Coach Rusty's Artistic Journey and Players Championship Highlights

In this episode, we kick off with a sponsor shoutout to Devereux Golf and chat with Buttsy about creator life and freebies. Matt shares a sourdough story and a birthday shout-out to his dad. Coach Rusty discusses his transition from golf pro to artist, social media growth, and future plans. We cover the TGL playoffs, indoor vs. outdoor golf, and recap the Players Championship. Topics include J.J. Spaun and Collin Morikawa's media moves, Arnold Palmer's legacy, and emotion in golf. We preview the Valspar Championship, make predictions, and hint at next week's guest.

Episode Transcript

(00:11):
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our co-host, Buttsy.
That one guy, he just absolutely loves himselfsome Buttsy.
And then we've got a very special guesttonight.
Not only is he a special guest, but he's a golfpro slash artist.

(00:34):
I would say more so artist nowadays, but we'llget into that.
We've got a full-on interview coming up withCoach Rusty.
That same guy.
Same guy loves Buttsy.
Same guy loves you.
So we got that going for us.
But on tonight's show, folks, we're gonna goover the tee-off report with Buttsy.
We've got, obviously, a special guest withCoach Rusty here.

(00:57):
And then we've got the TGL playoffs arehappening, folks.
So I don't know if you guys know it or not, butthose are going on.
And then we've got the Players Championshiprecap as there was some drama that took place
out there at TPC Sawgrass that we'll be gettinginto.
And then we've also got what I would like torefer to as the Coach Rusty Special

(01:19):
Championship, aka the Valspar Championship.
You get that little paint action on poolside.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Get stuff next year with that.
That'd be good.
Oh, nice.
There we go.
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Alright.

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Let's get it started with Buttsy with the teeoff report.
And here's the thing.
Since we've got two great creators on the showhere tonight, what is the best part, Buttsy, of
being a creator on the good old Instagram?
Oh, man.
Probably gotta be the attention.

(02:47):
You know?
And like, I mean, I wasn't very popular growingup.
So, like, to have all these eyes on me now,making me feel like, you know, nobody that's
now kinda like a Z-level somebody is kind of abig deal for me, and it's pretty much
revolutionized my life and my confidence andeverything I do in my adult life now.

(03:09):
I probably, I don't know.
I'll probably still be at that special placethat I used to go to school in that bus.
It wasn't very long.
So to be able to escape that life and hang outwith other people that are normal, that think
that I'm normal is pretty cool.
No, really, dude.
To be honest with you, it's just been that wasjust a

(03:29):
little.
I
was playing.
Probably just the people more than anything.
Like guys like this guy right here, CoachRusty, or probably the coolest thing was like,
you know, opening my eyes and being in JohnDaly's backyard hanging out with him, and it's
just weird that happens from people reachingout to you through networking because of this.

(03:53):
I'd probably say it's the people for sure.
The people.
I absolutely love that.
We've all gotten to meet, hang out with, thatkind of thing.
It's pretty cool.
Would you attest to that, Coach Rusty?
I mean, what's your favorite thing about beinga creator on Instagram?
You were special too, don't you?
Definitely not very popular growing up.

(04:15):
No.
I would attest to it completely.
I think the relationships you build areincredible.
It's very interesting.
The people you meet, the stories you get tohear, the stories you get to tell, the stories
you get to create that you can tell people inthe future.
It's really special.
I think, for me, outside of the relationshipsis just like the experiences.

(04:37):
Like, holy—can we curse on this show?
Oh, absolutely.
It's unfiltered, my friend.
But holy fuck.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Have we been able to do some amazing things?
And I mean, like, holy fuck.
I've done some amazing things, and I've hadsome amazing experiences and things that I know
I'll never forget.
And, you know, I think that's really cool.
Stuff to tell the grandkids, endless stories,endless relationships, and friendships that

(05:03):
have been forged through it all.
It's pretty special, man.
It's crazy.
See, I was just gonna say the free shit.
That's what I was gonna go with.
That part was really that that part was reallycool, but you can only accept so much free shit
before you're like, dude, no more free shit.
I'm good.
wife—my wife has been like, my God.

(05:23):
Are there more boxes today?
It's like—and I'm not that big.
So, like, I can only imagine being Buttsy orbeing you, Coach Rusty, to where, like, brands
are knocking down your door every single daytrying to get in there, especially when you got
Buttsy cooking with HexClad over there.
We actually ran into a guy when we weregolfing, what was it?

(05:44):
A week and a half ago, almost two weeks agonow, who just comes out of nowhere and is like,
hey, you're Buttsy.
I love your cooking videos.
Yeah.
And we're just like, why?
Hang on a second.
Couldn't be more fucking elementary school.
It's just a one.
Got it.
One pan cooking in a shit pan every night.

(06:05):
I
don't care.
I know.
I'm surprised they didn't come up to yousaying, I really love your slow motion
rollerblading videos in the kitchen.
Or something like that.
Where your fists are in the skates.
The free shit's crazy.
There's gotta be a homeless guy around herethat, like, at my local clothing drop-off point
that wears a double XL that is just fuckingkitted out or has traded so much of my shit

(06:28):
for, like, he's probably a drug kingpin at thispoint.
Like, there's got one guy.
Yeah.
It's cool, man.
It's so super cool being in the
school.
That's awesome.
That is absolutely awesome.
I didn't know what to expect for that segment,and I think it did very well.
So I greatly appreciate the honesty there,boys, and let's go ahead and move into our very

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next—actually, I gotta stop for a second.
I just had a little bit of a hiccup there, andI gotta tell you, I got a body.
Have you guys ever heard of getting intosourdough bread?
Oh, yeah.
And, like, you have, like, your little starter,and then you gotta feed it, and then you
commit.
So this dude brought over a jalapeño cheddarsourdough roll that he had just made.

(07:16):
My God.
Is it the best thing that I've ever hadbread-wise?
And I'm obsessed now to where, like, I'm like,dude, tell me everything.
I wanna be part of the sourdough cult.
I wanna start making my own bread.
I wanna, like, I wanna have this livingcreature that I'm just gonna keep feeding.
Sorry for the sidetrack.
But that's what happened.
You would talk about in your twenties.
That's gotta be, like, a 30 to, like, 35 thing.

(07:39):
Yeah.
That gets brought up.
Like, you know, you guys gotten into sourdoughyet?
Let me tell you what my buddy brought over.
Jalapeño.
And then I also forgot to give a shoutout.
It's my dad's birthday today.
Shoutout to Dale Cook.
HP.
We love you.
Yeah.
Happy birthday.

(08:00):
He's, his favorite year now, 69.
Nice.
He just kept saying it the other night when wewere over there.
So happy 69th birthday, pops.
Happy year.
That.
It's gonna be a hell of a year.
So looking forward to it.
And hey.
That's a that's a good position to be in, man.
I gotta say.
Love that.
And by the way, folks, perfect moment towelcome in our special guest, Coach Rusty, who

(08:26):
my goodness gracious.
I came across you because all of a sudden I seethis lefty hitting paint into a wall, and then
all of a sudden there's this beautiful artworkthat comes out of it.
But let's take a step back and let's go all theway back to the beginning, Coach Rusty, with
how'd you get into the game of golf?
I love asking people that because everybody'sstory is kinda different, but sometimes they're

(08:48):
very much alike.
Yeah.
No.
I think I love my story.
I like telling it just because I think it'ssomething that people can take something out of
and maybe utilize it.
But I got into the game.
I think, you know, I got pictures of me with aplastic golf club when I was in diapers.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.

(09:08):
Yeah.
And my dad, he was an identical triplet.
One of them passed before I was born, but myUncle Donnie had his son Brett nine days before
me.
And so we kinda grew up with this, like,perfect little golf foursome.
My dad, my uncle, and my cousin.
And we kind of grew up playing the gametogether.

(09:30):
Never took it really seriously.
I was actually into, like, extreme sportsgrowing up.
I raced motocross pretty much every weekend,and I loved skateboarding as well after school.
But it wasn't until, like, high school that Ireally started getting, like, the bug, and
really enjoying it, going out to my dad'scountry club with it.
My parents were separated.

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So when I would spend time with my dad, a lotof the time, it would just be us on the golf
course.
We wanted to do something fun.
So out at the country club, I started reallygetting the bug, tried out for the high school
team, didn't make it, you know, got in a littlelate.
But then a week after I graduated high school,my father actually passed away, and it was

(10:16):
rough because, you know, he wasn't—I wouldn'tsay he was the best dad, but he was definitely
my best friend.
And we had a really good relationship, and hewas an amazing guy.
And I went through a two-year struggle afterthat.
And towards the end of that two-year struggle,I found the only place that I was happy was on
the golf course.

(10:36):
I loved, loved, loved being on the coursebecause it just kind of made me feel, you know,
those memories of the good times we had on thecourse.
And, you know, that golf was his gift to me,and I kind of wanted to give that gift back to
him and kind of dedicate my life to it.
And that's the decision I made about two yearsafter he passed.

