May 23, 2025 • 46 mins
When did puberty become a battleground? Today, girls as young as eight years old are experiencing their first periods—significantly earlier than previous generations—and the reasons might surprise you.
The latest research challenges our long-held assumptions about childhood obesity triggering early puberty. Instead, scientists have discovered that diet quality, independent of weight, plays a decisive role in when menstruation begins. Children consuming inflammatory, ultra-processed foods face a 15% higher likelihood of early periods, while healthier diets delay onset by 8%. This timing isn't merely an inconvenience; it's a health marker with lifelong implications for cancer risk, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes.
Beyond the physical implications, we candidly explore the psychological impact of puberty's awkward timing. Through personal stories (including our dramatically different experiences at ages 11 versus 15), we examine the painful reality of middle school body scrutiny. Remember being labeled an "early bloomer" or teased for having "mosquito bites"? That shame leaves lasting scars. We challenge parents to recognize that pre-pubescent weight gain is biologically necessary and that negative body commentary during this vulnerable time can trigger lifelong issues with self-image.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when we discuss Judy Bloom's revolutionary books about puberty—many banned because "girls shouldn't read about menstruation." This censorship reflects our society's persistent discomfort with perfectly normal development. As one mother disturbingly stated, she'd "rather her daughter read pornography" than Bloom's book about consensual relationships between eighteen-year-olds.
Whether you're a parent navigating these conversations with your child, an adult still healing from your own puberty experience, or someone who wants to better understand this universal yet uniquely individual journey, this episode offers wisdom, humor, and validation. Subscribe now and join the conversation about how we can better support young people through one of life's most challenging transitions.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, welcome back to Psychotic PY Podcast.
This is episode 5.
It is past Mother's Day at thispoint, and even Cinco de Mayo.
It is actually the 13th that weare recording Sad news.
Bridget leads the 19th, so weare really close to her
departure, please let her stayplease.
Anyway, taking it away for thisepisode, she'll introduce the
(00:27):
topic bridget hi everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes, my last week here, um, I hope everyone had an
amazing mother's day.
Whether you have been a motheronce, twice previously,
currently mother, yeah,miscarrying, um, anything
honestly looking for, lookingfor surrogacy, trying to become
a mother if you're a mother,become a mother.
If you're a mother and you hateit, if you're a mother and you
love it, adopted, adopted.
(00:50):
If you're a mother of any kind,if you've ever a stepmom, yes,
if you've ever felt like amother, you're a mother.
Sorry, that's our vocal in thebackground Until she leaves.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We have a guest star of Theo.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But we hope everyone had an amazing Mother's's day,
even if you were celebratingother people, celebrating
yourself, celebrating people youlove, people you hate.
No, mothers can be grating, yes, but uh, hopefully everyone had
an amazing weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
The weather was definitely out so we recently
walked with my mom's friend,vickyicky.
Love you, vicky.
What was it like for 5.1 miles?
It was so beautiful.
You know she lives in a beachtown Beautiful.
You know place to live and beable to walk to the main street
and the beach.
We got very lucky.
Good day.
We got Theo a hat Adorable, hadto prevent a summer.
(01:39):
He's Irish and English, okayyeah.
Yes, he's irish and english okayyeah, yes, an american, an
american, but, but we're alsoirish.
So um, very pale skin, blueeyes like kid.
Um, we we must have wore himout sitting in the carriage all
day, because he slept foreverfor virgin he slept about 14
hours.
We were worried about beingable to record today because he
(01:59):
was just such a perfect wewouldn't wake up, he would not
wake up, we were like are youalive?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
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Hey, the reason I started is actually from my
college days, when my bestfriend, nicole, told me about
how she was conceived.
Her parents had gone away onvacation and had blue Hawaiians
oh my god stop it, and that'swhere I started.
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Even dexter wants please giveus booze, okay okay, so today's
topic is judy bloom heavy.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's all about menstruation and puberty.
We're really excited becauseboth of us went through puberty.
Unfortunately also shout outjudy bloom, new jersey.
Um, uh, what do you call thething?
Hall of fame, new jersey native.
Um, a lot of her books actuallytake place in new jersey.
She's great.
She's an octogenarian now.
I don't know exactly how old,but I know she's in her 80s and
(03:21):
so she's relevant because we'retalking about puberty and we are
specifically mentioning umwe're gonna talk about this as
well is her new series onnetflix is based off her book
forever.
Um, she is an executiveproducer on it.
Um, so she talks about um.
How much it, you know, changedthings for her daughter, and
we'll dive into it.
So shout out judy bloom, shoutout new jersey, shout out
(03:43):
puberty.
So so the first thing we'retalking about is a CNN article
that was just posted.
Actually, it was updated today,tuesday, may 13th, that's today
.
So the headline in CNN healthis early periods are a problem
and what your kid eats may makean impact.
Studies suggest so dialing wayback to, let's say, late 90s,
(04:07):
early 2000s, when we did noticethat there was an earlier period
progression, for girlsspecifically.
So average period for men,that's hard period, lol.
Puberty there is a myriad,though there's a male period.
Anyway, the average age ofpuberty for boys was still 9 to
11 years old, and that's thestart of puberty.
(04:27):
When doctors say average age ofpuberty, we don't mean like
they're done, like you're, not11, ready to be like Everyone's
different, we learned even fromgrowing up, our friends had it
in different years, right yeah,very different.
But when we say average age,that means the start.
So for 9 to 11, for boys, 8 sayaverage age.
That means the start.
Yeah, so for nine to 11 forboys, eight to 12 for girls,
(04:50):
eight.
Now you're saying, holy shnikes, that's really young, it is so
back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, itwas not that age, however.
Nowadays it's eight to 12.
So let's dive into that.
So way back when in the 80s,90s, 2000s, when we were
learning holy shnnikes, it'sgetting really early, um, it was
.
We were linking it to, um,childhood obesity.
Now that is because obesity, uh, fat and estrogen are besties.
(05:12):
We've talked about this,definitely on our podcast before
.
Estrogen is fat that lovesestrogen.
So extra estrogen is stored inyour fat as something called
estrone.
It's still an hormone.
So if you are a slightlypudgier little girl, let's say
festive jolly, who knows thislarger body?
You know which a lot of younggirls are.
(05:33):
Because let me get back to this, hold on, I have too many
things I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We're going to yeah there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, puberty is an exciting topic.
Um, so if you have that extrafat stores in your thighs and
belly, which is where it'sexpected to be, you have more
estrogen stores.
Now, if you have higher levelsof estrogen at the age of eight
or nine, you will kickstartpuberty.
So they thought, okay, it'sobviously because kids are
(05:58):
heavier.
Now new research suggeststhat's not true and that it
actually is diet dependent,independent of your BMI.
Um, now, what I was going to sayis how to get back to it is
girls this is very typical younggirls specifically put on what
you call like baby fat, puppyfat, right before puberty,
(06:19):
because you need that to helplaunch your estrogen into
puberty.
So if you have a daughter rightnow and she's eight, nine, 10,
11, and all of a sudden younotice, oh, she's gaining a
little bit of weight, that isnormal, and the worst thing you
can do biologically is put heron a diet at this age, you will
set her up for cardiovasculardisease, diabetes, obviously low
(06:41):
self-esteem and yo-yo dieting.
The best thing for you to do iscompletely ignore it and
acknowledge that.
This is biology.
She needs that fat to get herthrough puberty and when she
turns, you know, 14, 15, 16.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
She's going to grow taller, thin out, and that's it
I'm not even a doctor and I haveseen this in my own practice
with um, if I meet with younggirls or their mothers and like
that is their concern.
But but yet the key is, asRegina said, it has only come on
right before they're about tostart puberty.
They will thin out, they'regoing to shoot up, they will get
rid of it.
Please do not make them feelanything less than that they are
(07:17):
.
Don't bring attention to it.
The best thing you can do iskeep going on every day Like
nothing has ever changed, justlike your boys get hungry before
puberty.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's how you know your boys are growing.
All of a sudden you're like myfridge literally cannot be
stocked.
We girls need that too.
Why are we saying like it'sokay for boys to eat you out of
house and home and you go brokein a day?
Girls need that same.
Like grace, like girls are alsohungry because their bodies are
changing.
And just because they don'tgrow three inches overnight,
like like your son maybe did,they're still growing massively
(07:46):
Also correct me if I'm wrong,but don't women biologically
from back in the caveman days?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
we have an extra layer of fat in our thighs, 30%
more.
There's a reason for it becausewhile they were the hunters, we
were the gatherers and weneeded it.
It's normal we need it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Stop pushing away from it.
Women carry 30% more fat on onaverage, especially in the
thighs and midsection.
A lot of that had to do withwaiting in water, so when you
waited in cold water, you neededthe fat to insulate you and
keep you warm.
Also, obviously, you need fatbecause, like I said, estrogen
and fat are besties.
If women are carrying babies,you need estrogen to have a
normal period, to carry apregnancy, etc.
(08:22):
So you need to kind of freeyourself.
The most freeing thing is tosay I'm going to forever now
intertwine estrogen, which is agood thing.
You need that when you dropyour menopause.
I'm going to forever link fatand estrogen together and
instead stop trying to be likeI'm going to drop all my fat.
I need to lose all my fat.
(08:42):
If you lose all your fat, youwill lose your estrogen.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They don't call them birthing hips for nothing,
ladies and gentlemen.
There's a reason why people menmay look at you like, wow,
you've got good birthing hips.
Women, I like you.
There's a reason.
I mean, it might beinappropriate at times, but
there's a reason.
They say that it's true makingyoung girls specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean, listen, if you're an adult and you want to
feel however you want as aboutyour body, you're an adult, you
make your own decisions.
It upsets me because I feel sad, but if you want to feel
however type of way about yourbody, that's completely your
choice.
But do not please ever put thatmindset on a young girl who's
about to go through pubertywhich, as young girls know,
anyone who's ever met a girlbefore is like in such a
(09:26):
tumultuous time, and the worstthing is then to have, like your
mom, be like oh, by the way,you're fat and you're like, oh,
my god, yes, could this getworse?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
what I mean I've learned we're gonna generalize
it here because I don't want to,you know.
Just like, single anybody outbecause this is definitely a
community experience, at leastfrom our age and and older.
I know we're doing better nowafter, like our kids are
definitely going to grow up in abetter, wholesome mental health
environment, but before ourkids, our generation and up,
(09:55):
like experienced like thosespecial k moms and my god,
almond diet moms, and you knowwhat I'm talking about right
special k literally was likehere's a diet, just eat our
cereal.
No nutrition cereal, three timestheir whole premise was either
you eat a cereal or a cereal barand you.
I'm not saying it didn't work,it probably did because carbs
only.
Yeah, starving yourself, butwas it healthy and did you get
(10:18):
the vitamins you needed everyday?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
there's no protein in cereal no, you, you would.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Definitely you would lose the weight, were you
healthy?
