February 19, 2024 • 54 mins
Prepare to be transported through time as Anthony and Dakota honor the colossal legacy of the 1954 Godzilla, the film that thundered in the age of Kaiju and left an indelible mark on cinema and society. We'll unravel the dense tapestry of its political nuances and trace the reverberations of its influence into the modern MonsterVerse. Then, Anthony will let you in on his thrilling escapades within the updated world of Persona 3 Reload, blending nostalgic affection with a critical eye for the enhancements that breathe new life into a beloved classic.
Our conversation takes a creative twist as I divulge my web development escapades with plans to craft a digital hub for our podcast—a testament to the power of passion projects. Dakota, in turn, peels back the curtain on his intricate Monsterverse timeline creation, a labor of love for his Geekritique audience. We pay homage to the Criterion Collection's stellar efforts in film preservation, emphasizing the importance of safeguarding cinematic treasures like Godzilla for generations to come.
As we wind down our exploration, we reflect on the shadows of World War II etched into Godzilla's storyline, pondering the ethical mazes entwined with Dr. Serizawa's character and the daunting specter of nuclear power. We chart Godzilla's transformative journey through the film annals and leave you with curated picks from the Godzilla and Kong archives, specially tailored for Max streamers. Don't forget to join us next time as we set our sights on Kong Skull Island, and make sure to connect with us for enriching dialogues that celebrate iconic tales.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 70 of Project Geekology, where we
are nuclear tested and ready togo.
I'm one half of your host,Anthony, and joining me as
always is Dakota.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And yeah, actually we are nuclear tested, but we're
also like we're full of oxygenguys and we're ready to be
destroyed.
Oxygen destroyed, that is, yes,oxygen destroyed.
So we're gonna be coveringGodzilla 1954, the original film
that started off the huge Kaijutrade.
Kaiju trade, we're gonna be.
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We're gonna be covering thefilm that started off the big
Kaiju craze, godzilla or Gojira,from 1954.
Obviously, we had, you know,king Kong that came out in the
30s, but from Japan's side ofthings, this was the big movie
that just stemmed that entirefranchise of Toho monsters, the
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universe that we love todayabout like giant monsters
fighting each other that allstarted here with Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right, this is the movie that kicked off the
beloved giant lizard,radioactive lizard.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, so we're gonna be covering everything that we
can think of within an hour ofGodzilla, whether it comes to
the political or socioeconomicramifications of like what they
were trying to get across fromthat movie.
Yes to comparisons to newermovies, because I don't know
about you, anthony, but therewas a lot of parallels between
not only Godzilla, minus one,which we covered last week the
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monster verse.
Like there were certaincharacter names that were just
totally ripped from thisoriginal movie, that were
inserted in the monster versethat we're gonna talk about, and
we're gonna compare andcontrast all of the different
little things that make up thisoriginal movie.
But, anthony, before we startany of that, what have you been
up to lately?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, you know, you better not say persona.
I went to the theaters toactually watch this original
Godzilla movie.
No, I didn't, I did watchGodzilla 1954 and that was.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It would have been cool if you went to the theaters
.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
for that, though, that would have been insane.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, that would actually have been cool.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But it was really cool revisiting that movie.
I hadn't seen it in so long, soit was almost like rewatching
it again for the first time.
But also very similar becauseafter seeing Godzilla, minus one
.
But you know, other than that,that game that you know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
The game that we've decided you weren't gonna talk
about Absolutely.
It starts with a P, ends with aErsona.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
A P Ersona.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yes, persona three reload.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So for those of you and I'm not sure if you know
what persona three reload is,persona three reload is a remake
of persona three, which was outon PS2 and they had it out for
PSP, or no?
Yeah, it was on PSP because itwas persona three portable.
And then they came out withanother version that is called
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FES that adds like a whole otherprotagonist to it.
This took the base game andremade it, but it kept the core
story.
It kept a lot of the reallyyeah the story beats and the
characters.
Honestly, it's been a reallygood time.
I had played a little bit ofpersona three on a PSP but I
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didn't get too deep into it.
Especially when this wasannounced I was like, oh, let me
play this version and I do wantto go back and play the
definitive version of FES.
I think is the version that alot of people really love.
So I do want to go back andplay that eventually, maybe as
the other protagonist.
There's like a male and afemale protagonist in that, but
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persona three reload justfocuses on the male protagonist.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Cool, so I'm assuming you're enjoying it because you
know it's the big game thatyou're playing right now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, dude, how manytimes have I talked about
persona on this podcast?
Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
An abnormal amount of persona.
Discussion over the past coupleof years years plural.
So I'm a big fan of personafive royal especially.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I got my foot in the door with persona for golden, so
I've been a persona fan atleast since the PSV of the days.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So, as someone who is not familiar with these games
literally at all, is personafive royal the name of the game?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So there's persona five and then there's persona
five royal.
Royal is the updated version ofthe game where there's updated
visuals like avatars and minorthings, but then it adds a whole
extra character to it, thegroup within the game.
They're called the fans ofthieves.
They go into this metaverse andthat's where they fight all
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these creatures and it's likethe dungeon crawling portion of
the game.
And so this persona five royaladds a new Phantom Thief and
like an additional, I think like20 to 30 hours to the game.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you said you also mentioned persona for golden.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Is that the same concept?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yes, Like an additional aspect of persona for
.
Okay, all right, cool.
So persona three this is likean updated version of that
persona three game.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yes, Well, this one is majorly updated.
It's not like you're getting aremaster or minor updates.
The original was a lot of likekind of point and click type
until you actually got into thelike.
When you got to the actualdungeons you could actually walk
around and interact with stuff.
But everything else was kind oflike point and click and a lot
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of you know you would read andinteract with people in that
kind of way.
So this one updates it to makeit where you're kind of you're
running around, you'reinteracting.
The game is seen in more of a3d world than the 2d aspect that
this one would.
Original persona three was 2dand 3d, like you know some
segments and so yeah, this oneis like an overhaul.
(06:09):
I wouldn't say it's.
It's not like Final Fantasy 7remake where they took Final
Fantasy 7 and expanded like thewhole.
The whole first part of FinalFantasy 7 remake is maybe a
couple hours in the original.
This one is closer to theoriginal game but they updated
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it to where it looks.
You know it's more modern.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So yeah, I've really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, it's really cool seeing how the game was and
then seeing how it is now.
Persona 3 is the most popularfor a lot of long term persona
fans, mostly because personathree is the game that really is
the mold for the rest of thepersona games.
But it's still tied to itsroots.
Persona is a spin off of aseries called Shin Megami Tensei
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.
The roots of persona three is alot closer to Shin Megami
Tensei and some of those rootskind of leave the game as the
games go on.
But I don't think that'snecessarily a bad thing.
I just think that the personagames kind of established their
own identity and so they'rebreaking away from the Shin
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Megami Tensei, but they stillhave the heart of it.
Persona are these creatures inShin Megami.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, yeah, all right .
What is it available to play on?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So persona three reload.
It's available on all the majorconsoles.
It's not on the Switch.
I don't know if they've madeany announcements as far as
making a version of it for theSwitch, but it is for Xbox, it
is for PlayStation and it is onPC.
For the Switch, you can playthe original persona three,
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persona four golden and personafive royal.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay you can play the reloaded?
Is it because the graphicsengine available on the Switch?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm honestly not 100% sure, because the Switch runs
persona five royal prettydecently.
It's a lot more animated.
The graphics aren't really likeheavy.
It's not realistic.
It's not like you're trying toplay Final Fantasy 7 remake on
the Switch.
I think if you ever try to playa game like that on the Switch,
your Switch would probablyliterally explode.
(08:25):
So, maybe down the line we'llget that version on the Switch,
but At least you do have aversion of it that you can play
on the Switch.
Do you recommend?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
playing the first two games in the series before
jumping into three.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It's not necessary.
It's almost like the personagames are very similar to how
Final Fantasy is done, where theonly thing that's really
connecting them is maybe like acouple of characters, but it's
not connected story-wise.
Like you know, the protagonists, they're all different, the
stories are all different, theworld building is all different,
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but the personas are shared.
You know how Final Fantasy youhave Chocobos and all the magic
is like the same.
You might have the Mugles orwhatnot.
There's stuff that's sharedwithin this universe, but the
stories are different.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, all right, I'm thinking about.
I mean, you've been talkingabout it for so long.
Every time you say it, I'mthinking like maybe.
I should get into it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Hey, you might like it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, I might jump on like places in five.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, cool.
Do you recommend Persona 3Reloaded as a?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
starting point.
I mean it's so, it's so tough,because I know a lot of people
would say like yeah, definitely,definitely.
But I feel like the one thathas grabbed the most people is
Persona 5.
You know, because, like I don'tknow, have you heard of Persona
before, like outside of metalking about it?
No, no.
(09:57):
So I mean I've heard, so I knowpeople who have talked about it
, but like I never really knewabout Persona 3 and 4 until,
like you know, just by chance, Ipicked up Persona 4, golden for
the Vita, so that's somethingthat I didn't know.
It's almost like Monster Hunter.
Monster Hunter is very niche, Ithink, in a way, persona was
(10:20):
niche, but it's like kind ofgone to the forefront.
So maybe five, you know, fivemight be something that grabs
you a little bit more, but itall depends because, like
Persona 3 Reloaded is a lotdarker, theme-wise and there's,
you know, it even warns you inthe beginning about stuff like
bullying and you know, just likethat, there might be some
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sensitive things.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The disclaimers yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Those disclaimers, okay, allright, so I'll think about it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, definitely I'll see which one, but you would be
safe on jumping on either one.
You don't have to worry aboutmissing anything.
Story-wise.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right.
So if I jumped on Persona 4,golden, you'd be cool with that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's where I started, so perfect, cool.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Anything else you've been up to?
Ah, nah, man.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, just doing my thing, working on my stuff,
working on my projects,continuing to learn my web
development stuff.
You know it's a slow process,but it's getting there
Eventually.
I've told you many times I'dlove to build us a proper
website for our podcast and Ithink that's going to be my big
personal project when I actuallyget to a place to where I can
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do stuff either on my own or Iknow where to go to figure out
stuff.
But that's definitely somethingthat's on my heart.
I really, really want to dothat and I think it would be
cool.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I think that's important.
I think any creative goal,whether it's creating a website
or creating some sort of artpiece, writing regularly,
drawing regularly I think it's acool thing to work towards.
And, yeah, I think that thepodcast definitely needs a new
home.
Yes, besides just a hostingplatform, basically I think we
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need something a little bitstronger, a little more catchy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Absolutely Something that.
It's something that you know Iwant to establish.
And then when we actuallyupdate, when we release these
episodes, that it's you know.
I don't have to go in and addit every time.
It's like automatic, it's likeboom, it's there.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, definitely.
I think that's a super stronggoal, especially creatively.
I think that that is somethingthat is easily I mean all right,
it's not easily attainable,it's obviously a lot of work,
but it's a cool goal to have.
Eventually, I would like towrite a novel.
