December 23, 2025 • 51 mins
Stake, silver, and a whole lot of spectacle; this week we dive headfirst into Van Helsing (2004), the loud, lavish monster mash that tried to launch a new Universal era and left us with glorious chaos. We unpack why this movie still feels like a relic from a braver time in blockbuster filmmaking: a place where studios gambled on pulpy ideas, action never took a breath, and Dracula could fund Frankenstein’s science to bring his bat-babies to life without irony getting in the way.
We talk through the craft that often gets overlooked: the striking black-and-white prologue, clever camera choreography, map paintings that nod to classic Hollywood, and creature work that swings from impressive werewolf transformations to delightfully rubbery CGI. Hugh Jackman and Kate Beckinsale anchor the adventure while the supporting cast leans hard into operatic camp, especially a Dracula who turns melodrama into a contact sport. At the center of the noise sits Frankenstein’s monster, rendered as both eloquent and thunder-forged, the closest thing the film has to a soul.
From there, we zoom out. Universal’s long quest to revive its monster pantheon, theme park crossovers, and why Van Helsing tried to do in one film what today’s studios stretch across phases. We compare it to Underworld, Reign of Fire, and Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves, drawing a line between bold swings that win hearts and calculated “universes” that lose them. Along the way, expect laughs about Faramir in a bumbling turn, Jekyll and Hyde’s Andre the Giant homage, and a final set piece that’s equal parts juicy and joyous.
If you crave throwback adventure with teeth, this one’s a wild ride worth revisiting. Hit play, then tell us: camp classic or beautiful mess? Subscribe, share with a fellow monster fan, and drop a review to keep the geeky goodness flowing.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Vampires, werewolves, Dwergi.
Oh my.
Guys, we're covering Van Helsing2004 with Huge Jacked Man.
And uh guys, thank you so muchfor tuning in to uh episode 145
of Project Geek Ecology.
I am one third of your host.
My name is Dakota, and I amjoined as always with Anthony.
SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
And what are you talking about, Dakota?
I didn't what I watched, it itdidn't have Hugh Jackman in it.
It had some like woman in fiveseasons.
What are you talking about?
I think it came out in like2015.
But yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
Yeah, you definitely watched the Ron Van Helsing and
you watched five seasons of thewrong.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
Five seasons of it.
But yes, I am Anthony andjoining us as always is.
SPEAKER_02 (00:47):
Rich, very excited to talk about the Conquer's Bad
Fur Day level based on ValHelsing, because that's all I uh
that's all I did.
So Anthony did the show.
You did some movie with I'mpretty sure that Hugh Jackman
has only played one role in hisentire life, and that is Logan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
The greatest showman.
SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
Ridiculous.
But uh I am uh I am actuallyexcited to talk about Van
Helsing tonight with you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Yeah, uh this is a fun one because I haven't seen
it since right around the timethat it came out.
I remember really liking it.
You know, I I remember havingthe DVD.
I remember like going and justhoping that this would
eventually get a sequel.
It did eventually get a uhanimated prequel, apparently.
I found that out after this, butyeah.
This was supposed to launch afranchise, as so many films are,
(01:38):
but this was uh I guess theintent from Universal after
looking this up was they wantedto do the mummy, but with other
monsters.
And it does have mummy vibes.
Um I I would say pretty strongmummy vibes, actually, in terms
of like the action and theenergy that they were putting
onto onto the screen.
But yeah, unfortunately, didn'tdo all that well at the box
(02:00):
office, which kills everything.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
I won't lie, it was kind of facetious, but not.
I did not see this movie when itcame out.
This would have been right afterI mean the the X-Men movies came
out, what, 99?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
The first one came out in 99, um, and I think the
second one was 2002, somethinglike that.
Okay, so yeah, this Oh no no.
I believe it was 2000 that thefirst X-Men came out.
SPEAKER_02 (02:23):
Okay.
2000.
Yeah, that sounds right.
So this is four years after I uhwould not like I often I had
never seen Hugh Jackman inanything before I saw him in
X-Men, and uh other than hisheight, which I don't want to
harp on too long.
Wolverine was 5'4 in the comics,5'3.
I idolized him as a small child,and when I say small, I mean
(02:46):
literally small.
So watching this six-foot man uhget the role is like uh hey,
you're you're missing out.
He's supposed to be short, but Iaccepted him.
You're telling me you didn't seehim in Oklahoma?
No, listen to me.
I refuse I know of a moviecalled Kate Leopold, where he's
some sort of time travelingromantic who sends letters and I
(03:07):
don't understand it, but I sawthe commercial and I said, no,
I'm not gonna see Hugh Jackman.
So you guys did something thatnobody has ever made me do.
And I was tricked because I inmy head I saw it as Vigo
Mortensen because of his thelong hair.
So I thought I was like,alright, I I guess I can deal
(03:28):
with watching Aragorn.
I don't know, I guess, but itwas far less offensive and of an
idea.
And then I put when I see HughJackman walk into that frame, I
paused it and I I immediatelytexted them and I said, guys,
you guys didn't tell me that thelead is suspiciously like
Wolveria or something, and theirresponses were like, no, uh,
(03:50):
Kate Beckinsdale.
Um I don't know what you'retalking about.
Kate Beckendale, yeah, she's thevampire girl, and they're
trolling me, guys.
They're trolling me.
I think this is a trap.
So I'm calling them both of youfess up now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
Okay.
It wasn't intended as a trap.
I didn't I genuinely didn'trealize you had such a phobia to
watching movies with actors thatyou are very familiar or like
very tired.
I mean, you have said it manytimes on the show, but I didn't
realize it was such a phobiathat you just absolutely didn't
do it.
But I'm happy that uh I pushedyou out of your circle a little
(04:24):
bit.
So it wasn't my intention.
I just, you know, we weretalking about monsters last
week, specificallyFrankenstein's monster, and I
was just like, you know what?
Frankenstein's in this one too.
And it's kind of like they werethey were talking about it on
the internet like last week orsomething.
Like there was a joke about themirror scene where like she's in
the ballroom and there's nobodyaround her, and someone joked
(04:44):
online basically saying, like,nobody's sure if this was like a
technical mishap that they justforgot to put all those people
into the mirror, or if this wasintentional, and it just kind of
spurred some like stupidconversation because obviously
it's intentional, but it'sfunnier that it would be a
technical mishap.
Um, so I was I was like, I hadit on my mind, and I was just
(05:06):
like, let's just do it, let'sroll.
Anthony, you've seen Van Helsingbefore.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Yes, I think that they were definitely like trying
to go like full swing intocreating something because I
remember visiting you inCalifornia one year, and we went
to Universal, and they had likethis Van Helsing, like kind of
walkthrough like Dracula'scastle thing.
(05:32):
And mind you, like this was likethe year after the movie came
out, so they were still tryingto do stuff with it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean they clearly put a lot of eggs in
this basket.
And to be fair, Universal's beentrying to re-up their monster
franchise for decades now.
You know, they tried to do thedark universe, that was a fail.
They I think there was anotherthere was a couple movies.
There was the Invisible Man,there was a Wolfman movie, there
(05:59):
was a Mummy movie, but they'reall disconnected and they're
trying to recapture that magicof you know the early universal
monster stuff.
And they haven't really done it,or at least not to any box
office of plum, but they havetried to do different things,
and that's why I'm so excitedabout what they're doing in Epic
Universe, because they're kindof just molding all of those
(06:21):
stories into one mythology alittle bit.
Yeah.
And did this movie give you anyvibes as to what you saw in Epic
Universe and the the the darkuniverse?
SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
It it did give me like that vibe because there's
that one ride where they havelike the kind of like monsters
unleashed where there's like youknow, the mix of they had
Frankenstein, there was the wolfman, there was Dracula, they had
the creature from the BlackLagoon, which isn't like they're
always trying to makeFrankenstein, they're always
(06:56):
trying to do Dracula, theyalways try to do the Mummy, and
even like the Wolfman, butthey've never done anything with
the creature from the BlackLagoon in a long time.
Maybe this is time to like maybetry to it's like okay, let's do
something different, let's bringthis guy back.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
And I mean he's also kind of like a tragic creature
because he's just trying toprotect his home, really.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
He's just a creature from yeah, from a lagoon.
SPEAKER_01 (07:22):
He's just he's just trying to protect his home,
really.
That's what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
Yeah.
They should do an Icelandversion where it's like creature
from the blue lagoon.
Um no.
What?
SPEAKER_02 (07:40):
Like just a Nordic, uh, an attractive Nordic woman
with blonde hair.
Like, oh no, she's so scary.
Oh no.
Please don't.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Yeah, well, it would be like it would be elves or
like the Holtefolk in uhIcelandic lore.
So you don't want to do that.
Yes, you don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:55):
Wait, did you did you also go to that that weird
uh experience in Iceland wherewith like the trolls telling the
story of Iceland?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (08:03):
No, I didn't do that.
There's a lot of stuff to do inIceland, but that is not one of
the things I did.
Yeah, they but we're sorry aboutthat.
Sorry about that.
Let's let's uh let's reel itback in.
Before we uh jump full steamahead into the Van Helsing side
of things, what have we been upto this past week?
I'll start with me.
How about that?
I never started a littleselfish.
SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
Can't believe it.
First time in 145 episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
A little selfish, yeah.
What did I do this week?
Oh, so I finished season one ofStranger Things.
I did my timeline notes onseason one of Stranger Things.
That was kind of fun.
It's actually pretty strong,like timeline-wise, in terms of
the first season, because it'sday by day by day by day, and it
keeps the consistency of likethis is Tuesday, now this is
(08:53):
Thursday, now this is Saturday,whatever.
And I was really surprised by itbecause most series they kind of
start like that, you know.
School starts on a Monday, thisis the Saturday.
But as time goes on, it justbecomes a jumble of like m
whatever day the writers thinkof.
And I was really surprised.
I have a very, very strongtimeline consistency within the
(09:15):
first season.
So I'm excited to see how thatcontinues.
Because I believe every firstepisode of every season begins
with a date, or at least most ofthem do.
So I'm hoping to see if I canmap out that entire timeline
pretty accurately, and we'll seewhere that goes.
But uh otherwise, I I alsostarted listening to the second
(09:35):
full cast audiobook for theHarry Potter franchise, Chamber
of Secrets, came out yesterdayas of recording this.
And yeah, I'm really enjoyingit.
It the production quality isjust like off the charts.
But you know, I'm I'm like usedto it now because I have already
listened to the Sorcerer's Stoneone.
So I'm not surprised by it asmuch as I was the first one.
(09:58):
Like the first one, I was justlike, wow, I can't believe they
did this.
I cannot believe they managesuch a feat for an audiobook.
But yeah, no, it's it's stillit's still just as good.
And yeah, I'm enjoying it.
So that's about it for me.
Tomorrow's a big day for me.
I see uh the new Avatar movie.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Oh man, I can't wait to see Aang, man.
It's gonna be so good.
And Appa's back.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Aang, Jake Sully, Katara.
There's some new characters,Varang.
Um, yeah, we we uh we're goingbig this time.
We're going big.
And then we're gonna go home.
What else?
Uh that's that's pretty much it.
Yeah, I I didn't do all thatmuch.
Been watching some Office, andyeah.
I'm going to send it over toAnthony.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
I haven't been doing anything too much except for
just been continuing my Red DeadRedemption playthrough.
And I mean like this is like thefirst one, not the second one,
Rich.
Not not your favorite one, butI've been playing the uh well
not the OG Red Dead, but the OGRed Dead Redemption.
(11:06):
But yeah, no, I've been havingfun with that.
And actually, as of recording,Fallout Season 2 dropped today.