No, and we now know, as we havebecome more educated through
time, that just because you'reskinny doesn't mean you're
healthy, does not mean you'rehealthy Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
As we talked about in season one with our friend
Annie, who's a dietician, yourbody size and your health are
not inextricably linked.
You can be a larger body personand have numbers that are
showing you're very healthy,you've got great protein intake,
your lipids are in check.
Why do we all automaticallyassume, oh, she's bigger body,
so she's unhealthy?
It's not true.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's the way society has made us feel and as again,
thank you for mentioning Annie.
We'd love to plug her Annie's ato Z wellness.
A to Z wellness.
I just want you registereddietitian registered, registered
dietitian.
But I want everybody to knowbecause they maybe they don't
she is covered by insurance, soshe has got you covered.
I don't want you to be likewell, I would love to meet with
(11:16):
her but I can't afford it.
You can, if you can afford alow copay, you can afford Annie
and honestly I think she's thebest around right, best we know.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Annie Zappula A to Z Wellness.
Look her up guys.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So Diving more into the CNN study.
So what we found was eating amore inflammatory diet is
associated with a 15% greaterchance of kids having their
first period in the next month,whereas a healthier diet reduced
this risk by 8%, according tothe Journal of Human
(11:54):
Reproduction.
Now you might be saying what isa higher inflammatory diet?
It's linked withultra-processed foods.
So processed foods, I get it.
We live in a modern world,we're all on the go.
It might be hard to avoid these.
Ultra-processed foods refer tomore fast foods, certain deli
meats, stuff like that.
(12:15):
Ultra-processed foods can alsosometimes be called junk foods,
so the foods that your bodywouldn't naturally use for
energy and burn those caloriesnicely.
There's still obviously asource of fuel for you.
You're not going to starve byany means.
Your body will use them, butthey will not use them as
efficiently and to the maximumcapacity that your body would
use whole foods.
(12:36):
That's really the maindifference.
So an early start tomenstruation, as CNN says, isn't
just inconvenient Okay, I meanCNN, did a man write this
article Inconvenient, but it isa marker for chronic conditions.
This is very true.
So if you go into amenstruation earlier, that means
your estrogen is peakingearlier.
Now you expose yourself to morecancers.
(12:57):
This is really sad.
So the higher levels ofestrogen you have throughout
your life, estrogen can becomeeventually a carcinogen.
So you open yourself up to ahigher risk of breast cancer
lifetime a higher risk ofovarian cancer because now
you're ovulating more than youwould be and it can be very
(13:17):
dangerous, absolutely.
Also, an early first period,which is impacted by genetics.
Obviously we always look to youknow your mother.
However, she went throughpuberty and external factors is
associated with a higher risk ofbreast cancer, cardiovascular
disease and diabetes, with ahigher risk of breast cancer,
cardiovascular disease anddiabetes.
(13:38):
So it's really important toaddress these issues because we
shouldn't have maybeeight-year-olds going through
menstruation.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Correct, I will say.
As life moves on, we areplagued with this on-the-go
lifestyle.
Right, everyone has to be in amillion sports, so many parent
teacher conferences.
Mothers are more likely to benot in the home but working
right, because life is expensive.
So that does force a big partof the population into like
(14:07):
what's quick, what's easy,what's fast, what's cheap, which
tends to be fast food.
Fast food, if eaten enough, ifit's a regular part of your diet
, will make you have.
If you're a female,biologically, then you might
have an eight-year-old period,unfortunately, because the
hormones in the diet food yeahso a lot of ultra processed food
.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Let's say, let's just say, like mcdonald's, I don't
know, I'm just taking it as anexample um, please don't sue us.
I know, I know, please, wecan't afford it, we'll call it
mcdonald's also.
we have no money, so can't getblood from a stone.
Yeah, we're not monetized forthis, so meh, who cares?
You probably buy a cheaper orlower quality chicken, beef, et
(14:49):
cetera.
It might be loaded withantibiotics and hormones.
It is what it is.
That's the world we live in.
Yes, and now again, this waskind of the older way of
thinking, though.
Is that this kind of foodopened you?
up to having a period, becauseyou're getting the hormones from
the chicken, the beef, etcetera, the antibiotics from the
(15:10):
chicken, the beef, whatever.
It's hard to say chicken or theegg, because we don't do
studies on children, especiallychildren who are going through
puberty.
It can be unethical, so it'sreally really hard to determine
what exactly is making childrengo through puberty sooner.
But we can just kind of assumethat it is linked to our diet,
(15:32):
because that is a major culturalshift that has happened since.
We've recorded these earlierperiods.
Now, Marissa, can you comment onthe psychological?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
impact of younger kids going through puberty.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, um sohonestly, no matter what decade
you were born in, middle schoolis a bitch.
Can we all agree to that?
yeah middle school is definitelyworse than high school because
at least in high school peoplehas as virginia has uh described
to me while discussing thepodcast they've leveled out a
bit, they're not so hard andthey want you to see you die
(15:57):
right, we understandconsequences a bit a bit, not
completely, but yeah, I willagree, my middle school
experience was definitely worsethan my high school experience.
There's a lot going on duringmiddle school Puberty, yes, but
I will say with clients in thepast that I have seen, middle
school is hard psychologically,it's mentally, physically, just
(16:20):
everything's overwhelming.
Unfortunately, nowadays we areexperienced, as we've talked in
other podcasts social medianever, seen before?
have we been exposed to non-stopbullying?
Yeah, you may have been bulliedin school, but at least before
generations you've been able togo home, unplug, get a
separation.
There's a reason why,unfortunately, suicide is on the
(16:40):
rise and how about?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
this is uh, I think every woman can look back and
reflect on this moment.
So either you were the earlybloomer in middle school or you
were the never bloomer in middleschool and actually want to be
to this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know early bloomer in middle school.
Actually one of each in thisfamily.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I know Early bloomer Never a bloomer Late, not never
Late.
Not in middle school.
Late, late, yeah, very late.
So you can completely see theopposite sides of the pendulum.
Marissa, if you get boobs firstor second or third in middle
school, everyone's like smut,let me see your tits.
You can't escape it.
Okay now if you never get boobsin middle school, flat as a
(17:17):
plank of wood, like we're just aman, like yeah, I'm sorry, so
what am I supposed to be then?
It's either one or the other.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
you know, what's funny is depending on who you
interacted with, for when I washitting um that stage, it was
either like, yes, you got theseboobs before everyone else, or I
had a sect of men saying you,you're just fat, that's gross.
It was in between because, aswe know, as women, when you
first get your boobs, they arelike a certain shape right,
(17:44):
mosquito bite Okay.
I can't talk for everyone, butwhen mine came in they were
almost like triangular in ashape.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They are.
They're called breast bugs.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes, and maybe they didn't stand out as much.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, they're called breast buds.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They're just little fat pads, because I definitely
had the fat pad that we were alltalking about.
That comes on before puke.
I know I did and unfortunately,because of that, and if you
have mosquito bites, as theycall them, and my boobs don't
stick out farther than mystomach, I was considered like a
cat.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right, yes, also.
How weird is it so all theseterms?
Like I dropped Tic Tacs down myshirt, I had a mosquito bite,
they all came from like ourparents and our parents' friends
, right, have they not?
So I?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
have learned that kids only learn things from what
they hear or see, Whether it'smedia or their parents.
They're not bored and they'relike mosquito bite.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They don't know that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So if any child repeated that to me, they had to
have heard it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay.
So I always heard that, oh, youdropped tic tacs down your
shirt because I literally onlyhad nipples until I was very old
, so I'm just gonna be candidwith you guys.
I didn't have puberty until Iwas almost five, uh, 15 so I was
six months shy of my 15.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You hit it at 15, I hit it at 11.
Very different, very yes now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So, uh, anyone who's like medically based like you
know that 15 is actually likekind of the cutoff.
15 if you have other symptoms.
16, um no sorry.
15 if you have no othersymptoms like I did have other
things leading to puberty, so Iwas fine 16 if you have other
symptoms, so I was fine if youknow bridget in real life
listening to us, you understandwhy she hit the end of the cusp.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
She was very thin I was real thin.
I had no, not enough thoughtjerry was not feeding her.
Yes, you could see her kneebones, so bad that you were like
are you eating?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
yes, no, yes, please, please donate one dollar per
month to a starving child.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, that's true and I had the extra store facts.
So I hit the early.
Yeah, I hit the early range.
I I think if she had hadanother girl it might have been
in the middle, because michaelseems like he was in middle of
us.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was Jerry and I were very similar.
Jerry was 14 when she wentthrough puberty, and I was 14
and a half, so I was 11.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So Jerry does very much resemble you the most.
Yeah, the only time I would sayI ever looked like her is.
I saw a photo of her at a fieldhockey one time and I she
showed me a picture.
She had dark eyeliner on thebottoms and I probably shouldn't
be comparing this because thisis like a makeup trick, but
whatever, I also in high schoolwore dark eyeliner for chicken
to test and my friends and Iremember saying field hockey,
(20:05):
dark eyeliner, marissa andcheerleading dark eyeliner.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh my god, we are twins.
I just it's funny becauseyou're taking the most
vulnerable of a population.
We're taking young girls whoare maybe eight, nine, ten years
old and we're.
We're putting on these labelslike oh, she's got mosquito
bites or she's an early bloomer.
We are sexualizing children.
At the end of the day, do youthink the girl who's 13 and woke
(20:29):
up with c-cups is like yay?
No, she's like holy fuckingshit, what happened to my shirt
overnight?
You know what I mean, and Iactually remember.
I mean not to call people out.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, that's not my mind, we'll do it after you.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I have a very good friend I'm not going to name any
names.
I have a very good friend whoI've been friends with basically
my whole life, since elementaryschool, and she did go through
puberty I wouldn't say early,average age, but she was like
one of the first bloomers in ourclass and our people around us,
adults around us did mention ohshe, you know, she carries
(21:07):
herself a certain way, so she'salways looking for male
attention and I remember sayingthank god, what do you mean?
Like, I love this girl, she'smy best friend, we sleep over
time.
What are you talking about?
And this adult who was in mylife frequently, um, said oh, no
, no, the way, you know, sheshakes her hips.
Now that I'm an adult and Ilook back on that the way, quote
(21:28):
, she shakes her hips, it'sbecause she went through puberty
and that's just how she beganto walk.
When you grow up with, all of asudden you literally marcel
right, you wake up and you goholy.
Who's butts in my pants?
Whose ass?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
is that also, god forbid.
A girl has confidence.
What the fuck she hadconfidence, true, but like why
are we shaming her?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
but also, it was literally the only way she could
walk with her body shape.
Yes, she was not going aroundlike sachet, sachet, oh wait,
okay, sachet.
Oh wait, okay, queen, she wasnot doing that, she was just
walking at, I want to say, 12 or13.
