July 18, 2025 • 48 mins
Science meets sociology in this thought-provoking episode where we tackle revolutionary genetic technology alongside persistent gender double standards in entertainment.
First, we dive into CRISPR gene editing – a medical breakthrough recently used in Japan to eliminate an extra chromosome in a Down syndrome embryo. We explore the incredible potential of this technology to address genetic conditions while wrestling with the ethical boundaries. Could targeting disease genes evolve into selecting for eye color, height, or intelligence? The specter of "designer babies" raises profound questions about equity, accessibility, and the limits of human intervention in genetics. Where do we draw the line when it comes to editing our future children?
The conversation then shifts to an equally contentious topic: why can't female characters be unlikable? Sarah Jessica Parker recently commented that female antiheroes can't exist or be liked in the same way as male antiheroes. We dissect the cultural double standard where complex, morally ambiguous men like Tony Soprano are beloved, while women who display realistic human reactions (like Skylar White from Breaking Bad) are vilified. These expectations trace back centuries, with historical and religious roots that enforced women's roles as moral centers of the household.
Throughout our discussion, we celebrate the recent wave of female-created media breaking these molds – from Fleabag to Killing Eve to unfiltered comedy specials that present women as gloriously flawed humans rather than perfect paragons. We share our honest experiences of motherhood that echo these same tensions between unrealistic expectations and messy reality.
Between the serious topics, we lighten the mood with tales of our Fourth of July celebrations (yes, even in England!) and share upcoming plans to record together when Bridget visits the States in August.
Have thoughts on CRISPR technology or female antiheroes? We'd love to hear them! Share your perspective with us on social media or leave a review.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello, welcome to Psychotic PY Podcast.
It is season three, episodeeight.
We think Totally unsure, to behonest.
It's the summer, okay, we'reall a bit lackadaisical, we're
having fun, we're having drinkypoos.
I've already had a beer today.
Well, it's late here, it's 7,18 pm, so so, um, so yeah,
(00:30):
everyone, welcome to psychoticPY pod.
And we are chatting aboutfemale antiheroes Can they exist
?
And, if they exist, can they beliked?
And we are talking about moresciencey things like CRISPR
technology and gene editing.
So let's kick it off geneediting.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So let's kick it off.
Hello, welcome back everybody.
Yeah, we went on a bit of ahiatus, sorry.
I've been doing a bunch ofother things for a new path
therapy and off-duty mom retreat, so I've just been a bit busy.
And then obviously justsummertime and children and
summer camps and all that funstuff.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Exactly yes, off duty .
Here we go again.
Shameless plug like off duty.
A mom's retreat.
Merce is running it.
It's her first big retreat.
It's her first retreat.
It's gonna be absolutely epic.
There's only five spots leftand yeah, so everyone follow the
instagram and join.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes please also coming soon to the UK off duty a
mom's retreat led by yourstruly, bridget.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Melton, don't hold me to it yet.
We're still trying to get itoff the ground.
Um, but yeah, there is a chance, guys, that we are going global
with off duty.
I think it's coming to the UK,so stay tuned, watch this space,
as they say, but when it's upand running, you will know.
Don't worry, you'll be blasted.
So, yeah, off duty might begoing across the pond, so that's
(01:55):
super exciting Yay, all right,kick off our topic bridge pick
one of the two.
Okay, let's start with the heavystuff so that people stay a bit
focused, and then we we'll getinto the cray-cray.
Okay, so this is not super new,but it is newer as of 2025 that
it's actually happening.
But this has been in the worksfor a while, so we're going to
talk about it and you'reprobably like yeah, yeah, I've
heard of that, but usually it'sunethical, so it hasn't been
(02:17):
done.
So CRISPR technology isbasically some gene editing and
in Japan, in February 2025, theysuccessfully had an embryo that
they use CRISPR technology onand they targeted the unwanted
chromosome on an embryo that hadtrisomy 21.
Trisomy 21 means a thirdaccidental copy of gene 21, the
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21st chromosome sorry, and thatleads to Down syndrome.
So approximately one in 700live births in the US will have
trisomy 21.
So it's not I wouldn't say it'scommon, but it's definitely not
uncommon.
There are some Nordic countrieswho have basically all but
(03:04):
eliminated it, not because ofcrisper technology, but whenever
they offer um women um genetesting when they're pregnant
and they recommend.
They don't recommend, but theydo say, like you can terminate
this pregnancy if you havetrisomy 29 or any of the
trisomies, really, because umdown syndrome is very livable
and that's fine.
Um, although there are verynegative health consequences for
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your heart, lungs, et cetera,arthritis.
So just because you're like,hey, I have a cousin with down
syndrome.
He's absolutely fine.
It is very much a spectrum andthat's why it's a syndrome.
So syndromes mean that you canhave some all or none of these
certain things, but you willhave obviously three copies of
chromosome 21.
But you will have obviouslythree copies of chromosome 21.
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So some are really plagued byit and it really negatively
affects their heart health andthey don't live very pleasant
lives.
But some people are absolutelyfine and are a great time.
So in Nordic countries theyhave been saying you know, if
you want to terminate, do it.
And they did get a very highacceptance rate of that
procedure and that's why they'vebasically eliminated trisomy 21
(04:08):
decades ago.
Wow, yeah.
Very interesting.
So CRISPR technology is, ifyou're, you know, doing IVF
basically if you have the embryooutside of the womb, then you
can use this targeted genetherapy treatment.
It is really a touchy topic,though, because some people
think it's unethical, becausethey say it's, you shouldn't do
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this.
Obviously, this is a massivefallacy, but they use slippery
slope mindset where they say,well, if you can do that, then
you can, you know, choose a babywith blue eyes.
You know where do we draw theline, kind of thing, although
that is an argumentative fallacy.
You can't just say, because wedo this, then automatically
we're going to do that.
Obviously, it's very different.
(04:49):
Choosing your child's eye coloris very different than not
wanting to have a child who'splagued with illness.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But also I would say, like there, if they were, you
know, so concerned with yougoing in and choosing eye color,
like why does eye color doesn'thurt anybody, you know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
yes, but then you're getting in the whole designer
babies thing and you mightchoose height athleticism, and
then we would actually have likea massive wealth gap, um,
wealthy people choosingintelligent, tall athletic um
babies and obviously people whocan't afford that just having
you know us, they're normal kids, um, and then you would
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actually have like a massive.
I think you'd have like a classwar probably um.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
okay, yeah, I see that um, but yeah, I I mean I
don't know if you and ted havediscussed, like when you get
tested and it comes up with Downsyndrome, what you would do,
but John and I absolutely haveum and I think for me it came
down to.
I have worked my internships,um as a therapist in um
(05:55):
facilities where, like you know,they're pretty much like
government run, they're reallyrun down and they go there for
like adult daycare pretty much,and they have different groups
all day and they get transportedthere, transported back, and I
just I just saw how they livedand what happens after, like
their parents die but they stillneed like full-time care and I
just couldn't do, I didn't wantto leave this earth knowing that
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my child wasn't cared for by meor could take care of
themselves.
So that's why John and I madethe decision that you know, if
Evelyn and Jack had been, youknow, positive for Down syndrome
, we would have definitely donethe abortion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, ted, and I have talked about it and I would say
I'm actually I surprised myself.
I was kind of more of the softywhere I completely agree with
you, where I was like it woulddestroy me knowing that like I
can't guarantee that my childwill have the best life that I
would provide for them.
Because when you are caring fora sick child again, even if
they're very, even if they havea driver's license and a job,
they still have Down syndrome,they still have certain needs
(06:54):
and I would be just really likeI would be terrified knowing
like I'm probably going to diebefore my child and I don't know
in what state they will be left.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right.
Also, I feel like they arevulnerable to the world because
at least anyone that I, eitherin internship or in real life,
has crossed with, they have thissort of like innocence to them,
like they're very sweet, andthat unfortunately makes them a
target, like people will takeadvantage of that and that
really just does not sit wellwith me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Um yeah, it's.
It's such a tough topic, whichis why I guess CRISPR is amazing
, because it actually removesthat um decision.
They're saying we could stillkeep the embryo.
We're just doing gene therapy,which is amazing.
I think if we use CRISPR forgood and I'm saying good, I know
(07:50):
that's a subjective term but ifwe use it for that and for
curing diseases only, that'samazing.
I truly do not believe weshould do.
Quote unquote designer babies.
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I truly honestly I hope that that is the case.
People use this for good, butyou know, my pessimistic self
knows that there's people outthere who always abuse the good
that we create.
So I'm hoping you know thosepeople don't start popping up.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, it's, it is.
It was for a very long time.
Even research with this stuffwas illegal outside of china, so
most research comes from chinawith this, because they were
like, yeah, we don't care, likethe, the research code of ethics
is a bit lower there, they're abit more experimental and they
let you play with more, whereas,um, in the us and canada they
(08:39):
were like it.
No.
However, as we know, thingschange over time, so I would not
be surprised if now japan'sdone it, china's been doing it.
If other countries, westerncountries, are like well,
they're doing it, I guess we can, and that's who I don't trust.
Is it like in the hands ofmainstream?
Because people will push anagenda and be like well, I want
(08:59):
to make sure that my kid is thesmartest and they get my
husband's height and it's such,you know, and that's, it's such
an unfair leg up advantage yeah,especially because money talks
and I feel like, even if you'renot seeing what happens behind
the scenes, someone is having apayday, someone is saying yes to
something that's unethicalbecause they're getting a big
payout yeah, exactly yeah, um,and that does worry me, but it
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is very interestingscientifically to know that we
are so far advanced that we can.
I mean, guys, these aremicroscopic chromosomes on a
microscopic embryo that we aretargeting and repairing.
That is amazing.
And also, the treated cellsshowed better survival rates in
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certain tests, indicating thatthe excess genetic burden was
successfully relieved.
It's just amazing, that's super.
Oh, that's awesome, that'sgreat.
So, yeah, just kind of a coolthing to talk about and I hope
yeah, like I said, I hope we useit for good.
I know good is like a loadedterm, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, we know Wink, wink.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But let us know what you guys think, because I think
it's such a touchy topic andpeople really feel especially if
you have family members withcertain diseases, I think,
because it's very hard to likedisconnect from that and you're
like I can't imagine like mycousin or my sister or whatever,
not being here Totally.
And, once again, I think thatshould always be your choice,
right, right, I'm definitely notof the opinion that we should
(10:35):
automatically terminate.
I think it should definitely beyour choice because it is your
care burden and it's your babyto love.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
It should be the parents choice.
100 percent, that's.
