As we usher in a new season of life in 2024, the spotlight shines on the power of women and the vital importance of sustaining their health. Sharing from my own journey, I've come to recognize that self-care isn't just a luxury, it's a necessity for maintaining the harmony in our lives. This episode is a vibrant tapestry of conversations with Coach Angela and Dr. Christina Tszilinis, weaving their expertise into our narrative as we explore the life-altering insights from the transformative book "Outlive." We tackle the essential matter of keeping life-threatening diseases at bay and the role metabolism plays in our health span, all while integrating self-care practices that don’t disrupt our daily lives or those around us.
This particular conversation isn't your run-of-the-mill health talk; it's an intricate dance between medical science and proactive personal health strategies. We explore the delicate equilibrium where medical intervention meets sustainable lifestyle changes, guided by a case study that illustrates the critical moments when health coaching becomes pivotal in preventing irreversible damage. It's an eye-opener to the uniqueness of each health journey, discussing why moderate exercise and stress management can be as impactful as any extreme measure. The insights from our guests underscore the importance of a well-rounded approach to wellness, destined to carry us through the years with vitality and grace.
To wrap up, this episode isn't just about the dialogue; it's about the flourishing of gratitude and wisdom that comes from it. Angela and Christina don't just share their knowledge; they're actively shaping a new baseline of health for the generations to come through their global platforms. Their stories and strategies, shared here, are treasures that promise to inspire not only our current listeners but those yet to step on their health journey. Join us for a heart-to-heart on longevity, where we embrace the blessings that come from caring for our well-being and the well-being of those we love.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, proven, not perfect, community, welcome to
2024.
I hope that you tied up 2023.
That's what I said Tied it up.
I didn't say tied up good, Ididn't say tied up strong.
I just said tie it up, it'sover, it's behind us.
Hello, it's a wrap.
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So, whatever was waiting foryou in 2024, we're open to it.
That's what I'm talking about.
We're open to it.
And so I've been sort of teasingthis new season to start 2024,
which is all about you, allabout me, all about health, full
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disclosure.
I feel like 2023 and 2022 triedto give me some health swerves
and, by the grace of God, reallyyes, really, by the grace of
God the swerves literally werejust that a swerve, and I truly
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believe in my heart that theexperience that I had was to
bring forward the ever importanttopic of health, health matters
for women.
Okay, now I know my listenersare not all women and trust and
know that all are welcome here,but just also know that I'm
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pretty clear that I'm rockingwith the women here and I'm
trying to help those stretchedmommies, wives, corporate
executives, business leaders,entrepreneurs, artists, scholars
, academics, all the things.
Nonprofit leaders I can keepgoing.
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Church leaders I can keep going.
We are called to do somemassive and amazing things as
women, and one of the thingsthat resonates for me as I go
into 2024 is that we are anchorsin the places where we inhabit.
We really are.
Whether you think about thatcommunity service group, or you
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think about church, or you thinkabout home or you think about
the office, really give yourselfa second to step back and think
about how you show up and howoften that is as an anchor what?
Yes, we are anchors.
So if we are an anchor, we needto make sure that we are
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anchoring to soil that is deepand rich and solid and strong to
hold us as anchors sometimesget a little loose and rock and
move.
Well, guess what happens?
If the anchor rocks and move,everything connected to it does
as well.
Right, yes, you know this.
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I'm not telling you anythingthat you don't know, but what I
am bringing to mind is howimportant it is for us to step
into 2024 thinking about our ownselves.
Now I am not naive tounderstand that there are season
in our lives and trust and knowthat I intimately know what I
talk about where we increase ascaregivers for others and it can
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feel really, really hard tomake space for our own self when
we increase as caregivers forothers.
But it is at that time that weactually need to pour into our
soil for anchoring even more, soit doesn't have to be massively
big.
You guys, when I would wake upearly in the morning, like 5am,
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with three babies in the roomsdown the hall and know that I
needed to get up and get readyto go lead an organization, I
knew that turning the lights onwould start a regimen that I was
not ready for, but I also knewthat I needed to anchor myself.
Thank God for the cell phonesnow, because it's a little bit
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easier.
You don't need a flashlight inyour Bible under the bed.
You can actually pull out yourBible, turn on an app and be in
the dark pouring into yourspirit right there in the bed
with no disruption to anyoneelse in the house, and then
leave and, cooler, you can reachover to your nightstand where
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you left a 16 ounce bottle ofwater the night before and you
can drink it all before yourfeet ever get the floor.
And then, just as cool, you canease on down to the floor and
you can stretch out and startstretching your limbs what all
of that and look if you'rereally still feeling like, okay,
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I can do this, you can startdoing those bicycles, you can
start doing those crunches, youcan flip over and you can start
doing those push-ups.
What I'm trying to say is thatour minds try to take us out and
tell us that there's so muchgoing on for us, the weight of
the world is so heavy that wejust can't take care of
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ourselves at this moment.
But the reality is, first andforemost, if you're a Christian,
you know, like I know, thatweight isn't ours.
That weight we are to give, weare to turn over, we are to rest
in giving it away to Jesus, whois right there waiting arm
stretch to take it.
That's the first thing.
The second thing is, if youactually get on the ground and
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start doing the things, man, youwill just feel it roll away.
You might even sweat a littlebit.
Okay, that's my message Prethis amazing launch of 2024
Conversations on Health.
Today we're talking to CoachAngela, health Coach Angela.
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I had her on in 2023.
She's a former world-classbodybuilder.
Yes, that's right.
She has a fantastic story.
So if you haven't heard thatstory, please go back in 2023
and take a listen.
The other guest is Dr ChristinaZelinas, who is an OBGYN out of
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Naples, florida.
She is a rock star, frequentlylisted as one of the best
doctors.
She is the best doctor, and,yeah, so we're.
And also, if you want to hearmore about her backstory, there
was a podcast that was done withher in 2022.
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Yes, 2022.
So you can get the backstorieson both of the people.
But today we're going to talkabout a book called Outlive.
You might be familiar with thisbook.
It hit the shelves in the lastyear or so and it just ran
across my screen and it pulledme in.
This doctor is a trainedmedical doctor and he's offering
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his perspective on longevityand long life, but what really
struck me is he doesn't justfocus on the fact that you know,
of course we all want to live alonger life, but we want to
live long lives that are qualitylives, and how do we start to
retrain and reframe to supportthose things?
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So I'm not going to sayanything more.
Enjoy the podcast, please,please, please, let me know what
you think.
Hit me up.
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Underscore proven, not perfect.
You can DM me.
Let me know what you liked,what you didn't like, when I
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thoughts.
I'm looking forward to being incommunity in this journey, this
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health journey.
I just got off the peloton, sowhat did you do?
All right, enjoy the podcast.
Hi Angela, hi Christina, hi, hiY'all.
I am excited about this podcast.
First of all, this is only thesecond time that I've had two
people at the same time on thepodcast, so I think I'm okay at
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it.
But I do find that in the grouppodcast conversation just like
it does when we add one moregirlfriend to the kitchen table,
when we're like cooking andtalking and doing all the things
it adds more layers to it right, and so I'm super excited about
that.
We'll just let it flow.
We'll just let it flow rightand the people will decide.
The people always decide.
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So today we've come together totalk about this book.
That really grabbed me.
I'm trying to even think backto when I first was exposed to
this book.
I think I was just kind offlipping through maybe a health
podcast journal or whatever, andthey mentioned this book,
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outlive by Peter Atea, being aninfluential book for them, and I
was like, huh, outlive, whatcould that possibly mean?
Outlive what.
So I downloaded it on Audible,started reading it during a
business trip and then I think Ihad brunch with you, christina,
right after I started it, and Iwas like, oh, my goodness, I'm
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reading this book, we need totalk about it.
And then you were like, yes, weneed to talk about that and
we've got to bring in Angela.
I feel like I have the matchpair.
I've got the medical physician,I've got the health coach, who
understands functional nutritionand exercise and all the things
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.
So we got the right team hereand you got me, who just wants
to know, wants to know how to doit, right, right.
So I don't know the mostimportant factor, right, like, I
just want to know.
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You're like, you're like the reality check button.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think maybe right.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Or or yes, here you are.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
For Dummies version?
I don't know, but you guys know, first and foremost.
What did you think about thebook just before we even go in?
Did it hit for you or was it amiss for you, christina?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Okay, I think it hit for me there was maybe a little
bit of overzealousness on hispart.
You know he gets maybe two, twointo certain things, but it's
definitely a thumbs up becauseit's a really it's becoming a
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more and more important topic.
People are starting to pay moreattention to it as we see our
older friends and relatives andas they need more help, like
memory care, rehab facilities,nursing homes, long term care
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places and you see people livingreally long lives and it's not
just doctors and nurses who seethis, but everybody sees,
everybody has some kind ofexperience with this, be it with
a friend, a family member or apatient.
So it's aging is a big deal andI think he had a big task ahead
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of him the author trying totackle all the components of
aging.
Yeah, and some of thecomponents he went into maybe
too much detail and some of thecomponents not as much detail
for some people, but the overalltopic was like very, very good
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and I think everybody wants toknow what he's getting at.
You know and and try to makelife better for ourselves and
for our you know, our friendsand family.
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So your thumbs up?
All right, angela.
Thumbs up, thumbs down.
In the middle what?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
for me it was thumbs up to.
But yeah, there are certainthings because it's like my
profession and he had like themedical part in a book where he
built really deep into it and Ithink it really hits you.
It's like a wake up call.
So when you go through thefirst chapters you're getting
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like, oh my gosh, I was likethis, that's me.
Oh my god, is this coming at me?
It's like I really.
And of course you have familymembers who went through this
and like, oh my god, my, my dador my grandma, and oh my gosh,
is this like genetic orsomething?
And he explains the in realdetail and where I think he
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could have gone a little bitdeeper.
But this is because it's whatI'm doing.
That's the nutrition andworkouts part where I because I
live it every day and I workwith clients every day, so I'm
way more detailed in that partand he addressed just a couple
things.
But it was very, very good.
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And I liked also that hementioned his personal story in
the book and that makes youunderstand way better why he
wrote the book and how he got tothis and the whole take on how
he approaches it in hisprofessional career and his
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private life.
So, yeah, I definitely liked it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But it's intense.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I thought it was very intense.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's intense for sure , even in the beginning, right.
