Mike Glennie's Journey to the Arizona Skins Game

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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight we've got a special guest with us, Mr.
Mike Glennie.
We've also got our co-host Buttsy here.
It was weird.
I got multiple texts, and I'm like, did youguys see the episode last week?
Apparently not, because everybody was asking.

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They're like, is Buttsy still a co-host?
I was like, he absolutely is.
So that one award show that you went to, Ithink they thought you were taking off on us.
But tonight, we got a great show.
We got the tee off report with Buttsy.
We've got our special guest that we're gonnaget to know even better in Mike Glennie, the
Arizona skins game himself.
He is in the house.

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We're gonna talk some TGL championship, whichagain, I know that neither of you were
watching, so I will get into the TGL recap onthat one.
We've got the Valspar recap, and then we've gotthe upcoming Texas Children's Houston Open.
That's a mouthful.
But before we do dive into tonight's episode,upon just massive request from literally

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I gotta speak about the T-shirts real quickbecause they—I was skeptical at first because
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are nice.
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So let's get into our tee-off report withButtsy.
And, Buttsy, I know I didn't talk to you aheadof time about this one.
So I hope you're alright with this.
But what's your best advice for the golfergoing through money issues?

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Matt, I didn't read the show notes tonight.
So let's—okay.
So say that again.
Yeah.
So let's start that one again from the top.
So what's the best advice you have for a golfergoing through money issues?
Okay.
Got it.
This one's not that hard.

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I would find a—I would find a nice golf course,not too high-end, but something nice, probably
somewhere that you get free range balls, like,for when you play.
Right?
And something with an adjacent practice green.
Most of those places aren't gonna charge you orpay attention to you.
I would probably say dress somewhat nice,right, when you go out there, but they're not

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gonna pull you off of putting or chippinggreen.
You probably need to work on that the mostanyways.
And towards the end of the day, like twilighthours, when it's just that one guy out there
picking and there's nobody there, especially inthe summertime, you can probably just sneak
over and kinda be that asshole that hits freeballs every day too because there's a shitload
left on the range.
So yeah.
I mean, that's probably what I would do.

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And like I said, just look appropriate soyou're not a total scumbag.
Don't maybe don't ride your bike there.
Drive there.
Don't bring your bike out on the range withyou, and maybe don't bring a shag bag.
Just kinda chill and work on the short game andmaybe sneak over and steal a pile every now and
then.
That's what I would do.
You know, underrated working on the short game.

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It's the biggest part.
Gotta do it.
So if you're running into money issues, folks,go out there, use the short game facilities.
Don't be stealing range balls.
Trot golfer ran into that a few weeks ago witha guy trying to steal their range balls.
I don't know if he's got Pro V1s out there ornot, but man, don't be stealing those range
balls.
And then I would piggyback off of that, Buttsy,and I would say, you know, if you could make

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good buddies with somebody that works at thegolf course, you know, tip your outside
services, you know, $20, and certainly, youmight be able to play for free otherwise.
So especially in the my other.
Yeah.
Yep.
And don't steal my clubs.
Like, take somebody else's.
Yeah.

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It depends on how much the struggle's gone.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There it is.
What I mean, it's not that hard to practicegolf for free.
It's probably there.
Glennie, you got anything to add there as well?
I think that what you guys just talked about isvery ironic, because when you ask me any sort
of a question of how did I get into involvedwith golf, I definitely rode my bike to the

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driving range, definitely would purchase golfballs, pour them into a backpack, put the
backpack on my back, pedal my bike back acrossthe golf course to the house that I lived at,
and proceed to hit them into a pond.
I mean, that's awesome.
That's phenomenal.
Phenomenal.
So different strokes for different folks, Iguess.

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It really I'm
here for it.
If you're having money problems, I feel bad foryou, son.
I got 99 problems, but money ain't one.
That's not the one.
Stealing range balls ain't the one.
There you go.
Now, Glennie, let's get into you because,folks, we've got, and part of the reason why I
asked that question to Buttsy, right, and Iteed it over to you a little bit, Glennie, is

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because you told me, you're like, man, I'vegone from homelessness to running one of the
biggest games in Arizona, one of the biggestmoney games in Arizona.
And sure enough, I wanna ask you, but evenbefore we get into that story, take me through
how'd you get introduced to the game of golf?
How did I get introduced into golf?

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Summer of eighth grade.
Best friend at the time, still now, actually.
He was at my wedding.
Was at his.
Brett Reagan, big golf guy.
I was racing BMX, racing motocross.
He's like, hey, man.
When we get into high school, you should playon the golf team with me.
Like, get out of school early.
Get to play golf for cheap.
Like, yeah.

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Sounds brilliant.
I hate school, so sign me up.
Bring that to my dad.
Like, hey, Dad.
Wanna play golf?
You're gonna do what?
I'm gonna
play golf.
He proceeds to point to my several motorcyclesin the garage, my four BMX bikes hanging up.
Check, Mike.

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Golf's a rich man's sport.
There's no chance you're playing golf.
We don't have the money for that.
Hold my beer.
It's like that.
You got there's gotta be gotta be a way here.
He's like, alright.
I'll make you a deal.
I got a set of Lynx golf clubs over there inthe corner.
Haven't touched them in years.
If you can show me you're serious, you can takethose clubs and you can go and play golf.

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So fast forward, what does that entail?
Well, where I used to live, grew up inMurrieta, California.
Shout out Fowler.
Shout out Ricky Romano, Joe Skovron.
All the boys.
The boys.
Oh, yes.
Lived on a golf course called, at that time,SCGA.
Now it's Golf Club of Rancho California.
And this was in 1990, 1999.

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Ouch.
Lived directly across the street from the golfcourse.
In between where I lived and the golf coursewas a massive dirt field.
We'd go up there.
We'd, you know, launch model rockets, do this,that, and the other.
God, model rockets.
After my dad's a man after Buttsy's heart.
Forty-seven Coors Lights in a Saturdayafternoon with his buddies and some model

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rockets and some other debauchery.
He's like, hey.
See that rock in the middle of the pond outthere?
You hit that rock with a golf ball.
I'll give you my clubs.
You can go try out for the high school team.
Spent every day for the next probably twomonths.
I'd get on my 20-inch bicycle, I'd pedal a mileto the golf course, I'd give them my $2 for my

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junior large bucket, I'd pour the large bucketinto my backpack, I'd zip it shut, I'd pedal
home, drop my bike off, go up on top of thehill.
Mind you, I have no idea how to hit a golf ballat this point.
No idea.
Just pick it up, try to make the ball fly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I would get down on the ground, and I wouldtake the dirt and, like, you know, scoop some

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dirt up, make a little tee, throw the ball onthe tee, and just start sending it.
Started with a, you know, I don't remember whatclub, but obviously found out real quick the
one with the G on it probably not gonna go, youknow, two zero four.
One with the P is gonna go a little further,and then nine and the eight and the seven and
the six and literally wasted my life away outthere.
And one day, the stars aligned.
Smoked the rock, Pops passed over the set of1991 Lynx golf clubs with the Lynx staff bag

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that was all white.
Oh.
Have at it.
I'm like, alright.
Cool.
So now we're freshman year.
Tryouts are coming around.
I'm starting to roll to the range with theboys, and everyone's looking at my stuff.
Like, dude, what is this?
What what do you have?
My dad gave them to me.
So I get to talking with the crew, and they'relike, dude, these clubs are older than my

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grandpa, and they ain't it.
If you ever wanna try to play golf, thesearen't the clubs you need.
You need some graphite shafts, whatever thosewere.
You need a club head that's a little bitbigger.
You need a driver that's titanium.
So now we start wheeling and dealing.
Family business located next to Nevada Bob's.
I roll into my dad's office.

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I go next door to Nevada Bob's, where I've gonehalf of my life to just frolic around, grab
putters, hit some putts, leave them on theground, cause a ruckus.
Oh, yeah.
So I go on to the old Nevada Bob's.
Guy's name was Ray.
I'm like, Ray, here's what I got, dude.
What can you do for me?
I'm getting ready to try out for the golf team.
Everyone's laughing at me.
Says my stuff's a joke.

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He's like, go over there to that used club areaand have a look, see if you find anything.
So I go over there, dial up a set of TaylorMadeBurners with a Ti Bubble shafts.
Oh, the bubble shaft.
Bubble shafts.
We're talking full set, wedge in there, threewood, five wood, and a driver.
Big old driver, by the way.
Think it was about that big at the time.

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So I'm like, deal straight across.
Lynx staff bag, TaylorMade bag.
He's like, yeah.
And then I got a bag in the back you have.
Some little shitter.
Didn't have a stand that didn't have legs thatstood up.
I just drop it on the ground all the time.
So I take the clubs, go on my merry way, startstriping on the range, go out to try out for
the golf team.
Coach is like, yeah.
Great.

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We got a JV tryout over here at this golfcourse.
Give it a run.
Try out for the golf team, make JV, play atournament, get on varsity, play another couple
tournaments.
We're off and cooking.
Nice.
Parents get divorced, change schools, go playgolf at a different school.
Rest is history, boys.
Wow.

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Now take us into the future a little ways andtell me about the time you were living out of a
car and how you got from that point to nowwhere you're running the biggest skins games in
Arizona.
Oh, God.
I hope you guys got a I'm
just strapping in.
This one's gonna be a minute.

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I shouldn't have spilled my drink.
Eat a little ice there.
So this one's good.
You know what they what do they what's thatanalogy about a woman never let this all
started with a female.
Oh, no.
We're not
gonna shout her out.
She's not gonna be watching this.
I got a happy wife at home.

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We've moved on from that.
But we had a call it a relationship that wentflaccid, and I found out some information.
I was being cheated on, and which is fine.
But when we broke up Yeah.
Feel free.
I obviously was down a lot worse than I thoughtI was.

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And I kinda went on this just downhill spiralof it wasn't drugs, wasn't alcoholism, wasn't
anything.
It was just like
Sadness?
I I hate everybody.
I'm gonna do everything I can to make everybodynot like me.
I'm gonna burn every bridge I can, and I'mgonna fuck this up.

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Wow.
All of it.
And that's what I did.
One thing led to another, to another, toanother.
And it was really, I remember it likeyesterday.
Like, I didn't think it was that bad.
Right?
Because I'm caught up in all the webs of liesand the borrowing of money and the borrowing
from Peter to pay Paul and the manipulatingthis person to get shit from this person and

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vice versa.
And one day, I reached out to my youngestbrother.
Shout out Brock.
For those of you who don't really know me, myyoungest brother is a professional snowboarder.
He's on the U.S.
snowboard team.
That how you know Mace?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Mason Aguirre.
Wait.
I know Mason through Brock.
Is Mason the one that we played golf with?

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Couple of Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Cool, dude.
Brock and I have always been close.
He's 14 years younger than me, but we've alwaysbeen and nothing against any of my other
brothers that might be out there listening.
He's always been my best bud.
And I reached out to him one day and got noreply.
And I was like, alright.

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That ain't good.
Because it's one thing to lose your friends.
It's one thing to burn a couple bridges.
But when your family starts to go, there'sprobably an issue there.
Deal.
Deal.
Here we are.
No phone, no car, no money, no job, no friends,no family, nowhere to live.

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Tie them shoes tight because that's all yougot, Blair.
That's what we did.
We lived in misery for a little while and threwmy golf bag on my back when I woke up in the
morning at whatever outside area I decided torest at, and I'd walk to the nearest golf
course and still borrowing from Peter to payPaul.
I'm like, hey, you know, Jimmy, give me give me30 for the skins game.
Alright.
Cool, Glennie.

