2024 Golf Year in Review: Highlights, Transformations, and Future Predictions

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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got Buttsy.
We've got our tour insider, Brent Grant.
And man, do we have an episode for you becausethis is the last show of 2024, and we're going
to get it kick-started with the TRF report withButtsy.
Then we're gonna dive into the 2024 Pro GolfYear in Review, where we basically break down

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all the big stories and headlines from 2024.
Then we're gonna get into some expectations andpredictions that we have for 2025, a little
preview of the Century, which I just realizedis this week, gentlemen.
So that's gonna be interesting in and ofitself.
I know it kinda caught me off guard.
I'm like, I was kind of expecting it to be nextweek.

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But that being said, we will cover that.
And then we've got a couple of extra littlepieces towards the end as well, but let's get
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But let's get right into the tee-off reportwith Buttsy.
Now Buttsy, as New Year's is coming up here anda lot of guys and a lot of girls are starting

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to set their New Year's resolutions.
What's your advice for golfers for their NewYear's resolutions?
Oh, man.
This is gonna be my own advice as well.
That is to not gonna spend any more.
We're not, don't buy clubs.
Don't spend money on clubs.
Stop buying equipment.
Stop looking at these juicy new drivers thatliterally go no further than they've ever

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claimed to go over the last 10 years.
If they did, we'd be hitting it 1,000 yards bynow, but get a fucking lesson
for the
new year.
Go get a lesson.
Learn how to align yourself to the golf ball.
Learn how to aim.
Start there and spend some money investing inthe physical side of your game, which is your
setup, and have somebody get their eye on youand quit worrying about the newest piece of

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equipment that you don't have.
Wow.
That's pretty actually solid advice out of you.
I was expecting something, you know, comical,but that was dead on.
I mean, invest into yourself this year.
That's the comical, man.
I mean, and we can get into that if you reallywanna, you know?
I mean, there's 30 handicaps that go out andspend $500 every year and pray and beg their

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wives so they can finally go get that newfucking driver, then they go out and they dent
the fuck out of the bottom of that one too.
So, that's what I mean.
At least get good enough where you reap thebenefits of a shaft fitting.
You're gonna go spend $300 on a shaft.
At least get to the point where that makes afucking difference, and you're not just showing

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off the paint.
So that would be my advice.
And wants to know, who's your teacher, Buttsy?
Who's gonna be giving you that golf lesson in2025?
Well, first and foremost, God, you know, Godis.
And, no.
I have several teachers, man.
It's usually whoever I end up hanging out withmore that I can say, hey.

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Why does this look so fucked up?
And, what do you think?
And they'll give me a tip, and then I'll godown the hallway with that for about four hours
over the course of six months that I don'tpractice until I hang out with another buddy,
and then he's my teacher.
So, no.
I'm gonna lock in.
I'm gonna go see somebody.
I'm gonna put in the effort.
I've committed to practicing for, like, atleast two nights a week and maybe play some

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afternoon golf that isn't just blacked out oncea week on a Saturday.
There you go.
I gotta tell you, it's solid advice though.
Invest in yourself, folks.
Go get yourself a lesson.
Go get yourself in the gym and get working outwith a golf fitness trainer because that's
gonna make a big difference as well.
Or at least take a look at guys like Ando onInstagram, who I'll attach his Instagram in the

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podcast information.
But if you go on and watch some of theseInstagram videos that they do, they're
basically giving you the blueprint as to whatto do in the gym, which is pretty sweet.
Yeah.
I don't do any of that in the gym, but I'm nothere for that.
So, anyways.
You're up there for the bulk.
Get that pump on, baby.

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I just like lifting fucking heavyweights.
That ain't gonna slow down.
Y'all like doing that.
So till these joints give out and my backswingliterally stops in my back pocket, on my feet
too.
It already does.
Shit.
It already does.
There you go, folks.
I mean, there's no better advice than rightthere from the tee-off report.

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Fantastic stuff there.
Let's get right into the 2024 year in review,and I'm just gonna go over a couple of the
biggest storylines from 2024.
And, gentlemen, let me know if I missedanything, and then we're gonna talk about this
for a little bit.
We've got, first off, probably the biggeststoryline.
Scottie Scheffler wins seven times, wins theMasters, wins the Players, wins the FedEx Cup,

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and also won four of the signature seriesevents.
Then we've got Xander Schauffele, who won thePGA Championship and Open Championship, which
he had finally broken through with the PGAChampionship because he had that stigma that
everybody was chiming in with.
I mean, we were one of the many media outletsthat were talking about how Xander Schauffele

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is really having a tough time closing out golftournaments and especially when the week prior
was the, you know, the, oh, gosh, try.
I appreciate that.
We will get into a little bit of the PNC recapas well.
I know that one is close to home for you.
So we will talk about that.
Certainly that's in our little and more sectionof this particular podcast.

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But, that being said, going back to XanderSchauffele, he had lost the Wells Fargo the
week prior to Rory McIlroy, in which he justkinda couldn't do anything on Sunday.
And that was kind of a theme for him.
And then all of a sudden broke through in a bigway at the PGA Championship.
And, obviously then followed that up with hissecond major championship win of the year and

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of his career with the Open Championship.
Then we got Bryson DeChambeau, who this one isinteresting because not only does he win the
U.S.
Open, but the guy becomes an absolute YouTubecelebrity star within the sport.
I mean, it's pretty incredible.
Yeah.
What's that?
A real breakout.
It's an absolute breakout.
Like, yeah, timing couldn't have been better.

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Yeah.
And then, I mean, the transformation of hispersonality too, from being hated among the
general public to all of a sudden being loved.
And everybody's like, oh, my God, I got towatch Bryson DeChambeau's hole in one over his
house and all of that good stuff.
The Break 50 series that he did.
I mean, just a lot of good stuff that came outof Bryson DeChambeau this year.

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And then the last part was really around golfviewership, which was significantly down in
2024.
I didn't even realize how much it was down.
Across the board, it was down between 20 to 25%decrease in viewership amongst all of the
tournaments.
And here's the crazy thing, the Masters wasdown 20%.

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Then you got the Phoenix Open was down 35%.
You've got the Arnold Palmer Invitational wasdown 30%.
And the Players Championship was down 15%.
So I mean, when you look at that, some of thebiggest tournaments of the year and the
viewership is down that much, that is a prettybig hit in terms of professional golf and

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what's actually being watched out there.
I think you said it right there, and I knowwe'll get into that.
But, in terms of professional golf, viewershipwas down.
Right?
But I'd like to think golf as a whole beingconsumed was maybe up.
Alright.
Yeah.
I'm with you there.
Now, guys, which one was the biggest storylinefor you this year?

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So we'll start with you, Buttsy.
Alright.
Xander breakthrough.
Getting off the getting off the camel's back,getting it done, and now, probably not looking
back anytime soon.
Probably gonna get a few more, and that's justgonna be a normal thing that he does.
Yeah.
That was an interesting one because we got alot of backlash over.
We did a clip that was like, why is XanderSchauffele, the number 2, betting odds for this

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week heading into there?
And here's the thing.
I love seeing the players break through.
Like, I will never stop, like, providing thattype of critique on somebody even though he
came through and broke through the very nextweek.
That's awesome to see.
Like, somebody to take all the criticism orcritiques and all of a sudden be able to pull

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through.
I love that.
Like, that's I I love it.
I love to see guys do that.
But, Brent, what about you?
What was your big storyline for 2024?
I think it's I think it's a mix between betweenthe two, and it's kind of a a the top two that
you mentioned, with Scottie and Xander.
And and the the common theme there is kind ofthe breakout amongst a bunch of critique.

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I mean, Scottie's Scottie's putting was undercritique, is still under critique even though
he's he's won, I think, in in all worldwide, itwas, like, nine or 10 times, including a gold
medal.
But the same goes and the same goes for Xander.
And and it's just it's just incredible thatboth those guys were not in not in the media
for anything that they said or any, like, Imean, obviously, Scottie had a pretty

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incredible thing happen at the PGAChampionship.
But other than that, these guys made madeheadlines because of their play.
It didn't have anything to do with theirattitudes or anything like that.
And and, it get it gets right back to where weshould all be, which is what matters.
So it's it's good golf.
Let's let's let's dispense with all thepolitics and all the BS, and let's go play golf

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and see who wins.
And it's pretty clear that Scottie and Xanderdid that the best amongst everybody.
It's a hot take.
Hot take right there.
Love that out of you, Brent.
Absolutely love that.
Now we're gonna get into another hot take area,which is, was LIV Golf a success in 2024?
And here's a few little points behind that.

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Rahm, who was their big signing heading intothe 2024 season, didn't really move the needle
in terms of LIV Golf viewership.
Then you've got no additional teams were addedthis year, and no additional players were added
either from the PGA Tour side in terms of bignames.
And then the CW terminating their agreementwith them, which was mainly LIV Golf paying

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them for broadcast rights.
So I know anybody who follows LIV Golf is gonnasay, yeah, but they've got FS1 kinda looking to
make a deal with them.
That's fine and dandy.
I haven't heard anything final around that asof yet, unless I missed something.

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But that being said, Buttsy, was LIV Golf asuccess in 2024?
Man.
That's subjective, I think.
That's what everybody says when they don'treally have a good understanding.
Right?
No.
I think they have their cult following.
And before the start of the year, I got into ita little bit and was watching the events.

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And I thought that the product was super cool,and I liked that it showed off more players.
At the end of the day, I don't know that itgrew a whole lot.
Like you said, I don't think, you know, 10million new people are watching LIV Golf.
I think the people that liked it when it firstcame out still love it and enjoy the product
and enjoy watching some of the guys that theydon't get to see play golf on the PGA Tour

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anymore play golf out there, however fufu theymight think that is or the music and all that.
Yeah.
I don't know that they've grown.
I don't know that they've grabbed a bunch ofthe up-and-coming generation that's learning
the game, and I don't think that the product'sreally improved.
I think it's just kinda, it's kinda, you know,maintaining altitude, and we'll see what

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happens.
They're gonna have to do something different.
Brent, what about you?
Can I ask you the same question?
Yeah.
LIV Golf as success in 2024.
I think I think it totally depends on yourperspective.
Obviously, for the majority of the players thathave remained and are still making a crap load
of money doing their thing, they feel greatabout it.

