Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) - Project Geekology

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 106 of Project Geekology.
And the force is really strongwith this episode, because not
only is it 106, but we arecovering episode 6 of Star Wars,
return of the Jedi.
And to do that, joining me, asalways, is.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Dakota, you didn't say your own name.
What's your name, dude?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know I forgot at the beginning of, you know I
forgot my name in that moment,but this is Anthony and joining
us, anthony and Dakota, for agood little while now is Rich,
Happy to be on.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
guys.
Thanks for having me againReally excited.
As you guys can see, I do havethe Return of the Jedi Death
Star behind me.
It is, in fact, fullyoperational.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Every time I see it I keep on thinking it's
Battlestar.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
For those of you listening at home or on your
commute or wherever you listento us, Rich has a.
It's not a wallpaper, they'relike wall stickers.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Giant stickers that we put on over a black wall.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's very cool.
Yeah, like fat heads right.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yep fatheads.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, okay, I didn't know the exact terminology,
excuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Wow, dakota.
Wow, seriously, man, what am Idoing?
And you call yourself a nerd ora geek.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel like a loser.
Now, guys, we're coveringReturn of the Jedi, the sixth
episode in the Star Wars saga,the third film to ever have been
released, directed by RichardMarquand.
We have a lot of thoughts as towhat we like and dislike about
this movie, and we're going toget into all of that very
shortly.
But before we get into any ofthat, let's talk a little bit

(01:35):
about what we've been up to thispast week.
Rich, you were mentioning acouple things off the podcast
before we started.
You want to reiterate that.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh, since we in depth before, I didn't think we'd
talk about it again, but I guesswe need like a diluted version,
you know like cliff notes oflike what you're doing.
Yeah, so, uh, I'm I.
I like to reward myself as ateacher.
So after we came back fromwinter recess, we started to
watch revenge of the sith.
It is part of my larger macbethunit where we follow a tragic

(02:04):
hero, so I thought we'd start itoff with Anakin and then we
kick it over to Macbeth.
So it's a great way to comeback from break and one of the
few units of the year that Icreate an extensive PowerPoint
for, because I struggle withwhat information they need
before going into the movie.
So it's been rather excitingtimes.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
But that's actually very cool.
I would have loved that if Iwere a kid in your classroom.
Sadly I wasn't, but I do likethat concept of using Revenge of
the Sith to ease your kids intoShakespeare, because I do
believe that the prequel trilogyis the closest we have in I big

(02:45):
franchise media to likeshakespearean drama today.
I think that that's really coolyeah, I don't, I just don't.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I think we have we kind of got into like a very
anti-hero, you know, like youcan't say like tony soprano or I
mean I guess maybe walter white, but even then I still think
that a lot of these kind of new,you know the, the anti-heroes,
don't really kind of fall intothat tragic hero genre as well,
and we kind of really haveembraced the anti-hero for like

(03:14):
the last, I don't know, 20something years at least, I
think, in cinema and tv yeah,what else?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
what else have you been up to outside of the fringe
of the sith?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
you know, just you know, keeping going with Dragon
Age Veilguard, I think I'm nearthe end.
It's actually getting to thepoint where my wife is actually
enjoying it.
She won't admit this out loud,but she has been.
She's come in and normally shetells me you know it's time to
end it, let's go watch a show.
Oh, she hovers Now she's sittingdown and she's been kind of.
She actually corrected mebecause one of the characters

(03:43):
said something like we're goingto go fight this dragon.
It'll be your first time.
I was like it's not my firsttime fighting a dragon, I
already fought two.
And then my wife goes.
Didn't you listen to what shesaid?
She said those other dragonswere controlled by gods, this
one's not.
And I was like, oh wow, she'spaying close attention.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So what have you been up to?
She knows sonic's name well yeswhat have I been up to?
not a whole lot.
Yeah, I, I, I'm gonna.
I'm feeling pretty lame thisweek.
I didn't get a lot done, just alot of stuff around the house
and the new house as well astrying to just do random things.
But yeah, nothing, nothing towrite home about.

(04:22):
Reread the dawn of yang chenfor probably the hundredth time,
because I'm trying to nail downthis script.
But yeah, anthony, I'm gonnathrow it over to you wow so, so
quickly, dakota.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Wow, um, I don't really have anything.
I'm trying to think, like Iknow I must have done something
you know and and rich you knowyou watch revenge of the sith,
but that's not the movie we'recovering.
You watch the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know that you got .
You know what I did, anthonyyou know, that I went and I
watched phantom menace, attackof the clones, revenge of the
sith.
A new hope empire strikes back.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Return of the jedi rogue one oh, so you watched all
of them to watch that one, okay, yep.
So last week we're talkingabout where I had said that I
had started that show, the Wire,so I finished the first season.
Now I'm like a couple episodesinto the second season.
That show is crazy, man, thatshow is crazy.
And, yeah, man, like it's oneof those ones that you

(05:18):
definitely need to like watchsomething else to bounce you out
, because there's a lot of liketragedy that does happen.
But yeah, it's been, it's beengood.
I've been playing a lot ofmarvel rivals.
Today, as of recording, whichis wednesday, january 8th, they
actually started their newseason of marvel rivals and they
dropped the fantastic fourtoday, so we got like all of

(05:39):
them oh, that's really cool yeahhow do they play?
so well.
I haven't been able to play.
I've been at work all day so Ihaven't been able to play them
yet.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
But oh, so you're itching to get this recording
done yes, man, like we needhurry up like this is gonna be
like a 20 minute recording no no, but I've only seen some of
invisible woman and mr fantastic.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I haven't seen any of the others.
But Invisible Woman, I thinkshe's like a strategist which is
like the support heroes, likeshe can make herself and like
others, like invisible, likekind of like putting out fields
and stuff.
I think that Mr Fantastic isVanguard, which is like the tank
, so he's like a tanky characterwhich I guess, like you could

(06:24):
put him there, the thing I'massuming is also a vanguard, and
johnny storm, the human torch,is probably a duelist, which is
like the dps.
And you know, and I know thatwhen I hop onto marvel rivals,
and in true marvel rivalsfashion, there's probably going
to be the four to five dps andthen like one healer.
So or like one tank, one healerand like four dps, oh my gosh,

(06:46):
it's like it reminds me of, likethe wild west days of early
overwatch I, I can only imagine,but but yeah, so it's a is zeus
storm, basically like a sombrano, you know who's closer to
sombra.
Believe it or not, is psylockepsylocke yeah, psylocke uh
psylocke has likesylocke.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, Psylocke Atacando las luces.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Psylocke has this ability that makes her go
invisible.
She also I don't know she's alot more fast-paced moving she
has this dash attack that kindof reminds me a little bit of
Sombra's Translocator, which incurrent day, sombra's
Translocator is not somethingthat you can put down and then
like zap to later.