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I got you covered.
Just give me back when you're done.
Go out there, shoot my 63, make an eagle, sixbirdies, get a couple skins, throw those in my
pocket, and then disappear off into wherever Iwas gonna go with $181 in my pocket, to which
$10,000 of it was owed to other people.
But at the time, we didn't care.
Right.

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Hang on.
I gotta stop you for a second.
That's pretty damn cool that you didn't have acar, but you still owned your golf clubs.
Married to the game, bro.
Dude, just walking around with his golf clubs,just fucking did you use them as a pillow?
No.
No.
No.
Absolutely not.
I didn't use them as a pillow.
I couldn't risk breaking a shaft.
There's no chance I was gonna be able to payfor it.
That's insane.

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So when did that all of a sudden start kickinginto the right direction for you?
So here's where that was a rising action.
This is a climax.
One of my other good buddies, a guy by the nameof AJ Sherstrom, worked for GoPro for a long
time.
Now he does Cobra Pumas.
He's like their creative guy.
Yeah.
I've heard the name.

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Hits me up one day out of the blue.
He's like, hey.
A lady reached out to me from this coursecalled Cross Creek up in my hometown.
She wants me to come up and shoot some photosand some drone footage.
They're gonna use it for their social media.
She said, hey.
Bring a buddy.
We'll trade you out for some free rounds ofgolf.
Perfect.
Let me know if you're interested.
Like, yeah.
Sign me up.

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So roll up there, meet this girl.
She gives us a cart, and we're like, hey, youshould come out with us.
It'd probably look better than just one, youknow, having two of us hitting golf shots and
congregating and doing our thing rather thanjust one person.
So she comes out.
She hangs out with us.
We laugh.
We giggle.
We hit shots.
We do our thing.

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We leave.
Week goes by, that same girl, see her again, ata golf course where a skins game was that I
would walk to, that there is no chance thiswoman that I was like, you know, I potentially
could invest a little time here was gonna knowthat I had no friends, no family, no car, no
job, no money, no nothing.
So I play.
She plays.
She's playing with the dude.

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I'm like, okay.
Cool.
She's in a relationship.
That's probably for the better because I'm inno relationship with myself right now, let
alone anybody else.
Cook up another heater, boys.
Made a little made a little dore mi, and I'mlike, alright.
There's gotta be something we could do.
We see light right now.
If I see her again, I'm gonna shoot my shot.

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So mind you, at this time with the whole nophone thing, I actually had a phone, but I owed
Sprint six hundred.
I owed T-Mobile three forty.
I owed Boost Mobile a couple hundred bucks.
Every line's been disconnected.
I got no service.
Damn.
But I could poach Wi-Fi like a madman.
I was gonna say you it was it was this whenWi-Fi was around at least?

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Oh, we were I could tell I I could tell youright now.
You could have taken me anywhere within a20-mile radius of my hometown, and I could tell
you everywhere that you could pirate Wi-Fi fromfrom outside of their building.
That's amazing.
Jesus.
What up?
What up, Kyle?
That's me.
Give a shout-out to Kyle over at Carpon Guys.
Alright.

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So I log into some Wi-Fi.
I'm like, I'm gonna go on Instagram, and I'mgonna see what we got cooking.
You know, maybe she's on social media.
Maybe I'll just shoot my shot.
So yeah.
Shoot my shot.
Hey.
Yeah.
Cool.
Good to hear from you.
Blah blah blah blah.
We should play golf sometime.
Alright.

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Fast forward.
Next week, skins game.
I'm shooting my shot.
If I win some money, I'm shooting my shot.
Win a little cash, shoot my shot.
I'm like, let's go to the movies.
Mind you, I absolutely hate the movies.
Hate them.
Cannot stand the movies.
But I'm like in my head, I'm like, it's prettycheap.
It'll buy two and a half hours of time.
There's a chance that she might buy me somepopcorn and a drink.

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So we go to the movies.
I walked there, by the way.
We get done at the movies.
I'm like, yeah, cool.
Thanks.
That was so great.
Have a good night.
Alright.
I'll see you later.
She goes to her car.
I don't go to my car because I don't have one.
I just walk off into the dark.
Alright.
So now that we got the first date out of theway, and now that I know that this female is

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interested in me and I'm interested in her, Istill have to face myself as far as like, dude,
you're a broken-ass human.
Broken.
Broken and busted and no good for anybody andeveryone that knows you knows that.
So we ended up getting together again, and Ihad to have the, you know, I guess, face to

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face with myself and with her, and I'm like,look.
I enjoy the time we spend.
I enjoy the time we're spending together.
I enjoy you.
But, like, if I'm being serious, I'm a mess.
I'm literally homeless.
I'm broke as a joke.
I owe everybody money.
I've burned every bridge.

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My family hates me.
I'm cooked, pun intended.
Shout out, Matt.
Shout.
And this legendary human being looks at me andgoes, well, I have a car, and I have a job, and
I have a phone, and I have a little bit ofmoney.
So how can I help?

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Awesome.
You weren't in Scottsdale, were you?
That's a diamond in the rough in SouthernCalifornia.
Diamond in the rough, as you're well aware.
Pun intended.
Yeah.
So now that I got the diamond in the rough andshe bit, the whole homeless guy that's okay at
golf, that's all she knows about me at thispoint.

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And fast forward a little bit longer, I'm stillwalking around.
And I'm walking down Winchester Road inTemecula one day on my way to the golf course,
and I walk by a Pep Boys.
Out in front of this Pep Boys, I see a Lyftsign, like a Lyft drive, you know, drive a car
for us, blah blah blah blah blah.
So I roll into Pep Boys real quick on my way tothe course, still got a 45-minute walk, by the

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way.
But rolling, I'm like, hey, what's the old Lyftsign outside?
And they're like, oh, well, you know, you giveus a credit card and we basically give you a
car.
You just jump on the Lyft platform, you giverides.
If you do enough rides, your car is essentiallyfree.
Comes out of your pay, they don't tell youthat.
But if you don't, then it's coming off of thecredit card that you have on file.

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I'm like, okay, well, all know I don't have acredit card.
So I go play golf.
Yeah, we're going deep, Kyle.
I go play golf with her again.
We get done.
She's like, how was your morning?
I was like, good.
I feel like I found some light at the end ofthe tunnel.
You said you have a little bit of money.
I found a Pep Boys that is willing to give me acar if I give them a credit card.

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So we get done playing golf.
We roll to Pep Boys.
We go inside.
They're like, yeah, we can dial you in.
If she's willing to use your credit card, wecan get you a car.
But you need a phone that doesn't just connectto Wi-Fi.
Alright.
Now what?
So since she's been anonymous, I'll go aheadand tell you guys all now that she's my wife,

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and we've been together ten years.
Wow.
Victoria called her mom and she's like, mom,this deadbeat that I found myself involved with
that at this point I feel obligated to be withbecause I wanna be with him.
What can we do?
Mom's like, no sweat.
Go across to the Verizon right there, add himto the family plan, get him a new phone, go
back, get his car, send him on his merry way.

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I hope it helps.
Wow.
Fuck you.
Shit.
That night, wasn't a Lyft.
I was taking I had my own had my own wit had myown whip, had a brand new brand new Verizon
phone that I could, like, call people with.
And and I just logged twelve hours a day forevery day for a long time, just trading in and

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trading up.
As soon as my car would need some tires, I'dtake it back to them, they'd give me another
one, take it back to them, they'd me anotherone, take it back to them, they'd me another
one.
And then one day my mom called me and she'slike, hey, heard you're doing well.
And then my dad called me, he's like, hey, Iheard you're doing well.
And then all my brothers were hitting me up andBut dude, it was so hard.
Oh yeah.
It's one of those like instant gratificationthings, right?

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Where you have, like I had moments ofbrilliance.
I was like, I got a phone and I got a car, butI still have done a lot of people wrong.
And I left out some in that story.
A guy named Gary Templeton.
Any baseball people out there would know Gary,baseball legend.
We were playing one day, and this was kind ofin the middle of my downfall.

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He's giving me a ride home, and he's like, hey.
If I can give you any advice, I'm gonna giveyou two words that I hope will change your
life, and that's personal inventory.
He's like, you're getting eaten away at on theinside, and it's 100% on you to figure it out.
So he gives me this spiral-bound notebook, andhe's like, write down, start line by line, one

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through I don't care if there's 700 of them.
All the people you've done wrong, all thepeople you owe money to, go through there,
check it off one by one by one by one by one.
Everyone you check off, you'll start to feelbetter.
So that demons.
Correct.
That was in the middle of my rock bottom, andme committing to starting to date my now wife
was I had to get through this notebook.

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So, you know, whether it was as soon as Iearned a hundred bucks, I Venmoed this person
$20.
I made the phone call of, hey, man.
I know you're never gonna answer this phonecall because I'm dead to you, but this is a
voicemail for me letting you know I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that I lost sight of myself.
I'm sorry that I became the human that Ibecame.
I hope one day you'll understand people canchange.
They won't be that way forever.

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And boys, it was the hardest four-year run ofmy life.
And yeah.
So I feel like you could write a song aboutthis probably.
I think it's a pretty good country song.
I've been told to write a song.
I've been told to write a book.
I've been told to go on a podcast and tell mystory.

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What type of time frame are we talking here?
Like, as like, from boom to, oh, and then backup and here, like, what are we, like, three
years, two,
three years?
We rode rock bottom pretty hard for about ayear and a half.
Oh.
Damn.
Yeah.
But boys, like, looking back now, right, nowthat life is good, I have nothing to complain

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about.
I'm sure there's still some people out therethat are like, yeah, this guy sucks.
That's great.
That's fine.
I'm a better person now today because of youfeeling that way.
So it's fine.
Glennie, you can't please them all, buddy.
You can't
please them all.
But my wife moved out here to play some golf.
She was playing on the Cactus Tour, and wetried to do like a year apart.
And she's like, hey.

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I'm moving to Scottsdale.
I'm like, okay.
Cool.
Have fun.
I'm still trying to get my life together.
Mind you, at this time, I've now repaired myrelationship with my pops.
I'm crashing the guest bedroom at my pops'.
Got my rental car outside.
Life is good.
Yeah.
So wife moves out here.
We spend a year apart and got to the pointwhere it was like, alright, I either need to

(26:48):
move to Scottsdale to be with you there, or wegot to break up just because it's nothing to do
with you.
It's not you, it's me.
It's me being selfish in that I feel like Iowed it to her to be present in her life when
she arguably brought me back from the dead, ifthat makes sense.

(27:08):
So I moved out here, spent a year out herebouncing around, kind of found the skins games,
playing at Kenny Mac, playing at Papago.
That's when I met you probably pretty, yeah,pretty soon after that.
Yeah.
You were just starting to come out here.
And this is where we'll get into, if we'reready to jump there, kind of how the skins game

(27:29):
thing came about.
Yeah.
Let's do that.
So the game, what is now Arizona Skins, Ipersonally didn't create.
The game has been around for about 18, 20years.
Guy by the name of Jesse.
Shout out, Jesse.
You know where you're at.
I hope you're doing well, my man.
We all, the whole golf community, appreciateyou.

(27:52):
Jesse ran the game, and I played in it often.
What's Jesse's last name?
Dude, I'm drawing
an abs Burghard?
Burghard?
Yeah.
Burghard.
Yeah.
Burghard.
Dude, he started way back when I was playingmini tours out here.
I played alongside him in a few rounds, and heended up starting up a mini tour called the
Mini Tour that literally only lasted a coupleevents, I feel like.

