May 22, 2025 • 50 mins
In this episode, Matt Cook, Buttsy, and Brent Grant dive into Scottie Scheffler and Jon Rahm's prospects and recent performances, providing insights into major wins and surprises from the PGA Championship. The discussion covers Scheffler's mental game and a leaderboard rundown, while also touching on JT's caddie change and top players' struggles. Rory McIlroy's driver controversy and equipment disparities are examined, alongside LIV Golf updates and Bryson DeChambeau's swing issues. The episode includes LIV Golf criticism and Bubba Watson's appearance on the Pat McAfee Show. A preview of the Charles Schwab Challenge and TGL franchise announcement rounds out the conversation, with sponsor shoutouts closing the episode.
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Talk to us a little bit, Buttsy, about, youknow, what you would like to see from Scottie
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Scheffler moving forward.
I don't wanna call it cockiness, but let's,let's externalize what you might feel on the
inside, which is you know you're the best.
And it's okay to maybe I mean, Tiger did this.
Like, we keep saying Tiger, Tiger, Tiger, buthe was a benchmark.
And it's the same thing when we go back totalking about, like, a Sunday.
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He didn't wanna just have a five-shot lead atall costs.
He wanted to absolutely slit people's fuckingheads off.
Great to see Jon Rahm back on a leaderboard ona Sunday.
We absolutely love that.
And we love the fact that he kinda looks like abad guy out there.
Right?
Kinda looks like this big mean guy who he'swearing the all black with the pink.
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Like, he just kinda looks like a disgruntledgentleman out there or a gentle giant who, you
know, is playing the bad guy role.
And a lot of people look at him as the bad guywith LIV Golf.
It was a little bit too bad that he fell off.
But that just goes to being under that type ofpressure and getting comfortable under that
type of pressure because as soon as he got tiedfor the lead, he just absolutely collapsed.
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By the way, I don't think this has anything todo with him playing on LIV Golf and not.
Well, I mean, look at look at obviously, he wonthe Masters, and and it's amazing.
And and, you know, he's he's played well inmajors in his career, but he's not you know, in
the time that he spent on the PGA Tour, itwasn't like he had won three majors like
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Scottie Scheffler.
Buttsy, what was the weirdest thing about thismajor for you from the players that didn't play
well?
Just bad luck.
I don't know.
There's no I don't think there's a rhyme orreason.
I think it's just like a perfect storm, man.
Like, some of the top guys just had an offweek, like, at the same time.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
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I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our co-host, Buttsy, withus.
We've also got tour insider, Mr.
Brent Grant, PGA Tour, Korn Ferry player.
And my goodness gracious, do we have a greatshow for all of you.
So this is our 2025 PGA Championship recapepisode.
Last week was the preview episode.
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So if you don't know, now you know.
Alright.
Tonight's episode, we're gonna be kicking itoff with the tee-off report with Buttsy.
We've also got, as I mentioned, the majority ofthis show is gonna be around the 2025 PGA
Championship recap, which, unfortunately, wegotta talk a little bit about Rory McIlroy's
illegal driver getting taken away.
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We'll be talking about that.
We're also gonna talk about LIV Golf and howthey did at the PGA Championship in our
opinions.
And then from there, we've got the upcomingCharles Schwab Challenge at Colonial.
So we'll dive a little bit outside of the, youknow, the PGA Championship.
And then we've got the TGL expansion going on.
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A little news there from the TGL already, andwe'll get into that at the very, very end.
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Buttsy's got the T-shirt on.
If you can't see, Buttsy's dancing.
I mean, that is a sick T-shirt too from Buttsyover there with the big oh, yeah.
With the big, big what is that?
A snake?
On the back of your shirt?
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And I did see so Devereaux's been posting a lotof stuff recently on social media.
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Obviously, Buttsy's rocking the hat tonight.
Got the hat up here in my shelving unit behindme as the backdrop.
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Let's kick it off with the tee-off report withButtsy.
Buttsy, you know, when we come around the ninthhole and we see that halfway house, now a lot
of times I see that smile come out of you and Irealize alcohol is on its way.
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However, I do wonder, coming around that turnafter the front nine, what food item gets you
the most excited to see?
I don't get excited at the turn grill food.
I really don't.
I probably did when I was younger.
I mean, the glizzy has just made a hugecomeback in the last few years.
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It's really become kind of a piece of popculture.
Talk about glizzies and a turn glizzy and blahblah blah.
T-shirts with glizzies on them.
They're a pain in the ass, dude.
They're flat out a pain in the ass.
If there's any wind at all, you gotta get allthese little napkins.
They fly all over the cart.
If you put any condiments on there, I like toput relish and a little bit of onions on there.
You're getting it on you no matter what you do.
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You gotta take your glove off.
You're getting oil and grease.
You gotta find a bathroom or have wipes.
It gets on the club.
Here's what I would like to see.
And maybe this exists in other parts of thecountry, but why is there a corn dog?
Why don't we have corn dogs at the turn?
Think about that.
I love corn dogs.
A little cornbread batter on the outside.
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You could even, like, dip it and do differentthings with it, but you're holding it by a
stick.
That's it.
It's not gonna get dirty.
You can do a little dip ski if you want to.
Where's the corn dogs?
I'd like to see corn dogs at the turn.
Corn dogs at the turn.
That is an aggressive play.
I like corn dogs.
I do know up at Quintero.
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I don't know if they still do it anymore.
And by the way, Quintero Golf Club, I justheard they're doing some renovations up there
is what I saw.
So anyways, at the turn, they brought in a chefand they were doing these brisket dogs to where
they had beef brisket that was smoked all day,and then they had it on this big, huge beef hot
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dog or glizzy as you like to refer to it likethe kids say.
Yeah.
That thing was money and then some cheese onit.
And I remember when I was up there, I'm like, Ilove me coming around the turn and seeing that
as an option there.
But yeah.
Brent, does anything get you excited about thehalfway house in terms of food?
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So there's a famous, it's called the Burger Dogup at Olympic and Silverado in Napa.
It is so good.
And it doesn't have that same, like the bigproblem with hot dogs is exactly what Buttsy
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said, you gotta have all these napkins andwhatever, but they make it so clean, put a
little cheese on it, put a little ketchup.
It's nothing crazy.
There's a little sit-down area most of thetime.
You could just house it and you feel good aboutyourself because it's really, really good.
That's probably the only thing I'll get on theturn, other than a Snickers bar or something
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like that.
So if you're not at Olympic Club, you don't getanything at the turn.
Yeah.
I don't.
Or Silverado.
Yeah.
I really don't although that brisket dog, thatwould be fantastic.
Yeah.
I'd swim in that thing.
Yeah.
Boys, we gotta make a trip up to Quintero.
I don't know if they're entirely gonna beclosed or whatnot, but we do need to try that
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brisket dog based on the.
There's what?
Scottsdale National up there.
There's some spots, right?
Deep, dude.
Quintero's Lake Pleasant.
Yeah.
Drove by last week Monday.
Was like, you still have three hours to go?
Okay.
Talking about food too, guys, I had my buddyMax over with his fiancée and my wife, and I
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got into the Blackstone.
So finally, for my birthday, the wife got me aBlackstone griddle.
Oh.
And so I went through the...
my buddy Max, he's
like I'm jealous.
a dad who just like knows every step to things.
So and he's very analytical.
So he jumped right in and was like, hey.
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This five-step process.
This is how we do it.
We're gonna burn off the first layer.
Then we're gonna wait till the smoke stops.
We're gonna burn the next layer, and we keptgoing into it.
Then we finished it off with onions and thenended up doing, of course, what do you do on a
griddle?
Smash burgers.
However, I do want at some point to create somechopped cheeses out of like Harlem and Queens
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in New York City.
These chopped cheeses, they're like a choppedcheeseburger, but they're all chopped up, put
into a hoagie roll.
Absolutely phenomenal.
I gotta figure out the seasoning that they use,but obviously, they do that on a flat top
griddle as well.
So, yeah, I'm gonna have to have you boys overfor a little barbecue time.
It was a very nice Sunday watching the PGAChampionship.
Fucking dare you.
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Yeah.
I will.
I will.
And I will cook for you boys.
But let's get into the PGA Championship aswe're talking.
Yeah.
It wasn't a Blackstone commercial.
Although.
I, I, although I did cook ribeyes on it lastnight, and it was unbelievable.
I'd like to think that golf and cooking—oh,yeah—were pretty synonymous.
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Watching, watching golf for sure.
Yeah.
I will, I will say this.
Most of the people that we meet out on the golfcourse that know Buttsy from social media, all
they rave about is the cooking channel.
So I think Buttsy's dead on with that, with thefact that golf and food and probably alcohol
all go hand in hand together.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And they go with most parts of life, I think.
So back to the PGA Championship recap, whichwas taking place on Sunday while I was having a
barbecue.
And sure enough, Scottie Scheffler ends upwinning this thing at minus 11, folks.
Minus 11, and Scottie Scheffler ends up takingit by five shots.
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You can see Brent's hand.
He is counting on each finger how many shotsScottie Scheffler won by, and we were talking
about it last week that I mean, the line that Iused was, you know, this golf course doesn't
fit Scottie Scheffler, but if Scottie Schefflerplays his best, he's gonna win the tournament.
So and that was who Brent ended up going withas well was Scottie Scheffler last week.
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Big win for the Pull Hook Golf squad.
I actually had a ticket on him, betting stub,so I ended up winning some money off of Scottie
Scheffler.
Oh, even though he was only plus four fifty.
Still, it's nice.
Well, I mean, that's
you know, doesn't suck.
Still gets the job done.
Gents, so let's talk a little Scottie Schefflerbecause on Sunday, he did not have it.
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Did you guys worry at all during that finalround that Scottie Scheffler was not going to
win this golf tournament?
Yeah.
We were talking about it.
We were playing golf, and we were like, Rahm,wow.
This might wow.
And no.
Not at all.
No doubt.
Zero doubt.
Brent's not buying it.
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Brent thought Scottie Scheffler was in fullcontrol, but Scottie was off to a rough start
on Sunday.
I'm gonna say,
the one question that I wanna ask ScottieScheffler if I was in the press room, if I was
able to ask Scottie Scheffler a question, itwould be, what do you do for your mental
preparation for golf tournaments?
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Because I don't know if he does anything.
Like, he's just himself.
You'd like, do you think he does anything,Buttsy?
No.
I don't think there's any breathing work oranything like that.
I think he's just that guy.
I think he just, like, enjoys it and deals withit accordingly.
I don't think he gets too excited.
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I don't even know if he's capable of gettingtoo excited.
He just kind of seems to be wired that way.