So I'm actually pretty stokedabout that because New Vegas is
one of my favorites, and it'sthe one that's not made by
Bethesda.
Made by Obsidian.
(11:26):
That's right.
So which they also made thesecond Knights of the Republic.
SPEAKER_00 (11:32):
Sorry, is this season uh about New Vegas?
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
Um Vegas.
At least that's what it wasshowing in the in the trailers.
Yeah.
Yeah, man, they're trying topull in all the New Vegas folk.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
Rich, have you already watched Of course.
SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
I uh is it New Vegas?
I'm a degenerate.
Uh yeah, we haven't, you know.
First episode is the firstepisode.
I don't want to spoil anythingfor anybody, but it definitely
did the whole season release orjust the first episode?
Just the first episode.
I think they're doing oneepisode every week, which I'm uh
stoked about.
Rich would have watched thewhole show today.
I mean, I would have, but youknow what?
SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
I was actually gonna say, like, it's gonna be hard
for me because I'm gonna bewatching Avatar pretty much
every day, but I could probablybang out a whole season of
Fallout for next week.
But I guess that's not gonnahappen because we don't have
full access to that.
But it was good, it was a goodepisode.
SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
I enjoyed it.
Um, you know, I I I really likethe casting.
I think they did a good job withum names Mr.
House.
Very much looks like the guyfrom the game if you know who he
is.
If you don't, I didn't spoilanything, because it's not
really complicated.
But it's I just love it.
I just I can't, it's just I lovebeing back there, man.
(12:44):
It's just I love I love thatworld.
I love the idea of us kind offreezing in the 1950s.
When I go to a wedding, the onlytime that you see me on the
dance floor is when that 50sMega Mix comes on, and they're
asking you to twist, and uh I'mup there twisting, baby.
I love that stuff.
So I love the music.
There, I mean they're using thesongs from the game.
(13:06):
It's I'm getting hit withnostalgia feels that I don't
even know, like I forgot.
Like, I didn't like I have remdon't remember that I remember
that song, and then it startedthe just the first chords play,
and I'm like, oh, like thisblanket is wrapped around me.
I love the show.
I don't think there's anythingthey do wrong in season one, and
I'm so excited for season two.
(13:27):
So expect gentle view gentlelisteners that at some point we
will cover this, and I will havewatched it 17 times over, and I
will annoy both Dakota andAnthony.
And wait, Antoine, uh by I holdup.
(13:50):
Has your name always beenAntoine?
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
At least for today it has been.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
You guys crap you guys do something every week
that throws me off, but uhsorry.
It's just in our nature.
We're just editing.
Sorry, Anthony.
I hijacked you.
Yeah, go ahead.
Uh Anthony, uh anything elsethat you've been up to?
I know you said you were excitedabout Fallout season two, but
what else?
SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
Yeah, man, I'm pretty stoked.
Probably I mean, there's apossibility at some point, maybe
this weekend, uh I'll see uhAvatar.
I'm not gonna be on the Dakotatrain and watch it six times
between tomorrow and Wednesday,but at least once I might see
it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
So I I don't think I can watch it six times in that
time period, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Yeah, we'll see.
Dakota there's enough timebetween Yeah, you could get an
early showing and then a lateshowing.
You might tap into your innerrich, you know, and watch all
six showings in one day.
SPEAKER_00 (14:49):
There are some some things that I am uh degenerate
for, and this might be one ofthose things.
SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
This is definitely one of those shows.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
This guy is going to the worst borough in New York
just to catch another viewing.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
But yeah, we'll we'll pass it over to Rich
though.
SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
Yeah, go ahead, buddy.
Just to be clear, listeners,Dakota's going to the I don't
care if I alienate a wholeborough.
Alright, like this guy is goingto Staten Island just to go see
another viewing of it, which isjust crazy.
It's an island, you gotta liketake a boat there.
It's ridiculous.
Uh you could do it.
You could blame that on hisbrother.
(15:23):
Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonnakeep it on Dakota.
That's dedication.
I mean, like nobody wants to goto Staten Island.
I'm just uh it's it's crazy.
That's fair, fair criticism.
But uh let's see, I I just Ithought I finished Mario
Odyssey.
I just defeated Bowser and I Iguess it's like uh uh like a
post-game world where there'slike stuff to do.
(15:45):
You end up which is really cool.
Like you finish it and then yousuddenly end up like in the
Mario 64 castle area, and thenyou show up and the toads are
like She came home and now wecan't find her.
Hey Rich, who whose Odyssey didyou complete?
Odysseus.
Luigi's brother.
Uh so it's uh I've I reallythere's more for me to do in
(16:09):
that game.
But um there's so much that Ilove about it.
I love being rewarded for likejumping at walls and just hoping
that I like go through itbecause there's a secret area in
the back and I get another staror whatever.
I I've really had a great timewith that game.
Other exciting news about gamingis that I gotta be quiet about
(16:32):
this.
Guys, there's currently a metaquest 3 in my house.
I can't touch it.
It's technically belonging to myson, but let's be honest here.
I'm gonna be playing that thing.
So in a couple weeks, we'regonna get a report.
Probably right.
I mean, I'm just gonna walk youknow, open the gift, put the kid
to bed, watch Stranger Things onChristmas Day or Christmas
(16:55):
night, and then I'm gonna metaquest it up, baby.
So uh I'm very Yeah, it's onlywhat, a week away?
SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
Yeah, good.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Yeah, I'm very excited, guys.
Uh yeah.
My wife let me choose, and I uhI would never have bought this
for myself, but man, I I amexcited, and that's a good thing
because the Mets have broken myheart and decided not to sign
any of my favorite players, andI don't know why I'm paying
$6,000 to go see them 81 timesnext year.
(17:21):
But with all that out of theway, uh why don't we move on to
talk about uh you know one of myfavorite actors in the world?
SPEAKER_00 (17:29):
The rich lore is uh is always top of my
entertainment for the week.
Sorry, we did you say you wantedto go talk about the movie?
Yeah, let's let's jump in.
Let's do it.
So yeah.
They made this movie in aboutaround the year 2004.
They used characters that haveexisted in various multimedia
(17:51):
franchises and media outlets,you know, Dracula, Frankenstein,
they were both created uh bynovels or in novels.
You have characters that wereintroduced in films, Igor, the
werewolf or wolfman.
You have new things in thismovie, you have Dwergeies that
never appear in anything else,which are just like little
(18:12):
minions of Dracula.
You have Dracula's offspring,which are just like little bat
baby things that are terrifying,and like I don't even know why
he would want to bring thoseinto the world.
Like, how many do you reallyneed, sir?
You have Dr.
Jackal and Mr.
Hyde.
I didn't even realize when I wasa kid that it was modeled after
Andre the Giant, but hey, it wasmodeled after Andre the Giant
(18:34):
very clearly.
I'm just I'm rambling right now,but you know, this this movie
shouldn't exist.
It's such a crazy ensemble ofideas that they meshed into this
action movie.
And I think they kind of burnedthemselves out a little bit.
If they were trying to build afranchise with this, you know,
huge jacked man playing VanHelsing, he kinda he met all the
(18:56):
monsters, he met all the goodones anyway, in the first movie.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Yeah, I was gonna say they built the whole like
universe in one movie, you know,and this movie Logan Van
Helsing.
That's what we're gonna callhim.
Logan Van Helsing.
It's not Gabriel.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Gabriel Van Helsing.
Yeah.
Did uh did we like the movie?
So the the movie uh before I youknow send it over to you guys,
was um I think ahead of its timein certain ways.
You know, like it didn't receivegreat reviews and it didn't
receive a great box officerapport.
(19:34):
But I think people didn't knowhow good they had it in the
early 2000s when it came toadventure movies because this
was crazy.
This was really good.
Uh the choreography in terms oflike the camera choreography,
the framing of certain shots,the black and white stuff in the
beginning, dude, it was it wasso beautiful.
It was like it was so gorgeousto look at almost all the time.
(19:57):
And yeah, so a couple of Actorsplayed it over the top.
Dracula was really ham-fisted,and Frankenstein really screamed
all the time.
But it was fun.
It's supposed to be camp.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
They also, you know, they they had two actors that
were really like at the top oftheir game, too, you know.
Hugh Jackman, household namebecause of the X-Men movies, and
then you had Kate Beckinsale,which was like, you know,
blowing it up with theUnderworld Underworld's movie.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Did did Underworld already come out at that time?
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
The first one, yeah, it was in 03.
Okay, so yeah, she was very thatUnderworld was like it was like
the female version of Blade,except I I don't think she could
go outside during the day.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Yeah, she wasn't a daywalker, but But she fought
vampires.
I do remember really liking thatfirst movie.
I think the first two werereally good.
And then it just became like toomuch.
But the first one was such acool concept.
It was almost like The Matrixmeets a secret war between
vampires and werewolves.
It was the coolest thing ever.
(21:11):
There was a bunch of cool moviesaround that time.
There was a movie called um Ithink it was Rain of Fire, where
it was like uh apost-apocalyptic movie where
like dragons had like taken overthe world or something like
that.
Sean Connery or something?
Isn't he in it?
No, I don't think Sean Connery.
Maybe he's uh I don't rememberif he's in it.
SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Heath Ledger?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
I feel like hey Hold on, I gotta look that up now.
But there was a bunch of moviesin that time frame.
So that was this was 2002.
It was uh Matthew McConaugheyand Christian Bale.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
Yep, no, completely wrong.
And Gerard Brahman.
Sorry about that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Yeah, it was a dragon movie.
It was really cool.
Yeah, it was just a fun time foryou know one-off movies.
Maybe Underworld wasn't one-off.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it was just like Hollywoodwas trying cool things, and
there wasn't this overloominggotta be like the MCU thing that
everyone has tried to do prettymuch since 2012.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yeah.
And I I think that's why peopleI know that streaming doesn't
help out with that, but youknow, uh with the lack of taking
the chance or taking a risk,like nobody really wants to go
go to the movies and watch likea a copy and paste of something
else, you know.
(22:21):
Somebody people have shown thatthey will come to the movies for
things that matter, like, youknow, obviously, you know, a
good MCU movie or like theAvatar movies.
I mean, that you know thismovie's gonna make gangbusters
on uh like Buku money just forexisting.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yeah.
I think uh I love that gif orit's like a it's like a video of
uh James Cameron like smoking ahundred dollar bill or something
like that.
It's just like he he's rollingin it right now.
Three of the top five grossingmovies of all time are directed
by James Cameron.
(22:59):
So his his track record is justlike bar none.
There's nobody nobody on thatlevel, but yeah, I wish there
were more movies like thisnowadays that did well, you
know.
Like uh recently uh we coveredDungeons and Dragons Honor Among
Thieves, and it has this vibe,you know, they gave something a
chance, they had fun with it,there's a clear adventure story
(23:22):
there, potential for you knowfranchise development, but you
just need the audience, youknow, and yeah, I think that
that's where this fell.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
And um I think the sad thing about it was that like
if like more people hadunderstood a little bit more
about Dungeons and Dragons, theywould have enjoyed it a lot more
because it really gave you thatcampaign vibe.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
I almost wonder if Honor Among Thieves was held
back by the Dungeons andDragons.
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
I think it was.
I a thousand percent because youknow I've mentioned I think I
mentioned on that episode thatlike I've steered clear of
Dungeons and Dragons my entirelife because I know how I am and
I get into things uh just alittle bit.
It's a little bit of the littlebit of spice I bring to my life,
(24:11):
but uh if I I feel like I wouldjust go too far.
So I didn't watch that moviebecause I had no interest.
I was like, oh, Dungeons andDragons, I don't care.
But uh, as Anthony has quoted meand saying, that was a
rip-roaring good time.
