Beamed Up: The Travis Walton Abduction

They say if you go out into the woods, you’d better be prepared for bears, bugs… maybe even Bigfoot. But Travis Walton? He came back with a story that was out of this world. Literally.

In November of 1975, a logging crew in the Arizona wilderness witnessed something they couldn’t quite log away in their memory banks. A flash of light, a man knocked to the ground, and then—poof—no Travis. Just empty pine needles and a whole lot of panic.

On this episode, we’re cracking open the case of Travis Walton and the now-infamous “Fire in the Sky.” Buckle up, keep your arms and legs inside the beam at all times, and remember what happens in the mothership doesn’t always stay in the mothership.

Episode Transcript

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They say if you go into the woods, you'd better be prepared
for bears, bugs, maybe even Bigfoot.
But Travis Walton, he came back with a story that was out of
this world, literally. In November of 1975, a logging
crew in the Arizona wilderness witnessed something they
couldn't quite log away into their memory.
A flash of light, a man knocked to the ground, and then poof,

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just empty pine needles and a whole lot of panic.
He was gone for five whole days.No food, no water, no trace.
When he finally reappeared, his story included a UFO, strange
beings, and a medical exam that makes your annual checkup seem
like a spa day. On this episode, we're cracking
open the case of Travis Walton and the now infamous fire in the

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sky. Buckle up, keep your arms and
legs inside the beam at all times, and remember, what
happens in the mothership doesn't always stay in the
mothership. We're listen be and this is
prying minds. Music.

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How you doing, Liz? I'm fantastic.
How are you be I'm? Good.
How you doing, Nosy France? I'm assuming they're saying.
Hi good. How are you?
So I'm excited for today's episode.
Me too. I'm doing an extraterrestrial 1.
You know I'm going to be psychedout of my.
Mind for this one? Now it's an abduction story, and

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I tend to be more of a skeptic. Yes, we all know this.
You're. My Mulder and I'm the Scully A.
100. Percent.
But this one has lots of witnesses.
There's corroborating evidence, nothing to corroborate the
actual story of what he says happened, but a lot of things
surrounding it that like something happened and this is a

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pretty well known one, but maybenot.
I hadn't. I didn't know this story.
So it's the story of Travis Walton and the his experience
being abducted by aliens. This one's crazy.
I know, yes, because there are witnesses to what happened, not
just the person that was abducted.
There's a police investigation, there's lie detector tests,
there's six people who actually witnessed what happened, like

(02:58):
the abduction itself. And if you ever heard him be
interviewed, he seems just pretty level headed guy.
Like, he doesn't seem like somebody that would make up
stories necessarily. And his story has never changed,
even though there's tons of scrutiny.
His story, Travis Walton and allthe other guys, these six other
guys, they haven't changed theirstory and since this happened.

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What they saw is what they saw. What they saw is what they saw.
So the story starts with Travis himself.
Now, this started in 1975. Travis is 22 years old.
He's from Snowflake, AZ. Kind of weird, right?
Arizona's a desert. But.
Snowflake just once, fell there once.
And like Snowflake, Yeah. But this is kind of a
mountainous wilderness year, like foresty area.

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Yeah. Now Travis is sort of what
people called like a bad boy, not a bad boy, but like kind of
reckless in a way. Like he just like he rode
motorcycles, He did bull riding,like stuff like that.
So not like a bad, bad. It just, you know, did kind of.
More risky stuff risky. Things.
Yeah. There was one random story about

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him that I thought was interesting.
So one day Travis is driving in a car with some of his friends
and a bear comes out onto the road and jumps in front of the
car. Now what would normal people do?
You stay in the car and you freak out.
Travis did not. He gets out of the car and
chases after the bear. It's like, get out of here, I
know how. Dare you get in front of my car?
Not a smart move, Travis, but that just kind of shows you kind

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of how he is more impulsive. Impulsive.
Now, I don't know how accurate that story actually was.
Maybe he ran after the bear had already left or whatever.
But that's pretty reckless. Yeah, So Travis worked as a
logger. It's not a huge company that he
worked for, but they do have, you know, chainsaws and things,
right, Right. That's kind of a it's a
dangerous job. So the men had been hired by the

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government to clear, it's calledthe Sitgreaves National Forest
to clear some land in the Sitgreaves National Forest.
It's 1200 acres so. It's a huge.
Yeah, it's a huge job. So basically, in order to work
for this company, 'cause there was only 7 men, everybody knew
each other very well and you hadto be really level headed to be
hired because you're working with chainsaws and dangerous

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situations where trees are falling, right?
You got to trust each other and you got to be pretty level
headed. It's a pretty remote area too,
so you aren't close to help. So anybody that got hired had to
be a pretty smart, shrewd guy. Fair.
The crew boss, his name was MikeRogers and I'll talk about him
throughout the story. He was there the day of this
event. So total there's seven men that

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includes Travis. So let's Fast forward November
5th, 1975. Travis and Mike Rogers and all
the other men, they're up there,they're clearing this 1200 acres
of land. It's in East Central AZ.
That's where the sit and GreavesNational Forest is.
So all 7 when went out to the site in one pickup truck and
they came back in one pickup truck just to make things easy.

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And it it's a bit remote, so it makes sense.
So the men were working really long hours and they were falling
behind. So they're working until almost
start and again. And that's a huge job for Seven,
for seven people. Yeah.
Like, what were they thinking? Why weren't they like, we need
to hire more people? Yeah, but it's a government
thing. So I think it's like if you go
over whatever. And they probably thought, well,

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we don't have to share it with more people.
We don't have to. More profit for them.
Yeah. So the end of the day, they load
up in Mike's pickup truck. So it's Mike's pickup truck, the
the lead guy, and they start to head back down.
So all seven men are in the sametruck.
Most of them are in the back. So it's totally dark as they
start to head back. They're just chatting away, you
know, as you do. Yeah, talking end of the day,
what you're going to do for the weekend, because it's just about

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the weekend. Then off to the right, they see
a light. All seven of them say they
noticed the light, but they kindof thought it was the moon
because, yeah, you would think it was the moon because if you
see a light in the sky, you justthink it's the moon, wouldn't
you? Do you?
I've seen the moon. I know what the moon looks like.
Yeah, but it's just a round light.

