AI Therapy: The Dangerous Rise of Digital Mental Health

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The rise of AI chatbots masquerading as mental health professionals has sparked fierce resistance from actual therapists—and with good reason. In this eye-opening episode, we unpack the deadly consequences when venture capitalists prioritize profit over people's wellbeing. We share shocking real-world examples: a man with schizophrenia who tested an AI that enthusiastically encouraged him to stop taking his medication, and the heartbreaking case of a teenage boy who committed suicide after an AI validated his darkest thoughts.

What makes this trend particularly insidious is how these companies claim their systems are "trained" while potentially violating patient confidentiality and HIPAA regulations. Unlike legitimate therapists who coordinate emergency services when clients are in danger, AI chatbots simply tell users what they think they want to hear—a practice known as "love bombing"—without any safety protocols in place.

The conversation shifts to another bizarre trend: men shaving their eyelashes to appear more masculine. This practice, which gained traction after public figures like JD Vance were mocked for their naturally long lashes, ignores the important protective function eyelashes serve. Doctors warn that removing eyelashes can lead to painful infections and eye problems—hardly the masculine image these men are trying to project!

We also discuss the broken American healthcare system, where insurance companies routinely obstruct access to care through high copays and "clawbacks," reclaiming payments from providers months after services are rendered. This forces many Americans to choose between financial security and necessary mental healthcare, creating the very vulnerability that predatory AI services exploit.

Have you encountered these AI therapy services or other questionable health trends? Share your thoughts with us on social media or leave a review. Your mental health deserves real human connection, not algorithmic approximations!

Disclaimer: This podcast represents the opinions of Dr. Bridget Melton, MD and licensed therapist Marissa Volinsky, MS, LPC, NCC. The contents of our podcast and website should not be taken as medical advice. The contents of our podcast and website are for general informational purposes only, and are not intended to diagnose, treat, prevent, or cure any condition or disease or substitute for medical advice. Always seek the advice of your physician, mental health professional, or other qualified health care provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment and before starting or discontinuing treatment.

If you or someone you know is experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis, please reach out immediately to the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255 or text HOME to the Crisis Text Line at 741741. These services are free and confidential.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm sorry it sounds gross, but it's for sure oh yeah
, he likes it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, he's a healthy boy.
So, anyway, today's topic let'sdive right in First and
foremost is have anybody hasheard now?
He's excited.
He's as angry as me about thisAI chatbots trying to replace
actual, knowledgeable, educatedtherapists.
I'm sure, before I even go intothis, you're all saying that is
illegal and probably unethicaland dangerous.

(01:39):
You're 100% correct.
It is A lot of people in myfield, a lot of therapists, my
field, a lot of therapists.
We have a lot of group chats andfacebook groups and we stay
very active and we are trying tofight it and I believe,
actually, one of the states wonrecently.
Was it illinois?
I think it was illinois likethey won, saying like they were
not going to allow that.
Um, because what's happening isa lot of um, rich venture

(02:02):
capitalists are trying to comein, as always, get like their
18th yacht.
They don't care about you oryour family or actual productive
health from someone who'swell-educated, and they want you
to just find you know, talk toan AI, grab your money and
they're selling it to thesepeople because they know right
now with the economy, things arenot going so great.

(02:23):
So they know that you obviouslyare struggling with mental
health, but you don't have themoney, maybe for like a high
copay or a self-pay session.
So what they're saying is, whenthey promote this is oh well,
for just 20 or $30, you couldtalk to an AI chatbot instead of
maybe like a $50 copay or stufflike that.
The problem is is there arestories popping up all over of
where this is incrediblydangerous.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bridget go ahead yeah , so I actually just read an
article um, I can't remember whoposted it originally, but the
skim um posted it in their dailyletters.
Um, so they're love bombing,basically okay.
So first of all, you need tounderstand how ai works.
They collate a bunch of datafrom the internet basically it's
like google times 10 and theyjust take all that and formulate

(03:06):
an answer that they think ismost suitable.
They don't actually have humanreason, so they cannot gauge a
response based on the actualsituation, correct?
So they're love bombing becausethat's like a, something that
they find on the internet thatpeople love to hear.
They're like oh yes, queen, yougo, girl.
So there's a real life exampleof a.
I think it was a man who hasschizophrenia and he told his AI

(03:27):
chatbot yeah, he's upset.
I'm going to Theo's talking toa dog right now A real one, not
an AI one.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, a real one.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
He said I'm going to stop taking my antipsychotic
medications.
And the chatbot responded likeyes, king, you do it.
Like do it for yourself, boy.
And he was like he did this toprove that you cannot substitute
this for therapy.
And then he, you know, hadscreenshots and everything.
This thing, basically, wouldhave convinced someone who's

(03:56):
mentally unwell to stop takingtheir antipsychotic medications
because it thinks that's theanswer.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You want to hear, yes , which, as Marissa knows,
therapy is not just giving youthe answer you want to hear
Correct and also we always speakwith, like outside resources
and referrals and situationswhere like say, if we know
someone is suicidal, right, wecall the hotline for that or we
get them a higher level of care.
These are things we do outsideof session to make sure our
client is a hundred percent safeand gets the help they need.

(04:23):
Even if it isn't it's not us,it's someone else at the higher
level, fine, I know who to call,you'll be safe.
A chat bot is not going to dothat.
I feel like a few months ago,before you even mentioned this,
bridget, I had originallystarted hearing about it because
a teenage boy maybe 12 or 13,did commit suicide because they
were talking to the ai snapchatyou know that snapchat and like

(04:47):
I forget it I don't want toquote things because, again, I
don't remember exactly what theysaid but it kind of like
assisted him in saying, likeit'll be fine, like everyone
will be fine in your absence,like just do it, we talked about
this, um god, that's horrendousshe's.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I know the mother's suing.
Yeah, my God.
We did talk about this a fewsessions ago where they are
encouraging because we havetalked about this definitely
where Gen Z doesn't have thesame social skills because
they're not reaching out inperson, so parents are
encouraging them to have anyform of conversations, even if
that is with chat, gpt, sorryhe's so cute.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Guest star is really distracting.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
He actually loves that um, so they're encouraging
them to have any form ofcommunication with somebody,
even if that's with the chat,gpt, ai, whatever and, um, like,
they're using it as therapy,even if they're not using this
truly like the way that thesepeople want it to be.
They're just chatting and theyfind that it releases a bit of a