She woke up with hips overnight, as puberty kind of happens,
and this adult in my life waslike I don't think you should be
(22:08):
friends with her.
She carries herself a certainway and I was like, and I was
like I was 12 and I was likethis is wrong.
I'm sorry, like whatever you'resaying is wrong.
I know this girl.
I've known this girl since wewere like nine.
You're wrong.
This is wrong.
She hit puberty and you need toget the F over it and I think
about that all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Meant to be adopted From the get-go.
I hit puberty actually At aninteresting time.
I'll share a story with all ofour viewers.
Me and my sister went to CampLobegan for two weeks Camp.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Lobegan, which was a sleep-away camp.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So my parents didn't see both of us for two weeks.
During those two weeks for menot my sister was the summer
that I already had hit mypuberty.
So I obviously hit it at 11 andI hit it in like April or May,
if I can remember correctly.
So this was the summer of that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So I was still 11.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Interesting enough, I loved all the girls I bunked
with, but I will say, because wewere all kind of in that same,
hitting the puberty or not, weall started judging each other
because some girls came with avery big, like full c cup and I
came with my mosquito bites, butalready had my period.
Some girls had not hit theirperiod yet some girls just had
like what they call like nippleand skin, which was like it was
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there but not like some girlshad not hit their period.
now, all of us were in thiscabin and we were all trying to
be best friends, and I don'teven mean to say that like we
were forced to, like we allactually got along very well.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Your cabin did get along.
I remember you guys were vibingmuch more than we were.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We actually really liked each other, although, I
will say, five girls out of the10 in the cabin were from the
same school and whatever.
So half the cabin already kneweach other but from the same
school and whatever.
So half the cabin already kneweach other.
But we all got along reallywell.
Yeah, we were all at differentpuberty ages of when we hit our
period.
Our group sizes were alldifferent, but what I do
remember is that we were alltaught incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So no matter what size we were.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was okay to praise the girls that were just woke
up with these C or Ds and if youhad mosquito bites or less or
what we called back then asimmature middle schoolers like,
oh, you had some skin, whichmeans we hoped your boobs came
in, but they were like weirdlooking and were still growing,
as we we used to say, and wewere all just like, oh my God,
like what's wrong with yourboobs, what are they going?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
to grow in Like oh my God, what are they going to
grow in?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, like what's wrong with them?
Oh my, oh, my God, why aren'tthey C's or D's?
And we were like first of allevery woman genetically isn't
meant to be a C or a D, Becausewhen I did fully grow in I was a
B and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I was fully pregnant, still not a C, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Now, after having kids, I am much bigger, but
before I had kids, I was a B anda half my whole life Before
Jack, my first son, a B and ahalf bigger, obviously, but that
was not the case beforechildren.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm sorry, I'm a baby .
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I'm always been more fit sister.
I know I'm no movies.
It's just interesting that,like you, threw all these girls
going through puberty in a cabin, yeah, and unspent, unbeknownst
to them, there are cabinleaders and people in charge.
We're all looking at eachother's bodies, judging each
other, saying what's right,what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
None of us are medical doctors.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
None of us have even graduated eighth grade yet here
we are like wrong, yeah, right,wrong, right.
All of us are wrong.
All of us are wrong.
Yeah, the doctor is eating hertagine, but she will come out,
I'm eating tagine.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
um, I do love that about, uh, childhood.
Is that, for some reason, youassume like you're gonna grow
into?
I'm doing air quotes right now.
You're gonna grow into this,you're gonna grow into your nose
, you're gonna grow into yourears, you're going to your boobs
you're going to your hips,jerry gator, what, what, what?
Her nose?
Are you talking about her nose?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
it looks great on, yeah, okay and photographs.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, love it like why is it always like you're
gonna grow into this, you'regonna grow into that?
I so?
I truly again, because I wentto a catholic school.
They don't really teach youmuch about yeah, we both
menstruation.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry we went to a catholic
school.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
They don't teach you much about menstruation other
than like you're gonna bleedsinner.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
First of all, I'm cracking up.
But, uh, in order not to nothave sex me and bridget were
actually talking about thisrecently they like thought show
you a slideshow of stds, or it'sgood enough, but all you need
to do was put on a loop of acrying newborn 24 7.
I promise you I never wouldhave had a kid tall baby, the
same torture that they use ingitmo.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
By the way, they did that in guantanamo bay they play
loops of babies crying.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
That would scare you off of scary you didn't need to
show me an std.
You want to know why?
Because all their mistake wasalways showing me these penises.
True, and I'm like my problem,I got a regime.
Yeah, that's a good point,don't care now.
If you Now, if you on a loop,you were like listen for a whole
week nonstop.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm sending you home.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You must listen to this CD.
Fact, that CD on your CD.
Yeah, listen to nonstop babiescrying, I would have fucking
lost it Now.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Picture this You're 19.
You have no dad in the picture.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's just you and the when I've dropped out of high
school and joined a union I'venever.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm not even.
She's not qualified to join aunion, but she'll join one I
would have.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Listen, I'm very attracted to men, but I would
have been a lesbian.
I would have been a fuckinglesbian.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
A me-lesbian?
She would have been ame-lesbian.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
A millennial lesbian.
That's what you said, am Iwrong?
I'm a millennial lesbian.
Listen, listen, bitch On the.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Rocks Sponsored Sponsored by On the Rocks.
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We're just going to make it till you make it On the
Rocks, sponsored by On the Rocks, clank Ready.
Anyway, versus a lesbian, Iabsolutely would have been a
lesbian, but not the lesbian.
That's like let's have a family, no, let's have dogs, let's
have a farm with dogs, cats,parrots, parakeets.
I don't give a shit.
We would have taken in all theanimals that were abused.
(27:50):
We would have done it.
You would never have had it.
I love Jack and Evelyn.
Thank God they're here and theynever did this to us.
But if you had, done that to meon a loop for even two days not
even a week, two days, Jack andEvelyn would never have existed.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I know, Never it.
It's so true.
The crying baby is hilarious.
And then I only watched a movietwo weeks ago that said they
actually did that.
I'm not just saying this is atrue thing.
In Guantanamo Bay they wouldplay a crying newborn over and
over and I'm like that, totallytracks, Like that would make you
go crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It tracks because any mother with their hormones and
trying to heal would goliterally insane.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's a horrible noise , but what I was saying is the
whole you're going to grow intothis mentality.
I am 30 and I still have eightcups.
There is no like you're goingto grow into it and it's
actually really, I would say,damaging Cause.
I think I was like 18.
(28:48):
I was maybe a little dumb dumb.
I was about 18 when I was likeso, mom, like when am I going.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I know we're laughing , but like on the rocks.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But when are my boobs coming in?
And my mom was like girl,you're 18.
Give up the dream.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Like this is it?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So I think it's just like a very damaging mentality.
You'd be like oh, you're goingto grow into it, you're going to
grow into this, you're going togrow into that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
When sometimes it's like is your body?
It is, you are an eight cup.
Accept it, queen.
Well, okay.
So genetically, if we're goinginto genetics and history, we
are both half italian, halfirish, correct full american,
but yes, I don't care what youare, we're full america.
I keep telling my kids what weare because we're like a mix at
this point.
But john's like, tell themwe're american, I mean we are
typical marine, so the marine I.
I mean not to knock them.
I appreciate all they've donefor my husband and all the
(29:39):
benefits, but every time I dotell him, like what are you?
I only found out from hisfamily because, when I asked him
, he goes American.
I'm like that's not real,because your family has said
Irish, german and Polish, butokay, american.
He doesn't say America, he goesAmerica.
I'm like, okay, you're clearlyindoctrinated.
Again, love, you guys havegiven us the greatest benefits,
(30:00):
although, okay, if we're talkingabout this, which is another
segment, can we do better on?
homeless veterans at least inNew Jersey alone.
And yeah, we can Philadelphiaridiculous.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Right, we can dive in next episode next episode.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But is that not ridiculous?
You can agree to that nowridiculous right, yeah
absolutely.
They've given their life forthis country for a minimum of
four years definitely more someof them, but a minimum of four.
And you're saying like, oh well, after you get out, be homeless
, okay, I could go on for likeeight hours.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's no three drinks in no, no, I would do.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I am passionate, no matter what, because the man I
love has been a marine and we'llgo on.
I won't even say the bad wordCurse you Next episode, anyway.
So anyway.
What were you talking aboutbefore I got so heated?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
About being Irish, polish.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
German.
Genetic, genetic Thank youSorry On the rocks, Blue
Hawaiian this time.
Anyway, the point is is thatbecause of that and because of
the definitely dietary needs ofBridget and I growing up, we had
to create different things.
We did grow up more Bridget.
I would say more Irish and fit,and I was Italian and curvy.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She's a Sophia Loren.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Curvy, love my cheese and carbs and pasta and all
that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It is a lot of genetics.
It's a lot of genetics.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
But because of that I I know, now that we grew up to
be therapists and doctors, thatwhat we were doing in middle
school was so toxic and negative.
There was no ill intent, illwill, whatever it's called.
We were going off of our peersand how they made us feel, and
the worst is like back thensocial media wasn't a big thing,
(31:38):
but I remember magazines were,yeah, and there was like teen
teen voo cosmo girl.
Yeah, and if you were in like astick, you were a fan but heroin
cheek was very in when we werecoming of age.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So early 2000s it was heroin cheek, which everyone
our age knows that term ifyou're a little bit older you
probably never heard heroin,heroin cheek.
It basically refers to the termin the early 2000s when if you
were underweight to the pointwhere you looked emaciated, that
was the goal.
So you wanted your hip bones topop, you wanted your
collarbones to pop, yourshoulders, everything you wanted
(32:10):
, the bonier the better, andit's almost to the point where
it actually looked like you wereunderfed because that's what
you wanted.
If you wanted to reach thepoint of beauty and wealth where
you were so wealthy that youcould purposefully not eat that
you looked like a unfortunatelya dry addict.
So heroin cheek is which I'veheard.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Bad news is coming back but I heard that too, okay.
So here's the thing Even ifthat was in style and every
single woman on this planetsubscribed to that, it's
impossible for every singlewoman, because some women have
more hips than others.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yes, yes, no, you can never achieve the same goals.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Listen, even at my thinnest and Bridget's thinnest.
Bridget looked like shebelonged in Africa and you were
donating to her, I did.
And I still looked what youwould call a normal skinny Even
at my skinny has never achievedmodel skinny because my hips
never allowed it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's true, they still lie.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Even when I was super skinny, I was still.
They called me normal.
We have a different body shape,normal, and you know what?
Let's pretend that we're, eventhough though we are, but people
like to be stupid because oftrends.
Let's pretend that we'reeducated.
Right, it doesn't work foreverybody.
Even if I get the skinniest Ican get, and so does bridget,
(33:25):
she will always be skinnier thanme because she's always taller
than me and doesn't have thehips, this physical.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
The illusion is that I'm thinner because I have a
taller body.