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So you're just like, and you might not look right at it.
You're just assuming that's a light in your peripheral, yeah.
OK. I would assume it was the moon.
So they see it and they think, oh, that's the moon, but then
they look over on the other sideand that's the moon.
So there's two things that they're seeing.
And so they're like. What's the moon?
What's the other thing one of the guys says?

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Well, maybe it's a forest fire. Seems like you would know what a
fire looked like, unless it was really far away, I guess.
But your natural inclination would be to something normal,
not a UFO. Maybe he would say yeah.
It's a UFO. But then they don't see any
smoke either. They don't see any other
telltale signs for a fire. So Travis, as the danger seeker

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that he is, says, well, let's golook at it.
Let's get. Closer to it, she would be my
friend. That's what you wouldn't do.
I'd be like, yeah. Travis, let's go.
Let's do this well. And Mike listens and says, all
right, let's go and take a look at what it is.
Yeah. So they drive a little bit
closer, even though most of the men were kind of reluctant to go
closer because they didn't know what it was.
And you have a fight or flight response, You're like, I don't

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know what it is, Maybe I shouldn't go over and look at it
closer. That's how I would be now.
You are different. Which is why I have found myself
in lots of questionable situations because I'm like,
let's go see what that is. Happens.
Yeah, yes, I would be one of themore reluctant ones being like,
OK, so luckily there was a road that led over toward where the

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light was. So they turned the truck down
and started driving toward the light.
And eventually they get to this.What's a clearing kind of an
area? And this is where the light
actually is. Like it's in this clearing and
it's up off of the ground, it's hovering.
They're all in shock because they're like, what the crap is
that? Because it's not a fire, it's
not the moon. And they so they describe it as

(08:43):
a disc shaped object, Of course,a flying saucer, right?
OK, I'm saying let's go. You're saying no, but you're a
good friend and you go with me. Yeah.
You see this? What's happening next?
I would say let's leave. What?
That would be the last thing I would think of.
Doing so, you're the Travis in the story.
I'm every other guy in the truck.

(09:05):
All than other normal people. But if you don't know what it
is, why would you go closer to it?
You're just. Gonna go home and be like for
the rest of your life. I saw this light hovering above
the ground and that's it. Yeah.
And not question what you saw orwanna know more about what you
saw. You know what happens to Travis
in this situation. You know what, I just had a
conversation with my husband andI'm like, why does every

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abductee is like, oh, I was so scared.
It was horrible. It was the worst thing in my
life under hypnosis. If I got abducted I'd be like,
this is so cool. Tell me everything you would be
scared. I would.
Probably be a little scared but like excited scared.
No, you'd be like. I'm finally meeting an alien.
Yeah, OK. It's still terrifying because

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you don't know if they're good aliens or they're bad aliens.
What are they going to do to you?
It's like if a human took you, it's still a human and you know
a human, but they took you and they don't know what they're
going to do to you. I.
Guess I'd be like. Why'd you pick me?
What? Made you decide that it was me
you were. Because you drove up to me in
your truck, That's the answer. You're an easy target.

(10:10):
That's it. You would be able to ask them so
many questions. If they speak English, maybe
they speak Spanish. Either one I got.
It. I know.
Yeah, I got it. Even Italian a little bit.
You'd get it. I'd get it.
Yeah, I'm prepared. Wouldn't you want to ask all the
questions of like the universe? But a lot of the abduction
stories, they talk about them almost communicating

(10:31):
telepathically, yes, so you wouldn't need the language
necessarily. Yeah, it'd be like finally tell
me everything. Yeah, this one doesn't have
telepathy involved. So they see this disc shaped
object just hovering 100 feet off the ground or so.
So it's a little bit high, but not as high as the sun would be,
or the moon or the moon. Yeah.

(10:51):
So it's interesting because he kind of described it as like
panels that were almost riveted together, but in a really good
way. Like it looked beautiful to him,
he said, even though it looked machined.
OK, which is interesting. Yeah.
OK, so there's these lights on the underside of the craft and
they're sort of rotating, kind of like moving around the

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bottom. But it's silent.
It's silent and it's staying in perfect, like in the perfect
same position all the time. I don't know, that's not good
grammar, but it's just staying exactly where it is.
It's not bobbing or anything like that.
So the men are doing probably what I would do is you're just
staring at the craft, like riveted, like what?
What is this thing? Right.
So Travis, being Travis, jumps out and walks towards the craft.

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That's my man, That's your man, That's my boy.
He's the only one that gets out and walks towards the craft.
All right, Travis later he kind of talks about like feeling like
he like compelled almost to get out and walk towards the light
and they're kind of yelling at him to say.
What are you doing? Idiot.
But he just keeps going and he'stoo far.
He's actually almost too far once they notice him because

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they're so captivated by the flying saucer.
They're not. Paying attention to him, walking
towards. It But when they do see him,
they try to get him back and Travis describes it later so he
remembers everything later. He didn't feel scared, he just
felt curious about the object and he just wanted to see more
like you. Yeah.
So Travis just continues to walktowards the craft even though

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all the men are yelling at him. Travis and one other guy in the
truck described how beautiful they thought the craftsmanship
was. So OK, good job, aliens.
He eventually gets to the point where he's almost right
underneath. Hold on, I wonder if aircrafts
are like cars. You know what I mean?
Like I have a beat up car. And.