(28:16):
Mike, I'm gonna give you a compliment here,man.
And just like your wife probably saw in you,dude, just like when I first met you, anybody
out there that's hating on you or you wrongedin the past, you got kind of a genuine nature
about you that definitely resonates with me.
And so appreciate you for that, dude.
So I think I appreciate you guys.

(28:36):
And, honestly, I mean, I
Yeah.
Just hope a couple of people that are listeningto this or if this ever gets out to anybody, if
you're down bad, just believe in yourself.
Never give up.
Like, life is so, so, so damn hard.
And yeah.
You're gonna get your shit kicked in a lot morethan you're gonna want to.

(28:57):
But you surround yourself with the rightpeople, you believe in yourself, you continue
to move forward, put one foot in front of theother, life can change, life can change.
Yeah.
It's funny how those lifelines just kinda popup out of the blue sky, though.
Right?
Like, and it's probably because you're notgiving up.

(29:18):
So yeah.
Yeah.
You're not giving up.
And it was kinda refreshing because, I mean,with my, you know, my wife Victoria, like, her
parents have been married her whole life.
And both my parents have been divorced onmultiple occasions.
I got brothers from other mothers, which Iwouldn't trade for anything.
I got sisters from other mothers, which Iwouldn't trade for anything.
But growing up, like, people ask me where'shome?

(29:40):
Like, Murrieta, California, I spent the most ofmy time there.
But yeah.
Like, dude, the amount of floors I slept on,the amount of couches I slept on, the amount of
apartments my mom had, the amount ofgrandparents, the amount of everywhere all the
time, never knowing really where home was.
Mhmm.
I think a lot of that, like, helped with metrying to come back from the dead because it

(30:02):
kind of instilled that dog in me, that whole,like, fight or flight.
Like, what's for dinner tonight?
I'm not sure.
Mayonnaise and mustard sandwiches.
That's actually a true thing.
Like, my mom was down bad when I was little,and my brother and I would just smack
mayonnaise and mustard sandwiches.
And now thinking back to it, I'm like, dude,there is literally I don't think there is any
nutritional value in a mayonnaise and mustardsandwich.

(30:25):
None.
No.
None.
Like, I literally I probably would have beenbetter off just eating handfuls of sand.
I can relate.
That's why I got fat when food becameplentiful.
Plentiful.
I was like, fuck this shit, dude.
We're gonna eat now, boy.
Top Ramen, macaroni, and cheese.
We were we were wild.

(30:46):
God.
How many of the audience is crying now?
You guys have
I know.
Right?
Yeah.
I didn't mean come on.
Absolute tearjerker so far.
I've I've got a little tear in the corner of myeye, Glennie.
You got me going here.
But how much do you just owe right now?
How do I word that?
Jesus has righted all of his wrongs andhopefully had most of his sins forgiven, and

(31:12):
Jesus has turned over a new leaf, boys.
Yeah.
I'm getting sidetracked.
There it is.
Getting sidetracked.
Skins game.
Jesse Burghardt, Outlaw Tour.
Had the Outlaw Tour.
Outlaw Tour was dialed, him and a guy namedToph Peterson.
Big break.
Toph.
Toph Peterson and then Corey Powell, I think,was in there with them for a little while.

(31:36):
They were up and cooking.
They had the skins game, and they had a coupledifferent days.
One day, they were at Silverado.
One day, they were at Papago.
One day, they were at Kenny Mac.
And at this time, apparently, they were atMountain Shadows.
I never played it then.
And Jesse Burghardt was going through life,man.

(31:57):
Some life came at him quick, and the timing wasjust kind of right.
He stepped away from golf.
The game went extinct.
A handful of people that I was surroundingmyself with at that time were like, hey.
Any idea what happened with Jesse?
Any idea what's going on with the skins game?
And since he and Toph were partners in Outlaw,I reached out to Toph, and I'm like, hey, man.

(32:19):
What's the scoop with the game?
And he's like, we got no courses, no one to runit.
I'm like, I'm here for it.
What do you need?
Fucking do it.
Yeah.
What do I need to do?
He's like, oh, we just gotta negotiate a ratewith the course, we gotta do this, and we gotta
do that.
And, you know, skins game, gross.

(32:40):
First five, final five, birdie streak,baseball, couple side games.
Did they turn over, like, an email list to youor anything to, like, reach out to all the
boys, or did you kinda know everybody by then?
No.
We've never been an email list crew.
We've always been just raw.
Just it's here's
the underground, baby.
Yeah.
Here's here's where we play.
If you wanna play, call the shop, book a time.

(33:01):
Please put your first and last names on yourgoddamn scorecard so I know who you are.
Buttsy, do you realize that we did that twoago?
I saw the post from you.
I go, oh, fuck.
We we were one of those groups.
Just put Buttsy on there.
I mean, who knows that?
Josh.
Matt.
Very Josh, Matt, Mike.
Very, very, very rare names.

(33:23):
There's not very
many others.
I felt bad when I saw that Instagram story thatyou posted.
You were you were not happy.
Dude, I just it's hard, man, because I have toplay devil's advocate.
Right?
Like, you get all these people in my DMs thatare like, oh, DQ them.
DQ them.
Just throw their card away.
DQ them.
DQ them.
Like, yeah.
That's easier for you to say because the onlyperson in your DMs is your dog.

(33:45):
Like, I'm getting 20 to 30 pieces of hate mailin this DM chat about, hey, man.
Why haven't you posted scores in a couple days?
I don't know.
Do you really?
Because I work 45 hours a week and have a lifeoutside of running what is now the biggest
skins game in Arizona.
Yeah.
Do people really sweat you?
Like
Dude, bro.
You should see the post, man.

(34:06):
These people give them shit.
It's
crazy.
Come over to your house one night.
We're gonna crack open a bottle of whiskey.
We're gonna cook a couple steaks with our lifepartners, and we're gonna just go through DMs.
This sounds awesome.
And hopefully respond.
We might live-stream it.
Oh, that's a great idea.
We should live-stream all the chats, and weshould just create responses.

(34:30):
This is an entire live-stream show.
All these people that think they're out herejust in hiding, you're gonna be exposed.
Oh, that's what we're all about.
Oh, I love that.
I absolutely love that.
Damn.
That's crazy.
I didn't realize.
I mean, I can understand, like, I would eventhink I'd text you and say, hey.
Anything on the game last night?

(34:51):
Made some birdies, but not like I don't give afuck what some other group did if they put
their name on it.
Like, whatever.
And I get it.
Right?
You're paying money.
You wanna see how you did.
You wanna know if you're gonna make a life, youknow, make a life-changing amount of money.
You're not, and you're not.
And a lot of times, it's the guy that made$0.00.
That's like, hey.
Did my birdie on three hold up?

(35:12):
No, sir.
I'm sorry.
Did not.
But I hope you'll make a one next time youplay.
Oh, dude.
That's so worse.
Come out and support us.
Now I will admit, because it's underground, Ifirst found out about the games through Bobby
Brown, PGA Tour caddie.
Yep.
Who all of a sudden I'm like he startedbringing it up on the show.
It's like, hey, have you heard about that gamethat goes on to where you play?

(35:35):
Because I used to tell him about MountainShadows and how I had a crew out there and we
go out and play.
He's like, you gotta start playing in some ofthe skins.
And the first time I went out and I called upthe shop and I'm like, hey, can I get a skins
time?
And they're like, yeah, sure.
What time do you want?
You playing with a group?
I'm like, no, I'm just by myself.

(35:56):
And so coming into the shop, like and I've beenaround golf a long time.
Like, was a little intimidated coming in thereall of a sudden, who do I give my money to?
Because I'm sure I'm not gonna win anythingright now.
That homeless guy over there in the corner, helooks trustworthy.
And you got your dog with you and everything,and and you really brought kind of the home

(36:16):
type of feel to it.
And then I felt really comfortable after that.
Yeah.
So I hit up Toph and I'm you know, got withToph and I was like, hey, I'm here for it.
Let's fire it up.
He's like, alright.
Let me I'm busy with now Asher to her becausethey merged.
I'm gonna be doing that.
Consider me the the main main bullycommissioner acting, you know, acting partner

(36:40):
as far as if push comes to shove and we need toregulate and have the shot caller come into the
DMs and handle something for good, he'll he'llcome in there.
Shout out Warren G.
Shout out Nathan.
Yeah.
So we were just grinding the Mountain Shadows,man.
Par-3 par-3 course, just kind of doing it raw,put a couple scoreboards up on the windows in

(37:02):
the pro shop, you'd go out, pay your money,play your game, give me your scorecard, I'd
write the results up on the wall, have 30people over my shoulder, did I win, did I win,
did I win, did I win, did I win?
And then I heard a handful of people kind of,you know, concerned, and there were rumors on
the street of, you know, in years past, theseguys have cheated.

(37:22):
This guy's cheated.
These people would cheat.
These guys would sit in there and look atthey'd get the first tee time and look at the
scores and then send a message to their buddyin the last tee time who would say, hey.
This hole's open.
And so I kinda sat back, I'm like, alright.
Maybe it's time we go electronic.
And here's where we have another great one.

(37:44):
I get all these people.
You need to use Golf Genius.
You need to use this.
You need to use that.
You need to it's not free.
It is not free.
Everybody has great ideas.
Yeah.
It is not free.
It is not your game.
You are a player.
You aren't the guy that runs it.
I appreciate your advice.
I appreciate you wanting to help.
I got it.

(38:06):
So a buddy of mine, a member that I spent a lotof time with in Utah, created an Excel
spreadsheet with some formulas and basicallyjust switched everything to electronic, pick
your names in the computer.
And we were off and running.
We were like 15 people, then 20, then 25, then30, then 35, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90.
We've had a hundred.

(38:27):
Then last, I think it was last year.
Last year, I got hit up out of the blue.
Shout out Mays.
I guess Golf Digest reached out to maybeKartBarn guys, maybe Papago, Kyle Mays.
And we're like, hey.
We wanna do a write-up on kind of the talent inScottsdale and how it's become the, you know,

(38:49):
kind of the Jupiter vibe as far as like a bunchof pros, bunch of pros.
pros. Yeah.
It is.
Yeah.
Big game.
mean, you know, I wanna stop you for one secondbecause you'll see PGA Tour guys coming through
all the time.
I saw Andrew Putnam out there several times,Jon Rahm before he went to LIV was out there.

(39:11):
I mean, you've had just like a plethora ofplayers that are constantly playing in the
skins games, which is all I mean, that's prettysweet if you ask me.
And that's the thing is like so even beforethis whole Golf Digest article, it was like a
six-page article that they did.
And they, you know, they interviewed me andasked and wanted to know all the details and

(39:32):
this, that, and the other.
And we went like the broad version of it, butthey interviewed a handful of people.
They interviewed me.
I gave them all the logistics of the game, kindof what we're about, the platform that we've
created and we try to give everybody on aweekly basis, and ran with it.
And then after that, I started getting hit upby random people.
I'd have a guy show up for the Tuesday game,and he's like, hey, man, you know, I saw your

(39:57):
article in Golf Digest, a buddy and I flew infrom Vermont just to check the game out.
We're here for a business thing for two days,but we wanted to come check the game out
because it just sounded cool.
And it's just I'm grateful.
I'm grateful that we've got a good gig going.
We're now at Grass Clippings at Rolling Hillson Wednesday nights too.