But I kind of feel like almostto the combination of what you
both said I felt like he justboom, jumped us right in there,
right in there, right.
I cannot take any time to setthe stage for you to be ready
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for what was about to come.
He was like let's talk about,let's talk about healthcare,
let's talk about not inhealthcare, let's talk about
medicine.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, like let's talk about lipids, let's talk about
molecular biology, let's talkabout, like, the pathology of
the aging mind.
I mean, some of that stuff isheavy for me to even like listen
to, like the let's even talkabout proteins.
(15:01):
Yeah, like the wife.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He was like let's talk about death, like I mean,
if I'm very honest, that's thepiece that for a lot of us, is
the piece that's like e why am Igoing to keep reading this?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
What I thought to know is like he did not.
He talked about lifespan, butfor him it was about health span
and that this is actually adifferent.
It's not that we want to livefor 120, 130, 150.
We want to live to 80 and 90,but being able to play with the
grandkids, being able to playtennis, being able to shop on
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your own, like this is all likewhat he addressed and what I
actually like.
He picked the four diseaseswhat are going to kill us very
slowly and what was it?
Heart disease, alzheimer'scancers and metabolic metabolic
disease.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
They're the generative neurogenerative.
Is that all right?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pretty column, not the huntsman the the horsemen,
the horsemen, yes, yes.
So there, I thought there werelike three, I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What did you think it was Okay?
So this is what.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I understood from it there are three horsemen.
That's it three, but metabolismaffects all three.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I understood cancer, alzheimer, heart disease and
metabolic disease, and insulinresistance is the cause.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
That, that's what it is so that's you have.
Number one is heart disease, iscardiovascular disease.
That's what kills most people.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And is that, and for sure most women right is?
Is that yes?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Oh, yes, everybody puts so much focus on breast
cancer and cancer and cancer,but no, the biggest killer of
people in the United States isheart disease and it gets not as
much press as you know.
Breast cancer awareness and,like cancer, cancer is like so
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much.
Well, he said it, cancer is somuch more difficult to prevent
because it's we don't find.
I mean prevention is more likewith cardiovascular.
We know about a lot of thepreventable factors.
So don't smoke, exercise, keepa healthy weight, keep a healthy
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diet, those types of things.
Now, when you're talking aboutcancer prevention, the only
thing that we really know aboutto prevent it is don't smoke or
drink in excess.
Now he sort of touched on that.
He thinks metabolism hassomething to do with that as
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well.
Yeah, but that's still quitedifficult to uncover because of
so many of the variations incells that become cancerous,
cause there are so many likegenetic mutations that it's hard
to pinpoint if they'respontaneously becoming that way,
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genetically becoming that way,or is there inflammation or
something coming from likemetabolism?
So that's hard to find thatbecause cancer cells are so like
genetically diverse, they'recrazy diverse.
And then the other horseman isthe neurodegenerative, and that
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has many factors as well.
So there are.
There is a cardiovascular wayto become neurodegenerative
where you have like or bloodflow blockages in your coronary
arteries and that's part of likesmoking and it's like
cardiovascular disease too andyou stroke.
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But then you know, metabolismcan have a lot to play there and
there's other factors with, youknow, your brain decaying, like
alcohol and not for the lot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
See for me Alzheimer's.
I always call it diabetes, typethree.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right, so metabolism has a play in almost everything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So Tell us more about that.
What do you call some, as youcall diabetes type three, type
three?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, that's what I like.
If we talk about Alzheimer's,is diabetes, type three.
And again, this is the thingabout like the insulin
resistance in not having whatChristina just said a healthy
metabolism.
And what I loved about thisbook and see, this is now where
I'm coming from and this waslike also a hot moment for me.
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His title for what was it?
Exercise.
He called it.
It was the most powerfullongevity drug.
Yes, Hallelujah.
Thank you.
Yes, it was like a hot moment,because what he's talking about
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is that those diseases arecreated by unhealthy muscle and
unhealthy muscle meaning that hehad such a good explanation
it's like a bathtub where it'slike shut and water is coming in
and the water cannot go out andit's over spilling.
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And that's basically like thefood we are overeating, so we
are overfed and he's buildingthat wonderful bridge.
So this is what's happening.
Usually we store everything inour muscle and in our
bloodstream and he gets into,like the glucose, how we measure
it and all that, and if thisgets overflowing too much, we
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over spill.
We cannot store this excesscalories in body fat and muscle
anymore, like in glucose form inthe muscle, so we're actually
storing excess fats in the liveror in the muscle.
We get fatty muscle, not goodquality muscle, it's not really
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working.
We get insulin resistant thereis that there's some not working
and we store it in visceralfats in the organs, so on places
we do not want to have the fathere's where it goes gets worse.
So now you have a fatty musclenot functioning.
You're probably not exercising,you keep overeating and this
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spirals down and then youdevelop all those diseases he
was talking about in an earlyage.
This is not like in yourfifties, that you wake up oops,
I'm having practices.
Or oh, now I have Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now it starts very early.
It's like a slow burn, right.
Because I mean, I think thething that hit me, you know, as
the true layperson here, was healmost called out that he could
typecast a profile and, withsome reasonable prediction,
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articulate which of the fourhorsemen is probably going to
start revealing itself andshowing up, right and all just
from you know, not just thegenetic makeup but lifestyle
voices.
And that blew my mind because Ithink, up to this point, so
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much time, so much, things youhear about are all about
genetics.
It's genetics, right?
Well, your mama had this,you're gonna have it.
Even the questionnaire you know, doc, hey, even the
questionnaire that Docs give uswhen we go to the doc, it's all
about your daddy and your mamaand da, da, da, da.
Very few of thosequestionnaires say hey, what's
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your lifestyle like?
Are you traveling a lot?
Are you sitting a lot?
Like very few?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Now, you know the doc asks if you get like occasional
exercise, moderate heavy.
It asks you if you smoke, drinkcaffeine.
If that's it, it's just like afew factors.
Yeah, it stops.
But now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Docs like you who I just happened to be able to say
you double click right, you getto know, but that's not the norm
.
It's not the norm, yeah no,unfortunately not.
Yeah, oh yes, if you don't knowthat if you don't know that, if
you don't double click as adoctor to know all these things
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that aren't in the questionnaire, right, and you only have the
basis of history, you're almostgoing to treat to the ultimate
conclusion.
Isn't that great?
Am I wrong Like that?
Like I got chills when Ithought about how-.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
What I think To be treat to the conclusion.
I'm sorry, I'm not following.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So if so, okay.
So what does that mean?
Because it probably makes notmuch sense.
But if you're looking at thequestionnaire, right, and it
talks about my mama having acertain medical condition, on my
daddy having a certain medicalcondition, and the questionnaire
doesn't have the double clicksthat go into my lifestyle, that
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I'm layering on top of thosethings, there's a predisposition
, that another physician notmine could go down a path to say
you are predisposed to highblood pressure because your mama
has high blood pressure, versussaying you're predisposed to
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high blood pressure because yourdiet looks like this, your
sleep pattern looks like this,your exercise looks like this
right, Instead of allowing me tostand distinctly on my own as
an entity, with that being thedouble click plus, it's exactly
the reverse.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
All right, I'm gonna be very honest.
Yeah, medicine today isn't evenlooking at any of that, that
family history questionnaire.
Well, when it comes to OBGYNand that is what I am we're
looking at that family historyquestionnaire as a predictor of
cancer.
So maybe primary care shouldlook at it a little more and say
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oh, I mean.
I do.
I look at it and like, if Iorder like a cholesterol panel
on you or I see your bloodpressure is high and I see that
you have a family history likethat, I'm just like, well, you
know you're?
You know, yesterday we hadsomeone who was very, what did
she do?
She immigrated here fromFinland.
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Like, okay, she's very active,she's very healthy At her blood
pressure.
We almost sent her to theemergency room because she
doesn't wanna take bloodpressure medicine and her mom
has high blood pressure andshe's trying to, you know, and
I'm like, okay, so I think youhave something.
You've been fighting it andyou're doing a good job, but I
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think your genetics are probablygonna take you down that road
and I could see that in herurine test that she has some
kidney damage already.
She's 52.
So but when you're talkingabout the medicine right now,
I'm gonna be very honest withyou and he said it in the book
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yeah, it's not doing so well,it's not.
So when you see a doctor or aPA or a nurse practitioner,
you're not getting customizedmedical care.
You are not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
See what I like he said.
He didn't talk aboutpreventative, he talked about
pro-active.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's medicine 2.0.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
It's medicine 2.0.
And it is.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And the thing is, because of the way that it's
sort of set up here is like wedon't have that much time with
you and so if you have enoughmoney and you get a concierge
doctor, you're going to getbetter medical care, and that's
the truth.
So it's got worse.
It's got worse over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Because now it's a business.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's a business.
It's not just that we'reworking harder and faster than
ever because the demands aregreater, because of the flow of
information coming in faster andwe're trying to have to sort
through that fast-pacedinformation that's coming at us.
So it's not just coming at uswith research and we're having
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to like, read it, but yourresults are coming in faster and
faster and faster through acomputer.
So we're trying to sift, sift,sift, sift, and then we're
trying to see you and you have a15-minute slot.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, wait.
I don't typically try to keepmy slots for annual exams 30
minutes so that we have enoughtime, wow.
But many times it isn't eventhat, because if someone comes
in with a problem, you're double.
You're seeing something, you'regoing to be double booked and I
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have to try to.
Yeah, and there's a shortage.
There's a shortage of primarycares and people have a
difficult time getting in with aprimary care or a primary care
that takes their insurance.
So there is kind of a crisisand it's really what it is.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I love it.
Yeah, this is a mess.
It's a medicine to put on.
I love that Because this islike going in a whole other yeah
.
Yeah, this is a crisis, right,because we talk about the crisis
in the sense of you know, likewe said, healthcare costs and
all that stuff.
But what I'm hearing you say is, well, it's actually capacity,
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it's actually think about thebusiness challenges that you're
solving in a corporate sense orin a business sense, right?
You need the capacity to be ableto manage, to demand.
And if that capacity doesn'texist, you're either going to
get efficient at the risk of thequality, quite frankly right or
(30:12):
you're going to have abottleneck that just pushes
everything back for everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And it's really not necessarily like.
You can't even say it's a moneything, it's just an information
highway.
It's an information highwaything.
It's really fast-paced.
We're trying to keep on top ofall this biopsies coming in and
telling people their results andresearch coming in fast and
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keeping up to date and seeingpeople.