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Obviously, Bryson has been given a hugeplatform and is able to do what he wants with
his, with his own image, which is crucial, andthat's a part of a huge conversation, I think,
going into 2025.
But we can get into that later.
And then on the other side of it, I talked to abunch of people in Nashville, a bunch of the
members at The Grove, which is where they hostone of the events.

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And it just sort of seems like it's a noveltykind of thing that you get, you know, a bunch
of young folks out there and they wanna go andparty, and that's kinda what the audience is.
And then you, like you said, Buttsy, you've gotthe homers that, hey, you know what?
Fuck the PGA Tour.
We're gonna anything anti-PGA Tour, we're gonnago ahead and give our support to that.

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So, overall, as a professional golfer, I wouldsay absolutely not.
I don't think the LIV tour has grown inpopularity to the point where you could say
that it gained any ground other than that theywere able to kinda use the deal that they made
in May, and we'll see what happens.

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But 2024, not a success.
You
know?
Yeah.
2024 was rough for LIV Golf in my opinion.
I mean, they had some breakout stars likeJoaquín Niemann really had a great beginning to
the year that was kind of leading into theMasters and everything.
Bryson DeChambeau was definitely a highlightfor LIV Golf.
However, I don't even know with all of thestuff that Bryson did if it really pushed the

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LIV Golf product that much.
Right?
It was more so his own personal brand.
For sure.
Yeah.
I think you're right, Buttsy.
I think it took away from the LIV Golf product,and more people just started watching him on
YouTube, and that's where they were gettingtheir fix.
It might be part of the reason that the PGATour was, as dumb as we try to say they are, is

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so hard on those media rights, you know,because they don't want anything like that to
happen.
Yeah.
I mean, it's tough, right?
Because part of what kind of, you know, cameabout with regards to Bryson and his media
rights was Phil that said the same thing, wasthat the argument can absolutely be made that
it may or may not take away from the LIV touras a whole.

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But, honestly, I mean, if you can have a bunchof people all in lockstep growing their brand,
actually growing their brands, I mean, Bryson,aside from maybe Phil trying to give it a shot
and maybe a couple other guys, nobody was doinganywhere near the amount of work that Bryson
was doing.
But that's what it takes, and that's somethingthat, unfortunately, the PGA Tour has kind of

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stamped down on because it does take a lot ofwork to grow somebody's brand.
And they got 300 guys that are responsible for300 plus.
And, I mean, who the hell's got the time forthat?
So
When you have a marketplace now.
Right?
Exactly.
Yep.
Golf attention span.
And there's a lot of other places to shop nowthan just the classic product that was the PGA

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Tour.
And yeah.
Everything on.
Well.
That's not shown.
I actually have a question for you guys.
So we talked about that clip of Bryson makingthat putt, and I think it was at Meridien in
Dallas.
And, obviously, there were some things thatwere happening on the green there, but this was
a 15-second clip that you had, you know, aborderline Hall of Fame quarterback and one of

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the best players in the world alongside eachother doing what they were doing for 15
seconds.
And I guarantee you that thing got more clicksand more views than anything the PGA Tour has
done.
For I think this is gonna
be a battle.
Circuits probably.
Yeah.
And I think it's gonna be a battle betweenprofessional golf and the likes of YouTube

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golf.
I think there's a real battle here foreyeballs.
And I don't think it's necessarily, you know,PGA Tour versus LIV Golf.
I think you have your traditional professionalgolf fan.
I think LIV has kind of grabbed, you know, thepeople that were haters of the PGA Tour.
And then you've got this new audience that isall about YouTube golf.

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And what's the one thing that throughout theages outside of when Tiger Woods was in
contention, what is professional golf knownfor?
It's boring.
It's like watching grass grow.
Like it's a great way to fall asleep if you'rehaving issues taking a nap.
Like that was professional golf in a lot ofways throughout the years.

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And it still is.
And I think that's the part that is missed,right?
That the product itself isn't necessarilygreat.
Yeah.
You're going to watch great golf, but I thinkpeople wanna be entertained.
Mhmm.
And that's where the YouTube golf side becomesreally interesting.
And LIV Golf was kind of a bridge over to thatside of the world, but they're not really

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benefiting from Bryson DeChambeau blowing uphis own personal channel.
And, you know, not just YouTube golf.
Internet media, like, in general has disruptedevery part of everything.
I mean, what is it?
MrBeast Games.
Right?
Like, the most watched, one of the most watchedshows, like, in the history of anything that

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you could watch.
It's a YouTube show, and it's put on bysomebody and that, you know, they did it
themselves versus a network.
And you could liken networks to the PGA Tour.
They're a golf network.
All of this other media online now is startingto come up.
And like you said, they're doing thingsdifferently.
It's different, and people like that.
Like, it's worth their time.

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Yeah.
And Trot even mentions there's still no mics onthe bag and the caddie.
He's like, this isn't hard.
And that definitely adds an element to it.
Right?
Where the caddies, I feel like those are theguys a lot of times are the characters that are
out there on tour.
I mean, just interviewing a few of them and soforth.

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It's like, man, those guys have hugepersonalities.
They've got a ton of stories.
Those are the guys that it's like, okay, I wantto see all of a sudden if they know their guy
that well in the middle of like a heatedsituation where they're under pressure, they're
under the gun, how are they gonna calm themdown?
Like, what are they gonna do?
Like, imagine hearing one of them, like, a guyhits the shot and, like, under his breath,

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like, oh, fuck.
He cooked it.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's just yeah.
I mean, shit that they probably wouldn't wantyou to hear, but, yeah, like, you'd pick up
some amazing stuff.
I think the professional game has lackedauthenticity in a lot of ways where it's not
real.
Like, so many guys.
And it's funny because on the last episodearound the match, a lot of people brought up

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the fact that this is like these guys aren'tgoing to trash talk because they're worried
about sponsorships.
They're worried about being PC.
And I have a feeling that, you know, especiallyhere in America, that we're moving beyond kind
of that PC era to where you have to bepolitically correct.
You gotta say all the right things.

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We know the audience wants authenticity.
They want real interactions.
They don't want the fake stuff anymore.
They don't want the cookie cutter.
Oh, this is a gentleman's game and all this andthat.
They want the real stuff.
And I'm speaking on behalf of, obviously, a lotof people when I say that.
That being said, you know, putting mics on andhaving that type of audio or even, like, think

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of that chick you banged last night.
Like, having a caddy say that to one of thegolfers, you know, hopefully, they're not
married and that doesn't come out, but, youknow, that would be pretty funny and
entertaining in that moment.
It's relatable to the common man's experienceon the golf course with his buddies.
Right?
Like, the shit that comes out on the golfcourse is what comes out on the golf course,

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and it doesn't come out on the golf course onPGA Tour.
Yeah.
No.
You're absolutely right.
But and the and the other thing it.
Well, exactly.
Right?
I mean, think about how many stories we'veheard about Jack or Arnie and, you know, Jack's
Jack's cat Jack bends down.
What do you think about this one?
And he goes, well, I think it goes left toright and Jack goes, no.
No.
No.
The blonde over there with the skirt.

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Like, stuff like that.
Right?
I mean, the problem is is and you I think youtold me the story last week or the week before,
but but, you know, Bryson was taking a videoobviously doing his thing and happened to catch
Scottie at a at a not so great moment.
We don't know what that moment was, and I don'teven wanna infer because I do respect Scottie
Scheffler.
But, and then and then the breakoutconversation afterwards is you need to you need

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to take that down and this and that and the fand that.
And and he's protecting his image.
And the other part of the other part about thisis is that the corporate entities don't wanna
see anything that has to do with a common man.
They don't give a shit.
And that's kinda who that's that's who signsthe checks, unfortunately.
And and, until until and that's what we wantedfrom LIV.

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We wanted LIV to kinda break out from that, andI don't think it's happened yet.
But, you know, the hope is that that, you know,they kind of become kind of the bad boy, you
know, the real genuine part of golf, but we'llsee if it happens or not.
Or they're just gonna keep sorry.
Go ahead.
No.
That was a good point.
I was gonna say that, you know, they originallycame out as kind of the disruptor, the bad boys

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and the going against the they were thecontrarians of golf And sure enough, that
hasn't really stuck to it.
Where yeah.
Jon Rahm coming over and dropping all those fbombs.
That's fine.
But, like, that's not what we're looking for.
That's not the entertaining piece to all ofthis.

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No.
No.
Just some random rage moment.
Right?
I mean, you see all those compilations of Tigerdoing his thing over the last 30 years.
Right?
And it's like, okay.
We get it.
These guys can cuss, but it's like, okay.
What are the actual real conversations going onafter he hits a greenside bunker and he's got
five inches to work with worth of green?

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What is that conversation like between he andhis caddie?
And those don't happen.
You don't see any of those happen.
And that would be that would be huge.
They could be talking to each other about, youknow, a place they like to fish, like a fishing
trip and, oh, yeah.
We caught a big one up there last summer, youknow?
Mhmm.
Doesn't have to be naughty stuff either.
It can just be like, relatable stuff thatthey're actually conversing about.

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Yeah.
Creatine.
You know, that's huge.
That was an amazing conversation.
Jesus.
Did you guys notice was it just me, or waskinda Brooks just kinda a bit shut down?
I mean, obviously, it's super cold out there,but it just didn't seem that they were really
focusing much on those conversations betweenBrooks and Bryson if they even existed and just

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kinda hyper-focused on Scottie and Rory, youknow, because they were playing well.
So that's the only thing that matters.
Right?
Brooks was there for a paycheck, man.
Oh, no.
No.
Yeah.
I'm not.
I'm not missing the guy.
I get it.
No.
No.
No.
No.
But more so than probably the other guys, Idon't think he really cared all that much
because Bryson and even in the beginning thereon the practice putting green and they're about

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to walk over to the first tee and he's like,hey, man, let's jump on these guys early and
let's get in their heads.
And Brooks is just like, yeah, dude.
Oh, okay.
And they're mic'd up.
And it's like, there was just no energy, noexcitement whatsoever.
So that's pretty good read there, Brent, inregards to Brooks and kind of what he was

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thinking heading into that.
And, you know,
That's spot on, Brent.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I think Brooks has played it because they wereboth on LIV, and they both kinda have to get
along.
Paid.
Get what was that?
Comment for man has come around to the PullHook Golf podcast?
What was that?
Oh, yeah.
So Brent Grant, the man has come around to thePull Hook Golf podcast.

