Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)

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The fourth trip to Hogwarts should feel bigger, bolder, and a little bit dangerous... and that’s exactly where our conversation goes. We crack open Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire to ask why the book’s expansive scope soars while the movie’s world-building sometimes skims. Think missing Quidditch World Cup spectacle, a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it introduction to Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, and a Yule Ball that reveals more about teenage insecurity than the film gives it time to process. When the story grows up, not every scene survives the squeeze.

We dig into character choices that define the adaptation. Brendan Gleeson’s Mad‑Eye Moody is a masterclass in look and presence, but the Barty Crouch Jr. twist sharpens every “helpful” gesture into manipulation on rewatch. Dumbledore’s famously calm question turns confrontational on screen, shifting the headmaster’s essence in ways later films quietly undo. Ron’s jealousy lands as one note, while Neville finally gets time to shine, especially when the Cruciatus demonstration brushes against the truth of his parents. The Pensieve earns its place as a narrative hinge, even if the movie drops key threads like Rita Skeeter’s Animagus reveal.

And then there’s the graveyard. Ralph Fiennes’s Voldemort is operatic and chilling, a rebirth that reframes everything that came before. “Kill the spare” isn’t just a shock; it’s the moment the series announces that choices have a cost. We weigh the thrills of the expanded dragon chase against lost texture, debate the fairness of the lake task, and consider how a longer-form remake could restore the connective tissue that made the book sing.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Howdy y'all.
Welcome back to ProjectGecology.
This is uh one-third of yourhosts.
My name's Dakota, and I'm joinedas always with Anthony.

SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
And joining us as always is good old Crazy Rich.

SPEAKER_02 (00:15):
And we're not covering Red Dead Redemption
today.
We're actually coveringsomething that, for whatever
reason, whenever we cover thistopic, it's very hard to set a
podcasting time.
So let's hope everything goeswell in the recording.
Because last time we did a HarryPotter episode, we had to record
a couple times, and we kepthaving to push it off, and we
called it the curse of prisonerof Azkaban.

(00:36):
But um, hopefully this does notcontinue for Goblet of Fire.
But we are your tri-wizardchampions, Dakota, Rich, and
Anthony.
We're all from Ilver Morning,the American school.
It was a very confusingTri-Wizard matchup.
No other schools attended.
But we're gonna do our best.
And yeah, Goblet of Fire.

(00:56):
We're specifically covering themovie, not necessarily the book,
but we can talk about the bookor whatever, you know, like our
thoughts on the books andeverything.
But yeah, let's jump into it.
Before we do any of that though,what have you guys been up to
this past week?
Uh Anthony, let's start withyou.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
Nothing too really, really not much, to be honest
with you.
I've I did cook for a potluckyesterday.
That's why we're uh meeting uplater in the week to record.
We usually record on a Wednesdayand we're recording on a Friday.
But yeah, I made some pumpkinpie cheesecake bars, and then

(01:33):
they came out like actuallyreally good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35):
Wait, what'd you what'd you make?

SPEAKER_03 (01:36):
Pumpkin pie cheesecake bars.
Like you cut them into likesquares, yeah.
What happened?

SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Were they dry?
Were they juicy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:47):
Man, you know, they were crunchy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
So, you know, I had there's a little bit of uh, you
know, crunch there.
Not really, but you know, just alittle bit.

SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
That's excellent.
Well, just like Anthony'sdessert treats were crunchy and
partly juicy, I request of youlistener, humbly, for a
five-star juicy slash crunchyreview.
Please, you know, whereveryou're listening to your podcast
app, whether it's a new podcastapp, whether you've reviewed us
on another podcast app, let'ssay you listen to us regularly

(02:28):
on Apple, you decide to listento us on Google or Audible or
Spotify.
You can review us there.
Give us another five-star juicyreview.
Or a crunchy one.
The choice is yours, and theentire English language is at
your disposal here.
So have fun.
And yeah, Anthony, that soundslike a really awesome potlock.

SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty good, man.
But yeah, no, that and watchingobviously watching Harry Potter.
I should've jumped on HogwartsLegacy, you know, to like really
get into the mood, but I didn't.
But I may after this, I mean west we do still have another
three films after this, so youknow, what which yeah, it's

(03:10):
crazy that it's like take howmany years for us to actually
like get to the fourth film.
Four films.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
Four films.
Because they split seven times.
Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (03:19):
That's true.
I mean, if we decide to likebreak it up into two separate
podcasts, yeah, I guess I guessyou're right, yeah.
But I mean it is it is fourfilms though.
But yeah, uh, how about you,Rich?
What have you been up to besidesRed Dead Redemption?

SPEAKER_04 (03:35):
Well, let's see, I I was, you know, I was in oblivion
for a little bit.
Fallout released the uh Fallout4 anniversary edition, which I
didn't pick up.
I just have the Fallout 4 PS5edition, and basically the
anniversary edition is the samething, but it comes with
creation club items that you canadd now to the game, and it also

(04:01):
comes with all the DLC, but it'slike they wanted to pay like$70,
so I actually just booted it up,and with my new TV, it's
honestly it's so nice, like it'ssuch such a different different
experience.
Like I really, really enjoyedit.
And then uh I actually justgotta I don't know, I had been

(04:22):
playing the Switch a little bit,but uh my son ended up taking
over, and my wife and son arenow playing Animal Crossing like
every single day on the Switch.
So despite the fact that he hasa Switch 2, he's now
commandeered the Switch 1 again.
It's unfair.
So I decided to pick upAstrobot.

SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
And I'm yeah, how did how did how does that work?
Wait, why did he grab the firstswitch again?

SPEAKER_04 (04:44):
So what happened was I bought my wife Animal Crossing
because I thought that she wouldreally, really enjoy the game.
So she was hesitant to kind oflike at first she was kind of
making fun of it and like shewas trying to do it late at
night and doing the setup, andeveryone knows the setup is like
the worst in like these types ofgames, you know, you have to
kind of go through like thecharacter creation thing.

(05:04):
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry to theaudio listeners, but Dakota's
now turned into an AnimalCrossing type avatar on the
screen, and I got it's justadorable and distracting at the
same time.
But anyway, they sorry aboutthat.
Yeah, yeah.
So what happened was I got itfrom my wife, and my son is

(05:27):
like, ooh, what's that?
What's that?
What's that?
I want to see that.

SPEAKER_02 (05:31):
That's a shiny, that's a shiny and Anthony's a
panda.
Um, this is ridiculous.
You guys gotta stop.
Animal Crossing was like so funwhen like COVID first happened
and everyone was just home forlike months at a time.
I that was the time to do it,you know.
Like you had celebrities playingalongside uh like you know
normal people.
There's a great story of likesomeone showing like the turnip

(05:55):
prices on their islands onTwitter, and Elijah Wood was
just like, May I visit yourisland?
And they're like and and they'relike, sure.
So Elijah Wood was like verykind and like saying, I like
your island a lot.
Anyway, that was it was fun.
Um so yeah, so yeah, that'sthat's cool, man.
That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Yeah, just uh Yeah, no, for sure.
And yeah, I mean you could youcould you could still play it on
the Switch too.

SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
No, but I think they they're playing like two player.

SPEAKER_04 (06:24):
What I was no, they're actually not, they're
just playing one player.
So what happened literally wasmy wife started the game and
Charlie's like, ooh, what'sthat?
So now like they kind of play intandem.

SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
So like they could they could go to each other's
islands, you know.
That that is a thing.

SPEAKER_04 (06:40):
Oh, but then they we'd but we'd need another
cartridge or another game.
Oh, because we only we only haveone copy of the game.
So literally, it was supposed tobe like Charlie doesn't use the
switch anymore.
Right, so here you can play iton this, and then he was like,
Wait, this is amazing.
Let's play it together.
But uh, it's great, and then Igot Astrobot uh this week.

(07:03):
I like the visual distractionthat I'm getting right now,
guys.
It's like I'm really workinghard.
This is like being in theclassroom.
Alright, I'm sorry.
Like I had last week I had a kidin the back of the room who just
kept instead of you know, I'llhey guys, you understand this?
You know, I'll I'll ask for acheck for understanding during
class, and everyone's like theynot in agreement.