It's amazing, though, forsomeone who may not have, like
they know, financially theycannot take care of someone with
down syndrome for the rest oftheir life, but they like, maybe
what if they've been strugglingfor years and this is the only
baby they could have conceived?
They don't want to give it up,and now this is an an option.
(11:04):
That's a nice option.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Especially if you are doing IVF, you might feel like,
oh great, like we just got onlyone or two embryos and we can't
even use that one.
And now you're like actually wemight be able to, which is, I
mean, what a relief financiallyto not have to go through an
entire round of IVF again.
Absolutely.
So let us know what you guysthink.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yes, please, next topic.
Oh wait, let's do a littlepause in between topic.
We just are so excited that youguys, I'm sure, had a great 4th
of July.
So tell us, kind of, bridget,you go'd you do you, little
traitor, she's a treason party,a loyalist no, I had.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We had people over.
We did a fourth of July barbecue.
It was a Friday, you know, youguys know, um, so we had a
gorgeous fourth of July a littlebarbecue.
It was so funny, the weatherwas amazing, and then Ted went
out to grill so we had peopleover.
It's fine, it's daytime, likewe went shopping.
We hung out with theo by thetime.
It was actually becauseobviously people had work here
(12:12):
so people couldn't come overuntil after work, so we weren't
eating dinner till like sevenmaybe.
Um, ted went out to grill and it, just out of nowhere, dark
clouds rolled in and it startedraining on him and he, he was
out there grilling.
He was so annoyed, it was likecold wind and we were like what
the hell?
It was like sunny and 75 allday, like truly came out of
nowhere.
And then he came in burgers anddogs, put them on the kitchen
(12:34):
counter.
I was like okay, that's it.
Like if you want anything else,it's going in the oven.
Like sorry, and yeah, um, yeah,but we had a great barbecue.
We had to eat inside, whichkind of sucked, but that's fine.
Um, we had a huge case of bud.
(12:55):
So everyone was like you got todrink American beer.
I made sure we listened tocountry music the whole night.
Um, I know Ted tried to controlthe music at the end and I was
like um excuse me, nope, it waslike god, save the my day um.
So yeah, it was actually likejust a typical like fourth of
july barbecue.
I just kept saying like theonly difference is usually you
start this at like one like andyou're there all day.
(13:16):
I was like I don't know how Iused to do it.
It was my best friend, shannonshout out, shannon Shimrock used
to host the annual fourth of jJuly barbecue and you would
literally be there all day likedrinking games in and out of the
pool and then like we wouldsleep over at her house, like
I'd be like where did thatstamina come?
Like I could not do that now.
And also the thing about like4th of July is like if you go to
(13:39):
someone's house, you're eatinglike lunch and dinner there,
like you're there all day.
So I was like guys, you got toget here quicker, come on, I
know you've worked, but likefucking, get here these people
are like.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Sure we'll celebrate your holiday where you left our
country and, like, threw ourteam to the harbor.
Well, the weather did, thecountry made sure it knew.
You knew that it was mad, Icouldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We were saying like, what a gorgeous day it is, and
then I was like, oh my god, whatthe fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
so funny.
Just want to let you know thatthat storm did not roll in in
america, I know we, we had agreat time.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, what did you guys do?
Oh, I know what you did.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Tell everyone what you did uh, we went to great
wolf lodge because my son isborn on the fourth of july, so
we had this pre-planned birthdayum weekend.
He was so excited.
But my god, like so.
I'm a very strict parent whenit comes to schedules and
bedtime, so we decided to justbe like crazy.
I have learned a lesson I willnever be crazy again, anyway
(14:35):
okay, keep going, keep going,are you?
gonna say though, okay, so Ijust want to give you this
little tidbit.
So this is the first time mykids have actually stayed up for
the fireworks together, becausethey're either too young or my
oldest has always been afraid ofthe noise and like everything.
So we let them stay up late andI just want to give you a how
late, okay.
So you're like 9, 30, 10 oh,wow, that's late for them.
(14:59):
Wow, they would actually beexhausted, yeah um, yeah, evelyn
fell asleep a few times waitingfor the fireworks anyway.
But when they came on, yourcrazy psycho niece, she's in,
he's in the field.
Right, she's in the field,she's going like this.
They start going off.
She kicks her leg up every timeI'll go off and goes boom, boom
.
I turn over to look at jackie,your sweet little nephew.
He goes.
Mom, there's a lot of smokeover there.
(15:20):
Is that fire truck moving?
Is that supposed to be overthere like that?
And they're just, they're soopposite.
I was cracking up.
I was like john, look at yourkids, they're further from she
like wants to push the button.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She wants him to go off.
She did.
She's so funny.
I was cracking up, okay, so thefireworks and the balloon drop
in my head.
I was like this is a place forkids.
So I kind of giggled to myselfand I was like LOL, it's
probably like 6 pm there andthey're like yay, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, the balloon drop was 9.45.
Oh my God, I'm so impressedwith your kids.
Please don't be.
I paid for it the next day withtantrums.
I was like this is why we're ona schedule, Because my kids I
swear you know them like theycan be annoying sometimes, like
normal kids are, but likethey're they don't have
full-blown.
When I tell you, evelyn isstill leveling out because since
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we kept her up, even until now,she's had like a minimum of
four kids.
Oh my god.
But she had a plate of bacon.
She should have been happy.
Uh, as she's told my husband,you were the king.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I know, I told ted that and I was like how funny is
that?
Because to her obviously itjust means like you're not the
king of me, you're the king ofnothing.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But to an adult that is like a cutting insult john
had to turn his head because hehe wanted to stay mad at her,
but he was like that was sofunny, good insult jesus.
Right, I'm Jesus.
I couldn't even think of that.
I'm an adult.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
God she's intense Savage.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yes, yes, she is.
And she's on this weird kickwhere she wants to say Viking,
but she goes around and itsounds like fucking.
So we're in public and she'slike fucking, fucking.
And I'm like please stop,please, stop, please, oh okay.
I always have to correct her.
I'm like you mean like, so themoms can hear me.
I'm like you mean Viking,viking.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh, my God, that's funny.
Well, they looked adorable.
I was so jealous.
I will say guys, great WolfLodge, I don't know if you've
been in my head.
I was like, oh, a bunch of kidspools.
It's going to smell like piss.
It looks so nice bunch of kidspools.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's gonna smell like piss.
It looks so nice.
They have adult areas too wherekids can't go, so you don't
have to worry about like kidgerms and like peeing and so
like.
For, like, a certain area, thepool and hot tub were adults
only for people who go therewithout kids or maybe like have
a grandma with their kids, youknow my god nice yeah, yeah, I
thought it was.
It really was so interactive forthe kids.
It was so nice, although Imissed.
What they need to do is do whatcruises do, where you have like
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a drop off kid room, kids club.
Now, I know there's differentlocations and they're all set up
differently, so maybe one ofthe other locations has
something similar, but I reallywish the Poconos did, because I
I could have used some me andJohn time Not going to lie.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I mean I'm not there yet, cause kids clubs
usually start at like a toddlerage, so, like any place I've
looked up cause Ted and I aretrying to go away, like it's,
it's like you know, from age twoand I'm like I can't even, like
I would love that, but I can'tvisualize it yet.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Go on a cruise Cruise starts at six months up and
they and they actually give youa phone so you can call if
you're like mommy nervous.
They give you check-ins andthey do nap time for you, they
change diaper, they feed bottlesShit guys.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She's going on a cruise, ted's booking a cruise.
But yeah, I hope everyone hadan amazing 4th of July.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yes, we hope you did, and we hope you're not like
this treasonous bitch namedBridget.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I know, and you know what's funny for me.
Okay, I'm apparently like theloyalist.
Guess what?
I'm going to another 4th ofJuly thing, a delayed 4th of
July.
Someone's hosting July 12th, soI'm doubling up, guys.
How many of you in America aredoubling it up?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Just to beat you, I'm going to have another one this
weekend, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I, I'm going to have another one this weekend,
Absolutely.
I'm going to an officialbelated 4th of July party on
July 12th and I'm this guy Idon't know why he's asked me
like four times Are you sureyou're coming?
Or I was like yeah, I'll bethere, and Ted was like maybe
you're the token American, andhe's really nervous.
And I'm like wait, wait, is henot?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
He's English.
He's English, but I think he'sthrowing it because he has his
uncle, who lives in the States,who might be visiting.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh, so like instead of having a pig roast, they're
having a Bridget roast.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh my God, that would suck, I think listeners.
I think he might be sneakyproposing or something and
that's why he no, but I want tomake.
I think that's why he's like,oh, I just want to make sure
you're coming.
Like I think that's why he'slike, oh, I just want to make
sure you're coming.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I think in his head he wants RSVPs basically and I'm
like I told you I'm coming,we'll see it's more plausible
that you're like it's going tobe a big American roast.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That would really be funny, but also suck for me.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I hope Ted goes in hard too.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I hope he's like yeah , give it to her.
Guys, I'm a cancerian queen,I'm very sensitive.
I will go home and cry shewon't show it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I was going to say she'll cry alone in the shower.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be like that's so funny, and then
I'll go home and be like dad.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Is this true?
I love that about you.
I'll tell you guys.
I'll tell you Actually, can Tedfilm it?
If this happens, I want videoevidence for our podcast, the
roast of bridget.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh, that was you know what I'm bringing?
An american flag sheet cake.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't deserve this you gotta show real gaudy, like
that american cowgirl hat.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah like cut off in a red bikini top like a course,
oh myini like this is whateverybody wears in the summer.
Guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
come on, get on it.
Oh, you know what's worse thana Coors bathing?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
suit a natty ice.
I think they both exist.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I don't know yeah, get that bikini.
Throw on a fake, you know youcould rub it off later a tramp
stamp that says america aboveyour bikini.
Just really go for it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't own any of these things.
I'm a terrible american, so Ineed I need to prime day all
these if, if any of ourlisteners do, though, we're
totally, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Still, it's totally cool.
We're not making fun of we'retotally, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Still, it's totally cool.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
We're not making fun of you, we just want, yeah,
someone's listening to this withtheir natty ice bikini on
America tramp stamp Like whatthe fuck?
I don't hate it.
I don't hate it either.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right, let's talk about our next topic, okay, so
recently, sarah Jessica Parkersaid in an interview um,
basically, I'm just paraphrasingthat women leads cannot be
antiheroes.
They have to be very likable.
So, kind of just looking back,um, you know, back in like 2018,
(22:04):
we saw the rise of the femaleanti-heroine with things like
killing Eve.
She was a big one.
