Prometheus (2012)

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 135 of Project Geekology.
I am one of your hosts, Anthony,and this week we are going to be
covering Prometheus and Bob.
Yeah, oh, you thought this wasgoing to be an aliens podcast?
No, we are covering Prometheusand Bob from Kablan.
We are going to spend the nexthour, hour and a half, however

(00:22):
long this po podcast is, talkingabout a very small portion of a
small show.
And just kidding.
We're actually going to becovering Prometheus, which I
mean to some people is not partof the alien universe.
So was I wrong when I when Isaid y'all thought this was a
podcast, uh alien podcast?

(00:43):
But yes, joining me as alwaysis.

SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Dakota.
I I promise you, Floss, I didn'tknow where he was going with
that until he said, and Bob.
I I will say the Prometheus andBob shorts uh from from Kablam
are some of my the the favoritesome of my favorite things I
watched as a kid, and thereweren't enough of them.
Um I I think they numbered intolike the or like the the actual

(01:07):
shorts had numbers on them wherebasically Prometheus was this
extremely smart alien with thisincredibly stupid caveman, and
the it was a claymation short.
And the the the whole point ofPrometheus and Bob was
Prometheus had some incrediblescheme or test or something, and

(01:31):
Bob would ruin it somehow justby being present.
And uh they numbered into likethe the hundreds, if I remember
correctly.
Like they would be likePrometheus Prometheus and Bob
tape number 385 or something.
But really, there was only likea handful of them.
I think there was less than 20shorts that were produced.
Um, and I I wish there weremore, just it was it's such a

(01:52):
good little concept, and yeah,anyway.
Prometheus! It's the it's analien movie, guys.
There's aliens in this.
Um don't let anyone on thispodcast fool you.
There are aliens, they there'srobots, there are protagonists
that have uh the spelling E-L-Lat the beginning of their name.
There's a a company calledWayland Corporation.

(02:16):
There's a lot of there'sengineers.
There's come on, engineers.
Anyway, I'm I'm the second hostof the podcast Dakota, and I'm
joined, as always, withDisgruntled Rich.
Disgruntled Rich.
Here he comes.
Well, why are you disgruntledRich?

SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
I think that Prometheus and Bob honestly
sounds like it might be moreconnected to the damn franchise
than what we're about to talkabout tonight.
All right.
Honestly, if robot Ridley Scott,and that's about it.
All right.
I and I'm gonna be haunted,gentle viewers, dear viewers, by
the visage of one of theengineers that is constantly in

(02:55):
my eye holes because Anthonyused it as a background.
It is a haunting image of anengineer smiling.

SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
It's it's you know, it's it's clearly the actor just
like breaking character for amoment.
It breaks into the uncannyvalley of just like it's it's a
bizarre thing to look at, butalso charming.

SPEAKER_03 (03:13):
It's like the time that I I was going through a
toll booth and I saw a veryserious clown just on his way to
his next job.
And it's it's a weird thing tosee, man.
You know, like you usually seethem happy and jump bouncing and
not sitting at a toll waiting tothrow some quarters in.

SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
It's a real job, Jim, Jim.

SPEAKER_03 (03:30):
It's a real job, Rich.
It's like you just you just wentto bones from Star Trek.

SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor! I I actually I it's
funny enough you say that.

(04:03):
It obviously isn't, but youknow, it it had that feel
briefly, um, at least in thefirst half.
Well listen, what I what I whatI will say, uh listeners, is
Prometheus has gone throughseveral iterations of fan
dialogue.
When it first came out, it wasgenerally panned by viewers, but

(04:27):
by critics, it was raved.
So it was one of thosesituations.
Critics loved it, fans didn'tknow what to think of it,
because it changes the genetichistory of the xenomorph
creature to some extent.
And it doesn't ex it doesn't uhexactly explain how or why you

(04:47):
know all of this is is happeningin this movie, but it definitely
changes the origins of not justxenomorphs, but also humanity.
So it connects everything inthis uh big black goo situation.
Um and I a lot of people didn'tknow what to make of that, but
recently it is be it is you knowkind of like seen some

(05:08):
resurgence as kind of like acult classic within the
franchise, just because there'sthere's clear vision here.
It's it's made by a competent, avery competent director.
Uh it goes back to the classicbody horror roots of the alien
franchise.
It has the DNA of the firstalien film, and it's directed by
Ridley Scott.
So, you know, it is what it is.

(05:30):
But we'll talk about all of ourmisgivings, all the things we
liked about it, and everythingelse, and why Rish doesn't
believe this is an alien filmmore.
But for now, um, Anthony, likewhenever you like leave the
frame, like that that image justpops up, and it's like a it's a
jump scare.
It's it's an actual jump scare.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (05:49):
Just think of me smiling, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
Just I'm gonna think of you smiling over there while
you leave the frame.
Um Anthony, we'll start with youso you can get that face out of
my my screen.
Um what have you been up to thispast week?

SPEAKER_02 (06:02):
What have I been up to?
I don't know.
Nothing much.
Nothing much really, just umjust gaming.
Uh oh well, actually, tomorrowas of recording, is gonna be and
I was I know I know uh you andRich are, you know, kind of
whatever on it, but for those ofour listeners that enjoy it, uh

(06:23):
campaign four of Critical Rolestarts tomorrow.
So yeah, I'm that's actuallyvery cool.
Yeah, I'm pretty stoked aboutthat.
And uh Matt Mercer, who isusually the DM for he was the DM
for the first three campaigns,is actually gonna be a player
character in this one.

(06:44):
And a DM that's usually over onDimension 20.
It's like another like platform.
He's gonna be doing he's gonnabe DMing because he he had come
over and done uh a DMing for afew events for Critical Role.
So now he's gonna be a full-timeDM for this campaign.
So it's it's gonna be prettycool.

(07:05):
The dynamic is gonna is gonna bedifferent.
So I'm I'm pretty stoked to seethat.
But yeah, so yeah, not nothingnothing much for me, just
gaming.
Um watch something pop up intomy head like 30 minutes later
into the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (07:21):
Every time.

SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
Every time.
Uh what have you been up to,Rich?

SPEAKER_03 (07:26):
Uh let's see, I finally got my hands on Mario
Odyssey.
I bought I actually got a uhphysical copy, uh, which I was
very happy about because one daywhen my internet went down in my
house, I was uh very aghast tofind out that I wasn't able to
play many of my games, partlybecause I share um I share games

(07:47):
on my son's PS5 and I kind oflike they're kind of saved
there.
Yeah, there are just otherthings on the even the Switch
system that I I wasn't able toplay if I uh didn't have like
the game card shared or whateverwith uh with internet access.
So I started playing it and I'mreally excited.
It's exactly what I wanted it tobe.
I wanted it, I wanted an N64,Mario 64 kind of throwback, uh,

(08:10):
with just kind of bettergraphics, and uh I got exactly
what I wanted.
The only problem is that thebacklight on my TV has started
to go out.
So uh luckily Columbus Day iscoming up.
So it looks like I'll be in thehunt for that.
And uh I'm sure a lot of ourlisteners will be very upset to
hear that baseball season hasended for me uh because the New

(08:31):
York Metropolitans are one ofthe uh most uh inefficient uh
and uh embarrassing franchisesto be a fan of.
Um and uh yes, I did get fullseason tickets for next year,
and uh no, I didn't cancel them.

