Team Golf is Soooo Back!

The episode kicks off with a sponsor shoutout to Devereux Golf and Buttsy's pre-round cocktail tips. Brent Grant joins to recap the RBC Heritage, spotlighting players and discussing Justin Thomas and Joe Greiner. They explore Si Woo Kim's pressure plays and Brent's Korn Ferry Tour insights. The team format and alternate shot at the Zurich Classic are debated, with dark horse picks. LIV Golf's Mexico City event's global impact is compared to the PGA Tour. Discussions include LIV players at the Masters, course fit, and historical performances. Wesley Bryan's suspension, YouTube golf's influence, and Grant Horvat's PGA Tour invite are discussed. The episode wraps with sponsor acknowledgments and a preview of the next episode.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
We've got Buttsy with us tonight as ourco-host.
We've got our tour insider joining us in just alittle bit, Mr.
Brent Grant.
We're gonna be talking some PGA Tour golfbecause we kinda had a trifecta this last week
with Harbour Town, with the Corales PuntacanaChampionship, and then the Korn Ferry Tour

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event as well.
We're gonna be talking about all of thattonight as well as some team golf.
We're getting back into some team golf actionhere on the Pull Hook Golf podcast.
Some people might not be happy about it, but itis happening.
So we will be getting into all of that in justa little bit.

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But before we do kinda kick things off, we dowanna give a shoutout to our sponsor, Devereux
Golf.
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You can go to PullHookGolf.com to check out ourcontent, but did wanna give a nice little
shoutout there.
Yep.
While we can for good old Devereux Golf.
I'm wearing the polo tonight that came from thejourney to Augusta.
I got the hoodie on.
And for summer you do have the hoodie on.

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I love the hoodie.
Yeah.
The hoodies are good, man.
So good.
I love it.
I believe so.
I've probably my camera kinda cut in and outthere for a second.
I don't know.
Alright.
Let's keep it moving, keep it grooving, andlet's start off with one of our fan favorite

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segments, the tee-off report with Buttsy.
You ready for this, Buttsy?
Yeah.
Rocket.
I got some blue light here for my screen behindme.
Is that okay?
I feel like it's kinda nice.
Listen.
It's just coloring up your face makes it lookreal good.
K?
Alright.
Let's start it off.
Teeing off from the port with Buttsy.

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What's the best cocktail to drink before around of golf?
Oh, boy.
There's a lot of answers to this question.
Speaking of cocktails, this one probablydepends.
It depends on what day it is.

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So let's say if it's, like, the weekend, ifit's a Saturday or Sunday, it depends on what
your night was like the previous night.
And I think it also depends on a couple ofother variables, like what time you're playing
and the weather that day.
So I would say anything early, kinda hair ofthe dog.
If it's chilly, I'm probably going with apretty stiff Baileys and coffee.

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Pretty standard there.
That usually gets the pipes going becauseusually when it's early, I haven't had enough
time for the system to really dump ship beforeI get there.
So I'm looking to do that at the golf course,and the Baileys and coffee never disappoints.
If it's not cold, you know what I mean?
If it's not cold, probably a double BloodyMary, I would say.

(03:29):
Early in the morning.
Double Bloody.
Yeah.
To get it going.
And then, anything closer to, like, your brunchhour, your 10:00 to 1:00, I'm probably
grabbing, excuse me, like a double vodka andcranberry with a little splash of lime and just
kinda trying to feel like an island boy on myway to the box.

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Wow.
Yeah.
So like I said, there's some variables in playthere, but
yeah.
Sure is.
Answer.
You ever do a good old-fashioned before a golfround?
No.
I don't.
Well, I have.
I've definitely overindulged on whiskey on theway to the golf course or well beforehand, and

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those rounds turn out a little too sloppy.
I'm trying to have, like, a nice buzz out thereand have fun.
And if I start off with the brown water, in anyfashion, including the old-fashioned, I don't
know.
It's just a path.
It's a
path to a place that you really don't wanna be,at least when you're trying to play some
high-performance golf.
Love that.

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There you go, folks.
From the expert himself, Buttsy has thepre-round drinks all figured out for you.
Alright.
Let's go ahead and bring on our guy, MisterBrent Grant here, and let's see if I can get
this right.
Here we go.
We're adding Mister Brent Grant, tour insider,onto the What's going on, buddy?

(05:02):
Sorry.
Let me get outside and get that stick on lit.
You're late.
Oh, a little late.
Little late.
I had to charge the computer.
Not at home.
So now everything's kinda just the body.
He's on the road, playing some golf.
On the road.
Boy, I got some stories for you.
I'm sure you do.
We can't wait to hear them.