I'm'm five three and a half,I'm five seven.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So the height is very different and I have Italian
hips and you have Irish hips.
I love them.
Now, I don't mean this in anegative way, but they're
non-existent.
You have model legs Model.
That should be a compliment.
I don't have model legsDifferent pelvis shape.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
For anyone medical listening, it's a different
pelvis shape.
The android pelvis, theanthropophilus are different
pelvis shapes.
Um, they usually for women theycome in three different shapes.
For men they come in one.
Um, sometimes women can havethe male shape as well.
Um, and when you see a skeleton, like a bear skeleton, it's
super obvious.
When you see a human with fatand muscle, it's more difficult
to tell.
Um, I only really have to knowthis because childbirth.
(34:20):
The study had used data frommore than 7,500 children aged 9
to 14 enrolled in the Growing UpToday study, g-u-t-s GUTs.
So researchers surveyed thekids in 1996 and 2004 and then
followed up with them in 2001and 2008, respectively.
So they measured diet in twoways the Alternative Healthy
(34:44):
Eating Index, which rates foodsand nutrients that predict
chronic disease, and theEmpirical Dietary Inflammatory
Pattern, which is a dietaryindex that can assess a diet's
ability to affect chronicinflammation index that can
assess a diet's ability toaffect chronic inflammation.
And they use these statisticalmodels to evaluate the
(35:04):
connection between the qualityof diet and the age at which
menstruation started.
Eating a healthy diet in latechildhood and early adolescence
is associated with girls havinga later first period compared
with those consuming a lesshealthy diet.
Importantly, this associationwas not explained by the impact
of diet on body size.
So the previous understandingwas that overeating high calorie
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foods may impact earlymenstruation because the
accumulation of body fat signalshormones to initiate puberty.
But the connection is thereeven if you account for body
mass index or BMI.
So childhood obesity was likelynot the only factor influencing
connection between earlymenstruation and diet.
Another factor related tounhealthy or inflammatory eating
(35:48):
must be contributing.
So you know environmentalfactors influence the age at
which menstruation starts,including being exposed to high
levels of air pollution, whichin the Northeast we have.
You know we're chock full of andpersonal care products and
hormone disruptors.
You know lotions, soaps, etcetera.
It's difficult to eliminateyour own or your child's
exposure to endocrine disruptingchemicals and there isn't clear
(36:11):
labeling requirements,especially by the FDA, which we
know Um.
So but you can use, likeskinsafeproductscom or, um Skin
Deep, they will tell you the uh.
Basically they give you a green, yellow or red ranking on your
soaps, your deodorants, yourshampoos, your lotions, etc.
Um where where your productranks with hormone disrupting
(36:33):
abilities, which is important toknow.
Where your product ranks withhormone disrupting abilities
which is important to know.
Absolutely so.
Yeah, in this study,researchers assessed healthy
diets, people who had fruits,veg, healthy fats, whole grains,
nuts and legumes, and thenpeople who had what you would
(36:58):
say inflammatory diet, which isred and processed meats, refined
grains, sugar, sweetenedbeverages, which is soda for
juice and diet soft drinks, andthat is what they use.
Our findings highlight the needfor all children and
adolescents to have access tohealthy meal options and the
importance of school-basedbreakfast and lunches, including
based on evidence-basedguidelines, which is really
important.
Ultra ultra-processed foods are70% of a typical teenager's
intake 70%.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Wow, yeah, that's crazy, very crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So the average American teenager is consuming
70% of their dietultra-processed.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Now we wonder why 7 to 8-year-olds are having
periods.
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's very important which segues into Okay, so we're
getting into Judy Blume, whichI promised you in the beginning,
the Judy Blume carrot dangling,so New Jersey native.
A lot of her books are actuallybased in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
We all know.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Judy Blume.
We all love Judy Blume,especially if you're a girl who
came of age any time Idefinitely had to read this
growing up.
Yeah, it's uh.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
it's me, god are you there, god?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
it's me margaret, jeannie, um blubber.
What is it called blubber?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
yeah, yeah she brought it over here, she would
label all I know it's a great.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
She's a great author.
Like I said, she's anoctogenarian now and she's in
the new jersey hall of fame.
She actually has um on theinterstate 95.
She has a rest stop named afterher.
So she uh, currently on netflixis called forever.
It is a I think it's a limitedseries.
It's based on judy bloom's uhrevolutionary book at the time
(38:27):
and I think it was 1975 or it'sset in 1975, new jersey.
So let's talk about bannedbooks.
So forever, uh, and many of herbooks judy bloom said she
actually wrote for her owndaughter, who is a pre-teen at
the time, who said I want toread books about me and make me
feel good and nobody dies, whichis funny.
(38:50):
So basically she wanted a bookabout teenagers who would maybe
fall in love, enjoy themselvesGod forbid and not die no
consequences for just falling inlove, which is what we should
have.
So Judy Blume started writingand Forever is a story about
this.
This is her story, her novel,not the Netflix series.
(39:12):
I'll tell you about the Netflixseries in a second.
So the novel, which is based inmid to late seventies New Jersey
, is about high school seniors.
Now we're talking about 17 to18 year olds who meet at a New
Year's Eve party and end updating.
And when they are they'redating, they're happy, they're
in love.
It's very consensualrelationship.
They have fun, they fool around, they explore their own
(39:35):
sexuality completely consensual,as I mentioned, towards the end
of their senior year.
So now we're assuming they're18 years old, they are adults
who love each other and chooseto be together.
They also are safe and theyhave sex.
So that's how the book ends.
So in the 70s, mothers and andstates went wild, especially
(39:58):
Pennsylvania and Ohio.
They banned this book.
They banned it.
They banned it left, right,center, it was banned everywhere
.
And someone actually said acongressman, of course it was a
man actually said, quote girlsshould not read about
menstruation.
In relation to other books thatJudy Blume wrote, I think that
(40:19):
was about it's Me, god, are youthere?
It's Me, margaret, are youthere, god?
I think that was what he wastalking about.
So, quote girls should not readabout menstruation.
So how are we supposed to learnabout it If you can't read
about it?
What do you hear about itthrough your grandma and your
mother?
Great, so they have informationthat was passed down from their
(40:41):
grandmother and their motherswhich they weren't allowed to
read about, so you're gettingfalse information.
Hearsay, as a lawyer woulddescribe it.
Um, because you shouldn't bereading about it.
Something that is going throughyou at the time, it's happening
to you, it's, you know, anatural process, but, quote,
girls should not be readingabout it so I know so judy
bloom's book, one of many, as Isaid.
Uh, it's me, margaret, are youthere?
God, dini and um forever.
(41:03):
We're all completely banned,but we're available through,
like the american library,whatever you know.
Um, so forever.
The netflix series is um,modern, just modernized.
It's a couple from la, it's outof new jersey, um, and I think
the premise still remains wherethey are in love and they are
young.
It's a young couple and theydecide to be intimate with each
(41:24):
other.
Um, another quote.
I read this this morning soit's fresh in my head.
A mother, I think in ohio,about forever in the 70s, said I
would rather my child readpornography because then at
least she learns theconsequences.
Where in the book forever theyhave sex and they're happy and
the book ends and she doesn'twant the daughter to be happy
(41:47):
and know that there's a happyending.
18 year olds, by the way.
18 year olds having aconsensual loving relationship,
choosing each other to engage insexual activity, lose their
virginities and parents were sounhappy well, I mean, as someone
who has loved history but alsobecame a therapist, I can, I can
attest to.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I mean a woman should be happy in the home, happy
serving, happy as a mother,happy as a wife.
You have freedom to choose.
Maybe, as they call the lonely,what is it?
Lonely boy?
Uh, global, whatever globalproblem that it is on tiktok,
the lonely boy.
(42:26):
Right now, what's going on?
Is the lonely boy global issueor lonely boy something?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
in selves?
Are we using it on the term forthemselves?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
they are themselves, but that's not what we're using.
Again, I'm a little too old tokeep up with the complete term,
but I know that the beginning ofthe term is lonely boy.
What is it called?
Pandemic epidemic, whatever?
Honestly, don't fucking know,because I'm married and happy
and don't keep up with this, butI will say that this could end
this pandemic epidemic, whateveryou want to call it, this
(42:59):
lonely boy issue, if you justbecame like a real good person.
If you're looking for a slave,just say that.
But if you want a partner inlife, then this lonely boy thing
will be a problem.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
What came to mind with reading real people quote
saying I'd rather my child readpornography than fucking forever
in 1975 is um have, I mean, noone says this anymore, it's just
ironically.
But can't turn a housewife intohoe, marissa, I mean a hoe into
a housewife.
I said that part doesn't turngood.
Marissa's living proof that youcan in fact take a hoe and turn
(43:32):
her into a housewife I'm gonnatake one for the team right now,
guys.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Okay, all my friends get a test right now.
Sorry, mom, you're about tohear right now all the times
that I've lied to you, but I wasin fact a hoe, and now she's a
housewife?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
No, she works.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I could have been If my husband had told me, I could
be, we'd live a mediocre life.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
She has kids.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
She's happy, Listen guys.
Okay, so every friend group hasthe promiscuous friend.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I was the promiscuous friend.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Promiscuous girl.
Okay, listen, girl, boy, wedon't need a lawsuit, bridget, I
know, anyway.
So basically I was that friend.
I was always the promiscuousgirl.
I always did the crazy bullshitshit like cliff jumping for
some people right, bullshit,shit.
I'm not saying that a cliff jump, but like if you can think
(44:18):
about, like okay, we have agroup, a friend group, and then,
like the person who was readyto cliff jump, that was me right
, like I just did crazy shit.
I did whatever the fuck Iwanted.
You want to know why I didwhatever the fuck I wanted?
This is so bad.
Our jerry's gonna kill us.
It's because she, she was smartenough to put us on birth
control early, but that just waslike a pass anyway, so that's
what I did, oh, my god, ourrelatives are listening to this.
They're gonna die.
We're gonna have to go to somany funerals because of this
(44:41):
marissa.
I mean, I mean, they're gonnacroak.
This is they don't see me likethis.
I was the shy older kidpromiscuous, but shy older kid
anyway so, um, basically, wheredid we go on this topic?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I honestly, I I don't know where we're going.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Why did I expose myself like this?
Why are we talking about this?
I am on the rocks, fuckingdrunk.
Why are we talking about this?
Should I cut this out?
Why did I just expose myself?
Tell me, bridget, is this yourplan?
You want to fuck me over?
Tell me, bridget, you want tofuck your plan.
You wanna fuck me over?
Tell me, bridget, you wannafuck on me, you wanna fuck on?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
me.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Wait, what were we I literally am shocked by this.
Good question.
You're not even the drunk one.
Why are we talking about this?
Fuck, oh, I actually just can'tturn a-.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh, you can't turn a hoe into housewives.
Okay, I'm here to tell youright now you absolutely can the
point is shout out to all thehoes who became housewives this
Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Fuck you, bridget.