It's just, you know, we'regetting the information fast and
it's really hard to stay, Idon't know see all the people
and do a good job with all thisinput.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What do you think, Angela?
What are you hearing?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, I totally get it.
And this is the other flip side.
On my side, when I have clientsas a health coach, it's very
personal.
I work with clients a very longtime.
I work with the doctor and whatI do is basically it's very
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individual and it's all aboutthat person at that moment.
Of course it's a different.
It's all about health.
You know, I can't diagnose, Ican't, but we are doing the
proactive stuff.
So if clients come to me, yeah,I spend a lot, a lot of time
with them.
It is a six months, 12 monthsprocess and they only this is
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the funny thing, because this isthe flip side they want the
quick fix, so they go to thedoctor and they want a
prescription.
It's a very interesting thingbecause this is now my side,
explaining the foundation thatwe need to do and all the work.
This is the well, this is veryhard and this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That part is actually the interesting dichotomy
between what we just heardChristina say, right, right and
what you're saying is, even whenyou break this down and you
realize that the tools that willhelp you to sustain a healthy
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lifestyle are non-medical mostof the time, right, exactly,
exactly, you know, but we areconditioned to want that fix,
quick, right.
So we'll go back and we wantthe medicine, without
appreciating that the medicineis what can put us in the
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tailspin to begin with.
Yeah, Wow, that's so crazy.
That just helps somebody, thatliterally just helps somebody.
But just to frame it, let'sframe it around this fictitious
character that comes into youroffice and has this high blood
pressure, has this familyhistory of high blood pressure
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and doesn't want medicine.
Doesn't want medicine, right?
How do you get your head aroundpoaching someone to take the
more holistic, organic path thatallows food to be medicine,
that allows lifestyle to behealthier?
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How do you walk that fine line,right, right?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, yeah, this is like the thing, so I don't know
if that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Give us the thing.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I'm not sure if that was the best example.
She needed medicine or she'sgoing to have a stroke?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But, I think, that's something to that, because I
actually know someone in my lifetoo, literally right now, who
is resisting medicine because ofthe mindset that medicine leads
to bad things.
But I believe I personallybelieve that if God created it
all, I have to believe that allof it's good and it's safe.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Okay, so here's the thing.
So, when it comes to certainfactors, many, many years ago we
did not treat high bloodpressure because we didn't have
medication for it.
People died at 65 because of aheart attack or stroke, and then
they just died and we said,well, they were just old, but
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high blood pressure, we actuallydo have good medications for it
.
I mean, of course you want tolose weight, of course you want
to exercise, of course you wantto decrease stress, and this
woman was doing all of thosethings.
And it wasn't working.
She'd been to the ER withmigraine headaches and tingling
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down her arms and now we areseeing in her urine because we
dipped it that there was someprotein.
So her kidneys are starting tohave some damage.
I'm like cut right there, oneof the most I said to her.
One of the most common reasonswhy people have renal failure or
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kidney transplant is because ofuntreated high blood pressure.
Wow.
So there comes a point rightthat I'm like and she goes how
do I reverse that?
I said kidney damage is notreally reverse.
You have to fight.
You've got to know when it'sthe right time to take medicine.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So there's a thing called emergency.
She's already been in a healer.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's medicine 2.0.
I think medicine is really goodIf something's broken, if
something's burst, if somethingcan be cut out or something.
Then we go to medicine 2.0.
Now, medicine 3.0 would havebeen if she would have started
in her 20s or 30s, complete,always be on baseline target all
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her life.
How old is she, Christina, 52.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But if you listen to what Christina said, though,
Angela, there are somesituations that are just going
to be right, and so now I'mgoing to be.
She's a skinny woman and she'slike so that's right.
So there's some situations thatare just going to be right.
How do we get our head around?
(36:34):
How do we allow the messagingout there to not be so black or
white, right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right, because I think everybody's different.
So there is bio-individualityand we have to find this is also
in the book Like he has certainsystems and he believes in
those systems.
Let's say about working out orabout diet and about and he is,
(37:04):
I think, in his book also veryblack and white.
And I don't agree with thatbecause everybody's different.
So, yeah, we do whatever we canfor that person and if it
doesn't, it's interesting to.
In every decade you'redifferent.
The diet would work for me inmy 20s, doesn't work for me now,
in my 40s, it doesn't workanymore.
Girl talk I'm, but yeah, itchanges.
(37:26):
So we have to make adjustmentsand we have to listen to our
body and have to find this thisis my favorite word balance.
I think I never find balance,but I'm trying.
I catch myself not beingbalanced.
But there is this fine line andI think if we listen to this
and we do our best, there is away that we can make it work.
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And do we have to do highintensity workouts on top of our
stressful job and on top oftaking care of kids and on top
of?
No, we don't.
I don't agree with that.
Like we can't go extreme,saying oh, because of if I only
do this extreme workout, thatextends my health?
No, it doesn't.
So there is a fine balance,what we have to do the dance
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with and we have to find theoptimum in our lifestyle and
what works for us.
And I'm telling you, if, yeah,recommended you should do zone
two training every day for 45 to60 minutes.
Who can do that?
It's not what you can put intoa regular person's lifestyle.
If you can do a cardio training, a brisk walk twice a week,
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it's better than nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
That's right, so that has to be.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know what I will say too.
What comes up for me when yousay that is too often when we
read books and I'm not pickingon Peter anymore, I'm picking on
all the books out there, right,yeah?
So there's this prescriptiveregimen that sort of makes this
hypothesis about if you do thesethings, then you're going to
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dot, dot, dot, right, Right.
A couple of things that I'mtaking away.
One when it comes to our stateof being, there are many factors
, no different than just aboutanything that we do.
There are many factors, andthey all need to be considered,
but it's personal, right?
So those factors that are mineare different than yours, Angela
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, are different than yours,Christina, right?
So it's the whole thing, right.
And then the other thing is, aswe think about lifestyle, this
notion of balance, while it is areally hard thing for a lot of
us to get our head around forsure me.
But what I've started thinkingabout is stop thinking about it
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being in a 24-hour day 50%, 50%and more.
Think about it in the contextof a seven-day week, right?
And am I making the bestchoices in a seven-day week,
such that I'm winning on thescale?
(40:09):
And I heard someone, reallycool, told me 51% wins.
Who told me that 51% wins?
Tell us about that, Angela,because I think that that is a
brilliant way to take, honestly,to take some of the blood
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pressure-raising stress out ofthe whole matter, right.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
For me it's.
I see this a lot in my clients.
They want to give 100 percentall the time.
100 percent, 100 percent.
Then I come to their homes orthey come to me and we work out
and they're all stressed anddidn't sleep well.
They're like this is not goingto be a good workout, let's just
cancel it.
No, no, no, no, no.
(40:57):
Today you didn't sleep, baby,real good and you had a
stressful day.
It's okay, but we do whateverwe can and we make the best out
of it.
But you're here and you'reshowing up and you're giving 51
percent and that matters.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
You're here, you're showing up.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And I have to say Christina is one of the best
examples for that.
No, matter what she fights,sometimes through the days and
stuff, and I can tell she'stired, but she is doing her
workout and she is accomplishingthe 51 percent.
She's one of the very goodexamples of being consistent and
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living it.
Exactly what I just said.
You do not have to give all thetime 100 percent, the 51
percent, these are the ones thatmatters showing up and doing it
, not quitting.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, I think maybe in the book he's bringing up a
lot of great topics about thehorsemen, the things that can
kill us or debilitate us.
And now what are the things wecan do to expand our good times
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in the latter 10 years of ourlife and just shrink down the
suffering?
And I know in this one part ofthe book he said, well, I
wouldn't rely too much onpersonal trainers and blah, blah
, blah.
I think what he a tool orsomething he might have used as
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a health coach.
And that is what Angela is.
She is a health coach and thisis somebody that you can get
used to help to customize thisthing that we say lifestyle,
this customize our lifestyle sothat it can fit into our life.
(43:05):
So let me give you someconcrete examples of that.
Go for it and it has a pertainto me, but you know All good.
And now when I met Angelaseveral years ago, because I was
going to LA Fitness and Idecided to get some personal
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training there and then thepersonal trainer I was with left
and then they put me withAngela and it was really great.
You know, it's been a great fitand then over the years, I've
learned.
Some of you know the thingsthat she has taught me.
So, okay, yeah, if you packyour lunch and you take it with
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you to work, you know, and I Ido not food prep all day.
I'm not good at it, like youknow, for the week, but I'm very
good at my breakfast and mylunch.
Let's get that dinner down,right.
So, uh, you know how you take.
(44:10):
If you take your lunch with you,you'll take it in like a bag,
right, and it's like aninsulated bag and maybe it's
ugly, all right, she told meabout this website called six
pack bags, woo Lava resource.
Six pack bags is great.
So six pack bags.
I have a backpack.
It's a little black nylonbackpack that's insulated and it
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doesn't look like a stinkingold insulated cooler right, but
it has little ice packs and itcomes with some, you know,
plastic containers in there oryou don't have to use their
containers, use whatever youwant and it has room inside to
put like maybe you know yourwater bottle I put in there, I
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fill it up with my water, myYeti cooler.
There's room in there to putyour silverware, your apple,
your dried snacks and things.
And I've learned some certainyou know snacks that she's told
me about that are really greatand taste good and they're quick
(45:17):
and grab them.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
What are they?
You got to share them, oh,great, interesting.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, so I like, I like those snacks by rhythm.
You know, they're like driedveggies.
Yeah, some of them are good andsome of them are not.
But the ones that I like.
They sound really weird.
It's dried cauliflower and theyare very crunchy and yummy.
(45:42):
The sea salt is good.
They're white cheddar, which isnot white cheddar.
It's made with nutritionalyeast, which sounds weird, but
it tastes great.
That's good too.
Sometimes the quality of it Idon't find it great.
There are times that I'll get abag and I'm like, oh Jesus,
some air must have gotten inhere and it's like chewy.
(46:02):
It's not crunchy anymore andthat pisses me off.
But most, 90% of the time,they're good, they're spot on.
You know, I do have a foodscale at home and I do weigh and
measure my breakfast and mylunch, so I put the plate on it
and my fruit and vegetables andwhatever, what else.
(46:26):
I guess I do pay a lot of extramoney for caught up fruit,
because that's what works.
