November 11, 2024 • 61 mins
What if the enchanting world of Shrek 2 held more surprises than you ever imagined? Join us on Project Geekology as we mark our 99th episode, featuring Anthony's return from his thrilling Tennessee getaway and an electrifying Babymetal concert. We share stories from our past concert adventures and Dakota's insightful solo journey through MCU and D&D timelines. As we swap tales of music and timelines, our conversation takes a nostalgic turn toward favorite video games and childhood card-collecting memories that continue to captivate us today.
Listeners will gain insights into the art of balancing life's responsibilities, exemplified by the challenges and benefits of achieving an OSHA 30 certification. Dive into the joys of revisiting beloved video games like Kingdom Hearts, and the excitement surrounding the release of Pokémon TCG Pocket, which rekindles childhood passions for Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Our exploration of these hobbies highlights how they remain a vital part of our lives, providing a sense of nostalgia and connection to our younger selves.
Prepare to laugh and reminisce as we explore the clever humor and pop culture nods embedded in Shrek 2. From the unforgettable antics of characters like Donkey and Puss in Boots to the whimsical world of fairy tale antics and creative twists, we appreciate the film's enduring appeal. Delve into the intricacies of animation, the unexpected casting choices, and the fascinating technological trends within the Shrek series. As we eagerly anticipate future releases, we can't help but draw parallels to our childhood favorites, forever captivated by the magic of animation and storytelling.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome one and all to Project Geekology, episode 99
, and it's a very specialepisode because it's not just me
, dakota, today I am joined bymy co-host.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Anthony, yes, no mini-sode.
Today I am back.
I was on vacation, but you hada nice little mini-sode by
Dakota.
He did some Q&As about histimelines.
So if you want some questionsanswered or I mean he already
asked those questions andanswered them, but if there's
(00:33):
some that you might have hadthat syncs up with somebody else
that he answered we'll golisten to that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yep, I had a lot of fun doing that.
Maniso, I asked on Twitter, youknow, if you have any questions
about, you know, my timelineobsessions basically, and the
fact that and I got maybe 10 orso questions, maybe 10 to 15
(01:10):
questions from people asking meabout different stuff from my
MCU timeline to like my D&Dtimeline, and all that and it
was really fun.
I had a really fun time workingon that video or not?
Not?
That video, that podcast, andit's available now.
So if you want to check it out,it is the last thing that we
(01:33):
produced right before thisepisode.
But today we are going far, faraway because we have to attend
the.
What is it?
It was like a betrothal partyor something.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was like a betrothal party or something
Right.
It was like the celebration ofFiona and quote unquote Shrek's
marriage.
But you know, we know thatthere's a whole mess that
happens during that movie.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, so we're going to get into all of that.
I didn't Sorry, for some reasonI couldn't come up with like
the proper terminology becauseit's not.
I'm just so not royal, I don't,you know, have these major
banquets that I have to attendvery often, but it was very
pleasant uh being able to attendthis one, uh in shrek 2.
So, yeah, we're gonna, we'regonna be covering shrek 2 today.
Uh, we covered the first shrekon our last proper episode,
(02:21):
episode 98, and yeah, we have.
We have a lot to talk aboutbecause, anthony, you've been
gone for uh, over a week at thispoint, or at least it's been
over two weeks since we talkedlast.
What have you been up to, myfriend?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
well, you know that I had been up to kind of kind of
quite a bit.
I so the week that you releasedthat mini so I was actually on
vacation I was up in tennesseevisiting family and kind of
hanging out and getting gettingaway from the craziness of south
florida, which was really nice.
(02:53):
I mean since then, like I meanjust not a couple days ago, I
went to a concert.
It was like my first concert ina couple years actually.
Oh no, actually more than acouple years.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Like I don't think I had been to a concert in like
maybe five or more years, dudeuh, dude, I hear you and it's so
weird because, uh, you used tolive with me for like six months
in new york and we went toconcerts almost like every
weekend, like that was our thing.
Uh, so the fact that, like I'min the same boat where I haven't
been to a concert in forever,so tell me, tell me about this
(03:29):
uh concert that you went to.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I know you sent me videos already, but, uh, let's,
let's tell our lovely listenerswhat you attended so I, I know
that and I know that that groupyou know you might not be like
the biggest fan of them, but Iwent to go see Babymetal and you
(03:51):
know Babymetal it's aninteresting group.
It's a mismatch of metal, rockmusic and J-pop.
It is really interesting to seethat, especially live, because
you know they're you're hearingthis like heavy metal music, but
(04:12):
then there's these three girlsand they're dancing like
choreographed dances and thenlike that music kind of like
moves from like heavy metal tosome, like you know, j-pop
influence and then the way thatit kind of like flows in and out
of itself is actually veryinteresting.
I, I ended up, I I actuallywanted to go see them but
(04:34):
because I was on vacation, Ireally wasn't able to swing it
because, you know, I was like,okay, you know I spent this
money on vacation and I gotreached out by a friend while I
was on vacation Like hey, didyou end up getting those tickets
?
And I was like, no, I didn'tend up getting those tickets
because, you know what I justsaid, I was like a vacation and,
(04:56):
like you know, it's just, itjust wasn't smart financially.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You were stretched thin at that point, right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And so they're like, oh, okay, financially you were
stretched thin at that, right,right.
And so they're like, oh, okay,well, that's fine, because you
know I have an extra ticket.
And oh, they hooked you up.
They yeah, yeah, they hooked meup, and so I I ended up being
able to go see them and, dude, Ihad a really good time.
I mean, dude, I sent you somevideos, like it looked like fun,
right, and there's a lot ofpeople there.
You saw that there, that thing,that was like a big stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That was like a big concert, dude it really was.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It was like pretty much like packed out, like I
mean I think there were someseats here and there that
weren't sold, but if you go tolook at like the rest of their
shows, a lot of them are likesold out wow, I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's really impressive and I do think, you
know, even though it may not be,may not be something I will go
out of my way to listen to.
I don't generally listen toJ-pop and I don't generally
listen to metal or heavy metal.
Whatever it is the fact thatit's a combined genre and
(06:05):
they've been around for a coupledecades at this point, so I
think that it's a cool blend andI'm sure it must have been a
really cool concert.
So that's awesome.
How was Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Tennessee.
Man, it was a really great time.
I wish it was a little cooler.
It was still teetering on coolevenings, like you know, cool
evenings and cool mornings, butlike the day would kind of shoot
up to like maybe the seventies,but the leaves were like
finally starting to change, so Iwas able to catch that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Awesome.
Yeah, that's cool.
Have you?
Have you been in?
Have you been up to anythingelse recently or not?
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh, no, no, Like that , that's really like the biggest
things.
That that that's really likethe biggest things.
That that that's really likethe biggest things.
That, like I had been up tolike up until this point.
How about you?
I know that you did your, youdid your your mini, so, but like
what else have you been workingon?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
so creatively.
I have been kind of at astandstill, uh, in terms of like
what I'm working on.
So that that Minnesota was agood kind of push for me to just
do something fun for myself,sweet.
So that was a good, goodopportunity for me and just a
good opportunity to, you know,get in touch with my audience
(07:16):
and bring them over to ProjectGeekology, because I don't think
that necessarily overlaps toooften.
So it was a good opportunity tocross-promote a little bit.
So that was fun.
There was something that Ibrought up on the podcast that
I'm not sure that I've everspoken to you about.
I'm going to be moving withinthe next couple months.
(07:38):
Did I mention?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
that I remember you telling me that you're looking
to move within the next likecouple or not not next couple
months, but that you were likein the works of like eventually
moving yeah, so well I mean,like I didn't know if you want
to like say it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I mean we could cut it out, but like I know that you
had said something about jen'sparents and yeah, yeah, so my,
my wife, uh, my in-laws, they'rethey've been building a
two-story garage um on theirproperty for a very long time
and it's finally, you know,built and instead of having it
(08:19):
be a garage, they're turning itinto a little, a little mini
home on their property, you know.
So we're putting a lot of moneyinto fixing that up, getting
the appliances up and ready, andI've been going over there
maybe like once or twice a weekjust to do a little work on
electrical lighting.
We put in cabinets in thekitchen.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
How convenient it is to know to have that skill for
like personal use.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It is yeah, I'm an electrician.
Actually, speaking of which Idid do something like work wise.
That has been like eating awayat me for like the past couple
months is I've completed my OSHA30, which is I remember you
talking about that.
It's something that was just.
It's extremely boring and it'sextremely boring and it's
extremely time consuming.
You need to spend 30 hours at30 hours of your your time over
(09:11):
the course of 180 days to like.
You get a maximum of 180 days tolike complete it, but yeah you
can do a total of like seven anda half hours per day, but like
I could maybe do like one or twohours before I just kill myself
.
You know, like I just I.
It was so mine I shouldn't saythat, but it was so
mind-numbingly dull it so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So that's like that, that's like a like a semester in
college right there, like youknow, like 30 to 40 hours of
like coursework.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, so you practically did, you know, like
a college semester yes yes, andthere's there's like a monetary,
like incentive to like um, whenI next get my, when I get my
next raise, it'll be a littlebumped up just because I have
that certification under my beltokay, so it was worth it at
least yes, no, it will be.
(10:01):
It will pay for itself in theend, but it was just, it just
was just the worst painful, yeah, um and it's it's partially
like why I've been so like, I'vebeen in a creative rut um I
know in the back of my head thatI should be doing that and not
whatever else I want to do.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So yeah, yeah, we all do that we all have that like
dilemma, whether it's like stufflike that or even like personal
growth.
You know I do sometimes I Iwould rather do stuff like this
or you know, watch something orplay video games or go hang out
somewhere, rather than like dothe things that I'm supposed to
(10:39):
do.
So I, I completely know whereyou're coming from and I know
that a lot of our listenersprobably have had that similar
issue.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, it's definitely something that I don't want to
do it again.
I think I have to do it everyfive or ten years or something
like that At least you getanother few years to go.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I've been playing a little bit of video games.
It's not something that Ialways bring up, but yesterday
Jen and I came home and we werelike what video games do we have
, like what can we play rightnow?
And I was just like I've beenwanting to replay Kingdom Hearts
and she's just like let's do it.
So you know, we were making ourway through Destiny Islands
(11:21):
yesterday and it was just fun.
You know, it's just nostalgia,you know, and it's it's super
nostalgic for me because I can.
I I know the beginning of thefirst kingdom hearts game by
heart yeah, to the point wherelike I'm.
I'm letting her play it becauseshe's only played through part
of the game one time, so she'sjust like, where can I find a
(11:42):
rope?
I'm like, oh, that's gonna beover where titus is flipping
around over there.
Where can I find a clock?
Oh, it's in this treehouse overhere.
So, uh, that was, that was fun,it was good, a good time to
play that again.
And it's funny, dude.
I know in the cut scenes like Ican like hear the words that
the characters are going to saybefore they say it in my head,
(12:03):
and sometimes I'll like say italoud and my wife just looks at
me like are you crazy?
How do you know this?
um but I know, yeah, I thinkI've played the beginning of
that first one like a thousandtimes, yeah something about the
beginning, like uh, I think mostof the people playing it like
are super fond of uh, what else?
I've been playing some mobilegames.
Uh, I don't know if you youprobably have grabbed it already
.
I think most of the peopleplaying it are super fond of
(12:24):
what else.
I've been playing some mobilegames.
I don't know if you probablyhave grabbed it already Pokemon,
tcg Pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh, absolutely, I got it.
It was supposed to come out onthe 30th and I think it dropped
for me at least on the 29th andI downloaded it.
I've honestly been keeping aneye on that game for a while
because I was like you know whatthat looks really interesting
and like I really like cardcollecting, especially when it
comes to like pokemon.
That's like one of the biggestthings that you and I like grew
(12:54):
up with was collecting pokemonand yugioh, so this kind of like
scratches that itch.
