Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)

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Have you ever wondered if a podcast could be cursed? This week on Project Geekology, we finally conquer the elusive third Harry Potter film, "Prisoner of Azkaban," after what felt like an epic quest fraught with recording mishaps and laughable delays. Join hosts Dakota, Anthony, and our ever-entertaining regular contributor Rich as we break the spell, revealing our Patronus forms and sharing side-splitting tales of pronunciation mishaps, from Timon's name to office anecdotes. Rich also takes us on a wild ride with his latest cinematic adventure watching "Sonic 3" and dives into his ongoing love affair with "Dragon Age."

Our journey through the Harry Potter universe wouldn't be complete without a deep dive into the magical worlds of gaming and pop culture. We unlock the secret appeal of the Final Fantasy series, exploring everything from the epic Knights of the Round in Final Fantasy 7 to the expansive world-building of Final Fantasy 12. As we move into the realm of Overwatch, celebrate the newfound accessibility of characters and share our thoughts on how these changes enhance the experience for both new and seasoned players. This episode is a treasure chest of nostalgia and geeky goodness, guaranteed to spark your imagination and fuel your passion for your favorite fandoms.

Finally, we reflect on the broader themes of the Harry Potter films, from their unique directorial styles to the cultural phenomenon they became. With a touch of skepticism and a sprinkle of hope, we ponder the upcoming HBO series, wondering if it can recapture the magic of the originals. We delve into the memorable characters and evolving stories, celebrating the continuity of the cast and the lasting impact of the series. From time turners to Dumbledore's legacy, our conversation is an enchanting blend of magical musings and heartfelt nostalgia. Tune in to relive the wonder and excitement of one of the most beloved series of our time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome one, welcome all to Project Geekology.
Thank you for tuning in.
Today is December 33rd, 2024.
We refuse to acknowledgeanother year's past.
It just doesn't seem like theright time.
We are we're going to becovering something that I hope

(00:20):
we can actually make it to theend of, because this is our
cursed podcast.
I hope we can actually make itto the end of, because this is
our cursed podcast.
This is the curse of thePrisoner of Azkaban, because
we've tried to record this somany times.
It's probably I think this isour third time and, like last
week, I was sick, so I couldn'trecord that week either, but I'm
in good health.
I think everyone else is ingood health.

(00:41):
So today we're covering HarryPotter and the Prisoner of
Azkaban for our 105th episode ofProject Geekology.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
My name is Dakota and I'm joined, as always, with
Anthony, and yes, man, I hopethat the curse wasn't trying to
take you out before we couldrecord it.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh, I had a bit of an issue right before recording
where I couldn't hear anything Ihad to unplug my speaker.
I was fiddling with that forlike three minutes I'm not
joking Before you even logged on, but we are here.
We have hopefully all rewatchedPrisoner of Azkaban.
We're talking about the movie,not the book.
And, yeah, we're joined.

(01:21):
As always, recently, rich hasbeen a more regular contributor
to our podcast.
Rich say hi.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
How are you guys doing?
I'm very happy here to you know, kind of I think the problem is
that you guys didn't have astrong enough Patronus and the
Dementors got to you, you know,and I think that with my
Patronus we're going to be ableto have success today.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
What is your Patronus , by the way, like, what do we
know?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh, it's definitely a raccoon.
I think raccoons are nature'scriminals and I love their masks
.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
That's a fantastic answer, Anthony.
Do you have a Patronus?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I do Well in the app.
It was like a fox, I had gottenlike a fox in the app.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It was like a fox.
I had gotten like a fox.
I think I got a, a dog like um,like a basset hound or
something in the app, but I feellike I'm more of a meerkat kind
of guy dakota wants to emulatehis timon and energy.
You know, speaking about timon,actually I I I don't know how
this came up at work, butthere's a guy uh, on my job.

(02:30):
His nickname is pumba.
He kind of looks like pumba andone of the other guys was like
why not timon?
And he's just like what do I?
Look like timon, I look likepumba and and some other guy we
were on on a bus going to workand he goes actually it's Simone
, it's Simone in Pumbaa.
And there was a wholediscussion of no, it's actually

(02:52):
Simone, but this guy just wasnot having it.
So anyway, yeah, simone, it isdefinitely.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Simone oh man.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Guys, what have you been up to this past couple
weeks?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
uh, we haven't talked since our last discussion yes,
throw it, let's throw it over torich uh, let's see.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Today I went to go see after the debacle from the
war of the rehirum, had freepasses and, uh, despite having
free passes, got too lazy to goto that theater, so I went to
the local theater to see sonic 3all right yeah, I thought it
was pretty good uh, you know,you had you had three passes or
not three passes.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
You had free passes and you, uh, just tossed them
out for the sake of a bettershowing or a more comfortable
showing yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I'm still gonna you know they're.
I think I have a year to usethem, so it's it'll get at some
point at some point the.
If it was like 50 today, 50degrees outside, I think I would
have taken a jaunt over.
But when I saw the temperatureI was like no and other than
that just plain.
Dragon Age to Veilguard.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Nice.
How was Sonic 3?
I mean, I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
I mean, I knew what I was going to watch.
My wife decided that she waslike, hey, I want to go see the
movie.
So I was like, oh okay, I'msure she loved it, not sure if
you're going to love it.
So she did not play Sonic theHedgehog, any of them.
I think she can identify thecharacter.
So there's that.

(04:21):
That's all you need, really.
But what did she say?
How much money did they giveJim Carrey to lower himself to
that Two times?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Isn't this number three?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, he plays two characters in the movie.
Oh yeah he's pulling an EddieMurphy type.
Not quite, but there is yeah, Igot you.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I got you.
That's cool.
How's dragon age?
Sorry, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You go you're good, no, no, I was gonna say well, I
mean, you know there's a lot ofpeople that could say the same
thing about many jim carreymovies.
If you, you really just don'tcare for his stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
But I don't know.
I enjoyed him as doctor.
He did play a print.
Uh count olaf, which you knowhas a whole bunch of different
personas so yes, yes, but yeah,um, yeah, continue away with the
dragon's age oh, dragon, Ithink it's great.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I mean, you know, the games don't come out super
close to each other, so I thinkthe last one came out for xbox
360, I believe yeah, it's beenlike over a decade, right, you
know yeah.
So I started playing it and I'mlike, oh soulless.
Yeah, I remember varick, okay,you know, and I I feel like at

(05:39):
the beginning there's a.
The best part is like you startoff as a guy, they end up
calling rook, and I'm assumingbecause you're like a rookie and
you know he's confused and Ialmost feel like the conceit
they made was well, it's been along time, so let's have the
main character be confusedbecause the people playing have
no idea what's going on anymore.
So yeah, I had one of thosethings you know there's a slider

(06:01):
for like, oh, what did?
What decision did you make hereor here?
I had that happen in theWitcher and I hadn't played
Witcher 2.
So I went online and tried todo some research.
But for this game I was justlike I made these decisions and
I don't remember them because itwas 10 years ago.
But other than that, I thinkit's great because it starts off

(06:23):
very much more like linearlylinear.
All right, I think you guysknow what word I'm trying to say
that I can't get out yes, butthen it starts to get sandboxing
, you know it.
It kind of keeps you like realfocus.
At the beginning and I thinkit's good, because I played
skyrim and I epically rememberbecoming the mage, the arch mage

(06:46):
of the mages guild, before Ilearned to shout my friend came
over the house and said whatshouts do you have?
And I said what are shouts?
And he's like how long have youbeen playing this game?
I was like I'm playing for acouple of weeks and he's like
wait, how are you the arch mageof the mages guild?