(10:57):
Packed up all my stuff from Virginia.
Like 18, something like that.
That was 17 when he passed.
And then I was gonna go to college to theuniversity, and then I didn't go because I was
just struggling.
And then when I was 19, I made the decision tomove to Florida and went to a school called
Golf Academy of America, which is like, oh,yeah.

(11:19):
Which is like, it's the type of school whereyou get out of it what you put into it, but
unfortunately, a lot of the guys that go don'tput a lot in.
But for me, it was like, holy shit.
I'm in Florida.
I'm learning about golf, not only, you know,how to play, how to teach, the ins and outs of
the game itself, but also the business side ofthings.
And I really, really enjoyed it and reallyfound my passion for the game there and knew

(11:44):
that I had to make a career out of it fromthere.
So that's really how I got into the game.
Dude, that's an incredible story.
Good story.
Obviously, I mean, having that connection withyour dad and really I've well, and then getting
into the academy, I mean, I used to see thecommercials on the Golf Channel for that.
I was like, oh, man.

(12:05):
Maybe I should go out there and do that.
And then, decided to play instead, and what amistake that was.
No.
Got
some buddies that have attended the academy.
Yeah.
Good guys, and they're all good guys.
That's the thing.
Hey.
Yeah.
It's a I knew a couple of dickheads.
$30 to just party like a rock star and playgolf every day.

(12:26):
Exactly.
It it was it was $30.
Yeah.
$30, I think, for two years,
but like you said, you could take a lot out ofthat if you wanted to.
Yeah.
No, it's all about what you put into it becausethere were a ton of placement opportunities.
But also, while you're there, I mean, there'sliterally nothing else to do but to really play

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golf, at least from my standpoint.
And you had all these amazing facilities,whether it was the indoor facilities on-site on
the little campus or the courses that you hadconnections with.
So, I mean, literally, every day, you could behitting balls.
And then outside of that, we had two masterprofessionals at our campus that just had a
wealth of knowledge and really helped medevelop my game.

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I mean, it was really cool.
I remember one moment where the first day yougot to school, they would take a video of your
swing on V1.
Oh.
And then on
Yeah.
V1.
Yeah.
V1 was the shit.
And then at the very last day of school, theywould take another video of your swing.
And then they had, like, this class that was,like, the final class, and they played

(13:34):
everyone's before and after swing.
And I remember looking at a bunch of guys, andI saw some guys, like, put on a bunch of
weight.
Their swing maybe got a little bit worse.
You know?
And then they pull up my swing, and I'd lost,like, 60 pounds.
My first swing, I was over the top, and then mysecond swing, I was like I was like one
eighty-five lean tan, just a good Florida boy,and I was right in the slot, and everyone just

(13:59):
kinda clapped and gave me an applause.
And I was like, I'm the guy that put the mostwork in, and I think I'm gonna be the guy that
makes something out of it.
Like, you could just tell just by looking atthat side by side, like, that I gave a fuck.
So it's kinda like the volleyball scene in TopGun is kinda
Comes from us.
That's kinda how you finished up the deal, itseems like.

(14:21):
Yeah.
I was ready for that.
Yeah.
Aviators on just have to
be out there.
No, but yeah, it was good.
It was it was I loved it.
I was sad to see they closed down.
I think Kaiser still has like a program likeit.
But honestly, if you're down and out and you'regoing through tough times and you love the game

(14:41):
of golf, I'd pull the trigger on it.
I'd do it all over again without a doubt.
It was the best decision I ever made.
Dope.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's too bad.
They went away.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
But, I mean, what a story.
Let's talk about how you went from being a golfpro to how in the hell did you decide?

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Man, I'm curious about this paint.
I'm gonna start hitting golf shots into acanvas, and all of a sudden, you go from golf
pro to artist.
And, like Yeah.
That's gotta be one hell of a transition.
Yeah, I mean, so I guess it would be chaptertwo for me was, you know, after Golf Academy.

(15:26):
I actually had a son pretty quickly after that,which was just a total curveball.
And so I was a young father.
I was working at golf courses, and then Ifinally landed a teaching job.
All the while, I had a construction company atthe same time that I was working for, and I was
doing hardy board siding all over CentralFlorida.

(15:49):
I ended up getting hurt at work.
Can't go back to work.
I'm shortening this, but I landed a job forMitchell Spearman's Junior Golf Academy.
So Mitchell Spearman, he used to work withTiger.
He's a top 100 professional, and he happened tobring me on to help oversee his junior programs
up and down the East Coast.

(16:09):
I did a little bit at Isleworth, did a lot inVirginia, to New York for just a tiny brief
period of time, but I was mainly in Virginiaworking at Belmont Country Club and then a
place called Dominion Valley in Haymarket,Virginia.
I was running the junior programs.
Finally made my way back down to Florida.
Started working with a guy named Charles Cox.
He developed an app called SwingU.

(16:30):
I helped develop his online coaching platform,really kind of help the guys.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Built out the back end of the app so that wecould give online instruction.
We brought on Gary Gilchrist.
I started working with him a little bit,filming his video libraries to go on our app.
All it was like it was like bridging the gapfrom golf instruction to this new wave of, you

(16:52):
know, e-commerce for golf.
And it was kind of right before social mediastarted blowing up, but went from that into the
golf trick shot phase of my life, which iswhere I became Coach Rusty, and that's kind of
where I started garnering my following onsocial media.
So I would post these little trick shot videos.

(17:13):
I saw the videos of guys juggling the golf ballup and down.
I thought it was the coolest thing in theworld.
I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn how to dothat.
And, you know, sure enough, you spend enoughtime in your mom's basement bouncing a golf
ball up and down.
You can get pretty good at it, and I did.
And that actually became my career.
That's when I was able to kind of forfeiteverything else and really focus on social

(17:35):
media and posting content, building myfollowing.
And I probably did trick shots and golf contentfor seven years.
So the trick shots and the kind of the socialmedia fame came before the artwork.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I I've been in the space a while.

(17:55):
And I I mean, about two years ago, I startedgetting really burned out from posting golf
content.
It just it was like, you know, you're getting alittle older.
You're in your you're pushing your 30.
You know?
Do you really wanna do this?
And then you see all the YouTube guys goingoff, and I never really had a passion for

(18:16):
YouTube content.
Like, I'm not that's not for me as much as Iwould like to be living the life those guys are
living.
Trust me.
Don't get me wrong.
I fucking would for sure.
It's just that that lifestyle is not for me.
So I really wanted to go from creating,creating, creating to owning something.
And one day, I'm sitting in my little golfwarehouse and I make a video where I'm hitting

(18:40):
paint-covered golf balls at a canvas just forfun.
Just totally for fun.
People like the video.
The video did well.
So whenever a video does well, you kind ofdouble down, create
And no background.
Right?
No painting background.
Just just just standard little golf splatter.
You know?
And kind of doubled down on it, doubled down onit.

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And then I kind of am looking around mywarehouse, and I've got all these white walls,
and I'm wanting some art for my walls.
And I go on Google.
Can't find anything that I like.
It's all Arnold Palmer smoking a cigarette or apicture of a golf course.
Just like there's no real good golf art outthere at the time.
So I'm like, fuck it.
I'm just gonna make it.
Like, let me try.
You know?
No art background.

(19:21):
Nothing.
And I'll be completely honest.
Like, I got so many hate comments and lookingback at some of the videos I posted.
I totally agree with the comments.
Like, I really do.
But that pushed me to be like, yo.
Like, if I'm really gonna try this out and bethe golf art guy, like, let me get better and
better and better.

(19:41):
And I think I've done that extremely well, andit's been super successful.
So, yeah, that's the condensed version, butthere it is.
Yeah.
You are so successful with it because nowyou're getting some big projects too.
I saw that you had the Bay Hill project, buttake us through what are some of the biggest
projects that you've worked on or even some ofthe coolest ones that you've been contracted

(20:06):
for.
Yeah, I will say, you know, when it came tobefore I started selling art, I was always kind
of like waiting for like the right first clientto be like, yeah, this guy bought my shit.
Like, fuck you.
Like, I did it.
Yeah.
And one day, I'm playing golf with my brother,and I get a DM from Josh Allen, the Buffalo

(20:26):
Bills quarterback.
And he's like, hey, man.
Just bought a new house in Buffalo.
Was really interested in getting some artworkfrom you for my spot.
Like, how do we go about it?
And I was like, I don't fucking know.
Like, I've never sold shit, but we'll make itwork.
I was like, dude, just, yeah, like, you know, Iwas like, just shoot me a text, gave him my

(20:49):
phone number.
And instead of a text, I got a FaceTime fromhim, and I was like, holy shit.
Like, I randomly answered a FaceTime and boom,Josh Allen's in my face.
I was like, oh my god.
This is incredible.
So long story short, chitchatted back and forthwith him and his interior designer, ended up
making three paintings for him.
I didn't know how to ship artwork.
So I ended up driving from Orlando all the wayup to Buffalo to deliver them.

