December 17, 2025 • 59 mins
A stitched body, a sharpened mind, and a creator who won’t claim what he made. We dive into Guillermo del Toro’s Frankenstein on Netflix with fresh eyes and full hearts, exploring how the film restores Mary Shelley’s original genius while reshaping a century of monster-movie expectations. From the icebound framing device to the creature’s own testimony, the story gives the “monster” his voice back—and with it, a moral authority that turns the tables on Victor.
We talk about the texture of creation: the unsettling, hyper-real gore that makes every cut feel consequential, and the cinematography tricks that make key encounters float with eerie grace. Oscar Isaac’s Victor is magnetic and cold, driven by ambition he can’t control, while Jacob Elordi’s creature evolves from bewildered newborn to eloquent judge, his slender, powerful frame reading as reassembled personhood instead of prop. Mia Goth’s Elizabeth cuts through the gloom with presence that grounds the stakes. We also trace Del Toro’s love of cinema history, from the inclusion of an Igor archetype to the blend of gothic realism that separates his style from the baroque and the camp.
The heart of the episode is the ethics: What do we owe what we create? If the creature is functionally immortal, does denying him a companion become the cruelest act? We follow the thread of generational harm—from Victor’s father to Victor himself—and the way indifference breeds monstrosity more reliably than lightning ever could. It’s not a perfect film; the pacing stretches in places. But the ideas, performances, and design make this a rare adaptation that feels both faithful and new.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to episode 144 of Project
Geekology.
Today we have, I don't know ifit's gonna be a fun show, but
it's gonna be it's gonna be uhliterary and auditory and
visionary and uh monstrous.
I'm just thinking of adjectivesat this point to describe the
(00:21):
topic at hand.
Uh we are covering the 2025Netflix film uh by Guillermo del
Toro Frankenstein, based on theMarichelle book that started a
whole genre.
And we're very, very excited todiscuss uh I think this is the
first no, it's not the firstmonster film that we've covered
(00:43):
on the channel.
We've we've done a coupleGodzilla's and we've done the
mummy in the past, but this isthe first time we're doing
anything any anywhere nearFrankenstein related, so I'm
very excited.
But uh my name is Dakota.
I'm joined as always withVictor.
That's Victor.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Um Anthony, and uh joining us as always is Victor.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
No, it doesn't work the second time.
SPEAKER_03 (01:11):
Oh, I didn't understand the bit.
All right, guys.
No, it's Rich.
Um happy to be here uhresurrecting uh our show after
uh a brief respite of uh acouple days off.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, we we took an extra day to record this
one just because we we you know,as Anthony wanted to uh you
know, he wanted to let thismarinate.
Uh not only just with us, butwith the listener, you know,
like the the the farther alongthat we are apart from one
another, the the juicier ourinteractions will become uh
(01:46):
between uh uh podcaster andlistener.
So uh yeah, we we we just wantedto allow the moment to marinate
into a a much better podcast.
And I think that that's what'sgonna happen.
I hope that's what's gonnahappen.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
You know, I I mean, and while we're there, I mean I
think that uh everyone shouldtake a second to to just drop us
uh a really juicy review uh thisweek, uh sponsored by Honest
Kids Juice Boxes.
Uh this uh we're unofficiallysponsored, uh, so we're not
getting any money, but honestly,just very delicious juice box.
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
It's five stars for us, just like this show is for
you.
Give us a five-star review,guys.
We are not sponsored by HonestKids Juice Boxes.
Um, please don't sue us.
Um Anthony, I'm gonna throw itover to you before we begin
anything.
What have you been up to thesepast couple days?
I feel like I haven't seen youin like a week.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
You know, it's actually been wait, what did we
did we record?
Yeah, yeah, it has been a week.
I I don't remember if we didWednesday or Thursday last week,
but honestly, man, I I've stillbeen like fighting this cold.
SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
I could kind of tell.
Like you you seem like you'reexcited to be here, but I could
see there's a res like you'rereserved in like how much you're
using your vocal cords at themoment.
I could see like you you'rescared to have a a coughing fit
or something.
SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, like be because like when when I talk
too much after a while, like youknow, the I I mean for those of
you that that have like a coldand like you've been coughing
all day, any like prolongedspeaking makes you like cough
even more.
So but I mean I I do want to behere to to to you know discuss
(03:33):
this because you know I I dolike doing the podcast and and
recording.
So I've kind of been um I'vebeen you know just recovering
from that, but also I went up touh Winter Haven for a day
because my my my job they uhthey had like you know like a
(03:54):
holiday thing and so theyinvited me up for the you know
for the event and I actually gotto meet some of my coworkers and
my supervisors for for the firsttime.
Like I haven't like I've thisjob is that I do is nothing but
remote, so everything has beenjust like you know, over the
(04:17):
computer, like video, you know,webcam.
So I got to like actually meetthem in person and they actually
uh covered for me to stay at ahotel the night and then I came
back down the next day.
But uh that was pretty fun.
It was cool to like be able tomeet some of these people for
the for the first time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
That's awesome.
Winterhaven, it sounds like uhyou know, like an area within
the DC universe very close toGotham.
It's like on the opposite sideof Bloodhaven, there's Gotham in
the middle, and then on theother side is Winterhaven, where
all the like rich people live,and it's always snowing for some
reason.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
Um yeah, there's like Legoland, I think, nearby
there.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Legolands are we have a Legoland out here.
Rich, have you gone to Legolandsout here?
SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
Yeah, we sta uh so I want to say like six years ago,
five years ago, uh shortly afterit opened or something.
We went there during like likeafter things were opening up
again for the pandemic.
Okay, so late 2020.
I think just one day, and thenwe went, then we actually
stayed, which is really cool.
Like they have like themed roomsand they have like puzzles for
(05:31):
the kids to unlock and thenthere's a safe.
I didn't know.
And they get like a little set.
It's pretty it's uh it's it'sactually the only thing that
wasn't cool was the fire alarmwent off in the middle of the
night.
But uh other than that, theyhave a pool.
It's uh it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
The fire alarm actually goes off whenever
someone steps on a Legobarefoot.
That wouldn't make sense.
That was just somebodyscreaming.
It masks the screams.
Um, Anthony.
Uh if if you can't make itthrough this podcast, um like if
you whatever, if you if you die,whatever.
I don't want to say it out loud.
(06:04):
Uh thankfully this movie has thekey to uh bringing you back, you
know?
It's it's all about tubes andsilver and certain acupuncture
spots.
We got you, bro.
We got your back.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
And uh, you know, Oscar Isaacs can uh bring me
back.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
Well, we don't have Oscar Isaac, but we have Rich.
My hair's kind of long, so Imean um cool, man.
Uh did you do anything else thisthis week?
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
Or yeah, yeah, no, not nothing too crazy.
Uh how about you, Dakota?
Let's uh throw it over to you.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
I've been playing a lot of uh Avatar Frontiers of
Pandora.
SPEAKER_02 (06:42):
Didn't they didn't they drop like a like an
expansion?
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Yeah, they dropped a huge bug.
It's I I wanna I want them to goback.
Take it back.
Just rework it, get all the bugsout.
Dude, I've I've never played agame that was working so well to
being in some ways unplayable.
Like, if I if I shoot the wrongthing, like if I shoot a tree
(07:10):
instead of an animal orsomething, the tree just goes
like totally black.
It just like falls off the map.
So it's just like a black shape.
Um if I shoot a rock, just goestotally black.
There's like areas on my mapthat I go to that like I haven't
been to in a couple days, andit's just like, you're still
black?
What what's happening?
Like what like it's fully black,it's not just like shaded, it's
(07:31):
it's just off the map.
And uh like I I've been breakingthe game left and right.
There are certain quests thatwould have normally opened and
started like totally fine, butlike I there's certain sections
of the game that I cannotprogress in certain quests
because they don't triggeranymore.
And it really it's uh like likethere's a there's a bunch of
(07:53):
like people are uh experiencingso many bugs, like some like
there's like debuffs that don'tever go away now.
Um there's yeah, I I don't wantto get too bugged down.
I'm still enjoying it, I'm stillmaking my way through it, I'm
still you know getting thecharacter stronger, but I can't
100% it anymore until they fixthis game.
(08:15):
So there's like uh a couplequests that I I just I literally
like I'm standing right next tothe the quest giver or the quest
item.
I have the quest item to deliverto the person, but I can't
trigger the quest.
So I just if I deliver the item,nothing happens.
I don't get any like checkbox oranything.
So it's it's really frustrating,and um I want them to take it
(08:38):
back.
Just so the DLC is like it'sit's a new game plus mode where
you get to have all of yourupgrades, all of your weapons,
um, and everything, and you canrestart the game at like your
peak level, and you can you canput it on a higher difficulty,
whatever.
But the issue with the new gameplus is that it doesn't
(08:59):
translate into any of the uh DLCcontent.
So there's like two separatestory mode content past the main
base game.
So new game plus only covers thethe main game, you can't play
past that point.
So it's it's just like why evendo this?
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Yeah, it's weird.
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
It's so bizarre, and I I'm I'm like actually kind of
pissed, but like the big dealnow is that there's a a a third
person mode instead of uh firstperson.
It's a first person shootergame.
Now there's a third person mode.
Um, it looks good.
I still prefer the first person,it wasn't worth it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
So yeah, I had seen that that they added a a third
person mode to it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:43):
Yeah, I'm I'm salty.
I know uh some people are likereally enjoying their time.
Um I'm not.
Yeah, uh otherwise, I've justbeen preparing for next week.
Next week's gonna be a big weekfor me.
Uh starting Tuesday, the secondaudiobook for the Harry Potter
(10:03):
Fullcast editions comes out onAudible.
And then Thursday, uh AvatarFire and Ash officially
releases.
I'll be seeing it.
And who knows, maybe I'll see itmore than once next week.
Maybe I already have tickets.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Well, we know you have tickets, but you have
second tickets already.
SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
Aren't you going to like like other boroughs or like
other parts of the state to gosee it?
Oh yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Yeah, first the first showing is in New
Rochelle.
Uh second showing is in Queens.
Third showing is in Danbury.
We're in Queens.
Um I don't remember.
Is it Queens?
No, I'm not in Queens.
I'm sorry, Staten Island.
I don't know why.
(10:53):
Uh my brother likes thattheater.
I I'm going to see it with mylittle brother and he on Friday,
and uh he he likes that theater,so I'm going there and probably
gonna spend the night becauseit's like it's a midnight
showing.
So yeah, for a three and a halfhour movie.
But um some pretty big trailersare supposed to drop ahead of
(11:14):
the movie.
Um, like they're being attachedto the movie, kind of like uh
the trailer for the Fire and Ashmovie was attached to Fantastic
Four.
So there's the teaser andortrailer for the Odyssey, uh
Christopher Nolan's upcomingmovie.
That's exciting.
Um Anthony, I know that sends ashiver through your spine.
(11:34):
Um that's probably because youhave a cold still.
Um, but I understand you'reyou're also deeply attached to
the Odyssey as as a concept.
SPEAKER_02 (11:43):
Well, I do I do like the the Odyssey.
I mean, I just I always likedthe stories within like Greek
mythology and stuff becausethey're always so zany, but um
the Odyssey is definitely crazy,you know, like this whole
10-year journey.
This man's just trying to gethome and just goes through all
(12:04):
this like craziness just to gethome.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Uh, there's also supposed to be a our first look
at the Avengers Doomsday teaserattached to the movie.
And what I'm most excited aboutis um there's a Spielberg movie
coming out.
We don't even know the name ofthe movie yet.
We just know that it's a m uhit's his first wholly original
(12:26):
blockbuster since he made E.T.
Um, so it's the first like uhoriginal Spielberg blockbuster
in over 40 years.
And it's some people think it'sgonna be called Disclosure.
Uh there was a billboard thatjust went up in Times Square
that uh is like very mysteriousand it's for the Spielberg
(12:48):
movie, but it doesn't reallyhave the name, it just says all
will be disclosed at this date.
So I'm very excited about thatteaser because apparently it's
it's uh it's also attached tothe movie.
So anyway, there's a there's alot going on next week.
I'm very excited.
I I don't really have a lotgoing on this week, so I'm I'm
I'm just like forward talking atthis point.
SPEAKER_02 (13:06):
But we did get a trailer for uh season two of
Avatar, The Last Hairbender.
I mean, I'm still I'm stillgonna watch it even though that
I I was pretty disappointed withthe first season.
SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
You were um I I think I I was mixed.
I I think I I enjoyed more thanI didn't, but it was a poor
substitute for the animatedseries all altogether.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah, I don't I don't think that they I don't I
don't think that the thatanybody's gonna be able to adapt
that animated series wellenough.
Yeah.
I don't know.
For for me it just it means alot.