Um, she's definitely ananti-hero, she's tough to love,
um, but they're basically, youknow, can women be anti-heroines
and actually be liked Umheroines and actually be liked?
(22:30):
Um, so when a girl's unlikable,a girl is a problem, uh.
Quote by roxane gay and her2014 essay um, bad feminist.
So, yes, I would say for a longtime, to be a successful
character, archetype inmainstream media, women had to
be obviously beautiful,sometimes funny, but not that
(22:52):
essential, and you had to belikable.
My best example always isSkylar in Breaking Bad, the wife
.
I don't know if you've seenBreaking Bad.
Okay, the wife is just notlikable.
And she's not likable becauseshe's kind of like a real person
, where she's like where thefuck are you Like?
(23:12):
Like her husband is making methin the desert and she's like um
, hey, like are you coming home?
Like she basically is just likeis kind of a normal human that
you would not see before, thatyou wouldn't see that on screens
because they always made wivesvery pleasant, very likable, and
she wasn't.
She was just like where thefuck are you?
Why do you have a second cellphone?
(23:33):
Why are you late for dinner?
All of a sudden you know, likeall these suspicions, that a
normal person in life would belike I'm sorry, but what the
fuck, like the jig is up.
Tell me where you've been.
She had a normal reaction andshe's one of the I think she's
been voted like the most hatedcharacter on tv, yeah, and when
you watch it she does great onyou.
She's very unlikable.
(23:54):
But at the same time she's notunlikable because she's not a
good person.
She's just again like kind ofhow a normal wife would probably
react.
And I think that rubbed guyswrong because for years it was
like the guy could be whateverthe worst fuck up, cheater, this
, that and the other, and hewould always come home to like a
(24:15):
pretty pleasant wife whowouldn't ruffle feathers like
that was the basic.
Like sitcom mom and then youknow, hbo mom and it really was
like skylar who was, you'll see.
I mean, you'll watch merce.
Honestly, you should watch it.
She's just not fucking likable.
Um, and that kind of actuallyfeeds more into the male
(24:41):
anti-hero because you go, oh mygod, he has to put up with her
and you actually sympathize forhim more, which is interesting.
But as of late they say around2017, 2018 we saw a massive rise
like fleabag.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You've seen fleabag the comedy no, but is it because
I think around that time that'swhen maleficent came out and
she's a great anti-hero, butbecause they give a backstory
and you realize she's actuallythe good person the whole time?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
yeah, so not in that sense.
I would say like in Fleabag,like it's a hilarious comedy,
phoebe Waller-Bridge massive.
Like literally one of the bestcommercially successful female
written sitcoms.
Like it's on prime.
It's only two seasons, sixepisodes total.
It's or six episodes each.
It's such an easy watch.
Um, she is, like you know,classic like train wreck.
(25:32):
Like she's classic like drinksa bit too much, makes mistakes,
falls in love with a hot priest,like you know.
Um, it's just like that funny,like flawed woman and until her,
and maybe maleficent and trainwreck that movie.
Um, obviously killing eve.
She's literally an assassin.
(25:53):
Until that rise of these women,it it was not okay to be
disliked like you would end upas a skylar who is globally
hated.
I've actually never spoken tosomeone who likes skylar men or
women.
Yeah, wow, that's actually Iknow, but now, but breaking bad
(26:14):
came out.
I think the first season waslike 2009, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Oh, the senior in high school yeah and well,
depending on if it was fall,then I was the world was just a
different place and it was like,oh, fuck that bitch.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Like people oh, my god, if you like, go on like a
subreddit of oh people like arelike fuck that bitch, we hate
her so much, hope she dies.
Um, yeah, she's a character guy, I know, I know, but that's how
much like it was just soabnormal to be like she's so
unpleasant on screen but yeah,but now it is kind of okay.
(26:50):
But Sarah Jessica Parker saysit's not and that she doesn't
think female anti-heroes get thesame love and praise that male
anti-heroes do.
Totally, who's one of the mostbeloved characters of all time?
Tony Soprano.
He's a sociopath.
Yeah, he cheats on his wifereligiously, kills people in
(27:11):
cold blood.
Is very should be, by allintents and purposes, should be
very unlikable.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Is beloved, yeah, yeah he's not even good looking,
is that?
I mean?
I think it also kind of stemsinto gender roles.
You know, yeah, no, definitelylike people meant to be this
rugged, rough, tough, bad guyand girls are supposed to just
be there.
We're just the supportingcharacter.
We're supposed to be there tolove, support, love you, no
matter what kind of psychopathyou are.
(27:40):
That's just our roles.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
And that role of nurturing, actually as the woman
, goes back way further than youthink.
I'm not going to say tribaltimes, because that's just
simply not true.
You had to be just as tough asa guy, although, yeah, you had
to take care of a baby becauseyou had milk and there was no
formula.
Back then the only way the babycould live is on your titty.
But in the Puritan I want tosay 15th century, up through
(28:11):
modern time it was priests wouldsay that the woman was the what
is the word I'm going to lookfor spirituality of the house
that women were too fragile anddainty and they had to stay home
and raise the children becausethey brought spirituality.
So now, if your husband goesout and cheats on you or doesn't
(28:32):
go to church, isn't living upto the Puritan beliefs or
Protestant beliefs, christianbeliefs in general, he can
repent and that's okay.
But the woman is what sheteaches her children's
spirituality.
So she has to be the best.
She has to be pure.
She has to be a virgin when youmeet her.
He doesn't have to be.
So she has to be the best.
She has to be pure.
She has to be a virgin when youmeet her.
He doesn't have to be, but shehas to be.
(28:53):
She has to be chaste and holygod-fearing um goes to church
every sunday and then also amember of bible study.
So she's in church all the time.
Because they thought that it washer job to be home with the
children all the time and theycould only learn to be good
through her, which obviously isnot true.
(29:13):
Your children learn by watchingeveryone who has a role in
their life, so both parents, ifboth parents live in that
household, both parents areequally influencing them.
Even if dad is not present,they have this.
His lack of presence influencesjust as much as his presence,
(29:36):
um, but obviously, how couldthey know that at the time?
But that is what set up thetimeline that now we're stuck
with now, whereas women have tobe good because in it we're so
pro we can't even explain.
We're so far removed from this.
We don't even know why womenhave to be good.
It's subconscious belief, butit stems from, uh, religious
teaching yeah, I don't doubtthat, and it was able.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They were able to get away with it for so long
because when you really restricthow you know high a girl can go
in school and then you'll marrythem off between 12 and you
know whatever I mean.
They're so young, they'reuneducated.
You do that after generationafter generation.
What are they?
They don't know any different.
They had no social.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
There were no rights as well.
You were, um.
When you got married, youbecame your husband's property.
So he was legally allowed tobeat the living crap out of you
as long as um, this is true, aslong as the stick he hit you
with was, uh, fatter than hisfinger, um, so he, he, you were
his property.
So he had property rights overyou like he would his house,
(30:33):
meaning you could never own thehouse, you couldn't.
The money was never yours, um,basically, everything he touched
was his.
Everything you had inheritedbefore marriage is automatically
his now, not joint, it's hisonce you get married.
Get married, um, so it was justa very different time.
So it wasn't like, oh, you hadno way out.
(30:53):
You legally couldn't get out.
Your husband had to die.
You could, you had to be awidow.
Women used to pray that theirhusbands would die I, I don't
get that, I really don't becausethen if you were a widow, at
least it wasn't, divorce wasillegal, so it was like you
weren't living illegally, um,and you were free.
(31:15):
You would like be like thank God, my husband.
I mean, how sad is that, um,but yeah, so it's very
interesting that we have thiswhole subconscious belief that
women have to be good andbeautiful enough, at least when
men can be the.
I mean, the classic americansitcom is like a kevin james
type heavy, not attractive, butfunny, with the leah ramini
(31:40):
who's an absolute knockoutobviously I'm talking about king
of queens like and that was thethe, you know play by play of
every american sitcom fordecades before and decades after
.
And we, until modern day, wewere not like, wait a second,
how the fuck would kevin jamesland leah ramini?
Because men wrote the shows,yeah, pretty much like they
(32:04):
never were like, wait a second,this girl, who's way hotter than
him, way smarter, would neverfall for him.
They were just like well, he'sfunny, it's like so listen, they
were getting away with it.
Yeah, they were and I do lovelike fleabag is.
I can't believe you haven'twatched.
It was such a hit 2018.
Girl like that was like alleveryone talked about girl 2018.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Who knows what I was doing it was like one of the
even mom has seen it.
It's like one of the biggestcommercial successes, like she's
won every award for it and shewrote it herself it is so it's
based on her one woman show andthen they turned it into two
seasons on prime.
It is so funny you should watchit.
Um, definitely, yeah,definitely, it was everywhere.
(32:49):
Um, but it's, it is like I loveit because it finally ushered
in the new um era of like youcould have a female written show
, mostly female cast, and guesswhat?
It doesn't have to be thatclassic like oh, I'm an assassin
and I'm funny and I beer and ahot dog like she.
(33:12):
They literally have an episodewhere her sister gets a bad
haircut and they have like theworst day ever and it's like
yeah, no, like I'm sorry, likethat's what girls like.
They go, they rush into thesalon and they go hair is
everything and it's like youknow this is not written by a
man, because a man would be likethat's not true, I'm sorry.
If you get a fucking badhaircut, you best believe you
(33:34):
are going home and sobbing no,like we're not guys, we can't
just fucking buzz it and go.
Oh well, it'll grow back inlike it is one of the most like,
just like episode.
You just identify with it, youtotally get it and you go.
Thank god, what a breath offresh air that women can write
shit for women, unashamed, I'msorry.
(33:54):
Why does every single womanright have to be like she's a
sexy badass?
She doesn't play by the rules,like can we stop being pick me's
and just be girls, girls?
they're always in like thesetight leather outfits, like the
superheroes, it's so unrelatableand unrealistic and like where
there shouldn't be shame inwriting content for women.
(34:16):
Why do we have to be like?
I'm just like a guy like you.
You don't have to be, you canwrite what is funny to women.
And one of my biggest petpeeves is watching a show um,
female dominated or even femalestandup.
I'm laughing, I'm loving it.
And if you're with a guy andthey go, it's not funny.
No, it's not funny to you,because you don't have a vagina,
(34:37):
you don't have your period,you've never had a baby, anyone
with any of these things or whoslept with the guy.
You know, you get it.
It's funny to you and you can'tjust say well, men, male comics
are always funny.
No, their comedy is funny toyou, you have a penis and you've
slept with women and it's justa different sense of humor and
(34:58):
it drives me crazy.
She's not funny.