I'm sorry.
We got to go back for just a second.
Track golfer said, dude, we're going to do corndogs at Palm Brook.
We'll be out at Palm Brook all the time.
And like, look up a company called Two Hands.
Okay?
This place is just corn dogs.
It doesn't take much to add a little zest toyour corn dog.
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I know this isn't a food podcast.
And could they
We keep going back to it.
It might turn into it.
You can do a fucker.
You could take that batter up before it's done,roll it in some hot Cheeto.
Okay.
Getting back to track golfer's next comment,which was he talks to God in reference to
Scottie Scheffler.
And here's the thing.
Like, with Tiger Woods, one of the biggestbenefits to Tiger during his prime wasn't even
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necessarily his golf swing.
Obviously, it was absolutely fantastic.
Hit the ball a mile, was playing a tour Balatawhen everybody else was playing a little bit
firmer of golf balls.
And sure enough, Tiger Woods, though, themental side of his game, he used to do a ton of
meditation because his mother being gosh, whatwas she?
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she? Not
sure, but she's a Buddhist.
Was Thai, right?
Well, was Thai.
Was she Tai?
So she practiced Buddhism, which if you knowanything about Buddhism, there's a lot of being
Zen and mental preparation and meditation andso forth.
And then you had his dad, the military guy, whohardened him from a mental standpoint and
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messed with him throughout his golf rounds.
Scottie Scheffler is a little shaky to me, andI've brought this up numerous times.
I always get shit on because of it, but I standby it that he's a little shaky under pressure
situations.
I mean, you wouldn't ever see Tiger four-putt afinal hole of a major championship in order to
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win.
What did
I say, Brent?
Remember Sunday, I said, what's the over-underon him bogeying 18?
I bet you he bogeys 18.
To second Matt's point here, like
Yeah.
100%.
He's got a
big enough lead.
He's probably gonna bogey 18.
He's up by six.
That's what he does.
I mean, he hits it dead right over the bunkerinto a place that nobody wants to be in.
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He almost made his third.
Yeah.
I mean, he hit a pretty damn good pitch shot.
But, I mean, to your point, both of you guys, Imean, I think the mental preparation for
Scottie is obviously, you know, he's in theBible, he's in the Word, you know, he's got Ted
Scott on his bag, which, you know, they'reright there with him.
You know, he's got his family, and that's kindawhere he attempts to put his mind.
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But the big thing about Scottie is, and he'smentioned this many times, he's hyper, hyper
competitive.
Yeah.
So he does not shy away from saying, hey man,I've lost my cool, I lose my cool, I want so
badly to win.
But as he's kind of transitioned and he'sgotten older and obviously more mature and more
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experienced, he's been able to kind of pullhimself out of that and just kind of put
himself in a place.
And obviously Ted Scott helps that.
I think what, they've made $100 milliontogether or something, some ridiculous number.
And I totally agree with you, Brent.
However, my whole thing with him is if he wantsto get to that next level, I think that mental
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preparation side needs to come into play.
Like, you can't just he is so dang good and somuch better than everybody else when it comes
to distance control with his irons.
His driver is like I think Chamblee said it onthe Golf Channel as I was watching the post-PGA
Championship stuff that he was the number onedriver this week of the golf ball.
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And so, you know, his ball striking gets him sofar.
We know that he's got the short putting issuesa little bit, which a lot of great ball
strikers do.
Right?
We've seen it with Rory McIlroy.
We've seen it with others.
It just comes with the territory.
However, the mental preparation side is where Iwould love to know.
And I have a feeling that the answer is that hedoesn't really do anything to mentally prepare.
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That is more or less, you know, his faith.
Yeah.
Being out there with Ted.
And I just I don't see anything else that'sthere because he has a tough time coping with
the pressure.
He ends up getting through it.
Right?
We haven't really had that big debacle where hejust falls from the face of the planet.
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His ball striking's too good to allow him to dothat, in my opinion.
That's why I think we never see him fullycollapse or crumble.
No.
But there's that, like I just see that littlehitch in his game when it comes to the mental
side under pressure.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, especially I mean, this weekwas a perfect example.
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Right?
The front nine of Quail Hollow, anybody willtell you, it's really, really difficult.
He did start the day at a three-shot lead, sohe kind of can relax a little bit, but again,
it's that you can relax too much.
And I think when he's chasing somebody down ona Friday or Saturday, and that person isn't
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Rory or isn't Xander or isn't one of the topguys, he kinda just feels like, I'm better than
these guys.
But what you notice, and I think actually whatis kind of my biggest thing with Scottie is
when he's playing with those guys, when he'splaying with the top players, he doesn't
necessarily just all of a sudden just show outand kill everybody.
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On Saturday and Sunday, if those guys areplaying well, it's a battle, and sometimes he
loses.
Yeah, he maintains, for sure.
But then obviously, when it's not necessarilythe top players, and I mentioned this, I think,
on Thursday or Friday to Buttsy.
But when it's not necessarily the top players,he just goes and gets to a point where he
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doesn't need to necessarily make par, and thenhe just does what he does and wins by five,
which hasn't been seen since Tiger Woods.
When has he ever thrown it away?
Never.
Oh, FedEx Cup.
Okay.
FedEx Cup when?
Last
The playoffs.
Not last year because he finally won, but thetwo years prior, he came into it in first place
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and choked down the stretch on
Oh, and lost.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a weird one.
It's the FedEx Cup.
I still disagree with the whole start with a,you know, at a certain point.
Dude, I totally agree.
I was actually having this conversation overthe weekend with somebody who's really starting
to get into golf and wants to know about, like,the setup with the majors and with the FedEx
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Cup playoffs.
And I was trying to explain it all to him, andI'm just like, wow.
Yeah.
This really doesn't make a whole lot of sensebecause he's like, somebody gets 10 shots to
begin the tournament.
How do you backtrack away from that?
Right?
That was kinda crazy.
I still think the FedEx Cup playoffs should bestroke play for the first couple, and then you
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get to the final tournament at East Lake, andit becomes match play.
That would be
to see it.
So exciting.
Needs better.
However, Adam Scott did shut that down lastyear when he was asked about potentially
changing the format to match play.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's he's as you know, I I don't know what Idon't know what to feel about him sometimes
because some like, I've talked to him so manytimes.
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He's the nicest guy, but just the the idea ofkind of adjusting course at all with the way
the tour is going, he's just like, nope.
We're just doing this, and this is the way it'sgonna be.
Period.
End of story.
Obviously, it's working for him, so who cares?
But
So mental side, we've talked about with ScottieScheffler.
I do want to get to what you mentioned, Brent,where most people are not aware that Scottie
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Scheffler is that damn competitive.
And when he slammed his hat down and said, fuckyeah, like, that to me was a different side to
Scottie that we're finally starting to see.
And, Buttsy, we've talked about this a lot withScottie Scheffler that we would love to see
kind of behind the the veil, so to speak.
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Talk talk to us a little bit, Buttsy, about,you know, what you would like to see from
Scottie Scheffler moving forward.
I don't wanna call it cockiness, but let's,let's externalize what you might feel on the
inside, which is you know you're the best.
And it's okay to maybe I mean, Tiger did this.
Like, we keep saying Tiger, Tiger, Tiger, buthe was the benchmark.
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And it's the same thing when we go back totalking about, like, a Sunday.
He didn't wanna just have a five-shot lead.
Mean, if at all costs, he wanted to absolutelyslit people's heads off.
Definitely.
And and hammer it home and, like, no, you know,unrelenting victory.
I mean, how many did he win by at Pebble?
Was it, like, 15 or some shit?
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And I think that was his goal his entire careerwas just to absolutely be as dominant as
possible, and just don't know.
Scottie's amazing, so it's hard for me toreally say that he doesn't have a good mental
game or that there's a weakness in it.
But, yeah, I would like to see him maybe be alittle more like you.
Kyle over at Carbond Guy says that he shouldget a gold chain.
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I think he wears a gold chain, does he not?
I think he already wears a little Jesus piecefor sure.
Love that.
Love that outfit.
Under his shirt, but I think he should get abig one, you know, maybe like a rap-style one.
Right?
What that's worth, like, a couple mil with,like, 40 carats worth of diamonds, and it's
like a guy doing a shuffle dance on therebecause that's his move.
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Yeah.
Like the AK chain, Kyle says.
Belt buckle.
Or an SS chain.
Oh.
Could you imagine an SS chain?
That could go hard.
Hard.
Yeah.
Brent is rolling his eyes over there.
As a purist of the game, he's like, no.
Absolutely not.
Now let's talk a little leaderboard rundown.
Enough of Scottie for the moment.
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Let's talk about who came in second place.
So Harris English, Bryson DeChambeau, and DavisRiley all finished T2 at minus 6, which, by the
way, Scottie Scheffler finished at minus 11 andwon by five shots.
He had a six-shot lead going into the last,obviously made bogey in order to take it home.
Then T5, you got J.T.
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Poston, Taylor Pendrith, and Jonathan Vegas.
Johnny Vegas, after, you know, all the injurieshe's dealt with to be back, that's a pretty
cool story right there.
He's the man.
T8, we've got Rahm, Fitzpatrick, Si Woo, BenGriffin, Keegan Bradley, Denny McCarthy, Ryan
Gerard, Joaquin Niemann, and Joe Highsmith.
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I don't know why I couldn't get Highsmith out,but there's your leaderboard rundown for the
PGA Championship.
But, guys, was this a weird major?
We had so many guys coming in playing so damnwell, and this was a golf course that we've
seen Rory play extremely well.
We've seen Xander play extremely well, andwe've seen Justin Thomas play it extremely well
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as well, but none of those guys played well.
Is there something to be said about a coursethat you're very familiar with and then all of
a sudden gets to a major championship level interms of the layout and everything, and you
just come in expecting too much?
I'll start with you, Brent.
Yeah.
I certainly think that's possible.
I mean, even just on the regular local level.
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I mean, you play a course, you know, that'syour normal home course, and all of a sudden
it's a tournament, and it's like, whoa.
You know?
But I think the most disappointing finish forme was JT.
I mean, I understand Rory also has playedreally well there, but for Justin to be
trending and kinda be running a little bitunder the radar last week at the Truist, for
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him to MC Hammer, you know, just especially Imean, I think that was, what, his second week
back with his first caddy.
That's probably the most disappointing, but italso shows how fickle the game is, kind of like
what I was saying on text earlier this lastweek.
Yeah, golf, man.
That's all there is to it.
Did JT make a mistake by letting Joe Greinergo?
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I wanna throw that back to you, Brent, beforewe get Buttsy's thoughts on it.