I loved that movie, it was somuch fun, and I would have never
seen it had I not been forcedto, and the reason I stayed away
(24:32):
from it was because it wasDungeons and Dragons.
If it was just called HonorAmong Thieves, I would have been
like, Oh, Chris Pike, let's go!You know, like I uh what's her
name, Jennifer?
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
And then later, you know, like you you'd probably
read up, oh, it's based onDungeons and Dragons, like this
world, whatever.
Now, you were also forced towatch a movie with Huge Jacked
Man called Van Helsing.
You haven't really given youropinion on the movie yet, and I
think I would really like tohear that.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Okay.
So I was angry.
I think that I kind of so Inoticed this Hugh Jackman, and
I'm like, oh boy, it's black andwhite.
I'm like, is this whole darnmovie in black and white?
Which I'm sorry, I hope I don'tdisappoint anyone out there.
I you know, other than um what'sthat comic movie that like
everybody was in?
(25:17):
Mickey Rourke and uh Sin City.
Other than Sin City, I I rarelywatch like black and white
movies, so that was a little bitbut despite it all, I ended up
liking it because it okay, solike I really disliked the van
uh Dracula.
I thought he was way too overthe top, but then like he gets
(25:39):
so over the top that I startedto enjoy it.
I'm like, alright, Bug.
Alright, let's go.
You want to double down more?
Let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
And like it's it's yeah, he keeps he keeps upping
the antsy of just like, howcrazy can I be?
SPEAKER_02 (25:54):
You know, and like, you know, like I want life and
and then it gets so ridiculous.
Like and Frankenstein is like awrestler from the 1980s, you
know, where it's like you'reyou're how do you feel about
your mom dying?
Like, well, you know, I feel I'mvery upset about this, and uh,
(26:14):
it's not great.
And it's just everything isyelling for like uh no matter
what.
And that was kind of absurd.
The bats thing was weird.
I did get a lot of mummy vibesfrom the uh like the melting of
like the the vampire brides.
I did like the weird Mormonovertones where like he has
multiple brides, and thenthey're like, Why do we need
(26:37):
another bride?
You know, they get all likehopped up about it and stuff.
So that that was kind of crazy.
It's really like as it's alonger movie, right?
It's like two and a half hours.
I think it's only like two hoursten.
Alright, two hours ten, sorry.
It's almost like for the first30 minutes, I was like, nah,
man, I'm not gonna like this.
This dumb, I'm angry, I'mwatching a huge Jackal movie,
(26:59):
it's not Wolverine.
And then I liked it, and then Iwas super confused at the end
with Mufasa in the sky.
So it was a real roller coaster.
This was a real roller coaster.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
Yeah, no, it's so they there's a line on in the
beginning of the movie wherebasically like the whole family
is barred from heaven untilDracula is killed, which is such
a ridiculous, like nobody in mybloodline is gonna move on to
the next life until you die,sir.
That's how badly we're gonnakill you, but we're really bad
(27:33):
at killing you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:34):
Yeah, so that was I want to do a stipulation where
I'm gonna curse on my deathbed,I'm like, nobody in this family
goes to heaven until the Metswin the world series.
And then like in 21-22, mydescendants finally make it
there.
And you see me and they're alljust confused, like that was so
like the CGI in this, Anthony.
(27:55):
What do you think?
The CGI is like good, but it'salso like weird.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
It it was 2004 CGI, it looked exactly like the CGI
from that time, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
Yeah, it was definitely like on par with like
pirates and stuff.
But there I I know what you'resaying.
There were certain scenes, thewerewolf transformations looked
great, you know.
That was that was really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (28:19):
But then there were more old school Hollywood tricks
that they would employ that likethe little bats, like they were
definitely like there were CGI,but then there was like a real,
I want to say real effect, likelittle weird-looking bats like
just sitting next to people.
SPEAKER_00 (28:40):
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah, well, probably, yeah.
They used real props for certainthings.
Like I think Dracula's Castle isa map painting, which is really
jarring to see in a post-2000smovie.
And there's certain things thataren't like CGI, and it's just
overlaid faces onto clouds, youknow, like that's not CGI.
(29:00):
They just doubled footage ontoother footage.
So it's like they put a lot ofmoney into certain things and
then just like we can do thisthe old-fashioned way.
And it I I did laugh when herface just pops up into the
clouds.
It is really her face is so big,like everyone else's face is
small, and her face is so big,and her eyes her tears are so so
(29:25):
large.
Oh god, it was so funny.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
So your boy, you know, Vigio was not in the
movie, but your boy Faramir was.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
He was.
That was actually the morejarring thing for me than huge
Jacked Man.
It was uh Faramir showing up andjust being a bumbling oaf for
the most part, except when youneeded him.
SPEAKER_02 (29:48):
Well, he's a man of quality.
He's got he's a man of quality.
So, you know, you got HughJackman, and then when Faramir
gets on screen and he's likethis cowardly bumbling oaf,
which is what his father,Deathanar, uh, sees him as,
essentially.
I um I got big mad.
(30:08):
I'm not gonna lie.
I was like, How dare youbesmirch Faramir?
He's a man of quality, he's aman of Gondor.
And uh that was I mean,honestly, like kudos to the
actor.
It's crazy to me.
That's the same man.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
The role of Gondor is his.
SPEAKER_02 (30:27):
He's uh he's only a steward, but still it was it was
he also played who what else ishe in?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
He's in something more recent.
Um I think it was Iron Fist,right?
He was one of the villains inthe first season of Iron Fist.
And I think he actually did areally good job on that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
He was on the show Fringe, also.
SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
Yes, you were and Denethor was on the actor for
Denethor was on that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
Oh that oh yeah, yeah, that that's who I meant.
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Very good.
So uh yeah, so uh one thing thatI liked that I didn't
necessarily grasp when I was auh a kid watching this movie, or
a teenager whenever this cameout, was the concept of the sect
that Van Helsing worked for orworked under, being so open to
(31:17):
other walks of life.
It wasn't so it met in like theVatican, right?
It wasn't like a Catholicorganization because there were
monks in there, there werepriests in there, there were
people from pretty much allreligions and like walks of
life.
And I was really surprised tosee that.
You know, like it didn't I Iit's such a strange you never
(31:38):
really see that.
I don't know, I don't know howto describe it.
Like an organization that's soamalgast of other religions and
creeds and everything.
But you know, I guess these allare individuals who are seeking
to kill monsters.
They're almost like a witchersect, but instead of everyone
being witchers, they're justfrom all walks of life and they
(31:59):
feed Van Helsing's hatred ofmonsters.
I think that's their goal inlife is just like fuel that fire
within him.
SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
Yeah, that was I look like the is that a a con uh
an actual thing that theconfessionals had like a gate to
keep the person from going out?
Like, does that mean like ifsomebody had like a really
heinous crime that I don't wantto mention, but uh, you know,
it's terrible, and they get intothe booth and it's like oh
(32:29):
calling the constable, like Iknow this whole religion thing
we're supposed to forgive.
SPEAKER_00 (32:34):
I don't know.
I don't have an answer for you.
I'm sure that that has happenedat the I would have never gone
to confession.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Catholics.
Like I would have never gone.
I was raised Catholic.
It was bad enough that when wewent to confession, they had the
little screen, right?
But like we our church had itjust as a room.
So then you'd walk into the roomand you'd see the priest and
then sit behind the screen.
So like he saw you, like uh healready knows who you are.
(33:01):
And the idea that then like thatwas the most nerve-wracking, and
then the idea that if I walkedin and I said the wrong thing, a
gate would have come down and Iwould have been trapped inside
is.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Well, I mean, he was uh he Van Helsing knew who he
was speaking to in terms of likethis was his gateway to get into
whatever organization he neededto get into.
It wasn't like that was thefirst time, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:28):
It just yeah the fact that it even exists is uh
is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
It is a bizarre concept.
SPEAKER_02 (33:33):
Very Catholic though.
SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
Um it is, but also isn't, you know, at the same
time.
It's they're very open todifferent creeds and lifestyles
over there in the late 1800s.
What did we think of Oh, so Iwasn't joking.
The the Mr.
Hyde was modeled after Andre theGiant.
(33:54):
That was like intentional.
Really?
Yeah, no, because I was justlike, this guy looks like Andre
the Giant, and I'm telling Jenthat.
And I look it up and and it'slike, yep, that was intentional.
That was modeled after Frenchactor Andre the Giant.
SPEAKER_02 (34:11):
Andre, yeah, Andre Rousemov.
That's crazy.
So I I won't lie, I mean, Ithought it I kind of saw it, but
uh I watch too much wrestlingand I try not to like let it
infect every single thing that Iyou know, I but I love I love
Andre.
I mean that's a really cool uh Idon't know.
Uh the portrayal in this one, Idon't know if you guys have ever
seen League of ExtraordinaryGentlemen, uh, which I uh hate
(34:34):
and love at the same time.
I liked the Dr.
Jekyll Mr.
Hyde there.
Am I am I often saying that wemet Mr.
Hyde but we didn't really seeDr.
Jekyll?
Or was it just so quick becausethey cramming everything in?
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
They show Mr.
Hyde when he's falling off theNotre Dame, he turns into Dr.
Jekyll and dies as basicallyBruce Banner instead of the
Hyde.
Okay.
Yeah.
So again, they kill off a prettypretty significant, you know,
literary monster right off thegate.
Then they introduce or they theyintroduce Frankenstein
(35:11):
previously, the docFrankenstein's monster.
They they fake us out, theypretend to kill him early on in
the movie.
We find out that he isn'tactually dead, and then they
kill off Dracula later on.
It's it's they kill off somepretty big monsters.
I guess uh you can have nothere's like no end to like
vampires and werewolves that youcan choose from.
(35:34):
What are they gonna I'm socurious what they would have
done with this franchise if itwould have just kept going, you
know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe they would have chosencreatures.
SPEAKER_01 (35:43):
By the end, like Anthony was Frankenstein is
alive.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Frankenstein is alive, and he most certainly
would have showed back up rightwhen the cast needed him.
SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
He would have been like somehow he would have
returned.
SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
Somehow Frankenstein returned, and he would have been
like, You forgot your reallycool weapon.
I I had it in my back pocket.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
You know, like after seeing Frankenstein from last
week and then like watching thisFrankenstein, like I'm like just
genuinely convinced thatFrankenstein's monster is just a
hero.
SPEAKER_00 (36:21):
Oh yeah.
It's a really bad adaptation ifFrankenstein's monster isn't
actually the hero.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Let's just be clear about that.
I mean, he even is in a book inthe book.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
Yeah, no, that's that's intentional.
It would be a very badadaptation if it was an actual
monster playing Frankenstein'smonster.
But what I liked about this Ialways liked this version of
Frankenstein because it kind ofmolds the classic Hollywood
bumbling oaf with the eloquenceof the Mary Shelley character.
(36:56):
So he is like over the top andhe's he's very mechanical, like
they like the Hollywood versionof him.
You know, like he he haselectricity running through his
his brain and stuff.
He's got a weird like node overhis heart that's green and bold.
It's an arc reactor, right?
SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
Um like the back of his head.
SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
What's up?
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
And on his head, too.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Yeah, and his head opens up randomly, like if he
gets hit too hard, he's kind oflike a a toy that just busts
open intentionally.
But he is also a very eloquentand kind-hearted creature,
person, thing.
And this is probably where I gotthe notion that Frankenstein
(37:39):
needed to be massive, like 300pounds, because in the movie he
is like 360 pounds, eight ornine feet tall, stuff like you
know, like that's probably whereI got the notion that
Frankenstein needed to be largerthan he was in the previous
movie that we watched last week.
What did we think of Dracula'splot?