(07:25):
He just started going like this,like no, no, I'd be like, All
right, you guys got understand?
And he'd be like, No, right?
But inaudibly, he wasn't sayingno out loud, so nobody else saw
him do this.
So it was just like he wasmessing with me.
I cannot understand what'shappening.
Everybody on this podcast isvisually trying to disrupt me

(07:46):
from anything.
I'm sorry.
I would just say you guys shouldget if you get a chance.
I got Astrobot.
And uh I just I wanted a changeof pace game.
Uh, you know, I've been playinga lot of these games that are
very similar, many by Bethesda,and I just wanted something
different.
And it's it's really a blast.
It brings a smile to my face.

(08:07):
Like it, you know, I'd beenplaying Mario Odyssey, and then
I kind of switched over to this,and it's it's fantastic.
Highly recommended.

SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
Excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent,
excellent.
You did a whole lot.

SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
You did, you did.
Was there anything else that youhad going on?
Or were you ready to move onover to what Dakota's been up
to?

SPEAKER_04 (08:25):
I think we can uh go to the flu the flu powder and uh
just zip over to Dakota and seewhat he was up to.

SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Heck yeah, brothers.
Um yeah, so I finished my secondaliens timeline video.
That was fun.
If you want to go check thatout, you have the ability.
It is in the description of thisvideo.
Um and I think it's pretty good.
I think a lot of what wediscussed on the podcast for

(08:54):
aliens as well as Alien Earth istouched on a little bit in my uh
dissection.
I really enjoyed the video.
Yeah, I I I I enjoyed making thevideo.
And it was very nice having abrand new computer.
You know, I was working with anwhen I bought my last computer,
it wasn't like a bad computer,but it was like last year's

(09:15):
mid-tier model, but that waslike a decade ago.
So I got I had a 2015 computerthat was barely scraping by with
4K footage.
And now I decided to splurge,and I can do like so much with
this computer at the same time.
Like it's not even before Iwould be I would have to like
have Premiere, my video editingapp, open, close that, go into

(09:38):
Photoshop, make a littlethumbnail.
It would take ages for things toload, for apps to open.
Now I can do like I I can encodevideo on like three or four
different apps, maybe not threeor four, but like handbrake,
media encoder, premiere.
I can do all of that at the sametime and still jump over to like

(09:58):
Photoshop and whatever.
What would take me two to threehours to export previously takes
like five minutes?
So it's like 20 times faster.
It's it's ridiculouslyridiculously fast.
I actually thought it was great.
Like I thought I was exportingit wrong.
Um, you aren't used to that.

(10:20):
I wasn't used to that kind ofspeed.
And I I feel like I have barelytapped the potential of this
beauty.
So I'm I'm excited.
The future is potentiallybright.

SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (10:31):
Um I started reading Watchmen again.
I just had a whim.
I just had a whim, you know.
I think I saw an image of Dr.
Manhattan, and I was just like,huh, let me pull it off my
shelf.
And yeah, uh still good, stilljust mind-blowingly good,
execution-wise.
And what else?

(10:51):
Oh, and a weird weird thing.
I know like this is going topotentially maybe not with you
know YouTube, but uh it'll bepotentially controversial to
some of our audience.
I listened to the MichaelRosenbaum uh who plays Lex
Luther in Smallville podcast,where he featured Allison Mack.

(11:12):
Obviously, Alison Mack had thehuge weird sex cult scandal like
years ago or whatever.
She was in prison for a coupleyears.
She's out now, she's still onlike probation and stuff.
And I was listening to that, notnecessarily like wanting to
forgive her.
Um it's not my place to forgivein the first place.
So I it was just like, I justwant to know, you know, like

(11:33):
what what makes someone do this?
What how do you go from being,you know, a star on Smallville
to you know an actual criminal?
And it was sad.
Like, I there were times wherelike my eyes were all watering
while I was working and I waslistening to this podcast, and I
was just like, dang man, I feelso bad.

(11:53):
And it's not like she's fishingfor an apology, she's not or
she's not fishing for likeforgiveness or anything in it.
She's actively telling you likeshe did something wrong, and
it's so hard to listen to.

SPEAKER_03 (12:05):
Well, I mean, I feel like with the amount of like
documentaries we have out thereon different cults.
I'm not trying to give ajustification, but I'm trying to
say that you know, where a lotof people would be like, Oh, you
know, I wouldn't fall for that.
The thing is, is that a lot ofthese cults they take a weakness

(12:26):
in somebody's life and you know,they find some way to give that
person meaning and then that'swhen that's when things start to
spiral.
That's when like the true faceof things start to show.

SPEAKER_02 (12:39):
So, you know, it's yeah, you know, it's also uh it
the conversation doesn't gohere, but uh like the the
podcast doesn't really touch on,you know, like the purpose of
prison being rehabilitation, butonce you get out of prison where
and what can you really do?

(12:59):
Because most jobs won't takeyou, you're never gonna have the
same life that you had again.
And it's sad hearing, you know,like she she just finds joy in
like improv now, like that's allshe can do because she's never
gonna be called by Hollywoodagain, you know.
Like that's she's burned thatbridge, and it's it's tough
because she's actually afantastic actress.
I think of the original cast ofthe Smallville crew, she's

(13:22):
definitely among the top two orthree best actors on that show.
And it's tough, it's toughwatching, but it kind of sucks,
and I feel like that's aconversation not a not enough
people have or are willing tojustify.
Like there's we live in a asociety that's so willing to
just punish, but the wholereason we're punishing them is

(13:45):
so that they can potentially getbetter.
That's the whole point ofrehabilitation, yeah.
And like nobody nobody wants theforgiveness aspect of that.
And I'm not saying that she'sworthy of forgiveness or
anything like that.
I'm just saying it sucks that wecan't have that conversation,
and I'd suck.
Yeah, it was just it was a hardthing to listen to.
So I I do recommend it.
I think just just to hear thattestimony of like how you can

(14:07):
potentially fall into somethinglike that is is eye-opening.

SPEAKER_03 (14:11):
Yeah, well, I mean, if anything, you know, what we
can do is link it to the pod,you know, since you talked about
it.
So um sure.

SPEAKER_02 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean, it we we could do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
And and also, what was it?
Yeah, send it over to us.
So, you know, I'm I'm definitelyinterested in listening to that.
I mean, I love obviously, like II love listening to podcasts.
You know, look, we're recordingone right now, so I mean,
obviously, I like to listen tothem too.
So, yeah, I'd like to listen tothat.

SPEAKER_04 (14:39):
Wait a minute, two things.
First, these are recorded.
Second, I still think Lana's thevillain.
Alright, uh that's that's all Ihave to say on that whole
matter.
I'm still I'm sticking to likeif you guys are loyal listeners,
you know that I've always saidLana's the villain, and uh, I'm
gonna stick by my story.

SPEAKER_02 (14:57):
I'm like uh in the beginning of season five at this
point, and uh Clark has justregained his powers after having
or like after losing them for acouple episodes, and now he's
just like, Well, now this personthat I love most in the world, I
can never tell my true self to.
And it's just like, shut up, getover yourself.
Anyway, she trusted you with oneof those like stones, those like

(15:20):
mystical stones.
Like, why can't you just trusther with a little bit of just
don't tell her the whole truthif you want?
You just say, hey, I gotsuperpowers.
It sucks.

SPEAKER_04 (15:29):
When they one day you guys will finish that
series.
But yes, let's uh let's hop onlet's hop on our broomsticks and
just kind of zip off into theworld of Hogwarts.

SPEAKER_02 (15:41):
Accio Firebolt.
Alright.

SPEAKER_03 (15:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (15:45):
This is uh interesting I I have an
interesting relationship withthis movie in terms of like I
don't enjoy it as much as Ienjoy the rest.
It's probably my least favoriteof the movies.
It's not my least favorite ofthe books, obviously, it's a
very good book.
And it's in the books whereRowling goes from middle grade

(16:08):
to YA territory in terms of thematurity level in uh of the
actual narrative.
And I think that that was youknow the books never really, you
know, hid any types of uh themesfrom you prior to this point.
You know, they they're veryRowling always trusted her
readers to understand deepthings, even if it's aimed at

(16:31):
children, you know, and I thinkthat that's what makes Harry
Potter such a fantastic bookseries, and it just hit like
lightning in a bottle when itcame out because it trusted the
reader more than publishersthought readers were
trustworthy, you know.
Like I don't know how to wordwhat I'm trying to say, but what
I love about Goblet of Fire isit takes it f to the next level.