Well, 50 of the population iswomen, so at least half of us
find this money yeah, I thinkfor so long, like you said,
because it's been male dominated.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
They're not really like, they're just getting used
to, you know, being like.
Oh, so we can have differentviewpoints and it's yes like
they're just not anythingwritten by a male was the status
quo?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
it's not, this is male comic, he's a comic, she's
a female comic, but he's a comic, whereas up until seriously, a
couple years ago, it was like no, no, no, if you're gonna
identify by gender, then he's acomic, whereas up until
seriously a couple years ago, itwas like no, no, no, if you're
gonna identify by gender, thenhe's a male comic.
You know, and it was just thestatus quo.
Shows were funny because theywere written by men, they were
directed this way and theystarted these people because men
(35:43):
chose them.
Um, and that is what droveamerican globally, what we found
funny, what we found to beappropriate for TV.
And finally, women were like no, you know, we can actually like
(36:03):
wrangle half the populationright now.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm glad it's changing.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Thank God.
I actually just watched.
I'm going to recommend it.
It was, um, filth queen standup.
It just came out two weeks agoon Netflix.
I've never seen her, but I'veseen her in something before,
but I've never seen her stand up.
She's very popular in CanadaCause she's a comedy podcast, um
, and I was like, oh, I don'tknow, like cause filth queen?
So sometimes I'm not like intothe whole, like fart humor et
(36:28):
cetera, whatever.
Let me tell you, marissa, whenI was actually laughing out loud
I was home alone, I waslaughing out loud.
I had like stifle my laughterat some points.
I was like I can't believe Ilike this, like she is hilarious
, but like it's a no holdsbarred, like I'm a woman and
this is what we go through andeither you like it or you don't.
She was fucking hilarious.
(36:51):
Filth Queen guys on Netflix,very new, check it out.
It might not be for you because, like I said, it's called Filth
Queen.
So if that's not your vibe,that's not your vibe, but I
found like all her content sorelatable, even like the fart
stuff she talks about.
Because guys fart humor,they're like, so I let it rip
and you're like, okay, likeshe's talking about she's going
(37:12):
to like um a hinge date, likeshe's going to meet him at his
house and obviously fuck, andshe's like I let one sneak out
in the car, gotta know what itsmells like if it's.
If it's not smelly, we're gonnaget away with it, and I'm like
that is so funny.
Like she's like testing thewaters of her own gas, because
she's like if we're having sexand one slips out and it
definitely doesn't smell, we gotaway with it.
Um, but I was just like thisgirl is so funny.
(37:36):
Um, but yeah, I do like that.
Finally, it's like you could beunashamed to be doing female
humor for women.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, yeah, good, I'll have to give it a look,
give it a look out.
I think that's why I reallyliked allie long, because she
was very dirty and filthy anddescriptive with motherhood and
birth and doing things with nowher now ex-husband at the time
was her husband and I just Iliked it because, yeah, they
expect women to just be sodainty and funny but in like a
(38:08):
light hearted haha way and shewas just like nah, fuck it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And if you go on any of her, like anyone who comments
on her on reddit etc.
People will ream her.
They go okay.
Another special about how muchyou hate your kids.
Maybe you don't have kids, buthow come men can tell story
after story about hating theirwives, hating their girlfriends,
their dicks.
So many dick jokes.
Why are we not like, okay, youshouldn't have had kids then,
(38:34):
but because she's a mom, she'snot allowed also, people forget
especially.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I really hate when the pick me women say things
like that too because, like you,if you're a mother, you should
know that it just because youfeel this way about your kids,
that's not the whole story.
You're a human.
Maybe your kids are annoyingthe fuck out of you.
That day, like you're allowedto hate them, you still love
them, but like in that moment,that behavior you hate that
behavior Also.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Wait, sorry, guys, dose of your own medicine when
male comics make a horrificallymisogynistic joke and they go,
it's just a joke.
Same goes for Ali Wong.
Motherfuckers, it's just a joke.
She's a comedian.
She's literally paid to makethese jokes.
She doesn't actually want tokill her children.
Guys, use common sense.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Obviously.
Also, it's just like I don't.
I feel like it really hurts theprogress forward when you make
a woman feel bad for somethinglike that, because that's
reality for a lot of mothers,especially with postpartum
depression and everything likeventing and you know go into
shows like that where you canconnect and say me too feels
(39:40):
really good and it makes youfeel not alone.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, it's that connection, it's that endorphin
release, that serotonin, thatoxytocin, knowing like oh, so
you're supposed to sometimesjust want to like, punch a
window, awesome, okay.
Now it's now that I know myrage is totally justified.
I'm not going to go home andGoogle my symptoms and freak out
.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Right, right, because then then we're just isolated
and it's all hush hush and wefeel bad about it, like shame.
Why should we feel shame?
That's not the point.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You're on the the roller coaster of your life for
approximately 10 years.
I'm pretty sure you're going tobe like spinning out.
Jerry says longer, yeah.
Then they turn into teenagers.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So crazy.
I always say, like, why did wesign up for this?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
This is so insane.
Don't?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I know I forced you into it join me in hell it's
like, it's like silly, like Ican't even describe, like.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's insane, like you've never loved something so
much, but at the same time,you've also never you've never
loved something so much, but atthe same time, you've also never
hated everything that comeswith it.
You're like why and like.
I can't even explain it Like Iwould.
I would throw myself in frontof a bullet or a car for my kids
, but don't ask me to share mysnacks.
(41:01):
Stop singing the same song onrepeat and stop saying Viking
and sound like fucking in astore.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I would die for my kid.
But don't ask me to explain why.
That's how I always say.
I can't explain why, becausesometimes I actually want to
punch him.
I don't, but sometimes I'm likeyou could use a swift little
punchy punch just to just to goto bed.
Just to go to bed.
Um.
Yet I would be like strung andquartered for him.
Don't know why.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
He's kind of a prick sometimes, but I love the moms
that are like, if you disagreewith this, you don't spend
enough time with your kids.
Because it's so true, becauseif you spent enough time, you I
was- begging to send him tofull-time daycare yesterday,
like we can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But I was like I just want to be.
I was like on a rant.
I was like ted, you don'tunderstand, I'm not built for
this.
I want to be acare mom.
I want to go back to work and Iwant him to be in daycare full
time.
I want to be a part time mommy.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
That's why I sent my kids to camp.
They told me okay.
So I had a day where, like Iactually have nothing to do
except like back end stuff.
But I could have kept her home,spill the beans.
You want me to tell her shecould stay home because you have
no work?
I looked, he knew what I wassaying.
Without even saying a word, Igave him that look like you say
that.
I was like nope, mommy has worktoday.
(42:16):
When we sent her and then johnwas like oh, don't you feel bad,
though?
I'm like no, and you don't feelbad because you're going to
work in office, bitch no, like,if you were the one doing it,
you would be like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Like ted's always like I don't want to leave you
guys and I'm like swap swap.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I'm dr melton too.
Tag me in bitch like it is just,it's crazy it's, it's too hard
and you know what jerry's gonnalove this she loves when she
gets a little gems.
When I was a kid I would reallyget upset that she would send
us to camp, knowing that Ibecause there was times where I
didn't love all the camps Like Ilove Camp Lohican but like the
other ones in the area I wasn'treally a fan of and you know, as
(42:58):
a mother I get it.
First of all she was running abusiness.
She could not watch us, she didnot want us getting into
trouble.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
We didn't have a pool .
Speaker 1 (43:10):
She said all the time she felt guilty because she was
like we don't have a backyard,you would rot in the house,
right, right that, and like nowas a mother and like mental
health and sanity wise, like sheprobably did it for her own and
to get shit done because, like,who the fuck wants to run a
business and run your?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
kids.
I don't know if she could haveactually like the level she was
working and three kids.
I don't think it would havebeen possible to juggle.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I think, knowing Jerry, she would have done it if
she had to, but it would nothave been pretty.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I mean no like she said she's like you would have
just stayed inside and wastedaway and like what kind of
childhood is that?
Like we would have looked backand they're like we had no fun.
And she said she's like I feltguilty, like if we had a
gorgeous backyard and neighborsand pool.
Like then I mean I guess, yeah,you could have stayed home a
bit, but like we just didn'thave that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
No, I don't blame her now.
When I was a child, I was likemurder my mother, she hates me,
but now I'm like girl oh, I lovethe sign with it.
I was not that well, I was aninside kid, which is why I don't
want to keep my kids home,because if I do, I'm yeah yeah
they're gonna watch tv hours aday because they asked me to go
outside.
I go outside for five minutes.
If one bug lands near me, I'mdone, I'm done, I'm so done.
(44:18):
I hate the outdoors and I hateif it's too hot that I'm
sweating while sitting there.
No, you're so funny.
Done so, like you know.
I mean, like I don't want mykids to be like.
All we did was watch TV againfor number 12 days.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
They have too much energy.
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes, so you know what they might hate me, but you
know what I'm doing them a favor.
They get to be outside all daywith different friends and he,
jack, even said recently afterthe 4th of July, more kids from
school.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
So, like I have no friends, like you should have
different groups of friends,because you're not, you're going
to fall out with certain kids,you will.
You're not going to get alongwith everyone.
So it's good to be like youknow what?
I have friends from a differenttown and I have you know that
to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, so I yeah.
So I mean I don't regret mychoice about lying to my
daughter today, and everyone inthe thick of it understands why
I did and I don't regret it, Ido not feel bad?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
yeah, no, definitely not we're just.
We're just like staring into theabyss, like wish that was me I
know I'm trying to and I knowevery parent out there will get
it, especially if your kids areolder.
You're gonna be like oh, I knowI am trying to do that thing
where I'm living in the momentand acknowledging that it is
bittersweet.
He'll never be this young again, and you know.
(45:37):
So I'm trying to just be like Ican never get this time back
and I'm actually very fortunatethat I can be here with him
while he's this young.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, so you're gas.
Oh my god, I'm kidding, no no,it's true.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
It is true.
It's not like gaslighting in abad way, like it's good.
I'm gonna look back when I'm 70and be like, oh, it was nice.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Maybe yeah, yeah although I forget where we were,
it was a lot, it was definitelywithin six months.
Um, that was something that wassaid where it was like oh,
you'll miss this or whateverwhen they're teenagers.
And then some teenage momstepped in and was like oh no,
gets worse in different ways.
And then I looked at john andI'm like fucking hey, when does
this ever never?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
um, guys, I'm gonna be in the us in august, so merce
and I'll be recording together.
She is popping, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I can't wait.
She's going to be here for amonth.
Guys, we stole her back.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
We're going to have our.
What was that boozy brandcalled that?