(40:19):
Shout out to the Hazeltine boys and Pete andeverybody down there for being accommodating
and letting all the minions that I have outthere every Wednesday run an absolute high
noon game.
High noon muck on the joint from 5:00 to 9:00.
But it's been good, man.
We
It is awesome.
The coolest part is, like, you never know youliterally never know who's gonna play.

(40:45):
Because I get everybody from, like Mattie wassaying, you know, Jon Rahm to a hamster
salesman at Petco.
Is that a dude?
Like hell of
a player too, by the way,
The guy's done.
The hamster done?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really good.
But there's no we say no to nobody.

(41:06):
Like, I hate to put Jon Rahm on blast.
Jon Rahm hasn't made a lot of money in the oldskins game.
No.
Terrible.
Tell you what, we've got some boys out therethat have figured it out.
Course record course record of Mountain Shadowsis 11.
Yeah.
What did you say in Grass Clippings?

(41:26):
Design.
Patrick Flavin.
Monday Mister Monday Qualifier, more logos onhis chest than Jimmy Gunn in 2008.
Well, I love you, Jimmy.
Not possible.
Who was it in the Shad's?
Was it Feagles?
It was Calkins.
Oh, Brady Calkins.
I don't know if any of you guys watching orlistening to know that name.

(41:47):
Brady is.
Go ahead and go on Google and type in BradyCalkins, and you'll have a laugh.
So Brady's got it, and Will Bateman has it.
Will.
Yeah.
I believe Will, I believe someone shot 11 witha bogey.
I think that's Will, wasn't it?
Yeah.
I think it's Will.
Yeah.

(42:07):
And then Patrick, Griffin Wood had it at GrassClippings.
He shot eight under with me in a downpour.
And then this past summer, when I was up inUtah, Patrick Flavin made seven birdies, a hole
in one, and might have been eight birdies, ahole in one, one bogey.

(42:28):
Wild.
I believe it was seven birdies and an ace.
you are allowed to play.
Shot a little nine red, and that's stillholding up.
And we've had some guys come for his neck.
Had Kevin Na.
Had some LIV love out there a couple weeks ago.
Had Kevin Na out there.
Yeah.
I think it's like Yoo Bin Jang or something.
That's right.
Bin Jang.
Yeah.
Joo Bin Joo.

(42:49):
Joo Bin Jang.
My god.
I'm having PTSD from when I was in China.
Tell you what.
Or that Korean script we read earlier.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan of—well, we're not—I don't thinkwe're gonna go here, but
You're a big fan of

(43:09):
I'm a big fan of the little bit of time I didhave to spend in China, but I will never ever
ever go back to that country ever again.
Ever.
I'd love to get into that later.
Yeah.
Sounds amazing.
I'll circle back.
I smuggled my way into Canada, and I spent ahandful of weeks in China.
And the whole time I was there, I was—life'shard in China, boys.

(43:33):
How'd you get from Canada to China?
You're a long train.
Like, what did we do?
What?
Were you in the landing gear?
Was it one of those deals?
Like
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
So we're getting it we're getting it mixed up.
I went to China legally, but I did fly there ona plane by myself to go caddy for a buddy that
was over there.
And I don't know if you guys have ever, I mean,we've all had some dumb ideas, but one of the

(43:56):
more dumb ideas aside from burning every bridgein my life and abandoning my family and
everything else I've done was agreeing to boarda flight to China as a six-foot-four white male
alone.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm like, yeah.
Sure, dude.

(44:16):
Sounds good.
I'll go to L.A.
to the Chinese consulate and get my visa andget my passport and get my this and get my that
and book my flight and get on a plane and flyto China and not know anything.
Get to China.
I'm like, oh, my phone doesn't work.
No shit.
You're in a third-world country.
Oh, my debit card doesn't work.
Yeah.
There's no Wells Fargo in China.
Oh, this McDonald's menu is not in English.

(44:37):
Yeah.
Strange.
Oh, I ate bacon, and it made me shiteverywhere.
Yeah.
It's not bacon.
Oh, I drank orange juice, and I'm sick.
Yeah.
It's not orange juice.
Oh, I've been here for a week, and I'm sick,and I've been sick every day.
And I mean, Buttsy, I don't know what directionwe go on this podcast.
I don't wanna get too into detail because wecan go down a rabbit hole.

(45:00):
But China
is interesting.
Opened it up.
I think you've opened the door to where I thinkwe're immersed in your story to where, you
know, I love the China story already, and Iwanna know. Have you
Have you ever
heard the phrase shitting through the eye of aneedle?
Yeah.
No.
I've done that myself.
I've more frequently.
And I did it so poorly in China that I thoughtI was gonna die.

(45:28):
You're even more rugged now, though, because ofit.
Right?
But, dude, it was weird because I had no idea.
I just went to the continental breakfast at thehotel the first morning I was there, and I'm
like, oh, yeah.
Bacon, eggs, orange juice sounds great.
Have a little bacon, have a little eggs, have alittle orange juice.
Dude, the fear of God went through myinternals.
Think spontaneous combustion, butinstantaneously.

(45:51):
Well, I mean, when it sounds like, you know,the neighborhood dog pound in the back, you
probably got something to worry about.
Right?
Like, there's meows in the pit.
There are pet cats.
They're not pets, though.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm 100% certain the amount of time Ispent there.
I ate dog.
I ate cat.
I ate, you know, goat.
I probably ate hamster and whatever else I ate.

(46:14):
People.
Who knows?
The one thing I will give that country is theirgolf courses are absolutely pure.
Really?
Pure as pure gets.
Yeah.
Dude, we played this golf course called TheHidden Tiger.
My geography in China is not very good.
It's a big place, but this course was built ona private island for China's elite, and the

(46:39):
only way you get there is via boat.
So, like, we're posted up at this Crowne Plaza.
You go down the steps from the Crowne Plaza,get on this little thing of like a dinghy, but,
like, the fancy Chinese version of a dinghywith, yeah, 20 other guys from the tour.
Dinghy whips you across this massive lake,pulls you up to a dock.
You get off this dock.

(47:00):
There's people there.
Grab your clubs.
You roll in.
You check in.
They're like, yeah.
Cool.
There's a PGA Tour China event here.
You guys are playing here in the next fivedays.
Practice rounds start today.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Sounds great.
Sounds pretty mint.
Do they serve the glizzies at the turn?
Like, what are they doing?
Have
You might wanna stay away from glizzies.
Don't do glizzies at the turn.
They do dizzies at the turn.

(47:20):
It's dog meat.
Oh.
But they do have it shaped into a hot dog typething, literally.
No pun intended.
If I'm being 100% honest with you, I can't sayI ate a glizzy in China.
I know I wanted spaghetti, and it came out as,like, a dessert type thing, like sweeter than

(47:42):
blast shitting yourself every day, it soundslike.
Correct.
Wow.
Correct.
And no dude wipes.
We're talking single ply at best.
We're talking caddying, a lot of miles walked.
Rubbing and rolling.
Yeah.
A lot of a lot of boxers stayed in China.

(48:02):
Underneath the trash.
Dude.
Yeah.
We did it.
I love it.
We went there.
We came.
We conquered.
And we shit violently.
Talking about leaving boxers behind, shout outMountain Shads at a pair of boxers were left
off of the last year.
Some dirty boxers were left in the bushes offof Hole Number I think it was 15 or 16?

(48:26):
I've done that.
They were never recovered.
They they were buried by the staff underneathsome leaves.
So you left boxers there?
No.
Oh, they were just there?
I did We
we went and somebody had a tough time outthere.
And just just let it rip and left those boxersbehind.
We believe it might have been from a skinsgame.

(48:47):
Highly likely.
I've done that.
I've done that just out to eat at dinner somany times.
It's not even funny.
And what you do is you just pull the trash outin the bathroom and you put them under the
trash and then put it, yeah.
But
That's the other thing about the games.
It's like, and again, I'm not complaining atall because I'm grateful.

(49:09):
I love all my people that are loyal to us, thatplay every week, that show up, that tough out
the weather, always come in with a smile,always pet my dog, always say hi to my wife,
always take care of the outside staff.
The game is better because of all of you.
But all the people that keep pissing in thebushes, facing the backyard.
Oh, yeah.
You can't do that out there.
You listen, guys.

(49:29):
If we're talking Mountain Shadows.
Yep.
I don't know if you need a geographical lesson.
Paradise Valley, the town that the golf courseis located in, is surrounded by homes.
Not a lot of young people live there.
Not a lot of poor people live there.
Not a lot of people that work full time livethere.
They are retired.

(49:50):
They have made it.
They are sitting at home on their couch,looking out their window, trying to watch you
pee.
It's weird.
I know.
I don't get it.
Stop pissing in the bushes, please.
Yeah.
This is a real thing.
They call up every time.
The golf shop gets a call, then I getreprimanded for another grown man pissing

(50:16):
facing a house.
Turn the other way.
There's a solution to bathroom?
Like, if you really can't, like, is there aballoon that goes into a bag you can kinda just
like, do they have that?
Dude, we were talking about that.
We need a catheter that, like, there's a bagunderneath, like, by the battery that you just
attach.
They make them.
It'd be cool.
If there's a glory hole, right?

(50:37):
Like, in the fat pocket of your bag, and youjust creep up to it, like, you're washing your
clothes and just thunk and piss.
Yeah.
They make, like, off-road racing guys, guysthat race, like, desert motocross guys just
slide it on their hog, run it down their leg,put it through a little port in the bottom of
the floorboard, and let her go.
There you go.
But it's really not that hard.

(50:57):
It's not.
No.
And
I think we just prepared them, though.
I have to think I was gonna
more discreet.
I would lay down in a bunker.
I did that a few times.
You dig a little hole, and, like, you're kindof obscured.
And you just kinda go and then just, like,cover it up like a cat and get out of there.

(51:18):
It's actually crazy.
Like a litter box.
Well, nobody can see you in there either.
You pick the right lip, you know, and you justlay down.
There's a video I'll send you.
I did this and that.
Or you just walk into a lake, like, above yourwaist and just do it like you're at a community
pool and just do that.
You know?
Because then there's no like, I'm not peeing.

(51:39):
I'm I'm just in here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I believe Kyle was the one who did the editingon that video.
He says there's a how-to video on that.
But
There is.
Yeah.
It's not it's not like a go-to.
There's a lot better ways.
But, like, if you're really without a paddle,like, it's not a bad play.
Dude, that's it seemed like terrible advice inthe beginning.
By the end of it, it's quite solid advice,actually.

(52:01):
Yeah.
I'll just don't do that at Mount Chad, thosefolks.
It's kinda strange.
While we're on the topic of just pissing on thegolf course facing the houses, it is kinda
strange when you're a kid.
Right?
Like, you just piss yourself and you're like,mom, I peed.
And then as you become an adult and you pissyourself, it's like embarrassing or it's
frowned upon.
Why is that?
I don't know.

(52:21):
It's a great question.
But like Austin said, take a coach, get down onone knee and whip it out and piss.
All right, move to.
Onward.
Onward and upward.
There is a restroom out there, by the way, andit kinda sits in the middle of the damn golf
course.
You know, just kinda plan out your pissaccordingly.
Right behind the green on 6, just right at thetee on 13.