Man, you know, I feel like it'd be like ifeither one of you were on my bag for a year or
two, and we had success, and then one of youguys got hurt, and I go and win with somebody,
did the conversation happen where it's like,Dude, we just won an elevated event together.
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We'll give you Collin's bag.
Something, but it would be one of thosedecisions where it would be like, we would have
to sit down.
But also have to mad respect for saying
You stand up.
I mean, a stand-up decision.
Obviously, I'm sure he'll win early, you know,later this year, and it'll all be fine.
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So Buttsy, what was the weirdest thing aboutthis major for you from the players that didn't
play well?
Just bad luck.
I don't know.
There's no I don't think there's a rhyme orreason.
I think it's just like a perfect storm, and,like, some of the top guys just had an off
week, like, at the same time.
I don't know.
I don't think there's really anything to itspecifically.
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It just seemed like some guys that you expectedto play good were just a little off at the same
time.
I
don't know.
You know what's funny about it is I have asaying that expectations are the killers of
dreams.
And sure enough, like, if you play a golfcourse really, really well.
And like I said, this is not set up like a PGATour event.
Set up like a major.
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Like, the rough was thicker.
I mean, it ended up getting very fast and firmtowards the end, but it's like you come into
that thinking, oh, I got a chance to win.
And if you're thinking that at the beginning ofthe week rather than just going out and playing
shot by shot, kinda getting ahead of yourself,it was too weird for me to see Rory struggle,
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Xander Schauffele struggle, and then there'sJustin Thomas struggle as well.
And those guys have played so well at thistrack.
It just was very surprising that we saw allthree of them do it.
I think this goes into another thing aboutScottie not paying attention to anything in the
media, not watching social media, not that henever hears or sees or, at least he tries his
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best not to, see any vocalized expectation ofhimself.
And I wonder if seeing that about yourself, youknow, while you're scrolling the gram or maybe
you're watching Golf Channel, see what one ofyour buddies did or somebody else, and you hear
them come on there and talk about how you'reexpected to play well this week.
I would think subconsciously that might flip alittle bit.
That might be like, well, okay.
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Yeah, I'm supposed to do good here, and thatnever works.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, do you guys think, I mean, at a certainlevel, obviously, it's hard for us to put
ourselves in their shoes, I can put my
sons in their shoes.
Well, of course.
I mean, you're the empathic universe of allthings.
He is an empath.
But do you just get rid of your phone at acertain point when you're that level?
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I mean, that's what I would do.
I'd just be like, you know what?
My friends and family can reach me on thisnumber.
It doesn't have any apps on it.
Somebody else is running my social media.
They run my schedule.
I'm here to do one thing and one thing only,and that is golf.
And you just
have to be disciplined, bro.
Like, I mean, there's nothing wrong with notbeing on, you know, the things that might tick
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you off.
Can
still be
what I'm saying.
You can still have Fox News or whatever outletor Discovery, whatever weird shit you're into
looking at on your phone and reading about.
But I would probably have a policy of, like,I'm not gonna watch anything golf-related or
anywhere where there's any
type of, yeah, tournament.
Yeah, while you're at a tournament.
Nowhere where the public opinion can be seenabout me.
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But isn't that what makes Tiger's run kind oflike, if all of these guys go back, right, into
the late '90s, early 2000s and into the 2010sbefore social media really kicked off, do you
think there would have been more of these guysdominating?
I mean, Tiger was the best and is the best ofall time, but at the same time, there was no
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social media.
The paparazzi was the only thing that he had todeal with, but other than that, he did his job.
He was there to do a job and win, period, endof story.
And I think Tiger did watch TV, and I thinkhe's probably, like I said, he's probably the
only one, like, in the last 40 years that'swired to the point where if he hears somebody
say, are we gonna see Tiger continue hisdominance and win this next event?
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He's like, yeah.
Like Michael Jordan.
He probably made up stories to get pissed offor something like that and just went out and
just fought with a chip on his shoulder, eventhough he was world number one by 80,000,000
points.
I woulda had Mike, I woulda had Steve backthen, like, just make up scenarios where guys
were talking shit about me that I wasn't thatgood, and I woulda just had to make stuff up.
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So like you just said, I was just pissed cominginto the week.
I mean, it'd be, it worked for, you know,literally the GOAT.
So
Michael Jordan.
Yep.
And Jordan.
Arizona.
He used to love bulletin board material.
Mhmm.
Even to the point to where he would make shitup.
Literally.
Yeah.
Literally.
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I still remember the George Karl when they wereplaying against the Utah Jazz, and George Karl
didn't come over and say hi to him.
They were at the same restaurant, and he usedthat as fuel to stick it to George Karl for not
coming over and saying hi.
Or how about when he played, like, 36 in themorning and had 15 beers and went out and went
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off for 40 or whatever the amount was justbecause, like, yeah, I can do that.
Guy was just a different level, man.
Anti-live.
We'll be getting into the LIV Golf side in justa few minutes.
Pin that one.
Pin that one.
That's a great one.
That might be for next week.
We're gonna go ahead and heart that one there.
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Now Max Homa, we had a little sighting for.
We were talking about him last week, how, youknow, he plays really well at Quail Hollow, and
could that end up helping him this week at amajor championship?
I mean, we all kind of said the same thingaround Max Homa that now there's too much rust
there.
But, man, for two days, he was up towards thetop of the leaderboard and really was looking
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good.
But per what we said, rust on a golf swing andnot having been in form coming into it,
eventually over four days, you're gonna getstuck at some point.
And sure enough, round three, I think he missedsomething like eight out of, like, 12 holes.
He missed the green to start the round and wasjust off.
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I mean, that's and he's a good ball striker.
That's what was crazy about it.
So clearly, that kinda broke him a little biton Saturday, and then Sunday was not good for
him at all.
Just wanted to kind of bring up that we had alittle Max Homa sighting, so that's, you know,
that's not a bad thing for golf.
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That's I feel like that's a good thing.
And then Rory McIlroy.
K?
We gotta talk about the illegal driver.
So this comes out before the tournament starts,and sure enough, he was one of the I believe
they test what?
50 golfers or a third of the field, somethingalong those lines?
Whole field.
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No.
They do not do the whole field.
They don't.
No.
So Xander Schauffele even made a comment aboutit that he feels like at every major,
everybody's driver should get tested, andthat's for the fairness of the game.
I did hear a stat too, and I don't know if thisis a fake stat or not.
I didn't have time to go look it up or anythinglike that, but the stat was that at the
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Masters, Rory outdrove Xander by 20 yards onaverage, like, for for for the entire week.
This week, Xander Schauffele outdrove Rory byeight yards.
Yeah.
So there you go.
I mean, I'll jump in here.
Right?
At
least do.
attest to this, and I'm sure most of the peoplethat are watching this pod already know this,
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but tour heads are better.
And they're only better because, you know,they're handpicked and tested off the assembly
line.
And the ones that don't test right at themaximum level, like, are no good.
Like, if it's a little under, well, guess what?
They're gonna go through a hundred more untilthey find one that's right at the limit because
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why wouldn't they?
Right?
Why wouldn't you have something that's asmaximized as it can be?
So that said, if you're right at the limit, youcould have temperature and hitting a few range
balls cause the club to come out of compliancepretty quickly.
And, if you got a great head and you're justplaying week to week, you're probably not
testing it yourself.
So I don't know.
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It's kinda hard to blame Rory for that.
I don't think that there was intent in playinga fake or not a fake, but an illegal driver.
I just think it was a little over, and that'skinda how the cookie crumbled.
Brent, what about you?
What's your take on Rory McIlroy with theillegal I
think if it were anybody else in the field,which I'm sure there was, there's probably six
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or seven guys that if they popped, it gets outthere.
Otherwise, it doesn't get out there.
But that's media bias.
But other than that, I've had my driver testedprobably a dozen, 15 times.
And the one time I can tell you that I kind ofgot around the system was when I had them test
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the driver that I was testing rather than theone that I had been playing, because I sort of
thought, okay, hey, I'll put
this. Yeah, how does
Yeah, how does that work?
They just say, which driver are you playingthis week?
And you hand it to them, and they go test it.
They either give it back and say, hey, it'sover, or they just take it.
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Personally, I don't think, even when I'veflattened faces or cracked faces, I don't think
you're getting the kind of distance.
It's not gonna be a 20- to 25-yard difference.
I mean, we're talking about, what, six miles anhour at that point.
But it does speak to how finicky that systemcan be.
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If the number two player in the world givesthem his driver and they're like, it's just
over.
Okay.
Take it out.
And then he puts a brand new driver on Tuesdayafternoon in play, because obviously on
Wednesday there's no pro-am.
He practices with it, thinks it's good, andthen he goes out and plays.
But obviously, it kinda gives you a little bitof doubt because it's not something that you've
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been playing for months at a time.
Well, and apparently, he had been using thisfor going back close to a year, which over a
period of time, just so that everybody knows,it's not like he had a brand new driver.
It got tested.
He was trying to cheat the system.
These faces wear thin, and especially when youhave driver swing speed like Rory McIlroy, over
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time, these things start to thin out, and youget very much so a trampoline effect.
Especially composite.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's literally
There's a rub to it.
What's the carbon?
Right?
It's like a It's
a laminate.
It's a lot of plastic with carbon, but like,yeah, you could buff that bad boy down over
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time and How
does that look for Taylor?
Mean, the fact that he's not playing their newdriver, or he wasn't playing their new driver?
I mean, he won the Masters with it.
We all we all know.
I mean, drivers are mainly marketing, like,year in and year out.
Like, once you get a gamer, you're not changingthat for a long time.
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Right.
And if he's going from the gamer to a backup inthat short amount of time frame, he's gonna use
the same driver head.
What's crazy a hundred.
What's crazy away from the illegal part withRory is like I was saying about them pulling
heads and testing them.
What your average guy that's convinced to goout and spend a thousand dollars on a club off
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of the rack, what their tolerance is thatthey'll let those fly out at and how low they
can actually be.
Dude, I tested two heads, like, in one youknow, the ball speeds are, like, 15 miles an
hour different.
15 to 20 miles an hour, and it's being sold onthe shelf as a a brand new perfectly viable
driver.
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And it's like, it's not the case.
So I don't know.
I don't know how you get around that withoutjust having access to tour heads, but you
should definitely go and test a lot ofsomething when you're making a decision to buy
one.
Yeah.
There are some that actually make it throughthe process, and they're actually over the
limit.
Some of the heads that make it to the shelvesare, but to your point, people always say
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they're playing different equipment.
It's not necessarily that it's different, as ina completely different, although Scottie
Scheffler last year was playing a differentface on his driver.