(07:07):
But you don't know any shouts.
So I like I like kind of beingfunneled.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
And then being allowed to sandbox and then
funnel again.
Okay, okay, I gotcha, I gotchacool, did you foos rodah?
Oh, eventually, eventually, hehad to.
Uh, anthony, what have you,what have you been up to?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I have been up to uh kind of like hopping between
marvel rivals and overwatch.
You know the it's like thosewinter events kind of going on.
Uh, marvel rivals has this, uhjeff the land shark event going
on and uh, overwatch always haslike something like that going

(07:40):
on.
So I always like, so I've beenkind of like popping in between
those.
But then I've also I've gotten.
I got like a bunch of gameskind of like throughout, like
the holiday season, becausesteam always has like these
sales.
They had like the black fridaysale, then then there's like the
winter sale and and so likebetween all those I've gotten,

(08:02):
I've gotten a couple games.
I've got that metaphor game byAtlus.
I haven't been able to hop intoit yet but I really like want
to because they say it's likekind of like Persona-esque, like
it's almost like kind of like ablend of Shin Megami and
Persona, so like I really wantto hop into that.

(08:23):
And I got a couple of finalfantasy games I got.
So so, um, next month, I think,no, no, later this month final
fantasy rebirth is coming outonto steam and they had like a a
pre-release sale on it.
So I I ended up getting thatand I got a final fantasy game

(08:47):
that a lot of people don't likeand I never really gave it a
chance because of that.
So I was like, oh you know, letme uh check it out.
But uh, final fantasy 13 I like13.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's I.
I liked the the open worldaspect to it.
But I have to say my favoritefinal fantasy game is 12.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I just thought that the world building was so cool
in 12, but uh final fantasy 12is good and that that does hold
a lot for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think my favorite is 10 nice, that's a good one,
too rich.
Do you ever?
Have you ever played a finalfantasy and or have a favorite?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
so I, for some strange reason, I've only really
played seven.
I don't understand it, becauseat the time it was definitely my
.
I remember, uh, there was likea knights of the round table, uh
spell or there was a materia orsomething and there was a
knights of the round table andit was like an epic crazy move.

(09:43):
That was like 97 attacks and Ithought it was.
I remember it was so beautifulthat I called my father in, who
didn't play video games, didn'tknow anything about Final
Fantasy.
I'm like you have to see this.
It's so good this materia I'vegot, so I was like super into it
.
And I remember when what's hername?
Aerith?

(10:04):
Yeah, aerith, aerith gets, yeah,stabbed by Sephiroth At the end
of the first disc.
I loved it, and then I don'tknow why I haven't played any of
the other ones.
I tried to play the remakebriefly, but I just didn't have
it in me.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
The remake is really good.
It essentially takes the firsttwo hours of the original game
and expands it out to 60.
Really, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I spent way too many hours racing Chocobos to try to
get the right breed.
I think that's what scared meaway from going back.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I got so deep into chocobo breeding that it was, uh
, kind of disturbing so what Ilove about final fantasy I don't
know if we've ever talked aboutit on the podcast is that every
numbered um introduction intothe series is a new universe or
a new world, and they're notconnected.
That's so okay seven will neverconnect to eight, which will

(11:04):
never connect to eight, whichwill never connect to nine,
which will never connect to ten.
So that's why, within certainones, they'll have like final
fantasy 7, um dirge of cerberus,and it's an entirely different
game, but it's set in the finalfantasy 7 universe.
Yeah, that's why there was likethree final fantasy 13s, like
uh 13, then 13, 2 and 13, 3 Ithink yeah, uh, lightning's

(11:28):
return yeah, so you get a bunchof that.
The first, the first one I everplayed was 10 10 2, which was
just glorified fan service umyeah, I remember that that that
was the one with uh y.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Riku I think her name was Riku.
And then Pain, yes, Pain.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I forgot about that.
Yeah, that was I actually, butI liked it so much because I had
never played anything like thatbefore, so that opened the door
for me.
But yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I remember that .
I actually remember you playingthat.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean that was the first because I had played
Kingdom Hearts and I knew someof the Final Fantasy characters
were in Kingdom Hearts.
That was like a big steppingstone for me to get into the
Final Fantasy world and that wasthe new game that had come out
after.
I think it was the firstKingdom Hearts.
The new Final Fantasy game thatcame out after Kingdom Hearts
was X-2.

(12:25):
So I got that, I enjoyed it andI played a couple more after
that.
But oh, anthony, I have playeda little bit of Rivals, which
made me want to play Overwatch alittle bit.
So I played Overwatch a littlebit and I know like there's like
10 characters I've never evenseen before.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Like it's changed so much and I feel like there's
like 10 characters I've nevereven seen before.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Like yeah, it's changed so much and I feel like
they're pumping out morecharacters more often, is that?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
there, yeah.
So so I think that they'retrying to kind of up the
frequency of it a little bit sothey don't release a new
character every season, the it'salmost like every other season
they'll release a new character.
So this new season that cameout, they released a new tank.
His name is hazard.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So next season, though, that there won't be a
new character so do you have topay for hazard as a no, as a new
?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
oh, so you can just no so so you never had to to buy
the new characters.
At first they had put them intothe battle pass and so you had
to like kind of grind up to,like, I think, level 44 in the
the battle pass, but like youcould do it in the like the free
version.
They since then took them outof the battle pass.

(13:37):
I I honestly thought it was inpoor taste.
Some people didn't agree withme, but I thought that it was
really dumb that they would putnew characters into the Battle
Pass.
Because it's like dude, you havethis new character, this new
character that's going to changethe dynamic and whatnot of a

(13:58):
game, and then you have noaccess to this character
character you know and you youcan't really try this character
out until unless you paid forthe premium or you grind it all
the way up to level 44, whichyou know some people you know
like unless, like, you're ateenager or somebody that
doesn't have like a crazy amountof hours and a job.