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Then my other car is like nice and fancy.
There's like a Bugatti. Do you think you could like?
Probably super. Them up and like make them
cooler. This is probably the best of the
best 'cause it came. Out.
It's like a fancy one, yeah. Probably moving on, yeah.
They all have intrusive thought.So Travis is eventually, he's

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almost underneath this Bugatti of a ship, right?
That's the only fancy car that Iknow.
And then it starts to make a noise.
He's described it as almost likea gears moving, like it was
spinning. A beam of light shoots out.
And I was a little bit confused because how it's described, you
don't know where a beam of lightcomes from, but it strikes

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Travis directly in the chest. So it hits him from the front
right into the chest, and it knocks him back 20 feet.
Oh, wow. I know.
He's lifted off the ground 20 feet, goes back.
Can you imagine being in the truck being like, you see Travis
hit by light and he's knocked back 20 feet?
In the. Truck, all the six guys that are
in the truck. Oh, they ran away.

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Well, yeah. They left Travis.
Freaking freak out. That's what I wrote.
When what? When Travis is struck by the
beam of light, they freaking freak out and they take off in
the truck because they kind of assume Travis is dead because he
he's not moving. Now in their defense, they
thought he was dead and they want to save themselves.

(14:07):
I don't think it's necessarily bad that they left.
No, I I understand. I get it.
That's going to be your first response.
And like and like we're going togo get him help.
Yeah. Maybe we'll come back.
Yeah, We can come back with likeguns and stuff or something.
Yeah. Once they get away, they drive,
they stop and they're screaming and crying and eventually
they're like, we need to go backand get Travis.

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So they freak out, but then they're like, Travis is back
there. We we need to go back and get
him. All of them get back in the
truck. That's brave.
Oh, absolutely. Because I don't know what
they're walking into. Right when they get back to the
spot the craft was at, Travis isgone and so is the craft.
Nothing is there anymore. Which is almost.

(14:48):
Scarier. Yeah.
And they look everywhere. And you'd think like, if it
landed, it would leave an indentation.
But there was no indentation. It was hovering.
It was hovering. But if it got Travis, you'd
think that it would have to landunless they have transporter
beams like in Star Trek. Obviously.
Or obviously beam me up, Scotty.Exactly.
So when they go back and Travis is gone and the craft is gone,

(15:10):
that makes them freak out even more.
Of course, take that stress to another level, like where the
crap is Travis and what was thatthing?
They run around looking for them.
They can't find anything, so they decide we need to call the
police, which is exactly what I would do.
I don't know what the police would do, but I'm going to call
somebody. All of these men, they're like
loggers. They're like country guys.
They're they don't want to look.Crazy.

(15:31):
Yeah, like our friend just got abducted by an alien.
Yeah, and they're aware that when they call the police,
they're gonna look crazy, right?But they're like, this is what
we have to do because they took Travis.
He's gone. Yeah, it's worth whatever
backlash we're gonna get. Fair.
So they drive down the mountain and they get to a payphone.
Cuz this is payphone days which my kids saw payphone the other

(15:51):
day and I had to explain what itwas.
You have to push the buttons forthe numbers.
And it was a. Dollar.
It was a dollar. It was a dollar.
To make a phone call now for what, 3 minutes or something?
Something like that. Yeah, that's.
Wild. I don't know.
Relic of the past, but they get to a pay phone and they probably
paid a dime or something like that, and they call the police.
Ken Peterson is one of the guys on this crew and he's the one

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that talks to the police and they kind of picked him because
he's a very calm guy. He doesn't fly off the handle,
he's just calm and so they get him to talk to the police
because everybody else is cryingand you know, whatever he
explained they can't find Travis.
He doesn't mention the UFO and I'll leave that bit out.

(16:35):
He just told them that he would tell them what happened once
they got there but Travis was missing.
I agree with. Yeah, that's that strategy.
So the sheriff and his partner show up.
They start to talk to Ken and they ask him what happened.
Ken describes what happened. He doesn't mention the UFO
necessarily, but Mike Rogers, the foreman guy, he does talk

(16:59):
about the UFO. He just comes out and says there
was a UFO. The sheriff obviously thinks
they're drunk or they're high orsomething nefarious happened and
they're just trying to. Cover, I mean, but if you're
going to make up a story. I know you wouldn't say, oh, an
accident with this chainsaw because that would be too easy.
You say an abduction, of course,but that's almost supports their
story, doesn't it? That it's so crazy that it has

(17:22):
to be not insane. Exactly.
Yeah, Yeah. Like you can, if you can come up
with the story, that's the one you come up with, I guess.
Yeah, I guess so. But even though the sheriff
thought they were drunk or high or whatever, he actually ends up
believing them, even though he doesn't really believe them.
He believes what they're saying is what they think is the truth.
OK? Because they're all saying the
same thing and he's interviewingthem differently.

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And also the sheriff's got to belike, doesn't matter what the
story is, there's a man missing,period.
Yeah. No matter what, it's a missing
persons. Yes.
Yeah. He actually runs the sobriety
tests on all of them, and none of them were drunk or high.
So there you go with that. The sheriff also describes them
like he says he believes them, but they were also, he could
tell something crazy had happened because they're

(18:03):
panicking. They're big, tough guys that
don't whine about stuff. That something happened.
Yeah, and the sheriff just thinks that an accident happened
and they're trying to cover it up.
Or maybe not even an accident. Maybe they did something to
Travis, but then he knows they're shaken up.
So no matter what, like you said, it's a missing person.
So the sheriff has to organize asearch party, and he does.

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And so as soon as the sun comes up, then all the search parties
come and they go looking for Travis, but they can't find
anything. They don't find a single shred
of evidence up there. The sheriff begins to put
pressure on the men because he'slike, OK, just tell us where he
is. Like, we're not believing this.
Just tell me what happened. It's OK.
Just show me where the body is. But they don't.

