Pull Hook Golf's 2025 Masters Recap

In this episode, we kick off with a nod to sponsor Devereux Golf and dive into audience stories of grown men crying at a Masters viewing event. We explore the highs and lows of Masters Sunday, Rory McIlroy's journey from 2011 to his 2025 victory, and Justin Rose's performance. Discussions include Rory's mental game, Jack Nicklaus' advice, and Bryson DeChambeau's antics, including his controversial interview. We also touch on LIV Golf's Masters presence, TGL vs. LIV, and Anthony Kim's disappearance. Insights on the Korn Ferry Tour, Harbor Town, and Augusta National's features are shared, along with Jordan Spieth's mud ball issues.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
We've got tonight with us Mister Buttsy himselfas the co-host, and my goodness gracious, do we
have a great episode for all of you becausethis is the 2025 Masters recap episode, and it
was an absolute journey of a golf tournament.

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Ups and downs, it was like a roller coaster.
We're gonna be getting into all of that.
But before we do jump in to the episode, we dowanna give a shout out to our sponsors DevRoe
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I have a few of them.
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We need one of those for the studio.

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Oh, you sandbagging son of a gun you.
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That's the Devereux skull.
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Yeah.
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Now what
you want?
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Huge success.

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Tons of people came out.
I was hanging out with a lot of our audiencemembers afterwards, just kinda going around
from table to table and kinda mixing it up alittle bit.
It was a lot of fun out there.
But they have these towels for sale.
Shirts for sale if you go to their website,Goldwater Brewing Co.
So great stuff out there.

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They had two beers that they made specificallywith Devereux Golf.
I'll tell you what, the peach hazy IPA or thepeachy hazy IPA.
I don't know which which they, which way theywent with it, but man, my god, did that just
mess me up.
It absolutely messed me up.
And we've got some audience members tuning inas well here tonight.

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We've got j b t n twenty three.
What up, fellas?
We got truck golfer chiming in with a goodevening, gentlemen.
And, you know, did we get any practice in?
I have not had that much practice.
However, we did play some golf, Buttsy and I,late Sunday.
So as the Masters was wrapping up, thank godfor the Masters app because we were out on the

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golf course, and thank goodness we were becausewe were yelling and screaming and having an
absolute blast with everything that transpireddown at the end of that golf round and playoff.
So let's get right into it though, Buttsy.
Let's start off with the tee-off report, justlike we always do with these episodes.

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Now, you know, a lot of people say, grown mendon't cry or do they, Buttsy?
Is it okay for grown men to cry while watchinggolf?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it absolutely is.
And if it's not, sue me because I couldn't helpit.

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Yeah.
There was all kinds of things that came outtoday making fun of that and all these wives
like, I don't understand.
My husband's completely captivated by RoryMcIlroy.
He's got tears in his eyes.
And I'm like, well, that's because there wasnothing triumphant about your wedding.
Like, this is triumph here that all men cankinda relate to, I think, on some level and

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overcoming, like, that battle.
You know what I mean?
And getting it done.
For sure.
And the lineage, you know, like, just what thisguy's been going through.
And I saw some other comments that, you know,were like, well, this guy's rich.
He's not even on your level.
And then just idiots, dumbass, fuckingcomments.
But, yeah, grown men can absolutely cry.

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And the same thing happened to me in '19 whenTiger won.
I had his tears shed.
Obviously, we were on the golf course.
But, yeah, watching something monumental likethat and watching somebody overcome something
so big and triumph, it makes everybodyemotional.
Anybody
I agree.
I fully agree with you.

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I feel like it's fine to cry, especially at agolfing event because especially if you've
played competitive golf.
You know what it takes to play at such a highlevel.
And even if you've played professional golf,it's even that next level of dedication,
repetition that goes into it day in and dayout, and it really does sacrifice a lot.

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If anybody thinks otherwise, go and watch theTiger documentary on HBO because that's not a
Tiger-approved one either.
So go take a look at that and see the sacrificethat that kid had to give up growing up in
order to be who he ended up being.
And I kinda feel the same way with RoryMcIlroy.
It was an absolute journey that he had.

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So in 2019, I certainly cried when Tiger Woodswon and had that emotional outburst.
We happened to be on the golf course, but if Iwas at home watching Rory McIlroy win the
Masters this year, I probably would have hadsome tears coming down.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's absolutely facts, dude.

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It's really cool.
And I wouldn't even say just professional golf.
Right?
Like, anybody that's competed in sports on ahigh level of any kind could appreciate what
happened out there.
I agree with you there.
That's a really good point.
It's not just golf.
It is every high-level sport.
So any athlete out there can really feel whatwas going on there with Rory at the end.

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And let's talk about it because first off, thiswas a Masters full of excitement, depression.
I mean, it was across the board.
And as I actually put it out there on Twitteron Sunday at the start of the day, I was like,
is there a more exciting day of the year towhere you're so amped up, so pumped up, it's

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Masters Sunday, you're gonna finally see who'sgonna win the Masters this year.
And then as soon as it's over, that depressionjust kicks right in to where you're like, oh
god.
I've gotta wait another year until the Mastersis back.
And it becomes really depressing thereafter.
Thank goodness.
Once again, we were on the golf course, so thatdepression didn't set in until later that

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night.
But a lot of people agreed, and I want yourtake.
Do you feel the same way about the Masters inthat way, especially Masters Sunday?
Yeah.
It's second to none in my opinion, you know,especially as a golfer.
You get something like that out of the BritishOpen when they're coming down, especially when
they play the Old Course and they're comingdown 18.

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And, you know, you see some of the guys whereit's their kind of farewell round, and there's
a lot of energy out there and fans chasing themin that tournament too.
But it's not like the Masters, bro.
That's just the crème de la crème.
And to your point, when it's over, it sucks.
It has to be over, and you have to go throughthat, you know, that big spike, but it sucks

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when it's over.
Yeah.
They need three of those a year.
It really does.
And kinda segueing back to what we were talkingabout just before this with do you cry?
Trot golfer wants to know.
If you don't cry, what's the diagnosis?
I'd probably say sociopath.
Yeah.
You've never known what it is to be a championat anything in your life, probably.

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You know?
Or you just have shitty tear ducts, and thatcould also be a problem.
You know?
You could end up having dry eyes.
That is a real thing.
We apologize.
Don't mean to call everybody who has dry eyes asociopath, but it's probably one in the same.
Now did you cry for Bernhard?
So being his last Masters, oh, boy.

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I I don't even know how to put this.
I put it out there on Twitter in the Masterscomment section when they were interviewing
Bernhard Langer, and there were some mixedemotions around it.
There's a lot of people that actually, like, dobelieve he's cheating and, like, just haven't
really been vocal about it.

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Right?
However, there are some people that were like,read the room.
It's his last Masters.
Like, he's a legend.
There was some of that as well.
So, well, how do you feel about BernhardLanger?
I didn't even have him in the notes, but whynot?
I don't know.
The ones that really get me, you know, maybeJack starts putting with a long putter and

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anchors it for the last five years of hiscareer.
It's Jack's last major, and he's doing that.
And it's the same thing.
I probably would have felt something regardlessof the putting situation.
But for me, it's a combination with those guys.
It's like personality over the years andability and how they deal with the media and
just who they are.