Surprisingly though, I mean, youknow, I I am looking forward to
season two of uh One Piece, thelive action next year, so so the
(13:54):
the One Piece live action isinteresting because it's not an
adaptation of the anime, it's anadaptation of the manga.
SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
So there are subtle differences, and it's it steers
closer to the manga than it doesthe anime, but there's there's
always bleed through and youknow, in terms of like yeah,
anyway.
Yeah, I'm also very excitedabout One Piece.
I thought that was a fantasticseries, and it got me into the
One Piece series.
So that's that's gonna beexciting.
(14:23):
The the season two trailer forAvatar The Last Airbender live
action on Netflix does actuallylook really good.
Like it it it's a very goodteaser.
My issue is you can already seethat there are certain plot
lines that they are going awayfrom.
So if you like watch the trailerclosely, uh when they get to the
(14:43):
serpent's pass, right beforethey go into Basang Sei, at that
point in the animated series,Apa has already been stolen.
And it, you know, there'sthere's that couple episodes
where he is no longer in thepicture.
In this Netflix series, Appa isat the Serpent's Pass with them,
which means that he never getsstolen in the live action
(15:06):
series.
So that's a huge departure.
Unless they do it in differentorders or whatever, but anyway,
Toph looks cool.
Rich, my friend, how are you?
It's been a week.
Yeah.
It's been a week.
Let's go Mets.
SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
Uh yeah.
I won't dwell on it too long,but uh the Mets have kind of
dismantled uh the team and uh uhbasically gotten rid of or uh
declined to re-sign uh franchiseleader and home runs, uh
homegrown Met Pete Alonzo.
Uh I am not going to uh mincewords here.
(15:43):
I I cried a lot.
Um my son calmed me down.
It's uh it's tough, you know.
You you you spend I I spend aninordinate amount of time
thinking about these people,right?
Like if I'm not at the ballpark,I'm watching the games, you
know, uh tracking it.
So it's uh Yeah, it's it'stough.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
It's kind of a crazy trade, too.
Like, do you think the Mets havea game plan for next season?
SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Uh the no, I don't I look I obstentively they have
to, right?
All right, they have to.
Uh what that plan is that is yetto be revealed.
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_01 (16:22):
Do you believe that last year's buy of Juan Soto
factored into Pete Alonso notbeing taken on?
SPEAKER_03 (16:32):
I mean, really what it comes down to is they brought
in a uh a team president uh whooperates very differently and
has certain valuations oncertain players and positions,
and he doesn't budge.
Uh and uh he kind of takessentimentality out of it.
So uh look, he he he's was verycapable and did and did amazing
(16:53):
work in a small market.
So uh I'm hoping you know it'san early time.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
But uh I could see I could see this as bothering you.
Well uh have you done anythingelse this week?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
I'm gonna talk about something fun.
Uh I will say that I got veryexcited because Fallout 76 came
out with an update calledBurning Springs.
Uh it's one thing that one thingthat they've done is they've def
they've technically addeddifferent areas to the game.
They've added uh New Jersey,which is very mob laden.
Uh New Jersey.
It's so ridiculous.
You're on the Broadwalk andthere's like a game, yeah,
(17:23):
whatever.
Uh then they also added uh thepit, which was like Pittsburgh.
Uh the one thing that they'vethey haven't done, and this is
new, is they added this area,but they managed to add it to
the current map.
So basically, like to the leftside of the map, there was very
little.
Uh, and you basically couldn'tgo there, and now they've kind
(17:46):
of stretched it a little bit,and they've made that quote
unquote Ohio, and it's calledBurning Springs.
Uh, so it's it's pretty cool.
There's uh some new enemies orsome more recurring enemies.
It's pretty nuts, actually.
You'll have like two deathclaws, you'll just show up and
they got they've got this newthing called like a Uga, and
it's basically like a giant uhtortoise, like humongo just
(18:09):
humongous, and you'll see twodeath claws just like fighting
it, and and it's kicking theirbutts, you know.
And uh, you know, it gives youpause for a second, like should
I join this fight?
Uh, but it it's actually uhadded uh added like some uh uh
some new weapons, some newarmor.
Um I'm really digging it, I'mreally digging the new missions,
(18:30):
uh the new and it's just nicealso.
I was it really annoyed me whenthey were adding the other
things and you had to go andsupposedly like jump on like a
helicopter ride or vertebrateride and you know, alright, I'm
bringing you over, you know, andtell me when you want to go
back.
And it's like I hated that.
And you had to load the newarea.
This is just nice because you'rejust uh I can literally hop
(18:54):
over.
I can walk from you know myoriginal house in in the waste.
SPEAKER_01 (19:00):
That's crazy.
Uh 76 has been around for almosta decade at this point, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:05):
Yeah, I've been hating this game for uh I've
been uh yeah, for a very longtime.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
It's I'm surprised that they're still releasing new
new stuff.
Is it was it like a surprise DLCor do they have regular DLC on
this game?
SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
Uh they have they'll like announce a map.
Like they'll they'll likethey'll look not a map, I'm
sorry.
Uh they'll put out like atimeline of like certain
releases over the course of acertain number of months.
You know, they'll be like, overthe next five months, this will
be coming, you know.
I don't remember this beingannounced, but to be fair,
(19:39):
something gets announced orsomething starts, and I'll
generally go.
And I hate to say it, and I'mdoing it with this one.
I'll overplay it.
You know, I just likeexhausting.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
And then you get right through and then pick up
the next thing.
SPEAKER_03 (19:51):
You know, and then I'm like, oh, back to nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Back to Rance Dance Revolution 2.
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
My favorite Rance Dance.
Love that game.
Oh, they did and they didrelease a uh remaster of the Red
Dead.
So I downloaded that of Red DeadRedemption the original.
Okay.
So uh that's like a re it's acompletely uh yeah, re uh not
you know, like they they reallyupgraded it uh for the new
systems and uh I went I I I wentto play it.
(20:19):
Uh it looks really I mean itlooks fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
They need to do a remaster of uh Red Dead
Revolver.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
Ooh, well this one, you know, does have if you
download it, it has the red RedDead uh Redemption Undead
Nightmare uh DLC, which was I II would almost say that I
enjoyed that DLC more than Ienjoyed the original game
almost.
Like it I loved that DLC, thatthat that's that little game.
(20:50):
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (20:51):
It was literally like black up zombies, but with
buffer red dead.
SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
Dude, they had they had the zombie that would run at
you, right?
Like a zombie just running atyou on all fours.
I'd never seen anything likethat in any I don't think at
that moment in my life I hadseen anything like that.
I was like, Good god almightywhat's happening?
And Lauren was like, Are youfrightened?
And I'm like, I am yes,legitimately frightened right
(21:16):
now.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Like this is a little bit too much.
Alright.
So need to back up.
That's too much.
Um, Anthony, what are yourthoughts on 76?
Fallout 76.
I I don't think you've evermentioned whether or not, or you
probably did when we werecovering Fallout, but like, have
you heard anything about the DLCor like what are your thoughts
on the game as a whole?
SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
Uh I haven't played the DLC.
I mean, I've always thought thatthat like Fallout was you know,
it's a Fallout 76, like I had myfun with it, but like for me, it
it's it's tough for a game tolike hold my attention for a
long time now.
Um especially one like that,because like there's just you
(21:58):
know so much going on, whereaslike it's easier for me to play
a game like um like Overwatchbecause you just jump in, you
play a couple matches, and thenyou call it a day, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
There's not Right, there's no time investment,
yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:12):
Right, right, yeah.
I I used to really love openworld games, but I don't know,
man.
Sometimes it sometimes itbecomes a lot, especially like
you know, if you want to be ableto explore a lot, um sometimes
it it becomes a lot.
SPEAKER_03 (22:28):
So wait, you don't come home uh from a hard day of
work and log into 76 and goharvest your grain and corn and
and make some bourbon andwhiskey and then go to the store
and sell it.
No, definitely scavenge formore.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
It sounds like some like farm town stuff from like
back in the day on Facebook.
SPEAKER_03 (22:47):
Farmville?
It's the only it's the onlything that honestly has kept me
going with this game is like Ifeel what you're feeling because
I just there were literallytimes where the months at a time
where all I was doing was justlogging in to like do daily
chores and like collect like theyou know the the daily like
challenges.
That's the only I don't know ifyou've tried that, but one thing
(23:09):
that really changed the game forme was the challenges.
Uh wait, Rich.
You can just go like eat fourpumpkin.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Games that you've completed and haven't really
invested a lot of time in, saymonths and or years later, are
you still logging in regularlyto like do the like the daily
missions?
Is that what I'm hearing?
SPEAKER_03 (23:26):
If you're asking if I log into Red Dead Redemption,
just so I can chop woodsometimes and move the bales of
hay because it calms me, becauseI like completing menial tasks
and video games.
I love that so much.
Uh yes.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
Uh you're the the rich lore is is quite rich
today.
I I I have to admit.
Um, you know what lore is alsoquite rich.
Frankenstein.
I would say yes.
Uh the world that Mary Shelleycreated for Frankenstein uh was
so above anything else thatanyone was doing in her time
(24:03):
period, to the point where sheis credited as creating the
science fiction genre as awhole.
And you know, there werespeculative speculative fiction
at the time uh that existedprior to this work, but this was
the first one that tried topinpoint a logical system within
science to explain thespeculation, you know, and uh it
(24:28):
was so well thought out to adegree um that it has pretty
much shaped literally mostother, you know, speculative or
like fantasy and or sciencefiction moving forward.
Like the the the number oftropes that come from the
Frankenstein book is incredible.
Even like the the mad scientist,we wouldn't have we wouldn't
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have Doc Brown in uh Back to theFuture if it weren't for Victor
Frankenstein, you know, the thetrope of the mad scientist.
It's crazy that you know like uhand and that's kind of a weird
sentence.
SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
What?
It's a weird sentence, but it'strue.
Like, like hearing that sentencetogether, like, you know, as one
one whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
But even actually, it's it's actually kind of crazy
because if you think about it,back to the future is a story
about someone creating somethingthey shouldn't have, it gets
into the wrong hands, and theircreation kind of uh runs away
from them.
Uh, you know, like with with thewhole Biff Tannen thing, you
know, like going back andcreating an alternate 1985.
(25:35):
That was basically his uh thatwas uh Dr.
Emmett Brown's monster,basically.
SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
What year did what year did thisdid she publish the book?
SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Ooh, I want to say 1857.
Frank was just uh book.
SPEAKER_03 (25:54):
Wait a minute.
So are we saying that Doc Brownwas a very good idea?
1818, way, way earlier.
Oh, never mind.
Because if it was 1857, then wecould have implied that Doc
Brown actually was the was themaybe the inspiration for the
mad science.
She would have seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Shelly was uh Yeah.
She she wrote that in the summerin 1818.
Yeah, no, I I've I've alwaysloved this story, and I've
always been kind of annoyed atHollywood's depiction of the
story.
I thought you just went to EpicUniverse.
There's a uh I think it's calledMonsters Unchained, where there
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it's like a it's a it's a wholeexperience in the Dark Universe
section of Epic Universe thatdoes include Frankenstein, but
it's like it's the universalmonsters version of Frankenstein
where he's bumbling, you know,like it's very, very different
from the Mary Shelley uh createdcharacter.
(26:54):
And that that kind of alwaysbothered me.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
Oh so with that being said, when you stack up
that depiction, like you know,the the classic Hollywood
version against this versionthat we see in the movie, how
well does this version stack upto the to the original?
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
To the original in a number of ways, it's it's much
closer than any other adaptationof the st of the story than that
I've than I've ever experienced.
Obviously, I haven't watchedevery single Frankenstein movie
ever, um, or you know, watchedevery TV show if there was TV
shows or anything.
But as far as I'm concerned, thestory followed the same beats as
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the novel fairly closely.
There were changes.
Um some choices were were made.
Um I don't think he befriends anold man in the book, but the in
in the book it's more like hebefriends a family.
And anyway, that's a wholethat's a whole other thing that
we could talk about.
But the characterization of thecharacter um being this very
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eloquent creature who doesn'tknow his he doesn't know his
purpose or his creator'sintentions, and is you know
constantly trying to find Victorto either get him to create a
second.
Basically, he is Adam, butVictor is not allowing him to
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have an Eve, basically.
And that's that's a story ofFrankenstein, and that's why he
wants to kill Victor, basically.
SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Yeah, he wanted a a bride of Frankenstein, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
He did, he did definitely.
Um, but yeah, the the I wouldsay the characterization was was
very strong, and the look of thecharacter is pretty accurate.
He's a big boy.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
Yeah.
And like very, very much sopatchworked.
Like, I feel like he like helooks a lot more patchworked in
the way that you would thinksomebody that was pieced
together would look like, youknow?
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
Yeah.
