Grass League Insights and LIV Golf Dynamics

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Welcome back everybody to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got the BTSI.
We've got well, I'm I'm gonna let him roll.
That guy, he loves the Buttsy.
We've also got our tour insider back here,Mister Brent Grant, everybody.

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That guy loves Brent Grant as well.
Now we've crazy.
Yeah.
Guy is nuts.
I can't believe that he comes on every show.
But, absolutely love it.
We've got a great show.
So, we've got the tee off report with Buttsythat we're gonna be diving into.
We've got the TGL recap.
We've got the Grass League with our specialguest, Mister Todd Dobson.

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We're gonna break it all down.
We're gonna get into the Grass League.
We're gonna tell you why this thing is sofreaking awesome.
And then we've got the Cognizant Classic recapthat, really, it it affected Buttsy.
And I saw on Instagram, it really had an effecton you, bud, and we're gonna get into all of

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that, don't you worry, with your best friend,Jake Knapp.
And then we've got the upcoming Arnold PalmerInvitational.
It's a signature series event.
Can't wait for that.
We've got Bryson and Brooks update as well.
I was mentioning in this pre-preshow that,we've got a source over on the LIV side.

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And that source, we have some insiderinformation around everything there.
So, everything from the Mirror UK, rebuttal asan article all the way through to a couple
little things about Bryson that you might besurprised to hear about.
So we'll get into that at the very end.

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Alright.
Let's get into our first topic of the night,the tee-off report with Buttsy.

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Now, Buttsy, I've seen you play.
Real quick.
We gotta just Oh.
Beep off.
That's the windbreaker, Bob.
It is.
Alright.
Look at the back.
Keep walking.
Oh.
Keep walking.
Little windbreaker.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Tee-off report with me.

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You ready for the tee-off report with Buttsy?
Here we go.
Buttsy, I've seen you play a lot of golf, myfriend.
What do you do on a tight hole that youshouldn't hit driver on?
I'm a head case, right?
So I'm just gonna probably hit driver on thathole.

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And the reason being, if I walk up to the teewith a four iron or a three-wood or a hybrid or
whatever your less-than-driver club is, I'mgonna be so in my own head that now I should
absolutely have to hit the fairway with thisclub, then I'm gonna miss probably worse with
it.
So I'm just gonna hit the driver and take mychances, and that's kinda yeah.

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Because I've done that in the past where I tryto play smart, and the three-wood goes farther
out of bounds than the driver, and muchshorter.
So, yeah, I'm hitting the big dog.
of the time, it works every time.
Yeah.
Thirty-two percent, actually.
So
Which is awesome for you.

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Absolutely great stuff.
I mean, I probably would take a four iron, butI have seen you on some tight par fours,
especially up at Chaparral Pines.
I mean, my god.
You are a ripping driver.
Just ripping.
Just hitting the big dog.
Yeah.
Let it eat.
Let it eat.
Yep.
There you go.
Is that your advice to all amateur golfers outthere?

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If you get to a tight par four, just whip outyour driver and show them how big your dog is.
Yeah.
I'd probably just tell them you gotta eat, andthen maybe later in life, they figure out what
that means outside of just consuming food.
You gotta eat.
You gotta love that.
You gotta eat.
You gotta eat.
Gotta eat.
Yeah.

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Man.
Oh, man.
Alright.
Good stuff, man.
Let's move on.
Thanks.
Let's move it right into the TGL recap becauseyesterday, we had a doubleheader.
So we had New York Golf Club versus BostonCommon, and this is why you do territories for
teams.
Not only because you can invite celebrities andpast athletes out to the games, but they had

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Derek Jeter for the New York Golf Club.
They had David Ortiz for the Boston Common GolfClub, and those guys were chirping at each
other just like they do on Fox Sports with thewhole baseball broadcast.
But my goodness gracious, it was actually apretty epic match between the two.
I don't know if you guys got a chance to seeit, but it really came down.

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It was a back-and-forth match, came down to thelast two holes.
And then, New York Golf Club ultimately took itover on really the last hole because on the
second to last, Boston Common Golf was downtwo.
Rickie Fowler gets up, absolutely pins one toabout two feet.

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Then all of a sudden, you get Keegan Bradleycomes up.
And sure enough, Keegan Bradley sticks it andalmost holes it.
So you had a hell of a match, and then it camedown to the last.
Of course, Boston Common had to throw thathammer.
They threw it so that the other team, New YorkGolf Club, couldn't decline it.

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And sure enough, it did not work out as NewYork Golf Club won that hole and ended up
winning the match 10 to 6.
That was the finale there.
And then you also yesterday had the first-placematchup.
So this was for first place in the regularseason.
It was between LAGC and the Bay Club.
So you basically had Collin Morikawa going upagainst Wyndham Clark.

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Those were the two faces for both of those.
And sure enough, LAGC came back for the secondstraight match.
They came back the week before.
They came back again, and they ended up winning5 to 3 over the Bay Club.
We also, tonight, had Jupiter Lynx and AtlantaDrive.
And I'm gonna tell you right now, good oldTiger Woods is not playing too hot because he

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was not happy with his game tonight.
He was called, man, I don't know how I'mhitting it that far.
Well, you know, Tiger, you're getting a littlebit of rust going on here and, you know,
hopefully we see Tiger at some point doing histhing and come back into the whole entire
ordeal with a little bit of game next year.

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But we had Jupiter Lynx versus Atlanta Drive,and Atlanta Drive dominated.
So I don't know what the exact score ended upbeing, but it was nine to one the last time
that I checked in on that match.
So Tiger, Tom Kim, and Nick Dunlap was actuallyfilling in for Atlanta Drive for Justin Thomas.
Nick Dunlap was doing pretty good out there aswell.

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So the matches have gotten better.
These guys and the one thing tonight that Iwill just mention in regards to the technology
is that Tiger started noticing that if he hitsit too high into the screen, the tech can't
quite read it as well, and it goes a little bittoo far.
So that might be why Tiger's shots, which I'vetold you, there's nuances to technology.

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If you get to the outer extremities of whatthey're actually tracking, that can become
problematic.
So it could be potentially that Tiger justfound out where he cannot hit the golf ball.
So, needless to say, it was a successful coupleof days for the TGL.
And here's the thing.

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The TGL, what they got right in this entirething is, first of all, the regular season
mattered.
It's not like LIV Golf to where you don't havea regular season.
You basically, LIV Golf has individual golftournaments.
K?
TGL, you actually have a regular season, andtwo teams do not make it to the playoffs
because there's only six teams.

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Four teams end up proceeding to the playoffswhich are gonna happen after the Players
Championship.
Now, with that, territories also helped reallybuild the local fan bases for all of these
teams.
You also and by the way, you can play off ofthose based off of other sports, like we saw
with Boston Common and New York Golf Club, theBay Club, Atlanta Drive always comes in with

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their Dominique Wilkins Hawks jerseys.
Like, it's a cool feature to it and somethingthat I think was missed out by the LIV Golf
side.
And then we've got the team match play aspect,which I love.
I know there's a lot of people out there thatdon't necessarily love match play events
because they can be a little bit slow, but forTGL, it absolutely works.

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The jury's still out on the alternate shotformat, but it's definitely grown on me.
And then, for the playoffs, by the way.
So we got LAGC going up against New York GolfClub.
We've also got the Bay Club going up againstAtlanta Drive GC.
And then we've got the semifinals, our singleelimination, and then the finals are best of

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three.
So this is gonna be interesting in two weeks tosee who prevails as the SoFi TGL champion in
the inaugural season of the TGL.
Got a little comment here from Austin.
I've seen a few Jupiter Lynx hats here inFlorida recently.
There you go.

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So, certainly, they are representing out there,and, I believe it is time.
Our special guest has arrived, and we're righton time in terms of this next segment that we
have.
So we're gonna say goodbye to Brent Grant for amoment.
Brent, hang on with us.
We're gonna be bringing on here Mr.

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Todd Dobson.
Todd, are you there, bud?
Can you hear me?
This is pretty high-tech.
Oh my god.
Todd is here, folks.
An avatar?
It's his avatar.
Todd, you got a camera?
No.
You're just down to call in tonight.
Job just to call in.
I'm, like I said, it's date night with Mrs.
Dobson.
We're on Hole 12 right now.

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I got about a 20-footer for birdie out on thegolf course.
You know, unlike the TGL, we play on real grasswith no roofs, no screens.
It's the real deal out here.
It is the real deal, and you're out there atgood old GrassClippings playing under the
lights, date night with the wife, which isphenomenal stuff.

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It's actually my anniversary tonight as well.
So after this show, I've got to make good on mywhole situation, so I feel for you there, Todd.
Now, Todd, the first question we've got for youhere is we really want to get the audience to
know the grass league, and we want to get themto know it through your words.
So in your own words, tell us, what is thegrass league?

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Well, just making sure you can hear me.
Oh, yeah.
Loud and clear.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you know, golf is no differentthan football in the sense that there should be
this camaraderie and everything.
You know, you go to Texas and you watch highschool football, the town shuts down for it.
And those are all amateur football playersgoing.

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Just missed the birdie putt.
Sorry.
And, you know, the town shuts down.
But in golf, it's the PGA Tour or bust, andit's the 1% of the 1% of golfers.
And the founders of GrassClippings, there'sfour of them, played in this golf tournament
called the Resorters in Minnesota, and it'smuch like what you would think of high school

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football.
The town shuts down in Alexandria, Minnesota,for the Resorters, and there's something you
can't describe that is a part of that golftournament.
It's not it's tangible, yet it's elusive.
And we thought to ourselves, you know, we needto bring this back to Arizona.
This is the hub of golf in Arizona, and, youknow, the one tournament that everyone can
agree upon is the Phoenix Open.

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Again, the 1% of the 1% of golfers.
And we wanted to create this atmosphere where,you know, guys like Buttsy just haven't had the
shot that he deserves in the limelight, createthat moment.
So we created the Grass Clippings Open back inFebruary 2019.
Two-man scramble, par-3 golf course.