It's not going to happenovernight.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think eventually it probably will happen, you know,
if I keep writing regularly.
So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Definitely, that's kind of what I've been up to.
What about you?
What have you been up to?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I've been busying myself with work.
Otherwise I've been working onmy own projects for my
GeekRoutique YouTube channelSpecifically.
I think I spoke about it lastweek.
I'm pretty sure I have.
I'm working on the Monsterversetimeline.
I have pretty much done all ofmy timeline notes for pretty
much everything.
I've done all the films, allthe comic books that are tied
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into the Monsterverse, and nowI'm working on the TV shows.
I've finished the Netflixrelease, a single season of a
Kong anime show.
I've done all the notes forthat.
And now I'm working on theMonarch Legacy of Monsters,
season one, and I'm halfwaythrough with that.
I'm almost done with all thenote taking for the Monsterverse
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and then I can begin my writingprocess of the timeline.
That's kind of how my processworks For the most part.
I take all the notes that I canfirst, then I jump into writing
and then I record and startediting.
But for the Monsterverse, thiswas a more tedious project
because I've never taken anynotes for it.
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I've always just been anobserver and an enjoyer of the
movies, the shows, whatever.
So I had to go back and bemeticulous about like okay, I
want this to be mentioned in myvideo.
I don't want this to bementioned in my video.
So it takes a lot of work onthat end, which is not something
I'm used to because, like withMarvel, which I'm very in tune
with, like Okay, this is a veryimportant thing to write down.
(14:08):
I'll do that immediately, yeahyou know, that's just how my
brain is hardwired with Marvel,with other franchises.
I'm still kind of working myway up towards that so that I
can create big timeline videosthat have not only like one.
Like you know, I can easily saythis movie happens here, this
show happens here, this comichappens here.
But to have a narrative thatlike sweeps throughout all of
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that, that's a lot of work.
You know.
I have to really know my stufffor something like that.
So that's what I'm working onright now.
It's it's a long time coming.
I've been doing the notes forthis for a little over a month
at this point and I'm almostdone.
So I'm actually very excitedabout how this video is turning
out.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think it's gonna be a good one very nice man and
when that video comes out, we'lldefinitely plug it in the show
notes.
We already we have your YouTubein the show notes.
So if any of you all areinterested any new people coming
in, dad, they're interested inseeing your YouTube channel.
It's in the show notes.
Go check it out.
There's a lot of really coolstuff.
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Expert.
So you know you're officiallyunofficial, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I Appreciate it.
Should we jump into Godzilla?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Absolutely so, absolutely.
It was interesting going backand watching this movie because
you know they've definitely donea lot to Clean up the look of
it, especially like I watched iton max, and I know that
obviously, had I Seen this movieback then, the clarity of the
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picture wouldn't look like theway it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I see what you're saying, yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely gonethrough a couple of remasters
over the years.
The version on max actually isa version only available to
Criterion.
Oh yeah, it's in criterion acollection right.
Yeah, so the criterioncollection.
They make DVDs.
I mean, that's that's how theystarted.
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They find niche videos or, youknow, like movies that Don't
necessarily lend themselves tobig blockbuster release, that
are generally on the more artsyside of the entertainment value
that you know I get from.
You know movies and they theysign deals with the studios,
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with the directors, to Makephysical media for you know,
some of these films I have acouple.
I have like probably seven oreight on my shelf over there.
I have I'm looking at themright now I have citizen Kane, I
have a hard day's night, I havethe whole in drive twin peaks,
a couple of them.
I have a princess bride.
They're all like criterioncollection versions of those
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releases and Alongside them theyusually have, you know, a
couple like special DVD extrasthat you wouldn't normally get
on a normal DVD extra.
And I think that's that's kindof what sets criterion apart is
they really try to give you asmuch as as much value as
possible with each release,because the Godzilla stuff that
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we were streaming for Godzilla1954 was over max.
I don't know that they have anyof the extra stuff that would
normally come on Like acriterion DVD or that criterion
streaming service.
I'm happy that it was on max tobegin with, just in general,
just because we were able to youknow cover it for our you know
production of this episode, sothat that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it was really cool and, man, you know, there's
a lot of things that kind ofwas sitting in my mind and that
I was a little excited to talkabout.
There was a lot about this filmthat While I was watching it,
you know, I kept on thinkingabout Godzilla minus one and it
really made me appreciateGodzilla minus one a lot more,
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because it showed that thecreators of that one really
appreciated the originalGodzilla and they, you know,
there was a lot that it feltlike.
Like I said, it was almost likewatching this movie again for
the first time, but there was alot familiar about it because we
had seen Godzilla minus one.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I totally agree.
And it's funny that you saidthat, because while I was
watching it yesterday, jen wasworking on her laptop for, you
know, for her job, for school orwhatever, and she was telling
me today that, like every timeshe looked up, she was just like
, oh, this scene reminds me ofGodzilla minus one, and I was
thinking that throughout theentire thing I was just like man
, is Godzilla minus one justkind of like a really modernized
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adaptation of the original 1954?
And I think it is in some ways,you know, I think it's meant to
be.
Obviously it's its own thing, Idon't think anyone's gonna, you
know, argue that but it is meantto emulate the feel, the terror
, the overall Sentiment ofpost-war Japan that you had with
the original film and somethingthat Really sat in my mind
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about the original is that youknow, yes, that movie definitely
has that post World War twofield.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know this original one and the insanity is
that everybody in that filmLived through that period, lived
through World War two.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I know this was not even ten years after the end of
it.
Yeah so let me put it this way,the people making this movie
were closer in time to the bombsdropping in Japan.
Then we are to Godzilla comingout in 2014, the Gareth Edwards
movie that we covered not solong ago.
It's just like to think aboutthat.
(19:34):
Difference kind of puts timeinto perspective and the time
span of films and Hollywood andall that.
So, yeah, anyone going throughthis movie, anyone filming this
movie, anyone creating thismovie and experiencing it at
that time Would have thosememories of war, you know bombs.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
H bombs, yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
There's an interesting scene on the train
that a woman talks about.
She's like you know, I justbarely survived the bombing in
Nagasaki.
Now I have to deal with thisGodzilla thing.
I was like dude.
How many people in this filmactually had to survive actual
bombing stuff like how close tohome did that?
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You know, is this stuff hitting?
When they're talking about thispost-war stuff, they're talking
about Nuclear testing, h bombtesting.
You know, it's like dude.
It's insane how close to WorldWar two this movie was and how
much that war Influences me.
It's all.
It's written all over this.
It's so prominently Featured inthis movie because how close it
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was.
Man Dude, like that movie, dude, that movie it that movie after
World War two.
It was closer to World War twothan you and I are to high
school.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, dude, it's absolutely insane and I consider
myself a young person, like, Idon't consider myself like an
old Old-folky at this point.
But yeah, it's dude, it's nuts.
How much World War two iswritten all over this movie,
absolutely Even like.
There's one scene where there'sa mother and her two children
like, and they're cowering fromthe destruction that is Godzilla
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tearing through Tokyo, and shetells her kids will be with your
father soon.
And I'm just like, dude, that'sdeep, that's heavy, you know.
She's basically telling her kidswe're gonna die and it's gonna
be okay because we're gonna bewith your dad and that's dude it
.
I got choked up with it becauseI don't know how war feels.
I'm a 32 year old dude who'snever been through any type of
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battle like that.
But these people experiencethat firsthand with the fire
bombings and literally everyJapanese city outside of Kyoto,
as well as the nuclear bombs ofHiroshima and Nagasaki.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
There's no way anyone watching that movie in Japan
did not have that backgroundinformation going on at all
times and it's hard not to watchGodzilla and Think about how
it's directly influenced byWorld War two, because Godzilla
Really is.
I mean, he represents Nuclearpower.
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That's really what he was basedoff of, you know.
Yeah, that was the inspiration.
He's, this creature that wascreated by bomb testing in the
water and I thought it wasreally cool when Godzilla was
showing up and he's bringing upall these like little Trilobites
.
Yes, these were extinctmillions of years ago and Now
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these things are coming up inGodzilla's footprint.
What is down, and it's likelittle, like he's like in this,
like Ravine in the water or likevalid, like deep point in the
water.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Basically, like he's been dormant for so long that I
think, like Currently, ourunderstanding of like the
Godzilla mythology from prettymuch like a number of different
Mythologies that have popped upover the years, is that Godzilla
is an ancient creature thatExisted at a time when our
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atmosphere in general was muchmore nuclear and or like there's
much more radiation in theatmosphere, like prehistory
basically.
And I think that is the idea ofLike him bringing these ancient
fossils that are like 200million years old up as if they
were new creatures.
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You know, I think that he wasdormant for so long because
there was nothing radioactiveenough to wake him up until the
nuclear tests basically woke himup.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think that's what the what the story was trying to
say you know something that Iwas really impressed by the
acting in this movie.
Like it, you know you, like Isaid, it been a long time and
then you think Godzilla movieshad kind of been, you know, made
fun of Over the years thatyou're thinking that they're all
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kind of corny, when not all ofthem are.
But like you know, in thisoriginal, like you got some
really, really good acting, evenfor a Japanese film where
sometimes it could be a littleoverboard.
What some of the acting?
They weren't really all thatcrazy overboard.
They had some really, like youknow, serious scenes.
They Interacted.
It didn't seem over the top.
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I was really impressed how welleverything was acted out.
It made me think that even withthe way that they were able to
Scale things up with miniaturesand even with people with
Godzilla in the background, likethat they even were able to.
They had the technology andeven the thought process to like
be able to create this stuffReally like blew me away
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watching this.
Like I had such an appreciationfor the limited technology that
they had that they were reallyable to do a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I was really impressed by you know there was
a, there was a couple scenes.
I was really impressed by nowthat you bring it up in terms of
like how they were able tosuperimpose Two images onto each
other.
One of them, I mean there was,there was a couple when he was
walking through Tokyo and youcould see the people running in
the streets below and he was inthe distance and there was fire
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all over the city.
Yes excellent dude.
Like there was so many scenes,I was just like that's an album
cover right there, like that's,that's beautiful, like it looked
really good.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I was.
This movie really does hold upvery well and the fact that you
know it has been taken care of,you know you have like the
criterion collection, that likereally it just you know that and
with, yeah, like you said, youknow the what, what they're able
to do with you know, superimposing.
And you know, honestly, when Isaw Godzilla, you know obviously
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I chuckled a little bit but itreally did bring a smile to my
face because I was like this is,you know, godzilla.
You know this is a man in arubber suit right here.
This started at all.
I was like you know there was acouple moments where you like,
looking over the suit doesn'tlook amazing, but I guys still
love it, man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I still.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know, in his atomic breath was pretty much
just a blow dryer dude.
Yeah, I started laughing whenhe was doing it, like when he
was like doing the, but I wasimpressed because of, like you
know, he was doing that and thenthey were able to like give it
that melting like a fact and itlooked really yeah, I think they
were going more for likeradiation.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, holy, got that it glowed when he was blowing on
it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's like, yeah, it's not like I would call that
Definitely atomic breath.