I thought that depiction was Iyou know, I mean, I do love my
Herman Munster uh from theMunsters, but uh as the his take
on the kind of just father, youknow, suburban dad Frankenstein.
But this was um definitelydifferent than anything I've
ever seen.
Victor! I can't say I've s Idon't think I've seen I I I've
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seen Frankenstein depicted inthings.
I don't know if I've seenanother Frank, like I've never
seen like, you know, the BellaLagosi or anything like that.
Uh Frank.
I've seen like clips, you know,uh, but never Yeah, I see what
you're saying.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Like you've never like sat down to watch a
Frankenstein movie, but you arevery familiar with the character
and like the mannerisms of thatthat's why I was I was actually
uh like surprised here.
I mean, I I I'm sorry, I've seenyoung Frankenstein, but I don't
think that I mean that soundslike you know that might be a
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little no, it's not that no,it's a yeah, no.
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
No, that's too much.
It's too common.
So this uh a couple things thatreally took me uh by guard uh
took me like by surprise wereone I because I've only kind of
seen that one, and I I don't I Ithink I attempted to read the
book a couple of times, but Idon't think I ever really
invested enough time and effortinto it.
(30:22):
So I I you know I know the beatsof it, but I didn't the the the
regeneration, is that somethingthat they put into the movie or
like the his ability to likeconstantly heal his his
immortality essentially?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
As far as I can remember, Victor had a very hard
time killing him.
I don't remember if he wasfunctionally immortal, but he
kept coming back.
Like he was having a hard timedying.
So I think this is taking it tothe next level.
I I might be wrong here.
Uh I I either he is immortal inthe book or he's functionally
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immortal to the point where likehe's very hard to kill.
Because it's just basically he'salready dead, you know, he's
just re-animated.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Well, but I mean when he like tries to kill
himself with a dynamite, right?
Like he there are times whereit's regenerate.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
I don't remember if I don't remember the
regeneration aspect of it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
Because that I will say that that to me completely
changes how you understand themovie.
Because Victor's choice to notmake a white a bride of
Frankenstein, right?
That is based on like if youunderstand that he knows that
Frankenstein is immortal or thatthe monster is immortal, then
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not giving him someone to bewith is even crueler than if he
just was like, I don't simp Isimply don't want to create
another abomination.
SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
Anthony, what did you think of the the the take on
the character in terms of youcan't really get rid of this
guy?
So what do you do with him?
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Yeah, I I thought that was insane that I was like,
man, like nobody nobody can killthis guy.
Like he's literally trying tokill himself and he cannot he
can't die.
You know, and like you kind offeel for for his character, but
I I've always felt bad forFrankenstein.
(32:14):
Frankenstein is uh really justnot the monster of the story.
And in any iteration, he's neverbeen the monster, he's just been
misunderstood.
You know, he's just like somebeing that was created and
brought into this world by, likeyou said, a mad scientist who
pretty much like every almostevery single time treats him
(32:35):
like crap anyway.
Like, you know, it's just like,oh, I did this, you know, I've
I've accomplished this, I don'treally need you anymore, you
know.
And you know, FrankFrankenstein's monster is just
trying to figure figure out theworld, you know.
And I remember what in the bookhe he saves like a girl, right?
And um gets like shot by the dadbecause the dad's like, you
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know, what are you doing, youknow?
So so yeah, like I mean,Frankenstein's always been some
tragic character, and this justlike adds an element to that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
And and the the tragic character is a trope that
probably doesn't stem originallyfrom this story, but it became a
trope after Frankenstein.
You know, like you have just themisunderstood heroes or the the
creations of the the world orthe system that the you know
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that that's been beaten down,and uh Quasimoto is one.
I was gonna say that Quasimoto,Shrek, Iron Giant, uh Bastion
from uh Overwatch.
The the list goes on and on oflike characters who are
basically that archetypal.
I'm a good guy, even though I'min a monster's body.
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And it's it's uh it's it'simmediately you immediately
attach yourself to thischaracter because you understand
the disadvantage that they areplaced under, even though they
have physical attributes thatare potentially much stronger
than you know the averageperson.
You you feel bad for thembecause they can never be
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normal.
SPEAKER_02 (34:15):
You know what I really thought was interesting
was you know, it's almost everyother iteration that like we've
seen, or at least the ones thatI've seen, is that you know,
like and like you you mentionedis that he's always this kind of
dumb character, right?
That's kind of like uh but likereally hulking and gi ginormous.
(34:37):
Yeah, whereas like thisFrankenstein's monster is
slender but still very strong.
SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
I think that's the one thing that I don't remember
off the top of my head.
I when I was reading the book inthe past, I don't remember
feeling like he was a slenderfigure.
Of course, people back then werethinner in general, um, they
weren't hugely muscular, but Iremember him being a muscular
figure and tall.
(35:06):
He is just tall in this movie.
SPEAKER_02 (35:09):
So more like athletic kind of he has a
definite athletic build, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:15):
Um I I think Jacob Alordi, who portrays
Frankenstein's monster, did apretty decent job, actually.
Like it took me a while to getinto the character because I
have seen Jacob Alordi do abunch of other things.
You know, he was um he's one ofthe main characters in Euphoria.
(35:37):
So like seeing like a partyanimal go from that to Victor
Frankenstein.
He was he also played, I thinkhe played Elvis in a Sofia
Coppola movie, uh Priscilla.
Yeah.
Um yeah, he's he's he's been ina couple big things, and he's a
fantastic actor.
But it's uh it's something thatlike I wasn't expecting, and it
(35:58):
it wasn't until like maybehalfway through that I'm like,
yeah, this is this guy'sFrankenstein.
But it took me a while.
I I will admit, it wasn't like aperfect match for me uh going
into it.
What did you guys think of thecharacter or the actor for
playing it?
SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
My only issue I I I honestly thought like he was
really good.
Yeah, you know.
Uh I don't know, I didn'trecognize him from anything
else.
I'm not sure if that's justbecause they did a good job with
the makeuping or but I don'trecall who you're talking about
in the other example, so I may Imay very well just not know the
actor that well.
Uh, which always, as I've kindof stated before, for me always,
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always helps, unless it's GaryOldman, because he can play any
role.
Even um even even a dwarf,apparently, in a movie, but
we'll talk about that in anotherepisode.
Uh, one the only thing I didn'tlike was how eloquent he becomes
after spending time with the oldman.
I just it it it feels like oneof those like 80 like workout uh
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montages where suddenly theperson like knows exactly how to
do it.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
Like it's so eloquent that it's just a little
in the book, in the book he'staught to read by uh a young
girl, not a young girl, but likea young woman.
So they it's a little bit of achange, but he does go through
several I think it shows himgoing through several books in
the in like the personal libraryof that guy, right?
(37:18):
Yeah.
So he does that's basic and inin the Frankenstein novel, he's
a very eloquent figure by theend of it, even though he
couldn't speak when VictorFrankenstein was around.
I think we keep calling himFrankenstein, but he's
technically Frankenstein'smonster.
Yeah, he doesn't really have aname, but it's so it's so
ingrained in our culture thatthis is Frankenstein, you know?
Yeah, uh so we're gonna continuemessing that up on purpose.
SPEAKER_03 (37:41):
You know what it is, is as an English teacher, right?
And somebody who's taughtstudents who've come from other
countries and haven't andEnglish is not their first
language, right?
And having worked with some ofthese kids for literally like
four years, okay, and seenlanguage acquisition skills like
in action, okay.
I'm like, come on, guys, there'sno way he would pass that.
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He would not pass the nicest latexam.
Like he's only an emerginglearner at this point.
So I I think it's just myteacher hat that's just like, my
dude, do you know how long youneed to study to be that
eloquent?
You know, uh, so I I I thinkthat's the only thing, and like
that's the tiniest of gripes forme.
(38:26):
Uh other than that, I honestlyfelt I felt like his roaring at
the end was even more powerfulknowing how eloquent he was.
Oh, because they those becamemore more like sorrowful cries,
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's it's such aninteresting movie.
And the the cast is stacked.
So, you know, we only talkedabout Jacob Alordi, but we got
Charles Dance in the beginning,Tywin Lannister.
Oh, yeah.
He he plays Victor's father.
We have uh Mia Goth playing uhElizabeth, and of course Oscar
Isaac is Victor Frankenstein.
(39:05):
He's probably the most notablename in the movie.
He's probably I don't know if wefollow uh Elordi more than
Oscar, but they kind of havesimilar amounts of screen time.
Um and I I really like Do youthink they missed go ahead?
SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
Do you think they missed a like Anthony?
Do you think they missed a bigopportunity to have Oscar Isaacs
say somehow Frankensteinreturned?
Like I don't I don't I'm sofrustrated that I feel like they
had it on the table, man.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Anthony's shaking his head in disgust at that,
like the Rise of Skywalker pun.
Somehow Palpatine returned.
Yeah.
Um Christopher Waltz orChristoph Waltz is in it, uh
David Bradley.
It's a stocked cast.
SPEAKER_02 (39:48):
Like they they have actually I'm I'm glad that you
bring that up.
What do you think about theiriteration, their version of Igor
in this movie?
Oh because these technicallyTechnically Igor.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
Yeah, yeah.
His name is actually Igor.
I don't remember.
I don't remember an Igor in thebook.
I think that might be I'm gonnalook that up really quick.
SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
Something that was added in Hollywood.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
And the crazy thing is, is that like there's there's
different versions of Igor, butlike in the earlier days, at
least in Hollywood, they makehim like this quasi-modo kind of
character.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Yeah, so so Igor is not a character in Mary
Shelley's book.
So that whole character arc wascompletely added to the film.
And I think that that's okay.
So uh, you know, this is I loveGuillermo del Toro.
He's he's a fan of cinema firstand foremost.
Like everything he does is, youknow, him just adding another
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layer onto the history ofcinema.
And that's I think that's how heviews this movie.
Is this his adaptation ofFrankenstein, not only through
Mary Shelley's lens, but alsotaking stuff that he has enjoyed
uh visually from the thearchetypes of you know these
characters from the past.
Uh yeah, it's totally different.
SPEAKER_02 (41:16):
He has a style that you know it's him.
SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
Yeah.
I don't know that this is thisisn't my favorite of his movies,
but his movies are are the areinteresting because like you
watch them and you know you'rewatching something really good,
but it's like I have to let thisone sit with me, and I have to
think about it for a whilebefore I really know like if I
like it or if I uh if this isgonna be you know like in a
(41:41):
constant rotation.
The only one that I don't thinkever like I had any question
with was Pan's Labyrinth.
I think that for me is his uhgolden goose.
I he he did such a good job withthat one, and it's so bizarre
and perfect, and it's like ait's a it's its own, like almost
Alice in Wonderland type tale.
Uh but yeah, no, uh Guillermo'sfantastic.
(42:02):
He did Shape of Water, which oneuh Best Picture doesn't it uh
like what six years ago or so.
But yeah, Anthony, you he has astyle.
He he has a very uh gothicstyle.
It's it's not necessarily likegothic in the sense of Tim
Burton, it's a m it's a morerealism uh gothic that he he
(42:24):
likes to employ.
SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
Right, right.
I feel like where he kind of hecan kind of get close to um Tim
Burtony a little bit is uh waslike Hellboy um and Blade 2.
SPEAKER_01 (42:40):
Did he direct Blade 2?
SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
I did not and it feels so much so like when when
you go in and watching thatmovie with the lens that he did
that movie, you feel you'llyou'll think like, yeah, he
definitely made this movie.
SPEAKER_01 (42:53):
Yeah.
He did so good with the Hellboymovies.
Um I have to rewatch Blade 2now.
Now that's that's kind ofexciting.
Yeah, I I love this guy.
He's so good.
Did he do the first Pacific Rim?
I forget.
I need to I have to re-up myknowledge on Guillermo.
Clearly, Guillermo movies.
Yeah, he did Pacific Rim.
SPEAKER_02 (43:14):
Uh yeah, that one was a good one.
That yeah, now that I thinkabout it, uh it does feel very
much so like one of his movies,especially like when when you
start getting to the uh likewhen you start seeing all of the
uh the like kaiju body parts.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
He loves that like he's like one of the biggest
Gundam fans in the world.
Like he he's he loves the Gundamfranchise, so like he loves uh
Kaiju and Mecha outfits andyeah, so that was totally
totally him.
Yeah, back to back toFrankenstein.
We gotta we gotta reel ourselvesback in.
Um Mia Goth did uh absolutelyfantastic as Elizabeth.
(43:55):
Um, whenever she's on thescreen, she's like super, she's
just like has like an enchantinglook to her that you just it
your eyes always gravitatetowards her.
And that was cool.