(14:18):
You're just not gonna have thetime to do that.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Maybe on the weekends .
You have to grind to level 44every season to play the new
character.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Every season that there was a new character, you
would have to grind up to level44 that battle pass and then you
would unlock them.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's too much, yeah , that's too much, anyway, but
yeah, they took that off now.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Now characters are available right off the rip.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Nice, good Good for Overwatch players.
Have you been up to anythingelse, or it was just mostly
gaming?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Mostly gaming and watching this movie with hopes
that we make it through.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
The goal with this podcast is to reference the
movie as little as possible sothat you know the curse doesn't
befall us.
We just you know it goes rightover the curse's head no, I'm
kidding, but yeah, how about you, dakota?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
what have you been up to?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
we've been babbling on no, it's okay, that's all
right.
Um, that's all part of the game.
No, I I've been jumping intothat show.
I mentioned last time thedragon prince oh it's a netflix
exclusive show it.
It definitely has a very strongavatar, the last airbender vibe

(15:35):
even in like the the show'spremise.
I have not watched arcane, butI can see why some people would
compare the two and and yeah,it's Arcane's good, arcane's
really good.
I want to get into that.
I think that's my next tackleafter Dragon Prince.
But the seventh season ofDragon Prince just uh released

(15:56):
and it's supposedly the finalseason, so I've currently
watched.
I'm on season four now.
I'm I'm loving it.
It's it's actually so, so funuh, and it's such a well thought
out world.
Um, and and the main character,one of the main characters, is
voiced by the same guy who playssaka, and oh yeah, I remember

(16:17):
telling us that yeah's cool.
There's a really funny scene.
It's really not spoilinganything, but I had one of those
.
You know that gif of LeonardoDiCaprio pointing at the TV.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I had one of those moments where Sokka picks up
something that looks curved andhe goes or not Sokka?
He's not Sokka in this, hisname's Callum.
So Callum picks up this, thislike weapon it's kind of a
curved thing and he goesboomerang as if, like, he
recognizes boomerang fromanother life yeah it was just so

(16:54):
funny I died laughing.
But there's a bunch of thoselittle references from just like
pop culture in general thatit's really cleverly woven in
and basically the premise of theshow is humans and elves kind
of live on separate sides ofthis continent and they've been
in like a long winded battle forthe past 300 years.

(17:22):
The past 300 years untilrecently.
One of the kings of the humanskilled the dragon king, which
was kind of like the protectorof the continent and on the
elves side.
So that became a catalyst forthe story to to happen, where
basically now the dragon princeis involved and you know he's
the key to there being peace, sogetting this small egg back to

(17:43):
its home.
It's it's a really fascinatingstory and it's it's long-winded
in the sense that the, theinitial quest that they set out
on doesn't even get resolveduntil the end of season three.
So it doesn't like have hugejumps in in like time and it's
really I I'm really blown awayby.
Eventually I want to cover iton the show because I think, uh,

(18:05):
you guys would really like itthat'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I've seen it.
I've seen it around, but I'venever like taken a dive in it.
But it's, it's definitely on my, my watch list.
I'm I'm interested in checkingit out and so, like you know,
hearing about it from you, I'mdefinitely pretty stoked to uh
check it out.
I mean, I I started a well, Istarted a show.

(18:29):
It's not a new show, but it'salways something that I've heard
that's really good.
I know it's gonna be kind ofrandom and it it's not really
like this the type of show thatwe talk about here, but it's
called the wire.
It's an hbo yeah yeah, I heardit's really.
I mean, I've never actually sat, got sat down to watch, but
I've heard like that it's likeone of the best shows on hbo

(18:51):
along with sopranos, hbo is justsaturated with good shows.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
So, yeah, no, it's, it's.
Uh, I've, I've, I watched itwhen it was coming out, but I
was a kid at the time, so Idon't really remember anything.
But, yeah, that that's it.
That's pretty cool.
Uh, guys, we are 20 minutesinto our recording.
Should we jump into the?
Uh?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Episode that shall not be named.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Prisoner of that one prison that we can't talk about.
Rich, what is your relation, uh, to the harry?
Oh, you did.
You did mention that you werebig into harry potter, um, a
couple shows ago, or last show,I think it was.
What about the films like?
How do you like the films?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't know yeah, I mean, I think they're they're
fairly faithful.
Uh, I, I I really liked all ofthem.
I mean, I try, I'm trying tothink.
I think that the way it startedfor me was I may have seen the
first film and then, afterseeing it, then I decided I
wanted to read the books, like Ithink I had waited until just

(19:54):
before the sixth one came out, Ibelieve.
Uh, so you know, I was reallyinto the books.
I don't have really trying tothink.
I don't have any complaintsabout the movies, like character
descriptions, anything likethat, the things that think the
way things played out.
I I thought the the movies werereally a really faithful

(20:14):
adaptation to the books and Ienjoyed them thoroughly yeah, um
, I was reading the books beforethe movies came out.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think I, if I remember correctly, I started
reading the books when prisonerof azkaban came out, the, the
book, the novel, um, not thefilm that we shall not name and
I was basically the same age asharry was in in, like the early

(20:44):
stories, so it was.
It was very easy for me to jumpinto that character mindset and
um the world of hogwarts, butit wasn't until, I mean, it was
already like a global sensationat the time.
But when the films came out,that kind of changed everything,
because, a they were extremelyfaithful, b they were really
good and c they had such a cozyvibe I don't know how else to

(21:06):
describe it like they do youturn on.
You know the sorcerer's stone.
It just has like a charm to itthat doesn't seem replicable.
Like I I that HBO is working ona Harry Potter series.
I'm interested tentatively.
I don't think that they need todo that.

(21:26):
But maybe there's somethingthere that can be good.
I really don't know, but weshall see.
I just don't see how they'llrecapture that early 2000s vibe,
because really it was thatearly 2000s vibe because it
really was.
It was, it was almost like 90svibe, like bleeding into the
2000s, and there were certainpracticalities and in the ways

(21:48):
that they were filming at thetime that it just it just looks
so good because it was wasfilmed on film, not digital.
So I don't know, I I'm ramblingat this point.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
No.
No, you're right though,because that's essentially the
books take place in the 90s.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
And so, really, the time meshed well with how the
movies and the stories arecoming out For me.
Harry Potter we've talked aboutit before.
You were the one that got meinto Harry Potter.
The movies had not come out yet.
Potter, we've talked about itbefore.
You were the one that got meinto harry potter, the the
movies had not come out yet.
I think that I don't rememberwhen did goblet of fire come out

(22:28):
?
The movie, no, the book I wantto say 2004.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
was it 2004?
We have, let's figure this out.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Because I mean, if that's the case, then I started
reading Harry.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Potter before.
Oh no, it was published in 2000.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, and the first movie came out in like 2001.
Correct, so I had read.
I started reading the booksright after the Goblet of Fire
came out, because I rememberthat I think you had talked
about it.
You were like, oh, I think youhad gotten the book and I didn't
know I hadn't been part of theHarry Potter world, and you let

(23:12):
me borrow the first one and,dude, I was hooked.
I was hooked from then on andthen, yeah, so I got up to four
and then we had to wait for therest.
I had never been that excitedfor a series like to actually
like read a series in the sameway.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I don't think there's ever going to be
anything like that again, wherethere was just no culture around
reading but for young people.
You know there was before thatthere really wasn't a big
children's book series thatswept the world, and I don't
think we'll ever reach thatheight of anything again, just