I love you, but right now, fuckyou.
I wish you nothing but the bestin life.
Anyway, theo's amazing.
I love Theo.
He can come anytime Bridgetcannot visit, alright, Well,
listen, I love Theo.
He can come anytime.
Bridget cannot visit, all right, well, listen.
We've had quite a long podcast.
(46:03):
Actually, today is like I know.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We're going to wrap it up.
Anyway, as always, bridget'samazing.
She's done all the research andI've just collaborated.
Shout out to Bridget Melton.
Woo-hoo, dr Bridget.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Melton.
Thank you guys so much forlistening, even if you're not
listening and I'm speaking intoan echo chamber into the void.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Our favorite listener , tracy rankle thank you so much
, everybody for tuning in um.
This has been psychotic.
Posey, please follow us, wereally need money.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
We're poor.
Thank you, love you Bye.
Hello, welcome back to Psychotic PY Podcast.
This is episode 5.
It is past Mother's Day at thispoint, and even Cinco de Mayo.
It is actually the 13th that weare recording Sad news.
Bridget leads the 19th, so weare really close to her
departure, please let her stayplease.
Anyway, taking it away for thisepisode, she'll introduce the
(00:27):
topic bridget hi everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes, my last week here, um, I hope everyone had an
amazing mother's day.
Whether you have been a motheronce, twice previously,
currently mother, yeah,miscarrying, um, anything
honestly looking for, lookingfor surrogacy, trying to become
a mother if you're a mother,become a mother.
If you're a mother and you hateit, if you're a mother and you
love it, adopted, adopted.
(00:50):
If you're a mother of any kind,if you've ever a stepmom, yes,
if you've ever felt like amother, you're a mother.
Sorry, that's our vocal in thebackground Until she leaves.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We have a guest star of Theo.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But we hope everyone had an amazing Mother's's day,
even if you were celebratingother people, celebrating
yourself, celebrating people youlove, people you hate.
No, mothers can be grating, yes, but uh, hopefully everyone had
an amazing weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
The weather was definitely out so we recently
walked with my mom's friend,vickyicky.
Love you, vicky.
What was it like for 5.1 miles?
It was so beautiful.
You know she lives in a beachtown Beautiful.
You know place to live and beable to walk to the main street
and the beach.
We got very lucky.
Good day.
We got Theo a hat Adorable, hadto prevent a summer.
(01:39):
He's Irish and English, okayyeah.
Yes, he's irish and english okayyeah, yes, an american, an
american, but, but we're alsoirish.
So um, very pale skin, blueeyes like kid.
Um, we we must have wore himout sitting in the carriage all
day, because he slept foreverfor virgin he slept about 14
hours.
We were worried about beingable to record today because he
(01:59):
was just such a perfect wewouldn't wake up, he would not
wake up, we were like are youalive?
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Even dexter wants please giveus booze, okay okay, so today's
topic is judy bloom heavy.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's all about menstruation and puberty.
We're really excited becauseboth of us went through puberty.
Unfortunately also shout outjudy bloom, new jersey.
Um, uh, what do you call thething?
Hall of fame, new jersey native.
Um, a lot of her books actuallytake place in new jersey.
She's great.
She's an octogenarian now.
I don't know exactly how old,but I know she's in her 80s and
(03:21):
so she's relevant because we'retalking about puberty and we are
specifically mentioning umwe're gonna talk about this as
well is her new series onnetflix is based off her book
forever.
Um, she is an executiveproducer on it.
Um, so she talks about um.
How much it, you know, changedthings for her daughter, and
we'll dive into it.
So shout out judy bloom, shoutout new jersey, shout out
(03:43):
puberty.
So so the first thing we'retalking about is a CNN article
that was just posted.
Actually, it was updated today,tuesday, may 13th, that's today
.
So the headline in CNN healthis early periods are a problem
and what your kid eats may makean impact.
Studies suggest so dialing wayback to, let's say, late 90s,
(04:07):
early 2000s, when we did noticethat there was an earlier period
progression, for girlsspecifically.
So average period for men,that's hard period, lol.
Puberty there is a myriad,though there's a male period.
Anyway, the average age ofpuberty for boys was still 9 to
11 years old, and that's thestart of puberty.
(04:27):
When doctors say average age ofpuberty, we don't mean like
they're done, like you're, not11, ready to be like Everyone's
different, we learned even fromgrowing up, our friends had it
in different years, right yeah,very different.
But when we say average age,that means the start.
So for 9 to 11, for boys, 8 sayaverage age.
That means the start.
Yeah, so for nine to 11 forboys, eight to 12 for girls,
(04:50):
eight.
Now you're saying, holy shnikes, that's really young, it is so
back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, itwas not that age, however.
Nowadays it's eight to 12.
So let's dive into that.
So way back when in the 80s,90s, 2000s, when we were
learning holy shnnikes, it'sgetting really early, um, it was
.
We were linking it to, um,childhood obesity.
Now that is because obesity, uh, fat and estrogen are besties.
(05:12):
We've talked about this,definitely on our podcast before
.
Estrogen is fat that lovesestrogen.
So extra estrogen is stored inyour fat as something called
estrone.
It's still an hormone.
So if you are a slightlypudgier little girl, let's say
festive jolly, who knows thislarger body?
You know which a lot of younggirls are.
(05:33):
Because let me get back to this, hold on, I have too many
things I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We're going to yeah there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, puberty is an exciting topic.
Um, so if you have that extrafat stores in your thighs and
belly, which is where it'sexpected to be, you have more
estrogen stores.
Now, if you have higher levelsof estrogen at the age of eight
or nine, you will kickstartpuberty.
So they thought, okay, it'sobviously because kids are
(05:58):
heavier.
Now new research suggeststhat's not true and that it
actually is diet dependent,independent of your BMI.
Um, now, what I was going to sayis how to get back to it is
girls this is very typical younggirls specifically put on what
you call like baby fat, puppyfat, right before puberty,
(06:19):
because you need that to helplaunch your estrogen into
puberty.
So if you have a daughter rightnow and she's eight, nine, 10,
11, and all of a sudden younotice, oh, she's gaining a
little bit of weight, that isnormal, and the worst thing you
can do biologically is put heron a diet at this age, you will
set her up for cardiovasculardisease, diabetes, obviously low
(06:41):
self-esteem and yo-yo dieting.
The best thing for you to do iscompletely ignore it and
acknowledge that.
This is biology.
She needs that fat to get herthrough puberty and when she
turns, you know, 14, 15, 16.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
She's going to grow taller, thin out, and that's it
I'm not even a doctor and I haveseen this in my own practice
with um, if I meet with younggirls or their mothers and like
that is their concern.
But but yet the key is, asRegina said, it has only come on
right before they're about tostart puberty.
They will thin out, they'regoing to shoot up, they will get
rid of it.
Please do not make them feelanything less than that they are
(07:17):
.
Don't bring attention to it.
The best thing you can do iskeep going on every day Like
nothing has ever changed, justlike your boys get hungry before
puberty.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's how you know your boys are growing.
All of a sudden you're like myfridge literally cannot be
stocked.
We girls need that too.
Why are we saying like it'sokay for boys to eat you out of
house and home and you go brokein a day?
Girls need that same.
Like grace, like girls are alsohungry because their bodies are
changing.
And just because they don'tgrow three inches overnight,
like like your son maybe did,they're still growing massively
(07:46):
Also correct me if I'm wrong,but don't women biologically
from back in the caveman days?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
we have an extra layer of fat in our thighs, 30%
more.
There's a reason for it becausewhile they were the hunters, we
were the gatherers and weneeded it.
It's normal we need it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Stop pushing away from it.
Women carry 30% more fat on onaverage, especially in the
thighs and midsection.
A lot of that had to do withwaiting in water, so when you
waited in cold water, you neededthe fat to insulate you and
keep you warm.
Also, obviously, you need fatbecause, like I said, estrogen
and fat are besties.
If women are carrying babies,you need estrogen to have a
normal period, to carry apregnancy, etc.
(08:22):
So you need to kind of freeyourself.
The most freeing thing is tosay I'm going to forever now
intertwine estrogen, which is agood thing.
You need that when you dropyour menopause.
I'm going to forever link fatand estrogen together and
instead stop trying to be likeI'm going to drop all my fat.
I need to lose all my fat.
(08:42):
If you lose all your fat, youwill lose your estrogen.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They don't call them birthing hips for nothing,
ladies and gentlemen.
There's a reason why people menmay look at you like, wow,
you've got good birthing hips.
Women, I like you.
There's a reason.
I mean, it might beinappropriate at times, but
there's a reason.
They say that it's true makingyoung girls specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean, listen, if you're an adult and you want to
feel however you want as aboutyour body, you're an adult, you
make your own decisions.
It upsets me because I feel sad, but if you want to feel
however type of way about yourbody, that's completely your
choice.
But do not please ever put thatmindset on a young girl who's
about to go through pubertywhich, as young girls know,
anyone who's ever met a girlbefore is like in such a
(09:26):
tumultuous time, and the worstthing is then to have, like your
mom, be like oh, by the way,you're fat and you're like, oh,
my god, yes, could this getworse?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
what I mean I've learned we're gonna generalize
it here because I don't want to,you know.
Just like, single anybody outbecause this is definitely a
community experience, at leastfrom our age and and older.
I know we're doing better nowafter, like our kids are
definitely going to grow up in abetter, wholesome mental health
environment, but before ourkids, our generation and up,
(09:55):
like experienced like thosespecial k moms and my god,
almond diet moms, and you knowwhat I'm talking about right
special k literally was likehere's a diet, just eat our
cereal.
No nutrition cereal, three timestheir whole premise was either
you eat a cereal or a cereal barand you.
I'm not saying it didn't work,it probably did because carbs
only.
Yeah, starving yourself, butwas it healthy and did you get
(10:18):
the vitamins you needed everyday?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
there's no protein in cereal no, you, you would.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Definitely you would lose the weight, were you
healthy?
No, and we now know, as we havebecome more educated through
time, that just because you'reskinny doesn't mean you're
healthy, does not mean you'rehealthy Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
As we talked about in season one with our friend
Annie, who's a dietician, yourbody size and your health are
not inextricably linked.
You can be a larger body personand have numbers that are
showing you're very healthy,you've got great protein intake,
your lipids are in check.
Why do we all automaticallyassume, oh, she's bigger body,
so she's unhealthy?
It's not true.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's the way society has made us feel and as again,
thank you for mentioning Annie.
We'd love to plug her Annie's ato Z wellness.
A to Z wellness.
I just want you registereddietitian registered, registered
dietitian.
But I want everybody to knowbecause they maybe they don't
she is covered by insurance, soshe has got you covered.
I don't want you to be likewell, I would love to meet with
(11:16):
her but I can't afford it.
You can, if you can afford alow copay, you can afford Annie
and honestly I think she's thebest around right, best we know.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Annie Zappula A to Z Wellness.