Apparently, what they did uh inthe filming of this, according
to Guillermo del Toro, theyfilmed the scenes with her and
(44:16):
the the monster at a higherframe rate so that they could
slow it down without flick uhlike frames clipping, and it
wasn't like an incredibly highframe rate.
So most films are are filmed at24 frames frames per second.
I think they filmed these atlike 30 or 35 frames per second,
so that when they slowed themdown, it would just be almost
(44:36):
like floaty visuals, you know.
Like it looked really it itmakes those scenes pop a little
bit better.
But yeah.
What did we think of Oscar Isaacas Victor Frankenstein?
Oh, we got two thumbs up fromAnthony over here.
SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
This guy did a really good job.
Like, I mean he killed it.
He did, he did a really goodjob.
Like, you know, by the by theend, you know, like you you were
really like you know, like youbecame you disdained him, like
you're like, no, this guy islike this guy is a jerk, man.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Yeah, he's the worst.
He's trying to steal hisbrother's girl.
SPEAKER_02 (45:16):
Um just tossing away this like person that he made,
like try to burn him, blow him.
SPEAKER_01 (45:22):
Yeah, it's so bizarre.
It's it's like the it's hard towatch, and I think that's why
this is one of the movies that Idon't know that it's gonna be in
heavy rotation for me.
I will watch it occasionally,but it's hard to watch because
you you see so much passion andand uh you see so much passion
go into the creation of theFrankenstein's monster, but he
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doesn't think of what comesnext.
Once he has a person, once hedoes what he needs to do, he
basically realizes what have Idone and immediately regrets it,
and just can't get rid of thisguy.
And it's it's so bizarre, it'sso bizarre, and I I feel so bad
(46:06):
for the the monster throughoutthis whole thing, but I mean,
come on, you gotta feel bad foruh Victor a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
He he he decides to try to go back in the house, and
oh man, what a way to break aleg.
Uh that was so awful that whenhe blew back and like his leg
got caught on that pillar.
SPEAKER_01 (46:27):
Yeah, he went back to save him, right?
Yeah, like he had like a momentof clarity right before getting
his leg blown off, and that waslike super gory.
Like that that looks so real.
SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
Yeah, I won't lie.
Like uh I'm I can uh you know Ican watch mo I can watch I have
a good stomach for stuff, but uhwhen he like that montagey part
where he's like cutting thebodies.
Oh, that was hard.
That was hard to watch becauseit looks so real.
When when I can't say like yousay hard to watch, I say it
(47:02):
started and I went, I know, andI watched it two times and both
times I said I I can't I cannotlook at it.
So uh kudos because you know ifthere's any like I can watch
Walking Dead, right?
Because like I don't know, yousee the zombie trying to eat
someone and it and I'm likethat's fake, right?
(47:23):
But when his knife just goesinto I was like, oh that looks
very real, and I can't be herefor this.
Like there's no my brain cannotexplain away that that's not you
know yeah, actual flesh andbone.
SPEAKER_01 (47:38):
I hope it's not actual flesh and bone.
Maybe they got actual cadaversfor this.
I doubt it, I highly doubt it,but yeah, that'd be crazy.
Um that would be absolutelyinsane.
Um, Anthony, what are yourthoughts on some of the uh the
gorier bits?
SPEAKER_02 (47:52):
I mean, that part didn't really bother me too
much.
Like, I think for me, I was justsaying like you know you know I
don't I I don't know, like likethat part didn't bother me.
I did like, I mean, when when hedid get blown up, I was kind of
like I was like, ooh man, that Iwas like, I guess that's how he
(48:13):
got his prosthetic, because thatthing got blown.
Like, I mean that leg wascovered.
Yeah.
What about I like the how theylike told the story where it was
um you know Victor Frankensteinkind of telling him, you know,
telling the uh the captain ofthat ship um that was stuck in
(48:35):
the ice, you know, kind of likewhat's going on and like what
this creature is that's likefollowing him, and then like the
monster ends up showing up andand then like tells his
perspective.
I I really like that they didsomething like that, and um, you
know, kind of like what happenedto the monster after he escaped
from the you know the thebuilding from being blown up.
SPEAKER_01 (49:00):
And so that's actually um a narrative trick
that they took from the book.
Oh that's how that's a narrativechoice that is is very
structural to the book.
You're he you're seeing Victor'spoint of view up until the like
the monster catches up to him,basically, and then the
monster's like, oh, he's tellinghis tale.
(49:21):
Now let me tell mine.
Yeah.
That that is absolutely like Idon't know if it's word for
word, bar for bar from the book,but it it's that structure is
built into the the originalstory, which I really liked.
And even even like the thescenes on the boat, it like
nearing I I think they're goingto Antarctica at that point,
(49:42):
that is part of the the story inthe in the book.
So like Victor's going as far aspossible to get away from this
creature, and he's incapable ofit.
And it reminds me of this likeimagine there was uh you you
could you could have as muchmoney in the world, or let's
(50:04):
let's just you could have abillion dollars.
Would you take a billion dollarsif you knew there was an
immortal snail that wasconstantly, no matter what or
where you are in this world, itis constantly slowly making its
way towards you, but you didn'tknow where it was.
(50:25):
And it's it's kind of that con Imean it's kind of a poor
comparison, but like you don'tknow where Frankenstein's
monster is at any given point,but he's gonna find you, boy.
He's gonna find you.
And and basically, like, the theconcept with the snail is like
as soon as the snail finds you,you're dead.
Like, like it's it's done.
(50:45):
Like this the snail has thepower and the will to take you
down.
You just he just has to catchyou first, and he's immortal.
SPEAKER_02 (50:52):
So what do what did you all think about the
reconciliation at the end, youknow?
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
I like that.
Yeah, I yeah, yeah, I it'sbecause it's kind of like
creator and creation coming toterms with each other, uh
realizing the the the faults ofeach other.
Obviously, he can't create arace of Frankenstein's, that
would be the worst thing in theworld, because if they are
immortal, then this is gonna bea big problem.
(51:20):
Basically, they're it's a raceof undead people, you know?
It's a great story.
It's and it it's it's no wonderthat this spurred on so much.
And Mary Shelley was very youngwhen she wrote this.
I mean, I'm not gonna look thatup.
SPEAKER_02 (51:34):
That's really cool.
Well, I mean, I guess like with18 years old.
SPEAKER_01 (51:40):
She was 18 years old when she created the science
fiction genre.
SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (51:45):
Crazy.
In 1818, in uh in a summer, itwas like I think there was some
volcano that had erupted um justbefore summer of 1818.
So the the whole world was kindof like shrouded in darkness,
maybe not the whole world, butat least the hemisphere that she
(52:05):
was in.
Like it was a very dark summer,there was no sunlight that
summer.
So she was inside writing awayabout like this gothic uh story
that she had come up with, andyeah, just knocked it out of the
park.
This is it's such a coolconcept.
SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
Yeah, that um Mount Tambora was the the eruption,
and it was like the year withoutsummer.
SPEAKER_01 (52:27):
That's it.
Yeah, and she wrote in thesummer, yeah.
Boyos, any last thoughts onFrankenstein?
Rich, I'm gonna send it over toyou.
I know uh you you thought thatthe gore was a little bit much,
but how was the story overall?
SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
I liked it, I really did.
I uh I thought it was a littlebit on the long side for me.
I understand, especially with adual narrative, that you know,
that can happen, but I I didlike that the dual narrative
wasn't like too repetitive.
Like I didn't want to see toomuch of the same steps, you
know, and I thought that theydid uh I did uh Little Toro did
(53:05):
a really great job of uh kind ofnavigating that.
But it it did feel a little longfor me for a little bit.
It is supposed to be dark, so Ican't really comment to that.
Like that's the kind of thestyle overall of it, you know.
Uh so that it but I thought theacting was really well done.
Uh Oscar Isaacs, uh you know,I've seen him in a lot of
different things.
(53:26):
And um I'm putting them I'm I'malmost putting him on um not
quite.
He's not Gary Oldman like level.
He's not up, he's not all theway there.
Okay.
He's not all the way there.
But I think he's I think he'sgot a really good ability to
sell me that he's other people.
You know, like this felt likeVictor Frankenstein.
I didn't feel any oh I see whatyou're saying.
SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
Not not that he is um on the level of acting as
Gary Oldman, but like for you,how you uh see actors that you
recognize from other things andyou have a hard time like
removing them from that thosethings.
Um yeah, I see what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
Like I saw Bradley Cooper in the hangover, and then
I watched the A-Team, and I waslike, I put it on as a joke
because we had watched all threehangover movies like three
nights in a row, and then I puton the A-Team, and my what and
my wife's like, Why'd you dothat?
I'm like, it's Bradley Cooper.
I'm like, you liked him in theother movies, he's the same guy.
I'm like, that's all he is.
He's just like, hey, it's me.
I don't know.
(54:24):
Yeah, I'm Bradley Cooper.
That's where I see him a lot.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you know, he's like, hey,look, I got cool hair.
Look at me.
SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
Hey, hey, I mean, you know, he does a solid job as
uh Rocket.
SPEAKER_01 (54:33):
He does a solid job as Rocket.
SPEAKER_02 (54:35):
But so but Rocket is just a mini.
SPEAKER_03 (54:38):
The guy from Hangover as a as a as a raccoon
who was just like you know whatI'm saying?
Like he's yeah, he does playthat role.
He's just as wise, cracky, andyou know, but then at the at the
end of the day, he's got a heartof gold, despite his his glossy
veneer, you know, his hisveneer.
I don't know.
He's even the same in in the Ateam.
He's you know, he he's like a heseems like a womanizer and he's
(55:00):
all overconfident, but he'sreally a sensitive guy under it
all.
SPEAKER_01 (55:04):
Oh, there's a couple things that I wanted to bring up
before we close.
How did Victor get that muchgasoline?
Bro had it was like a he hadlike an infinite, you know, like
in video games like in in thepast, like you could just have
like infinite items, uh, andlike it was a glitch that you
could get.
He had infinite cans of oil.
(55:26):
I don't know how he did that.
Where where was he getting itfrom?
Like that that must have been soexpensive.
SPEAKER_02 (55:31):
It was an infinite glitch.
SPEAKER_01 (55:33):
It was an infinite glitch that he he had, but uh
the the point that I actuallywant to break is um I really
like the parallel of CharlesDance's character, Victor's
father, being unable to lovehim, and in turn Victor was
unable to love his creation.
SPEAKER_03 (55:54):
Yeah, well that's that that's uh yeah it's
parenthood very much uh in someways.
Uh as much as you say you're notgoing to be your father like
your parents, you know, like I'mI I'm like this weird mix of
like my grumpy my grand my myvery grumpy grandfather who
(56:14):
raised me and my father who's avery soft spoken man.
So I can fly off the handle, butthen all right, let's let's sit
down and talk.
You know, it's it's this weirdmix, and and when I watched
Victor do that, I was like,yeah, I mean you you learn to
parent from your parents, uh,unfortunately.
And you know, most of us, luckyenough, have enough time with
(56:36):
our kids that you catchyourself.
You're like, Did I just do that?
and and you s you kind ofcorrect, you know, but
unfortunately, uh Victor didn'tcorrect until the end, until it
was too late, and too bad hecouldn't raise himself.
SPEAKER_01 (56:48):
Damn.
SPEAKER_03 (56:49):
Too bad that, you know, somehow Dr.
Frankenstein couldn't return.
SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
Anthony, you have any last thoughts on
Frankenstein or scenes youwanted to bring up?
SPEAKER_02 (56:57):
Oh, I I did like the ending how uh was the
Frankenstein's monster was likenice enough to like push the
guys out of the ice.
SPEAKER_01 (57:07):
Yeah, dude, he he had extreme broko.
SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
Dude, he almost tipped that ship over.
SPEAKER_01 (57:13):
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (57:13):
He's powerful, he's got that super strong, my I
mean, like it's just it's it'scrazy.
But I mean, overall, I I Ienjoyed it.
I do agree in a sense that itdid feel maybe a little bit on
the longer side.
But overall I did enjoy it.
SPEAKER_01 (57:32):
Very good.
Yeah, I I also I also uh I youknow I love I love long films, I
love just getting lost inmovies, but I do agree that I
maybe checked the the timeremaining uh a couple times
throughout throughout thismovie.
Uh uh not that I wasn't enjoyingit, I just it was just like,
(57:54):
where is this going?
You know?
It was one of those.
But ultimately, I think thatthis is a solid adaptation.
It's not trying to be so closeto the book that it's a
one-for-one.
It's clearly a kind of like alove child of the book, some
aspects of the films that he uhthat Guillermo likes, and just
(58:17):
Guillermo putting more andinjecting more into the story to
make it his own.
And I think that that was areally cool choice, uh, a
narrative choice.
And I yeah, the cast was great,the the movie was beautiful, and
um I would absolutely watch thisagain.