(16:53):
Obviously, like Rowling reacheda a point in her career where
she was uneditable, so like it'sjust she she could write as much
as she wanted and they wouldpublish it.
And I think the next book is thelongest of the of of all of
them, Port Dirt of the Phoenix.
I I like that it matured withthe audience, but for some
reason the adaptation for thisone falls flat to me.

(17:15):
There's certain aspects of themagic and the world that just
and there's a lot I like aboutit by the way.
I don't dislike this movie, it'sjust my least favorite, but
yeah, there's a lot of magicthat I feel was apt from the
reading of the book.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (17:28):
So I would say that like book wise, this was
probably my favorite.
Because like this was like thefirst time that it really opened
up the world of Harry Potter.
We got more of like, oh, there'sdifferent schools that bring in
these different schools.
Oh, they've got this, you know,it this like whole, you know,

(17:51):
they add to the lore of HarryPotter.
There's this like tradition ofthis tournament that the schools
always participate in.
So I always thought that thatwas really cool.
And like you said, there's a lotwith the magic in this one.
Something that disappoints me alittle bit in this movie is the
fact that they cut out prettymuch the entire Quitt World Cup.

(18:13):
Like you get like just thismuch, but in the book, it's so
much more they really expandedon that in the books.
And so I I know it's like, oh,it's the the Quittish World Cup,
but like it would have been coolto see a little bit more of
that.
Like they just kind of cut tothe Death Eaters attacking.

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
How does how does uh how does professional Quidditch
compare to high schoolQuidditch, basically?
Right.
Um it so that would have beenthat would have been easy.

SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
That would have been cool.
At least like at least showingus the match with um you know
Ireland versus Bulgaria?

unknown (18:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
Bulgaria!

SPEAKER_03 (18:53):
Yeah, yes.
So I mean that would have beencool to see that, but like they
they like cut like right there.

SPEAKER_02 (18:59):
I would have liked to have seen Crum in flight.
Like a bird he is.
Uh Rich, what are you what areyour what are your thoughts on
the movie?
You haven't said anything yet?

SPEAKER_04 (19:11):
Uh so you know, it's been a long time since I've read
the books and seen this movie.
Not because read the books andsince seen the movie?
It's been a long time since I'veread the books.
It's also been a long time sinceI've seen this movie.
Not because of anything inparticular.
Like it, you know, it's one ofthose movies that actually, if

(19:31):
it's on TV, you know, likeplaying on like TBS or TNT or
one of those channels, I wouldleave it on and just watch it.
I just uh I haven't like goneback and watched it since I
think Charlie and Lauren werereading the book together at
night every night, so they readevery book in the Harry Potter
series, and then after thatseries was done, we watched the
movies together.

(19:52):
So I don't know, like maybe fiveyears.

SPEAKER_02 (19:54):
And then the next logical leap is Nairotel.

SPEAKER_04 (19:57):
Yes, obviously.
So that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 (19:59):
If I ever have kids, I think that that would be like
a really important like thing toshare with them.

SPEAKER_04 (20:05):
That's that's like we ended up and we ended up
going as like uh you know, shewas Trelawney one year, Charlie
was Harry Potter, and I was uhSirius Black.
So at Comic Con.

SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
So uh we uh we really love you actually you you
have a good serious black faceto it, you know.
Like you should you should haveyou should you should have just
walked around with like uh awareof serious black and that that
would have been great.

SPEAKER_03 (20:33):
One of the was it the lichens that you see towards
the end of the series, you giveme that vibe of the werewolves.

SPEAKER_04 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, I I love theseries and it's this right here.
It's yeah, some uh chops.
I uh look, I I it's I'm veryforgiving of the series, I
think, overall, and I understanduh like I like what you guys
complained about, I completelyI'm like, yeah, I wish that was

(21:02):
there too, you know.
But I'm also just there youknow, there's something about
seeing what I've read and whatand like what I pictured in my
mind and then being able to seeit on the screen.
And it's it's like I'm justthankful, you know, like it's

(21:23):
yeah, I I I agree.
It's it it's weird, you know.
Now, is this my favorite ofthem?
I don't think so.
It's weird.
You guys are talking about theTri Wizard tournament and like
being cool that you're seeinglike the rest of the world, and
I liked that, but there was apart of me that felt like I was

(21:45):
being kind of slow played intowhat I really wanted to kind of
get into, you know, which was uhmore of like Harry's parents and
all that stuff.
That the bold the bold saga.
Yeah, uh he yeah, well sh canyou oh oh my goodness, we're
gonna have a problem on thispodcast, guys.

(22:06):
We're not gonna do this, are we?
We're not gonna do this, right?
We are not gonna do this.

SPEAKER_02 (22:11):
We are not gonna Alright, no, no, no
foreshadowing to future events.

SPEAKER_04 (22:15):
Please do not say his name.
Oh, oh please do not say hisname.

SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
My goodness.
What if Voldemort times athousand?
How about that?
Like, let's just get out of theway.

SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Um the quote.

SPEAKER_04 (22:30):
But yeah, let's and then he's so pale.
Like, you know what, he looks somuch older than like he is
because he's so pale.
Like he didn't use any sunblockor anything.
Like his skin is just terrible.
He's gotta take care of hisskin.

SPEAKER_03 (22:43):
So something that also that like this movie
doesn't really do a good jobbecause, like, you know, in the
book it doesn't, and thenobviously it leads off into the
next one, you know, which we'renot gonna talk much about, but
like his whole initial buddinginterest in Cho Chang, like you
don't really get much of that.

(23:03):
Like you get the little bumps inhere and there, but there's a
lot more going on in the books.

SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
I will forgive this film that part of it, just
because in the fifth bookthere's not much Cho Chang.
You know, it feels like there'sa bigger buildup for Cho Chang
in the fifth book.
She's not really there.
She's a she's she's she's ashe's there, but she's not
really there.

SPEAKER_03 (23:24):
Right, right.
We have like that one moment,but that's it.

SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
That one moment.

SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
How do we overlook the fact that that name is wow,
what a name.
Terrible.
It's terrible, uh, terriblewriting on that one part.
I just feel like it's I mean,it's a name.

SPEAKER_02 (23:40):
Like, I mean it's I I yeah, so I I Roland gets a lot
of flack for giving stereotypeynames, and sometimes it's a
little more egregious.
Like I think Cho Chang isprobably the outlier in terms of
you know, just names that arenames, but you know, so like uh

(24:07):
here's here's one thing you canuh one one way to look at it.
Like, these are actual namesthat she's choosing, but because
we're looking at it from aWestern point of view, it sounds
fake.
Yeah.
So like the name Wong.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I was like, we gottakind of get like outside of
ourselves in that kind of way.

SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
Like, we gotta the name the name Wong from the
Doctor Strange films that waswritten into the comics at a
time where frankly comics werevery stereotypy and occasionally
very racist.
And you know, people complainedabout the whole Wong thing
because it's a weird soundingname, it sounds wrong.
The actor who plays Wong isliterally named Benedict

(24:51):
Benedict Wong.
Yeah, that's his real life name.
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (24:55):
Yeah, so it's it's it's just like you're not gonna
fault an Asian man for havingthat name, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
Of course not, no.

SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
So, like, I mean, yeah, it's if you're giving that
name to a white person that wasportraying an Asian person, then
okay, I would understand thewhole whitewash thing, but I
mean, you know, it's yeah, likeI'm not gonna I'm not gonna flip
out on that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Yeah.
Although that is low-hangingfruit.
Because, you know, she'sstrangely like uh Scottish.
She's a Scottish character.
But uh and it's a Scottishcharacter, actually, yeah, in
the book.
But yeah, anyway, let's let'smove past Cho Chang.
Let's let's do that.
Um Anthony, you mentioned thatwhat made this book stand out to

(25:42):
you was that it opened theworld.
It wasn't just Harry going tothis small location in the
Scottish Highlands calledHogwarts, it was also him going
to see a Quidditch matchfeaturing two of the greatest
teams from that year, and Ithink it's every four years, so

(26:03):
like it's it it's a it's kind oflike the World Cup in soccer um
in that sense.
So I thought that's pretty cool.
But then on top of that, we alsoget the confirmation that there
are other schools, you know.
Like we at this point, I mean wewe knew that there were other
schools because Hagard goes thatHogwarts is the greatest school
of witchcraft and literaturethere's ever been.
But we've never met or we'venever like seen what that what

(26:27):
what becomes of those schools,and now we have Durmstring,
which I I think is an all-boysschool, and Bobatten, which is
an all-girls school.
So that that kind of changes thedynamics a little bit of what we
what we get to see of thewizarding world past this point.
And you know, in future books wego to the Ministry of Magic and

(26:47):
all that.
So how do you I we we alreadysaid that like we don't think
that the quid Quidditch side ofthings was necessarily well
done, but how do you feel aboutlike the overall worldliness of
the book?
I mean the sense like you know,like we are looking at a wider
portion of the world.
How do we feel that this movierepresented that?