But I've also kind of learnedhow to play the game a little
bit and you know, because, likewith Pokemon, I actually never
really played it, I onlycollected it.
Yu-gi-oh was the one that Iactually kind of learned to play
right, yu-gi-oh for us was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Was the the game that we played most?
Uh, speaking of Pokemon TCG,I'm gonna.
Oh, I just I popped open a pack.
It's's some interesting cardsin here.
The first card is a holographicNidoking.
It's a reverse holo.
All right, let's see.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I really want to get that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Let's see Nidoran.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
There's this really cool Mewtwo.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I just got a really cool Nidoking.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, that's cool, not Dakota and I geeking over
over a pokemon tcg pocket, but Imean like for good reason,
because it is, it is like prettyfun, it's something like really
cool, like ex cards, nice andlike some of these like really
cool, like art ones, like yeah,you can't see mine, I don't know
(14:02):
why for some reason reason.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's all right, but it's been fun.
I know some people are supercaught up in it and they're
having a really great time withit.
I haven't gotten hooked on ityet.
I want to, and it feels likesomething that I should be
hooked on.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
The thing I like about it is that it's one of
those games that you can.
You don't have to be likeactive and like playing it.
When you are playing it Like,you can kind of like just think
passively, unless like maybeyou're battling, but like when
you're like kind of openingpacks and then looking through
your cards and even setting updecks, you could set up binders,
(14:40):
which is really cool.
I really like enjoy that aspect.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Another game that I picked up for mobile um has
apparently been out for abouttwo years at this point.
It's called the tower and it'sjust some, it's just, it's just.
It's like an idle tower defensegame that it's just like
incrementally, like you haveinfinite upgrades that you can
make and just keep going furtherand further, and I've been,
(15:04):
I've been hooked on it for thepast couple of weeks, like two
weeks now.
Uh, it's super impressive, justthe the amount of uh thought
that goes into it and like theamount of upgrades that you can
do Um that's cool Like yeah,it's, I'm, I'm.
There's not really much to say.
I just you know something towaste my time and money on.
(15:25):
Basically, all right, shall wejump into the topic at hand.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yes, yes, sorry y'all , for us just like kind of
babbling, it had been a coupleweeks, yeah, since we had like
talked in person.
I mean we text between eachother but like actually talking.
It's been a couple weeks.
So, yeah, let's hop into Shrek,let's go far, far away.
(15:52):
We're moving away from theswamp.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So this appears to take place shortly after the
first movie, because we haveShrek and Fiona begin their, or
we begin the film.
You know, just kind of likeexperiencing some of the good
times that they're having ontheir honeymoon and then they
run home from their honeymoonand donkeys, they're all alone
(16:16):
sad, yeah, and it's just a totalnuisance, you know.
So that was fun.
But we are also introduced to anew character in prince
charming really early on, um,and it actually starts to click
together.
If you remember from the firstmovie, the, the fable says that,
uh, prince charming was goingto grab her from the, the
(16:39):
clutches of the the dragon inher tower yeah, um and the
wording there is very specific.
It says Prince Charming, but itcould just be anyone you know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's so funny because he narrates as he does it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, that was, that was great, that was good.
Yeah, so what are your firstthoughts going into this movie?
You probably haven't seen it ina long time.
I know, I haven't seen it in along time.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, it had been a while but, like my first
thoughts were it was almost likenot much time had passed, like
I felt like a kid watching thisagain, and you know I was.
I was excited because you knowI was anticipating, because,
like I do remember huge chunksof these movie, or huge chunks
of the first and the second oneat least.
I think I saw the third onelike a long time ago and it was
(17:24):
like largely forgettable to me.
But the first and the secondone there those are, like you
know, I could remember those youknow like for the most part,
and and so, yeah, I think I'veonly seen Shrek the third once
yeah and it was in theaters, andthen I never watched the fourth
movie.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
So maybe that's something that we can tackle on
the podcast at some point.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So I think that, like you know, coming into this, you
know I was pretty excitedbecause, like I knew, like what
was, you know what we were goingto get, and you know, I just
felt, like you know, I just feltlike I was laughing almost
nonstop through this movie.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's just really clever, and I want to talk a
little bit about how theymanaged to create such an
intelligent and self-referentialworld.
That kind of works in and ofitself, if you don't think about
it too hard.
this, this world, makes totalsense, as you know, like a kid
(18:29):
yeah so that's something that Ireally appreciate, and the fact
that you take all these fairytales, you take all these
stories and then you just throwthem and lump them into together
and then you just throw an ogreinto the mix and that's
basically basically what thisworld revolves around.
It's.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's just so cool and right you don't really get that
anywhere else and it's not likea classic ogre, like you know
from like the tales of old, likethis big lumbering creature
that eats people it's.
It's a creature that is so usedto being alone because he was
never accepted and that's why hewas always angry and that's why
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he didn't really care to bearound others.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And Fiona coming into his life really opened that up,
and so this movie is himstepping out of his comfort zone
even more what is cool aboutthis is that you don't really
you don't consider who fiona'sparents are or why she was in
the tower in the first right butthey give that whole backstory
(19:36):
of, like you know, as a kid shehad this curse put on her.
We don't really understand howshe got the curse or, like you
know, if that was like anintentional thing of the fairy
godmother that we learn later onis evil.
But she has a curse.
She gets sent to a castle andthe only way that the fairy
godmother said that the cursecould be lifted is if her own
(19:56):
son, prince Charming, comes andsaves the day.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So I thought it was very clever when you know we
have Prince Jarming riding intothe tower and he just sees an
empty bed.
Oh, he doesn't see an empty bed, he sees the big bad wolf
sleeping in the bed.
I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I like how he's like Fiona, he's like no.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Instead of Sports Illustrated, he's reading a book
, a magazine called porkillustrated.
Oh god, it was so funny broyeah, just just the, the.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
There's like so many small details like that that
were, you know, different, likereal life things that were
referenced throughout this movieuh, what did you think about
fiona's parents and theirintroduction?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
and like how, how, how are we supposed to take them
moving forward before they evenmeet shrek?
Like what are your thoughts onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
right.
So you know that you can tellthat the father is a little
stuck up, the mom, the mom isdefinitely, it seems, a bit
sweeter and a little bit morelike accepting.
But but yeah, like you can tell, like you know, they're a
little stuck up, maybe a bitpretentious, but you know it.
(21:18):
It is interesting to see likehow that you know how, when,
when you know shrek and fiona,you know kind of come across
them like how that's gonnaunfold, you know.
I mean obviously we know, butyou know, like like you, you can
tell like it's just gonna be amess what's so weird is that
they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
They know that, uh, fiona and shrek are married, but
they don't seem to understandor know that they're ogres at
this point, even though theythey know to send that.
They, they know to send theinvitation to a swamp, you know,
like um it's, it's just kind ofbackwards logic If you think
about it, like how did they knowwhere they lived?
(21:58):
How did they know that theywere even married?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
uh, without knowing the details, so so.
So I guess, like in a way likeyou're supposed to have, like
that childlike suspension oflike disbelief you have to.
Yeah, so like you, you canassume that like they maybe sent
out this announcement party tolike go find out wherever they
were and then, and then, likeyou know, kind of you know, I I
(22:26):
guess like move on from there.
Like you know, like given theinvitation, the announcement,
but then, like you would thinklike okay, at that point the
people that saw them would belike okay, well, that you're in
for a surprise when they gethere a big surprise, yeah yeah
um, I love, I love the trek overto the kingdom of Far, far Away
(22:48):
.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And I like the notion of Far, far Away because when
we think of that, we think ofStar Wars, like that's probably
the first thing most peoplethink of is a galaxy far, far
away.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And in its own way this is kind of like another
galaxy far, far away, becausefor Shrek he is from a swamp,
he's going to essentiallyHollywood, hollywood for
fairytale creatures and it'sjust everything in.
It is so clever Because evenhaving the far, far away
(23:23):
Hollywood sign and then you havecelebrity tours but for
fairytale creatures andprincesses, like hollywood sign,
and then like you have uh,celebrity tours but for, like,
uh, fairy tale creatures andprincesses, like there was
cinderella's castle over there,there was, um, a whole bunch of
that stuff and it was.
It was just clever is the wordthat I'm probably going to use
most in this episode, justbecause every time the scene
(23:44):
would change I'm like, oh, thatwas really good, that was really
clever, or whatever you know.
So, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, no, no, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
What do you think about Donkey showing up, because
he currently has a wife at home?
He's also married.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I know which is.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Or presumably married .
We just assume.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Which is, like you know, it's interesting because,
like you don't really get thatrealization until, like you know
, the end of the movie.
But it would have been weird ifdonkey was not there, because
it would have been like, okay,yeah, you know you had stricken
fiona, but then like where'sdonkey?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
you need a really hardcore, uh, for a kid's movie.
You need a really hardcore fora kid's movie.
You need a really hardcorecharacter to laugh at.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You need your comedic relief, especially in this
movie, when there's so manytense scenes.
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know what I was thinking, and I kind of I didn't
think about it so much so inthe first movie, but I thought
it hit me in this movie.
But there's a lot of things,that or no, there's a couple
things that that, uh, that mikemyers does with shrek, that he
like pulled out of uh austinpowers, like that, like little
(25:01):
like that joke.
He'll make these like littlelike you know jokes or like
innuendos, and then he'll likelaugh at it, him like self yeah,
he's like and so and so like umand so austin powers did that
he would do that.
He would like, yeah, um, hewould make like a little gag and
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then be like you know, like dothe little laugh.
And so shrek did that out and Iwas like.
I was like, oh my gosh, likehe's taking like influences from
other things, which makes sensefor this movie, because this
movie is all about beinginfluenced by other things, but
making fun of it oh yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
There's so many influences, uh, within this
movie, and let's let's talkabout a little bit of it,
because in the first movie therewas the influence of the Matrix
in that one scene, likespecifically when Fiona is
fighting.
You know they had that likeMatrix camera turn.
They had a bunch of that inthis movie where there was a
scene where it was like MissionImpossible.
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Yeah, you know we had Pinocchiolike.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
That scene was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Gliding down, there's so many hilarious scenes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What else?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
there was the, there was the one ring um yes, there
was on their honeymoon uh thingthey had.
That you know like the classicscene of like the ring flying
onto frodo's finger.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was fiona's finger , obviously, uh and it was a
wedding ring, rather than likethe one ring, but then like it,
also like it, but then you alsosaw, like the red lettering on
it yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
like I love you, or something yeah yeah, I can't
remember.
I know that there was otherstuff I just off the top of my
head.
I cannot think about it rightnow, but I just remember it was
very like early 2000s, uh,references that you know it's
something, it's.
It's all stuff that you and Igrew up with and it was very
like early 2000s, uh, referencesthat you know, it's something.
Yeah, it's all stuff that youand I grew up with and it was
just like oh, remember that.
Oh, I remember that, yeah, sothat was cool.
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Sorry, it was like a weirdnoise behind me.
Um, yeah, speaking about donkey, um, we know that presumably
they're like he and Dragon arestill together or they're having
a rough patch or something inthe beginning, because that's
why he's at the swamp in thefirst place, and he says
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something along the lines oflike she's very moody right now
and I don't know why, and Idon't want to be around her,
basically, and that's the reasonhe's like hanging with shrek
and fiona at this point, andthen eventually goes on their
journey to far, far away andthere's that long scene of are
we there yet?
Are we there?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
yeah, yeah, and then that, oh my gosh dude, there's.
There's like so many like goodscenes in this movie so it has
like the, the classic charactersfrom like the first one, like
you know, pinocchio and the pigsand gingerbread man, like
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they're.
They were all in the first one.
They had a little bit more ofan active role in this one,
especially like towards the end,but then like we get an awesome
and I mean awesome addition tothis movie and puss in boots I
thought you were talking aboutthe giant gingerbread man oh, no
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, no, no, no.