(21:12):
Yeah, it was really fun.
And then I made a little trip out of it, wentinto Canada a little bit, and it was really
cool.
But, yeah, that was what really kick-startedit.
And then since then, you know, I've had a lotof opportunities to create art with some
brands.
I did one for Call of Duty.
I did one for Mastercard, obviously Bay Hill aswell.

(21:33):
I've done a couple live paintings, one for PGATour Superstore.
I did one out in Utah for this big VC kindasummit thing, and it's been really cool and a
bunch more coming up.
This year is gonna be crazy with the livepaintings.
I've got a bunch of really cool
Are you going to shows?
Are you going to, like, traditional, like,galleries, anything like that?

(21:56):
Austin, thank you, bro.
Appreciate you.
You're the man.
Oh, yeah?
No.
So haven't done a gallery or anything.
We did just do our pop-up shop because we kindof had started to branch into merchandising it.
Like you can see my hat here.
Your hat's sick.
I noticed that it was the whole.
Yeah, that's based off my first painting whereI did a golf ball on a TV with a crown.

(22:19):
It was like the first painting I did and alwayswanted to do, like, Coach Rusty merch, but I
never wanted it to just be, like, Coach Rusty,like, super dumb in my opinion.
But now we have a symbol.
We have something that tells the story, and Ithink it makes sense, and it looks really
clean.
So we did a pop-up shop with some of ourapparel, but we also did like a little live
gallery.
So that was like my first experience doingthat.

(22:40):
That was down in St.
Pete, Florida, and it was really great.
We had like 50 people show up and duh.
Really cool.
But, yeah, I mean, art galleries, one day I'llget there.
I think I'm still working on my arsenal of justbuilding some paintings that I'm super, super
proud of, and I have quite a few of them now,and I think I'm about ready.
I'm working on one right now that I'm stokedon.

(23:02):
But yeah,
Very cool.
Has the Masters knocked down the door yet?
No.
I do.
However, funny story.
I can't say his name, but a guy I used to workwith at Bay Hill that had me do paintings for
the umbrella day to benefit the Arnie andWinnie Palmer Foundation.

(23:23):
He recently got hired by Augusta National.
So all I'm gonna say.
That would be
Hit the wrong one there.
Hopefully, he hears this, and he's gentlyreminded.
Hey, man.
Yeah.
Gosh.
Wouldn't that be something?

(23:43):
Mhmm.
What would you do?
I mean, what oh, we yeah.
We can't go down that path yet.
Yeah.
That would be
I'd need to change underwear for that one.
For sure.
I'm hard.
I got
a job.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
Now you've got over, well, 249,000 followers onInstagram, and you said the trick shots were

(24:09):
really where it kinda built up.
I mean, you've had to have a lot of movementtoo now.
I mean, that's a quarter of a million followerson Instagram.
So the artwork and everything, did you start tosee that number kinda tick up?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was, like, stuck around, like, 80,000followers for, like, the longest time on
Instagram, and then it spiked up once I starteddoing the art a little bit.

(24:34):
I've kinda slowed down on the content creationjust because I'm kind of dedicating a little
bit more of my time into learning how to growthis business and scale this business.
Of course, we're gonna dive back in becausesocial media is such a valuable tool, and
fortunately, I already know that side ofthings.
So the content creation will ramp back up.
I'm sure the following will start picking backup as well.

(24:56):
We were actually at, like, 264,000, but thensince I didn't have any, I dropped all my
sponsors.
Like, I had a bunch of sponsors.
And since I started making my own revenue, Istarted getting a little bit more outspoken
politically and took a pretty big hit.
Okay.
But but that's
just okay.
No.
It's totally okay.
I think it's very important that just becauseyou're a content creator, I don't think that it

(25:23):
means you're not a human, and I think youshould be able to use your voice.
Whether you have a platform or not, you'restill just a dude.
So absolutely.
Should be able to be you.
Yeah.
%.
So I've I've just been authentically myself forthe past two years, and it feels so damn good.
That is awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, and it feels so good probably too to beable to say, hey, don't have to worry about

(25:44):
sponsors or kind of worrying about what I'msaying, and that's gotta be such a freedom type
of feeling that coincides with that.
Needless to say, we don't know the other sideto that because we always just talk our minds
anyway.
So yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, hey, if there's consequences, thereare.
That's alright with us.
Yeah.
What does the future hold for you?
I mean, at this point,

(26:05):
I wish I knew that'd be sweet.
I'd start investing in the right places.
No, I mean, I'd say it's just a lot oflearning.
I think it's funny.
You kind of think on my story and you look atall the different things I've done, I think
there's always been a point where no matterwhat the occupation is or whatever I'm doing in

(26:29):
my life, I always get to a point where I'mlike, what's next?
And I kind of feel the fire kind of being litunder my ass saying like, hey.
Time's up here.
Let's move on.
But I never have known what that thing is.
It's just the fact that I'm keeping myself inmotion and constantly surprising myself with
what the possibilities are.
Like, if you asked me two years ago, would I besitting here talking to you about my artwork

(26:52):
and how successful it's been?
No.
There's no shot because that was neversomething that I could have foreseen.
So I would like to say I'd be content in notknowing if that makes sense.
Because I
love that answer.
Yeah.
That's why it works.
Yeah.
Let it come moment by moment.

(27:12):
You know?
You never know what's next.
Just as long as you keep going.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Think that's a Rocky Balboa quote.
No matter how hard you get hit.
I kinda like that.
I'd be content in not knowing.
That's a good quote.
Yeah.
You might have to put that on a T-shirt orsomething.
Yeah.
And then the "o" in knowing is a golf ball with

(27:34):
the...
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, I will say there is a blank canvas behindus in the studio.
But yeah.
We need something there.
Well, you listen.
We know a guy, but, you know, I mean, we'vetalked about it.
So, hey, if you're ever bored and you wannacreate something, feel free.
It's right behind us.
So Buttsy's also very artistic.

(27:56):
Are we gonna dodge that right now?
Because he is a beast.
A beast.
He really is.
He's got those putter covers too.
This and the snoring siren and all that stuff.
My god.
So good.
Yeah.
Guys are mentally unstable people.
It's not
Remember when I said I'm tired of free shit?

(28:16):
I
didn't mean it.
Don't stop.
I like boxes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright.
Matty, I've gotta just bring this up.
You're looking like you're sitting on the fryrack at McDonald's.
There's a little bit of a heat going on withyour face there, I just wanna make sure you're

(28:39):
okay.
Yeah.
Is there?
No.
Very
rare.
I'm not okay.
No.
I'm fine.
I'm
good.
Alright.
I feel great.
Let's get let's get into the DGL playoffsrecap.
You cool, Coach Rusty, with talking some golfwith us?
Oh, I'll shoot the breeze with you, Ilana.
Let's do it.
Let's get into this.

(28:59):
I mean, what are your thoughts so far on theTGL?
Have you even watched a match or any we we'reasking everybody.
I've watched two matches.
Okay.
So you're an expert.
Yeah.
Is that more than most?
Maybe.
Maybe.
I mean,
I think I kind of created my opinion on itwithin the first 30 minutes of watching the

(29:25):
first one.
I think it's cool.
Don't get me wrong.
I think the technology is amazing.
I love seeing the banter between the guys, butmy couple notes are it's first.
It's something that I'd rather go do thanwatch.
I mean, simply put, I think also it's a littlebit of an overload sensory-wise.

(29:46):
It's like I can hear Roger Steele.
I can hear the announcer in the building.
I can hear the players talking.
I can hear the commentator from ESPN.
I can hear the music in the place.
I can hear the crowd.
So it's just like a lot of noise, and theneven, like, the lights and the camera.
The camera doesn't know where to go sometimes.
So it's kind of a lot.
I think those are just growing pains, honestly.

(30:09):
I think it's got really good bones.
If I'm being honest, I think it could besomething really cool.
I think the only way it scales is obviously ifthey actually created, you know, stadiums in
all the cities where the teams are.
So they have, like, they're traveling to eachspot.
But, you know, financially, what's that looklike?

(30:31):
I don't know.
Somebody just say that.
What did they say?
Did you see the comment?
I can't talk and read.
Brian Shane threw out there a nice littlecomment.
I'll pull it back up here.
Yeah.
Pull it back.
Heard rumors of a new TGL team for next seasonas the ladies join the league.
The Bunny Ranch Split Liquors.

(30:52):
Hell of a—that's an aggressive name.
I'd love to have a beer with that guy.
Oh, man.
I thought the Utah Soakers was gonna be a hellof a name, but
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Just Tony Finau's team.
Damn.
You know,
You know who made a good point about it to mewas Pete, your boy, Todd Dobson.

(31:14):
Oh, yeah.
He made some sense about TGL and golf ingeneral.
Same with LIV and like kind of throwing themall in the same boat and it's like, you know,
when you watch a guy get his first PGA Tour winor you watch a seasoned pro win a major or
fight for that or a comeback or whatever.
TGL is not romantic.
Like there's nothing romantic about it.