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Love that.
Who who has?
I believe he's referring to himself, the man.
Oh, well, hello, Brent Grant.
There we go.
But I don't think and, you know, there was thatbig flip where it's like, oh, Bryson and Brooks
are buddies now.
I don't think you flipped that switch.
I think it's kinda like, we're cordial witheach other.

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Yeah.
Bryson's a YouTube star, and Brooks iscollecting a paycheck.
That's that's all that it is.
And it's all I
think it meant a lot more.
Agree.
I mean, who gives?
I
think it meant a lot more to Bryson than it didto Brooks.
Let's put it that way.
Absolutely agree.
Now there was in women's golf in 2024, NellyKorda was pretty damn dominant across the

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board.
I mean, there's some other big names in there,too, in terms of breakouts, but Nelly Korda
kind of proved her dominance winning seventimes.
And I believe five of those were in a row orthereabouts.
Yeah.
There's a large amount.
Yeah.
There was a large amount that was in a row.
It was kind of nuts.
Obviously, we don't talk that much about thewomen's game.

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We probably should do a little bit more of it.
But that being said, she also won the LPGAPlayer of the Year award this year and got her
second major with the Chevron Championship.
So,
Yeah.
Her display was I mean, that was Annika.
That was Annika.
That was Lorena Ochoa.
That was yep.
That was unbelievable, and I hope she keeps itup.

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That's,
She's got the best swing in the game in myopinion.
Men or women.
Yeah.
Right now?
Yeah.
Or I think so.
Yeah.
Adam Scott's just a pretty, pretty golf swing.
He's that pretty golf swing.
He's just a pretty, pretty.
Is a pretty one.
All right.
Let's move it.

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Time.
Let's move it into our expectations andpredictions for 2025.
So first, we're going to start withexpectations.
First expectation is the merger with the PGATour and PIF or LIV Golf.
What do you guys think that looks like in 2025?
I think there's gotta be some, at some pointthat they start playing nice in the sandbox and

(28:10):
maybe it starts small, but, I think we see thathappening.
I don't know.
Fully merging and letting everybody come back,and everybody's happy-go-lucky.
I don't know if that's gonna happen, but, theywill they will cross streams this year.
Just like two dudes in a urinal.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Brent.
What about you, bud?

(28:30):
Yeah.
I was speaking to a couple of guys today atTPC, and one of them was on the board for a
little while.
And I kinda just asked the question, like, whatdo you guys think is gonna happen with all this
stuff?
And they were rather, like, kinda no.
Nobody's really talking about it.
So it doesn't seem as though thoseconversations are really getting leaked out

(28:51):
with regards to, you know, who, what, where,when, and why, and all that other stuff with
regards to the players and stuff.
But, honestly, what I would love to see happenis that this deal gets done.
We get over the politics, and everybody canmake a lot more money, and there are more
playing opportunities given for the Korn FerryTour guys and an opportunity to really, really

(29:17):
kinda break through and get back to what reallymatters, which is just golf.
So
In a perfect world, let's have everybody comeback together.
However, we've talked about it numerous times.
I brought it up several times in regards towhere the deal is at and so forth.
And, yes, it looks like there is an agreementin place.

(29:38):
That's all of everything that I've heard comeback to me is around the fact that the deal's
done.
It's basically at this point, just making surethat neither group ends up being investigated
by the, you know, who.
So that being said, with the new office comingin, you've got a good opportunity for this to

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go down.
You've heard things about this deal and some ofthe changes that are made.
The one thing that I'm really interested in,and, you know, it's been such a long time since
I've talked about it in regards to what's gonnahappen with the LIV Golf franchises.
What's going to happen with, you know, players?

(30:21):
Are they going to come back without penalty?
All these different things and all these thingsare kind of in place.
However, the details around how this is allgoing to go down are not.
So we don't know if this is going to even whenthe deal is official and goes through.
We don't know if LIV Golf guys are going to beable to come back and play on the PGA Tour next
year.
We don't know if there's going to have to besome type of policy put into place that's going

(30:46):
to allow these guys to come back and whatthat's going to look like.
I think we're gonna get details in 2025.
However, we're going to see the change in thegame happen in 2026.
And, hopefully, that's not too late.
No.
I Yeah.
Go ahead, bud.
Point, like you were saying, you were talkingto some guys at TPC, you know, and then you

(31:08):
got, like, you know, like, Phil's out, point amatch that everybody's excited about with
Wesley Bryan.
And, like, I think all this shit, like, it's agolf fan want.
It's a public want.
It sounds to me like a majority of playersreally could give a shit less if those guys
come back or if they can play there.
Like, they're just kinda like, yeah.
I don't know.
Well, cool.
If it happens, great.

(31:29):
Like, I don't think there's this armyinternally on both sides that are fighting to
play the golf with each other again.
No.
I absolutely agree with that.
The guys, like I said, there were a few guys.
The difficult part about this is nobody reallyhas any patience anymore.

(31:51):
The guy that was on the board, I asked him flatout.
I said, do you even do are you even locked intothis anymore?
It was a year ago he was on the board.
And it was like, dude, like, all of this takesaway from golf.
All of it takes away from our ability tocompete and play well and make money and take
care of our families and all that stuff.
And going back to my point about Xander andScottie, and it kinda builds off exactly what

(32:14):
you just said.
It's like nobody cares.
The people that are playing the best golf, theydon't care who it is against.
And this idea that, well, we just wanna play,you know, with the best product to put forth.
And the only people that are talking about thatare those that are on the board and Rory
McIlroy.
Everybody else just doesn't give a shit anymoreand just wanna get back to playing real golf

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for a shitload of money and for a lot ofaccolades.
You would think Tiger would care because think
he does.
Because of legacy.
Right?
Like, you don't wanna be the last one to setthe bar before it breaks apart, and we no
longer have the best product to represent, youknow, his records or Jack or those guys.
Does that make sense?

(32:56):
It does.
It does.
And one of the things that Jason Gore and I,I've he he and I talked to literally that day
that they dropped that Tuesday that theydropped, you know, in 2023 when they dropped
the, you know, the merger possibility.
Right?
They're kinda, you know, the base deal thatthey were gonna have a deal.
And I said, who do you trust that's there?
And he says, I trust Tiger above everybodybecause of that legacy point.

(33:20):
The issue is six months later, I have the sameconversation with him and he just shakes his
head.
And the point is that Tiger doesn't give a shitabout his legacy because his legacy is already
set in stone.
And if it means that he and his best buddiescan go make a shitload of money and can play in
a 30-man PGA Tour season with 15 events, that'swhat he cares about.

(33:44):
He doesn't care about having the history oranything like that because they're already
breaking that down.
I mean, well, it's ridiculous.
The problem with that for me though is, like,now if there's going to continue to be two
products forever, then there's never a chancefor another guy to break out to come along and
be Tiger.
Not that there ever will, but let's just saythat somebody's close.

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They'll never be able to sniff, you know, hisaccolades because it just won't—it's not the
same product anymore.
It's not the same playing field.
Does Scottie—I get a question to both of youguys.
Does Scottie's year stand up to any of theyears that Tiger had where he dominated like
that?
No.
Not yet.
Let me know.

(34:30):
It's just a—this is a math game.
Right?
But if somebody else were to come out, let'sjust say five years, 10 years from now, and
they start doing something, they're on track toeven come close to what you know?
Just some phenom.
Right?
Like, let's just say for shits and giggles.
And they do come close to that, and they doplay like that, and they do just beat the
living shit out of these guys and win that manymajors even in a world where everybody's so

(34:54):
tight and so good, if that ever happens, ifthat individual ever comes out and you got this
being the Y in the road
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
That's gonna it's not the same.
Like, okay.
That's pretty good, but, you know, I wasplaying against these guys, and this is yeah.
Yeah.
So is Scottie's year, is Scottie's year, doesit have an asterisk on it because of that?

(35:14):
To some degree, I think, yeah.
For sure.
I mean, you got guys that would have been outthere, that do that have and do and can still
win out there that would have been in thefield.
And by taking them out of the field, it's likeNASCAR.
Like, you take, you know, one of the bestdrivers out and say he's never racing again,
but he used to be my number two, number three,number four opponent.

(35:37):
And now I win everything.
You're not it's not the same.
I absolutely agree.
And that was always that was always one of theamazing things about this idea that they're
putting out the best product.
Right?
That that this is what the fans wanna see.
Right?
And immediately get response with exactly whatwe started the show with which was on average,
the viewership is down 20 to 25% across theboard.

(36:01):
Yeah.
And and that's by the way, that's not a smallmargin.
I mean, that's a huge percentage.
Can't reach
out to market.
I mean, my question, I guess, Matt, you guysare far more intelligent with this than I am.
But as far as marketing is concerned, from abusiness standpoint, wouldn't that mean that
the product is worth less if fewer people areviewing it?

(36:24):
Correct.
I then I I just if it's I I if it I mean, Iassume that it's it's pretty cut and dry.
So, you know, saying that 2026 is gonna somehowbe this amazing thing, you know, one of the
things that some one of the guys said today wasthat, you know, they're gonna play, you know,
8, 9 events and think it's the greatest thingever, and then they realize that it's the same

(36:46):
people every week doing the same stuff.
And then all of a sudden, you're a third of theway through the schedule with 30 more events to
go, and nobody's showing up.
So so There's there's no chance doing?
Yeah.
There's no breakout Monday qualifier.
There's no chance
for that
to happen anymore.
Patrick Reed disappears because that's how hemade it on the PGA Tour.

(37:09):
Right?
Scottie Scheffler, by the way, who his own dadsaid if the Korn Ferry Tour didn't exist, you
would never know who Scottie Scheffler was.
Scottie Scheffler doesn't exist.
Right?
I mean, to say the argument, well, the bestwill the cream of the crop, you know, always
just stop.
Just enough.
Go back to the way it was.
It's supposed to be merit-based.

(37:29):
Play your ass off.
Yes.
I am playing in the Waste Management Monday.

Actually playing in three (37:34):
Sony, Farmers, and then Waste Management.
Waste Management will be my first time playingthat one.
Let's go.
But see, you'll be on the bag.
Oh, I will.
I'm trained.
Only because I don't know anything about thatgolf course.
There you go.
Alright.
Let's move it into PGA Tour Studios.

(37:55):
Oh.
Right.
So what changes do you expect in 2025?
Now they've launched their brand new studios.
They put in millions of dollars into thisfacility.
And, you know, they've got all their socialmedia people now that are going to be a part of
this, like Paige Spiranac and Bob Does Sportsand, you know, Fore Play.