SPEAKER_02 (58:32):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (58:32):
Guys, thank you so much for listening to us here
for our 144th episode of ProjectGeekology.
You've you've just been ProjectGeek Colleged.
No, that sounds weird.
Um, but if you want to check outany of our socials, please be
sure to check down into the shownotes.
Uh you can find uh anything elsethat we've been up to over
there.
(58:53):
You can check our our personalsocials out.
Um and yeah, guys, stay juicy,my friends.
SPEAKER_02 (58:59):
Peace out.
Hello and welcome to episode 144 of Project
Geekology.
Today we have, I don't know ifit's gonna be a fun show, but
it's gonna be it's gonna be uhliterary and auditory and
visionary and uh monstrous.
I'm just thinking of adjectivesat this point to describe the
(00:21):
topic at hand.
Uh we are covering the 2025Netflix film uh by Guillermo del
Toro Frankenstein, based on theMarichelle book that started a
whole genre.
And we're very, very excited todiscuss uh I think this is the
first no, it's not the firstmonster film that we've covered
(00:43):
on the channel.
We've we've done a coupleGodzilla's and we've done the
mummy in the past, but this isthe first time we're doing
anything any anywhere nearFrankenstein related, so I'm
very excited.
But uh my name is Dakota.
I'm joined as always withVictor.
That's Victor.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Um Anthony, and uh joining us as always is Victor.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
No, it doesn't work the second time.
SPEAKER_03 (01:11):
Oh, I didn't understand the bit.
All right, guys.
No, it's Rich.
Um happy to be here uhresurrecting uh our show after
uh a brief respite of uh acouple days off.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, we we took an extra day to record this
one just because we we you know,as Anthony wanted to uh you
know, he wanted to let thismarinate.
Uh not only just with us, butwith the listener, you know,
like the the the farther alongthat we are apart from one
another, the the juicier ourinteractions will become uh
(01:46):
between uh uh podcaster andlistener.
So uh yeah, we we we just wantedto allow the moment to marinate
into a a much better podcast.
And I think that that's what'sgonna happen.
I hope that's what's gonnahappen.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
You know, I I mean, and while we're there, I mean I
think that uh everyone shouldtake a second to to just drop us
uh a really juicy review uh thisweek, uh sponsored by Honest
Kids Juice Boxes.
Uh this uh we're unofficiallysponsored, uh, so we're not
getting any money, but honestly,just very delicious juice box.
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
It's five stars for us, just like this show is for
you.
Give us a five-star review,guys.
We are not sponsored by HonestKids Juice Boxes.
Um, please don't sue us.
Um Anthony, I'm gonna throw itover to you before we begin
anything.
What have you been up to thesepast couple days?
I feel like I haven't seen youin like a week.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
You know, it's actually been wait, what did we
did we record?
Yeah, yeah, it has been a week.
I I don't remember if we didWednesday or Thursday last week,
but honestly, man, I I've stillbeen like fighting this cold.
SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
I could kind of tell.
Like you you seem like you'reexcited to be here, but I could
see there's a res like you'rereserved in like how much you're
using your vocal cords at themoment.
I could see like you you'rescared to have a a coughing fit
or something.
SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, like be because like when when I talk
too much after a while, like youknow, the I I mean for those of
you that that have like a coldand like you've been coughing
all day, any like prolongedspeaking makes you like cough
even more.
So but I mean I I do want to behere to to to you know discuss
(03:33):
this because you know I I dolike doing the podcast and and
recording.
So I've kind of been um I'vebeen you know just recovering
from that, but also I went up touh Winter Haven for a day
because my my my job they uhthey had like you know like a
(03:54):
holiday thing and so theyinvited me up for the you know
for the event and I actually gotto meet some of my coworkers and
my supervisors for for the firsttime.
Like I haven't like I've thisjob is that I do is nothing but
remote, so everything has beenjust like you know, over the
(04:17):
computer, like video, you know,webcam.
So I got to like actually meetthem in person and they actually
uh covered for me to stay at ahotel the night and then I came
back down the next day.
But uh that was pretty fun.
It was cool to like be able tomeet some of these people for
the for the first time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
That's awesome.
Winterhaven, it sounds like uhyou know, like an area within
the DC universe very close toGotham.
It's like on the opposite sideof Bloodhaven, there's Gotham in
the middle, and then on theother side is Winterhaven, where
all the like rich people live,and it's always snowing for some
reason.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
Um yeah, there's like Legoland, I think, nearby
there.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Legolands are we have a Legoland out here.
Rich, have you gone to Legolandsout here?
SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
Yeah, we sta uh so I want to say like six years ago,
five years ago, uh shortly afterit opened or something.
We went there during like likeafter things were opening up
again for the pandemic.
Okay, so late 2020.
I think just one day, and thenwe went, then we actually
stayed, which is really cool.
Like they have like themed roomsand they have like puzzles for
(05:31):
the kids to unlock and thenthere's a safe.
I didn't know.
And they get like a little set.
It's pretty it's uh it's it'sactually the only thing that
wasn't cool was the fire alarmwent off in the middle of the
night.
But uh other than that, theyhave a pool.
It's uh it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
The fire alarm actually goes off whenever
someone steps on a Legobarefoot.
That wouldn't make sense.
That was just somebodyscreaming.
It masks the screams.
Um, Anthony.
Uh if if you can't make itthrough this podcast, um like if
you whatever, if you if you die,whatever.
I don't want to say it out loud.
(06:04):
Uh thankfully this movie has thekey to uh bringing you back, you
know?
It's it's all about tubes andsilver and certain acupuncture
spots.
We got you, bro.
We got your back.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
And uh, you know, Oscar Isaacs can uh bring me
back.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
Well, we don't have Oscar Isaac, but we have Rich.
My hair's kind of long, so Imean um cool, man.
Uh did you do anything else thisthis week?
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
Or yeah, yeah, no, not nothing too crazy.
Uh how about you, Dakota?
Let's uh throw it over to you.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
I've been playing a lot of uh Avatar Frontiers of
Pandora.
SPEAKER_02 (06:42):
Didn't they didn't they drop like a like an
expansion?
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Yeah, they dropped a huge bug.
It's I I wanna I want them to goback.
Take it back.
Just rework it, get all the bugsout.
Dude, I've I've never played agame that was working so well to
being in some ways unplayable.
Like, if I if I shoot the wrongthing, like if I shoot a tree
(07:10):
instead of an animal orsomething, the tree just goes
like totally black.
It just like falls off the map.
So it's just like a black shape.
Um if I shoot a rock, just goestotally black.
There's like areas on my mapthat I go to that like I haven't
been to in a couple days, andit's just like, you're still
black?
What what's happening?
Like what like it's fully black,it's not just like shaded, it's
(07:31):
it's just off the map.
And uh like I I've been breakingthe game left and right.
There are certain quests thatwould have normally opened and
started like totally fine, butlike I there's certain sections
of the game that I cannotprogress in certain quests
because they don't triggeranymore.
And it really it's uh like likethere's a there's a bunch of
(07:53):
like people are uh experiencingso many bugs, like some like
there's like debuffs that don'tever go away now.
Um there's yeah, I I don't wantto get too bugged down.
I'm still enjoying it, I'm stillmaking my way through it, I'm
still you know getting thecharacter stronger, but I can't
100% it anymore until they fixthis game.
(08:15):
So there's like uh a couplequests that I I just I literally
like I'm standing right next tothe the quest giver or the quest
item.
I have the quest item to deliverto the person, but I can't
trigger the quest.
So I just if I deliver the item,nothing happens.
I don't get any like checkbox oranything.
So it's it's really frustrating,and um I want them to take it
(08:38):
back.
Just so the DLC is like it'sit's a new game plus mode where
you get to have all of yourupgrades, all of your weapons,
um, and everything, and you canrestart the game at like your
peak level, and you can you canput it on a higher difficulty,
whatever.
But the issue with the new gameplus is that it doesn't
(08:59):
translate into any of the uh DLCcontent.
So there's like two separatestory mode content past the main
base game.
So new game plus only covers thethe main game, you can't play
past that point.
So it's it's just like why evendo this?
SPEAKER_02 (09:19):
Yeah, it's weird.
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
It's so bizarre, and I I'm I'm like actually kind of
pissed, but like the big dealnow is that there's a a a third
person mode instead of uh firstperson.
It's a first person shootergame.
Now there's a third person mode.
Um, it looks good.
I still prefer the first person,it wasn't worth it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
So yeah, I had seen that that they added a a third
person mode to it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:43):
Yeah, I'm I'm salty.
I know uh some people are likereally enjoying their time.
Um I'm not.
Yeah, uh otherwise, I've justbeen preparing for next week.
Next week's gonna be a big weekfor me.
Uh starting Tuesday, the secondaudiobook for the Harry Potter
(10:03):
Fullcast editions comes out onAudible.
And then Thursday, uh AvatarFire and Ash officially
releases.
I'll be seeing it.
And who knows, maybe I'll see itmore than once next week.
Maybe I already have tickets.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Well, we know you have tickets, but you have
second tickets already.
SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
Aren't you going to like like other boroughs or like
other parts of the state to gosee it?
Oh yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Yeah, first the first showing is in New
Rochelle.
Uh second showing is in Queens.
Third showing is in Danbury.
We're in Queens.
Um I don't remember.
Is it Queens?
No, I'm not in Queens.
I'm sorry, Staten Island.
I don't know why.
(10:53):
Uh my brother likes thattheater.
I I'm going to see it with mylittle brother and he on Friday,
and uh he he likes that theater,so I'm going there and probably
gonna spend the night becauseit's like it's a midnight
showing.
So yeah, for a three and a halfhour movie.
But um some pretty big trailersare supposed to drop ahead of
(11:14):
the movie.
Um, like they're being attachedto the movie, kind of like uh
the trailer for the Fire and Ashmovie was attached to Fantastic
Four.
So there's the teaser andortrailer for the Odyssey, uh
Christopher Nolan's upcomingmovie.
That's exciting.
Um Anthony, I know that sends ashiver through your spine.
(11:34):
Um that's probably because youhave a cold still.
Um, but I understand you'reyou're also deeply attached to
the Odyssey as as a concept.
SPEAKER_02 (11:43):
Well, I do I do like the the Odyssey.
I mean, I just I always likedthe stories within like Greek
mythology and stuff becausethey're always so zany, but um
the Odyssey is definitely crazy,you know, like this whole
10-year journey.
This man's just trying to gethome and just goes through all
(12:04):
this like craziness just to gethome.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Uh, there's also supposed to be a our first look
at the Avengers Doomsday teaserattached to the movie.
And what I'm most excited aboutis um there's a Spielberg movie
coming out.
We don't even know the name ofthe movie yet.
We just know that it's a m uhit's his first wholly original
(12:26):
blockbuster since he made E.T.
Um, so it's the first like uhoriginal Spielberg blockbuster
in over 40 years.
And it's some people think it'sgonna be called Disclosure.
Uh there was a billboard thatjust went up in Times Square
that uh is like very mysteriousand it's for the Spielberg
(12:48):
movie, but it doesn't reallyhave the name, it just says all
will be disclosed at this date.
So I'm very excited about thatteaser because apparently it's
it's uh it's also attached tothe movie.
So anyway, there's a there's alot going on next week.
I'm very excited.
I I don't really have a lotgoing on this week, so I'm I'm
I'm just like forward talking atthis point.
SPEAKER_02 (13:06):
But we did get a trailer for uh season two of
Avatar, The Last Hairbender.
I mean, I'm still I'm stillgonna watch it even though that
I I was pretty disappointed withthe first season.
SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
You were um I I think I I was mixed.
I I think I I enjoyed more thanI didn't, but it was a poor
substitute for the animatedseries all altogether.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
Yeah, I don't I don't think that they I don't I
don't think that the thatanybody's gonna be able to adapt
that animated series wellenough.
Yeah.
I don't know.
For for me it just it means alot.
Surprisingly though, I mean, youknow, I I am looking forward to
season two of uh One Piece, thelive action next year, so so the
(13:54):
the One Piece live action isinteresting because it's not an
adaptation of the anime, it's anadaptation of the manga.
SPEAKER_01 (14:02):
So there are subtle differences, and it's it steers
closer to the manga than it doesthe anime, but there's there's
always bleed through and youknow, in terms of like yeah,
anyway.
Yeah, I'm also very excitedabout One Piece.
I thought that was a fantasticseries, and it got me into the
One Piece series.
So that's that's gonna beexciting.
(14:23):
The the season two trailer forAvatar The Last Airbender live
action on Netflix does actuallylook really good.
Like it it it's a very goodteaser.
My issue is you can already seethat there are certain plot
lines that they are going awayfrom.
So if you like watch the trailerclosely, uh when they get to the
(14:43):
serpent's pass, right beforethey go into Basang Sei, at that
point in the animated series,Apa has already been stolen.