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And there's just some days I'm just not reallythat interested in, and Bernhard's kind of one
of them even though he's been out thereforever, and he's won just about everything
there is to win.
He doesn't he's never electrified me assomebody that I've I I you know, I couldn't
tell you shit about his career, to be honestwith you.
So
I'm with you in a big way there.
And when he had he wore the all red outfit withthe white belt and everything on Thursday, I

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had no idea that he wore that back in '76 inthe final round.
I had no fucking clue.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Really don't care too much about Bernhard otherthan the fact that track golfer, you put me you
gave me the blue pill.
I took the blue pill and all of a sudden, now Ican't unsee Bernhard Langer cheating with the
long putter.

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So I do thank you for that because that's thereality of the situation.
He's cheating.
Now yeah.
Let's get into the burden that Rory McIlroy hadto overcome to win this year's Masters where in
2011, let's remind you folks, he was a youngkid at that point, and he ends up having a

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four-shot lead entering into Sunday.
He finished 10 shots back of the eventualwinner, Charl Schwartzel.
McIlroy shot a final round 80 including atriple bogey on the tenth where he hooked his
tee shot behind the cabins, never recovered.
And since then, he had won three majors, butthe 2011 Masters remained a cautionary tale up

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until this year to where, my God, it justlooked like he was going to dominate this
Sunday after Saturday's round.
Right?
We're sitting there at the viewing party.
We're going absolutely nuts.
We're like, oh, shit.
McIlroy's got this thing.
Tried to give it back a little bit.
Bryson came on at the end, but Rory goes intothis Master Sunday two shots up over Bryson

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DeChambeau.
Looks like he's got his complete game intact.
It looks like there's no way Rory's going toscrew this up.
Like, this is his year.
This is his moment.
He's mentally stronger.
And then all of a sudden, the first hole onSunday happens.

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Yeah.
Rory hits it in the bunker on the right.
Mhmm.
K?
He was about a yard, by the way, of carryingit.
So if he carries that, I think we have acompletely different story on our hands, but
hits it into the bunker, ends up making adouble bogey.
Okay?

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Because he laid up out of the bunker, threw itonto the back edge of the green, and then
basically three-putts for the double bogey.
Meanwhile, Bryson has like a six-footer to savehis par, ends up making it, and it just looked
like, oh, fuck.
Like, this is like game on.
What were your feelings at that point, Buttsy,where all of a sudden it is a tie ball game?

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Did you all of a sudden pick up the phone andpull up your sports betting app and go, Bryson
Bryson Bryson or what happened there?
No.
Only because Bryson didn't really—it wasn't—itwasn't a matched game all week.
I mean, he played really well scrambling, Ifelt like, the whole tournament.
But I didn't think, you know, his car wasfaster.

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Like, even with Rory's stumble, he wasn'thitting it well enough and close to the hole to
really fight back enough to where it was gonnabe a threat.
I figured Rory's gonna stumble a little bit.
He's nervous.
He's got a fucking monkey on his back, a hugeone, and you're probably gonna see a little bit
of that, but he also ended up hitting, like,some fucking iconic shots

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coming in.
God.
Let's talk about it because that—well, thesecond hole was also a struggle.
Once again, bunker for Rory has to lay up, endsup making a par, doesn't get the job done there
on the par-five second, which everybody wasmaking birdies.
Some guys were making eagles.
Bryson happens to go ahead and birdie that holeand now has a one-shot lead.

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It was at this point to where I was like, sonof a bitch, McIlroy, because I had all my money
on McIlroy.
And I'm like, son of a bitch, should I hedge mybet right now?
And all of a sudden start like, I started todoubt.
I'm like, oh, god.
And I could only imagine what Rory was goingthrough at that point mentally.
Yeah.
Like, don't don't fucking do it.

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Don't do it.
This is not—I know better.
I can do this.
My game has been great all week.
And then it all changed on hole number threewhen Rory birdies it.
And I really think this was the big boost toRory with Bryson is that he ends up birdieing
the third hole.
Bryson three-putts for a bogey.

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And all of a sudden, you're sitting theregoing, wait a second.
What the hell just happened?
Rory's back in, like, not only the lead, nowall of a sudden, he's got a one-shot lead.
You've got another two-shot swing, and you'relike, oh my goodness.
Then he goes on to birdie hole four.
Okay?
Mhmm.
He, that par three, sticks it to nine feet.

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I went back on the Masters app and rewatchedthis before tonight.
Hole number nine, birdies it, sticks it toseven feet.
Now during that time, Bryson's struggling.
Right?
However, back nine, this is when I really,really started to think he's gonna run away
with it.
Hole number 10 on the back nine, he birdies itafter striking his approach to 15 feet.

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Again, looks like the tournament is absolutelyover.
Hole 11, all of a sudden, little leaky.
Little leaky.
He ends up, you know, the drive wasn't good.
It was out to the right.
Then he had to, you know, play a little shotthat should have gone in the water
realistically.
Ends up hanging up and then pitches that, andit wasn't a great pitch.

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He left himself probably about 12 feet, 15feet.
I didn't even look at the actual footage onthat one.
However, from there, he misses the putt, makesbogey.
Okay.
No big deal.
Hole 11, super difficult golf hole, whatever.
Hole 12, has a birdie putt there, misses it.
Hole 13, all of a sudden, I started gettingthat feeling of, oh, shit.

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Something's wrong with Rory here.
I just remember feeling it on 13.
After he hit the drive, he lays up.
And he's got that wedge in hand from a sidehill slope, and I'm just going, what's gonna
happen here?
All of a sudden, he leaves it, the face open,blocks it out to the right, Rae's Creek.

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That point
Covered in piss.
And then he misses the putt.
Right?
He almost gets up and down, misses the putt,leaves it on the high side.
And up ahead, three holes ahead, Justin Rosehas just stuck it to six feet on the 16th hole.
And he's got a birdie putt to tie.

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Rose makes that birdie putt, comes back to Roryall of a sudden.
Now you got Rory on 14, makes a bogey.
K?
Justin Rose, what does he do on 17?
Lets McIlroy back in.
Because if Rose stays solid on 17, I think thetournament's over because Rory goes into chase

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mode.
What about the eagle putt that Rose literallylooked like it was gonna fall in the middle of
the hole?
Was it 13 down the hill?
If that goes, you know, I mean, it's easy tosay.
Right?
Like, oh, that goes and then he maybe doesn'tmake yeah.
But it was very close.
Like, no more stumbles allowed.
And then just the emotions of the up and down,up and down, up and down with Rory and Justin

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Rose from that point on because hole number 15,now you're thinking Justin Rose is gonna win
this thing.
But then 17 happens where Rose misses the putt,bogeys.
It kind of lets McIlroy back in, and thenMcIlroy goes and hits the shot of the century
out from around the trees, hits a hook over thewater, lands on the front of the green, and

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ends up he had a—and I have this here because Iwant to make sure I had the exact foot, like,
many feet away he was.
He was three
feet?
16 feet?
Yeah.
Had a six-footer, right to left breaker, theperfect putt.
Right?
Perfect putt that you're gonna make eight outof 10 times probably from that from six feet, I

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would say, if you're Rory McIlroy, misses it onthe low side, and you're just sitting there
going, oh, jeez, dude.
Like, you just hit the shot of the century.
And now all of a sudden, he makes birdie, so hegoes one up.
Okay?
Justin Rose gets to 18, drops that birdie putt,and it was insane.