(05:46):
mental load because they havesomebody to talk to.
Bit sad, yes, but also, like wesaid, they're just feeding you
information that they think youwant to hear.
It's really tragic.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
We have to consider is, if you want therapy and you
think talking to an AI is betterthan a therapist, then ask
yourself if you need therapy, ifjust Googling things is good
enough, because that's whatyou're doing WebMD for diagnosis
, that's all it is.
It's just, instead of having tophysically search, it's doing
it for you.
You know like you're asking thequestion and it's pulling up
all the info.
Yes, that's all it's doing.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean, the same could be said about you know, if
you were truly, let's say,suicidal ideation, stuff like
that, and you wouldn't just talkto your friends, you wouldn't
be like, should I do it right?
Like your friends obviously arethe first point of call, maybe
because you need to talk tosupport, but that should not be
like I'm taking their medicaladvice correct, correct, um also
.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
So what the thing with this is?
Because now these venturecapitalists we call them bcs, um
, they're kind of trying to pushback, saying well, they are
trained, like they how are theytrained?
this is why they're allowed tolegally say that, even though
I'll tell you what they mean bytrained.
What they did was so recently,maybe within the last year or
two, things came out to automatestuff for us to make our life

(06:59):
easier, and as long as weallowed the client to know that
it was happening and they signedoff on it, it was a we were
allowed to do it.
And what I mean is it allowsthis process to listen to the
session again.
It doesn't save a war.
They claimed it didn't save itfor hipa reasons, but then after
the session, before they claimthey would delete the session,
they would write a note for youbecause it cut back on note

(07:23):
writing for therapists, right,so therapists could just be
therapists and not have to donotes we're already entering a
really dangerous it was training, yeah, that whole time.
So now they're fighting back incourt saying, well, they, they
are trained by licensedtherapists.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, you stole our sessions, yeah we're also
entering a huge data protectionissue, because if they're using
that for training withoutpatient, patient consent, yes I
never did it because obviouslywhen we talked about it in the
group I'm in, they're like don'tdo it.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
They suspected this.
Of course we were all worriedthat we were just kind of like
um going down a rabbit hole,conspiracy theorist.
But it turns out we were right.
Um, also, I found it to behighly unethical.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I was like I'm not gonna tell my clients this no,
the same way that you have anautomated phone call and says
for training purposes, you willbe recorded unless you are
telling your patients that fortraining purposes, you are
violating HIPAA yes, right,correct, correct.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
so also, what I don't like about it is you.
They don't know who is actuallya good therapist or not.
So what if you were listeningon bad therapists?
Right?
So now you're trained off ofbad therapists there are,
unfortunately, I hate to admitit, there's a bunch in every
field and we definitely have ourbunch.
So also, it does probablyattract lazier therapists, right

(08:32):
?
People who just don't want todo the hard part of therapy,
which is all the notes and forms, so they might be a more higher
percentage of worse therapists,right?
Yeah, so now you have toconsider okay, so they are
trained, but if they're trainedby bad therapists, you're
getting bad therapy.
It's concerning.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's extremely concerning, I mean, unless we're
looking through everyone'scredentials, their records,
their okay, right, their patient, um, also might I add?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
sorry to interrupt you, they're not specifying if
they're getting them from LAC orLPC versus LSW, lcsw, so you
have the lower, so okay.
So when you first get out ofgrad school you are considered a
lower credential, like I was anLAC at first and I had to get
4,500 hours and spend and youcouldn't do it all in one year.
They want to.
It had to be three yearsminimum because they didn't want
people to cry, they want you tohave experience.

(09:27):
So so for three years I was anlac, before I came an lpc right
and basically that means you'reyou know, you're fresh out of
grad school, you really don'tknow what you're doing, and
these places they, when you'resigning up for these automated
notes that they're training aioff of, you can be an lac of
course, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
So you have not a lot of real world experience.
You're just getting your feetwet in your field and now we're
using you to train ai, which isgoing to all patients that's so
which, by the way, the biggest,obviously highest mistakes is in
the beginning of your career.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
That's how you learn.
So I mean also, they are allallowing interns, graduate
interns, to use this.
So now we're getting interns.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So now, if you're an l, what was it?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
lpac is first lpc okay, so now, if you're an, lac
or you're an intern.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Is it correct to say that you might have someone
senior working above you?
That?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
yes, you have to confer with okay, you have to.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So if a human with an education degree etc.
Has to confer with a senior, asupervisor, a supervisor, before
we put your advice out into theworld.
Why could a chatbot not that'sso wrong?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
because they're not owned by a therapist or a social
worker, they're owned by a vc.
There's no regulation.
No, no regulation right alsocompany.
May I mind you, we have alsocaught they have been selling
this to life coaches, which isan unregulated field, so life
coaches may use it too, becausethey do notes.
I could be a life coach, you,you, actually, you can.
You could proclaim yourselfright now a life coach of grief

(10:45):
therapy, and then you're done,right, wow?
So they're also doing it, butthey may still pile them under
their data as a therapist or acounselor, right?
So this is a very gray area andthe vcs are getting away with
it because, well, because theyhave money and they can throw it
at a wall, right, they don'tcare so how can we okay your

(11:05):
governing body?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm assuming you have like a state, oh yeah.
So how can we combat this?
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
People have to stop.
Here's the thing.
A lot okay, this is a lot ofangles here, because in order to
fight back against VCs and notuse it, you actually have to
really get to the core of peoplein low socioeconomic status who
are using this because theycan't afford it, but they need
therapy, right.
So we really need to combat,like, let's find services that
are maybe accessible toeverybody.

(11:33):
And if that means which may gointo another topic, because I
know he did just cut mentalhealth funding for schools, so
for schools, yeah, yeah, yeah,so that's gone.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Sorry, that sounded lighthearted, not funny.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
So the problem is is we need to find a way where we
can allocate funds for mentalhealth for people who can't
afford.
Right?
I know some people have greatco-pays.
Don't get me wrong, because inmy practice alone I have people
with like $5 co-pays.
But not get me wrong, becausein my practice alone I have
people with like five dollarco-pays.
But not everyone has a greatjob that gives them a low copay.
Right, because I do see a lotof 50, 75, oh yeah.