I mean that's that, that's like,that's like later on dude that
was awesome.
But yes, uh, puss in boots ohfantastic dude, puss in boots,
had me dying the entire time.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Man, the and uh, it's a perfect voice by voice by
antonio banderas, which antoniobanderas.
He did so good, dude, like.
Every, every single line thathe did was just.
This is exactly how a cat wouldsay that you know like, but the
best, the best scene by far,the best scene by far is when,
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uh, like they're, they'rebreaking into far, far away, uh
donkey, uh shrek, and uh andpuss in boots and there's like a
, it's like a cop show.
That's happening live on yes,yes and they pull out catnip
from puss in boots like belt andhe goes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's not my man I know he like the, the, the night
sniffs, he's like catnip, dude,dude, that that scene, that
scene was so, so funny.
And then, like what about thescene like after Shrek goes
through like this transformationhe takes this potion, he's
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trying to make Fiona happy andhe takes this potion that makes
him human and turns her backinto human and then it turns
Donkey into a horse rather thanyou know, a donkey, and it's so
funny, like when they go backand like Fiona and Shrek they
keep missing each other.
But she ends up outside and so,like she meets Puss in Boots
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and Donkey and like she likelooks up at Puss in Boots and
like Puss in Boots is like youknow, he's cleaning himself,
like very much so like a cat,and she's like Shrek and she's
likerek and she's like for you,baby, I could be anybody or
something like that oh, and thenshrek's inside, you know, just
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trapped oh, it's so good.
I'm gonna be honest, like, likeI think from that point on, like
puss in boots was like myfavorite character, like in the
shrek universe and it turns outhe's got the best movie in the
shrek universe.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Did you ever see the new puss in boots movie?
Last wish dude.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So good, it was incredible, so good, it had no
right being that good no,because it's.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, the shrek movies are great.
They're good fun yes butthey're not like they're good
kids movies.
You know they're not like goodmovies if, if you understand my
meaning, like uh, you don't feellike a profound sense of uh,
you know like wow, I justwatched a piece of art when you
watch right, right, that's whatI got with the.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The last wish exactly like the shrek movies are like
good fun for like the kids andadults, but the last wish
excellent popcorn flick exactly.
but the last wish was likeinsane and it and it was like it
was like teaching, like lessonsfor like both kids and adults.
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I'm like dude, what ishappening right now?
I said, why is this so good?
But my coworker had, um, they,they had seen it and they're
like you have to go see it, it'sso good.
I ended up going, um, I think,oh, it was on Netflix for a
little while and I decided towatch it.
I'm like dude, what?
And?
And it was awesome because,like Puss in Bo boots is like my
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favorite character in the shrekuniverse, and the fact that,
like he had gotten such a solid,like glass movie, come on yeah,
um, they, they're making ashrek 5.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm hoping that puss in boots comes back into that.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm assuming he will considering yeah, yeah, he
became like a.
He became a a main character,even though donkey says that
there's only room for oneannoying talking animal I.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I disagree with donkey there I'm really happy.
One of my favorite scenes isthat initial dinner or luncheon
setting with uh, shrek, fiona,the parents and Donkey.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And it's just a stare down between Fiona's father and
Shrek.
Obviously, Fiona's father doesnot think that Shrek is good
enough for his baby girl andShrek obviously is feeling
extremely discriminated againstand it's almost like a Meet the
Fockers.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh, yes, setting.
I don't know if that wasintentional, but that might have
that vibe, that might have been, that might have been an
influence of that movie.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, I think so, because the character types,
like the mother in Meet theFockers, if I remember correctly
, was much more open to you knowthat relationship, open to you,
know that relationship, andit's the same in this movie, you
know, with Shrek and Fiona,where the father is the real
antagonist and is, you know,trying to break them up.
Or, you know, show the daughterthat the husband that they,
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that you know the daughter chose, isn't the person that they
should be with, you know.
So I thought that that was areally interesting dynamic.
But there's the scene wherethey're all yelling at each
other, like they're all yellingeach other's name and then
donkey's, just like donkey.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Oh, yeah, oh, like he just says his own name, it's
like Shrek Fiona, you know that,that kind of thing.
And then like Donkey, just likeyells out his name, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, it's fantastic.
It's so good.
That whole scene is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
So this movie, you know, let's talk a little bit
about like the casting, Becausewe talked about like how crazy
the casting was for this movieor for the first movie, and then
so this one opens up like a lotmore.
Like we already talked aboutantonio banderas which you know
he had at that point he had donelike the zoro movie, so like
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people knew who he was.
And then you we have johncleese that plays, uh, king
harold julie andrews that thatplays queen lillian there's,
dude, there's, there's so many.
Um, there is also, was it larryking, like plays a character in
there?
It's, there's, there, dude,there's a lot of they kind of
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like it's a massive cast a lotof it.
Lot of it is kind of cameos likeJoan Rivers.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yes, Joan Rivers has a fantastic cast.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And she was her.
It was like a cartoon versionof her.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Wait a minute, larry King was playing the ugly,
stepsister.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, isn't that wild .
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I did not get that at all.
That's hilarious.
Oh man, man, yeah, I'm lookingat the cast list too now.
Uh, there's a lot of people Idon't recognize.
But the people I do recognizeare just like whoa, whoa,
they're in this, whoa um.
So yeah, they again.
Fantastic, fantastic cast.
Apparently the big bad wolf inthis universe is called wolf w
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wolf.
I would have never guessed thatno, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So, yeah, like the, the casting, this like really
expands a lot in in this one,because it was mostly just like
the three of them in in thefirst movie, with, you know, the
occasional like person likethrown in.
So like, yeah, they, I guessthey wanted to like open up the
casting.
And then so this one I knowthat you're talking about like
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how the backgrounds in the firstone a little bit more like on
the bland side, whereas this onethey added like so much more it
is, I mean, it's, it's vibrant,but you can tell that, like the
, the animation is.
They've like tuned up theanimation in the second one and
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I mean the dude.
This movie is 20 years old andto me it, to me it was still
solid.
Sure, the animation models arevery early 2000s, but they still
look very solid.
They don't look like a 3Danimation model from the 90s.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So have you ever heard of Shrek's Law?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I have not Elaborate so yeah, Shrek's Law is it's.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I'm reading the AI overview on over on Google, but
it's something that I wasplanning to bring up in this
video and it's a good thing thatyou mentioned the idea of like
bigger backgrounds.
Much more is being rendered atthe same time and it just seems
like a more uh, populated worldright in the second movie.
So shrek's law is a term used todescribe the trend of
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increasing cpu hours required toproduce each shrek film.
The law states that the cpuhours needed to produce a shrek
sequel will double compared tothe previous film.
So here are some examples InShrek from 2001, it required
approximately 5 million CPUrender hours.
Shrek 2 required over 10million hours of CPU rendering.
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Shrek the third required 20million and Shrek Forever After
actually required 50 million CPUrender hours.
And it's just just.
It's amazing because astechnology increases, um, that
doesn't necessarily cut down onthe amount of time that you know
rendering is actually going totake.
(37:59):
And it actually seems to be theopposite trend where, like you
have to spend, you have to useway more computing power to
render all of these movies.
And a lot of these movies theycame down to the line.
If I remember correctly, one ofthe Shrek movies wasn't
finished rendering until the daybefore it was ready to go out
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to theaters.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
It just takes so much rendering power to create these
movies.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I always found that that was really fascinating I
wonder how many, I wonder whatum the last wish is that yeah,
let's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I wonder if I can look that up.
Um, puss in boots last wishrender, uh, cpu render hours.
Apparently, the original Pussin Boots movie required 60
(38:58):
million render hours.
I do not see that there's beenany information released about
the new Puss in boots movie, butyou know, back in 2011, 60
million render hours that's,that's insane.
Yeah, no, it's, it's nuts andit just it's a trend that, like
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you know, so shrek forever.
After 50 million cpu renderhours in 2010 and 2011, the puss
in boots movie came out thefirst puss in boots, not last
wish and that was 60 million.
So I I hope that that trenddoesn't like isn't like
exponential, because that isjust like a bad, that's bad news
for like movies down the line.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Um, but yeah, I guess we'll have to have to see about
that I mean, we see how long ittakes for a movie like the
incredibles to be made.
You know, and like, in thattime between like the first and
the second one, we had like ahandful of like shrek movies,
you know.
And then so in the time before,I mean in the the time between
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the second one and then like thethird one, you know where we're
we've had some Shrek stuff.
You know, there's the Last Wish.
We're probably going to begetting Shrek 5.
Is it Shrek 5?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, in 2026.
I think it's Shrek 5.
Let me look it up.
Shrek 5 release date yeah, it'sscheduled for July 1st of 2026.
So summer 2026.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Right, so we'll be getting that before we get
Incredibles 3 and probably GTA 6.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's a little bit of a joke that I wanted to throw
in there.
That's a little.
That's a little bit of a jokethat I wanted to throw in there
because that's like, you know,like gta6 is like um, I guess
it's like a, a unit of, likemeasuring time, like oh, we got
this before gta6.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You know that kind of thing uh, gta is is like the
more popular of of that, but um,for me it's elder scrolls,
because we've've been waitingfor Elder Scrolls VI for over a
decade.
At this point it's just beennebulously announced.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Right right, they had announced it and I think that
announcement was really just tobuy them time and really at that
point they probably hadn't evenstarted that project.
It was just an announcement thatthey planned on doing it yeah
um that's like me when I, when Ilike, tease timeline projects,
it's like I haven't reallystarted, but you know well, like
(41:35):
, at least you say like, this isin the works, like, like
usually like in the works foryou is that like you're planning
to do it and there's a lot thatgoes into it before you
actually like sit in front of acamera right, yeah, there's a
lot of studying and, uh, writingand collecting data.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Um, before any of like, the actual stuff is
culminated on camera or likeexactly so yep, no, I agree, um,
maybe.
So let's go back to shrek 2.
I don't know why we, we deviate.
Yes, yes, rabbit, trail, rabbittrail.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
But let's go back to Shrek 2.
I don't know why we deviated soquickly.
Yes, rabbit trail rabbit trail.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But, let's talk about the fairy godmother.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, I wanted to actually talk about her and how
she goes from a seemingly goodcharacter to being the villain
of this film.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Which is fascinating, because in most fairy tale
media you think of the fairygodmother as this almost deus ex
machina character that willhelp the protagonist see their
true potential and in some waysshe is showing people their true
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potential.
But the way that they handle itin this movie is almost like
cosmetic, like um, it's almostshe's almost like a plastic
surgeon and and this universe,you know, like she just wants to
make everyone feel good, um,instead of actually, you know,
attaining their true potentialright Uh you know, as is the
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norm in you know fairytalemovies, right, you know, as is
the norm in you know fairy talemovies and stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
So I thought that like that.
That was like very hollywoodalso, which is like kind of what
the setting?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
is in right.
Yeah, so you think of, likecinderella, the fairy godmother
there is right, you know alwaystrying to prop up cinderella to
show that she's not just thisstepsister that cleans all day,
she can actually be a princess.
You know, with the fairygodmother of this movie it's all
a business.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It's all part of this brand that she's creating, or
that she has created, to massproduce spells and potions that
are fleeting and um yeah youknow momentary, uh, in terms of,
like their, the satisfaction ofthe the person imbibing it
(43:56):
right, this is where uh shrekgets that one potion that turns
him and fiona to humans anddonkey into a horse yeah, so
what did you think of Shrek'shuman form?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
He became this.
He was still a large dude, buthe kind of became a hunk.
I guess Hunk would be the term.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, that was so funny.
I do find it funny that theydecided to go with the opposite
form of him being some reallyattractive he had muscles, he
was big.
Like the opposite form of himbeing some like really
attractive, like kind of, yeah,I mean like he had, like he had
muscles.
You know, he was big and solike that's like I.
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I honestly pictured that likethat's what, like shrek is like
very strong and so if he wasn'tfat he would probably be very
muscular.