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Everybody's going nuts.
He knows what he had just done there.
Yeah.
In my heart, I believe he thought he won thegolf tournament with that putt.
Think he thinks Rory chokes it down the rest ofthe way and loses it, and he had just won the
Masters.
And now, you've got Rory in a position wherethey're tied, gets to 16, sticks another one,

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and we hit a nine-foot putt on 16 to once againtake a one-shot lead.
Doesn't get it done, misses the putt.
See the theme here?
Like, this was crazy.
Then gets to 17, and he thinks he hit hisapproach shot short.
It ends up just getting on the front, rollingup to two feet.

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So it's a tap-in putt for birdie.
Thank God because otherwise, don't think Rorygets this done.
Taps it in for birdie.
He's got a one-shot lead going into 18.
At 18, we see him with the wedge in hand forhis approach shot and sure enough, he blocks it
out to the right.
Hits it into the bunker, and I remember we'reon the course and we just all gasped at that

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point.
We're like, oh, no.
He just hit it in the fucking water.
Yeah.
We didn't know, like, was it plugged?
We didn't know.
It was ridiculous.
And all of a sudden, he gets up there and hehits a pretty good shot.
And I didn't realize this putt was this close.
He hits it to five feet, according to theMasters app, and misses that putt on the low

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side.
Mhmm.
So we go to the playoffs.
Not
closing.
No.
Not at all.
And thank God he hit it a foot closer in theplayoff because Justin Rose misses his putt.
And Justin Rose had that putt that's tough towhere it looks like it's a right-to-left
breaking putt, and then right at the end, itkinda breaks away from the hole to the right.

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And then that's exactly what happened withJustin Rose's putt, misses it in the playoff,
taps in.
Good on Justin Rose for kinda setting the stagefor Rory McIlroy, right?
Because he could have easily waited and, youknow, I guess it's a playoff—it wouldn't have
mattered anyways.
Maybe it was a little bit of gamesmanship.
Didn't even think about it that way until Ijust said that.

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Now Rory's got a four-footer, almost verysimilar putt, and finally makes it.
Drops to his knees.
Yeah.
Dude, it's like you saw the ghosts of AugustaNational just leave Rory McIlroy at that point.

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I've watched it probably 20, 30 times now.
Oh, I'm reliving it right now.
It was something that just the pure emotion outof him, and that's how I felt for Rory.
I felt like just dropping to the ground andcrying for Rory McIlroy.
Not only on Thursday when he had the two doublebogeys coming down the stretch, when he looked

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like he was fully in control of his game andalmost blows it on Thursday, ends up shooting
even par instead of four under.
Yeah.
Then all of a sudden, you've got this rollercoaster on Sunday.
Talk to me a little bit about how just is thisall of a sudden what Rory needed in order to

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just go off from this point forward?
You would, you would think so, if anything wasgonna do it.
Yeah, I'm walking back through everything youjust talked about as well.
I mean, I watched the whole thing too, and it'sa lot, man.
It's a lot to unpack.

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And he had the same thing with Saturday.
He had a lot of those little ones as well thatjust didn't go.
Yeah.
You're right.
Because I remember sitting there, like,thinking, oh, he's going off.
He's going off on that front nine, and then hekinda struggled on that back nine.
Yeah.
He got quiet.
Right?
I mean, he's what he had, like, six threes in arow or something to start the day on Saturday.
And
Yeah.

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The most threes to ever start a Masters round.
I thought he had it off his back then.
I thought we were gonna see, like, aTiger-esque runaway train.
Everybody else kinda hanging out.
Obviously, Justin Rose making 10 fuckingbirdies on Sunday.
Dude, six birdies on the back nine with twobogeys.

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Getting it flat out done, making a lot ofputts.
But, yeah, I thought Rory was gonna run withit, man.
I thought we were gonna see that littlestumble, and then the ball went in the—yeah.
It's just, man, I was 50-50 the whole way out,though.
Like, he's not giving it up, but my God, he isabout as close to it as you could possibly be.

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It's—yeah.
You can't create more suspense than that.
I love the storyline too of Rory McIlroydealing with the ghosts of the past, haunting,
and just everything that transpired back in2011.
I mean, he held on to that burden for a decade.
Right?

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And last year, missing that putt at Pinehurstto lose it to Bryson.
Like, all these little things that Rory's justkinda, you know, has struggled at times with
the mental side of the game, has struggled withhis putting specifically.
I mean, Brad Faxon was talking about it afterthe round—who's his putting coach.

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He was on the Golf Channel with the guystalking about how, you know, he knows when
Rory's gonna miss a putt.
He knows under pressure what his tendenciesare.
And so sure enough, it just reallygut-wrenching to see Rory go through that, but
then to succeed and to come out on top.
You know, I've never been the biggest McIlroyfan.

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I don't think you've been the biggest McIlroyfan.
And
I really was happy and proud that he ended upwinning.
And I even said it in reply to one of the poststhat he had that I was just said, thank you.
Like, thank you for gutting it out and doingsomething that we're gonna remember forever.

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And that's my next question for you.
Was there ever a better Masters than this one?
No.
I don't think so, man.
Not with the two, you know, the two both sidesof the fence being up there to battle it out on
the last day and then, like, you got the oldguy out there that's lighting it up maybe one

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last time, Justin Rose playing the best golf ofhis life.
And then a bunch of other guys.
Well, I think I just saw a comment there.
I said that on Sunday morning.
I said, look.
If McIlroy does continue to shit, you might seePatrick Reed jump in there.
And thank God he didn't make any putts.

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Like Well, he played he was lights out onSunday too.
I mean, had a hell of a run, but thank God hedidn't make a lot of putts throughout the week.
And you see that cold sore he had too?
That thing was bad.
Yeah, man.
It's like beef jerky on his lip.
It was pretty gnarly looking.
Nothing you can do.
Give one fuck.
Yeah.
No nothing you can do.
Yeah.
He really didn't.

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He didn't seem like he cared whatsoever aboutit, but you gotta give it up for Justin Rose
almost dude.
Almost almost making that happen.
And if you're Justin Rose and Rory was talkingabout what he said to him afterwards, it's
like, what do you say to Justin Rose?

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Like, hey, man.
You'll get him next time?
No.
Like, he's 45 years old.
Like, there might not be a next time.
He he looks pretty spry still.
I think he's got a couple more years.
And just like we talked about before theMasters this year, that guy shows up there,
like, every time.
So he might have a couple more years to to tojump in there.

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I mean, who knows?
But, yeah, it's gonna be tough to top thatSunday performance.
Yeah.
I agree with you.
His two middle rounds, man, are what screwed itfor him.
He didn't play great on Friday.
He didn't play great on Saturday.
Mhmm.
So as Trot Trot, that's pretty funny.