(12:09):
And if you need to be seen onceor twice weekly, that's a lot
of money, oh yeah.
So we need to figure out how tofirst of all fight insurance
companies.
People are paying into this andyou're making them pay 75 copay
.
That should be a crime, a crime.
Shout out to luigi.
What was that kid's name?
luigi evangio, if you're inprison listening to our podcast,
we love you uh, we're going tojail for that.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's really effed up what you did.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, it is, but like I think everyone was kind of like
nice in our therapist group wewere like, do you think a jury
would acquit him?
Just because because, as aslike mental health therapists,
we're like, yeah, because a lotof us that own our own practices
, we know how it is to fightinsurance companies and how like
they'll pretend to pay you andthen claw it back.
I don't know if you know whatclawbacks is.
No, I do when they pay you andthen six months later they take

(12:54):
it back out of your businessaccount, but you've already paid
your employees.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
How do they get away with that?
Or we signed a contract statingthey're allowed to claw back if
they deem the service wasn'tnecessary.
Yeah, how can they?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
how can an insurance company who's not a health
professional say?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
therapy is not necessary.
They hire people on their staffthat audit and they apparently
have our credentials and theyapparently know when someone's
mentally unwell just by lookingat these paper.
Yep right, yeah, oh, bridget, Iguess I haven't told you about
this.
I think I could go off on twohours.
You guys will hate, hate me.
Therapists hate insurance.
It's like a means to an end,like we need them obviously to
make ends meet, but they're soevil and unethical.

(13:31):
Honestly, it will take morethan two hours, but I digress.
I digress this.
The hornitos is getting mereally angry.
It's getting me revved up.
We're hornitos, but it is so I.
I get so angry.
So we really need to combatthat, like first, accessible
health care funding and alsofight the insurance companies.
They shouldn't be able to clawback money from people who need

(13:53):
therapy, for also, they pay intoit, they pay to use their
insurance, and now you're saying, oh, you don't deserve it I
mean, that's like if someonewent to um the emergency room
and they had some x-rays andthen a random data analyzer was
like that was unnecessary.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
How do you know you didn't see the broken wrist?
How do you know the x-raywasn't necessary?
How can someone without anymedical training just say that
doesn't feel necessary?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh, it's getting ridiculous.
So point.
So we like to all help eachother out, obviously in our
groups.
So we recently learned thatwhen she was audited, even
though her everything, her noteswere up to par, because she
didn't write the, the clientsaid the session helped.
She owed thousands of dollars.
So I had to up my notes to sayyes or no.
Drop down for my, my therapist.

(14:35):
Did the client find the sessionhelpful?
Is that not ridiculous?
They're not even the mentalhealth professional.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
You know what's so similar this is so funny Is our
mom, jerry.
She'll whenever she hasphysical therapy for something,
and she taught me this when Iwas like 10.
I went to physical therapy whenI was 10 because of bad knee.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Anyway, well, you got beat.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
No, I'm just kidding, but when you're in physical
therapy, you guys take note ofthis.
Every couple weeks or something, they give you that patient
information sheet and it sayslike where's your pain now?
Do you have function back?
And at 10, I was like, yes, butI said all this because I
really liked my physicaltherapist and I wanted them to
get like a rave.
And I was like, yes, killing it, queens, crushing it.
Yeah, I didn't know that I was10.

(15:14):
So, mom, she had a bustedshoulder recently and she's like
I still fill out, like cannotopen a jar without pain, because
she's like that's the only wayto get insurance to pay for it,
and she's like it's true, butlike you have to harp on it, you
have to be like I'm still insevere pain, I don't have
functional capacity back and Ican't open a jar still with my
shoulder, and I was like, ohshit, that has no reflection of

(15:36):
the quality of care you'regetting.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So don't worry, you're not going to offend your
therapist, it's just forinsurance purposes yep, I
believe um luigi mangione uh didkilled the uh ceo on the cusp
of united saying, yeah, theywere pulling back.
Um, what's that thing?
I'm sorry because, see, the thealcohol has got me crazy, but
what's the thing?
You need to anesthesia, thankyou, oh yeah, so they pulled
back on that um and there wereso many um tiktoks of people

(16:00):
being like I'm literally um, Ijust had anesthesia done and my
patient's already knocked out,but I have to be on the phone
with insurance because they saidthey weren't gonna pay for this
or something like because theythey had a limit on anesthesia.
They weren't gonna pay after acertain so we're not gonna allow
people yes, pain, pain,paralyzed surgery and this all
was on the cusp of and then,like, like literally month later
, after I was watching all thesevideos of doctors outraged in

(16:22):
the U S, he killed the CEObecause it was United healthcare
who was doing that.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, so I'm going to just touch on anesthesia.
So anesthesia has three mainparts, but the two most
important, obviously, are muscleparalysis and pain relief.
The third is knocks you out Ican't remember the term right
now, sorry, I'm having amargarita.
So muscle paralysis, basicallylike sleepy time meds what's the

(16:49):
stuff that killed MichaelJackson at propofol?
And pain relief.
Okay, you need all three ofthose elements to make a
cocktail.
Now, anesthesiologists asannoying as they are, it's just
a medical thing.
We always fight withanesthesiologists.
They are basically like mathwhizzes.
They work out the exact dosefor your age, gender and weight

(17:12):
to put you to sleep, to inducemuscle paralysis and to relieve
your pain.
You need those three thingsWithout hurting you, without
killing you or being ineffective, which can happen, by the way.
So they do the math the nightbefore your surgery.
They have all your data.
That's why you go for like apre-op, so they know literally
every health biometricmeasurement.
They give you the perfectcocktail to put you to sleep so

(17:32):
you don't feel pain.
You cannot successfully dothese things without the proper
dosage.
It's not like ananesthesiologist is like shoot
them with five milligrams morejust for that.
That's not how it works.
They give you the right amountfor the length of surgery that
you will be under and for yourweight and age.
So there is no like she didn'tneed it, but we gave it anyway.