(31:35):
It's kind of what he said.
I like that.
You know what I mean?
There's not like this passionate like he'sgoing to get their first win out there.
Oh my God.
I'm pulling for this guy.
It's like, no.
Not really.
No.
It's all just strictly for strictly forentertainment and money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's a money grab.
I mean, it looks more like actually like anattempt for a money grab, but it looks more

(31:56):
like a money dump to me.
But yeah, yeah, you know, but I can't say thatthe concept isn't cool.
It is cool because it would be fun as shit togo in there and play on that shit.
But it's like, okay, look at any otherprofessional sport.

(32:16):
And I think that's what they're trying to be ifI'm not mistaken.
I mean, it looks like that's how they'remarketing it, as a professional sport with
cities and teams and fan bases and everything.
How does one play amateur TGL?
You know, like, I can go pick up a basketballand go shoot hoops.

(32:36):
I can go play men's league football.
As a kid, I can play youth sports.
Is there youth TGL?
Is there no access to that level of technology?
It's like they skipped all the steps and justbuilt something way ahead of—it's hard to put
into words because it's just so confusing.
But yeah.

(32:57):
Yeah.
Never really know how good you are at the TGLuntil you do it.
Right?
Yeah.
And also, like, as good as the technology is,and it is really good.
I like full swing stuff a lot.
It's never going to be perfect.
We've already seen so many little mistakes, anddude.
Oh my god.
Funniest thing was like the first nightwatching TGL, someone went to the bunker, and I

(33:21):
was like how long until someone skulls it outof a bunker into the crowds, and dude, was it
Kisner that hit his net?
Flag saved him, man.
Saved him.
Could have murdered a person.
I got so many replies about that.
Did you see Kis?
Did you see Kis?
Just hit a laser beam right at
the crowd.

(33:41):
Oh my god.
You know what it is, though?
I've kinda pinpointed where the success of thisentire thing is, and it's not necessarily the
viewership.
Granted, for a first year, brand new product,exhibition deal, like, yes, getting 500,000
viewers on average is pretty damn good.
I mean, just look at LIV Golf struggling to get15,000.

(34:04):
Sure.
But look at the networks they're on, though.
I mean,
Correct.
Now I will say that, yeah, ESPN for sure haskind of a way bigger audience built around it
and so forth than ESPN Plus.
So that for sure.
I'm not mistaken that at all with what you say,but the one interesting thing to me with the

(34:26):
TGL is that they have this vehicle now thatcreates this social media content.
It's almost like a social media engine.
And from that point of view, like, it's a homerun right off the bat because now they're
actually getting clips.
They're actually able to show some of theseguys' personalities a little bit more.

(34:46):
And
But what for what, though?
That's that's ex there's a lot cheaper ways todo that, though.
You know,
you like what what what for, you know, like,okay, you're getting clicks, you're getting
views on something and yes, you're entertainingsomebody.
But what is that selling?
If that's your goal?
What is that marketing?
Like what for?
I think it's to bring people back into theindividuals on the PGA Tour.

(35:09):
And I mean, we're seeing that uptick with thetournaments right now to where they're getting
better numbers.
Once again, going back to because over the pasttwo years, I mean, literally, each year has
been down almost 30% in viewership and now it'skinda spiking back upwards.
So yeah.
I don't know if that's related to the TGL inany way whatsoever.

(35:31):
No.
Think but I do kinda see.
Yeah.
I mean, I think Coach hit it on the head,though.
Like, you know, you can watch all the othersports and you can relate to having played
them.
You can relate to having played soccer orplayed baseball at a high level or been on a
football field when you were younger orwhatever, and it's not too far detached from
the professional level of the game.

(35:52):
They all play by the same rules.
This is like, there's no relatability, like,alright, how would I do out there?
I don't know.
You're not going to find out because you don'thave a $1.4 billion screen to go hit balls
into.
Yeah, I mean, I would say the only plus for TGLfor me is kind of what you were alluding to
was, you know, the ability to have kind of adifferent type of access to the personality of

(36:15):
the pack, and that's great, but, like, you knowwho does a better job of that?
Full Swing on Netflix.
And I think it costs a fraction of what they'redoing.
You know what I mean?
But also, these players are also utilizing, Imean, the ones that are ahead of the curve are
utilizing their own social platforms to kind oflet people in as well.

(36:38):
So, I mean, yes, it does do that, but I thinkthere's just so many other ways of people doing
that, you know, and ways that are way morecost-effective.
Personally, I don't see the longevity in TGL.
Like, I just cannot see it, and I'd love to beproved wrong on that, but I just, like, I

(36:58):
can't.
I can't see it.
I just don't understand how they can continuedoing that.
I just, I mean, I can, but I just don't see howit would be profitable.
I like tuning in to where it's kind ofbackground noise a lot of times for me.
So I'll be working or doing other things, andit's on in the background.

(37:18):
And, like, I'll catch, like, a hot moment thattakes place, and they go to a replay and so
forth.
Like, that to me, like, I just enjoy it, but Ialso come from a golf technology background.
A lot of people in the audience and so forthknow that my background, it's from golf
simulation and so forth.
That was always kind of the goal within thetechnology world is to create something like

(37:42):
this.
So it's cool to me to see it come to realityand to see
You can relate to it.
Pros playing on it.
Yeah.
I can relate to it.
So talk about relatability.
I can where yeah.
of times when it comes to, like, normal golf,it is not that.
And I think a lot of people have tried to justsay this I don't know.

(38:05):
A lot of people have said that, at least thatI've heard in terms of feedback around it, be
it's sucking and so forth that it's not realgolf.
Well, no kidding.
It's simulator golf.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The guys are playing into a golf screen.
I'm honestly shocked that something in, like,Korea or in certain parts of Asia, that this
kind of concept didn't pop up first, to becompletely honest, because a majority of the

(38:28):
golf that's played in certain areas over thereis simulator golf.
Like, that's the preferred way of playing golf.
It's oftentimes the only way to access forpeople.
They love
it there.
Do we?
I mean, we all know.
Love it.
No.
That's screen golf over there, my friend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, that is that's the Mecca of golf over inKorea.
Now if golf, actual golf was way moreaccessible over there for them, would they

(38:51):
probably prefer that?
Yes.
But, you know, it's
I mean, the TGL's on, dude.
And, like, if I'm on the treadmill watching andit's on, and then right here is ping pong, like
pro ping pong.
You're going ping pong?
Watching ping pong.
Like, immediately write it off like a dickhead.
I'm like, oh, yeah.
It's TGL.
So I wrote golf, whatever.
I'm gonna watch.

(39:11):
I stopped watching.
You know, I would be a lot more interested inTGL if it wasn't the guys on tour.
I would be so much more interested in watchingsome guys that are like, if there was some sort
of, you know, reward or some sort of placementfor doing well at TGL to maybe even get you
some sort of placement at an event or somethingof that sort.

(39:34):
Like that would be sick.
I would watch the shit out of that becauseyou're watching some guys actually lay it on
the line, try to make something happen.
But again, when it comes to technology, I don'tthink they're 100% comfortable with it yet to
where like, dude, if something that massive ison the line and there's some sort of flaw, that

(39:56):
look can really, it can really bite you in theass from a PR perspective.
So
Or they do give the guy a spot and he goes outand shoots like a 40 even on the golf course.
So it's like, alright.
We can't be
doing it.
So hang on a second.
You guys aren't far off because TrackMan didthis.
They did.
Yeah, I know.
I know.

(40:16):
I actually had a call with them and they weretelling me about this and and they did and I
think
and I think that guy sucked in the tournamenttoo.
Another company, Golfzon.
Golfzon, Golfzon.
Yeah, dude, those simulators are freaking dope,by the way, but they did a tour as well, kind

(40:38):
of thing with a big cash prize, and then theydid the finale of it at the PGA Merchandise.
Oh, I did see that.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
Like,
I'm into that.
Like, I'm into watching, like, some dudes thatneed to do well.
You know?
Like, the PGA Tour guys do not need to do wellat PGL.

(40:58):
Like, they do not have any stake in the game,whatever.
They're just happy to be there having fun.
And it's like, yeah, that's cool to watch theseguys having fun, but, like, what is it for the
viewer?
You know?
That goes back to the romantic part and seeingsomebody that's not on tour pop on there and
change his entire fucking life.
Right?
Like, that would be way cooler to watch.

(41:18):
Listen.
I'm not against that by any means whatsoever.
I will say, though, that in the past coupleweeks with the playoffs on the line and so
forth now, guys that actually are starting tocare, like you can see the competitiveness.
Now granted it also it also turns against themto where they're just like because every pro
thinks that they don't miss a golf shot.
So, literally, they're like, oh, I can't hit acut in here.