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He says that pre-shot routine is painful,Justin Rose.
Yeah.
It works for him though, man.
It really does.
And he tends to make a lot of clutch putts too.
I was surprised he missed the par putt on 17,but obviously came back, made that big huge
birdie putt on 18.
And then in the playoff, like I said, that putthas fooled guys for ages.

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So I was not surprised to see him miss that oneon the right side.
He was the only one I saw all Sunday that, youknow, with the coverage that actually looked
like they were making clutch putts.
Yes.
You know?
Like, there was nobody else really doing that.
Parties.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, nobody else was really but yeah.
Reed had a good up and down on the par three,you know.

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But that was the other thing.
That what's that hole water short?
Everybody hit it in the bunker or over thegreen, I felt like.
What's that?
12?
Is it 12?
Twelve's a par three.
Yeah.
Reed hit it long in the bunker.
I mean, there was a ton of guys over the greenthere.
Yeah.
You just can't miss it short on 12.
That'll be the end of your day, hitting itshort on 12.

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Yeah.
So I feel like
trouble there.
Yeah.
I feel like everybody has taken Jack Nicklaus'advice that the shot on 12 is over the center
of the bunker because you have the bunkerbehind, you have the bunker in front.
And if you go right over it, if you hit aperfect number, great.
If the wind's swirling and you get screwed byit, it ends up short, it goes in the bunker.
Or if it ends up being pushing it and making itgo long, you end up going in the bunker.

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Left, you've got the azaleas on the left-handside in the bushes to where you can end up
getting screwed.
It seemed to spit out every golf ball that wentin there this year.
I felt I literally felt like there was a guyback there that just underneath all the pine
needles just throwing the ball out.
That's kinda what it looked like.
And then on the right-hand side, you just can'tmiss it short on the right-hand side.

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You just can't miss.
Yeah.
So that being said, let's get into some BrysonDeChambeau action here because heading into
that final round, did you hear the story ColtKnost shared on the broadcast that Bryson, the
night before sundown, was walking around wherehe was staying in Augusta, and he ended up

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finding some guys out putting in the backyardon an artificial turf putting green that
obviously was like an Airbnb they were stayingat.
And he ends up and goes and plays in a puttingcontest with those guys.
I mean, how cool is that?
If you're just out there kinda shooting theshit and all of a sudden, Bryson walks up, he's
like, hey, guys.

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Let's play some let's play a little puttingcontest.
Yeah.
I think it's something that he's embraced.
Like, I think there's, like, old Bryson, if youwill.
You know?
And new him is as much as he works on his game,it's pure PR.
And when the cameras are away too, it's likehe's creating a story like that every time he
tees it up now.
Maybe not putting with somebody in theirbackyard at the Masters, which is fucking

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insane.
But don't you think that's changed a littlesince you've seen him out there?
Like, he's high-fiving, he's signing balls,he's picking up kids, he's, you know, he's
really interacting and being a man of thepeople now where, before, I don't think he was
that way.
No.
I think his mental side of it and this wasanother thing that I put out there.
I was like, win or lose for Bryson before theround.

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I was so impressed with his mindset, everythingthat he was saying to the media, that story of
him going and putting at night, getting hisbody ready so that at its peak of being awake,
like, stayed up till, like, 2 a.m.
in the morning to make sure that, like, heslept in, slept in till, like, ten, then ends

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up in making sure that his body was kind ofpeaking at the right time.
Like, everything that he was doing to me showedme that his mental side of the game, he was
doing it for all the right reasons, really feltlike he was the more mentally prepared golfer
over Rory McIlroy.

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If he didn't stumble on hole three, I do thinkthat that back and forth between him and Rory
would have been a lot better, because I thinkMcIlroy might have crumbled.
That might have been Justin Rose's tournamentif Bryson does not three-putt hole number three
because Rory and Bryson, that could have goneback and forth.

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And even if Bryson doesn't play well but, Imean, look at all four rounds with Bryson.
Okay?
For the people that are like, oh, Brysonchoked.
Bryson didn't choke.
Bryson didn't have it this week.
Like, you mentioned it early on in this episodethat, you know, his scrambling was phenomenal,
and it was.
I mean, yeah.
They were talking about his short gameconstantly on Live From the Masters and so

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forth.
And if you watch his rounds, his ball strikingwas not great.
No.
It was not great at all.
Tug hooking it or blocking it?
Yeah.
And then the numbers were just way off.
Like, yeah.
All the whole tournament, pretty much.
Yeah.
And, like, I think I agree with what you justsaid.
He fell back enough early in the round onSunday that it was just one less thing that

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McIlroy had to worry about.
Agreed.
And also, I like the language that he was usingtoo throughout with the media and everything
that he's like, I'm up for the challenge.
Like, I love being in this position.
With opportunity comes, you know, adversity,and I love just being a part of this and, like,
I'm really excited to be with the fans tomorrowand everything.

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Like, everything he said was so spot on to howyou would want to approach this tournament.
Where like with Rory, it was a lot of justlike, man, the tension and stress of, you know,
having to win the Masters in order to, like,prove himself and to get that monkey off of his
back.
That was a lot of the Rory McIlroy type oftalk.

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So out of the two, I thought Bryson hands downwas going to have the better mental performance
throughout the day.
But that did kinda turn a bit when after theround, we kinda heard something a little
uncharacteristic out of Bryson DeChambeau withthe media.
So he got interviewed right afterwards.
And, of course, they started asking him somequestions, and people really got on Golf.com

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about, like, doing a hit piece on Brysonbecause they cut to like, most almost the
entire interview outside of two questions thatwere asked, which is, did you talk to Rory at
all during your round today?
And then have you spoken with Rory after theround?
And both of those were he didn't talk to me.

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Yeah.
And then all of a sudden got
a little weird though.
There were within the understand.
Within the answers oh, yeah.
Because we'll we'll just get knocked out ofthis in a in a heartbeat with the the TV.
Yep.
Sorry about that.

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K.
So that being said, you know, Bryson there werelike, I watched the entire interview.
And with Bryson, there just was this kind ofattitude that was the old Bryson to me.
Wasn't the new Bryson.
The Bryson that is media savvy, says everythingcorrectly, has PR training, like, wants to be a

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fan favorite, all of that stuff.
I really felt like in that interview in thatmoment, it was the chippiness.
It was the kind of the baby side to Bryson.
And a little whiny.
Little whiny.
Exactly.
And even with the answers that he was trying tobe positive about, still came across really
whiny to me.
Like, I'm I'm I'm great.

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I'm so excited for my future.
I love my life.
And like all these things, it's like, oh, oh,okay.
Like, why are you telling me this?
Like, I don't get it.
And and just the what the vocal tone that hewas using for it was kinda whiny, like you
said.
So my question to you is do you think we sawthe real Bryson there?

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And do you think that he—well, let's just startwith that.
Do you think you saw the real Bryson thereversus what we normally get now with him in
front of the media?
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's always there.
I just think it's a lot harder for that to beexposed.
He's learned to control that really wellbecause he knows it's not good for his game,

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and it's not good for being melted by peopleall over the internet, which he doesn't really
like.
It's not his thing.
He really, really, really wants everybody tolike him, and he's buried that guy.
So yeah.
We definitely saw it there though, and it'sobviously still in there.
And people can change.