It makes more sense to callthat atomic breath.
The current Godzilla definitelyshoots out like an atomic beam.
You know now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah for sure.
Yeah, and then when you come,when it comes to like the
legendary Monster verse stuff,it's more of like blue fire and
I'm sure there is some radiationinvolved in there, but yeah,
it's not the same as when itoriginally came.
One thing I was pleasantlysurprised by that I didn't
remember from the first time Iwatched this, was the opening
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credits.
I thought it was funny and alsokind of cool that they had like
different Roars from Godzillathroughout the opening credits
and they were playing the likethe theme song.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I meant to this.
I meant to this and it's.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's insane because you listen to the theme in that
movie and you listen to thetheme that they play and
Godzilla minus one, pretty muchidentical, except obviously
Godzilla minus one and it soundsa lot better, but it's
literally the same thing it'sthe same orchestration, it's the
same notes on the same paper.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just a new recording.
Yeah, so that that wasimpressive.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That was definitely impressive, you know it's a
shame that these people thatwere in the original film
couldn't see.
You know, maybe some of theyounger ones might have seen
Godzilla minus one, but it's sadthat a lot of people didn't get
to see like what they inspired,because Godzilla minus one you
have all these Godzilla movies,but Godzilla minus one is
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definitely a love letter to theoriginal Godzilla.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's some interesting parallels that I
think are more like thematic asopposed to like a one-for-one.
So like a one-for-one for me isthe obvious.
Like the reporters, yes, whenthey were reporting the
destruction of Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yes, dude, I thought it's the first thing.
First couple lines.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I thought they were this, the exact same like lines
from the original movie as inGodzilla minus one.
I was like this it seems likeit was like a one-for-one sort
of thing.
Yes, there were some thingschanged because they were on
like a tower versus like the topof a building.
But so, for those of you whodon't remember or who haven't
seen Godzilla minus one, there'sa scene where there are like
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four reporters, like one of themis capturing video, one of them
is capturing audio and one ofthem is actually talking into
the Microphone, is explaininglike what Godzilla is doing and
he's tearing through Tokyo andhe's destroying and leveling
buildings and Destruction isrampant.
We don't know if we're gonnaget out of here.
Blah, blah, blah.
They have that exact same scenein Godzilla 1954.
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It's on a radio tower insteadof the top of a building and I
don't remember what happens tothe radio crew in Godzilla minus
one.
But in Godzilla 1954, godzilla,you know, tears down the radio
tower and that's that for them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, the evacuation announcement was yeah
, like the same, absolutely thesame.
That's cool.
Yeah, man, like, like I said,watching through this film dude,
they, it really does it gave me, so, like I said, so much more
of an appreciation for Godzillaminus one, because I'm, like
dude, like they really took alot of inspiration from this
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film and the Godzilla andGodzilla minus one is Literally
the Godzilla in this movie, butobviously not like Lopsided
looking.
They, like you know, give themmore of a symmetrical look, but
the texture and like the look isso close to the original man
connection.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
An obvious like one-for-one connection between
Godzilla minus one and Godzilla1954 is Oda Island, which is a
fictional island.
We talked about it briefly onour last episode.
That's the island that has themythology or the legend of a
Godzilla type creature.
Yeah, I looked it up.
It's not an actual Japaneseisland, it's an island created
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for the 1954 film that on thatisland they have a legend of a
Godzilla type creature.
So it's not a new creature.
Godzilla isn't a new thing.
He's been around for a very,very, very long time and the
nuclear testing will come up.
That's basically the story ofOda Island and that's an easy
connection between Godzillaminus one and Godzilla 1954,
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because obviously Oda Islanddoesn't exist, but it exists in
both of these versions of themovies and both of these
versions of movies have thatlegend of an ancient creature
called Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So I think that's pretty cool and you know about
20 years later, you know, getOda, the creator of one piece.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
How can you forget?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, there's the connection right there, you
heard it here, folks Godzillaand one piece are connected by
this little piece of information.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I was actually just telling Jen, like we were having
dinner, we're at a Mexicanrestaurant and I was thinking
about like one piece and I'mjust like man, I stopped reading
the manga, I stopped watchingthe anime, but I have this
strong urge to watch one piece.
I have this strong urge tocontinue reading the story.
I know that the story getsbetter and different and it's
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it's stranger moving forward andI want to experience that.
So I went ahead and I orderedthe next five Volumes of the
manga should be getting themsoon.
But, yeah, I'm excited to jumpback into the one piece world
just because you know, I've beenfollowing like random, like
people on tech talk who are likefantasy Aficionados and people
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who've read one piece considerit amongst their top five
Fantasy stories ever and I wantto experience that.
You know, like I've onlyexperienced the East blue side
as of this point, like I haven'texperienced anything past East
blue or low town.
I haven't even gotten to lowtown technically.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Do you get to the Grand Line man?
Grand Line, that dude.
That's where Oda Island is.
You get to the Grand Line.
You get to Godzilla man.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Is that okay, All right.
Well, that's good, All right.
So Back back to God.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
There is actually a lot of large creatures when you
get there.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But yeah, yeah, no, I don't want to get back into one
piece like legit.
Like I've been thinking aboutit, it's been like in the back
of my head for a bit.
Now I'm excited to dive backinto that universe.
But we're talking about thattiller here.
We have a lot to talk aboutwith Godzilla.
There's a lot of scenes wherethey discuss his radio activity.
You know like everywhere hegoes they have to bring a Geiger
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counter to determine hisradioactive signature is or
whatever to make sure it's safeto be where he has been, and
that in itself is part andparcel of life.
After the nuclear bombs weredropped on Japan, because there
was a period after the end ofthe war where those two cities,
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hiroshima and Nagasaki, wereunlivable because of nuclear
fall.
Obviously that's not the casetoday.
They're very livable now.
It was a very short period oftime, but it was dangerous at
the time, you know, and thereare people around that area who
weren't directly affected by thebomb immediately had effects
later on.
So that was in the publicconsciousness at the time when
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this movie was coming out andthat's another one of those
things that this movie iscommenting on.
But the biggest commentary thatI can think of in terms of World
War II ramifications is nearthe end of the movie they really
start to dig into the oxygendestroyer as this next big super
weapon.
They mentioned A-bombs that'swhat was dropped on Hiroshima
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and Nagasaki.
They mentioned H-bombs, whichis the next big thing after
A-bombs.
H-bombs were never like droppedon any civilian cities or
anything like that, but theywere used in testing and they
tested all the way up throughthe 50s and 60s.
They even mentioned some of thetesting in the movie as like as
woke up Godzilla, dr Serizawa,a character who has a cool
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little eyepatch, creates what'sknown as the oxygen destroyer
and introduces it to Emiko,which they don't really explain
like their relationship too much, emiko and Dr Serizawa.
But it's kind of implied thatEmiko and Dr Serizawa were once
a thing or almost a thing, likethey were close enough where,
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like introducing Emiko's fiancéin Ogata was kind of weird, to a
point where they didn'tactually introduce themselves as
a couple to Dr Serizawa.
Emiko is introduced to DrSerizawa's oxygen destroyer in a
little contained test within afish tank and she freaks out
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because obviously that's a veryterrible power to be exposed to
and throughout the rest of themovie Dr Serizawa was very
adamant that he does not wantthis going out into the world.
And you know, in 2024, watchingthis, in 2024, post Oppenheimer,
post Godzilla minus one, I haveto like use that knowledge or
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preconception of what it wouldbe like to create a weapon of
this magnitude in a movie likethis and I think that's what
they were commenting on like, drSerizawa was kind of an
Oppenheimer type character where, like he didn't want his bomb
to blow up civilians, he wasdoing it because he could.
He was doing it because it wasthe next step in scientific
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knowledge.
It was a breakthrough, but whenit came down to using it to
take out life, that wasobviously something Oppenheimer
did not want.
You know if you watch the movieyeah he kind of drew the line
there.
He was very adamant that maybewe should, you know, stop.
He tried to stop the militaryat that point with Godzilla 1954
, dr Serizawa tried to stopanyone from even knowing that he
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was working on this device,because he realized the effects
that the A bomb, the H bomb, hadon the global socioeconomic
system where, like, just becausethey use that, that changed the
world forever.
Like, they realized at thatmoment that every superpower in
the world is going to try toattain that power and they're
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going to leverage it againsteach other.
And that's what ended uphappening with the Cold War,
even after this movie wasreleased, you know.
So, at this point in 1954, whenthe Soviet Union was still
fairly weak comparatively tolike when they were like the 60s
, 70s and 80s, the directors ofthis movie had the foresight to
like, really dig into thatmindset of, like, what would
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happen if we created a bombthat's even worse than the H
bomb.
And that's what they kind ofdid with the opposite of
destroyer.
They didn't want that gettingout into the world.
And I think that's such a coolnarrative, you know, it's just
like we saw firsthand what abomb could do on our domestic
soil.
We don't want to be the creatorof the next big thing right,
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that's dope.
Destroy all his notes and stuffon it too yeah, and I think Dr
Serizawa is probably the mostinteresting character of this
movie for a number of reasons,not just because of that.
Obviously, he's the one who hasthe plot device that ends the
threat, so that's interesting inand of itself, but when it
comes to a parallel between thismovie and Godzilla minus one
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and this movie and Legendary'sMonsterverse, there's a lot to
talk about when it comes to DrSerizawa, because he sacrifices
his life to destroy the monster,but in Godzilla minus one, the
main character does notsacrifice himself, even though
he wants to.
He plans to.
He does not, though, and Ithink that's the big difference
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between Godzilla minus one andGodzilla 1954 is that, like,
life is valuable, there's nopoint giving it up even though
there is a desire for thisweapon, the oxygen destroyer, to
not get out there, he didn'twant to use it on life 100
percent.
I think in the context of thismovie it makes more sense for
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him to take his own life,because he's afraid that some
other organization is going toget him and use his knowledge to
create another one of thesedevices which is valid?
I mean honestly in that timeprobably yeah, I 100% agree with
with that sentiment and Iunderstand his fear about, like
it being used for, you know,something other than destroying
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a giant lizard creature.
But let's talk about if, ifyou'll allow me, dr Serizawa
versus the Dr Serizawa of themonsterverse yeah so I think
that's a really interestingcomparison because, for those of
you who remember Dr Serizawa inthe first Godzilla movie
Godzilla 2014, the firstAmerican version of this you
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know what I'm talking about.
Godzilla 2014, they had a DrSerizawa.
He was famously quoted as likelet them fight.
You know, he was the guy whotold the US army to basically
let Godzilla fight the Muto'sthe Muto's because he knew that
Godzilla could win and he's likea natural balance for nature
and all that.
Well, in Godzilla king of themonsters, which is the third
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movie, so Godzilla 2014 andthere's Kong skull island and
then there's Godzilla king ofthe monsters.
In that movie, a rogue partyreleases King Ghidorah, or they
call it monster zero.
In this movie, they releaseRodin and they release Mothra.
Blah, blah, blah.
It culminates a big monsterfight.