(41:41):
I can't do this.
Like, JT was getting after it tonight saying,man, I can never hit a cut in this thing.
So you get those types of reactions, which I'vedone the exact same, especially on, like,
TrackMan.
I just scream at it.
I'm like, this is not accurate.
It's not working properly.
That's true, though.
Like, I have those situations all the time, youknow, and I was recently on TrackMan.

(42:04):
And if I hit my ball in this spot, but if Imoved it over two more feet, then it would give
me a good reading, but it tells me to hit itfrom here.
I think it's a lefty thing personally, but
I do think
it's a
prejudice against lefties in golf technologyfor sure.
But on TrackMan, it automatically knows ifyou're a lefty or a righty.
There's no actual

(42:25):
Right.
It's just radar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
There's something to be said too about theunspoken part, which is just swinging indoors,
and it's fucking different.
Like, it is so different.
You may not even know that it's happening, but,like, yeah, it's way different.
Launch, everything.
We used to have guys, Buttsy, come in,especially at the PGA Show.

(42:46):
And they're walking in from their car.
They're like, I hit my driver three hundredyards.
They hit it two forty.
And then you start to realize when you startworking with guys that are actually good and
you know their numbers, there are certain guysthat won't swing as hard.
Right.
That just, like, instinctually, they cannotswing as hard as what they do outside because
they know that they're indoors and they thinkthey're gonna break something.

(43:08):
Yeah.
Our guy over at PXG was telling me about this.
If you don't use, like, if you're hitting intoa screen, your spin numbers on TrackMan, like,
shit is off in there versus even what it'sgonna pick up outdoors unless you use, like, a
reflective golf ball, and your numbers aregonna be pretty, like, pretty different than
what you're gonna see outdoors on a drivingrange.

(43:29):
Right.
For sure.
Well, let's cover real quick the playoffsbecause we had New York Golf Club.
I got this.
York guy.
We'll see you in a second, bud.
New York Golf Club versus LAGC.
LAGC was the top seed.
New York Golf Club was the fourth seed.
New York Golf Club takes down the number oneseed.
They moved to the championship.
Atlanta Drive versus Bay Club.

(43:51):
The underdogs won there as well with JustinThomas leading the way.
No Wyndham Clark, though, who was the bestplayer in the DGL, which is wild that, like,
you look at all the stats and everything andWyndham Clark is the best player in the entire
thing.
Obviously, certain games match up a little bitbetter in there, which I've talked about
previously, but Atlanta Drive took advantage.

(44:13):
They ended up winning.
So now in the title match, the SoFi title, nextweek, we've got a best of three matches between
New York Golf Club and Atlanta Drive.
I do love that they actually built in, like,cities around these teams.
And right.
Like, that to me was one of the biggest missesby LIV Golf because when you can tie in

(44:37):
territories, like, do I really care about theindividual teams?
No.
But there's a team with New York on it.
And I'm like, I'm a New Yorker through andthrough.
And I'm just like, man, I've got to I've got aroot on my New York Golf Club.
So that's that's a fun part to it.
Let's get into the Players Championship recaphere as well.

(44:58):
We got on a little tangent there with the TGL,Buttsy, or should I say Scorpion?
Because I'm not quite sure from Mortal Kombatwhich one you are.
You do kinda look like Scorpion becauseScorpion was the yellow one.
Sub-Zero?
Zero.
was the blue one.
You're you're you're
Reflecting yellow.
Yeah.
You're reflecting yellow.

(45:19):
You're Scorpion, my friend.
Okay.
Yeah.
Go on.
Get over here.
Okay.
Moving on.
Players Championship, Rory McIlroy wins, whicheverybody knows.
If you're in the golf world, you're listeningto this podcast, you probably know Rory McIlroy
won.
However, everybody wants us to discuss the Roryphone gate.

(45:42):
Okay?
Whose side are you on here?
Was Rory being too soft?
Was it right for him to take the phone?
And then there's a very good college golferhere in Luke Potter who used to play for ASU
last year, then transferred out to Texas thisyear, won a tournament before going to the
Players.

(46:02):
And he's the one who shouted out at RoryMcIlroy.
So I'm gonna start with you, Coach Rusty, sinceI don't I don't know what I'm feeling from
Buttsy.
But where do you stand on the whole RoryMcIlroy thing?
You think he was being too soft, or you thinkhe was in his right to take the phone and get
Luke Potter kicked out of there?

(46:23):
I was already very adamant, or I I posted somestuff on social.
Well, comments, but, I wrote that both partiesare equally as soft.
Very soft because one, yeah, you talk someshit.
Not a good look.
Right?
Especially on this kid.

(46:44):
With what he said too.
It probably cut pretty deep for Rory, and I getit.
I'd I'd be I'd be upset if I'm Rory too, butI'm not taking homie's phone.
But also on the flip side, I'm not letting Rorytake my phone.
Like, I I I don't care who you are.
I don't care if you're Rory.
Like, yeah, I'm I'm
not letting you look at my phone.
No, no shot.

(47:04):
Are you getting my phone?
So I think the whole thing was a totalclusterfuck.
Personally, my opinion on Rory has dwindledover the past, you know, five years.
Probably I think he's just very, very soft.
I think he's a little bit too emotional, butI'm an emotional guy at times too.

(47:28):
So, you know, I couldn't be able to put myselfin his shoes and handle all the things that
he's handling, whether it's his personal lifeor his professional life, and especially with
all the things going on in golf and all thathe's invested in.
But, yeah, I think it was just, like,completely out of line for both parties, and I
think both guys are pretty soft.

(47:49):
I think Rory's just—I tell him to his face thathe's soft.
I really would.
I can't believe he snatched that guy's phone.
I just really can't believe it.
But move.
People go to jail for that.
That's theft.
I mean on a PGA Tour tournament.
And the fact that people even, like, defend it,it's like that was a wrong thing to do.

(48:11):
And just because he's Rory, it's okay.
No.
It's not.
It's such a soft move.
It's so soft.
But the fact that the guy let him do it, I justlike, wow.
Wow.
Yeah.
Buttsy, where do you stand on it?
Dude, honestly, it's like it was—
breathe under there?

(48:31):
Yeah.
This is fucking—that's a premium paintballmask.
There's—
I love that.
Love that.
For running and breathing or moving, shufflingas I do.
For running and breathing.
When I'm out there, shuffle.
I don't know how to run but no, it was awkward.
It was like, it wasn't even like, he's such afucking nerd about everything that he does that

(48:52):
he couldn't even snatch the phone.
Like, he didn't even know what he was doing.
I don't even think he, like, meant to take thephone.
I don't know.
He had this, I'm gonna be fucked.
I'm standing up for myself.
I'm about to be tough right now, and he justdid it in the most nerdy, awkward way, and I
think he took a selfie with it.
Is that true?
I don't know if that's actually true.
I saw this stuff about that.

(49:13):
I don't know if it's true.
I think it was just a half-assed attempt onRory's part to try
to look
hard, to look hard, and he's like the oppositeof hard, and I found that out when I saw him
throw a baseball.
I lost all respect at that point, and Irealized that he's not necessarily an athlete
or a multi-sport athlete, not even close.
He's just learned how to swing a golf clubreally well.

(49:34):
Everything else is super bitch-made, and I'mnot a fan.
Love it.
That's a great take.
I'm right there with you, brother.
Clip, clip, clip that up.
Now
I'd probably ask him for his autograph, though,if he were here right now.
Also with you.
I mean, let's just be honest.
Like, you gotta, you wanna go play nine?
Or

(49:55):
Hang out.
Dude, yeah.
No.
It's beers on me for sure.
You're cool.
Awesome.
You're so cool.
You like a Guinness guy?
Didn't say those things.
No.
You know how showbiz is.
I don't have that big of a beef with Rory.
In this situation, I do think it was soft.
I think it was pretty pathetic to have to goand snatch a kid's phone and even to delete

(50:20):
that video.
I think that's what he was doing, by the way.
I think he grabbed the phone to delete thevideo and then it probably locked, and he's
like, I'm just hanging on to this thing.
Did everyone else was recording?
Yeah.
I mean, it's like, dude, it's gonna be all oversocial media no matter what you end up doing.
I know he wanted to take that spotlight awayfrom whoever said it, and obviously, it ended

(50:42):
up being Luke Potter.
But I watched the video too, and I'm like, Ithink it was Luke Potter's buddy who gave Rory
his phone.
Like, I keep looking at that video, and I'mlike, that's not Luke Potter who hands Rory the
phone.
Interesting.
Do you know?
It is interesting.
I do think that it is, you know, it's shite.

(51:03):
It's absolute shite as the Irish people say.
He should've thrown it on the ground and, like,slammed his driver on it or something.
Like, I don't know.
Just kinda just a wean—it's just a wean job.
Just a wean job.
Alright.
So we're all pretty much on the same page withthat whole deal.
Any guess that there's gonna be anyrepercussions for Luke Potter?
I've read an article that was like, there'sgonna be so much backlash for this kid, blah

(51:27):
blah blah.
I'm like
His coach already has, like, severelyreprimanded him, I guess.
That's what they said.
But I'm really?
The coach probably just had to say thatpublicly, and he was like, he's like, dude,
don't say shit at a tournament anymore.
I can't believe Rory took your phone.
What a bitch.
Yeah.
That's probably exactly how it was.
Yeah.