(17:53):
That's called death.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I feel like I don't think I'm misquoting it, but I
remember it was like they werenot going to pay for anything
over two hours, but some peoplehave surgeries that are five to
eight.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
First of all, some people, most people, unless
you're in my field, which isobstetrics we keep it under two
hours Almost any other surgery.
Yes, it was two hours.
I'm pretty sure Spinal surgery,neurosurgery, cardiothoracic
surgery, Even some generalsurgeons are relatively fast
nowadays.
But anything with the bowelwe're over two hours.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I'm pretty sure.
I mean I guess don't quote mebecause I am drinking, but I'm
pretty sure it said anythingover two hours was the patient's
responsibility.
That makes zero sense.
So if I needed cardiothoracicsurgery because I'm dying, it's
my responsibility when I tellyou, if that was me, I just
never would pay, or only pay $5a month for the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
How about extremely complex surgeries that we
encourage, like organ donation?
So now I'm giving up a kidney.
You're welcome society.
I'm giving up a kidneyaltruistically, and that's,
let's say, you know, takes threeto four hours.
Now I'm responsible for myanesthesia because I'm doing a
good thing.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
They reversed it the day after they found out he shot
the CEO.
So thank you Luigi, thanks Lulu, a working class hero.
That's why my friends in thechat were like you think they
will quit him.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Because, like he did a good deed.
I mean, that is some fucked upshit.
That's really insane.
How do people justify that?
I hate insurance companies andI don't even work in this
country, but that's one of thebig reasons.
My husband, who's a doctor aswell he's english and he's like
I don't want to work in thestates because part of your job
is if you own your own practiceis also being like billing and
he's like I don't want to dothat.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I know, but that's like I just, or you do what I
did.
I don't do therapy anymore, Ionly do that, that's true,
because I honestly, I prefer itbecause I can work whenever I
want, wherever I want yeah, yeahon my hours, you know.
So I mean honestly, maybe he'slike you know, being a doctor is
hard on my feet.
Now I'm in my 50s, I prefer tojust stay home.
My computer new little bill howsad is that that you have?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
to have like a.
You know it's just.
How is that someone'sresponsibility like I mean?
This is the classic exampleeverybody gives is you're born
with type one diabetes.
You don't have.
You need the insulin, not yourfault not your fault at all.
Yet they're like you, gotta payfor it, sucker.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
What?
It is a bit ridiculous.
I've never liked our healthcaresystem, but I mean I think we
need a hybrid situation.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
There are a lot of countries that you can have
private and you can have public.
So if you're one of them, right, yes, yes, you can have private
, kind of.
So it's not like everyone hasthe government cheese.
You don't have to do it thatway.
If you want to pay private, 100, go for a queen.
You know what I mean.
Theo has feelings about this,and when you do it this way, the
private costs much less becausenot that many people want it,

(20:37):
so they have to be competitive,right, right, whereas in the us
it's your only option, so theycan jack that price up also as
high as I want, might I add inthis country, which I find is
ridiculous, you're punished fornot having it, even if you can't
afford it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
So come tax season, if you don't say you have health
insurance, you have a fine,which it's like obviously if I
don't have it, I can't pay forit.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
So now you're fining me.
I don't have health insurancehere, but I pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
You're not a full-time citizen.
You don't live here a majorityof your time.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh, so it doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm pretty sure you're fine.
You don't live here a majorityof your time.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Also, I'm pretty sure Jerry takes care of your
students.
No, no, no, I know, but I haveto do it with Steve.
No, I almost shit myself.
I don't have $800 right now.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
You would have known by now Tax season's over.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Steve would have told you, Steve.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Would you like to weigh in Steve?
Would, you like to come onPsychotic Pussy Podcast.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Steve, explain finances to me, Steve.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Steve, I do love you, but I think if we had a whole
45 minutes on finances, peoplemight tune out they might be
bored.
I have a brother-in-law who'san accountant and he just
explains things to us randomly.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I'm like, what are you talking about, john?
No, no, no, that's funny.
I have a lot of accountants inmy life, no, but john doesn't
randomly lecture us on finances.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's because he honestly, he hates them too he
hates how life is.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
No, tom loves it.
He's such a nerd.
But he'll just be like lookingat Theo and give a whole lecture
on taxes and everyone will belike nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And I'm like wait, I do, Cause I don't understand
money Like explain, but thething with, as great as that is,
he can only explain England, hecan't explain.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I know I'm like someone.
Please explain money to me.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
That's how I am.
You know what's crazy.
I was just thinking recentlybecause some people have wanted
to start a practice and theyrealized they can only do the
therapy portion of it.
Right and without hiringsomeone, which cuts into your
profits.
It probably isn't feasibleunless you come into this with
like a big lump sum, right,right.
I just I feel like I'm soblessed.
I'm going to give a shout outto my husband.
I was only able to create mybusiness because my husband
knows the business side.

(22:36):
I don don't do that he does it.
I worry about the therapy andthe therapist and he does the
business and that works great, Ilike.
What's crazy is though Iwouldn't have known that years
ago.
So like, thank god I justhappened to marry someone who is
like that, because what if Iwould have screwed myself?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
he knows words like fiduciary what does that mean?
And I know hornitos guys, thisis bang for your buck.
We're talking about we're goinginto a recession.
Queens, you're talking, bangfor your buck.
It's this uh, on the rock, it'sreally packed.
We're one margarita in thistornitos is I'm strong.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I did the cosmo one.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I was like on the floor all right you're, you talk
, we're talking recession seasonand only one bottle is like 21
and it's a big bottle you canpass out every day for three
weeks wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
We're supposed to be a health podcast.
We're tracking that.
The hornitos has got us talkingcrazy.
Got us talking like ai chopbats okay.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Do you want to go to sleep with the tequila?
Tequila buzz every night for 21days.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's like the infomercial part of it sponsored
by hornitos.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
No, no, no on the rocks which is funded by
hornitos.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Theo would like to say a word about the evils of
the insurance companies andhealth care.
He is trying to fight themicrophone.
He wants to lick thatmicrophone.
He is so upset he's silenced,he's stunned into silence.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Theo there.
Theo.
Okay, we're moving on a bit, sothis is a total flip of the
switch here.
But new trend again.
Read it in the skim, literally.
Read it on the news, in thenews.
This is a very real thing.
That's happening is there's anew trend, new trend alert Men,
men who I would say are maybe abit immature I'm not going to

(24:25):
say all men here, men who listento Andrew Tate, possibly
they're trimming, waxing andshaving eyelashes to appear more
masculine.
Weird, very weird Men,apparently just men existing in
the world with God-giveneyelashes are deemed too
feminine no eyeliner, no mascara, no makeup, just a man with a

(24:49):
penis and eyelashes Apparentlytoo feminine.
One of the people absolutelyroasted for just being himself,
I assume, was actually Vicepresident jd vance, who which is
why I on our instagram, Iposted um an ai image of jd
vance in drag.
He basically just exists withhis god-given eyelashes and

(25:13):
people trolled him.
They said he was wearingeyeliner and mascara, um, which
apparently is not true.
He's just kind of pale, withlight eyes and dark hair.
Um, and men said which is funnybecause you'd assume, men who
would follow this trend kind ofsupport the current
administration.
But anyway, they trolled jdvance and said uh, he is too

(25:35):
feminine, needs to stop wearingeye makeup and that they, to
appear more masculine, willstart shaving off their
eyelashes.
Now, medically, uh, obviouslyyou're born with eyelashes
because they prevent certainparticulate matter from getting
in your eye.
The first, you know all yourbody hair really is like your
first barrier against uminfections.