(07:26):
It's like you throw it up intothe air and then, like you
translocate in like a couple ofseconds or like you know, or
it's like a room or somewhere,like in whatever direction you
translocate, either on impact,or like after a couple seconds
yeah, yeah, so so that, sopsylocke is a little bit closer
to her.
I was wondering, like how thatdynamic was gonna work, because

(07:47):
I was like, okay, psylocke issomebody that already goes
invisible and then obviously,you know, sue Storm is literally
named Invisible Woman.
So we're gonna have twoinvisible characters, and I mean
with Psylocke it's not likeSombra, where Sombra's was like
a long-term invisibility.
Sombra, she's not at where I'mtrying to think of what her

(08:07):
invisibility is like.
Now.
They've been like really justmessing around with so many of
the characters in Overwatch, andI think that Marvel Rivals is
trying to learn from fromOverwatch.
My only issue with MarvelRivals is that they really need
to polish it a little bit more.
It does feel like an upscaledmobile game sometimes.
I mean it is created by NetEase, which that is what they're

(08:30):
really mostly known for.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's the vibe that I got from the couple matches
that I played of Rivals was thatit's an unpolished Overwatch.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right, right and.
Paladins is a little bit likethat too, but the thing is that
I feel like Paladins is a littlebit like that too.
But the thing is is that I feellike Paladins fits in a weird
space.
Paladins is fun there's nothingwrong with Paladins but I feel
like Paladins really is like themarriage of a MOBA game and a
game like Overwatch.
You know so, I mean they cameout around the same time, but

(09:01):
yeah, no, I've been playing alot of Marvel Rivals.
I do have fun with it, though,like, even though it feels a
little bit more unpolished thanoverwatch, it is one of the
better games that tries to fitthe same bill, if that makes
sense.
You know like, I mean there's acouple games out there that are
very similar to overwatch andthis one holds more attention.
It's I mean I don't know howtrue it is, I haven't looked

(09:22):
into the statistics of it, but Imean so far, over a month, yeah
, like, literally like a fewdays ago it's been a month.
They say that it's retained 90%of its players.
So I mean it's pretty good andI mean I hop onto it.
I might play like a few matchesevery night.
Sometimes I want to you know,know, mindlessly play a game, so

(09:45):
I'll hop on to to like maybe anrpg, like you know you kind of
grind out or maybe even um,world of warcraft.
World of warcraft is really.
It's a really good like podcastgame that you don't really have
to like invest too much into.
Like cinematics or anything.
I mean, if a cinematic pops up,I'll like pause whatever I'm
listening, but you know howworld of warcraft is.

(10:06):
So yeah, so like that.
That's mostly really what I'vebeen up to.
You know, like gaming andwatching the wire, so very good
guys.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Han solo's been trapped in carbonite for a year
yeah, man, I think we need totake some time to really like
let that sink in.
I think that's enough time hewas a rock yeah, he was.
He was stuck on gabba's wallfor quite a bit.
So I want to start this offwith rich, because you recently
did a marathon of seven of themovies, or six core movies and

(10:38):
rogue one, a spinoff.
How do you feel that thatchanged or enhanced your viewing
of this particular movie?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
so I you know, for me , return to jenny is probably
always going to be.
There's still a part of me thatcan go back to being 12, 13,
what it was, whatever it waswhen I first saw it, not when it
came out.
Just to be clear, I'm not thatold.
Uh, it's.
I didn't see it till I was alittle bit older you went to
opening night yeah, I went toopening night like one year
before I was born or somethinglike that.

(11:05):
No, but I, you know, I alwaysloved it because I mean you know
the jedi win right.
I mean in the end, you know,luke proves that he is right
about his father.
You got ewoks.
Look I I know some peopleagainst them.
I love them.
I do have a couple of commentsabout ewoks.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Overall, yeah, I was gonna talk about those too, yeah
but yeah, I had a, I had acouple things I I wanted to
throw in there too.
So let's, let's all uh get ouryou know ewok comments out of
the way.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
After rich finishes this thing yeah but you know
it's just if you look at them insegments, right, if you look at
them in threes I mean leavingout obviously Rogue One and Solo
Story you know the end ofRevenge of the Sith isn't really
a fun tone, right, and I didn'taltogether have a problem with
the sequels, but it's not.

(11:54):
It wasn't the same as watchingReturn of the Jedi.
I mean that just hit different.
You know, return of the Jedi isthe one that sent me to the
store to go buy seven novelsthat day because I needed to
know what happened next and then, of course, all of that went
away and got erased.
But like return of the jedialways will be my favorite.
It's not that I don't thinkit's even the best movie.

(12:14):
If I have to go with revenge ofthe sith, truly like, I just
think that like it's amasterpiece of just the way it
works, except for the romanticscenes.
But for me return of the jedijust kind of it actually hits on
all cylinders.
It may be a 12 year old talking, but I, I absolutely love it
very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I guess, before we talk, ewoks, anthony, what?
What are your thoughts onreturn of the jedi?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
like coming back to it, it's always nice to go back
and revisit the older films.
You, the ones that started offthis whole craze that has, like,
lasted for so long, you know,and you know like for me, while
it might not be as strong as say, you know, empire Strikes Back,

(12:55):
it's tough because a lot ofseries don't knock it out of the
park with the sequel, but thisone did the sequel like
overshadows, like the rest ofthe movies, but it still did a
really good job in at leastcompleting that portion of the
story.
You know like we had somethinghad to be done with the
information that darth vader isluke skywalker's father.

(13:16):
You know that confrontation hadto happen, you know.
And han solo yeah, he, you justsaid you started off with him
being in Carbonite for a year.
So that had to be addressed.
And so, for the most part, to meI enjoyed it a lot, aside from
some of the gripes that peoplehave about this film.
That just don't bother me asmuch.
But yeah, it was nice to goback and watch Return of the

(13:39):
Jedi.
I think it's been a littlewhile since I've watched it, so
it was cool going back to it.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm in the same camp it's been a bit since I've
watched this movie.
I know last podcast I said Ihad never seen it.
This is the only one I hadn'tseen, and I clearly freaked rich
out, but I yeah, it was a trapit did.
It's not true, I've seen itplenty of times, but it is.
It is a really fun film torevisit as an adult because I do
remember the feeling of being akid and like before having to
be in public school, like I waswatching star wars literally

(14:11):
every day, if you ask my mom,like I would just sit there with
the vhs's of the originaltrilogy and I think this one was
the one I played most becauseit had all the weird aliens in
it yeah you know, it had thesalacious crumbs, it had the
jabas, it had the bib fortunas,it had that monk spider thing in
the background, the gamorreanguards, all of that and I I love

(14:31):
that and it gives me so muchjoy to come back and revisit it.
Obviously, some changes havehappened since that version of
the film.
Yeah, but this film has such areally great kitschy vibe, I
guess you know, as opposed tosome of the other ones, like
there's a lot more levity in theonscreen jokes and like the
visual cues.
That I think adds to the StarWars dynamic and definitely adds

(14:56):
to the playfulness of theprequels, which I always loved.
So yeah, it's again not myfavorite film, but it's
definitely up there with youknow, as far as memories goes
and like returning to it.
It's again not my favorite film, but it's it's definitely up
there with you know, as far asmemories goes and like returning
to it.
It feels great.
I especially love the first half, specifically like before they
leave, tattooing.
I think that whole section ofthe film is just some of my

(15:16):
favorite star wars after thatand or is it kind of loses me a
little bit.
I just get bored, you know.
But yeah, okay, let's talkabout ewoks because, you know,
speaking of endor, we have thesefurry little guys that don't
speak the common language of thegalaxy.
But yeah, what are yourthoughts on?
we'll start with rich yeah, allright first of all, I watched it

(15:39):
with.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I never watched it with closed captioning.
I I've never done that before,but because I'm showing revenge
of the sith in class, my disneyplus is just kind of it sets it
up right, so so I'm watching.
Like you know, I watched abunch of it today while I was
grading and stuff, and first Idid not.
I assumed that the ewoklanguage was ewok, like you know