SPEAKER_03 (27:08):
So so it it widens enough to you know include that
there's other wizarding schools,but it still narrows itself on
what's going on, you know, inHogwarts, and then obviously the
continuation of everythingthat's happening with Voldemort,
right?
I feel like when it got to theactual you know, when they got

(27:32):
to the actual um, you know, whatthey call the each of the tests
or challenges, right?
I think that they did wellenough with those, right?
I mean, because when you're atin the actual challenges, it's
just gonna be the challengesthemselves.
You're not gonna be worryingabout all this other stuff
that's happening.
So I think that the actualchallenges they did well enough.

(27:55):
Um the Yule Ball, they did wellenough also.
So, I mean, like you said, thereis a lot to like about this
film, but then there's also andI think it's because this is
where the books start to getbigger.
You know, stuff has to get cutout and it's noticeable.

SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
It's definitely noticeable.
And I I think what I would chalkit up to uh in terms of like,
you know, we get to see a littlebit of the World Cup, we get to
see the celebrations around theWorld Cup, we get to see
students from Bobat and and uhDermstrang, Yule Ball and
everything.
We get a lot of world building,but it ultimately it just kind

(28:35):
of feels hollow in the moviebecause we don't really get to
experience much of I guess, youknow, like the the the schools
don't feel real from just thismovie.
You know, they Dermstrang, bigstrong guys with sticks who
decide they want to break dancein the Great Hall, and then this

(28:56):
other school that just has hotgirls followed by butterflies,
and that's the extent of thedifferences between Hogwarts and
these other schools.
Rich, you look like you havesomething very important to say.

SPEAKER_04 (29:09):
Well, one thing I was thinking about as you guys
were talking about worldbuilding, right, is Hermione has
has, you know, we know hascorrected people on the
pronunciation of spells, right?
So what happens if you have aFrench or Bulgarian accent when
you're trying to say when gardumloviosa?

(29:31):
Like, do they have to somehowsay it British like?

SPEAKER_02 (29:35):
I think here's here's I I don't know this for a
fact, but we know that thewizarding world, the history of
the wizarding world, has existedprior to the advent of the Latin
language.
Most of the spells that theyactually say in the series are

(29:55):
in Latin, which makes sense.
English is mostly a Latin based.
A Latin mixed withGermanic-based language.
But I believe that you know,going to schools where Latin
wouldn't be the originallanguage that their own language
stemmed from, they wouldprobably use spells from a

(30:17):
different culture.
So like I believe that therewould probably be different
names for similar spells.

SPEAKER_04 (30:28):
That's a well thought out answer.
I uh I thought it was throwing amonkey wrench into the plans
here, but uh that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (30:35):
The you know, I because I at first I I was just
like so were all the spellsinvented by Romans because it's
all in Latin.
But we know that there'sprobably spells that have
existed past that point, andthen you get into like, well,
like in English, we oftencharacterize the names of new

(30:57):
animal species with Latinphrases, Latin words.
That's something that stillhappens today.
Is that possibly another waythat these spells have like
invented themselves over thetime over the years?
But yeah, there's schoolssupposedly all over the world in
non-English or Latin basedlanguage groups, and I think
there's a pretty big one inAfrica.

(31:19):
I forget where in Africa, butthey use spells very
differently.
Like instead of wands, they havestaffs.

SPEAKER_03 (31:26):
Yeah, um what do you call it?

SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
I think Kingsley Kingsley Shacklebold has a
staff, not a wand.
I might be no, I'm wrong.
In the films he has a a wand,but I think he has a staff in
the book.
Anyway, I gotta I gotta doublecheck that.

SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
Yeah, but does it uh doesn't Moody also use a staff?
He has a staff and a wand.

SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
I think he uses wands in the movie.
You know, he won't he uses wandsto like turn Draco into a a
ferret and he uses a wand tolike stop the the ceiling in the
the Great Hall from likethundering.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
Well well well we know that that wasn't him
though.

SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
Oh, that's true, yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
So yeah, that was Crouch Jr.
But that is it knowing okay, soyou know, obviously going into
it, I've watched a movie before,right?
So knowing that Barty Crouch Jr.
is uh, you know a time lord.
Right.
It it's it made me laugh so it'sso obvious.

(32:27):
Like they're smacking you in theface with it.
They're like, hey, by the way,like like there's there are a
lot of crumb um did somebody sayyou know oh my goodness.
I didn't even what a what aplay! What an alley oop.
I didn't mean to do that, but uhit it was just so I don't know.
I really I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
I kind of enjoyed that for some reason.
So I like the actor that theychose for Moody.
I love the look of Moody.
He's so perfectly done, and thatis one of the things that this
movie like absolutely knockedout of the park, is just the
character design for Moodybecause it's straight off the
page.
He's crazy looking, his eyesrigging around everywhere, he's

(33:11):
always looking at somethingelse.

SPEAKER_03 (33:12):
Um I think he's like one of the few characters that
they actually like ripped rightoff the book.
Everybody else doesn't lookreally like their characters
from the books.

SPEAKER_02 (33:23):
I I would say Dumbledore and Hagrid look very
much like their characters, butthat's like very necessary.
But Moody, Moody is so why is heallowed?

SPEAKER_04 (33:33):
So obviously he's drinking polyjuice potion the
entire time when he's hittinghis flask, right?
But like as a teacher, I'mwatching the movie, right?
And he's just in the middle ofclass and he takes out his
flask, which you would assume isliquor, right?

SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
And he's like, and he just puts it away.
I assumed it was pumpkin juice.
I assumed it was pumpkin juice.

SPEAKER_03 (33:52):
But they I think that they all assumed that he
was drinking alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 (33:57):
Poly juice potion.
That would have been such a goodlayup for uh giving us a
five-star review.
Remember, guys, you still havean opportunity.
You can do it.
Give us a juicy review.
Poly juicy.
Um anyway.
I'm I had an energy drink on theway home.
I'm a little extra.

SPEAKER_03 (34:12):
Um the cutting, you're supposed to come straight
home.

SPEAKER_02 (34:15):
My camera keeps correcting me to the center of
my image and I don't know how tostop it.
I'll like turn to the side andthen like the camera a couple
seconds later will just backbring me back into focus.

SPEAKER_03 (34:27):
It's funny because like you have a background and
like it just it just looks likeit's it's like sliding you.
I just rather than it cr movingthe rather than the camera
moving over, it looks like it'sjust sliding you back to the
middle.

SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
It's really distracting.

SPEAKER_04 (34:43):
When I got into iPad, I had been doing virtual
workouts with a buddy of mine,and he's kind of crazy, so I
know he's not gonna listen tothis, so I'm totally fine.
But he he caught me bad one daybecause the iPad betrayed me.
I had set it up so that hecouldn't see my legs, and I was
finishing the last round ofpush-ups, and I was doing my
push-ups for my knees instead ofdoing right, and and then the

(35:04):
stupid iPad recenters the cameraand like puts my waist in the
middle, and now he's like, bro,what's going on?
And I'm like, the iPad betrayedme.

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
That's amazing.
I love that.

SPEAKER_04 (35:17):
I actually really like the but speaking of
betrayal, the betrayal of BartyCouch Jr.
over here throwing poor Harry.
I mean, I love how angry theyall are at Harry, and it takes
the bad guy to be like, no man,that was like a really strong
confundus charm.
Like, there's no way a fourthyear can break it.

(35:40):
And then they're like, Oh, Iguess so, right?
Like, guy who's never been inHogwarts, like to our knowledge
before, is now like the voice ofreason, and he's actually the
bad guy.
Like it and like is BartyCrouch, like I'm thinking, like,
there's gotta be a scene wherehe's sitting there going, like,
these damn morons, like now I'vegotta convince him that he's not

(36:03):
a bad like he's not a bad kid.