(18:45):
Every single guy sticks to the storm, which to me gives a
little credence to the story. Yeah, now this is where it's,
well, the whole story's weird, but so they're out there helping
look and showing them where it happened.
And they see people searching with metal detectors.
They're wearing like orange or, or red shirts, but they have
metal detectors out what looks like metal detectors, I should

(19:08):
say. And they're searching for
Travis. And so Mike Rogers, the foreman
guy, said he was hoping the paranormal investigators would
come out, but there's these guyswith these like metal detector
things and nobody's answering their questions.
So he goes up and asked these guys with these metal detectors
what they were searching for. And the guys like, no, this is a
radiation detector, right? Rodgers starts to ask more

(19:31):
questions and the guy just won'tanswer his questions and walks
away. So later he asked the sheriff
what those guys were searching for.
And the sheriff said, I have no idea who you're talking about.
We don't have anybody in red vests, orange shirts.
I know. So there's just these.
I think there were three or fourof them just with these
detectors going around. Interesting.

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These guys are detecting radiation.
Maybe it was radiation that hit Travis in the chest, though.
He asks them to scan him for radiation, but there's no
radiation found on the men. But they weren't very close to
it. They were far away.
And at this point, the men had already changed clothes, so he
had them scan their helmets, right?
And they were full of radioactive.

(20:15):
Yeah. But the fact that radiation was
found, like, you can't fake that.
No. And again, these guys just left,
and then the sheriff doesn't know who they are or what he's
talking about. That's crazy.
Yeah. They search for Travis for a few
days, and they come up with absolutely nothing.
So this is at the point where the whole town just turns on
them because they assume that they just killed.

(20:36):
Their lives, yeah. And it starts to get
international headlines. Actually, you get headlines all
over the world because this. There's so many weird things
around it. Right.
And their story is just so insane that of course people are
going to pick it up and write about it.
So everyone thinks they're lyingto cover up a crime.
They think they're lying. So of course you're going to
give them a lie detector test. Now we know lie detector tests

(20:57):
aren't the best. Whatever.
Not super reliable, they're not,but.
Or demissible in court. Yeah, but it gives you a gauge
at least a little bit. And there's six men.
So that's going to give you a good gauge.
Yeah, six different men. So they bring in a highly
qualified lie detector giver person.
OK, they give them the test. So they are all given the exact

(21:17):
same questions and five out of the six pass.
Five out of the six. The guy that didn't pass, he
didn't fail. It was like undetermined, I
don't know what the inconclusiveand he got interrupted in the
middle of his lie detector test because some like emergency
happened, the police had to leave.
So it wasn't even the guy's fault.

(21:38):
Oh. Yeah, they're just interrupted,
so it has to be inconclusive. Because they didn't finish it.
Correct, and they give it to himlater and he passes.
So 6 out of 6 pass. That's insane.
Now lie detector tests are actually 90% accurate most of
the time. Not always, but they're about
90% accurate. So to have six people pass is

(21:58):
like astronomical. Happened, yeah.
It's almost impossible. All of these six guys, these six
loggers, they're all under scrutiny that they they're,
they're going through it. But then five days later, Travis
reappears. This is great.
So he just wakes up on a road. He saw a bright light above him.
Later, he thinks it's probably the ship was leaving and he's

(22:19):
just in the middle of the road. The ship then flies away and was
gone, and he's left just in the middle of the road.
He said he felt tired and dehydrated, but he could walk
and talk and he could get help. He was just really weak.
So he starts to walk down the road and he actually recognizes
where he is eventually, which iskind of great that the aliens
dropped him where he knew he would be.

(22:40):
Thanks, aliens. So he walks a little ways and he
finds a rest stop. And so they didn't.
Drop him off where they picked him up.
No, it's relatively close. It's by a rest stop.
OK, that's nice to. Be in.
I know they're like just once. Like we'll drop you off around
the corner because we don't wantto be seen, yeah.
But just walk right there. Buddy, I have a question for

(23:01):
you. This thought just occurred to
me. Why don't the aliens turn off
the light? Because you can't see them if
they turn off their light. I think the lights are what keep
them afloat. It would be like saying why
don't you stop the exhaust in your car like you can't.
That's how the. Car.
Runs. That powers the Yeah.
OK, I think so. I I accept that.

(23:23):
OK, thank you. I'll ask once I get abducted.
OK. Yeah, that should be your first
question. Just turn on the first one,
guys. You could spy on us so much
better. How do you?
Know that that hasn't happened and we just don't know that's
true because the lights are off.Yeah, that's true.
Let's think about this. You're driving a car.
You need to see where you're going.
Yeah. Why would you turn your lights

(23:45):
off? But you need to see where you're
going. Well, I guess it depends on what
you're looking at. So you think this beam of light
that came out is because they were going to scan the ground?
Oh, no, I definitely think that that they.
Were trying to hit him. Yeah, that's like the oh.
Like a tractor beam. Tractor beam, yeah, but I but
I'm talking about like in general.
They're just trying to see the lights.
They need to see. And they probably have your

(24:06):
headlights on. And the aliens probably thought
they were in the middle of nowhere where nobody else was.
Yeah, and they were like, bonus,we get to abduct a human that.
You were going to go get a tree or something, you know, and go
back on the ship and see what itwas.
Do it a little science and they're like, Dang it, we hit a
dude. The idiot just walked towards.

(24:27):
Us walked in the middle of our experiment.
Anyway, OK, so he finds a rest stop and he finds the pay phone
and he calls his brother, which OK, not 911 I don't know but he
thought he called his brother. What would you say?
Hey, I just got dropped off around the corner by a
spaceship. Yeah, well, even at this point

(24:49):
Travis doesn't remember what happens.
He also doesn't know that he's been gone for five days and
people have been looking. For him he has no idea.
Later he goes under hypnosis andhe gets his memories but he
doesn't know it's a UFO and stuff.
And he doesn't know that it's been 5 days or what just
happened. So think about it.
You wouldn't just call the police.
He would just be so disoriented.You.
Yeah, you'd call your husband or.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess me. Yeah.