I'm not going to cut it up.
It's not fast enough for me.
Yeah, that's another thing,protein.
So a protein powder that Ireally love is by Vega, v-e-g-a
(46:49):
Vega, and I've tried differentVega protein powders, but I go
with the Vega Sport because I'mnot sure what it is, because
when you mix it it's just reallydissolves really well, and I
love the Vega Sport chocolate.
The vanilla is awesome too.
You could customize the vanillato anything you want, like.
(47:11):
I think it's a good base.
So like we ran out of chocolatetoday here.
So if I have some good cacaopowder, I just put a tablespoon
of that in there.
It turned into chocolate.
Or you could put some powderedpeanut butter in there and a
little chocolate and you canmake a chocolate peanut butter.
So the Vega Sport protein isgreat.
(47:33):
If you're looking for somethingsweet and yummy, there's a
really cool company.
You should tell me about what'sthat one.
Oh, king Line.
It's one word King Line.
They make these protein buttersand they taste so good.
I stopped buying them, though,for a while, because, let me
tell you, they are so good thatI'll just eat them out of the
(47:57):
jar, and that's not balanced,and they make a protein brittle.
It's like peanut brittle, butit's healthy.
Yeah, but that's.
I am so addicted to it, like Ican't, like the jar won't last,
like I'm going to just be honest.
So I had to put the kibosh onthe King Line for a bit.
(48:20):
But if you want to try that andyou're better at that than me
go for it.
What else do we do around here?
We got the.
I mean, I found this one on myown and I told you she heard
about the daily harvest, dailyharvest, so we get it comes on
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dry ice and they're like there'sa cauliflower, a bag of
cauliflower rice with somelittle lentils in there and some
black rice, and that one's good.
But a lot of them are smoothies.
Now, I don't like to do a lotof smoothies for myself because,
like Angela told me, she likeit's a lot of fruit smoothies.
Like Peter said, you know it'stoo much ground up sugar from
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the fruits, right, but mydaughter, she does a lot of the
smoothies, although if I do asmoothie I'll put the powder,
like the, the Vega powder, in it, and so then there's protein in
it.
It'll last me longer because Idid have a protein.
I had a the mint cacao smoothieat lunch with a scoop of the
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Vega protein powder in it andthat way I felt much more
satisfied for longer.
So those are some concreteexamples of, I think, how a
health coach could kind of learnwho you are and learn like what
your rhythm is with your homelife and your work and like kind
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of find these things that willfit there, like okay.
So now I got my backpack withmy food, I got some protein
powder and some shakes, and thenshe's really good with the
workouts because she doesn'tover train you.
It's not like a trainer thatyou think is going to just yell
(50:14):
at you and boot camp you, and soshe customizes it and makes it
very meaningful so that youbuild muscle in a safe,
effective way, and I love it.
It sounds gentle.
I think he needed to say likeyou need to use a health coach.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
All right, come on, let's hear the health coach,
angela, tell us where we'reright and where we're wrong.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I just want to reflect.
I mean, thank you, christina.
But yeah, with Christina, whenI started working with her, she
didn't have a lot of muscle.
She was in a very stressfullife situation at that moment.
There was a lot going on andwhat we actually did, we toned
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down the intensity of theworkouts and I wanted to build
robust muscle.
Muscle is the body armor.
This is what keeps you goingand this will also help you to
shed the body fat, and that waslike one of her goals.
So I focused on literallyputting on quality muscle and
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creating a healthy tissue.
And then what I love, what shejust described she was she loves
food, as you can tell, like shecan really give you good tips
and she's a very good cook.
But she mentioned it all thetime and this is what the whole
purpose was of this nutritionchange.
She always talks about protein.
(51:51):
Yes, christina's meals are veryhealthy, but she always has a
robust amount of protein as wellto feed the muscle.
So she was healing hermetabolism, she was building the
muscle, she was shedding offthe body fat and she got going
and calmed her whole system downand her metabolism is like
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clockwork now.
She can do whatever she wants.
As soon as she pulls it out ona diet or whatever she does, the
body reacts.
She's very, very healthy andvery good and very strong and
she accomplished a wonderfulgoal and she's at that level and
she's holding and maintainingit.
Now there is really, like Isaid, at that point she has a
(52:40):
flexibility and a food freedomand she's doing the dance.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
She's doing the dance .
Yes, the dance, the dance.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
So you guys, that is actually the phrase of.
I think this talks so much,right?
I think it's the dance, thedance.
Yes, and that's a perfectcaptioning because you know,
kind of getting back to my point, there's so many options that
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we all have.
There's so many workouts you canchoose.
There's so many, so many, somany.
I think for me, I'm in a seasonwhere it's the fluidity that
feels nice to my body.
It's waking up one morning andacknowledging that I flew all
day the day before and my bodyis telling me I need to ease
(53:36):
into my day and I need to feelthe sun or feel the breeze and
just get moving, just move.
Or there could be anothermorning where I wake up fully
rested and I feel like I justneed the intensity, or it could
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be two of those different thingsin the same day.
And so I think if there's onething that I'm evolving to still
so much baby steps to learnunder Angela's umbrella is just
let go of this notion of oneapproach and just start to allow
your body and your feel, yourwhole body, your whole self.
(54:22):
Start to allow it to talk toyou.
It'll even tell you whatsupplements you might need that
day.
As I'm getting a little bitbetter at it, I'm also seeing
that every day you don't feellike you need the fish oil,
right, because you ate a wholebunch of fish the night before
and you're eating fish that sameday, right?
(54:45):
It's a time where I didn'tthink about it that way.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are so out of touch
that they don't know anymorewhat healthy feels.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yes, and actually being able to experience this.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
I would wish that's for everybody, that they would
give themselves the chance toactually get started and
experience it and live throughit and actually feel awake and
healthy, and then they know whatto do, can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I'm gonna tell you even one more on that that you
just said.
I would venture to say thereare a lot of people that don't
really know what hunger painsfeel like.
Yeah, like literally.
We don't.
We're so regimented with eithersix foods a day or three and
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all the things that we just wewake up and it's just what you
do you eat.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
But you know what, Bonnie, what you said, I think
this was a great.
Okay, this was mindset.
Hunger used to feel pain.
For me, hunger is like, oh yay,I'm burning body fat right now
I'm at that point, for, yes, I'mat it.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Reframe.
I do not eat right now.
Reframe.
Oh yeah, it's not pain.
It's not pain.
No, it's not pain.
My body's working for me.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
It's actually telling me my body's tapping into the
body fat.
That's what I want.
So this little brown in here,yes, I want to feel it, I really
do.
It's not pain, it's actually mybody saying hello.
I'm burning body fat right nowand I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
It's probably good for your other systems too, like
your brain and your organs, tojust like he even said it in the
book that there are certainlike pathways that are being
turned on.
I think he was saying, Foxo,he's talking about your stuff.
That was, yeah, turning on whenyou have hunger and we're not
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allowing ourselves to have thathunger or we have too much
access to quench the hunger, andthat is something that might
not be supporting us long term.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Wow, and that'll take us down a whole path of
intermittent fasting andthinking about breakfast in a
different way.
And it's not breakfast becauseit's 6 AM and I just woke up.
It's breakfast because it's myfirst meal of the day, and
that's when it is right.
(57:35):
Right, there's a whole path,you guys.
I feel like we have only justscratched the surface, but I
feel like there are some themesthat really come loud and clear,
and I'll just summarize a fewof what I think, and then I'll
let you guys weigh in on whatelse you think would be notable
for folks that are enjoying thisconversation with us.
(57:59):
One I would say is that we ownour health care.
Yep, and gone are the days of Ihave my doctor and I go to my
appointments annually and lifeis good Because we just heard
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and have to acknowledge that youcan have the best, most
compassionate, most skilleddoctor.
But the math isn't mathy whenit comes to having the ability
to really root in there on everyaspect with everybody, and so
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that was a big takeaway for me.
The second one would be when Istart to really tap in to whole
living for myself.
I am not just thinking about itone dimensional.
It is diet, it is exercise, itis mental clarity and how all
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those things sort of cometogether and manifest themselves
for me.
And being tapped in in tune forme is being available to just
kind of go with the flow,sometimes right, and be gentle
and kind to myself.
So that's what I'm taking away,all right, so I'm going to go
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next, Christina, and then we'lllet Angela take us home.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Christina, what do you think?
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Oh, you want me to take us home, or Angela?
Speaker 1 (59:44):
Angela is going to take us home, unless you have
any.
Do you want to add some more towhat I said?
No, I think.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
I think I'll just briefly.
It ties into what Angela saidand it's that 51%.
It's that balance, so itdoesn't have to be like all or
nothing and we want to just getinto a good zone when it comes
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to food, exercise and activity,sleep and stress reduction.
That's really important.
Medicine 2.0 can help us, butthose things are your foundation
and don't stress too much aboutit.
Go for that 51%.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
All right, I love it.
All right, angela, take us home.
Health coach.
Health coach All right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well, we heard a lot of things today what we can do
and I think if you pick threethings and have a goal of doing
just those three things a day asa little checklist and this is
like the promise to yourselfthat you want to do something
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good for you, for yourself thenpick those three things and make
it like reachable.
Don't set the goals too crazy,too high.
Be realistic, do step-by-stepapproaches and then improve by
this like the next step, andthen the next step, and then the
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next step.
Don't look at the top of themountain immediately.
Start on the base and just gostep-by-step and reach new goals
and then one day we'll be ontop of the mountain and you will
enjoy the view, but you don'thave to look up the mountain
right away.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Ooh Y'all.
This is good.
This is so good.
I am so sure that more than mehas been truly blessed by this
conversation.
Thank you both.
You're both very busy.
You're doing goodness in theworld and that's why I wanted to
pull your voices front here.
If you want to be coached byAngela, who is scaling her
(01:02:02):
business now to go beyond folksthat meet with her in person but
to be accessible and availableto folks that are literally
around the world, you cancontact her on Instagram at
healthcoachangela, and I thinkthat's going to be the best
place to follow her and to getinformation around some of the
(01:02:25):
cool things that she's launchingin her business.
Christina did an excellent jobof giving us some sneak peek
into some of the coaching, andjust stay tuned here.
Soon I'll be doing some more,but I tell you what it is really
just a gift to be able to sharethe thinking for both of you,
because so much of us are notonly caring for ourselves.