(52:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just fucking
drive over to it.
Like, you're never that far from it.
Or they have 15-foot-tall hedges surroundingthe golf course.
Go in the hedges.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just don't do it in front of the freakinghouse.
And I know exactly what you're talking aboutbecause I've heard those guys talk about it so
often that they call the shop every singletime, like, and you don't get away with it by

(53:06):
the way.
So like, it's wild.
What's the wildest thing you've seen to datesince we're talking about people calling in and
talking about people pissing?
Wildest thing I've seen to date.
On a golf course for
At a skins game.
Oh.
Let's keep it to a skins game because on a golfcourse, there's I was in China.

(53:26):
Yeah.
I mean, knock on wood, we don't we don't haveany, like I haven't had any fistfights or any
of that kind of shit.
I've had guy you know, some guys yell at eachother.
Just hammered hammered drunk.
And I did I did last season.
So I had a buddy who's now a coworker of mineup at Silverleaf, Trent Wallace, some of the

(53:49):
biggest calves in the game.
Trent came out and played Shadows, and we're onfive, and the group on six tee makes a one on
six, kind of a front left pin.
They're screaming, yelling, hip hip hooray.
I made a hole in one.
Gonna get a skin.
Trent comes up with the hole in my beard.
We get to six tee, he hoops it

(54:09):
Oh, no.
To cut to cut the guy.
Oh, no.
So he's absolutely devastated, right, knowingthat he just made a one and he cut the guy, and
now he's still gotta buy drinks.
And so he's moping along.
We play seven, we play eight, we play nine,ten, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
We get to 15 tee.
Dude, the guy makes another one.
He made two ones, same round, six and fifteen.

(54:32):
15 ended up being a skin, which
That's fucking crazy.
Yeah.
And it's that's another thing, is the amount ofpeople that hit me up.
They're like, dude, how bad do people cheat?
There's a hole in one at your game at MountainShadows almost every single Tuesday.
The average hole is 12 yards.
There's a lot of good players.
Like, that shit's a lot
of good players.

(54:52):
You have 40 of my players that, a, either playon a tour, have status on a tour, are a PGA
Tour winner, are a major champion, are a minitour legend, have a handicap below plus 2.7777,
and
And they got a wedge in there.

(55:12):
If you give 40-plus people 18 wedge shots timesfour people in a group, you get where I'm going
with this.
One of them's probably gonna go
in the hole.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No doubt.
So if you think they're cheating, there's notcheating.
And if there is cheating, I'll find out.
And if I find out, you ain't coming back.

(55:34):
Have you had to kick people out?
I haven't had to.
Yeah.
I'm kinda.
I haven't had to, like, literally go and grabyou by your teeth and be like, hey, sir.
It's time for you to vacate the premises.
I've had a there's just some miserable people,man.
It's again, it's sad.
Right?

(55:55):
Because I've been there.
I've been a miserable person.
I know what it's like to only, like, all Iwould want to do is just bring people down, and
you don't see the greater good in anything, andyou think everyone has malicious intentions,
and you think everyone oh, how come Glenniedoesn't post his skins amounts on the Instagram
results?
Is he trying to hide something?

(56:16):
No.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I don't post them because I don't know if MattCook wants Josh Butler and Mike Glennie to know
how much money he just made for his skin forhis own safety.
I don't wanna Or
to know or to know that he was out there even.

(56:37):
Yeah.
Correct.
Don't need people.
I don't know.
I see a lot of different people on Tuesday anda lot of different people on Wednesday.
I don't know what those people's stories are.
I don't know who's ducking out of work.
I don't know who's borderline going through adivorce that told his wife he's gonna eat
carrot cake for his stepkid, when in reality,he's gonna drink eight High Noons and play
golf, and then he makes a one, then he makesmoney for it.
I don't It's nobody's business.

(56:58):
What happens.
Yeah. You
You
need to know, send me a DM.
I'll send you a picture of the money bag.
You can count it out yourself, and you'll knowjust exactly how much that person made.
Or better yet, come play yourself.
It's really ironic.
The people that are always talking shit are theones that don't play.
Really?
So they are the ones that play and the onesthat have never ever made a penny, and all they
do is just complain.

(57:19):
Ignorance.
Luckily, I don't have very many of those.
But at the same time, the people that complainthat I end up talking with other people about,
they're like, yeah.
They've been that way for a long time.
So, we're better off with that.
Yep.
Yes, sir.
So shout out to the 99.79% of my players thatare absolute gems.
I appreciate you guys.
Arizona golf is better because of you guys.

(57:41):
Your golf games are better because of you guys.
I hope you enjoy playing.
We wouldn't be who we are without you.
Used to see this guy, he'd come out and play,but now he works too much.
Yeah.
Good old Buttsy over here.
He's got a real job too.
It fucking sucks.
But it does.
Yeah.
Someday, Buttsy, we'll be back out there.

(58:01):
Someday.
I'm gonna get out there on Wednesdays more,man.
Yeah.
And that's something that was fun when we wentout there.
However, I did I've I stayed there until likeOh
my which is
a problem.
If you come off of 18 and you end up at theGlenrosa bar there, you're gonna
No.
No.
We went back out and kept playing.
That's what happens.
Go to Glenrosa to get another round, andthey're like, hey.

(58:21):
First tee looks open.
We should probably go play again.
And then the lights are still on, then you lookat your phone and you're like, alright, it's
2:05 in the morning on a Thursday morning.
I'm absolutely belligerent.
Gotta get an Uber.
Yeah.
That.
Yep.
Yeah.
That happens.
Contemplate calling in sick the next day.
Can't do it.
Gotta show up.
Hurt locker.
Yeah.
Have to show up.
Can't call in sick.

(58:41):
Been there.
Just absolutely grind through the day.
And that was a hell of a next day too.
I mean, I had meetings, it was wild.
So as we talk about this damn skins game.
So you've got Mountain Shadows on Tuesdays.
That game starts like, what are the what's thetee time block for people?

(59:03):
Mountain Shadows 10:30 to 2:00.
to
2.
On Tuesday.
Okay.
You call, I repeat, you call.
And be nice.
Pick up
your phone.
To the people.
I heard that last year.
Call the golf and you book a tee time.
Yeah.
And I don't know who raised you.
I hope you were all raised by semi-decentpeople.

(59:25):
Be nice.
We don't have Arizona skins without the golfcourses that host us.
Yep.
And when my players call the golf shop and theyask for a tee time from k.
Hey.
You got any tee times open for the skins game?
No, man.
We don't.
We're full.
If they tell you we're full, we're full.

(59:47):
Yep.
I'm sorry.
They're a public golf course.
They have tee times before us.
They have tee times after us.
They're full.
It's not their fault.
It's not.
It's not their fault.
It's not my fault.
It's actually your own fault.
Because if you would have called three daysago, you would have had a time.
But when you try to call the day of, two hoursbefore tee times start, and they tell you it's

(01:00:11):
full, don't be a dick.
Because I hear about it.
Yeah.
I hear about it Tuesday, and I hear about itWednesday, and then I have to go on damage
control.
And I have to be the one that goes, oh, I'm sosorry.
I will make another post.
I will try to figure out who it is.
I will try and kiss their ass so that we don'tget kicked out of their golf course and no

(01:00:32):
longer allowed to have a game there.
And that's the unfortunate thing, guys, is thatpeople don't understand, like, these people
don't need us.
They don't need us to be there to play the gameat a discounted rate to where we're given PGA,
anyone who's, you know, status on any tour oranyone that's a PGA member.

(01:00:53):
This is a great one.
Would you let Bernhard Langer play the
game?
He's calling him Langer.
That's even better.
Langer can come with his wanker and play in mygame anytime he would like.
Will you?
Because that belly putter will get absolutelycooked by 90% of the guys that play my game.

(01:01:13):
Oh, yeah.
There it is.
Bernhard.
Bernhard.
If Bernhard showed up at Grass Clippings at 7p.m.
on a Wednesday night, for one, I don't thinkhis eyes are that good because he's always
asking his caddie where his ball went.
No caddies allowed.
No.
No caddies allowed.
We don't have extra room in a cart.
If you want your caddie, you gotta walk.
And yeah.

(01:01:35):
Tell Bernhard to bring the smoke.
I'll take Bernhard as anchor putter.
Love it.
And then, obviously, Grass Clippings, thatstarts at what time?
Yeah.
So Mountain Shadows only runs during thewinter.
We shut that one down during the summer becausewhat does
Grass Clippings go all year?
Grass Clippings goes all year.
Yeah.
Toph Peterson takes over during the summertime.

(01:01:55):
Evening tee times, still 104 degrees, but it'scooler than 125.
Hell, yeah.
I didn't know this.
Yeah.
Grass Clippings is every Wednesday night.
First tee time is 5:00, last tee time is 9:00.
That's when I go out.
So, again, since we're on the whole remindingplayers of everything, I tee off at 9 p.m.
on a Wednesday.
If you're going out at 5 or 5:10 or 5:20 or5:30 or 5:40 or 5:50, hurry up.

(01:02:22):
Mhmm.
Hurry up.
If you need to mark your ball when you hit itsix inches by to get a good look at it, you
should probably not be playing in stroke play.
Oh, and you're not gonna have the results doneat 2:30 in the morning once you get done?
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Hey.
By the way, do you know if my birdie held on14?
Stand by.
Let me go through these 46 scorecards that Ihave, and I'll be right back with you.

(01:02:44):
Should probably already have that.
Hey.
What about one under on final five?
Do you think that's getting paid?
Hey.
Me and my baseball partner shot seven under.
You should start replying to every singleperson that asks and just auto-reply, it's
looking really good right now.
And just say that.
Buttsy, we gotta do a livestream where we gothrough some of these DMs.

(01:03:05):
Oh, absolutely.
Oh my god.
It's looking really good right now.
This would be so
hilarious.
This could be the week.
Now you guys got me curious.
Yeah.
Well, I bet they after a few weeks of that,they'll stop asking.
I'm gonna go over here.
You guys Do you
have anything from today?
Actually, this is a great chance to get intothe TGL recap.
Here we go.

(01:03:27):
We already
talked No naming names.
He's gonna know who he is if he hears this.
If I had a hole in one in my birdie streak,does that count?
Here's an there's an argument.
There's a debate.
We got 992 people listening right now.
So we have a game called birdie streak.
It's most birdies in a row.
Winner take all unless there's a tie, and thenyou split that lump sum of money up divided by

(01:03:47):
how many there are.
Yeah.
Hole in one
counts, you go birdie, hole in one, birdiebirdie, there's 978 people watching or
listening right now.
Does that count?
Matter of fact, it does.
You didn't know it
doesn't, man.

(01:04:08):
It has to.
It can only be one shot of
the whole.
You did too good, man.
You
overexceeded the expectation of yourself.
And for that, you will be penalized.
But your hole in one got cut.
Did it?
No.
He asked that too.
If there were any more aces.
I, unfortunately, haven't gotten around toscorecards yet.

(01:04:29):
I got done with the skins game at 5:07 p.m.
I went to Chipotle, ate Chipotle, went home,took a shower, got my car, came down here for
the podcast.
I will get the scores hopefully soon.
But I gotta work at 6 a.m.
tomorrow morning, I get off at 12, and I gottago to Grass Clippings at 2.
So bear with me.
We're busy.
That new, that new honey chicken at Chipotle ispretty good.
Don't know
if you
Dude, I heard someone
asked me about that.

(01:04:49):
That with apparently in a quesadilla with thevinaigrette and the hot sauce apparently is
phenomenal.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
I'm I'm hearing some combinations, that chickenis apparently people are big fans.
Not had it.
Let's see.
And I'm
a big Chipotle guy.
God, man.