But it's the driver and the woods are where Ithink the biggest gap exists to your point,
Buttsy.
And it is kind of an interesting thing.
And obviously, when the golf ball gets rolledback, if the PGA Tour doesn't do it, but, you
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know, the USGA forces all the manufacturers todo it, who knows?
I mean, it's it's definitely gonna throweverybody for a loop.
You heard Brad talk about it on Sunday.
Right?
Like, there's to the public, there's a PXGregular head, and there's a tour head, and you
can buy those.
There are also five other variations of thetour head available to tour players.
So little little different in terms ofoptimizing.
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But speed wise, yeah, I like what you'resaying, what Xander said.
Everybody should get tested day of.
Okay.
If you've been playing something, it's over.
We're gonna find out, and you're not gonna getthat extra, you know, 15 yards that you've been
getting.
Totally agree.
Let's get into since the LIV Golf crowd waslosing their mind and calling Rory McIlroy a
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cheater and all this and that, and it wasn'tthat in the least.
It was basic like, they I feel like becausethey're not knowledgeable, they really felt
like Rory put in an illegal driver and gotcaught.
Oh, no.
But that's not the case, folks.
No.
Over a period of time, drivers become illegal.
I feel like there's enough out there now interms of knowledge around that.
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He may have known that this one is, forwhatever reason, really good.
But yeah.
Pretty hot.
And by the way, when you start getting thattrampoline effect, I'm sure you guys have,
like, this, that the ball goes a little bitstraighter too.
It does.
It absolutely does.
I mean, there have been times where I've hit adrive and felt the ball literally compress into
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the face, and then I look at the driver's faceand go, Oh shit, I just flattened.
That's literally how that works.
And the tolerances are it's one of thosethings, man.
It's like, imagine if a golf company put outthose tour heads enough to where people with
fast enough swing speeds were breaking them.
They would have to replace them.
So there's no reason for them to put outdrivers that can't last.
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Are we gonna discuss Bryson's
Right now.
Crank driver?
Look out the ball.
No.
We're we're getting into it right now.
Okay.
LIV Golf, they fell a little bit short thisweek.
They had three players in the top 10, whichnormally you would say that's a huge success
for LIV Golf.
However, Jon Rahm was tied for the lead andends up faltering.
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I will say this.
I'm gonna throw in the caveat.
Great to see Jon Rahm back on a leaderboard ona Sunday.
We absolutely love that, and we love the factthat he kinda looks like a bad guy out there.
Right?
He kinda looks like this big, mean guy who he'swearing the all black with the pink.
Like, he just kinda looks like a disgruntledgentleman out there or a gentle giant who, you
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know, is playing the bad guy role.
And a lot of people look at him as the bad guywith LIV Golf.
It was a little bit too bad that he fell off,but that just goes to being under that type of
pressure and getting comfortable under thattype of pressure because as soon as he got tied
for the lead, he just absolutely collapsed.
And I don't by the way, I don't think this hasanything to do with him playing on LIV Golf and
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not.
No.
This was just him not being comfortable underthat type of pressure.
Well, I mean, look at look at he won theMasters, and and it's amazing.
And and, you know, he's he's played well inmajors in his career, but he's not, you know,
in the time that he spent on the PGA Tour,wasn't like he had won three majors like
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Scottie Scheffler or multiple like RoryMcIlroy.
So it is one of those things.
The greatest thing about Jon Rahm, and theykind of did it with Sergio back in the day too,
is they go, He's fiery, and the Spaniards.
And it's like, listen, that's not necessarily agood thing when you're coming down the stretch.
I mean, that year he lost The Players becausehe tried to hit a three iron from the bunker on
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11 and made a double.
Like, it it's it just shows him that he's he'san idiot when it comes down to real, real
pressure.
That being said, Bryson DeChambeau also justcouldn't quite find the gear in order to really
be competitive.
Like, he was right there once again, but I justfelt like there was a gear missing for Bryson
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DeChambeau that he just couldn't quite get itdone, or at least impact Scottie Scheffler down
the stretch to where it's like, hey, I'm hereand I'm coming for you.
Never really was that.
He kinda finished tied for second in kind of abackdoor kind of way.
So he did bring up, though, that he said acompany needs to create a golf ball to handle
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my swing speed in order to compete at the U.S.
Open this year because golf balls at that highof a swing speed do not go straight enough.
So it sounds so ridiculous just to hear that.
To say it out loud, it just doesn't sound good.
What I wanted to bring up, you go back, and wekeep bringing up Tiger.
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But like you said, Tiger was producing speednot far off, I feel like, in his prime to what
Bryson's doing and doing it with asteel-shafted driver and playing a wound golf
ball and finding a way to get it to spin andmove.
He played the softest ball out there.
Yeah.
He did.
And maybe it did cost him, right, how hard hewas hitting it.
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He wasn't known for driving it the straightest,but he was still dominant.
So to come out, it's just I don't know.
It's a little fucking Bryson thing too is all.
Bridgestone welcomed him with open arms, and,you know, they give him whatever he needs.
They can build him whatever they want.
They do the same thing with Tiger, and he justtrashes them, the same way that he trashed the
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iron company that he works with, the same wayhe trashed Cobra.
I mean, would be one of those things that if Iwere his PR or agent, whatever manager, I'd
just be like, what are you
doing?
Yeah.
It's like, dude, you have built yourself up tobe this fan favorite YouTube guy, lovable,
like, getting into the crowd and being, like,Arnie Palmer kinda.
(44:04):
And it's like, what
the hell are
you doing by saying stuff like this?
And then it's like, it makes it look like a bigold excuse.
Oh, I'm not able to compete because my golfball doesn't go straight enough.
Well, look what Rory McIlroy did before goingon this big winning streak.
First of all, he switched to a softer golf ballwith TaylorMade.
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He went from the TP5x down to the TP5.
Look at Tiger Woods.
When he was in his prime, he went to a muchsofter ball.
He was basically playing a Tour Balata.
For premium with
84 compression.
Yeah.
So, I mean, guys, like, Bryson, you're supposedto be a big science guy, but, like, this just
came across as being whiny and a major excuse.
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It's asinine, bro.
You're saying that I'm overpowering the ball.
It doesn't go straight enough.
Well, that's the point of golf.
They need to figure out how to gear back andcontrol it the
same playing a crank driver.
He's playing a crank driver.
No.
And he's got the LA Golf driver now.
Oh, it's an LA Golf driver, which is basically,
(45:10):
that he helped them engineer.
Yeah.
for long drive, essentially.
But what's amazing is that I played with FrankLickliter ten years ago, and he was playing the
softest TaylorMade ball there was, and he said,"Listen, spin is control." Now, if you watch
Bryson's flight, he hits knuckle draws on everysingle one, and all day, first Thursday and
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Friday, he's bombing it over the green.
He's bombing it over the green by 15 to 20yards.
And you're like, that's not because the ballisn't straight enough.
It's because the ball you're playing is toofirm and too hot.
what he's trying
to do.
I understand what he's trying to say.
And just
don't in a word.
You can't just use science to fix what othergolfers have had to figure out their entire
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careers, which is how to have control.
If it was all about, like, we'll just designwhat works for me so I could swing as hard as I
want.
Like, yeah, we want to see you swing hard, butyou have to learn how to control that.
If you can't swing super hard and control it,then you're gonna have a miss.
And then you should probably just use yourdriver as a weapon when it permits, and the
hole is wide enough.
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And, you know, that's golf.
That's golf.
That's like saying, well, why can't, you know,I should be able to carry 10 wedges because I
just I don't really have a good feel from 89yards.
I'd like to have something that works a littlebetter for me from that yardage.
Well, that's not how it fucking works.
Like
Yeah.
I mean, it would be like so, so, so I, youknow, I don't hit it short, but at the end of
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the day, it's like everybody else that's outthere that swings it anywhere from 122 to 130
in there.
They do just fine.
And I'm so tired of him looking at these golfcompanies and going, you must give me what I
want, and there's nothing anybody can do aboutit.
At a certain point, these companies are justgonna be like, listen, dude.
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You're not playing on the PGA Tour.
You're playing on the LIV Tour.
If you play four tournaments that are on TV ayear, like actual TV, screw you.
Don't make no balls.
Do that because he's still an absolutesensation and revolutionized YouTube golf as
sure.
Sure.
Ball, but yeah.
Then he can do that with his own ball.
So guys also
Grown a lot, but he needs to go up a littlemore.
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LIV Golf got destroyed by the Pat McAfee Show,and, you know, those guys don't know golf.
However, they actually had some really goodpoints because they were at LIV Golf's defense,
like, last year and talking about, like, theopportunity and so forth for these players and
everything.
And, of course, you're gonna go take the moneyif that kind of money is thrown at you and
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whatnot.
However, they trashed the format and how youcan never watch these guys anymore.
And, like, they were pretty spot on with a lotof the stuff that they were saying.
Well, that's not the entire story.
Today, the day after that all transpires on thePat McAfee Show, guess what?
Bubba Watson has been flown in to Indiana inorder to be in studio with Pat McAfee and talk
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about Liv Golf.
And so I gotta give credit to the Liv Golf PRteam who is like, hey, guys.
Who can fly to Indiana right now and be instudio for Pat McAfee tomorrow?
We're paying ESPN to get you a spot on the PatMcAfee Show so that we can kinda combat some of
these things that are being said.
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Mhmm.
So that was pretty interesting.
Yeah.
Let's talk quickly because we do have to jump,folks.
The upcoming Charles Schwab Challenge.
Buttsy, who do you got?
I don't know who's in the field, to be honest.
Throw out a name.
You want me to go through the odds reallyquick?
Yeah.
Give me the So
So we got Scottie Scheffler is playing becauseit's at Colonial.
Daniel Berger, Jordan Spieth, Hideki Matsuyama,Tommy Fleetwood, Mav McNeely, Aaron Rai, Harris
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English, Si Woo Kim, JT Poston, RobertMacIntyre, JJ Spaun, Brian Harman, Davis
Thompson, Keith Mitchell.
Bet I bet Si Woo.
I would go with Si Woo this week.
I like that pick.
Like that pick.
He's playing really, really well right now.
Brent, who you got?
I'm gonna go with Hideki Matsuyama.
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Beautiful.
And I've got Jordan Spieth.
I think Jordan Spieth finally breaks throughfor his first win in a while, and hopefully he
gets it done.
But we also, before we head off, the TGL justannounced a brand new franchise.
It is the Utah Soak.
Just kidding.
It is the Motor City Golf Club, and granted, weare still waiting for the Utah Soakers
(49:44):
headlined by Tony Feenal, but that's not yet.