(23:51):
because you know it was justwholly unique.
You know it introduced readingfor fun to a whole generation,
but anyway it did but itcaptured a lot more like it
wasn't just kids it capturedyeah adults.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
You know, like there's it's, it's tough, you
know, like you know we, we, youknow, would read.
You know tolkien and maybe cslewis, but like not every kid's
gonna read tolkien.
They might read cs lewis, butlike you know yeah your boy.
You know we already talked aboutlike how his stuff is like

(24:25):
pretty deep and it's a little.
I mean, it's hard for like akid to understand some of that
stuff too, and so I like the waythat that like yeah, like you
were talking about the faithfuladaptations, it really gave you
a visualization and a face tothese characters as we started

(24:45):
to read the new ones that wouldcome out.
I would picture DanielRadcliffe as Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, actually, that's a really good way to put it it
definitely gave voice, or itgave um a visualization, to the
characters, uh, in in ways thatI don't think anyone was really
expecting.
But yeah with, uh, with thefirst two movies directed by
chris columbus, they had a veryspecific.
They were almost like christmasmovies, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Very like wintry, um, a lot of snow a lot of a lot of
that but you could also likethey.
They were really good.
It was almost like thenightmare before christmas.
You could watch that in thefall, or you could watch that
during the winter, like you knowthey had like a really good
vibe.
Like harry potter is like reallygood to watch in like the

(25:36):
second half of the year.
You know you can watch itwhenever, um, but, like you said
, there's that cozy vibe andlike the coziness, especially,
like you know, in the areaswhere the the weather changes
and it starts to get cold and so, like you know, if you're in a
place that has, you know, like afireplace, you know like you're

(25:57):
watching harry potter, you'vegot the crackling of the fire.
You know you might, you may bedrinking some, some coffee or
tea or hot chocolate.
That really like enhances that,that mood.
You know harry potter, likeit's dude it's, it really does
like set a mood.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's kind of like sitting by sitting by a hearth
in like a yes, yes yeah, it'slike a, it's that vibe.
So what I, what I was trying tolike, what I'm getting at is,
with chris columbus, you hadthat vibe yeah, but with this
one with alfonso cuaron, hechanged that up quite a bit.
I mean, it's still, you know, acomfort movie.

(26:34):
Uh, the whole series really is,but this one is particularly
dark not only um tonally, butlike the, the themes are dark,
the actual visualization, thecolor scheme is dark and like
cold and it's not.
It doesn't have that hearthvibe.

(26:54):
If that makes, if that makessense, you know it doesn't.
It's not like a movie that'sgonna warm you up.
Yeah, yeah, I was really takenaback by.
They're not taken aback.
I've seen this movie a hundredtimes probably.
But the actual directorialimprint on this film I was
paying attention to more on thislast viewing and I was really

(27:16):
just he had a lot of flair.
It was a lot of flair, you know, like it was a lot of a lot of
really cool filmmaking that wedon't really get to see.
With the rest of this, this,this, not trilogy, but this
series like.
One thing that I noticed a lotof times is that he would fade
out of scenes by putting like avignette around the corners of

(27:37):
the screen when all the cornerswould get dark.
And then it would close in on acharacter's face Really just so
cool.
There's a lot of times wherecertain things are just blacked
out in the corners, like you'renot supposed to look at this,
this is what you're supposed tofocus on.
I love that kind of stuff andeven just the stylistic use of

(27:58):
magic.
I know I have a lot of issueswith the, the opening scene in
this movie where harry'sbreaking the law and and you
know, like doing his, like lumosunder his covers outside of
hogwarts, because that'sobviously you know that's a,
that's obviously an offense, abreach of magical law, but I
think it's a really justgorgeous way to open up the

(28:21):
movie.
You know, like with with thewarner brothers logo.
You know, you're like zoomingin on like this light.
That's like getting brighterand brighter as as he's
practicing, uh, lumos I know, inthat last one, what do you use?
Like lumos maxima, like bro,like he just shown the whole,
like house man and I love I lovethe uh, the coordination of
having vernon, vernon dursleylike just like, keep like trying

(28:44):
to like see what the heck'sgoing on like.
What is that bright light?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
you know what that reminds me of, that that reminds
me of um.
You know, like the kids of thattime would, would remember
stuff like that, the game boydude it had the same vibe, the
game boy vibe with a littlelight, and then you're like
playing.
You're playing pokemon, andthen, like you know that you're
not supposed to, and then, likeyou hear somebody coming, like

(29:07):
you like laid on your chest,like pretending that you're
asleep, and then you go oryou're.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
You're a junior in high school who's way too old to
be playing pokemon religiously,dude and I played all the way
through high school I wasplaying it in english class and
a teacher came to check ourhomework and I had to flip the
pages over and I could see thered light shining through the
pages of loose leaf.
Luckily he wasn't paying enoughattention so he just walked by
because I you know he's like no,that's just my dalek under the

(29:34):
pages.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, um, no, no, but , but I agree, uh, and and I
think that that tonal shift,especially for the movies, was
necessary.
Because the third book was atonal shift, because the first
two books felt very much so likeentry, like really good entry
level points for especially likekids that are like starting to

(30:00):
like read, like it was, it wasreally good and it didn't really
punish you.
Being a young kid reading thesebooks, like you might have not
understood some of the names,like I'm.
I'm gonna tell you, like Ibutchered hermione's name.
I didn't know how to say hername.
I did not know how to sayhermione's name until the movie
came out.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I was like, oh, that's how you say it yeah, my,
my mom like, because she wasalso reading the books.
She, she like, was very adamant.
Her name is hermone.
Her name is hermone.
I'm like, are you sure?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
how do you pronounce this?
It's, it's not, it's nothermone but yeah, so you know
this book definitely shifts inthe darker direction too.
Um, for me as a kid, likereading this book, it was
confusing to me.
Like, especially like towardsthe end, is like oh yeah you
know, like it's also or maybeit's a little bit rough, because

(30:58):
like you're reading the samething over and over, with, like
like variable changes you knowvery slight changes from maybe a
different point of view, butlike they're still explaining
what's happening and you justyou just heard about it and
you're like like I rememberreading about the time turner
but I'm like, oh my gosh, like Ijust read this, what happened?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah it's, it's a little, it's a little trippy,
uh, rich.
What do you think about the?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I guess the tonal shift in this movie as opposed
to the previous two, uh I thinkit makes sense, right in terms
of the harry's journey, Isuppose, right, it's like he
gets kind of cozy in number one,still still trying to figure
things out in number two andthen you kind of you, you get
the shift where it also doeschange Harry in a way.