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That's something that, like, if he's workingtowards something, like, people will call him
fake all day because of that.
I saw it a lot on social media.
Oh, he's so fake.
So, like, look at his real answers.
That to me, it like, I see two sides of Bryson.
The one that gets short-circuited, getsfrustrated, gets annoyed, upset, and that's

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still in there even though he's trying tochange that.
He's trying to be this other person, and Idon't think he's not being true to himself.
I think that's the person he wants to be as amature adult who gets it versus, you know, the
kid side to him that, like, wants to be a whinylittle baby, so to speak.
So yeah.
That being said as well, do you think, andShane Lowry mentioned this with the media

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obligations after the round.
He mentioned it after the third round.
He had a bad finish.
And he basically told them, he's like, listen.
I'm pissed off right now.
I don't want to be talking to you guys.
Like, I don't want to be answering all thesequestions about Rory McIlroy.
Okay?
I'm trying to win the Masters.
And then he brought up a really good point thatI didn't realize they do in tennis.

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They give the tennis players about an hour ofcool-down time before they have to go and talk
to the media.
Do you think golf should do the same thing?
I do, man.
The stage that they play on today and theamount of money that's exchanging hands out
there, and, obviously, that shouldn't affectit, but it does.
And they just want to win.
Yeah.

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I just think you'd get a much more genuineresponse than, like, what you'd see when
somebody's a little heated up and has to go andplay friendly and say a bunch of shit that they
probably don't mean and maybe accidentally fuckup and, you know, sound pissed off, which
nobody wants to hear that.
You know?
So give them a little bit of time.

(37:46):
Cool down.
Hey.
Here's when we need you back here.
Really appreciate it, and it would just bebetter for everybody.
I totally agree.
I think they should be given a half hour, 45minutes, maybe a full hour in order to cool
down after a round because we know howfrustrating golf can be and how much it can
expose sides of you that you don't want thepublic to see, that are not the good side to

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you.
And that's where I do feel like Bryson gotcaught in that moment.
Because if you listen to the interviewafterwards where he obviously had been in the
locker room, chilled out for a little bit, wentback in front of the media, his demeanor and
everything, his tone of his voice, everythingwas different.
So it wasn't those forced answers that you wereseeing immediately after the round where all of

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a sudden he's saying, I love my life.
I love the future for my life and all that kindof BS stuff that you can tell he's just
forcefully saying it because he's pissed off.
He knows that he just lost the Masters.
Like, it's tough to be in that situation.
So
Or, you know, if you are gonna catch if youhave to catch them right after the round and

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that's the deal, the media could read the rooma little bit better in the questions that they
ask and what they're fielding these guys with,you know?
Take that into account a little bit of what'sjust gone on and maybe tailor the questioning
around, you know, each player and what they'vebeen through today.
I mean, if you just won, be pretty cool tocapture you walking right off the green and all

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the emotions that go with that.
You don't want to let that subside.
Right?
Absolutely not.
I agree with you there.
Even if you've had a fucking clearly struggledand didn't live up to your expectations or you
choked and it was obvious to 10 billion peoplethat are watching, maybe don't, you know, start
the questions off with how do you think RoryMcIlroy is doing this week.

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That's probably a good call there.
You know?
You know?
And then we don't have the Collin Morikawasituation either from a couple weeks back.
He even had to be answering that to the media.
You can tell when you get under the media'sskin because Collin Morikawa still had to
answer those questions at the Masters this weekand was still defending himself, but then you

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don't have those.
And the UFC with Joe Rogan especially, when hegoes in and interviews, now granted, guys are
usually concussed after they've lost and aresuper emotional, right, after fighting, like
the adrenaline dump and everything.
But he's got a like, he won't interview,usually, the guy that loses.

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He's got a thing to where he'll only interviewthe guy that wins unless he realizes, hey, this
guy, we should interview him.
Like, there's the rare occasion that he doesit, but even then, he always talks about how he
doesn't like to do it.
And I feel like golf should be the same way.
Yeah.
Get that immediate reaction from the winner.

(40:38):
Don't worry.
Like, let the other guys cool down and havethat moment to where they have a little press
conference afterwards.
So it sounds like they're both
Probably safe grabbing Justin Rose afterSunday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably safe grabbing him.
Yeah.
But yeah, man.
Yeah.
Just read the room a little.
Simple.
You're right.
Read the room.

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I fully agree.
And that leads us right into the next mediadarling story, which is Nick Dunlap. Nick
Dunlap
Nick Dunlap had an absolutely insane MastersGolf tournament.
Yeah.
And I actually really felt bad for him afterobviously shooting 90 the first day.

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It is not a good thing to shoot 90 at theMasters as a pro.
And by the way, folks, he did not WD, okay?
And that means withdraw from the tournament.
He ended up sticking it out.
And what we came to find out is that he had thedriver yips.

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And I went back and so you can go back in theMasters app and watch every single shot each
player hit.
So I'm watching the yips out of him on the golfcourse every single drive, and I'm just like,
holy shit.
Like, this and
I know what those are.
Struggled.
I know what that is.
That's miserable.

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Especially on that stage.
It sucks.
That the chipping yips and the putting yips,those are the worst.
I mean, iron play, you usually don't get thatthat much, I'd say.
But driver, you can get it.
Chipping, can get it.
In putting, you can get it.
So those are the absolute worst.
But pretty cool story here.

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Ends up getting a ton of text messages.
After that first round, words of encouragement.
And, basically, telling him, hey, man.
You know, we've got a lot of respect for youfor not withdrawing and coming back to play
tomorrow.
And then sure enough, Will Zalatoris gave him ahug on the driving range before he went out and
played on Friday.

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Goes out in the second round and shoots oneunder par.
Absolutely gutsy performance.
And I feel like this Masters should be calledthe gutsy Masters because you've got Nick
Dunlap with just an absolutely gutsyperformance there.
You got McElroy with all the ups and downsactually still hanging in there, and that was a

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gutsy performance by McElroy.
But, even Billy Horschel said after Nick Dunlapshot 1 under, he's like, I believe a lot in
karma out here on the golf course.
And what that kid just did, he's like, thatkid's gonna have a lot of good karma moving
forward.
Wouldn't be surprised if he wins next week.
So, what's your take on Nick Dunlap?
My God.

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His parents should be very proud of him.
That's yeah.
That's that's elite.
I mean, you can't handle that any better.
There are a thousand guys that would have saidthey were hurt.
They would have said everything except exactlywhat happened.
I wouldn't even put it past Tiger in the pastto, you know, throw an injury crutch out there.

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Didn't have it today.
My back was hurting on, you know, by the time Igot to 13, you know, he saw a couple doubles
pop out.
He just called it what it was and came back andtried his best the next day and it's it's the
definition of grit, bro.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
What yeah.
Yeah.
It's cool to see it.
I yeah.
Respect for him.