So like that was like prettymuch like what he would look
like.
But then like yeah, they likemade him a human.
I mean it was interesting andlike I don't know, to me it
didn't feel weird, it it?
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I imagine, like I, I think thatthey like reimagined him as a
human, like pretty well and itstill looked like shrek it had
the muscular or the physicalfeatures of his face and his
body build and everything likethat.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Even Donkey still had Donkey's face somehow just
superimposed onto a horse.
One thing that with Donkey'stransformation when he
eventually transforms back froma horse into a donkey never
realized how different horsestails were to donkey tails, like
that was something that waslike really jarring for me,
(45:37):
because, um, horse tails arejust covered in hair, so you
don't really see the like thelength of the tail.
It just looks like a big whipof uh of hair, right, but donkey
tails are very long and with alittle poof of hair.
Yeah, so when when theytransitioned in that I was just
like I never realized howdifferent horses are to donkeys,
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but you know they're in thesame family of uh animals.
But yeah, I thought that wascool.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You learn something new every day, guys yeah, no,
that that that definitely was aninteresting and like I think
that, like they do so well, andthe fact, like, how they were
able to do that animation oftransformation, especially with
the technology that they hadback then, and that it wasn't
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some hand-drawn animation, which, like you know, hand-drawn
animation, it has its own issuesbut like you can kind of hand
draw that animation, whereasthis you're trying to like use
as much as you can.
There's only, as there's a verylimited amount of computing
power that you have.
So the fact that, like a lot ofthe stuff that they did looked
(46:53):
like very well, you know, itdidn't look choppy, it didn't
look you know how, sometimes,for the sake of of computing
animation, there's a little bitof a frame drop yeah you don't
see that as much.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think there was a couple times, but not as much so
, um, it's interesting that youbring that up, um, and it's
interesting also because of the,the content of, like, what is
being explored in this.
So you're talking about thetransformation scenes and, yeah,
they are pretty spectacular, um, especially because it's cg,
like it's cg rendering.
But you also mentioned 2d andits limitations and I thought
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that that was an interesting uhchoice because it reminded me of
another transformation, thatbeing Cinderella, who we've
brought up a couple of times atthis point.
When Cinderella transforms fromher rags into a ball gown, it's
a very beautiful 2D animationand it's said to be Walt
Disney's favorite sequence everanimated for his, for his movies
(47:54):
, just it's.
It's uh.
I went to I think it was the met, yeah, the met museum in uh in
central park in new york.
Uh, they had a like a waltdisney um animation exhibit and
one of the things that theyshowcased was the original um,
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it was like 50 frames from thatcinderella transformation and
they explained, like, why thiswas such a big deal for walt
disney, and I thought thatthat's something that's always
stuck with me.
It's just like something sosimple as a transformation could
be something uh, so magical,even to the, the likes of um you
know animation kings like likethis guy right and and like that
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that's.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I think that like that's because you know, moments
like that, like they're likereally pushing to see what they
can do and you know, yeah, likethere's many times that like
I'll watch something from backin those days, like you know,
from the 30s, 40s, 50s, 70s,that they'll do something that
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like really baffles me, like howdid they do that?
Because they didn't have cgback then right, they had to get
really.
They had to get really creativethey did, um, and I know like
this is a little bit ofdigressing, but this is all
really to culminate how amazingit is that Shrek did what it did
with the amount of power it hadback then, the limited power
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that they had back then.
But Star Wars and the blasterfires and the things that they
had to do with that, like how toget that effect and stuff, and
so you know like we you know wegrow up watching a lot of these
things.
you know Disney movies, starWars, shrek but we don't realize
(49:43):
, like how a lot of these movieslike push the envelope on stuff
and I can imagine like I meancreating an animation is like
tough, but like I can imaginelike back then, with the less
power that they had, that likethey really had to like push as
much as they could and like Imean it, it worked out in their
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favor because this is like byfar the best, like shrek movie
and I'm not saying like shrekuniverse movie, I'm gonna say
shrek movie because like yeah,you know I will argue to say the
last wish is the best shrekuniverse movie yeah, I can.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I will agree to that.
I will definitely agree to thatbefore we uh leave.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
We haven't talked about um uh the fairy godmother
and uh her relation to kingharold her relation to king
harold and prince charming andlike, really like, what unfolds
in this movie yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
So one thing that we find out, uh, somewhere in the
midpoint of the movie, when youknow, uh, king harold is doing
everything in his power to likeget rid of shrek, we find out
that, uh, the fairy godmotherhas a um deal with king herald
that you know was enacted many,many years ago, stating you know
, I will make you king orwhatever, if my son eventually
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marries your daughter yeah thatpromise is broke uh, broken when
shrek eventually marries that.
So she's threatening to reverseand renege on her end of the
promise as well, which meansthat he's going to return not to
just a lowly human but to afrog.
And throughout the moviethere's like little hints and
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gestures that you know there'ssomething you know different
about their relationship andyeah, it's because he's because
he's the frog, he's basicallythe, it's the princess and the
frog, basically.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was funny.
We find out the.
Yeah, the whole reason thatshe's trying to do this is
because her son is PrinceCharming and you know she wants
to.
You know she, she babies himpretty much like.
She wants him to like have theworld and so she wants him to
have this kingdom.
(51:57):
I like that.
There's that one scene wherethe fairy godmother pulls king
harold into, like the into thatcarriage and they pass by like,
like the medieval, like fat boyor friar friar boy oh yeah, and
so fry boy.
Yeah, that's what it was and so,like you know, it's like a fast
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food.
She's like, she's like oh yeah,do you want the carne fries?
no, no, I, I could get anythingand like prince charming gets
like the kids meal, you know yes, I like that it comes with, uh,
a full like two-handed battleaxe seriously that, yeah, that
was hilarious, yeah, yeah, thefilm is pretty much, yeah, like
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the push and pull of the fairygodmother trying to, you know,
set up her, her, her child, herto become king, and then there's
the whole narrative that youknow Shrek is also trying to
fight, not being good enough,not being the one that Fiona
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wanted to marry, you know.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
And there's a fantastic moment actually, I
mean, this movie's full of thembut there's a fantastic moment
where they riff off of.
So what's great about Shrek isthat they take these concepts,
these stories, and then theyturn them on their head and they
kind of show you what canhappen if the opposite is true.
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So there's the moment whereShrek is being kept in the
bedroom by the fairy godmotherand all the furniture starts
waking up, kind of like inBeauty and the Beast.
But in Beauty and the Beastthat was a moment where they
were trying to you know, thefurniture was trying to like
prop up the beast.
You know it was like you gotthis, yeah, yeah, if, if you
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don't do this, then you know,we'll all be stuck as furniture
forever or whatever.
So it was like a positivemoment.
But in this movie the furniturewas blocking him from leaving
the room.
It was trapping him there andbasically telling him he wasn't
good enough, and I thought thatwas super cool.
It was just different.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, and so I liked that, and we've talked about it,
how they take these elementsfrom other movies.
It's so easy for a movie tolike, take an element or like
the entirety of, like a wholeother movie and make it feel
like a rip-off.
But nothing about shrek theshrek movies at least one and
(54:26):
two feels like a rip-off.
Like you know that they'retaking these elements from the
other movies.
They're not shying away from it, but they're trying to put
their own little spin on it andit works very well.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
It's a very unique stamp that they place on the
fairy tale genre and they becomeknown for doing stuff like that
.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
What do you feel about Donkey and Dragon's
children?
Speaker 1 (54:53):
What do you feel about donkey and dragon's
children?
Oh, we can't.
That's definitely the elephantin the room.
I try not to think too hardabout it.
It's just they loved each othervery much and that's what
happens.
Little donkey, dragons.
If you think about it too much,it's grotesque and horrible,
(55:16):
but it's also very funny.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Um, we don't dig too deep into that no, we don't, but
donkey loves him.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Some strong woman, I guess.
I guess you could say strong,fiery woman.
Um, yeah, I thought that thatwas really funny and I think
Shrek the Third dives into thata little bit more, if I remember
.
I know that the donkey childrenare in that one, but yeah, I
(55:44):
just don't remember the movie atall.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, that one it's been so long the first Shrek and
the second Shrek.
I had seen them so many timesso I was able to like remember
for the most part, like most ofthose films, maybe like a little
minor detail here and therethat I might've forgotten.
But I only saw the third onelike once and, like I said, like
I forgot most of that, likepretty much, like I think you're
(56:09):
right about the, the, thedonkey, dragon children.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, guys, thank you for listening to us here.
For our 99th episode Next week,we have something very special.
We're going to be breaking ournext four episodes into, or at
least we're going to try to dothem four episodes back to back
to back.
If we have to break it up with,uh, another movie or whatever
(56:37):
somewhere in the middle of thatseries, we'll do it.
Um, but we're going to try todo four episodes of the rings of
power.
For the first episode, we'regoing to cover the first four
episodes of season one.
The second episode, we're goingto cover the last four episodes
of season one, and we're goingto cover the last four episodes
of season one.
And we're going to do the samefor the second season the first
four episodes and the last fourepisodes.
(56:59):
So we're going to break thisinto four episodes of Project
Ecology so that we can reallydig into the vibes of the Rings
of Power.
Anthony, before we go, what areyou looking forward to with the
rings of power and what is yourlike?
How much of that have youwatched or how much do you need
(57:19):
to rewatch, and so on?
Speaker 2 (57:21):
So I had watched maybe partially of the first
season.
So but I I'm definitely goingto hop back and rewatch like the
entirety of of the first season, like as we go through these
episodes.
So I'm gonna watch the firstfour episodes and then we'll
cover that.
I don't want to likeoversaturate myself myself
(57:44):
before we discuss, because weknow how like deep the lord of
the rings can be.
I mean, we did like that wholeseries and we broke those up.
So I, what I'm looking forwardto is like giving it another
chance.
I there's a reason like itdidn't fully grab me the first
time and like maybe it wasbecause I didn't give it enough
(58:04):
like of a watch, and you know,and that that happens.
You know, there's been a coupleof times where I've had to like
I'll start watching somethingit didn't grab me right away, I
go back to watch it and then itends up being something that I
really really like.
So I mean there's a reason whythis show got a second season.
So hopefully I mean outside ofthe money, but I'm really hoping
(58:30):
that I end up liking it morethan I did the first time around
.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that Iend up liking it more than I did
, like that, the first timearound.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
I think I only watched four orfive episodes of the first
season and it wasn't that.
It wasn't good.
It just wasn't great for me.
You know like there was momentsof like really fantastic stuff
in it.
I like the musical cues a lotof the time.
I like the mystery, even thoughsome of that has now been
spoiled.
For me just being on socialmedia, but we're going to try to
(58:59):
not spoil things that haven'thappened yet in these episodes,
and we might even have a specialguest, because someone is
really trying to join us on ourpodcast and we're going to have
a good time with that.
So we're going to.
Yeah, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yes, yes, you hear that we may be having a special
guest.
We've been.
We like to have guests on ourpodcast.
We like to have that extraperspective.
You know, sometimes there'sthings that you know Dakota or I
won't pick up, that the otherdoes, and so having that extra,
(59:36):
that extra um perspective, willprobably expand that even more,
especially with something thatis really lore intensive, like
something in the lord of therings universe which actually
you know, before we cut this off, we do have war, the roherum
coming out next month.
That I would love to to be ableto like cover oh yeah, I totally
(59:58):
forgot about that, so you knowwhen that's coming out oh, I
want to say like december 7th orsomething in the in the
beginning of december, december13th, so I was like six days off
, but yeah, close enough.
Yeah, beginning of December.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Cool, all right.
Well, guys, thank you so muchfor listening to us here for our
99th episode.
Next week we start our Lord ofthe Rings, the Rings of Power
discussion.
Maybe we'll cap that off with aWar of the Rohirrim episode,
but we shall see how that goes.