(31:50):
I think he becomes, I don't wantto say self.
He doesn't fight, I don't thinkhe really treats himself as the
most important person and ofcourse you know he is the boy
who lives, so he battles withthat Right.
But there are times where, likelater on he does, he will make
decisions that are they're notwell thought out and they're,
you know, some of it, I think,is because of this whole idea

(32:12):
that he needs to constantly bevigilant.
And I think you start seeing itin this movie where you know
he's convinced that his dadcreated the Patronus and he just
won't listen to anybody, hewon't listen to any logic, you
know, which is.
You know, I understand.
I mean three years ago hedidn't know that magic was a
thing and now now there's magic,so maybe his dad is alive, but

(32:34):
he he so is, is into that, and Ithink that it's that becomes,
that really becomes an adultright theme there that you have,
where you have this well it's.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I want to jump in there because I I think that
that's actually a reallyimportant part.
Um, to like harry's story sorry, I have like sirens going off
left and right around me.
I don't know what's going onoutside.
Joker's taking over.
What was I going to say?
Yeah, so in the course of thismovie he meets all three of his
father's friends.

(33:06):
You know his best buddies, theMarauders.
He meets three of the Marauders, and one of the Marauders was
said to be a killer until hewasn't.
He actually is my godfather.
He's been looking after no,he's actually, he's just been a

(33:27):
rat for a long time.
So in that moment he seessomeone who's capable of
producing a Patronus that hecannot currently manage, and in
his mind he's thinking well, ifmy dad's friend just came back
from the dead, if my dad'sfriend broke out of prison to be
with me, if my dad's friendcame to teach at Hogwarts, then

(33:47):
maybe my dad's here you knowlike I can see that?
Yeah, I can see that going on inhis head Like he's overcome
with, like newfound faith in thepeople that came before.
And poor Hermione has to belike no one's coming, harry,
like that doesn't make senseHarry, yeah, so yeah, yeah yeah,

(34:07):
yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
You know I didn't, I didn't even really think about
that, that he, um, you know thathe could have had that belief
because of all that happening,but in the end he just ended up.
He ended up gaslighting himself.
It was him the whole time.
I just want to know why peter?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
peter.
See, here's what we all know.
We all know about the weasleyfamily.
Right it's?
It's a very, it's a very packedhouse in there, right I don't?
You could be a rat anywhere.
You know, he could go to franceand become a famous chef.
I just don't understand why hedecides to live with the
weasleys.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Not the Ratatouille reference so.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I don't know if this is like an actual, if this is
like fact or I'm just likecreating logic for the sake of
it, but I would imagine that hewould want to stay informed with
the goings on of the wizardingworld to a degree where he would
need to be around people whoare currently attending Hogwarts

(35:11):
or work in the Ministry ofMagic enough so that he can
basically get some insight intowhether or not he who must not
be named ever returns.
You know, because ultimately hesold himself out for that.
So that would be the onlyopportunity for him to come back
as a human.
Because, you know, he put oneof his friends in jail.

(35:32):
He, he's pretending to be dead,so a lot.
To me, the logic is he wouldwant to be somewhere in the
middle of everything, but, uh,with a family who would actually
take care of him, like themalfoys are never going to take
care of a rat, you know, I don'tknow, maybe, maybe that makes
sense to you, listener, thatmakes me maybe, maybe it doesn't
I I I can see that like theweasleys will feed him right

(35:54):
like the malfoys would have anicer house and everything and
maybe he'd have a a more swankylike a little hole in the wall,
but he'd probably have toscrounge for food a lot more.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
And you know, who knows, maybe at that time
dobby's not a nice guy to torats, so that could be a problem
.
Like maybe you know, one of thereasons why they don't want
dobby to get his freedom is wedon't really know but he's very
mean to animals like maybethat's the thing maybe that's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
One of my favorite shots in this movie is pretty
early on, when um harry's at theleaky cauldron and he's he's
joining the weasleys forbreakfast and it's this long
shot, um, I don't know if youguys ever noticed it, like when
they, when they come downstairs,um, and you know they point out

(36:44):
the fact that ron has, you know, been talking about uh, going
to egypt for you know the, youknow for the summer, to everyone
, that whole shot pans to.
You know we miss Weasley talkingto him and then Arthur Weasley
pulling him off to the side.
So there's, there's a whole rigset up for the, the entirety of

(37:04):
the shot, to go into like the,the cracks, cracks over here and
then back out to the wholefamily and it's a two or three
minute long take that has noright being as good as it is,
but it works so well becauseeveryone in this is such a good
actor.
At least they know their rolesreally well and I really
appreciate that.

(37:25):
And that's the great thingabout Harry Potter is that
everyone knows their roles sowell and I don't know how they
did it, but 90, 95 of the kidsthat they cast to play these
actors played them for eightfilms, you know, like we've
never seen that in a movie or tvshow.
Um, to that extent where kidsthat were hired as child actors

(37:49):
grew up to be adult actors inthe roles that they're playing.
I think that's so cool yeah, Imean, shoot some.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Some adult actors don't even make it to like the
next season of of a tv showrings of power, um, you know.
So, yeah, I mean, no, you'reright, like the fact that they
last, and you know this, thiswas 10 years, man, 10 years from

(38:17):
2001 to 2011, that that thesemovies came out they lasted
longer than dumbledore did.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
He got replaced, oh yeah oh yeah, he was it.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
This the actor died oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like,
that wasn't his fault.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well, if you, if you read a little bit of him on set,
he, uh, he wasn't helpinghimself out.
Uh, let's just.
I think michael oh really I'mnot sure if it's michael gambon,
I don't.
I know that's one of the actorsI don't want to he's.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Michael gambon is the second actor.
Okay, so the first one, I think.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
think his name is Richard something.
He was notoriously drunkard onset there were times where they
had to reschedule things.
He was kind of a hot mess onset.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
What I will say is I think the first actor, I forget
his name.
What I will say is I think thefirst actor, I forget his name,
but I think the first Dumbledoreactor did portray the role more
like I understood it as a kidin my head.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
He did a really good job, but that doesn't mean that
Gambon doesn't come into therole as the series progresses.
I didn't necessarily like himin this movie.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
It's Richard Harris, by the way.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Richard Harris.
Yes, yes, yes.
What else did he play?
He was in gladiator.
Uh, he was the.
He was marcus aurelius yeah oh,we should do gladiator on the
show sometime.
That'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Sorry, random thought no, no, but yeah, I, I agree, I
will say that, um, the, thesecond actor, I mean he, he had
to like kind of, I guess, get afeel for the role.
So this first movie with him init was maybe not his best, but
I'm gonna be honest with you I Iwould have been none the wiser,

(40:03):
because prisoner of azkaban isnot my favorite to be fair.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So not to say that it'sterrible, tell me about that,
Anthony.
Express your emotions to us,Like why do you hate?
Prisoner of Azkaban.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Why do you step on it when you see it in the street?
So I love a lot of whatPrisoner of Azkaban brings in.
Like you know, you get um,these like creatures, like the
dementors.
You get a really cool characterin serious black and remus loop
lupin, like, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of greatness
that came out of this movie andlike book, but it's just, you