And it, you know, there'sthere's that couple episodes
where he is no longer in thepicture.
In this Netflix series, Appa isat the Serpent's Pass with them,
which means that he never getsstolen in the live action
(15:06):
series.
So that's a huge departure.
Unless they do it in differentorders or whatever, but anyway,
Toph looks cool.
Rich, my friend, how are you?
It's been a week.
Yeah.
It's been a week.
Let's go Mets.
SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
Uh yeah.
I won't dwell on it too long,but uh the Mets have kind of
dismantled uh the team and uh uhbasically gotten rid of or uh
declined to re-sign uh franchiseleader and home runs, uh
homegrown Met Pete Alonzo.
Uh I am not going to uh mincewords here.
(15:43):
I I cried a lot.
Um my son calmed me down.
It's uh it's tough, you know.
You you you spend I I spend aninordinate amount of time
thinking about these people,right?
Like if I'm not at the ballpark,I'm watching the games, you
know, uh tracking it.
So it's uh Yeah, it's it'stough.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
It's kind of a crazy trade, too.
Like, do you think the Mets havea game plan for next season?
SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Uh the no, I don't I look I obstentively they have
to, right?
All right, they have to.
Uh what that plan is that is yetto be revealed.
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_01 (16:22):
Do you believe that last year's buy of Juan Soto
factored into Pete Alonso notbeing taken on?
SPEAKER_03 (16:32):
I mean, really what it comes down to is they brought
in a uh a team president uh whooperates very differently and
has certain valuations oncertain players and positions,
and he doesn't budge.
Uh and uh he kind of takessentimentality out of it.
So uh look, he he he's was verycapable and did and did amazing
(16:53):
work in a small market.
So uh I'm hoping you know it'san early time.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
But uh I could see I could see this as bothering you.
Well uh have you done anythingelse this week?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
I'm gonna talk about something fun.
Uh I will say that I got veryexcited because Fallout 76 came
out with an update calledBurning Springs.
Uh it's one thing that one thingthat they've done is they've def
they've technically addeddifferent areas to the game.
They've added uh New Jersey,which is very mob laden.
Uh New Jersey.
It's so ridiculous.
You're on the Broadwalk andthere's like a game, yeah,
(17:23):
whatever.
Uh then they also added uh thepit, which was like Pittsburgh.
Uh the one thing that they'vethey haven't done, and this is
new, is they added this area,but they managed to add it to
the current map.
So basically, like to the leftside of the map, there was very
little.
Uh, and you basically couldn'tgo there, and now they've kind
(17:46):
of stretched it a little bit,and they've made that quote
unquote Ohio, and it's calledBurning Springs.
Uh, so it's it's pretty cool.
There's uh some new enemies orsome more recurring enemies.
It's pretty nuts, actually.
You'll have like two deathclaws, you'll just show up and
they got they've got this newthing called like a Uga, and
it's basically like a giant uhtortoise, like humongo just
(18:09):
humongous, and you'll see twodeath claws just like fighting
it, and and it's kicking theirbutts, you know.
And uh, you know, it gives youpause for a second, like should
I join this fight?
Uh, but it it's actually uhadded uh added like some uh uh
some new weapons, some newarmor.
Um I'm really digging it, I'mreally digging the new missions,
(18:30):
uh the new and it's just nicealso.
I was it really annoyed me whenthey were adding the other
things and you had to go andsupposedly like jump on like a
helicopter ride or vertebrateride and you know, alright, I'm
bringing you over, you know, andtell me when you want to go
back.
And it's like I hated that.
And you had to load the newarea.
This is just nice because you'rejust uh I can literally hop
(18:54):
over.
I can walk from you know myoriginal house in in the waste.
SPEAKER_01 (19:00):
That's crazy.
Uh 76 has been around for almosta decade at this point, right?
SPEAKER_03 (19:05):
Yeah, I've been hating this game for uh I've
been uh yeah, for a very longtime.
SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
It's I'm surprised that they're still releasing new
new stuff.
Is it was it like a surprise DLCor do they have regular DLC on
this game?
SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
Uh they have they'll like announce a map.
Like they'll they'll likethey'll look not a map, I'm
sorry.
Uh they'll put out like atimeline of like certain
releases over the course of acertain number of months.
You know, they'll be like, overthe next five months, this will
be coming, you know.
I don't remember this beingannounced, but to be fair,
(19:39):
something gets announced orsomething starts, and I'll
generally go.
And I hate to say it, and I'mdoing it with this one.
I'll overplay it.
You know, I just likeexhausting.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
And then you get right through and then pick up
the next thing.
SPEAKER_03 (19:51):
You know, and then I'm like, oh, back to nothing.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Back to Rance Dance Revolution 2.
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
My favorite Rance Dance.
Love that game.
Oh, they did and they didrelease a uh remaster of the Red
Dead.
So I downloaded that of Red DeadRedemption the original.
Okay.
So uh that's like a re it's acompletely uh yeah, re uh not
you know, like they they reallyupgraded it uh for the new
systems and uh I went I I I wentto play it.
(20:19):
Uh it looks really I mean itlooks fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
They need to do a remaster of uh Red Dead
Revolver.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
Ooh, well this one, you know, does have if you
download it, it has the red RedDead uh Redemption Undead
Nightmare uh DLC, which was I II would almost say that I
enjoyed that DLC more than Ienjoyed the original game
almost.
Like it I loved that DLC, thatthat that's that little game.
(20:50):
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (20:51):
It was literally like black up zombies, but with
buffer red dead.
SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
Dude, they had they had the zombie that would run at
you, right?
Like a zombie just running atyou on all fours.
I'd never seen anything likethat in any I don't think at
that moment in my life I hadseen anything like that.
I was like, Good god almightywhat's happening?
And Lauren was like, Are youfrightened?
And I'm like, I am yes,legitimately frightened right
(21:16):
now.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Like this is a little bit too much.
Alright.
So need to back up.
That's too much.
Um, Anthony, what are yourthoughts on 76?
Fallout 76.
I I don't think you've evermentioned whether or not, or you
probably did when we werecovering Fallout, but like, have
you heard anything about the DLCor like what are your thoughts
on the game as a whole?
SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
Uh I haven't played the DLC.
I mean, I've always thought thatthat like Fallout was you know,
it's a Fallout 76, like I had myfun with it, but like for me, it
it's it's tough for a game tolike hold my attention for a
long time now.
Um especially one like that,because like there's just you
(21:58):
know so much going on, whereaslike it's easier for me to play
a game like um like Overwatchbecause you just jump in, you
play a couple matches, and thenyou call it a day, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
There's not Right, there's no time investment,
yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:12):
Right, right, yeah.
I I used to really love openworld games, but I don't know,
man.
Sometimes it sometimes itbecomes a lot, especially like
you know, if you want to be ableto explore a lot, um sometimes
it it becomes a lot.
SPEAKER_03 (22:28):
So wait, you don't come home uh from a hard day of
work and log into 76 and goharvest your grain and corn and
and make some bourbon andwhiskey and then go to the store
and sell it.
No, definitely scavenge formore.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
It sounds like some like farm town stuff from like
back in the day on Facebook.
SPEAKER_03 (22:47):
Farmville?
It's the only it's the onlything that honestly has kept me
going with this game is like Ifeel what you're feeling because
I just there were literallytimes where the months at a time
where all I was doing was justlogging in to like do daily
chores and like collect like theyou know the the daily like
challenges.
That's the only I don't know ifyou've tried that, but one thing
(23:09):
that really changed the game forme was the challenges.
Uh wait, Rich.
You can just go like eat fourpumpkin.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Games that you've completed and haven't really
invested a lot of time in, saymonths and or years later, are
you still logging in regularlyto like do the like the daily
missions?
Is that what I'm hearing?
SPEAKER_03 (23:26):
If you're asking if I log into Red Dead Redemption,
just so I can chop woodsometimes and move the bales of
hay because it calms me, becauseI like completing menial tasks
and video games.
I love that so much.
Uh yes.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
Uh you're the the rich lore is is quite rich
today.
I I I have to admit.
Um, you know what lore is alsoquite rich.
Frankenstein.
I would say yes.
Uh the world that Mary Shelleycreated for Frankenstein uh was
so above anything else thatanyone was doing in her time
(24:03):
period, to the point where sheis credited as creating the
science fiction genre as awhole.
And you know, there werespeculative speculative fiction
at the time uh that existedprior to this work, but this was
the first one that tried topinpoint a logical system within
science to explain thespeculation, you know, and uh it
(24:28):
was so well thought out to adegree um that it has pretty
much shaped literally mostother, you know, speculative or
like fantasy and or sciencefiction moving forward.
Like the the the number oftropes that come from the
Frankenstein book is incredible.
Even like the the mad scientist,we wouldn't have we wouldn't
(24:51):
have Doc Brown in uh Back to theFuture if it weren't for Victor
Frankenstein, you know, the thetrope of the mad scientist.
It's crazy that you know like uhand and that's kind of a weird
sentence.
SPEAKER_03 (25:05):
What?
It's a weird sentence, but it'strue.
Like, like hearing that sentencetogether, like, you know, as one
one whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
But even actually, it's it's actually kind of crazy
because if you think about it,back to the future is a story
about someone creating somethingthey shouldn't have, it gets
into the wrong hands, and theircreation kind of uh runs away
from them.
Uh, you know, like with with thewhole Biff Tannen thing, you
know, like going back andcreating an alternate 1985.
(25:35):
That was basically his uh thatwas uh Dr.
Emmett Brown's monster,basically.
SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
What year did what year did thisdid she publish the book?
SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Ooh, I want to say 1857.
Frank was just uh book.
SPEAKER_03 (25:54):
Wait a minute.
So are we saying that Doc Brownwas a very good idea?
1818, way, way earlier.
Oh, never mind.
Because if it was 1857, then wecould have implied that Doc
Brown actually was the was themaybe the inspiration for the
mad science.
She would have seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Shelly was uh Yeah.
She she wrote that in the summerin 1818.
Yeah, no, I I've I've alwaysloved this story, and I've
always been kind of annoyed atHollywood's depiction of the
story.
I thought you just went to EpicUniverse.
There's a uh I think it's calledMonsters Unchained, where there
(26:33):
it's like a it's a it's a wholeexperience in the Dark Universe
section of Epic Universe thatdoes include Frankenstein, but
it's like it's the universalmonsters version of Frankenstein
where he's bumbling, you know,like it's very, very different
from the Mary Shelley uh createdcharacter.
(26:54):
And that that kind of alwaysbothered me.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
Oh so with that being said, when you stack up
that depiction, like you know,the the classic Hollywood
version against this versionthat we see in the movie, how
well does this version stack upto the to the original?
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
To the original in a number of ways, it's it's much
closer than any other adaptationof the st of the story than that
I've than I've ever experienced.
Obviously, I haven't watchedevery single Frankenstein movie
ever, um, or you know, watchedevery TV show if there was TV
shows or anything.
But as far as I'm concerned, thestory followed the same beats as
(27:37):
the novel fairly closely.
There were changes.
Um some choices were were made.
Um I don't think he befriends anold man in the book, but the in
in the book it's more like hebefriends a family.
And anyway, that's a wholethat's a whole other thing that
we could talk about.
But the characterization of thecharacter um being this very
(28:01):
eloquent creature who doesn'tknow his he doesn't know his
purpose or his creator'sintentions, and is you know
constantly trying to find Victorto either get him to create a
second.
Basically, he is Adam, butVictor is not allowing him to
(28:21):
have an Eve, basically.
And that's that's a story ofFrankenstein, and that's why he
wants to kill Victor, basically.
SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Yeah, he wanted a a bride of Frankenstein, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
He did, he did definitely.
Um, but yeah, the the I wouldsay the characterization was was
very strong, and the look of thecharacter is pretty accurate.
He's a big boy.
SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
Yeah.
And like very, very much sopatchworked.
Like, I feel like he like helooks a lot more patchworked in
the way that you would thinksomebody that was pieced
together would look like, youknow?
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
Yeah.
I thought that depiction was Iyou know, I mean, I do love my
Herman Munster uh from theMunsters, but uh as the his take
on the kind of just father, youknow, suburban dad Frankenstein.
But this was um definitelydifferent than anything I've
ever seen.
Victor! I can't say I've s Idon't think I've seen I I I've
(29:20):
seen Frankenstein depicted inthings.
I don't know if I've seenanother Frank, like I've never
seen like, you know, the BellaLagosi or anything like that.
Uh Frank.
I've seen like clips, you know,uh, but never Yeah, I see what
you're saying.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Like you've never like sat down to watch a
Frankenstein movie, but you arevery familiar with the character
and like the mannerisms of thatthat's why I was I was actually
uh like surprised here.