But an expansion in the TGL is pretty promisingfor that league to be bringing on a brand new
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Peace out.
A-Town down.
Talk to us a little bit, Buttsy, about, youknow, what you would like to see from Scottie
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Scheffler moving forward.
I don't wanna call it cockiness, but let's,let's externalize what you might feel on the
inside, which is you know you're the best.
And it's okay to maybe I mean, Tiger did this.
Like, we keep saying Tiger, Tiger, Tiger, buthe was a benchmark.
And it's the same thing when we go back totalking about, like, a Sunday.
(00:24):
He didn't wanna just have a five-shot lead atall costs.
He wanted to absolutely slit people's fuckingheads off.
Great to see Jon Rahm back on a leaderboard ona Sunday.
We absolutely love that.
And we love the fact that he kinda looks like abad guy out there.
Right?
Kinda looks like this big mean guy who he'swearing the all black with the pink.
(00:46):
Like, he just kinda looks like a disgruntledgentleman out there or a gentle giant who, you
know, is playing the bad guy role.
And a lot of people look at him as the bad guywith LIV Golf.
It was a little bit too bad that he fell off.
But that just goes to being under that type ofpressure and getting comfortable under that
type of pressure because as soon as he got tiedfor the lead, he just absolutely collapsed.
(01:10):
By the way, I don't think this has anything todo with him playing on LIV Golf and not.
Well, I mean, look at look at obviously, he wonthe Masters, and and it's amazing.
And and, you know, he's he's played well inmajors in his career, but he's not you know, in
the time that he spent on the PGA Tour, itwasn't like he had won three majors like
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Scottie Scheffler.
Buttsy, what was the weirdest thing about thismajor for you from the players that didn't play
well?
Just bad luck.
I don't know.
There's no I don't think there's a rhyme orreason.
I think it's just like a perfect storm, man.
Like, some of the top guys just had an offweek, like, at the same time.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
(01:51):
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our co-host, Buttsy, withus.
We've also got tour insider, Mr.
Brent Grant, PGA Tour, Korn Ferry player.
And my goodness gracious, do we have a greatshow for all of you.
So this is our 2025 PGA Championship recapepisode.
Last week was the preview episode.
(02:13):
So if you don't know, now you know.
Alright.
Tonight's episode, we're gonna be kicking itoff with the tee-off report with Buttsy.
We've also got, as I mentioned, the majority ofthis show is gonna be around the 2025 PGA
Championship recap, which, unfortunately, wegotta talk a little bit about Rory McIlroy's
illegal driver getting taken away.
(02:35):
We'll be talking about that.
We're also gonna talk about LIV Golf and howthey did at the PGA Championship in our
opinions.
And then from there, we've got the upcomingCharles Schwab Challenge at Colonial.
So we'll dive a little bit outside of the, youknow, the PGA Championship.
And then we've got the TGL expansion going on.
(02:58):
A little news there from the TGL already, andwe'll get into that at the very, very end.
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I'm rocking their brand new polos that justcame out.
Good old Brent's got the T-shirt on.
Buttsy's got the T-shirt on.
If you can't see, Buttsy's dancing.
I mean, that is a sick T-shirt too from Buttsyover there with the big oh, yeah.
With the big, big what is that?
A snake?
On the back of your shirt?
(03:41):
Cobra.
Cobra cat.
And I did see so Devereaux's been posting a lotof stuff recently on social media.
People asking if the Johnny Walker collectionwas gonna come back.
Obviously, Buttsy's rocking the hat tonight.
Got the hat up here in my shelving unit behindme as the backdrop.
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Let's kick it off with the tee-off report withButtsy.
Buttsy, you know, when we come around the ninthhole and we see that halfway house, now a lot
of times I see that smile come out of you and Irealize alcohol is on its way.
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However, I do wonder, coming around that turnafter the front nine, what food item gets you
the most excited to see?
I don't get excited at the turn grill food.
I really don't.
I probably did when I was younger.
I mean, the glizzy has just made a hugecomeback in the last few years.
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It's really become kind of a piece of popculture.
Talk about glizzies and a turn glizzy and blahblah blah.
T-shirts with glizzies on them.
They're a pain in the ass, dude.
They're flat out a pain in the ass.
If there's any wind at all, you gotta get allthese little napkins.
They fly all over the cart.
If you put any condiments on there, I like toput relish and a little bit of onions on there.
You're getting it on you no matter what you do.
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You gotta take your glove off.
You're getting oil and grease.
You gotta find a bathroom or have wipes.
It gets on the club.
Here's what I would like to see.
And maybe this exists in other parts of thecountry, but why is there a corn dog?
Why don't we have corn dogs at the turn?
Think about that.
I love corn dogs.
A little cornbread batter on the outside.
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You could even, like, dip it and do differentthings with it, but you're holding it by a
stick.
That's it.
It's not gonna get dirty.
You can do a little dip ski if you want to.
Where's the corn dogs?
I'd like to see corn dogs at the turn.
Corn dogs at the turn.
That is an aggressive play.
I like corn dogs.
I do know up at Quintero.
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I don't know if they still do it anymore.
And by the way, Quintero Golf Club, I justheard they're doing some renovations up there
is what I saw.
So anyways, at the turn, they brought in a chefand they were doing these brisket dogs to where
they had beef brisket that was smoked all day,and then they had it on this big, huge beef hot
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dog or glizzy as you like to refer to it likethe kids say.
Yeah.
That thing was money and then some cheese onit.
And I remember when I was up there, I'm like, Ilove me coming around the turn and seeing that
as an option there.
But yeah.
Brent, does anything get you excited about thehalfway house in terms of food?
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So there's a famous, it's called the Burger Dogup at Olympic and Silverado in Napa.
It is so good.
And it doesn't have that same, like the bigproblem with hot dogs is exactly what Buttsy
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said, you gotta have all these napkins andwhatever, but they make it so clean, put a
little cheese on it, put a little ketchup.
It's nothing crazy.
There's a little sit-down area most of thetime.
You could just house it and you feel good aboutyourself because it's really, really good.
That's probably the only thing I'll get on theturn, other than a Snickers bar or something
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like that.
So if you're not at Olympic Club, you don't getanything at the turn.
Yeah.
I don't.
Or Silverado.
Yeah.
I really don't although that brisket dog, thatwould be fantastic.
Yeah.
I'd swim in that thing.
Yeah.
Boys, we gotta make a trip up to Quintero.
I don't know if they're entirely gonna beclosed or whatnot, but we do need to try that
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brisket dog based on the.
There's what?
Scottsdale National up there.
There's some spots, right?
Deep, dude.
Quintero's Lake Pleasant.
Yeah.
Drove by last week Monday.
Was like, you still have three hours to go?
Okay.
Talking about food too, guys, I had my buddyMax over with his fiancée and my wife, and I
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got into the Blackstone.
So finally, for my birthday, the wife got me aBlackstone griddle.
Oh.
And so I went through the...
my buddy Max, he's
like I'm jealous.
a dad who just like knows every step to things.
So and he's very analytical.
So he jumped right in and was like, hey.
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This five-step process.
This is how we do it.
We're gonna burn off the first layer.
Then we're gonna wait till the smoke stops.
We're gonna burn the next layer, and we keptgoing into it.
Then we finished it off with onions and thenended up doing, of course, what do you do on a
griddle?
Smash burgers.
However, I do want at some point to create somechopped cheeses out of like Harlem and Queens
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in New York City.
These chopped cheeses, they're like a choppedcheeseburger, but they're all chopped up, put
into a hoagie roll.
Absolutely phenomenal.
I gotta figure out the seasoning that they use,but obviously, they do that on a flat top
griddle as well.
So, yeah, I'm gonna have to have you boys overfor a little barbecue time.
It was a very nice Sunday watching the PGAChampionship.
Fucking dare you.
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Yeah.
I will.
I will.
And I will cook for you boys.
But let's get into the PGA Championship aswe're talking.
Yeah.
It wasn't a Blackstone commercial.
Although.
I, I, although I did cook ribeyes on it lastnight, and it was unbelievable.
I'd like to think that golf and cooking—oh,yeah—were pretty synonymous.
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Watching, watching golf for sure.
Yeah.
I will, I will say this.
Most of the people that we meet out on the golfcourse that know Buttsy from social media, all
they rave about is the cooking channel.
So I think Buttsy's dead on with that, with thefact that golf and food and probably alcohol
all go hand in hand together.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And they go with most parts of life, I think.
So back to the PGA Championship recap, whichwas taking place on Sunday while I was having a
barbecue.
And sure enough, Scottie Scheffler ends upwinning this thing at minus 11, folks.
Minus 11, and Scottie Scheffler ends up takingit by five shots.
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You can see Brent's hand.
He is counting on each finger how many shotsScottie Scheffler won by, and we were talking
about it last week that I mean, the line that Iused was, you know, this golf course doesn't
fit Scottie Scheffler, but if Scottie Schefflerplays his best, he's gonna win the tournament.
So and that was who Brent ended up going withas well was Scottie Scheffler last week.
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Big win for the Pull Hook Golf squad.
I actually had a ticket on him, betting stub,so I ended up winning some money off of Scottie
Scheffler.
Oh, even though he was only plus four fifty.
Still, it's nice.
Well, I mean, that's
you know, doesn't suck.
Still gets the job done.
Gents, so let's talk a little Scottie Schefflerbecause on Sunday, he did not have it.
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Did you guys worry at all during that finalround that Scottie Scheffler was not going to
win this golf tournament?
Yeah.
We were talking about it.
We were playing golf, and we were like, Rahm,wow.
This might wow.
And no.
Not at all.
No doubt.
Zero doubt.
Brent's not buying it.
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Brent thought Scottie Scheffler was in fullcontrol, but Scottie was off to a rough start
on Sunday.
I'm gonna say,
the one question that I wanna ask ScottieScheffler if I was in the press room, if I was
able to ask Scottie Scheffler a question, itwould be, what do you do for your mental
preparation for golf tournaments?
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Because I don't know if he does anything.
Like, he's just himself.
You'd like, do you think he does anything,Buttsy?
No.
I don't think there's any breathing work oranything like that.
I think he's just that guy.
I think he just, like, enjoys it and deals withit accordingly.
I don't think he gets too excited.
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I don't even know if he's capable of gettingtoo excited.
He just kind of seems to be wired that way.
I'm sorry.
We got to go back for just a second.
Track golfer said, dude, we're going to do corndogs at Palm Brook.
We'll be out at Palm Brook all the time.
And like, look up a company called Two Hands.
Okay?
This place is just corn dogs.
It doesn't take much to add a little zest toyour corn dog.
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I know this isn't a food podcast.