(51:48):
I think we could quote that right there.
Now, obviously, there was a tournament thatstill went on.
J.J.
Spaun, you know, poor guy.
Did you see him in the press conferenceafterwards?
Just absolutely befuddled.
Like, couldn't believe that the golf ball wentover the green and went into the water.

(52:08):
Imagine if that happened on the TGL.
Oh, he'd lose his absolute goddamn mind yellingat the technology.
But good old J.J.
Spaun, he sat there and he dealt with it likehe was in the media afterwards.
And this gets into the next point where CollinMorikawa the week before at Bay Hill had a
rough final round on Sunday and decided not tomeet with media and got a lot of criticism by a

(52:31):
lot of people in Rocco Media and some of theolder gentlemen who are just like he needs to
go in and do his media.
Now it is not like, it is not something thatthey have to do to go in and meet with the
media afterwards, but it's something thatthey're expected to do.
Question to you there.
Yeah.

(52:51):
Well, hold on.
Especially there.
Correct.
Because it's an elevated.
At its signature event, right?
Yep.
But let's go back to Rory and the Irish goodbyeat the U.S.
Open, right?
Yeah.
So I was literally thinking I was like, if J.J.
birdies 18, are we going to see another Irish?
Goodbye from Rory, very possible, you know, andvery possible, you know, or is he going to come

(53:16):
out there like a man and shake his opponent'shand and say, job.
Congratulations, you know, like, good for you,man.
You put up a good fight because that would havemeant the absolute world to J.J.
Spaun.
To not only win that event, but to have Rory,one of the GOATs, come up to you and be like,
well played.
Like, congrats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
And, you know, obviously, with the U.S.

(53:37):
Open, it's Bryson at one, and then there's theLIV stuff going on.
But still, no excuse.
It's a major championship.
Act like a major champion, which you arepreviously, Rory.
So, no.
I think maybe Rory set the tone a little bitfor that kind of behavior, since he is the face
of golf, kind of, at this point.

(53:59):
But, yeah.
I mean, look, I get being pissed off.
I get it.
There's a lot of times where I've been pissedoff in situations, and I think the best thing
to do is to remove myself.
But at the end of the day, you're aprofessional golfer.
Yes.
You've worked your ass off to be there, butyou're also extremely fortunate to be there,

(54:19):
and guys would kill for a second-place finish.
Yeah.
And go shake a guy's hand.
Go do press.
Get out of there.
You know?
Yeah.
Be a gentleman.
Like, uphold the fact that you're out therebecause of these fans that watch you.
Like, that's, you know?
I don't know.
Well, I think Collin's point that he made tothe media this week with the players was that

(54:44):
none of the media followed him because he wentand signed autographs for the fans and so forth
afterwards instead of doing the media becausehe just wanted to get out of there in his
words.
I will say this, like, early, like, if youcaught me in my twenties, I would probably be
like Rory and Collin Morikawa, where I'm like,I just gotta get out of here.

(55:07):
I don't wanna have to deal with people.
I just wanna go, like, crawl under a rock andlive there for a while.
Nowadays, I'm like, man, I don't get that asmuch from these guys to where it's like, hey.
Just you, this is a privilege to be able to beout there and to play that well and to come in

(55:28):
second to what you guys are saying.
So I'm more so now at a point in life to whereI'm like, man, really, even though you don't
wanna do it, you should, and you should shakeyour opponent's hand.
You should make sure that you go in, speak tothe media, be authentic while you're in there.
Like, you don't have to sugarcoat it.
You can
like, you can be pissed off.
Yeah.

(55:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
%.
And I think people would resonate with thatmore rather than just dipping.
And let me ask you this.
Like, remember the days at Bay Hill when Arniewould be there on the green.
Right?
Or if he was still alive and he was and he wasthere at that tournament, do you think Collin
would have done that?
Oh, no.
He'd have been there.
You know?
So that tournament, it's personally special forme.

(56:10):
It's here at home for me, but I'm a huge ArnoldPalmer fan.
Always will be.
And that place is sacred.
There's something about it.
Like, we're he's just there still.
You can feel it.
You gotta respect that shit.
You really do.
You really do.
Integrity.
That stage is only there for you because ofwhat other people have done in the past for

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you, especially Arnold.
So respect it.
Do your job.
You played your golf, do some press, get out.
It's very simple.
It's really not hard to be as pissed as youwant to be.
I get it.
You want to win.
Your calling didn't have any scars up to thispoint, right?
He didn't have any.
Had a tough run, though, to where, like, hedidn't win anything last year.

(56:53):
And the media, he was constantly talking aboutit because they kept asking him, like, hey.
You haven't been able to close out a major.
You haven't been able to do this ever sinceyour PGA Championship win at Harding Park.
And so he's had some struggles around, youknow, closing out golf tournaments and being up
there.
And I mean, he played so well last year toobecause he was in form for the majority of the

(57:17):
year.
Well, I mean, here's the thing though.
Like, I think there's some sort of sense ofentitlement where like if you become a major
champion early on in your career, youautomatically do that.
Think you think you're the guy, right?
Like it really sets a tone, but golf is in atotally different place right now.
It's not where you're just gonna be the guyunless you're Scottie Scheffler.

(57:39):
Kind of.
But even he's struggling right now.
Right?
Like, he went on an absolute diabolical tear,but I didn't think that that would be like a
Tiger run.
And that was a once in a lifetime thing.
I think what Tiger did, truthfully.
I really believe that.
But you see there's so many guys that can win.

(58:00):
There's so many that can win, so it can be soincredibly frustrating.
But if you just take the time to not be soentitled and recognize like, hey, dude, anyone
can go out there and beat my ass unless I playmy game.
Then, you know, there's really no reason to getin that headspace after, you know, coming in
second place.
So, I mean, I don't know.

(58:21):
And here's Brian Shane.
He's talking about remember Arnie's pressconference at the U.S.
Open?
How emotional he was?
No one would have blamed him if he had skippedthat, and he didn't.
So that goes back.
I think it's a maturity.
Integrity.
Yeah.
Great point.
Yeah.
That's what we're that's what we're that's thepoint we're trying to make, and you put it so
well right there.
I mean, have some accountability for yourself,be a grown man and take an L like a man.

(58:50):
That's life.
Whether it's on the golf course or it's not.
You know what's wild?
You just has that scar.
Right?
Now people revere him a whole lot differentthan they did before that event.
Like yeah.
You just
said that, and it reminded me of something thatone of my buddies says at the golf course, he's
like, you know, we're not just there for yourwins or your good times, but we're there for

(59:15):
the struggles too.
Like, we wanna see that.
We don't wanna like, the fan base doesn't wannabe there for all the good times.
You wanna be there through some of thestruggles.
That way you appreciate the win so much more.
Again, I think we're all in agreement here thatyeah.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
You know, I was watching "Full Swing," andwhat's her name?

(59:36):
I can't remember her name.
She works with Tiger a little bit, but she wastalking about Rory's Irish goodbye at the U.S.
Open.
She was saying, oh, I love that.
It shows that he's a fierce competitor.
You know, I'd love to see a little bit more ofthat from Rory.
And I just thought that was like the worstpossible take you could see, but that's on
"Full Swing" now, right?

(59:58):
So guys are seeing this, people are seeingthat, and I'm interested as to whether maybe
that would have an effect on people in theirmindset of whether they like seeing a guy get
pissed off and leaving to show that he's gotsome tenacity to him or would they rather see
him stick around and show a little bit ofhimself to the people?

(01:00:18):
Yeah.
I wanna see show
the emotion of being pissed off.
Let, like, air it out, dude.
Be a man.
I think yeah.
That's something that's dying every day today.
And, yeah, running away from something is kindait's junk.
Well, I talked about it, gosh, going back,like, a year and a half, two years ago now to
where you know, I like to see the emotion onthe golf course.

(01:00:38):
People always shun it.
They're like, oh, don't be Jon Rahm.
Don't be this.
Don't be that.
You can't show your emotions out there on thegolf course.
But when we think about it, Tiger wasn't thebiggest personality in the world, but he showed
it on the golf course.
Right?
For sure.
Yeah.
And that's where it's like, man, I wish we hadmore guys out there now showing it on the golf

(01:01:01):
course.
And you do have the announcers like Immelmanand so forth.
I'll just say so forth because, you know, yougot Smylie Kaufman on there, they're just like,
the mental side to this is so great to watchScottie Scheffler and how calm he is and shows
zero emotion whatsoever.
That's how the modern-day golfer needs to be.

(01:01:21):
And I just, I cringe when I hear that stuff.
Yeah.
Because I'm like, where's the Arnie Palmer?
Where's the Tiger Woods?
It's feeding off of the energy, yeah, of thecrowd.
I see a lot of that in, like, a guy like JT.
Right?
Like, he lays it out there emotionally on thegolf course.
So that's like a guy I'd really like to seecome back into form.