(01:05:10):
This is tough.
I shit an absolute porta john at, like, 2:30 inthe morning after eating that, but I'll do it
again because it was good.
It happens a lot.
A lot of times Chipotle, those 12-year-oldsdon't cook the food long enough, and so it's an
issue.
But
It's true.
And guac is more.
What kind of filter do we have on this podcast?
It's unfiltered.
Okay.
That's even better.
So I went on a rant on our story a couple ofweeks ago.

(01:05:32):
Before you send me a message saying somethingstupid about how I need to stick to what I
post, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah, run your own game of this magnitude and
do as you wish.
I do I don't by any means want people to notfeel welcome or think I'm being rude.
Just looking for you guys to understand how biga problem this creates.
Thanks for your understanding.
One of our sniper followers comes out of leftfield.
Just an FYI, Trump passed an executive ordermaking it okay to call people retarded again.

(01:05:55):
I'm just saying.
Glennie's got some DMs, dude.
Oh.
So we need a full episode on that.
Yeah.
Oh, god, man.
I just you know, here we go.
True.
That executive.

(01:06:15):
So I post results.
Hey, Mike.
I'm pretty sure so and so and I shot 6 underlast Wednesday at Grass Clippings.
Results have been up for a week.
Sorry.
Not to be a pain.
Yeah, man.
Not a pain at all.
Let me just go ahead and look back on that froma week ago.
Fast forward, that was a scorecard with no lastnames on it.
Oh, you hate
to maybe some initials.

(01:06:36):
And those ones are tough to figure out who youand your partner are when we don't when we just
don't have that.
God, man, I got a guy I got a guy who oh, boy.
Alright.
This one, we've been, you know,

(01:06:58):
ripping through.
I really don't like to put people on blast.
I'm not I'm it's I'm not a big I'm not a bigguy at that.
And I couldn't have gotten into a fight overthis.
Would you like us on our Instagram account tojust start calling people out?
You send it to us.
We'll do the No.
We're gonna we're gonna
go in, and we're gonna keep this anonymoushere, okay?

(01:07:19):
We're gonna keep this anonymous.
This dates back to December 28, 2022.
And this person no longer plays in the game.
This person and myself have had words a handfulof times, and he, you know, he's banned from a
couple of the tours and a couple of places.
But I posted a story.

(01:07:40):
The term condescending comes to mind.
But he replies, more important, how about theyjust move the fucking tees back and actually
set it up like a challenge for once.
Shadows is a joke.
K.
Wow.
Fast forward.
Next message he sends me.
Why aren't the skins value on weeks where askin is won or carryover pots publicly posted?
Hiding something?

(01:08:01):
Hi, guys.
They're just out.
Posted.
I posted, you know, reposted someone making aone.
They were happy.
They made a hole-in-one.
First hole-in-one they've ever made in theirlife, and they posted it on the story because
that's, you know, that's kind of a cool thing.
You make a hole-in-one when play golf.
There's a lot of people that'll go their wholelife.
I'm sorry.

(01:08:22):
People are starting
does not go his name does not start with Jacob,but no, Kyle.
You're wrong.
I was I was gonna say, is it Magoo?
No.
It's not Magoo.
Magoo plays.
Magoo's alright.
Magoo tells me the same thing every week,though.
I haven't made a goddamn dollar in this gamesince 1947 when I was a wee lad before they did

(01:08:43):
the redesign and blah blah blah blah blah.
Here's my entry fee.
Alright.
Bye.
Game is a fucking joke at this point.
Keep allowing fraud.
Keep hiding the skins' dollar amounts too.
You're a joke.
So I had to say, keep finding a group to playwith because you aren't playing out here
anymore.
Banning me for free speech, I'm playing, pal.
You don't list the amount of players becauseyou don't want people to know.

(01:09:06):
The fact that you hide everything is an issue.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
So then, what did I post?
Posted something again asking for players.
Again, I don't have to do this, I do it becauseI don't just wanna DQ people.
I just don't wanna I'm not the type of personthat's like, oh, hey, you played very good.
Let me just DQ you because you've never playedthe game before and you haven't heard from

(01:09:30):
other people that we would prefer first andlast names that have a lot of people with a
similar name to yourself.
I posted something, you say this shit everyweek, when will you actually enforce what you
post?
Joke.
Okay?
Dude, you get some real hate.
If people see birdies winning skins forhundreds of dollars when their score would have
cut it, they will start listening to what yousay.

(01:09:51):
Empty threats from you all the time don't work.
Okay.
How do you block these people?
Oh, god.
They play in the game.
Yeah.
Not anymore they don't.
Yeah.
That's just a oh, boys.
We can we can go through here deep.
But then, you
know, just as

(01:10:11):
quickly as you get those, you get the, hey,thank you so much for everything that you do.
We appreciate you, blah blah blah blah blahblah blah.
So all is well that ends well.
You get the occasional dickhead.
I'm gonna make sure just to send you some lovethroughout the day.
I just lost my goddamn mouse.
I'm gonna since go ahead.
You guys, you guys do a little talking for asecond.

(01:10:32):
I just think I think that there's some guys outthere that are stressed out playing that game.
I think there's guys that their part of theirlivelihood, they might be riding on that game,
and I would imagine that some of that angstfrom that.
Like, there's probably people that it's, yeah,it's fun, but it's like, you know, they didn't
make money.
They couldn't afford to play in it.

(01:10:53):
It's fucking really a source.
I don't know.
I'm just speculating.
And that's fine.
Take it from the guy who runs the game, whoknows what it's like to lose everything and
play on borrowed money.
Yeah.
That ain't it, boys.
Yeah.
You still gotta have it's it's supposed to belike a community, and everybody has.
If you're
cashing in the piggy bank to come up with a 30sack to buy into a skins game, you will not win

(01:11:18):
a skins.
I promise.
Yeah.
You're gonna go, oh, please kick left, rock,right, water.
Game over.
It's like a guy gets into a bunker,
downslope, fried egg, good six.
You should have saved the 20 you used forstroke play because you're now five over
through two.
Yeah.
I think that's usually me after two.

(01:11:40):
I'm telling you right now, the universe remainsundefeated.
We're not going to get too spiritual or go downthe "all the stars aligned" route tonight.
That'll get way too deep down a rabbit hole.
But what I will tell you, based on lifeexperience, is when I started to do the right
thing, and when I started to right my wrongs,and when I started to try to treat people how

(01:12:01):
they should realistically be treated if Iwasn't a piece of shit, your ball will start to
bounce the way you want it to bounce.
Clean living.
The green light you need to get you to yourmeeting on time will stay green.
It's a good metaphor for life.
The cop running radar, when you go by doing 90in a 60, won't have his radar gun on.

(01:12:23):
The guy behind you doing 73 that just didsomebody dirty is gonna get absolutely smoked
and be paying your ticket.
I promise.
I've lived it.
I've done it.
It ain't it.
No.
Gotta be good.
Gotta try to be good.
Do good.
Be good.
Ball will do good things.

(01:12:44):
Do bad.
Be bad.
You're gonna lose it.
I left that ball you took off the driving rangeat Silverleaf that says "practice" on it, that
you used your Sharpie marker with to color outthe "practice." It's going to be gone.
Don't do that.
Gone.
I did that.
I did that as a joke.
Not to legitimately steal the ball.
It was, like, when that little thing was goingaround where "how will they know?"

(01:13:08):
They'll never know.
Remember people putting that on Instagramvideos and shit?
Yep.
I literally did that out at Desert Mountain.
I made a video, and then I threw the ball backin the range and like
So I happened to be there.
Yeah.
Working at Desert Mountain when he did this.
I didn't know who he was, and he tells me thisstory years later.
And I'm like, holy shit.

(01:13:29):
That was huge.
Like a huge thing.
Oh my God.
There were three pros that came running ingoing, there's a guy out there absolutely
stealing golf balls from the, oh my God.
I got people
in a berth from him.
Reaching out to me like, dude, you really, youlike, they couldn't lose, like, an opportunity
for him.
You piece of shit.
Like, you stealing balls?
And I was like, oh my God.
It was a fucking joke video, dude.

(01:13:50):
Like, Kyle can attest to this.
He was there.
It was fucking the funniest thing ever.
Yeah.
That's it.
Oh, God.
That's too funny.
Yeah.
So you guys wanna talk some golf real quick?
As long as it's not TGL.
It's TGL.

(01:14:10):
No.
It's TGL, I got one line on it.
No.
I'm kidding, dude.
Relax.
TGL.
It was the championship this week.
Atlanta Drive versus New York Golf Club.
Billy Ho, big putt.
Double breaker.
Down the hill stones.
Fucking A.
Helicopters his putter into an electronic sign.
Throws his hat down.
Congratulations.
I've done something.

(01:14:30):
My house.
This is my house.
This is the biggest thing I have on my resumein the last couple years.
Where where what major does this get me into?
Yeah.
I thought you guys when you were talking BillyHo, I was like I thought it was like the lefty
shot he hit.
Like, that was gonna be the
No.
No.
We're talking about his TGL putt, man.
To win the championship.

(01:14:52):
Double breaker, down the hill, Billy Ho.
So yeah, Atlanta Drive won.
Oh, I can't believe it.
I fully took you as you don't watch it.
I don't watch it.
I was while you were getting all this stuffready, I opened up Instagram and the first
thing that popped up was
really wholesome content.
Buttsy was about to lose his shit.

(01:15:13):
He's like, goddamn it.
People are actually watching this thing?
No.
No.
Not a
I would have been like, everything I think Iknow about this guy is wrong.
Holy shit.
Not a TGL
guy.
I've logged a total of about six minuteswatching TGL, and that's scrolling through
memes on Instagram.
Which I keep telling everybody, man, that isthe brilliance of the TGL.
People want to keep saying that it's, you know,it's a waste of money.

(01:15:35):
There's a better way of doing this, blah blahblah.
But it is a social media creator.
Like, it's just they go, they play in thislittle indoor setup, and all this social media
content gets created by it.
Wait.
What the fuck?
He won
What?
So Atlanta Drive won $9 million in thatchampionship for the TGL.

(01:16:01):
Yeah.
I feel how Buttsy feels right now.
Did
you guys know that?
You guys didn't know this?
$2 million a guy.
Glover didn't even play.
Alright.
They are stunned.
Absolutely stunned right now.
Alright.
I'm gonna go ahead and just try to find thebottom of this glass.

(01:16:23):
Good on you,
Billy.
Good putt.
Big putt by Billy.
Big putt.
And the only reason that I like it and Buttsyknows, what screen froze?
No, he freezes all the time.
It's literally because I was a VP of thecompany that does the technology for them.
So that I've always been big into golftechnology.

(01:16:47):
So anyways, everybody knows that who listens tothe show.
Let's move into the Valspar, and talk someBilly Ho again, hitting a lefty golf shot.
That was kind of ballsy.
That was a pretty good shot.
Yeah.
That was savage.
That was.
I mean, I've seen some shit in my day on thegolf course to clutch up in a PGA Tour event.

(01:17:10):
Mhmm.
It was a half too, wasn't beer moment on aSunday.
Yeah.
Absolutely flush it and then can it.
I mean, it had to be good for, I don't know, 6kor something.
It didn't look lucky.
Like, it looked like
No.
No.
No.
It was legit.
He's practiced before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Still putting left-handed, by the way, buds?
You mean
Yeah.
Right-handed.
Oh, yeah, dude.