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He's got a lot of fans now if he didn't before.
Yeah.
Fully agree with you there.
Nick Dunlap, awesome.
Now let's say that you shot 100 in round one.
So this goes back to a previous episode that wedid where you convinced a lot of our audience
members that you received an invite to AugustaNational to go play, and you declined it

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because you're like, I just don't feelcomfortable playing out there.
So let's say you did accept that invite.
You go out, you pull in the Nick Dunlap, butwe're just gonna give you an extra 10 shots.
We're gonna say 100 because I want it to be atough decision here.
One way or the other, do you go back out forround two?
Yeah.
If I would have committed, you know, 100percent, I'm going back out there and, like, no

(44:57):
shit.
I'm definitely gonna play another round at theMasters.
I kinda was thinking about that too.
I'm like, it's another round at AugustaNational.
Like, why wouldn't you outside of an ego.
Right?
Like, you gotta let the ego go at that pointand be like, alright.
I shot fucking 90 or I shot 100.
Like, it doesn't matter at that point.

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There is no winning argument from a hater atthat point anyways because they're not there.
That's a point.
And you are.
So I could've shot a 40 on the front nine thesecond day.
And, yeah, as long as I didn't run out ofballs, I'm gonna keep going.
And it's gonna be miserable and I'm gonna becovered in sweat and there's gonna be people

(45:40):
laughing at me and I'm probably gonna bebreaking shit.
I'm sure I'll get really mad, but yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, think of that story.
You know?
Shoots 100, goes out, gives it another go,shoots 205 in the second round.
And you're never coming back, but it's a storythat you'll never forget.
Absolutely.

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And it's one that you could share for a longtime.
You can really talk about that experience.
Now, LIV Golf, they underperformed at the, Ithink it's safe to say that they underperformed
at the Masters.
Okay?
Like, two players in the top 10, which wetalked about.

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The over-under was three and a half.
Well, we set it at three, basically.
Right?
Yeah.
So two players, that was the under.
So I hate to say it, but I was correct on thatone.
You were.
I love to say it.
So we had Reed and DeChambeau in the top 10.
Only five players in total were in the top 20,which in addition to Reed and DeChambeau, you

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had Watson, Rahm, and Hatton.
And then only seven players in total made thecut, which you had in Niemann and Charl
Schwartzel.
Is it fair for fans to expect more out of LIVGolf?
I don't know what you mean by that fair.

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Is there a fairness?
Like, it's golf.
I don't know.
That's tough.
I mean, they could have played better, and we'dhave a different story.
So, yeah, I thought that they would do betterpersonally as a fan.
Yeah.
You had Brooksie.
Brooksie didn't really did.
Cup.
I did.
And I thought Cam Smith might rumble around,and I even thought that old Phil, you know, we

(47:28):
might I'm not gonna say he's gonna put on aRose performance, but something decent.
Yeah.
And they all they all kind of fell away, so Iexpected more.
But if they were playing again next week, Iwouldn't feel any different.
I would still have them playing well.
Now Truck Golfers are asking how many TGLs werein the top 10.

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And by the way, we had a segment in theprevious episode as to who's gonna have more
players in the top 10—TGL or LIV Golf?
Now a lot of people that were LIV Golf fanaticswere saying LIV Golf all the way.
No chance TGL.
However, TGL had 20 players in the field.
LIV Golf had 12.

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TGL had four players in the top 10.
LIV Golf obviously only had two.
Two-to-one ratio.
Okay?
So even if you take the number of players anddo that equation, TGL still comes out on top
because it was a little bit more than what itshould have been in terms of how many players
from each side.
So TGL takes the win there any way you cut it.

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And yeah.
That being said, I wanna go back to LIV Golfthough for a second with this and with the fans
because, you know, there's always beencriticism of LIV Golf.
And I think it's finally time to stop beingheels.
Well, me specifically.
You've never really been a heel of LIV Golf,but I think it's time for me to stop being a

(48:58):
heel and just shitting on them wherever I can.
So I'm going back to neutral when it comes toLIV Golf.
We'll start covering it again.
I'm going to pay the price to get thetournaments.
I'll start watching them yet again in order toaccurately talk about it because my take on
this, I don't think it's fair.

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And I don't mean this in a negative derogatoryway towards LIV Golf.
I don't think it's fair that fans, whetherthey're haters or lovers of LIV Golf, expect
more out of these players at the majors.
Yes.
They're big names, but we all know at thehighest levels, iron sharpens iron.

(49:43):
Mhmm.
And if you're not playing in those competitiveevents with deep fields on a week-in, week-out
basis, you're not sharpening iron, in myopinion.
Like, LIV Golf, you got small fields.
Okay?
Not only the small fields, but you got a closedenvironment.
And really, half of the players aren't eventhat great.

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Like, they're not really going to compete weekin and week out.
So you're kind of playing against 20 other guysis what it ultimately comes down to kind of on
a weekly basis.
And it's just like, I don't think a lot of themtake it that seriously.
I think they love to say it.
I think they're kind of forced to say it on LIVGolf, but I don't expect them to come out and

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play amazing at majors.
At the Masters, you expect some of these guyswho have played well there in the past or have
won previously that they could have a chance toplay well on a given week, like Phil Mickelson,
for instance, because he's got so much historythere, and he knows the course so well.
I also look at Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson.

(50:53):
You know, I've talked about DJ a lot.
I love DJ.
However, he's in retirement mode, and heactually played well in missing the cut, in my
opinion.
Joaquin Niemann, he's just not a guy that playsvery well at Augusta National.
Obviously, he was very hot coming in winningtwo events.
But I just go back to the fact that this isn'ta knock on the LIV Golf players.

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It's kind of a knock on the setup of the leagueand everything that if you don't have those big
fields to where you get guys that are peaking.
Right?
Yeah.
You've got guys that they might be number 100thon the PGA Tour.
However, they're peaking for a week or two, andthey're playing their absolute best golf.
And everybody that plays golf at a high levelknows if you get hot for a week, these guys are

(51:42):
all super talented.
Yeah.
And that is only going to make the top playersthat much better.
So that's where I just don't think it's fair tokinda knock LIV Golf for not having that many
players in the top 10, 20, or even with themissed
They just don't have the depth to expect that.
I see what you're saying.

(52:03):
And, yeah, I just wish it was more likeAmerican League National League.
Like, if we just really had a twin tour wherethe fields were deep and there was another 70,
80 guys out there that you hadn't heard of orthat maybe haven't got to the PGA Tour yet and
they're playing on LIV, and you had this twintour set up the same where guys do have to feel

(52:24):
what it means to get inside the cut line onFriday by one to make the weekend.
And like you said, iron sharpens iron.
Going through that over and over and overagain, you just have a bigger cream to rise,
you know?
Then it would be pretty exciting.
And it's not that I hate the alternative tour,because I do like that and I like a lot of the

(52:46):
names that are over there and I do wanna watchthem play golf.
I think that there are some things that areright about what the PGA Tour does wrong, but
it needs to be the same setup.
They gotta figure that out.
I agree.
I don't love you know, I tried to get into theteam format.
Me too.
Understanding, okay, you know, there'ssomething else they're playing for.