(15:59):
, greek or greece, right?
I just I don't know.
I thought it just stayed, Ithought it would stay in the
same form or something, andinstead it's not.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
It's actually ewokese , which is oh yeah, I saw that
too also.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I don't know why, but nian nub, the celestin gets
just pooped on because it saysalien language.
I'm like what, disney plus, youcouldn't change it to celestin?
Like I don't understand, unlessnian nub speaking something
else, but you know you wouldthink so.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I think with nine num he actually is speaking a real
language oh, really um yeah, Ithink it's portuguese.
What language?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I know that I know, because I I feel like their
language sounds.
It kind of sounds like a reallanguage.
It really does.
Like the other ones you cantell like sound very much so
alien, but that I always thoughtthat that one sounded I was
like it sounds like you can tell, like sound very much so alien,
but that I always thought thatthat one sounded I was like it
sounds like he's speaking, like,okay, real language it's kikuyu
, which is a kenyan language, ohwow yeah so when that was

(16:56):
brought over to kenya apparentlyeveryone started dying laughing
because this character is justrandomly speaking in their
language.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's amazing I do know that if you watch, if you
listen to anakin talking to watuin attack of the clones, he
says busco, shmi, cywalker, likeit's actually a little bit of
spanish.
So I always love that partreally.
Uh, yeah, but I will try tokeep us from diverging so much
and I will just try to go backto your original question about

(17:24):
the ewoks.
One thing I don't understand isthat they seem to pick up basic
very quickly, because at onepoint han's like back door and
you're like yeah, yeah, I'm justlike what?
Like how are they they?
Can they they manage to pick itup so quickly that it's kind of
confusing and they're actuallydiabolic geniuses well, yeah,
they can ride the speeder bikeslike they are able to.

(17:45):
Like, start the speeder bike up,so no problem, get, get the
handle going and everything Ithought they're.
They're pretty savage creatediversions and everything like
then they have heart right, likethere's that one where the
walker shoots at two of them andone of the ewoks dies but the
other one doesn't know it and hegets up and he grabs his arm
like to go and his friend's deadand he like goes back, that's

(18:06):
in uh, and there's no word.
There are no words, right, butlike it's so you can understand
it yeah so yeah I know a lot ofI.
I mean, I feel like I've read orbecause I didn't really
experience it.
I I didn't have like negativeolder folk around me who were
like, oh no, here come thefreaking ewoks.
But I have heard that somedidn't have like negative older
folk around me who were like, ohno, here come the freaking
ewoks.
But I have heard that somedidn't love like the super

(18:30):
muppetization of of this movie.
But I actually my I mean as, asmy wife said before she goes,
you know, it's such a great.
Well, first she looked at, shelooked at luke skywalker when
he's going up to, when he'sgiving himself up to Vader, and
he's next to the stormtrooper.
She goes, what is he?
A midget?
And I was like, well, you know,actually in the first movie

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Leia comments that he's a littleshort for a stormtrooper and
then she's like between him andthe Ewoks.
Little people got a lot ofroles in this movie, so I
thought that was a little strong, but I I love everything about
I.
I actually think that wicket theewok is played by oh my god,
warwick davis, yeah, he is yeah,so.

(19:13):
So that's, you know he's.
He's kind of one of my favoriteactors from many other films.
So I love the ewoks, man likethey're.
They make me smile.
The baby ewoks are so cute.
They're when you know they'rein their little nests, like
getting scared the party at theend.
I love the ewoks unabashedlyawesome.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
one thing that I like noticed about the party at the
end is that they have thisreally elaborate tree fort
system in like the redwoods ofcalifornia, and they they have
fires going on everywhere.
They have interior fires thathave been hollowed out from the
trees.
I'm like, how are you notsetting up your entire camp

(19:52):
ablaze?
How do you manage?
You're bumbling fools, tripover everything.
But you're also extremelyingenious in certain ways.
The quickness that they're ableto provide in terms of, like
setting up traps for the ATSDs,it's amazing.
Like, how did the rebelscommunicate what they needed for

(20:12):
the firepower that they weregoing to receive and how did
they so quickly?
Like you said, how did theyunderstand basics so quickly?
How did they manage that insuch a short period of time?
And I guess that's a little bitof suspension of disbelief
there, but it is fun.
Yeah, I don't hate it I, I feel.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So what kind of gets me thinking is that I'm feeling
that, like I mean, it seems likethe empire has been established
there for a while there had tohave been some dust-ups with the
ewoks and the imperials.
I'm pretty sure that theimperials established themselves
as an enemy there and thatthat's why the ewoks were
especially probably distrustinglike okay, this, they kind of

(20:53):
they're like about the sameheight, maybe they're like with
them.
But you know, I guess, likewhen they show that they were
like friendly and they, theylike show that they're like
against them, then you know,that's probably why they were
able to kind of like pick upthat they wanted to fight
against them.
And you know, who knows, maybethose traps were traps that they
had set before.
Because they've had these fight, you know, maybe they've had to

(21:16):
defend themselves beforeBecause, think about it, like,
you know, like how, how has theEmpire not like eradicated these
end of you, eradicated theseEwoks?
I mean, you know that theEmpire would definitely take out
anybody that was messing withthem or could potentially mess
with them, you know, and so theyprobably have had to defend
themselves.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Especially creatures so close to where they're
building Dude exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Seriously, and so maybe that's how they knew where
some of their stuff was.
You know, like you said, thesuspension of disbelief.
You know we're coming up withour own canon.
But you know, I know I agree,like I know, that one of the
biggest like issues with ewoksis that it's just like really
cute creature and somethingthat's supposed to be like you
know this really cool sci-fi,you know opera thing, but it's

(22:06):
like dude like.
If you watch star wars, likeyou know the silliness is just
sprinkled all over the place.
You know, and I feel like ewoksreally do have a place in the
star wars universe.
I mean, dude like.
At the end of the day, somethingthat people need to like
remember is that, like the aimwas mostly kids first, and you

(22:28):
know they wanted to obviouslyincorporate stuff to make it,
all you know, awesome for adultsto watch too, and so, like they
did, they did their job.
You know, kind of like harrypotter, like dude, harry potter
was aimed for kids but capturedthe hearts of adults too.
You know they did the samething with Star Wars.
So you know the incorporation.
You know, as a kid, like youknow, you love Ewoks but I'm

(22:51):
pretty sure, like some of the,the older edgelord, you know,
geeks were like nah, man, that'sthat.
That's not Star Wars, that's.
You know that, that's forlittle kids, you know that kind
of thing, you know.
But for me it's like dude,there's a room for it everywhere
.
I had no issue with it andthere was clearly an audience
for it, because they made twoEwoks Dude exactly, and a TV

(23:12):
show.
I remember seeing those movies along time ago.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I watched the first one recently for the first time.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh, really no, I saw them as a kid A couple years ago
.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, a couple years ago yeah, a couple years ago.
They're like a fever dream tome.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
They actually are like to go to watch them and
you're like I'm probably gonnawatch it and be like, wow, this
is for the most part.
I remembered like a lot of it,you know, but yeah, yeah let's
talk a little about somethingelse.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
How are we feeling about, like, the main cast of
characters, how they've evolvedfrom who they were in the first
movie the princess, thescoundrel and, you know, the boy
with wanderlust in his eyes?
How do we feel about, you know,now we have leia's, a rebel
leader han is well, he's frozenin carbonite at the beginning of
this one and and luke is afull-blown jedi, or almost a