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Well, I'm happy that you didn't cancel your tickets.
Thankfully, one of the New Yorkteams is in the playoffs
currently.

SPEAKER_03 (08:52):
Maybe not for long, friend.
Maybe not for long.
By the time people listen tothis, it could be uh uh way over
for uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
You know what?
The they're playing right now,and I think they're tied last I
checked uh with the Red Sox.
I know Anthony would love if theRed Sox won because he's got
some ties uh to it to some he'sgot some Boston roots somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know you know, I have um you know I
have uh family members fromBoston.

SPEAKER_03 (09:19):
Don't you have a signed copy of Goodwill
Huntington by uh Matt Damon andBen Affleck?
How did he do that?
So this is the visual, thevisual response is that Anthony
immediately put up a backgroundof the Boston Red Sox.
I love it.
Okay.
Um you know what, guys?
Listen, this is the greatestdevelopment ever, right?
We finally got to the pointwhere we got Anthony to jump

(09:42):
into the baseball conversation.
So uh it took all season, 160.

SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Even if it just meant he was gonna put on his
colors.
Yeah, you know, like that'sthat's it.
I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
You know, I just do it.
I just do it to like messaround.
I always like to mess aroundwith Rich, like, you know, hey,
look, man, this game ishappening.
When they're playing the whenthe Mets were playing the
Marlins.

SPEAKER_03 (10:06):
I uh I was fooled into thinking that you might go
to the stadium for a bit.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
Another day.
I'm not driving an hour and ahalf to go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
Yeah, it's nuts.
But that's cool.
You got uh you're you're gearedup to play some Mario Odyssey.

SPEAKER_03 (10:24):
Um let's not get into this again, ladies and
gentlemen.
Let's just say it's Luigi'sbrother.
Can we agree that's Luigi'sbrother is Odyssey?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:36):
I always pronounce it Luigi.

SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
How do you say the guy's name who's in opposition
to our lead, our lead plumber?

SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
It's Wario, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
Yeah, I call him Wario.
Do you call it Wario?

SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
I call him Wario.
Wario, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (10:57):
So we go from Wario to Mario.

SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
Very good.
This isn't a battle that willnever end, ladies and gentlemen.
We we probably we probablyshould uh start with uh with
Prometheus over here.
Uh let's let's start off withthe cast, because I this is
something I can be positiveabout.
I did like the casting.
I was surprised to see uhCharlie Steron.

(11:21):
I didn't know that it I likeagain.
I have been forced into beingput in the dark by these two
gentlemen here.
So for these movies, I've beenI've shackled myself.
I am not watching, I'm not doingany research, I'm not reading
anything, I'm just putting themovie on.
So I have no idea what toexpect.
I was shocked.
Michael Fassbender is in this,for some reason he likes taking

(11:44):
uh riding on a bicycle andshooting a basketball at the
same time.
I guess we'll talk about thatlater.
But I can say the casting Ithought was delightful.

SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
I I 100% agree with you.
Um it just elbows in itrandomly.
Benedict Wong.
Uh, we got some pretty bignames.
I I think a lot of them arebigger names now.
Um, but yeah, we we I I doreally like the casting in this
movie, and uh I'm I'm pleasedthat uh you did as well.

(12:13):
I I'm curious if if you guysthought that the basketball
scene had any reference toResurrection and that basketball
scene.

SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
Oh.
I mean I just thought it wasweird because of the fact that
he's I mean obviously he's alittle more, you know, whatever,
advanced or no, wait, this isbeforehand.
So I just if you look at therobot from the first movie,
right, there doesn't seem to beany kind of pleasure seeking or

(12:45):
or need to exercise, right?
Like it it it doesn't seem likethat's the case.
So I was a little put off bythat.
I mean, now that you mention thebasketball scene, it does make a
little bit of sense.

SPEAKER_01 (12:59):
Because she does, Ripley does have a scene in that
movie where she throws the ballbehind her and it goes in the
hoop without her looking.
Fast bender does that on thebicycle without looking, over
the like, you know, over thehead.
And so it might be a small nodto, you know, like the the
shared history of this um crazyuniverse.

(13:20):
Um I don't necessarily think Ilook, I highly doubt Ridley
Scott enjoys Alien Resurrection.
You know, it seeing where hismovie was taken in just three
simple sequels probably irkshim.
And that's probably why he youknow took the reins back for the
next couple of movies.

(13:41):
Um because he's doing he didCovenant as well.
So we're we're gonna followRidley Scott into the next movie
as well.
So he he kind of took the reinsback with Prometheus and um
reground the story with analmost a new origin.
Uh well it is a new origin forfor for everything, you know,
like the whole galaxy perhaps.

(14:03):
Um and not a lot of answers.
Uh Ridley Scott loves to dothat.
He he loves to ask us a lot ofquestions, give us hints at
answers, and there's more hints,uh there's more answers rather
in this movie than there was inthe original Alien, but there's
still a lot of mystery left offby the end of this movie.
But let's yeah, let's start withMichael Fastbender's David.

(14:25):
Uh Anthony, what are what areyour thoughts on this robot as
opposed to Ash or Bishop in thefut in the next one?

SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
Uh I guess maybe because of this being I think
that this is in the timeline,this is the first movie, right?

SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
Yeah, this is the first one.

SPEAKER_02 (14:42):
Right.
Okay, so obviously his androidis dated.
He you can kind of tell thathe's an android.
You know, it's not he he's verylike robotic.
You see it in his face.
Michael Fastbender does a reallygood job at that, like kind of
devoid of emotion, but trying tomimic emotion, you know, like

(15:05):
he's trying to mimic emotion,which is pretty cool.
Right.
But like it's very robotic, andyou can tell.
So I think he does a really goodjob with that.
So yeah, no, I like yeah, I Ithink I I I enjoyed it.
I thought that he did a reallygood job.

SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
And almost 30 years later with Ash and Alien,
they're a lot less perceptible.
You know, like they they'vegotten to a point where you
can't really tell that they're arobot unless you're like looking
for it.
And for whatever reason, when itcomes to aliens, uh 57 years
after the original alien, Bishopis a little bit more robotic.