War of the Rohirrim episode,but we shall see how that goes.
If you'd like to check out anyof our socials, you can find all
(01:00:37):
that in the show notes downbelow.
Please be sure to give thisepisode.
Wait.
How many stars?
Anthony?
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
We want five stars, but we don't only want them to
be five stars, we want them tobe juicy five stars.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Right, yes, like a rare steak, you know gotta be,
juicy guys, thank you.
Uh, we will see you next weekor hear you next week, or you
will hear us next week.
I don't even know theterminology there.
But thanks so much.
Have a good one bye y'all.
Welcome one and all to Project Geekology, episode 99
, and it's a very specialepisode because it's not just me
, dakota, today I am joined bymy co-host.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Anthony, yes, no mini-sode.
Today I am back.
I was on vacation, but you hada nice little mini-sode by
Dakota.
He did some Q&As about histimelines.
So if you want some questionsanswered or I mean he already
asked those questions andanswered them, but if there's
(00:33):
some that you might have hadthat syncs up with somebody else
that he answered we'll golisten to that.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yep, I had a lot of fun doing that.
Maniso, I asked on Twitter, youknow, if you have any questions
about, you know, my timelineobsessions basically, and the
fact that and I got maybe 10 orso questions, maybe 10 to 15
(01:10):
questions from people asking meabout different stuff from my
MCU timeline to like my D&Dtimeline, and all that and it
was really fun.
I had a really fun time workingon that video or not?
Not?
That video, that podcast, andit's available now.
So if you want to check it out,it is the last thing that we
(01:33):
produced right before thisepisode.
But today we are going far, faraway because we have to attend
the.
What is it?
It was like a betrothal partyor something.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was like a betrothal party or something
Right.
It was like the celebration ofFiona and quote unquote Shrek's
marriage.
But you know, we know thatthere's a whole mess that
happens during that movie.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, so we're going to get into all of that.
I didn't Sorry, for some reasonI couldn't come up with like
the proper terminology becauseit's not.
I'm just so not royal, I don't,you know, have these major
banquets that I have to attendvery often, but it was very
pleasant uh being able to attendthis one, uh in shrek 2.
So, yeah, we're gonna, we'regonna be covering shrek 2 today.
Uh, we covered the first shrekon our last proper episode,
(02:21):
episode 98, and yeah, we have.
We have a lot to talk aboutbecause, anthony, you've been
gone for uh, over a week at thispoint, or at least it's been
over two weeks since we talkedlast.
What have you been up to, myfriend?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
well, you know that I had been up to kind of kind of
quite a bit.
I so the week that you releasedthat mini so I was actually on
vacation I was up in tennesseevisiting family and kind of
hanging out and getting gettingaway from the craziness of south
florida, which was really nice.
(02:53):
I mean since then, like I meanjust not a couple days ago, I
went to a concert.
It was like my first concert ina couple years actually.
Oh no, actually more than acouple years.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Like I don't think I had been to a concert in like
maybe five or more years, dudeuh, dude, I hear you and it's so
weird because, uh, you used tolive with me for like six months
in new york and we went toconcerts almost like every
weekend, like that was our thing.
Uh, so the fact that, like I'min the same boat where I haven't
been to a concert in forever,so tell me, tell me about this
(03:29):
uh concert that you went to.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I know you sent me videos already, but, uh, let's,
let's tell our lovely listenerswhat you attended so I, I know
that and I know that that groupyou know you might not be like
the biggest fan of them, but Iwent to go see Babymetal and you
(03:51):
know Babymetal it's aninteresting group.
It's a mismatch of metal, rockmusic and J-pop.
It is really interesting to seethat, especially live, because
you know they're you're hearingthis like heavy metal music, but
(04:12):
then there's these three girlsand they're dancing like
choreographed dances and thenlike that music kind of like
moves from like heavy metal tosome, like you know, j-pop
influence and then the way thatit kind of like flows in and out
of itself is actually veryinteresting.
I, I ended up, I I actuallywanted to go see them but
(04:34):
because I was on vacation, Ireally wasn't able to swing it
because, you know, I was like,okay, you know I spent this
money on vacation and I gotreached out by a friend while I
was on vacation Like hey, didyou end up getting those tickets
?
And I was like, no, I didn'tend up getting those tickets
because, you know what I justsaid, I was like a vacation and,
(04:56):
like you know, it's just, itjust wasn't smart financially.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You were stretched thin at that point, right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
And so they're like, oh, okay, financially you were
stretched thin at that, right,right.
And so they're like, oh, okay,well, that's fine, because you
know I have an extra ticket.
And oh, they hooked you up.
They yeah, yeah, they hooked meup, and so I I ended up being
able to go see them and, dude, Ihad a really good time.
I mean, dude, I sent you somevideos, like it looked like fun,
right, and there's a lot ofpeople there.
You saw that there, that thing,that was like a big stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
That was like a big concert, dude it really was.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It was like pretty much like packed out, like I
mean I think there were someseats here and there that
weren't sold, but if you go tolook at like the rest of their
shows, a lot of them are likesold out wow, I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's really impressive and I do think, you
know, even though it may not be,may not be something I will go
out of my way to listen to.
I don't generally listen toJ-pop and I don't generally
listen to metal or heavy metal.
Whatever it is the fact thatit's a combined genre and
(06:05):
they've been around for a coupledecades at this point, so I
think that it's a cool blend andI'm sure it must have been a
really cool concert.
So that's awesome.
How was Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Tennessee.
Man, it was a really great time.
I wish it was a little cooler.
It was still teetering on coolevenings, like you know, cool
evenings and cool mornings, butlike the day would kind of shoot
up to like maybe the seventies,but the leaves were like
finally starting to change, so Iwas able to catch that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Awesome.
Yeah, that's cool.
Have you?
Have you been in?
Have you been up to anythingelse recently or not?
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh, no, no, Like that , that's really like the biggest
things.
That that that's really likethe biggest things.
That that that's really likethe biggest things.
That, like I had been up tolike up until this point.
How about you?
I know that you did your, youdid your your mini, so, but like
what else have you been workingon?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
so creatively.
I have been kind of at astandstill, uh, in terms of like
what I'm working on.
So that that Minnesota was agood kind of push for me to just
do something fun for myself,sweet.
So that was a good, goodopportunity for me and just a
good opportunity to, you know,get in touch with my audience
(07:16):
and bring them over to ProjectGeekology, because I don't think
that necessarily overlaps toooften.
So it was a good opportunity tocross-promote a little bit.
So that was fun.
There was something that Ibrought up on the podcast that
I'm not sure that I've everspoken to you about.
I'm going to be moving withinthe next couple months.
(07:38):
Did I mention?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
that I remember you telling me that you're looking
to move within the next likecouple or not not next couple
months, but that you were likein the works of like eventually
moving yeah, so well I mean,like I didn't know if you want
to like say it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I mean we could cut it out, but like I know that you
had said something about jen'sparents and yeah, yeah, so my,
my wife, uh, my in-laws, they'rethey've been building a
two-story garage um on theirproperty for a very long time
and it's finally, you know,built and instead of having it
(08:19):
be a garage, they're turning itinto a little, a little mini
home on their property, you know.
So we're putting a lot of moneyinto fixing that up, getting
the appliances up and ready, andI've been going over there
maybe like once or twice a weekjust to do a little work on
electrical lighting.
We put in cabinets in thekitchen.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
How convenient it is to know to have that skill for
like personal use.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It is yeah, I'm an electrician.
Actually, speaking of which Idid do something like work wise.
That has been like eating awayat me for like the past couple
months is I've completed my OSHA30, which is I remember you
talking about that.
It's something that was just.
It's extremely boring and it'sextremely boring and it's
extremely time consuming.
You need to spend 30 hours at30 hours of your your time over
(09:11):
the course of 180 days to like.
You get a maximum of 180 days tolike complete it, but yeah you
can do a total of like seven anda half hours per day, but like
I could maybe do like one or twohours before I just kill myself
.
You know, like I just I.
It was so mine I shouldn't saythat, but it was so
mind-numbingly dull it so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So that's like that, that's like a like a semester in
college right there, like youknow, like 30 to 40 hours of
like coursework.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, so you practically did, you know, like
a college semester yes yes, andthere's there's like a monetary,
like incentive to like um, whenI next get my, when I get my
next raise, it'll be a littlebumped up just because I have
that certification under my beltokay, so it was worth it at
least yes, no, it will be.
(10:01):
It will pay for itself in theend, but it was just, it just
was just the worst painful, yeah, um and it's it's partially
like why I've been so like, I'vebeen in a creative rut um I
know in the back of my head thatI should be doing that and not
whatever else I want to do.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So yeah, yeah, we all do that we all have that like
dilemma, whether it's like stufflike that or even like personal
growth.
You know I do sometimes I Iwould rather do stuff like this
or you know, watch something orplay video games or go hang out
somewhere, rather than like dothe things that I'm supposed to
(10:39):
do.
So I, I completely know whereyou're coming from and I know
that a lot of our listenersprobably have had that similar
issue.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, it's definitely something that I don't want to
do it again.
I think I have to do it everyfive or ten years or something
like that At least you getanother few years to go.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I've been playing a little bit of video games.
It's not something that Ialways bring up, but yesterday
Jen and I came home and we werelike what video games do we have
, like what can we play rightnow?
And I was just like I've beenwanting to replay Kingdom Hearts
and she's just like let's do it.
So you know, we were making ourway through Destiny Islands
(11:21):
yesterday and it was just fun.
You know, it's just nostalgia,you know, and it's it's super
nostalgic for me because I can.
I I know the beginning of thefirst kingdom hearts game by
heart yeah, to the point wherelike I'm.
I'm letting her play it becauseshe's only played through part
of the game one time, so she'sjust like, where can I find a
(11:42):
rope?
I'm like, oh, that's gonna beover where titus is flipping
around over there.
Where can I find a clock?
Oh, it's in this treehouse overhere.
So, uh, that was, that was fun,it was good, a good time to
play that again.
And it's funny, dude.
I know in the cut scenes like Ican like hear the words that
the characters are going to saybefore they say it in my head,
(12:03):
and sometimes I'll like say italoud and my wife just looks at
me like are you crazy?
How do you know this?
um but I know, yeah, I thinkI've played the beginning of
that first one like a thousandtimes, yeah something about the
beginning, like uh, I think mostof the people playing it like
are super fond of uh, what else?
I've been playing some mobilegames.
Uh, I don't know if you youprobably have grabbed it already
.
I think most of the peopleplaying it are super fond of
(12:24):
what else.
I've been playing some mobilegames.
I don't know if you probablyhave grabbed it already Pokemon,
tcg Pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh, absolutely, I got it.
It was supposed to come out onthe 30th and I think it dropped
for me at least on the 29th andI downloaded it.
I've honestly been keeping aneye on that game for a while
because I was like you know whatthat looks really interesting
and like I really like cardcollecting, especially when it
comes to like pokemon.
That's like one of the biggestthings that you and I like grew
(12:54):
up with was collecting pokemonand yugioh, so this kind of like
scratches that itch.
But I've also kind of learnedhow to play the game a little
bit and you know, because, likewith Pokemon, I actually never
really played it, I onlycollected it.
Yu-gi-oh was the one that Iactually kind of learned to play
right, yu-gi-oh for us was.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Was the the game that we played most?
Uh, speaking of Pokemon TCG,I'm gonna.
Oh, I just I popped open a pack.
It's's some interesting cardsin here.
The first card is a holographicNidoking.
It's a reverse holo.
All right, let's see.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I really want to get that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Let's see Nidoran.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
There's this really cool Mewtwo.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I just got a really cool Nidoking.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, that's cool, not Dakota and I geeking over
over a pokemon tcg pocket, but Imean like for good reason,
because it is, it is like prettyfun, it's something like really
cool, like ex cards, nice andlike some of these like really
cool, like art ones, like yeah,you can't see mine, I don't know
(14:02):
why for some reason reason.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's all right, but it's been fun.