(24:00):
full-blown jedi.
He's not.
He's not there quite yet.
How do we feel about theirtransformation?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
anthony, I'll start with you so yeah, according to
yoda he was not ready yet he hadto face his jedi trial and his
jedi trial was facing vader wellfor leia and luke, that was
like kind of like on track, likeit seemed like they were on
track to be leaders within thisrebellion.
Han is definitely a 180 becausehan did not want anything to do

(24:25):
with that.
He wanted to get his money andhe wanted to go, but eventually
he got to the point to where hebecame a general, you know.
And similarly, lando Lando islike very much so like a Han
type character.
He's like no man like he.
You know, he had his people inCloud City and I guess you know,
with that dust up that they hadin Bespin, they, you know, he

(24:49):
got to the point where he becamea general too.
And so, yeah, you had this castof, you know, semi unlikely
individuals that made their wayup into the ranks pretty fast,
because I'm pretty sure thatthere's people in that rebellion
that probably were there fromthe beginning but were probably
just squad leaders, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Which ends Hillies.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
But yeah, I see your point.
I like that you brought uplando as well, because, yeah, he
was a very like opportunisticdude yeah and the first time
that we saw him.
You know, he was lovable, hehad a lot of charisma, but
ultimately he sold them out forthe sake of his city right,
right, and you know, yeah, hekind of went back on that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I like billy d though , man he he kills.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That role he's perfect.
I always loved lando rich.
What do you think about thecharacters and how they've grown
over the years?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
so I don't know why, but I I felt like I was
listening to leia's voice.
It sounds, it's something abouther voice sounds different in
this one.
I'm not sure if it's like she'sindignant princess at the
beginning, so she's a littlelike higher pitched, but her,
her pitch comes off a little bitdifferently during this movie.
I don't know if that's supposedto kind of indicate like a
level of maturity.

(25:58):
Just even her interaction withthe ewok at the beginning, when
she falls off the speeder bike,just kind of very calm and
soothing, which I think isactually kind of different from
the character that we saw in theother two movies.
So I think they're trying toshow a little level of like just
growth and maturity in her, asbecause she's always kind of
been a leader Right, she was asenator, you know she was kind
of active, you know under underher father Bale, but that she

(26:22):
seems a little bit more sure inthat way.
Han, you know, like you said,does the 180 Anthony in terms,
but I love that he he's in manyways like the comic relief and
some you know, as kind of beinglike the straight man, to being
like in absurd situations, and Ireally like that.
I liked his interaction withLeia, like when they're by the,

(26:44):
the doors to the compound orwhat have you, when they're
trying to break in to take theshield down and she pulls out
the gun, when he's, you know,held up from behind and he just
whispers I love you to her.
So it's just like littlemoments like that that I think I
know that in some ways, like Ithink harrison ford said that he
kind of, by that point, hereally kind of didn't, he was

(27:04):
kind of done with star wars alittle bit, but I I thought that
his performance was great and Ilove the character there, luke.
There's a seriousness to him.
That's definitely different.
I mean, it makes sense at theafter, after the end of, uh,
empire, there's a, there's adefinite like maturity level
yeah uh, that he has attainedand he's very stoic in all of
his proceedings, like yes, yeah,yeah

(27:27):
that's a good point verycontrolled, you know, like kind
of the jedi lack of emotion,right, like he's kind of coming
from a peaceful, calm place atall times.
So I I really enjoyed that.
I know this is like a littlenitpicky.
I don't love his costuming inblack, I mean, I think it's just
too.
Oh, vader wears black and theemperor wears black, so now
we've got luke wearing all black, you know, and I just I do like

(27:49):
the ditching of the robes to anextent, right, I know that
originally, I think, where theysay something like lucas didn't
want all the jedi to be in robes, like that was like obi-wan's
thing, living as a hermit, andthen they ended up putting
everyone in the robes.
So I do like that in this wayhe kind of departs from them,
but of course, you know, yearslater then does don his own

(28:11):
robes as he is a hermit himself.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So right, you know, that's a really good point.
I never really considered howhis outfit change speaks to his
Jedi hood, but he does.
He does have a hood in thebeginning.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
He does yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Up until pretty much he goes into the Rancor pit.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Well, I think, I think he's wearing black, you
know, because you know he doeshave a little bit of sith-like
qualities.
He does think in absolutes, youknow he, you know he, he does,
and he does threaten java like,hey, do this or you're gonna die
, like, oh, okay I'm like man,this is a jedi threatening, like
he's using the threat of deathon java if, like, if he doesn't

(28:52):
let them go, and so the thingthat that I like about that and
when you watch the prequels itreally like opens it up a lot.
But the fact that Luke did have, you know, a bit of a Jedi
teacher, but there's a lot thathe's also trying to figure out
on his own, so he didn't grow upwith that whole dogmatic.
Oh you know, sith would never,or Jedi would never, negotiate

(29:16):
with a threat or something likethat.
He has really no idea what a lotof the Jedi would do.
So a lot of it is, like youknow, not giving into emotion
and anger, which he does.
So in a way he kind of does tapinto the dark side a little bit
, but like he doesn't fall intoit.
So at the end of the day youcould say that he's a gray jedi

(29:37):
you could say that, yes, what I?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
what I will say, I was gonna, I was gonna joke
earlier about how he doesn'thave the sacred jedi texts.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Uh, at this point.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So, like he, doesn't have all of the knowledge of
what came before.
So technically, like right now,the actual throne room for
Palpatine is the former Jeditemple.
So, like underneath the throneroom is the ruins of that order.
So it'd be interesting seeingthat like explored one day and
seeing more of those old Jediartifacts come to life in Luke's

(30:08):
era or past that point.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
But yeah, that would be cool.
And like we never get to see acoruscant during that era.
Like what is it?
You know, what is it like?
I mean it must be crazyimperial, like so many imperials
going on, you know I do get.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
We do get a course on like viewpoint at the end of
this movie yeah, after whenthey're like celebrating the
death of the emperor I noticedfor the first time today while
while I was re-watching this.
If you look at the crowd ofpeople celebrating in coruscant,
you could see them crowdsurfing a stormtrooper dude, I

(30:46):
didn't even pay attention tothat, for I need to go back to
that yeah, it's actually reallyfunny.
Like I had to like wait, arethey actually?
And it's like very blatantlylike yeah, I don't know if it's
actually really funny.
Like I had to like wait, arethey actually?
And it's like very blatantlylike, yeah, I don't know if it's
a dead stormtrooper dude,seriously it's just a
stormtrooper, happy to be likeout of the oppression.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I mean because?
I mean because we do get stormtroopers that don't agree 100
with what's going on.
You know you, you do havedefectors and whatnot.
So who knows, maybe he's like,oh, finally yeah, he's out of a
job he's like you know what Ihated that guy anyways and he's
like crowd surfing dude.
That's wild.
I need to go back and look atthat.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, it sounds hilarious the first time I
introduced my wife jen to or itwas my girlfriend at the time
when I introduced her to theStar Wars movies.
When we got to Return of theJedi, when Luke showed up all in
black, he was very stoic, thathe it appears that he like force
chokes the two Gamorrean guardsand probably just shuts them up