But there's a point in themidway point of the movie where
the US army uses an experimentalweapon known as the oxygen
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destroyer to blow up Godzillaand King Ghidorah.
Only Godzilla is like mortallyaffected by this bomb called the
oxygen destroyer, which isobviously a parallel to the
original 1954 film.
But the interesting thing aboutthat is that Dr Serizawa did
not want him to be blown up.
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He did not want him to use theoxygen destroyer on Godzilla.
There's a parallel between DrSerizawa and Godzilla where in
the original 1954 film, drSerizawa sacrifices himself to
explode the bomb in front ofGodzilla, killing both him and
Godzilla.
But in the newer movie, the 2019movie Godzilla King of the
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Monsters, to bring Godzilla backin action, after the oxygen
destroyer, the Monarch teamdives into Godzilla's lair the
earth's crust basically and theyrelease a nuclear bomb.
Dr Serizawa himself walks up toGodzilla to basically like,
ignite this nuclear bomb, whichis what Godzilla feeds on.
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So it's actually something thatwill like basically wake him up
.
Dr Serizawa in the 2019Godzilla King of the Monsters
actually sacrifices himselfusing a bomb to wake Godzilla up
, versus Dr Serizawa blowinghimself up to kill Godzilla in
1954.
I just think that parallel issuper cool and it's all based
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around the oxygen destroyer.
Did that make sense, see?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
no, no, no.
I think that's really cool andyou know, it's been a while
since I had seen those moviesand even longer since I had seen
this.
So honestly, I wouldn't evenhave been able to put two and
two together.
But if I had watched thosemovies again then I would have
been like, oh my gosh.
I remember this from theoriginal.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, it's just cool that, like Dr Sarawazawa of the
1954 film is there to blowhimself up as well as Godzilla,
versus the 2019 version of DrSarawazawa is there to blow
himself up to resuscitateGodzilla.
You know, it's almost like a,it's like a roundabout.
Thank you in a way.
I don't know.
I haven't even explained it,but it's cool.
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It's a cool parallel.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, no, that definitely is.
That's cool and I'm glad thatyou brought that up, because it
really shows how much thisoriginal movie has permeated
throughout these different filmsand you know, I mean 2014, one
obviously kicked off a monsterverse, you know, kind of its own
contain universe, whereas, likeall these other Godzilla movies
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were kind of like one offs oryou know like very small, like
not like a universe in this kindof way, Though I mean, we have
had, you know, Godzilla versusKing Kong.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, so the early Toho films, like up until the
late 70s, they were all oneuniverse, starting from like
Godzilla 1954 up and I thinkit's the late 70s, and then
there was like a 12 year periodwhere they didn't do anything.
And then in the 90s theystarted it up again where there
was like a new universe.
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More recently, within the past20, 25 years, all the Japanese
films have been one off stories.
If I remember correctly,godzilla minus one is one of
those one off stories, just likeShin Godzilla is so on and so
forth.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
It's definitely, like I said, man watching through
this film really gave me anappreciation for the series.
Like you said, you know there'sbeen some really good movies and
then there's been some doozies,but I'm glad that this movie
that kicked off the Gojiraseries and the Kaiju, the whole
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genre, really, you know, yeah,exactly that it was a strong
start and it went from anywherefrom the man in the rubber suit
to the people you know, justeverybody Like it really seemed
that they really put their allinto this movie and I applaud
them even more because, dude, ithadn't even been a decade since
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World War Two happened.
10 years is not enough time toclean up all of that.
They're still dealing with adevastation from World War Two
and the fact that a film likethis, that time kicked off an
entire genre, a character thatis transcended and just it's
relevant.
It was relevant with ourgrandparents and it's relevant
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now today.
You know, to us, we all knowthese characters, it's something
that's just going to keep goingand it's insane how you could
ask anybody.
Everybody's going to know whoGodzilla is.
You could live in a cave yourwhole life and still know
Godzilla, godzilla.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I was even thinking, like in the intro, before they
even showed any footage of themovie, they had like the credits
of the movie, there was like aplaylist of the different roars
that he did throughout the movie.
It all sounded like Godzilla,like the Godzilla that we know
and love today.
It's crazy how much nothing haschanged.
I mean even the scales on hisback when he would like do his
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atomic breath, even those lit up.
It's just like the basic DNA ofthis giant, angry creature has
stuck around for almost 70 years.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Dude, the look of Godzilla has practically stayed
the same too.
I mean, they've obviouslyupdated the look, but you know
and we've had a couple, you knowthey try to change him a couple
of times.
You know that one AmericanGodzilla movie where they try to
make.
Godzilla slash.
It was like a T-Rex slashGodzilla.
I don't know what they weregoing on.
But I mean for the most part forthe most part it's just been
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this bipedal lizard creaturething that has looked the same,
almost like chunky destructiveforce dude, like I mean you look
at Godzilla now and you look atGodzilla in the legendary
universe and it's the same, justnot a man in a rubber suit and
updated graphics, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
What's cool is that, like you can take someone who's
like you can take someone fromthe 50s who's just watched this
Godzilla movie and you put theminto 2014, 2019, whatever.
There was a Godzilla movie thatwas recent.
There's no way that they thinkthat that's a different monster.
It's just like a bigger, betterversion of it.
This is the original, this isthe one that all of this is
based off of, and I think that'sso cool.
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I agree, man.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
There's one shot that I wanted to talk about briefly.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
There's a scene where they had like 300 Asian
schoolgirls singing.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oh, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
And it takes like the scene you know it kind of like
spends a whole minute panningthrough the room as these girls
sing and I'm just like what abeautiful shot, because it's one
take.
So there's a couple shots inthis movie that like are weirdly
cut.
So there's a couple of sceneswhere, like Emiko in particular,
like you can tell they likespliced two cuts together.
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Emiko being the girl in themovie you can tell that they
spliced two cuts togetherbecause it'd be like she would
be looking sad.
And then the next scene, likeliterally less than a second
later she'd be like screamingand crying and there was a
couple like jump cuts like that.
That just didn't work, butmaybe they worked back in the
50s.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Today they wouldn't work.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know it would be bad editing today.
Even that, like seeing thatearly in the film, I was just
like the editing is going to bekind of blah.
It's not going to really allowme any.
But seeing the scene with, like, all the schoolgirls singing
and it was just panning throughthem slowly as they sang this
song to, like you know, upliftJapan in this dark time yeah, I
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was really touched.
Dude it was.
It looked beautiful, Like itwas clean.
It was clearly on like a dollyin a way that like there was no
shaky camera or anything.
It was just like it felt like avery modern scene, like a
long-take modern scene, and Ithought that was so cool.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, I thought that there's that one scene that was
really interesting, remember,like Island was being attacked
and it looked like a monsoonthat was going on, but it was
Godzilla dude.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
They did a really good job of like creating
monsoon effects.
Yes, A model village, becausethat's where it is.
It was a model village thatthey were destroying Dude.
It looked great, Like it was.
It was crazy, Even like some ofthe ships that they had like
bobbing up on the water andbeing destroyed slowly.
I was really impressed by it.
There's even some shots wherethey had the Japanese Navy
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clearly bomb the water and theyfilmed that.
I don't know if you noticedthat Like they're like oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
They were like obvious realbombs in the water which I was
like not expecting at all.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
And, considering the fact that they had a limited
budget, they had to create thisfilm essentially about
destruction, which there's a lotthat goes into that.
You know they had constraintswith making this film.
It wasn't an easy film to make,but they did it, man.
They overcame whatever they had.
I'm not going to like you knowcrap on it, obviously, but
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obviously some of the budgetdidn't go into the suit, but I
love it anyway.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know, what I was surprised by talking about
budget is like all the extrasthat were involved in this movie
.
Like there was a lot of extras.
After the village is destroyed,there's the scene I think it
was after the village isdestroyed and it was like before
.
But there was a scene where,after a couple of ships have
been destroyed, there's like agroup of like 100, 150 people on
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the beach like looking out atthe water, and I'm just like
that's a lot of extras that theyjust got for this scene.
And there's another scene inTokyo when it's being destroyed
that you see, just like hundreds, hundreds of people like moving
all at once, and I'm just likethey literally got a whole
village to act for this movie.
Like how did they do that?
I'm consistently like surprisedby like old films like this.
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Like how do they manage suchhuge groups?
And it's impressive.
I'm glad we did Godzilla 1954.
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was nice, like I said, going back
and and being able to watch thisfilm and just really being
delighted to see that there's alot about it that does hold up
and it starts off strong.
Man, it starts off this seriesvery strong.
It doesn't just throw Godzillaright at you, it builds up to
Godzilla just like Godzillaminus one, like it.
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I mean, you do get Godzilla inthe beginning in that one, you
know, but when he's younger,like you know, like a smaller
Godzilla, but it builds up tolike the actual Godzilla that we
know throughout the film andthat's what this original does.
You know You're hearing a lotabout Godzilla, you know you
have that moment where he kindof like pops his head over that
mountain like people wererunning from him.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
He's like it looks really funny, but it was also.
It was also kind of cool, yeah,yeah yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You know, it was like in that moment I'm like you
know, got those like popping up,like hey, what y'all doing over
there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Anthony, what do you say?
We continue our giant monsterdiscussion next week, maybe not
with Godzilla, but maybe withanother movie, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
All right, we will cover the Phantom of the Opera.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'm 100% down.
Speaking of Phantom of theOpera, no joke.
Maybe about a month or two ago,my wife Jen watched Phantom of
the Opera.
I think it was 2003 movie.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I remember when y'all had that like soundtrack on
repeat.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Dude, it's a good movie like.
It's actually like really goodJen had, only she'd never seen
it before.
But anyway, I'm thinking morelike giant monster, not just
like you know.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
You know small Phantom.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
about Kong Skull Island, the 2017 film, the
follow-up to Godzilla 2014, butit's about Kong instead of
Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I suppose, man, I suppose, no, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, definitely that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, all right, let's keep this.
Let's keep this monster jamrolling, this monster mash, you
know.
I could see it in Anthony'sface that like ice and monster
mash before he was able to sayit and he was pissed.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's like Dakota beat me to the punch, you know All
right, guys.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Thank you so much for listening to us here at Project
Geekology for our 70th episode,all about Gojira 1954.
Next week we're going to becovering Kong Skull Island, the
2017 film by Legendary and Toho.
We're very excited about that.
Just to jump into anothermonster.
But yeah, anthony, anythingelse to say about Godzilla 1954.
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?
Speaker 1 (52:48):
If y'all are Godzilla fans and you haven't seen this
film or haven't seen it in awhile, definitely go watch it or
revisit it.
It's a delight to see.
It's a delight just to watchthe movie that kicked it all off
and honestly didn't just kickoff the whole Godzilla series,
but kicked off the entire giantmonsters fighting each other era
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the series, the Kaiju'sfighting.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, 100%, and I couldn't say it any better
myself.
So, yeah, definitely check outGodzilla 1954.
If you have Max the streamingservice, if you have that, it's
available there as well as anumber of Godzilla movies.