(25:10):
Tell me first because it's gonnahappen.
I would tell if I knew what had happened, I would call you.
But if I just. Didn't know.
No, he he doesn't know. He just woke.
Up. And obviously his brother
thought that Travis was dead. Right.
They're looking for him for fivedays.
Yeah. He eventually feels Travis in,
but like, you were kind of saying he thinks this is right
after he's hit by the light. He doesn't know five days has

(25:32):
passed. So his brother comes and gets
him. And then his brother tells him,
hey, dude, you've been gone for five days.
And Travis is just kind of like,wait, what?
Because he doesn't feel like anytime has passed at all.
His brother just took him straight to the hospital in
Phoenix. I think that was the closest big
hospital, and not only for a bighospital, but also to remain

(25:52):
anonymous a little bit, 'cause everybody knows everything in
the town. Yeah.
So they drive him all the way toPhoenix and the doctors find
that he's malnourished and tired, but he's not hurt in any
way. He has lost 10 lbs.
So that's a good diet plan. In five days, five days, he lost
10 lbs. Yeah.
The. Alien diet.

(26:13):
Yeah, just don't eat for five days and you might lose 10 lbs.
Wow, they didn't feed him? Well, the only mark on him was
like a puncture on his arm. So maybe a like an IV.
Yeah, maybe an IV. And they did a drug test on him.
There's no drugs in the system. But interestingly, there were

(26:33):
something called ketones in his urine, showing that he was
malnourished, but he was probably being fed intravenously
because he's stressed but not into the point of starvation, if
that makes sense. So these ketones being there
actually show that maybe the aliens were doing something to
help him. So at this point, eventually

(26:54):
everybody figures out he's back because he's checked into the
hospital. So now the sheriff drives down
to talk to Travis, and he tells him about the UFO.
Travis doesn't remember what happened, but he remembers the
UFO. He remembers everything before
and after, but he doesn't remember that in between time
the media starts to show up and all of that stuff.

(27:14):
The National Enquirer remember that.
Don't they still exist? I don't know.
I don't know. They have the crazy headlines.
They offer to step in because why wouldn't they?
To help, it's right up their alley.
They say, hey, we'll protect you, help you get out of the
like the hospital, away from allthe other press and.
You got to give us an exclusive.Exactly.

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And they they say we'll also payfor any additional testing that
you might need to figure out what happened in the last five
days. OK.
That's a pretty good deal. Yeah, they want to know what
happened and they want the rights.
So Travis remembers. And this is where it gets crazy.
Crazy. Does he go under hypnosis?
Yes, and so he goes under hypnosis many times.

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And hypnosis has its problems, Iget that.
But this is the only way he remembered otherwise he didn't.
Remember, a big majority of abductees recall their missing
times through hypnosis. And hypnosis is like, it does
legit things. The only problem is it can embed
false memories. But if it's done with by trained

(28:18):
people, it is a really good thing to use.
Yeah. So he goes under hypnosis and he
starts to remember what had happened to him.
So his first memories were jumbled up and very sporadic,
which would be so disconcerting 'cause he is just remembering
random things and eventually he puts him in chronological order.
This is what he said he remembers happened.

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OK, he remembers getting hit by the light.
And then he just remembers beingwith some doctors, what he
described as doctors. They had lab coats and masks on,
but he was in and out of consciousness at this point.
He said there was an orange light somewhere doing something.
Travis himself has a theory. He thinks he was actually killed

(29:00):
by that beam of light and the aliens brought him back to life.
Oh, wow. Isn't that crazy?
Wow. Yeah, that's his theory about
why they took him and why they gave him back because they
accidentally killed him. Yeah, like you said, he just got
in the middle of their experiment.
They're like dude, why dude do? That we're trying to beam up

(29:22):
dirt and you were now. Now we got to bring you back.
We got. To keep you for five days on
life support or whatever we. Don't have the budget for this.
But that's a good experiment forthem anyway.
Yeah, So he thinks he was hurt and taken by medical
professionals on this ship. And then he becomes more clear
and lucid after time because he's probably medicated or

(29:43):
whatever during that time period.
So he looks down and he sees a box sitting on his chest that he
didn't notice there before, but it's just sitting right on his
chest where he was hit with thatbeam of light.
He didn't look up at the person working on him.
The person that was in the room or this thing that was in the
room wasn't looking at him. It was only working on the box.
Like what kind of box? I just described it as a box on

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his chest. And nobody asked what kind of
box? A metal box?
Just a wood box. That is a small box that just
covered his chest. The person is just working on
the box while he's laying there.Like into his body.
I don't know. He doesn't know.
Oh, that's interesting. So he then sees the face of the
person that that is working on the box.
He describes them as grey. They have a thin face.

(30:27):
That's super common, right? But this is the early days of
abduction stories, right? 50s.
And yeah. So he says they have a thin
face. They're very short, about four
feet tall. They have a narrow head.
And their eyes were like slits, he said, Like grayish, whitish
skin, like somewhere in the in between.
Travis freaks out when he notices it's not a human looking

(30:50):
at him. It's something else.
And he starts to try to get away.
And he's just starts knocking everything over 'cause he's just
freaking out. It's actually a really small
room and he grabs whatever he can find to try to defend
himself against this thing. There's three beings in the room
with him. There's one working on his on
the box and there's two others standing.
Helping. I'm somehow a little offended by

(31:11):
you calling them things. I'm sorry, aliens, but he
doesn't know what they're beings.
Beings. Don't you think that they would
be mad? They're probably cool.
Those humans can call us things.I guess we're things you guys
I'll. Call them beings.
I'm getting offended. For them, okay, I'll say the
three beings in the room with him.