(01:17:30):
I can't putt left-handed.
Never happened.
A pretty good putt.
Putt's right.
Yeah.
I'm I'm a decent I'd I'd like to think it's astrong part of my game.
I'm not
too You are a decent putter.
I've I've watched you go full hoop plenty oftimes.
Lots of you have.
Remember shortly after we met when we were upand paced up in good old Oak Creek, absolutely

(01:17:51):
housed on 57 fireball shots?
Oh, I do.
I had that Adidas windbreaker on, you told me Ilooked like I came from FedEx wrapped in bubble
wrap.
Yeah.
I do.
And I remember that cart girl we asked forfireball, and we did not get the little
shooters.
We got a bottle out.
This lady's pouring, like, half a fuckingglass.

(01:18:11):
Like yeah.
It's like we had we probably have, like, 25fireball shots.
Yeah.
Can I get three shots of fireball?
She breaks out a clear plastic cup, like theone that you're gonna piss in when you go take
a drug test and filled it all the way
up.
Fucking filled it.
Yeah.
And they were cost-effective too.

(01:18:32):
Guaranteeing I wasn't mad about it.
That
was great.
Guarantee you she took that cash and just putit straight into her girdle.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, yeah.
She's a saloon worker at night for sure.
Like, then she drove by on the way out.
Remember, she's like,
you guys have a great day.
I'm feeling good.
Oh, yeah.
Oak Creek, hell of a place.

(01:18:52):
Absolutely love that place.
Where the hell were we?
We were talking about the Valspar.
Valspar.
Sorry.
Billy.
Billy.
Yeah.
Left-handed.
Good bird.
Absolutely played great.
Viktor Hovland ends up winning.
Hates his golf swing.
Absolutely hates it right now.
I mean, I can relate because there's been timeswhere I hate my golf swing.

(01:19:15):
Probably still do.
But, Buttsy, you ever hate your golf swing?
All the time.
Every time I play golf.
But believing that it's going to work out hasreally helped me feel better about it.
It's like somehow this fucking shitbox producessome good things sometimes.
So if I think it's gonna go well, it typicallygoes a lot better than when there's doubt

(01:19:38):
because I think shit.
You know?
Let it develop.
Let it develop.
Yeah.
What about you, Glennie?
You ever hate your golf swing or you alwaysloved it?
I'm self-taught.
I'm just I I just literally am, like, one ofthe probably lowest expectation players that
will that plays at a
You got a gorgeous golf swing, man.
I mean, here, man.
I'm a big timing guy.

(01:19:59):
Pick it straight up.
The lag.
Pick it straight up.
Drop her a little bit in.
Swing about 14 left, seven down.
Sometimes it cuts.
Sometimes it's left going left.
And when it's left going left all night or allday, we don't got it.
That's called a pull hook, my friend.
No.
It doesn't hook.
It's just plain.
Just pull.
Pull straight.
Oh, pull straight. Got rid
Got rid of
in layman put together.

(01:20:19):
Kinda.
Love that.
I kinda look a little bit like both of themtoo.
Yeah.
I can see
Broke my nose enough times if I turn sideways,see I gotta Hey.
You got a gotta Furek beak on me.
I broke that three times.
Thing.
Yeah.
Little little Toucanny, gets sunburnt more thananything else on my face.
Yeah.
Here's what
it is.
Yeah.
The bridge is a little red.
A little red.

(01:20:39):
Looks like he sleeps in a nest at night.
You're not wrong.
He sleeps in a very warm nest at night becausehis financial adviser has probably got Jim
Furyk to a point where he'll be alright.
Alright.
Alright.
For for many many eons to come and those thatcame
after him.
Can own a zoo full of toucans with Yep.

(01:21:02):
Yeah.
He'll be alright.
JT thought he was in form, looked great, lookedlike he he ended up getting up to a three-shot
lead Sunday before Viktor Hovland made hisbirdie putt to cut it down to two.
And then JT faded a little bit at the end, butViktor ends up coming through with the victory.

(01:21:23):
He very much so is a dangerous player,especially if he doesn't like his golf swing
right now and doesn't think that it'sfundamentally correct or in form and yet he's
able to win at the goddamn Valspar, which thatis a tough tough golf course that they're
playing in some wind too.
What do you think in terms of Hovland?

(01:21:45):
You think he's gonna have a solid year thisyear even though he's pretty down on himself?
I think this week will give him a little bit ofself-belief in what he's doing.
He now will probably be able to, I mean, youguys, we're all golfers here.
We know that whole, like, we're making a littlebit of a change.
We can commit to it on the range or, you know,TGL, we can send her into a screen all night

(01:22:08):
long and
All night.
Hope that that algorithm's got it flyingstraight.
But a little self-belief goes a long way.
I think he'll put that in his back pocket.
And when he gets to number 10 at Augusta, sixback, he might have a chance.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, five or six more putts go in around andbad shots

(01:22:31):
I'm a Hovland fan.
I appreciate the guy that always looks cookedwhen he's playing.
Really does.
Some of his college photos, man, are hilarious.
But he went miscut, miscut, miscut, and thenends up winning the Valspar.
JT though, JT is somebody you gotta look outfor, man.
He's starting to get into form.
He's gotten over the fact that the first yearof having a child and now he's starting to look

(01:22:56):
pretty damn good.
And I think he's gonna be scary for the Mastersthis year.
He's finding the new JT.
Yeah.
What he is now.
Yeah.
Yep.
Everyone goes through that, though.
Yeah.
You know, look at Rick, right?
Rick's only focus is, you know, for a lot ofhis life growing up around him with him has
been Rick.
Yeah.
And then he gets married.

(01:23:18):
And then he has a kid.
And then he has another kid.
Everyone's like, oh, what happened to RickieFowler?
Dude, he got married and had a kid.
I don't know if you're not married or have akid, but when you get married and you have a
kid, now you have someone like there's beenplenty of times in my life that I've just
flying by the, you know, done whatever Mike'swanted to do.
And I can't still do that because my wife'sunderstanding that that's how I've been since I

(01:23:41):
was a baby.
But like, if I'm playing on the PGA Tour and Iwake up in Jupiter and I go to Bear's Club and
that's my only responsibility from when I wakeup to when I go to bed at night.
And the only people texting me are the peoplethat are a part of my camp that are involved
with my, you know, and not to say thatAllison's not a part of his camp, but like.
You get one wrong text from Rachel or from mywife when I'm out on the golf course and like,

(01:24:07):
hey, you know, the dog's throwing up.
What do you mean?
Is he okay?
Oh, you're taking her to the vet?
Okay.
Well, now I just went from making four birdiesin a row to my wife's taking the dog to the vet
because something's wrong.
So I feel a little guilty for being here.
I should leave.
No.
I can't.
It's my job.
You have new stuff that now has the opportunityto have an effect on what you're doing for

(01:24:28):
sure.
It's that simple.
Yeah.
I've had those texts ruin a lot of rounds.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
But, you know, same.
Spieth, Thomas, Rick, they're all kind ofunderstanding.
Here's what it's like to be a dad.
Here's what it's like to have moreresponsibilities.
myself.
Here's what it's like to play golf again.
Or even just like, I'm not the young gun, like,player anymore.

(01:24:51):
I'm this guy now, and I gotta figure out howto, like, mature and, you know, you probably go
through years of having such an expectation ifyou're that hot to begin with.
I mean, it's not sustainable for anybody exceptTiger Woods, it seems like.
So finding it again.
That's why I think anybody that fucking cameout and just guns blazing, they all kinda do
that.
Ew.

(01:25:11):
Bro phones on the course.
Trot, are you married?
Yeah.
Is.
Yeah.
Actually is.
Then but he's gone every four seconds.
He can't be on all my golfers.
That's bullshit.
Oh my god.
I did that the other day.
I forgot I put it in my golf bag and my AppleWatch wasn't on, and that's in my golf bag too.

(01:25:31):
Oh, I got reamed after the round.
You didn't see any of my texts?
Oh, boy.
Bro, I don't know how you play with thatfucking watch on, like, halfway.
I don't.
I put it in my bag now.
It's too big.
How about when your phone you guys' phone everjust like you accidentally it somehow goes into
do not disturb?
Yeah.
That has happened to me before.
Yeah.
I've act like, I put mine in do not disturb.

(01:25:53):
And again, my wife's one of the coolest humanbeings on the face of this earth.
Not insecure, at least not toward me and whatI'm doing on a day to day.
But gets that notification.
Yeah, the old go to send a text.
Oh, his phone's on quiet.
Let me text him again and again.
I should probably try to call.
It's your I'm I'm do not disturbing right now.

(01:26:15):
I'm not going to get that.
You open your phone, you're like, holy shit.
I got 27 missed I got 27 missed calls, 17 textmessages.
Everything okay?
Hey.
The pizza's done.
Oh, alright.
Cool.
My heart rate just spiked to 7,000 bpm.
Somebody died.
Okay.
Yeah.
Everything's fine.
Hunter was an emergency.
Now, with that said, we got the upcoming TexasChildren's Houston Open this week at Memorial

(01:26:38):
Park Golf Course.
Great golf course out there in Houston.
Par 70.
It's a 7,400-yard par 70.
It's fucking bitch, dude.
It is.
I carried a bag there.
Yes.
You did.
I remember that.
Yeah.
For is it Ben?
Is his name Ben?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That
place I did not wanna be playing.
Like, I was like, goddamn.

(01:26:59):
I do not wanna play here.
I'm glad.
You got some great insights into this place.
So let's go over some betting odds.
Scottie Scheffler's plus 350.
Rory McIlroy's plus 650.
Aaron Rai plus 2,800.
Wyndham Clark plus 3,300, J.J.
Spaun, Jason Day, Davis Thompson, Tony Finau,Min Woo Lee, Michael Kim plus 3,500, Sungjae Im

(01:27:21):
plus 4,000, Si Woo Kim, Jacob Bridgeman, TaylorPendrith, Stephan Jaeger, Jaeger Meister plus
4,500, Maverick McNealy, Sahith Theegala plus5,000, Ben Griffin plus 5,500, Taylor Moore,
Max Grazerman, Alex Smalley, Thomas Detry plus6,000, Keith Mitchell, good old Cashmere Keith
at plus 6,500.

(01:27:42):
Let's start with you, Glennie.
Who you like this week?
Man, I'm a long shot guy.
For one, I made a bold statement at Silverleaf.
Someone asked earlier what my job is.
I work at Silverleaf.
Someone asked me something.

(01:28:02):
Don't get me wrong, I like Scottie Scheffler.
The guy is very good at golf.
He hits it pin high a lot.
He's a great family man.
He's a phenomenal person.
Guy won't win this year.
Heard it here first.
You're with Phil Mickelson.
Heard it here first.
He will not win this year.
And there's 971 people that are gonnaabsolutely casket me.

(01:28:24):
I think based on our prior conversation,though, there's a lot of sense in that.
Just don't.
I I think insider trading, think what you want.
I just you can't have you he blew his load.
He had a year of year he had a year of years.
This year, he's gonna lay low.
He'll finish second 19 times.