I know some people are supercaught up in it and they're
having a really great time withit.
I haven't gotten hooked on ityet.
I want to, and it feels likesomething that I should be
hooked on.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
The thing I like about it is that it's one of
those games that you can.
You don't have to be likeactive and like playing it.
When you are playing it Like,you can kind of like just think
passively, unless like maybeyou're battling, but like when
you're like kind of openingpacks and then looking through
your cards and even setting updecks, you could set up binders,
(14:40):
which is really cool.
I really like enjoy that aspect.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Another game that I picked up for mobile um has
apparently been out for abouttwo years at this point.
It's called the tower and it'sjust some, it's just, it's just.
It's like an idle tower defensegame that it's just like
incrementally, like you haveinfinite upgrades that you can
make and just keep going furtherand further, and I've been,
(15:04):
I've been hooked on it for thepast couple of weeks, like two
weeks now.
Uh, it's super impressive, justthe the amount of uh thought
that goes into it and like theamount of upgrades that you can
do Um that's cool Like yeah,it's, I'm, I'm.
There's not really much to say.
I just you know something towaste my time and money on.
(15:25):
Basically, all right, shall wejump into the topic at hand.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yes, yes, sorry y'all , for us just like kind of
babbling, it had been a coupleweeks, yeah, since we had like
talked in person.
I mean we text between eachother but like actually talking.
It's been a couple weeks.
So, yeah, let's hop into Shrek,let's go far, far away.
(15:52):
We're moving away from theswamp.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So this appears to take place shortly after the
first movie, because we haveShrek and Fiona begin their, or
we begin the film.
You know, just kind of likeexperiencing some of the good
times that they're having ontheir honeymoon and then they
run home from their honeymoonand donkeys, they're all alone
(16:16):
sad, yeah, and it's just a totalnuisance, you know.
So that was fun.
But we are also introduced to anew character in prince
charming really early on, um,and it actually starts to click
together.
If you remember from the firstmovie, the, the fable says that,
uh, prince charming was goingto grab her from the, the
(16:39):
clutches of the the dragon inher tower yeah, um and the
wording there is very specific.
It says Prince Charming, but itcould just be anyone you know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's so funny because he narrates as he does it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, that was, that was great, that was good.
Yeah, so what are your firstthoughts going into this movie?
You probably haven't seen it ina long time.
I know, I haven't seen it in along time.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, it had been a while but, like my first
thoughts were it was almost likenot much time had passed, like
I felt like a kid watching thisagain, and you know I was.
I was excited because you knowI was anticipating, because,
like I do remember huge chunksof these movie, or huge chunks
of the first and the second oneat least.
I think I saw the third onelike a long time ago and it was
(17:24):
like largely forgettable to me.
But the first and the secondone there those are, like you
know, I could remember those youknow like for the most part,
and and so, yeah, I think I'veonly seen Shrek the third once
yeah and it was in theaters, andthen I never watched the fourth
movie.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
So maybe that's something that we can tackle on
the podcast at some point.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So I think that, like you know, coming into this, you
know I was pretty excitedbecause, like I knew, like what
was, you know what we were goingto get, and you know, I just
felt, like you know, I just feltlike I was laughing almost
nonstop through this movie.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's just really clever, and I want to talk a
little bit about how theymanaged to create such an
intelligent and self-referentialworld.
That kind of works in and ofitself, if you don't think about
it too hard.
this, this world, makes totalsense, as you know, like a kid
(18:29):
yeah so that's something that Ireally appreciate, and the fact
that you take all these fairytales, you take all these
stories and then you just throwthem and lump them into together
and then you just throw an ogreinto the mix and that's
basically basically what thisworld revolves around.
It's.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's just so cool and right you don't really get that
anywhere else and it's not likea classic ogre, like you know
from like the tales of old, likethis big lumbering creature
that eats people it's.
It's a creature that is so usedto being alone because he was
never accepted and that's why hewas always angry and that's why
(19:09):
he didn't really care to bearound others.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And Fiona coming into his life really opened that up,
and so this movie is himstepping out of his comfort zone
even more what is cool aboutthis is that you don't really
you don't consider who fiona'sparents are or why she was in
the tower in the first right butthey give that whole backstory
(19:36):
of, like you know, as a kid shehad this curse put on her.
We don't really understand howshe got the curse or, like you
know, if that was like anintentional thing of the fairy
godmother that we learn later onis evil.
But she has a curse.
She gets sent to a castle andthe only way that the fairy
godmother said that the cursecould be lifted is if her own
(19:56):
son, prince Charming, comes andsaves the day.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So I thought it was very clever when you know we
have Prince Jarming riding intothe tower and he just sees an
empty bed.
Oh, he doesn't see an empty bed, he sees the big bad wolf
sleeping in the bed.
I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I like how he's like Fiona, he's like no.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Instead of Sports Illustrated, he's reading a book
, a magazine called porkillustrated.
Oh god, it was so funny broyeah, just just the, the.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
There's like so many small details like that that
were, you know, different, likereal life things that were
referenced throughout this movieuh, what did you think about
fiona's parents and theirintroduction?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
and like how, how, how are we supposed to take them
moving forward before they evenmeet shrek?
Like what are your thoughts onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
right.
So you know that you can tellthat the father is a little
stuck up, the mom, the mom isdefinitely, it seems, a bit
sweeter and a little bit morelike accepting.
But but yeah, like you can tell, like you know, they're a
little stuck up, maybe a bitpretentious, but you know it.
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It is interesting to see likehow that you know how, when,
when you know shrek and fiona,you know kind of come across
them like how that's gonnaunfold, you know.
I mean obviously we know, butyou know, like like you, you can
tell like it's just gonna be amess what's so weird is that
they don't.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
They know that, uh, fiona and shrek are married, but
they don't seem to understandor know that they're ogres at
this point, even though theythey know to send that.
They, they know to send theinvitation to a swamp, you know,
like um it's, it's just kind ofbackwards logic If you think
about it, like how did they knowwhere they lived?
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How did they know that theywere even married?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
uh, without knowing the details, so so.
So I guess, like in a way likeyou're supposed to have, like
that childlike suspension oflike disbelief you have to.
Yeah, so like you, you canassume that like they maybe sent
out this announcement party tolike go find out wherever they
were and then, and then, likeyou know, kind of you know, I I
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guess like move on from there.
Like you know, like given theinvitation, the announcement,
but then, like you would thinklike okay, at that point the
people that saw them would belike okay, well, that you're in
for a surprise when they gethere a big surprise, yeah yeah
um, I love, I love the trek overto the kingdom of Far, far Away
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.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And I like the notion of Far, far Away because when
we think of that, we think ofStar Wars, like that's probably
the first thing most peoplethink of is a galaxy far, far
away.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And in its own way this is kind of like another
galaxy far, far away, becausefor Shrek he is from a swamp,
he's going to essentiallyHollywood, hollywood for
fairytale creatures and it'sjust everything in.
It is so clever Because evenhaving the far, far away
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Hollywood sign and then you havecelebrity tours but for
fairytale creatures andprincesses, like hollywood sign,
and then like you have uh,celebrity tours but for, like,
uh, fairy tale creatures andprincesses, like there was
cinderella's castle over there,there was, um, a whole bunch of
that stuff and it was.
It was just clever is the wordthat I'm probably going to use
most in this episode, justbecause every time the scene
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would change I'm like, oh, thatwas really good, that was really
clever, or whatever you know.
So, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, no, no, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
What do you think about Donkey showing up, because
he currently has a wife at home?
He's also married.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I know which is.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Or presumably married .
We just assume.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Which is, like you know, it's interesting because,
like you don't really get thatrealization until, like you know
, the end of the movie.
But it would have been weird ifdonkey was not there, because
it would have been like, okay,yeah, you know you had stricken
fiona, but then like where'sdonkey?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
you need a really hardcore, uh, for a kid's movie.
You need a really hardcore fora kid's movie.
You need a really hardcorecharacter to laugh at.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You need your comedic relief, especially in this
movie, when there's so manytense scenes.
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know what I was thinking, and I kind of I didn't
think about it so much so inthe first movie, but I thought
it hit me in this movie.
But there's a lot of things,that or no, there's a couple
things that that, uh, that mikemyers does with shrek, that he
like pulled out of uh austinpowers, like that, like little
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like that joke.
He'll make these like littlelike you know jokes or like
innuendos, and then he'll likelaugh at it, him like self yeah,
he's like and so and so like umand so austin powers did that
he would do that.
He would like, yeah, um, hewould make like a little gag and
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then be like you know, like dothe little laugh.
And so shrek did that out and Iwas like.
I was like, oh my gosh, likehe's taking like influences from
other things, which makes sensefor this movie, because this
movie is all about beinginfluenced by other things, but
making fun of it oh yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
There's so many influences, uh, within this
movie, and let's let's talkabout a little bit of it,
because in the first movie therewas the influence of the Matrix
in that one scene, likespecifically when Fiona is
fighting.
You know they had that likeMatrix camera turn.
They had a bunch of that inthis movie where there was a
scene where it was like MissionImpossible.
(26:01):
Yeah, you know we had Pinocchiolike.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
That scene was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Gliding down, there's so many hilarious scenes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What else?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
there was the, there was the one ring um yes, there
was on their honeymoon uh thingthey had.
That you know like the classicscene of like the ring flying
onto frodo's finger.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was fiona's finger , obviously, uh and it was a
wedding ring, rather than likethe one ring, but then like it,
also like it, but then you alsosaw, like the red lettering on
it yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
like I love you, or something yeah yeah, I can't
remember.
I know that there was otherstuff I just off the top of my
head.
I cannot think about it rightnow, but I just remember it was
very like early 2000s, uh,references that you know it's
something, it's.
It's all stuff that you and Igrew up with and it was very
like early 2000s, uh, referencesthat you know, it's something.
Yeah, it's all stuff that youand I grew up with and it was
just like oh, remember that.
Oh, I remember that, yeah, sothat was cool.
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Sorry, it was like a weirdnoise behind me.
Um, yeah, speaking about donkey, um, we know that presumably
they're like he and Dragon arestill together or they're having
a rough patch or something inthe beginning, because that's
why he's at the swamp in thefirst place, and he says
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something along the lines oflike she's very moody right now
and I don't know why, and Idon't want to be around her,
basically, and that's the reasonhe's like hanging with shrek
and fiona at this point, andthen eventually goes on their
journey to far, far away andthere's that long scene of are
we there yet?
Are we there?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
yeah, yeah, and then that, oh my gosh dude, there's.
There's like so many like goodscenes in this movie so it has
like the, the classic charactersfrom like the first one, like
you know, pinocchio and the pigsand gingerbread man, like
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they're.
They were all in the first one.
They had a little bit more ofan active role in this one,
especially like towards the end,but then like we get an awesome
and I mean awesome addition tothis movie and puss in boots I
thought you were talking aboutthe giant gingerbread man oh, no
(28:12):
, no, no, no.
I mean that's that, that's like,that's like later on dude that
was awesome.
But yes, uh, puss in boots ohfantastic dude, puss in boots,
had me dying the entire time.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Man, the and uh, it's a perfect voice by voice by
antonio banderas, which antoniobanderas.
He did so good, dude, like.
Every, every single line thathe did was just.
This is exactly how a cat wouldsay that you know like, but the
best, the best scene by far,the best scene by far is when,
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uh, like they're, they'rebreaking into far, far away, uh
donkey, uh shrek, and uh andpuss in boots and there's like a
, it's like a cop show.
That's happening live on yes,yes and they pull out catnip
from puss in boots like belt andhe goes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's not my man I know he like the, the, the night
sniffs, he's like catnip, dude,dude, that that scene, that
scene was so, so funny.