They have a whole bunch of ohyeah, so many.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I was like, oh my gosh, I was scrolling through
that.
I was like, oh my gosh, dude,there's so many Godzilla movies.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
There's more Godzilla movies than I remember there
being, but, yeah, definitelycheck them out, specifically
that first one, because it'sprobably considered among the
best, and for good reason.
But anyways, we will see younext week for our 71st episode,
specifically Kong Skull Island.
So be there or be square.
If you want to check outanything outside of the podcast,
be sure to check our show notes, where we have all of our
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socials individually and youknow as like the podcast socials
and stuff.
So follow us there and we'llsee you next time.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Alrighty bye.
Welcome to episode 70 of Project Geekology, where we
are nuclear tested and ready togo.
I'm one half of your host,Anthony, and joining me as
always is Dakota.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And yeah, actually we are nuclear tested, but we're
also like we're full of oxygenguys and we're ready to be
destroyed.
Oxygen destroyed, that is, yes,oxygen destroyed.
So we're gonna be coveringGodzilla 1954, the original film
that started off the huge Kaijutrade.
Kaiju trade, we're gonna be.
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We're gonna be covering thefilm that started off the big
Kaiju craze, godzilla or Gojira,from 1954.
Obviously, we had, you know,king Kong that came out in the
30s, but from Japan's side ofthings, this was the big movie
that just stemmed that entirefranchise of Toho monsters, the
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universe that we love todayabout like giant monsters
fighting each other that allstarted here with Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Right, this is the movie that kicked off the
beloved giant lizard,radioactive lizard.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, so we're gonna be covering everything that we
can think of within an hour ofGodzilla, whether it comes to
the political or socioeconomicramifications of like what they
were trying to get across fromthat movie.
Yes to comparisons to newermovies, because I don't know
about you, anthony, but therewas a lot of parallels between
not only Godzilla, minus one,which we covered last week the
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monster verse.
Like there were certaincharacter names that were just
totally ripped from thisoriginal movie, that were
inserted in the monster versethat we're gonna talk about, and
we're gonna compare andcontrast all of the different
little things that make up thisoriginal movie.
But, anthony, before we startany of that, what have you been
up to lately?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, you know, you better not say persona.
I went to the theaters toactually watch this original
Godzilla movie.
No, I didn't, I did watchGodzilla 1954 and that was.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It would have been cool if you went to the theaters
.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
for that, though, that would have been insane.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, that would actually have been cool.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But it was really cool revisiting that movie.
I hadn't seen it in so long, soit was almost like rewatching
it again for the first time.
But also very similar becauseafter seeing Godzilla, minus one
.
But you know, other than that,that game that you know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
The game that we've decided you weren't gonna talk
about Absolutely.
It starts with a P, ends with aErsona.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
A P Ersona.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yes, persona three reload.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So for those of you and I'm not sure if you know
what persona three reload is,persona three reload is a remake
of persona three, which was outon PS2 and they had it out for
PSP, or no?
Yeah, it was on PSP because itwas persona three portable.
And then they came out withanother version that is called
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FES that adds like a whole otherprotagonist to it.
This took the base game andremade it, but it kept the core
story.
It kept a lot of the reallyyeah the story beats and the
characters.
Honestly, it's been a reallygood time.
I had played a little bit ofpersona three on a PSP but I
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didn't get too deep into it.
Especially when this wasannounced I was like, oh, let me
play this version and I do wantto go back and play the
definitive version of FES.
I think is the version that alot of people really love.
So I do want to go back andplay that eventually, maybe as
the other protagonist.
There's like a male and afemale protagonist in that, but
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persona three reload justfocuses on the male protagonist.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Cool, so I'm assuming you're enjoying it because you
know it's the big game thatyou're playing right now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, dude, how manytimes have I talked about
persona on this podcast?
Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
An abnormal amount of persona.
Discussion over the past coupleof years years plural.
So I'm a big fan of personafive royal especially.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I got my foot in the door with persona for golden, so
I've been a persona fan atleast since the PSV of the days.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So, as someone who is not familiar with these games
literally at all, is personafive royal the name of the game?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So there's persona five and then there's persona
five royal.
Royal is the updated version ofthe game where there's updated
visuals like avatars and minorthings, but then it adds a whole
extra character to it, thegroup within the game.
They're called the fans ofthieves.
They go into this metaverse andthat's where they fight all
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these creatures and it's likethe dungeon crawling portion of
the game.
And so this persona five royaladds a new Phantom Thief and
like an additional, I think like20 to 30 hours to the game.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you said you also mentioned persona for golden.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Is that the same concept?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yes, Like an additional aspect of persona for
.
Okay, all right, cool.
So persona three this is likean updated version of that
persona three game.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yes, Well, this one is majorly updated.
It's not like you're getting aremaster or minor updates.
The original was a lot of likekind of point and click type
until you actually got into thelike.
When you got to the actualdungeons you could actually walk
around and interact with stuff.
But everything else was kind oflike point and click and a lot
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of you know you would read andinteract with people in that
kind of way.
So this one updates it to makeit where you're kind of you're
running around, you'reinteracting.
The game is seen in more of a3d world than the 2d aspect that
this one would.
Original persona three was 2dand 3d, like you know some
segments and so yeah, this oneis like an overhaul.
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I wouldn't say it's.
It's not like Final Fantasy 7remake where they took Final
Fantasy 7 and expanded like thewhole.
The whole first part of FinalFantasy 7 remake is maybe a
couple hours in the original.
This one is closer to theoriginal game but they updated
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it to where it looks.
You know it's more modern.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So yeah, I've really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, it's really cool seeing how the game was and
then seeing how it is now.
Persona 3 is the most popularfor a lot of long term persona
fans, mostly because personathree is the game that really is
the mold for the rest of thepersona games.
But it's still tied to itsroots.
Persona is a spin off of aseries called Shin Megami Tensei
(06:59):
.
The roots of persona three is alot closer to Shin Megami
Tensei and some of those rootskind of leave the game as the
games go on.
But I don't think that'snecessarily a bad thing.
I just think that the personagames kind of established their
own identity and so they'rebreaking away from the Shin
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Megami Tensei, but they stillhave the heart of it.
Persona are these creatures inShin Megami.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, yeah, all right .
What is it available to play on?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So persona three reload.
It's available on all the majorconsoles.
It's not on the Switch.
I don't know if they've madeany announcements as far as
making a version of it for theSwitch, but it is for Xbox, it
is for PlayStation and it is onPC.
For the Switch, you can playthe original persona three,
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persona four golden and personafive royal.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay you can play the reloaded?
Is it because the graphicsengine available on the Switch?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm honestly not 100% sure, because the Switch runs
persona five royal prettydecently.
It's a lot more animated.
The graphics aren't really likeheavy.
It's not realistic.
It's not like you're trying toplay Final Fantasy 7 remake on
the Switch.
I think if you ever try to playa game like that on the Switch,
your Switch would probablyliterally explode.
(08:25):
So, maybe down the line we'llget that version on the Switch,
but At least you do have aversion of it that you can play
on the Switch.
Do you recommend?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
playing the first two games in the series before
jumping into three.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It's not necessary.
It's almost like the personagames are very similar to how
Final Fantasy is done, where theonly thing that's really
connecting them is maybe like acouple of characters, but it's
not connected story-wise.
Like you know, the protagonists, they're all different, the
stories are all different, theworld building is all different,
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but the personas are shared.
You know how Final Fantasy youhave Chocobos and all the magic
is like the same.
You might have the Mugles orwhatnot.
There's stuff that's sharedwithin this universe, but the
stories are different.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, all right, I'm thinking about.
I mean, you've been talkingabout it for so long.
Every time you say it, I'mthinking like maybe.
I should get into it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Hey, you might like it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, I might jump on like places in five.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, cool.
Do you recommend Persona 3Reloaded as a?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
starting point.
I mean it's so, it's so tough,because I know a lot of people
would say like yeah, definitely,definitely.
But I feel like the one thathas grabbed the most people is
Persona 5.
You know, because, like I don'tknow, have you heard of Persona
before, like outside of metalking about it?
No, no.
(09:57):
So I mean I've heard, so I knowpeople who have talked about it
, but like I never really knewabout Persona 3 and 4 until,
like you know, just by chance, Ipicked up Persona 4, golden for
the Vita, so that's somethingthat I didn't know.
It's almost like Monster Hunter.
Monster Hunter is very niche, Ithink, in a way, persona was
(10:20):
niche, but it's like kind ofgone to the forefront.
So maybe five, you know, fivemight be something that grabs
you a little bit more, but itall depends because, like
Persona 3 Reloaded is a lotdarker, theme-wise and there's,
you know, it even warns you inthe beginning about stuff like
bullying and you know, just likethat, there might be some
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sensitive things.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The disclaimers yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Those disclaimers, okay, allright, so I'll think about it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, definitely I'll see which one, but you would be
safe on jumping on either one.
You don't have to worry aboutmissing anything.
Story-wise.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right.
So if I jumped on Persona 4,golden, you'd be cool with that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's where I started, so perfect, cool.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Anything else you've been up to?
Ah, nah, man.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, just doing my thing, working on my stuff,
working on my projects,continuing to learn my web
development stuff.
You know it's a slow process,but it's getting there
Eventually.
I've told you many times I'dlove to build us a proper
website for our podcast and Ithink that's going to be my big
personal project when I actuallyget to a place to where I can
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do stuff either on my own or Iknow where to go to figure out
stuff.
But that's definitely somethingthat's on my heart.
I really, really want to dothat and I think it would be
cool.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I think that's important.
I think any creative goal,whether it's creating a website
or creating some sort of artpiece, writing regularly,
drawing regularly I think it's acool thing to work towards.
And, yeah, I think that thepodcast definitely needs a new
home.
Yes, besides just a hostingplatform, basically I think we
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need something a little bitstronger, a little more catchy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Absolutely Something that.
It's something that you know Iwant to establish.
And then when we actuallyupdate, when we release these
episodes, that it's you know.
I don't have to go in and addit every time.
It's like automatic, it's likeboom, it's there.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, definitely.
I think that's a super stronggoal, especially creatively.
I think that that is somethingthat is easily I mean all right,
it's not easily attainable,it's obviously a lot of work,
but it's a cool goal to have.
Eventually, I would like towrite a novel.
It's not going to happenovernight.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think eventually it probably will happen, you know,
if I keep writing regularly.
So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Definitely, that's kind of what I've been up to.
What about you?
What have you been up to?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I've been busying myself with work.
Otherwise I've been working onmy own projects for my
GeekRoutique YouTube channelSpecifically.
I think I spoke about it lastweek.
I'm pretty sure I have.
I'm working on the Monsterversetimeline.
I have pretty much done all ofmy timeline notes for pretty
much everything.
I've done all the films, allthe comic books that are tied
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into the Monsterverse, and nowI'm working on the TV shows.
I've finished the Netflixrelease, a single season of a
Kong anime show.
I've done all the notes forthat.
