September 11, 2025 • 50 mins
Matt Cook and Brent Grant dive into Bryson DeChambeau's caddie experience, offering insights into his short game. The episode highlights Brent's PGA Tour comeback and his engagement with social media. They introduce a pre-preview of the 2025 Ryder Cup, discussing predictions and Keegan Bradley's potential captaincy. First-timers on the Ryder Cup team and an analysis of the European squad are explored, along with Jon Rahm's pivotal role. Bryson's ban from Silverado and Brent's perspective on the course are debated. They reflect on the Napa Valley tournament experience, delve into the future of Grass League Golf, and discuss Ryder Cup ticket pricing implications. Wrapping up, Brent shares his preparation for Q School.
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Track golfer, I do want to bring this upbecause I saw this and I'm like, this is
actually a pretty good idea.
Bryson should go caddie for someone if he wantsto be part of the team.
How funny would that be?
And I don't know if the PGA Tour would haveallowed it, but that would have been pretty
impressive.
If somebody on the team was like, hey, caddie,take a week off, Bryson's gonna caddie for me.
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And Bryson was actually game for going outthere and caddying for one of his team members.
I think that would actually build a lot of teamcamaraderie right there and it would lead to
some great content too because he could filmeverything afterwards.
Obviously, he can't do that at the event.
PGA Tour bans that, but he could filmeverything afterwards and around the team and
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everything along those lines.
I think that actually would have been a prettygood content idea.
So not really sure how that fits in but youknow, I mean,
Goes to your great coaching though.
I mean,
Except for the fact that he sprayed it all overthe place, but I guess he'd sprayed it not too
bad.
But his short game was unbelievable that weekas well.
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But yeah.
It's and it's always in good shape, but it'salso in Napa.
So, I mean, Mhmm.
You go out there, it's a tragedy.
Going to the French Laundry.
Yeah.
The guys are drinking wine.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a reason why it's okay that theentire U.S.
team was required to play the tournament.
Because they're all like, okay.
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Most of us are married now.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our co-host, Mister BrentGrant, back on the program.
As most of you, if you have been following thispodcast, Brent has been on quite a bit on this
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program as our tour insider.
And more recently, he's been absolutelygrinding getting back into gear when it comes
to professional golf.
And so he's been playing a lot in regards tomini tour events like the Asher Tour in
preparation for leading up to the Q School forthe PGA Tour and in hopes to regain his card
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and to get back onto the PGA Tour in 2026.
So he's gonna be having a little bit of acountdown that's been going on on social media.
So make sure to take a look at his account onInstagram.
I imagine you are on Instagram if that's Yeah.
That's the place where you're posting all ofthe content.
Right?
Yep.
Yep.
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Don't have anything else.
Very good.
That makes it simple for the listeners to beable to go on there and catch you.
What's your handle on Instagram?
Brent Grant, golf.
So brent underscore grant golf.
And if you're seeing this content as well, youcan absolutely, there will be the information
for Brent down at the bottom.
He will be invited as a collaborator on ourreels for this episode.
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So make sure to go follow Mr.
Brent Grant.
Follow that journey and his way back onto thePGA Tour.
We've got Issa F over there.
Evening partners, evening to you as well.
We've got a great show here tonight.
It's the 2025 Ryder Cup pre-preview show.
So we're gonna be talking a bit aboutSilverado.
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We're gonna be talking about the Ryder Cup,some of the comments that Bryson DeChambeau
made, and that should wrap up a nice littleepisode here this evening.
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But folks, let's get into this episode.
Let's talk a little bit of this Ryder Cupscenario that is coming up.
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So Mister Brent Grant, I mean, you've been onthis program numerous times.
You know how this goes.
And the first question that I got for you, goodsir, is who is going to win the Ryder Cup this
year at Bethpage Black?
Who you got?
Oh, man.
I think we're gonna get our asses absolutelywhipped this year.
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Wow.
That is shocking.
And I happen to be wearing, like, the yellowand blue that kinda I just realized because the
other Johnny Walker Devereux shirt that I have,the polo, is like a navy blue with the kind of
red.
So clearly that's Europe versus the UnitedStates.
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So I'm playing into it, but why do you thinkthat?
I mean, is it just the camaraderie of theEuropean team?
Does Bethpage just happen to play well forthem?
I mean, talk to us a little bit about why yousay that.
So obviously, the team is all but one playerexactly the same.
I mean, technically, they look the same becauseRasmus and his brother are identical twins, and
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their games really aren't too dissimilar.
But I would say, ultimately, what it comes downto is the fact that you have, I personally
believe, you have too many young guys on thisRyder Cup team that are not what you would call
seasoned in the fire of competitive, likehyper-competitive, hyper-pressure-packed golf.
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That's not to say they're not incredibleplayers because, obviously, they are.
But the European squad is full of guys thathave been playing great golf all year long.
And they're coming off, you know, I mean, atthe end of the day, they're the exact same team
by the exact same captain.
So there's not really gonna be a whole lot ofextra details that Keegan is gonna have to put
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up with.
You know?
And so I think it's just gonna be easier forthem to be more of a team, play better as a
team, and not to mention the fact that half thesquad is pretty pissed off that, you know,
Scottie's been kicking their ass all year long.
So they're all ready to go.
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But I mean, Tommy's been playing well.
Ludwig's been playing well.
So
I
I look forward to it.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the US teamdoing too well.
So let's talk a little bit about Keegan Bradleyas the captain of Team America or Team USA.
And did you agree with him not picking himselfand remaining just as the captain?
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I think it showed an enormous amount ofhumility and grace to turn himself down.
I mean, because that's essentially what itcomes down to.
He could've made the executive decision, that'swhy they call them captain's picks, and he
could've played.
And there's nothing statistically that youcould say, well, you know, he hasn't been
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playing.
No, he's been playing great.
And certainly better than probably the bottomfour or five guys.
But that leaves out the fact that Keegan is thetype of person that is going to put the team's
needs above himself.
And that's something that a true leader does.
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And so it gives me a lot of hope, and it showsthat he's willing to make the hard choices.
So, I hope it does fill the—I mean, if I was inthat locker room, I would be absolutely charged
up to go play for this guy because I know he'swilling to put it on the line for me.
So as we talk about that, some of thefirst-timers for the U.S., how do you think
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they're gonna perform at a golf course likeBethpage Black under this type of rowdiness
that's going to go on?
Do you think it's gonna calm them down being onhome territory, or is that something that could
ruffle the feathers a little bit for some ofthese guys for the first time?
Yeah.
It's tough.
You know, obviously, living in Phoenix likeyou, we hear a lot of stories about Spaun, and
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we've known, you know, I've known of him, andI've known him for a few years now.
And, you know, I played on the Korn Ferry Tourwith Ben Griffin.
Obviously, I've been, you know, I played on thetour.
So I know all of those guys that are on theteam.
It just doesn't seem like they're the type ofguys to go out there and, at least the
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first-timers that is, aside from maybe Henley,to go out there and to get punched in the mouth
and punch back even harder.
They don't seem like the type of guys that ifthey're down, you know, let's say it's six to
two—well, what is it?
Twelve—how many points are on the first day?
It's like eight points.
Right?
Mhmm.
I think.
Something like that.
So let's say they're down six to two after thefirst day or whatever it ends up breaking down
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as.
I just don't see them coming back after beingpunched in the mouth.
And that's kinda what you need.
I mean, the scrappiness is what the Europeanshave always had.
So that's why they're able to go into thesedifferent environments and play just fine.
Now, I know I asked you whether or not you feltlike Keegan made the right decision.
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However, and yes, I totally understand theangle that it could pump up the players, make
them feel even more, you know, part of thisteam with Keegan and everything, but given
Keegan's experience and the fieriness of aKeegan Bradley out there on the golf course and
he was playing.
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I mean, he did finish in the top 12 of guys.
So it wouldn't have been like he picked himselfoutside of the ranks that would have been
considered for the Ryder Cup.
So talk to me a little bit about whether or notyou think that the team would have been better
with him in there versus one of thesefirst-time guys.
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Yeah.
It's again, just strictly off the top.
He said from the beginning that if you'reoutside the top 12, don't expect to get a spot.
And I'm pretty sure there's at least one guy onthat list that got a spot that has not played
good golf in quite a while.
Who's that?
Regardless of whether or not he's thequote-unquote best putter on planet Earth,
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which I don't even remotely.
Who are you referring to?
Sam Burns does not belong on the Ryder
Cup. Do
Do you think Scottie Scheffler might have had alittle say in Sam Burns being on a
100%.
So the way it broke down last time for Paris, Imean, not to mention the fact that I talked to
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a buddy of mine that was kind of close in andaround the group of guys that went over to
Paris.
And it was like they were so disorganized.
They didn't know what they were doing.
You know, Scottie and Brooks didn't even knowthat they were playing together until, like,
two hours before their match and all kinds ofstuff like that.
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So the hope is that Keegan, with hisexperience, is able to dial those things in.
However, if you're not playing well going intothe Ryder Cup, I don't see all of a sudden just
breaking out and going, oh, yeah.
I'm just gonna go ahead and dominate.
Because the guys that were the dominatingplayers, you know, five, ten, fifteen years
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ago, they don't exist anymore.
That talent pool is much, much, much smallernow.
I mean, even Patrick Cantlay.
I mean, I'm not even sure how he made it insidethe top 30.
I never saw his name one time all year long.
I mean, it shows you how bad the PGA Tourcoverage is if you have a guy that's in the top
30 that you don't see him all year.