I kind of enjoyed it in a inlike a like it made sense for
(38:03):
the movie that Dracula needed tobring life to his offspring.
Like he that was his next step.
He's been around for like 400years.
He wants to do something alittle different.
He has brides, he can't reallydo anything with them like a
progeny wise.
Now he can, because he metsomeone named Victor
(38:24):
Frankenstein who claims that hecan reanimate the dead.
Dracula is dead, his brides aredead, naturally their children
are dead and cannot be raised tolife unless someone figures out
a way to bring them to life.
So they get this Dr.
Frankenstein guy to test themand he creates Frankenstein's
monster.
(38:45):
I like that idea that Dracula isthe catalyst for Frankenstein's
monster because he wants to havea proof of concept that his
progeny can come to life.
I thought that was a really, youknow, interesting dynamic.
What did you guys did you guyslike that or was that too much
for you?
SPEAKER_01 (39:02):
I mean, like it's it's believable.
SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Within the confines of, you know, this this was
logic, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
Yeah, I mean it it works, but it's I don't think
there ever was a real threatthat Dracula's plan was gonna
come through.
Sure, okay.
You know, like you should watchsome movies in the village.
SPEAKER_00 (39:22):
Right, I don't but I'm not asking about like the
threat levels and like whetherit is it was ever gonna work.
I just I like the idea.
Or like, you know, this catalyzethe story that we received, you
know, like I didn't think theDeath Star was really gonna
destroy the rebels, but I likethe idea that the Empire, you
(39:44):
know, created this to like youknow bring balance to the
galaxy.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I yeah, yeah I I think Igot the point.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
See, I didn't believe about that, but I did
believe that in real life thatDarth Vader was The one that
brought balance to the force.
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
To his new empire.
SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
His new empire?
Yeah.
Sorry.
We're gonna cut out themiddleman, the middleman being
Palpatine.
Jen for the longest time, and Ithink she still does it.
Like, there's certain words thatlike she always gets wrong, and
like Palpatine is like one ofthose things that is hard for
her to say.
She says Palpatine.
(40:27):
Wait, really?
Like it's she adds an extra L inthere, and it's it's it's
adorable.
SPEAKER_02 (40:32):
It's it's painful, but it's you know, uh, I'm gonna
be watching I'm gonna beteaching Revenge of the Sith.
Uh when I come back from Oh,you're Macbeth.
Yes, so I'm I'm tempted to uhsee if she'll help introduce the
uh because I do a slideshow uhpresentation with the main
people.
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
I think I've corrected her enough times where
like she would when she getsinto teacher mode, she she is a
little bit more in her A game,but we'll see.
Yeah.
I know she would like kill toteach.
Oh, so here's here's a funnything.
And you Rich, you probablyalready know.
She wanted to teach Alien, likethe 1979 Alien movie in her
(41:13):
class, as part of uh an art likean AI cautionary story, because
you know there's the motherprotocol that kind of keeps the
alien alive aboard the Nostromoand all that.
She really wanted me to edit themovie in a way where it was
clean, which I could do, youknow.
I could I could edit out thecursing, I can edit out the
(41:34):
scene where like Sigourney isbasically like in the smallest
underwear uh ever put to screen.
I can cut away from stuff likethat, but she wanted me to make
it an 80-minute movie so that itshe could play it over two
classes, and I couldn't do itfrom uh, you know, like how do
you maintain the story when youcut 40 minutes out of it?
(41:57):
You know, like that reallybothered my conscience, you
know, like as a like an artenjoyer, a fan of Ridley Scott,
and you know, just like I feltlike I was desecrating film,
right?
Dude, like I I debated, I was II was like losing sleep over it.
I was like, what am I gonna cutout?
I could probably cut out thebeginning where it's like just
(42:17):
three minutes of the ship, butthat's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (42:21):
It's it's uh every year I I I teach the first unit
of the year for the seniors isthe college essay, and every
year I've got a kid, the essaymaximum word count is six fifty.
Every year I've got a kid whoshows up with like 1200 words,
and it's like the mostheart-wrenching story of their
life, and they're like, Can youhelp me get it under 650?
(42:45):
And I'm like, You want me tochoose what parts of your life
to cut out?
Like, this is double what it is,you know.
So I can't even imagine like oh,cutting out alien.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
I mean they got getting rid of the alien itself.
SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
I feel like you as a teacher would be able to read
that and be able to cut outstuff that may be like
unnecessary.
SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
You're right.
I can do that 85% of the time orsomething, but there's always
like one every year that everypart of it is so integral that
you're like, how do I do this?
Like, I'm like, you don't makeme do this.
You figure it out and then comeback to be get it down to like
nine and I can help you.
But like this is double.
(43:30):
Like I can't figure it out yet.
SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
Yeah.
650 is kind of kind of honestlyit's messed up.
SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
College boards like, hey guys, you know, what's the
one uh thing that's not on yourapplication that you really want
us to know about you?
What makes you you tell us in650?
And you're like, 650.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
Yeah, as a kid, 650 words sounds like a long, a long
thing.
I make video essays, and in asitting, I'm well past a
thousand words, and I've barelycracked the first couple minutes
of my video, you know?
Like it it that's crazy.
I don't know.
That would be hard for me to dobecause I'm not I'm not very
good at brevity.
SPEAKER_02 (44:11):
But yeah.
But uh going back to Van Helsingover here, I just uh tell me.
I don't know.
You really liked it.
I I could tell I I I ended upliking it, but I definitely
didn't like it as much as umDungeons and Dragons.
I definitely didn't like it asmuch as I'm trying to think of
the at time.
I liked Underworld a lot more.
(44:32):
Um I I yeah I personally didn'tknow like a lot of the Van
Helsing lore.
I I vaguely knew and honestly,like I I loved Conquerors Bad
for a Day Man.
It's such a great game.
And it had parody levels, andthey had like the Matrix, and
one of them was Van Helsing, soI knew vaguely oh, and I also
learned about Van Helsing fromForgetting Sarah Marshall, where
(44:55):
he writes like the whole musicalbased on Van Helsing at the end.
And uh I don't know.
Have you ever guys you guys everseen that one?
SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
No.
What?
Wait, wait, wait, say what'sgetting Sarah Marshall?
I have seen Forgetting Helsing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:08):
Yeah, and his whole musical idea is based off of Van
Helsing.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Oh, okay.
So, I mean, have you ever readthe Bram Stoker Dracula?
No.
So that is where the characterVan Helsing began.
It's the guy who's trying tobring Dracula down.
This movie makes him a muchbigger deal in terms of like
he's just a monster hunter inthis.
He's a witcher, basically.
But he's not in Bram Stoker'sbook.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
He does hunt Dracula, but yeah, isn't he like
a scientist though?
Like more scientist-y kind ofyes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:40):
He's like a professor or something.
SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Okay, alright.
So I thought, yeah, because I itit was I mean the the game lined
up with this a little bit more.
But uh, this is like the fur soI I thought after I came away
from the movie, I thought thatthis was what Van Helsing was
like, and I was like, wow, it'sweird that I haven't seen this
that it hasn't been like doneagain or in a different way, but
(46:05):
apparently it has a full fiveseasons, so I gotta dive in.
SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
Yeah, uh uh apparently there's a full five
seasons of Van Helsing from theproducers of Fargo and Hell on
Wheels.
I'm assuming that's the name ofthe other thing, Anthony Hell on
Wheels, Hell on Something.
SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Uh yeah, I think like that that uh Western show.
SPEAKER_00 (46:25):
Okay, yeah.
Anthony has a logo of VanHelsing TV series behind him,
but it's kind of cut off alittle bit.
Anyway, do we have any finalthoughts on Van Helsing?
SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
Um I think it's a it's a fun movie.
It's not going to be, you know,anything.
It's not like a top-tier Oscar,you know, nominated movie, but
it it it will be like a goodtime.
And sometimes like that's whatyou need.
You don't need some crazy moviethat you have to really pay
(46:59):
attention to every littledetail.
Sometimes you just want to enjoya spectacle on TV, and that's
what this is.
SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
And I was surprised by how muchwas happening in every scene.
There was always action.
It doesn't go two minuteswithout a werewolf breaking
into, you know, like the houseat night or vampires attacking
carriages, or any there's alwaysaction happening at any given
(47:28):
moment in this movie.
And I thought that that wasreally impressive because that's
gotta be exhausting to write,you know, like to like figure
out how to do this scene byscene by scene by scene.
Yeah.
Uh kudos to that.
But yeah, I would say it'sprobably like in my top five uh
Wolverine movies.
I sort of go.
SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
It's probably it's in my top few Underworld movies.
SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Yeah, no, I mean I think it's probably a little bit
better than Deadpool andWolverine for me, but a little
lower than the Wolverine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Richie's looking at me like I'velost.
Did you say that that you likethis better than Deadpool and
Wolverine?
Yeah, I as far as like where Iplace it among Wolverine films,
(48:11):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:12):
It's believable.
SPEAKER_03 (48:13):
I don't even know what to say.
SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
I really dislike the multiverse when it comes to
Marvel.
Um, and I think it cheapens alot of what I used to love about
Marvel.
So I enjoyed watching Deadpooland Wolverine, but I don't like
it.
I actually dislike it because ofthat.
So that's where I sit with that.
SPEAKER_02 (48:34):
Sky's drop is scorched in a hot takes an hour
into the podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (48:38):
I mean I mean, he's not lying though about the
multiverse.
Like, I mean, it was completelybotched, and this was really a
bit of like fan service to tryto save it.
SPEAKER_00 (48:50):
Yeah, I'm I'm really excited for the multiverse era
to end so that they can just dosomething else.
Because I'm not really excitedfor Avengers Doomsday.
I know a trailer leaked and it'sgonna be attached to the new
Avatar movie, so I guess that'llbe the first time I see that
trailer.
I'm tentatively excited aboutSecret Wars, because that is
(49:13):
actually a comic that I like,and I hope they do it justice,
but after Secret Wars, they kindof close the multiverse.
So I'm hoping that happens withthe movies, and that's that's
what that's what I'm lookingforward to, basically.
Not so much Doomsday.
But anyway, guys, yeah, VanHelsing in my top five Wolverine
(49:34):
films.
And uh Richard, what are yourfinal thoughts?
It's not a Wolverine film.
SPEAKER_02 (49:38):
Um it's it's not a Wolverine film.
I uh you know, look, it's uhit's a fine movie that I would
watch on a Saturday when it'sraining outside and there's no
baseball, and I'd put it on likeTBS or something, and even watch
(49:59):
it with commercials.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
You know what?
I really like that we finallyfound a movie that Rich doesn't
like.
He's trying really hard to likeit, and he's trying hard not to
hurt our feelings, but it'sokay.
It's okay.
You are allowed to not likesomething, sir.
I and I I'm actually proud ofyou for finding something that,
you know, like you're usuallynot the one of the three of us
(50:22):
that has negative opinions aboutsomething.
So this is totally cool.
Yeah, all right, fine.
You know what?
SPEAKER_02 (50:28):
If I had to go thumbs up, thumbs down, if
that's all I had, and I don'thave any middle ground, I'm
gonna go thumbs down.
SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
Alright, so one last question.
When Dracula dies and all of hisprogeny, his bat like babies,
burst open, what adjective wouldyou use?
Be You know where he's gone withthat.
SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
It's liquid-based.
I think it's liquid-based.
Um, I wouldn't say it's quitemilky robotic, right?
I it's not, it's we're nottalking about synthesis.
SPEAKER_00 (50:58):
No, no, no.
That's not a good one.
SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
I think it's something more that comes from a
tree, maybe specifically fromfruit.
I would say those were somejuicy scenes.