SPEAKER_02 (36:06):
Like well, they do so much with Barty, like it's so
smart though trying to redeemhim.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
It's so smart though, because it's like while
everybody's like flipping out onHarry, like, why not be the guy
to go to bat for him, right?
Oh baseball references.

SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
It makes you it makes you trust like as much
like Rich, you were saying,knowing that he is the bad guy
in this movie.
There's still a lot in thismovie, knowing all that, where
I'm just like, maybe he kind ofdoes like Harry a little bit.
Like maybe he's rooting forHarry at this point, and you
know it's not really like in agood way, but he's very nice to

(36:44):
Harry.
He's helping him along the way,and obviously it's it's for the
eventual reveal of he who mustnot be named.
But as a viewer, especially ifyou haven't read the book and
this is your first watch, thisguy's on Harry's side throughout
it all.
You know, he's the one who toldRon about the dragons, he's the
one who put Neville up to theGillyweed thing.

(37:05):
He's the one who kind of directsHarry when he enters the maze.
Yeah.
And he I I never noticed that.
For some reason I noticed that.
I just I thought he was pointinginto the maze, like, get going.
It's actually showing him wherethe cup is.

SPEAKER_03 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, I I noticed that a whileback.
He's just like But then I Idon't know if you noticed, but
like Dumbledore looks at him.

SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Like he noticed that too.
Speaking of Dumbledore, I feellike this is a an important
distinction from the bookbecause this is the most
un-Dumbledore that we've everseen.
Because in the next movies, theactor who plays Dumbledore
reverts back to normalDumbledore.
In this movie, he's veryaggressive.

(37:46):
Harry, did you put your name inthe cobbler of fire?
Not anything that is supposed tohappen in the book.
He's always supposed to be cool,calm, and collected, and like
Loony.
Like he's supposed to be just inthe clouds, like he's just
completely zooted.

SPEAKER_03 (38:00):
Like he's like Luna Lovegood, but maybe I don't
know, maybe Loonier.
Uh he's supposed to be, youknow, like even in uh Well, I
mean people have actuallypointed that out a lot that like
he that they they're like he uhin the book he asks him that
calmly, like and it says it inthe book that they ask him that

(38:20):
calmly, but in the movie he'slike yelling at him.

SPEAKER_02 (38:25):
Yeah, he like runs up to Harry, grabs him, Harry,
did you put your name in theGoblet of Fire?
And at that point, I'm I I Iexpect him to just like start
punching Harry after that, justlike, what are you doing, Harry?
But no.

SPEAKER_01 (38:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:36):
So when it comes to the you mentioned Anthony that
there's a lot that is cut out ofthis for the sake of time
because the books are nowgetting heavier, but they do
inject a couple new scenes intothis one that do pad out the
time of the movie in a weirdway.
Like they they don't actuallyneed to do this.
I do think it makes the moviemaybe a little bit better, but

(38:58):
they could have used that timetowards including more stuff
from the books.
So they completely like get ridof the the Rita Skeeter being an
animagus.
Yeah, remember she turns into abug?
Yeah, I think it's a ladybug.
But Hermione ends up realizingit and like traps her in a like

(39:18):
a jar.
Oh, I thought.

SPEAKER_03 (39:20):
I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 (39:21):
It's been a while.
Yeah, and that's the reason whyshe's like getting all the
scoops, like that w when nobodyelse is around.
Like it's it's it that's acompletely thrown out story.
But I guess it's not essentialto the plot, it's just kind of
padding out like the the worldbuilding and stuff.
But one thing that they did addin this movie is the whole

(39:42):
flight section where Harry isbeing chased by a dragon.
Now, that is the first task ishim being, you know, like trying
to like get the egg from thedragon, but they never leave the
confines of the the contest.
They like in the movie, they goall over the place.
They're on the astronomy tower,they're you know, he's being
chased, he almost gets killed bya Hungarian Hortail.

(40:05):
And I I love I I I love thatline where Harry knows what what
uh dragon is in the in the bag,and he goes, and Barty Crouch
goes, and that leaves the andHarry whispers, the Hungarian
Horetale, and he goes, What'sthat boy?
I love that.

SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
I I you know what I'm glad you say that because I
haven't read the books in a verylong time.
And I remember watching thescene going like I don't
remember this, but I then I waslike, oh, maybe it's that I
don't remember the movie, youknow, but now it makes more
sense to me that I didn'tremember it.
And uh also I did uh one timethere was this I don't know what

(40:45):
it there was this special HarryPotter event at a beer garden in
Queens, New York, uh in Astoriawhere I grew up, and they had
uh, you know, like Drought ofthe Living Dead and stuff like
that, drinks and all differentkinds of things, and there were
bands and they were all HarryPotter themed.
And um I think one was uh it wasa group of little kids.

(41:07):
They were like eight or likebetween like eight and eleven or
something, and they were theHarry and the Hungarian horn
tails, and it was so cute, man.
Like they're they're justjamming and like playing Harry
Potter theme songs, so it wasfantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (41:24):
I as a millennial, I ironically listened to what was
called Wizard Rock occasionally.
Um they had whole bands withunique and original music that
was about Harry Potter.
I think they have like PirateRock, which is about like
Pirates of Caribbean.
Shut the front door!

SPEAKER_03 (41:43):
I weirdly remember that.

SPEAKER_02 (41:45):
Yeah, so I had a physical CD from a band called
Harry and the Potters.
Yes! I forgot the name.
It was actually decent.
Like it wasn't it wasn't badstuff.
Yeah, so that it was fun being amanio, guys.
Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (41:59):
We do I miss it.
We do have our own corny thingsthat we do, man.
We really do.

SPEAKER_02 (42:05):
I miss a lot of it, but yeah, of course.
It's probably best that we uhleave it, leave it leave it in
the past.

SPEAKER_03 (42:14):
It was fun at the time, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
Yeah, it was just so new and like this is such a cool
concept.
Oh my god, look, it's a HarryPotter themed band.
Uh and there was a couple ofthem.
I think there was like Fred andthe Whee or like Weasley's
Wizard Weases or something likethat.
It was some Weasley stuff,anyway.
There was probably one of those,one or two of those like bigger
wizard rock bands for the beerguarding thing.

(42:37):
So that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 (42:38):
Yeah, so uh this uh I I did like like I think like
Anthony said earlier, like Ithought the challenges were
really good.
You know, it was kind of likeyou know, nice seeing Myrtle.
It's like hey Myrtle, what'sgoing on?
You know?

SPEAKER_02 (42:51):
Uh so I enjoyed she's so lascivious, she's so
slime, so ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
And she's played by an adult.
Like this is like a 40-year-oldwoman, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (43:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, she was 40?
She was like 40 at the time.
No, no, no, not 40.
Nothing.
No, I think she was definitelyan I don't think you're far off,
Dakota.
She's like 60 years old now.
If she wasn't 40, she wasknocking on 40's door.
She's 59.
Oh, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
No, wait, okay, I was right.
Shirley Henderson, the actresswho played Morning Myrtle, was
37 years old when she filmed TheChamber of Secrets.
She's supposed to be a secondyear.

SPEAKER_04 (43:35):
You know what?
It must be that she wore um shewore sunscreen and she cut
protected her skin, so shewasn't aging, right?
Because if you don't wearsunblock, then you're just gonna
look old, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (43:46):
I think it's something about her like facial
makeup, not physical makeup thatyou put on your face, but like
the make of her face.
Right, right.
The structure of it, like theway she smiles is very childish.
Yeah, it's it's it'sinteresting.

SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
Yeah, so in this movie, she would have been like
close to 40, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
Crazy.
The world we live in.
Am I right?

SPEAKER_04 (44:07):
Well, I I did uh either either way, I I I liked
uh I I liked her in this movie.
I think she's good in her role.
The extended chase, I that'ssomething felt off about that,
so I kind of am glad that thatwas off.
I also I was thinking like if Iwere the contestants, the result
of the of the swim of theswimming one, right?

(44:28):
It's gobbledygoo, guys.
I mean, it is infuriating thatlike if I'm looking if I'm just
a competitor in this contest,I'm like, wait a minute, what?
Like, he didn't have to go dothat, like, alright, good for
him, but he gets second place?
Like, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 (44:45):
It is uh Dumbledore was definitely pulling some
shit.
He was pulling his way, and thatIgor Kharkov was like, he's just
like, boo, boom.