(01:02:47):
We're caring for others andwe're trying to create healthy
strategies, healthy lifestylesthat this next generation, quite
frankly, that's following us.
They're going to write theticket for what that 3.0 looks
like, because they will have anew baseline in what we've had,
so I'm super grateful to knowyou both and to be able to call
(01:03:10):
you both friends.
Thank you for so much forjoining us, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Thank you, Chandra.
Hello, proven, not perfect, community, welcome to
2024.
I hope that you tied up 2023.
That's what I said Tied it up.
I didn't say tied up good, Ididn't say tied up strong.
I just said tie it up, it'sover, it's behind us.
Hello, it's a wrap.
(00:23):
So, whatever was waiting foryou in 2024, we're open to it.
That's what I'm talking about.
We're open to it.
And so I've been sort of teasingthis new season to start 2024,
which is all about you, allabout me, all about health, full
(00:44):
disclosure.
I feel like 2023 and 2022 triedto give me some health swerves
and, by the grace of God, reallyyes, really, by the grace of
God the swerves literally werejust that a swerve, and I truly
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believe in my heart that theexperience that I had was to
bring forward the ever importanttopic of health, health matters
for women.
Okay, now I know my listenersare not all women and trust and
know that all are welcome here,but just also know that I'm
(01:26):
pretty clear that I'm rockingwith the women here and I'm
trying to help those stretchedmommies, wives, corporate
executives, business leaders,entrepreneurs, artists, scholars
, academics, all the things.
Nonprofit leaders I can keepgoing.
(01:47):
Church leaders I can keep going.
We are called to do somemassive and amazing things as
women, and one of the thingsthat resonates for me as I go
into 2024 is that we are anchorsin the places where we inhabit.
We really are.
Whether you think about thatcommunity service group, or you
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think about church, or you thinkabout home or you think about
the office, really give yourselfa second to step back and think
about how you show up and howoften that is as an anchor what?
Yes, we are anchors.
So if we are an anchor, we needto make sure that we are
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anchoring to soil that is deepand rich and solid and strong to
hold us as anchors sometimesget a little loose and rock and
move.
Well, guess what happens?
If the anchor rocks and move,everything connected to it does
as well.
Right, yes, you know this.
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I'm not telling you anythingthat you don't know, but what I
am bringing to mind is howimportant it is for us to step
into 2024 thinking about our ownselves.
Now I am not naive tounderstand that there are season
in our lives and trust and knowthat I intimately know what I
talk about where we increase ascaregivers for others and it can
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feel really, really hard tomake space for our own self when
we increase as caregivers forothers.
But it is at that time that weactually need to pour into our
soil for anchoring even more, soit doesn't have to be massively
big.
You guys, when I would wake upearly in the morning, like 5am,
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with three babies in the roomsdown the hall and know that I
needed to get up and get readyto go lead an organization, I
knew that turning the lights onwould start a regimen that I was
not ready for, but I also knewthat I needed to anchor myself.
Thank God for the cell phonesnow, because it's a little bit
(04:05):
easier.
You don't need a flashlight inyour Bible under the bed.
You can actually pull out yourBible, turn on an app and be in
the dark pouring into yourspirit right there in the bed
with no disruption to anyoneelse in the house, and then
leave and, cooler, you can reachover to your nightstand where
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you left a 16 ounce bottle ofwater the night before and you
can drink it all before yourfeet ever get the floor.
And then, just as cool, you canease on down to the floor and
you can stretch out and startstretching your limbs what all
of that and look if you'rereally still feeling like, okay,
(04:49):
I can do this, you can startdoing those bicycles, you can
start doing those crunches, youcan flip over and you can start
doing those push-ups.
What I'm trying to say is thatour minds try to take us out and
tell us that there's so muchgoing on for us, the weight of
the world is so heavy that wejust can't take care of
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ourselves at this moment.
But the reality is, first andforemost, if you're a Christian,
you know, like I know, thatweight isn't ours.
That weight we are to give, weare to turn over, we are to rest
in giving it away to Jesus, whois right there waiting arm
stretch to take it.
That's the first thing.
The second thing is, if youactually get on the ground and
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start doing the things, man, youwill just feel it roll away.
You might even sweat a littlebit.
Okay, that's my message Prethis amazing launch of 2024
Conversations on Health.
Today we're talking to CoachAngela, health Coach Angela.
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I had her on in 2023.
She's a former world-classbodybuilder.
Yes, that's right.
She has a fantastic story.
So if you haven't heard thatstory, please go back in 2023
and take a listen.
The other guest is Dr ChristinaZelinas, who is an OBGYN out of
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Naples, florida.
She is a rock star, frequentlylisted as one of the best
doctors.
She is the best doctor, and,yeah, so we're.
And also, if you want to hearmore about her backstory, there
was a podcast that was done withher in 2022.
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Yes, 2022.
So you can get the backstorieson both of the people.
But today we're going to talkabout a book called Outlive.
You might be familiar with thisbook.
It hit the shelves in the lastyear or so and it just ran
across my screen and it pulledme in.
This doctor is a trainedmedical doctor and he's offering
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his perspective on longevityand long life, but what really
struck me is he doesn't justfocus on the fact that you know,
of course we all want to live alonger life, but we want to
live long lives that are qualitylives, and how do we start to
retrain and reframe to supportthose things?
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So I'm not going to sayanything more.
Enjoy the podcast, please,please, please, let me know what
you think.
Hit me up.
Social media, Sean Trappell.
Underscore proven, not perfect.
You can DM me.
Let me know what you liked,what you didn't like, when I
post about the podcast, pleasefeel free to weigh in your
thoughts.
I'm looking forward to being incommunity in this journey, this
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health journey.
I just got off the peloton, sowhat did you do?
All right, enjoy the podcast.
Hi Angela, hi Christina, hi, hiY'all.
I am excited about this podcast.
First of all, this is only thesecond time that I've had two
people at the same time on thepodcast, so I think I'm okay at
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it.
But I do find that in the grouppodcast conversation just like
it does when we add one moregirlfriend to the kitchen table,
when we're like cooking andtalking and doing all the things
it adds more layers to it right, and so I'm super excited about
that.
We'll just let it flow.
We'll just let it flow rightand the people will decide.
The people always decide.
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So today we've come together totalk about this book.
That really grabbed me.
I'm trying to even think backto when I first was exposed to
this book.
I think I was just kind offlipping through maybe a health
podcast journal or whatever, andthey mentioned this book,
(09:06):
outlive by Peter Atea, being aninfluential book for them, and I
was like, huh, outlive, whatcould that possibly mean?
Outlive what.
So I downloaded it on Audible,started reading it during a
business trip and then I think Ihad brunch with you, christina,
right after I started it, and Iwas like, oh, my goodness, I'm
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reading this book, we need totalk about it.
And then you were like, yes, weneed to talk about that and
we've got to bring in Angela.
I feel like I have the matchpair.
I've got the medical physician,I've got the health coach, who
understands functional nutritionand exercise and all the things
(09:52):
.
So we got the right team hereand you got me, who just wants
to know, wants to know how to doit, right, right.
So I don't know the mostimportant factor, right, like, I
just want to know.
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You're like, you're like the reality check button.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think maybe right.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Or or yes, here you are.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
For Dummies version?
I don't know, but you guys know, first and foremost.
What did you think about thebook just before we even go in?
Did it hit for you or was it amiss for you, christina?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Okay, I think it hit for me there was maybe a little
bit of overzealousness on hispart.
You know he gets maybe two, twointo certain things, but it's
definitely a thumbs up becauseit's a really it's becoming a
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more and more important topic.
People are starting to pay moreattention to it as we see our
older friends and relatives andas they need more help, like
memory care, rehab facilities,nursing homes, long term care
(11:14):
places and you see people livingreally long lives and it's not
just doctors and nurses who seethis, but everybody sees,
everybody has some kind ofexperience with this, be it with
a friend, a family member or apatient.
So it's aging is a big deal andI think he had a big task ahead
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of him the author trying totackle all the components of
aging.
Yeah, and some of thecomponents he went into maybe
too much detail and some of thecomponents not as much detail
for some people, but the overalltopic was like very, very good
(12:05):
and I think everybody wants toknow what he's getting at.
You know and and try to makelife better for ourselves and
for our you know, our friendsand family.
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So your thumbs up?
All right, angela.
Thumbs up, thumbs down.
In the middle what?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
for me it was thumbs up to.
But yeah, there are certainthings because it's like my
profession and he had like themedical part in a book where he
built really deep into it and Ithink it really hits you.
It's like a wake up call.
So when you go through thefirst chapters you're getting
(12:51):
like, oh my gosh, I was likethis, that's me.
Oh my god, is this coming at me?
It's like I really.
And of course you have familymembers who went through this
and like, oh my god, my, my dador my grandma, and oh my gosh,
is this like genetic orsomething?
And he explains the in realdetail and where I think he
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could have gone a little bitdeeper.
But this is because it's whatI'm doing.
That's the nutrition andworkouts part where I because I
live it every day and I workwith clients every day, so I'm
way more detailed in that partand he addressed just a couple
things.
But it was very, very good.
(13:38):
And I liked also that hementioned his personal story in
the book and that makes youunderstand way better why he
wrote the book and how he got tothis and the whole take on how
he approaches it in hisprofessional career and his
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private life.
So, yeah, I definitely liked it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But it's intense.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I thought it was very intense.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's intense for sure , even in the beginning, right.
But I kind of feel like almostto the combination of what you
both said I felt like he justboom, jumped us right in there,
right in there, right.
I cannot take any time to setthe stage for you to be ready
(14:28):
for what was about to come.
He was like let's talk about,let's talk about healthcare,
let's talk about not inhealthcare, let's talk about
medicine.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, like let's talk about lipids, let's talk about
molecular biology, let's talkabout, like, the pathology of
the aging mind.
I mean, some of that stuff isheavy for me to even like listen
to, like the let's even talkabout proteins.
(15:01):
Yeah, like the wife.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He was like let's talk about death, like I mean,
if I'm very honest, that's thepiece that for a lot of us, is
the piece that's like e why am Igoing to keep reading this?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
What I thought to know is like he did not.
He talked about lifespan, butfor him it was about health span
and that this is actually adifferent.
It's not that we want to livefor 120, 130, 150.
We want to live to 80 and 90,but being able to play with the
grandkids, being able to playtennis, being able to shop on
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your own, like this is all likewhat he addressed and what I
actually like.