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But that's neither here nor there.
But I just think that the bottom half of theteam is not are not guys that I would ever
depend on in a pinch.
Keegan, I would 100% depend on in a pinch.
I mean, the stories that Pepsi told me aboutthe Ryder Cup playing with Phil, just that one
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Ryder Cup alone would be enough to fillsomebody's career with enough experience to be
able to play great.
And he has.
I mean, he's obviously been playing well thelast few years.
But yeah.
I mean, at the end of the day, it's a good oldboys club.
So, I mean, I'm sure Scottie had something todo with it.
Now, let's talk a little bit about the Europeanside that you do believe are going to take this
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win in New York State, in Long Island, out atBethpage Black, which is a beast of a golf
course.
Everybody who is a golf aficionado knows thesign that sits out there.
That is a warning to golfers that the BlackCourse is an extremely difficult golf course,
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so talk to me.
Alright?
I know you may not have had a ton of experienceout at Bethpage.
I can probably speak to it a little bit betterbeing a New Yorker and playing out there
numerous times, and that was one of my go-togolf courses that if I was losing money
matches, you better believe you're gonna playme out at Bethpage Black because that I felt
like I had a big advantage over a lot of guysout there playing that golf course.
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So to me, there is definitely an angle for thetype of player that is going to play well
there, and it's not necessarily somebody thatputts extremely well.
So talk to me.
Who do you like on the European team that youreally think is going to stand out?
Well, let's see.
So we've got Fleetwood, obviously, right offthe top.
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I mean, unbelievable ball striker.
He's riding high.
He's been playing great.
And he does play well in the Ryder Cup.
I mean, he's just as much of a fiery guy asanybody out there.
And the simple fact that, I mean, he's playedthe best out of everybody.
That's
Yeah.
I agree.
I mean
Outside of Scottie Scheffler.
I mean, in the last four events that he'splayed, he's got two or three seconds and a
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win.
So, yeah.
I mean, definitely trending.
And then we'll see what Rory shows up.
Obviously, well,
Rory just won over on the
DP World Tour.
Won the Irish Open.
Win his own home event.
So, obviously, he's got a fire in him, which isgreat.
And it's definitely not bad for the game ofgolf to have Rory McIlroy playing well.
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And, I mean, we've seen it for a decade now.
Rory McIlroy is by far one of the best playersto play in the Ryder Cup for a number of
reasons.
And well, yeah.
See, so the Trotgolf says the Euros willprobably have to get four points on-site.
Sorry.
Over.
Yeah.
That's pretty bad.
But yeah.
I mean, it's we'll see how that ends upbreaking out.
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It sounds like a complete beat down.
But but, yeah, I mean, so and then let's see.
Who else do we have?
We have Sepp.
You got the list there, Maddie?
Ryder Cup Euro team.
Let's see.
Oh, I can pull it up for you.
Here we go.
Sorry.
I was looking at the comments.
We got Aussie chiming in with don't count don'tcount your chickens, Trot.
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And, he says Rory is in form right now.
So we've got, let's see.
So the automatic qualifiers were Rory,McIntyre, Fleetwood, Rose, Hojgaard, Rasmus
Hojgaard, Tyrrell Hatton.
Captain's picks were Rahm, Lowry, Aberg,Fitzpatrick, Straka.
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Dude, I mean, that team is stacked.
I mean, that's an unbelievable squad.
I mean, you can't look I mean, maybe you lookat Sepp Straka and go, maybe not, but he's
played great.
Fitzpatrick, another grinder.
Ludvig Aberg is probably the I mean, he's themost consistent player for sure.
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And then, I mean, Shane Lowry and Jon Rahm, Imean, two guys alone are enough to get anybody
charged up to go play golf.
So I mean, it's so hard.
Because I mean, you look at Beth's ball, andall you really like, I mean, you tell me.
At Bethpage, obviously, you gotta hit it longand straight, which is which is important.
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But most of those guys do.
So, like, yeah.
The length conversation so many times hasbackfired because it used to be where guys that
hit it shorter couldn't necessarily play onsome of these bigger golf courses.
Now every golf course is 7,500 yards, it feelslike, on the PGA Tour.
So these guys that are hitting, but they hitthese low missiles, like a Collin Morikawa hits
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a low missile, right, in order to get it outthere, gets tons of roll, which you could
certainly get that at Bethpage
So I do think that's going to become a littlebit moot of a point.
But what I don't think is that the short gameis gonna come in nearly as much because they're
subtle breaks.
They're relatively flat greens at BethpageBlack, okay?
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And with that, when you have more flat greenswith subtle breaks, those are tough to read.
So you gotta have guys that can see thosesubtle breaks, hit those putts, and ultimately,
it's all about hitting greens, hitting fairwaysand greens out there at Bethpage because if
you're missing the fairways, you're probablygonna have a tough day.
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And that's
Yeah.
I mean, that's everything I've read.
Everything I've read, I looked at Google Maps,Google Earth the other day, and I looked at
course reviews and all kinds of stuff.
But, yeah, I mean, I think at the end of theday, it's the type of golf course where Russell
Henley would win by six.
Because he would just go out there.
He would go out there.
You think so?
Every fair oh, he's just he's such a he, like,he dominates those courses where the greens are
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sort of flat because he's he like, I mean, Ithink almost all of his wins have been on
courses like that.
I mean, one where he won in Mexico, greens werereally not all that undulating.
He won Wailai by a million.
So but he's also, like but also at the sametime, you go on the other side, and you're
like, okay.
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So pretty much everybody on that team, on theEuro team anyways, is really, really good when
the golf courses are difficult.
The courses that are wide and undulating and,you know, great for the long player, not
necessarily the greatest for the European Tourplayers, but these U.S.
Open style I mean, not even a U.S.
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Open style.
It is a U.S.
Open course.
It's pretty much U.S.
Open course all the way throughout the entireyear.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So, I mean and I think they're gonna have onehere soon, which would be amazing.
But yeah.
I mean, it's tight.
It's long rough.
If it rains, it's gonna be to the advantage ofthe European players.
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Absolutely.
And at the end of the day, it's gonna be whocan hit it the best.
And if their partners putt well, they win.
If they don't
You know what?
It's like
a pendulum.
It swings back and forth, back and forth, wherefor the longest time, the U.S.
on paper was always the best.
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Right?
Now you kinda look at it on paper and you'relike, shoot.
The European team looks to be the stronger clubon paper, and they have the camaraderie and so
forth.
I mean, I'm just even looking at and what aballsy play by Luke Donald to have a captain's
pick be Jon Rahm.
Right?
Now the DP World Tour has gotten a little bitcloser to LIV Golf in a lot of ways where a lot
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of those guys go over there and play.
So that isn't super shocking.
Whereas, like, clearly, the U.S.
did not make any picks outside of the automaticguys who qualified to get in, aka Bryson
DeChambeau.
But were you surprised at all that Luke Donaldtapped good old Jon Rahm and was like, hey.
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I want you to come over and play on theEuropean team this year, as well as, well,
Tyrrell Hatton qualified.
Mhmm.
He's he's played great this year.
Yeah.
So I was kind of expecting him to be the onlyone, but, Jon Rahm getting in.
I love that for Jon.
What do you think about the pick from LukeDonald to go with a LIV Golf guy and bring him
into the fold?
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Think it's a big deal or no?
No.
I think I think we so, I mean, the guys that Italked to that were European, that I talked to
about the LIV, they were like, listen.
Like, you just go make your money.
They don't care.
Like, there were obviously the issues locallyfor certain players, but that is what it is,
it's all politics.
So for them, they don't care.
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It's about winning, and that's it.
I mean, the fact that Luke Donald was thecaptain shows you that the European squad, the
European conglomerate, whoever chooses that,was like, yeah, we're just gonna do the same
thing we did last year.
So it's like and what's incredible is thatwhile Paris was not, that golf course is a
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little weird, a little quirky.
Obviously, they had the French Open there.
So I'm sorry, no, this was that was Rome, notParis.
Yep.
Yep, I'm sorry.
You're right.
That was Furyk and gosh, can't remember.
It doesn't matter.
Anyway, Rome was a kind of tight, narrow, kindof whatever golf course, and they had multiple
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European Tour events there.
But, yeah, it's it's not surprising at all.
And honestly, if anybody looks at Jon Rahm andsays he's not gonna play well in the Ryder Cup,
they're absolutely out of their mind.
Well, and it's a golf course that plays rightto Jon Rahm's strengths.
Right?
100%.
And it's like, man, if he gets the ball on thegreen, he's a guy that makes a lot of putts
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when there's subtle breaks to the greens andlonger putts.
So Donald, I really think, was a home run pickfor Luke Donald.
That was kind of a no-brainer in a lot of ways.
And you raise a very good point as well aroundhow the European side, there's not as much
drama with LIV Golf.
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It's like it was more of a U.S.-based dealbecause of the funding coming from the Saudis.
And so that whole thing really got blown out ofproportion in my opinion, to where, like, that
isn't even what bothers me with LIV Golf.
Like, it never really did.
But let's move on from that for a secondbecause this is gonna stay within the LIV Golf
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world.
But let's move on to the U.S.
side of it with Bryson DeChambeau.
And Bryson DeChambeau, a week or two ago, cameout with some comments in regards to he was
very bitter that he couldn't play Silveradothis week since the entire United States team
is playing, and he feels like an outsider.
And he made the comments around how LIV Golfwas gonna let me play.
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PGA Tour decided not to let me play.
They've banned me from this event.
Like, look at them.