And now I'm working on theMonarch Legacy of Monsters,
season one, and I'm halfwaythrough with that.
I'm almost done with all thenote taking for the Monsterverse
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and then I can begin my writingprocess of the timeline.
That's kind of how my processworks For the most part.
I take all the notes that I canfirst, then I jump into writing
and then I record and startediting.
But for the Monsterverse, thiswas a more tedious project
because I've never taken anynotes for it.
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I've always just been anobserver and an enjoyer of the
movies, the shows, whatever.
So I had to go back and bemeticulous about like okay, I
want this to be mentioned in myvideo.
I don't want this to bementioned in my video.
So it takes a lot of work onthat end, which is not something
I'm used to because, like withMarvel, which I'm very in tune
with, like Okay, this is a veryimportant thing to write down.
(14:08):
I'll do that immediately, yeahyou know, that's just how my
brain is hardwired with Marvel,with other franchises.
I'm still kind of working myway up towards that so that I
can create big timeline videosthat have not only like one.
Like you know, I can easily saythis movie happens here, this
show happens here, this comichappens here.
But to have a narrative thatlike sweeps throughout all of
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that, that's a lot of work.
You know.
I have to really know my stufffor something like that.
So that's what I'm working onright now.
It's it's a long time coming.
I've been doing the notes forthis for a little over a month
at this point and I'm almostdone.
So I'm actually very excitedabout how this video is turning
out.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think it's gonna be a good one very nice man and
when that video comes out, we'lldefinitely plug it in the show
notes.
We already we have your YouTubein the show notes.
So if any of you all areinterested any new people coming
in, dad, they're interested inseeing your YouTube channel.
It's in the show notes.
Go check it out.
There's a lot of really coolstuff.
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Expert.
So you know you're officiallyunofficial, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I Appreciate it.
Should we jump into Godzilla?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Absolutely so, absolutely.
It was interesting going backand watching this movie because
you know they've definitely donea lot to Clean up the look of
it, especially like I watched iton max, and I know that
obviously, had I Seen this movieback then, the clarity of the
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picture wouldn't look like theway it was.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I see what you're saying, yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely gonethrough a couple of remasters
over the years.
The version on max actually isa version only available to
Criterion.
Oh yeah, it's in criterion acollection right.
Yeah, so the criterioncollection.
They make DVDs.
I mean, that's that's how theystarted.
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They find niche videos or, youknow, like movies that Don't
necessarily lend themselves tobig blockbuster release, that
are generally on the more artsyside of the entertainment value
that you know I get from.
You know movies and they theysign deals with the studios,
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with the directors, to Makephysical media for you know,
some of these films I have acouple.
I have like probably seven oreight on my shelf over there.
I have I'm looking at themright now I have citizen Kane, I
have a hard day's night, I havethe whole in drive twin peaks,
a couple of them.
I have a princess bride.
They're all like criterioncollection versions of those
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releases and Alongside them theyusually have, you know, a
couple like special DVD extrasthat you wouldn't normally get
on a normal DVD extra.
And I think that's that's kindof what sets criterion apart is
they really try to give you asmuch as as much value as
possible with each release,because the Godzilla stuff that
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we were streaming for Godzilla1954 was over max.
I don't know that they have anyof the extra stuff that would
normally come on Like acriterion DVD or that criterion
streaming service.
I'm happy that it was on max tobegin with, just in general,
just because we were able to youknow cover it for our you know
production of this episode, sothat that was really cool.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it was really cool and, man, you know, there's
a lot of things that kind ofwas sitting in my mind and that
I was a little excited to talkabout.
There was a lot about this filmthat While I was watching it,
you know, I kept on thinkingabout Godzilla minus one and it
really made me appreciateGodzilla minus one a lot more,
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because it showed that thecreators of that one really
appreciated the originalGodzilla and they, you know,
there was a lot that it feltlike.
Like I said, it was almost likewatching this movie again for
the first time, but there was alot familiar about it because we
had seen Godzilla minus one.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I totally agree.
And it's funny that you saidthat, because while I was
watching it yesterday, jen wasworking on her laptop for, you
know, for her job, for school orwhatever, and she was telling
me today that, like every timeshe looked up, she was just like
, oh, this scene reminds me ofGodzilla minus one, and I was
thinking that throughout theentire thing I was just like man
, is Godzilla minus one justkind of like a really modernized
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adaptation of the original 1954?
And I think it is in some ways,you know, I think it's meant to
be.
Obviously it's its own thing, Idon't think anyone's gonna, you
know, argue that but it is meantto emulate the feel, the terror
, the overall Sentiment ofpost-war Japan that you had with
the original film and somethingthat Really sat in my mind
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about the original is that youknow, yes, that movie definitely
has that post World War twofield.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know this original one and the insanity is
that everybody in that filmLived through that period, lived
through World War two.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I know this was not even ten years after the end of
it.
Yeah so let me put it this way,the people making this movie
were closer in time to the bombsdropping in Japan.
Then we are to Godzilla comingout in 2014, the Gareth Edwards
movie that we covered not solong ago.
It's just like to think aboutthat.
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Difference kind of puts timeinto perspective and the time
span of films and Hollywood andall that.
So, yeah, anyone going throughthis movie, anyone filming this
movie, anyone creating thismovie and experiencing it at
that time Would have thosememories of war, you know bombs.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
H bombs, yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
There's an interesting scene on the train
that a woman talks about.
She's like you know, I justbarely survived the bombing in
Nagasaki.
Now I have to deal with thisGodzilla thing.
I was like dude.
How many people in this filmactually had to survive actual
bombing stuff like how close tohome did that?
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You know, is this stuff hitting?
When they're talking about thispost-war stuff, they're talking
about Nuclear testing, h bombtesting.
You know, it's like dude.
It's insane how close to WorldWar two this movie was and how
much that war Influences me.
It's all.
It's written all over this.
It's so prominently Featured inthis movie because how close it
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was.
Man Dude, like that movie, dude, that movie it that movie after
World War two.
It was closer to World War twothan you and I are to high
school.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, dude, it's absolutely insane and I consider
myself a young person, like, Idon't consider myself like an
old Old-folky at this point.
But yeah, it's dude, it's nuts.
How much World War two iswritten all over this movie,
absolutely Even like.
There's one scene where there'sa mother and her two children
like, and they're cowering fromthe destruction that is Godzilla
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tearing through Tokyo, and shetells her kids will be with your
father soon.
And I'm just like, dude, that'sdeep, that's heavy, you know.
She's basically telling her kidswe're gonna die and it's gonna
be okay because we're gonna bewith your dad and that's dude it
.
I got choked up with it becauseI don't know how war feels.
I'm a 32 year old dude who'snever been through any type of
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battle like that.
But these people experiencethat firsthand with the fire
bombings and literally everyJapanese city outside of Kyoto,
as well as the nuclear bombs ofHiroshima and Nagasaki.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
There's no way anyone watching that movie in Japan
did not have that backgroundinformation going on at all
times and it's hard not to watchGodzilla and Think about how
it's directly influenced byWorld War two, because Godzilla
Really is.
I mean, he represents Nuclearpower.
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That's really what he was basedoff of, you know.
Yeah, that was the inspiration.
He's, this creature that wascreated by bomb testing in the
water and I thought it wasreally cool when Godzilla was
showing up and he's bringing upall these like little Trilobites
.
Yes, these were extinctmillions of years ago and Now
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these things are coming up inGodzilla's footprint.
What is down, and it's likelittle, like he's like in this,
like Ravine in the water or likevalid, like deep point in the
water.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Basically, like he's been dormant for so long that I
think, like Currently, ourunderstanding of like the
Godzilla mythology from prettymuch like a number of different
Mythologies that have popped upover the years, is that Godzilla
is an ancient creature thatExisted at a time when our
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atmosphere in general was muchmore nuclear and or like there's
much more radiation in theatmosphere, like prehistory
basically.
And I think that is the idea ofLike him bringing these ancient
fossils that are like 200million years old up as if they
were new creatures.
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You know, I think that he wasdormant for so long because
there was nothing radioactiveenough to wake him up until the
nuclear tests basically woke himup.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think that's what the what the story was trying to
say you know something that Iwas really impressed by the
acting in this movie.
Like it, you know you, like Isaid, it been a long time and
then you think Godzilla movieshad kind of been, you know, made
fun of Over the years thatyou're thinking that they're all
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kind of corny, when not all ofthem are.
But like you know, in thisoriginal, like you got some
really, really good acting, evenfor a Japanese film where
sometimes it could be a littleoverboard.
What some of the acting?
They weren't really all thatcrazy overboard.
They had some really, like youknow, serious scenes.
They Interacted.
It didn't seem over the top.
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I was really impressed how welleverything was acted out.
It made me think that even withthe way that they were able to
Scale things up with miniaturesand even with people with
Godzilla in the background, likethat they even were able to.
They had the technology andeven the thought process to like
be able to create this stuffReally like blew me away
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watching this.
Like I had such an appreciationfor the limited technology that
they had that they were reallyable to do a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I was really impressed by you know there was
a, there was a couple scenes.
I was really impressed by nowthat you bring it up in terms of
like how they were able tosuperimpose Two images onto each
other.
One of them, I mean there was,there was a couple when he was
walking through Tokyo and youcould see the people running in
the streets below and he was inthe distance and there was fire
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all over the city.
Yes excellent dude.
Like there was so many scenes,I was just like that's an album
cover right there, like that's,that's beautiful, like it looked
really good.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I was.
This movie really does hold upvery well and the fact that you
know it has been taken care of,you know you have like the
criterion collection, that likereally it just you know that and
with, yeah, like you said, youknow the what, what they're able
to do with you know, superimposing.
And you know, honestly, when Isaw Godzilla, you know obviously
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I chuckled a little bit but itreally did bring a smile to my
face because I was like this is,you know, godzilla.
You know this is a man in arubber suit right here.
This started at all.
I was like you know there was acouple moments where you like,
looking over the suit doesn'tlook amazing, but I guys still
love it, man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I still.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know, in his atomic breath was pretty much
just a blow dryer dude.
Yeah, I started laughing whenhe was doing it, like when he
was like doing the, but I wasimpressed because of, like you
know, he was doing that and thenthey were able to like give it
that melting like a fact and itlooked really yeah, I think they
were going more for likeradiation.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, holy, got that it glowed when he was blowing on
it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's like, yeah, it's not like I would call that
Definitely atomic breath.
It makes more sense to callthat atomic breath.
The current Godzilla definitelyshoots out like an atomic beam.
You know now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah for sure.
Yeah, and then when you come,when it comes to like the
legendary Monster verse stuff,it's more of like blue fire and
I'm sure there is some radiationinvolved in there, but yeah,
it's not the same as when itoriginally came.
One thing I was pleasantlysurprised by that I didn't
remember from the first time Iwatched this, was the opening
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credits.
I thought it was funny and alsokind of cool that they had like
different Roars from Godzillathroughout the opening credits
and they were playing the likethe theme song.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I meant to this.