(31:32):
So one of the beings is working on his box chest then and the
other two are just helping. As soon as he starts to freak
out, they just this is it's likethe best reaction.
They just walk out of the room. They just abruptly like, OK, no,
I like. We are not dealing with this.
We. Came here for dirt and now we're
bringing you back to life. And he's freaking out.

(31:54):
Calm down or we're. Leaving and they left.
Yeah, they just left. Ain't no I got time for this.
Not even aliens. I don't.
It's above my pay grade. Exactly.
So Travis watches these three beings walk out.
Like, just nonchalant. Yeah, like.
Without a word. This is a Monday, OK?
Wouldn't that be freaky though? They don't say a word and they

(32:17):
just leap, no. Would that make you stop
freaking out? I'd be like, OK, fine.
I guess I was being a little dramatic.
Yeah, OK. You're right.
Right. Yeah.
That's what I would think to myself.
It's. Like when a kid has a tantrum
and you don't respond. Yeah.
And they're like, hey, I'm having a tantrum over here.
Clearly. So he chilled out.

(32:38):
No. He still.
Get freaking out. But he's not like clawing around
for something. He just stands there and watches
them walk out. Yeah, that's awesome.
That's the. Guys, I'm being dramatic and
getting no attention. That is awesome.
Yeah, that reaction that is. I love that for them.
Well so he sees them walk down the hall and they like go to the

(33:00):
left or whatever. So he goes to the down the hall
and goes to the right. So he follows.
Them, well, he they went left, he went right.
OK. And then there's a room that he
goes into that has a chair, justhas a chair in a room.
OK, so he's trying to figure outwhat what everything is.
And he's touching the wall and trying to figure a way to get
out or is there another door? But the wall is totally,

(33:22):
perfectly smooth. There's no nothing on it.
But he sees buttons on the chairand he pushes the buttons on the
chair cause of course, what doesthis do?
Classic. That's Travis, right?
Is that what you would do? I don't know if I'd start
pushing buttons, but OK. All right.
OK. We were at an Airbnb and you
just hit a button and it was thegarbage disposal.

(33:44):
It freaked us out, but you did just push a button.
I. Did just push a random button,
but I didn't know what it did. Yeah, I would, absolutely.
I think that tells you. I literally did it days ago.
And Travis or kindred spirits, Ithink.
I'm like what? Oh, a shiny red button.
By the way, he doesn't describe any symbols being on the
buttons, just buttons, just buttons.

(34:05):
Round buttons. I never really heard a
description of what the buttons.Colored buttons.
I didn't hear a colour either, you just have buttons.
OK. Are we done on the button
situation? But I would be interested to
know because I feel safer with asquare button than I do a round
button. What are you talking about?

(34:28):
Think about it. There's a square button.
Yeah, and there's a round button.
Which one's the dangerous one? The round or the squared?
The round. Thank you.
Our record button is round. And it could be dangerous, but
see if it's a square button, what if I would be more inclined
to push it? But if it was a round button,
OK, and if it was green? So all these details do.

(34:50):
Matter I I don't disagree, but Inever saw a description that he
said about the buttons. We're done with the buttons.
Apparently he doesn't care aboutbuttons as much as us.
He just went and pushed them. OK, and so once he pushes the
buttons, a star map appears in the middle of the room.
Freaking amazing that's. Awesome, just floating around in
the middle of the room. It's hard for me to understand

(35:12):
how he's describing this, but hesaid there was like lines that
ran through the map, maybe like.The longitude and multitude I.
Don't, I don't know, He just described lines and he, I don't
think he knew what the lines were or what the stars were or
any constellations or anything like that.
So he couldn't really discern, but he just knew it was stars
and there were lines within the stars.

(35:34):
So your map, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was their GPS system.
Absolutely. I think that's how they got to
where they needed to go. He just kind of was like, I
don't know what this is. And in 1975 he didn't know what
AGPS system was exactly. OK, then in the doorway, as he's
looking at these stars and pressing these buttons, a man
appears in a space suit. A human man.

(35:56):
Dun, Dun, Dun. If you've heard the story
before, that wasn't exciting, but for me it was a human man.
In a. Humanoid.
In a space suit, Yeah. And he's like.
This is awesome. A human, they'll help me, but
humans are pretty awful. I would think with the grey
aliens. I don't know, I'd go with the

(36:16):
human. Probably just.
Because it wasn't familiar. Didn't he have like blonde hair
or something? So he describes them as, yeah,
blonde haired. Yeah, there will be several
humans that he sees in space suits.
So Travis runs up to him and like says hello, I need help.
You know what you do? What you do?
You know what you would do if you were panicked, right?
This is where it's creepy. The human, their eyes are like

(36:38):
distant, like looking through him and not like fully engaged
in what he's saying. He described him almost like
they were in a trance of some sort.
Robotic. Yes.
And they don't talk to him, theyjust kind of stare at him.
Then this human grabs Travis's arm and leads him down the hall
to a different room or Travis. They so they go into this huge

(36:59):
room that is almost like a hangar for like other
spacecrafts. So this must be a huge ship.
Yeah, right. He just describes that there's
other ships within this room that he's standing in.
Or it's like a Harry Potter situation.
It always comes back to Harry Potter, you know what I mean?
It's always Harry Potter or aliens I know, and occasionally

(37:20):
big fun. They're coming together.
So exciting. But the spacecraft only looks
like, you know, the size of likean airplane, but really it's
huge inside and it has a little other.
Tent. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
So the spacecrafts he sees in the hangar look just like the
one that he saw. OK.
Oh, so he's in a mother ship? Possibly he doesn't know, but he

(37:42):
could be in a mother ship. So the humanoid is not talking
to him, just taking Travis around.
Meanwhile, Travis is asking all the questions and nobody is
answering him. That's annoying.
Huh. That.
Would be annoying. So they go through this big
hanger room and they go to this white room.
There are three other humans in space suits there, so there's 4
total humans that he sees. So Travis goes in even though

(38:04):
these humans are acting totally weird and not looking at him,
right? But he goes in because they're
human. Whatever.
I know the feeling, not looking at you right but.
You do it anyway. Well, you Mad Dog and me mad.
So they pick him up and put him on a table.
They put a mask over his face and he blacks out.
So he's probably, you know. Giving gas or something?