And could they
We keep going back to it.
It might turn into it.
You can do a fucker.
You could take that batter up before it's done,roll it in some hot Cheeto.
Okay.
Getting back to track golfer's next comment,which was he talks to God in reference to
Scottie Scheffler.
And here's the thing.
Like, with Tiger Woods, one of the biggestbenefits to Tiger during his prime wasn't even
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necessarily his golf swing.
Obviously, it was absolutely fantastic.
Hit the ball a mile, was playing a tour Balatawhen everybody else was playing a little bit
firmer of golf balls.
And sure enough, Tiger Woods, though, themental side of his game, he used to do a ton of
meditation because his mother being gosh, whatwas she?
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she? Not
sure, but she's a Buddhist.
Was Thai, right?
Well, was Thai.
Was she Tai?
So she practiced Buddhism, which if you knowanything about Buddhism, there's a lot of being
Zen and mental preparation and meditation andso forth.
And then you had his dad, the military guy, whohardened him from a mental standpoint and
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messed with him throughout his golf rounds.
Scottie Scheffler is a little shaky to me, andI've brought this up numerous times.
I always get shit on because of it, but I standby it that he's a little shaky under pressure
situations.
I mean, you wouldn't ever see Tiger four-putt afinal hole of a major championship in order to
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win.
What did
I say, Brent?
Remember Sunday, I said, what's the over-underon him bogeying 18?
I bet you he bogeys 18.
To second Matt's point here, like
Yeah.
100%.
He's got a
big enough lead.
He's probably gonna bogey 18.
He's up by six.
That's what he does.
I mean, he hits it dead right over the bunkerinto a place that nobody wants to be in.
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He almost made his third.
Yeah.
I mean, he hit a pretty damn good pitch shot.
But, I mean, to your point, both of you guys, Imean, I think the mental preparation for
Scottie is obviously, you know, he's in theBible, he's in the Word, you know, he's got Ted
Scott on his bag, which, you know, they'reright there with him.
You know, he's got his family, and that's kindawhere he attempts to put his mind.
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But the big thing about Scottie is, and he'smentioned this many times, he's hyper, hyper
competitive.
Yeah.
So he does not shy away from saying, hey man,I've lost my cool, I lose my cool, I want so
badly to win.
But as he's kind of transitioned and he'sgotten older and obviously more mature and more
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experienced, he's been able to kind of pullhimself out of that and just kind of put
himself in a place.
And obviously Ted Scott helps that.
I think what, they've made $100 milliontogether or something, some ridiculous number.
And I totally agree with you, Brent.
However, my whole thing with him is if he wantsto get to that next level, I think that mental
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preparation side needs to come into play.
Like, you can't just he is so dang good and somuch better than everybody else when it comes
to distance control with his irons.
His driver is like I think Chamblee said it onthe Golf Channel as I was watching the post-PGA
Championship stuff that he was the number onedriver this week of the golf ball.
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And so, you know, his ball striking gets him sofar.
We know that he's got the short putting issuesa little bit, which a lot of great ball
strikers do.
Right?
We've seen it with Rory McIlroy.
We've seen it with others.
It just comes with the territory.
However, the mental preparation side is where Iwould love to know.
And I have a feeling that the answer is that hedoesn't really do anything to mentally prepare.
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That is more or less, you know, his faith.
Yeah.
Being out there with Ted.
And I just I don't see anything else that'sthere because he has a tough time coping with
the pressure.
He ends up getting through it.
Right?
We haven't really had that big debacle where hejust falls from the face of the planet.
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His ball striking's too good to allow him to dothat, in my opinion.
That's why I think we never see him fullycollapse or crumble.
No.
But there's that, like I just see that littlehitch in his game when it comes to the mental
side under pressure.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, especially I mean, this weekwas a perfect example.
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Right?
The front nine of Quail Hollow, anybody willtell you, it's really, really difficult.
He did start the day at a three-shot lead, sohe kind of can relax a little bit, but again,
it's that you can relax too much.
And I think when he's chasing somebody down ona Friday or Saturday, and that person isn't
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Rory or isn't Xander or isn't one of the topguys, he kinda just feels like, I'm better than
these guys.
But what you notice, and I think actually whatis kind of my biggest thing with Scottie is
when he's playing with those guys, when he'splaying with the top players, he doesn't
necessarily just all of a sudden just show outand kill everybody.
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On Saturday and Sunday, if those guys areplaying well, it's a battle, and sometimes he
loses.
Yeah, he maintains, for sure.
But then obviously, when it's not necessarilythe top players, and I mentioned this, I think,
on Thursday or Friday to Buttsy.
But when it's not necessarily the top players,he just goes and gets to a point where he
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doesn't need to necessarily make par, and thenhe just does what he does and wins by five,
which hasn't been seen since Tiger Woods.
When has he ever thrown it away?
Never.
Oh, FedEx Cup.
Okay.
FedEx Cup when?
Last
The playoffs.
Not last year because he finally won, but thetwo years prior, he came into it in first place
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and choked down the stretch on
Oh, and lost.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a weird one.
It's the FedEx Cup.
I still disagree with the whole start with a,you know, at a certain point.
Dude, I totally agree.
I was actually having this conversation overthe weekend with somebody who's really starting
to get into golf and wants to know about, like,the setup with the majors and with the FedEx
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Cup playoffs.
And I was trying to explain it all to him, andI'm just like, wow.
Yeah.
This really doesn't make a whole lot of sensebecause he's like, somebody gets 10 shots to
begin the tournament.
How do you backtrack away from that?
Right?
That was kinda crazy.
I still think the FedEx Cup playoffs should bestroke play for the first couple, and then you
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get to the final tournament at East Lake, andit becomes match play.
That would be
to see it.
So exciting.
Needs better.
However, Adam Scott did shut that down lastyear when he was asked about potentially
changing the format to match play.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's he's as you know, I I don't know what Idon't know what to feel about him sometimes
because some like, I've talked to him so manytimes.
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He's the nicest guy, but just the the idea ofkind of adjusting course at all with the way
the tour is going, he's just like, nope.
We're just doing this, and this is the way it'sgonna be.
Period.
End of story.
Obviously, it's working for him, so who cares?
But
So mental side, we've talked about with ScottieScheffler.
I do want to get to what you mentioned, Brent,where most people are not aware that Scottie
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Scheffler is that damn competitive.
And when he slammed his hat down and said, fuckyeah, like, that to me was a different side to
Scottie that we're finally starting to see.
And, Buttsy, we've talked about this a lot withScottie Scheffler that we would love to see
kind of behind the the veil, so to speak.
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Talk talk to us a little bit, Buttsy, about,you know, what you would like to see from
Scottie Scheffler moving forward.
I don't wanna call it cockiness, but let's,let's externalize what you might feel on the
inside, which is you know you're the best.
And it's okay to maybe I mean, Tiger did this.
Like, we keep saying Tiger, Tiger, Tiger, buthe was the benchmark.
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And it's the same thing when we go back totalking about, like, a Sunday.
He didn't wanna just have a five-shot lead.
Mean, if at all costs, he wanted to absolutelyslit people's heads off.
Definitely.
And and hammer it home and, like, no, you know,unrelenting victory.
I mean, how many did he win by at Pebble?
Was it, like, 15 or some shit?
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And I think that was his goal his entire careerwas just to absolutely be as dominant as
possible, and just don't know.
Scottie's amazing, so it's hard for me toreally say that he doesn't have a good mental
game or that there's a weakness in it.
But, yeah, I would like to see him maybe be alittle more like you.
Kyle over at Carbond Guy says that he shouldget a gold chain.
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I think he wears a gold chain, does he not?
I think he already wears a little Jesus piecefor sure.
Love that.
Love that outfit.
Under his shirt, but I think he should get abig one, you know, maybe like a rap-style one.
Right?
What that's worth, like, a couple mil with,like, 40 carats worth of diamonds, and it's
like a guy doing a shuffle dance on therebecause that's his move.
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Yeah.
Like the AK chain, Kyle says.
Belt buckle.
Or an SS chain.
Oh.
Could you imagine an SS chain?
That could go hard.
Hard.
Yeah.
Brent is rolling his eyes over there.
As a purist of the game, he's like, no.
Absolutely not.
Now let's talk a little leaderboard rundown.
Enough of Scottie for the moment.
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Let's talk about who came in second place.
So Harris English, Bryson DeChambeau, and DavisRiley all finished T2 at minus 6, which, by the
way, Scottie Scheffler finished at minus 11 andwon by five shots.
He had a six-shot lead going into the last,obviously made bogey in order to take it home.
Then T5, you got J.T.
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Poston, Taylor Pendrith, and Jonathan Vegas.
Johnny Vegas, after, you know, all the injurieshe's dealt with to be back, that's a pretty
cool story right there.
He's the man.
T8, we've got Rahm, Fitzpatrick, Si Woo, BenGriffin, Keegan Bradley, Denny McCarthy, Ryan
Gerard, Joaquin Niemann, and Joe Highsmith.
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I don't know why I couldn't get Highsmith out,but there's your leaderboard rundown for the
PGA Championship.
But, guys, was this a weird major?
We had so many guys coming in playing so damnwell, and this was a golf course that we've
seen Rory play extremely well.
We've seen Xander play extremely well, andwe've seen Justin Thomas play it extremely well
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as well, but none of those guys played well.
Is there something to be said about a coursethat you're very familiar with and then all of
a sudden gets to a major championship level interms of the layout and everything, and you
just come in expecting too much?
I'll start with you, Brent.
Yeah.
I certainly think that's possible.
I mean, even just on the regular local level.
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I mean, you play a course, you know, that'syour normal home course, and all of a sudden
it's a tournament, and it's like, whoa.
You know?
But I think the most disappointing finish forme was JT.
I mean, I understand Rory also has playedreally well there, but for Justin to be
trending and kinda be running a little bitunder the radar last week at the Truist, for
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him to MC Hammer, you know, just especially Imean, I think that was, what, his second week
back with his first caddy.
That's probably the most disappointing, but italso shows how fickle the game is, kind of like
what I was saying on text earlier this lastweek.
Yeah, golf, man.
That's all there is to it.
Did JT make a mistake by letting Joe Greinergo?
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I wanna throw that back to you, Brent, beforewe get Buttsy's thoughts on it.
Man, you know, I feel like it'd be like ifeither one of you were on my bag for a year or
two, and we had success, and then one of youguys got hurt, and I go and win with somebody,
did the conversation happen where it's like,Dude, we just won an elevated event together.
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We'll give you Collin's bag.
Something, but it would be one of thosedecisions where it would be like, we would have
to sit down.