(31:45):
, and I don't think it'ssupposed to be like he actually
force chokes them and likecauses them physical harm or
anything.
I think they're just freaked out.
But because it looks like heforce chokes them, it's supposed
to, you know, indicate that oh,this is, this is dark side luke
, like something happened andhe's on the dark side now, you
know and I I never picked up onthat as a kid because I was a

(32:06):
kid I'm not looking at thethemes of like color, the color
themes of of star wars at thetime, but so that's something
that never crossed my mind untilmy wife brought it up.
So it is interesting that youbring it up, rich.
And another thing you bring upthat I thought was really funny.
So, leia, you mentioned thather voice is significantly

(32:26):
different in this as opposed toher voice in the first movie,
and I think it's because shebounces between an American
accent and a British accentthroughout the movie.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
The original movie Interesting.
Yeah, you know now that I thinkback to it.
Yeah, because there's.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I don't think there's like a canon reason for it,
because obviously Alderaandoesn't speak that way, but I
think, if I remember correctly,carrie Fisher did answer the
question as she was just makingfun of tarkin in those scenes.
Oh, that's so in the sceneswith tarkin, which is a lot of
them.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know she has a british accent I should have
picked up your foul stench onceI got on board.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, all right , I uh or at least it's not
british, but like more regal yes, that's definitely more regal
she sounds princessy yeah, yeah,right, well, and I think in
that moment she was playing thatpart too, like you know.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I mean, she is a princess, but also, like under
you know, they're suspectingthat she was with the rebellion
too, which she was, but she wastrying to play it off, which you
know.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I could see that yeah, so I I just think
it's cool seeing thesecharacters.
It's now four years, like,chronologically, from the the
events of the first movie.
I guess it's still three yearsfor han because he was gone for
a year, but seeing how they haveeach grown in their own unique
ways is pretty cool.
Let's talk about the wholeJabba's Palace sequence, because

(33:58):
that's, for me, my favoritepart of the film.
I love how it starts with, youknow, first it's the two droids
showing up, you know,unknowingly offering themselves
up as gifts to Jabba in thehopes that that, you know, luke
scavacher can like make apeaceful bargain for for solo.
Well, we do that, obviouslyI'll go ahead.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
What I love is, though, that so clearly r2's in
on it, right?
yeah, seriously right and I lovethat, like I love that, even
though c3po is a robot, right,he's like the guy you can't tell
anything to.
So R2 is able to know that thisis happening.
But poor C-3PO, he's got to begoing through an emotional
rollercoaster because he's likemy master, just like the guy his

(34:44):
dad built me, right, he doesn'tknow that part, right, because
he got erased.
But you know, this guy's beenin the Skywalker family for at
least one generation and he, youknow he goes, he just gives him
up, right, and like c-3po kindof just has to deal with that.
So I I kind of love that yeah,yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I do like that too.
I like that r2's always justdown.
He doesn't care what the planis he's like.
Yeah, I'm up for it, like hejust does it r2 locks locks in.
He does.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
One thing I love about C-3PO in that scene is
there's a couple of things, butone of my favorite lines is when
, shortly after the messagestarts where Luke is explaining
I'm giving you these droids, andthen C-3PO, he has this.
He turns and looks at R2 andsays you're playing the wrong

(35:33):
message.
Turns and looks at the other,looks at r2.
It says you're playing thewrong message.
As if luke skywalker, like, hadseveral messages that could
have been related to java surelythat could be the one of course
not, but I also.
I I think it's funny that likefor a translator droid, like
that's his soul, like as aprotocolid, his entire purpose
is to translate for people he'sso terrible at like speaking

(35:58):
other languages.
Like when he speaks Hutteseit's so clipped Jabba no bata
Like he's really like strugglingto like enunciate whatever he
needs to say, but it gets acrossanyway somehow.
I love that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And the Iwakis.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
If you picture him speak Spanish, it's like hola,
como estan mi amigos.
It's like a very terribleaccent he's.
Yeah, it's like you know he's.
If you compare him to an iPhone, at least R2-D2 has numerous
uses.
Right, they have that socketeverywhere in the universe.
No, the Imperials, really,whoever their engineers are just
really need to start puttingcovers on these things.

(36:33):
But r2d2 is like a swiss armyknife.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And then you got c-3po here, who's just kind of
the one trick pony, I don't know, hey, you know r2d2, he throws
down, he fights, you know, as wesee in revenge of the sith.
No, no, but yeah, I, I agreelike.
I just feel like, even thoughr2d2 does can't, you know, he
doesn't speak all or he doesn'ttranslate he does have like more

(36:57):
uses than than c-3po.
One of the things that alwaysand this is something you see
throughout the series it's justhow.
It's just how people understandwhat these astromechs are
saying.
Like that always blew my mind,like it's literally just saying
boops, beeps and boops, butsomehow you know what this thing
is saying and it's believablethat they know what they're
saying.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, one thing that I I always like wanted to like
explore is that, like, for somereason, you know, in most
science fiction or sciencefantasy, when there's a robot or
an android or some sort ofprogrammed life form, there's a
reticence for the audience toaccept them as being a character

(37:38):
in their own right.
It's kind of off Like oh,that's the robot.
Where in Star Wars, droidsoccupy a sentient level that is
far beyond most sci-fi series.
Droids are characters untothemselves, whether it's
sentience or just likeself-awareness.
I I think it's pretty cool that, like, we don't even question

(38:01):
it.
Like, droids are who they are,like that's, that's just a
different type of life form inthis galaxy right, it's like
almost a different species, eventhough they're created exactly,
yeah kind of like k2so, youknow, like he's a droid, but he
there is that kind of like thatself-awareness, kind of like
with the c-3po.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
You know there is that display of like fear.
You know he obviously showsfear like he's going to be
destroyed, you know.
So, yeah, there is thatself-awareness what I.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Another thing I want to talk about in Jabba's palace
is that Jabba clearly knowssomething's afoot the moment the
droids show up.
He knows this is going to endup as a trap.
And then we have Leia coming inwith the Bosch helmet and she
has another one of Han Solo'sclose associates, which is

(38:51):
Chewbacca.
So now we have two droids.
The next day we have Chewbacca.
So now we have two droids.
The next day we have Chewbacca,and we know that Luke Skywalker
is coming.
So he's like I love that.
He kind of sets up a trap justwaiting for Han Solo to be
awoken in Carbonite or fromCarbonite, and he already knows
it's coming.
He knows that this is.
The entire goal is to sneak himout, and he just makes it

(39:14):
entertainment for himself, youknow like he just sets his
little throne up behind acurtain, gets all his homies
back there and is like watchthis, watch this.
We got to probably wait untillike 2 am, but just watch this.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Now you have read 2 am.
You just hear that that job alaugh.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You have to question his hiring practices, though,
you know.
So, uh, we have an openposition for gammerian guard.
All right, who's next?
Oh hi, so, uh, are yougammerian?
No, my name is lando calrissian.
Sure, we'll hire you as a guy,as a gammerian guard.
We'll give you the same exactoutfit, even though you look
nothing like like it's just,none of the other guards are, I

(39:52):
feel like almost all of them Ihadn't even thought about that
Are Gamemoreans.
And then you have good oldBilly Dee Williams.
He might as well be slinginghis Colt .45 there, and Jabba
doesn't seem to notice one ofthe other more prominent, you
know, I mean, nobody noticedthere, nobody, lando.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
He was a deep plant.
He was a deep plant man.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
It was the deep plant .
He was a deep plant man it wasthe long game.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Another thing that's really funny for me is clearly
Jabba's parties go hard, becauseregularly, whenever it's
nighttime, you'll just see abunch of sleeping individuals
and partiers just in his generalvicinity.
They just collapse right thenand there, right around his
throne.
I think that that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
What do you guys?
So I think you kind ofmentioned it before how there
are some differences here and weare in the Jabba's palace scene
.
So what are your thoughts onthe musical stylings of Snice
Noodles?
I think that's the Snice.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Noodles.
Yeah, to be to be entirelyhonest, I've seen this version
so much nowadays since 97,whenever it was released that I
don't even remember what likethe original scene looked like
in my head.
I'm sure I would recognize itimmediately if I saw it again.
But as far as size noodles goes, I love the design.