(01:28:46):
Yep.
He won't win.
Wow.
Give me someone in that, like, plus 4,500category.
So we got I feel like Michael Kim
might I hope Kim been trending.
3,500.
Follow on Twitter.
Oh, great follow on Twitter.
Yeah.
Sahith Theegala.
That guy
That's a solid
pick this

(01:29:06):
week.
Sahith.
Sahith.
Thi.
Thi.
Thi.
Thi.
Go to a gala.
The Met Gala.
I think it'll be somewhere we're not gonna namenames.
We're gonna say the winner will come out of aplayer that is between plus 3,200 to plus

(01:29:27):
6,000.
That's a good take.
That's a pretty
It's only about 47 people, so half the field.
Buttsy, who you like this week?
What's what's what's Finau at?
Finau is at plus 3,500.
I'd go I think I'm gonna go Finau.
Yeah.
You're gonna go, Tony?
Based on how he played the year that I was outthere and just the golf courses.

(01:29:51):
Somebody that hits it 320 and is not afraid tohit driver every hole.
And you
gotta be able to make a putt inside of fourfeet.
Yeah.
That's gonna be tough for Tony.
Tony's not gonna do that.
Yeah.
That place is fucking long.
Like, there's two par fives that are turnedinto par fours.
The green complexes are fucking awful.

(01:30:13):
Michael Kim's good at hitting hybrids, boys.
Talking about putting, I and I apologize toButtsy and our team when we were playing
against the United boys, and I missed two puttsfrom three feet, would you say?
Three, four feet?
You you didn't hit bad putts, though.

(01:30:34):
No.
The so that carried over because I played amoney match once again over at Grass Clippings
with my buddy Terrence Daniels and against twoother really good golfers as well.
And Terrence is a plus three, so he kept me init for the most part.
And sure enough, I I they came back.
I missed two, three footers during that ordeal,and we ended up having the match because of it.

(01:30:59):
So I've restructured my putting stroke, talkingabout putting.
I am no longer an open-shut putter.
No more of an arc.
It's more straight back, straight through,square to square.
No more LAB putter, back to a Ping Anser, whichis
see the LAB putter sitting over here.
It's in the corner.
It's being punished.

(01:31:19):
But that worked for a long time.
And then, you know, you don't play for a while,and you get under some pressure.
So I'm gonna go with a guy who has a greatputting stroke and is a bomber of the golf
ball.
Stephan Jaeger, Jagermeister.
I love Stephan Jaeger this week.
He resides out there in Texas, and he is abomber and a pretty good putter when you look

(01:31:46):
at stats.
Bramlett in the field?
Joseph, I don't know.
Jaeger's a Shadows guy.
He's come out to Shad's a handful of times.
Love that.
And he's a—I mean, how well does he play at theShad's?
Because I feel like he's just a bomber of thegolf ball.
I'm just saying, dude, there's a couple holesout there.
There's a par 5 with water right in front ofyou.

(01:32:07):
And if you can comfortably carry it 325 in theair, like, it's a difference, like, driver
hybrid or 4-iron versus, like, fucking wedgein.
Like, there's a couple holes like that whereit's a demanding carry.
Anybody who's fucking ripping the golf ballthat far and hitting it straight is gonna win
this week, which is kinda stupid to say of noshit.

(01:32:27):
But, yeah, somebody who's long is gonna win.
Think so.
I don't think you know, who comes to mind isMin Woo Lee, who just absolutely torches the
golf ball.
But sends it.
I just don't know if he's ready to win.
But Min Woo sends it a couple directions.
That's the issue.
That is the issue.
There's no doubt that patrons might need to getin the way to keep her from going out into

(01:32:53):
the—might kill somebody.
Correct.
Yeah.
Poor left or right.
So you're saying he's a little squirrellysometimes.
Little squirrelly.
But not to sidetrack.
We were just talking about this missing two-,three-footers thing.
I was talking to a client that I was caddyingfor the other day.
It's probably the same for you guys as it isfor every golfer.

(01:33:15):
But isn't it weird how, at least for me, I goout and I play a round of golf.
If I'm hitting it everywhere, like, all overthe face, little right, little left, little
right, little left, little high, little low,little whatever, you get done, you're like,
yeah, I just had a bad ball-striking day.
If you hit it absolutely perfect and you makeabsolutely fucking nothing, dude, how little of

(01:33:36):
a man do you feel like?
It's terrible.
Dude, like, you're driving home, you're lookingat every freeway overpass, you're looking at
every retaining wall, you're like, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm done.
Yep.
And, I mean, I will gladly—you could put me onthe first tee in front of anybody in any
tournament, teeing it up against anybody.
I will gladly block one 40 yards right andsmoke the side of a house.

(01:34:00):
Sure.
Crack it off the stucco, hit the neighbor inthe yard, maybe hit a cat on the way down.
That won't bother me at all.
But now if I have a four-footer on 18 that Ileave short right
In a long line of those, especially when you'vebeen striping it all day, it'll drive you

(01:34:20):
insane.
I'm down in a bad, I'm in a dark spot.
So what are those short putts?
I drove the green, and I missed that short puttfor birdie from like three feet in order to win
the hole.
And my partner Terrence was just pissed.
It's like, come on, man.
Be better.
I'm like, dude, I'm so sorry.

(01:34:42):
Like, this is my bugaboo right now.
I will get it fixed but it's not gonna betonight.
And my god, have I fixed it because I have notmade more putts.
And I gotta give him credit because he's theone that gave me, he's like an ambassador for
Wellputt, which I'll give them a quick littleshout-out because he's sending me a mat as
well.
But it's got like that Scotty Cameron back andthrough.

(01:35:04):
Mhmm.
Where you can visualize your putter facestaying square going back and then it kinda
opens coming through.
I'm on that whole kick right now and it's agame changer.
Absolute game changer.
Never putted like that in my life, but I wasdetermined that I am not missing those fucking
putts anymore.
I, bro, after playing with you for a while, Ithink the only issue you got going is just reps

(01:35:27):
out there.
Like, you know, when you're not playing golfregularly, you don't putt as well and that's
not fucking rocket science.
You're not And
Then I post on Instagram a few months back.
I was like, hey, does anybody think I can getback to a plus-three?
One of the two nos was Glennie.
He's like, fuck no.

(01:35:47):
Oh, you can.
I was like, thanks.
Probably because I was literally, I wasliterally, I can tell you exactly why that
happened.
I had just gotten home from running the game.
It's probably 1:57 in the morning.
I open up Instagram, I see six DMs asking iftheir score is good or not, and I'm seeing red

(01:36:09):
in the middle of the morning having to be atwork at 7 a.m.
on Thursday.
He's real fucked every night.
Can I get back to a plug?
No chance, dude.
Sorry.
No.
No.
Playing with him knowing, knowing goddamn wellhe could.
But, and I mean, shoot your shot.
Yeah.
Dude, I loved it though.
I think I'd sent you a message back.

(01:36:30):
I'm like fire emojis.
I'm like, let's go.
And it was kind of ironic too, because when Ihit no, it said 98 to 2%.
And I was like, wow, I wonder if I'm really oneof only two people that said no.
Yeah, you were.
Respect.
I was like, shit dude, okay.
I was like, I'm gonna have to, and by the way,I have never played well.

(01:36:51):
And I have shot several under out at MountainShadows just like playing money games with
buddies and I play in these games and forwhatever reason, I shit the bed.
I just absolutely cannot hack it.
While we're on the playing good at MountainShadows, I had a Mike Finazzo drop in.

(01:37:12):
Oh, Finazz.
Finazz dropped in from left field.
And he said, will you please ask Matt aboutgetting worked in one downs?
Please and thank you.
Yes.
So no.
One of their guys outside, Mark Wilderson, whowe call the craftiest man alive.
Buttsy's played with him.
Oh, yeah.
Buttsy, how crafty is that dude on a par-threegolf course?

(01:37:33):
Oh, he's absolutely, he's the craftsman.
And here's the crazy thing, Lenny.
This dude should play in the game.
He's got more hole-in-ones out there than Ithink anybody.
I know.
On top of that, he gets out there, and he's gota stretch of holes.
And I know that it's coming.
So we played this game called one downs.
As soon as you go one down, there's a press.

(01:37:56):
So literally, if you're back, if you startstrong, you're never gonna win the game because
you want open units.
You want there to be holes that have been wonover and over again.
And then at the end, you can snake somebodybecause you can flip the entire script if you
win like two holes in a row or three holes in arow.

(01:38:17):
It happens that out there at the Shad's, hedoes really well on seven, eight, and nine.
And hole number eight never hits the green.
But this motherfucker makes more pars from offthe green than I have ever seen in my goddamn
life, and it will devastate you.
And he's got this putter that he does thisPennsylvania pussy popper is what we call it.

(01:38:38):
And he literally pops this thing to where ithas topspin, and he's made it on people so many
times.
So anyways, I love playing against him.
We play in money games all the time.
We'll be on the same team.
We'll play in this money game against eachother while we're on the same team.
And the other team will be like, yeah, thatputt's good.
He's like, no, you gotta putt it.

(01:38:59):
His club belongs in a museum, bro.
He's got museum clubs.
Dude, like,
three is like what?
What's three out there?
Like, one eighty-five or some shit like that?
One three?
Yeah.
Four.
Four.
Four.
Up the hill.
First time I play with him, I look over.
So what are we hitting here?
Titleist PT 13 degree, full-blown 70-yardslice,

(01:39:23):
just perfect.
Like, that's the club.
I said, do you have a seven iron or a six iron?
Or you're just not as good with that.
You know?
So I'm gonna hit my 37-year-old, you know,starboard.
So fairway wood.
So he's got a Zevo with rails.
It's a Zevo wood with rails on it, the raildesign.
Way, way before its time.

(01:39:44):
And we always say if he makes a hole-in-onewith it, we'll all get Zevo tattoos.
So that is an ongoing thing and has nothappened yet, but he has come close.
I hope I'm not there for that.
He normally hits it and you wouldn't imaginethat there would be enough holes out there to
hit this club.
He hits it like three, four times a round.
Yeah.
Don't Oh, yeah.

(01:40:05):
That checks
out for
him for sure.
So,
Fanaaz, to answer your question there, myfriend.
Yeah.
One Downs, Mark is a great challenge out thereand I love playing against him, and there's a
lot of times that I do not win against Mark,and I can go out there and shoot a couple
under, and yet he will beat me somehow.

(01:40:26):
I don't know how he does it.
Tough crowd.
Yeah.
Tough crowd.
Hey, Glennie.
Am I Yeah.
I'm gonna do this with a
wink, but am I gonna see you Sunday afternoonmaybe?
5:30.
Uh-huh.
Alright.
Nine.
Sounds like the boys are playing.
We'd like to cordially invite you to comehither.

(01:40:47):
Yeah.
I got the call.
There you go.
That'll be fun.
Have a good time.
Stay grassy.
Oh, yeah.
I gotta get some practice in parts.
Yeah.
I got the old open at the Leaf tomorrow, thenGrass Clippings Open the next day, a little
nice little eight and a half hour shift and alittle loop.

(01:41:08):
Then Friday, I gotta caddy the men's game andthen close outside.
And then Saturday, I'm doing the same.
And then Sunday, I'm working, and then we'regonna go play some golf.
If you wanna come out, if you got an evening,I've been going over to this back nine spot
later at night.
So if you wanna come get some reps, dude, it'sfun.
What are you doing Friday?
Working probably three-quarters of the day.Probably three-quarters of the
three-quarters of the day. Probablythree-quarters of the day, man.

(01:41:29):
Friday night.
I work all day Friday.
Oh, yeah.
Let's do it Friday night.
Let's plan on it.
For sure.
Bring Tory down?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Alright.
We're in.
Well, I'll reach out to you privately.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Alright, gentlemen.
Well, I think that wraps it up.
We've got play you guys have plans, and thatends this episode.

(01:41:50):
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