They're terrible.
So I want to ask you.
I mean, he made his own bed originally.
He knew he was going to be suspended.
You really think that the Ryder Cup was goingto sway the PGA Tour?
You made a good point before we came on airthat the Ryder Cup isn't even run by the PGA
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Tour.
Why in the world would they even care to allowhim to play if he's already suspended?
So talk to us about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's owned by the PGA of America, andso they're gonna do whatever they wanna do.
And I mean, granted, yes.
Does it add a little bit of spice to theconversation?
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Sure.
But that's Bryson.
I mean, he's a child, and he always will be.
And I listen.
And I love him.
He's always been nice to me.
We have multiple mutual friends.
I'm super pumped for his success.
I'm really happy for him.
But what comes along with being a social mediaactivist, if you will, is you get sucked into
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the world of me, me, me, me, me, me all thetime.
Bryson is in no position whatsoever to look inat the PGA Tour and say, can't believe they're
gonna do this to me.
Like, dude, they told you to take your YouTubechannel down in 2020 during COVID, and you did.
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And then when you decided to say it's abusiness decision when you took the half a
billion dollars, which again, that is what itis, but if I had that, like if you're talking
about that kind of money, why does it matter?
But anyways.
And then you decide that you're gonna trashthem by suing the PGA Tour, and you're gonna be
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surprised or make it a big it just shows thatthe YouTube golf stuff is all fake.
Every single bit of it is scaled and it's boxedin to make a product that the sheep will just
consume and say, oh my gosh, this is sosomething.
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I watched Good Good the other day for the firsttime.
First time.
What'd you think?
Guess what I saw.
What'd you see?
So you're panning this way.
Let's say the camera is focused on chest high.
Right?
And then as you back up, it kind of pans andkind of looks head to toe.
Well, there's a ball at I don't even know whothe guy's name was, at this guy's feet, and
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it's buried, but you can see the ball.
He brings his foot right up to the ball, andyou hear click, and as you hear click, the
camera pans up back to his face, and then allof a sudden they start looking around.
So he literally foot wedges it in the middle ofa YouTube match or whatever with Xander or
Grant Horvat.
But the point is it's all fake anyway.
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So Bryson is kind of fed into that, and theproblem for him is that he's gonna enter into a
place where all of these players have prettymuch solidified their careers for the next five
to 10 years.
And certainly, the PGA Tour will continue tomake rules to make that a reality.
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And so he's absolutely an outsider, but it'snot because of what the PGA Tour did.
It's because of what he did.
Agreed.
And it's one of those where it's like, hey.
There are gonna be consequences.
You knew it when you took the money, and don'tbe upset about it now even though it's years
later and, like, I get it.
You wanna be a part of this with the U.S.
team.
However, you made your bed.
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And as, I believe, Trot said, he's hitting pingpong balls.
He will be fine.
So yeah.
Exactly.
He's creating content.
And here's the thing, like, a young generationloves Bryson DeChambeau right now, and I don't
think that's necessarily a bad thing becauseit's growing the game of golf.
It is what it is.
It's entertainment.
Right?
Yeah, for sure.
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It's not.
The one thing I will say, though, is that allof a sudden, these creators have started
getting good at golf, and they actually playedin that Creator Classic, and they're not doing
terribly.
And people are no longer interested.
Like, all I see are posts that say, CreatorClassic, great idea, but terrible, like,
execution, and it just doesn't work anymore andall this.
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And I think it's only, like, three years intothis whole entire thing, but I feel like guys
have gotten too good to where it's like they'reshooting around average par, and people don't
wanna see that.
People wanna see the hack that's going outthere embarrassing themselves.
And I think a lot of the traction early on werepeople that were happy to see them get
embarrassed out there on camera.
So I think that also plays into a part of that.
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But getting to Silverado this week, where thisis a golf course that you are familiar with.
Have played this track.
Talk to us about this golf course.
Why do you like it?
What does it actually bring out in a golfer?
Yeah.
So it's one of the only courses that kindamakes you hit all the shots.
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It's not a long course, but you have a lot ofholes that bend right to left, and you got a
few that bend left to right.
But what's odd, what's really odd about thecourse is that if you can hit a solid draw,
like a 10- to 15-yard draw that goes about 290to 300, it's perfect.
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If you're the type of guy that maybe hits alittle too far, and maybe you get a little bit
sideways, it doesn't really work out.
But if you hit it short enough, it's alsoperfect for you because you can kind of stay in
between all the trouble.
Now saw his last year somehow, somewhat oractually, it was 2023 rather.
I gave him a driving lesson, and then he goesout and sprays it everywhere and wins the golf
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tournament somehow.
So not really sure how that fits in, but, youknow, I mean,
Goes to your great coaching, though.
I mean,
except for the fact that he sprayed it all overthe place, but I guess he sprayed it not too
bad.
But his short game was unbelievable that weekas well.
But yeah, it's always in good shape, but it'salso in Napa.
So I,
mean, mhmm.
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you go up there, it's a tragedy.
Going to the French Laundry.
Yeah.
The guys are drinking wine.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a reason why it's okay that theentire U.S.
team was required to play the tournamentbecause they're all like, okay, most of us are
married now.
We probably would have taken some heat if wedidn't go.
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So it's like, it all just works out for themanyway.
Team bonding, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
You know, bond,
camaraderie rather than grinding over a golftournament.
Exactly.
You also, like, looking at it, like Max Homa'swon there multiple years.
And it's just overall, it's a great golftournament in a great part of the country.
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Exactly.
If anybody hasn't been up to Napa Valley inSonoma and gone wine tasting and so forth, it's
a hell of an experience.
And it's just it gives you a great relaxingfeel before ultimately in two weeks after this
event.
Probably one of the most stressful, intense,anxiety-ridden events that we have in
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professional golf in the Ryder Cup, wherethere's a lot of pride that goes into that.
And, they're track golfer, I do wanna bringthis up because I saw this and I'm like, this
is actually a pretty good idea.
Bryson should go caddy for someone if he wantsto be part of the team.
How funny would that be?
And I don't know if the PGA Tour would haveallowed it, but that would have been pretty
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impressive if somebody on the team was like,hey, caddy, take a week off, Bryson's gonna
caddy for me.
And Bryson was actually game for going outthere and caddying for one of his team members.
I think that would actually build a lot of teamcamaraderie right there and it would lead to
some great content too because he could filmeverything afterwards.
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Obviously, he can't do that at the event, PGATour bans that, but he could film everything
afterwards and around the team and everythingalong those lines.
I think that actually would have been a prettygood content idea.
Yeah.
Plus, I mean, they could've what yeah.
I mean, we don't know that that's what's odd isthat, like, you we'd like to envision these
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guys.
Oh, we're on the same Ryder Cup team.
Why don't we all get together and do, athree-day retreat at, you know, such and such
place?
Let's go let's go do some ayahuasca Yeah.
In the jungles of Chile.
And let's all bond with the spirits.
That's what's crazy is that, like, so, so, sowhat?
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They're, they're, they're gonna, they, they hadto have had something in the last two weeks
where they all went to Bethpage and didwhatever they're, they're doing, depending on
the weather.
Obviously, it could have been terrible.
We got Anthony Avila, my boy, a Sacramentonative.
Yeah.
He says that he'll be making it out to Napathis weekend, which is an unreal experience.
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I was always trying to get up there when BobbyBrown was a co-host on this show.
He always was talking about that particulartournament and how it's just an absolute blast
to go up there.
So, and again, I've been up there for winetasting, but never been to this particular
tournament, but I heard it's a blast.
So, Anthony, we hope you have an awesome timeout there and really enjoy this weekend, and
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hopefully, you get to see some golf too.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Don't, don't drink and drive.
But, yeah, it's, it's, it's, can I
pause for you for one second as you say that?
Right?
Absolutely.
So make sure to drink responsibly.
21 years and older.
Johnny Walker is also a part of this episodewith the collaboration with DevRoe Golf.
However, I'm gonna say out in Napa, there aredrivers that will drive your rental car for you
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and drive you from winery to winery.
So this is not a pitch for them.
They have not paid me anything for this.
I'm just saying if you would like to have agood time and drink a lot of wine, which you're
gonna do if you go to the wineries and you'retasting because you get absolutely lit up if
you go to a couple different wineries, makesure to hire one of those gentlemen.
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They're absolutely great or women.
I don't know if there's any women that do it,but I had a nice gentleman several years ago
who just literally drove us all the way around,dropped us off, and then hopped in his car and
went home.
It was absolutely incredible.
So.
Perfect.
Little segue.
Absolutely.
I love that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's sad because, like, they've beentossing back and forth whether or not they
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should get rid of this event.
And they've changed, you know, they've changedsponsors, like, three or four or five times or
whatever it is.
So what is it now?
It was Procore.
Right?
And then it was it
still is.
It was is it Procore?
Let's see.
It's Procore now, which I don't even know whatthat is.
Fortinet was
Fortinet was the one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Then it was Safeway before that.
Yeah.
It's it's one of the best events.
It used to be where we we would host we wouldget hosted for our rookie orientation and all
that good stuff, which was phenomenal time.
But, yeah, it's hopefully not going anywhere,but based on how things are going, I mean, Las
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Vegas and stuff like that.
So God knows
I still can't believe that the Shriners is goneout of Vegas.
That was the best, man.
I love that tournament.
It's my favorite.
It's my second favorite event.
Same.
I mean, I love I am partial to the WasteManagement Phoenix Open here in Arizona.
But let's actually talk about your favoritethree events.