(25:56):
Same with earwax it's a barrieragainst infections getting in
your ear.
Um, yes, okay, it's a bithypocritical because, for a
reason, people there's no reason.
Hypocritical because women likefucking wax everything off.
We're like hair, not today.
Yeah, as ted always says,anything below the eyelashes
women just tend to likeelectrocute off.

(26:17):
We would not do that to oureyelashes, though.
That's weird, exactly, baby'sgonna sneeze he's about to.
He's about to um, sohypocritical for us to judge,
but we are.
So men, uh are doing this and alot of um doctors and you, or
even just like allied healthprofessionals, are kind of

(26:38):
saying please don't do this,because you need your eyelashes.
Also, if you shave, trim etc.
You're opening yourself up toreally nasty, ingrown hairs in a
very sensitive location.
Men know this, because men Iknow you manscape, obviously,
and your hair tends to be a bitthicker, wireier than women's.
And so when you do certain likebeard shave, neck beard, uh,

(26:59):
maybe even pubes, you do getingrown hairs.
It is what it is.
You deal with it.
Now imagine that on yourfucking eyelid you're gonna get
a sty weekly, yeah, and you'regonna constantly have.
So you want to talk aboutfeminine.
You're gonna be walking aroundwith a fucking cold compress on
your eye like blind.
But that's fine, that's totallyjust go blind, no big deal,
just be uncomfortable and onantibiotics constantly, month,

(27:23):
every month, they're on pillsand they're complaining with a
hot compress yeah, how funny isthat?
so you're basically gonna haveyour eye period monthly, uh, and
you're gonna be like, no, thisis masculine, it's just what.
What have we on what level ofhuman have we unlocked here,
that people are shaving theireyelashes to appear more?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
masculine.
I hope it's like literallynegative point zero, zero, zero,
zero, zero.
Two, five of the populationLike I hope it's not common.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I also hope that as well.
It's a trend on TikTok.
So I just think where issociety heading now that we've
deemed natural eyelashes I know,in 2008, 2006 to 2010, let's
say broad, it was a thing towear Eyeliner as a man.
Very scene, culture, emo scene,et cetera.

(28:09):
That was allowed.
Okay, that was allowed skinnyjeans and eyeliner, but now just
men existing too feminine.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Also I know that some men have great eyelashes, but
also some men don't Either.
They're so blonde and straightand little that, so like nobody
saw your eyelashes anyway, dude.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Also one thing that men don't either they're so
blonde and straight and littlethat, so like nobody saw your
eyelashes anyway, dude.
Also one thing that men don'tknow this because we don't tell
them everything but one thingthat women are so jealous of
when you know, when you see alittle boy with dark hair and
their eyelashes are fuckingglorious yeah, they're curled up
.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It actually makes you more fuckable because we're
like maybe our daughter willhave exactly I'm so jealous,
like our brother, michael hasthe best eyelashes.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Best eyelashes also like eyebrow envy, because he
could shake them into any.
He's like the thickest fuckingeyebrows on the planet and
eyebrow, eyebrows, eyebrowseyelashes, everything.
I remember we were in disney andhe was like eight years old and
a spanish family spanishspeaking family was right behind
us in line for test track and,um, they were like they were
speaking spanish, but Iunderstood what they're saying.

(29:02):
They basically said that hiseyelashes were so gorgeous and
they were jealous and they keptpointing at him and he was like
such a beautiful little boy hewas.
He was like this is notsomething that makes you
unfuckable.
No, no, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
People are like jealous, yeah, like when you see
a grown man with gorgeouseyelashes, you're like fuck you,
I hate you, I'm jealous also, Ifeel like we're in like a
century I'll say maybe century,right, because it's a hundred
years for sure where drew tatequality men are trying to look?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
so boys boys.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
So, true, trying to look so masculine, but this is
like the first ever because,like previous centuries, men
wore wigs.
And yes, like they wanted to befeminine.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's called dandyism and actually oscar wilde was a
dandy and it was basically menwho dressed very flamboyantly by
today's standards we would sayflamboyant when in reality it
was just like it was kind of howwhat's his name?
Billy porter showed up to themet gal in 2019 in like a dress
and everyone was like he's sogay and it's like whoa wait.
Can we just say that women'sclothing is gorgeous?

(30:01):
It is colorful.
Fun changes seasonally.
Men's fashion same same samelong shorts, short shorts, but
same same same used to dressreally exactly a wig powdered
face.
Yes, heels, literally heelsdandyism died out and michael,
our brother, he's a historymajor.
He actually told me the reasonand I can't remember now.
I think it was no, I think itwas.

(30:24):
There was a, maybe one of theenglish princes or something.
Yeah, it's something.
Uh, shit, I'm gonna misquotethis, but it's fine, you're
gonna get the gist people thehornitos.
Um, basically there was like I'mpretty sure some english
royalty was like very short orsomething and like or or too

(30:46):
tall his height was a thingbecause dandy's used to wear
heels.
So he was like no, like we'rejust gonna wear black suits.
And yeah, yeah, this is true.
And so then that became the thenorm for men to, because
obviously you want to dress likethe royalty because they're the
trendsetters at that time.
So over a century ago, off withhis head, one prince basically

(31:08):
decided like oh, we're all justgonna like dress pretty plain
and like be in accordance withreligion and more piety and etc.
And that is set the course inmotion for men's fashion for the
next 150 years to be so dull.
So it's not like strange at all.
Like I actually like that men'sfashion is kind of coming back

(31:30):
a bit and it's fine and you cando pops of color.
My husband, um, I think it wasbefore we went to Mallorca one
summer he went shopping atAbercrombie and bought like a
ton of like gorgeous linencolorful with floral.
Oh my God, they were so great.
Bought a ton of like gorgeouslinen colorful with floral oh my
god, they were so great.
Bought a ton.
It wasn't.
Until we got home we read thelabel.
It said a and f likeabercrombie and fish.
Bitch um abercrombie and smellyfish ever.