But also have to mad respect for saying
You stand up.
I mean, a stand-up decision.
Obviously, I'm sure he'll win early, you know,later this year, and it'll all be fine.
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So Buttsy, what was the weirdest thing aboutthis major for you from the players that didn't
play well?
Just bad luck.
I don't know.
There's no I don't think there's a rhyme orreason.
I think it's just like a perfect storm, and,like, some of the top guys just had an off
week, like, at the same time.
I don't know.
I don't think there's really anything to itspecifically.
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It just seemed like some guys that you expectedto play good were just a little off at the same
time.
I
don't know.
You know what's funny about it is I have asaying that expectations are the killers of
dreams.
And sure enough, like, if you play a golfcourse really, really well.
And like I said, this is not set up like a PGATour event.
Set up like a major.
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Like, the rough was thicker.
I mean, it ended up getting very fast and firmtowards the end, but it's like you come into
that thinking, oh, I got a chance to win.
And if you're thinking that at the beginning ofthe week rather than just going out and playing
shot by shot, kinda getting ahead of yourself,it was too weird for me to see Rory struggle,
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Xander Schauffele struggle, and then there'sJustin Thomas struggle as well.
And those guys have played so well at thistrack.
It just was very surprising that we saw allthree of them do it.
I think this goes into another thing aboutScottie not paying attention to anything in the
media, not watching social media, not that henever hears or sees or, at least he tries his
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best not to, see any vocalized expectation ofhimself.
And I wonder if seeing that about yourself, youknow, while you're scrolling the gram or maybe
you're watching Golf Channel, see what one ofyour buddies did or somebody else, and you hear
them come on there and talk about how you'reexpected to play well this week.
I would think subconsciously that might flip alittle bit.
That might be like, well, okay.
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Yeah, I'm supposed to do good here, and thatnever works.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, do you guys think, I mean, at a certainlevel, obviously, it's hard for us to put
ourselves in their shoes, I can put my
sons in their shoes.
Well, of course.
I mean, you're the empathic universe of allthings.
He is an empath.
But do you just get rid of your phone at acertain point when you're that level?
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I mean, that's what I would do.
I'd just be like, you know what?
My friends and family can reach me on thisnumber.
It doesn't have any apps on it.
Somebody else is running my social media.
They run my schedule.
I'm here to do one thing and one thing only,and that is golf.
And you just
have to be disciplined, bro.
Like, I mean, there's nothing wrong with notbeing on, you know, the things that might tick
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you off.
Can
still be
what I'm saying.
You can still have Fox News or whatever outletor Discovery, whatever weird shit you're into
looking at on your phone and reading about.
But I would probably have a policy of, like,I'm not gonna watch anything golf-related or
anywhere where there's any
type of, yeah, tournament.
Yeah, while you're at a tournament.
Nowhere where the public opinion can be seenabout me.
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But isn't that what makes Tiger's run kind oflike, if all of these guys go back, right, into
the late '90s, early 2000s and into the 2010sbefore social media really kicked off, do you
think there would have been more of these guysdominating?
I mean, Tiger was the best and is the best ofall time, but at the same time, there was no
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social media.
The paparazzi was the only thing that he had todeal with, but other than that, he did his job.
He was there to do a job and win, period, endof story.
And I think Tiger did watch TV, and I thinkhe's probably, like I said, he's probably the
only one, like, in the last 40 years that'swired to the point where if he hears somebody
say, are we gonna see Tiger continue hisdominance and win this next event?
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He's like, yeah.
Like Michael Jordan.
He probably made up stories to get pissed offor something like that and just went out and
just fought with a chip on his shoulder, eventhough he was world number one by 80,000,000
points.
I woulda had Mike, I woulda had Steve backthen, like, just make up scenarios where guys
were talking shit about me that I wasn't thatgood, and I woulda just had to make stuff up.
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So like you just said, I was just pissed cominginto the week.
I mean, it'd be, it worked for, you know,literally the GOAT.
So
Michael Jordan.
Yep.
And Jordan.
Arizona.
He used to love bulletin board material.
Mhmm.
Even to the point to where he would make shitup.
Literally.
Yeah.
Literally.
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I still remember the George Karl when they wereplaying against the Utah Jazz, and George Karl
didn't come over and say hi to him.
They were at the same restaurant, and he usedthat as fuel to stick it to George Karl for not
coming over and saying hi.
Or how about when he played, like, 36 in themorning and had 15 beers and went out and went
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off for 40 or whatever the amount was justbecause, like, yeah, I can do that.
Guy was just a different level, man.
Anti-live.
We'll be getting into the LIV Golf side in justa few minutes.
Pin that one.
Pin that one.
That's a great one.
That might be for next week.
We're gonna go ahead and heart that one there.
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Now Max Homa, we had a little sighting for.
We were talking about him last week, how, youknow, he plays really well at Quail Hollow, and
could that end up helping him this week at amajor championship?
I mean, we all kind of said the same thingaround Max Homa that now there's too much rust
there.
But, man, for two days, he was up towards thetop of the leaderboard and really was looking
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good.
But per what we said, rust on a golf swing andnot having been in form coming into it,
eventually over four days, you're gonna getstuck at some point.
And sure enough, round three, I think he missedsomething like eight out of, like, 12 holes.
He missed the green to start the round and wasjust off.
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I mean, that's and he's a good ball striker.
That's what was crazy about it.
So clearly, that kinda broke him a little biton Saturday, and then Sunday was not good for
him at all.
Just wanted to kind of bring up that we had alittle Max Homa sighting, so that's, you know,
that's not a bad thing for golf.
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That's I feel like that's a good thing.
And then Rory McIlroy.
K?
We gotta talk about the illegal driver.
So this comes out before the tournament starts,and sure enough, he was one of the I believe
they test what?
50 golfers or a third of the field, somethingalong those lines?
Whole field.
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No.
They do not do the whole field.
They don't.
No.
So Xander Schauffele even made a comment aboutit that he feels like at every major,
everybody's driver should get tested, andthat's for the fairness of the game.
I did hear a stat too, and I don't know if thisis a fake stat or not.
I didn't have time to go look it up or anythinglike that, but the stat was that at the
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Masters, Rory outdrove Xander by 20 yards onaverage, like, for for for the entire week.
This week, Xander Schauffele outdrove Rory byeight yards.
Yeah.
So there you go.
I mean, I'll jump in here.
Right?
At
least do.
attest to this, and I'm sure most of the peoplethat are watching this pod already know this,
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but tour heads are better.
And they're only better because, you know,they're handpicked and tested off the assembly
line.
And the ones that don't test right at themaximum level, like, are no good.
Like, if it's a little under, well, guess what?
They're gonna go through a hundred more untilthey find one that's right at the limit because
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why wouldn't they?
Right?
Why wouldn't you have something that's asmaximized as it can be?
So that said, if you're right at the limit, youcould have temperature and hitting a few range
balls cause the club to come out of compliancepretty quickly.
And, if you got a great head and you're justplaying week to week, you're probably not
testing it yourself.
So I don't know.
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It's kinda hard to blame Rory for that.
I don't think that there was intent in playinga fake or not a fake, but an illegal driver.
I just think it was a little over, and that'skinda how the cookie crumbled.
Brent, what about you?
What's your take on Rory McIlroy with theillegal I
think if it were anybody else in the field,which I'm sure there was, there's probably six
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or seven guys that if they popped, it gets outthere.
Otherwise, it doesn't get out there.
But that's media bias.
But other than that, I've had my driver testedprobably a dozen, 15 times.
And the one time I can tell you that I kind ofgot around the system was when I had them test
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the driver that I was testing rather than theone that I had been playing, because I sort of
thought, okay, hey, I'll put
this. Yeah, how does
Yeah, how does that work?
They just say, which driver are you playingthis week?
And you hand it to them, and they go test it.
They either give it back and say, hey, it'sover, or they just take it.
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Personally, I don't think, even when I'veflattened faces or cracked faces, I don't think
you're getting the kind of distance.
It's not gonna be a 20- to 25-yard difference.
I mean, we're talking about, what, six miles anhour at that point.
But it does speak to how finicky that systemcan be.
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If the number two player in the world givesthem his driver and they're like, it's just
over.
Okay.
Take it out.
And then he puts a brand new driver on Tuesdayafternoon in play, because obviously on
Wednesday there's no pro-am.
He practices with it, thinks it's good, andthen he goes out and plays.
But obviously, it kinda gives you a little bitof doubt because it's not something that you've
(35:31):
been playing for months at a time.
Well, and apparently, he had been using thisfor going back close to a year, which over a
period of time, just so that everybody knows,it's not like he had a brand new driver.
It got tested.
He was trying to cheat the system.
These faces wear thin, and especially when youhave driver swing speed like Rory McIlroy, over
(35:52):
time, these things start to thin out, and youget very much so a trampoline effect.
Especially composite.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's literally
There's a rub to it.
What's the carbon?
Right?
It's like a It's
a laminate.
It's a lot of plastic with carbon, but like,yeah, you could buff that bad boy down over
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time and How
does that look for Taylor?
Mean, the fact that he's not playing their newdriver, or he wasn't playing their new driver?
I mean, he won the Masters with it.
We all we all know.
I mean, drivers are mainly marketing, like,year in and year out.
Like, once you get a gamer, you're not changingthat for a long time.
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Right.
And if he's going from the gamer to a backup inthat short amount of time frame, he's gonna use
the same driver head.
What's crazy a hundred.
What's crazy away from the illegal part withRory is like I was saying about them pulling
heads and testing them.
What your average guy that's convinced to goout and spend a thousand dollars on a club off
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of the rack, what their tolerance is thatthey'll let those fly out at and how low they
can actually be.
Dude, I tested two heads, like, in one youknow, the ball speeds are, like, 15 miles an
hour different.
15 to 20 miles an hour, and it's being sold onthe shelf as a a brand new perfectly viable
driver.
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And it's like, it's not the case.
So I don't know.
I don't know how you get around that withoutjust having access to tour heads, but you
should definitely go and test a lot ofsomething when you're making a decision to buy
one.
Yeah.
There are some that actually make it throughthe process, and they're actually over the
limit.
Some of the heads that make it to the shelvesare, but to your point, people always say
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they're playing different equipment.
It's not necessarily that it's different, as ina completely different, although Scottie
Scheffler last year was playing a differentface on his driver.
But it's the driver and the woods are where Ithink the biggest gap exists to your point,
Buttsy.
And it is kind of an interesting thing.
And obviously, when the golf ball gets rolledback, if the PGA Tour doesn't do it, but, you
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know, the USGA forces all the manufacturers todo it, who knows?