He picked the four diseaseswhat are going to kill us very
slowly and what was it?
Heart disease, alzheimer'scancers and metabolic metabolic
disease.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
They're the generative neurogenerative.
Is that all right?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pretty column, not the huntsman the the horsemen,
the horsemen, yes, yes.
So there, I thought there werelike three, I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What did you think it was Okay?
So this is what.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I understood from it there are three horsemen.
That's it three, but metabolismaffects all three.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I understood cancer, alzheimer, heart disease and
metabolic disease, and insulinresistance is the cause.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
That, that's what it is so that's you have.
Number one is heart disease, iscardiovascular disease.
That's what kills most people.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And is that, and for sure most women right is?
Is that yes?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Oh, yes, everybody puts so much focus on breast
cancer and cancer and cancer,but no, the biggest killer of
people in the United States isheart disease and it gets not as
much press as you know.
Breast cancer awareness and,like cancer, cancer is like so
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much.
Well, he said it, cancer is somuch more difficult to prevent
because it's we don't find.
I mean prevention is more likewith cardiovascular.
We know about a lot of thepreventable factors.
So don't smoke, exercise, keepa healthy weight, keep a healthy
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diet, those types of things.
Now, when you're talking aboutcancer prevention, the only
thing that we really know aboutto prevent it is don't smoke or
drink in excess.
Now he sort of touched on that.
He thinks metabolism hassomething to do with that as
(18:06):
well.
Yeah, but that's still quitedifficult to uncover because of
so many of the variations incells that become cancerous,
cause there are so many likegenetic mutations that it's hard
to pinpoint if they'respontaneously becoming that way,
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genetically becoming that way,or is there inflammation or
something coming from likemetabolism?
So that's hard to find thatbecause cancer cells are so like
genetically diverse, they'recrazy diverse.
And then the other horseman isthe neurodegenerative, and that
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has many factors as well.
So there are.
There is a cardiovascular wayto become neurodegenerative
where you have like or bloodflow blockages in your coronary
arteries and that's part of likesmoking and it's like
cardiovascular disease too andyou stroke.
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But then you know, metabolismcan have a lot to play there and
there's other factors with, youknow, your brain decaying, like
alcohol and not for the lot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
See for me Alzheimer's.
I always call it diabetes, typethree.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right, so metabolism has a play in almost everything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So Tell us more about that.
What do you call some, as youcall diabetes type three, type
three?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, that's what I like.
If we talk about Alzheimer's,is diabetes, type three.
And again, this is the thingabout like the insulin
resistance in not having whatChristina just said a healthy
metabolism.
And what I loved about thisbook and see, this is now where
I'm coming from and this waslike also a hot moment for me.
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His title for what was it?
Exercise.
He called it.
It was the most powerfullongevity drug.
Yes, Hallelujah.
Thank you.
Yes, it was like a hot moment,because what he's talking about
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is that those diseases arecreated by unhealthy muscle and
unhealthy muscle meaning that hehad such a good explanation
it's like a bathtub where it'slike shut and water is coming in
and the water cannot go out andit's over spilling.
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And that's basically like thefood we are overeating, so we
are overfed and he's buildingthat wonderful bridge.
So this is what's happening.
Usually we store everything inour muscle and in our
bloodstream and he gets into,like the glucose, how we measure
it and all that, and if thisgets overflowing too much, we
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over spill.
We cannot store this excesscalories in body fat and muscle
anymore, like in glucose form inthe muscle, so we're actually
storing excess fats in the liveror in the muscle.
We get fatty muscle, not goodquality muscle, it's not really
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working.
We get insulin resistant thereis that there's some not working
and we store it in visceralfats in the organs, so on places
we do not want to have the fathere's where it goes gets worse.
So now you have a fatty musclenot functioning.
You're probably not exercising,you keep overeating and this
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spirals down and then youdevelop all those diseases he
was talking about in an earlyage.
This is not like in yourfifties, that you wake up oops,
I'm having practices.
Or oh, now I have Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now it starts very early.
It's like a slow burn, right.
Because I mean, I think thething that hit me, you know, as
the true layperson here, was healmost called out that he could
typecast a profile and, withsome reasonable prediction,
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articulate which of the fourhorsemen is probably going to
start revealing itself andshowing up, right and all just
from you know, not just thegenetic makeup but lifestyle
voices.
And that blew my mind because Ithink, up to this point, so
(22:56):
much time, so much, things youhear about are all about
genetics.
It's genetics, right?
Well, your mama had this,you're gonna have it.
Even the questionnaire you know, doc, hey, even the
questionnaire that Docs give uswhen we go to the doc, it's all
about your daddy and your mamaand da, da, da, da.
Very few of thosequestionnaires say hey, what's
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your lifestyle like?
Are you traveling a lot?
Are you sitting a lot?
Like very few?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Now, you know the doc asks if you get like occasional
exercise, moderate heavy.
It asks you if you smoke, drinkcaffeine.
If that's it, it's just like afew factors.
Yeah, it stops.
But now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Docs like you who I just happened to be able to say
you double click right, you getto know, but that's not the norm
.
It's not the norm, yeah no,unfortunately not.
Yeah, oh yes, if you don't knowthat if you don't know that, if
you don't double click as adoctor to know all these things
(24:07):
that aren't in the questionnaire, right, and you only have the
basis of history, you're almostgoing to treat to the ultimate
conclusion.
Isn't that great?
Am I wrong Like that?
Like I got chills when Ithought about how-.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
What I think To be treat to the conclusion.
I'm sorry, I'm not following.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So if so, okay.
So what does that mean?
Because it probably makes notmuch sense.
But if you're looking at thequestionnaire, right, and it
talks about my mama having acertain medical condition, on my
daddy having a certain medicalcondition, and the questionnaire
doesn't have the double clicksthat go into my lifestyle, that
(24:56):
I'm layering on top of thosethings, there's a predisposition
, that another physician notmine could go down a path to say
you are predisposed to highblood pressure because your mama
has high blood pressure, versussaying you're predisposed to
(25:17):
high blood pressure because yourdiet looks like this, your
sleep pattern looks like this,your exercise looks like this
right, Instead of allowing me tostand distinctly on my own as
an entity, with that being thedouble click plus, it's exactly
the reverse.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
All right, I'm gonna be very honest.
Yeah, medicine today isn't evenlooking at any of that, that
family history questionnaire.
Well, when it comes to OBGYNand that is what I am we're
looking at that family historyquestionnaire as a predictor of
cancer.
So maybe primary care shouldlook at it a little more and say
(26:03):
oh, I mean.
I do.
I look at it and like, if Iorder like a cholesterol panel
on you or I see your bloodpressure is high and I see that
you have a family history likethat, I'm just like, well, you
know you're?
You know, yesterday we hadsomeone who was very, what did
she do?
She immigrated here fromFinland.
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Like, okay, she's very active,she's very healthy At her blood
pressure.
We almost sent her to theemergency room because she
doesn't wanna take bloodpressure medicine and her mom
has high blood pressure andshe's trying to, you know, and
I'm like, okay, so I think youhave something.
You've been fighting it andyou're doing a good job, but I
(26:43):
think your genetics are probablygonna take you down that road
and I could see that in herurine test that she has some
kidney damage already.
She's 52.
So but when you're talkingabout the medicine right now,
I'm gonna be very honest withyou and he said it in the book
(27:05):
yeah, it's not doing so well,it's not.
So when you see a doctor or aPA or a nurse practitioner,
you're not getting customizedmedical care.
You are not.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
See what I like he said.
He didn't talk aboutpreventative, he talked about
pro-active.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's medicine 2.0.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
It's medicine 2.0.
And it is.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And the thing is, because of the way that it's
sort of set up here is like wedon't have that much time with
you and so if you have enoughmoney and you get a concierge
doctor, you're going to getbetter medical care, and that's
the truth.
So it's got worse.
It's got worse over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Because now it's a business.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's a business.
It's not just that we'reworking harder and faster than
ever because the demands aregreater, because of the flow of
information coming in faster andwe're trying to have to sort
through that fast-pacedinformation that's coming at us.
So it's not just coming at uswith research and we're having
(28:24):
to like, read it, but yourresults are coming in faster and
faster and faster through acomputer.
So we're trying to sift, sift,sift, sift, and then we're
trying to see you and you have a15-minute slot.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, wait.
I don't typically try to keepmy slots for annual exams 30
minutes so that we have enoughtime, wow.
But many times it isn't eventhat, because if someone comes
in with a problem, you're double.
You're seeing something, you'regoing to be double booked and I
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have to try to.
Yeah, and there's a shortage.
There's a shortage of primarycares and people have a
difficult time getting in with aprimary care or a primary care
that takes their insurance.
So there is kind of a crisisand it's really what it is.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I love it.
Yeah, this is a mess.
It's a medicine to put on.
I love that Because this islike going in a whole other yeah
.
Yeah, this is a crisis, right,because we talk about the crisis
in the sense of you know, likewe said, healthcare costs and
all that stuff.
But what I'm hearing you say is, well, it's actually capacity,
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it's actually think about thebusiness challenges that you're
solving in a corporate sense orin a business sense, right?
You need the capacity to be ableto manage, to demand.
And if that capacity doesn'texist, you're either going to
get efficient at the risk of thequality, quite frankly right or
(30:12):
you're going to have abottleneck that just pushes
everything back for everybody.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And it's really not necessarily like.
You can't even say it's a moneything, it's just an information
highway.
It's an information highwaything.
It's really fast-paced.
We're trying to keep on top ofall this biopsies coming in and
telling people their results andresearch coming in fast and
(30:42):
keeping up to date and seeingpeople.
It's just, you know, we'regetting the information fast and
it's really hard to stay, Idon't know see all the people
and do a good job with all thisinput.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
What do you think, Angela?
What are you hearing?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, I totally get it.
And this is the other flip side.
On my side, when I have clientsas a health coach, it's very
personal.
I work with clients a very longtime.
I work with the doctor and whatI do is basically it's very
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individual and it's all aboutthat person at that moment.
Of course it's a different.
It's all about health.
You know, I can't diagnose, Ican't, but we are doing the
proactive stuff.
So if clients come to me, yeah,I spend a lot, a lot of time
with them.
It is a six months, 12 monthsprocess and they only this is
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the funny thing, because this isthe flip side they want the
quick fix, so they go to thedoctor and they want a
prescription.