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And what we found with that is, shit, you know,everyone at least psychologically feels like
they can compete in that format.
But at the end of the day, it's probably gonnatake some really, really good golfers to win
that tournament.
Big golf.
But it brings everybody to the table.
Everybody to the table, everyone walks outthere like they're walking into a high school

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football stadium.
And it's something that, you know, we are allabout.
And we're trying to find, you know, my partnershate when I say this, but as Herb Brooks says,
we're not looking for the best ones.
We're looking for the right ones.
So we created the Grass League in conjunctionwith taking over Grass Clippings Rolling Hills,
putting lights up, converting the nighttimeplay to a par-3 golf course.

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And then, if you've ever been to a golfCalcutta where big money guys come in and buy
players because they believe in those players.
Or if you go back to, like, the foundation ofgolf, guys would come over on wooden ships and,
you know, some guy with a bunch of money wouldhave his player, his horse play against, you
know, the guy in America or vice versa.

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Yeah.
And there's something to that, and it's so coolto think about.
And so when we talk about selling thesefranchises, we didn't go out and sell them to
Arthur Blank, Steven Cohen, and all of thatstuff.
Like, let's get a little gritty here.
So we got Dave Roberts.
Wyndham Clark came to the table.
Good Good Golf.

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You know, Mardy Fish and Adam Thielen and JohnMallinger.
Like, these are people that, like, you know,maybe they don't have $7 billion and run some
kind of fund in New York.
It's real personal gritty stuff.
And those guys, like, a Dave Roberts is like,you know what?
Here's my golf team.

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These are my guys, and I think they can win thegolf tournament.
There's something to that.
It brings you back to the foundation of golf.
And so to answer your question, the grassleague is a par-3 lighted golf league that is
in its infancy stages.
You know, we've been saying that we just gottaget through season one, and that was 2024.
And now we're going into 2025 with momentum,with NBC behind us.

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And there's a lot to come.
We're about to sell two to three more teamsmost likely before this next event with some
pretty interesting names.
So there'll be a little buzz around that.
And, you know, ownership is looking.
You know, the teams that didn't have greatseasons last year are actively looking for
players.

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Like, for instance, you know, on Sunday, theCanada Hatcher had a tough 2024 season.
They had 11 guys show up on Saturday for whatthey called a tryout, with the owners walking
behind them, talking to the players, watchingthem hit their shots.
You know, and when you think about golf, wheredo you get that?

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You know?
Where do you get that?
And these guys are sitting there from all walksof life, guys that are, you know, flying out
this weekend to go to some Monday in, you know,Colombia or something, all trying to get a shot
on one of these teams.
So it's something really, really, reallyunique.
And not to take away from, you know, the TGL orthe PGA Tour or the LIV Tour, but it's like, at

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the end of the day, I mean, I would argue thatButtsy is one of the most interesting golfers
out there.
You know what I mean?
He's much more interesting than a PatrickCantlay or an Alex Noren or, you know,
Sebastián Muñoz.
Name any golfer out there.
I probably would rather watch Josh, you know,Buttsy play.
Think about Tommy Two Gloves.

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Think about the guys like Nick Mason who playedour last event.
These guys have played for their car for thepink slip and actually lost.
And why are those stories not being told?
And so we want to bring that into the lightsimultaneously and sorry to go on such a
long-winded tangent.
I love it.
Keep it going.
But if you look back in the history of golf,and I think you'd appreciate this, you know, I

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think it was 1983 at Desert Highlands was themost watched broadcast second to the Sunday at
Augusta was a skins game between Jack Nicklaus,Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and famously hold
on one sec.
I got an 8-iron in my hand on 13.
It's probably too much fun.
The phone by the golf shot.

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I want to hear the impact.
It's in my pocket.
You'll be able to hear it.
Oh, wonderful.
Oh, beautiful.
Oh, it sounded like a little click.
Oh.
Wow.
Supermarket one hot at the hole and over thegreen.
That's but the point is, it was Gary Player whowas hyperventilating on the 18th hole.

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And the reason he was hyperventilating isbecause he stood to make more money on that
last 18th hole than he was gonna make on theentire season on the PGA Tour.
Oh, God.
And so the takeaway from that is what peoplewant to watch is good golf with high stakes.
And so everyone goes, oh, par-3 golf, highstakes.
What the hell are these guys talking about?

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It's like, again, I think I alluded to it whenI hijacked you guys' podcast that one night
with Mrs.
Dawson.
The next meeting was high stakes is differentfor everybody.
And we learned that when the LIV tour guyshowed up.
It wasn't about money that night.
It was about reputation.
Yeah.
And so the point is we think, you know, a lotof networks and entities have gone and tried

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thinking, oh, if we just get Tom Brady and KlayThompson to play, millions of people will
watch.
Well, what you find out pretty quickly isnobody wants to watch shitty golf.
Like, at the end of the day, no one wants towatch Klay Thompson shank a golf ball.
They don't wanna watch Condoleezza Rice.
They don't wanna watch Vladimir Putin, MichaelJordan, anybody shank a golf ball.
They wanna watch good golf.

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And if they happen to be good personalities,that's just that that's where the secret sauce
is.
So we thought to ourselves, why don't we takethat same model and make those people owners
and have those guys go out and say, hey.
I'm looking for the Dave Roberts go.
I'm looking for the best four players in LosAngeles to come play in my golf tournament.
Eight players, whatever it is.
I mean, that'll get me going.

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That'll get a lot of people going.
So we we're trying to take that model insteadof, you know, and again, that that story from
the skins game went on to famously as the LATimes wrote, Tiger Woods killed the skins game
because there was no amount of money that youcould you could write it you could put in the
pot, in the purse to get his heart going on aexhibition match.

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And so when all these conversations about moneywith the LIV tour, people don't realize is you
can't buy golf.
You can't buy golf.
It's gotta be romantic.
It's gotta be authentic.
And, again, that's my concern with the TGL isthere's so much corporate funds involved in
that that at some point, you're like, okay.
Who gives a rip if Rory McIlroy wins another$10 million in an indoor facility in Jupiter,

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Florida?
Right.
So there's a lot of nuance to this, and we'revery cognizant of all of those factors.
It's pretty interesting that you talk about itbecause the one thing you brought up is the
romance around golf and around this league andthe authenticity behind it because there's
nothing more real than what you guys are doingover there with the Grass League and grass

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clippings in general.
There's a real vibe that's going on over therewhich is phenomenal.
I've experienced it.
No Buttsy has experienced it, and it issomething that we are big fans of, and we're
gonna be talking about it throughout because welove that not only are you guys here locally,
and, you know, we've come over and played somegolf over there, but, would love to see where

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this all leads to.
And if we can be a help in any way.
By far, we would love to be a part of anythingyou guys got going on.
Now as we talk about helping, the first yearwas a huge success.
You had TV coverage with NBC.
I remember seeing it on Peacock, and sureenough, you've got teams that are involved as

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you were mentioning.
But tell us about this open qualifier.
This is the big event that is coming up in Maythat, I believe the deadline is in April.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
The rosters come due April 1.
And so we spent a lot of money in the earlyparts with lawyer fees modeling the league

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after professional sports leagues.
And we took the approach the same way as youknow, how does the MLB stay in the limelight or
stay in the news cycle every year when they'renot even playing?
It's, you know, free agency, things like that.
So we have a free agency period, and, you know,you have teams like the Hatcher out here on a

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Sunday getting all these, you know, LatinAmerican tour players, a shot at a tryout.
Let's go.
That's a hell of an up and down, Mr.
Dobson.
Let's go.
So let's go.
Yes, Dobson.
But, but, so sorry.
I'm not.
April 1, all of the teams or franchises willput up five two-man teams, and one of those

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will be benched.
It's an ace in the hole for the final event.
So as you know, a lot of the guys won't be ableto make that event because of other prior
engagements they've agreed to.
So knowing that, teams are gonna roster thoseplayers and keep them for the end of the
season.
And so for the Grass Clippings Open, thesefranchises will come into the event with four

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two-man teams that are
And however they came about to find these guys,and again, you know, it's a survival of the
fittest.
You know, these owners want to win for amultitude of reasons.
So, you know, the cream rises to the top.
They're incentivized to win and put the guys upthere.

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Also, we want this to not be some, you know,some secret boys' club where it's like, oh,
yeah.
It's so-and-so owns this team, and I can neverget on that team.
So there's the blend of the two.
And equally as important is a lot of theseowners are like, shit.
We got boat-raced last year.
How do we find some players?
Like, help us out here.
So we have this open qualifier, and there'sanywhere from 90 to 100 teams.

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And I think we've sold out essentially.
There's 95 teams in the qualifier as we speak.
And what happens is the top, you know, as ourteams filter, purchase into the league, that
number will grow, but there'd be, like so sayit's 25, 26 teams get through the qualifier.

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They go into a draft eligible pool, much likethe MLB draft, NBA draft, they're the college
players, if you will.
And that's on Wednesday, April 30.
It's gonna be like, you know, the U.S.
Open qualifying, but on a par-three course.
Two-man scramble, get your best buddy that youplay golf with and go give it a run.
You get through the following day and night isdraft day.

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And so what that's gonna be is an all-daypractice round.
You know, show up at 7 a.m.
You can play 300 holes to your heart's content.
At 7 p.m.
on the event line at Graston and DrillingHills, we're gonna have a stage for, you know,
if U2 was gonna come here and play a concert,that's what you'd see.
Okay?
And then we're gonna have, depending on thenumber of franchises, we're gonna have 12 to 13

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tables like you'd see at the NFL draft or theNBA draft and one team representative with a
headset that's making picks.
And it's gonna say, you know, and then whoeverthe celebrity host is or whatever that is, is
gonna walk up the stage and say, with the firstpick in the 2025 GL draft, the Dallas Horsemen
select, let's see and partner.