SPEAKER_00 (51:08):
Guys, uh, you know, I wasn't gonna go there.
I wasn't I wasn't gonna, youknow, bring up the juicy thing,
but uh Rich brought it up.
So um I'm gonna ask you kindlyif you are listening to this,
you've made it this far, youlike what you're listening to,
listen to more of uh us rambleabout random movies and TV shows
and other things.
Please be sure to give us afive-star juicy review on
(51:30):
whatever podcast application youare listening to, because that
is how we succeed, that is howwe continue to get new
listeners, and uh yeah, thatthat lets us know how you feel.
So please do that.
And thank you so much forlistening to us here for our
145th episode of ProjectGeekology.
Yeah.
To do loo.
Peace.
(51:51):
This movie does not have theWolverine.
Vampires, werewolves, Dwergi.
Oh my.
Guys, we're covering Van Helsing2004 with Huge Jacked Man.
And uh guys, thank you so muchfor tuning in to uh episode 145
of Project Geek Ecology.
I am one third of your host.
My name is Dakota, and I amjoined as always with Anthony.
SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
And what are you talking about, Dakota?
I didn't what I watched, it itdidn't have Hugh Jackman in it.
It had some like woman in fiveseasons.
What are you talking about?
I think it came out in like2015.
But yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
Yeah, you definitely watched the Ron Van Helsing and
you watched five seasons of thewrong.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
Five seasons of it.
But yes, I am Anthony andjoining us as always is.
SPEAKER_02 (00:47):
Rich, very excited to talk about the Conquer's Bad
Fur Day level based on ValHelsing, because that's all I uh
that's all I did.
So Anthony did the show.
You did some movie with I'mpretty sure that Hugh Jackman
has only played one role in hisentire life, and that is Logan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
The greatest showman.
SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
Ridiculous.
But uh I am uh I am actuallyexcited to talk about Van
Helsing tonight with you guys.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
Yeah, uh this is a fun one because I haven't seen
it since right around the timethat it came out.
I remember really liking it.
You know, I I remember havingthe DVD.
I remember like going and justhoping that this would
eventually get a sequel.
It did eventually get a uhanimated prequel, apparently.
I found that out after this, butyeah.
This was supposed to launch afranchise, as so many films are,
(01:38):
but this was uh I guess theintent from Universal after
looking this up was they wantedto do the mummy, but with other
monsters.
And it does have mummy vibes.
Um I I would say pretty strongmummy vibes, actually, in terms
of like the action and theenergy that they were putting
onto onto the screen.
But yeah, unfortunately, didn'tdo all that well at the box
(02:00):
office, which kills everything.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
I won't lie, it was kind of facetious, but not.
I did not see this movie when itcame out.
This would have been right afterI mean the the X-Men movies came
out, what, 99?
SPEAKER_00 (02:12):
The first one came out in 99, um, and I think the
second one was 2002, somethinglike that.
Okay, so yeah, this Oh no no.
I believe it was 2000 that thefirst X-Men came out.
SPEAKER_02 (02:23):
Okay.
2000.
Yeah, that sounds right.
So this is four years after I uhwould not like I often I had
never seen Hugh Jackman inanything before I saw him in
X-Men, and uh other than hisheight, which I don't want to
harp on too long.
Wolverine was 5'4 in the comics,5'3.
I idolized him as a small child,and when I say small, I mean
(02:46):
literally small.
So watching this six-foot man uhget the role is like uh hey,
you're you're missing out.
He's supposed to be short, but Iaccepted him.
You're telling me you didn't seehim in Oklahoma?
No, listen to me.
I refuse I know of a moviecalled Kate Leopold, where he's
some sort of time travelingromantic who sends letters and I
(03:07):
don't understand it, but I sawthe commercial and I said, no,
I'm not gonna see Hugh Jackman.
So you guys did something thatnobody has ever made me do.
And I was tricked because I inmy head I saw it as Vigo
Mortensen because of his thelong hair.
So I thought I was like,alright, I I guess I can deal
(03:28):
with watching Aragorn.
I don't know, I guess, but itwas far less offensive and of an
idea.
And then I put when I see HughJackman walk into that frame, I
paused it and I I immediatelytexted them and I said, guys,
you guys didn't tell me that thelead is suspiciously like
Wolveria or something, and theirresponses were like, no, uh,
(03:50):
Kate Beckinsdale.
Um I don't know what you'retalking about.
Kate Beckendale, yeah, she's thevampire girl, and they're
trolling me, guys.
They're trolling me.
I think this is a trap.
So I'm calling them both of youfess up now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
Okay.
It wasn't intended as a trap.
I didn't I genuinely didn'trealize you had such a phobia to
watching movies with actors thatyou are very familiar or like
very tired.
I mean, you have said it manytimes on the show, but I didn't
realize it was such a phobiathat you just absolutely didn't
do it.
But I'm happy that uh I pushedyou out of your circle a little
(04:24):
bit.
So it wasn't my intention.
I just, you know, we weretalking about monsters last
week, specificallyFrankenstein's monster, and I
was just like, you know what?
Frankenstein's in this one too.
And it's kind of like they werethey were talking about it on
the internet like last week orsomething.
Like there was a joke about themirror scene where like she's in
the ballroom and there's nobodyaround her, and someone joked
(04:44):
online basically saying, like,nobody's sure if this was like a
technical mishap that they justforgot to put all those people
into the mirror, or if this wasintentional, and it just kind of
spurred some like stupidconversation because obviously
it's intentional, but it'sfunnier that it would be a
technical mishap.
Um, so I was I was like, I hadit on my mind, and I was just
(05:06):
like, let's just do it, let'sroll.
Anthony, you've seen Van Helsingbefore.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Yes, I think that they were definitely like trying
to go like full swing intocreating something because I
remember visiting you inCalifornia one year, and we went
to Universal, and they had likethis Van Helsing, like kind of
walkthrough like Dracula'scastle thing.
(05:32):
And mind you, like this was likethe year after the movie came
out, so they were still tryingto do stuff with it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean they clearly put a lot of eggs in
this basket.
And to be fair, Universal's beentrying to re-up their monster
franchise for decades now.
You know, they tried to do thedark universe, that was a fail.
They I think there was anotherthere was a couple movies.
There was the Invisible Man,there was a Wolfman movie, there
(05:59):
was a Mummy movie, but they'reall disconnected and they're
trying to recapture that magicof you know the early universal
monster stuff.
And they haven't really done it,or at least not to any box
office of plum, but they havetried to do different things,
and that's why I'm so excitedabout what they're doing in Epic
Universe, because they're kindof just molding all of those
(06:21):
stories into one mythology alittle bit.
Yeah.
And did this movie give you anyvibes as to what you saw in Epic
Universe and the the the darkuniverse?
SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
It it did give me like that vibe because there's
that one ride where they havelike the kind of like monsters
unleashed where there's like youknow, the mix of they had
Frankenstein, there was the wolfman, there was Dracula, they had
the creature from the BlackLagoon, which isn't like they're
always trying to makeFrankenstein, they're always
(06:56):
trying to do Dracula, theyalways try to do the Mummy, and
even like the Wolfman, butthey've never done anything with
the creature from the BlackLagoon in a long time.
Maybe this is time to like maybetry to it's like okay, let's do
something different, let's bringthis guy back.
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
And I mean he's also kind of like a tragic creature
because he's just trying toprotect his home, really.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
He's just a creature from yeah, from a lagoon.
SPEAKER_01 (07:22):
He's just he's just trying to protect his home,
really.
That's what it is.
SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
Yeah.
They should do an Icelandversion where it's like creature
from the blue lagoon.
Um no.
What?
SPEAKER_02 (07:40):
Like just a Nordic, uh, an attractive Nordic woman
with blonde hair.
Like, oh no, she's so scary.
Oh no.
Please don't.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Yeah, well, it would be like it would be elves or
like the Holtefolk in uhIcelandic lore.
So you don't want to do that.
Yes, you don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:55):
Wait, did you did you also go to that that weird
uh experience in Iceland wherewith like the trolls telling the
story of Iceland?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (08:03):
No, I didn't do that.
There's a lot of stuff to do inIceland, but that is not one of
the things I did.
Yeah, they but we're sorry aboutthat.
Sorry about that.
Let's let's uh let's reel itback in.
Before we uh jump full steamahead into the Van Helsing side
of things, what have we been upto this past week?
I'll start with me.
How about that?
I never started a littleselfish.
SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
Can't believe it.
First time in 145 episodes.
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
A little selfish, yeah.
What did I do this week?
Oh, so I finished season one ofStranger Things.
I did my timeline notes onseason one of Stranger Things.
That was kind of fun.
It's actually pretty strong,like timeline-wise, in terms of
the first season, because it'sday by day by day by day, and it
keeps the consistency of likethis is Tuesday, now this is
(08:53):
Thursday, now this is Saturday,whatever.
And I was really surprised by itbecause most series they kind of
start like that, you know.
School starts on a Monday, thisis the Saturday.
But as time goes on, it justbecomes a jumble of like m
whatever day the writers thinkof.
And I was really surprised.
I have a very, very strongtimeline consistency within the
(09:15):
first season.
So I'm excited to see how thatcontinues.
Because I believe every firstepisode of every season begins
with a date, or at least most ofthem do.
So I'm hoping to see if I canmap out that entire timeline
pretty accurately, and we'll seewhere that goes.
But uh otherwise, I I alsostarted listening to the second
(09:35):
full cast audiobook for theHarry Potter franchise, Chamber
of Secrets, came out yesterdayas of recording this.
And yeah, I'm really enjoyingit.
It the production quality isjust like off the charts.
But you know, I'm I'm like usedto it now because I have already
listened to the Sorcerer's Stoneone.
So I'm not surprised by it asmuch as I was the first one.
(09:58):
Like the first one, I was justlike, wow, I can't believe they
did this.
I cannot believe they managesuch a feat for an audiobook.
But yeah, no, it's it's stillit's still just as good.
And yeah, I'm enjoying it.
So that's about it for me.
Tomorrow's a big day for me.
I see uh the new Avatar movie.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
Oh man, I can't wait to see Aang, man.
It's gonna be so good.
And Appa's back.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Aang, Jake Sully, Katara.
There's some new characters,Varang.
Um, yeah, we we uh we're goingbig this time.
We're going big.
And then we're gonna go home.
What else?
Uh that's that's pretty much it.
Yeah, I I didn't do all thatmuch.
Been watching some Office, andyeah.
I'm going to send it over toAnthony.
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
I haven't been doing anything too much except for
just been continuing my Red DeadRedemption playthrough.
And I mean like this is like thefirst one, not the second one,
Rich.
Not not your favorite one, butI've been playing the uh well
not the OG Red Dead, but the OGRed Dead Redemption.
(11:06):
But yeah, no, I've been havingfun with that.
And actually, as of recording,Fallout Season 2 dropped today.
So I'm actually pretty stokedabout that because New Vegas is
one of my favorites, and it'sthe one that's not made by
Bethesda.
Made by Obsidian.
(11:26):
That's right.
So which they also made thesecond Knights of the Republic.
SPEAKER_00 (11:32):
Sorry, is this season uh about New Vegas?
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
Um Vegas.
At least that's what it wasshowing in the in the trailers.
Yeah.
Yeah, man, they're trying topull in all the New Vegas folk.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
Rich, have you already watched Of course.
SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
I uh is it New Vegas?
I'm a degenerate.
Uh yeah, we haven't, you know.
First episode is the firstepisode.
I don't want to spoil anythingfor anybody, but it definitely
did the whole season release orjust the first episode?
Just the first episode.
I think they're doing oneepisode every week, which I'm uh
stoked about.