I mean, I I I'm sorry, I've seenyoung Frankenstein, but I don't
think that I mean that soundslike you know that might be a
(29:56):
little no, it's not that no,it's a yeah, no.
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
No, that's too much.
It's too common.
So this uh a couple things thatreally took me uh by guard uh
took me like by surprise wereone I because I've only kind of
seen that one, and I I don't I Ithink I attempted to read the
book a couple of times, but Idon't think I ever really
invested enough time and effortinto it.
(30:22):
So I I you know I know the beatsof it, but I didn't the the the
regeneration, is that somethingthat they put into the movie or
like the his ability to likeconstantly heal his his
immortality essentially?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
As far as I can remember, Victor had a very hard
time killing him.
I don't remember if he wasfunctionally immortal, but he
kept coming back.
Like he was having a hard timedying.
So I think this is taking it tothe next level.
I I might be wrong here.
Uh I I either he is immortal inthe book or he's functionally
(30:58):
immortal to the point where likehe's very hard to kill.
Because it's just basically he'salready dead, you know, he's
just re-animated.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Well, but I mean when he like tries to kill
himself with a dynamite, right?
Like he there are times whereit's regenerate.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
I don't remember if I don't remember the
regeneration aspect of it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
Because that I will say that that to me completely
changes how you understand themovie.
Because Victor's choice to notmake a white a bride of
Frankenstein, right?
That is based on like if youunderstand that he knows that
Frankenstein is immortal or thatthe monster is immortal, then
(31:37):
not giving him someone to bewith is even crueler than if he
just was like, I don't simp Isimply don't want to create
another abomination.
SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
Anthony, what did you think of the the the take on
the character in terms of youcan't really get rid of this
guy?
So what do you do with him?
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Yeah, I I thought that was insane that I was like,
man, like nobody nobody can killthis guy.
Like he's literally trying tokill himself and he cannot he
can't die.
You know, and like you kind offeel for for his character, but
I I've always felt bad forFrankenstein.
(32:14):
Frankenstein is uh really justnot the monster of the story.
And in any iteration, he's neverbeen the monster, he's just been
misunderstood.
You know, he's just like somebeing that was created and
brought into this world by, likeyou said, a mad scientist who
pretty much like every almostevery single time treats him
(32:35):
like crap anyway.
Like, you know, it's just like,oh, I did this, you know, I've
I've accomplished this, I don'treally need you anymore, you
know.
And you know, FrankFrankenstein's monster is just
trying to figure figure out theworld, you know.
And I remember what in the bookhe he saves like a girl, right?
And um gets like shot by the dadbecause the dad's like, you
(32:58):
know, what are you doing, youknow?
So so yeah, like I mean,Frankenstein's always been some
tragic character, and this justlike adds an element to that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
And and the the tragic character is a trope that
probably doesn't stem originallyfrom this story, but it became a
trope after Frankenstein.
You know, like you have just themisunderstood heroes or the the
creations of the the world orthe system that the you know
(33:32):
that that's been beaten down,and uh Quasimoto is one.
I was gonna say that Quasimoto,Shrek, Iron Giant, uh Bastion
from uh Overwatch.
The the list goes on and on oflike characters who are
basically that archetypal.
I'm a good guy, even though I'min a monster's body.
(33:54):
And it's it's uh it's it'simmediately you immediately
attach yourself to thischaracter because you understand
the disadvantage that they areplaced under, even though they
have physical attributes thatare potentially much stronger
than you know the averageperson.
You you feel bad for thembecause they can never be
(34:15):
normal.
SPEAKER_02 (34:15):
You know what I really thought was interesting
was you know, it's almost everyother iteration that like we've
seen, or at least the ones thatI've seen, is that you know,
like and like you you mentionedis that he's always this kind of
dumb character, right?
That's kind of like uh but likereally hulking and gi ginormous.
(34:37):
Yeah, whereas like thisFrankenstein's monster is
slender but still very strong.
SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
I think that's the one thing that I don't remember
off the top of my head.
I when I was reading the book inthe past, I don't remember
feeling like he was a slenderfigure.
Of course, people back then werethinner in general, um, they
weren't hugely muscular, but Iremember him being a muscular
figure and tall.
(35:06):
He is just tall in this movie.
SPEAKER_02 (35:09):
So more like athletic kind of he has a
definite athletic build, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:15):
Um I I think Jacob Alordi, who portrays
Frankenstein's monster, did apretty decent job, actually.
Like it took me a while to getinto the character because I
have seen Jacob Alordi do abunch of other things.
You know, he was um he's one ofthe main characters in Euphoria.
(35:37):
So like seeing like a partyanimal go from that to Victor
Frankenstein.
He was he also played, I thinkhe played Elvis in a Sofia
Coppola movie, uh Priscilla.
Yeah.
Um yeah, he's he's he's been ina couple big things, and he's a
fantastic actor.
But it's uh it's something thatlike I wasn't expecting, and it
(35:58):
it wasn't until like maybehalfway through that I'm like,
yeah, this is this guy'sFrankenstein.
But it took me a while.
I I will admit, it wasn't like aperfect match for me uh going
into it.
What did you guys think of thecharacter or the actor for
playing it?
SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
My only issue I I I honestly thought like he was
really good.
Yeah, you know.
Uh I don't know, I didn'trecognize him from anything
else.
I'm not sure if that's justbecause they did a good job with
the makeuping or but I don'trecall who you're talking about
in the other example, so I may Imay very well just not know the
actor that well.
Uh, which always, as I've kindof stated before, for me always,
(36:32):
always helps, unless it's GaryOldman, because he can play any
role.
Even um even even a dwarf,apparently, in a movie, but
we'll talk about that in anotherepisode.
Uh, one the only thing I didn'tlike was how eloquent he becomes
after spending time with the oldman.
I just it it it feels like oneof those like 80 like workout uh
(36:53):
montages where suddenly theperson like knows exactly how to
do it.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
Like it's so eloquent that it's just a little
in the book, in the book he'staught to read by uh a young
girl, not a young girl, but likea young woman.
So they it's a little bit of achange, but he does go through
several I think it shows himgoing through several books in
the in like the personal libraryof that guy, right?
(37:18):
Yeah.
So he does that's basic and inin the Frankenstein novel, he's
a very eloquent figure by theend of it, even though he
couldn't speak when VictorFrankenstein was around.
I think we keep calling himFrankenstein, but he's
technically Frankenstein'smonster.
Yeah, he doesn't really have aname, but it's so it's so
ingrained in our culture thatthis is Frankenstein, you know?
Yeah, uh so we're gonna continuemessing that up on purpose.
SPEAKER_03 (37:41):
You know what it is, is as an English teacher, right?
And somebody who's taughtstudents who've come from other
countries and haven't andEnglish is not their first
language, right?
And having worked with some ofthese kids for literally like
four years, okay, and seenlanguage acquisition skills like
in action, okay.
I'm like, come on, guys, there'sno way he would pass that.
(38:05):
He would not pass the nicest latexam.
Like he's only an emerginglearner at this point.
So I I think it's just myteacher hat that's just like, my
dude, do you know how long youneed to study to be that
eloquent?
You know, uh, so I I I thinkthat's the only thing, and like
that's the tiniest of gripes forme.
(38:26):
Uh other than that, I honestlyfelt I felt like his roaring at
the end was even more powerfulknowing how eloquent he was.
Oh, because they those becamemore more like sorrowful cries,
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's it's such aninteresting movie.
And the the cast is stacked.
So, you know, we only talkedabout Jacob Alordi, but we got
Charles Dance in the beginning,Tywin Lannister.
Oh, yeah.
He he plays Victor's father.
We have uh Mia Goth playing uhElizabeth, and of course Oscar
Isaac is Victor Frankenstein.
(39:05):
He's probably the most notablename in the movie.
He's probably I don't know if wefollow uh Elordi more than
Oscar, but they kind of havesimilar amounts of screen time.
Um and I I really like Do youthink they missed go ahead?
SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
Do you think they missed a like Anthony?
Do you think they missed a bigopportunity to have Oscar Isaacs
say somehow Frankensteinreturned?
Like I don't I don't I'm sofrustrated that I feel like they
had it on the table, man.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Anthony's shaking his head in disgust at that,
like the Rise of Skywalker pun.
Somehow Palpatine returned.
Yeah.
Um Christopher Waltz orChristoph Waltz is in it, uh
David Bradley.
It's a stocked cast.
SPEAKER_02 (39:48):
Like they they have actually I'm I'm glad that you
bring that up.
What do you think about theiriteration, their version of Igor
in this movie?
Oh because these technicallyTechnically Igor.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
Yeah, yeah.
His name is actually Igor.
I don't remember.
I don't remember an Igor in thebook.
I think that might be I'm gonnalook that up really quick.
SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
Something that was added in Hollywood.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
And the crazy thing is, is that like there's there's
different versions of Igor, butlike in the earlier days, at
least in Hollywood, they makehim like this quasi-modo kind of
character.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Yeah, so so Igor is not a character in Mary
Shelley's book.
So that whole character arc wascompletely added to the film.
And I think that that's okay.
So uh, you know, this is I loveGuillermo del Toro.
He's he's a fan of cinema firstand foremost.
Like everything he does is, youknow, him just adding another
(40:53):
layer onto the history ofcinema.
And that's I think that's how heviews this movie.
Is this his adaptation ofFrankenstein, not only through
Mary Shelley's lens, but alsotaking stuff that he has enjoyed
uh visually from the thearchetypes of you know these
characters from the past.
Uh yeah, it's totally different.
SPEAKER_02 (41:16):
He has a style that you know it's him.
SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
Yeah.
I don't know that this is thisisn't my favorite of his movies,
but his movies are are the areinteresting because like you
watch them and you know you'rewatching something really good,
but it's like I have to let thisone sit with me, and I have to
think about it for a whilebefore I really know like if I
like it or if I uh if this isgonna be you know like in a
(41:41):
constant rotation.
The only one that I don't thinkever like I had any question
with was Pan's Labyrinth.
I think that for me is his uhgolden goose.
I he he did such a good job withthat one, and it's so bizarre
and perfect, and it's like ait's a it's its own, like almost
Alice in Wonderland type tale.
Uh but yeah, no, uh Guillermo'sfantastic.
(42:02):
He did Shape of Water, which oneuh Best Picture doesn't it uh
like what six years ago or so.
But yeah, Anthony, you he has astyle.
He he has a very uh gothicstyle.
It's it's not necessarily likegothic in the sense of Tim
Burton, it's a m it's a morerealism uh gothic that he he
(42:24):
likes to employ.
SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
Right, right.
I feel like where he kind of hecan kind of get close to um Tim
Burtony a little bit is uh waslike Hellboy um and Blade 2.
SPEAKER_01 (42:40):
Did he direct Blade 2?
SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
I did not and it feels so much so like when when
you go in and watching thatmovie with the lens that he did
that movie, you feel you'llyou'll think like, yeah, he
definitely made this movie.
SPEAKER_01 (42:53):
Yeah.
He did so good with the Hellboymovies.
Um I have to rewatch Blade 2now.
Now that's that's kind ofexciting.
Yeah, I I love this guy.
He's so good.
Did he do the first Pacific Rim?
I forget.
I need to I have to re-up myknowledge on Guillermo.
Clearly, Guillermo movies.
Yeah, he did Pacific Rim.
SPEAKER_02 (43:14):
Uh yeah, that one was a good one.
That yeah, now that I thinkabout it, uh it does feel very
much so like one of his movies,especially like when when you
start getting to the uh likewhen you start seeing all of the
uh the like kaiju body parts.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
He loves that like he's like one of the biggest
Gundam fans in the world.
Like he he's he loves the Gundamfranchise, so like he loves uh
Kaiju and Mecha outfits andyeah, so that was totally
totally him.
Yeah, back to back toFrankenstein.
We gotta we gotta reel ourselvesback in.
Um Mia Goth did uh absolutelyfantastic as Elizabeth.
(43:55):
Um, whenever she's on thescreen, she's like super, she's
just like has like an enchantinglook to her that you just it
your eyes always gravitatetowards her.
And that was cool.
Apparently, what they did uh inthe filming of this, according
to Guillermo del Toro, theyfilmed the scenes with her and
(44:16):
the the monster at a higherframe rate so that they could
slow it down without flick uhlike frames clipping, and it
wasn't like an incredibly highframe rate.
So most films are are filmed at24 frames frames per second.
I think they filmed these atlike 30 or 35 frames per second,
so that when they slowed themdown, it would just be almost
(44:36):
like floaty visuals, you know.
Like it looked really it itmakes those scenes pop a little
bit better.
But yeah.
What did we think of Oscar Isaacas Victor Frankenstein?
Oh, we got two thumbs up fromAnthony over here.
SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
This guy did a really good job.
Like, I mean he killed it.
He did, he did a really goodjob.
Like, you know, by the by theend, you know, like you you were
really like you know, like youbecame you disdained him, like
you're like, no, this guy islike this guy is a jerk, man.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Yeah, he's the worst.
He's trying to steal hisbrother's girl.
SPEAKER_02 (45:16):
Um just tossing away this like person that he made,
like try to burn him, blow him.
SPEAKER_01 (45:22):
Yeah, it's so bizarre.
It's it's like the it's hard towatch, and I think that's why
this is one of the movies that Idon't know that it's gonna be in
heavy rotation for me.
I will watch it occasionally,but it's hard to watch because
you you see so much passion andand uh you see so much passion
go into the creation of theFrankenstein's monster, but he
(45:46):
doesn't think of what comesnext.
Once he has a person, once hedoes what he needs to do, he
basically realizes what have Idone and immediately regrets it,
and just can't get rid of thisguy.
And it's it's so bizarre, it'sso bizarre, and I I feel so bad
(46:06):
for the the monster throughoutthis whole thing, but I mean,
come on, you gotta feel bad foruh Victor a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
He he he decides to try to go back in the house, and
oh man, what a way to break aleg.
Uh that was so awful that whenhe blew back and like his leg
got caught on that pillar.
SPEAKER_01 (46:27):
Yeah, he went back to save him, right?
Yeah, like he had like a momentof clarity right before getting
his leg blown off, and that waslike super gory.
Like that that looks so real.
SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
Yeah, I won't lie.
Like uh I'm I can uh you know Ican watch mo I can watch I have
a good stomach for stuff, but uhwhen he like that montagey part
where he's like cutting thebodies.
Oh, that was hard.
That was hard to watch becauseit looks so real.
When when I can't say like yousay hard to watch, I say it
(47:02):
started and I went, I know, andI watched it two times and both
times I said I I can't I cannotlook at it.
So uh kudos because you know ifthere's any like I can watch
Walking Dead, right?
Because like I don't know, yousee the zombie trying to eat
someone and it and I'm likethat's fake, right?
(47:23):
But when his knife just goesinto I was like, oh that looks
very real, and I can't be herefor this.
Like there's no my brain cannotexplain away that that's not you
know yeah, actual flesh andbone.
SPEAKER_01 (47:38):
I hope it's not actual flesh and bone.
Maybe they got actual cadaversfor this.
I doubt it, I highly doubt it,but yeah, that'd be crazy.
Um that would be absolutelyinsane.
Um, Anthony, what are yourthoughts on some of the uh the
gorier bits?
SPEAKER_02 (47:52):
I mean, that part didn't really bother me too
much.
Like, I think for me, I was justsaying like you know you know I
don't I I don't know, like likethat part didn't bother me.
I did like, I mean, when when hedid get blown up, I was kind of
like I was like, ooh man, that Iwas like, I guess that's how he
(48:13):
got his prosthetic, because thatthing got blown.
Like, I mean that leg wascovered.
Yeah.
What about I like the how theylike told the story where it was
um you know Victor Frankensteinkind of telling him, you know,
telling the uh the captain ofthat ship um that was stuck in
(48:35):
the ice, you know, kind of likewhat's going on and like what
this creature is that's likefollowing him, and then like the
monster ends up showing up andand then like tells his
perspective.
I I really like that they didsomething like that, and um, you
know, kind of like what happenedto the monster after he escaped
from the you know the thebuilding from being blown up.
SPEAKER_01 (49:00):
And so that's actually um a narrative trick
that they took from the book.
Oh that's how that's a narrativechoice that is is very
structural to the book.
You're he you're seeing Victor'spoint of view up until the like
the monster catches up to him,basically, and then the
monster's like, oh, he's tellinghis tale.
(49:21):
Now let me tell mine.
Yeah.
That that is absolutely like Idon't know if it's word for
word, bar for bar from the book,but it it's that structure is
built into the the originalstory, which I really liked.
And even even like the thescenes on the boat, it like
nearing I I think they're goingto Antarctica at that point,
(49:42):
that is part of the the story inthe in the book.
So like Victor's going as far aspossible to get away from this
creature, and he's incapable ofit.
And it reminds me of this likeimagine there was uh you you
could you could have as muchmoney in the world, or let's
(50:04):
let's just you could have abillion dollars.
Would you take a billion dollarsif you knew there was an
immortal snail that wasconstantly, no matter what or
where you are in this world, itis constantly slowly making its
way towards you, but you didn'tknow where it was.
(50:25):
And it's it's kind of that con Imean it's kind of a poor
comparison, but like you don'tknow where Frankenstein's
monster is at any given point,but he's gonna find you, boy.
He's gonna find you.
And and basically, like, the theconcept with the snail is like
as soon as the snail finds you,you're dead.
Like, like it's it's done.
(50:45):
Like this the snail has thepower and the will to take you
down.
You just he just has to catchyou first, and he's immortal.
SPEAKER_02 (50:52):
So what do what did you all think about the
reconciliation at the end, youknow?
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
I like that.
Yeah, I yeah, yeah, I it'sbecause it's kind of like
creator and creation coming toterms with each other, uh
realizing the the the faults ofeach other.
Obviously, he can't create arace of Frankenstein's, that
would be the worst thing in theworld, because if they are
immortal, then this is gonna bea big problem.
(51:20):
Basically, they're it's a raceof undead people, you know?
It's a great story.
It's and it it's it's no wonderthat this spurred on so much.
And Mary Shelley was very youngwhen she wrote this.
I mean, I'm not gonna look thatup.
SPEAKER_02 (51:34):
That's really cool.
Well, I mean, I guess like with18 years old.
SPEAKER_01 (51:40):
She was 18 years old when she created the science
fiction genre.
SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (51:45):
Crazy.
In 1818, in uh in a summer, itwas like I think there was some
volcano that had erupted um justbefore summer of 1818.
So the the whole world was kindof like shrouded in darkness,
maybe not the whole world, butat least the hemisphere that she
(52:05):
was in.
Like it was a very dark summer,there was no sunlight that
summer.
So she was inside writing awayabout like this gothic uh story
that she had come up with, andyeah, just knocked it out of the
park.
This is it's such a coolconcept.
SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
Yeah, that um Mount Tambora was the the eruption,
and it was like the year withoutsummer.
SPEAKER_01 (52:27):
That's it.
Yeah, and she wrote in thesummer, yeah.
Boyos, any last thoughts onFrankenstein?
Rich, I'm gonna send it over toyou.
I know uh you you thought thatthe gore was a little bit much,
but how was the story overall?
SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
I liked it, I really did.
I uh I thought it was a littlebit on the long side for me.
I understand, especially with adual narrative, that you know,
that can happen, but I I didlike that the dual narrative
wasn't like too repetitive.
Like I didn't want to see toomuch of the same steps, you
know, and I thought that theydid uh I did uh Little Toro did
(53:05):
a really great job of uh kind ofnavigating that.
But it it did feel a little longfor me for a little bit.
It is supposed to be dark, so Ican't really comment to that.
Like that's the kind of thestyle overall of it, you know.
Uh so that it but I thought theacting was really well done.
Uh Oscar Isaacs, uh you know,I've seen him in a lot of
different things.
(53:26):
And um I'm putting them I'm I'malmost putting him on um not
quite.
He's not Gary Oldman like level.
He's not up, he's not all theway there.
Okay.
He's not all the way there.
But I think he's I think he'sgot a really good ability to
sell me that he's other people.
You know, like this felt likeVictor Frankenstein.
I didn't feel any oh I see whatyou're saying.
SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
Not not that he is um on the level of acting as
Gary Oldman, but like for you,how you uh see actors that you
recognize from other things andyou have a hard time like
removing them from that thosethings.
Um yeah, I see what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
Like I saw Bradley Cooper in the hangover, and then
I watched the A-Team, and I waslike, I put it on as a joke
because we had watched all threehangover movies like three
nights in a row, and then I puton the A-Team, and my what and
my wife's like, Why'd you dothat?
I'm like, it's Bradley Cooper.
I'm like, you liked him in theother movies, he's the same guy.
I'm like, that's all he is.
He's just like, hey, it's me.
I don't know.
(54:24):
Yeah, I'm Bradley Cooper.
That's where I see him a lot.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you know, he's like, hey,look, I got cool hair.
Look at me.
SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
Hey, hey, I mean, you know, he does a solid job as
uh Rocket.
SPEAKER_01 (54:33):
He does a solid job as Rocket.
SPEAKER_02 (54:35):
But so but Rocket is just a mini.
SPEAKER_03 (54:38):
The guy from Hangover as a as a as a raccoon
who was just like you know whatI'm saying?
Like he's yeah, he does playthat role.
He's just as wise, cracky, andyou know, but then at the at the
end of the day, he's got a heartof gold, despite his his glossy
veneer, you know, his hisveneer.
I don't know.
He's even the same in in the Ateam.
He's you know, he he's like a heseems like a womanizer and he's
(55:00):
all overconfident, but he'sreally a sensitive guy under it
all.
SPEAKER_01 (55:04):
Oh, there's a couple things that I wanted to bring up
before we close.
How did Victor get that muchgasoline?
Bro had it was like a he hadlike an infinite, you know, like
in video games like in in thepast, like you could just have
like infinite items, uh, andlike it was a glitch that you
could get.
He had infinite cans of oil.
(55:26):
I don't know how he did that.
Where where was he getting itfrom?
Like that that must have been soexpensive.
SPEAKER_02 (55:31):
It was an infinite glitch.
SPEAKER_01 (55:33):
It was an infinite glitch that he he had, but uh
the the point that I actuallywant to break is um I really
like the parallel of CharlesDance's character, Victor's
father, being unable to lovehim, and in turn Victor was
unable to love his creation.
SPEAKER_03 (55:54):
Yeah, well that's that that's uh yeah it's
parenthood very much uh in someways.
Uh as much as you say you're notgoing to be your father like
your parents, you know, like I'mI I'm like this weird mix of
like my grumpy my grand my myvery grumpy grandfather who
(56:14):
raised me and my father who's avery soft spoken man.
So I can fly off the handle, butthen all right, let's let's sit
down and talk.
You know, it's it's this weirdmix, and and when I watched
Victor do that, I was like,yeah, I mean you you learn to
parent from your parents, uh,unfortunately.
And you know, most of us, luckyenough, have enough time with
(56:36):
our kids that you catchyourself.
You're like, Did I just do that?
and and you s you kind ofcorrect, you know, but
unfortunately, uh Victor didn'tcorrect until the end, until it
was too late, and too bad hecouldn't raise himself.
SPEAKER_01 (56:48):
Damn.
SPEAKER_03 (56:49):
Too bad that, you know, somehow Dr.
Frankenstein couldn't return.
SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
Anthony, you have any last thoughts on
Frankenstein or scenes youwanted to bring up?
SPEAKER_02 (56:57):
Oh, I I did like the ending how uh was the
Frankenstein's monster was likenice enough to like push the
guys out of the ice.
SPEAKER_01 (57:07):
Yeah, dude, he he had extreme broko.
SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
Dude, he almost tipped that ship over.
SPEAKER_01 (57:13):
I know.
SPEAKER_02 (57:13):
He's powerful, he's got that super strong, my I
mean, like it's just it's it'scrazy.
But I mean, overall, I I Ienjoyed it.
I do agree in a sense that itdid feel maybe a little bit on
the longer side.
But overall I did enjoy it.
SPEAKER_01 (57:32):
Very good.
Yeah, I I also I also uh I youknow I love I love long films, I
love just getting lost inmovies, but I do agree that I
maybe checked the the timeremaining uh a couple times
throughout throughout thismovie.
Uh uh not that I wasn't enjoyingit, I just it was just like,
(57:54):
where is this going?
You know?
It was one of those.
But ultimately, I think thatthis is a solid adaptation.
It's not trying to be so closeto the book that it's a
one-for-one.
It's clearly a kind of like alove child of the book, some
aspects of the films that he uhthat Guillermo likes, and just
(58:17):
Guillermo putting more andinjecting more into the story to
make it his own.
And I think that that was areally cool choice, uh, a
narrative choice.
And I yeah, the cast was great,the the movie was beautiful, and
um I would absolutely watch thisagain.
SPEAKER_02 (58:32):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (58:32):
Guys, thank you so much for listening to us here
for our 144th episode of ProjectGeekology.
You've you've just been ProjectGeek Colleged.
No, that sounds weird.
Um, but if you want to check outany of our socials, please be
sure to check down into the shownotes.
Uh you can find uh anything elsethat we've been up to over
there.
(58:53):
You can check our our personalsocials out.
Um and yeah, guys, stay juicy,my friends.
SPEAKER_02 (58:59):
Peace out.
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