(41:08):
I know that it's probably mywife's favorite star wars
character is size noodles.
So when size noodles showed upin uh clone wars she was
ecstatic.
But yeah, I don't, I don't mindthat the other guy I forget the
other guy's name the the guythat's like the max rebo.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
No, max rebo is awesome it oh, the like flute,
the flute or clarinet player guyno, not him, the the guy who
sings like yeah, I know whoyou're talking about the jazz
singer like yeah really like.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I hate that.
I hate that animation so much.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh, he looks like the mucinex commercial yes, okay,
yes, all right, yeah, yeah, notthat, not that animation quality
of a commercial and they.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
They tried to make it like really high tech where
like he got right up close tothe camera and like like spittle
from, like his like open mouthwas kind of like flopping around
in there and it just looksterrible.
It just looks like please nonot a fan of that one.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, I think I'm used.
I think I've seen this nicenews enough that it is.
You know, I did.
I did own the vhs's that didn'thave that so but it's been such
a long time, they know.
Obviously streaming is justkind of so much easier that I've
seen that version so many timesthat, like you said, I don't
even think I can remember, likeall of you.
You know, you paid me all themoney in the world.

(42:26):
I don't think I could tell youexactly what filled that space
beforehand right but it it doesgenerally fit in and in the
piles.
And also, you know, the casualdeath of the twilight is, you
know, everyone just kind ofcarries on, they're like, oh
yeah, this is kind of whatnormally happens.
No, like I love that they cansleep in the same place where,
like at any moment, somebody canbe dropped into the rancor pit

(42:48):
and the crying the crying rancorguard is.
I mean, I don't know, it's likeit, like some of the most
absurd slash, best acting everright, like he looks so upset,
like that's my baby Rancor, likewhat did you do to it?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
What I will say it does feel like totally.
I don't know if it's unearned.
You know like that that singleperformance, because he acts his
heart out but, like everyoneelse, is just like in a kitschy
movie.
You know like, yeah, he, hejust lost the like the pet that
he's been raising his whole life.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's crazy yeah, I wonder if he
if he was friends with machete,who's also a raincoat train oh
yeah, I forgot about that bookof boba fett, that's right, I do
love the skiff scene uh by thegreat pet of skarlak.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, I think I love the see.
Like even han being like blindis kind of hilarious, right like
boba fett, where you know, andthe fact that he just
accidentally hits the jet packis like just gold exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
And the thing is, is that stuff like that happens in
star wars?
You know there is a bit of thatlike slapstick comedy, so like,
that's why, you know, with theexistence of like something like
Ewoks, it's like, why wouldsomething like that bother you?
Because it's silly, dude, starWars is silly sometimes.
So, yeah, dude, like, and inthe moment where Lando falls and

(44:21):
like gets grabbed by one of thetentacles and like he's like,
he's like trying to like shootit, and like lando's, like you
know, aren't you still like kindof like you're blind, he's like
no, no, I could see, I couldsee higher.
You know, like that wholesequence, dude it's, you know it
like there's a crazy momentthat's happening, but it's also
comical at the same time.

(44:42):
So, yeah, dude, I, I, I, just I.
I love a lot that happens inthis movie, you know, like it
may not be as strong as Empire,but like it still earns its own
right to be called a Star Warsmovie, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And we see Luke has a new lightsaber.
It's a green colored lightsaberin one of these movies.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, so he's a Sentinel pretty much.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, he's a Sentinel.
Let's jump over to hisconfrontation with his father,
vader, and them being egged onby Palpatine.
Because I think that that'ssuch a fascinating moment in
Star Wars, because it is kind oflike how you can be so easily
tricked into the seduction ofthe dark side.

(45:26):
You just let go of your angerand just like be be ruled by it.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
you know, and for a second, luke does go into that
mode where he nearly kills hisfather yeah, and then realizes
no, I'm not doing that right,like it's like the pool of the
dark side is kind of getting himthere, but he catches himself
like no, I'm not gonna take thatdeep dive.
You know, it really is, thatmoment really is a it's, it's

(45:52):
like a personal power strugglefor luke, the pull, the push and
pull of the light and the darkhappening like in him in that
moment, like you know, himwanting to save his father but
then also him wanting to protectleia, because you know he, he
makes that like he really makeslike that deep jab, like well,
if you're not gonna fall to thedark side, maybe she will, you

(46:13):
know.
So it, it, it is crazy and dude, ian, I mean like this is where
, like we, we, like we reallyget him and like he, he has
really just killed thatcharacter.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
For yeah, it's amazing that that we we have had
amy mcdermott like do that rolesince this movie.
You know, like that's what.
That was 1983.
This was probably filmed in 82,and then rise of skywalker was
2019.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
It's a long time yeah , so it's a really long time but
he, he made that character hisown, like he really did a great
job, like he is, he embodiesthat villain and like he really,
and then you know, I mean he'sdeliciously evil, he he is and
like, even like you know, whenyou go to like the prequels,
like him like playing the double, like two sides of a coin is

(47:04):
just brilliant.
So like seeing that, like youknow him like where he started
is or going back to it, it'sawesome and his roles, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Rich, what are your thoughts on that?
That whole side of the filmspecifically with Luke
confronting Vader, almost beingtempted by the dark side and,
you know, like Palpatine it'sit's amazing.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
I think it's dermid or something.
It's got a little bit of an oddspelling.
He's just fantastic.
I mean, it's also like justsome of the word choice, right
again.
One point he just he switchesto calling luke his young
apprentice.
Right, like just these littlelike manipulative things.
That it's amazing because Ithink that some of his most
amazing villainy does not comefrom the dark side.