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That's, I mean, and if you think about what'sgoing on in golf, that doesn't exist.
No.
That's cool.
Again, again, a huge miss.
I don't think what TGL is doing for the game isgreat.
It's, you need to watch golf on Monday andTuesday nights.
But, again, why wasn't there a draft?
Why wasn't there X, Y, and Z?
Why is it we don't know anything about whatthey're doing?

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It's like, why did Arthur Blank buy a team?
What the hell?
Yeah.
They just looked for the richest guy that ownsa team to throw them in there.
And so it's disingenuous to the fan, and itdoesn't come off as authentic.
And so, you know, with authenticity comes whatyou got here.
It's, you know, it's a labor of love.
Nothing's perfect, but none of us who startedthis are Arthur Blank.

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I'll tell you that much.
I don't know about that.
I kid.
I kid.
No.
What you've done is absolutely incredible.
And one of the coolest things that I've seenfrom you guys beyond this open qualifier, this
draft that you're gonna be doing because that'sgonna be for the first time that we've ever
seen that.

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But the other side to it is this interleagueplay that you had.
It's the first time I believe we've ever seentwo leagues come together and actually put on
an exhibition match between the Ironheads.
And then on the other side, we had theMinnesota Muskies.
Is that right?
Correct.
Tell us a little bit about that and how thatcame about.

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Yeah.
So it's funny because the LIV tour obviouslyhad the event under the lights.
And one of the agents who represents severalteams and players, yada yada yada, reached out
and said, hey.
The Ironheads are in town.
They'd love to practice and get some reps in.
They they'd like to and and, again, you couldtalk shit about the the lift tour and Kevin Na

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and all that stuff.
That guy I has the most amount I have the mostamount of respect for Kevin Na.
He said, let's take on the Minnesota Muskies,in in a match.
And little did he know that the MinnesotaMuskies have a guy like Drew Kittleson who
actually got second at the US AM, and he lostto his his teammate on the Ironheads, Danny

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Lee.
And so he showed like, so once they agreed toit, I was like, holy smokes.
Again, high stakes.
They played $10,000, $30,000, but who gives ashit at that point?
Yeah.
Everyone there is worth plenty of money.
Pride.
And I was like, this is how you get better atsports is, you gotta be willing to lose and put
yourself out there.
So I have all the credit in the world, but itgoes back to, like, this is what golf's missing

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is, like, these types of matches.
These types of real offensive golf matcheswhere it's not, like even, you know, even at,
like, PGA Tour events and Rory McIlroy showsup, is he 100% there?
You know, he just made $25 million in some, youknow, Whoop contract.
They got equity from the PGA Tour.

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Does he really care?
He's gonna finish top 10.
Where is it where the guys have an ass you havea fire lit under their ass?
You know, where they if they lose, there's somekind of consequence.
And money has become this distant figure thatdoesn't matter to a lot of people.
So that's the beauty of this.
And when you talk about interleague, you know,we're gonna continue to do these matches.

(29:19):
We're starting out one a month.
We don't want to get over our skis and promisetoo much, but we're gonna do one a month.
And typically, at least one of the teams has tobe a Grassland team.
So if the LIV, they've already expressedinterest about another match with other teams,
which we would love to do.
We might do—we did one in February that shouldbe dropping not on our channel, but on

(29:42):
GoodGood's channel, between GoodGood andPhoenix United.
We have a
very good channel.
We're not only interleague.
Hang on.
Breaking news here, folks.
Not only interleague here, we've also gotinfluencers going up against the Grass League
teams.
Wait.
No.
No.
But GoodGood owns the Dallas team.

(30:03):
Oh, that's right.
But have they
Be careful when you say influencer because BradDalke is a plus six who won an African
championship at Oklahoma.
So, you know, and his partner Sam Walsh was atfinal stage at Korn Ferry.
So it's like, okay.
Oh, shit.
You know, there's two definitions ofinfluencers.
Much different.
You know?
You could say Rory Backer is an influencer.

(30:23):
You know, he's got a million followers probablyon some channel.
Dude, my wife can swing a golf club, folks.
She hit driver on 14.
But, see, I got a six, star one ninety-nine.
I'm gonna give you six iron.
One eighty?
What is it?
It's one ninety-nine that's showing on the

(30:44):
You've hit
Is that too much?
Too little?
Is that enough?
I mean, I get a little jacked up when I playwith my wife.
So
Yeah.
I mean, well, don't we all?
Not your wife, but yeah.
Sorry.
That got weird.
Yeah.
Hey.
What time tomorrow can I lock this?

(31:06):
I wanted to out you right here.
What time?
6:00.
What time?
6:00.
Six o'clock sharp.
Okay.
Mark that.
I just told my I just told Mrs.
Dobson she wasn't happy about it, but we gotthe hall pass.
I could hear her turn around.
Yeah.
She was not drunk.

(31:28):
But back to what we were saying, yeah.
About these, you know, we're in our infancystage, and to think that we're gonna have, you
know, 15 events across the world in year two isjust not feasible, especially when there's only
so many lighted golf courses around the world.
You know?
We're one of 20 in America.
And of those 20, there's literally, like, fourthat might constitute a bill as a lighted golf

(31:53):
course, because of how far lighting technologyhas come.
And then a lot of them are just, like, sixholes, 10 holes, 12 holes.
Great shot, babe.
And so what we're doing is, you know, we'redoing three events this summer or this year.
We're doing one in April 30 is the kickoff, andthen we're gonna do one this summer, on the

(32:16):
road because the weather isn't perfect here.
And the location is between two places I can'tdisclose yet, and then we're coming back here
for December for the championship.
But in the interim, in between is we're gonnado matches on YouTube.
Maybe with this whole StreamYard TGL thing yougot going on on our phone, we could do a live
stream.

(32:36):
Yeah.
But, you know, we have a very interesting matchnext week, finalizing the night, but it's
between two guys affiliated with franchises inthe Grass League that they also play in Major

(32:57):
League Baseball at a high level, at a very,very high level.
And I'd say one of them is a first-ballot Hallof Famer.
Oh, fuck.
And a very good golfer.
And so we're gonna do that next week.
And then the following two or three weeks fromthere, we have, I don't know if you listen to
Grass League news, but Mr.

(33:18):
Ladd or whatnot, Ryan Ruffles has said he wantsto play in a match against another franchise.
We're working out the other side of that.
So the idea is between these tournaments, we'regonna have these matches where it's, you know,
hark back to the days of the early 1900s, theold 1800s when guys with names that we can only

(33:39):
find in, like, dusty dusty books in a library.
It's the same mentality.
Send your best, and we might be playing for abunch of money, but at the end of the day,
we're playing for reputation.
It's like it's like Field of Dreams of golf,dude.
Like, it's it's so sick.
percent.
And, and that was I mean, we we like to quotethat and not to be cheesy when you say that,

(34:01):
but it's like, you know, a lot of people saythey're gonna do X, Y, and Z, but we we had
this idea, you know, brewing for a while, andit took us three years to three three and a
half years to get to this point.
But at the end of the day, it's like, if youbuild it, they they they should come.
They I don't wanna say they will, but theyshould come if you do the right things and you
have the right ethos and you have the rightmission at heart.

(34:25):
If you build it, they should they should come.
Granted, we're not in the cornfield in Iowa,but,
to
some degree, that's yeah.
Close enough.
Wow.
There
are, man.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
We got a lot of a lot of good matches comingup, a lot of interest.
And the really cool part is, you know, if if ifRory McIlroy were to be playing with Scottie

(34:49):
Scheffler and Xander Schauffele and PatrickCantlay in the grass league three years from
now on NBC.
In my opinion, again, I don't speak foreveryone.
Go in.
They I think we failed.
What we're looking for are the Tommy Two Glovesof the world.
You know, the the guy the journeyman, the theguys that can play at a at at the highest of

(35:10):
levels, and their stories are more compellingthan the the top 1% of golfers.
Heartstrings.
The heartstrings?
Yeah.
Like, pulling on the heartstrings.
Like, you tell the guy's story and people areimmediately you know?
Like you said, it's it's romantic.
Like, that's awesome.

(35:30):
Well, I mean, I'm out here playing golf with mywife at, what is it, almost 8 p.m., and we've
never been this much in love our wholemarriage.
So, you know, stuck to that.
There certainly is.
Now, Todd, the only thing that I've really gotleft here is around the players.
Alright?
So, a league is only as good as its players ina lot of ways because you wanna be that

(35:58):
authentic, that league that, you know, isn'tnecessarily how do you put it?
The Rory McIlroys, the Scottie Schefflers.
You're looking at the guys with the storybehind them and everything, the grittiness
behind the league and whatnot.
But tell us about the type of players that yousee in the grass league and who should we look

(36:19):
out for?
It's not a silver spoon.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of nuance to that in thesense that, again, back to what Buttsy was
saying is, like, the heartstrings of stories.
A league is only as good as the story that'stold about their main players.
Yeah.
Again, there's a guy that plays for the Angelsthat's one of the best baseball players of all

(36:43):
time that no one's really known about in thecontext of the last however many years of
baseball because they haven't been a good teamand hasn't been the best marketing behind that
player.
And so it's a combination of things.
In my opinion, I think, but he could be themost famous golfer in the world.
If someone got behind him and told the storycorrectly.

(37:06):
Why not?
Yeah.
No.
If you look at YouTube golf, you look at allthese different things, it's like people are
looking for something that's relatable, thatthey like, that's authentic and genuine.
And that's why everyone's like, oh, thedeclining numbers on the PGA Tour, the LIV Tour
is because of, you know, satellites in Russiaand Starlink and TGL.

(37:31):
It's like, no, dude.
They don't want to watch a guy that got paid$700 million to go play a sport for $30 million
every weekend.
You've lost my interest.
The guy has nothing to gain.
What are we talking about?
So at the end of the day, I agree with you.
You have leagues as only good as your players.
I'd argue your league is as only good as yourstories.