(31:51):
That's how I don't get sued.
It said abercrombie and fitchpride collection.
We didn't even know because,like that, you know, men's
fashion is kind of coming backto be a bit more fun, and it was
like, oh, we didn't even knowhe bought the pride collection,
like it's nice.
Why is it that straight men canonly wear fucking black suits
for black tie and I'm at, praiseyou billy porter for being like

(32:12):
I think that's his name.
Fuck, I'm gonna, I'm wrongagain.
She said abracadabra and fish.
So probably not what's his nameI don't know anyway but I like
that met gala is today andeveryone's looking at him to see
what he's gonna wear.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Like I like that you can just wear whatever you want
again listen, the best fashionis gay men, because, let me tell
you, the things are more fitted, they're more colorful.
I'm sorry, but like I was sohappy when we got out of the
early 2000s with the, the baoji,oh sorry.
Wow, no, baggy, I was trying tosay baggy's back, I think I

(32:48):
said a word.
Is that gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
also baggy's back.
Fuck you bitch.
Oh, although wait, kate mossguys trying to learn.
Kate moss wore skinny jeans twomonths ago and I'm just telling
you her to hear first skinnyjeans are back it's not for two
kids and two c-sections.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I don't have the body for skinny.
I don't have the time.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Remember, like going this is the sound of me jumping,
jumping to put skinny jeans onalso, we're also cooking your
lunch.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
So that's not all her .
That's also the crisp pan forwhat is it called pen gang or
penang.
I love penang and it's timeanyway, the point is, I do think
men dress better when it is abit flamboyant.
I'm sorry, it's nice, it'snicer.
It's nice to see a man expressstyle baggy, ghetto, I don't
need it.
I don't need it.
You don't look well dressed,you look sloppy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Wait can I just say that her husband grills all year
round outside in a fuckingAmerican flag tank top and like
ripped shorts.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, no, that's because you, you were poor and
also he's just so patriotic.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And she's like I just love a bit of flair.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
But listen, don't lie .
On holidays, where I dress herwhole family, we all look put
together, we all match, we allhave a color scheme and he looks
fabulous.
Every other 300 and say 50 daysis none of my business, it's
none of my business.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
He does what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I would say men's fashion is coming back in
a big way.
It has been for a few years now, but skinny jeans are back.
Sorry, guys, it's true, I knowKate Moss did it to us.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
She did it.
I don't have the Italian thighsfor that.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
She did it, she did it.
I'm sticking up top and notdown there of spring.
I know it's already may.
Now it's may 5th, so you betterget on it.
Ladies, it's butter yellow.
It doesn't look good on my skintone, but it's fine.
I don't wait, marissa, it's myseason you look amazing.
She was always the yellow powerranger as a kid.
Yeah, butter yellow, I'm you'relate to it, but get on it well.

(34:36):
And skinny jeans, yeah, typicalmom fashion.
I don't know what's I know I'mtelling you, I'm giving you the
info right now you're yeah, uh,well, you mean you a?
I used to be a trendsetter as akid, that is true, I know.
That's ironic now.
It's ironic now.
We're going off topic.
It's ironic now because if yousaw me dressed, you'd be like

(34:56):
but marissa, is it not true thatI used to be like, yeah, I used
to be pretty?
Why don't you tell them theturban story?
Most people don't.
Okay.
So I, very stupidly, grandmadied.
It wasn't my grandma.
Who was it?
No, it was Uncle Jack's funeral.
No, it was Uncle Jack's no, no,because you were standing at
the front.
Yes, it was Uncle Jack, who waslike another grandpa to us.

(35:18):
We, we were going to hisfuneral.
It was 20.
Um, I can tell you right now,don't tell me 2011.
It was 2011,.
Maybe 12.
I think it was 2011.
Um, and at the time I wore aheadscarf, a long one, and my
mom said, okay, just when youget to the funeral, make sure
you take it off.
And I forgot, okay, no, I tried, and I had a bad hair day

(35:39):
because the turban was on allday.
So I had to put the scarf backon and I showed up to the
funeral we're in like thereceiving line greeting.
This is all our family.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And my mom came right up to me and was like I can't
believe you still have a fuckingscarf on your head that season.
Marissa, was it not true thatthat whole summer, literally,
head scarves were back, 2011,back.
It was all because uncle jackdied.
Thank you, because bridget gotto premiere another time.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I have another example straight out of teen
vogue teen bogan following me in2010.
I remember these days I don'tknow why I'm such a psycho with
this my husband can attestwhenever I like.
They're like name that movie,like.
I can tell you the date.
Anyway, it was 2010.
It was a dress down day.
Shout out to catholic school no, no, new uniform, pay five
bucks, whatever.
Our mom it was very athletic inhigh school, though so spazzy.

(36:25):
Now she had 12 uh letters 12letters.
Well, you know when you getlike your letterman's letter.
So she ran out of items to putthem on.
So she started doing likethrowback letterman's.
She has a jackson.
It's gorgeous white, like creamwhite, not white white and red
letterman sweater.
Because she's like I hadliterally so many varsity
letters I had to just like startputting them on different
things.
Um, so she had this gorgeousone jackson.