(38:26):
Yeah, or has gas. Listen to our last episode.
Lots of gassy people there. Yeah, so next thing he knows, he
wakes up in the middle of the road.
So that's what happened to him. In this five day span.
But he was in and out of consciousness for a lot of it.
And who knows how he how long hewas unconscious at the end.
So like I said, Travis thinks hedied and that they were just

(38:47):
giving him medical attention, bringing him back to life.
He theorized that box on his chest was life support and was
fixing whatever radiation damagehappened to his heart and
there's no other lasting damage there.
I mean, he was examined. There's nothing wrong with his
chest or heart or anything. So Travis gets back and he meets
back up with the crew members. OK, let's go back in our time.

(39:07):
He tells them everything, and every single one of them just
believe him. They're like, yeah, dude, that
probably happened to you. Yeah, we.
Saw you. Yeah, we saw you by that beam.
Yeah. So one of the really important
things to remember about these other loggers, these six other
men, they didn't share a lot of it because the IT was so
traumatic for them, obviously, right?
It's super, super traumatic. Ken Peterson, the guy that

(39:29):
called 911, I saw an interview with him.
He's still scared. He says he still cries about it
because it's so traumatic. What happened?
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Would that not be traumatic? What part the?
Aliens seeing your friend hit by, I don't know, a ray of
light, No. No, it would be.

(39:50):
I don't, I don't know. Just be that level of scared is
probably the biggest thing, right?
Just that scared of everything. So some of them, but hold on.
Do you think the scared is coming from like the unknown?
Like this is something that I'venever experienced.
I have no idea what's happening to me.
I'm way into UFO and aliens and I feel like it's not a super

(40:12):
foreign subject to me. So I mean, would I be absolutely
losing my shit if I? I saw a UFO.
Absolutely. And then if I saw you get hit,
it's still the unknown. I don't know where you're going.
I don't know what's happening toyou.
Yeah, I would totally be traumatized, but I would be a

(40:32):
little bit more familiar with the subject.
Do you think that's what's scaring them?
That they literally saw something that they had no
knowledge of? Awareness of, yeah, awareness,
that's a huge part. And you, wouldn't you always be
scared to be out in the woods orsomething?
You'd always think about this. But I think you're right.
The more knowledge you have of something, the less.
You're fearful of it, right? I actually watched a documentary

(40:55):
on Netflix that was about Black Hawk Down after that, and these
soldiers are just talking about men getting killed and stuff.
And I'm like, I guess they're more in that environment.
It's so traumatic for them, right?
But it would be way more traumatic for me, who has no
experience. Yeah.
Who? I've never seen someone get shot
and died. That would be life.
Yeah. Altering for me, that would

(41:17):
change me as a person. But for them, it's just another
different Wednesday. Yeah.
So the answer to your question isn't that I'm being like, oh, I
wouldn't be scared. I mean, I would be.
I would completely change my life if you were Travis or
whatever, even though I'd be theTravis in the situation.
You would be. But less so then I.
Agree crying 40 years later I totally completely agree.

(41:38):
Yes. So yeah, I just want to explain
where I was coming from. I'm not being like, oh, I
wouldn't be traumatized, but. But you're more into all of that
kind of stuff, and I think if you want it to happen, it's
totally different than if it happens to you.
Against your will, yeah, yeah. And I think even if it happened
to me and I'm totally being likesuper silly, but kind of not
really not really though. But if it happened, it would be

(42:01):
different for me I. Agree, it would be more
traumatic for me than for you I think.
But you would still be less traumatized than these guys
would be. Yeah, Don't you think these guys
are like loggers? They're living in the middle of
the forest. There have been very few.
There have been abduction stories, but not a lot.
Yeah. You're right.
And so it's not as commonly known.

(42:21):
And so they might not even have heard of these other abduction
stories, so. It's totally insane.
Or or of a UFO. We're talking pre Internet pre.
You know, maybe if you picked itup about the right newspaper,
you might have read a story about it.
Yeah, OK. That's where we're at.
Met with that and you can see interviews with Travis.
There's a movie. I didn't watch the movie because
I kind of read that. They changed a lot of stuff.

(42:41):
I watched the movie and it's really different.
Yeah, I can't remember. What it's called?
Fire in the sky, Fire in the sky, fire in the sky.
I just watched the preview and Iwas, I could see a few things
that didn't match the story. And so I was like, well, I don't
want to have that interfere withmy.
But I did listen to interviews with him, and he hasn't changed
his story since 1975. He's still alive.

(43:02):
Yeah. And kicking.
And none of the loggers have changed their story.
And some of them have ruined their lives because they were
connected to this and seen as crazy people.
Yeah. So especially at that time,
they're not like. Now you could go around and say
a UFL and yeah, some people might think you're crazy, but
less so. Oh for sure for sure.
It's way more accepted now. Yeah, there's huge abductee

(43:24):
conventions now. You'd be invited as a guest
speaker nowadays. And the government released all
those files that say, yeah, we've seen.
But then peace. That is weird.
Yeah, Oh, yeah. Because this, there's much more,
but there's so much that substantiates that something
crazy happened, whether or not it was aliens, something was it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So in all, by the way, 16 lie

(43:46):
detector tests have been given about this event, 16 because the
men were given it multiple timesand then Travis was given it.
All of them passed. 16 times. Crazy.
And again, the only one that didn't pass was that other one
that was just a retake. All of them during the polygraph
test described the same things. None of them changed their
stories. Most of them hated that this was
part of their lives and they changed their names.