(15:43):
Um perhaps, you know, likestronger or faster or whatever
than uh Ash or David.
Um, but the the general vibethat he that Bishop gives us in
that movie is more akin toDavid's, you know, like you can
tell that you know he is tryingto speak like a very proper

(16:05):
individual, you know?
Whereas uh so I I wonder if it'sit's actually Ash was supposed
to be uh incognito.
He was supposed to blend in withthe the rest of the crew.
I think that might be just likehis programming versus Bishop,
who is meant like there uh atthat point in time, it's it's
natural for them to have anandroid on or a synthetic on the

(16:29):
ship uh for any of these typesof missions.
So he's not he's not incognito,like there's no reason to hide
his uh his stuff.
And then by the time ofresurrection, 200 years later,
you have the autons, which islike another branch off of that,
which are much more human-like,you know, like you you wouldn't

(16:50):
even know, you know.
Um, and they they for allintents and purposes do have
emotion.
So it's it's it's a weird umhistory that all stems back to
David.
What did we think of ourarchaeologists, Ellie and what's
this other guy's name?

(17:11):
Um it's a very normal name.
I can't recall his name at all.
Charlie.
Yeah, it's a very it's yourson's name.
I should have I should I shouldhave been like, hey, that's my
son's name.

SPEAKER_03 (17:26):
But uh so that's not something that happened, guys.
And uh I don't really want youguys to uh continue to judge me
just because I don't remembersomebody's my my son's name.
Uh you know what, you know what?
Maybe maybe that speaks to thefilm.
Maybe that's not on me.

SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
I know actually whenever I meet someone named
Mike, which is like the mostcommon name in America, um, and
that I I know that that's myfather's name, and I know that
that is the middle name of uh myfather-in-law, my
brother-in-law, and a bunch ofpeople I know, that name will
completely go over my head.

(18:03):
I don't remember it.
I as soon as I like lose sightof that person, I don't remember
that they are a mic anymore.
You know, like it's so I get it.
I do.
I do.
Uh yeah, so Charlie and Ellie.
I thought I did think it waskind of fitting-ish or kind of
like a nod that instead ofEllen, it's Ellie as uh as the

(18:25):
protagonist, the main femaleprotagonist.
Even though Ridley Sc RidleyScott didn't name the character
of Ellen Ripley.
Um because for whatever reasonhe only gave us her last name.
But anyway.
So yeah, he was just likeRipley.
Just Ripley.
Just ripping new ones.

SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
You know, she does have like a Ripley moment,
though, man.
Like she's just like she has analien inside her at one point,
you know?

SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Dude, that was a creepy scene.

SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
That was a creepy scene, and it was like a squid,
you know.

SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Yeah, it was completely there's dude, there's
so much in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Um I saw when I saw that, like I was just like, just
I got the immediate connectionto the rest of the alien movies.

SPEAKER_03 (19:08):
I I it it was almost like okay, like I I'm gonna
address that scene.
It's literally like they put inlike seven things and they're
like, this will make it an alienmovie, alright?
Uh that okay, and I won't lie,that was a pretty cool scene,
and I honestly felt there was apart of me that was like she's
going to get attacked againbefore she gets out.

(19:29):
Like, I I almost thought shewasn't gonna get away for half a
second, so they got me.
It was it was good, all right.
And uh it was pretty uh, youknow, pretty tough of her to go
and have it extracted herself.
I I won't lie, but I felt likethat somebody watched, they did
like a test audience, andthey're like, There's no alien
in somebody, and they're like,Alright, let's go back and write

(19:52):
it in, you know.
Like Ridley Scott's like, we'regonna do that old thing again.
Fine fan service.

SPEAKER_02 (19:59):
I don't know if it was tough though.
It was definitely a tough scene.

SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
I do think that was baked into the story, like, from
the get-go, because it does comeback to attack her at the end of
the film and eventually kind ofbecomes her savior, and then uh
obviously the the baby, whateveruh you want to call it, um, kind

(20:24):
of becomes this gigantic facehugger by the end of the movie
and impregnates the engineerwith a proto-xenomorph,
actually.
And the the production notesthey call it deacon, just
because it it has like the thehead shape of like a uh like a
Catholic deacon.

(20:44):
So that's what they call that,but it was very xenomorph-esque,
and it almost kind of lookedlike the alien three one when
that first popped out.
So there was a xenomorph.
It might not have been like thexenomorph, but it was it was
there.
There it's definitely there.

SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
In the very end, so it okay, let's see.
It it was a rather long movie.
Can one of you describe so whatis the new origin of the
xenomorphs?
Uh it it it's in a I've beenmapping it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
I've been mapping it.
Okay.
All right, with Prometheus, weare not on LV426, which is the
planet in alien and aliens,first and foremost.
So that is a different ship thatthose humans encounter, that is
a different engineer, that is adifferent cargo.
Um, the cargo being those alienpods.

(21:40):
On this planet, LV426, or LV223,that's the planet in Prometheus.
Um, and going back even further,we we have the beginning scene
of the black goo um beingabsorbed by the engineer um
somewhere in Iceland, and hebasically permeates the world

(22:02):
with a primordial soup,basically engineering life on
Earth.
That then jumps you know,millions of years later, these
dudes are for whatever reasontrying to do something different
with the black goo becauseeverything that happens in the
movie past that point, the blackgoo has a different reaction to

(22:22):
its, you know, to the the thingsaround it.
Instead of completely destroyingthe cellular structure of the
things, it's mutating andchanging them into weaponized
features.
So you'll notice that there wereworms inside that room with all
those vases, and they turnedinto uh there's a term for it.

(22:44):
They call them hammer peedsbecause they kind of have a
hammerhead type shape.
Um so the the worms turned intohammer peeds that you know
attacked.
And um the same goes for the theblack goo going into Charlie,
who then um impregnates Ellie,who then gives birth to that
monster um that you know isalmost like squid-like, who then

(23:09):
goes into the engineer, who thengives birth to a different
variant of the xenomorph.
It's almost like aproto-xenomorph structure.
So I your question being, isthis the new origin of
xenomorphs in the galaxy?
I don't think so.
I think this is just a variantthat evolved completely

(23:31):
differently.
Um, because the the likelihoodthat they would have had a human
impregnate another human to givebirth to that, to then do that,
and then, you know, like burstout of an engineer is just
completely unique to this movie.
So but but I do believe that thenew intent of what Ridley Scott

(23:51):
is suggesting is that the blackgoo did permeate life for the
xenomorphs.
And the xenomorphs are basicallyan engineered weapon that who
knows how long they've beenaround because the engineers
have been around for thousandsof years, you know.
So it's it's kind of hard tosay.
So I don't think that there's adirect lineage from Prometheus

(24:14):
to Alien, besides, you know, thethe time difference.
I don't think any of those Idon't think that Deacon
Xenomorph made it over to LV426and seeded all those pods.
I think that's a completelydifferent branch of that
creature's history.
Does that make sense?
Is that does that answer somequestions?

SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
Yeah, it actually does.
I was a little because I I I waskind of you know, I I was kind
of used to what we had seen.
So I I kind of just kind of wentinto it.
I don't want to say taken forgranted, but I I just assumed
what I I knew what I know, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Yeah.
Anthony?

SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Um something that I noticed about this film, and it
it's it's similar to theoriginal, is the pacing.
You know, there it's a bit of aslow burn.
It's not action right away, justlike the original.
The original there was thatgradual build-up until you got

(25:09):
the xenomorph.
And you know, even then, likewhen we got the xenomorph, like
really, really got thexenomorph, it was like in very
small portions.
So this was kind of like thatsame thing, you know, they get
there, something kind ofhappens, but like you you don't
always get the action, you know,it's not until later on where

(25:31):
you started to see what exactlywas going on.

SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
Yeah, I like that.
And again, it feels it's it'svery much a really scott movie,
and he he kind of wanted thatfeel of alien, you know.
Um it's it's a lot less grittyand dark.
So the first film was definitelylike truckers in space uh
encounter or something that theycouldn't, you know, deal with.

(25:54):
This movie is more scientificand archaeological, and yeah, I
I I thought I thought thepremise of this one was very
cool.
But you know, going going backto what Rich Rich's uh
misgivings with the movie, likeyou you felt you had some
understanding of the creature,the xenomorph, up until this

(26:16):
movie, and that kind of upendedhow you feel about them as this
ancient race of evolution, Iguess, you know, and they they
definitely are an evolutionarycreature because they they
evolve with their hosts andeverything, but it's not the
same as something that's evolvedover millions of years by itself
to become the perfect weapon,you know?

(26:38):
And I think that's what everyonethought up until this movie came
out.
And now that's why like a lot ofpeople had some serious
misgivings.
Like, maybe they shouldn't havegiven us the origin of this
creature because that ruins someof the mystique that's inherent
in the story and kind of makesthem less scary in a way.

(26:59):
I mean, it doesn't make themless scary, but it knowing more
about your enemy makes theminherently less terrifying just
because you know you you havesome background on what they
are, what they're capable of,whether where they're coming and
where they're going, you know?
So yeah, so I I I get that.
I I get why you feel I mean, doyou do you feel like you've been

(27:23):
gypped a little bit with thisstoryline?

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
Yeah, because I always kind of believed that
they were like the brood fromthe X-Men.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
Like I was I was expecting to sometime at some
point go to a brood planet andand that's why I kind of like a
couple episodes ago, I was kindof like wary to say yes or no to
that just because I, you know,like but um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
I anticipated like going to a uh, you know, like at
some point we we end up on abrood on a you know the
Xenomorph planet, yeah, andthere's just like I don't know,
uh a crazy cast of characters ona suicide mission to Xenomorph
Planet to gather data orsomething, you know.
Like I was waiting for I was tokill the queen of all queens.

(28:09):
I was waiting for some crazyflamethrowing act, like crazy
flamethrowers, like Queen ofMiss Prime.
Yeah, like you know, drillingdown just them swarming in the
dirt.
Like I just I had so many ideas.
And this movie just went in sucha completely different direction
and changed, I thought, the thelore, the canon of their pretty

(28:32):
dramas dramatically.

SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
It's it's a it's a huge monkey wrench in a lot of
people's understanding of thisfranchise.
Um are are you, Anthony, like ofthe same mindset?
Does this uh before you had seenthis movie, did you feel a
different way about the alienspecies, the xenomorphs, and
does this movie negativelyimpact your understanding of
them?

SPEAKER_02 (28:54):
So I feel like because we we get the
introduction of the engineers,right?
And I feel like any likehumanoid or hum or human aspects
to the xenomorphs make a littlebit more sense just because like

(29:16):
technically technically humanityand the xenomorphs are like made
by the same beings, you know?
Right.
So for me it gave them a littlebit more of a connection.
And I guess like also it made italso gives it a reason why the
aliens are were probably sowilling and e or the xenomorphs

(29:39):
were so willing and easy to justattack humans in the in, you
know, the original quadrilogy,um, is that somewhere down in
their lineage they did have somesort of interaction with humans.

SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
Yeah, I guess uh yeah, I mean it it would make
sense.
You know, actually I I'm I'mgonna pause the not the podcast,
but like the I'm gonna I have aquestion because you guys
watched um Alien vs Predatorlast week, right?
Or the week before.
There's there's almost like anarchaeological element to that

(30:18):
first movie, you know, likewhere they they are digging for
clues about this, I'm assumingthe alien race, right?
The xenomorphs.
And I don't know if do you feellike because I it's been a while
since I've seen that movie, butI got the same vibe from the
presentation in that movie oflike the Xenomorph's origins in

(30:40):
Alien vs.
Predator that I did in uh forlike the presentation that Ellie
and Charlie gave uh aboard thePrometheus ship when you know
they were saying everythingabout like the ancient histories
of these worlds, depict this inthe stars and all that.
Do you think there's any likenot obviously like a can a canon
link, but do you think thatthere was any um like cross uh

(31:04):
pollination of ideas here?
Like, did this potentially didAlien vs.
Predator um potentiallyinfluence this movie?

SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
It's just such a trope, right?
That the aliens built thepyramids type thing, right?
Like it's yeah, like there'sactually it was the predators.

SPEAKER_02 (31:23):
It was the predators of the temple, yeah.
Sorry, but uh I do no no, butbut I do I I do see where you're
going though, Dakota.
And I do see that maybe thatidea was kind of you know, like
ancient civilizations alwayshave some sort of temple, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Yeah.
Rach, what were you saying?
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
No, I just it it it does it's uh it's such a common
thing in movies and literature,I'd say, like this idea that you
know or conspiracy theorists,right?
That the the way the only waythat any of these things could
have been built was was the uhthe intervention of some sort of

(32:01):
advanced species that visits usevery once in a while to push us
along and you know give us AIand iPhones and stuff.
So I it is similar, but I Idon't know if I w I'd go so far
as to say that like it'sintentionally done.
I just think it's it's just aneasy could it could it have been
influenced per perhaps by by thefilm?

(32:23):
I guess the question is does didRidley Scott allow Predator vs.
Alien to influence him?
And I don't You don't see that.
Not him.
I don't if it was a differentdirector, I might say yeah, you
know, but maybe they they theykind of nudged it that way.
I I don't it it would beinteresting because I do I did
like the Predator backstoryactually.

(32:44):
For for some reason, Ithoroughly enjoyed that one.

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
Okay, uh so let's talk a little bit about Ridley
Scott because around this timehe was making a couple movies
that were almost like rel well,they are they were religious in
nature.
So he he made Prometheus, whichis about meeting your creator or
creators, plural.
And then either just before orshortly after this, he made

(33:10):
Exodus uh I think it's Gods andKings or something, gods and men
or something.
Um, so he he has this desire toit it's clearly a fascination
with him, at least at this pointin his career, the the idea of
there being uh higher powers atB.