Rich would have watched thewhole show today.
I mean, I would have, but youknow what?
SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
I was actually gonna say, like, it's gonna be hard
for me because I'm gonna bewatching Avatar pretty much
every day, but I could probablybang out a whole season of
Fallout for next week.
But I guess that's not gonnahappen because we don't have
full access to that.
But it was good, it was a goodepisode.
SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
I enjoyed it.
Um, you know, I I I really likethe casting.
I think they did a good job withum names Mr.
House.
Very much looks like the guyfrom the game if you know who he
is.
If you don't, I didn't spoilanything, because it's not
really complicated.
But it's I just love it.
I just I can't, it's just I lovebeing back there, man.
(12:44):
It's just I love I love thatworld.
I love the idea of us kind offreezing in the 1950s.
When I go to a wedding, the onlytime that you see me on the
dance floor is when that 50sMega Mix comes on, and they're
asking you to twist, and uh I'mup there twisting, baby.
I love that stuff.
So I love the music.
There, I mean they're using thesongs from the game.
(13:06):
It's I'm getting hit withnostalgia feels that I don't
even know, like I forgot.
Like, I didn't like I have remdon't remember that I remember
that song, and then it startedthe just the first chords play,
and I'm like, oh, like thisblanket is wrapped around me.
I love the show.
I don't think there's anythingthey do wrong in season one, and
I'm so excited for season two.
(13:27):
So expect gentle view gentlelisteners that at some point we
will cover this, and I will havewatched it 17 times over, and I
will annoy both Dakota andAnthony.
And wait, Antoine, uh by I holdup.
(13:50):
Has your name always beenAntoine?
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
At least for today it has been.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
You guys crap you guys do something every week
that throws me off, but uhsorry.
It's just in our nature.
We're just editing.
Sorry, Anthony.
I hijacked you.
Yeah, go ahead.
Uh Anthony, uh anything elsethat you've been up to?
I know you said you were excitedabout Fallout season two, but
what else?
SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
Yeah, man, I'm pretty stoked.
Probably I mean, there's apossibility at some point, maybe
this weekend, uh I'll see uhAvatar.
I'm not gonna be on the Dakotatrain and watch it six times
between tomorrow and Wednesday,but at least once I might see
it.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
So I I don't think I can watch it six times in that
time period, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Yeah, we'll see.
Dakota there's enough timebetween Yeah, you could get an
early showing and then a lateshowing.
You might tap into your innerrich, you know, and watch all
six showings in one day.
SPEAKER_00 (14:49):
There are some some things that I am uh degenerate
for, and this might be one ofthose things.
SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
This is definitely one of those shows.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
This guy is going to the worst borough in New York
just to catch another viewing.
SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
But yeah, we'll we'll pass it over to Rich
though.
SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
Yeah, go ahead, buddy.
Just to be clear, listeners,Dakota's going to the I don't
care if I alienate a wholeborough.
Alright, like this guy is goingto Staten Island just to go see
another viewing of it, which isjust crazy.
It's an island, you gotta liketake a boat there.
It's ridiculous.
Uh you could do it.
You could blame that on hisbrother.
(15:23):
Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonnakeep it on Dakota.
That's dedication.
I mean, like nobody wants to goto Staten Island.
I'm just uh it's it's crazy.
That's fair, fair criticism.
But uh let's see, I I just Ithought I finished Mario
Odyssey.
I just defeated Bowser and I Iguess it's like uh uh like a
post-game world where there'slike stuff to do.
(15:45):
You end up which is really cool.
Like you finish it and then yousuddenly end up like in the
Mario 64 castle area, and thenyou show up and the toads are
like She came home and now wecan't find her.
Hey Rich, who whose Odyssey didyou complete?
Odysseus.
Luigi's brother.
Uh so it's uh I've I reallythere's more for me to do in
(16:09):
that game.
But um there's so much that Ilove about it.
I love being rewarded for likejumping at walls and just hoping
that I like go through itbecause there's a secret area in
the back and I get another staror whatever.
I I've really had a great timewith that game.
Other exciting news about gamingis that I gotta be quiet about
(16:32):
this.
Guys, there's currently a metaquest 3 in my house.
I can't touch it.
It's technically belonging to myson, but let's be honest here.
I'm gonna be playing that thing.
So in a couple weeks, we'regonna get a report.
Probably right.
I mean, I'm just gonna walk youknow, open the gift, put the kid
to bed, watch Stranger Things onChristmas Day or Christmas
(16:55):
night, and then I'm gonna metaquest it up, baby.
So uh I'm very Yeah, it's onlywhat, a week away?
SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
Yeah, good.
SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Yeah, I'm very excited, guys.
Uh yeah.
My wife let me choose, and I uhI would never have bought this
for myself, but man, I I amexcited, and that's a good thing
because the Mets have broken myheart and decided not to sign
any of my favorite players, andI don't know why I'm paying
$6,000 to go see them 81 timesnext year.
(17:21):
But with all that out of theway, uh why don't we move on to
talk about uh you know one of myfavorite actors in the world?
SPEAKER_00 (17:29):
The rich lore is uh is always top of my
entertainment for the week.
Sorry, we did you say you wantedto go talk about the movie?
Yeah, let's let's jump in.
Let's do it.
So yeah.
They made this movie in aboutaround the year 2004.
They used characters that haveexisted in various multimedia
(17:51):
franchises and media outlets,you know, Dracula, Frankenstein,
they were both created uh bynovels or in novels.
You have characters that wereintroduced in films, Igor, the
werewolf or wolfman.
You have new things in thismovie, you have Dwergeies that
never appear in anything else,which are just like little
(18:12):
minions of Dracula.
You have Dracula's offspring,which are just like little bat
baby things that are terrifying,and like I don't even know why
he would want to bring thoseinto the world.
Like, how many do you reallyneed, sir?
You have Dr.
Jackal and Mr.
Hyde.
I didn't even realize when I wasa kid that it was modeled after
Andre the Giant, but hey, it wasmodeled after Andre the Giant
(18:34):
very clearly.
I'm just I'm rambling right now,but you know, this this movie
shouldn't exist.
It's such a crazy ensemble ofideas that they meshed into this
action movie.
And I think they kind of burnedthemselves out a little bit.
If they were trying to build afranchise with this, you know,
huge jacked man playing VanHelsing, he kinda he met all the
(18:56):
monsters, he met all the goodones anyway, in the first movie.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Yeah, I was gonna say they built the whole like
universe in one movie, you know,and this movie Logan Van
Helsing.
That's what we're gonna callhim.
Logan Van Helsing.
It's not Gabriel.
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
Gabriel Van Helsing.
Yeah.
Did uh did we like the movie?
So the the movie uh before I youknow send it over to you guys,
was um I think ahead of its timein certain ways.
You know, like it didn't receivegreat reviews and it didn't
receive a great box officerapport.
(19:34):
But I think people didn't knowhow good they had it in the
early 2000s when it came toadventure movies because this
was crazy.
This was really good.
Uh the choreography in terms oflike the camera choreography,
the framing of certain shots,the black and white stuff in the
beginning, dude, it was it wasso beautiful.
It was like it was so gorgeousto look at almost all the time.
(19:57):
And yeah, so a couple of Actorsplayed it over the top.
Dracula was really ham-fisted,and Frankenstein really screamed
all the time.
But it was fun.
It's supposed to be camp.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
They also, you know, they they had two actors that
were really like at the top oftheir game, too, you know.
Hugh Jackman, household namebecause of the X-Men movies, and
then you had Kate Beckinsale,which was like, you know,
blowing it up with theUnderworld Underworld's movie.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Did did Underworld already come out at that time?
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
The first one, yeah, it was in 03.
Okay, so yeah, she was very thatUnderworld was like it was like
the female version of Blade,except I I don't think she could
go outside during the day.
SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Yeah, she wasn't a daywalker, but But she fought
vampires.
I do remember really liking thatfirst movie.
I think the first two werereally good.
And then it just became like toomuch.
But the first one was such acool concept.
It was almost like The Matrixmeets a secret war between
vampires and werewolves.
It was the coolest thing ever.
(21:11):
There was a bunch of cool moviesaround that time.
There was a movie called um Ithink it was Rain of Fire, where
it was like uh apost-apocalyptic movie where
like dragons had like taken overthe world or something like
that.
Sean Connery or something?
Isn't he in it?
No, I don't think Sean Connery.
Maybe he's uh I don't rememberif he's in it.
SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Heath Ledger?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
I feel like hey Hold on, I gotta look that up now.
But there was a bunch of moviesin that time frame.
So that was this was 2002.
It was uh Matthew McConaugheyand Christian Bale.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
Yep, no, completely wrong.
And Gerard Brahman.
Sorry about that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Yeah, it was a dragon movie.
It was really cool.
Yeah, it was just a fun time foryou know one-off movies.
Maybe Underworld wasn't one-off.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it was just like Hollywoodwas trying cool things, and
there wasn't this overloominggotta be like the MCU thing that
everyone has tried to do prettymuch since 2012.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yeah.
And I I think that's why peopleI know that streaming doesn't
help out with that, but youknow, uh with the lack of taking
the chance or taking a risk,like nobody really wants to go
go to the movies and watch likea a copy and paste of something
else, you know.
(22:21):
Somebody people have shown thatthey will come to the movies for
things that matter, like, youknow, obviously, you know, a
good MCU movie or like theAvatar movies.
I mean, that you know thismovie's gonna make gangbusters
on uh like Buku money just forexisting.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
Yeah.
I think uh I love that gif orit's like a it's like a video of
uh James Cameron like smoking ahundred dollar bill or something
like that.
It's just like he he's rollingin it right now.
Three of the top five grossingmovies of all time are directed
by James Cameron.
(22:59):
So his his track record is justlike bar none.
There's nobody nobody on thatlevel, but yeah, I wish there
were more movies like thisnowadays that did well, you
know.
Like uh recently uh we coveredDungeons and Dragons Honor Among
Thieves, and it has this vibe,you know, they gave something a
chance, they had fun with it,there's a clear adventure story
(23:22):
there, potential for you knowfranchise development, but you
just need the audience, youknow, and yeah, I think that
that's where this fell.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
And um I think the sad thing about it was that like
if like more people hadunderstood a little bit more
about Dungeons and Dragons, theywould have enjoyed it a lot more
because it really gave you thatcampaign vibe.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
I almost wonder if Honor Among Thieves was held
back by the Dungeons andDragons.
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
I think it was.
I a thousand percent because youknow I've mentioned I think I
mentioned on that episode thatlike I've steered clear of
Dungeons and Dragons my entirelife because I know how I am and
I get into things uh just alittle bit.
It's a little bit of the littlebit of spice I bring to my life,
(24:11):
but uh if I I feel like I wouldjust go too far.
So I didn't watch that moviebecause I had no interest.
I was like, oh, Dungeons andDragons, I don't care.
But uh, as Anthony has quoted meand saying, that was a
rip-roaring good time.
I loved that movie, it was somuch fun, and I would have never
seen it had I not been forcedto, and the reason I stayed away
(24:32):
from it was because it wasDungeons and Dragons.
If it was just called HonorAmong Thieves, I would have been
like, Oh, Chris Pike, let's go!You know, like I uh what's her
name, Jennifer?
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
And then later, you know, like you you'd probably
read up, oh, it's based onDungeons and Dragons, like this
world, whatever.
Now, you were also forced towatch a movie with Huge Jacked
Man called Van Helsing.
You haven't really given youropinion on the movie yet, and I
think I would really like tohear that.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Okay.
So I was angry.
I think that I kind of so Inoticed this Hugh Jackman, and
I'm like, oh boy, it's black andwhite.
I'm like, is this whole darnmovie in black and white?