(38:20):
So you're going to be seeing a lot more throughsocial media because of those outlets and what
they're doing there.
And I think they've got them for a lot ofcollaborations.
But what do you expect out of these new PGATour Studios?
We've already seen, like, a massive increase indrone footage.
I mean, my god.

(38:40):
Everything on Instagram is like just a wildelaborate drone shot.
They weren't doing that before.
So somebody's doing something a littledifferent even out of the gate, but that's more
of a joke than anything else.
That's what I've seen so far.
Lots of drones.
Lot of drone footage.
Oh my god.
Of which, hang on.
TriGolfer brings up.
Did you guys see the new pro for Barstool?

(39:03):
No.
Who is it?
So it's this
They signed somebody?
That they have this massive dude that probablyis 3 he he would he puts you to shame, Buttsy,
in terms of size.
Like, this guy is maybe 2 times the size ofyou.
Wow.
Just massive, massive being.
And they call him Beef.

(39:25):
So
That's not original.
There's already a golfer named Beef.
I know.
They they What are we doing?
Come on, guys.
Get get
over here.
I haven't seen his social media stuff, so Ican't comment on it.
Is this Riggs?
Is this this is is this Dave?
Apparently, this is Dave Portnoy who signed himup.
Whoa.
So I thought he brought him on to

(39:45):
So they they have their own they have their ownpodcasts, Barstool does for golf is foreplay.
Foreplay.
Okay.
That's Fore Play.
Now a lot of people are kinda tired of ForePlay in a lot of ways, but now they've got the
tie-in with the PGA Tour, which they hadpreviously as well.
They're breaking in this golf professionalbeef.

(40:08):
And
Is this that guy that I sent you a few monthsago?
What's he?
Could be.
I'm not familiar.
I have no idea what Matt's talking about.
Saw him, I know he I I would I would
You guys will have to look into this.
It's, you know, it's it's a typical move.
I feel like because you just look at this guyand you kind of
laugh and
you're like, okay.
So he's going to be a lovable fella because ofhis size, I believe.

(40:32):
And that's kind of the appeal.
It is a classic Barstool guy.
So we'll just leave it at that.
But going back to the PGA Tour studios andeverything that's gonna be changing, I mean,
Brent, you were kinda on the side that youdon't feel like anything's gonna change.
No.
And they were talking to us about this, youknow, three, four, five years ago about how

(40:54):
they were putting all this money into buildingthese buildings.
And and and we were all a little lost as far ashow they came up with, you know, tens and tens
of millions of dollars to to build this and howthey're gonna bring all the footage under one
roof, and that means that it'll be moreorganized.
And they were trying to spin it as to how thatwould benefit us of which they were obviously

(41:17):
failures at doing.
But all in all, they have get they've had, youknow, a pretty big part in how the golf how
golf is viewed over the last ever.
So nothing about their track record tells methat anything's gonna be positive.
So, I'm not hoping, because I don't give ashit.

(41:38):
But at the same time, I just wanna see thesefucking idiots go out there, and they get their
little mics, and they got their little deal,and they interview golfers, and they interview
somebody like a Brooks or somebody like thatthat is totally nonchalant and will just tell
you to your face.
And you get some idiot off a Barstool or ForePlay, whatever the fuck.

(42:01):
And the guy looks at him and goes, you've neverplayed a competitive round of golf in your
life.
Get the fuck away from me.
Like, you're just a distraction.
So no.
But they will get paid to say that.
Well no.
But they will just look at them and be veryshort and curt unless they're getting paid.
If they get paid, then they'll be the nicesthuman beings in the world.

(42:22):
But if not
well, that's where I see this kind of going.
Right?
Is that with all this partnership with thesesocial media personalities, we're seeing that
there's more matches that are going on with PGATour guys.
There's more content that's being created.
Even the TGL, like they had Jerry After Darkwith Barstool doing a whole promo for the TGL.

(42:47):
So it's like
they're putting money in
this, this could be different.
And it could actually be in a lot of ways.
I mentioned this from time to time.
I know you like to shoot this one down, Brent,but I kind of see this as the SSG kind of push
around the media side for other major sports asto how to get big within your sport by

(43:11):
utilizing other media outlets and social mediainfluencers and so forth.
Hockey's done it a lot with, Spittin' Chiclets,which is the hockey Barstool podcast.
Well,
I bet
it was a couple weeks ago.
It's it's the modern day Shell's WonderfulWorld of Golf.
Like, it
it's it's turning into that.

(43:31):
Yeah.
Alright.
Listen.
I I saw the video as if it was the first time Ihad seen anything since the the dome crash.
And what I'm what my former agent is now theirtheir head of of players relations there, and
and we had a pretty long talk about it.
Listen.
I'm I'm hopeful that those guys get blown up.
I do I think that it's gonna be any sort ofreplacement for anything.

(43:56):
No.
I think it may or may not fill a gap that'sthat's there.
But SSG is is absolutely doing what whatthey've done in other sports, and I totally
agree that that they're they're investing asmuch as they can, in growing a product that
they have a lot of investment in.
And and hey.
You know what?
I mean, I'm wasting how many millions are beingwasted into the TGL?

(44:18):
Any guess wasted?
So this is this is actually our next topic forexpectations.
What are what are our expectations for the TGL,which begins on January 7?
So I
think it looks awesome.
You've come around big time.
Yes.
I I No.
It looks amazing.
It looks incredible.

(44:39):
Gonna be something that I wanna watch when I'mhanging out at night and the time frame and the
spot that it'll fill.
I mean, having prime-time golf and, like, Ithink they're
really exciting.
and on Monday.
Super cool.
That 5-story screen, and it's super accurateand actually hitting real short game shots and
watch you guys be able to kinda hole out flopshots and shit, like and actually make putts.

(45:00):
Like, it's gonna be exciting.
Their first one is next Tuesday, actually.
Oh, is it Tuesday?
Gonna have with that.
We're gonna have a watch party.
I feel like it.
I mean, shoot.
Yeah.
Could be fun.
Yep.
Yeah.
The expectation is that they fulfill all ofthis investment, and it doesn't, you know, end
up like the Las Vegas Sphere and loses ashitload of money every year.

(45:24):
But, I mean, who knows?
I just don't see I don't see how we don't haveany base.
We don't have any data at all.
Well, we're gonna get it here shortly withESPN.
I mean Yeah.
Well, not only ESPN, though.
Sky Sports is also signed up now.
So the biggest UK outlet and then you gotreally the biggest U.S.

(45:47):
outlet with ESPN.
I mean, so you got the platforms you're goingto have.
Yeah.
Hopefully the viewership that's going to bethere.
There's a shitload of money behind it for sure.
There's there's no doubt about that.
Yeah.
There's a ton.
But I told you guys, this is real.
This is not like one of the best things thatever happened to them.
Because if this went through last year, theywould have been it would have been a debacle.

(46:09):
It wasn't ready.
And when they destroyed the SoFi Arena lastyear before they were supposed to launch, they
were like, hey, we're gonna delay the TGL for ayear.
Somebody very smart sabotaged that arenabecause this entire thing, it wasn't their
technology was

(46:30):
right.
They were trying to use Doppler radar.
They were trying to do it for so much of it.
Now they're using Toptracer technology, whichis camera-based.
They've done a lot of stuff in that time, andnow it's ready for prime time.
And it looks
sick.
It looks sick.
Yeah.
Do you guys think that this will break thecurse that the PGA Tour has, with regards to

(46:57):
making decisions and then sort of saying, well,we'll see how it goes kind of thing and then
kind of, like, backstepping and going, oh, no.
We're gonna go in a different direction andkind of just playing this game of we hope and
see?
Do you think that this break, this accidentgave them the opportunity to break that curse?

(47:17):
Yeah.
I hope so.
Listen.
I'm a huge skeptic because it's not real golf,but there's a shitload of money behind it, and
I would hate to see some because I do enjoywatching, you know, these guys kinda get after
it, and we'll see what happens.
I'll give you a little insight here.

(47:38):
Here's what I think.
YouTube golf is not real golf.
It's not even for us.
There's guys out there
which is why we're
talking about
the milk.
I mean, they're chugging a gallon of milk everyhole, and millions of people are watching that.
So if you even get a little bit of these guysletting their hair down and it's super
exciting, I think they're gonna do just fine.

(48:00):
I think we've talked about how the trash talkis going to be a part of this too.
It has to be.
Ricky has to.
That's the thing.
It's like the number one, you know, most ArnoldPalmer-esque person of our generation is Rickie
Fowler.
And regardless of what you think of his play,he absolutely is the biggest draw as far as a

(48:20):
genuine personality, a good dude, and he's justan absolute baller.
So, I mean, I hope he brings it, and I hope heelevates everybody else because God knows Tiger
and Rory and those guys aren't gonna do it.
They're all robots.
But, yeah, I mean, some of those guys on thoseteams, I mean, Sahith's freaking he's
hilarious.

(48:40):
I mean, they got some guys on there that aregonna be able to bring some personality, some
genuine personality.
Who's not a potato?
Who's this the
dude?
Roger Steele is one of them.
Okay.
Who who'd you say, Brent?
I said, Matt Cook.
Come on, bud.
Dude, that that would be
cookie monster.
That would be phenomenal.
I would absolutely do that in a heartbeat.

(49:01):
But Roger Steele, I think, is, like, the courseor on course, like, talking to the guys and
stuff, which that makes sense.
Then, you've got oh, gosh.
Who is it?
Scott Van Pelt.
And really?
There's another one.
Hang on.
I'll I'll find it real quick.
They need to resurrect Gary McCord and just puthim back out there.
Oh my gosh.

(49:22):
How about that?
Gary McCord, David Feherty.
That was one of the things that pissed me offabout the match among many things.
But, Feherty was just an afterthought.
He would say two words, and then CharlesBarkley or whomever would just trounce the
conversation.
It's like, the rest of that panel was justworthless compared to Feherty.
And I just I wish they would've let Feherty dohis thing.

(49:45):
Yeah.
Talk shit about the cold, talk shit about thenight, talk shit about all of it, and it would
all be relevant because, you know, he's beendoing it for so damn
long.
Okay.
So here's what it is.
You got the broadcast team.
So the host is gonna be Scott Van Pelt, whichis huge.
I
mean, Scott Van Pelt is phenomenal.
OG, that guy.
And he's been in golf for such a long time.