(40:47):
know, with the introduction oflike the time travel mechanic,
for me that just did not feelmagical, like it felt very
sci-fi instead of fantasy, sure,that's, you know I.
I know that that mechanic isused in fantasy, but it just
wasn't my favorite and I feellike that sentiment is shared by

(41:07):
a lot of people, because younever see it again well, yeah, I
, I think they mention, I thinkthey mentioned time turners in
the fifth book, which is whenthey go into the ministry of
magic.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
supposedly time turners were basically made
illegal and then somehow theyall got destroyed during the
siege of the Ministry of Magic.
So clearly Rowling realizedthis is just like a deus ex
machina and needs to be put away.
It cannot possibly fix everyissue that they have and

(41:47):
ultimately, if you really pullthat thread, that's a plot hole.
You know, like the fact thatthey have the ability to just
turn back time.
If they turn it long enough,they can stop Voldemort from
killing Harry's parents if theywanted to.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I mean honestly, what was stopping them from just
making it a magical broomcupboard that transported them
through space and time?
You know that was larger in theinside than it looked in the
outside.
Time, you know that was largerthan in the inside, than it
looked in the outside, you knowyou know, um, oh wait, I feel
like I feel like that, that that, uh, that that that's been used
before somewhere.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I can't somewhere, somewhere well, at least there's
a broom cupboard that you knowteleports you magically.
Uh, later in this series withmalfoy, you know like there is
the room of requirement yeah,the room requirement has a broom
cupboard that goes straight tonocturne alley, which is like
how convenient is oh yeah, likethe um, it was like a pathway,

(42:45):
it was like two um borgen andburks.
Yeah, it was like a pathway.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
It was like two Borgen and Burks.
Yeah, it was like two wardrobethings.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, no, I know exactly
what you're talking about.
That's funny, but yeah, so Idon't know.
It's just, it was just never myfavorite.
I always watch it because I wantto watch the entire series.
But I go from the first twomovies, which I absolutely love

(43:11):
Maybe the first one more so thanthe second one, but the second
one is still really good andthen you get to the third one,
which looks really visuallyappealing, and now they're not
kids anymore, they're teens, andso they look different, and so
it's really cool to see like youknow them, you know a little
bit more grown up.

(43:32):
But, like my, my favorite onewell, as far as like books, my
favorite one is the goblet offire, because the it it really
made the world a lot bigger inthe book because you had the
whole, the whole world cup thing.
That was like it was a hugesection in the book and then and

(43:52):
it was like a smaller sectionin the movie.
But I know that we're talkingabout the, the third movie.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I'm, you know you're trying to express your thoughts
like express my right, right,right.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
My express my.
And then the fact that they hadthe other schools.
It really made the Harry Potterworld a lot bigger than just
Hogwarts.
Hogwarts and Diagon Alley andGringotts and stuff.
It expanded it outward a littlebit more.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
So here's what I'll say about Prisoner of Azkaban.
I share your sentiments to adegree.
I think that this movie isextremely visually appealing.
It's a gorgeous movie.
Absolutely.
The directorial stamp wasamazing.
I wish Alfonso Cuaron did moreof them, because dude had a
vision he had a good eye.

(44:43):
He had a good eye, he understoodwhat looks and feels magical
guy.
He understood, like, what looksand feels magical.
You know like, uh, there's alot of really cool locations and
like random character designsthat, um, I've learned to like
over the years, but so I I likethe first half of the movie a
lot, but as soon as the timeturner, I agree as soon as the
time turner comes into play andthe third act is just a retread

(45:07):
of the second act.
Oh boy it.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's, I think that's where the book loses me too yeah
, it loses me it's not, it's notreally his fault.
You know that's just how thebook is and you know I agree
with you with the vision and Ifeel like, had we got him for
like yeah, like if he did if hedidlet of Fire, that would have
been such a good movie.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Because, as it stands , Goblet of Fire is my least
favorite of the eight movies,with this as a second, just
because, no, I have to thinkabout that.
But Prisoner is definitely inmy lower tier, just because it's
my least favorite to rewatch,just because it basically, like
the, the ending plays twicebecause of the time turner.

(45:50):
Rich, how do you feel Like?
What is your thought on thetime turner mechanic and if that
affects your viewingappreciation at all?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I don't think it really does.
I don't mind it.
I mean, obviously they can'tuse it again and it has to be
kind of locked away.
But for me, I don't know.
I guess it's almost weird wherethe way I accept all the canon

(46:21):
is.
I just kind of download it asfact and move on.
I don't even question whetherit's okay or not.
It's just, this is whathappened to Harry Potter.
So I really do.
I like this one a lot.
I think it's because I reallylike the character of Sirius
Black.
I'm not sure, oh, absolutely Idressed up like him for

(46:43):
Comic-Con one year, so I don'tknow if I have a bias here.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Oh, you certainly do, I I.
I love the character.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
And then I'm kicking myself because I can't remember
the actor's name gary oldman.
Gary oldman, but he's scary,he's absurd, right like you know
he's, he's somehow he killsthat character.
He's serious, he's so good buthe's also like very differently,
commissioner Gordon right,whereas I don't know for me.
I remember the first time Iwatched the, I saw Hans Gruber

(47:16):
I'm blanking out on the AlanRickman right and I remember I'm
like, no, no, that's the guyfrom Die Hard.
It took me a while to accepthim as Snape, where I just think
that Gary Oldman is able to dosomething.
I don't know what it is, but heis different people whereas I
didn't feel the same.
So this movie might be one ofmy tops, even though it's a

(47:40):
little crazy, and I mean.
I'm also somebody who can rideon the same highway for years.
But then that one time I get onthe exit the, the entrance ramp
that I've never gotten onbefore I get on, I'm like, oh,
that's so cool.
So re-watching the same youknow act two again in act three,
uh, just seeing this littledifference.

(48:02):
Oh, it's, this is what happened, and you know it was actually
hermione howling uh, for me.
I I kind of enjoy it.
I don't remember reading it.
It's obviously much quickerwatching it, so it doesn't
bother me as much, but I do.
I'm a sucker for like slightly.
Like.
How did I guess perspectiveright?
How did this character see it?

(48:23):
How did this character see it?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
yeah, 100.
So yeah, I think gary oldmankilled the role of serious black
.
Like I'm, I'm so impressed byit because for years the the
character of you know himplaying commissioner gordon in
the batman series and himplaying uh serious in these
movies were completely separatein my mind.