(37:52):
And I'll tell you one thing.
In year one, goddamn did we have a lot of goodstories.
You fucking kidding me?
Sorry to cuss on this.
I don't know what.
It's unfiltered, Todd.
Here.
What the fuck?
Fucking A, Todd.
Now we gotta edit.
Jesus Christ.
I get a little passionate.
Sorry about that.
No.
You're good.
It's an unfiltered golf podcast.
Yeah.

(38:12):
Profanity is encouraged.
But at the end of the day, it's like, you know,the world has been exposed to less than 1% of
the fish in the sea.
Okay?
There's some probably banged up stories aboutsome pretty big tuna out there that never got
the limelight.
And there's some big, big tuna out there.
And our mission is to uncover those guys, putthem in the most high-leverage situations on

(38:39):
national television under the lights.
And, again, there's a difference between TGLand this.
And, again, love what TGL is doing.
Don't get me wrong.
Don't take this the wrong way.
You know, we are completely different products,completely different products.
One of their players is an owner in our league.
Believe me.
I watched the TGL.
I can see it's gonna have a lot of success.

(39:04):
But when the lights come on, when the reallights come on, not manufactured lights.
Granted, that may not make sense becausethere's power running into these poles, but
it's like the Staples Center out here.
I know
what you mean.
When the lights come on, the stage gets bigger,the moment gets bigger, and that's what we're
creating for the players that we feel deservethat stage.

(39:29):
And we're excited to see them excel on thatstage.
Again, the guys that won the tournament inDecember, Billy Haines and Dan Buckner.
Dan Buckner played, what, eight years on theKorn Ferry Tour, never broke through.
There are articles of him saying he gave up thegame.
He just lost the love of it, and then he foundit again as an amateur playing and winning some

(39:52):
tournament in California.
And he said after the broadcast, like, this isthe most fun I've ever had on a golf course.
He's like, I feel alive again.
I feel like my connection to golf is back.
And Billy Haines is a journeyman amateur playerwho's won the New York State Open or Amateur
Open up in New York several times.

(40:12):
He's a well-known name amongst, you know,amateurs up in New York, and he's, for the most
part, unknown to everybody.
But that guy, the guy's got a hell of a story,and he's a crazy dude.
And they win this tournament out of nowhere,and they found life again.
And I said it on the broadcast, to be youngagain.

(40:34):
And they couldn't be more energized to come outfor this next one.
So, you know, as much as you wanna say PGATour, LIV Tour, the TGL is growing the game,
what does that even freaking mean at the end ofthe day?
Grow what are you talking about?
Just because a bunch of people huddle up arounda television and watch whatever we're watching,

(40:54):
call it, you know, the LIV tour or TGL or PGATour, doesn't mean those guys are gonna pick up
sticks.
We're saying, imagine if there's a kid sittingin LA, and he's looking at a baseball bat, a
basketball, and a golf club.
And a tweet comes out from Dave Roberts saying,I'm looking for, I'm not looking for the best
ones.
I'm looking for the right ones.
The best amateur golfers or best pro golfers,whatever you wanna call it.

(41:16):
That's a whole another discussion.
I mean, my favorite thing about the league,dude, is you just you don't have to hit driver.
And I feel like I'd have a better record thanTiger in most of the tournaments I've played in
my life if you took driver out of it.
It's just par-threes out there, so I feel likeit might be the best in the world.
Well, and you hit it on it, but it's, like,when you really think about golf, the toughest

(41:41):
hole on a golf course is a par-three.
I mean, Bryson and Phil were just caught onYouTube saying that.
Like, if we could just
pick cars on the par three so, a, they're thetoughest on the golf course.
It takes the most skill.
And then at the end of the day, when you'velooked back at the history of golf, history of
golf broadcast, the greatest moments, the mostmemorable moments happen within 70, 150 yards

(42:04):
in end.
They all happen around greens, chipping putts,you know, feed the club today.
It's not you look back in the history of golf,top top 10 golf shots in the of all time.
You're not gonna say anybody holding a driver.
You might say Jean Van de Velde at the BritishOpen, but that's for all the wrong reasons.
And then maybe someone's gonna come out of thewoodwork, like, oh, Collin Morikawa with PGA.

(42:28):
Again, cool, dude.
Maybe one.
But the vast majority is a chip, a seven iron,a pitching wedge, a chip in, a putt.
Yeah.
That's like the the the Sports Illustratedcover of Phil Mickelson making the putt at the
Masters.
That's the answer.
No one's doing that on a on a tee box otherthan a par three tee box.

(42:50):
So we think it's the perfect blend between,just like you said, Buttsy, take the driver out
of the hand.
Tiger Woods, for the most part, could neverfind a fairway, but he won all the tournaments.
People forget about that.
And then throw in the two-man scramble, dude.
I mean, nothing fires me up more than being,like, you know, get your best bud that's also a

(43:11):
highly skilled golfer.
Let's go win the damn tournament.
That's that's the energy we need around thegame of golf.
Not this, like, lonely lonely sport whereyou're on a puddle jumper down in Colombia to
Chile trying to make $2,000 from the LatinAmerican Tour by yourself, and your girlfriend
leaves you when you're on the flight with nocell service.
Okay?

(43:32):
Let's let's let's actually tap into the thingsthat people actually want, both players and
fans.
So we're sticking to that thesis, sticking tothat recipe.
I'm ready to run through a fucking wall rightnow.
I'm not gonna lie.
Goddamn.
That's why you have a spot in the Grass
Woah.
Damn.
So we just got an audience question here byTrot Golfer that says, is Buttsy in the Grass

(43:57):
League?
We're gonna put you on the spot.
I can't say for certain how he's gonna getthere.
Again, part of the mystery.
I don't know if he's gonna go through thedraft, you know, just find something with an
owner.
But one way or another, Buttsy will have a longcareer on the grass.
I don't tell you that much.
Wild, man.
Or high water.

(44:17):
I'm gonna show up either way and play.
So
you know?
Six p.m.
sharp.
There you go.
Absolutely love it.
And, Todd, thank you so much for your time andtalking to us about the Grass League, man.
Get back to the missus and have yourself a restof a beautiful night out there at Grass
Clippings, my friend.
Hold on.
I'm in the pitch and wedge real quick.

(44:38):
One second.
It's all over.
I wish I could play in the Grass League, to behonest.
Todd makes a four-in-one on camera.
That would be unbelievable.
Wow.
He's such
a fucking foe.
You guys are awesome.
I really like your guys' podcast and big fans.

(44:58):
Thanks, dude.
We appreciate it.
Looking forward to tomorrow night.
We probably got some open spots if any otherbroadcasters on the other side of this video
screen wanna play as well.
So I'll leave you with that.
Wow.
Glad to be in.
Good night.
I will be there.
Peace.
Wow.
Let's bring Brent Grant back in here.

(45:20):
My goodness gracious.
To be honest, second cigar?
Did I just, did I unmute you?
Can't unmute your guest because they've mutedthemselves.
He's back.
He's back.
Buttsy's taken a lead.
But, actually, Buttsy might have to go drop aload.
He might have a little bit of nervous energyafter hearing about that.

(45:41):
Holy cow.
Brent, since it's just me and you right now,what do you think about that with Buttsy
potentially having a long career on the grassleague?
I mean, we said it from the beginning.
I mean, if anybody, if anybody even is in the,like, remotely the right mindset, they
understand what he brings to the table.

(46:03):
And, not only is he a world-class player, buthe's a world-class salesman, and he's a
world-class comedian.
So he's kind of the trifecta.
Jesus, you guys.
I'm fucking rocked
out tonight.
I think he'd make a really good, really goodaddition to anybody's team.
Oh,

(46:25):
man.
So, yeah, Buttsy, how you feeling after thatwhole, I feel like you just got pitched on
being a huge member of the grass league.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know
what happened.
I blacked out.
I really don't even know what happened.

(46:47):
I mean, you got everybody on here talking too.
I mean, shoot.
Crushing it.
I'm the best there is.
You know?
And, you know
Buttsy, Brent is your agent.
And, Robin's racing.
You know?
Robin is racing.
No, dude.
That's cool, man.
I mean, look.
I still don't know what you win if you win theGrass League.

(47:08):
I know that there's pride.
Like, well, well, there's money.
There's money.
And I want people to see a big chunky Buttsy atthe end of their heartstring.
Trust me.
That would be really funny looking.
But, yeah, do you win anything?
Yeah.
I, dude, I think last year, it was like ahundred grand purse.

(47:29):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
So there was one of those big, like, HappyGilmore checks that goes out with that.
That's all.
I don't care if it's $200.
I just want that check.
I want the big check.
But, yeah, I told Todd earlier that we areactually going to do a full podcast over at
Grass Clippings next month as we get closer tothe open qualifier, and we will have him on,

(47:56):
and we will go through even more so.
We'll sit through an entire show, and we'llhave a special around the Grass League and
everything going on.
And, like I said, you know, we're happy topromote and be a part of this movement because
it is pretty cool that this is happening inArizona under the lights.

(48:16):
There's this grittiness, that authenticity thatgoes into it that he mentioned, which is
really, really awesome.
And now we're gonna totally transition backinto the top level of professional golf with
the Cognizant Classic.
And, Buttsy, tell me what happened this weekendwith your boy, Jake Knapp?

(48:37):
Because Thursday shoots a 59, and that couldhave been a 57 or 58, by the way.
Oh.
He lips out on 17.
Yeah.
Had a 15 or 20 footer for eagle on 18.
I was watching it in real time, and I'm like,dude.
To me, it looked like just a couple badnumbers, like a couple bad clubs.