(36:49):
So I wore it with jeans, skinnyjeans, because it's 2010.
Um, to dress down day with,like my hair, wavy, curly, so
chic, so cute.
At first everyone was like well, everyone's like your outfit's
really cool.
But where did you get thatLetterman sweater like, is it
the 50s?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
and I was like I was a Jackson Memorial class of 81.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Um, literally that spring.
So this was in because I wore asweater.
So it had to be the winter.
That spring, teen Vogue, whichI subscribed to at the time
because I was only 15, had awhole front page.
Front page and then a wholearticle Okay, merce is dancing
more on the rocks.
A whole fresh bottle.
So 42 days of drunk.
I was going to just give us one.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
A whole freaking.
It was featured on the frontpage and then a whole spread
article about how the new trendfor this spring was vintage
letterman sweaters.
Who brought that back?
They're not gonna give youcredit.
They're gonna say no.
Taylor swift wow, taylor swift.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Taylor swathed, taylor swifty she got into the
trendy, uh, the preppy stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So some people still I know they're really into like
we're really getting dressed upin glittery.
Now is like her new trend, butlike maybe like five to eight
years ago, somewhere in that itwas where, like it was 2010.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
It was 2010.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
So like people were wearing like Letterman sweaters,
like white and then the red,and I'm like that's Jackson
Memorial.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, that is so, and I did this it in an article.
This was before Taylor Swiftstarted doing.
You're right, though the ultrapreppy look she did with the
oxfords and the yeah, and thiswas before that.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
As true Taylor Swift does, because she's smart and I
saw her documentary.
She always says, like in herdocumentary.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Women have to I forget, always have to rebrand
yourself if you don't want tobecome a nobody, which is why
she's always rebranding herself.
Smart business sense, obviously.
Um, like madonna take a notefrom that book had a british
accent for a decade just thought, hey, let's do that.
She did like kooky as fuck,right, but she's still
worshiping but still relevant,still relevant.
Unbelievable time goes by sogenerally up in the air, so
slowly I mean, yeah, women,that's so true, whereas you look

(38:59):
at like crosby, stills and nashand they're like rocking the
same neck beards for 52 years soshe was saying in her because
you know how she started out ascountry she was saying how, like
male counterparts in thatindustry, you could have like
the same.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
You can even have the same beat of songs and people
will just love you and you cango on for decades after decades
doing the same shit and maybereleasing a few new songs here
and there.
Yeah, she was like it's so hardfor a woman you have to keep
rebranding yourself before youare no longer relevant.
They'll find the next youngestgirl because females obviously
men view us differently.
If you're not, hot and young.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You're yeah, you could do the same shit for 50
years as a man.
And they're like he's aged,Like he knows, he's rugged.
He's aged, he's experienced, heknows the industry.
If a man does that, they'relike, oh, this old witch Like
the same shit.
Also, like every time she singsabout any boy, they're like
she's a whore.
I'm sorry, is Ed Sheer basedoff of love songs?

(39:49):
Right, okay, is he a whore?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
no, maybe, maybe, maybe back in the day, back in
the day, back in the day,because I was married with kids.
You know I'm not negative also.
Yeah wait, why do we hatewhores?
I'm a whore, you a whore, it'sthe oldest profession, it's the
oldest profession, go, it is.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
It is the only uh, you know porn and prostitution.
The only industry is sex workwhere men still outperform women
I mean, oh my god, I said thatwrong I said that backwards.
Women, I'm sorry, I'm so drunk,we're blaming you on the rocks.
Women, sorry.
Women outperform men.
That is the only consistentindustry is sex work.
Women get paid way more thanmen, as we should, we should, we

(40:28):
have more.
I'm sorry, but women's bodiescome on what do you find?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
a saggy ball sack or a nice set of tits.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Come on with women, you get double the fun.
There's a top and a bottom withmen there's just the bottom
correct?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
so I think we're just pretty creatures in my opinion
same, I'm not even gay are yousure you're blushing anyway?
Um, I do feel like the title ofthis podcast should be like
whores, whores, whores morewhores?
No, shouldn't we?
What do you think we shouldname this podcast everybody?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
well, I think about that all the time because you
know, whenever you're like Iokay, I love living with women,
right?
Isn't that the best time?
When you like your roommates,you get ready together, you have
hungover days the next okay.
Girlhood and I always was like,if I could be gay, I fucking
would.
If it was a choice, I wouldchoose it.
Come on, I want to live withwomen and have fun.
I just can't.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
We also were blessed with marrying men that are not
schlubs um they.
So I feel like we don't feel sostrongly anymore because we, we
married people that they, theydo their fair share of parenting
.
They don't.
Just.
What is it called babysitting?
Yeah, yeah now if I married aman that babysat in quotes, air
quotes I would force myself, Iwould be.
I'd be a lesbian, because ifyou're not going to do half of

(41:34):
the work or even more when Idon't feel good, I don't want
you.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I'm just saying, though, that, like I prefer,
like my best friend Marwa, and Ishout out to Marwa she has no
Wi-Fi, she's in Libya right now,but, like we would always,

(41:59):
would live so happily.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
however, that in mind , the female form is
significantly more beautifulthan the male, I agree well, I
mean, oh my god greek sculpture,sculptures, sculptures venus
we're slurring our words becausehornitos is kicking guys.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Honestly, I'm the rocks is the best bang for your
buck.
This recession.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
We're just like I'm not driving home.
I have a guest bed, by the way.
Oh fuck, no Safety first, Stayas long as you need Seriously
Endless water, endless carbs, abed if you choose not to, oh
yeah, she's got a house Also.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Evelyn loves sleeping in Jack's room, so if you need
the baby's room for the crib, sohow crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
like, I'm just, we're straight and we're just, the
female form is much better.
That's why women are paid more.
Yeah, good thing finally insome profession whores, whores,
whores, whores, whores yeah,listen, we should empower, we
should empower ourselves.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Don't let them take that word from us wait, that
actually I know, that actuallybothers me, that like we're so
offended, like because it is oneof those words where someone
calls you that, almost like ifyou deny a guy, and they're like
you bitch, you whore, andyou're like oh fuck, but they
love to hurt, why am I?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
But I feel like some men are, not that they're smart,
but they are smart in a sensewhere they know to hurt you.
So they don't just call you awhore, they say fat whore
because they know self-esteemthey're like you, I have a great
anecdote about that Good asshe's eating.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It reminded me only because I was recently at a
wedding where this girl.
I went to Fordham with Julia.
She's so funny.
Have I met her?
You maybe she was a cheerleader.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
She's older than you, was she at?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
your wedding?
No, continue.
She's two years older than me.
Okay, she's fucking hilarious.
She's a mom now.
Anyway, she has this great story.
I think she was a senior at thetime, so I must've been a
sophomore at Fordham and we'reout at a bar and I don't know
she, she's like just a fuckingballer and she, I don't know if
she cut a line or I don't knowexactly what happened.
She punched somebody.
I can't remember the details ofthe story, but she got mad at