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Let's go with top three.
And for me as a fan, right, not as a player,but as a fan, Waste Management Phoenix Open.
Actually, hang on a second.
Let me reframe this because I should go withjust regular PGA Tour events, but I've been to
the Masters.
So, yes, folks.
The Masters is everything you think it is andmore.
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I went three straight years, and I will justsay this that the Masters is an event unlike
any other.
There's just no comparison to anything else.
It is everything that I would want out of agolf tournament and more.
And, yes, there are no birds at AugustaNational, so I don't know how they do that, but
there are no animals at all.
Not even a chipmunk.
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So, that's my little 2¢ there.
So that's number one.
Number two would be the Waste ManagementPhoenix Open.
And then my third, which I've been to a lot ofPGA Tour events.
I've been in, you know, the Northeast at theBarclays.
I've gone to numerous events.
I will say this and as my camera drops out fora second, my third favorite would be that
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Shriners in Las Vegas.
I loved it.
It was an absolute blast of a golf tournament.
You could go up and watch your favorite playersplay, and it just a lot of guys would go out
and play it.
Like, there wasn't a whole lot that didn't goand play.
So, again, it's disappointing to see that.
But what's your top three favorite tournaments?
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And you can do it from a fan perspective orfrom a player since you got both worlds.
Yeah.
I can't stand watching golf, so there's notreally a time.
But, honestly, I've kind of a little caveat toit.
I would have said I would say the U.S.
Open as a player, but the one at LA CountryClub was the worst as a fan.
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Mhmm.
So best as a player, I was five minutes away.
They paid me to be there.
They pay every player at least $5,000, which isawesome.
They give you a brand new Lexus SUV.
They picked us up at the airport from Canada.
Like, it was unbelievable.
Like, if you're on the PGA Tour playing in theU.S.
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Open, the U.S.
Open is a blast, but not my favorite.
My most favorite event to play in is the Sony,bar none.
Like, it's not even close.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So for me personally, it's well, first of all,for a player, it's one of the best clubhouse
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presentations as far as food.
The locker rooms are always really good.
Practice facilities are fine.
I don't really care about the practicefacilities, but it's about the fact that you're
in Hawaii, and it's so calm.
If you stay at the hotel that's 50 yards fromthe first tee, it's awesome.
And then second favorite was Vegas.
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Just the I love the golf course.
They took such great care of us.
Even though they didn't quite have they didn'tgive you a car for the week, like, which was
always weird.
Like, they didn't have, like, a you would thinkthat in Vegas there would be some dealership
that was, yeah.
We're gonna give you a fleet of whatever.
Lotus Elises.
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Yeah.
I'd take them.
They're great now, but no.
Not back in the day.
But yeah.
And then a distant third would be Wells Fargo.
Well, formerly known as Wells Fargo, so it'sthe Truist now.
They took great care of us.
It's a small, tiny clubhouse, but it was ablast.
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And the golf course is unmatched.
So
There you go.
That was an unrelated pivot, and it worked outnicely.
Nice little segment there around our favoritegolf tournaments from a fan perspective and
from a player perspective.
Love that for us.
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All right.
Let's keep this train moving.
I honestly, you know, they did play Goat Hill.
Have you ever played out there?
I haven't, but I've played with about a dozen.
I've seen about a dozen of their players thatall played
Minutes ago.
Or this last event here.
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So I talked to a bunch of them.
It was quite interesting.
I'll tell you what.
It's funny because I've been doing the 5 a.m.
comeback training and everything in preparationfor next year's Grass League Open at the
beginning of the year.
And I will say this.
Like, I always see the social media posts.
Like, Todd Dobson does a phenomenal job.
You know, they've got Paige Spiranac, who isnow a part owner I have read, in there, and she
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does some of the on-course commentary.
And there's just a lot going on when it comesto their content that they're putting out.
They're building out all these stories of theseplayers, and some of these stories are
phenomenal.
Like, it is the grassroots league, in myopinion, of these phenomenal golf stories of
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guys that just didn't make it for whateverreason.
Right?
Have tremendous amounts of game, but justdidn't have the right platform in order to
showcase it.
And now they do with this, and I think it'sonly gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger.
And, of course, it was the Motor City...
hang on a second.
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Who was the team with the purple hats?
It was the Detroit team.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Aren't they called the Motor City Something.
Something automobile-esque.
My bad.
My bad.
I will get up on this, but that's the funnything.
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Like, I don't necessarily wanna be an audiencemember for the grass league.
I wanna be a player on it.
So 100%.
Why I don't watch golf.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just that's to me, the PGA Tour is a thingon its own, and that's why I watch it a lot.
And obviously, the Ryder Cup and everything.
I think we can all agree that even if you don'tlike watching golf, the Ryder Cup is one that
(43:06):
you're gonna watch.
Right?
Yeah.
Presidents Cup, Ryder Cup, I'm in.
It's kinda like soccer where the World Cupcomes around.
The US is playing in that, and all of a sudden,everybody in the United States that's a sports
fan is going nuts at an Irish pub.
Like, yep.
It's just what happens.
So same thing happens with the Ryder Cup.
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People that aren't even that interested in golfall of a sudden are USA, USA.
So we're gonna be getting behind the U.S.
team for sure, with this.
And it's been an interesting take from youaround the European team having that stronger
team as well as the fact that you think thatthe European team is going to take it this year
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on U.S.
soil, which my goodness gracious, if thathappens
Medinah.
The story that could potentially come fromthat, can Tiger Woods be the savior to coach
and captain the U.S.
team on foreign soil?
No chance.
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Just you wait.
Just you wait.
Know it's coming, but it's it's rain already.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
That's that's one of the funniest things.
Right?
It's like, you think about everything that hashappened with like, you look at the players
that are on the council for the board, and youkinda look at how they kinda get talked about
and how they play and all this other stuff.
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And you just wonder, like, okay, so Xander,Collin, Trick, like, got all these guys.
You're kinda like, man, alright.
Like, top players, whatever.
Like, cool.
Like, they should be just fine.
And then all of a sudden, like, they'll getinto they'll get into these events, they're
just kinda like, yeah.
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Okay.
Well, that's underwhelming.
Well, the U.S.
was always, like, known as being theindividualistic team.
Team of egos, the team of, hey, I'm the bestindividual player in the world, where the
Europeans were always the band of brothers, theguys who really went to bat for each other and
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understood camaraderie and team golf.
And that really hasn't changed that much, Idon't think.
Like, you kinda still have remember the pods?
Were you too young for the pods?
Oh, I remember.
Yeah.
When all of a sudden that was a brilliant idea,the U.S., we're gonna have pods where you're
gonna have your little clique and you're justgonna play with that clique in all four days.
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And all of a sudden it's like, oh my gosh, youjust literally, like, you turned it into high
school where you've got cliques of peoplewithin the same team that don't even hang out.
Yeah.
They don't hang out.
They don't like each other.
They don't they don't they couldn't care lessbecause they're not getting paid.
(45:55):
Like, that's that's that's what this all comesdown to.
They don't get paid.
They don't care.
I mean, David Duval got a bad rep for hiscomments around the Ryder Cup.
You know, Patrick Cantlay not wanting to wearthe cap over there, internationally because he
wasn't being paid for it.
Really made a stink about it.
And then everybody's waving their caps.
And then that led to Joe LaCava and RoryMcIlroy's beef.
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So we've got a lot to look forward to with thisRyder Cup.
I don't the one the one negative that I willbring up here at the end.
I don't love closing out shows with negatives,but the one negative thing did you see the
ticket prices for this Ryder Cup?
Just outrageous.
I think we talked about this a few months ago.
(46:38):
We did.
Because we touched on it.
And I think I almost blew, like, I literallyalmost lost my mind.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I actually did losemy mind, and then I just didn't say anything.
But wasn't it like it had—I think the base waslike in the thousands, wasn't it?
Fifteen hundred was, yeah, kind of the startingmain ticket, I guess.
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In New York.
Well, that's why.
Because they knew that they could sell thetickets to all these corporate groups and get
corporate people out there.
I mean, and it made it tough for the generalfan to be able to afford and go out there.
And notable New York—I mean, listen, I'm not amassive fan of any of the politics in the
(47:28):
Northeast.
However, the general blue-collar, hard NewYorker is not the type of person that's gonna
shut up when a European Tour player is gonnahit.
I mean, the Sergio Garcia, Bethpage Black, Ithink it was like 2002 or something like that,
(47:49):
where he re-gripped 15 times and the guy says,all that for that, and he flips them off.
You can't tell me that that same gentleman isnot still alive, I hope he is, and is gonna be
there on the first tee saying that exact samething.
That's what made the U.S.
Open so wild and amazing at Bethpage Black, wasbecause you could go buy a ticket for an
(48:15):
inexpensive amount of money to go to the U.S.
Open.
And by the way, Bethpage is a huge property, soyou could fit so many people at Bethpage.
I really hope that the fans show up and showout for the U.S.
team in such a big way, but that also mighthave been part of their strategy in jacking up
the ticket prices, hoping that it wouldn't gettoo rowdy.
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Because New Yorkers, we can get a little bittoo rowdy at times.
Same with Boston folks.
So yeah.
You know, we will see what ends up coming fromthe Ryder Cup.
But nonetheless, as a guy who grew up inUpstate New York and lived in the city, I will
tell you what.
Now being out in Arizona, I'm looking at thisRyder Cup, and I'm a little bit shocked that a
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lot of people have talked about that have beento multiple Ryder Cups saying that it's the
worst event to be at in person.