And then, like what about thescene like after Shrek goes
through like this transformationhe takes this potion, he's
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trying to make Fiona happy andhe takes this potion that makes
him human and turns her backinto human and then it turns
Donkey into a horse rather thanyou know, a donkey, and it's so
funny, like when they go backand like Fiona and Shrek they
keep missing each other.
But she ends up outside and so,like she meets Puss in Boots
(29:55):
and Donkey and like she likelooks up at Puss in Boots and
like Puss in Boots is like youknow, he's cleaning himself,
like very much so like a cat,and she's like Shrek and she's
likerek and she's like for you,baby, I could be anybody or
something like that oh, and thenshrek's inside, you know, just
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trapped oh, it's so good.
I'm gonna be honest, like, likeI think from that point on, like
puss in boots was like myfavorite character, like in the
shrek universe and it turns outhe's got the best movie in the
shrek universe.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Did you ever see the new puss in boots movie?
Last wish dude.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So good, it was incredible, so good, it had no
right being that good no,because it's.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You know, the shrek movies are great.
They're good fun yes butthey're not like they're good
kids movies.
You know they're not like goodmovies if, if you understand my
meaning, like uh, you don't feellike a profound sense of uh,
you know like wow, I justwatched a piece of art when you
watch right, right, that's whatI got with the.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The last wish exactly like the shrek movies are like
good fun for like the kids andadults, but the last wish
excellent popcorn flick exactly.
but the last wish was likeinsane and it and it was like it
was like teaching, like lessonsfor like both kids and adults.
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I'm like dude, what ishappening right now?
I said, why is this so good?
But my coworker had, um, they,they had seen it and they're
like you have to go see it, it'sso good.
I ended up going, um, I think,oh, it was on Netflix for a
little while and I decided towatch it.
I'm like dude, what?
And?
And it was awesome because,like Puss in Bo boots is like my
(31:45):
favorite character in the shrekuniverse, and the fact that,
like he had gotten such a solid,like glass movie, come on yeah,
um, they, they're making ashrek 5.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I'm hoping that puss in boots comes back into that.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm assuming he will considering yeah, yeah, he
became like a.
He became a a main character,even though donkey says that
there's only room for oneannoying talking animal I.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I disagree with donkey there I'm really happy.
One of my favorite scenes isthat initial dinner or luncheon
setting with uh, shrek, fiona,the parents and Donkey.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And it's just a stare down between Fiona's father and
Shrek.
Obviously, Fiona's father doesnot think that Shrek is good
enough for his baby girl andShrek obviously is feeling
extremely discriminated againstand it's almost like a Meet the
Fockers.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh, yes, setting.
I don't know if that wasintentional, but that might have
that vibe, that might have been, that might have been an
influence of that movie.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, I think so, because the character types,
like the mother in Meet theFockers, if I remember correctly
, was much more open to you knowthat relationship, open to you,
know that relationship, andit's the same in this movie, you
know, with Shrek and Fiona,where the father is the real
antagonist and is, you know,trying to break them up.
Or, you know, show the daughterthat the husband that they,
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that you know the daughter chose, isn't the person that they
should be with, you know.
So I thought that that was areally interesting dynamic.
But there's the scene wherethey're all yelling at each
other, like they're all yellingeach other's name and then
donkey's, just like donkey.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Oh, yeah, oh, like he just says his own name, it's
like Shrek Fiona, you know that,that kind of thing.
And then like Donkey, just likeyells out his name, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, it's fantastic.
It's so good.
That whole scene is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
So this movie, you know, let's talk a little bit
about like the casting, Becausewe talked about like how crazy
the casting was for this movieor for the first movie, and then
so this one opens up like a lotmore.
Like we already talked aboutantonio banderas which you know
he had at that point he had donelike the zoro movie, so like
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people knew who he was.
And then you we have johncleese that plays, uh, king
harold julie andrews that thatplays queen lillian there's,
dude, there's, there's so many.
Um, there is also, was it larryking, like plays a character in
there?
It's, there's, there, dude,there's a lot of they kind of
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like it's a massive cast a lotof it.
Lot of it is kind of cameos likeJoan Rivers.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yes, Joan Rivers has a fantastic cast.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And she was her.
It was like a cartoon versionof her.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Wait a minute, larry King was playing the ugly,
stepsister.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, isn't that wild .
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I did not get that at all.
That's hilarious.
Oh man, man, yeah, I'm lookingat the cast list too now.
Uh, there's a lot of people Idon't recognize.
But the people I do recognizeare just like whoa, whoa,
they're in this, whoa um.
So yeah, they again.
Fantastic, fantastic cast.
Apparently the big bad wolf inthis universe is called wolf w
(35:27):
wolf.
I would have never guessed thatno, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So, yeah, like the, the casting, this like really
expands a lot in in this one,because it was mostly just like
the three of them in in thefirst movie, with, you know, the
occasional like person likethrown in.
So like, yeah, they, I guessthey wanted to like open up the
casting.
And then so this one I knowthat you're talking about like
(35:57):
how the backgrounds in the firstone a little bit more like on
the bland side, whereas this onethey added like so much more it
is, I mean, it's, it's vibrant,but you can tell that, like the
, the animation is.
They've like tuned up theanimation in the second one and
(36:18):
I mean the dude.
This movie is 20 years old andto me it, to me it was still
solid.
Sure, the animation models arevery early 2000s, but they still
look very solid.
They don't look like a 3Danimation model from the 90s.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So have you ever heard of Shrek's Law?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I have not Elaborate so yeah, Shrek's Law is it's.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I'm reading the AI overview on over on Google, but
it's something that I wasplanning to bring up in this
video and it's a good thing thatyou mentioned the idea of like
bigger backgrounds.
Much more is being rendered atthe same time and it just seems
like a more uh, populated worldright in the second movie.
So shrek's law is a term used todescribe the trend of
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increasing cpu hours required toproduce each shrek film.
The law states that the cpuhours needed to produce a shrek
sequel will double compared tothe previous film.
So here are some examples InShrek from 2001, it required
approximately 5 million CPUrender hours.
Shrek 2 required over 10million hours of CPU rendering.
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Shrek the third required 20million and Shrek Forever After
actually required 50 million CPUrender hours.
And it's just just.
It's amazing because astechnology increases, um, that
doesn't necessarily cut down onthe amount of time that you know
rendering is actually going totake.
(37:59):
And it actually seems to be theopposite trend where, like you
have to spend, you have to useway more computing power to
render all of these movies.
And a lot of these movies theycame down to the line.
If I remember correctly, one ofthe Shrek movies wasn't
finished rendering until the daybefore it was ready to go out
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to theaters.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
It just takes so much rendering power to create these
movies.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I always found that that was really fascinating I
wonder how many, I wonder whatum the last wish is that yeah,
let's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I wonder if I can look that up.
Um, puss in boots last wishrender, uh, cpu render hours.
Apparently, the original Pussin Boots movie required 60
(38:58):
million render hours.
I do not see that there's beenany information released about
the new Puss in boots movie, butyou know, back in 2011, 60
million render hours that's,that's insane.
Yeah, no, it's, it's nuts andit just it's a trend that, like
(39:18):
you know, so shrek forever.
After 50 million cpu renderhours in 2010 and 2011, the puss
in boots movie came out thefirst puss in boots, not last
wish and that was 60 million.
So I I hope that that trenddoesn't like isn't like
exponential, because that isjust like a bad, that's bad news
for like movies down the line.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Um, but yeah, I guess we'll have to have to see about
that I mean, we see how long ittakes for a movie like the
incredibles to be made.
You know, and like, in thattime between like the first and
the second one, we had like ahandful of like shrek movies,
you know.
And then so in the time before,I mean in the the time between
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the second one and then like thethird one, you know where we're
we've had some Shrek stuff.
You know, there's the Last Wish.
We're probably going to begetting Shrek 5.
Is it Shrek 5?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, in 2026.
I think it's Shrek 5.
Let me look it up.
Shrek 5 release date yeah, it'sscheduled for July 1st of 2026.
So summer 2026.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Right, so we'll be getting that before we get
Incredibles 3 and probably GTA 6.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's a little bit of a joke that I wanted to throw
in there.
That's a little.
That's a little bit of a jokethat I wanted to throw in there
because that's like, you know,like gta6 is like um, I guess
it's like a, a unit of, likemeasuring time, like oh, we got
this before gta6.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You know that kind of thing uh, gta is is like the
more popular of of that, but um,for me it's elder scrolls,
because we've've been waitingfor Elder Scrolls VI for over a
decade.
At this point it's just beennebulously announced.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Right right, they had announced it and I think that
announcement was really just tobuy them time and really at that
point they probably hadn't evenstarted that project.
It was just an announcement thatthey planned on doing it yeah
um that's like me when I, when Ilike, tease timeline projects,
it's like I haven't reallystarted, but you know well, like
(41:35):
, at least you say like, this isin the works, like, like
usually like in the works foryou is that like you're planning
to do it and there's a lot thatgoes into it before you
actually like sit in front of acamera right, yeah, there's a
lot of studying and, uh, writingand collecting data.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Um, before any of like, the actual stuff is
culminated on camera or likeexactly so yep, no, I agree, um,
maybe.
So let's go back to shrek 2.
I don't know why we, we deviate.
Yes, yes, rabbit, trail, rabbittrail.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
But let's go back to Shrek 2.
I don't know why we deviated soquickly.
Yes, rabbit trail rabbit trail.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But, let's talk about the fairy godmother.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, I wanted to actually talk about her and how
she goes from a seemingly goodcharacter to being the villain
of this film.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Which is fascinating, because in most fairy tale
media you think of the fairygodmother as this almost deus ex
machina character that willhelp the protagonist see their
true potential and in some waysshe is showing people their true
(42:43):
potential.
But the way that they handle itin this movie is almost like
cosmetic, like um, it's almostshe's almost like a plastic
surgeon and and this universe,you know, like she just wants to
make everyone feel good, um,instead of actually, you know,
attaining their true potentialright Uh you know, as is the
(43:04):
norm in you know fairytalemovies, right, you know, as is
the norm in you know fairy talemovies and stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
So I thought that like that.
That was like very hollywoodalso, which is like kind of what
the setting?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
is in right.
Yeah, so you think of, likecinderella, the fairy godmother
there is right, you know alwaystrying to prop up cinderella to
show that she's not just thisstepsister that cleans all day,
she can actually be a princess.
You know, with the fairygodmother of this movie it's all
a business.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It's all part of this brand that she's creating, or
that she has created, to massproduce spells and potions that
are fleeting and um yeah youknow momentary, uh, in terms of,
like their, the satisfaction ofthe the person imbibing it
(43:56):
right, this is where uh shrekgets that one potion that turns
him and fiona to humans anddonkey into a horse yeah, so
what did you think of Shrek'shuman form?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
He became this.
He was still a large dude, buthe kind of became a hunk.
I guess Hunk would be the term.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, that was so funny.
I do find it funny that theydecided to go with the opposite
form of him being some reallyattractive he had muscles, he
was big.
Like the opposite form of himbeing some like really
attractive, like kind of, yeah,I mean like he had, like he had
muscles.
You know, he was big and solike that's like I.
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I honestly pictured that likethat's what, like shrek is like
very strong and so if he wasn'tfat he would probably be very
muscular.
So like that was like prettymuch like what he would look
like.
But then like yeah, they likemade him a human.
I mean it was interesting andlike I don't know, to me it
didn't feel weird, it it?
(45:01):
I imagine, like I, I think thatthey like reimagined him as a
human, like pretty well and itstill looked like shrek it had
the muscular or the physicalfeatures of his face and his
body build and everything likethat.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Even Donkey still had Donkey's face somehow just
superimposed onto a horse.
One thing that with Donkey'stransformation when he
eventually transforms back froma horse into a donkey never
realized how different horsestails were to donkey tails, like
that was something that waslike really jarring for me,
(45:37):
because, um, horse tails arejust covered in hair, so you
don't really see the like thelength of the tail.