(33:32):
What did you guys think of theearly pollination of Earth, uh
essentially terraforming it andcreating like the primordial
soup that eventually becamehumanity, like and and life on
Earth?
Like what are your what are yourthoughts on that?
And what do you think hismessage was there?

(33:54):
Let's go to Anthony.

SPEAKER_02 (33:55):
Yeah, like you said, like you know, like he really
went like the philosophicalroute in this one, and so I
guess that narrative if it was alittle it was a little a little
odd, you know.
There are definitely somemoments in this movie, and I
don't know if it's because oflike the pacing and or because

(34:17):
of how different it is from therest of the series that you get
kind of taken out of the moviesometimes, and I feel like
whenever it got to some stufflike this, it kind of took me
out of the movie a little alittle bit.

SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
Because it was such a broad concept that I
understand.
Yeah, it's almost like so outthere that it's like, hold on,
you're telling a different storyaltogether now.
Like, is is that is that thegist of what you guys are
saying?
Oh, you pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:46):
Like like a movie that's not alien, right?
Like like like he he's makinganother movie, folks.
He's making another movie, allright?

SPEAKER_01 (34:55):
No, I I mean I don't I don't begrudge him the idea of
like choosing to you know usethe alien franchise as a vessel
for us another story that hewants to tell, you know.
Like that's kind of like StarWars being uh you could tell a
Star Wars story without showingus a single lightsaber, you
know.
It's and once upon a time thatwould have would have never been

(35:17):
even a possibility, but we nowlive in that world.
But yeah, I'm sorry, Rich.
I I kinda I cut you off a littlebit.
No, I was just beingantagonistic, right?
Ah yeah, you you're the youeveryone's gotta be a villain at
least once a podcast.
Like once uh every podcast needsa villain.
Yeah, that's that's basicallywhat it it boils down to.

(35:38):
Today you're the villain.
You're David, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (35:41):
Yeah.
Normally my role is just uhmention the the next the next uh
part of the franchise that we'retalking about and accidentally
spoil everybody at home.
But uh this time it's uh Yeah, Ilook I agree with Anthony.
It it the uh the idea is okay,but I I I'm not interested in
how Earth was formed.
I I I I guess that's what I likeI'm that's not what I'm here

(36:04):
for.
Like I'm I'm here for some juicyaction.
And this is how we know this isan alien movie.
We are 42 minutes intorecording, give or take edits,
ladies and gentlemen, and I willtell you something.
This is the first mention ofjuice.
We have not mentioned juicyaliens one time.

(36:25):
I if you go back, we must havesaid juicy like 17 times an
episode, alright?
We get to 42 minutes.
Anthony, how do you feel aboutthe lack of juice?

SPEAKER_02 (36:34):
Well, you you know, honestly, to tell you the truth,
Rich, you know, I'm glad thatyou brought that up.
I'm really, really glad that youbrought up the the severe lack
of juice level.
Because when I think of ourreviews, I don't want them to
lack juice.

(36:54):
I want them to be xenomorphjuicy, you know, like that scene
that you're talking about inAlien vs.
Predator where the juice likedrips off and ends up in
somebody's mouth.
The best.
Like we want that type of juicy.

SPEAKER_00 (37:09):
This this bit has gone on way too long.
I can't believe this is like astaple for this stupid podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (37:18):
Please give us a five-star juicy review.
I love that we went from burgersto just like disgusting
xenomorphs.

SPEAKER_01 (37:28):
I okay, there is there is juice in this movie,
okay?
We can't deny that there isjuice in this movie.
It doesn't come in the form of axenomorph, even though it's a
little slippery when it firstemerges from the uh uh xenomorph
at the at the end.
But that's to be that's that'sthat's normal, you know.
Birth is messy.

(37:48):
But but there's a lot of juicein this movie.
I mean, we we immediately see auh a xenomorph drink is juice in
the beginning of the movie.
It's a little gross looking, itlooks like it has some chia
seeds in it.
Weird, but juice, black juice.
Anyway, uh when we go into uhthat cave in LV223 where all of

(38:13):
the uh pillars are, as soon asthey break the atmosphere seal,
what do they do?
They start juicing those thosethings, they just start oozing
juice, like it's just it's justjuice everywhere, and by the
time they come back to thescene, there's so much juice,
it's like all listen, the juicehas turned the worms into hammer
peeds.
It's there's a lot there's a lotgoing on in this movie.

(38:37):
Not to mention that there's analien xenomorph, or there's a
not a xenomorph, but uh engineerhead that becomes so juicy it
literally pops.

SPEAKER_02 (38:45):
So there is do you feel like this movie explains
why xenomorphs are so juicy?

SPEAKER_01 (38:52):
Oh no, no, that's a mystery that deserves to stay in
the mystery bin.

SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
It's like they're in the it's like they're in the
water, but not in the water.
That's like they're just alwaysdripping like they just got out
of the water.

SPEAKER_03 (39:06):
I I have a mystery, guys, that maybe you can help me
solve.
Maybe Idriselba's character isuh to my knowledge just kind of
a pilot, right?
He's just the captain.
Just the captain.
And uh how what what expertiselevel does he have in
recognizing virulent biochemicalplan uh production planets?

SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
Excellent point.
Yeah, I was thinking the samething when that scene popped up,
but he he suddenly has like thisanswer to the question that
actually is true in terms oflike what's going on in the
story, as far as we know, wherehe basically says, you know,
these guys aren't your creators,they're they're here.
I mean, maybe they are thecreators, but they're this is

(39:53):
they didn't call you here to sayhello, they they you know
they're going out and they'redestroying these are super
weapons that they're creating,which is true, you know.
Yeah, super uh so I don't knowhow he got that knowledge.
He must have just pieced it likeit may it came to him in a
dream, you know, like this islike we gotta get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 (40:13):
It's it it that one and I and you know, and I and um
look, I think by that point I'mkind of starting to nitpick a
little bit, you know, but uhit's just I think I was where
like in another movie, like it'sfunny because if that's in like
Alien Resurrection or which isthe one I I really like too.
Like if that was an Alien 2, I Ijust like hand waving.

(40:34):
No problem.