(49:02):
I didn't really—it didn't look like he mishitit or fatted anything, or like he didn't hit
anything 20 yards right into this.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Like, there were a couple balls that were justa half club or a club short, and then that got
compounded real fast, especially when it was inthe water there.
I mean, Brent, you've had a PGA Tour caddie.
I mean, tell me, would you have wanted yourcaddie to stop you and go, hey, man, let's just

(49:28):
go take the fucking drop?
Yeah.
I mean, that's tough.
Playing it out of any sort of situation likethat is always the last resort.
I never look at it.
I've never looked at it and said, oh, yeah.
I can play that and then just kinda set my mindto that, no matter what.
And, fortunately, I've been blessed to have acouple of really good caddies, and we've always

(49:50):
been able to make at least half the decisionscorrect.
But it's tough.
I mean, he's trying to win a golf tournament.
Obviously, he's very talented, very confidentin what he can do.
Why wouldn't you go back to the drop area?
Where's the drop zone, though?
Like, where that flag was at, where would hehave had to drop?
Like, how far?
Which hole?

(50:12):
the fuck.
I—what
was it?
13?
Was it 13 or 12?
It was early enough in the back nine to where,like, if you take a penalty drop—mhmm—get up
and down for bogey, then you're not in aterrible spot.
But you can make triple bogey there.
Tee.
Right?
Like, he—no.
There was a spot to drop that was much closer?

(50:33):
I believe so.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of hazards out there.
I do love that golf course a lot, but it isvery tough, especially with the Bear Trap
coming.
I mean, at no point in time, especially late ina round like that, are you sitting there
saying, yeah.
You know, I absolutely have to play this shotbecause I don't have, you know?

(50:55):
Because I can, it's when like, I don't haveanything to lose, and that's just not, that's
never the case.
That's never a good mindset.
And no, I know Jake.
And like I said, I mean, he's a great player.
Obviously, he's been playing well.
But, yeah, I feel for him.
But, yeah, absolutely.
You would hope that your caddie pulls you offthat.
And that's probably a discussion that I hopethey had afterwards.

(51:17):
Hopefully, Jake took the responsibility andsaid, you know what?
That's on me.
And, you know, they're able to move forward asa team because otherwise, it can get pretty
spicy out there.
It can
get pretty spicy.
I've heard enough of those stories from all thecaddies to where it's like, man.
You know, the guys, I mean, it becomes arevolving door that all of a sudden they're in

(51:37):
one day, they're out the next, and
Yep.
You know, you build almost, there's very fewvery tight-knit relationships, but it seems
like there is a tight-knit relationship betweenJake and his caddie.
But the caddie needs to know when they reallyneed to step in.
Yeah.
For sure.
There's 0% chance in that situation that thecaddie was, like, talking him into it.

(51:59):
Right?
No.
There's no way he was like, dude, take yourshoe off.
You can absolutely get it out of there.
Like, you
there's no The ball was underwater.
Like, you didn't see the ball on the firstshot.
And was
it how far off the lead was he at that point?
Or was
it No.
He was
in the lead.
Yeah.
That was well,
that's fine.
That's a bonehead mistake.
Yeah.
That that that's not the smart one.
But Joe Highsmith ends up winning it.

(52:20):
A good old Pepperdine alum.
And, by the way, when he was in college, he wonat Sahalee Country Club up in Washington.
And my goodness, if you can win there, you canwin anywhere.
That's for sure.
So Joe Highsmith, that is not a surprise.
Get used to the name.
He is one hell of a player and man, did he makeit?

(52:40):
He I he just he got locked in.
Absolutely locked in at the right time and hedid not miss shots.
Almost every putt looked like it was going in.
Had a couple lip-outs towards the end from,like, bombs, like, thirty, forty feet just
lipping out.
You're like, holy shit.
Like, there was a no doubt.
I had at one point, I had a bet on Ben Griffin.

(53:00):
And I'm like, at one point, I almost was Ialmost pulled the trigger on the early payout.
And I'm watching Joe Highsmith, and as soon asI saw him lock in, I'm like, fuck.
I need to cash out.
And thank goodness I did.
So I was just like You're all there?
Yeah.
I was just like, he's not he's not goinganywhere.
Like, the he's when you see a guy who is thatlocked in, he's not gonna falter under

(53:26):
pressure.
That's for sure.
So that's the Cognizant Classic folks.
I'm not gonna get into anything really beyondthat because overall, the course was set up way
too easy and there wasn't a ton of wind thefirst couple days.
So that's one of the reasons why we got to seeJake Knapp go off, which was sick.
But Billy Horschel was complaining about thecourse conditions being too easy.

(53:49):
Then this week, we've got a signature seriesevent coming up, folks.
We've got the Arnold Palmer Invitationalpresented by Mastercard.
And, yes, folks, I do understand it is not theArnie Palmer.
It is the Arnold Palmer.
Buttsy just pulled the biggest pickle out of abag, by the way.
He's hungry.

(54:10):
He's motivated.
He's locked in.
He understands that the pickle juice will helpwith his liver, and that's why he's taken some
pretty big bites out of a very large pickle.
How is that pickle?
It's called the Big Papa.
Yeah.
It looks like the Big Papa.
My god.
You're just absolutely downing that bad boy.

(54:32):
Now the Arnold Palmer is taking place over atBay Hill.
Brent, have you had the opportunity of playingBay Hill?
I haven't.
Nope.
Not yet.
And,
yeah, it's a it's a special place.
I always used to look forward to, or used toalways look forward to watching that event.
And when I was on the PGA Tour, it wasinteresting to hear the different perspectives

(54:56):
from the guys that have won there or playedwell there or even the opposite of the guys
that hate it, but know that it's a big eventwith a big purse, so they play it anyway.
This is a golf course that you can set up verydifficult to where you can get into single
digits in terms of the final score.
It's six
Or you could have it be a little bit higherjust depending on the course setup.

(55:19):
I do not know how it's set up this year.
I have not talked to anybody in regards tothat, but last year, it was won by Scottie
Scheffler at 15 under.
So that tells you a little bit that
they didn't several.
Yeah.
It won by several, but
Yep.
It was it was set up, I would say, difficult.
Yeah.

(55:39):
It's not an easy golf course, and it's onlywhen, you know, if they get some rain, you
know, that's pretty much the face that most ofthe players make, finishing round one, round
two, and missing the cut.
But, yeah.
I mean, a lot of the time, if they get somerain, it can get pretty, pretty darty out

(56:00):
there.
Otherwise, those guys are hanging on for dearlife half the time, especially if they miss the
fairway, which is easy to do out there.
Buttsy, do you think Scottie Scheffler ends upgoing back to back?
I gotta get rid of this fucking piss.
This pickle stinks.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let's go back to Brent.
Brent, you think Scottie Scheffler you think?
Oh, I said, do you think Scottie Scheffler'sgonna win?

(56:21):
He won it last year.
You think he's gonna win it again?
Yes.
I mean, ever since the hand injury, he hasn'tbeen the same guy.
But, Brent, what about you?
You think Scottie Scheffler's gonna win thisweek?
My pick is Rory.
I, I, the way he's playing, the way he's beenplaying, he likes that golf course, obviously.
Knows it very well.
Tiger's won it, you know, ten times.

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And so I think this is probably gonna be Rory'syear, unfortunately, but it is what it is.
I do think you have to be a bomber.
Let's go through the betting odds real quick.
We've got Scottie Scheffler at plus 320, RoryMcIlroy at plus 750, Ludvig, oh, oh, actually,
you know what?
I heard from Full Swing.
You guys watch Full Swing at all?
The third season?

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Not a chance.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've watched a bit of it.
Ludvig.
So it's Ludvig.
Ludvig.
Åberg.
Like ludicrous.
Yeah.
Åberg, I always knew.
I learned that off of like the very firstbroadcast when he had a little circle above the
a.
So it's Åberg.
Plus 1,600.
Xander Schauffele is plus 1,800.
Collin Morikawa plus 2,000.

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Justin Thomas, Hideki Matsuyama, plus 2,500.
Tommy Fleetwood, a plus 3,300.
Sungjae Im at plus 3,900.
Russell Henley, plus 4,400.
Will Zalatoris and Shane Lowry at plus 5,000.
Then we got Keegan Bradley, Sam Burns, WyndhamClark, Bobby Mac, Viktor Hovland, Taylor
Pendrith, and Maverick McNealy at plus 5,500.

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Sepp Straka, Matt Fitzpatrick, Tony Finau atplus 6,000.
Daniel Berger at plus 6,500.
That's normally we cap it out at about 6,500.
There's more guys obviously in the field thisweek, but it is a signature series event.
I do not believe there is a cut this week.
So everybody's gonna get paid.

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But let's start off with you, Buttsy.
Who do you think is gonna win this week?
I know we just talked about Scottie Scheffler.
You feel free to take him.
I think yeah.
I think it's Scheffler.
Like, he's gonna start warming up here.
We're gonna start seeing him go right back intoform.
He got the Masters right around the corner.
Get that peak going.
Get the mind right, and he might just be onthat upward, he might be ramping up.

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I like it.
What about you?
Who's that plus a hundred thousand, though?
Because that seemed to be a pretty good picklast week, or
is there a good estimate?
I don't know.
I don't have it in the show notes, my friend.
I'm gonna pick somebody for $10, though.
Yeah.
For sure.
Go ahead, Brent.
Who you so you're going with Rory McIlroy?
Yeah.
I think he's trending.
He's been playing well.

(58:51):
Little side note, there was a cut at theGenesis, so it is possible that there's a
a cut
this week.
I need to double check that.
Let's make sure.
Actually, Todd, you're on.
Todd is our researcher.
So, Todd, is there a cut this week for theSignature Series event?
I don't believe there is.
I think the Arnold Palmer is one that there isnot, but double check for us.

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I greatly appreciate it.
And, my pick for the week is actually gonna bewe're gonna go one, two, three here, by the
way, with the odds.
So, Buttsy, you've got Scottie.
Brent, you've got Rory.
I just did that backwards.
Buttsy, you've got Scottie Scheffler.
Brent, you've got Rory McIlroy, and I've gotLudvig Åberg.

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Okay?
Ludvig Åberg.
I really like where his game is at and afterwinning the Genesis, I feel like he is a solid
pick.
I would be not too surprised though if DanielBerger is at the top of the leaderboard come
Sunday.
This dude is back.
And remember how good he was before theinjuries?