(48:44):
They were different actors.
You know, like I did not I didnot agree I did not see it yes,
in the.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Moment I did not either.
Yeah, and it's crazy like that.
That means he was really busybecause you know, we had the
some the batman movies were kindof coming out around the time
that these, that these harrypotter movies were coming out
too.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, it's true he was a busy guy in the early
2000s.
But let's talk a little bitabout the dynamic at the end of
the movie, with the threeremaining Marauders and Snape,
because I find that that's sucha great scene.
You know, we finally all of ourmysteries kind of coalesce in

(49:33):
one moment where Sirius isn'treally dead, or sorry, sirius
isn't really after Harry Potter,he's after a rat.
And then Remus comes into theroom and he seems like a bad guy
all of a sudden.
And then you, you know thesetwo are teaming up with each
other and, uh, you have thislike, oh wait, my, my loyalties

(49:55):
should be, uh, are kind ofskewed at the moment.
What's going on?
And then they introduce, youknow, scabbers was a rat this
whole time, he was the rat allalong and that doesn't really
matter.
So Snape, because he barges in,you know he gets, he has his own
way of viewing things, kind oflike what you were saying rich

(50:15):
is that everyone has their own,uh vantage point of whatever
they're seeing.
And he's so happy to to seethat Lupin and Sirius are in the
same room because to him thatmeans like everything that he,
that means everything that hehas thought going into this
school year has been true, buthe's totally false anyway.
Also, I love that Harry's go-tomove, expelliarmus, has just

(50:41):
grown so powerful that he canjust.
It's supposed to disarm people.
It's supposed to just likewhoop, your wand is in the air.
That's what the spell issupposed to do.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Harry's is like a cannonball it just snipped right
through the the post of the bedand into the wall, and then it,
and then it like, just like it,it eventually grows into some
like freaking kamehameha beamlike oh, my god into like a red
beam dude, like, like it goes tolike full-on, like, um, let's

(51:16):
say like ghostbusters beam, likeyou know dude it's crazy.
And it starts like arcing um,like electricity too.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
It's crazy like plasma yeah yeah, it's crazy
it's really cool.
Um, I I love, I love the use ofthat kind of stuff, but, uh,
yeah, I I love that scene.
Also.
I love the, the, the subtledecision to like put everything
in the shrieking shack.
I know that that's part of thebook, but it was a decision on
the film's part not to make it astatic set.

(51:46):
Everything was swaying, youknow, like in the breeze, like
the entire building was likegoing left and right and left
and right.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So I like that too.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
It's just visually like what is going on.
This is such a magical place,this is such a magical world,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And like it's now that they did that, like you
couldn't imagine it not doingthat.
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Right, you feel that when you couldn't imagine it not
doing that, you know, right,you, you feel that when you
reread the books, so yeah,little stuff like that I really
appreciate.
Um, how do you, how do you feelthat they tackled the dementors
, uh, book to movie?
Because for me in my head theylooked like, when I read them,
they, they seemed more likeringwraiths, you know like

(52:31):
hooded characters.
Yeah, yeah hooded charactersthat had, you know, like you
couldn't really see their mouths, but in the movie it was just
kind of like cloaks that werejust covering their, their form,
with a big hole in the centerof the cloak.
Um, how did?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
how did you feel about the dementors and like how
they were portrayed I, I feellike they did close enough
because they do, or I feel likethey got close enough because
they do have a little bit ofthat Ringwraith-y feel to it,
but like more spectral ratherthan like an actual like thing

(53:07):
that you could touch, you know,like if it it seemed like you
know, if you were to go touch it, like your hand would kind of
like go through it and um.
So I mean, I I do kind of sharea little bit of that thought.
I think that that was myinitial thought too.
I think that, especially whenit comes to like reading things,

(53:28):
you, your brain tries toassociate stuff to something you
know.
Like when you're reading about,uh, harry, ron and Hermione at
at a younger age, you know I'mglad that they do kind of like
put you know their faces onsomething, so you kind of had a
little bit of a of a thing tograb onto.
So yeah, like when I first readabout the ringwraiths I mean,

(53:49):
not the ringwraiths, oh my goshthe dementors.
I did get that, that vibe rich.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
What about you?
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying tothink I guess I had assumed they
were more ringwraithy, but I Iguess, when you're thinking
about the way they work in thatworld, they're a little bit more
ephemeral, they're not?
Yeah, true, because I kind ofimagine them almost floating

(54:17):
between the cells in Azkaban,where they don't have to take
stairs or whatever it is,whereas the Ringwraiths were.
I mean, they couldn't crosswater.
Oh no, it's water.
Can't't, can't cross this.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, no, you got a good point there the portrayal
of the marauders and snape isinteresting here because you
know, by the end of the series II don't know, I the way I view
it, snape's been wronged um bythe marauders.
They're actually just a groupof annoying bullies.
Like you know they talk aboutJames so nicely, but when you

(54:54):
kind of take a step back, it'sweird to think that Lupin is a
teacher.
But when everything goes downlike he's, they're still like oh
, I hate Snape.
It's like, dude, you're likepresumably in your late 20s, at
at minimum right, and youhaven't gotten off over a high
school rivalry.
Like you didn't see that maybeyou and your boys picked on

(55:18):
Snape a little bit too hard andthat he was just kind of like
lovesick with you know, for Lily, uh, that's oh, that and the
fact that I mean I forgot howmuch it bothered me, or maybe it
didn't bother me back then.
But you have her eyes, you know,like just the way people will
say really, really weird.
Like this poor boy, his parentshave died, right, and it seems

(55:41):
like every time you meet someonethey have to be like oh, you're
just, you're just like james.
Or you have lily's eyes and,like the poor guy, maybe he's
just thinking I want to go tohogsmeade and get a butterbeer.
And then this dude's like oh,by the way, your mom died.
Uh, she was brutally murderedby a person whose name we won't
even say.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
So you know, there's that I also find it funny that
whenever they do show the mom,like the actress that you know
plays harry's mom they don'tgive her context, like make her
eyes look like Harry's.
It's a completely different eyecolor and everything.
It's just they're trying tojust suggest that these two

(56:19):
people have the same eyes.
But I've never been in aposition where I look at someone
and I think your eyes remind meof an entirely different person
.
That's so weird.
I've never thought that in mylife.
So I can understand as a baby,I can understand as me, of an
entirely different person.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
That's so weird.
I've never thought that in mylife, so I can understand as a
baby.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I can understand as a baby where you're like trying
to, like you know, piecetogether oh he has your nose or
oh, your eyes are spaced apartway too much, like your father.
Uh, stuff like that I canunderstand.
But I I've never been in aposition where, like you know, I
saw someone and was just likeyou know, your eyes remind me of
someone.
I haven't seen in 12 years.
How closely were you looking?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I did want to talk a little bit about.
We kind of glossed over RemusLupin a little bit.
I did really like his character.
I liked that especially.
I remember reading in the booksand it's emulated here in the
movies he almost kind of becomesa little bit of a father figure

(57:19):
to Harry.
You know, yes, something thatHarry wants like that familial
bond.
He doesn't feel that with theDursleys.
He gets that a little.
You know a bit with Ron andHermione and you know a little
bit of Ron's family, but this islike a strong male role model
that Harry can kind of like lookup to.