SPEAKER_01 (40:35):
Because there's a lot of hand waving that you can
do with Aliens, uh the secondmovie, just because like they
don't even give you an answer asto why they call them a
xenomorph.
Like, where did you come up withthat term?
Um uh or an alien three uh in inthe scripts, in the
novelization, in the specialedition, in the theatrical

(40:57):
edition, they never explain howthere were two two face huggers
on their life lifeboat shuttleleaving, but they are they're
there.
Uh anyway, sorry.
Um, yeah, so uh no, it's okay tonitpick.
Uh, and I do think that that wasa poor line, like it was just a
strange bit of like, well,someone's gotta, you know, tell

(41:19):
the audience that these guys areevil, because it's kind of
confusing at this point.
Like, what's going on?
Maybe they just like monsters,who knows?
So uh going back to my questionabout the I guess the purpose of
this movie in terms of like italmost is like someone told

(41:42):
Ridley Scott, prepare to meetyour maker, and Ridley Scott was
like, huh, that's a weirdthreat.
Let's turn that into a movie.
Um and they met their maker, andhe's a bit of a jerk, you know?
He's just immediately tossingpeople around, just like ripping
robot heads off of limbs andstuff.

(42:04):
Not he the specifically theengineer, but like the they um
as a plural collective um arekind of jerks, as far as we
know.
Why and what is the why?
We don't know.
We don't know.
They never explain that.
But what I do like about thismovie is that it gives you an

(42:28):
out.
As like if you're a person offaith and you find that this is
like almost sacrilegious to talkabout, even though this is
fiction, you know, this is afictional universe, you can you
can make the creator whateveryou want.
It's it's your universe,whatever.
But Ridley Scott gives you anout if you're uncomfortable with
that.
Um, because there's the throughline of Ellie wearing the cross,

(42:53):
and basically the gist is Elliestarts to realize, like, well,
hold on.
If they created us, who createdthem?
And that kind of ties back tothe name of the movie,
Prometheus.
So Prometheus is a uh an ancientGreek myth that uh the a guy

(43:16):
named Prometheus stole fire fromthe Titans, basically fire from
the gods, and brought it tohumanity.
And because of that, he wasplagued and uh like disciplined
uh very harshly.
The premise here, or at leastthe the parallel that I see with

(43:36):
the story that we have in thismovie, the Prometheus, even
though that's the name of theirshuttle, is also basically the
what happens with the engineers.
So the engineers take the firethat they were given and they
you know start giving lifearound the galaxy.
It seems like what's happening,and then that fire, or you know,

(44:00):
because they did that, they aredisciplined or they are punished
in some way, and that's why wesee them, you know, start to
completely die off based on youknow what they started, you
know.
So I think I think the the pointof this is that there are
possibly bigger forces in thegalaxy outside of the engineers,

(44:21):
even though the engineersdirectly were the direct
progenitors for humanity,there's a larger, there could be
a larger cosmic presence in thein the galaxy, basically, who
that created them, who theengineers stole life from and
gave it to others.
You know what I'm saying?
I think that's the that's whatI'm I'm choosing to believe,

(44:42):
just because I think that that'skind of a cool concept.

SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
Do we follow so is this our new canon, quote
unquote, moving forward as wehead into The Last Covenant or
uh Ark of the Covenant, or whatis it?

SPEAKER_01 (44:58):
Alien Covenant Covenant.

SPEAKER_03 (45:01):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (45:02):
Alien Ark of the Covenant.
Yeah, that'd be great.
That's that'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 (45:06):
Hey, listen, bring it in, uh you put in Indiana
Jones, alright, and uh bring insome crystal skulls, and uh, you
know, you might have yourself agood movie.

SPEAKER_01 (45:14):
You might you might make yourself a student.

SPEAKER_03 (45:15):
There were aliens in uh crystal skull, right?
There were aliens in CrystalSkull, and they had they looked
kind of like xenomorph heads, uhand they do have the long heads,
you're right, you're right.
Maybe that's the that's the youknow what I think somebody mixed
up the scripts.

SPEAKER_01 (45:30):
That's what happened, right?
We we can't give this guy aninch, man.
He he just keeps he keeps ongoing.
What was I gonna say?
You you asked if this is the newcanon.
I don't really think that thischanges the canon at all.
Personally, I mean it does.
No, sorry, it definitely doesadd lore to the xenomorphs, it
adds lore to the human side, itadds lore to the the company

(45:54):
Wayland Corporation, which is ishas which has yet to brand uh
alongside Utani.
So it's still the WaylandCorporation, it's not Wayland
Utani.
But as far as the new canon, Idon't think this is a branch.
I think this is just anotherchapter in this timeline.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
Because then so Anthony, maybe you can answer
this.
Uh so if this is before aliens,why do why does Wa the Wail the
company in that movie not haveseeming or has it taken them
this long to sk to like try toget it again, the xenomorphs
like because they're trying toget them, right?

(46:35):
And in Aliens 1 and Aliens 2,they're the corporation or the
company is trying to bring theseback at all costs, right?
But it's already been a thing.
Like, did it did they somehowforget this happened?
Did this never get transmittedlike you know back?
Like it seemed like the uh LEllie escapes, uh Riley number

(46:58):
two.

SPEAKER_01 (46:58):
We'll have to figure out what happens to Ellie in the
next one, because I actuallyhave not watched Covenant, so I
don't know what happens pastthis point.
I know I've seen Romulus, whichis the one after Covenant, but I
haven't seen the next one um thenext release Scott film.
So I I can't answer that.
I know that you asked Anthonyspecifically, but uh Anthony, do

(47:20):
you have a better answer?

SPEAKER_02 (47:21):
And you're talking about for the the first movie
where they're trying to go.
I don't I I think that just I thI don't think that that's
something that's explained theydon't like why it took so long.
Well, I mean because by the timeyou know in this one there's
just Weylin, not Waylin Utani.
You know, actually in the firstone it's Waylin Utani and then

(47:46):
then they decide to throw thethe D in the end.
But I think maybe maybe it w atsome point it was something that
they wanted, they just didn'thave the I guess the it just
wasn't they they had to likefigure out like where they
were, 'cause you know, becauselike Dakota said, you know, like

(48:07):
you don't get an explanation onwhy there's a uh xenomorph eggs
on that derelict ship in thefirst one.

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
No, we have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 (48:15):
So for all we know, that ship might have g might
have gone to this planet, youknow, that derelict ship, at
some point, and then, you know,found some eggs, took them all,
took them aboard, and just youknow, that I mean for I'm trying
to think.

SPEAKER_01 (48:33):
Did they explain the derelict ship?
No, but I don't think that thatis connected to um the xenomorph
life that we saw grow on um thisthis planet here.

SPEAKER_02 (48:47):
Uh the reason being is that the well there's so much
that's not explained that youknow there's a possibility that
the xenomorphs did evolve intothe xenomorphs that we do have
now, you know?
That they evolved, like yousaid, that we kind of got like a
proto face hugger, you know?

(49:09):
Yeah.
And then just maybe a di justdown the line where where it was
evolved, you know, the engineersevolving it into this kind of
perfect killing machine.
Cause I think that they were uhweren't they essentially created
to take out the humans, I think?

SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
They don't really say, and I don't think that
necessarily the uh thexenomorphs were created
specifically to take out thehumans, but the black that they
were using was a form ofbioweapon that at least that's
what the humans in the movie umunderstood it as, as a bioweapon
that was going to be used onEarth.