SPEAKER_04 (44:54):
He should have been.
I mean, he had every right to beirritated.
I just uh I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (45:00):
I love Igor, I love Igor Kharkov so much.
He's so evil.
How did he speaking of peoplewho were incarcerated and got
jobs after prison time?
How did he become headmaster ata school?

SPEAKER_03 (45:14):
Yeah.
And like not only was he like heincarcerated for like robbing
somebody, like he gotincarcerated He was a death
eater, he's probably dead, likehe probably probably killed
people.
Like, yeah, dude.
He he was the follower foressentially the Harry Potter
version of Hitler, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (45:32):
Yeah, no, he was on he was in the Nuremberg trials,
bro.
Um He really was, yeah, hereally was, like he really was.
Like he was like, no, no, no,no, I have names, I have names.
I did really like the pensive.
I thought that was a really coolvisualization of the idea of the
pensive, and it's it's uh used alot more in like book six, but I

(45:53):
that's another thing.
Rowling does such a good job ofseeding things in previous
stories so that when it's timefor them to be truly useful in
later books, we are we'realready accustomed with it.
Oh, the pensive's back.
Oh, we're going back intoDumbledore's memories.
So that's that's something likeeven after reading the first

(46:14):
book or rereading the firstbook, I I listened to the new
audible audiobook uh with thefull cast and everything, and
fantastic.
I highly recommend it.
But what's amazing is now that Iknow the story front to back so
well, you know, just from manyreadings and watchings over the
years, it's amazing how much youcan pick out from just the

(46:37):
little ways that she wordsthings that she understands
where this story is going forthe most part.
There are things like I don'tthink she knew that Scabbers was
gonna be Peter Pettigrew in thefirst book, but there are things
where like huh, that's weird.
Why did Dumbledore have HarryPotter's or why did Dumbledore

(46:58):
have James Potter's Cloak ofInvisibility?
Why was he researching it?
Like, we know these things existin the world.
Why was this one special?
That doesn't get explained untillike the very end of the book
seven.
Stuff like that.
Like, how do you even like mapthat out?
And so I'm I'm I was veryimpressed with that in my recent
rereading of that, and justseeing how it continues even

(47:22):
into Goblet of Fire with thepensive and other things.
Um, you know, the introductionof Fleur de Lacour, who, you
know, I wouldn't say a prominentcharacter later, but she does
come back and everything.
So yeah, I I just think it'scool.

SPEAKER_03 (47:33):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (47:35):
I sometimes feel like I say so much, like I I
just like word vomit, and youguys are just like, wow.
And I feel bad afterwards.
I'm like, I kind of derailedthis, too.

SPEAKER_03 (47:44):
No, no, we're just like, you know, hold up, you
know, let them cook.
But no, man, I I I agree, youknow, it's the setup of you
know, JK, you know, it's likeOda level, man.
Well, I don't know if it's Odalevel, because Oda is like he'll
call back something from he'llbe at like episode 900, call
back to something episode 50.
But um it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (48:05):
We're talking we're talking about one piece here.
Yeah, yeah, one piece, yeah.
My bad.
Yeah, this is eichido.

SPEAKER_03 (48:11):
Yeah, so yeah, like I I I appreciate when somebody
can do stuff like that, youknow, kind of map things out and
call things back from earlierbooks.

SPEAKER_02 (48:20):
Very cool.
What do you think of the U Ohsorry, Rich, you have something?

SPEAKER_04 (48:24):
This is completely off topic, and I completely
apologize.
But you guys brought up uh onepiece and it triggered something
in my brain that South Park hada uh episode where they're
talking about how like the kidsare bullying each other using
AI, and one of the kids likebullies, I think it's it's
Kenny, and it's supposed to bethat Kenny has intercourse with

(48:46):
Totoro, right?
So then everyone thinks thesevideos are real, and to and stu
and and stu and studio Ghiblishows up and they're like
furious, like and I was likesitting there with my wife, and
I was like, Studio Ghibli,Studio Ghibli! I was like, you
know, the the boo the weirdbirds, the weird birds.
So sorry, completely off topic,but uh you guys mentioned one

(49:08):
piece.

SPEAKER_02 (49:08):
So that's uh no, that's actually a gorgeous
callback.
Uh I appreciate that.
I actually do want to watch thatSouth Park episode.
I've heard very good thingsbecause it totally nails how the
whole culture around AI and likehow wrong it is occasionally and
how much of a yes man AI cantend to be.
So I I want to watch thatepisode.

(49:28):
But I had no idea that uh I'mguessing Miyazaki, like the
director, showed up becauseMiyazaki's such an easy person
to think I would guess he wouldbe the face of Studio Gibbon.
Yeah.
But what do we think of the YuleBall?

SPEAKER_04 (49:40):
Oh man, I mean, Ron's garb is you know classic,
just so great.
I can't remember exactly how itwas described in the book, you
know.
I'm not sure if they went extra.
Because I don't know.
In my mind, I think I picturedit as antiquated, but not like

(50:01):
atrocious, right?
I don't know.
And this felt like I don't knowin what era that looked good.
Even in the era where that wasacceptable, like that was the
ugliest version that you picked.

SPEAKER_02 (50:13):
Uh yeah.
I don't recall if it wasatrocious, like you said.
Um it definitely was almostfeminine to the point where like
Ron thought it was Jenny's.
Like that is something that'sfrom the book, which is funny
that they continued it with.
It is it's just it's funny.
I feel bad for Ron.
Like, he's just the punching baga lot of times, you know.
I it's either Neville or Ron arethe punching bags.

SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
It's so funny because I mean there's families
like that where like you know,this this the clothes just get
passed down from like the eldestdown to like the youngest, you
know?
So the fact that like you know,you kind of get that, like, you
know, in the wizarding worldreally does like kind of ground
it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (50:54):
But his brothers, I just love that he's completely
surprised, right?
Because he has three olderbrothers, right?

SPEAKER_02 (51:01):
Yeah, four.
Four.

SPEAKER_04 (51:02):
So he's got a few one of them didn't be like like,
hey, there's this terriblething, right?
Or like one of them didn'tcomplain.
There aren't pictures.
He's five older brothers.
Five, so like he's not the youknow, like he's not the first
one to see this outfit, youknow.
I actually get a little I loveRonald Weasley, but in this

(51:22):
movie, this movie, I find himkind of detestable for a short
period of time.
I don't think they make it Ithink they make his his
frustration with Harry seem alot more juvenile because in the
books we can see into his headmore so we understand how he's

(51:43):
feeling and how he feels likehurt and betrayed.
Where I think in the movie itjust comes off as him being it
him like I don't know, he's likehim being a literal teenager.

SPEAKER_03 (51:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But to There's no other way toput it.
I mean, it's juvenile becauseit's exactly what it's meant to
be.
He's a teenager.
Teenagers do stupid things.
We were teenagers at once.
We did dumb things, we got upsetfor dumb reasons.

SPEAKER_02 (52:11):
But I I kind of agree with Rich in the sense
that the movie truncates hisemotional range to that of a
teaspoon, you know, like hedoesn't really get the
opportunity to express himselfever beyond just pure jealousy
to pure oh sorry about that, Iwas wrong.

(52:32):
I was being a right get.

SPEAKER_04 (52:34):
Yeah, that that that's what it is for me.
Like I I work with teenagers,you know, like I I teach
seniors, I'm I'm with them allday long, you know, and yeah,
they do stupid things and stuff,but they you know, I feel like
there's just a little bit morenuance half most of the time.
And and that that was it, likewhen you say like that, like you
know, they cut stuff out fromthe book.
For me, like the characterdevelopment and seeing more of

(52:58):
them gets cut out too.
And I think that's a little biteven more detrimental to me
because I really love Ron.
And it's just so weird to seehim for almost an entire movie
act completely just they're justgiving he's like a caricature of

(53:18):
all of the worst things ateenager can do all at once.
He's mean to girls, he's mean toPatel, right?
Uh he's mean to Hermione, he'srude to Harry.
You know, it it's just allaround that it just seems I
don't know.

unknown (53:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:36):
Yeah.
No, I I agree.
One in that same vein, uh, butin the opposite direction, I
think they did a really good jobwith the characterization of
Neville.
I think Neville really got toshine in this book, at least
from a character arc andcharacter development
standpoint.
Because they don't skirt theyactually, what's interesting

(53:58):
here is they set something upfor the next movie that is never
paid off in the next movie.
But if you understand thecharacter, it kind of pays off
itself in this book.
So they have Moody perform theCruciardist curse right in front
of him.
It's in the next book that wefind out that his parents were

(54:21):
tortured by the very same personwho performed the Cruciardist
curse in front of him to thepoint where they became insane.
So like Barty Crouch Jr.
was among those who tortured thelongbottoms to the point where
they had to spend the rest oftheir night their lives in a
loony bin.