I mean, it's it's definitely gonna throweverybody for a loop.
You heard Brad talk about it on Sunday.
Right?
Like, there's to the public, there's a PXGregular head, and there's a tour head, and you
can buy those.
There are also five other variations of thetour head available to tour players.
So little little different in terms ofoptimizing.
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But speed wise, yeah, I like what you'resaying, what Xander said.
Everybody should get tested day of.
Okay.
If you've been playing something, it's over.
We're gonna find out, and you're not gonna getthat extra, you know, 15 yards that you've been
getting.
Totally agree.
Let's get into since the LIV Golf crowd waslosing their mind and calling Rory McIlroy a
(38:46):
cheater and all this and that, and it wasn'tthat in the least.
It was basic like, they I feel like becausethey're not knowledgeable, they really felt
like Rory put in an illegal driver and gotcaught.
Oh, no.
But that's not the case, folks.
No.
Over a period of time, drivers become illegal.
I feel like there's enough out there now interms of knowledge around that.
(39:08):
He may have known that this one is, forwhatever reason, really good.
But yeah.
Pretty hot.
And by the way, when you start getting thattrampoline effect, I'm sure you guys have,
like, this, that the ball goes a little bitstraighter too.
It does.
It absolutely does.
I mean, there have been times where I've hit adrive and felt the ball literally compress into
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the face, and then I look at the driver's faceand go, Oh shit, I just flattened.
That's literally how that works.
And the tolerances are it's one of thosethings, man.
It's like, imagine if a golf company put outthose tour heads enough to where people with
fast enough swing speeds were breaking them.
They would have to replace them.
So there's no reason for them to put outdrivers that can't last.
(39:54):
Are we gonna discuss Bryson's
Right now.
Crank driver?
Look out the ball.
No.
We're we're getting into it right now.
Okay.
LIV Golf, they fell a little bit short thisweek.
They had three players in the top 10, whichnormally you would say that's a huge success
for LIV Golf.
However, Jon Rahm was tied for the lead andends up faltering.
(40:17):
I will say this.
I'm gonna throw in the caveat.
Great to see Jon Rahm back on a leaderboard ona Sunday.
We absolutely love that, and we love the factthat he kinda looks like a bad guy out there.
Right?
He kinda looks like this big, mean guy who he'swearing the all black with the pink.
Like, he just kinda looks like a disgruntledgentleman out there or a gentle giant who, you
(40:42):
know, is playing the bad guy role.
And a lot of people look at him as the bad guywith LIV Golf.
It was a little bit too bad that he fell off,but that just goes to being under that type of
pressure and getting comfortable under thattype of pressure because as soon as he got tied
for the lead, he just absolutely collapsed.
And I don't by the way, I don't think this hasanything to do with him playing on LIV Golf and
(41:05):
not.
No.
This was just him not being comfortable underthat type of pressure.
Well, I mean, look at look at he won theMasters, and and it's amazing.
And and, you know, he's he's played well inmajors in his career, but he's not, you know,
in the time that he spent on the PGA Tour,wasn't like he had won three majors like
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Scottie Scheffler or multiple like RoryMcIlroy.
So it is one of those things.
The greatest thing about Jon Rahm, and theykind of did it with Sergio back in the day too,
is they go, He's fiery, and the Spaniards.
And it's like, listen, that's not necessarily agood thing when you're coming down the stretch.
I mean, that year he lost The Players becausehe tried to hit a three iron from the bunker on
(41:48):
11 and made a double.
Like, it it's it just shows him that he's he'san idiot when it comes down to real, real
pressure.
That being said, Bryson DeChambeau also justcouldn't quite find the gear in order to really
be competitive.
Like, he was right there once again, but I justfelt like there was a gear missing for Bryson
(42:13):
DeChambeau that he just couldn't quite get itdone, or at least impact Scottie Scheffler down
the stretch to where it's like, hey, I'm hereand I'm coming for you.
Never really was that.
He kinda finished tied for second in kind of abackdoor kind of way.
So he did bring up, though, that he said acompany needs to create a golf ball to handle
(42:36):
my swing speed in order to compete at the U.S.
Open this year because golf balls at that highof a swing speed do not go straight enough.
So it sounds so ridiculous just to hear that.
To say it out loud, it just doesn't sound good.
What I wanted to bring up, you go back, and wekeep bringing up Tiger.
(42:57):
But like you said, Tiger was producing speednot far off, I feel like, in his prime to what
Bryson's doing and doing it with asteel-shafted driver and playing a wound golf
ball and finding a way to get it to spin andmove.
He played the softest ball out there.
Yeah.
He did.
And maybe it did cost him, right, how hard hewas hitting it.
(43:19):
He wasn't known for driving it the straightest,but he was still dominant.
So to come out, it's just I don't know.
It's a little fucking Bryson thing too is all.
Bridgestone welcomed him with open arms, and,you know, they give him whatever he needs.
They can build him whatever they want.
They do the same thing with Tiger, and he justtrashes them, the same way that he trashed the
(43:43):
iron company that he works with, the same wayhe trashed Cobra.
I mean, would be one of those things that if Iwere his PR or agent, whatever manager, I'd
just be like, what are you
doing?
Yeah.
It's like, dude, you have built yourself up tobe this fan favorite YouTube guy, lovable,
like, getting into the crowd and being, like,Arnie Palmer kinda.
(44:04):
And it's like, what
the hell are
you doing by saying stuff like this?
And then it's like, it makes it look like a bigold excuse.
Oh, I'm not able to compete because my golfball doesn't go straight enough.
Well, look what Rory McIlroy did before goingon this big winning streak.
First of all, he switched to a softer golf ballwith TaylorMade.
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He went from the TP5x down to the TP5.
Look at Tiger Woods.
When he was in his prime, he went to a muchsofter ball.
He was basically playing a Tour Balata.
For premium with
84 compression.
Yeah.
So, I mean, guys, like, Bryson, you're supposedto be a big science guy, but, like, this just
came across as being whiny and a major excuse.
(44:49):
It's asinine, bro.
You're saying that I'm overpowering the ball.
It doesn't go straight enough.
Well, that's the point of golf.
They need to figure out how to gear back andcontrol it the
same playing a crank driver.
He's playing a crank driver.
No.
And he's got the LA Golf driver now.
Oh, it's an LA Golf driver, which is basically,
(45:10):
that he helped them engineer.
Yeah.
for long drive, essentially.
But what's amazing is that I played with FrankLickliter ten years ago, and he was playing the
softest TaylorMade ball there was, and he said,"Listen, spin is control." Now, if you watch
Bryson's flight, he hits knuckle draws on everysingle one, and all day, first Thursday and
(45:35):
Friday, he's bombing it over the green.
He's bombing it over the green by 15 to 20yards.
And you're like, that's not because the ballisn't straight enough.
It's because the ball you're playing is toofirm and too hot.
what he's trying
to do.
I understand what he's trying to say.
And just
don't in a word.
You can't just use science to fix what othergolfers have had to figure out their entire
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careers, which is how to have control.
If it was all about, like, we'll just designwhat works for me so I could swing as hard as I
want.
Like, yeah, we want to see you swing hard, butyou have to learn how to control that.
If you can't swing super hard and control it,then you're gonna have a miss.
And then you should probably just use yourdriver as a weapon when it permits, and the
hole is wide enough.
(46:22):
And, you know, that's golf.
That's golf.
That's like saying, well, why can't, you know,I should be able to carry 10 wedges because I
just I don't really have a good feel from 89yards.
I'd like to have something that works a littlebetter for me from that yardage.
Well, that's not how it fucking works.
Like
Yeah.
I mean, it would be like so, so, so I, youknow, I don't hit it short, but at the end of
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the day, it's like everybody else that's outthere that swings it anywhere from 122 to 130
in there.
They do just fine.
And I'm so tired of him looking at these golfcompanies and going, you must give me what I
want, and there's nothing anybody can do aboutit.
At a certain point, these companies are justgonna be like, listen, dude.
(47:06):
You're not playing on the PGA Tour.
You're playing on the LIV Tour.
If you play four tournaments that are on TV ayear, like actual TV, screw you.
Don't make no balls.
Do that because he's still an absolutesensation and revolutionized YouTube golf as
sure.
Sure.
Ball, but yeah.
Then he can do that with his own ball.
So guys also
Grown a lot, but he needs to go up a littlemore.
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LIV Golf got destroyed by the Pat McAfee Show,and, you know, those guys don't know golf.
However, they actually had some really goodpoints because they were at LIV Golf's defense,
like, last year and talking about, like, theopportunity and so forth for these players and
everything.
And, of course, you're gonna go take the moneyif that kind of money is thrown at you and
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whatnot.
However, they trashed the format and how youcan never watch these guys anymore.
And, like, they were pretty spot on with a lotof the stuff that they were saying.
Well, that's not the entire story.
Today, the day after that all transpires on thePat McAfee Show, guess what?
Bubba Watson has been flown in to Indiana inorder to be in studio with Pat McAfee and talk
(48:16):
about Liv Golf.
And so I gotta give credit to the Liv Golf PRteam who is like, hey, guys.
Who can fly to Indiana right now and be instudio for Pat McAfee tomorrow?
We're paying ESPN to get you a spot on the PatMcAfee Show so that we can kinda combat some of
these things that are being said.
(48:36):
Mhmm.
So that was pretty interesting.
Yeah.
Let's talk quickly because we do have to jump,folks.
The upcoming Charles Schwab Challenge.
Buttsy, who do you got?
I don't know who's in the field, to be honest.
Throw out a name.
You want me to go through the odds reallyquick?
Yeah.
Give me the So
So we got Scottie Scheffler is playing becauseit's at Colonial.
Daniel Berger, Jordan Spieth, Hideki Matsuyama,Tommy Fleetwood, Mav McNeely, Aaron Rai, Harris
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English, Si Woo Kim, JT Poston, RobertMacIntyre, JJ Spaun, Brian Harman, Davis
Thompson, Keith Mitchell.
Bet I bet Si Woo.
I would go with Si Woo this week.
I like that pick.
Like that pick.
He's playing really, really well right now.
Brent, who you got?
I'm gonna go with Hideki Matsuyama.
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Beautiful.
And I've got Jordan Spieth.
I think Jordan Spieth finally breaks throughfor his first win in a while, and hopefully he
gets it done.
But we also, before we head off, the TGL justannounced a brand new franchise.
It is the Utah Soak.
Just kidding.
It is the Motor City Golf Club, and granted, weare still waiting for the Utah Soakers
(49:44):
headlined by Tony Feenal, but that's not yet.
But an expansion in the TGL is pretty promisingfor that league to be bringing on a brand new
team.
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