(43:46):
one of these like baseballplayers at Fordham and, uh, he
called her fat.
Like, yeah, this guy called herfat and she, she just turned
around and said fat, which, bythe way, I would say julia, she,
the thing is, she's fit as fucklike, her body looks amazing,
but she's not like petite, she'sjust naturally not petite, but

(44:07):
like ripped, always had amazingmuscles like quads for days,
bicep, like rip, definitely notfat, but just like isn't
naturally petite frame, that'sright.
And she was like, she turnedaround, calm and cool as
anything.
It was like fat.
You call me fat, I'm not fat.
I'll show you my nudes.
And we quoted that for years.
Like he was stunned, stunnedinto silence, just like my son

(44:30):
earlier.
You know what he's.
He literally was like.
This kid did not have an answer.
He plays for the Red Sox now.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
He did not have an answer.
Give me a name, I'll fight him.
He's a.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Red Sox pitcher Did not have an answer.
He's easy to find, just FordhamRed Sox pitcher.
Actually wait, no, he's tradedto the Yankees.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, it'sirrelevant called her fat and
she just calm, as anything goes.
I'll show you my fucking nudes.
I'm not fat and I was like, wowthe ball, like that's some
fucking female empowerment.
I'm proud of her I know you,julie julia, julia, good for you

(45:01):
, julia.
We told that story for years.
We were always like I'll showyou my fucking nudes but also
like okay, you're still notgetting this.
I know right, I can't rememberwhy they argued it was such a
stupid thing at a college barway back in 2014 or something,
who knows?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
2013, men are not all men.
Obviously we know great men inour life, not just the people we
married.
But I feel like he has greatcousins, you have great
brother-in-laws and cousins, etc.
Whatever like we are, well,thank god we were raised by a
smart woman, but, um, but somemen are just fucking disgusting
and gross that actually is aperfect segue.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Remember how everyone says like man or gorilla yeah
and did you hear about this?
100 men want to fight a gorillaand to see who wins.
Wait, elon musk is one of them.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
You don't realize a gorilla will kill you, right?
They're huge and their strengthis unmatchable I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
You don't even have to be 100 men versus a gorilla.
Once a gorilla touches one ofyou, you're all gonna see that
and back away in fear, correct?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm sorry, but if anyone I knew said I want to
fight a gorilla, I'd say I'mgonna plan your funeral.
What casket would you like?
What cemetery?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
it's fully dead.
You, elon musk, is one of the100.
He signed up.
I'm not joking, I'm, he reallydid this.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Listen, I know you're a father, so I don't will wish
ill no, I know you have like 13boys to me, but that's a dumb
decision.
Please rethink um, because theyare, they're pretty strong, yeah
.
So anyway, I know we've beenoff topic, but hornitos, right.
So let us talk about our pollsthat we've been promising.

(46:33):
The first poll was what is amale equivalent of karen, and we
had a lot of people write in um, and what we did, what did
stand out to us is the twoladies I hope it's okay to shout
you out is our aunt, erin, erinhenneke, my dad's sister, and
annabelle, who was marrying mybrother, uh, my sister-in-law to
be in August.
They both said Brad and Chad,and we thought it was funny and

(46:57):
it stood out to us because wealso had said that in our last
session.
Like, wouldn't those be goodnames, right?
So I mean, you guys were righton the money.
We agree, it's definitely Brador Chad.
We can make theminterchangeable.
That's fine.
Whatever you know leaves yourlips at the time of anger.
We're okay with that, uh.
So congrats to you two.
I wish I'd say you have prizes,but you could just come have a

(47:17):
drink, have a hornitos, drinkwith us.
Hornitos, yes, hornitos.
Well, we'll owe you an on therocks drink, yes.
Also, we all see both of you atyour wedding, annabelle.
So let's do it then.
Woo, all right.
Anyway, we're clearly buzzedwhile we talk Um.
The next one was do peopleprefer to eat out, uh, alone or

(47:38):
with others?
A hundred percent, said others,thank God, thank God.
I was a little concerned forthe generation coming up, but
I'm proud that you proved mewrong.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I don't.
If out of necessity, I'll eatout by myself, like I'm not shy
at all, so like if I'm like outtraveling, I'm not gonna be like
, oh, I can't eat out becauseI'm alone, but do I prefer to be
with people?
Obviously the whole point ofgoing out is you get to dress up
, you need to put a makeup on,you try a new place, you you
order two different mains sothat you could share and try to.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
you know what I mean.
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, I'mhappy.
I'm happy, probably a littlebiased, though, because I do
feel like our followers probablyare not Gen Alpha, gen Z as
much as they're older, so maybepredicted that it would be that.
Hi, theo, I'm so glad youjoined us in the ending.
By the way, he is rocking afabulous shirt.
It says groovy.
It's got a disco ball, a littlecute mushroom and a guitar.

(48:26):
Tara Henneke, I knew it.
You, aunt Tara, shout out toTara Heneke, married to Uncle
Brian.
Love you guys.
Tara Roberts Heneke, taraRoberts, heneke.
There we go.
Good thing we didn't mess thatup like we messed up everything
else, but otherwise we're goingto end today.
We're so glad that you'relistening.

(48:46):
Also, bridget, right, who wasit that gave us a shout out
while running that you just sawrecently?
Tracy Renkel.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Thank you that gave us a shout out while running
that you just saw recently.
Tracy rankle.
Thank you, tracy rankle.
Tracy said on her walks sheloves listening to our podcast.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
This is a bit of a boozy one, which is what we
always intended I hope after,tracy, I hope after your run,
you have a boozy time walk.
She said you've walked a walk.
Thank you for walking andlistening to us.
We appreciate you.
Thank you, tracy, um, and wewill talk to you next time, but
until then, please like,subscribe, listen, and maybe we
need to host like an event whereit's like a boozy event with,

(49:18):
like, obviously, food and wejust like let our listeners.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Oh my god, wait.
That would be so fun, but thisis basically our friends and
family though, but that's thepoint.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Business right off, business right off.
Anyway, we'll get what we'dhave to do before berget leaves.
If not, we'll catch you inAugust.
All I can think of is likenever mind anyway.
Uh, we'll talk after thepodcast.
As always, though, we love youguys.
Thank you for listening andthank you for always
recommending us.
Um, take care bye.