(57:41):
You know, I really like thatdynamic and it should, and they
show it really well in this,this movie.
You know, I like that wholething, like that whole thing
that he was having issues withthe Dementors targeting him and
Remus taking it upon himselflike I'm going to teach you how
to fight them off, and they didthat really well in the movie.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, and he kind of gets two father figures because
eventually he finds Sirius, whois willing to take him into his
house once his name is cleared.
Spoiler alert it never does getcleared, um, but yeah, I, I
think that that's it's.
This movie is actually likesuch a big tease for the, for

(58:23):
harry, you know, because he getsall of his hopes up.
He even thinks his dad is aliveat one point wrong, just to get
shut down just to get shut downat every turn.
Let's talk about lupin a littlebit and his transfer uh
transformation.
I remember when I first watchedprisoner of azkaban I'd really
disliked the, the transformationscene, or, like the, the design

(58:48):
of the werewolf character,because it doesn't really look
like a wolf, but maybe it doeslook like a half wolf, half man.
I I'm not really sure, but Iremember at the, at or around
that time, the movies um, whatwas it called underworld?
were coming out and those wereheavily about, you know,

(59:09):
vampires versus werewolves, andthe werewolves looked amazing.
They looked so cool, they wereso, like you know, beastly.
So seeing this like skinny,like professor lupin, um, was
really weird and I was just likenot what I expected.
I'll let it pass, I'll let itslide this time.
Uh, what are your thoughts on,uh, skinny wolf, professor lupin

(59:30):
?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I guess it matches.
I mean because because, maybeif it was like victor crumb,
right, like you know, then thenyou get the underworld ones, but
here you have, uh, you have,you have lupin, oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, for real, I just don't.
Uh, I and this is obviouslysource material stuff, right,
but I'm surprised he doesn'thave some sort of magical

(59:52):
medallion that stops him fromtransforming, right, isn't it?
What does he take?
I can't.
Does he actually take anythingto abate his mooniness?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, he does.
He has a potion that he has totake every full moon and that's
something that's brought up inthe film a couple times.
So Snape has been losingpotion-making material for his
classroom because Dumbledorerequests that he makes his

(01:00:25):
potion for Remus, ambledorerequests that he makes his
potion for for remus, and thenlater when he's, when remus
first sees the full moon, whichyou know.
Shame on you for not likelooking at a calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
remus like I mean that's where you decided to I
think that's kind of my point.
He it seems to be like verylike, oops, gotta take my meds,
you know type of stuff yeah,well, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
That's when, like serious, like runs over to him
and like you, idiot, did you nottake your medicine?
What's wrong with you, remus,my friend?
And he starts beating his chest.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, it doesn't really.
There's a bunch of fun, my bad.
And why does?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
he get hot.
See, look, I know theDumbledore.
I guess he's the type thatwould hire a convict in a school
district.
But I mean, just bring it in awerewolf, I mean, even though
you got the potion, you know Idon't know.
Also, Remus, like, I think youneed to rethink a career.
You know, like, maybe you knownight watchman at a school or

(01:01:18):
something.
I don't know if you should be ateacher at a sleepaway school,
Like, there are just a lot ofquestions, the hiring practices
of Hogwarts.
But you know, defensive againstthe dark arts is, is one of the
hardest positions.
I mean, nobody's got thosecertifications.
I mean, you know, all over NewYork state, you know, people are
looking for defensive againstdark arts and it's just, you

(01:01:39):
know, not a lot of people arestudying that anymore.
They just haven't found yourich.
Listen, uh, I would, uh, I'd bevery excited.
Uh, I, I, I do love English, Ilove literature, but I think it
would be somehow even better ifI were a Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Wow, high self-praise , very self-aggrandizing of you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Oh, yeah and yeah.
This movie slash bookintroduces the concept of the
Animagus.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yes, which is how Scabbers was actually a raving
killer this whole time, um, andsirius was able to break out of
azkaban.
So one thing I do want tomention there's a pretty major
plot hole that the movie createsfor the book that the book does
not have, and I understand whythey did it, it's a cost saving

(01:02:28):
time.
But the actual marauders map inthe book that the book does not
have, and I understand why theydid it, it's a cost saving time
.
But the actual marauders map inthe book it does not show peter
pettigrew on it.
So that's something that the,the film, made up so that remus
can get involved and eventually,like you know, find out what's
going on.
But uh, I'm assuming and theynever really bring it up in the

(01:02:48):
books, but I'm assuming that the, the actual marauders, are
never like are magically absentfrom the map, which is why in
the books we never hear aboutyou know, fred and George joking
around with Ron about how he'salways sleeping with a guy named
Peter Pettigrew, because ifthere was a Peter Pettigrew on
the map sleeping next to ronaldweasley, they would be kind of

(01:03:10):
weird because there's nobodythere hey, what?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
hey, who's that guy that you just, you're just with
every night?
Yeah, this is peter who's peter?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
yeah, no, it is kind of a weird little thing that, uh
, the movie adds that would be.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, logically, if, ifFred and George have, fred and
George have had this map, uh,since their first year and you
know it was Percy's rat beforeit was Ron's.
So, yeah, it's, it's all kindsof it's all kinds of backwards

(01:03:46):
with that.
But, guys, with that I think Ineed to call the podcast here.
I have a D&D game I have to getto right after this.
But thank you so much forlistening to us here for our
105th episode of ProjectGeekology.
We record this on December 33rd2024.
Don't get it wrong, what are we?

(01:04:10):
What are we guys?
What are we doing next week?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I, I actually had that in mind.
You know, I was like let's keepthis continuation trade going
on and we haven't done um a starwars in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
We should do um return of the jedi return of the
jedi happens to be the one starwars movie I've never seen, so
I guess we're gonna have to jumpinto that what let's?
Do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I'm kidding yeah, I was gonna say if you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
if you believe that my heart like I just I got, so
he's he's been, he's been like,lounging on a sofa, the the
entire time, guys, and and helike, he like, sat up up in his
seat so that you can clearly seethe.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Death Star behind me from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Return of the Jedi, return of the Jedi Death Star,
yeah, I thought that wasBattlestar Galactica back then.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Oh, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Certainly looks like it All right.
Yeah, let's jump into Return ofthe Jedi next week.
Rich you joining us yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I've seen that movie a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Rich, I think you're a regular.
At this point, we should just,you know, invite you on for good
if you can't make it to onepodcast, or I can't make it to
another.
Whatever, we'll figure it out.
But thanks so much for you know, joining us all these weeks now
.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Uh having a blast man yeah, I'm, I'm having a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I'm enjoying having a third person on the podcast and
I hope you guys listening alsoare yeah, yeah, it's really nice
to have that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
That.
That, uh, you know thatadditional person, you know
their, their perspective andwhatnot, and I mean honestly,
like I'm not opposed to you knowanother person if they want to
pop in.
You know somebody, obviously,that that we know to talk about.
You know whatever it is thatthey're into that we're talking
about in that instance.

(01:05:56):
But yeah, no for sure I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
All right, guys.
Again, thanks so much.
We will listen, or you willlisten to us next week.
You must.
You must listen to us next week, you must listen to us next
week.
Sorry, I was very forceful, butI mean it.
Thanks, guys.
Have a good one goodbye y'allno, wolverine.