Which I'm sorry, I hope I don'tdisappoint anyone out there.
I you know, other than um what'sthat comic movie that like
everybody was in?
(25:17):
Mickey Rourke and uh Sin City.
Other than Sin City, I I rarelywatch like black and white
movies, so that was a little bitbut despite it all, I ended up
liking it because it okay, solike I really disliked the van
uh Dracula.
I thought he was way too overthe top, but then like he gets
(25:39):
so over the top that I startedto enjoy it.
I'm like, alright, Bug.
Alright, let's go.
You want to double down more?
Let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
And like it's it's yeah, he keeps he keeps upping
the antsy of just like, howcrazy can I be?
SPEAKER_02 (25:54):
You know, and like, you know, like I want life and
and then it gets so ridiculous.
Like and Frankenstein is like awrestler from the 1980s, you
know, where it's like you'reyou're how do you feel about
your mom dying?
Like, well, you know, I feel I'mvery upset about this, and uh,
(26:14):
it's not great.
And it's just everything isyelling for like uh no matter
what.
And that was kind of absurd.
The bats thing was weird.
I did get a lot of mummy vibesfrom the uh like the melting of
like the the vampire brides.
I did like the weird Mormonovertones where like he has
multiple brides, and thenthey're like, Why do we need
(26:37):
another bride?
You know, they get all likehopped up about it and stuff.
So that that was kind of crazy.
It's really like as it's alonger movie, right?
It's like two and a half hours.
I think it's only like two hoursten.
Alright, two hours ten, sorry.
It's almost like for the first30 minutes, I was like, nah,
man, I'm not gonna like this.
This dumb, I'm angry, I'mwatching a huge Jackal movie,
(26:59):
it's not Wolverine.
And then I liked it, and then Iwas super confused at the end
with Mufasa in the sky.
So it was a real roller coaster.
This was a real roller coaster.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
Yeah, no, it's so they there's a line on in the
beginning of the movie wherebasically like the whole family
is barred from heaven untilDracula is killed, which is such
a ridiculous, like nobody in mybloodline is gonna move on to
the next life until you die,sir.
That's how badly we're gonnakill you, but we're really bad
(27:33):
at killing you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:34):
Yeah, so that was I want to do a stipulation where
I'm gonna curse on my deathbed,I'm like, nobody in this family
goes to heaven until the Metswin the world series.
And then like in 21-22, mydescendants finally make it
there.
And you see me and they're alljust confused, like that was so
like the CGI in this, Anthony.
(27:55):
What do you think?
The CGI is like good, but it'salso like weird.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
It it was 2004 CGI, it looked exactly like the CGI
from that time, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
Yeah, it was definitely like on par with like
pirates and stuff.
But there I I know what you'resaying.
There were certain scenes, thewerewolf transformations looked
great, you know.
That was that was really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (28:19):
But then there were more old school Hollywood tricks
that they would employ that likethe little bats, like they were
definitely like there were CGI,but then there was like a real,
I want to say real effect, likelittle weird-looking bats like
just sitting next to people.
SPEAKER_00 (28:40):
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah, well, probably, yeah.
They used real props for certainthings.
Like I think Dracula's Castle isa map painting, which is really
jarring to see in a post-2000smovie.
And there's certain things thataren't like CGI, and it's just
overlaid faces onto clouds, youknow, like that's not CGI.
(29:00):
They just doubled footage ontoother footage.
So it's like they put a lot ofmoney into certain things and
then just like we can do thisthe old-fashioned way.
And it I I did laugh when herface just pops up into the
clouds.
It is really her face is so big,like everyone else's face is
small, and her face is so big,and her eyes her tears are so so
(29:25):
large.
Oh god, it was so funny.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
So your boy, you know, Vigio was not in the
movie, but your boy Faramir was.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
He was.
That was actually the morejarring thing for me than huge
Jacked Man.
It was uh Faramir showing up andjust being a bumbling oaf for
the most part, except when youneeded him.
SPEAKER_02 (29:48):
Well, he's a man of quality.
He's got he's a man of quality.
So, you know, you got HughJackman, and then when Faramir
gets on screen and he's likethis cowardly bumbling oaf,
which is what his father,Deathanar, uh, sees him as,
essentially.
I um I got big mad.
(30:08):
I'm not gonna lie.
I was like, How dare youbesmirch Faramir?
He's a man of quality, he's aman of Gondor.
And uh that was I mean,honestly, like kudos to the
actor.
It's crazy to me.
That's the same man.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
The role of Gondor is his.
SPEAKER_02 (30:27):
He's uh he's only a steward, but still it was it was
he also played who what else ishe in?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
He's in something more recent.
Um I think it was Iron Fist,right?
He was one of the villains inthe first season of Iron Fist.
And I think he actually did areally good job on that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
He was on the show Fringe, also.
SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
Yes, you were and Denethor was on the actor for
Denethor was on that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
Oh that oh yeah, yeah, that that's who I meant.
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Very good.
So uh yeah, so uh one thing thatI liked that I didn't
necessarily grasp when I was auh a kid watching this movie, or
a teenager whenever this cameout, was the concept of the sect
that Van Helsing worked for orworked under, being so open to
(31:17):
other walks of life.
It wasn't so it met in like theVatican, right?
It wasn't like a Catholicorganization because there were
monks in there, there werepriests in there, there were
people from pretty much allreligions and like walks of
life.
And I was really surprised tosee that.
You know, like it didn't I Iit's such a strange you never
(31:38):
really see that.
I don't know, I don't know howto describe it.
Like an organization that's soamalgast of other religions and
creeds and everything.
But you know, I guess these allare individuals who are seeking
to kill monsters.
They're almost like a witchersect, but instead of everyone
being witchers, they're justfrom all walks of life and they
(31:59):
feed Van Helsing's hatred ofmonsters.
I think that's their goal inlife is just like fuel that fire
within him.
SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
Yeah, that was I look like the is that a a con uh
an actual thing that theconfessionals had like a gate to
keep the person from going out?
Like, does that mean like ifsomebody had like a really
heinous crime that I don't wantto mention, but uh, you know,
it's terrible, and they get intothe booth and it's like oh
(32:29):
calling the constable, like Iknow this whole religion thing
we're supposed to forgive.
SPEAKER_00 (32:34):
I don't know.
I don't have an answer for you.
I'm sure that that has happenedat the I would have never gone
to confession.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Catholics.
Like I would have never gone.
I was raised Catholic.
It was bad enough that when wewent to confession, they had the
little screen, right?
But like we our church had itjust as a room.
So then you'd walk into the roomand you'd see the priest and
then sit behind the screen.
So like he saw you, like uh healready knows who you are.
(33:01):
And the idea that then like thatwas the most nerve-wracking, and
then the idea that if I walkedin and I said the wrong thing, a
gate would have come down and Iwould have been trapped inside
is.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Well, I mean, he was uh he Van Helsing knew who he
was speaking to in terms of likethis was his gateway to get into
whatever organization he neededto get into.
It wasn't like that was thefirst time, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:28):
It just yeah the fact that it even exists is uh
is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
It is a bizarre concept.
SPEAKER_02 (33:33):
Very Catholic though.
SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
Um it is, but also isn't, you know, at the same
time.
It's they're very open todifferent creeds and lifestyles
over there in the late 1800s.
What did we think of Oh, so Iwasn't joking.
The the Mr.
Hyde was modeled after Andre theGiant.
(33:54):
That was like intentional.
Really?
Yeah, no, because I was justlike, this guy looks like Andre
the Giant, and I'm telling Jenthat.
And I look it up and and it'slike, yep, that was intentional.
That was modeled after Frenchactor Andre the Giant.
SPEAKER_02 (34:11):
Andre, yeah, Andre Rousemov.
That's crazy.
So I I won't lie, I mean, Ithought it I kind of saw it, but
uh I watch too much wrestlingand I try not to like let it
infect every single thing that Iyou know, I but I love I love
Andre.
I mean that's a really cool uh Idon't know.
Uh the portrayal in this one, Idon't know if you guys have ever
seen League of ExtraordinaryGentlemen, uh, which I uh hate
(34:34):
and love at the same time.
I liked the Dr.
Jekyll Mr.
Hyde there.
Am I am I often saying that wemet Mr.
Hyde but we didn't really seeDr.
Jekyll?
Or was it just so quick becausethey cramming everything in?
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
They show Mr.
Hyde when he's falling off theNotre Dame, he turns into Dr.
Jekyll and dies as basicallyBruce Banner instead of the
Hyde.
Okay.
Yeah.
So again, they kill off a prettypretty significant, you know,
literary monster right off thegate.
Then they introduce or they theyintroduce Frankenstein
(35:11):
previously, the docFrankenstein's monster.
They they fake us out, theypretend to kill him early on in
the movie.
We find out that he isn'tactually dead, and then they
kill off Dracula later on.
It's it's they kill off somepretty big monsters.
I guess uh you can have nothere's like no end to like
vampires and werewolves that youcan choose from.
(35:34):
What are they gonna I'm socurious what they would have
done with this franchise if itwould have just kept going, you
know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe they would have chosencreatures.
SPEAKER_01 (35:43):
By the end, like Anthony was Frankenstein is
alive.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Frankenstein is alive, and he most certainly
would have showed back up rightwhen the cast needed him.
SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
He would have been like somehow he would have
returned.
SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
Somehow Frankenstein returned, and he would have been
like, You forgot your reallycool weapon.
I I had it in my back pocket.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
You know, like after seeing Frankenstein from last
week and then like watching thisFrankenstein, like I'm like just
genuinely convinced thatFrankenstein's monster is just a
hero.
SPEAKER_00 (36:21):
Oh yeah.
It's a really bad adaptation ifFrankenstein's monster isn't
actually the hero.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Let's just be clear about that.
I mean, he even is in a book inthe book.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
Yeah, no, that's that's intentional.
It would be a very badadaptation if it was an actual
monster playing Frankenstein'smonster.
But what I liked about this Ialways liked this version of
Frankenstein because it kind ofmolds the classic Hollywood
bumbling oaf with the eloquenceof the Mary Shelley character.
(36:56):
So he is like over the top andhe's he's very mechanical, like
they like the Hollywood versionof him.
You know, like he he haselectricity running through his
his brain and stuff.
He's got a weird like node overhis heart that's green and bold.
It's an arc reactor, right?
SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
Um like the back of his head.
SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
What's up?
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
And on his head, too.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Yeah, and his head opens up randomly, like if he
gets hit too hard, he's kind oflike a a toy that just busts
open intentionally.
But he is also a very eloquentand kind-hearted creature,
person, thing.
And this is probably where I gotthe notion that Frankenstein
(37:39):
needed to be massive, like 300pounds, because in the movie he
is like 360 pounds, eight ornine feet tall, stuff like you
know, like that's probably whereI got the notion that
Frankenstein needed to be largerthan he was in the previous
movie that we watched last week.
What did we think of Dracula'splot?
I kind of enjoyed it in a inlike a like it made sense for
(38:03):
the movie that Dracula needed tobring life to his offspring.
Like he that was his next step.
He's been around for like 400years.
He wants to do something alittle different.
He has brides, he can't reallydo anything with them like a
progeny wise.
Now he can, because he metsomeone named Victor
(38:24):
Frankenstein who claims that hecan reanimate the dead.
Dracula is dead, his brides aredead, naturally their children
are dead and cannot be raised tolife unless someone figures out
a way to bring them to life.
So they get this Dr.
Frankenstein guy to test themand he creates Frankenstein's
monster.
(38:45):
I like that idea that Dracula isthe catalyst for Frankenstein's
monster because he wants to havea proof of concept that his
progeny can come to life.