(54:42):
And he was cruel enough to do itright to his face.
And that's the part, like goingback and watching this movie
again, whoa, this guy is reallyevil.

SPEAKER_03 (54:51):
Yeah, and he knew and he knew it too, because he's
like longbottom, is it?

SPEAKER_02 (54:56):
Yes.
It's really messed up.
And and that's that's one ofthose things, like Rowling does
not pull her punches out, eventhough it's a kid's book.
You know, like she's willing toshow the extreme range of
emotional depth with hercharacters.

SPEAKER_03 (55:13):
Uh well, I feel like by then you you're like where
you say that like by the timeyou hit this book, you're really
gonna be around the age of thesekids.

SPEAKER_02 (55:24):
You mature you mature with the characters,
sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:26):
So yeah, they're teenagers.
So of course she's like, okay,this is gonna be a teenager
book.

SPEAKER_02 (55:31):
Right.
But you know, again, these arestill this is all still
considered kid lit, kidliterature.
So it's i it is still impressivehow emotionally uh mature all
the characters are, you know,like they're not just
caricatures of uh stereotypes,you know, even though a lot of
her names are stereotypes.

(55:53):
Every character that has ameaning, meaningful in these
stories, that they feel real toyou, they feel like real people.
And I think that that is thetrue magic of these stories is
that she was capable of creatinga world populated with people
you feel like you've alwaysknown.
And I think that that is reallycool.
And I think they did a reallygood job in this movie with

(56:14):
Neville on the bottom.
That's that's all I gotta say.

SPEAKER_04 (56:17):
We do know we know that Neville's parents were
killed by the Christianis Curse.

SPEAKER_02 (56:22):
They weren't killed or just Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (56:25):
We know that they were tortured before that scene,
though, right?

SPEAKER_02 (56:30):
No, because we I don't think because we never
hear anything.

SPEAKER_04 (56:33):
But her because Hermione says, like, how could
you, don't you know?

SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
Like No, it's don't you see it's hurting him or
bothering him, she says.
I don't know.
I don't know, I forget what thebook says, but I I'm pretty
positive.

SPEAKER_04 (56:46):
Okay.
Oh, but see she may she may notbe.
That that's why that's why I gotconfused, just because I
distinctly remember it seeminglike she knew because she was
like, Don't you see it'sbothering him, implying like
because you know it's whathappened to his parents.
Okay, alright.
Wow, so it does happen.
We don't find out to the nextbook.

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
That's actually pretty because I think that's
the revelation for us when theygo to St.
Mungo's in the fifth book, whichthey never go into in the movie,
but that's the big reveal thereis that they get to meet
Neville's parents.
And you just feel bad for him.
You feel bad for Neville becausehe got the as much as Harry got
a short end to a stick, HarryPotter definitely pulled the

(57:29):
shorter end of the stick thanNeville, but Neville doesn't
have the world fawning over himlike Harry Potter does.
You know, like everyone lovesHarry because he's the boy who
lived.
Nobody remembers Neville, eventhough his parents suffered a
very similar fate.
It's tough.
I feel bad for Neville.

SPEAKER_03 (57:46):
We also what we get like a very, you know,
interesting character in CedricDiggory, and he's like only
there for the book.
Um he's portrayed by RobertPattinson, and this is before he
goes down the rabbit trail of uhTwilight.

SPEAKER_02 (58:06):
Yeah, uh, this is before he becomes a sparkly
vampire.
I like him.
He's a cool guy.
I think one of the one of thefew issues with the books, and I
guess to the movie uh it's notthe movie's fault, but like we
never really get until like LunaLovegood, we never get friends
outside of Hogwarts or outsideof Gryffindor house.

(58:28):
And I think that kind of built alittle bit of tribalism in the
readership, because everyonewanted to be a Gryffindor, you
know?
Like if you if you go to Barnesand Noble and you know
everything is like house themed.
So like you can get like a HarryPotter notebook and Gryffindor,
Huffle, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw,or Slytherin themed, you'll

(58:49):
never find any Gryffindor stuffbecause everyone thinks they're
Gryffindor.
So that's that's one of theflaws that I have with the
books.
Anthony, I mean, I keep callingRich Anthony.

SPEAKER_04 (58:59):
I'm raising my hand.
I just want to be clear.
I humbly accept I have neverever had any notion of grandeur
that I'm a Gryffindor.
I'm a day one and for lifeHufflepuff.

SPEAKER_01 (59:15):
I knew it.
I knew you were gonna say that.
I I have always thought of youthat way.

SPEAKER_04 (59:19):
It's just uh, and so I as a Hufflepuff, I gotta say
one thing.
I think Cedric is a such a weirdrepresentation of her house.

SPEAKER_02 (59:30):
He's gregarious, he likes to hang out with friends,
and you know, he's very social.
That's a very Hufflepuff.

SPEAKER_04 (59:34):
Alright.
Yeah, he's just so good at stuffthat it's just like uh, you
know, it's uh like I wish we hadit's like this is the first
Hufflepuff we really kind of getto know, and he's like amazing
at everything, you know, where Ikind of wish there was more like
I kind of want to meet likeBilbo Baggins, the Hufflepuff,

(59:55):
right?
Like, there's one there, right?
Like, there's gotta be you knowthat the Hobbits.
Are very Hufflepuffy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:01):
Pretty much all Hobbits and all of Hobbiton are
Hufflepuffs except for I wouldsay except for Frodo, Mary, and
Pippin.
Sam is a Hufflepuff.
Every other Hobbit we ever metis a Hufflepuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:15):
You know, I just I kind of wanted to meet like I
don't know, like a very justgregarious and slightly
overweight young man in one ofthe houses at one point.
But so Cedric, I don't, it's youknow, he's a the thing, it's
it's weird.
He's he's only really aroundthis book.
And and that's the one thing Iknow you said that like she's

(01:00:36):
really good at um like building,you know.
Like I I I don't recall he's notin the other books, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:42):
Like this is no, because he's a seventh year, so
they wouldn't really touch onhim because he's three years
older than you know the maincastle.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:50):
Still dating Cho Chang.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:52):
Still dating Cho Chang.
I think Cho Chang is a yearolder.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:57):
Oh, yeah, I think she's the fifth year.
I think yeah, it's been a while.
I kind of want to take a diveback.
Now might be the time, you know,with the fully voice casted uh
audio.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:14):
I cannot stress enough like how well they did
those books.
Like if you just listen to thefirst chapter, do they do it
like Star Wars?
It's so much better than StarWars.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:24):
Really?
Well, I mean, I know Star Warsis like narrated by one person,
but like they have like themusic, they have the sounds,
that's why I like the Star Warsones.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:34):
Yeah, so they have the music, they have the sound
effects, but it's so much morethan just lightsabers and
blaster fire.
It's you know, you can hearpeople like shuffling paper in
the background, you can hearlike Ampetunia cooking on the
stove in the background, you canhear like the chatter of the TV
and scenes in the background.
All of it's woven into like thenarration plus the character

(01:01:58):
actors that are playing theseroles.
It's so good.
I was so impressed with it.
Yeah, I highly recommend it.
They're coming out one everymonth up until like June of next
year.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:07):
So when did the first one drop?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:10):
Early this month.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:11):
Okay, so we got another one coming out next
month, then.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:14):
Yes, there is one in December.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:17):
Cool, cool.
Yeah, I'll uh I'll look into it,man.
I'll look into it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:21):
Voldy's back, guys.
They touched the port key.
The cup was a port key, and nowthe guy we can't name is back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:28):
Yeah, man.
That was interesting.
Well, um both Harry and Cedricget sent there.
And he just immediately getskilled.
Oh man.
Immediately.
Like a toss away.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:41):
Yeah.
Kill the spare.
But you know what?
Had they not killed the spare,Harry probably wouldn't have
gotten away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:52):
Well, I mean, his parents were still there, so I
don't know if like it's tough.
That's true.
And and the caretaker was stillthere.
But maybe, I mean, I would saylike maybe with the existence of
Cedric being there, maybe ithelped the distraction last a
little bit longer.
So I mean, you could be right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:12):
Yeah.
I love that scene so much, and Ithink that might be my favorite
scene from this movie is the waythat they brought He Who Must
Not Be Named back from the dead.
I I love that he recalls hisDeath Eaters, and it's it's a
small number of Death Eaters incomparison to like, you know,
the numbers that he used tohave, but it's the typical ones

(01:03:33):
the crab, the goyles, themalfoys, McNair's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:36):
And you're saying it like while he's like ripping off
the math?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:40):
Yeah.
Goyle, crab, and you, Lucius.
Thirteen years, and you didn'tdo nothing.
If I would have heard whispers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:50):
Yeah, I mean Ralph Fines is unbelievable.
Have you have you guys ever seenthere's a guy on I I'm not sure
if it's just Instagram, but uhhe basically does like Voldemort
Oh!