I'm kind of like, I was kicking myself aboutnot buying a ticket or anything, but hearing
that from multiple people that have been toseveral, like, been to majors.
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They've been to the Masters.
They have been to several different types ofevents and will travel from time to time to go
to events.
They all said because of the massive crowds atthe Ryder Cup that it's very difficult to see
if all of a sudden you're in a good spot andyou see one shot.
Guess what?
Everybody's moving, and you gotta all of asudden get to the next because there's only so
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many groups that are playing at a given time.
So it's very difficult to get a good viewingexperience.
But for those of you that are going to theRyder Cup at Bethpage, I hope you have an
absolute blast.
I hope you have an awesome time.
And I want to thank, first of all, Brent,because you've been having a very busy
(50:05):
schedule.
You are getting ready for Q School.
And, yeah, you got a countdown going on.
So make sure folks to go follow Mr.
Brent Grant.
And I believe it's Brent underscore Grant golf.
Is that right?
Mhmm.
Think so.
Let me just
On Instagram.
I believe that's it.
Feel like I've tagged you enough in content.
Probably.
So, folks, go check out Brent's Instagram page.
(50:27):
Keep up with his Instagram stories as heprepares for Q School.
We hope you make it back, Brent, and we'll behaving you back on, but obviously before then,
hopefully.
Until next time folks, peace out.
A-Town down.
Track golfer, I do want to bring this upbecause I saw this and I'm like, this is
actually a pretty good idea.
Bryson should go caddie for someone if he wantsto be part of the team.
How funny would that be?
And I don't know if the PGA Tour would haveallowed it, but that would have been pretty
impressive.
If somebody on the team was like, hey, caddie,take a week off, Bryson's gonna caddie for me.
(00:21):
And Bryson was actually game for going outthere and caddying for one of his team members.
I think that would actually build a lot of teamcamaraderie right there and it would lead to
some great content too because he could filmeverything afterwards.
Obviously, he can't do that at the event.
PGA Tour bans that, but he could filmeverything afterwards and around the team and
(00:43):
everything along those lines.
I think that actually would have been a prettygood content idea.
So not really sure how that fits in but youknow, I mean,
Goes to your great coaching though.
I mean,
Except for the fact that he sprayed it all overthe place, but I guess he'd sprayed it not too
bad.
But his short game was unbelievable that weekas well.
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But yeah.
It's and it's always in good shape, but it'salso in Napa.
So, I mean, Mhmm.
You go out there, it's a tragedy.
Going to the French Laundry.
Yeah.
The guys are drinking wine.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a reason why it's okay that theentire U.S.
team was required to play the tournament.
Because they're all like, okay.
(01:24):
Most of us are married now.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our co-host, Mister BrentGrant, back on the program.
As most of you, if you have been following thispodcast, Brent has been on quite a bit on this
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And more recently, he's been absolutelygrinding getting back into gear when it comes
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Right?
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You know how this goes.
And the first question that I got for you, goodsir, is who is going to win the Ryder Cup this
year at Bethpage Black?
Who you got?
Oh, man.
I think we're gonna get our asses absolutelywhipped this year.
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So clearly that's Europe versus the UnitedStates.
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So I'm playing into it, but why do you thinkthat?
I mean, is it just the camaraderie of theEuropean team?
Does Bethpage just happen to play well forthem?
I mean, talk to us a little bit about why yousay that.
So obviously, the team is all but one playerexactly the same.
I mean, technically, they look the same becauseRasmus and his brother are identical twins, and
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their games really aren't too dissimilar.
But I would say, ultimately, what it comes downto is the fact that you have, I personally
believe, you have too many young guys on thisRyder Cup team that are not what you would call
seasoned in the fire of competitive, likehyper-competitive, hyper-pressure-packed golf.
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That's not to say they're not incredibleplayers because, obviously, they are.
But the European squad is full of guys thathave been playing great golf all year long.
And they're coming off, you know, I mean, atthe end of the day, they're the exact same team
by the exact same captain.
So there's not really gonna be a whole lot ofextra details that Keegan is gonna have to put
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up with.
You know?
And so I think it's just gonna be easier forthem to be more of a team, play better as a
team, and not to mention the fact that half thesquad is pretty pissed off that, you know,
Scottie's been kicking their ass all year long.
So they're all ready to go.
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But I mean, Tommy's been playing well.
Ludwig's been playing well.
So
I
I look forward to it.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the US teamdoing too well.
So let's talk a little bit about Keegan Bradleyas the captain of Team America or Team USA.
And did you agree with him not picking himselfand remaining just as the captain?
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I think it showed an enormous amount ofhumility and grace to turn himself down.
I mean, because that's essentially what itcomes down to.
He could've made the executive decision, that'swhy they call them captain's picks, and he
could've played.
And there's nothing statistically that youcould say, well, you know, he hasn't been
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playing.
No, he's been playing great.
And certainly better than probably the bottomfour or five guys.
But that leaves out the fact that Keegan is thetype of person that is going to put the team's
needs above himself.
And that's something that a true leader does.
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And so it gives me a lot of hope, and it showsthat he's willing to make the hard choices.
So, I hope it does fill the—I mean, if I was inthat locker room, I would be absolutely charged
up to go play for this guy because I know he'swilling to put it on the line for me.
So as we talk about that, some of thefirst-timers for the U.S., how do you think
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they're gonna perform at a golf course likeBethpage Black under this type of rowdiness
that's going to go on?
Do you think it's gonna calm them down being onhome territory, or is that something that could
ruffle the feathers a little bit for some ofthese guys for the first time?
Yeah.
It's tough.
You know, obviously, living in Phoenix likeyou, we hear a lot of stories about Spaun, and
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we've known, you know, I've known of him, andI've known him for a few years now.
And, you know, I played on the Korn Ferry Tourwith Ben Griffin.
Obviously, I've been, you know, I played on thetour.
So I know all of those guys that are on theteam.
It just doesn't seem like they're the type ofguys to go out there and, at least the
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first-timers that is, aside from maybe Henley,to go out there and to get punched in the mouth
and punch back even harder.
They don't seem like the type of guys that ifthey're down, you know, let's say it's six to
two—well, what is it?
Twelve—how many points are on the first day?
It's like eight points.
Right?
Mhmm.
I think.
Something like that.
So let's say they're down six to two after thefirst day or whatever it ends up breaking down
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as.
I just don't see them coming back after beingpunched in the mouth.
And that's kinda what you need.
I mean, the scrappiness is what the Europeanshave always had.
So that's why they're able to go into thesedifferent environments and play just fine.
Now, I know I asked you whether or not you feltlike Keegan made the right decision.
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However, and yes, I totally understand theangle that it could pump up the players, make
them feel even more, you know, part of thisteam with Keegan and everything, but given
Keegan's experience and the fieriness of aKeegan Bradley out there on the golf course and
he was playing.
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I mean, he did finish in the top 12 of guys.
So it wouldn't have been like he picked himselfoutside of the ranks that would have been
considered for the Ryder Cup.
So talk to me a little bit about whether or notyou think that the team would have been better
with him in there versus one of thesefirst-time guys.
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Yeah.
It's again, just strictly off the top.
He said from the beginning that if you'reoutside the top 12, don't expect to get a spot.
And I'm pretty sure there's at least one guy onthat list that got a spot that has not played
good golf in quite a while.
Who's that?
Regardless of whether or not he's thequote-unquote best putter on planet Earth,
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which I don't even remotely.
Who are you referring to?
Sam Burns does not belong on the Ryder
Cup. Do
Do you think Scottie Scheffler might have had alittle say in Sam Burns being on a
100%.
So the way it broke down last time for Paris, Imean, not to mention the fact that I talked to
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a buddy of mine that was kind of close in andaround the group of guys that went over to
Paris.
And it was like they were so disorganized.
They didn't know what they were doing.
You know, Scottie and Brooks didn't even knowthat they were playing together until, like,
two hours before their match and all kinds ofstuff like that.
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So the hope is that Keegan, with hisexperience, is able to dial those things in.
However, if you're not playing well going intothe Ryder Cup, I don't see all of a sudden just
breaking out and going, oh, yeah.
I'm just gonna go ahead and dominate.
Because the guys that were the dominatingplayers, you know, five, ten, fifteen years
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ago, they don't exist anymore.
That talent pool is much, much, much smallernow.
I mean, even Patrick Cantlay.
I mean, I'm not even sure how he made it insidethe top 30.
I never saw his name one time all year long.
I mean, it shows you how bad the PGA Tourcoverage is if you have a guy that's in the top
30 that you don't see him all year.
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But that's neither here nor there.
But I just think that the bottom half of theteam is not are not guys that I would ever
depend on in a pinch.
Keegan, I would 100% depend on in a pinch.
I mean, the stories that Pepsi told me aboutthe Ryder Cup playing with Phil, just that one
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Ryder Cup alone would be enough to fillsomebody's career with enough experience to be
able to play great.
And he has.
I mean, he's obviously been playing well thelast few years.
But yeah.
I mean, at the end of the day, it's a good oldboys club.
So, I mean, I'm sure Scottie had something todo with it.
Now, let's talk a little bit about the Europeanside that you do believe are going to take this
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win in New York State, in Long Island, out atBethpage Black, which is a beast of a golf
course.
Everybody who is a golf aficionado knows thesign that sits out there.
That is a warning to golfers that the BlackCourse is an extremely difficult golf course,
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so talk to me.
Alright?
I know you may not have had a ton of experienceout at Bethpage.