(50:07):
Obviously, does the Masters broadcast.
You got Matt Barrie, who is a big golfer in andof himself, ASU guy.
He's gonna be doing the play-by-play.
And then you got Marty Smith.
You guys know Marty Smith does a lot of theNASCAR stuff in college football.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The dude with the hair.
Yep.
He's really good as well.
And then you've got, oh, boy.

(50:28):
You've got digital hosts, Jamal Webster.
I don't know who that is.
And then Claire Rogers.
So I believe she's with golf.com, which she's abig Twitter
person.
And then you got Invenue MC, which is RogerSteele.
So I guess he's not the I don't know exactlywhat his role is as the Invenue MC.

(50:50):
I kinda assume
that like like announcing who's who's hitting.
Oh, that's right.
You're right.
Okay.
On the team.
I mean, what a great gig for any of thosepeople to be a part of that.
But I do tell you right now, I told you guysfrom the beginning, this is real.
This is going to be a success because there'stoo much money and power behind it.

(51:16):
Too big to fail?
Here's what I think you're missing out on isthat this is not a PGA Tour operation.
This is a Tomorrow Golf League operation towhere
it's a game show.
Yeah.
Well, this is behind it.
This is Tiger and Rory's, like they're the twofounders behind this with a bunch of tech guys

(51:36):
and everything.
And I got to tell you, like PGA Tour put theirstamp of approval all over it because of LIV
Golf.
Well, that
might have been a lot more difficult of aconversation if LIV Golf didn't kind of move
the needle when it came to, you know, allowingthese guys to do a little bit more.
So that's why I think it's going to be asuccess.

(51:58):
You got ESPN behind it.
You've obviously got the broadcast coming fromESPN.
I just think it's going to be a big successmoving into next year.
I know a lot of people and this is also goingto really help improve the entire perception
about indoor golf.
I think it's going to do a lot.
Maybe a lot of fun to bet on as well.

(52:18):
Yes.
Well, I guess that's
that's gonna be I mean, you're gonna see as asas by the way, as frustrating as it is to watch
18 million gambling commercials every singletime you watch golf or anything for that
matter.
But did I do that?
No.
That was, that was Urkel.
Did I do that?
That's Urkel.
Yeah.

(52:38):
But what was Urkel's real name?
Gosh.
I I told you.
He just came out with he just came out with a,special.
Man, I totally forgot his name.
But, I don't know, guys.
I mean
A Bedford Tiger and Perkins fans.
I heard they're allowing anchoring too.
So Bernhard Langer is gonna come in and beateverybody's ass.

(52:59):
Yeah.
Brian Shane, you're not far off here, man.
He said that Pull Hook Golf should be workingas the on-course reporters.
I would listen to any broadcast that's outthere.
We're 100% ready and willing to go.
Yeah.
Brent here over here is still playing, so hemight be out for that.

(53:23):
But Buttsy and I, unless Buttsy doesn't wannado it, but I got a feeling that Buttsy and I
being out there as your two course reporters.
No.
That could be dangerous stuff.
I would train so hard.
I'd be doing backflips.
Like, I'll learn how to do backflips while Iwas out there.
I was thinking about that today, actually,heading into this.
I'm like, what are my goals for 2025?

(53:46):
Yeah.
You doing a backflip, that would be special.
I'm personally not working on it.
But I
was sitting there going, okay.
My goal is for 2025.
I'm like, man, what if a broadcast actually didwant me to come in and, like, read a
teleprompter or whatever it is?
Like Yeah.
I would practice my absolute ass off when itcame to it.
I would try to perform it great for PGA TourLive.

(54:07):
I think you would bring a much-needed voice tothat, they they are lacking.
I think you get a start.
You're close enough to it.
I think you get a start somewhere along thelines here with this grass league, especially
my gosh.
I really I hope that that that
In terms of commentary.
You know?

(54:28):
I hope that all goes well.
So this was actually a question.
And as we're going through our expectations for2025, let's see, if I can go back to this, our
audience member, Trot Golfer, he wants to know,did Buttsy spill his grass league news to the

(54:49):
world?
No.
I forgot to tell us.
You did mention you were gonna say that ontonight's show.
God.
I can't really—there's no details, but,
Oh, now there's no
details.
You're so full of shit.
I will say that,
I will say
that the report and the desire to get out thereand hit some balls a couple nights a week, I

(55:11):
was told to start practicing.
So we'll see.
There you go.
There you go.
All right.
So
beyond that.
No deeds beyond that.
I like what Brent just said.
Can you bring that up?
Brent's first question to our tour player wouldbe, so do you really believe this shit?

(55:35):
Do you even care about anything that's going onhere?
No?
All right.
Moving on.
Next, I would be his first question.
Absolutely.
That would be priceless.
Yeah.
You can't hit that shot.
Give me that club.
Okay.
Moving into predictions.
Okay.
For 2025.
We're gonna do a little rapid fire here.

(55:57):
So, just state what you think it is, and I'mgonna start off all of these with you, Buttsy,
and then it's gonna be followed by Brent.
So, Buttsy, who do you think is gonna be themost dominant player in 2025?
Scottie Scheffler wins 10 times and maybe 2majors.

(56:17):
Tough not to say, Scottie.
But I'm gonna be on the I'm gonna be on thelookout for Xander here.
I think he's I think he's, got some unfinishedbusiness.
Love that you said that.
I'm gonna go Rory McIlroy.
I'm gonna go against the trend here.
Why is that?
Why?
Why?
I just...
Why?
I don't know, man.
I think,
No.

(56:38):
Not you, bud.
I got Brent over here doing sexual gestures
to a man
to a disabled man.
I mean, that guy has got way too much stuffgoing on.
There's no way.
He'll be able to win when he's comfortable, but
I'm just saying.
I think he's gonna have a hell of a year.
I think
I wish him all the best.

(56:59):
He had a lot of stuff going on in 2024, if yourecall.
He created
better wearing FootJoy before Nike put him onsteroids.
Like, it just yeah.
Neither of you like that one.
Who's gonna be the breakout player in 2025?
Buttsy.
Who's the, Hamilton?
Is that his name?

(57:19):
Like, the young kid played with Tiger.
He's kinda he's a thicker dude.
Played with Tiger.
Yeah.
He played with Tiger and, dude.
I forget his name.
He's thick, and he murders it.
Young guy.
He's got a mullet pretty much.
What's his name?
Jake?

(57:39):
Maybe.
You talking about an apple?
No.
He's not talking about
an apple.
Oh, you're talking about Neal Shipley.
Shipley.
Shipley.
The kid that played for Ohio State?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's Neal.
I screwed this up one time.
It's Shipley for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's phenomenal.
He won the U.S.
Amateur.
He can't take that away from him.
He's incredible.

(57:59):
But yeah, oh, breakout players.
Shows himself.
Breakout players.
Breakout players.
You know what?
I think that I think that Clanton kid justabsolutely steps on the gas.
Well, I really like that, and I was between himand Nick Dunlap, and I'm just gonna go Nick
Dunlap on this one.
I think Nick Dunlap after his season, hesettled in now and he's gonna get used to the

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golf courses.
I think that is one of the most overlookedaspects to a golfer coming on to the PGA Tour
is that these guys are seeing the golf courseusually for the first time.
And once they get to see it a couple times,they get real comfortable out there, don't
they, Brent?
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, there were times where I mean, like,for example, Torrey, I'll get his best example,

(58:47):
went out the year before Monday qualified andcame back on the PGA Tour the next year.
And, I was leading through, I think it was,like, 27 holes or something like that and
played well.
So, I mean, that's a perfect example.
And for Nick, I mean, the only question aboutDunlap is does he get too comfortable and does
he get lazy?
And, that can happen.
You get a lot of success pretty early.

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So I wish him all the best, but I don't knowhow I don't know how these kids handle it, man.
I mean, that's that is so much so much thruston those guys so early, and hopefully, they
don't have a dip like a Jordan Spieth orsomething like that.
But they keep rising, and we'll see.
I mean, he's incredible.
Absolutely.
Both are.

(59:29):
I mean, Luke Clanton too is just absolutelyphenomenal.
Yeah.
And I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Those were the two that were in my mind as thetwo potential breakouts in 2025.
So I'm
I'd be on the lookout, I'd be on the lookoutfor the guy, Bjornsson.
I think his last name is Michael, who's a PGATour U number 1.

(59:50):
Is he lefty?
No.
No.
No.
But I'm thinking of somebody else,
but I
know who you're talking about now.
Yeah.
I mean, so he was PGA Tour number 1.
He gets in every single event.
He's ahead of all the DP World.
He's ahead of all the the
Can I
stop you real quick?
I really hope he doesn't because I cannot sayhis last name to save my life.
Tor
Bjornsson.
Tor Bjornsson.

(01:00:11):
Yep.
That's it?
Yep.
You sure?
Okay.
100%.
Tor Bjornsson.
Tor yep.
Oh, I
can't look at if I see his last name writtendown, there's no chance I'm gonna
do that.
Let me just bring it up so I so I don't talk.
Tor Tor George Tor Bjorn Johnson.
Johnson.
Bjornsson.

(01:00:31):
Bjornsson.
Bjornsson.
Bjornsson.
Bjornsson.
Michael.
Michael Bjornsson.
Bjornsson.
So yeah.
Yeah.
We'll try to just go pee when you're sitting onan absolute tree and try to, like, work around
that
for a little later.
Tor Tor Bjornsson.
Happens to be every morning.
That should be your New Year resolution rightthere.
Learn his name?
No.
No.
No.
Just have great BMs every day like Buttsy.

(01:00:53):
He's just a picture of health.
But but, anyways, that I'd be on the lookoutfor that kid.
Okay.
Alright.
Let's keep this moving with, who's your Masterswinner this year?
Oh.
Shit.
Does Bryson get it done?
Fuck.
That'd be great.
That'd be crazy.
Sounds so stupid, but I think Brooks.

(01:01:17):
Really?
It's a solid pick.
Shit.
You know what?
I think Scottie would be 3-peats.
He absolutely 3-peats.
Damn.
The place is built for him.
I mean, he's an artist.
I mean, think about all the great Masterswinners.
They just work their way around that place justlike that.