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:05):
You're joking on your own saliva.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:07):
He does he who must not be named like uh Voldemort.
Voldemort he does likeimpressions and he does this to
annoy his like wife or hisgirlfriend, and he just like
goes around and then he wentfull out.
And at first he just like boughttape and put his nose up and
like was like talking to her,but then she came home one day
and he's just wearing the fullface, like the whole head cap.

(01:04:31):
It's just unbelievable.
Uh and it works so well justbecause it's Ralph Finds.
I really think that he changedhow I understood Voldemort to
be.
Like, he is such a delicious,like Shakespearean level

(01:04:52):
villain, right?
Like, he's really so much moreinteresting and then everybody
else.
And I'll tell you, I'll give youone good reason.
Alright.
Here's a test.
Anthony, what's your middlename?
Ryan.
What?

unknown (01:05:07):
Uh Ryan.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:08):
Ryan, okay.
Mine is Joseph.
Okay.
What's yours, Dakota?
Okay.
His middle name is Marvolo.
Marvolo, man.
Like, he is so much cooler thanus, alright?
Marvolo.
Alright?
We don't have that kind ofpizzazz in our lives.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:26):
No, we don't.
We don't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:28):
The pizzazz.
But yeah, no, I agree.
I mean, uh, overall, like, youknow, this this isn't gonna be
the worst movie that you eversee, but yeah, like with this
being like the first of thelarger books and like a lot kind
of getting cut out.
I mean, you know, I could Icould see that there's a lot
that, you know, I wish was init, but you know, it's just that

(01:05:51):
stuff was per personalpreference.
I guess at least the major storybeats were there.
But yeah, like let's uh let'swind this down.
Let's just what are our lastthoughts on Harry Potter and the
Goblet of Fire, Rich.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:08):
I know you're gonna go take on Vecna soon, so I
think I'm a little bit moreforgiving overall than you guys
are, just in the same way thatwe've spoken about like the
Hobbit before, you know, likeI'll just accept it because I
want to see something on screen,right?
I did feel like if you didn'tread the books, then this movie

(01:06:30):
does you a slight disservice.
Which a lot of people didn't.
Yeah, that see, that's the issueis like if you've read the books
and then you're watching thesemovies, I'm like, all right,
that sucks, and that's annoying,but I'm still happy to see it.
If you're just watching themovies, then I think you missed
out on some characterdevelopment and some cool stuff.

(01:06:52):
So if you're gonna watch this,go read the book first and then
go ahead and watch it.
And I think that you'll enjoy itin a different way.
But you can't look at this as adirect adaptation that follows
faithfully in a way that isgonna make readers happy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
That's fair.
As far as I'm concerned, whileit's not my favorite of the
movies, I do like thedirectorial intent.
I love the way things were colorgrated in this movie.
I think some of the vignettingaround some of the scenes is
just really pleasant to look at.
Um, and I I overall enjoy it alot.
I I always come back to like thebooks were extremely well

(01:07:33):
written, but what brought HarryPotter to a level that no other
kids' literature will everachieve is also the fact that
the movies were fantastic.
The movies were good, you know.
The casting was like just sogreat, so perfect, and and I

(01:07:53):
can't fault that.
I don't think anyone can faultit.
It's just they capturedlightning in the bottle twice
with the books and with themovies, and it was just the
perfect time for it to bereleased, you know?
And anyway, yeah, I I meanGoblet of Fire, I would probably
put like number 18 on my uh topMCU films, but maybe maybe
number four in terms of HarryPotter books in chronological

(01:08:15):
order.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:16):
You know, we have that HBO series that's coming
out, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:21):
Who is it for?
So Because the demographics forHarry Potter is us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:28):
So he's I will say that like then you have the kids
of like you know, me, my friendsin our generation, right, that
we've all had our kids wa uhread it, then like Hogwarts
Legacy came out, and it waslike, yo, you know, like I I
mean I got my son and I waslike, You you gotta play
Hogwarts Legacy, you know, likehe he was crazy about it, you

(01:08:51):
know.
So I actually think that thereis an audience out there that's
not the same, it's not the same,though.
It's not the same thing.
It's not the same.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:59):
It's like it's like what I will say to because I'm
gonna play devil's advocatehere.
I don't think that it shouldn'texist.
I'm in the camp of like art forart's sake, and I I I think that
what we've seen from the setphotos tells me that they're
doing something different thanwhat the movies did.

(01:09:20):
They're shooting scenes thataren't even in the books that
are only hinted at.
Uh, and you can tell that basedon some set photos and stuff,
like, wait a minute, why arethey shooting that in that
location?
That would mean either they'refilming stuff for a later season
while they're filming seasonone, or they're introducing

(01:09:42):
subplots that were only everhinted at.
So I think that they are addingquite a bit more juice, if you
will, into uh the meat of thesestories.
And once we get to the bookswhere they're a little bit
longer, we'll actually be ableto develop the stuff in Goblet
of Fire that we weren't able tosee because it's going to be
played out over the course of aseries.
So that's my hope anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:03):
Right.
Well, I mean, it's just the waythat I see it's a little tough
is that, you know, like yousaid, the this phenomenon, it
was, you know, lightning in thebottle twice, which is hard, but
it really was a product of itstime, you know, and and it you
know, the I mean a lot of adultsread it at that time too.

(01:10:27):
But the thing is, is thatthere's stuff that our parents
grew up with in the 80s thatthey absolutely loved that were
kind of like, you know, eh, likethere's maybe a couple of things
out there that I would say thatwere like really caught on,
which was Star Wars, but theystayed relevant, right, by
coming out with newer stuff.

(01:10:48):
Whereas this is just gonna be arehashing of a story like from a
while ago.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:52):
I see what you're saying.
You're suggesting that there'sno new content coming out for
the newer generations, or likeby rehashing Harry Potter,
they're just retreading what aprevious generation experienced.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:05):
Right, right, exactly.
So so that's what I'm saying.
It's like it's a little tough,like you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:10):
You're touching on a bigger topic that kind of goes
into pretty much all things thatare popular.
You know, you Lord of the Rings,here's the hobby, here's Rings
of Power, Star Wars, here's ahundred and a hundred and one
novels, and uh several.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:24):
Well, I mean, they come out with some shows and
cartoons and stuff, so they'vemaintained uh relevancy.
Lord of the Rings, uh it's it'sa little bit tougher.
You there's not a lot of people.
I mean, there's a lot of peoplethat like Lord of the Rings, but
like not your average like Joe'sgonna be like, oh, have you seen
Rings of Power?
They're gonna be like, What?
What's that?
You know?
Fair.
So but um you know, but we'llwe'll see.

(01:11:47):
We'll see, like, you know, whatwhat the success is.
I'm always gonna, you know, II'm going into it cautiously
optimistic, you know, just likeI did with um, you know, uh,
what do you call it?
Uh with live action one piece.
And you know, that turned out tobe fine.
So, you know, that that's youknow, we'll see.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:07):
Guys, thank you so much for listening to us here
for our 142nd episode.
We hope you enjoyed it.
If you did, please be sure togive us a five-star juicy
review.
I'm saying it for the thirdtime, just so that you don't
forget it.
And uh, if you want to check outany of our show notes down
below, we have links to not onlymy video, but also that podcast
with Alison Mack and MichaelRosenbaum, just in case you're

(01:12:29):
interested.
It's a fascinating lesson.
And yeah, guys.
Bye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:34):
Peace.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:35):
Long live the timeline, guys.
Am I right?