I thought that was a really, youknow, interesting dynamic.
What did you guys did you guyslike that or was that too much
for you?
SPEAKER_01 (39:02):
I mean, like it's it's believable.
SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Within the confines of, you know, this this was
logic, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
Yeah, I mean it it works, but it's I don't think
there ever was a real threatthat Dracula's plan was gonna
come through.
Sure, okay.
You know, like you should watchsome movies in the village.
SPEAKER_00 (39:22):
Right, I don't but I'm not asking about like the
threat levels and like whetherit is it was ever gonna work.
I just I like the idea.
Or like, you know, this catalyzethe story that we received, you
know, like I didn't think theDeath Star was really gonna
destroy the rebels, but I likethe idea that the Empire, you
(39:44):
know, created this to like youknow bring balance to the
galaxy.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I yeah, yeah I I think Igot the point.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
See, I didn't believe about that, but I did
believe that in real life thatDarth Vader was The one that
brought balance to the force.
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
To his new empire.
SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
His new empire?
Yeah.
Sorry.
We're gonna cut out themiddleman, the middleman being
Palpatine.
Jen for the longest time, and Ithink she still does it.
Like, there's certain words thatlike she always gets wrong, and
like Palpatine is like one ofthose things that is hard for
her to say.
She says Palpatine.
(40:27):
Wait, really?
Like it's she adds an extra L inthere, and it's it's it's
adorable.
SPEAKER_02 (40:32):
It's it's painful, but it's you know, uh, I'm gonna
be watching I'm gonna beteaching Revenge of the Sith.
Uh when I come back from Oh,you're Macbeth.
Yes, so I'm I'm tempted to uhsee if she'll help introduce the
uh because I do a slideshow uhpresentation with the main
people.
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
I think I've corrected her enough times where
like she would when she getsinto teacher mode, she she is a
little bit more in her A game,but we'll see.
Yeah.
I know she would like kill toteach.
Oh, so here's here's a funnything.
And you Rich, you probablyalready know.
She wanted to teach Alien, likethe 1979 Alien movie in her
(41:13):
class, as part of uh an art likean AI cautionary story, because
you know there's the motherprotocol that kind of keeps the
alien alive aboard the Nostromoand all that.
She really wanted me to edit themovie in a way where it was
clean, which I could do, youknow.
I could I could edit out thecursing, I can edit out the
(41:34):
scene where like Sigourney isbasically like in the smallest
underwear uh ever put to screen.
I can cut away from stuff likethat, but she wanted me to make
it an 80-minute movie so that itshe could play it over two
classes, and I couldn't do itfrom uh, you know, like how do
you maintain the story when youcut 40 minutes out of it?
(41:57):
You know, like that reallybothered my conscience, you
know, like as a like an artenjoyer, a fan of Ridley Scott,
and you know, just like I feltlike I was desecrating film,
right?
Dude, like I I debated, I was II was like losing sleep over it.
I was like, what am I gonna cutout?
I could probably cut out thebeginning where it's like just
(42:17):
three minutes of the ship, butthat's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (42:21):
It's it's uh every year I I I teach the first unit
of the year for the seniors isthe college essay, and every
year I've got a kid, the essaymaximum word count is six fifty.
Every year I've got a kid whoshows up with like 1200 words,
and it's like the mostheart-wrenching story of their
life, and they're like, Can youhelp me get it under 650?
(42:45):
And I'm like, You want me tochoose what parts of your life
to cut out?
Like, this is double what it is,you know.
So I can't even imagine like oh,cutting out alien.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
I mean they got getting rid of the alien itself.
SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
I feel like you as a teacher would be able to read
that and be able to cut outstuff that may be like
unnecessary.
SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
You're right.
I can do that 85% of the time orsomething, but there's always
like one every year that everypart of it is so integral that
you're like, how do I do this?
Like, I'm like, you don't makeme do this.
You figure it out and then comeback to be get it down to like
nine and I can help you.
But like this is double.
(43:30):
Like I can't figure it out yet.
SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
Yeah.
650 is kind of kind of honestlyit's messed up.
SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
College boards like, hey guys, you know, what's the
one uh thing that's not on yourapplication that you really want
us to know about you?
What makes you you tell us in650?
And you're like, 650.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
Yeah, as a kid, 650 words sounds like a long, a long
thing.
I make video essays, and in asitting, I'm well past a
thousand words, and I've barelycracked the first couple minutes
of my video, you know?
Like it it that's crazy.
I don't know.
That would be hard for me to dobecause I'm not I'm not very
good at brevity.
SPEAKER_02 (44:11):
But yeah.
But uh going back to Van Helsingover here, I just uh tell me.
I don't know.
You really liked it.
I I could tell I I I ended upliking it, but I definitely
didn't like it as much as umDungeons and Dragons.
I definitely didn't like it asmuch as I'm trying to think of
the at time.
I liked Underworld a lot more.
(44:32):
Um I I yeah I personally didn'tknow like a lot of the Van
Helsing lore.
I I vaguely knew and honestly,like I I loved Conquerors Bad
for a Day Man.
It's such a great game.
And it had parody levels, andthey had like the Matrix, and
one of them was Van Helsing, soI knew vaguely oh, and I also
learned about Van Helsing fromForgetting Sarah Marshall, where
(44:55):
he writes like the whole musicalbased on Van Helsing at the end.
And uh I don't know.
Have you ever guys you guys everseen that one?
SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
No.
What?
Wait, wait, wait, say what'sgetting Sarah Marshall?
I have seen Forgetting Helsing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:08):
Yeah, and his whole musical idea is based off of Van
Helsing.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Oh, okay.
So, I mean, have you ever readthe Bram Stoker Dracula?
No.
So that is where the characterVan Helsing began.
It's the guy who's trying tobring Dracula down.
This movie makes him a muchbigger deal in terms of like
he's just a monster hunter inthis.
He's a witcher, basically.
But he's not in Bram Stoker'sbook.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
He does hunt Dracula, but yeah, isn't he like
a scientist though?
Like more scientist-y kind ofyes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:40):
He's like a professor or something.
SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Okay, alright.
So I thought, yeah, because I itit was I mean the the game lined
up with this a little bit more.
But uh, this is like the fur soI I thought after I came away
from the movie, I thought thatthis was what Van Helsing was
like, and I was like, wow, it'sweird that I haven't seen this
that it hasn't been like doneagain or in a different way, but
(46:05):
apparently it has a full fiveseasons, so I gotta dive in.
SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
Yeah, uh uh apparently there's a full five
seasons of Van Helsing from theproducers of Fargo and Hell on
Wheels.
I'm assuming that's the name ofthe other thing, Anthony Hell on
Wheels, Hell on Something.
SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Uh yeah, I think like that that uh Western show.
SPEAKER_00 (46:25):
Okay, yeah.
Anthony has a logo of VanHelsing TV series behind him,
but it's kind of cut off alittle bit.
Anyway, do we have any finalthoughts on Van Helsing?
SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
Um I think it's a it's a fun movie.
It's not going to be, you know,anything.
It's not like a top-tier Oscar,you know, nominated movie, but
it it it will be like a goodtime.
And sometimes like that's whatyou need.
You don't need some crazy moviethat you have to really pay
(46:59):
attention to every littledetail.
Sometimes you just want to enjoya spectacle on TV, and that's
what this is.
SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
And I was surprised by how muchwas happening in every scene.
There was always action.
It doesn't go two minuteswithout a werewolf breaking
into, you know, like the houseat night or vampires attacking
carriages, or any there's alwaysaction happening at any given
(47:28):
moment in this movie.
And I thought that that wasreally impressive because that's
gotta be exhausting to write,you know, like to like figure
out how to do this scene byscene by scene by scene.
Yeah.
Uh kudos to that.
But yeah, I would say it'sprobably like in my top five uh
Wolverine movies.
I sort of go.
SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
It's probably it's in my top few Underworld movies.
SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Yeah, no, I mean I think it's probably a little bit
better than Deadpool andWolverine for me, but a little
lower than the Wolverine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Richie's looking at me like I'velost.
Did you say that that you likethis better than Deadpool and
Wolverine?
Yeah, I as far as like where Iplace it among Wolverine films,
(48:11):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:12):
It's believable.
SPEAKER_03 (48:13):
I don't even know what to say.
SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
I really dislike the multiverse when it comes to
Marvel.
Um, and I think it cheapens alot of what I used to love about
Marvel.
So I enjoyed watching Deadpooland Wolverine, but I don't like
it.
I actually dislike it because ofthat.
So that's where I sit with that.
SPEAKER_02 (48:34):
Sky's drop is scorched in a hot takes an hour
into the podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (48:38):
I mean I mean, he's not lying though about the
multiverse.
Like, I mean, it was completelybotched, and this was really a
bit of like fan service to tryto save it.
SPEAKER_00 (48:50):
Yeah, I'm I'm really excited for the multiverse era
to end so that they can just dosomething else.
Because I'm not really excitedfor Avengers Doomsday.
I know a trailer leaked and it'sgonna be attached to the new
Avatar movie, so I guess that'llbe the first time I see that
trailer.
I'm tentatively excited aboutSecret Wars, because that is
(49:13):
actually a comic that I like,and I hope they do it justice,
but after Secret Wars, they kindof close the multiverse.
So I'm hoping that happens withthe movies, and that's that's
what that's what I'm lookingforward to, basically.
Not so much Doomsday.
But anyway, guys, yeah, VanHelsing in my top five Wolverine
(49:34):
films.
And uh Richard, what are yourfinal thoughts?
It's not a Wolverine film.
SPEAKER_02 (49:38):
Um it's it's not a Wolverine film.
I uh you know, look, it's uhit's a fine movie that I would
watch on a Saturday when it'sraining outside and there's no
baseball, and I'd put it on likeTBS or something, and even watch
(49:59):
it with commercials.
SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
You know what?
I really like that we finallyfound a movie that Rich doesn't
like.
He's trying really hard to likeit, and he's trying hard not to
hurt our feelings, but it'sokay.
It's okay.
You are allowed to not likesomething, sir.
I and I I'm actually proud ofyou for finding something that,
you know, like you're usuallynot the one of the three of us
(50:22):
that has negative opinions aboutsomething.
So this is totally cool.
Yeah, all right, fine.
You know what?
SPEAKER_02 (50:28):
If I had to go thumbs up, thumbs down, if
that's all I had, and I don'thave any middle ground, I'm
gonna go thumbs down.
SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
Alright, so one last question.
When Dracula dies and all of hisprogeny, his bat like babies,
burst open, what adjective wouldyou use?
Be You know where he's gone withthat.
SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
It's liquid-based.
I think it's liquid-based.
Um, I wouldn't say it's quitemilky robotic, right?
I it's not, it's we're nottalking about synthesis.
SPEAKER_00 (50:58):
No, no, no.
That's not a good one.
SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
I think it's something more that comes from a
tree, maybe specifically fromfruit.
I would say those were somejuicy scenes.
SPEAKER_00 (51:08):
Guys, uh, you know, I wasn't gonna go there.
I wasn't I wasn't gonna, youknow, bring up the juicy thing,
but uh Rich brought it up.
So um I'm gonna ask you kindlyif you are listening to this,
you've made it this far, youlike what you're listening to,
listen to more of uh us rambleabout random movies and TV shows
and other things.
Please be sure to give us afive-star juicy review on
(51:30):
whatever podcast application youare listening to, because that
is how we succeed, that is howwe continue to get new
listeners, and uh yeah, thatthat lets us know how you feel.
So please do that.
And thank you so much forlistening to us here for our
145th episode of ProjectGeekology.
Yeah.
To do loo.
Peace.
(51:51):
This movie does not have theWolverine.
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