(59:55):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, shit.
Like and he's looking really good over the pastcouple of weeks.
So he's trending in the right direction.
He can hit the ball a mile.
You get him a little streaky out there.
He could be something.
Austin Whittington is throwing in there that heloves Rafael Campos at plus 250,000.

(01:00:15):
I love that.
That's your guy.
That is your guy right there.
To that guy.
Wait.
There is a cut this week.
Okay.
So so far, we have we had every signatureseries event with a cut so far?
Mhmm.
Except for Maui.
Yeah.
Except for that one.
And it had a feeling with that was the only onethat was not.
This is interesting because the majority of thesignature series events in years past did not

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have a cut.
Why why are they doing that?
More money.
Yeah.
So it with the way it breaks down is is therewas enough pushback, and they just kinda threw
everybody a bone.
It was like, oh, there's a cut.
And just kinda like, you know, like, waving aflag going, yeah.
See, we're we're everything's fine.
There's a cut.
Don't don't don't look over here.

(01:01:01):
Little bit of backlash that, hey.
You guys are copying LIV with the no-cutaction.
Yeah.
I love how Todd absolutely has the exact sameopinion as all three of us with regards to
what's happened, and so much so that it'spretty clear he's trying to revolutionize the
way golf is viewed.
And I'm excited for you guys.

(01:01:22):
Well, remember this.
So with the grass league, and I talked aboutthis just in general.
I didn't mention it as the grass league, but Imentioned the way that the PGA Tour and LIV
Golf are structured right now and set up, thatsomebody—and I said it might be a YouTube golf
tournament—that ends up kinda coming up fromthe ground level and all of a sudden becomes

(01:01:45):
this massive success and kinda takes over theprofessional ranks.
Now granted, as he mentioned, he's like, inwhat—how—I forget how many years he said.
But in five years, if Rory McIlroy and ScottieScheffler are playing on this tour, then I
don't think we did a good job.
So we shall see.
So they if they would have failed, which isfantastic.

(01:02:06):
I mean, I love how he's pointing playingeverybody towards the story, which is huge.
And it's something that every single member ofthe PGA Tour for the last five years has said,
well, why aren't we doing this full swingthing, and apparently, they're doing a third
season, which nobody wanted.

(01:02:26):
And they're focusing clearly on, you know,these top players and, you know, completely
forgetting that there's, you know, 90 to 150players out there that are working hard, and
they don't ever get a single ounce of coverage.
Yeah.
Our researcher Todd Dobson just threw in here,and the rest might.

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Bay Hill is one of three signature events with72-man fields that has a 36-hole cut.
Monahan said there has been no discussion aboutadding a 36-hole cut to the rest of the other
five signature series events, though he did notrule it out.
So there you go.
It's Jack's tournament, Arnie's tournament, andTiger's tournament because they wanted it to be

(01:03:12):
sort of real.
You know?
They wanted it to mean something, although Imean, come on.
Yeah.
Hey.
Never know.
I mean, it does prevent somebody teeing it upand which I believe happened at Pebble Beach,
if I'm not mistaken.
Somebody teed up in the first round andwithdrew.
And, because there's no cut, they get paid.
So
Okay.

(01:03:32):
We've got an update on the Bryson and Brooksstory over from LIV Golf.
And by the way, folks, this is coming from theLIV Golf side.
And no, I am not talking about the Mirror UK,the nice little dandy report that had
absolutely nothing in it from LIV Golf.
But, I've got some updates here.
And this is by the way, I know I've gone heelon LIV.

(01:03:56):
Okay?
But I still have some contacts over on the LIVside, and I've got one really good one right
now that really gave me a full scoop as toeverything going on over there.
And, yes, if you want to say that LIV did notlove the fact that I dropped the bomb about the
deal between Bryson and or the extensionrequest between Yaseer and Bryson.

(01:04:24):
You are correct.
They did not enjoy that we released thatinformation.
However, what I will tell you is that thissource, by the way, is over in Hong Kong right
now.
We've been chatting on and off, and they'retelling me, by the way, that Bryson's contract
was restructured this year over in Riyadh, andthis is going to take him through 2026 in

(01:04:51):
regards to the contract details behind it.
So the impetus behind this restructure.
Buttsy, I think you're gonna get a kick out ofthis, which I had no idea.
For another year.
This had everything to do with the YouTubechannel.
PIF and Yasir felt like they owned Bryson'sYouTube channel.

(01:05:14):
Now, if you've realized recently in the media,Bryson came out and said he has not made a dime
off of it, and I felt like this was a weirdcomment coming from an interview with Bryson.
I felt it at the time, and now all of a suddenit makes sense.
He said in the interview, he goes, yeah, theYouTube channel is doing great, but I haven't

(01:05:36):
made a penny off of the YouTube channel todate.
That's
That's tough to believe.
But he also mentioned that he invested amillion dollars into the channel.
Okay?
So as my source was telling, I'm like, whoa.
He hasn't made anything.
Yeah.
Well,
if he's saying profit-wise, he might beaccurate.

(01:05:58):
If he put a million dollars in, then he mightnot have made back the million dollars yet.
But
What did he spend the million dollars on?
So the video editors and the production side toeverything, not
a million dollars for that.
Full
So well, this is where it gets a little bitjuicy.
For the green sweepers?
So you probably did something for the greensweepers to make sure everybody makes those

(01:06:20):
points when they
need them.
Yeah.
Forgot on that.
Still all over that one episode when all of asudden there was sand on the green, and then it
was wiped away.
But it's a perfect Tony putts.
It misses wide right, and then it goes, oh,when she's tell
that he, you know, he clear yeah.
I mean
I don't wanna get too sidetracked here becausethis is pretty important stuff that I wanted to

(01:06:43):
share on the podcast.
I don't wanna be putting this out there as newsbecause I don't wanna play the back and forth
between the tour and LIV Golf, but they did saythat there is some trouble in paradise, but
that is they've they said that everybody on theLIV Golf side has heard not only from Bryson's

(01:07:04):
caddy but also from Bryson himself and so forthbecause when there's a big meeting that goes on
between Bryson and Yasser, everybody knowsabout it on LIV Golf.
And that makes sense.
Right?
Well, I mean, it makes sense that there wouldbe buzz Yeah.
But not that everybody knows all the details.

(01:07:25):
No.
Not the details behind it.
No.
What I'm saying is that everybody knew thatthere was a meeting that went on, which is one
of the reasons why nobody has rebutted orrefuted the fact that Bryson went and asked for
$280 million as an extension and that gotdeclined.
So that started up the speculation around himcoming back to the PGA Tour, and this was from

(01:07:49):
PGA Tour officials that they knew about thiswhole entire deal.
And sure enough, on the LIV side, they'resaying though that Bryson's staying put.
Okay?
That his Bryson's caddie has told people thatBryson's not going anywhere.
It's not happening.
And I just really find and we're gonna dig moreinto the details around this Bryson YouTube

(01:08:15):
issue because I don't think Yasir would justgive up because he told Bryson that they own
his YouTube.
That's a big problem and apparently in thecontract with these guys, which I have not
seen, but I'm told that in their contracts,there's, like, some loose language around

(01:08:37):
YouTube channels.
Interesting.
So that's one of the things that, obviously,Phil and Bryson, both, I believe sued the tour
over, with regards to their image and what theycan and can't do.
I've obviously, I'm sure most everybody knowsthat in 2020 during COVID, Bryson had started

(01:09:01):
this YouTube thing, and the tour actually hadhim take it down, which legally, they were able
to do because they own Bryson's image.
But if it doesn't explicitly say, we own yourimage, Bryson, from the PIF side, then he's
free to do whatever he pleases.

(01:09:21):
This whole thing was really surprising, but itmade a ton of sense.
Especially, like, hearing it, I was just kindasitting back.
I'm like, the YouTube stuff.
Yeah.
PIF thinks that they own Bryson's YouTubestuff.
And then all of a sudden, there's a big meetingin Riyadh this year.
Bryson asked for a huge extension, gets denied.

(01:09:42):
Apparently, they restructured according to mysource, but I am not 100% on that.
I wouldn't report I would say that that's morerumor than it is factual.
The rumor that they did restructure it?
That they restructured.
So for whatever reason, maybe Brysonthreatened, which is like, you start putting

(01:10:04):
the puzzle pieces together to all of this.
Okay.
Why is the PGA Tour saying this?
Why is LIV telling me this now?
Like, what are the puzzle pieces here that gointo all of it, which I find pretty
interesting?
Yeah.
What it sounds like is and I'm sure we'll getinto a little deeper, but clarify for me if you

(01:10:24):
would, gentlemen.
If you get denied an extension as an athlete,doesn't that normally lead to some sort of
severing of some sort of contract?
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but, I mean,that's literally happened, what, a thousand

(01:10:45):
times, a million times, where, oh, hey.
I want this much money.
No.
Okay.
I'm gonna go over here.
Well, the one thing I can tell you thatnobody's gonna be happy when, like, Buttsy,
let's say that you had a YouTube channel andall of a sudden I go, yeah, man.
I own your YouTube channel.
You would not be happy about that just becauseyou participated in a particular league.

(01:11:08):
Like, there's some problems going on here thatwe're uncovering.
Like, there's some bad blood that's beingstirred.
Well, I
think there's any LIV-based content on hischannel.
Is there?
No.
But part of the whole thing that I was told isthat he was caught off guard by them saying

(01:11:30):
that they own his YouTube channel.
And, apparently, Bryson was very smart becauseeven the money that he all invested into it, he
made sure was not proceeds or money that he hadmade from his deal with PIF.
What?
Oh, so yeah.
So he said that they've financed it.