Look her up guys.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So Diving more into the CNN study.
So what we found was eating amore inflammatory diet is
associated with a 15% greaterchance of kids having their
first period in the next month,whereas a healthier diet reduced
this risk by 8%, according tothe Journal of Human
(11:54):
Reproduction.
Now you might be saying what isa higher inflammatory diet?
It's linked withultra-processed foods.
So processed foods, I get it.
We live in a modern world,we're all on the go.
It might be hard to avoid these.
Ultra-processed foods refer tomore fast foods, certain deli
meats, stuff like that.
(12:15):
Ultra-processed foods can alsosometimes be called junk foods,
so the foods that your bodywouldn't naturally use for
energy and burn those caloriesnicely.
There's still obviously asource of fuel for you.
You're not going to starve byany means.
Your body will use them, butthey will not use them as
efficiently and to the maximumcapacity that your body would
use whole foods.
(12:36):
That's really the maindifference.
So an early start tomenstruation, as CNN says, isn't
just inconvenient Okay, I meanCNN, did a man write this
article Inconvenient, but it isa marker for chronic conditions.
This is very true.
So if you go into amenstruation earlier, that means
your estrogen is peakingearlier.
Now you expose yourself to morecancers.
(12:57):
This is really sad.
So the higher levels ofestrogen you have throughout
your life, estrogen can becomeeventually a carcinogen.
So you open yourself up to ahigher risk of breast cancer
lifetime a higher risk ofovarian cancer because now
you're ovulating more than youwould be and it can be very
(13:17):
dangerous, absolutely.
Also, an early first period,which is impacted by genetics.
Obviously we always look to youknow your mother.
However, she went throughpuberty and external factors is
associated with a higher risk ofbreast cancer, cardiovascular
disease and diabetes, with ahigher risk of breast cancer,
cardiovascular disease anddiabetes.
(13:38):
So it's really important toaddress these issues because we
shouldn't have maybeeight-year-olds going through
menstruation.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Correct, I will say.
As life moves on, we areplagued with this on-the-go
lifestyle.
Right, everyone has to be in amillion sports, so many parent
teacher conferences.
Mothers are more likely to benot in the home but working
right, because life is expensive.
So that does force a big partof the population into like
(14:07):
what's quick, what's easy,what's fast, what's cheap, which
tends to be fast food.
Fast food, if eaten enough, ifit's a regular part of your diet
, will make you have.
If you're a female,biologically, then you might
have an eight-year-old period,unfortunately, because the
hormones in the diet food yeahso a lot of ultra processed food
.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Let's say, let's just say, like mcdonald's, I don't
know, I'm just taking it as anexample um, please don't sue us.
I know, I know, please, wecan't afford it, we'll call it
mcdonald's also.
we have no money, so can't getblood from a stone.
Yeah, we're not monetized forthis, so meh, who cares?
You probably buy a cheaper orlower quality chicken, beef, et
(14:49):
cetera.
It might be loaded withantibiotics and hormones.
It is what it is.
That's the world we live in.
Yes, and now again, this waskind of the older way of
thinking, though.
Is that this kind of foodopened you?
up to having a period, becauseyou're getting the hormones from
the chicken, the beef, etcetera, the antibiotics from the
(15:10):
chicken, the beef, whatever.
It's hard to say chicken or theegg, because we don't do
studies on children, especiallychildren who are going through
puberty.
It can be unethical, so it'sreally really hard to determine
what exactly is making childrengo through puberty sooner.
But we can just kind of assumethat it is linked to our diet,
(15:32):
because that is a major culturalshift that has happened since.
We've recorded these earlierperiods.
Now, Marissa, can you comment onthe psychological?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
impact of younger kids going through puberty.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, um sohonestly, no matter what decade
you were born in, middle schoolis a bitch.
Can we all agree to that?
yeah middle school is definitelyworse than high school because
at least in high school peoplehas as virginia has uh described
to me while discussing thepodcast they've leveled out a
bit, they're not so hard andthey want you to see you die
(15:57):
right, we understandconsequences a bit a bit, not
completely, but yeah, I willagree, my middle school
experience was definitely worsethan my high school experience.
There's a lot going on duringmiddle school Puberty, yes, but
I will say with clients in thepast that I have seen, middle
school is hard psychologically,it's mentally, physically, just
(16:20):
everything's overwhelming.
Unfortunately, nowadays we areexperienced, as we've talked in
other podcasts social medianever, seen before?
have we been exposed to non-stopbullying?
Yeah, you may have been bulliedin school, but at least before
generations you've been able togo home, unplug, get a
separation.
There's a reason why,unfortunately, suicide is on the
(16:40):
rise and how about?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
this is uh, I think every woman can look back and
reflect on this moment.
So either you were the earlybloomer in middle school or you
were the never bloomer in middleschool and actually want to be
to this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know early bloomer in middle school.
Actually one of each in thisfamily.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I know Early bloomer Never a bloomer Late, not never
Late.
Not in middle school.
Late, late, yeah, very late.
So you can completely see theopposite sides of the pendulum.
Marissa, if you get boobs firstor second or third in middle
school, everyone's like smut,let me see your tits.
You can't escape it.
Okay now if you never get boobsin middle school, flat as a
(17:17):
plank of wood, like we're just aman, like yeah, I'm sorry, so
what am I supposed to be then?
It's either one or the other.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
you know, what's funny is depending on who you
interacted with, for when I washitting um that stage, it was
either like, yes, you got theseboobs before everyone else, or I
had a sect of men saying you,you're just fat, that's gross.
It was in between because, aswe know, as women, when you
first get your boobs, they arelike a certain shape right,
(17:44):
mosquito bite Okay.
I can't talk for everyone, butwhen mine came in they were
almost like triangular in ashape.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
They are.
They're called breast bugs.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes, and maybe they didn't stand out as much.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, they're called breast buds.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They're just little fat pads, because I definitely
had the fat pad that we were alltalking about.
That comes on before puke.
I know I did and unfortunately,because of that, and if you
have mosquito bites, as theycall them, and my boobs don't
stick out farther than mystomach, I was considered like a
cat.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right, yes, also.
How weird is it so all theseterms?
Like I dropped Tic Tacs down myshirt, I had a mosquito bite,
they all came from like ourparents and our parents' friends
, right, have they not?
So I?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
have learned that kids only learn things from what
they hear or see, Whether it'smedia or their parents.
They're not bored and they'relike mosquito bite.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They don't know that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So if any child repeated that to me, they had to
have heard it somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay.
So I always heard that, oh, youdropped tic tacs down your
shirt because I literally onlyhad nipples until I was very old
, so I'm just gonna be candidwith you guys.
I didn't have puberty until Iwas almost five, uh, 15 so I was
six months shy of my 15.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You hit it at 15, I hit it at 11.
Very different, very yes now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So, uh, anyone who's like medically based like you
know that 15 is actually likekind of the cutoff.
15 if you have other symptoms.
16, um no sorry.
15 if you have no othersymptoms like I did have other
things leading to puberty, so Iwas fine 16 if you have other
symptoms, so I was fine if youknow bridget in real life
listening to us, you understandwhy she hit the end of the cusp.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
She was very thin I was real thin.
I had no, not enough thoughtjerry was not feeding her.
Yes, you could see her kneebones, so bad that you were like
are you eating?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
yes, no, yes, please, please donate one dollar per
month to a starving child.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, that's true and I had the extra store facts.
So I hit the early.
Yeah, I hit the early range.
I I think if she had hadanother girl it might have been
in the middle, because michaelseems like he was in middle of
us.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I was Jerry and I were very similar.
Jerry was 14 when she wentthrough puberty, and I was 14
and a half, so I was 11.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So Jerry does very much resemble you the most.
Yeah, the only time I would sayI ever looked like her is.
I saw a photo of her at a fieldhockey one time and I she
showed me a picture.
She had dark eyeliner on thebottoms and I probably shouldn't
be comparing this because thisis like a makeup trick, but
whatever, I also in high schoolwore dark eyeliner for chicken
to test and my friends and Iremember saying field hockey,
(20:05):
dark eyeliner, marissa andcheerleading dark eyeliner.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh my god, we are twins.
I just it's funny becauseyou're taking the most
vulnerable of a population.
We're taking young girls whoare maybe eight, nine, ten years
old and we're.
We're putting on these labelslike oh, she's got mosquito
bites or she's an early bloomer.
We are sexualizing children.
At the end of the day, do youthink the girl who's 13 and woke
(20:29):
up with c-cups is like yay?
No, she's like holy fuckingshit, what happened to my shirt
overnight?
You know what I mean, and Iactually remember.
I mean not to call people out.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, that's not my mind, we'll do it after you.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I have a very good friend I'm not going to name any
names.
I have a very good friend whoI've been friends with basically
my whole life, since elementaryschool, and she did go through
puberty I wouldn't say early,average age, but she was like
one of the first bloomers in ourclass and our people around us,
adults around us did mention ohshe, you know, she carries
(21:07):
herself a certain way, so she'salways looking for male
attention and I remember sayingthank god, what do you mean?
Like, I love this girl, she'smy best friend, we sleep over
time.
What are you talking about?
And this adult who was in mylife frequently, um, said oh, no
, no, the way, you know, sheshakes her hips.
Now that I'm an adult and Ilook back on that the way, quote
(21:28):
, she shakes her hips, it'sbecause she went through puberty
and that's just how she beganto walk.
When you grow up with, all of asudden you literally marcel
right, you wake up and you goholy.
Who's butts in my pants?
Whose ass?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
is that also, god forbid.
A girl has confidence.
What the fuck she hadconfidence, true, but like why
are we shaming her?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
but also, it was literally the only way she could
walk with her body shape.
Yes, she was not going aroundlike sachet, sachet, oh wait,
okay, sachet.
Oh wait, okay, queen, she wasnot doing that, she was just
walking at, I want to say, 12 or13.
She woke up with hips overnight, as puberty kind of happens,
and this adult in my life waslike I don't think you should be
(22:08):
friends with her.
She carries herself a certainway and I was like, and I was
like I was 12 and I was likethis is wrong.
I'm sorry, like whatever you'resaying is wrong.
I know this girl.
I've known this girl since wewere like nine.
You're wrong.
This is wrong.
She hit puberty and you need toget the F over it and I think
about that all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Meant to be adopted From the get-go.
I hit puberty actually At aninteresting time.
I'll share a story with all ofour viewers.
Me and my sister went to CampLobegan for two weeks Camp.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Lobegan, which was a sleep-away camp.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So my parents didn't see both of us for two weeks.
During those two weeks for menot my sister was the summer
that I already had hit mypuberty.
So I obviously hit it at 11 andI hit it in like April or May,
if I can remember correctly.
