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December 9, 2025 β€’ 54 mins

Dr. Antonio Pascual-Leone picks up from last episode to discuss the intricate relationship between emotional arousal and therapeutic processes. He emphasizes the importance of understanding emotional arousal not just as a standalone phenomenon but as a part of a broader context that includes meaning-making and narrative. Then, Dan and Dr. Pascual-Leone dive into the sequential transformation of emotions, highlighting how the order of emotional experiences can significantly impact therapeutic outcomes and ultimately, how the idea that therapy is not merely about resolving issues but fostering emotional growth and resilience.

Dr. Antonio Pascual-Leone is a clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Windsor, Canada.

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