We had all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh wait, why are you?
Why is it drawing a blank Cause?
Yeah, wow, what was it called?
Ah, yeah it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, that little one they know, shoot gosh used to
plug it I know, but every time Iwas drunk, so that's a great
plug for it.
Guys, you will get wasted onthese.
Yeah, you will think of it.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
We'll tell you again now yeah, we'll, yeah, it'll
come back to our mom brains,like it's all coming back to me
now like buy the glass.
Oh, you know what?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
buy the glass was just what I needed.
See, I I knew I was like, yes,oh my god, ladies, yeah, on the
rocks.
Margies, margies and moremargies, let's go I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Anyway, it's been a great episode, yeah thank you,
guys.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
So much psychotic pussy and off duty a mom's
receipt.
Please, guys, if you have anyquestions, reach out to us.
Let us know what you did forthe fourth of j July and let us
know about CRISPR technology andgene editing.
Tell us what you think.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, alrighty, take care.
Bye baby.
Hello, welcome to Psychotic PY Podcast.
It is season three, episodeeight.
We think Totally unsure, to behonest.
It's the summer, okay, we'reall a bit lackadaisical, we're
having fun, we're having drinkypoos.
I've already had a beer today.
Well, it's late here, it's 7,18 pm, so so, um, so yeah,
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everyone, welcome to psychoticPY pod.
And we are chatting aboutfemale antiheroes Can they exist
?
And, if they exist, can they beliked?
And we are talking about moresciencey things like CRISPR
technology and gene editing.
So let's kick it off geneediting.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So let's kick it off.
Hello, welcome back everybody.
Yeah, we went on a bit of ahiatus, sorry.
I've been doing a bunch ofother things for a new path
therapy and off-duty mom retreat, so I've just been a bit busy.
And then obviously justsummertime and children and
summer camps and all that funstuff.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Exactly yes, off duty .
Here we go again.
Shameless plug like off duty.
A mom's retreat.
Merce is running it.
It's her first big retreat.
It's her first retreat.
It's gonna be absolutely epic.
There's only five spots leftand yeah, so everyone follow the
instagram and join.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes please also coming soon to the UK off duty a
mom's retreat led by yourstruly, bridget.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Melton, don't hold me to it yet.
We're still trying to get itoff the ground.
Um, but yeah, there is a chance, guys, that we are going global
with off duty.
I think it's coming to the UK,so stay tuned, watch this space,
as they say, but when it's upand running, you will know.
Don't worry, you'll be blasted.
So, yeah, off duty might begoing across the pond, so that's
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super exciting Yay, all right,kick off our topic bridge pick
one of the two.
Okay, let's start with the heavystuff so that people stay a bit
focused, and then we we'll getinto the cray-cray.
Okay, so this is not super new,but it is newer as of 2025 that
it's actually happening.
But this has been in the worksfor a while, so we're going to
talk about it and you'reprobably like yeah, yeah, I've
heard of that, but usually it'sunethical, so it hasn't been
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done.
So CRISPR technology isbasically some gene editing and
in Japan, in February 2025, theysuccessfully had an embryo that
they use CRISPR technology onand they targeted the unwanted
chromosome on an embryo that hadtrisomy 21.
Trisomy 21 means a thirdaccidental copy of gene 21, the
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21st chromosome sorry, and thatleads to Down syndrome.
So approximately one in 700live births in the US will have
trisomy 21.
So it's not I wouldn't say it'scommon, but it's definitely not
uncommon.
There are some Nordic countrieswho have basically all but
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eliminated it, not because ofcrisper technology, but whenever
they offer um women um genetesting when they're pregnant
and they recommend.
They don't recommend, but theydo say, like you can terminate
this pregnancy if you havetrisomy 29 or any of the
trisomies, really, because umdown syndrome is very livable
and that's fine.
Um, although there are verynegative health consequences for
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your heart, lungs, et cetera,arthritis.
So just because you're like,hey, I have a cousin with down
syndrome.
He's absolutely fine.
It is very much a spectrum andthat's why it's a syndrome.
So syndromes mean that you canhave some all or none of these
certain things, but you willhave obviously three copies of
chromosome 21.
But you will have obviouslythree copies of chromosome 21.
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So some are really plagued byit and it really negatively
affects their heart health andthey don't live very pleasant
lives.
But some people are absolutelyfine and are a great time.
So in Nordic countries theyhave been saying you know, if
you want to terminate, do it.
And they did get a very highacceptance rate of that
procedure and that's why they'vebasically eliminated trisomy 21
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decades ago.
Wow, yeah.
Very interesting.
So CRISPR technology is, ifyou're, you know, doing IVF
basically if you have the embryooutside of the womb, then you
can use this targeted genetherapy treatment.
It is really a touchy topic,though, because some people
think it's unethical, becausethey say it's, you shouldn't do
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this.
Obviously, this is a massivefallacy, but they use slippery
slope mindset where they say,well, if you can do that, then
you can, you know, choose a babywith blue eyes.
You know where do we draw theline, kind of thing, although
that is an argumentative fallacy.
You can't just say, because wedo this, then automatically
we're going to do that.
Obviously, it's very different.
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Choosing your child's eye coloris very different than not
wanting to have a child who'splagued with illness.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But also I would say, like there, if they were, you
know, so concerned with yougoing in and choosing eye color,
like why does eye color doesn'thurt anybody, you know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
yes, but then you're getting in the whole designer
babies thing and you mightchoose height athleticism, and
then we would actually have likea massive wealth gap, um,
wealthy people choosingintelligent, tall athletic um
babies and obviously people whocan't afford that just having
you know us, they're normal kids, um, and then you would
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actually have like a massive.
I think you'd have like a classwar probably um.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
okay, yeah, I see that um, but yeah, I I mean I
don't know if you and ted havediscussed, like when you get
tested and it comes up with Downsyndrome, what you would do,
but John and I absolutely haveum and I think for me it came
down to.
I have worked my internships,um as a therapist in um
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facilities where, like you know,they're pretty much like
government run, they're reallyrun down and they go there for
like adult daycare pretty much,and they have different groups
all day and they get transportedthere, transported back, and I
just I just saw how they livedand what happens after, like
their parents die but they stillneed like full-time care and I
just couldn't do, I didn't wantto leave this earth knowing that
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my child wasn't cared for by meor could take care of
themselves.
So that's why John and I madethe decision that you know, if
Evelyn and Jack had been, youknow, positive for Down syndrome
, we would have definitely donethe abortion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, ted, and I have talked about it and I would say
I'm actually I surprised myself.
I was kind of more of the softywhere I completely agree with
you, where I was like it woulddestroy me knowing that like I
can't guarantee that my childwill have the best life that I
would provide for them.
Because when you are caring fora sick child again, even if
they're very, even if they havea driver's license and a job,
they still have Down syndrome,they still have certain needs
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and I would be just really likeI would be terrified knowing
like I'm probably going to diebefore my child and I don't know
in what state they will be left.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right.
Also, I feel like they arevulnerable to the world because
at least anyone that I, eitherin internship or in real life,
has crossed with, they have thissort of like innocence to them,
like they're very sweet, andthat unfortunately makes them a
target, like people will takeadvantage of that and that
really just does not sit wellwith me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Um yeah, it's.
It's such a tough topic, whichis why I guess CRISPR is amazing
, because it actually removesthat um decision.
They're saying we could stillkeep the embryo.
We're just doing gene therapy,which is amazing.
I think if we use CRISPR forgood and I'm saying good, I know
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that's a subjective term but ifwe use it for that and for
curing diseases only, that'samazing.
I truly do not believe weshould do.
Quote unquote designer babies.
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I truly honestly I hope that that is the case.
People use this for good, butyou know, my pessimistic self
knows that there's people outthere who always abuse the good
that we create.
So I'm hoping you know thosepeople don't start popping up.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, it's, it is.
It was for a very long time.
Even research with this stuffwas illegal outside of china, so
most research comes from chinawith this, because they were
like, yeah, we don't care, likethe, the research code of ethics
is a bit lower there, they're abit more experimental and they
let you play with more, whereas,um, in the us and canada they
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were like it.
No.
However, as we know, thingschange over time, so I would not
be surprised if now japan'sdone it, china's been doing it.
If other countries, westerncountries, are like well,
they're doing it, I guess we can, and that's who I don't trust.
Is it like in the hands ofmainstream?
Because people will push anagenda and be like well, I want
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to make sure that my kid is thesmartest and they get my
husband's height and it's such,you know, and that's, it's such
an unfair leg up advantage yeah,especially because money talks
and I feel like, even if you'renot seeing what happens behind
the scenes, someone is having apayday, someone is saying yes to
something that's unethicalbecause they're getting a big
payout yeah, exactly yeah, um,and that does worry me, but it
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is very interestingscientifically to know that we
are so far advanced that we can.
I mean, guys, these aremicroscopic chromosomes on a
microscopic embryo that we aretargeting and repairing.
That is amazing.
And also, the treated cellsshowed better survival rates in
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certain tests, indicating thatthe excess genetic burden was
successfully relieved.
It's just amazing, that's super.
Oh, that's awesome, that'sgreat.
So, yeah, just kind of a coolthing to talk about and I hope
yeah, like I said, I hope we useit for good.
I know good is like a loadedterm, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, we know Wink, wink.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But let us know what you guys think, because I think
it's such a touchy topic andpeople really feel especially if
you have family members withcertain diseases, I think,
because it's very hard to likedisconnect from that and you're
like I can't imagine like mycousin or my sister or whatever,
not being here Totally.
And, once again, I think thatshould always be your choice,
right, right, I'm definitely notof the opinion that we should
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automatically terminate.
I think it should definitely beyour choice because it is your
care burden and it's your babyto love.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
It should be the parents choice.
100 percent, that's.
It's amazing, though, forsomeone who may not have, like
they know, financially theycannot take care of someone with
down syndrome for the rest oftheir life, but they like, maybe
what if they've been strugglingfor years and this is the only
baby they could have conceived?
They don't want to give it up,and now this is an an option.
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That's a nice option.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Especially if you are doing IVF, you might feel like,
oh great, like we just got onlyone or two embryos and we can't
even use that one.
And now you're like actually wemight be able to, which is, I
mean, what a relief financiallyto not have to go through an
entire round of IVF again.
Absolutely.
So let us know what you guysthink.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yes, please, next topic.
Oh wait, let's do a littlepause in between topic.
We just are so excited that youguys, I'm sure, had a great 4th
of July.
So tell us, kind of, bridget,you go'd you do you, little
traitor, she's a treason party,a loyalist no, I had.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We had people over.