(01:01:41):
I think that would actually be huge for golf,honestly, because he's like that guy that kind
of brings that what you're talking about to thegolf course, not just a press conference, but
to the golf course.
And, yeah, I'd really like to see him go on atear during this Florida swing.
He's getting close, Rusty.
He is.

(01:02:03):
He is.
I really like that guy a lot.
What's he?
Plus 2,000
this week?
I saw the odds, and I was like, there's acouple tasty ones.
I know we're gonna get into that.
But
We are.
That's next.
Which is the Coach Rusty Championship, aka theValspar, folks.
And let's get right into it because this isactually, you know, after the players, you

(01:02:23):
kinda have a little bit of a letdown.
You're like, oh, what's next?
And this is not a tournament that reallydisappoints.
I mean, this is a great track at Innisbrook,and they're playing the Copperhead Course,
which is a demanding golf course.
Like, this is a beast that these guys have togo out and play.
And if the wind starts kicking up, are youkidding me?

(01:02:45):
Like, we're gonna see some low numbers if thatwind stays up.
I haven't looked at the weather report, butlet's go over some of the odds here with Tommy
Fleetwood at plus 1,100, Xander Schauffele plus1,200, Sepp Straka plus 1,800.
I can see that.
Justin Thomas plus 2,000, Tom Kim, Sam Burnsplus 2,200, Shane Lowry at plus 2,800.

(01:03:08):
Michael Kim at plus 3,000.
Adam Scott, Corey Conners plus 35,000.
Keith Mitchell, Byeong Hun An at plus 4,000.
Thomas Detry, Will Zalatoris at plus 4,500.
Stephan Jaeger, Jagermeister at plus 5,000.
Kurt Kitayama, Jacob Bridgeman, Rasmus Hojgaardat plus 5,500.

(01:03:29):
And then we got Jordan Spieth, Joe Highsmith,and Harry Hall at plus 6,000.
Crazy seeing Jordan down there.
I know.
Isn't that wild?
Oh, I was talking with somebody about this.
They asked me the other day that actually, onSaturday.
They're like, you ever think Jordan Spieth isgonna come back?
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:03:49):
You you guys do because I'm saying no.
No.
You
do.
The reason why his game was built around hisconfidence and his moxie.
When he came out of college, won the John Deereby hitting that bunker shot, and just
everything about him, there was moxie.
He lost that at hole 12 at Augusta.
And I don't know if that's something you everget back.

(01:04:11):
I think it's easier to find that than actuallyfinding a swing because he already has the
bones of a swing.
You know what I mean?
I don't love his swing, though.
You do?
But, yeah, it's not up to me to love his swing.
It's up to him.
You know, he's got good bones of a swing.
So he's maturing.

(01:04:31):
I don't think it'll be as far away as youthink.
I think he'll have it.
He'll have his time again.
It won't be, you know, record-breaking, buthe'll have his moments.
You what I mean?
Will go, like, they get a little vibe going andhe'll come out victorious.
More tournaments, maybe another major under hisbelt one day.

(01:04:54):
He's also just a very healthy guy.
So he's gonna have longevity and we've seen—Imean, Sergio won a major at what age?
How long did it take him?
Oh gosh.
What age was he?
He's pretty old.
Yeah.
So a long time.
So, but yeah, Sergio had a really good careeroutside of that, but just making my point of

(01:05:17):
there's longevity there.
Let him find it.
Let him mature a little bit.
Let him get out of his head.
got
think
I got time.
Yeah.
He's got time.
I love him.
I'm a huge Jordan Spieth fan, so I'm with you.
I would love to see it.
I just don't know if he gets that back, but Iwould love to absolutely see Jordan Spieth back
in the winner's circle.
I would actually love to see him change acouple things with his golf swing, but that's a

(01:05:41):
different point just because, yeah.
It leads to so much adventure throughout thegolf course.
And he's so great at recovery and everything,but you can't win nowadays, I feel like, going
up against how deep these fields are and winwhen you're constantly hitting out of the woods
and creating these incredible shots.
Yeah.

(01:06:02):
But yeah.
Alright.
I think you can.
I think you can.
I mean, you still gotta hit the shots.
Like, you know, when you hit it in the and youhit it to five feet or make, you know, two or
three 40-footers for birdie, which that'skinda, you know, what you have.
Bubba Watson won the from the shed.
I mean, you know?
He sure did.

(01:06:22):
And he took it away from Jordan Spieth.
Yeah.
I mean, guy hits it 340 right down the middle,and you win the hole from the woods, and you
still won the hole.
Right?
So it's like, yeah, it could happen.
Alright, Coach Rusty.
Who we liking this week?
Alright.
So, it depends on what you're trying to do,right?
If I'm a.
We want a winner.
Win.
So, we're looking for a winner.

(01:06:44):
Oh.
Oh, man.
It's tough.
Who's playing good Florida golf right now?
It's it's it's all about who keeps it under thewind nicely.
You gotta play the wind nicely in Floridabecause it's gonna be breezy, especially down
there.
You're right by the coast.
So, man, Fleetwood's odds are ridiculousbecause I really like Fleetwood for this, and I

(01:07:11):
think he so do.
He had a pretty good couple of weeks.
But, dude, I'm going alright.
You ready?
Corey Conners.
Whoo.
Great iron player.
Great iron player.
Great iron player.
If he yeah.
And in this broke shit.
If you're in good irons, I feel like you got ashot.

(01:07:33):
He's gotta putt well there.
You're gonna have a lot of longer irons in.
It plays pretty long.
So it's weird.
It's near the coast, but there's a lot ofundulation on that golf course.
It's pretty interesting.
Okay.
And a lot of tight doglegs.
It's a tough course.
Think you're gonna have a lot of longer ironsin.
So yeah, you do have to putt well, a lot ofundulation on the greens there as well.

(01:07:53):
So I like that pick, though.
I'm gonna pick it.
I like that guy.
Corey Conners.
I would put my money on Corey Conners at plus3,500 because those are sweet odds.
I like it.
Lock it in.
Lock it in.
Buttsy, what about you, buddy?
I'm gonna place my bet right now.
Sepp.
Sepp Straka.
I like

(01:08:14):
Sepp.
I saw him up there in that third best odds andI'm like, I understand that.
I know why they're saying it.
He's just solid as fuck, man.
I feel like when the pendulum swings for himonce a year or whatever and like we talk about,
he has that little part of the season where hegets super hot.
He's about there.

(01:08:35):
Love it.
Lock that in for Buttsy with Sepp Straka.
I'm gonna give a quick little shoutout, which Ididn't do earlier on, Bud Cauley.
So a friend of the show, David Geese II, is thecaddy for Bud Cauley.
They had a great week.
We were texting throughout the weekend.
I was like, come on, baby.
Let's fucking go.
After that Saturday round, I was like, man,this is and you could tell.

(01:08:59):
Little bit of nervousness going on over intheir camp, but he played great.
Really good.
It's great to see him playing well because thatkid is 8, and he's not a kid anymore.
I mean, shit, he's a grown-ass man, but he'sbeen through so many injuries.
It's just awesome to see him playing so well.
And I would love to pick him for this week, butI'm absolutely not going to do it.

(01:09:21):
I'm actually going with the guy that you weretalking about, Coach Rusty, in Justin Thomas.
Justin Thomas is trending in the rightdirection, and I do feel that if he did not get
off to such a terrible start at the Players onThursday, that he would have had a much more
even, like, weekend, versus he had to go ballsto the wall on Friday and go absolutely

(01:09:46):
berserk.
Final round, what did he shoot?
Six-six final round, I don't know what he shot.
I think he shot around even par.
Yeah.
Which is kinda what you kinda need to do finalround.
Right?
If you if Yeah.
Granted, you don't lose the tournament onThursday, and you tear it up on Friday like you
did.
So yeah.
I like it.
Last week too.
So I'm like, I have learned from my mistakes ingambling on golf that, like, when you see a

(01:10:11):
player in form and you miss out on them in atournament, don't give up on that player.
Like
Oh my.
Because they tend to win, like, the next weekor the week after.
So I'm sticking with my guy, Justin Thomas.
And if it is windy too, like, he's shown thathe can play in the wind.
And just such a great short game out of him.

(01:10:32):
So Justin Thomas.
So we've got Corey Conners by Coach Rusty.
We've got Sepp Straka with Buttsy, and we'vegot Justin Thomas with me with a little
shoutout to Bud Cauley.
So that would be sick to see Bud Cauley playwell again this week.
I didn't even realize he was gonna be in thefield, but I mean, more power to him.
That's pretty sick that Bud Cauley is playingso well.

(01:10:56):
Yep.
Super sick.
So fucking sick.
But do you got any other topics for tonight?
Not really, man.
I've had, like, five bottles of water and sixDiet Cokes, so I apologize.
I keep having to piss but in
terms of.
Bladder.
Topics now.
You know, like 40 milligrams of Zyn sittinghere and just having a night, you know?