(01:01:38):
He won twice.
Why not win it 3 times?
Okay.
Alright.
I'm also going Scotty for the Masters.
Now we've got the PGA.
Actually, you know what?
I'm gonna switch mine for the Masters winner.
Since you went Brooks there, Buttsy, and Brent,you went with Scottie Scheffler.

(01:01:58):
I'm gonna go Bryson for the Masters.
That would literally tear the world
Yeah.
If you
do that.
That's why I'm throwing it out there.
PGA Championship winner.
What do you think, Buttsy?
That might be one of the other.
I really think Scottie's gonna win 2 majors.

(01:02:19):
I don't think he's gonna win the Masters again,but I think yeah.
PGA?
PGA.
K.
Look out
for Wyndham.
Wyndham?
Okay.
And I've got stole Max's boyfriend.
Hey.
Listen.
PGA Championship, I'm going with Justin Thomas.
Woo hoo.
Hot pick.
Where is it at?

(01:02:39):
No idea.
If it's at if it's at Quail
it shouldn't matter.
It's at Quail Hollow.
It's either Rory or Justin.
So there you go.
Think it is at Quail Hollow.
No.
Then Rory McIlroy wins again.
I know.
Of which, I said he's going to be the mostdominant player in 2025, and yet I have not
picked him for,
any of the majors yet.

(01:03:01):
But there's two more to go.
So we got the U.S.
Open winner.
Shit.
Where is that at?
U.S.
Open this year.
At Oakmont.
Is it?
Yep.
Bryson wins again.
Oh, that was where Dustin won.
If it's at Oakmont.
I think Dustin's done, unfortunately, but Idon't know.

(01:03:24):
You think Bryson wins that one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a it's a putter score, so it's it would beso tough to to bet against Bryson.
Best putter in the world, especially with awith a fucking with a, mop that he puts down
before every every, every putt.
So, Yeah.
I think, I think gold old BD gets it done.

(01:03:45):
So I think U.S.
Open this year, Rory gets his revenge.
Rory McIlroy, winner.
K?
Now and Trot golfer just confirmed that QuailHollow is going to be the PGA Championship.
So that's why I got myself
Mister Luis and Tony.
Rory wins that one.
Which here's the thing.
I would love to say that Rory wins that one.

(01:04:07):
Oh, but Wyndham Wyndham won Wells Fargo.
So you know what?
I'm sticking with my boy.
Wyndham Wyndham.
It's absolutely soft.
I think between I think Buttsy actually, allthree of us have really good options there.
Now let's get to the Open Championship.
Where's the Open Championship this year?
Isn't it at it's not at Bethpage.
No.
No.

(01:04:27):
The Open Championship.
Oh,
Saint I think it's at St.
Andrews.
Is it back at
St.
Andrews?
It might be at St.
Andrews.
Try.
If you could look that up for us.
12 times.
I don't think he's got the chops to win 12times, but
But the Open Championship, hang on.

(01:04:48):
Let's see if I can
I'm going Tiger.
Solid pick.
Love that for you.
He won't be playing.
If he's even close to healthy.
He's not even playing.
Oh, so Royal Portrush.
That would be tough to, again, tough to voteagainst Rory there.

(01:05:08):
Rory might have one of those unbelievableseasons.
And, I mean, he needs it because
Or Shane Lowry.
Oh, Tommy Fleetwood would finally get it done?
Does Tommy Fleetwood get it done?
But I am going with Rory McIlroy yet again.
In my opinion, Rory's gonna get revenge at theU.S.

(01:05:28):
Open, and then he's finally gonna break throughat the Open Championship.
Okay.
What about the Players?
I I
And you can't forget Players?
Don't forget Tiger's event in the Bahamas.
Oh.
This may
be the Hero World Challenge.
You can't forget about that.
Can't wait
for that.
Why don't we start with the Hero WorldChallenge as the fifth major?

(01:05:52):
Who do you have, Buttsy?
That's I'm gonna go JT there.
JT for the Hero?
What about you, Brent?
Why why JT?
Why why JT?
I just think he likes it down there.
I mean, he rises to the pressure.
It's one of the biggest events that those guysplay, like I've said before.
And, yeah, that would be a breakout event forhim.

(01:06:13):
God, if he wins that, he goes on.
He might win every major the year after thatbecause, yeah, the golf course that they're up
against and the teeth that that thing puts outthere, it's, yeah.
Special.
Special place.
What about you, Brent?
What we got for the 2025 Hero World Challengeif Tiger gets it done.
Wow.
Tiger.
Awesome.
Okay.

(01:06:34):
Oh, Hideki could sneaky win either the Open orthe U.S.
Open.
Or the Masters.
Again.
Yeah.
Good.
Kind of bookend Scottie Scheffler.
So when there's a good handful of guys, I thinkwe'd probably be right about.
Well, at least they're relevant.
Right?
At least, you know, the guys that are actuallyrelevant in the conversation, which is good.

(01:07:00):
Who wins the Ryder Cup, gentlemen?
We do.
Absolutely.
Same.
Absolutely.
If we don't win by 6 points, it was a failure.
There we go.
So now let's do a really quick recap of the PNCChampionship where, guys, I gotta tell you,

(01:07:21):
after watching the PNC and seeing Tiger andCharlie get robbed by Bernhard Langer and his
cheating putter, I got to tell you, I thinkthere's got to be a stop to this.
There's got to be a stop to it.
And I'm starting to get angry about it.

(01:07:42):
Yeah.
Because there are some photos from the PNCwhere not only is it the forearm pinching up
against, and you see the crease in his shirt,but his hand had a crease just like that
underneath it.
And I'm just going
Yeah.
And he's not a big guy.

(01:08:02):
Right?
So it's like there's a crease.
It's that way.
Yeah.
He's definitely right there.
This is insane that they're just ignoring thisbecause it's blatant.
Like, it is blatant cheating.
And then, of course, a lot of people had anissue with him teeing it up in the bunker.
He found this little tiny, like, rise in thebunker and put his ball because you could have

(01:08:26):
a club length.
Right?
Oh, it's scramble.
Yeah.
Technically, that's not cheating, but a lot ofpeople thought it was.
Now I've got no issue with that.
But the anchoring is absolutely against therules.
Did he get to get up, like, 70 yards in frontof everybody else too, even though he was
averaging, like, 285 off the box?
That was the other thing too.

(01:08:47):
Absolute insanity when it comes to that.
Yeah.
I mean you still have
the before you made it.
The amazing, the biggest storyline wasCharlie's hole-in-one, which apparently was his
first one.
So that was pretty cool.
Although, oh, there you could tell how much ofa nerd Tiger is.
It's like, that's the rules.

(01:09:07):
You know, you gotta pay buy everybody a drink.
That's the rule.
I'm like, no father would ever say that likethat to their son ever.
And he'd be like
You know, he probably regretted thatimmediately because John Daly, I heard, just
showed up immediately thereafter demanding forhis beverages.
Big resort too.
I bet you that's exactly what I
The Ritz-Carlton in Orlando.

(01:09:28):
Beautiful place.
Oh, we know where that is, Buttsy?
Oh,
yeah.
Buttsy Brian would, throws out there thatanother great question Buttsy can ask.
Tell our viewers why you suck.
That'd be pretty good.
I'd like to see it.
Oh, shit.

(01:09:48):
Get him back to the PNC.
I don't know.
Like, how is this going to stop?
I think we just got to keep talking about itwith Bernhard Langer.
Bernhard
Langer.
Stop.
It's not gonna stop.
You know?
I feel like it's got to.
It's cheating.
But even Tiger, like, in regards to their play,he almost seemed sheepish in his commentary.

(01:10:12):
Like, he was being a little facetious.
So I don't know.
What can you say, man?
The guy made everything.
Like, he made everything out there.
The way he was rolling it.
Wow.
Like, almost like he's, like, I don't wanna sayhe was hinting at it, but, like, alright, dude.
You're cheating.
Yeah.
I've just who makes that call?
Is it the official at the golf tournament?

(01:10:33):
Does he have to call it on himself?
Like, it's bad, man, and it's bad for the game.
Yeah.
I don't think anybody's gonna call him on it.
If they were, they would've done it already.
They're not gonna, yeah.
Because then they gotta go back and stripeverything.
I really hope that it stops.
I'm just gonna be like, I think he's retiringsoon.
Like, it's almost over.

(01:10:56):
We can't go back now.
I bet you that's what they probably thought.
They're like, oh, he's on the Champions Tour,and then, oh, shit.
He's, like, winning everything.
And then all of a sudden, it's like, well, he'sretiring soon.
And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, shit.
He just beat Tiger on a national stage, andit's clear that the guy is cheating.

(01:11:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what's so ridiculous.
Right?
Is that if you look at any other time, right,these guys have been gone after for—I mean,
Vijay had to sue the Tour for defamationbecause they went after him for deer antler
spray, and you had multiple situations wherethe PGA Tour has just dismissed the fact that

(01:11:41):
players popped on their drug tests, and theysaid they were injured and would only be out
for this amount of time or the fact that itjust conveniently drug testing happened to
start right after Tiger got done.
You know, all those different things that thePGA Tour just, you know, sidesteps this and
sidesteps that, and, he's anchoring.
He's making money.

(01:12:02):
So I
think we just gotta get over it.
It ain't going nowhere.
No.
I know.
And he's not retiring, by the way.
Not retiring.
Let him let
him do this.
Let's just I it's just a spit in the face
as a golf fan.
You know what?
Matt, as a fellow professional, I totally agreewith you.
I I
guess somebody else is gonna have to do it.

(01:12:23):
That's when it'll stop.
Well, I think Trot Golf needs to get a classaction suit together and needs to
sue action.
Bernhard Langer and the Tour for falseadvertisement.
And, anything else you can stick in there andjust go ahead and take them for all they got.
My thing is, though, even back when the ruledidn't exist, it wasn't like he went to

(01:12:48):
anchoring and then he just started like,whoever did that was the best putter in the
world and beat everybody.
Like no.
And it obviously works for him, but, yeah.
It yeah.
I don't think you can say that's the onlyreason he's winning.
No.
But it is because that's the
only he has the yips.
He legit has the yips.
Like, he cannot putt with a normal putter.