I meant to this and it's.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's insane because you listen to the theme in that
movie and you listen to thetheme that they play and
Godzilla minus one, pretty muchidentical, except obviously
Godzilla minus one and it soundsa lot better, but it's
literally the same thing it'sthe same orchestration, it's the
same notes on the same paper.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's just a new recording.
Yeah, so that that wasimpressive.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
That was definitely impressive, you know it's a
shame that these people thatwere in the original film
couldn't see.
You know, maybe some of theyounger ones might have seen
Godzilla minus one, but it's sadthat a lot of people didn't get
to see like what they inspired,because Godzilla minus one you
have all these Godzilla movies,but Godzilla minus one is
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definitely a love letter to theoriginal Godzilla.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's some interesting parallels that I
think are more like thematic asopposed to like a one-for-one.
So like a one-for-one for me isthe obvious.
Like the reporters, yes, whenthey were reporting the
destruction of Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yes, dude, I thought it's the first thing.
First couple lines.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I thought they were this, the exact same like lines
from the original movie as inGodzilla minus one.
I was like this it seems likeit was like a one-for-one sort
of thing.
Yes, there were some thingschanged because they were on
like a tower versus like the topof a building.
But so, for those of you whodon't remember or who haven't
seen Godzilla minus one, there'sa scene where there are like
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four reporters, like one of themis capturing video, one of them
is capturing audio and one ofthem is actually talking into
the Microphone, is explaininglike what Godzilla is doing and
he's tearing through Tokyo andhe's destroying and leveling
buildings and Destruction isrampant.
We don't know if we're gonnaget out of here.
Blah, blah, blah.
They have that exact same scenein Godzilla 1954.
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It's on a radio tower insteadof the top of a building and I
don't remember what happens tothe radio crew in Godzilla minus
one.
But in Godzilla 1954, godzilla,you know, tears down the radio
tower and that's that for them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, the evacuation announcement was yeah
, like the same, absolutely thesame.
That's cool.
Yeah, man, like, like I said,watching through this film dude,
they, it really does it gave me, so, like I said, so much more
of an appreciation for Godzillaminus one, because I'm, like
dude, like they really took alot of inspiration from this
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film and the Godzilla andGodzilla minus one is Literally
the Godzilla in this movie, butobviously not like Lopsided
looking.
They, like you know, give themmore of a symmetrical look, but
the texture and like the look isso close to the original man
connection.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
An obvious like one-for-one connection between
Godzilla minus one and Godzilla1954 is Oda Island, which is a
fictional island.
We talked about it briefly onour last episode.
That's the island that has themythology or the legend of a
Godzilla type creature.
Yeah, I looked it up.
It's not an actual Japaneseisland, it's an island created
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for the 1954 film that on thatisland they have a legend of a
Godzilla type creature.
So it's not a new creature.
Godzilla isn't a new thing.
He's been around for a very,very, very long time and the
nuclear testing will come up.
That's basically the story ofOda Island and that's an easy
connection between Godzillaminus one and Godzilla 1954,
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because obviously Oda Islanddoesn't exist, but it exists in
both of these versions of themovies and both of these
versions of movies have thatlegend of an ancient creature
called Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So I think that's pretty cool and you know about
20 years later, you know, getOda, the creator of one piece.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
How can you forget?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, there's the connection right there, you
heard it here, folks Godzillaand one piece are connected by
this little piece of information.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I was actually just telling Jen, like we were having
dinner, we're at a Mexicanrestaurant and I was thinking
about like one piece and I'mjust like man, I stopped reading
the manga, I stopped watchingthe anime, but I have this
strong urge to watch one piece.
I have this strong urge tocontinue reading the story.
I know that the story getsbetter and different and it's
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it's stranger moving forward andI want to experience that.
So I went ahead and I orderedthe next five Volumes of the
manga should be getting themsoon.
But, yeah, I'm excited to jumpback into the one piece world
just because you know, I've beenfollowing like random, like
people on tech talk who are likefantasy Aficionados and people
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who've read one piece considerit amongst their top five
Fantasy stories ever and I wantto experience that.
You know, like I've onlyexperienced the East blue side
as of this point, like I haven'texperienced anything past East
blue or low town.
I haven't even gotten to lowtown technically.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Do you get to the Grand Line man?
Grand Line, that dude.
That's where Oda Island is.
You get to the Grand Line.
You get to Godzilla man.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Is that okay, All right.
Well, that's good, All right.
So Back back to God.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
There is actually a lot of large creatures when you
get there.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But yeah, yeah, no, I don't want to get back into one
piece like legit.
Like I've been thinking aboutit, it's been like in the back
of my head for a bit.
Now I'm excited to dive backinto that universe.
But we're talking about thattiller here.
We have a lot to talk aboutwith Godzilla.
There's a lot of scenes wherethey discuss his radio activity.
You know like everywhere hegoes they have to bring a Geiger
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counter to determine hisradioactive signature is or
whatever to make sure it's safeto be where he has been, and
that in itself is part andparcel of life.
After the nuclear bombs weredropped on Japan, because there
was a period after the end ofthe war where those two cities,
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hiroshima and Nagasaki, wereunlivable because of nuclear
fall.
Obviously that's not the casetoday.
They're very livable now.
It was a very short period oftime, but it was dangerous at
the time, you know, and thereare people around that area who
weren't directly affected by thebomb immediately had effects
later on.
So that was in the publicconsciousness at the time when
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this movie was coming out andthat's another one of those
things that this movie iscommenting on.
But the biggest commentary thatI can think of in terms of World
War II ramifications is nearthe end of the movie they really
start to dig into the oxygendestroyer as this next big super
weapon.
They mentioned A-bombs that'swhat was dropped on Hiroshima
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and Nagasaki.
They mentioned H-bombs, whichis the next big thing after
A-bombs.
H-bombs were never like droppedon any civilian cities or
anything like that, but theywere used in testing and they
tested all the way up throughthe 50s and 60s.
They even mentioned some of thetesting in the movie as like as
woke up Godzilla, dr Serizawa,a character who has a cool
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little eyepatch, creates what'sknown as the oxygen destroyer
and introduces it to Emiko,which they don't really explain
like their relationship too much, emiko and Dr Serizawa.
But it's kind of implied thatEmiko and Dr Serizawa were once
a thing or almost a thing, likethey were close enough where,
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like introducing Emiko's fiancéin Ogata was kind of weird, to a
point where they didn'tactually introduce themselves as
a couple to Dr Serizawa.
Emiko is introduced to DrSerizawa's oxygen destroyer in a
little contained test within afish tank and she freaks out
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because obviously that's a veryterrible power to be exposed to
and throughout the rest of themovie Dr Serizawa was very
adamant that he does not wantthis going out into the world.
And you know, in 2024, watchingthis, in 2024, post Oppenheimer,
post Godzilla minus one, I haveto like use that knowledge or
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preconception of what it wouldbe like to create a weapon of
this magnitude in a movie likethis and I think that's what
they were commenting on like, drSerizawa was kind of an
Oppenheimer type character where, like he didn't want his bomb
to blow up civilians, he wasdoing it because he could.
He was doing it because it wasthe next step in scientific
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knowledge.
It was a breakthrough, but whenit came down to using it to
take out life, that wasobviously something Oppenheimer
did not want.
You know if you watch the movieyeah he kind of drew the line
there.
He was very adamant that maybewe should, you know, stop.
He tried to stop the militaryat that point with Godzilla 1954
, dr Serizawa tried to stopanyone from even knowing that he
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was working on this device,because he realized the effects
that the A bomb, the H bomb, hadon the global socioeconomic
system where, like, just becausethey use that, that changed the
world forever.
Like, they realized at thatmoment that every superpower in
the world is going to try toattain that power and they're
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going to leverage it againsteach other.
And that's what ended uphappening with the Cold War,
even after this movie wasreleased, you know.
So, at this point in 1954, whenthe Soviet Union was still
fairly weak comparatively tolike when they were like the 60s
, 70s and 80s, the directors ofthis movie had the foresight to
like, really dig into thatmindset of, like, what would
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happen if we created a bombthat's even worse than the H
bomb.
And that's what they kind ofdid with the opposite of
destroyer.
They didn't want that gettingout into the world.
And I think that's such a coolnarrative, you know, it's just
like we saw firsthand what abomb could do on our domestic
soil.
We don't want to be the creatorof the next big thing right,
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that's dope.
Destroy all his notes and stuffon it too yeah, and I think Dr
Serizawa is probably the mostinteresting character of this
movie for a number of reasons,not just because of that.
Obviously, he's the one who hasthe plot device that ends the
threat, so that's interesting inand of itself, but when it
comes to a parallel between thismovie and Godzilla minus one
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and this movie and Legendary'sMonsterverse, there's a lot to
talk about when it comes to DrSerizawa, because he sacrifices
his life to destroy the monster,but in Godzilla minus one, the
main character does notsacrifice himself, even though
he wants to.
He plans to.
He does not, though, and Ithink that's the big difference
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between Godzilla minus one andGodzilla 1954 is that, like,
life is valuable, there's nopoint giving it up even though
there is a desire for thisweapon, the oxygen destroyer, to
not get out there, he didn'twant to use it on life 100
percent.
I think in the context of thismovie it makes more sense for
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him to take his own life,because he's afraid that some
other organization is going toget him and use his knowledge to
create another one of thesedevices which is valid?
I mean honestly in that timeprobably yeah, I 100% agree with
with that sentiment and Iunderstand his fear about, like
it being used for, you know,something other than destroying
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a giant lizard creature.
But let's talk about if, ifyou'll allow me, dr Serizawa
versus the Dr Serizawa of themonsterverse yeah so I think
that's a really interestingcomparison because, for those of
you who remember Dr Serizawa inthe first Godzilla movie
Godzilla 2014, the firstAmerican version of this you
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know what I'm talking about.
Godzilla 2014, they had a DrSerizawa.
He was famously quoted as likelet them fight.
You know, he was the guy whotold the US army to basically
let Godzilla fight the Muto'sthe Muto's because he knew that
Godzilla could win and he's likea natural balance for nature
and all that.
Well, in Godzilla king of themonsters, which is the third
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movie, so Godzilla 2014 andthere's Kong skull island and
then there's Godzilla king ofthe monsters.
In that movie, a rogue partyreleases King Ghidorah, or they
call it monster zero.
In this movie, they releaseRodin and they release Mothra.
Blah, blah, blah.
It culminates a big monsterfight.
But there's a point in themidway point of the movie where
the US army uses an experimentalweapon known as the oxygen
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destroyer to blow up Godzillaand King Ghidorah.
Only Godzilla is like mortallyaffected by this bomb called the
oxygen destroyer, which isobviously a parallel to the
original 1954 film.
But the interesting thing aboutthat is that Dr Serizawa did
not want him to be blown up.
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He did not want him to use theoxygen destroyer on Godzilla.
There's a parallel between DrSerizawa and Godzilla where in
the original 1954 film, drSerizawa sacrifices himself to
explode the bomb in front ofGodzilla, killing both him and
Godzilla.