I can probably speak to it a little bit betterbeing a New Yorker and playing out there
numerous times, and that was one of my go-togolf courses that if I was losing money
matches, you better believe you're gonna playme out at Bethpage Black because that I felt
like I had a big advantage over a lot of guysout there playing that golf course.
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So to me, there is definitely an angle for thetype of player that is going to play well
there, and it's not necessarily somebody thatputts extremely well.
So talk to me.
Who do you like on the European team that youreally think is going to stand out?
Well, let's see.
So we've got Fleetwood, obviously, right offthe top.
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I mean, unbelievable ball striker.
He's riding high.
He's been playing great.
And he does play well in the Ryder Cup.
I mean, he's just as much of a fiery guy asanybody out there.
And the simple fact that, I mean, he's playedthe best out of everybody.
That's
Yeah.
I agree.
I mean
Outside of Scottie Scheffler.
I mean, in the last four events that he'splayed, he's got two or three seconds and a
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win.
So, yeah.
I mean, definitely trending.
And then we'll see what Rory shows up.
Obviously, well,
Rory just won over on the
DP World Tour.
Won the Irish Open.
Win his own home event.
So, obviously, he's got a fire in him, which isgreat.
And it's definitely not bad for the game ofgolf to have Rory McIlroy playing well.
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And, I mean, we've seen it for a decade now.
Rory McIlroy is by far one of the best playersto play in the Ryder Cup for a number of
reasons.
And well, yeah.
See, so the Trotgolf says the Euros willprobably have to get four points on-site.
Sorry.
Over.
Yeah.
That's pretty bad.
But yeah.
I mean, it's we'll see how that ends upbreaking out.
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It sounds like a complete beat down.
But but, yeah, I mean, so and then let's see.
Who else do we have?
We have Sepp.
You got the list there, Maddie?
Ryder Cup Euro team.
Let's see.
Oh, I can pull it up for you.
Here we go.
Sorry.
I was looking at the comments.
We got Aussie chiming in with don't count don'tcount your chickens, Trot.
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And, he says Rory is in form right now.
So we've got, let's see.
So the automatic qualifiers were Rory,McIntyre, Fleetwood, Rose, Hojgaard, Rasmus
Hojgaard, Tyrrell Hatton.
Captain's picks were Rahm, Lowry, Aberg,Fitzpatrick, Straka.
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Dude, I mean, that team is stacked.
I mean, that's an unbelievable squad.
I mean, you can't look I mean, maybe you lookat Sepp Straka and go, maybe not, but he's
played great.
Fitzpatrick, another grinder.
Ludvig Aberg is probably the I mean, he's themost consistent player for sure.
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And then, I mean, Shane Lowry and Jon Rahm, Imean, two guys alone are enough to get anybody
charged up to go play golf.
So I mean, it's so hard.
Because I mean, you look at Beth's ball, andall you really like, I mean, you tell me.
At Bethpage, obviously, you gotta hit it longand straight, which is which is important.
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But most of those guys do.
So, like, yeah.
The length conversation so many times hasbackfired because it used to be where guys that
hit it shorter couldn't necessarily play onsome of these bigger golf courses.
Now every golf course is 7,500 yards, it feelslike, on the PGA Tour.
So these guys that are hitting, but they hitthese low missiles, like a Collin Morikawa hits
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a low missile, right, in order to get it outthere, gets tons of roll, which you could
certainly get that at Bethpage
So I do think that's going to become a littlebit moot of a point.
But what I don't think is that the short gameis gonna come in nearly as much because they're
subtle breaks.
They're relatively flat greens at BethpageBlack, okay?
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And with that, when you have more flat greenswith subtle breaks, those are tough to read.
So you gotta have guys that can see thosesubtle breaks, hit those putts, and ultimately,
it's all about hitting greens, hitting fairwaysand greens out there at Bethpage because if
you're missing the fairways, you're probablygonna have a tough day.
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And that's
Yeah.
I mean, that's everything I've read.
Everything I've read, I looked at Google Maps,Google Earth the other day, and I looked at
course reviews and all kinds of stuff.
But, yeah, I mean, I think at the end of theday, it's the type of golf course where Russell
Henley would win by six.
Because he would just go out there.
He would go out there.
You think so?
Every fair oh, he's just he's such a he, like,he dominates those courses where the greens are
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sort of flat because he's he like, I mean, Ithink almost all of his wins have been on
courses like that.
I mean, one where he won in Mexico, greens werereally not all that undulating.
He won Wailai by a million.
So but he's also, like but also at the sametime, you go on the other side, and you're
like, okay.
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So pretty much everybody on that team, on theEuro team anyways, is really, really good when
the golf courses are difficult.
The courses that are wide and undulating and,you know, great for the long player, not
necessarily the greatest for the European Tourplayers, but these U.S.
Open style I mean, not even a U.S.
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Open style.
It is a U.S.
Open course.
It's pretty much U.S.
Open course all the way throughout the entireyear.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So, I mean and I think they're gonna have onehere soon, which would be amazing.
But yeah.
I mean, it's tight.
It's long rough.
If it rains, it's gonna be to the advantage ofthe European players.
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Absolutely.
And at the end of the day, it's gonna be whocan hit it the best.
And if their partners putt well, they win.
If they don't
You know what?
It's like
a pendulum.
It swings back and forth, back and forth, wherefor the longest time, the U.S.
on paper was always the best.
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Right?
Now you kinda look at it on paper and you'relike, shoot.
The European team looks to be the stronger clubon paper, and they have the camaraderie and so
forth.
I mean, I'm just even looking at and what aballsy play by Luke Donald to have a captain's
pick be Jon Rahm.
Right?
Now the DP World Tour has gotten a little bitcloser to LIV Golf in a lot of ways where a lot
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of those guys go over there and play.
So that isn't super shocking.
Whereas, like, clearly, the U.S.
did not make any picks outside of the automaticguys who qualified to get in, aka Bryson
DeChambeau.
But were you surprised at all that Luke Donaldtapped good old Jon Rahm and was like, hey.
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I want you to come over and play on theEuropean team this year, as well as, well,
Tyrrell Hatton qualified.
Mhmm.
He's he's played great this year.
Yeah.
So I was kind of expecting him to be the onlyone, but, Jon Rahm getting in.
I love that for Jon.
What do you think about the pick from LukeDonald to go with a LIV Golf guy and bring him
into the fold?
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Think it's a big deal or no?
No.
I think I think we so, I mean, the guys that Italked to that were European, that I talked to
about the LIV, they were like, listen.
Like, you just go make your money.
They don't care.
Like, there were obviously the issues locallyfor certain players, but that is what it is,
it's all politics.
So for them, they don't care.
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It's about winning, and that's it.
I mean, the fact that Luke Donald was thecaptain shows you that the European squad, the
European conglomerate, whoever chooses that,was like, yeah, we're just gonna do the same
thing we did last year.
So it's like and what's incredible is thatwhile Paris was not, that golf course is a
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little weird, a little quirky.
Obviously, they had the French Open there.
So I'm sorry, no, this was that was Rome, notParis.
Yep.
Yep, I'm sorry.
You're right.
That was Furyk and gosh, can't remember.
It doesn't matter.
Anyway, Rome was a kind of tight, narrow, kindof whatever golf course, and they had multiple
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European Tour events there.
But, yeah, it's it's not surprising at all.
And honestly, if anybody looks at Jon Rahm andsays he's not gonna play well in the Ryder Cup,
they're absolutely out of their mind.
Well, and it's a golf course that plays rightto Jon Rahm's strengths.
Right?
100%.
And it's like, man, if he gets the ball on thegreen, he's a guy that makes a lot of putts
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when there's subtle breaks to the greens andlonger putts.
So Donald, I really think, was a home run pickfor Luke Donald.
That was kind of a no-brainer in a lot of ways.
And you raise a very good point as well aroundhow the European side, there's not as much
drama with LIV Golf.
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It's like it was more of a U.S.-based dealbecause of the funding coming from the Saudis.
And so that whole thing really got blown out ofproportion in my opinion, to where, like, that
isn't even what bothers me with LIV Golf.
Like, it never really did.
But let's move on from that for a secondbecause this is gonna stay within the LIV Golf
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world.
But let's move on to the U.S.
side of it with Bryson DeChambeau.
And Bryson DeChambeau, a week or two ago, cameout with some comments in regards to he was
very bitter that he couldn't play Silveradothis week since the entire United States team
is playing, and he feels like an outsider.
And he made the comments around how LIV Golfwas gonna let me play.
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PGA Tour decided not to let me play.
They've banned me from this event.
Like, look at them.
They're terrible.
So I want to ask you.
I mean, he made his own bed originally.
He knew he was going to be suspended.
You really think that the Ryder Cup was goingto sway the PGA Tour?
You made a good point before we came on airthat the Ryder Cup isn't even run by the PGA
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Tour.
Why in the world would they even care to allowhim to play if he's already suspended?
So talk to us about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's owned by the PGA of America, andso they're gonna do whatever they wanna do.
And I mean, granted, yes.
Does it add a little bit of spice to theconversation?
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Sure.
But that's Bryson.
I mean, he's a child, and he always will be.
And I listen.
And I love him.
He's always been nice to me.
We have multiple mutual friends.
I'm super pumped for his success.
I'm really happy for him.
But what comes along with being a social mediaactivist, if you will, is you get sucked into
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the world of me, me, me, me, me, me all thetime.
Bryson is in no position whatsoever to look inat the PGA Tour and say, can't believe they're
gonna do this to me.