(01:11:51):
Correct.
Oh.
They can't just say that they they're owedsomething because they financed the channel or
whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this is one of the things that,unfortunately, the PGA Tour, obviously, you
know, 50 years ago established, and that's why,you know, none of us like, when we film
something on-site, we actually can't post itwithout the PGA Tour giving their explicit

(01:12:16):
permission.
So, but the thing is, like, almost all, youknow, every day when he's at a golf tournament
with a LIV Tour, he's posting.
So, well, I mean, he wears the logo every day.
Well, the other thing is too, he's wearing thelogo of his team.
Yeah.
In all of those YouTube videos.
So, apparently, according to the source, theyhave told me that this whole YouTube issue got

(01:12:42):
knocked out at Riyadh, but there was a big,like, a big issue with him asking for a
contract extension.
Do we know which one happened first?
No.
It sounds like it was just a littlebitchy—well, not a little one, but, like, a
large-scale little bitch fight.
Like, kinda like, oh, well, you know, well, weactually own that.

(01:13:04):
And it's like
Man, Bryson can't win.
You guys spent fucking $400 million on 20 guys,like, you really want my YouTube money?
Okay.
Cool.
Well, go for it.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I think that's, yeah, that's why it'll beinteresting to see what happens here in the
next, you know, five to six weeks, once theirseason really gets going.

(01:13:24):
Okay.
So here, here's
ask, though.
Oh.
Eighty?
I've done it.
280,000,000.
Well, you gotta imagine.
So since PIF declined that.
Right?
And there's enough people.
Like, there was another podcast that alsotalked about this, that from their sources
within the PGA Tour, they had heard that Brysonmade a huge extension request and PIF declined

(01:13:44):
it.
So we were not the only ones on that wholeentire thing.
What I can tell you is the source is from thehighest levels when it comes to the PGA Tour.
So it's not like, there's very little doubtthat this information is incorrect and not 100%
accurate.
However, the angle around it, obviously, iscoming from the tour side.

(01:14:06):
Now I'm starting to get the LIV side to all ofthis, which is pretty interesting in and of
itself and the fact that even on the LIV sidethey're saying that there are problems in
paradise.
However, they are reiterating the fact thatBryson is dedicated to LIV Golf and is going to

(01:14:26):
remain on LIV Golf for the foreseeable future.
That he's too invested and that's also what itmirrored in the Mirror UK article, that he's
too invested into LIV Golf.
He owns 25% of equity into the Crushers andthere's a whole lot of stuff around that.

(01:14:47):
But there's I tell you what man, when there issmoke there is fire and I am feeling that there
is something off here with the whole Bryson,Yasir relationship and with PIF not paying
players.
Because PIF, once again, could have had a bigoff-season, like, in signing big-time names.
But they realized that these big-time namesaren't moving the needle.

(01:15:10):
They can't just buy golf.
Yeah.
To me, it just all sounds like we're gonna seethat whole thing, you know, blow up by
February, and they know that.
And he's gonna sit there and wait that out.
Yeah.
Some guys will probably integrate back into thePGA Tour well before then.

(01:15:32):
Contracts are up, stuff like that.
But I think it'll be completely gone by the endof '26.
So, like, we'll say we're dedicated, and we'llsay whatever to satisfy all those obligations,
like you said, and those financial, being inbed that much for it.
But, yeah, that's probably all null and void ifit actually just goes away.

(01:15:54):
Right?
So
And my That's all yeah.
Go ahead, Matt.
I was just gonna say my theory on this, like,this is nothing from the reports or anything
like that.
But if you were to ask me, hey, Matt.
What do you think is actually going to happen?
And what do you think has actually happened?
I think that Bryson and PIF got into a littlebit of a pissing match.
In terms of, you know, Bryson wants more money.

(01:16:16):
He wants to be extended, and he was going toleave and threaten to leave if they didn't pay
him.
And then all of a sudden PIF came back with thewhole entire, well, we own your YouTube
channel.
And all of a sudden there was a whole battlearound that.
So all of a sudden cooler heads prevailed in myopinion to where now you've got Bryson saying,
alright.

(01:16:36):
Let's just restructure this agreement through2026.
You guys do not own my YouTube channel becausehe knows that that's his moneymaker in the
future.
That is his platform that he has built.
So if he gets that, he knows after 2026, he canjust be a YouTube guy.
He doesn't even have to go back to the PGA Tourat that point.
So I that's my theory on the entire thing fromgetting the information from both sides.

(01:17:01):
I really feel like Bryson is just he he gotstuck between a rock and a hard place and had
to choose to restructure through 2026.
So it is what it is.
And then we've got Brooks.
Bottom.
Good old Brooks Koepka.
K?
So Fred Couples yesterday comes out on theradio and says that he talks to Brooks all the

(01:17:26):
time.
That Brooks is coming back to the PGA Tour.
K?
My source before the last broadcast of theirwere, of our podcast before we started
recording.
Hit me up because Brooks was at the TGL.
My source was also at the TGL.
Talk to Brooks.
Brooks was like, yeah, man.
I'm just fulfilling the rest of my contract.

(01:17:46):
I'm done as soon as it's fulfilled and I'mcoming back to the PGA Tour.
I already talked to Jay, you know, we're we'removing on.
And sure enough, a lot of people were upsetbecause Fred Couples said this on the radio.
Right?
And Fred's kinda opened up his mouth about afew things, especially around the Ryder Cup
time and, saying some things.

(01:18:07):
And sure enough, Phil Mickelson chirps back andcalled it low class and, said that if if he if
Brooks isn't actually wanting to go and he justleveraged that fact that his friendship should
be over and so forth, like, he wrote up thiswhole Twitter deal.
But basically, low class is what Phil Mickelsoncalled Fred.

(01:18:31):
Okay?
And Phil's
probably getting a kick out of all this shit.
Well, what people don't know and here's thething, though.
Like, a lot of people are siding with Phil onthis because it's like, yeah man that's messed
up.
They're like, you're that Freddie sharingBrooks' private information that he shares with
him.
Well, guess what?

(01:18:52):
According to my LIV source, and by the way,like I said, they fought me on the whole entire
Bryson deal.
So you can take it with a grain of salt, butthey told me, oh, yeah.
By the way, Brooks, he's gone.
Everybody knows it.
He's told everybody.
Like, of course.
Everybody knows it in the clubhouse.
Everybody knows.

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So Phil knew that, okay, this isn't necessarilyreally out there to where everybody knows.
So I'm gonna take a shot at Freddie.
Because he and Freddie are not friends anymore.
There was no.
There were quotes today from Brooks literallycoming out and saying, like, I'll be the first
one to tell you I did it for the dough.
And I don't know if I'm gonna get in a caraccident tomorrow, but if I do, my family's set

(01:19:35):
up forever.
Yeah.
I think he said that on Full Swing season one,to be honest.
Legitimately yeah.
He made the decision because he had a kneeinjury, a wrist injury.
Yes.
It's not comforting Matt.
Like, anything.
I mean, he signed a Srixon contract, andliterally not weeks later, this whole thing

(01:19:57):
happened where he was like, oh, yeah.
I'm leaving, and, you know, I also have to takesix months off, and then I'll start up with LIV
Tour come January 22, I think it was, or '23.
So, yeah, I mean, the simple fact of the matteris Freddie and Phil have been going at it in
the California desert for the last, I don'tknow, 20 some odd years.
But for Phil to go on X and to write, call himlow class, an essay, you literally

(01:20:23):
A low-class jerk.
You couldn't be further from the truth.
There is not a single person on the planetthat's higher class than Fred Couples, and he
knows that.
And that's why no.
He was taking a shot.
Yeah.
You're spot on.
You were absolutely spot on.
That's why he did it.
Because he knows that he can play the politics,and he knows how it'll play out because not

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everybody knows how open Brooks is about this.
Right?
Well, that's where the LIV Golf source was justlike exactly.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
Like, it is not a secret.
No.
Brooks is the most open person out there.
If he wants to make a decision, he's just like,yeah.
I'm gonna go this far.
The funniest thing too about Brooks is that hedoesn't wear the team logo.

(01:21:08):
No.
He wears a Nike hat.
He wears a Nike shirt.
He's got no team representation whatsoever.
Yeah.
He don't give a fuck.
I will.
You you couldn't display more that you did itfor
the week.
Yeah.
He doesn't care.
He's never cared.
As soon as this contract is fulfilled, he'smade his money, and he's coming back.

(01:21:29):
Yeah.
That's the bottom
line with Brooks.
I cannot wait to see who all comes back and whodecides just to freaking peace out and and ride
into the sunset and who who gets all bitter andbutthurt and and when it all when it all
settles down.
Funny you bring that up.
So Matt and I think we probably disagree onthis.

(01:21:49):
I think you see Cam Smith return to the PGATour.
No.
I
think he literally said, if I win the Open andthe Players, I'm retiring.
I think he'll play some PGA Tour, man.
I know.
Cam Smith did.
Cam Smith loves his life.
Fishing and partying.
Yeah.
He loves his life, dude.

(01:22:10):
He's like DJ.
I don't think DJ's ever coming back to the PGATour.
Why would he?
Dude, DJ would rather be on a boat fishing, buthe knows that on the golf course, that's where
he's making enough money in order to fulfillhis lifestyle.
His lifestyle got elevated.
Understand why.
He's married to Wayne Gretzky's daughter.
I mean I think

(01:22:30):
But let's get back to Cam Smith because CamSmith is a super calm dude who loves his
lifestyle.
He talked about it.
He didn't love living in Florida.
He wanted to live in Australia.
Mhmm.
And now he's able to live back in Australiaagain.
He doesn't want to have to travel over to theStates to play professional golf.
No.
Not for 25.
No.
I understand, but I think I don't think he'scompletely done.

(01:22:52):
I think he'll play something.
He'll play the majors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's all that matters to him.
I mean, yeah.
That's the downside of these guys all leavingis that their legacies get shot because, let's
face it, golf is a game of history.
Like, we pride golf around so much historic andsometimes historic bullshit.