We did a fourth of July barbecue.
It was a Friday, you know, youguys know, um, so we had a
gorgeous fourth of July a littlebarbecue.
It was so funny, the weatherwas amazing, and then Ted went
out to grill so we had peopleover.
It's fine, it's daytime, likewe went shopping.
We hung out with theo by thetime.
It was actually becauseobviously people had work here
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so people couldn't come overuntil after work, so we weren't
eating dinner till like sevenmaybe.
Um, ted went out to grill and it, just out of nowhere, dark
clouds rolled in and it startedraining on him and he, he was
out there grilling.
He was so annoyed, it was likecold wind and we were like what
the hell?
It was like sunny and 75 allday, like truly came out of
nowhere.
And then he came in burgers anddogs, put them on the kitchen
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counter.
I was like okay, that's it.
Like if you want anything else,it's going in the oven.
Like sorry, and yeah, um, yeah,but we had a great barbecue.
We had to eat inside, whichkind of sucked, but that's fine.
Um, we had a huge case of bud.
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So everyone was like you got todrink American beer.
I made sure we listened tocountry music the whole night.
Um, I know Ted tried to controlthe music at the end and I was
like um excuse me, nope, it waslike god, save the my day um.
So yeah, it was actually likejust a typical like fourth of
july barbecue.
I just kept saying like theonly difference is usually you
start this at like one like andyou're there all day.
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I was like I don't know how Iused to do it.
It was my best friend, shannonshout out, shannon Shimrock used
to host the annual fourth of jJuly barbecue and you would
literally be there all day likedrinking games in and out of the
pool and then like we wouldsleep over at her house, like
I'd be like where did thatstamina come?
Like I could not do that now.
And also the thing about like4th of July is like if you go to
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someone's house, you're eatinglike lunch and dinner there,
like you're there all day.
So I was like guys, you got toget here quicker, come on, I
know you've worked, but likefucking, get here these people
are like.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Sure we'll celebrate your holiday where you left our
country and, like, threw ourteam to the harbor.
Well, the weather did, thecountry made sure it knew.
You knew that it was mad, Icouldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We were saying like, what a gorgeous day it is, and
then I was like, oh my god, whatthe fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
so funny.
Just want to let you know thatthat storm did not roll in in
america, I know we, we had agreat time.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, what did you guys do?
Oh, I know what you did.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Tell everyone what you did uh, we went to great
wolf lodge because my son isborn on the fourth of july, so
we had this pre-planned birthdayum weekend.
He was so excited.
But my god, like so.
I'm a very strict parent whenit comes to schedules and
bedtime, so we decided to justbe like crazy.
I have learned a lesson I willnever be crazy again, anyway
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okay, keep going, keep going,are you?
gonna say though, okay, so Ijust want to give you this
little tidbit.
So this is the first time mykids have actually stayed up for
the fireworks together, becausethey're either too young or my
oldest has always been afraid ofthe noise and like everything.
So we let them stay up late andI just want to give you a how
late, okay.
So you're like 9, 30, 10 oh,wow, that's late for them.
(14:59):
Wow, they would actually beexhausted, yeah um, yeah, evelyn
fell asleep a few times waitingfor the fireworks anyway.
But when they came on, yourcrazy psycho niece, she's in,
he's in the field.
Right, she's in the field,she's going like this.
They start going off.
She kicks her leg up every timeI'll go off and goes boom, boom
.
I turn over to look at jackie,your sweet little nephew.
He goes.
Mom, there's a lot of smokeover there.
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Is that fire truck moving?
Is that supposed to be overthere like that?
And they're just, they're soopposite.
I was cracking up.
I was like john, look at yourkids, they're further from she
like wants to push the button.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
She wants him to go off.
She did.
She's so funny.
I was cracking up, okay, so thefireworks and the balloon drop
in my head.
I was like this is a place forkids.
So I kind of giggled to myselfand I was like LOL, it's
probably like 6 pm there andthey're like yay, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, the balloon drop was 9.45.
Oh my God, I'm so impressedwith your kids.
Please don't be.
I paid for it the next day withtantrums.
I was like this is why we're ona schedule, Because my kids I
swear you know them like theycan be annoying sometimes, like
normal kids are, but likethey're they don't have
full-blown.
When I tell you, evelyn isstill leveling out because since
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we kept her up, even until now,she's had like a minimum of
four kids.
Oh my god.
But she had a plate of bacon.
She should have been happy.
Uh, as she's told my husband,you were the king.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I know, I told ted that and I was like how funny is
that?
Because to her obviously itjust means like you're not the
king of me, you're the king ofnothing.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But to an adult that is like a cutting insult john
had to turn his head because hehe wanted to stay mad at her,
but he was like that was sofunny, good insult jesus.
Right, I'm Jesus.
I couldn't even think of that.
I'm an adult.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
God she's intense Savage.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yes, yes, she is.
And she's on this weird kickwhere she wants to say Viking,
but she goes around and itsounds like fucking.
So we're in public and she'slike fucking, fucking.
And I'm like please stop,please, stop, please, oh okay.
I always have to correct her.
I'm like you mean like, so themoms can hear me.
I'm like you mean Viking,viking.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh, my God, that's funny.
Well, they looked adorable.
I was so jealous.
I will say guys, great WolfLodge, I don't know if you've
been in my head.
I was like, oh, a bunch of kidspools.
It's going to smell like piss.
It looks so nice bunch of kidspools.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's gonna smell like piss.
It looks so nice.
They have adult areas too wherekids can't go, so you don't
have to worry about like kidgerms and like peeing and so
like.
For, like, a certain area, thepool and hot tub were adults
only for people who go therewithout kids or maybe like have
a grandma with their kids, youknow my god nice yeah, yeah, I
thought it was.
It really was so interactive forthe kids.
It was so nice, although Imissed.
What they need to do is do whatcruises do, where you have like
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a drop off kid room, kids club.
Now, I know there's differentlocations and they're all set up
differently, so maybe one ofthe other locations has
something similar, but I reallywish the Poconos did, because I
I could have used some me andJohn time Not going to lie.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I mean I'm not there yet, cause kids clubs
usually start at like a toddlerage, so, like any place I've
looked up cause Ted and I aretrying to go away, like it's,
it's like you know, from age twoand I'm like I can't even, like
I would love that, but I can'tvisualize it yet.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Go on a cruise Cruise starts at six months up and
they and they actually give youa phone so you can call if
you're like mommy nervous.
They give you check-ins andthey do nap time for you, they
change diaper, they feed bottlesShit guys.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She's going on a cruise, ted's booking a cruise.
But yeah, I hope everyone hadan amazing 4th of July.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yes, we hope you did, and we hope you're not like
this treasonous bitch namedBridget.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I know, and you know what's funny for me.
Okay, I'm apparently like theloyalist.
Guess what?
I'm going to another 4th ofJuly thing, a delayed 4th of
July.
Someone's hosting July 12th, soI'm doubling up, guys.
How many of you in America aredoubling it up?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Just to beat you, I'm going to have another one this
weekend, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I, I'm going to have another one this weekend,
Absolutely.
I'm going to an officialbelated 4th of July party on
July 12th and I'm this guy Idon't know why he's asked me
like four times Are you sureyou're coming?
Or I was like yeah, I'll bethere, and Ted was like maybe
you're the token American, andhe's really nervous.
And I'm like wait, wait, is henot?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
He's English.
He's English, but I think he'sthrowing it because he has his
uncle, who lives in the States,who might be visiting.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh, so like instead of having a pig roast, they're
having a Bridget roast.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh my God, that would suck, I think listeners.
I think he might be sneakyproposing or something and
that's why he no, but I want tomake.
I think that's why he's like,oh, I just want to make sure
you're coming.
Like I think that's why he'slike, oh, I just want to make
sure you're coming.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I think in his head he wants RSVPs basically and I'm
like I told you I'm coming,we'll see it's more plausible
that you're like it's going tobe a big American roast.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That would really be funny, but also suck for me.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I hope Ted goes in hard too.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I hope he's like yeah , give it to her.
Guys, I'm a cancerian queen,I'm very sensitive.
I will go home and cry shewon't show it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I was going to say she'll cry alone in the shower.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be like that's so funny, and then
I'll go home and be like dad.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Is this true?
I love that about you.
I'll tell you guys.
I'll tell you Actually, can Tedfilm it?
If this happens, I want videoevidence for our podcast, the
roast of bridget.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh, that was you know what I'm bringing?
An american flag sheet cake.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't deserve this you gotta show real gaudy, like
that american cowgirl hat.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah like cut off in a red bikini top like a course,
oh myini like this is whateverybody wears in the summer.
Guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
come on, get on it.
Oh, you know what's worse thana Coors bathing?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
suit a natty ice.
I think they both exist.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I don't know yeah, get that bikini.
Throw on a fake, you know youcould rub it off later a tramp
stamp that says america aboveyour bikini.
Just really go for it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't own any of these things.
I'm a terrible american, so Ineed I need to prime day all
these if, if any of ourlisteners do, though, we're
totally, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Still, it's totally cool.
We're not making fun of we'retotally, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Still, it's totally cool.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
We're not making fun of you, we just want, yeah,
someone's listening to this withtheir natty ice bikini on
America tramp stamp Like whatthe fuck?
I don't hate it.
I don't hate it either.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right, let's talk about our next topic, okay, so
recently, sarah Jessica Parkersaid in an interview um,
basically, I'm just paraphrasingthat women leads cannot be
antiheroes.
They have to be very likable.
So, kind of just looking back,um, you know, back in like 2018,
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we saw the rise of the femaleanti-heroine with things like
killing Eve.
She was a big one.
Um, she's definitely ananti-hero, she's tough to love,
um, but they're basically, youknow, can women be anti-heroines
and actually be liked Umheroines and actually be liked?
(22:30):
Um, so when a girl's unlikable,a girl is a problem, uh.
Quote by roxane gay and her2014 essay um, bad feminist.
So, yes, I would say for a longtime, to be a successful
character, archetype inmainstream media, women had to
be obviously beautiful,sometimes funny, but not that
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essential, and you had to belikable.
My best example always isSkylar in Breaking Bad, the wife
.
I don't know if you've seenBreaking Bad.
Okay, the wife is just notlikable.
And she's not likable becauseshe's kind of like a real person
, where she's like where thefuck are you Like?
(23:12):
Like her husband is making methin the desert and she's like um
, hey, like are you coming home?
Like she basically is just likeis kind of a normal human that
you would not see before, thatyou wouldn't see that on screens
because they always made wivesvery pleasant, very likable, and
she wasn't.
She was just like where thefuck are you?