Like, dude, they told you to take your YouTubechannel down in 2020 during COVID, and you did.
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And then when you decided to say it's abusiness decision when you took the half a
billion dollars, which again, that is what itis, but if I had that, like if you're talking
about that kind of money, why does it matter?
But anyways.
And then you decide that you're gonna trashthem by suing the PGA Tour, and you're gonna be
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surprised or make it a big it just shows thatthe YouTube golf stuff is all fake.
Every single bit of it is scaled and it's boxedin to make a product that the sheep will just
consume and say, oh my gosh, this is sosomething.
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I watched Good Good the other day for the firsttime.
First time.
What'd you think?
Guess what I saw.
What'd you see?
So you're panning this way.
Let's say the camera is focused on chest high.
Right?
And then as you back up, it kind of pans andkind of looks head to toe.
Well, there's a ball at I don't even know whothe guy's name was, at this guy's feet, and
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it's buried, but you can see the ball.
He brings his foot right up to the ball, andyou hear click, and as you hear click, the
camera pans up back to his face, and then allof a sudden they start looking around.
So he literally foot wedges it in the middle ofa YouTube match or whatever with Xander or
Grant Horvat.
But the point is it's all fake anyway.
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So Bryson is kind of fed into that, and theproblem for him is that he's gonna enter into a
place where all of these players have prettymuch solidified their careers for the next five
to 10 years.
And certainly, the PGA Tour will continue tomake rules to make that a reality.
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And so he's absolutely an outsider, but it'snot because of what the PGA Tour did.
It's because of what he did.
Agreed.
And it's one of those where it's like, hey.
There are gonna be consequences.
You knew it when you took the money, and don'tbe upset about it now even though it's years
later and, like, I get it.
You wanna be a part of this with the U.S.
team.
However, you made your bed.
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And as, I believe, Trot said, he's hitting pingpong balls.
He will be fine.
So yeah.
Exactly.
He's creating content.
And here's the thing, like, a young generationloves Bryson DeChambeau right now, and I don't
think that's necessarily a bad thing becauseit's growing the game of golf.
It is what it is.
It's entertainment.
Right?
Yeah, for sure.
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It's not.
The one thing I will say, though, is that allof a sudden, these creators have started
getting good at golf, and they actually playedin that Creator Classic, and they're not doing
terribly.
And people are no longer interested.
Like, all I see are posts that say, CreatorClassic, great idea, but terrible, like,
execution, and it just doesn't work anymore andall this.
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And I think it's only, like, three years intothis whole entire thing, but I feel like guys
have gotten too good to where it's like they'reshooting around average par, and people don't
wanna see that.
People wanna see the hack that's going outthere embarrassing themselves.
And I think a lot of the traction early on werepeople that were happy to see them get
embarrassed out there on camera.
So I think that also plays into a part of that.
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But getting to Silverado this week, where thisis a golf course that you are familiar with.
Have played this track.
Talk to us about this golf course.
Why do you like it?
What does it actually bring out in a golfer?
Yeah.
So it's one of the only courses that kindamakes you hit all the shots.
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It's not a long course, but you have a lot ofholes that bend right to left, and you got a
few that bend left to right.
But what's odd, what's really odd about thecourse is that if you can hit a solid draw,
like a 10- to 15-yard draw that goes about 290to 300, it's perfect.
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If you're the type of guy that maybe hits alittle too far, and maybe you get a little bit
sideways, it doesn't really work out.
But if you hit it short enough, it's alsoperfect for you because you can kind of stay in
between all the trouble.
Now saw his last year somehow, somewhat oractually, it was 2023 rather.
I gave him a driving lesson, and then he goesout and sprays it everywhere and wins the golf
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tournament somehow.
So not really sure how that fits in, but, youknow, I mean,
Goes to your great coaching, though.
I mean,
except for the fact that he sprayed it all overthe place, but I guess he sprayed it not too
bad.
But his short game was unbelievable that weekas well.
But yeah, it's always in good shape, but it'salso in Napa.
So I,
mean, mhmm.
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you go up there, it's a tragedy.
Going to the French Laundry.
Yeah.
The guys are drinking wine.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a reason why it's okay that theentire U.S.
team was required to play the tournamentbecause they're all like, okay, most of us are
married now.
We probably would have taken some heat if wedidn't go.
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So it's like, it all just works out for themanyway.
Team bonding, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
You know, bond,
camaraderie rather than grinding over a golftournament.
Exactly.
You also, like, looking at it, like Max Homa'swon there multiple years.
And it's just overall, it's a great golftournament in a great part of the country.
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Exactly.
If anybody hasn't been up to Napa Valley inSonoma and gone wine tasting and so forth, it's
a hell of an experience.
And it's just it gives you a great relaxingfeel before ultimately in two weeks after this
event.
Probably one of the most stressful, intense,anxiety-ridden events that we have in
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professional golf in the Ryder Cup, wherethere's a lot of pride that goes into that.
And, they're track golfer, I do wanna bringthis up because I saw this and I'm like, this
is actually a pretty good idea.
Bryson should go caddy for someone if he wantsto be part of the team.
How funny would that be?
And I don't know if the PGA Tour would haveallowed it, but that would have been pretty
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impressive if somebody on the team was like,hey, caddy, take a week off, Bryson's gonna
caddy for me.
And Bryson was actually game for going outthere and caddying for one of his team members.
I think that would actually build a lot of teamcamaraderie right there and it would lead to
some great content too because he could filmeverything afterwards.
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Obviously, he can't do that at the event, PGATour bans that, but he could film everything
afterwards and around the team and everythingalong those lines.
I think that actually would have been a prettygood content idea.
Yeah.
Plus, I mean, they could've what yeah.
I mean, we don't know that that's what's odd isthat, like, you we'd like to envision these
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guys.
Oh, we're on the same Ryder Cup team.
Why don't we all get together and do, athree-day retreat at, you know, such and such
place?
Let's go let's go do some ayahuasca Yeah.
In the jungles of Chile.
And let's all bond with the spirits.
That's what's crazy is that, like, so, so, sowhat?
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They're, they're, they're gonna, they, they hadto have had something in the last two weeks
where they all went to Bethpage and didwhatever they're, they're doing, depending on
the weather.
Obviously, it could have been terrible.
We got Anthony Avila, my boy, a Sacramentonative.
Yeah.
He says that he'll be making it out to Napathis weekend, which is an unreal experience.
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I was always trying to get up there when BobbyBrown was a co-host on this show.
He always was talking about that particulartournament and how it's just an absolute blast
to go up there.
So, and again, I've been up there for winetasting, but never been to this particular
tournament, but I heard it's a blast.
So, Anthony, we hope you have an awesome timeout there and really enjoy this weekend, and
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hopefully, you get to see some golf too.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Don't, don't drink and drive.
But, yeah, it's, it's, it's, can I
pause for you for one second as you say that?
Right?
Absolutely.
So make sure to drink responsibly.
21 years and older.
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So this is not a pitch for them.
They have not paid me anything for this.
I'm just saying if you would like to have agood time and drink a lot of wine, which you're
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They're absolutely great or women.
I don't know if there's any women that do it,but I had a nice gentleman several years ago
who just literally drove us all the way around,dropped us off, and then hopped in his car and
went home.
It was absolutely incredible.
So.
Perfect.
Little segue.
Absolutely.
I love that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's sad because, like, they've beentossing back and forth whether or not they
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should get rid of this event.
And they've changed, you know, they've changedsponsors, like, three or four or five times or
whatever it is.
So what is it now?
It was Procore.
Right?
And then it was it
still is.
It was is it Procore?
Let's see.
It's Procore now, which I don't even know whatthat is.
Fortinet was
Fortinet was the one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Then it was Safeway before that.
Yeah.
It's it's one of the best events.
It used to be where we we would host we wouldget hosted for our rookie orientation and all
that good stuff, which was phenomenal time.
But, yeah, it's hopefully not going anywhere,but based on how things are going, I mean, Las
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Vegas and stuff like that.
So God knows
I still can't believe that the Shriners is goneout of Vegas.
That was the best, man.
I love that tournament.
It's my favorite.
It's my second favorite event.
Same.
I mean, I love I am partial to the WasteManagement Phoenix Open here in Arizona.
But let's actually talk about your favoritethree events.
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Let's go with top three.
And for me as a fan, right, not as a player,but as a fan, Waste Management Phoenix Open.
Actually, hang on a second.
Let me reframe this because I should go withjust regular PGA Tour events, but I've been to
the Masters.
So, yes, folks.
The Masters is everything you think it is andmore.
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I went three straight years, and I will justsay this that the Masters is an event unlike
any other.
There's just no comparison to anything else.
It is everything that I would want out of agolf tournament and more.
And, yes, there are no birds at AugustaNational, so I don't know how they do that, but
there are no animals at all.
Not even a chipmunk.
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So, that's my little 2¢ there.
So that's number one.
Number two would be the Waste ManagementPhoenix Open.
And then my third, which I've been to a lot ofPGA Tour events.
I've been in, you know, the Northeast at theBarclays.
I've gone to numerous events.
I will say this and as my camera drops out fora second, my third favorite would be that
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Shriners in Las Vegas.
I loved it.
It was an absolute blast of a golf tournament.
You could go up and watch your favorite playersplay, and it just a lot of guys would go out
and play it.
Like, there wasn't a whole lot that didn't goand play.
So, again, it's disappointing to see that.
But what's your top three favorite tournaments?
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And you can do it from a fan perspective orfrom a player since you got both worlds.