(47:50):
It's just his ability to createsentences in a way to give
information, deliver informationin a way that slowly, like
ropes the individual into hisseduction.
Right it's he does.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
He's a good way to put it he does it with anakin.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Just, I mean, you know, I was just thinking about
how, like he asked anakin to spyon the jedi council, then the
jedi council asks anakin to spyon palpatine and you know,
anakin's like what?
How?
That's ridiculous.
But like, hey, palpatine justasked you to do the same thing,
like a little while ago, youknow, and it's just his delivery
.
And in this sequence it'sequally the same.
I mean even luke and vader,when they choose to either say

(48:29):
father, or when he says my son,and then he just switches to
luke.
You know, to get it it's almostlike the son part is a little
bit more aggressive, but thenwhen he says luke, he's kind of
trying to appeal to him as ahuman.
It's really masterful.
And what's amazing about thatwhole sequence is, you know, a
very rudimentary set right.
The battle is so far that it'sjust like this tiny little speck

(48:53):
in the window of the throneroom there, and you know, it's
just the scaffolding or whateverthat's around the walkways that
are there.
But those three, I think,really just kind of use that
space in such an amazing way andI even, I mean, gotta give them
credit.
I actually even think that theshaft that Palpatine gets thrown

(49:13):
down, you know, like man forthat time.
That's not bad.
I actually think it lookspretty good, you know, even just
for, if you're talking about itbeing remastered from back in
the early 2000s still stays.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I generally find yeah , I generally find that the
original effects that they wentwith just look so much better
than the new ones that theytried to digitally include,
maybe save for the haydenchristensen inclusion, which I I
actually that is one changethat I do enjoy.
I think it could could bebetter, but you know I enjoy

(49:47):
that they did that.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
And it kind of like makes sense, because that was
like kind of what he looked likewhen he was like aligned with
the light side of the Force.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
If I were Lucas and I were trying to put Hayden into
this, I would have originally Iwould.
I would have the original actorthat they had as a force ghost,
but like kind of flickering alittle bit into Hayden
Christensen.
Because we know that forceghosts, you know we it's in

(50:19):
later canon it's kind ofexplored that force ghosts don't
stick to one time in theirlives to portray like their age
varies greatly.
So I think that that could havebeen a cool way to introduce
like that concept of like thisis what he looked like when he
was a jedi, basically yeah I did.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You know, like that scene where vader, like you can,
you can tell like even with themask on, that he's like really
wrestling with himself whenPalpatine is hitting him with
Luke with lightning trying tokill him and that little seed
that was planted by Luke youknow of, they're still good in
you.
It's like it kind of blossomedbecause you know, when he was

(50:58):
Anakin he was really excitedabout like having children with
Padme.
So like maybe those oldfeelings kind of like came back
and he's like, you know, here'smy son in front of me.
We've, you know, like in amessed up way, they kind of
reconnected and he's like youknow he's about to die.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I can't let that happen speaking of, like you
know, him eventually taking offthe mask.
I I, I agree with you, anthony.
I think that that, like hisacting even underneath, like,
like with the mask on is isreally impressive.
You know, like being able toemote without your face.
It's not something everyone istough yeah yeah.
So one thing that like we cankind of explore nowadays because

(51:40):
you know we've had several liketv shows that exist in this
universe at this point is thesymbolism of how Luke was the
only one to ever truly take themask off of Vader.
We had Sokka fighting Vader inRebels and she slashes his mask
and like one of his eyes is, youknow, is shown to the screen.

(52:02):
It's like half his face or likea little bit less than half of
his face.
And then in the Obii-wan kenobiseries, kenobi was able to like
take the other half of the maskoff but it was never a full mask
that they were able to remove,and in both of those moments
there's there's clearly stillgood in him yeah like there's
he's, there's something fightingfrom the inside to come out.

(52:24):
But it's not until this movie,where you know luke is actually
capable of you know, just withlove.
Yeah was able to take off themask for for vader.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I think that's like just symbolically so cool he
didn't want to fight, like theamount of times that he tried to
deflect the the fight that youknow, despite everything, that
luke was showing that compassiontowards darth vader when, in a
world like when, anybody wouldwant to take vader out, he's

(52:53):
like the person that that's theclosest that would easily
probably be able to.
And he was in that moment wherehe could have ended it all and
he still decided not to do it.
And I feel like that, thatmoment where luke tosses his,
his lightsaber, like you know, Idon't, I don't think like
people realize, like howpowerful that is, like he's,

(53:15):
like I'm not, you know he couldhave easily just deactivated and
placed it, but he's like hedidn't even want to have it near
him in that moment, you know itwas almost a temptation to take
a life right he wasn't willingto, you know right, right when,
the when, that that disillusionthat you genuinely feel, when

(53:35):
you're feeling a strong emotionkind of washes away and like if
you did something in that moment.
It's that kind of like thatrealization.
I mean, anakin has that, youknow, when he cuts off Mace
Windu's hands and, like you know, palpatine kills him, he kind
of that moment's like you know,oh my God, like what have I done
?
You know, it's like Luke has,you know, that kind of like that

(53:56):
same personality in a sense,but he's able to dial it back
before it goes too far.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Let's talk a little bit about Yoda, because he's in
it briefly and it's a.
It's a fairly important scenefor the old master rich.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
How do you feel about 900 year old Yoda.
Well, first, I love the.
There's like a meme or whateverof like Yoda passing away and
it's compared to like parentingand having to listen to your
he's like.
Now I know how Yoda felt when,when your kids talking to you
for like 10 hours rambling onabout something.
You're just too tired, you justturn over and croak.
I really liked it here.
I was actually kind ofmarveling a little bit at the

(54:36):
puppetry and just kind of howgood it looks.
You know like I've beenwatching.
You know I've seen Revenge ofthe Sith four times today and
yesterday parts of it.
So I've seen a lot of Yoda, cgiYoda, and I just kind of liked
seeing.
I liked seeing Puppet Yoda.
I thought it looked reallygreat.
It also leads into the greatscene where Obi-Wan is a

(54:58):
duplicitous lying guy and Lukecalls him out on it.
I kind of love.
So the only thing that I, youknow, only so what.
So you say Han's been frozen incarbonite for a year, so
slightly before that is when youknow Yoda last saw Luke and
kind of just talking about howhis training is complete and I'm

(55:18):
just like wait what?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It clearly wasn't complete last time he left.
Yeah, it's only been a year,Like what?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
happened.
He hasn't seen you, you know,obviously we don't know how much
.
I mean even vader, later in themovie, he's like obi-wan has
trained you.
Well, it's like, well, actuallyobi-wan hung out with luke for
a little bit and then I just Idon't.
I understand some of the othercontrol aspects of the force
that maybe, even through being aforce ghost, obi-wan could have
, you know, shared with luke toimprove his skills.

(55:46):
But like, did they do swordplay too?
Like, did he, like, as a ghost,be like?
One point you know, like Idon't.
That's the one thing that Idon't.
How did luke increase his swordplay being the only like, does
he have any boys who also havelightsabers?
I mean, it's just, you know, Idon't know if I needed more of a
passage of time.
Obviously all of thesequestions are answered in some
sort of you know, comic or novel.