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I just it's gimmicky, man.
Like, it's an individual golf tour.
Like, that's what it is.
Like, these guys can go around and wear thesame outfits and everything.
That's fine.
Like, I don't mind the team aspect, but to tryto force the fan base into thinking it's all
about the teams, but it's not, that kinda getsto me.

(53:29):
And then, like you said, having another tourisn't necessarily a bad thing.
We've had it for years with the European Tour.
Remember back in the day, the European Tourused to be almost as strong as the PGA Tour at
certain times.
It was...
and it was different golf.
Like, they're playing different golf overthere.
Right?
That's what you'd see.
It's fucking pouring rain.

(53:51):
It's windy.
The type of golf's completely different.
It was fun to watch those guys go over thereand battle it out in a completely different
way.
Right?
Really stupid.
Yeah.
But you had those deep fields like what youwere talking about with that tour to where now
it's a DP World Tour.
It's kind of a shell of itself in a lot ofways.
Like, it's not the same as it was back in theheyday of the European Tour, and a lot of

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people will complain about the fact that thePGA Tour has taken away a lot of these great
players because top five on the DP World Tourget their PGA Tour card.
So, of course, they're gonna come over wherethey can make more money, set up a life for
their families and everything like that, andhave a little bit better of a lifestyle versus
kinda gutting it out over on the DP World Tour.

(54:37):
So that's diminished that a ways, but you stillhave these super deep fields that go on there.
And then you've got LIV Golf to where onceagain, you just don't have the deep fields to
where a guy's gonna come out of nowhere and allof a sudden play an incredible week that week.
Like, you just don't have it.
And I like but that's also by design.
You have to remember, LIV Golf was created sothat you're only seeing a big leaderboard of

(55:05):
big names that you know and wanna see week inand week out.
So again, you kinda have to pick your poisonwhether you want these guys to be performing in
the majors or, you know, being up on top ofleaderboards every single week even if they're
not playing great.
Well, golf and golf doesn't work that way.
Golf doesn't work where, you know, you get ahandful of, well, on paper, the best 20 guys,

(55:30):
and they're just gonna perform so well.
I mean, yeah, you have your Schefflers and shitlike that that had, like, the year that they
had, and people do get hot, and they're upthere more consistently than other players.
But how many times on tour last year did youknow, we were like, holy fuck.
I can't believe that guy won this week.
Yeah.
Like, I can't what he hasn't won in fuckingever.

(55:50):
He just won this week.
Came from behind.
That has to exist, I think, for sure.
And I don't hate the team.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I don't mean to interrupt you.
I was just gonna you you made me think ofsomething to where it's like, okay.
We see a guy like Matt McCarty this week atAugusta.
Like, that guy is somebody who's there likethat guy would never be playing on LIV because

(56:12):
he doesn't have a big name.
Right.
However, he's been playing freaking phenomenalthis year and all of a sudden plays really well
in the Masters.
Yeah.
Got up there in the top 10 at a point.
Like, you wouldn't see that from LIV.
He's he's earned his way into being a name, youknow, and cool.

(56:33):
Hopefully, continues for them.
But yeah.
Team golf's cool.
Don't get me wrong.
But make it a novelty just like they do here,like, on, you know, on the PGA Tour.
Like, have a Ryder Cup, have something a fewtimes a year where we can build up to it and
get behind those teams that are gonna be outthere.
That's great.
But week in and week out, I wanna wanna watch Iwanna watch the boys struggling.

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I wanna see an underdog story from somebodyI've never heard of.
Bryson also talked about that to where they'replaying too easy of golf courses.
That was a criticism he had.
I know Brooks has talked about, you know, thatthey feel like the tour should be a bit further
than it is right now.
So those are all realistic things.

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And now we've got a question from WC707 Welderon YouTube that says, whatever happened to AK
Anthony Kim?
I fella, I haven't heard anything, so I assumehe's still playing bad on LIV.
This is your guy, Buttsy.
Do you wanna talk about it?
Or I there's only one thing that I know abouthim right now.
Well, the only opportunity that he has rightnow in that it continues to be the LIV tour.

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He doesn't he doesn't have another outlet.
He can't play on tour.
He has improved.
I think he just shot, you know, 66, 60 seven inone of the last rounds that they played, and,
he's obviously working really hard on his game,but I don't think he has a stage where, you
know, he can go show back up and become a tourguy again.
I don't think so.
Right?
Like, that's not gonna happen.

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Even if he got good enough, yeah.
I mean, he's on a comeback trail.
People don't realize how hard it is to be awayfrom the game that long, not play, and all of a
sudden get back to that level.
Like, you have to realize these guys like aJustin Rose, he's been in the grind ever since
he was 13 years old.

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Like and not taking a single year off and justconstantly that repetitiveness.
You take ten years off, you're going to berusty, and it's gonna take you a long time to
get that game back to where it needs to be.
So give Anthony Kim some time.
I would say if he ends up competing over thenext five years, like, the five-year mark would

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be when I would be like, okay.
You know, is he ever going to be back to wherehe should be?
And that will kinda be the benchmark when itcomes to him.
But, yeah, I'm kinda after this Masters, I'mjust like, I'm over not only being heel on LIV,
but the politicalness of golf.

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I'm just like, I'm kinda sick of how it's justlike politics at this point.
It's like, you're on the left, you're on theright.
Like, there's just such a bias on both sides.
And I've always been pretty good about tryingto remain neutral.
And granted, going heel, if you guys know thatterm, it's a wrestling term.
Okay?
It's literally John Cena went heel recently.

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So that's where I was coming from with thatwhole thing to where, yes, of course, I was
going to be super biased.
However, now, I'm like, you know what?
I want to actually talk about LIV Golf and noteverybody just go, oh, he's heel on LIV.
He hates LIV.
It's not like that.
It's just I wanna have some talking pointsaround LIV moving forward.

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I think it's you just gotta minimize theexpectation.
There's not like you said, if you don't have afield that's that deep, then you gotta micro
size what your expectations are and who youreally kinda pay attention to.
If somebody's in the top three out there weekin and week out, probably worth talking about
paying attention to because they still gottaplay really good golf to be that guy out there

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no matter how easy the golf course is playing.
But there's not there's not 20.
You know?
There's not 20 guys that you're excited aboutor that you can commend for their performance
week in and week out.
PGA Tour?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Twenties?
Fuck yeah.
There's 40.
Like, you know, you made the cut.

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Like, you somebody worth talking about.
And we talked about that about the PGA Tour allthe time is if anything, they don't do enough
to to talk about those guys, which they shouldbecause what they're doing is fucking
insurmountably hard.
Yeah.
So
Dan, talking about that, let's give a shoutoutto our guy, Brent Grant, who's gonna be playing

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tomorrow.
He's got an early tee time at the Korn Ferryevent.
So, shoutout to Brent Grant.
Hopefully, he plays a great week and startsgetting back into the fold on the Korn Ferry
Tour, but it's so, so deep.
I mean, you look at the Korn Ferry Tour guys,there are so many guys that can come up and
compete on the PGA Tour.
You just give them confidence and time.