So this was the summer of that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So I was still 11.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Interesting enough, I loved all the girls I bunked
with, but I will say, because wewere all kind of in that same,
hitting the puberty or not, weall started judging each other
because some girls came with avery big, like full c cup and I
came with my mosquito bites, butalready had my period.
Some girls had not hit theirperiod yet some girls just had
like what they call like nippleand skin, which was like it was
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there but not like some girlshad not hit their period.
now, all of us were in thiscabin and we were all trying to
be best friends, and I don'teven mean to say that like we
were forced to, like we allactually got along very well.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Your cabin did get along.
I remember you guys were vibingmuch more than we were.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We actually really liked each other, although, I
will say, five girls out of the10 in the cabin were from the
same school and whatever.
So half the cabin already kneweach other but from the same
school and whatever.
So half the cabin already kneweach other.
But we all got along reallywell.
Yeah, we were all at differentpuberty ages of when we hit our
period.
Our group sizes were alldifferent, but what I do
remember is that we were alltaught incorrectly.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So no matter what size we were.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
It was okay to praise the girls that were just woke
up with these C or Ds and if youhad mosquito bites or less or
what we called back then asimmature middle schoolers like,
oh, you had some skin, whichmeans we hoped your boobs came
in, but they were like weirdlooking and were still growing,
as we we used to say, and wewere all just like, oh my God,
like what's wrong with yourboobs, what are they going?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
to grow in Like oh my God, what are they going to
grow in?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, like what's wrong with them?
Oh my, oh, my God, why aren'tthey C's or D's?
And we were like first of allevery woman genetically isn't
meant to be a C or a D, Becausewhen I did fully grow in I was a
B and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I was fully pregnant, still not a C, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Now, after having kids, I am much bigger, but
before I had kids, I was a B anda half my whole life Before
Jack, my first son, a B and ahalf bigger, obviously, but that
was not the case beforechildren.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm sorry, I'm a baby .
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I'm always been more fit sister.
I know I'm no movies.
It's just interesting that,like you, threw all these girls
going through puberty in a cabin, yeah, and unspent, unbeknownst
to them, there are cabinleaders and people in charge.
We're all looking at eachother's bodies, judging each
other, saying what's right,what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
None of us are medical doctors.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
None of us have even graduated eighth grade yet here
we are like wrong, yeah, right,wrong, right.
All of us are wrong.
All of us are wrong.
Yeah, the doctor is eating hertagine, but she will come out,
I'm eating tagine.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
um, I do love that about, uh, childhood.
Is that, for some reason, youassume like you're gonna grow
into?
I'm doing air quotes right now.
You're gonna grow into this,you're gonna grow into your nose
, you're gonna grow into yourears, you're going to your boobs
you're going to your hips,jerry gator, what, what, what?
Her nose?
Are you talking about her nose?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
it looks great on, yeah, okay and photographs.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, love it like why is it always like you're
gonna grow into this, you'regonna grow into that?
I so?
I truly again, because I wentto a catholic school.
They don't really teach youmuch about yeah, we both
menstruation.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry we went to a catholic
school.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
They don't teach you much about menstruation other
than like you're gonna bleedsinner.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
First of all, I'm cracking up.
But, uh, in order not to nothave sex me and bridget were
actually talking about thisrecently they like thought show
you a slideshow of stds, or it'sgood enough, but all you need
to do was put on a loop of acrying newborn 24 7.
I promise you I never wouldhave had a kid tall baby, the
same torture that they use ingitmo.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
By the way, they did that in guantanamo bay they play
loops of babies crying.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
That would scare you off of scary you didn't need to
show me an std.
You want to know why?
Because all their mistake wasalways showing me these penises.
True, and I'm like my problem,I got a regime.
Yeah, that's a good point,don't care now.
If you Now, if you on a loop,you were like listen for a whole
week nonstop.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm sending you home.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You must listen to this CD.
Fact, that CD on your CD.
Yeah, listen to nonstop babiescrying, I would have fucking
lost it Now.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Picture this You're 19.
You have no dad in the picture.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's just you and the when I've dropped out of high
school and joined a union I'venever.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm not even.
She's not qualified to join aunion, but she'll join one I
would have.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Listen, I'm very attracted to men, but I would
have been a lesbian.
I would have been a fuckinglesbian.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
A me-lesbian?
She would have been ame-lesbian.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
A millennial lesbian.
That's what you said, am Iwrong?
I'm a millennial lesbian.
Listen, listen, bitch On the.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Rocks Sponsored Sponsored by On the Rocks.
That's what I do.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We're just going to make it till you make it On the
Rocks, sponsored by On the Rocks, clank Ready.
Anyway, versus a lesbian, Iabsolutely would have been a
lesbian, but not the lesbian.
That's like let's have a family, no, let's have dogs, let's
have a farm with dogs, cats,parrots, parakeets.
I don't give a shit.
We would have taken in all theanimals that were abused.
(27:50):
We would have done it.
You would never have had it.
I love Jack and Evelyn.
Thank God they're here and theynever did this to us.
But if you had, done that to meon a loop for even two days not
even a week, two days, Jack andEvelyn would never have existed.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I know, Never it.
It's so true.
The crying baby is hilarious.
And then I only watched a movietwo weeks ago that said they
actually did that.
I'm not just saying this is atrue thing.
In Guantanamo Bay they wouldplay a crying newborn over and
over and I'm like that, totallytracks, Like that would make you
go crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
It tracks because any mother with their hormones and
trying to heal would goliterally insane.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It's a horrible noise , but what I was saying is the
whole you're going to grow intothis mentality.
I am 30 and I still have eightcups.
There is no like you're goingto grow into it and it's
actually really, I would say,damaging Cause.
I think I was like 18.
(28:48):
I was maybe a little dumb dumb.
I was about 18 when I was likeso, mom, like when am I going.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I know we're laughing , but like on the rocks.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But when are my boobs coming in?
And my mom was like girl,you're 18.
Give up the dream.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Like this is it?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So I think it's just like a very damaging mentality.
You'd be like oh, you're goingto grow into it, you're going to
grow into this, you're going togrow into that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
When sometimes it's like is your body?
It is, you are an eight cup.
Accept it, queen.
Well, okay.
So genetically, if we're goinginto genetics and history, we
are both half italian, halfirish, correct full american,
but yes, I don't care what youare, we're full america.
I keep telling my kids what weare because we're like a mix at
this point.
But john's like, tell themwe're american, I mean we are
typical marine, so the marine I.
I mean not to knock them.
I appreciate all they've donefor my husband and all the
(29:39):
benefits, but every time I dotell him, like what are you?
I only found out from hisfamily because, when I asked him
, he goes American.
I'm like that's not real,because your family has said
Irish, german and Polish, butokay, american.
He doesn't say America, he goesAmerica.
I'm like, okay, you're clearlyindoctrinated.
Again, love, you guys havegiven us the greatest benefits,
(30:00):
although, okay, if we're talkingabout this, which is another
segment, can we do better on?
homeless veterans at least inNew Jersey alone.
And yeah, we can Philadelphiaridiculous.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Right, we can dive in next episode next episode.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But is that not ridiculous?
You can agree to that nowridiculous right, yeah
absolutely.
They've given their life forthis country for a minimum of
four years definitely more someof them, but a minimum of four.
And you're saying like, oh well, after you get out, be homeless
, okay, I could go on for likeeight hours.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's no three drinks in no, no, I would do.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I am passionate, no matter what, because the man I
love has been a marine and we'llgo on.
I won't even say the bad wordCurse you Next episode, anyway.
So anyway.
What were you talking aboutbefore I got so heated?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
About being Irish, polish.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
German.
Genetic, genetic Thank youSorry On the rocks, Blue
Hawaiian this time.
Anyway, the point is is thatbecause of that and because of
the definitely dietary needs ofBridget and I growing up, we had
to create different things.
We did grow up more Bridget.
I would say more Irish and fit,and I was Italian and curvy.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She's a Sophia Loren.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Curvy, love my cheese and carbs and pasta and all
that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It is a lot of genetics.
It's a lot of genetics.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
But because of that I I know, now that we grew up to
be therapists and doctors, thatwhat we were doing in middle
school was so toxic and negative.
There was no ill intent, illwill, whatever it's called.
We were going off of our peersand how they made us feel, and
the worst is like back thensocial media wasn't a big thing,
(31:38):
but I remember magazines were,yeah, and there was like teen
teen voo cosmo girl.
Yeah, and if you were in like astick, you were a fan but heroin
cheek was very in when we werecoming of age.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So early 2000s it was heroin cheek, which everyone
our age knows that term ifyou're a little bit older you
probably never heard heroin,heroin cheek.
It basically refers to the termin the early 2000s when if you
were underweight to the pointwhere you looked emaciated, that
was the goal.
So you wanted your hip bones topop, you wanted your
collarbones to pop, yourshoulders, everything you wanted
(32:10):
, the bonier the better, andit's almost to the point where
it actually looked like you wereunderfed because that's what
you wanted.
If you wanted to reach thepoint of beauty and wealth where
you were so wealthy that youcould purposefully not eat that
you looked like a unfortunatelya dry addict.
So heroin cheek is which I'veheard.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Bad news is coming back but I heard that too, okay.
So here's the thing Even ifthat was in style and every
single woman on this planetsubscribed to that, it's
impossible for every singlewoman, because some women have
more hips than others.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yes, yes, no, you can never achieve the same goals.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Listen, even at my thinnest and Bridget's thinnest.
Bridget looked like shebelonged in Africa and you were
donating to her, I did.
And I still looked what youwould call a normal skinny Even
at my skinny has never achievedmodel skinny because my hips
never allowed it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
That's true, they still lie.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Even when I was super skinny, I was still.
They called me normal.
We have a different body shape,normal, and you know what?
Let's pretend that we're, eventhough though we are, but people
like to be stupid because oftrends.
Let's pretend that we'reeducated.
Right, it doesn't work foreverybody.
Even if I get the skinniest Ican get, and so does bridget,
(33:25):
she will always be skinnier thanme because she's always taller
than me and doesn't have thehips, this physical.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
The illusion is that I'm thinner because I have a
taller body.
I'm'm five three and a half,I'm five seven.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So the height is very different and I have Italian
hips and you have Irish hips.
I love them.
Now, I don't mean this in anegative way, but they're
non-existent.
You have model legs Model.
That should be a compliment.
I don't have model legsDifferent pelvis shape.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
For anyone medical listening, it's a different
pelvis shape.
The android pelvis, theanthropophilus are different
pelvis shapes.
Um, they usually for women theycome in three different shapes.
For men they come in one.
Um, sometimes women can havethe male shape as well.
Um, and when you see a skeleton, like a bear skeleton, it's
super obvious.
When you see a human with fatand muscle, it's more difficult
to tell.
Um, I only really have to knowthis because childbirth.
(34:20):
The study had used data frommore than 7,500 children aged 9
to 14 enrolled in the Growing UpToday study, g-u-t-s GUTs.