Yeah.
I can't stand watching golf, so there's notreally a time.
But, honestly, I've kind of a little caveat toit.
I would have said I would say the U.S.
Open as a player, but the one at LA CountryClub was the worst as a fan.
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Mhmm.
So best as a player, I was five minutes away.
They paid me to be there.
They pay every player at least $5,000, which isawesome.
They give you a brand new Lexus SUV.
They picked us up at the airport from Canada.
Like, it was unbelievable.
Like, if you're on the PGA Tour playing in theU.S.
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Open, the U.S.
Open is a blast, but not my favorite.
My most favorite event to play in is the Sony,bar none.
Like, it's not even close.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So for me personally, it's well, first of all,for a player, it's one of the best clubhouse
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presentations as far as food.
The locker rooms are always really good.
Practice facilities are fine.
I don't really care about the practicefacilities, but it's about the fact that you're
in Hawaii, and it's so calm.
If you stay at the hotel that's 50 yards fromthe first tee, it's awesome.
And then second favorite was Vegas.
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Just the I love the golf course.
They took such great care of us.
Even though they didn't quite have they didn'tgive you a car for the week, like, which was
always weird.
Like, they didn't have, like, a you would thinkthat in Vegas there would be some dealership
that was, yeah.
We're gonna give you a fleet of whatever.
Lotus Elises.
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Yeah.
I'd take them.
They're great now, but no.
Not back in the day.
But yeah.
And then a distant third would be Wells Fargo.
Well, formerly known as Wells Fargo, so it'sthe Truist now.
They took great care of us.
It's a small, tiny clubhouse, but it was ablast.
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And the golf course is unmatched.
So
There you go.
That was an unrelated pivot, and it worked outnicely.
Nice little segment there around our favoritegolf tournaments from a fan perspective and
from a player perspective.
Love that for us.
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All right.
Let's keep this train moving.
I honestly, you know, they did play Goat Hill.
Have you ever played out there?
I haven't, but I've played with about a dozen.
I've seen about a dozen of their players thatall played
Minutes ago.
Or this last event here.
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So I talked to a bunch of them.
It was quite interesting.
I'll tell you what.
It's funny because I've been doing the 5 a.m.
comeback training and everything in preparationfor next year's Grass League Open at the
beginning of the year.
And I will say this.
Like, I always see the social media posts.
Like, Todd Dobson does a phenomenal job.
You know, they've got Paige Spiranac, who isnow a part owner I have read, in there, and she
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does some of the on-course commentary.
And there's just a lot going on when it comesto their content that they're putting out.
They're building out all these stories of theseplayers, and some of these stories are
phenomenal.
Like, it is the grassroots league, in myopinion, of these phenomenal golf stories of
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guys that just didn't make it for whateverreason.
Right?
Have tremendous amounts of game, but justdidn't have the right platform in order to
showcase it.
And now they do with this, and I think it'sonly gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger.
And, of course, it was the Motor City...
hang on a second.
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Who was the team with the purple hats?
It was the Detroit team.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Aren't they called the Motor City Something.
Something automobile-esque.
My bad.
My bad.
I will get up on this, but that's the funnything.
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Like, I don't necessarily wanna be an audiencemember for the grass league.
I wanna be a player on it.
So 100%.
Why I don't watch golf.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just that's to me, the PGA Tour is a thingon its own, and that's why I watch it a lot.
And obviously, the Ryder Cup and everything.
I think we can all agree that even if you don'tlike watching golf, the Ryder Cup is one that
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you're gonna watch.
Right?
Yeah.
Presidents Cup, Ryder Cup, I'm in.
It's kinda like soccer where the World Cupcomes around.
The US is playing in that, and all of a sudden,everybody in the United States that's a sports
fan is going nuts at an Irish pub.
Like, yep.
It's just what happens.
So same thing happens with the Ryder Cup.
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People that aren't even that interested in golfall of a sudden are USA, USA.
So we're gonna be getting behind the U.S.
team for sure, with this.
And it's been an interesting take from youaround the European team having that stronger
team as well as the fact that you think thatthe European team is going to take it this year
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on U.S.
soil, which my goodness gracious, if thathappens
Medinah.
The story that could potentially come fromthat, can Tiger Woods be the savior to coach
and captain the U.S.
team on foreign soil?
No chance.
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Just you wait.
Just you wait.
Know it's coming, but it's it's rain already.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
That's that's one of the funniest things.
Right?
It's like, you think about everything that hashappened with like, you look at the players
that are on the council for the board, and youkinda look at how they kinda get talked about
and how they play and all this other stuff.
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And you just wonder, like, okay, so Xander,Collin, Trick, like, got all these guys.
You're kinda like, man, alright.
Like, top players, whatever.
Like, cool.
Like, they should be just fine.
And then all of a sudden, like, they'll getinto they'll get into these events, they're
just kinda like, yeah.
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Okay.
Well, that's underwhelming.
Well, the U.S.
was always, like, known as being theindividualistic team.
Team of egos, the team of, hey, I'm the bestindividual player in the world, where the
Europeans were always the band of brothers, theguys who really went to bat for each other and
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understood camaraderie and team golf.
And that really hasn't changed that much, Idon't think.
Like, you kinda still have remember the pods?
Were you too young for the pods?
Oh, I remember.
Yeah.
When all of a sudden that was a brilliant idea,the U.S., we're gonna have pods where you're
gonna have your little clique and you're justgonna play with that clique in all four days.
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And all of a sudden it's like, oh my gosh, youjust literally, like, you turned it into high
school where you've got cliques of peoplewithin the same team that don't even hang out.
Yeah.
They don't hang out.
They don't like each other.
They don't they don't they couldn't care lessbecause they're not getting paid.
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Like, that's that's that's what this all comesdown to.
They don't get paid.
They don't care.
I mean, David Duval got a bad rep for hiscomments around the Ryder Cup.
You know, Patrick Cantlay not wanting to wearthe cap over there, internationally because he
wasn't being paid for it.
Really made a stink about it.
And then everybody's waving their caps.
And then that led to Joe LaCava and RoryMcIlroy's beef.
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So we've got a lot to look forward to with thisRyder Cup.
I don't the one the one negative that I willbring up here at the end.
I don't love closing out shows with negatives,but the one negative thing did you see the
ticket prices for this Ryder Cup?
Just outrageous.
I think we talked about this a few months ago.
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We did.
Because we touched on it.
And I think I almost blew, like, I literallyalmost lost my mind.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I actually did losemy mind, and then I just didn't say anything.
But wasn't it like it had—I think the base waslike in the thousands, wasn't it?
Fifteen hundred was, yeah, kind of the startingmain ticket, I guess.
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In New York.
Well, that's why.
Because they knew that they could sell thetickets to all these corporate groups and get
corporate people out there.
I mean, and it made it tough for the generalfan to be able to afford and go out there.
And notable New York—I mean, listen, I'm not amassive fan of any of the politics in the
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Northeast.
However, the general blue-collar, hard NewYorker is not the type of person that's gonna
shut up when a European Tour player is gonnahit.
I mean, the Sergio Garcia, Bethpage Black, Ithink it was like 2002 or something like that,
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where he re-gripped 15 times and the guy says,all that for that, and he flips them off.
You can't tell me that that same gentleman isnot still alive, I hope he is, and is gonna be
there on the first tee saying that exact samething.
That's what made the U.S.
Open so wild and amazing at Bethpage Black, wasbecause you could go buy a ticket for an
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inexpensive amount of money to go to the U.S.
Open.
And by the way, Bethpage is a huge property, soyou could fit so many people at Bethpage.
I really hope that the fans show up and showout for the U.S.
team in such a big way, but that also mighthave been part of their strategy in jacking up
the ticket prices, hoping that it wouldn't gettoo rowdy.
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Because New Yorkers, we can get a little bittoo rowdy at times.
Same with Boston folks.
So yeah.
You know, we will see what ends up coming fromthe Ryder Cup.
But nonetheless, as a guy who grew up inUpstate New York and lived in the city, I will
tell you what.
Now being out in Arizona, I'm looking at thisRyder Cup, and I'm a little bit shocked that a
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lot of people have talked about that have beento multiple Ryder Cups saying that it's the
worst event to be at in person.
I'm kind of like, I was kicking myself aboutnot buying a ticket or anything, but hearing
that from multiple people that have been toseveral, like, been to majors.
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They've been to the Masters.
They have been to several different types ofevents and will travel from time to time to go
to events.
They all said because of the massive crowds atthe Ryder Cup that it's very difficult to see
if all of a sudden you're in a good spot andyou see one shot.
Guess what?
Everybody's moving, and you gotta all of asudden get to the next because there's only so
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many groups that are playing at a given time.
So it's very difficult to get a good viewingexperience.
But for those of you that are going to theRyder Cup at Bethpage, I hope you have an
absolute blast.
I hope you have an awesome time.
And I want to thank, first of all, Brent,because you've been having a very busy
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schedule.
You are getting ready for Q School.
And, yeah, you got a countdown going on.
So make sure folks to go follow Mr.
Brent Grant.
And I believe it's Brent underscore Grant golf.
Is that right?
Mhmm.
Think so.
Let me just
On Instagram.
I believe that's it.
Feel like I've tagged you enough in content.
Probably.
So, folks, go check out Brent's Instagram page.
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Keep up with his Instagram stories as heprepares for Q School.
We hope you make it back, Brent, and we'll behaving you back on, but obviously before then,
hopefully.
Until next time folks, peace out.
A-Town down.
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