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So it's like when all of a sudden you removethe marketing behind some of these guys,
promotion behind these guys, and so forth, andyou just look at the play, there are some guys
on the PGA Tour that are up and coming that,man, are playing unbelievable golf.
And I know that's where a lot of the LIV sidewill say, oh, well, look at our leaderboard

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compared to yours.
And it's like, hang on a second.
You put these guys on LIV, they're gonna beright up there on those leaderboards because
these guys, you might not know their names, butthey're fucking great golfers.
Yeah.
I'm with you.
We gotta stop the stupidity on both ends.
There's a way to look at LIV Tour for what itis and look at the top there, and there's a way

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to do that on PGA Tour too.
I mean, fuck, you know who I'm excited aboutthis week?
I'm excited for Brent, but I wanna see thesetwo fucking should-be high school kids.
They're both playing.
Miles Russell and Blades Brown.
Yeah.
Right.
I think they're paired together.
Harbor Town, baby.
Harbor Town is such a—and we're doing it adisservice by not talking about it today, but I

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feel like this was such an iconic Masters thatI just want to keep this Masters.
We'll give it its due next week in a recapepisode of Harbor Town, but it does suck that
Harbor Town is a signature series event rightafter the Masters.
Yeah.
It's like even though it's a venue.

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It's an absolute venue.
It's one of the best golf tournaments all year.
It's such an iconic golf course.
And Harbor Town, you just—there's too much tosay in terms of Harbor Town that I just love
because it demands accuracy.
It's different than Augusta National.
You have to go, and your tee shots have to belocked in.

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You're hitting some irons off of tees.
Like, you're playing shots that you're notplaying at Augusta National or that you're
playing throughout the rest of the year.
So it's a great golf tournament.
I hope everybody does tune in because we'll doa great recap on that next week.
But there was one other thing that I wanted totalk about in regards to Augusta.

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Let me know.
Let's get through it here because I gotta poop.
Things you don't expect to hear in anepisode—that got me.
That was pretty good.
I just, you know, it's true.
So might as well just
Be your authentic self.
Nobody's asking you to be otherwise.

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The only other thing that I'll say is ouranalysis on Augusta National, especially moving
to next year, we were spot on with everythingoutside of the fact that I figured out finally
what that lag putt or what the putting style isthat you need to have at Augusta National in

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order to play Augusta National well, and that'slag putting.
You have to be a great lag putter.
And, actually, one of our audience membersreached out on Instagram before the tournament.
He had heard our episode and everything, andhe's like, dude, the putting is lag putting.
And sure enough, like, I was watching for itthis week.
And even on the broadcast, they brought it upnumerous times that, like, lag putting was so

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important at Augusta National.
So that's in our notes for next year.
Alright?
It looks stressful watching it, man.
I mean, it looks like even fuck.
I watched Tyrrell Hatton, three-putt from,like, two feet or some shit like that.
I think it was him that did that.
And it looks like you're lag putting from sixfeet out there, and it might go in on its laggy
roll to the hole.

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Like because everybody that gave it a go, Ijust felt straight nerves the whole weekend
watching it because the ball lips out, and nowyou got a fucking you had the four-footer, now
you got
Definitely.
I I don't I don't really have much to add tothat other than even Rory talked about how

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Augusta National this year felt more like aU.S.
Open than the Masters because it wasn't likethe greens got very firm.
They were very fast, and it did.
It kinda it was almost a U.S.
Open type of feel except for Justin Rose goingoff
Did you hear Spieth today?
No.
What did he say?

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Spieth, he did a little tidbit, and he said,you know, maybe this was actually, like, right
after the last round there, but he said we'renot supposed to talk about this.
Who are the mud balls?
Yeah.
I'm gonna talk about it.
Everybody has to deal with it, but, yeah, ifyou get a few more than the next guy, you're
like, we're not really hitting bad shots.

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They're just absolutely messed up is what I gotout of it.
So.
I took that out of it, but I also took the factthat Augusta National forces these guys not to
say things.
And for Jordan Spieth to say that, even thoughhe's not supposed to, yeah.
Kinda like, he's kinda taken on AugustaNational a little bit and Fred Ridley and co

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and kinda saying, hey, dude.
I know I'm not supposed to talk about this, butyou guys need to fix this.
Because for Jordan Spieth, he obviously had arough go this year.
I mean, he still finished.
God.
What was he?
I think he finished in the top 25, if I'm notmistaken.
But for Jordan Spieth, man, one of these years,Jordan's gotta get back to being Jordan Spieth,

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in my opinion.
He's gone a little bit too far off the rails interms of not having that confidence and that
moxie that he had coming out of college thatwon him the 2015 Masters, which is over my
shoulder here.
And I just wanna see Jordan Spieth get back tothat to where great iron player.

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He's gotta he's gotta figure out the driver alittle bit.
And, man, he just needs I think he's missingthat little piece.
So Yeah.
Mhmm.
Yep.
And everybody has to deal with it too.
That's the other thing.
I mean, the mud ball sucks, but well, I thinkyou probably saw that quite a few times and,
like, you know, he exposed.

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Nobody's really saying it, but they might havemouthed it.
I mean, Reed on was it Reed on one?
He's looking at his 7-iron or 8-iron orwhatever it was, like, literally looking at the
face like, what the fuck?
Like, this just flew to green?
And he's like, mud ball.
Yeah.
You know?
Rory had a mud ball on 10, I believe, onThursday when he hit that or it was either

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Thursday or Saturday.
I can't remember which one it was off the topof my head.
But he hit it in the bunker on the right-handside, and he was telling his caddies like,
dude, do you see that thing flutter?
And he got up to it too, and they showed himand you could see him mouth, oh, I've got a mud
ball.
And so it happens and it happens a lotespecially on 10 going down that hill, and it
gets soft down there because it's very

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Yeah.
So it doesn't get a lot of sun.
Augusta does have the ability though to makestuff like that go away.
Yeah.
You just I mean, you just firm it up.
Right?
Like you firm it up.
You can also they mess with the grain.
This is something else too that I heard on theSmylie Kaufman podcast.

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And I'll just be really quick with this becauseI know you gotta use the restroom.
So Smylie was talking about the year that Tigerhad the chipping yips, how Augusta National,
the year prior you show up and every chip isinto the grain.
That year you showed up and every chip once yougot within 30 yards from the grain was down

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grain so that you wouldn't yip it.
And and so they
knew they did that for Tiger Woods because theyknow they want Tiger to be up there come
Sunday.
They want the coverage.
So, like, they do a lot of this stuff in orderto make sure that these things create a great
atmosphere, and it always seems to happen atAugusta National that we just get a great

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theater for the best players in the worldcoming down the stretch.
And, yeah, that's about it.
But 2025 Masters, in my opinion, one word forit, gutsy.
Really?
Yeah.
I second that.
It was awesome.
It was awesome.
We're still living it.
I kinda wanna go back and watch the last round,like, tonight.

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I've been doing it.
Yeah.
It's the world's fucking cinema.
There was over the past when 2020 happened, Iwatched the 2019 Tiger Woods win for God knows
how many times, probably hundreds of times.
There it is.
Alright, my man.
Well, everybody, thank you so much.

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