(56:06):
That you know.
I don't know if I needed moreof a passage of time.
Obviously all of thesequestions are answered in some
sort of you know comic or novel.
That you know that that's outthere.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
They have that's.
That's a great thing about starwars that you know I've
mentioned a couple times on thispodcast is, if you don't like
something or you don't getsomething about star wars, all
you got to do is consume morestar wars people will answer it
eventually they will get to thatparticular issue.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, you know you know, the thing about the thing
about yoda is that you know,with as much like joda, yoda has
been through so much andnothing could kill him except
for old age.
It's crazy that he lasted 900years like it is insane, but he
made it that is, that is um Imean like just like when you

(56:49):
read through some of the thehigh republic stuff, like even
at that point he's hundreds ofyears old.
I'm like, oh my gosh, like thisdude is still really, really
old.
But at that point you'rethinking he's younger, but he's
still really old.
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
But I love that line that he says to Luke when I die,
the last of the Jedi will be.
I think that that's such apowerful moment for the film,
because at that point Luke istruly alone.
He's lost all the mentorfigures, even though he really
hasn't, because they just turnup as ghosts.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Right then and there.
But it is just like a powerfulmoment and you kind of have to
wonder, like, what are theygoing to do with, like the
Calcestuses of the galaxy thatare just still out there?
Oh and speaking of Calcestuses,have you guys been watching
Skeleton Crew?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yep Dude.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Calcestus is not in that, but we do have Jod, who is
clearly a former Jedi.
Anthony, are you caught up?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
No, I'm not caught up .
I need to.
I'm like a couple episodesbehind okay, so I'm not gonna.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I'm not gonna spoil anything there, but some major
stuff has happened in the pastcouple episodes with jod and
like I'm really starting toquestion like are you a good guy
or or what?
Like I have no idea with himokay.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
So I'm gonna be honest with you from the
beginning.
I have a theory that heactually may be a sith okay like
because he continually saysthat he's not a Jedi.
I mean, obviously he's a forceuser but, like you know, maybe
he's.
He was like maybe a formerinquisitor or something, like

(58:19):
you know, maybe he got got away,you know, and and I feel like a
good, like I mean, if you, ifyou were going to be a bad type
of character anyway, why not gopirate, you know?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
so yeah, well, I don't know that he was.
He could be ex-sith or like,maybe like an inquisitor or
something, or maybe just a sithapprentice that never got
anywhere yeah but he does havejedi lines that he occasionally
drops.
Like a couple episodes ago hesaid a quote from qui-gon where
he says your focus determinesyour reality.

(58:50):
Like that's very clearly a aqui-gon centric quote.
So I don't know, like I, Ireally I'm I'm so lost about
like who this guy is, because Ifeel like I think the finale is
next week.
They left us off on a hugecliffhanger.
I'm not gonna, you know, spoilthat for you, anthony.
And neither is rich right, richkeep it safe, keep it secret.
Good, well, yeah, it's, it's.

(59:11):
It's the mystery is there.
I'm excited to see what they dowith that yeah, I gotta catch
up.
But yeah, man, I is is theseason finale next week.
Hold on, let me just doublecheck that how many episodes are
out?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
six or seven, seven, all right then.
Yeah, it'll be next week.
It's eight episodes.
I think that it is a time tokind of close this out.
Do we have any last minutethings to say about return of
the jedi rich?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
it's top to bottom.
I mean, just get to see you,get to see our boy, admiral
akbar.
It's trap.
There's just, uh, you know,knee and nubs, woohoo, a
celebration when they blow up.
I just I love, I really loveall.
I love all the characters.
Chewbacca's hair looks great inthis movie.

(59:57):
Like they figured it out.
He's using some mousse orsomething.
He's got some nice height tothat hair.
It doesn't look matted, itdoesn't look frizzy.
It's like they really perfectedthe chewbacca look, I think, in
return of the jedi just startedto comb yeah, I mean, you know
you get I just the both ends ofthe pit of like like there's so

(01:00:18):
many parts of this that so manycharacters gold.
Yeah, I just I love so much ofthis and yeah, you know it may
not be.
I guess if you're taking it asa stand alone movie it's not the
best one.
But I don't know how you canwatch it and not just kind of be
happy at the end yeah, yeah,and that that final like tune

(01:00:41):
that's playing oh man, where youknow it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
It's just like heartwarming, you know, like the
.
Finally the galaxy is free ofoppression.
Using, using for now, as far aswe know as a drum.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yes, how nice is that the ewoks are like hey, let's
cannibalize these guys uhclothes, uh armor and use it as
a musical instruments to foreverremember that we defeated and
killed them yeah, no, it's, it'sfantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
But I tend to really enjoy this movie for the most
part.
I understand its flaws.
I understand that it suffersfrom like verisimilitude issues,
which is kind of like wouldthis actually happen, like in
the real world of star wars, andyou know there's certain like
things within it that are kindof like corny and whatever, so I

(01:01:25):
I can understand people'sissues there, but overall I
really enjoy it.
You know, the speeder bikechase is so cool.
Like the sound effect designwas top notch, especially in
that.
Let's see.
Yeah, there's so much in thismovie that I really enjoy, like
certain team ups, like gettingLando in the Falcon.
I love that, just there's.
There's a lot to love aboutthis movie and there's a lot to

(01:01:47):
be critical of, but I'd rathernot be overly critical.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
No, I agree, I think that this is a really good like
close out for that originaltrilogy.
I feel like they, you know,like you said, you know it's not
a perfect film but I mean, noneof the Star Wars films are
really like inherently perfect,but they are charming in their
own right and you know that'swhat this movie is.

(01:02:11):
It's, it's got its, its charm.
It's also has its fun zaninessto it and it is a fun watch and
it's very much so.
It's not one of those one,those movies that leaves you off
with a cliffhanger.
You know some.
You know there's some likemovies that kind of off with a
cliffhanger.
You know some.
You know there's some likemovies that kind of leave you
with like more questions by theend, you know, and like this one

(01:02:33):
kind of it's like okay, youknow this has happened, the
empire is defeated, you know thegalaxy is, you know it's, it's
in peace.
You know they could have endedit out at that point and it and
we would have been none thewiser.
They didn't have to add anymore of the films, maybe the
prequels, but other than that,like they could have that, that
could have been it, you know,and so, yeah, no, I, I enjoyed

(01:02:54):
it yeah, I, what I, what Ialways think about this movie is
that it broke the third filmcurse where a lot of times third
film trilogies are the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
You know, you think of the matrix trilogy, the, the
Mummy trilogy, jaws, superman.
There's a bunch of third moviesout there that are just
absolute trash compared to theother ones in the series, and
I'm just scratching the surfacethere.
But with Star Wars and thenlater Indiana Jones, they really
cracked the code with thoseparticular movies in ways that

(01:03:24):
just heighten the adventure andthe joy of the viewer fan base.
So I'm really happy about that.
Guys, should we stick in thestar wars realm for our next
episode?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
all right, captain what did you want to do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
did you want to split skeleton crew up into two parts
?
Because I think the finale isnext week, so it's it's prime
time yeah, we could do that yeahyeah, go, go from old to a new
star Wars thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
That'd be cool.
I ain't ever heard of noskeleton crew.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
I ain't never heard of no at-at-in.
I love that.
I love this show so much.
All right guys.
Thank you so much for listeningto us here for episode 106 of
Project Geekology.
It was really fun talking aboutReturn of the Jedi.
Next week we're going to becovering the first four episodes
of Skeleton Cruise, season 1.
We're extremely excited tofinally dig deep into that.

(01:04:11):
We've been kind of discussingit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
In circles.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
In circles since the past couple weeks, but now we're
actually going to a night tothe roundtable, sort of like we
need to talk about this.
So yeah, episode 107.
Listen to us here wherever youlisten to your podcast.
If you would like to check outany of our socials, be sure to
click into the show notes downbelow, and we're gonna need one
of those five-star reviews,specifically anthony.

(01:04:37):
What do we, what do we alwayssay?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
we need that juicy.
Five-star man, you know thatfresh filet.
Imagine that, that sizzle.
You know, as dakota said acouple episodes ago, you know,
like at chili's, you know you'rehearing that sizzle and you
know it's got to be that juicyit's got to be that, juicy guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
All right, we'll talk to you next week.
Guys have a good one bye y'allmay the force be with you the
wolverine.

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