(49:49):
Like the that ship was going toEarth next, basically.
So my understanding um of thisship that was, you know,
crash-landed, or notcrash-landed, but had been
docked on this planet LV223,versus the one that was docked,
or the one that had been, youknow, destroyed and crashed on
LV426 in the first alien movie,they've both been basically uh

(50:16):
fossilized for thousands ofyears.
That's it that's a line in thefirst movie um where the the
captain Dallas he goes, uh lookslike it's been here for a long
time, fossilized, you know.
So I I think that's been there,and and the alien eggs have
probably been there forthousands of years.
So I think though the engineershad the black goo separately,

(50:40):
you know, and they were sendingit to different places, perhaps,
and created the xenomorphsseparately.
And these are two differentstrains of xenomorphs.
That's that's how I'minterpreting it.
I don't think that the theproto-xenomorph that was in this
movie went to LV426, but it'spossible.
I I I can't say that it's notpossible, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (51:02):
Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think that that version of
the xenomorph did, but like yousaid, it was many years between
this moment or the xenomorphs, Iguess.
I yeah, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
It's it it could have cause how it's about 30
years between um Prometheus andthe first alien.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
In the first movie?
Okay, so I mean like you said,or I mean something something
that that's been very much soapparent throughout the mov or
throughout each movie is thatxenomorphs are different, and
the reason why we got thisxenomorph could have been

(51:46):
because of the the series orthat type of xenomorph in
Prometheus was really the seriesof events that happened in this
movie.
Like the the creature was inlike a bunch of beings, so like
taking on different aspects, soit got on some human aspects,
and then it also got on like theengineer, so like it took on

(52:08):
different like they always takeon, you know, they're
xenomorphs, they take on aspectsof their they're almost
parasitic, they take on theaspects of their host, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (52:21):
And oh there there is actually something in this
movie that made me pause becauseso we know that these engineers
have been basically dead for2,000 years or so, right?
They've they've been dead formillennia, but their corpses
show they they tell a story.
And when that that one guy, Ifor the the guy who likes rocks

(52:45):
or whatever, um, he goes and andand looks at one of the corpses,
he says that the chest has beenalmost exploded open.
That's basically a xenomorph,you know?
So thousands of years ago, therewas a xenomorph that exploded
out of a chest of that guy.
Could that have potentially ledto what happened uh on that
other planet?
Could that have like eventuallyseated another another ship or

(53:08):
whatever?
I don't know.
But that's that could have been.

SPEAKER_02 (53:12):
Yes, but that was a could have bursted out of her
chest had she not extracted it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:17):
Oh yeah, no, it definitely was going to burst.
It was gonna be a burst or butum it would have definitely
taken a different shape than thexenomorph.
It didn't it only became kind ofa xenomorph after it went
through an engineer.
You know what I'm saying?
So yeah, because uh that thatgoo didn't originally make a

(53:39):
xenomorph in uh with eitherEllie or Charlie.
It made that like gigantic facehugger thing, you know?
Um that was like a like a squidalmost.
So, dude, we're talking incircles here.
This movie's crazy.
It's there's so much there'sthere's also like a mural in the
background of that room, uh,that like uh the the vase room

(54:02):
that has almost like the HRGeiger like design of like
aliens in the background, youknow.
So like it's possible theyworship these things.
Um I don't know.
I don't know.
Uh it's it's a really bizarre,really bizarre movie.
What did we think of the uhPeter Wayland, you know, being
aboard the Prometheus to uhextend his life by meeting his

(54:25):
creator?
What uh Rich, let's bring itover to you.

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
I mean it reminded me a little bit of like the in
the Wolverine movie, uh where heuh Oh yeah, the guy is trying to
Yoshida is trying to you knowlive longer and yeah, it kind of
seems like a kindly old man, butbut really isn't uh you know,
and uh you're kind of justdesperate, and uh the the little

(54:50):
power play with him and uhCharlie Stheron thinks it's his
daughter or his granddaughter, adaughter, right?
Daughter, yeah.
Right.
Which the age gap is a littleodd, but um crazier things have
happened, you know, and it it itI that worked for me, actually.
I I actually that's one part ofthe movie that I didn't it felt

(55:10):
like it like it should be in analien movie, like it it felt
like it it it it belonged to thefranchise, you know, finally
seeing because it's just it'sit's a different type of greed.

SPEAKER_01 (55:19):
It's not necessarily corporate greed.
It wasn't like the company goingto use this for their weapons
division.
This is just uh this guy wantsto live forever.

SPEAKER_03 (55:28):
Yeah.
I mean he'll be king forever.

SPEAKER_01 (55:35):
6767.
What's up with kids in 6'7?
What is what is this?

SPEAKER_03 (55:39):
Literally doesn't mean anything, but I'm not gonna
lie to you, as a teacher whooften has to count, or even as a
track coach or you know, countthe kids on the bus, and there
is a palatable excitement in theair when you're counting and
you're just like one, two,three, four, five, and then
you're like six seven, andthey're like six seven, and they

(56:01):
just can't and it and andhonestly, there's such a joy
that they have doing it, youknow, that I I even like I put
up a homework assignment and I Imade it do at six oh seven, and
they're like they're like, whattime is it due?
And one kid's like six oh seven,and they're like, he did it on
purpose, you know.
So that's funny.
That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (56:22):
Um oh uh Anthony, you mentioned something
basically like why why it tookthem so long to or maybe Rich,
you asked, um why why it tookthe company so long to like
research for these things.
Yeah.
Technically, nobody nobody inthis movie saw what ended up
coming out of the engineer, likethey were all long gone by the

(56:46):
time a xenomorph showed up ontothe scene.
They just saw a big uhsquid-like creature and uh a
crazy engineer out of time, youknow, and fair.

SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
I mean, so it's like how did they know that they were
wep like something that theywould want to weaponize in the
first one?

SPEAKER_01 (57:06):
Well, that's a good question.
Um, and it's possible.

SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
How would you know?
You know, they and they wentthere and they thought there
were fossils.

SPEAKER_01 (57:14):
So that could be answered in the next movie?
That that could be answered inCovenant.
I don't I don't know.
But it also could be answered inAlien Earth, um, which I've only
seen the first episode of.
I've basically, you know, justkept away from it, uh, kept out
of the spoiler loop with withthat one.
So, you know, in a couple weeks'time we will have a little bit

(57:34):
more information about, buthopefully a little bit more
information about why thecompany even knows about these
things to begin with, becausethey did put Ash on board that
ship so that they couldrendezvous at that planet,
LD426, to take that creaturehome, basically for the weapons
division.
That's that's something that'scanonical.