(01:11:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
What time is it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The pump is getting after it.
He's got the Zyn collies over there.
Very nice.
You know it.
Yeah.
You play golf this weekend, Carl.
Are
you playing any golf?
Well, my website is about to release for ournewest drop and rebranding, and then I just

(01:11:41):
moved this week.
So been oh, Happy Gilmore 2.
We gotta talk about that.
But, yeah, I might I might get out there.
Happy Gilmore 2.
Discuss.
I hope it doesn't suck.
I
hope it doesn't suck.
I'm dude.
Scared to watch it.
I know, man.

(01:12:02):
Because it could.
And there's so many golfers
in it.
Whole thing.
Dude, the way they filmed it looked very lowbudge.
So I'm a little nervous.
Unless you've seen the first one.
It's not exactly high budget.
I mean, I don't know.
Trying to capture that though.
I don't know how they're gonna—we'll see.

(01:12:22):
It's so many years later though that I feellike it's got a chance because sequels never do
as good as the original.
However, it's been such a long stretch of time.
When did Happy Gilmore
I don't know.
Sometimes they do though.
Yeah.
Like Hot Tub Time Machine 2 was fucking sick.
And you wouldn't believe it.

(01:12:42):
They fell right back through that hot tub.
Jurassic Park.
96, Happy Gilmore.
96.
That's fucking crazy.
And Shooter McGavin's still alive, which iswild with how much alcohol he drinks.
Yes.
I've seen it in person.
It's nuts.
Yeah.

(01:13:02):
Anyways, I really hope it doesn't suck.
I personally wish they didn't bring like actualtour pros in.
I was hoping for Paige Spiranac in it.
Oh god.
I was hoping for more of like a Champions Tour.

(01:13:24):
Yeah.
That's what I wanted out of it.
You know, he's a major maybe went through arough stage, hasn't played in a while, but he
wants to get back into competitive golf and nowhe's out there playing against the old guys and
Shooter McGavin is like on top of the ChampionsTour.
Yeah, and he has to go take him down one lastfinal time, you know, like that's the storyline

(01:13:49):
I really wanted, but
that's romantic right there.
Would have been so good, but it doesn't looklike they went that route.
So I don't really know what the storyline'slooking like, but we'll see.
Is the dude that was gonna jump in on that?
Happy calls out Bernard for anchoring.
Movie.
Is Mr.
Larson in it?
Did he die?

(01:14:10):
The guy that got the nail in his head?
Is he still around?
There's no way that guy's still around.
Can't be, can't be right.
He's like nine foot three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're that big, you got a short lifespan.
Yeah.
Strange.
You think if you're huge, you should liveforever.
I mean, does he hit the long ball still?
Does Happy still hit it long?

(01:14:31):
I believe so.
Well, I guess in the trailer, he says, like,everyone hits it long now.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah.
So so, you know, it's just I just got ashuffler's in it, you know, JT's in there.
Think it's like, it's now now it goes into therealm of like it's a little less believable.

(01:14:54):
Saying the first movie was like absolutely outof fiction.
Like it was very
fictional.
But very realistic.
The first Yeah.
I thought that that absolutely could happen.
The camera footage of Happy's ball making jetsounds flying over entire states on its way to
the green.

(01:15:15):
My favorite part about Happy Gilmore one waslike, would use the same cut of like the same
hole, but it
would be
like, we're all asleep.
That's what I'm saying.
So good.
So good.
So her research analyst just dropped it inhere.
Big dude died in 2014.
RIP, Mr.
Larson.
I wonder if they buried him with a nail in hishead.

(01:15:35):
I wonder if they put the same nail in thecoffin.
And was, you know, Sandler there?
Who knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens.
I don't know.
I hope that they bring back the putting course.
That was really cool where he's or, you know, Iwonder what his happy place is gonna look like
this time.
I hope he visits like Chubbs' grave orsomething, you know, like pay homage to Chubbs.

(01:15:57):
Yeah.
And Grandma.
The gator.
The gator.
I hope that he made it into a head cover.
I wonder if Paige is what pops up in his happyplace this time.
Like, I wonder.
Don't know.
That could be nice.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I think he's still married to, what's her name?

(01:16:19):
To the blonde that he met in the first one,right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's not in this, though.
Yeah.
She is.
Yes.
Is.
The original?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's been in a bunch of his Happy Madisonfilms too.
Okay.
As of late.
She was in, like, Hubie Halloween.
She became his girlfriend in that one.
I don't know if you ever watched that movie.
Fucking fantastic.
Well, it's like my Hubie Halloween.
It's my favorite Halloween movie of all time.

(01:16:40):
It's an Adam Sandler movie.
So good.
It's so good.
You might turn that on tonight.
You have to watch it.
He gives his grandma in the movie a shirt, andit says boner donor, and she just wears it
around.
So it's a great it's a great Halloween movie.
But Ben Stiller's reprising his role, right, asthe Yeah.

(01:17:04):
And watch Hubie Halloween.
Ben Stiller plays the same role he played inthe original in Happy Gilmore.
He's in Hubie Halloween as the same guy.
It's actually kind of funny.
Question for you.
Not to hijack the happy feed here, but best BenStiller character in a movie.
Go.

(01:17:25):
I
know what mine is.
I'm going Dodgeball.
Very similar to that, but I'm going to go withOh,
I'm going Heavyweights.
Heavyweights.
That's what I was gonna say.
Uncle Tony.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Skinny Tony.
He was scary.
He scared the shit out of me when I was little.
Oh.
Like, he, like, freaked me out, dude.
And I also like him in Anchorman in the verysmall part that he has.

(01:17:48):
He's the Latin news guy when they all come tothe rumble.
Is Rob
is Rob Schneider in this?
I don't know.
Oh, I wonder if it I wonder if it's Caddy, theguy from Grayboth Boy.
That's John what the What the hell is his name?
We're gonna be talking about this every weekuntil July 25, which apparently is the release

(01:18:10):
date for this.
So, Matt, what we're talking about doing theother night is having, we should maybe do a pod
around it, something like that, but we gosimulator, whatever, and throw it on.
It's on Netflix, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, we do like a watch party live.
I like that.
Play some golf, you know, qualify for the TGL.

(01:18:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really get that going.
Now, Coach, have you, have you seen this?
This is where we're this our final kinda adread for the evening, before we hop off here.
So I'm just gonna go ahead and play it ifthat's okay with everybody.

(01:19:20):
That fucking sunny?
Yeah.
I forgot that we're big on the we we gotreleased in Korea.
So talk to her
about the internet.
We we gotta
play it again.
Hold on.
Yeah.
One more.
One more.
One more.
One more time.

(01:19:41):
One more time for all the people.
Here we go.
One more time.

(01:20:21):
They said diabetic golf.
Like, when it first starts, it sounds likediabetic golf.
Good.
Oh, god.
Oh.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm buying whatever you boys are selling.
Tamagotchi.

(01:20:41):
Tamagotchi.
God.
That's good.
Man.
That's my favorite. And,
my favorite. And, yeah.
So we're gonna go over to Korea probablysometime soon.
Oh.
And it's recorded episode since we speak itfluently now.
Tamagotchi.
Tamagotchi.
Good.

(01:21:02):
Yeah.
Great.
Every time Buttsy comes on, which by the way,they replicated our voices in Korean.
So, like, they used AI to take our actualvoices.
And I'm just like, when I heard it for thefirst time, go, Buttsy, you you gotta listen to
yourself.
Is absolutely incredible.

(01:21:24):
That's fantastic.
So I'm glad you're here.
I'm still waiting to hear from Si Woo Kim or,you know, Sungjae just to see, like, if they
like the show, but yeah.
Provide some feedback.
That'd be great.
Very good.
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Buttsy and I know him well as Mike Lenny orFairway Jesus.

(01:22:07):
So Oh, yeah.
Runs the skins games out here in Arizona.
Just a copper pot.
That's gonna be, that's gonna be a fun episodegoing from homeless to running two of the
biggest games in Arizona.
So looking forward to that, but we do want tosay thank you to our special guest Coach Rusty
tonight.
You are awesome.
Love, love the opinions you brought to thetable too.

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Like, you did not shy away at all.
I mean, we absolutely loved it, and that's whatwe love on this show.
Awesome.
Well, yeah, I appreciate you having me.
It's a great show.
It's a great setup you guys got here.
Gotta say top.
I think I don't want to say top three.
I think it was my top number one experience ona podcast thus far.

(01:22:52):
I've done quite a few of them.
This was damn well put together.
Great conversation.
You got two amazing hosts here, and I will besure to tune in to all the ones in the future.
Tom Aga.
Awesome.
Tom Agaci.
Tomagotchi.
Cheers, everybody.
Please give me a clip of myself in.
Oh, we have to.

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It's the only deliverable I need from this.