It's a very interesting thingbecause this is now my side,
explaining the foundation thatwe need to do and all the work.
This is the well, this is veryhard and this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That part is actually the interesting dichotomy
between what we just heardChristina say, right, right and
what you're saying is, even whenyou break this down and you
realize that the tools that willhelp you to sustain a healthy
(32:30):
lifestyle are non-medical mostof the time, right, exactly,
exactly, you know, but we areconditioned to want that fix,
quick, right.
So we'll go back and we wantthe medicine, without
appreciating that the medicineis what can put us in the
(32:52):
tailspin to begin with.
Yeah, Wow, that's so crazy.
That just helps somebody, thatliterally just helps somebody.
But just to frame it, let'sframe it around this fictitious
character that comes into youroffice and has this high blood
pressure, has this familyhistory of high blood pressure
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and doesn't want medicine.
Doesn't want medicine, right?
How do you get your head aroundpoaching someone to take the
more holistic, organic path thatallows food to be medicine,
that allows lifestyle to behealthier?
(33:33):
How do you walk that fine line,right, right?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, yeah, this is like the thing, so I don't know
if that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Give us the thing.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I'm not sure if that was the best example.
She needed medicine or she'sgoing to have a stroke?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
But, I think, that's something to that, because I
actually know someone in my lifetoo, literally right now, who
is resisting medicine because ofthe mindset that medicine leads
to bad things.
But I believe I personallybelieve that if God created it
all, I have to believe that allof it's good and it's safe.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Okay, so here's the thing.
So, when it comes to certainfactors, many, many years ago we
did not treat high bloodpressure because we didn't have
medication for it.
People died at 65 because of aheart attack or stroke, and then
they just died and we said,well, they were just old, but
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high blood pressure, we actuallydo have good medications for it
.
I mean, of course you want tolose weight, of course you want
to exercise, of course you wantto decrease stress, and this
woman was doing all of thosethings.
And it wasn't working.
She'd been to the ER withmigraine headaches and tingling
(34:54):
down her arms and now we areseeing in her urine because we
dipped it that there was someprotein.
So her kidneys are starting tohave some damage.
I'm like cut right there, oneof the most I said to her.
One of the most common reasonswhy people have renal failure or
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kidney transplant is because ofuntreated high blood pressure.
Wow.
So there comes a point rightthat I'm like and she goes how
do I reverse that?
I said kidney damage is notreally reverse.
You have to fight.
You've got to know when it'sthe right time to take medicine.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So there's a thing called emergency.
She's already been in a healer.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's medicine 2.0.
I think medicine is really goodIf something's broken, if
something's burst, if somethingcan be cut out or something.
Then we go to medicine 2.0.
Now, medicine 3.0 would havebeen if she would have started
in her 20s or 30s, complete,always be on baseline target all
(36:06):
her life.
How old is she, Christina, 52.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
But if you listen to what Christina said, though,
Angela, there are somesituations that are just going
to be right, and so now I'mgoing to be.
She's a skinny woman and she'slike so that's right.
So there's some situations thatare just going to be right.
How do we get our head around?
(36:34):
How do we allow the messagingout there to not be so black or
white, right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Right, because I think everybody's different.
So there is bio-individualityand we have to find this is also
in the book Like he has certainsystems and he believes in
those systems.
Let's say about working out orabout diet and about and he is,
(37:04):
I think, in his book also veryblack and white.
And I don't agree with thatbecause everybody's different.
So, yeah, we do whatever we canfor that person and if it
doesn't, it's interesting to.
In every decade you'redifferent.
The diet would work for me inmy 20s, doesn't work for me now,
in my 40s, it doesn't workanymore.
Girl talk I'm, but yeah, itchanges.
(37:26):
So we have to make adjustmentsand we have to listen to our
body and have to find this thisis my favorite word balance.
I think I never find balance,but I'm trying.
I catch myself not beingbalanced.
But there is this fine line andI think if we listen to this
and we do our best, there is away that we can make it work.
(37:49):
And do we have to do highintensity workouts on top of our
stressful job and on top oftaking care of kids and on top
of?
No, we don't.
I don't agree with that.
Like we can't go extreme,saying oh, because of if I only
do this extreme workout, thatextends my health?
No, it doesn't.
So there is a fine balance,what we have to do the dance
(38:12):
with and we have to find theoptimum in our lifestyle and
what works for us.
And I'm telling you, if, yeah,recommended you should do zone
two training every day for 45 to60 minutes.
Who can do that?
It's not what you can put intoa regular person's lifestyle.
If you can do a cardio training, a brisk walk twice a week,
(38:38):
it's better than nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
That's right, so that has to be.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know what I will say too.
What comes up for me when yousay that is too often when we
read books and I'm not pickingon Peter anymore, I'm picking on
all the books out there, right,yeah?
So there's this prescriptiveregimen that sort of makes this
hypothesis about if you do thesethings, then you're going to
(39:04):
dot, dot, dot, right, Right.
A couple of things that I'mtaking away.
One when it comes to our stateof being, there are many factors
, no different than just aboutanything that we do.
There are many factors, andthey all need to be considered,
but it's personal, right?
So those factors that are mineare different than yours, Angela
(39:27):
, are different than yours,Christina, right?
So it's the whole thing, right.
And then the other thing is, aswe think about lifestyle, this
notion of balance, while it is areally hard thing for a lot of
us to get our head around forsure me.
But what I've started thinkingabout is stop thinking about it
(39:49):
being in a 24-hour day 50%, 50%and more.
Think about it in the contextof a seven-day week, right?
And am I making the bestchoices in a seven-day week,
such that I'm winning on thescale?
(40:09):
And I heard someone, reallycool, told me 51% wins.
Who told me that 51% wins?
Tell us about that, Angela,because I think that that is a
brilliant way to take, honestly,to take some of the blood
(40:31):
pressure-raising stress out ofthe whole matter, right.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
For me it's.
I see this a lot in my clients.
They want to give 100 percentall the time.
100 percent, 100 percent.
Then I come to their homes orthey come to me and we work out
and they're all stressed anddidn't sleep well.
They're like this is not goingto be a good workout, let's just
cancel it.
No, no, no, no, no.
(40:57):
Today you didn't sleep, baby,real good and you had a
stressful day.
It's okay, but we do whateverwe can and we make the best out
of it.
But you're here and you'reshowing up and you're giving 51
percent and that matters.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
You're here, you're showing up.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And I have to say Christina is one of the best
examples for that.
No, matter what she fights,sometimes through the days and
stuff, and I can tell she'stired, but she is doing her
workout and she is accomplishingthe 51 percent.
She's one of the very goodexamples of being consistent and
(41:36):
living it.
Exactly what I just said.
You do not have to give all thetime 100 percent, the 51
percent, these are the ones thatmatters showing up and doing it
, not quitting.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, I think maybe in the book he's bringing up a
lot of great topics about thehorsemen, the things that can
kill us or debilitate us.
And now what are the things wecan do to expand our good times
(42:18):
in the latter 10 years of ourlife and just shrink down the
suffering?
And I know in this one part ofthe book he said, well, I
wouldn't rely too much onpersonal trainers and blah, blah
, blah.
I think what he a tool orsomething he might have used as
(42:39):
a health coach.
And that is what Angela is.
She is a health coach and thisis somebody that you can get
used to help to customize thisthing that we say lifestyle,
this customize our lifestyle sothat it can fit into our life.
(43:05):
So let me give you someconcrete examples of that.
Go for it and it has a pertainto me, but you know All good.
And now when I met Angelaseveral years ago, because I was
going to LA Fitness and Idecided to get some personal
(43:25):
training there and then thepersonal trainer I was with left
and then they put me withAngela and it was really great.
You know, it's been a great fitand then over the years, I've
learned.
Some of you know the thingsthat she has taught me.
So, okay, yeah, if you packyour lunch and you take it with
(43:49):
you to work, you know, and I Ido not food prep all day.
I'm not good at it, like youknow, for the week, but I'm very
good at my breakfast and mylunch.
Let's get that dinner down,right.
So, uh, you know how you take.
(44:10):
If you take your lunch with you,you'll take it in like a bag,
right, and it's like aninsulated bag and maybe it's
ugly, all right, she told meabout this website called six
pack bags, woo Lava resource.
Six pack bags is great.
So six pack bags.
I have a backpack.
It's a little black nylonbackpack that's insulated and it
(44:34):
doesn't look like a stinkingold insulated cooler right, but
it has little ice packs and itcomes with some, you know,
plastic containers in there oryou don't have to use their
containers, use whatever youwant and it has room inside to
put like maybe you know yourwater bottle I put in there, I
(44:56):
fill it up with my water, myYeti cooler.
There's room in there to putyour silverware, your apple,
your dried snacks and things.
And I've learned some certainyou know snacks that she's told
me about that are really greatand taste good and they're quick
(45:17):
and grab them.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
What are they?
You got to share them, oh,great, interesting.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, so I like, I like those snacks by rhythm.
You know, they're like driedveggies.
Yeah, some of them are good andsome of them are not.
But the ones that I like.
They sound really weird.
It's dried cauliflower and theyare very crunchy and yummy.
(45:42):
The sea salt is good.
They're white cheddar, which isnot white cheddar.
It's made with nutritionalyeast, which sounds weird, but
it tastes great.
That's good too.
Sometimes the quality of it Idon't find it great.
There are times that I'll get abag and I'm like, oh Jesus,
some air must have gotten inhere and it's like chewy.
(46:02):
It's not crunchy anymore andthat pisses me off.
But most, 90% of the time,they're good, they're spot on.
You know, I do have a foodscale at home and I do weigh and
measure my breakfast and mylunch, so I put the plate on it
and my fruit and vegetables andwhatever, what else.
(46:26):
I guess I do pay a lot of extramoney for caught up fruit,
because that's what works.
I'm not going to cut it up.
It's not fast enough for me.
Yeah, that's another thing,protein.
So a protein powder that Ireally love is by Vega, v-e-g-a
(46:49):
Vega, and I've tried differentVega protein powders, but I go
with the Vega Sport because I'mnot sure what it is, because
when you mix it it's just reallydissolves really well, and I
love the Vega Sport chocolate.
The vanilla is awesome too.
You could customize the vanillato anything you want, like.
(47:11):
I think it's a good base.
So like we ran out of chocolatetoday here.
So if I have some good cacaopowder, I just put a tablespoon
of that in there.