(44:08):
Most of them moved away and justwere like, I don't want any part
of this. It's a terrible thing.
I don't want to be associated with it.
But they still have never changed their story.
Isn't that crazy? It blew my mind when they were
humans on the ship because there's a whole, what is it,
Aryan? Have you heard of the Aryan
aliens? Because I was like, wah, there

(44:29):
you go. There's our story of Travis
Walton being abducted by aliens.Aliens.
Sorry, humans or beings? Beings, Beings, that's what they
like to be called. Several of them that don't talk
to him. That's where they would be two
species. I know on the same ship.
And that's like such a random thing for Travis to have
made-up. Like if you were just going to,

(44:51):
you know, double down, you're going to say they were all green
beans. And even his description is a
little bit different than most descriptions.
He didn't describe a big old bulbous head and stuff, but
black eyes. But they he described them as
more slits of eyes, not huge black eyes.
And did they have a mouth? Yeah, he never described like a
nose, but I maybe you just don'tdescribe a nose.
I don't know. But he never described one in.

(45:13):
Yeah, There you go. Why are the aliens?
They're always short, they're always small framed, but they
have big brains, yeah. Yeah, that's what evolution did
to them. But then there's the humanoid
ones. I think they're aliens that
breed with humans. So they took some humans and
then bred with them, and then they impregnated the women
abductees. That constant theme of them

(45:34):
taking eggs and taking sperm from men too, that's weird.
That's us. Your beings are a little weird.
But if you're going to run an experiment, that's one of the
things you would do in biology is you would take gametes.
See what's up? Yeah.
Right, they really are at the core.
Right. To analyze their DNA and stuff

(45:55):
you would. That's was something you would
examine. And then you would do what we
did and make artificial life. Yeah.
So maybe there are. Well, that's what they did.
That's what they did. What?
They took sperm from a guy, eggsfrom a lady, and they made
little humans were theirs. Like in vitro fertilization

(46:16):
type. In.
In what? In an alien surrogate?
Sure, that's a thought. Out there, I just came up with
it and I'm going to take credit for.
It you heard it here. Because that's what I wouldn't
do that, but I could see us likescientifically doing something
like that. And if there weren't like no
ethical bounds. Yeah, sure.

(46:36):
Because they think of us as below them anyway.
I mean, we do that with animals.Yeah, exactly.
With animals all the time. Exactly.
Yeah. So that's what they think about
us. But they're nice and they drop
us near a rest stop. That is very nice of call our
brother. I really think that it was
probably an accident. I agree.
And that he was being super obnoxious.
Yeah. And they were like, we're not

(46:58):
dealing with this. Or like, Oh no, he saw us.
What do we do? Hit him with the kill him.
And then they're like, oh, there's other dude.
What do we you know? Bring him back.
Yeah, bring him back and then erase his memory.
But his memory did not get erased.
Oh yeah, it doesn't. It just gets suppressed, it gets
hidden. But maybe it's not even aliens
doing that. When you have a very, very

(47:19):
traumatic thing happening, your brain will protect you that way.
Yeah, so trauma works. So it might not not even been
them messing with his brain at all.
That's true. He just blocked it.
And maybe the medication, the drugs they were giving him,
that's going to interfere with your memory too.
Yeah. What do you think the percentage
of disappearances are? Like people who disappear?

(47:39):
How many of them are aliens? Are alien abductions or
percentage? Pretty low.
Do you think so? Yeah, I don't think that.
How many humans do you need to? Take are they keeping them alive
or do you think they kill them after they do the experiment?
I think they keep them alive. I think so too.
So do you think there's humans just like an alien planets
hanging out? Yeah, they're part of the.
Crew now, but the humans were all in space suits.

(48:00):
But those probably weren't humans.
Do you think they were abductees?
That's what I thought. I thought that they were
abductees, but they are. They're breathing some other
thing, like the aliens have whatever they breathe.
Or maybe they don't breathe and the humans need oxygen and so
they're in space suits 'cause they're living among the aliens.
Whoa, you don't think they're a?Different breed of aliens that

(48:22):
are just humanoids. I don't know because I had never
heard of this Aryan alien thing before and so I just assumed
they were humans that had been abducted before and they're
working with the aliens. No, there's a whole bunch.
There's a book written about allthe different species.
Here's the problem with cryptidsand alien abduction stories and
stuff. The people that are really into

(48:43):
this are a little wackadoo. I need more sciency peoples, you
know what I mean? What makes them wackadoo that
they believe in that? Not that they believe in it, but
they don't. They take a lot of leaps.
They don't fairly analyze everything.
They do take a lot of leaps and like something like this.
I was all for this because there's so much other

(49:04):
corroborating evidence, but it seems like when you want to
believe, you just want to believe, and you won't, you just
you dismiss things. Yeah, that's fair.
But I get it. If you want to believe, you want
to believe. I don't think I'm so far out
there that I dismiss things. That's why I'll never do a
Bigfoot episode. I'm too scared.
Yeah, because there's some points in that one that you

(49:26):
might not like, but I want to believe in Bigfoot.
I want to believe in him. That's why we'll never do it.
There's some points that I heardand I was like, oh, maybe he's
not real. I don't know.
I have him tattooed on my body, so you better be real.
I believe in you, Bigfoot. Awesome.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank. You for being here.
Thank you for letting me talk. I love anything aliens, so that

(49:50):
was amazing. All right, nosy friends, thanks
for joining us. And until next time, stay nosy
and remember, life's too short not to wonder about the weird
stuff. Catch on the flippity flip.
Bye. Bye.

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