So researchers surveyed thekids in 1996 and 2004 and then
followed up with them in 2001and 2008, respectively.
So they measured diet in twoways the Alternative Healthy
(34:44):
Eating Index, which rates foodsand nutrients that predict
chronic disease, and theEmpirical Dietary Inflammatory
Pattern, which is a dietaryindex that can assess a diet's
ability to affect chronicinflammation index that can
assess a diet's ability toaffect chronic inflammation.
And they use these statisticalmodels to evaluate the
(35:04):
connection between the qualityof diet and the age at which
menstruation started.
Eating a healthy diet in latechildhood and early adolescence
is associated with girls havinga later first period compared
with those consuming a lesshealthy diet.
Importantly, this associationwas not explained by the impact
of diet on body size.
So the previous understandingwas that overeating high calorie
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foods may impact earlymenstruation because the
accumulation of body fat signalshormones to initiate puberty.
But the connection is thereeven if you account for body
mass index or BMI.
So childhood obesity was likelynot the only factor influencing
connection between earlymenstruation and diet.
Another factor related tounhealthy or inflammatory eating
(35:48):
must be contributing.
So you know environmentalfactors influence the age at
which menstruation starts,including being exposed to high
levels of air pollution, whichin the Northeast we have.
You know we're chock full of andpersonal care products and
hormone disruptors.
You know lotions, soaps, etcetera.
It's difficult to eliminateyour own or your child's
exposure to endocrine disruptingchemicals and there isn't clear
(36:11):
labeling requirements,especially by the FDA, which we
know Um.
So but you can use, likeskinsafeproductscom or, um Skin
Deep, they will tell you the uh.
Basically they give you a green, yellow or red ranking on your
soaps, your deodorants, yourshampoos, your lotions, etc.
Um where where your productranks with hormone disrupting
(36:33):
abilities, which is important toknow.
Where your product ranks withhormone disrupting abilities
which is important to know.
Absolutely so.
Yeah, in this study,researchers assessed healthy
diets, people who had fruits,veg, healthy fats, whole grains,
nuts and legumes, and thenpeople who had what you would
(36:58):
say inflammatory diet, which isred and processed meats, refined
grains, sugar, sweetenedbeverages, which is soda for
juice and diet soft drinks, andthat is what they use.
Our findings highlight the needfor all children and
adolescents to have access tohealthy meal options and the
importance of school-basedbreakfast and lunches, including
based on evidence-basedguidelines, which is really
important.
Ultra ultra-processed foods are70% of a typical teenager's
intake 70%.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Wow, yeah, that's crazy, very crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So the average American teenager is consuming
70% of their dietultra-processed.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Now we wonder why 7 to 8-year-olds are having
periods.
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's very important which segues into Okay, so we're
getting into Judy Blume, whichI promised you in the beginning,
the Judy Blume carrot dangling,so New Jersey native.
A lot of her books are actuallybased in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
We all know.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Judy Blume.
We all love Judy Blume,especially if you're a girl who
came of age any time Idefinitely had to read this
growing up.
Yeah, it's uh.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
it's me, god are you there, god?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
it's me margaret, jeannie, um blubber.
What is it called blubber?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
yeah, yeah she brought it over here, she would
label all I know it's a great.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
She's a great author.
Like I said, she's anoctogenarian now and she's in
the new jersey hall of fame.
She actually has um on theinterstate 95.
She has a rest stop named afterher.
So she uh, currently on netflixis called forever.
It is a I think it's a limitedseries.
It's based on judy bloom's uhrevolutionary book at the time
(38:27):
and I think it was 1975 or it'sset in 1975, new jersey.
So let's talk about bannedbooks.
So forever, uh, and many of herbooks judy bloom said she
actually wrote for her owndaughter, who is a pre-teen at
the time, who said I want toread books about me and make me
feel good and nobody dies, whichis funny.
(38:50):
So basically she wanted a bookabout teenagers who would maybe
fall in love, enjoy themselvesGod forbid and not die no
consequences for just falling inlove, which is what we should
have.
So Judy Blume started writingand Forever is a story about
this.
This is her story, her novel,not the Netflix series.
(39:12):
I'll tell you about the Netflixseries in a second.
So the novel, which is based inmid to late seventies New Jersey
, is about high school seniors.
Now we're talking about 17 to18 year olds who meet at a New
Year's Eve party and end updating.
And when they are they'redating, they're happy, they're
in love.
It's very consensualrelationship.
They have fun, they fool around, they explore their own
(39:35):
sexuality completely consensual,as I mentioned, towards the end
of their senior year.
So now we're assuming they're18 years old, they are adults
who love each other and chooseto be together.
They also are safe and theyhave sex.
So that's how the book ends.
So in the 70s, mothers and andstates went wild, especially
(39:58):
Pennsylvania and Ohio.
They banned this book.
They banned it.
They banned it left, right,center, it was banned everywhere
.
And someone actually said acongressman, of course it was a
man actually said, quote girlsshould not read about
menstruation.
In relation to other books thatJudy Blume wrote, I think that
(40:19):
was about it's Me, god, are youthere?
It's Me, margaret, are youthere, god?
I think that was what he wastalking about.
So, quote girls should not readabout menstruation.
So how are we supposed to learnabout it If you can't read
about it?
What do you hear about itthrough your grandma and your
mother?
Great, so they have informationthat was passed down from their
(40:41):
grandmother and their motherswhich they weren't allowed to
read about, so you're gettingfalse information.
Hearsay, as a lawyer woulddescribe it.
Um, because you shouldn't bereading about it.
Something that is going throughyou at the time, it's happening
to you, it's, you know, anatural process, but, quote,
girls should not be readingabout it so I know so judy
bloom's book, one of many, as Isaid.
Uh, it's me, margaret, are youthere?
God, dini and um forever.
(41:03):
We're all completely banned,but we're available through,
like the american library,whatever you know.
Um, so forever.
The netflix series is um,modern, just modernized.
It's a couple from la, it's outof new jersey, um, and I think
the premise still remains wherethey are in love and they are
young.
It's a young couple and theydecide to be intimate with each
(41:24):
other.
Um, another quote.
I read this this morning soit's fresh in my head.
A mother, I think in ohio,about forever in the 70s, said I
would rather my child readpornography because then at
least she learns theconsequences.
Where in the book forever theyhave sex and they're happy and
the book ends and she doesn'twant the daughter to be happy
(41:47):
and know that there's a happyending.
18 year olds, by the way.
18 year olds having aconsensual loving relationship,
choosing each other to engage insexual activity, lose their
virginities and parents were sounhappy well, I mean, as someone
who has loved history but alsobecame a therapist, I can, I can
attest to.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I mean a woman should be happy in the home, happy
serving, happy as a mother,happy as a wife.
You have freedom to choose.
Maybe, as they call the lonely,what is it?
Lonely boy?
Uh, global, whatever globalproblem that it is on tiktok,
the lonely boy.
(42:26):
Right now, what's going on?
Is the lonely boy global issueor lonely boy something?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
in selves?
Are we using it on the term forthemselves?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
they are themselves, but that's not what we're using.
Again, I'm a little too old tokeep up with the complete term,
but I know that the beginning ofthe term is lonely boy.
What is it called?
Pandemic epidemic, whatever?
Honestly, don't fucking know,because I'm married and happy
and don't keep up with this, butI will say that this could end
this pandemic epidemic, whateveryou want to call it, this
(42:59):
lonely boy issue, if you justbecame like a real good person.
If you're looking for a slave,just say that.
But if you want a partner inlife, then this lonely boy thing
will be a problem.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
What came to mind with reading real people quote
saying I'd rather my child readpornography than fucking forever
in 1975 is um have, I mean, noone says this anymore, it's just
ironically.
But can't turn a housewife intohoe, marissa, I mean a hoe into
a housewife.
I said that part doesn't turngood.
Marissa's living proof that youcan in fact take a hoe and turn
(43:32):
her into a housewife I'm gonnatake one for the team right now,
guys.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Okay, all my friends get a test right now.
Sorry, mom, you're about tohear right now all the times
that I've lied to you, but I wasin fact a hoe, and now she's a
housewife?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
No, she works.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I could have been If my husband had told me, I could
be, we'd live a mediocre life.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
She has kids.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
She's happy, Listen guys.
Okay, so every friend group hasthe promiscuous friend.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I was the promiscuous friend.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Promiscuous girl.
Okay, listen, girl, boy, wedon't need a lawsuit, bridget, I
know, anyway.
So basically I was that friend.
I was always the promiscuousgirl.
I always did the crazy bullshitshit like cliff jumping for
some people right, bullshit,shit.
I'm not saying that a cliff jump, but like if you can think
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about, like okay, we have agroup, a friend group, and then,
like the person who was readyto cliff jump, that was me right
, like I just did crazy shit.
I did whatever the fuck Iwanted.
You want to know why I didwhatever the fuck I wanted?
This is so bad.
Our jerry's gonna kill us.
It's because she, she was smartenough to put us on birth
control early, but that just waslike a pass anyway, so that's
what I did, oh, my god, ourrelatives are listening to this.
They're gonna die.
We're gonna have to go to somany funerals because of this
(44:41):
marissa.
I mean, I mean, they're gonnacroak.
This is they don't see me likethis.
I was the shy older kidpromiscuous, but shy older kid
anyway so, um, basically, wheredid we go on this topic?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I honestly, I I don't know where we're going.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Why did I expose myself like this?
Why are we talking about this?
I am on the rocks, fuckingdrunk.
Why are we talking about this?
Should I cut this out?
Why did I just expose myself?
Tell me, bridget, is this yourplan?
You want to fuck me over?
Tell me, bridget, you want tofuck your plan.
You wanna fuck me over?
Tell me, bridget, you wannafuck on me, you wanna fuck on?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
me.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Wait, what were we I literally am shocked by this.
Good question.
You're not even the drunk one.
Why are we talking about this?
Fuck, oh, I actually just can'tturn a-.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh, you can't turn a hoe into housewives.
Okay, I'm here to tell youright now you absolutely can the
point is shout out to all thehoes who became housewives this
Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Fuck you, bridget.
I love you, but right now, fuckyou.
I wish you nothing but the bestin life.
Anyway, theo's amazing.
I love Theo.
He can come anytime Bridgetcannot visit, alright, Well,
listen, I love Theo.
He can come anytime.
Bridget cannot visit, all right, well, listen.
We've had quite a long podcast.
(46:03):
Actually, today is like I know.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We're going to wrap it up.
Anyway, as always, bridget'samazing.
She's done all the research andI've just collaborated.
Shout out to Bridget Melton.
Woo-hoo, dr Bridget.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Melton.
Thank you guys so much forlistening, even if you're not
listening and I'm speaking intoan echo chamber into the void.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Our favorite listener , tracy rankle thank you so much
, everybody for tuning in um.
This has been psychotic.
Posey, please follow us, wereally need money.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
We're poor.
Thank you, love you Bye.
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