But in the newer movie, the 2019movie Godzilla King of the
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Monsters, to bring Godzilla backin action, after the oxygen
destroyer, the Monarch teamdives into Godzilla's lair the
earth's crust basically and theyrelease a nuclear bomb.
Dr Serizawa himself walks up toGodzilla to basically like,
ignite this nuclear bomb, whichis what Godzilla feeds on.
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So it's actually something thatwill like basically wake him up
.
Dr Serizawa in the 2019Godzilla King of the Monsters
actually sacrifices himselfusing a bomb to wake Godzilla up
, versus Dr Serizawa blowinghimself up to kill Godzilla in
1954.
I just think that parallel issuper cool and it's all based
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around the oxygen destroyer.
Did that make sense, see?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
no, no, no.
I think that's really cool andyou know, it's been a while
since I had seen those moviesand even longer since I had seen
this.
So honestly, I wouldn't evenhave been able to put two and
two together.
But if I had watched thosemovies again then I would have
been like, oh my gosh.
I remember this from theoriginal.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, it's just cool that, like Dr Sarawazawa of the
1954 film is there to blowhimself up as well as Godzilla,
versus the 2019 version of DrSarawazawa is there to blow
himself up to resuscitateGodzilla.
You know, it's almost like a,it's like a roundabout.
Thank you in a way.
I don't know.
I haven't even explained it,but it's cool.
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It's a cool parallel.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, no, that definitely is.
That's cool and I'm glad thatyou brought that up, because it
really shows how much thisoriginal movie has permeated
throughout these different filmsand you know, I mean 2014, one
obviously kicked off a monsterverse, you know, kind of its own
contain universe, whereas, likeall these other Godzilla movies
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were kind of like one offs oryou know like very small, like
not like a universe in this kindof way, Though I mean, we have
had, you know, Godzilla versusKing Kong.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, so the early Toho films, like up until the
late 70s, they were all oneuniverse, starting from like
Godzilla 1954 up and I thinkit's the late 70s, and then
there was like a 12 year periodwhere they didn't do anything.
And then in the 90s theystarted it up again where there
was like a new universe.
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More recently, within the past20, 25 years, all the Japanese
films have been one off stories.
If I remember correctly,godzilla minus one is one of
those one off stories, just likeShin Godzilla is so on and so
forth.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
It's definitely, like I said, man watching through
this film really gave me anappreciation for the series.
Like you said, you know there'sbeen some really good movies and
then there's been some doozies,but I'm glad that this movie
that kicked off the Gojiraseries and the Kaiju, the whole
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genre, really, you know, yeah,exactly that it was a strong
start and it went from anywherefrom the man in the rubber suit
to the people you know, justeverybody Like it really seemed
that they really put their allinto this movie and I applaud
them even more because, dude, ithadn't even been a decade since
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World War Two happened.
10 years is not enough time toclean up all of that.
They're still dealing with adevastation from World War Two
and the fact that a film likethis, that time kicked off an
entire genre, a character thatis transcended and just it's
relevant.
It was relevant with ourgrandparents and it's relevant
(44:27):
now today.
You know, to us, we all knowthese characters, it's something
that's just going to keep goingand it's insane how you could
ask anybody.
Everybody's going to know whoGodzilla is.
You could live in a cave yourwhole life and still know
Godzilla, godzilla.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I was even thinking, like in the intro, before they
even showed any footage of themovie, they had like the credits
of the movie, there was like aplaylist of the different roars
that he did throughout the movie.
It all sounded like Godzilla,like the Godzilla that we know
and love today.
It's crazy how much nothing haschanged.
I mean even the scales on hisback when he would like do his
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atomic breath, even those lit up.
It's just like the basic DNA ofthis giant, angry creature has
stuck around for almost 70 years.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Dude, the look of Godzilla has practically stayed
the same too.
I mean, they've obviouslyupdated the look, but you know
and we've had a couple, you knowthey try to change him a couple
of times.
You know that one AmericanGodzilla movie where they try to
make.
Godzilla slash.
It was like a T-Rex slashGodzilla.
I don't know what they weregoing on.
But I mean for the most part forthe most part it's just been
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this bipedal lizard creaturething that has looked the same,
almost like chunky destructiveforce dude, like I mean you look
at Godzilla now and you look atGodzilla in the legendary
universe and it's the same, justnot a man in a rubber suit and
updated graphics, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
What's cool is that, like you can take someone who's
like you can take someone fromthe 50s who's just watched this
Godzilla movie and you put theminto 2014, 2019, whatever.
There was a Godzilla movie thatwas recent.
There's no way that they thinkthat that's a different monster.
It's just like a bigger, betterversion of it.
This is the original, this isthe one that all of this is
based off of, and I think that'sso cool.
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I agree, man.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
There's one shot that I wanted to talk about briefly.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
There's a scene where they had like 300 Asian
schoolgirls singing.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oh, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
And it takes like the scene you know it kind of like
spends a whole minute panningthrough the room as these girls
sing and I'm just like what abeautiful shot, because it's one
take.
So there's a couple shots inthis movie that like are weirdly
cut.
So there's a couple of sceneswhere, like Emiko in particular,
like you can tell they likespliced two cuts together.
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Emiko being the girl in themovie you can tell that they
spliced two cuts togetherbecause it'd be like she would
be looking sad.
And then the next scene, likeliterally less than a second
later she'd be like screamingand crying and there was a
couple like jump cuts like that.
That just didn't work, butmaybe they worked back in the
50s.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Today they wouldn't work.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know it would be bad editing today.
Even that, like seeing thatearly in the film, I was just
like the editing is going to bekind of blah.
It's not going to really allowme any.
But seeing the scene with, like, all the schoolgirls singing
and it was just panning throughthem slowly as they sang this
song to, like you know, upliftJapan in this dark time yeah, I
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was really touched.
Dude it was.
It looked beautiful, Like itwas clean.
It was clearly on like a dollyin a way that like there was no
shaky camera or anything.
It was just like it felt like avery modern scene, like a
long-take modern scene, and Ithought that was so cool.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, I thought that there's that one scene that was
really interesting, remember,like Island was being attacked
and it looked like a monsoonthat was going on, but it was
Godzilla dude.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
They did a really good job of like creating
monsoon effects.
Yes, A model village, becausethat's where it is.
It was a model village thatthey were destroying Dude.
It looked great, Like it was.
It was crazy, Even like some ofthe ships that they had like
bobbing up on the water andbeing destroyed slowly.
I was really impressed by it.
There's even some shots wherethey had the Japanese Navy
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clearly bomb the water and theyfilmed that.
I don't know if you noticedthat Like they're like oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
They were like obvious realbombs in the water which I was
like not expecting at all.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
And, considering the fact that they had a limited
budget, they had to create thisfilm essentially about
destruction, which there's a lotthat goes into that.
You know they had constraintswith making this film.
It wasn't an easy film to make,but they did it, man.
They overcame whatever they had.
I'm not going to like you knowcrap on it, obviously, but
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obviously some of the budgetdidn't go into the suit, but I
love it anyway.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know, what I was surprised by talking about
budget is like all the extrasthat were involved in this movie
.
Like there was a lot of extras.
After the village is destroyed,there's the scene I think it
was after the village isdestroyed and it was like before
.
But there was a scene where,after a couple of ships have
been destroyed, there's like agroup of like 100, 150 people on
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the beach like looking out atthe water, and I'm just like
that's a lot of extras that theyjust got for this scene.
And there's another scene inTokyo when it's being destroyed
that you see, just like hundreds, hundreds of people like moving
all at once, and I'm just likethey literally got a whole
village to act for this movie.
Like how did they do that?
I'm consistently like surprisedby like old films like this.
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Like how do they manage suchhuge groups?
And it's impressive.
I'm glad we did Godzilla 1954.
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was nice, like I said, going back
and and being able to watch thisfilm and just really being
delighted to see that there's alot about it that does hold up
and it starts off strong.
Man, it starts off this seriesvery strong.
It doesn't just throw Godzillaright at you, it builds up to
Godzilla just like Godzillaminus one, like it.
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I mean, you do get Godzilla inthe beginning in that one, you
know, but when he's younger,like you know, like a smaller
Godzilla, but it builds up tolike the actual Godzilla that we
know throughout the film andthat's what this original does.
You know You're hearing a lotabout Godzilla, you know you
have that moment where he kindof like pops his head over that
mountain like people wererunning from him.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
He's like it looks really funny, but it was also.
It was also kind of cool, yeah,yeah yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You know, it was like in that moment I'm like you
know, got those like popping up,like hey, what y'all doing over
there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Anthony, what do you say?
We continue our giant monsterdiscussion next week, maybe not
with Godzilla, but maybe withanother movie, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
All right, we will cover the Phantom of the Opera.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'm 100% down.
Speaking of Phantom of theOpera, no joke.
Maybe about a month or two ago,my wife Jen watched Phantom of
the Opera.
I think it was 2003 movie.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
I remember when y'all had that like soundtrack on
repeat.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Dude, it's a good movie like.
It's actually like really goodJen had, only she'd never seen
it before.
But anyway, I'm thinking morelike giant monster, not just
like you know.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
You know small Phantom.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
about Kong Skull Island, the 2017 film, the
follow-up to Godzilla 2014, butit's about Kong instead of
Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I suppose, man, I suppose, no, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, definitely that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, all right, let's keep this.
Let's keep this monster jamrolling, this monster mash, you
know.
I could see it in Anthony'sface that like ice and monster
mash before he was able to sayit and he was pissed.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's like Dakota beat me to the punch, you know All
right, guys.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Thank you so much for listening to us here at Project
Geekology for our 70th episode,all about Gojira 1954.
Next week we're going to becovering Kong Skull Island, the
2017 film by Legendary and Toho.
We're very excited about that.
Just to jump into anothermonster.
But yeah, anthony, anythingelse to say about Godzilla 1954.
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?
Speaker 1 (52:48):
If y'all are Godzilla fans and you haven't seen this
film or haven't seen it in awhile, definitely go watch it or
revisit it.
It's a delight to see.
It's a delight just to watchthe movie that kicked it all off
and honestly didn't just kickoff the whole Godzilla series,
but kicked off the entire giantmonsters fighting each other era
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the series, the Kaiju'sfighting.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, 100%, and I couldn't say it any better
myself.
So, yeah, definitely check outGodzilla 1954.
If you have Max the streamingservice, if you have that, it's
available there as well as anumber of Godzilla movies.
They have a whole bunch of ohyeah, so many.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I was like, oh my gosh, I was scrolling through
that.
I was like, oh my gosh, dude,there's so many Godzilla movies.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
There's more Godzilla movies than I remember there
being, but, yeah, definitelycheck them out, specifically
that first one, because it'sprobably considered among the
best, and for good reason.
But anyways, we will see younext week for our 71st episode,
specifically Kong Skull Island.
So be there or be square.
If you want to check outanything outside of the podcast,
be sure to check our show notes, where we have all of our
(53:53):
socials individually and youknow as like the podcast socials
and stuff.
So follow us there and we'llsee you next time.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Alrighty bye.
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