(57:55):
We don't know how they knew orwhy they waited 57 years after
that to try again, but yeah.
So uh crazy movie.
I did like that Peter Whalenjust got the lights knocked out
of him.
I don't know why.
I just thought, you know, likethat was just such a funny
scene.
This guy just like I just wokeup, leave me alone.

SPEAKER_02 (58:18):
It was like it and the thing is, it's like it's
ironic.
Like, this man came to thisplace to extend his life,
immediately ended it.
Dude, seriously.

SPEAKER_01 (58:28):
I did like I did like why am I calling him Brian?
Uh David.
I did like David a lot.
Um obviously he was cruel andmanipulative and did some weird
stuff, uh, you know, druggingpeople's drinks and like doing
crazy tests on people.
But he's he's got a weird charm,you know.

(58:50):
I hope You can really let a lotgo, man.
Like the I can let a lot go withthis one.
Like this, I I kind of like him,you know.
I hope I hope we see him in thenext one.
Like if he's not in this, andalso like his motiv like I so
like I his motivations werespecifically to find something
that would extend the life ofPeter Wade.

SPEAKER_03 (59:09):
Why did he why did he oh was he just testing it out
on uh what's that guy's name?
I can't remember it.
It's such a forgettable name.
Uh Charlie, yeah.
Is that why he put it intoCharlie's drink, just to test it
out?

SPEAKER_01 (59:21):
I think so.
Yeah.
I mean, uh the the alternativeis he's just a cruel, cruel
alien or android robot thing.

SPEAKER_03 (59:29):
Um gives me he gives me a uh what's the guy's
character Vit from uh what's uhI can't uh the man with the Mr.
Manhattan.

SPEAKER_01 (59:38):
Uh oh uh you're you're talking about um the
watchman.

SPEAKER_03 (59:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:42):
It's V or something like that.
V Eussie Ozzy Mandy's Mandy'syeah.
Uh Vit is the company.
Oh, that's what it is.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:50):
It just gives me the he kind of gives me those vibes.
Like he's uh very, verymanipulative behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_01 (59:55):
Guys, do we have anything else to say about
Prometheus?
Um before we we give our finalthoughts on the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:02):
I do want to know where you place it in your uh
top MCU film.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:09):
I love this bit.
I don't know if it cracks my topthree, but maybe top five MCU
movies, you know?
Right behind right behind Loveand Thunder.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:21):
I still like that movie a little bit.
I won't lie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
You know, j just be I I think that um Prometheus,
you know, it's it's aninteresting movie.
Um I mean you you can still seea little a bit of the connection
to the alien universe but itreally does get deep into like
the religious and kind ofphilosophical aspects.
Maybe a little bit too much forme.

(01:00:49):
And you know it's those momentsthat kind of pull me out of the
film.
But I mean dude at least RidleyScott is consistent.
Because it feels like a RidleyScott movie.
And you know it's the pacing andeverything is there so you know
it's not you know I I don't it'sdefinitely nowhere near it like

(01:01:12):
I I wouldn't even call it's nota bad movie.
Resurrection is a bad movie.
This is a good movie it's just adifferent type of good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:21):
Yeah it's it's uh it's almost it's so pensive and
esoteric I guess and it it itasks so many questions and it's
perhaps too big for its bridgesyou know it's probably trying to
answer too much in one movie.

(01:01:42):
But I do like it, you know Ithink it's probably I don't know
if I like Alien or aliens more.
They're probably equal for meand I I would say that this is
right behind both of those.
So I would say it's probablynumber three in my ranking so
far.
But fifth in MCU rankings.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:01):
Apologies my ranking yeah I uh oh I want to hear your
ranking actually let's do thisso let's see how many have we
watched five we this is five nowI'm gonna give the list in the
audience another little Easter alittle another little little
treat out of five six seven Idon't know we're gonna have to
see the next one alright becauseright now it is I like our

(01:02:24):
audience gonna understand that Ilike resurrection more than I
like this movie.
No way that that that that isit's crazy it's an opinion but
it's a wild one you know what itis it's valid it's valid it's
wrong though I mean I could bewrong but you know what it is

(01:02:45):
you guys you guys dude they theyblew up a portion of Africa in
the end of that one okay also itliterally made no sense okay
fine fine nothing nothing atleast look Prometheus at least
the stuff in Prometheus was likeit was really philosophical but
at least it made sense nothingin resurrection made sense at

(01:03:05):
all does it make sense that theproject that the the engineers
right who are who are moreadvanced than the human
civilization don't have a shipthat can protect from another
ship from from earth these lowlyants crashing into it and
destroying it I mean that's kindof it's it's it's kind of like a

(01:03:27):
based on this necessity like didthey necessarily need a ship
like we don't know yeah we we'venever encountered any other
spacefaring creatures uh orspecies so it's it's possible
but maybe the maybe the engineerjust hadn't turned on all the
features of his of his likespecial ship you know like he

(01:03:48):
was just he was just gettingready to launch it out of
atmosphere he had he didn't turnon the the shields yet listen I
hope that all these questionsthat I have are answered when we
find the lost arc all right likewhen we when we finally find the
lost arc of the covenant in thenext movie I think we will get
some answers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:05):
Look look at least you can rejoice in the fact that
Ripley is back in the nextmovie.
Well she's already beenresurrected it's time to give
her a covenant I mean if you'regonna resurrect somebody you
know why would you justresurrect her from one movie?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:27):
You gotta bring it to one to another No but what's
cool about this one is that it'sa it's still a prequel so it's
it's uh it's I think it's only adecade before Alien.
Maybe oh so we were gonna seeRiley this is exciting because
it's 16 it's 16 years before no18 years before Alien.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:48):
So she's she's very young but yeah she's alive thank
you guys I'm very excited nextweek then to join you guys again
to talk about the return ofRiley I mean Ripley yeah right
Riley is in resurrection yesyeah I forgot about it we
haven't gotten to we haven'tgotten to Riley it's gotta be uh
what's it 200 250 years?

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:09):
Oh it's yeah it's it's a while oh guys uh let's
let's uh let's bring thispodcast to a close um I enjoyed
it Anthony enjoyed it Richthinks it's worse than
resurrection but you know whatthat's still top five there's a
possibility that it'll you knowit'll be higher than the next

(01:05:30):
one technically it is top fivehow you squeak that one in by
based on technicality me beingpositive whatever if the kids
are in a race of five kids andthe kid comes in last I'm like
well listen man five's prettygood you know like out of five

(01:05:50):
like you still you finished ityou know congratulations you
don't get a you don't get a atrophy you might get a ribbon
but yeah guys uh thank you somuch for listening to us here
for our 135th episode of ProjectGeekology again if you haven't
given us a juicy review werequest sir or madam a five star

(01:06:10):
juicy review as juicy if notmore juicy uh than that uh
engineer head that just wentkablooey but anyway guys uh if
you want to check out any of oursocials be sure to check down
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