(01:13:10):
Yeah.
So I guess that that's the question, right?
So if the whole point was to make somebody makean actual, you know, in the definition of
making a putting stroke, and he's not doingthat, then regardless of what we see on camera
or what we see in photos or whatever, thesimple fact of the matter is he can't make an

(01:13:33):
actual playing stroke.
So do you act like the Reggie Bush thing and goback and take, you know, his titles away and
say, well, because you were cheating the entiretime, then you gotta go back.
And
I would.
I would say fuck it at this point.
It's like, man, let's go back and take awayeverything.

(01:13:54):
Fuck that.
Anytime that he used that long putter andthere's visual proof that he was anchoring in
some fashion, then, yeah, let's go back.
Let's throw the asterisk.
They do it in every other sport.
I mean, shit, in baseball, Barry Bonds isn'teven in the Hall of Fame yet.
So it's like, yeah, if everybody else is gonnahold everybody else to all these standards, why
the hell is golf?

(01:14:15):
We're supposed to be like that's what is sofake about the game, right?
Is that this is supposed to be a gentleman'sgame.
This is supposed to be this and that.
And yet none of the guys can be themselves,talk trash and, like, be themselves out there
on the golf course because they're worriedabout corporate sponsors.
And then you got something like this where arules infraction by somebody who's winning and

(01:14:36):
nobody has the balls to sit there and go, hey,Bernhard, you're cheating.
Like, we're gonna literally take away every winthat you've ever had because you're cheating
and it's blatant.
Yeah.
I mean, all of the outrage is not selective byany means.
And I think anybody that's watched the showover the last however many years you've been

(01:14:59):
doing this should understand that we're notpissed off right now because of this one thing.
It's a continual pattern of just the tourshowing that, and I texted you guys this
earlier last week, but the bottom line is thatthey don't give a shit.

(01:15:20):
They don't care.
And they're gonna make the decisions that theyfeel are best for them and their sponsors and
their people and fuck the common man.
And that's where I want there to be like, 2025,I want it to be the year of authenticity,
especially with pro golf, that it needs tobecome real
or
else it's going to go away.

(01:15:41):
Like, the viewership is going to continue todecrease, in my opinion.
I don't think we're going up.
Oh, it's not an it's oh, it's you you can sayit as a fact, and you can and you can have
multiple data points to back it up.
You know, to say that to say that somehow thisyear, the 2024 and 2023 were somehow kind of an

(01:16:01):
outlier, is a ridiculous thing.
It's not an outlier.
It's it's part of a trend that has beenhappening for quite some time.
And the reason why everybody's watching15-second golfers versus the PGA Tour or even
in this case, the LIV Tour, is because at theend of the day, we're all starting to pick up

(01:16:22):
on the fact that the corporate entities thathave run all of all of our game, by the way,
and this includes the R&A, the USGA, and allthese other bodies in golf, the bureaucracy,
are absolutely full of shit.
And, by the way, they act completely contraryto any other sport.
The NBA, the NFL, the MLB, they don't act likethat, and yet the top players want to be paid

(01:16:49):
like those sports.
But, you know, just doesn't work that way.
There you go.
Love you too, buddy.
You've got a fan in Trop.
Now with that said, let's head into the previewof the Sentry that's happening this week.
It's gonna start on January 2, which isThursday.
This is at the beautiful Plantation Course atKapalua in Maui, Hawaii.

(01:17:10):
Yep.
Designers are Crenshaw and Coore.
Established in 1991.
Par 73, 7,596 yards.
Chris Kirk won it last year with a score of 21under par.
This, this one used to be the Sentry Tournamentof Champions.

(01:17:33):
Now they've changed that.
So no longer do you have to win.
You have to be.
There's certain criteria that goes into it aswell.
But, you got a much larger field now with thisvery first event.
I'm gonna go over the betting odds real quickwith Xander Schauffele being plus 800, Collin
Morikawa plus 1,000, Justin Thomas plus 1,200,Ludvig Åberg at plus 1,400, Patrick Cantlay

(01:17:57):
plus 1,600.
Hovland is out with a toe injury.
Sungjae Im, plus 2,000.
Hideki Matsuyama, plus 2,100.
Tony Finau, plus 2,500.
And then Scottie Scheffler is also out as hecarved up his hand with some glass apparently,

(01:18:18):
over the holidays.
Ouch.
Viktor Hovland stubbed his toe, by the way, ona bed frame.
Haven't we all done that?
His pinky toe broke to the side.
Oh, shit.
We've all done that.
What's that, Buttsy?
We have a photo of that.
I want a photo
of that.
He posted the X-ray on social media.

(01:18:40):
Okay.
Yeah.
That little pinky toe is, like, off to theside.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No good.
No good.
So
yeah.
They redid the greens at Kapalua a couple ofyears ago.
Before that, it was kinda just a dart show.
But it's, the reason why it's so long isbecause there's a lot of rolling hills, and I

(01:19:02):
think the last two or three holes are allstraight downhill, including the 18th par 5,
which is famous for Bubba Watson hitting twodrivers with a total amount of 300 yards in
both directions.
So, yeah.
It's a great place.
The weather looks great.

(01:19:22):
Wind is gonna be a little bit windy the firstcouple of days, and then it calms down.
Those guys are gonna absolutely knife thatplace apart.
Isn't that where JT had, like, his breakoutseason too?
Yeah.
He absolutely lost all of his sponsors with thehot mic during 2020.
2021.
Excuse me.
Way back when he first came out and, like, Ithink he won twice real quick.
Did he win there?
He won 2017.

(01:19:43):
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I got him.
Beautiful.
Yep.
Brent, who's your pick?
I think Ludvig Aberg gets it done.
Yeah.
God, me and you have been on the samewavelength tonight.
The Berg.
Yeah.
I feel like I gotta pick somebody else.
That's your pick.
So fucking good.
I am gonna go.

(01:20:06):
Oh, man.
I don't like this.
You took my pick.
Gotta be somebody long.
You know?
Good.
You know, it'd be tough to beat out there.
He's playing at home.
Coming off of a knee injury.
That's what he blamed the whole, him pullingout of some tournaments for.

(01:20:27):
So, you know, we're just talking about thisgentleman, Hideki Matsuyama.
Let's see if he can get the
He plays well
there.
Started.
He plays really well there.
Troy asked an interesting question.
I'd love to see you guys' your takes on that.
If you wanna bring that up, Matty.
What's that?
Where?

(01:20:47):
On this one?
Yeah.
That's all.
There's no
take on how to play mud balls.
What do you guys think?
I think it depends on—I mean, Tiger addressedthis way back—what side of the ball the mud's
on.
Right?
Correct.
It flies to the opposite side.
Yeah.
The weight's gonna and then if the mud comesoff, you gotta worry about that.

(01:21:07):
But the spin is obviously gonna be reduced.
Yeah.
If you're hitting a wedge, probably not playingthe number.
Like, you're probably trying to run somethingin, I would imagine.
If I had a mud ball with a wedge, I'd probablyplay in front of the green.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Yeah, Matt.
I actually totally agree.

(01:21:27):
I mean, it's mud left, ball right.
Mud right, ball left.
But it also depends on the mud consistency, howmuch is on it.
I always found that if it's that red, thatkinda red clayish or any sort of clay, just
good luck, and you've got absolutely no ideawhere that ball is going.
But if it's that real soft stuff that you see,you know, kinda in the Southeast, like in some

(01:21:51):
of the Florida courses that you see, it'll comeoff, but it will shoot the golf ball in those
directions generally.
If it's on the front, you're gonna see a dive,and then it's an absolute crapshoot if it's
between the ball and the face.
Yeah.
Yep.
100.
The guy says Decky's going to LIV.

(01:22:13):
PGC, which I believe is referring to Pro GolfCritic on Twitter, who's an absolute hack, and
his buddies said, it's so stir stick.
So, yeah, these guys are just absolute morons.
That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

(01:22:37):
Wait.
We're only a little bit moronic, not absolutemorons.
I gotta tell you.
I think I don't know.
We're doing great.
Maybe I'm off, but I feel like we actually knowwhat the hell we're talking about.
Well, we do, but it's just one of those thingswhere it's funny because, you know, we talk
about YouTube golf, and I am so disconnected.

(01:22:57):
But the amazing part about that is there are somany so-called podcasts that talk the way they
talk, and yet it's either you're so farridiculous that you're trying to get clicks or
you fall in line.
Well, that's his
and this guy
is one of those because he's got a Twitterhandle.
Mhmm.
And he literally just loves himself, LIV Golf,and that's it.

(01:23:21):
And he claims to, like,
I don't know.
And the guy's just a freaking idiot to me.
Get him on
the pod
with dodge on it just to be that way on partlike.
Yeah.
It's like the baiting of clickbait.
And it's always that type of style with hisaccount, and it's just obnoxious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's like it's like if, like, was actuallyserious about what he was saying, like, it'd be

(01:23:45):
like that.
Yes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's like the Hero World Challenge being the5th major.
But if he was serious
I'm actually dead serious.
Yeah.
He's dead serious with that.
Now let's go to pro golf in 2025.
What are you most looking forward to?

(01:24:12):
I don't wanna say this.
The Nothing?
Nothing.
Well, not necessarily the merger.
I mean, that would be kinda neat from a golffan's perspective.
But I do like the fact that we're gonna haveother products.
Mhmm.
You
know, they used to do, like, the little Battleat Bighorn under the lights and shit like that.
And there were all these little one-off,one-time deals where they do an alternative

(01:24:37):
product and put it out there for a night.
The Match, you know, tried and failed there, Ithink.
But is it the TGC?
Is that what it's called?
The TGL.
TGL?
Sorry.
I don't You
also got the Ryder Cup next year.
I like that.
I like that there's gonna be more golf towatch.
Yeah.
That's it for me, man.

(01:24:57):
I just think you're gonna have some more golfto watch for both of you.
To more of
these matches happening on YouTube.
Like, I don't necessarily subscribe to that andwanna watch it, but I can understand why 90% of
the golfing public likes that shit.
So more of that happening.
I don't know.
I'm out on whether it's good for the game, butit's cool that more people are watching it.