Why do you have a second cellphone?
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Why are you late for dinner?
All of a sudden you know, likeall these suspicions, that a
normal person in life would belike I'm sorry, but what the
fuck, like the jig is up.
Tell me where you've been.
She had a normal reaction andshe's one of the I think she's
been voted like the most hatedcharacter on tv, yeah, and when
you watch it she does great onyou.
She's very unlikable.
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But at the same time she's notunlikable because she's not a
good person.
She's just again like kind ofhow a normal wife would probably
react.
And I think that rubbed guyswrong because for years it was
like the guy could be whateverthe worst fuck up, cheater, this
, that and the other, and hewould always come home to like a
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pretty pleasant wife whowouldn't ruffle feathers like
that was the basic.
Like sitcom mom and then youknow, hbo mom and it really was
like skylar who was, you'll see.
I mean, you'll watch merce.
Honestly, you should watch it.
She's just not fucking likable.
Um, and that kind of actuallyfeeds more into the male
(24:41):
anti-hero because you go, oh mygod, he has to put up with her
and you actually sympathize forhim more, which is interesting.
But as of late they say around2017, 2018 we saw a massive rise
like fleabag.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You've seen fleabag the comedy no, but is it because
I think around that time that'swhen maleficent came out and
she's a great anti-hero, butbecause they give a backstory
and you realize she's actuallythe good person the whole time?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
yeah, so not in that sense.
I would say like in Fleabag,like it's a hilarious comedy,
phoebe Waller-Bridge massive.
Like literally one of the bestcommercially successful female
written sitcoms.
Like it's on prime.
It's only two seasons, sixepisodes total.
It's or six episodes each.
It's such an easy watch.
Um, she is, like you know,classic like train wreck.
(25:32):
Like she's classic like drinksa bit too much, makes mistakes,
falls in love with a hot priest,like you know.
Um, it's just like that funny,like flawed woman and until her,
and maybe maleficent and trainwreck that movie.
Um, obviously killing eve.
She's literally an assassin.
(25:53):
Until that rise of these women,it it was not okay to be
disliked like you would end upas a skylar who is globally
hated.
I've actually never spoken tosomeone who likes skylar men or
women.
Yeah, wow, that's actually Iknow, but now, but breaking bad
(26:14):
came out.
I think the first season waslike 2009, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Oh, the senior in high school yeah and well,
depending on if it was fall,then I was the world was just a
different place and it was like,oh, fuck that bitch.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Like people oh, my god, if you like, go on like a
subreddit of oh people like arelike fuck that bitch, we hate
her so much, hope she dies.
Um, yeah, she's a character guy, I know, I know, but that's how
much like it was just soabnormal to be like she's so
unpleasant on screen but yeah,but now it is kind of okay.
(26:50):
But Sarah Jessica Parker saysit's not and that she doesn't
think female anti-heroes get thesame love and praise that male
anti-heroes do.
Totally, who's one of the mostbeloved characters of all time?
Tony Soprano.
He's a sociopath.
Yeah, he cheats on his wifereligiously, kills people in
(27:11):
cold blood.
Is very should be, by allintents and purposes, should be
very unlikable.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Is beloved, yeah, yeah he's not even good looking,
is that?
I mean?
I think it also kind of stemsinto gender roles.
You know, yeah, no, definitelylike people meant to be this
rugged, rough, tough, bad guyand girls are supposed to just
be there.
We're just the supportingcharacter.
We're supposed to be there tolove, support, love you, no
matter what kind of psychopathyou are.
(27:40):
That's just our roles.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
And that role of nurturing, actually as the woman
, goes back way further than youthink.
I'm not going to say tribaltimes, because that's just
simply not true.
You had to be just as tough asa guy, although, yeah, you had
to take care of a baby becauseyou had milk and there was no
formula.
Back then the only way the babycould live is on your titty.
But in the Puritan I want tosay 15th century, up through
(28:11):
modern time it was priests wouldsay that the woman was the what
is the word I'm going to lookfor spirituality of the house
that women were too fragile anddainty and they had to stay home
and raise the children becausethey brought spirituality.
So now, if your husband goesout and cheats on you or doesn't
(28:32):
go to church, isn't living upto the Puritan beliefs or
Protestant beliefs, christianbeliefs in general, he can
repent and that's okay.
But the woman is what sheteaches her children's
spirituality.
So she has to be the best.
She has to be pure.
She has to be a virgin when youmeet her.
He doesn't have to be.
So she has to be the best.
She has to be pure.
She has to be a virgin when youmeet her.
He doesn't have to be, but shehas to be.
(28:53):
She has to be chaste and holygod-fearing um goes to church
every sunday and then also amember of bible study.
So she's in church all the time.
Because they thought that it washer job to be home with the
children all the time and theycould only learn to be good
through her, which obviously isnot true.
(29:13):
Your children learn by watchingeveryone who has a role in
their life, so both parents, ifboth parents live in that
household, both parents areequally influencing them.
Even if dad is not present,they have this.
His lack of presence influencesjust as much as his presence,
(29:36):
um, but obviously, how couldthey know that at the time?
But that is what set up thetimeline that now we're stuck
with now, whereas women have tobe good because in it we're so
pro we can't even explain.
We're so far removed from this.
We don't even know why womenhave to be good.
It's subconscious belief, butit stems from, uh, religious
teaching yeah, I don't doubtthat, and it was able.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They were able to get away with it for so long
because when you really restricthow you know high a girl can go
in school and then you'll marrythem off between 12 and you
know whatever I mean.
They're so young, they'reuneducated.
You do that after generationafter generation.
What are they?
They don't know any different.
They had no social.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
There were no rights as well.
You were, um.
When you got married, youbecame your husband's property.
So he was legally allowed tobeat the living crap out of you
as long as um, this is true, aslong as the stick he hit you
with was, uh, fatter than hisfinger, um, so he, he, you were
his property.
So he had property rights overyou like he would his house,
(30:33):
meaning you could never own thehouse, you couldn't.
The money was never yours, um,basically, everything he touched
was his.
Everything you had inheritedbefore marriage is automatically
his now, not joint, it's hisonce you get married.
Get married, um, so it was justa very different time.
So it wasn't like, oh, you hadno way out.
(30:53):
You legally couldn't get out.
Your husband had to die.
You could, you had to be awidow.
Women used to pray that theirhusbands would die I, I don't
get that, I really don't becausethen if you were a widow, at
least it wasn't, divorce wasillegal, so it was like you
weren't living illegally, um,and you were free.
(31:15):
You would like be like thank God, my husband.
I mean, how sad is that, um,but yeah, so it's very
interesting that we have thiswhole subconscious belief that
women have to be good andbeautiful enough, at least when
men can be the.
I mean, the classic americansitcom is like a kevin james
type heavy, not attractive, butfunny, with the leah ramini
(31:40):
who's an absolute knockoutobviously I'm talking about king
of queens like and that was thethe, you know play by play of
every american sitcom fordecades before and decades after
.
And we, until modern day, wewere not like, wait a second,
how the fuck would kevin jamesland leah ramini?
Because men wrote the shows,yeah, pretty much like they
(32:04):
never were like, wait a second,this girl, who's way hotter than
him, way smarter, would neverfall for him.
They were just like well, he'sfunny, it's like so listen, they
were getting away with it.
Yeah, they were and I do lovelike fleabag is.
I can't believe you haven'twatched.
It was such a hit 2018.
Girl like that was like alleveryone talked about girl 2018.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Who knows what I was doing it was like one of the
even mom has seen it.
It's like one of the biggestcommercial successes, like she's
won every award for it and shewrote it herself it is so it's
based on her one woman show andthen they turned it into two
seasons on prime.
It is so funny you should watchit.
Um, definitely, yeah,definitely, it was everywhere.
(32:49):
Um, but it's, it is like I loveit because it finally ushered
in the new um era of like youcould have a female written show
, mostly female cast, and guesswhat?
It doesn't have to be thatclassic like oh, I'm an assassin
and I'm funny and I beer and ahot dog like she.
(33:12):
They literally have an episodewhere her sister gets a bad
haircut and they have like theworst day ever and it's like
yeah, no, like I'm sorry, likethat's what girls like.
They go, they rush into thesalon and they go hair is
everything and it's like youknow this is not written by a
man, because a man would be likethat's not true, I'm sorry.
If you get a fucking badhaircut, you best believe you
(33:34):
are going home and sobbing no,like we're not guys, we can't
just fucking buzz it and go.
Oh well, it'll grow back inlike it is one of the most like,
just like episode.
You just identify with it, youtotally get it and you go.
Thank god, what a breath offresh air that women can write
shit for women, unashamed, I'msorry.
(33:54):
Why does every single womanright have to be like she's a
sexy badass?
She doesn't play by the rules,like can we stop being pick me's
and just be girls, girls?
they're always in like thesetight leather outfits, like the
superheroes, it's so unrelatableand unrealistic and like where
there shouldn't be shame inwriting content for women.
(34:16):
Why do we have to be like?
I'm just like a guy like you.
You don't have to be, you canwrite what is funny to women.
And one of my biggest petpeeves is watching a show um,
female dominated or even femalestandup.
I'm laughing, I'm loving it.
And if you're with a guy andthey go, it's not funny.
No, it's not funny to you,because you don't have a vagina,
(34:37):
you don't have your period,you've never had a baby, anyone
with any of these things or whoslept with the guy.
You know, you get it.
It's funny to you and you can'tjust say well, men, male comics
are always funny.
No, their comedy is funny toyou, you have a penis and you've
slept with women and it's justa different sense of humor and
(34:58):
it drives me crazy.
She's not funny.
Well, 50 of the population iswomen, so at least half of us
find this money yeah, I thinkfor so long, like you said,
because it's been male dominated.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
They're not really like, they're just getting used
to, you know, being like.
Oh, so we can have differentviewpoints and it's yes like
they're just not anythingwritten by a male was the status
quo?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
it's not, this is male comic, he's a comic, she's
a female comic, but he's a comic, whereas up until seriously, a
couple years ago, it was like no, no, no, if you're gonna
identify by gender, then he's acomic, whereas up until
seriously a couple years ago, itwas like no, no, no, if you're
gonna identify by gender, thenhe's a male comic.
You know, and it was just thestatus quo.
Shows were funny because theywere written by men, they were
directed this way and theystarted these people because men
(35:43):
chose them.
Um, and that is what droveamerican globally, what we found
funny, what we found to beappropriate for TV.
And finally, women were like no, you know, we can actually like
(36:03):
wrangle half the populationright now.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm glad it's changing.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Thank God.
I actually just watched.