It just looks like a big whipof uh of hair, right, but donkey
tails are very long and with alittle poof of hair.
Yeah, so when when theytransitioned in that I was just
like I never realized howdifferent horses are to donkeys,
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but you know they're in thesame family of uh animals.
But yeah, I thought that wascool.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You learn something new every day, guys yeah, no,
that that that definitely was aninteresting and like I think
that, like they do so well, andthe fact, like, how they were
able to do that animation oftransformation, especially with
the technology that they hadback then, and that it wasn't
(46:29):
some hand-drawn animation, which, like you know, hand-drawn
animation, it has its own issuesbut like you can kind of hand
draw that animation, whereasthis you're trying to like use
as much as you can.
There's only, as there's a verylimited amount of computing
power that you have.
So the fact that, like a lot ofthe stuff that they did looked
(46:53):
like very well, you know, itdidn't look choppy, it didn't
look you know how, sometimes,for the sake of of computing
animation, there's a little bitof a frame drop yeah you don't
see that as much.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think there was a couple times, but not as much so
, um, it's interesting that youbring that up, um, and it's
interesting also because of the,the content of, like, what is
being explored in this.
So you're talking about thetransformation scenes and, yeah,
they are pretty spectacular, um, especially because it's cg,
like it's cg rendering.
But you also mentioned 2d andits limitations and I thought
(47:31):
that that was an interesting uhchoice because it reminded me of
another transformation, thatbeing Cinderella, who we've
brought up a couple of times atthis point.
When Cinderella transforms fromher rags into a ball gown, it's
a very beautiful 2D animationand it's said to be Walt
Disney's favorite sequence everanimated for his, for his movies
(47:54):
, just it's.
It's uh.
I went to I think it was the met, yeah, the met museum in uh in
central park in new york.
Uh, they had a like a waltdisney um animation exhibit and
one of the things that theyshowcased was the original um,
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it was like 50 frames from thatcinderella transformation and
they explained, like, why thiswas such a big deal for walt
disney, and I thought thatthat's something that's always
stuck with me.
It's just like something sosimple as a transformation could
be something uh, so magical,even to the, the likes of um you
know animation kings like likethis guy right and and like that
(48:38):
that's.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I think that like that's because you know, moments
like that, like they're likereally pushing to see what they
can do and you know, yeah, likethere's many times that like
I'll watch something from backin those days, like you know,
from the 30s, 40s, 50s, 70s,that they'll do something that
(48:59):
like really baffles me, like howdid they do that?
Because they didn't have cgback then right, they had to get
really.
They had to get really creativethey did, um, and I know like
this is a little bit ofdigressing, but this is all
really to culminate how amazingit is that Shrek did what it did
with the amount of power it hadback then, the limited power
(49:23):
that they had back then.
But Star Wars and the blasterfires and the things that they
had to do with that, like how toget that effect and stuff, and
so you know like we you know wegrow up watching a lot of these
things.
you know Disney movies, starWars, shrek but we don't realize
(49:43):
, like how a lot of these movieslike push the envelope on stuff
and I can imagine like I meancreating an animation is like
tough, but like I can imaginelike back then, with the less
power that they had, that likethey really had to like push as
much as they could and like Imean it, it worked out in their
(50:05):
favor because this is like byfar the best, like shrek movie
and I'm not saying like shrekuniverse movie, I'm gonna say
shrek movie because like yeah,you know I will argue to say the
last wish is the best shrekuniverse movie yeah, I can.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I will agree to that.
I will definitely agree to thatbefore we uh leave.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
We haven't talked about um uh the fairy godmother
and uh her relation to kingharold her relation to king
harold and prince charming andlike, really like, what unfolds
in this movie yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
So one thing that we find out, uh, somewhere in the
midpoint of the movie, when youknow, uh, king harold is doing
everything in his power to likeget rid of shrek, we find out
that, uh, the fairy godmotherhas a um deal with king herald
that you know was enacted many,many years ago, stating you know
, I will make you king orwhatever, if my son eventually
(51:04):
marries your daughter yeah thatpromise is broke uh, broken when
shrek eventually marries that.
So she's threatening to reverseand renege on her end of the
promise as well, which meansthat he's going to return not to
just a lowly human but to afrog.
And throughout the moviethere's like little hints and
(51:25):
gestures that you know there'ssomething you know different
about their relationship andyeah, it's because he's because
he's the frog, he's basicallythe, it's the princess and the
frog, basically.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was funny.
We find out the.
Yeah, the whole reason thatshe's trying to do this is
because her son is PrinceCharming and you know she wants
to.
You know she, she babies himpretty much like.
She wants him to like have theworld and so she wants him to
have this kingdom.
(51:57):
I like that.
There's that one scene wherethe fairy godmother pulls king
harold into, like the into thatcarriage and they pass by like,
like the medieval, like fat boyor friar friar boy oh yeah, and
so fry boy.
Yeah, that's what it was and so,like you know, it's like a fast
(52:19):
food.
She's like, she's like oh yeah,do you want the carne fries?
no, no, I, I could get anythingand like prince charming gets
like the kids meal, you know yes, I like that it comes with, uh,
a full like two-handed battleaxe seriously that, yeah, that
was hilarious, yeah, yeah, thefilm is pretty much, yeah, like
(52:40):
the push and pull of the fairygodmother trying to, you know,
set up her, her, her child, herto become king, and then there's
the whole narrative that youknow Shrek is also trying to
fight, not being good enough,not being the one that Fiona
(53:01):
wanted to marry, you know.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
And there's a fantastic moment actually, I
mean, this movie's full of thembut there's a fantastic moment
where they riff off of.
So what's great about Shrek isthat they take these concepts,
these stories, and then theyturn them on their head and they
kind of show you what canhappen if the opposite is true.
(53:26):
So there's the moment whereShrek is being kept in the
bedroom by the fairy godmotherand all the furniture starts
waking up, kind of like inBeauty and the Beast.
But in Beauty and the Beastthat was a moment where they
were trying to you know, thefurniture was trying to like
prop up the beast.
You know it was like you gotthis, yeah, yeah, if, if you
(53:48):
don't do this, then you know,we'll all be stuck as furniture
forever or whatever.
So it was like a positivemoment.
But in this movie the furniturewas blocking him from leaving
the room.
It was trapping him there andbasically telling him he wasn't
good enough, and I thought thatwas super cool.
It was just different.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, and so I liked that, and we've talked about it,
how they take these elementsfrom other movies.
It's so easy for a movie tolike, take an element or like
the entirety of, like a wholeother movie and make it feel
like a rip-off.
But nothing about shrek theshrek movies at least one and
(54:26):
two feels like a rip-off.
Like you know that they'retaking these elements from the
other movies.
They're not shying away from it, but they're trying to put
their own little spin on it andit works very well.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
It's a very unique stamp that they place on the
fairy tale genre and they becomeknown for doing stuff like that
.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
What do you feel about Donkey and Dragon's
children?
Speaker 1 (54:53):
What do you feel about donkey and dragon's
children?
Oh, we can't.
That's definitely the elephantin the room.
I try not to think too hardabout it.
It's just they loved each othervery much and that's what
happens.
Little donkey, dragons.
If you think about it too much,it's grotesque and horrible,
(55:16):
but it's also very funny.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Um, we don't dig too deep into that no, we don't, but
donkey loves him.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Some strong woman, I guess.
I guess you could say strong,fiery woman.
Um, yeah, I thought that thatwas really funny and I think
Shrek the Third dives into thata little bit more, if I remember
.
I know that the donkey childrenare in that one, but yeah, I
(55:44):
just don't remember the movie atall.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, that one it's been so long the first Shrek and
the second Shrek.
I had seen them so many timesso I was able to like remember
for the most part, like most ofthose films, maybe like a little
minor detail here and therethat I might've forgotten.
But I only saw the third onelike once and, like I said, like
I forgot most of that, likepretty much, like I think you're
(56:09):
right about the, the, thedonkey, dragon children.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, guys, thank you for listening to us here.
For our 99th episode Next week,we have something very special.
We're going to be breaking ournext four episodes into, or at
least we're going to try to dothem four episodes back to back
to back.
If we have to break it up with,uh, another movie or whatever
(56:37):
somewhere in the middle of thatseries, we'll do it.
Um, but we're going to try todo four episodes of the rings of
power.
For the first episode, we'regoing to cover the first four
episodes of season one.
The second episode, we're goingto cover the last four episodes
of season one, and we're goingto cover the last four episodes
of season one.
And we're going to do the samefor the second season the first
four episodes and the last fourepisodes.
(56:59):
So we're going to break thisinto four episodes of Project
Ecology so that we can reallydig into the vibes of the Rings
of Power.
Anthony, before we go, what areyou looking forward to with the
rings of power and what is yourlike?
How much of that have youwatched or how much do you need
(57:19):
to rewatch, and so on?
Speaker 2 (57:21):
So I had watched maybe partially of the first
season.
So but I I'm definitely goingto hop back and rewatch like the
entirety of of the first season, like as we go through these
episodes.
So I'm gonna watch the firstfour episodes and then we'll
cover that.
I don't want to likeoversaturate myself myself
(57:44):
before we discuss, because weknow how like deep the lord of
the rings can be.
I mean, we did like that wholeseries and we broke those up.
So I, what I'm looking forwardto is like giving it another
chance.
I there's a reason like itdidn't fully grab me the first
time and like maybe it wasbecause I didn't give it enough
(58:04):
like of a watch, and you know,and that that happens.
You know, there's been a coupleof times where I've had to like
I'll start watching somethingit didn't grab me right away, I
go back to watch it and then itends up being something that I
really really like.
So I mean there's a reason whythis show got a second season.
So hopefully I mean outside ofthe money, but I'm really hoping
(58:30):
that I end up liking it morethan I did the first time around
.
Yeah, I'm really hoping that Iend up liking it more than I did
, like that, the first timearound.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
I think I only watched four orfive episodes of the first
season and it wasn't that.
It wasn't good.
It just wasn't great for me.
You know like there was momentsof like really fantastic stuff
in it.
I like the musical cues a lotof the time.
I like the mystery, even thoughsome of that has now been
spoiled.
For me just being on socialmedia, but we're going to try to
(58:59):
not spoil things that haven'thappened yet in these episodes,
and we might even have a specialguest, because someone is
really trying to join us on ourpodcast and we're going to have
a good time with that.
So we're going to.
Yeah, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yes, yes, you hear that we may be having a special
guest.
We've been.
We like to have guests on ourpodcast.
We like to have that extraperspective.
You know, sometimes there'sthings that you know Dakota or I
won't pick up, that the otherdoes, and so having that extra,
(59:36):
that extra um perspective, willprobably expand that even more,
especially with something thatis really lore intensive, like
something in the lord of therings universe which actually
you know, before we cut this off, we do have war, the roherum
coming out next month.
That I would love to to be ableto like cover oh yeah, I totally
(59:58):
forgot about that, so you knowwhen that's coming out oh, I
want to say like december 7th orsomething in the in the
beginning of december, december13th, so I was like six days off
, but yeah, close enough.
Yeah, beginning of December.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Cool, all right.
Well, guys, thank you so muchfor listening to us here for our
99th episode.
Next week we start our Lord ofthe Rings, the Rings of Power
discussion.
Maybe we'll cap that off with aWar of the Rohirrim episode,
but we shall see how that goes.
War of the Rohirrim episode,but we shall see how that goes.
If you'd like to check out anyof our socials, you can find all
(01:00:37):
that in the show notes downbelow.
Please be sure to give thisepisode.
Wait.
How many stars?
Anthony?
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
We want five stars, but we don't only want them to
be five stars, we want them tobe juicy five stars.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Right, yes, like a rare steak, you know gotta be,
juicy guys, thank you.
Uh, we will see you next weekor hear you next week, or you
will hear us next week.
I don't even know theterminology there.
But thanks so much.
Have a good one bye y'all.
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