(01:25:20):
Love that.
Brent, what about you, Beau?
The thing I'm looking forward to most, fromprofessional golf is, Monday qualifying for a
bunch of tournaments and making a shitload ofmoney.
That's the thing I'm looking forward to.
Well done.
Love that.
For me, it's the Ryder Cup.
Yeah.
And
I'm kinda with you too

(01:25:41):
As a fan
the merger.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
I just don't wanna hear about LIV Golf PGA Touranymore.
No.
I don't wanna be stuck in the middle of thewhole damn thing.
Just figure it out, man.
Have this year, if I remember correctly, and Iknow I joined you guys kind of midway through
the deal, but was there really anything goingon aside from a rumor here or there that ended

(01:26:05):
up going away in 2.5 seconds?
And then the fact that
all it's been.
That's why Matt's sick of it.
It's just been one, you know,
over the last couple of years.
Deal has been done.
The deal has been done.
Like, yeah.
And all they waited for was the election.
It's just been smoke screens throughout thatare trying to deter away from people realizing

(01:26:25):
what the heck is actually really going on,which is just trying to create some type of
excuse as to why it hasn't gone through yet.
I'm just going to be excited when that wholething's done.
Ryder Cup, though, I always get pumped for theRyder Cup, and I want the U.S.
to just kick their ass this year at Bethpage.
I hope the fans show up.

(01:26:46):
I hope the fans show up.
You know, the north of town.
Is it's gonna be a million freaking dollars togo out there.
Did you see the price of these tickets?
Oh, God.
Which granted, it's gonna be a bunch of richNew Yorkers is what it's going to be that are
gonna be out there.
They're, like, $1,500 a ticket.
Oh, wow.
At a public golf course, by the way.

(01:27:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if you wanna go watch this, you're in for ayou're in for $5k minimum before you even
fucking sniff anything.
Like, before you get out there.
Yeah.
This is what I'm talking about.
This right here is why we are like, there's anice level of just being pissed off about this
whole thing.
And that right there is just the fucking cherryon the top of pile of shit.

(01:27:32):
And you're telling me that at at at a at one ofmy Got the visual.
Public golf courses in the world.
They have a sign that says, don't fucking playhere if you can't break par.
And you're telling me that we're gonna just goahead and box out everybody that actually cares
about golf and that will make it an excitingtournament, and you're just gonna make it for

(01:27:54):
those that can afford it?
Well, I suppose it's part of what it's about.
Every Ryder Cup, though.
Right?
Like...
Yeah.
But this place is different.
Keegan's not a fucking, you know...
yeah.
He's a homegrown kid, but it's supposed to beabout the groundswell of the American public
being behind this tournament to fucking getthese guys to pull their head out of their ass

(01:28:18):
and go play some fucking golf.
Not how much they're paying for fuckingtickets,
which is I mean, they would be the whole RyderCup selection, too.
I'm going to be really interested to see if heactually picks Bryson and Brooks, which are
perfect fits for that golf course.

(01:28:38):
You got to be a bomber.
You have to be a bomber at Bethpage.
That's the bottom line.
So they can play.
Correct?
Because it's a PGA.
It's a PGA of America thing, which the PGA ofAmerica has let them into the PGA Championship.
So I assume all picks are on the table.
I mean, only one guy.

(01:28:58):
Got only one guy.
I think we've had it confirmed.
Now Keegan did raise some eyebrows when hesaid, I'm gonna pick the best players, period.
Mhmm.
Well, and he can do that.
And you know what?
I will be lockstep with whatever he chooses.
That guy is a stud.
I mean, he knows that.
And I don't think he's afraid either.
He kinda has that chip on his shoulder to wherehe's like, alright, fire me then as the

(01:29:21):
captain.
So we'll see what ends up playing out with allof that.
Let's get into some personal goals here,gentlemen.
Brent, what's your personal goals for thisyear?
You sure you wanna hear
it?
I wanna hear it.
Oh, gosh.
Personally, it has nothing to do with golf.
Oh, no.
Golf related.

(01:29:42):
Sorry.
Get golf related.
Let's keep this in the golf lane.
Yeah.
It's like pop out 12 more children.
No.
My wife doesn't want one more at least.
But, no.
As far as golf's concerned, I would love to seemy work pay off.
It's been quite a long time, and the goal is towin either a Korn Ferry or a PGA Tour event

(01:30:07):
this year, but consistently, putt well and Iwas going to sell my mother-in-law for
seriously?
for tickets, but I think I can get more oh,Jesus.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Oh, 100%.
That's beautiful.
But, yeah, win a PGA Tour or Korn Ferry Tourevent and put on a show with a flat stick.

(01:30:31):
How about both?
How about both of those?
How about we have a Korn Ferry Tour win and aPGA Tour win?
That'd be something else.
That'd be great.
Right?
Be a good year.
Buttsy, what about you, man?
Oh, I think I talked about it a little bitearlier.
Like I said, no one loves a blacked-outSaturday around more than me, but I think I'd
like to start engaging in something I used todo when I was a lot younger.

(01:30:55):
And just the grind of it, get back into thegrind a little bit more, maybe, you know,
become a better player and just tee it up insome shit.
Even if it's local little, you know, $200, $300tournaments, just have a reason to go out and
grind and get a little better at golf again.
It's a good thing I moved back to the Valleythen.
It's on.
It's on.
Like Donkey Kong.

(01:31:17):
Now, for myself
Yeah, Matty.
Give it to us.
Come on.
Last year heading into the new year, before Igot to it, I've had a rough 2024 health-wise.
If I kind of look back for three months, I washit with long COVID at the beginning of the
year, which deterred and derailed all themomentum that I had coming into the year

(01:31:38):
because I was training to start playingprofessionally again or at least give it that
kind of one last shot at it.
I was training with a golf instructor, had themental coach, had my fitness trainer, and
everything was heading in the right direction.
And, man, I just got absolutely hit with that,and that's how I'm kinda ending the year as

(01:32:00):
well here.
But I would say that for 2025, I've got two biggolf goals.
One is to play more.
Mhmm.
Okay?
And when I'm talking about playing more, Iwanna play some competitive golf.
And kinda like you, Buttsy, kinda same thing.
Doesn't have to be, like, I'm going to playMonday qualifiers or anything like that.

(01:32:21):
I wanna play some competitive golf and get mygolf game back.
And then the second part to it is I want to doa broadcast at some point.
Yeah, a golf broadcast, and hopefully thatopportunity presents itself.
But that's my other goal for 2025 golf-wise.

(01:32:43):
So, 1, start playing some more golfcompetitively, and then, 2, do a golf broadcast
at some point.
Now our podcast goals for 2025.
I was gonna say, we need to touch on thatbecause it'd be nice to see this thing, you
know, do a little moonshot.
Yeah.

(01:33:03):
So our podcast goals for 2025, number 1, youalways want to increase listenership year over
year.
This year, we made some big jumps.
We basically went from about right aroundroughly 10,000 listeners to over 30,000 this
year.
So average.

(01:33:25):
That being said, I would love to see thatnumber be at least 60,000 by the end of next
year.
And, I mean, the big hairy aggressive goal isto get over 100,000 listeners on a weekly basis
for the Pull Hook Golf podcast.
The second thing, and I'll be perfectly, oh,well, let me go back to that real quick.

(01:33:46):
How do we accomplish that?
By creating great content for our audience.
So the one thing that I request from ouraudience moving forward is more engagement.
Let us know what you want us to be talkingabout, what you liked about episodes.
Help us get there in terms of the content thatyou want to see because you're very much a part

(01:34:07):
of this show along with us.
Now with that, we're gonna be perfectlystraightforward and say that we also want to
increase the money around the show.
We want to increase our sponsorships andpartnerships.
We've made a big move with DevRel Golf and arelooking for some more.
We do have some more sponsors coming in at thebeginning of 2025, so that's exciting, but we

(01:34:34):
really want to increase those revenue numbersaround it as a whole.
And then, ultimately, we had some delays aroundthis last piece, which was a big goal at the
end of last year that we thought we were goingto be able to launch.
We've had some issues around it just due to,I'm not going

(01:34:54):
It is what it is.
I'm not going to go into detail around it, butwe got screwed over a bit.
But it's the launch of our YouTube golf channelwhere we have matches, and that's something
that we're hoping to get launched at some pointthis year.
You know, the delay has—I don't know if it'sbeen a good thing.

(01:35:16):
There's got to be a silver lining theresomewhere.
But, I will say that launching the YouTube golfchannel will be a priority for the podcast.
Well, the silver lining is that we learned howto go out and do it
and quickly.
Yeah.
Very
capture the footage and get the audio rightand, you know, how to play along so that the

(01:35:37):
audience knows what's going on, hole to hole,all that shit.
And we do have a backlog of footage that'sprobably fucking amazing.
We just need to get somebody to edit.
Oh god.
Sounds like we're gonna have an off-cameraconversation.
If, by the way, any audience members know arising star video editor, let us know.

(01:36:00):
We are looking to interview for this role.
It's gonna be a big role moving into this year,or into 2025.
So, and it's gonna be big around the YouTubegolf content with us playing golf.
So that is a big piece of this whole ordeal.
Any final comments, Brent?

(01:36:20):
You mentioned something, but I do wanna bringup Brian here.
He says if Brent wins this season, I dare himto say during his post-round presser, yeah, I
don't really give a shit.
Oh, okay.
Done.
Alright.
Brent already has a reputation.
We do not need to exacerbate this entire rep.

(01:36:43):
But I don't care?
Yeah.
What do
you think about this guy from Barstool?
I have no fucking clue.
What about this guy named Beef?
Wasn't that done before?
I'm pretty sure Brian Johnston already didthat.
It's due for me.
Boys, this is horrible timing.
Parting comments here.
Like I said, I'm sitting on an absolute10-point buck right now.

(01:37:05):
So,
Why are you too hard?
No.
No.
I mean, like, turd.
I gotta
get that.
Yeah.
I was like, I was getting really weirded outhere for a second.
Big sandwich earlier.
I've had, like, six bottles of water sittinghere.
Dude, I'd love to see.
You know what?
How about this goal from the podcast?
We all get incrementally healthier as the yeargoes on.

(01:37:28):
I need it, man.
I need a bath.
Yes.
I'm a I'm a I'm a put that one on the top.
Even thinking about it, like, the first threemonths of this year felt like a different year.
I didn't realize it was the same freaking year.
I've been sick a lot this year.
And my wife kept telling me that.
I'm like, I don't really think I have been.
And then sure enough, just talking with youguys, I'm like, oh, shit.
Yeah.
I was down and out for the first time.

(01:37:49):
We gotta get you in the sauna, bro.
That's like blood work done, some vitamins,some AG1 or some shit.
You know?
Yeah.
There you go.
That sauna.
Alright.
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That is three e's in there, folks.

(01:38:10):
So it's
And until next time.

(01:38:47):
Paytown down.

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