It turned into chocolate.
Or you could put some powderedpeanut butter in there and a
little chocolate and you canmake a chocolate peanut butter.
So the Vega Sport protein isgreat.
(47:33):
If you're looking for somethingsweet and yummy, there's a
really cool company.
You should tell me about what'sthat one.
Oh, king Line.
It's one word King Line.
They make these protein buttersand they taste so good.
I stopped buying them, though,for a while, because, let me
tell you, they are so good thatI'll just eat them out of the
(47:57):
jar, and that's not balanced,and they make a protein brittle.
It's like peanut brittle, butit's healthy.
Yeah, but that's.
I am so addicted to it, like Ican't, like the jar won't last,
like I'm going to just be honest.
So I had to put the kibosh onthe King Line for a bit.
(48:20):
But if you want to try that andyou're better at that than me
go for it.
What else do we do around here?
We got the.
I mean, I found this one on myown and I told you she heard
about the daily harvest, dailyharvest, so we get it comes on
(48:42):
dry ice and they're like there'sa cauliflower, a bag of
cauliflower rice with somelittle lentils in there and some
black rice, and that one's good.
But a lot of them are smoothies.
Now, I don't like to do a lotof smoothies for myself because,
like Angela told me, she likeit's a lot of fruit smoothies.
Like Peter said, you know it'stoo much ground up sugar from
(49:06):
the fruits, right, but mydaughter, she does a lot of the
smoothies, although if I do asmoothie I'll put the powder,
like the, the Vega powder, in it, and so then there's protein in
it.
It'll last me longer because Idid have a protein.
I had a the mint cacao smoothieat lunch with a scoop of the
(49:30):
Vega protein powder in it andthat way I felt much more
satisfied for longer.
So those are some concreteexamples of, I think, how a
health coach could kind of learnwho you are and learn like what
your rhythm is with your homelife and your work and like kind
(49:53):
of find these things that willfit there, like okay.
So now I got my backpack withmy food, I got some protein
powder and some shakes, and thenshe's really good with the
workouts because she doesn'tover train you.
It's not like a trainer thatyou think is going to just yell
(50:14):
at you and boot camp you, and soshe customizes it and makes it
very meaningful so that youbuild muscle in a safe,
effective way, and I love it.
It sounds gentle.
I think he needed to say likeyou need to use a health coach.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
All right, come on, let's hear the health coach,
angela, tell us where we'reright and where we're wrong.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I just want to reflect.
I mean, thank you, christina.
But yeah, with Christina, whenI started working with her, she
didn't have a lot of muscle.
She was in a very stressfullife situation at that moment.
There was a lot going on andwhat we actually did, we toned
(51:06):
down the intensity of theworkouts and I wanted to build
robust muscle.
Muscle is the body armor.
This is what keeps you goingand this will also help you to
shed the body fat, and that waslike one of her goals.
So I focused on literallyputting on quality muscle and
(51:29):
creating a healthy tissue.
And then what I love, what shejust described she was she loves
food, as you can tell, like shecan really give you good tips
and she's a very good cook.
But she mentioned it all thetime and this is what the whole
purpose was of this nutritionchange.
She always talks about protein.
(51:51):
Yes, christina's meals are veryhealthy, but she always has a
robust amount of protein as wellto feed the muscle.
So she was healing hermetabolism, she was building the
muscle, she was shedding offthe body fat and she got going
and calmed her whole system downand her metabolism is like
(52:14):
clockwork now.
She can do whatever she wants.
As soon as she pulls it out ona diet or whatever she does, the
body reacts.
She's very, very healthy andvery good and very strong and
she accomplished a wonderfulgoal and she's at that level and
she's holding and maintainingit.
Now there is really, like Isaid, at that point she has a
(52:40):
flexibility and a food freedomand she's doing the dance.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
She's doing the dance .
Yes, the dance, the dance.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
So you guys, that is actually the phrase of.
I think this talks so much,right?
I think it's the dance, thedance.
Yes, and that's a perfectcaptioning because you know,
kind of getting back to my point, there's so many options that
(53:12):
we all have.
There's so many workouts you canchoose.
There's so many, so many, somany.
I think for me, I'm in a seasonwhere it's the fluidity that
feels nice to my body.
It's waking up one morning andacknowledging that I flew all
day the day before and my bodyis telling me I need to ease
(53:36):
into my day and I need to feelthe sun or feel the breeze and
just get moving, just move.
Or there could be anothermorning where I wake up fully
rested and I feel like I justneed the intensity, or it could
(53:57):
be two of those different thingsin the same day.
And so I think if there's onething that I'm evolving to still
so much baby steps to learnunder Angela's umbrella is just
let go of this notion of oneapproach and just start to allow
your body and your feel, yourwhole body, your whole self.
(54:22):
Start to allow it to talk toyou.
It'll even tell you whatsupplements you might need that
day.
As I'm getting a little bitbetter at it, I'm also seeing
that every day you don't feellike you need the fish oil,
right, because you ate a wholebunch of fish the night before
and you're eating fish that sameday, right?
(54:45):
It's a time where I didn'tthink about it that way.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are so out of touch
that they don't know anymorewhat healthy feels.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yes, and actually being able to experience this.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
I would wish that's for everybody, that they would
give themselves the chance toactually get started and
experience it and live throughit and actually feel awake and
healthy, and then they know whatto do, can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I'm gonna tell you even one more on that that you
just said.
I would venture to say thereare a lot of people that don't
really know what hunger painsfeel like.
Yeah, like literally.
We don't.
We're so regimented with eithersix foods a day or three and
(55:44):
all the things that we just wewake up and it's just what you
do you eat.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
But you know what, Bonnie, what you said, I think
this was a great.
Okay, this was mindset.
Hunger used to feel pain.
For me, hunger is like, oh yay,I'm burning body fat right now
I'm at that point, for, yes, I'mat it.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Reframe.
I do not eat right now.
Reframe.
Oh yeah, it's not pain.
It's not pain.
No, it's not pain.
My body's working for me.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
It's actually telling me my body's tapping into the
body fat.
That's what I want.
So this little brown in here,yes, I want to feel it, I really
do.
It's not pain, it's actually mybody saying hello.
I'm burning body fat right nowand I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
It's probably good for your other systems too, like
your brain and your organs, tojust like he even said it in the
book that there are certainlike pathways that are being
turned on.
I think he was saying, Foxo,he's talking about your stuff.
That was, yeah, turning on whenyou have hunger and we're not
(57:00):
allowing ourselves to have thathunger or we have too much
access to quench the hunger, andthat is something that might
not be supporting us long term.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Wow, and that'll take us down a whole path of
intermittent fasting andthinking about breakfast in a
different way.
And it's not breakfast becauseit's 6 AM and I just woke up.
It's breakfast because it's myfirst meal of the day, and
that's when it is right.
(57:35):
Right, there's a whole path,you guys.
I feel like we have only justscratched the surface, but I
feel like there are some themesthat really come loud and clear,
and I'll just summarize a fewof what I think, and then I'll
let you guys weigh in on whatelse you think would be notable
for folks that are enjoying thisconversation with us.
(57:59):
One I would say is that we ownour health care.
Yep, and gone are the days of Ihave my doctor and I go to my
appointments annually and lifeis good Because we just heard
(58:19):
and have to acknowledge that youcan have the best, most
compassionate, most skilleddoctor.
But the math isn't mathy whenit comes to having the ability
to really root in there on everyaspect with everybody, and so
(58:41):
that was a big takeaway for me.
The second one would be when Istart to really tap in to whole
living for myself.
I am not just thinking about itone dimensional.
It is diet, it is exercise, itis mental clarity and how all
(59:08):
those things sort of cometogether and manifest themselves
for me.
And being tapped in in tune forme is being available to just
kind of go with the flow,sometimes right, and be gentle
and kind to myself.
So that's what I'm taking away,all right, so I'm going to go
(59:28):
next, Christina, and then we'lllet Angela take us home.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Christina, what do you think?
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Oh, you want me to take us home, or Angela?
Speaker 1 (59:44):
Angela is going to take us home, unless you have
any.
Do you want to add some more towhat I said?
No, I think.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
I think I'll just briefly.
It ties into what Angela saidand it's that 51%.
It's that balance, so itdoesn't have to be like all or
nothing and we want to just getinto a good zone when it comes
(01:00:11):
to food, exercise and activity,sleep and stress reduction.
That's really important.
Medicine 2.0 can help us, butthose things are your foundation
and don't stress too much aboutit.
Go for that 51%.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
All right, I love it.
All right, angela, take us home.
Health coach.
Health coach All right.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well, we heard a lot of things today what we can do
and I think if you pick threethings and have a goal of doing
just those three things a day asa little checklist and this is
like the promise to yourselfthat you want to do something
(01:00:59):
good for you, for yourself thenpick those three things and make
it like reachable.
Don't set the goals too crazy,too high.
Be realistic, do step-by-stepapproaches and then improve by
this like the next step, andthen the next step, and then the
(01:01:20):
next step.
Don't look at the top of themountain immediately.
Start on the base and just gostep-by-step and reach new goals
and then one day we'll be ontop of the mountain and you will
enjoy the view, but you don'thave to look up the mountain
right away.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Ooh Y'all.
This is good.
This is so good.
I am so sure that more than mehas been truly blessed by this
conversation.
Thank you both.
You're both very busy.
You're doing goodness in theworld and that's why I wanted to
pull your voices front here.
If you want to be coached byAngela, who is scaling her
(01:02:02):
business now to go beyond folksthat meet with her in person but
to be accessible and availableto folks that are literally
around the world, you cancontact her on Instagram at
healthcoachangela, and I thinkthat's going to be the best
place to follow her and to getinformation around some of the
(01:02:25):
cool things that she's launchingin her business.
Christina did an excellent jobof giving us some sneak peek
into some of the coaching, andjust stay tuned here.
Soon I'll be doing some more,but I tell you what it is really
just a gift to be able to sharethe thinking for both of you,
because so much of us are notonly caring for ourselves.
(01:02:47):
We're caring for others andwe're trying to create healthy
strategies, healthy lifestylesthat this next generation, quite
frankly, that's following us.
They're going to write theticket for what that 3.0 looks
like, because they will have anew baseline in what we've had,
so I'm super grateful to knowyou both and to be able to call
(01:03:10):
you both friends.
Thank you for so much forjoining us, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Thank you, Chandra.
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