I'm going to recommend it.
It was, um, filth queen standup.
It just came out two weeks agoon Netflix.
I've never seen her, but I'veseen her in something before,
but I've never seen her stand up.
She's very popular in CanadaCause she's a comedy podcast, um
, and I was like, oh, I don'tknow, like cause filth queen?
So sometimes I'm not like intothe whole, like fart humor et
(36:28):
cetera, whatever.
Let me tell you, marissa, whenI was actually laughing out loud
I was home alone, I waslaughing out loud.
I had like stifle my laughterat some points.
I was like I can't believe Ilike this, like she is hilarious
, but like it's a no holdsbarred, like I'm a woman and
this is what we go through andeither you like it or you don't.
She was fucking hilarious.
(36:51):
Filth Queen guys on Netflix,very new, check it out.
It might not be for you because, like I said, it's called Filth
Queen.
So if that's not your vibe,that's not your vibe, but I
found like all her content sorelatable, even like the fart
stuff she talks about.
Because guys fart humor,they're like, so I let it rip
and you're like, okay, likeshe's talking about she's going
(37:12):
to like um a hinge date, likeshe's going to meet him at his
house and obviously fuck, andshe's like I let one sneak out
in the car, gotta know what itsmells like if it's.
If it's not smelly, we're gonnaget away with it, and I'm like
that is so funny.
Like she's like testing thewaters of her own gas, because
she's like if we're having sexand one slips out and it
definitely doesn't smell, we gotaway with it.
Um, but I was just like thisgirl is so funny.
(37:36):
Um, but yeah, I do like that.
Finally, it's like you could beunashamed to be doing female
humor for women.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, yeah, good, I'll have to give it a look,
give it a look out.
I think that's why I reallyliked allie long, because she
was very dirty and filthy anddescriptive with motherhood and
birth and doing things with nowher now ex-husband at the time
was her husband and I just Iliked it because, yeah, they
expect women to just be sodainty and funny but in like a
(38:08):
light hearted haha way and shewas just like nah, fuck it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And if you go on any of her, like anyone who comments
on her on reddit etc.
People will ream her.
They go okay.
Another special about how muchyou hate your kids.
Maybe you don't have kids, buthow come men can tell story
after story about hating theirwives, hating their girlfriends,
their dicks.
So many dick jokes.
Why are we not like, okay, youshouldn't have had kids then,
(38:34):
but because she's a mom, she'snot allowed also, people forget
especially.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I really hate when the pick me women say things
like that too because, like you,if you're a mother, you should
know that it just because youfeel this way about your kids,
that's not the whole story.
You're a human.
Maybe your kids are annoyingthe fuck out of you.
That day, like you're allowedto hate them, you still love
them, but like in that moment,that behavior you hate that
behavior Also.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Wait, sorry, guys, dose of your own medicine when
male comics make a horrificallymisogynistic joke and they go,
it's just a joke.
Same goes for Ali Wong.
Motherfuckers, it's just a joke.
She's a comedian.
She's literally paid to makethese jokes.
She doesn't actually want tokill her children.
Guys, use common sense.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Obviously.
Also, it's just like I don't.
I feel like it really hurts theprogress forward when you make
a woman feel bad for somethinglike that, because that's
reality for a lot of mothers,especially with postpartum
depression and everything likeventing and you know go into
shows like that where you canconnect and say me too feels
(39:40):
really good and it makes youfeel not alone.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, it's that connection, it's that endorphin
release, that serotonin, thatoxytocin, knowing like oh, so
you're supposed to sometimesjust want to like, punch a
window, awesome, okay.
Now it's now that I know myrage is totally justified.
I'm not going to go home andGoogle my symptoms and freak out
.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Right, right, because then then we're just isolated
and it's all hush hush and wefeel bad about it, like shame.
Why should we feel shame?
That's not the point.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You're on the the roller coaster of your life for
approximately 10 years.
I'm pretty sure you're going tobe like spinning out.
Jerry says longer, yeah.
Then they turn into teenagers.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So crazy.
I always say, like, why did wesign up for this?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
This is so insane.
Don't?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I know I forced you into it join me in hell it's
like, it's like silly, like Ican't even describe, like.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's insane, like you've never loved something so
much, but at the same time,you've also never you've never
loved something so much, but atthe same time, you've also never
hated everything that comeswith it.
You're like why and like.
I can't even explain it Like Iwould.
I would throw myself in frontof a bullet or a car for my kids
, but don't ask me to share mysnacks.
(41:01):
Stop singing the same song onrepeat and stop saying Viking
and sound like fucking in astore.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I would die for my kid.
But don't ask me to explain why.
That's how I always say.
I can't explain why, becausesometimes I actually want to
punch him.
I don't, but sometimes I'm likeyou could use a swift little
punchy punch just to just to goto bed.
Just to go to bed.
Um.
Yet I would be like strung andquartered for him.
Don't know why.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
He's kind of a prick sometimes, but I love the moms
that are like, if you disagreewith this, you don't spend
enough time with your kids.
Because it's so true, becauseif you spent enough time, you I
was- begging to send him tofull-time daycare yesterday,
like we can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But I was like I just want to be.
I was like on a rant.
I was like ted, you don'tunderstand, I'm not built for
this.
I want to be acare mom.
I want to go back to work and Iwant him to be in daycare full
time.
I want to be a part time mommy.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
That's why I sent my kids to camp.
They told me okay.
So I had a day where, like Iactually have nothing to do
except like back end stuff.
But I could have kept her home,spill the beans.
You want me to tell her shecould stay home because you have
no work?
I looked, he knew what I wassaying.
Without even saying a word, Igave him that look like you say
that.
I was like nope, mommy has worktoday.
(42:16):
When we sent her and then johnwas like oh, don't you feel bad,
though?
I'm like no, and you don't feelbad because you're going to
work in office, bitch no, like,if you were the one doing it,
you would be like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Like ted's always like I don't want to leave you
guys and I'm like swap swap.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I'm dr melton too.
Tag me in bitch like it is just,it's crazy it's, it's too hard
and you know what jerry's gonnalove this she loves when she
gets a little gems.
When I was a kid I would reallyget upset that she would send
us to camp, knowing that Ibecause there was times where I
didn't love all the camps Like Ilove Camp Lohican but like the
other ones in the area I wasn'treally a fan of and you know, as
(42:58):
a mother I get it.
First of all she was running abusiness.
She could not watch us, she didnot want us getting into
trouble.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
We didn't have a pool .
Speaker 1 (43:10):
She said all the time she felt guilty because she was
like we don't have a backyard,you would rot in the house,
right, right that, and like nowas a mother and like mental
health and sanity wise, like sheprobably did it for her own and
to get shit done because, like,who the fuck wants to run a
business and run your?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
kids.
I don't know if she could haveactually like the level she was
working and three kids.
I don't think it would havebeen possible to juggle.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I think, knowing Jerry, she would have done it if
she had to, but it would nothave been pretty.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I mean no like she said she's like you would have
just stayed inside and wastedaway and like what kind of
childhood is that?
Like we would have looked backand they're like we had no fun.
And she said she's like I feltguilty, like if we had a
gorgeous backyard and neighborsand pool.
Like then I mean I guess, yeah,you could have stayed home a
bit, but like we just didn'thave that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
No, I don't blame her now.
When I was a child, I was likemurder my mother, she hates me,
but now I'm like girl oh, I lovethe sign with it.
I was not that well, I was aninside kid, which is why I don't
want to keep my kids home,because if I do, I'm yeah yeah
they're gonna watch tv hours aday because they asked me to go
outside.
I go outside for five minutes.
If one bug lands near me, I'mdone, I'm done, I'm so done.
(44:18):
I hate the outdoors and I hateif it's too hot that I'm
sweating while sitting there.
No, you're so funny.
Done so, like you know.
I mean, like I don't want mykids to be like.
All we did was watch TV againfor number 12 days.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
They have too much energy.
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes, so you know what they might hate me, but you
know what I'm doing them a favor.
They get to be outside all daywith different friends and he,
jack, even said recently afterthe 4th of July, more kids from
school.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
So, like I have no friends, like you should have
different groups of friends,because you're not, you're going
to fall out with certain kids,you will.
You're not going to get alongwith everyone.
So it's good to be like youknow what?
I have friends from a differenttown and I have you know that
to look forward to.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, so I yeah.
So I mean I don't regret mychoice about lying to my
daughter today, and everyone inthe thick of it understands why
I did and I don't regret it, Ido not feel bad?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
yeah, no, definitely not we're just.
We're just like staring into theabyss, like wish that was me I
know I'm trying to and I knowevery parent out there will get
it, especially if your kids areolder.
You're gonna be like oh, I knowI am trying to do that thing
where I'm living in the momentand acknowledging that it is
bittersweet.
He'll never be this young again, and you know.
(45:37):
So I'm trying to just be like Ican never get this time back
and I'm actually very fortunatethat I can be here with him
while he's this young.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, so you're gas.
Oh my god, I'm kidding, no no,it's true.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
It is true.
It's not like gaslighting in abad way, like it's good.
I'm gonna look back when I'm 70and be like, oh, it was nice.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Maybe yeah, yeah although I forget where we were,
it was a lot, it was definitelywithin six months.
Um, that was something that wassaid where it was like oh,
you'll miss this or whateverwhen they're teenagers.
And then some teenage momstepped in and was like oh no,
gets worse in different ways.
And then I looked at john andI'm like fucking hey, when does
this ever never?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
um, guys, I'm gonna be in the us in august, so merce
and I'll be recording together.
She is popping, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I can't wait.
She's going to be here for amonth.
Guys, we stole her back.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
We're going to have our.
What was that boozy brandcalled that?
We had all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh wait, why are you?
Why is it drawing a blank Cause?
Yeah, wow, what was it called?
Ah, yeah it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, that little one they know, shoot gosh used to
plug it I know, but every time Iwas drunk, so that's a great
plug for it.
Guys, you will get wasted onthese.
Yeah, you will think of it.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
We'll tell you again now yeah, we'll, yeah, it'll
come back to our mom brains,like it's all coming back to me
now like buy the glass.
Oh, you know what?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
buy the glass was just what I needed.
See, I I knew I was like, yes,oh my god, ladies, yeah, on the
rocks.
Margies, margies and moremargies, let's go I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Anyway, it's been a great episode, yeah thank you,
guys.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
So much psychotic pussy and off duty a mom's
receipt.
Please, guys, if you have anyquestions, reach out to us.
Let us know what you did forthe fourth of j July and let us
know about CRISPR technology andgene editing.
Tell us what you think.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, alrighty, take care.
Bye baby.
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