(01:23:14):
But it is a game of history.
Like, you look back and you can look back towho won certain tournaments, like what golf
course, like, you could be like, oh my gosh.
You go to Winged Foot and you're just like,holy shit.
Like, the aura
The history.
Yeah.
The players that have walked these grounds and,like, you could say the same thing about Riv

(01:23:34):
with Yeah.
The Genesis.
It's like there's certain tournaments to where,like, they're never getting that with playing
LIV Golf Hong Kong.
No.
And you're actually, you're absolutely right.
I had this conversation a couple of days agowith my dad.
I said, you know, if all of this goes away infive years, let's just worst-case scenario,
everything just blows up.
Right?
What you're left with essentially is thismassive asterisk on the last, you know, from

(01:23:59):
2020 on.
But 2020 before that, you've got just a massiveblow-up in people who are making money, playing
great golf tournaments.
There's no politics.
There's no BS.
And the simple fact of the matter is LIV Tourcreated that void.
They created that issue.
And, obviously, I'm not gonna give any credenceto, you know, the PGA Tour's negligence.

(01:24:25):
I mean, or, actually, no.
Excuse me.
The PGA Tour absolutely was negligent when itcomes to how they reacted, but, it just I mean,
it just doesn't look oh, yeah.
I went over and played eight tournaments a yearfor three years and then came back and what?
What is Jon Rahm gonna do?
I mean, that guy is that guy is half.
I can tell you right now, after hearing aboutwhere the deal is and how it took a major step

(01:24:50):
back, I guarantee you, Jon Rahm is one of themost pissed off people right now because he
thought as soon as he signed the contract onit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He really felt like he was coming back to thePGA Tour, was gonna be able to play events.
Oh, yeah.
That was the conversation around Tony.
Right?
Was that, you know, well, he's gonna go becausehe knows that in a year, you know, everything's

(01:25:14):
gonna get dialed back in.
But, again, right?
And it's funny that, you know, Donald Trump isaddressing Congress right now, but that doesn't
bode well for them trying to get everythingtogether and to basically create a monopoly.
So it was kind of a pipe dream in the firstplace, and I think we're gonna see some

(01:25:35):
interesting things happen here towards the endof 2025 with these players.
Yeah.
My last point here is that Jay Monahan saidthat a deal is no longer imminent at this hour.
That's tough to say that word, imminent.
So that's a complete backstep.
Actually, they just flat out turned around andran.

(01:25:56):
From
talking about by the players or what that like
June of 2023 when they announced that there wasa deal to be made to make a deal, and then it
was, well, we've got this really solid deal,and then there were five or
four deals.
Four deals.
Four deals in place.
And now they're all gone.
Apparently, well, the meeting with the big mandid not go well.

(01:26:17):
Oh, I can't imagine it would.
And so that's where
like shit in '20
And by the way, the tour side has come out andsaid, he's on our side.
Like, he's not on Yasir's side.
So all those LIV Golf fans who sit there andare like, we love him and we love LIV Golf.
Well, guess what?
You're gonna have to pick a side because he'sagainst you.

(01:26:38):
He doesn't wanna see first.
Yeah.
He doesn't really wanna see the Saudis havetheir league be dominant.
Okay?
Well, he understands the reality of it, though.
It's
just Exactly.
Yeah.
People still like this more.
Yeah.
They can, yeah, exactly.
If they can, and what would be absolutelyperfect, and I'm just gonna put it out there
because I really hope this happens, but if theycan kinda walk back some of the decisions that

(01:27:01):
they've made and be like, okay.
We've got the U.S.
government behind us.
We've got all the business power behind us, andwe're just gonna make as if none of this ever
happened.
And just and
just all of a sudden, we're right back to 2019.
Tiger winning the Masters and wow.
There you go.
That's beautiful.
Hang on one more time.

(01:27:22):
There you go.
Beautiful.
Just putting it out there.
Just putting it out there.
Where's the
You'd see a lot more players, and I think youwould see leagues like the Grass League really
blow up, and American golf would be right backto where it needs to be with businesses behind
players, behind the Tour, behind all this othergood stuff, and the days of what it looks like

(01:27:47):
now, hopefully.
Fall off.
We're gonna find is that a league like theGrass League is gonna be able to be born into
the mainstream because of all of this, becauseof all the failures and so forth that has gone
on with golf.
And that's why I'm big on the Grass Leaguebecause they're doing things that I talked
about years ago where I'm like, hey.

(01:28:08):
We need to see a league to where, like, you'replaying par threes with teams and you're
literally going from state to state and you'vegot all these kinda, like, par three arenas
because you could really create par threecourses that, like, fit a certain game, and you
could have home course advantage versus others.
It's like
Told Todd this.
I love the fact that I don't have to worryabout hitting driver out of bounds.

(01:28:34):
Like, that's off the fucking table.
No.
You're not talking about it.
I'm not
talking about it.
Both, man, because even though I'm a gooddriver of the golf ball, that pull hook, it
still comes out.
Yeah.
Same here, bro.
Like, it's fucking in that spot.
Now.
Buttsy is lacing it.
You guys seen
I played with Buttsy.
I beat Buttsy on the back.
No.

(01:28:54):
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
He doesn't wanna talk about it.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have
done it.
I shouldn't have done it.
Shouldn't have done it.
I had a bipolar eighteen holes.
We've talked about this.
Hey, man.
I'm just glad that there's competitive golf,like I said, that doesn't require a
nerve-wracking tee shot.

(01:29:14):
Two hundred yards or less, I'll play withanybody.
But,
you know
I'm with you.
I love I love just being a ball striker, man.
And then if you can drain some putts
but, like, especially as short as you werehitting it last time, like, that's another
thing to take into account.
Like, if you were to play somewhere like theHero and

(01:29:35):
Oh, I knew.
I knew you had to come back with something.
I had to say
something about
the yard.
Did.
You did.
Yeah.
He's just he's so in love with that place.
Albany is such a great golf course, and we saythis every single week.
You know, we really need to have all majortournaments there.
They should
do grass work out that way.

(01:29:55):
Probably and just cut the holes down short andthen probably yeah.
I'm sure there's a Discovery property.
There's probably somebody working at Discoverythat's working with Todd and his team.
They're probably gonna set something up becauseI know Discovery's got some properties across
the world that have some lights and some holes.
Yeah.
They should build a hot air balloon golf coursein the sky, fully suspended.

(01:30:18):
I also heard that, in North Carolina, they'redoing a cool little par-3 course under the
lights.
So there are some spots that are being plannedright now that I feel like, man, this is gonna
be really cool.
I do not want to travel over to India.
I'm sorry.
I just I'm
in the Indio.

(01:30:39):
Indio Hills.
Indio.
Yeah.
That's yeah.
Yeah.
They're the OGs of lit golf.
Yeah.
Nothing against Indio.
Although
Indio also has a par-3 course.
But yeah.
It's not it's a poo poo sandwich.
It's not very good.
No.
But there could be some cool spots.
Like, you could have one that is more designedaround wedge play.

(01:31:01):
You could have one that there's longer par-3s.
Like, there's so much that can go into astrategy.
Like, if you own a franchise, and all of asudden you've got a team of guys that, you
know, they're like Collin Morikawa to where amid-iron is as good as a freaking wedge.
You're gonna build out a golf course in thatmanner so that whenever you're playing at home,

(01:31:24):
I would love to start to see some match playaction go on.
And I've granted they're doing that.
Right?
And, I love the fact that he called me out oncalling good good influencers because they are
influencers, but they're also good golfers.
That's the part that I wasn't shitting on themby saying, yeah.
You got Brad Dalke and I forget the other guy'sname, but
said it, like, from a point of
I think he took it a little bit that way, butit was not my intention.

(01:31:47):
I can respect I can respect the defensivenessin it.
I can respect him wanting to hold those guysup.
I mean, yeah, Brad is a great player.
And
Well, and they're owners in their league now.
So I totally get the bit.
Like, the little bit of, you know,defensiveness that came out of that, but I was
not saying that they can't play.
It's more so like
the other side of the coin, 95% of influencergolfers fucking suck.

(01:32:11):
So but
they're doing a creator classic tour.
What are you talking about?
So, Todd, like, a little bit there is is thethere is a stigma because
They suck.
You're famous.
People are watching you, and you're terrible.
So you got personality, game.
Grass League's trying to do those
Yes.
Up here.

(01:32:32):
YouTube's like, you fucking suck, and yourpersonality's maybe here.
And I still don't understand why people
watch it.
But
Well, you know, not everybody can be Buttsy.
No.
I fuck.
I'm not I that's why I don't have a channel.
I'm not I don't think people
so close.
We were so close.
We got fucked over by a video editor.

(01:32:52):
We were so close to having our channel.
We need to vet a a better person in the nearfuture.
We do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it would be a great opportunity forsomebody who is wants to break is a video
editor, wants a break in the golf, and wants tobe a part of something that could be big.
Because you heard it right from Todd.
Like yeah.
Todd's a huge fan of Buttsy.

(01:33:14):
So, I mean, right there, huge endorsement.
You know?
I don't know why.
So if somebody wants to be a part of it, reachout to us.
We'd love to hold that conversation with you.
Yeah.
Or we're just gonna wait, and we'll just get afucking robot.
Yeah.
We get one of these new robots.
Have you seen ChatGPT Operator?

(01:33:37):
I don't even wanna go down that rabbit holeright now.
We might be we might we might have more clipscoming in in the future because of this whole
thing, but, they can basically That's
exciting.
They can do real tasks now.
Oh, really?
It's in beta, but it can actually go in and,like, go into an AI-generated video clip and

(01:34:00):
take that.
I don't know what else from well
Just prompt it to do shit?
No.
It can download it.
And then from there, it can upload it to asocial media platform for you without you
having to do anything.
It could create the caption, the whole nineyards.
So it'll be interesting to see.
As long as it still feels, you know, authentic.

(01:34:23):
No.
Not for a while.
No.
That's why we won't use it for a while.
But, yeah.
We gotta wait for that.
Yeah.
We're we're gonna wait.
We want a real video editor, folks.
So, again, if you know anybody, let us know.
I think that's where we're gonna end ittonight.
I love it.
Let's let's hit that music.
What do you think, guys?
You Brent, you ready to dance?

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