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How are we doing?
Everybody good?
Yeah, man.
Awesome.
Feeling good.
Here we go.
Let's get it on.
Yeah.
Oh,
there you go.
Now you're outside.
Looks more a little bit more natural.
Does he look more mature?
Looks like he's gained ten years of experienceand knowledge behind him.
Yep.

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That is definitely a problem.
It's called stress.
You guys hear
me on the adulthood.
Yeah.
We can hear you good.
Oh, just got these Beats Studios, and they'rekinda Beats by Dre.

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Let's go.
Beats by Dre.
You gotta love it.
Alright.
Let's get into our PGA Tour recap.
We are starting off with our RBC Heritage atHarbour Town, and this ended up being a
phenomenal follow-up to the Masters.
This is a signature series event there inHarbour Town.
And, man, did we have a stacked leaderboard forthe most part.

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And then we had a guy named Andrew Novak whojust about took it to our guy, Justin Thomas.
But Justin Thomas pulls out the playoffvictory, dropping the big putt.
He was wearing the Whoop.
If you guys know what the Whoop is, that getsyour heart rate or actually tells you what your
heart rate is at certain times.
Apparently, over that putt, his heart wasracing at 126 beats per minute.

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So it was, definitely yeah.
He I mean, I thought it was actually prettycalm.
A lot of people were like, wow.
That's really high.
Clearly, clearly, under pressure, was able toknock down that putt.
And, man, he looked good doing it too becauseJustin Thomas, when he's out there playing

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well, who so my question to you guys to startthis all off, who outside of Justin Thomas is
the most exciting player to watch when theirgame is on?
I like I like the chef.
Good old Scottie Scheffler.

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Oh, man.
Make him cook.
Oh, man.
Tough.
Good question.
It's tough.
Sorry.
These guys are such It's just such robots.
I mean, when their game is on, I'd say,obviously, I mean, a guy like that is just so

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deadly, like a Justin Rose, just so methodical,so just dialed in.
Everything looks like it's being doneperfectly.
And then when he does something worth emotingover, he actually, you know, shows emotion and
is actually a pretty fiery player.
And, obviously, we saw that last week or twoweeks ago, I guess, at the Masters.

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So almost a dark horse call there.
That was crazy.
You, you got a dumbass, man.
He a boy.
You did too.
You nailed it.
I nailed it with Rory McIlroy.
I thought, dude, I was having some issues.
That was the most I've bet on a player in quitesome time.
And I will tell you, the Thursday, I was losingit.

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Just the roller coaster of emotions with thedouble bogeys.
But back-to-back weeks, gentlemen.
Back-to-back weeks.
I had Justin Thomas this past week as well.
So we're lighting up.
That's number four for the year so far.
So four wins so far for your boys over here atPull Hook Golf for picking winners.

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I hope you're making money off that.
Lately, I have been.
I stopped gambling at the beginning of the yearon it, and then all of a sudden, I won with
Hideki at the beginning of the year.
Then we ended up having
Right.
Yeah.
I forget who, I forget who I
called Rory.
I called Rory.
You called Rory for the Players.

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Obviously, I had Rory for the Masters and thenJT for the Harbortown this past week.
So
Do we do even talk about do we even talk aboutthe masters anymore since Rory won it?
So, you know, I mean, it's all over.
Right?
There's nobody that needs to be talked about,and and it's done.
Right?
Now that he's won his Masters, it's over.

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There's nobody else.
The Masters actually just tweeted.
They're not, but the Masters just tweeted, andthey have the 89th Masters in the vault now.
So that means that their little video creationthat they do where you have, I think it's like
an hour-long video where it kinda summarizesthe entire year.

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Have you guys ever gone into the vaults for theMasters app or anything like that?
Mm-mm.
They have.
Oh, I'm telling you.
You're missing out, Buttsy, because they've gotTiger's 2019.
They've got every single year.
So you can go in, actually watch just, like,and get caught up on who won what years and
what drama was going on and all that goodstuff.

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So it's a lot of fun, and certainly, I do enjoythe Masters.
If I had the time.
Now honestly, yeah.
Go ahead.
No.
I was gonna say, like, the time that I do have,I mean, I probably should start doing that.
I'll be a little more versed on the situation,but those hours that I have free, I'm watching,

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like, you know, quantum computing bullshit and,like, parallel dimensions and Joe Rogan, not
the Masters and highlights.
Classic.
Absolutely classic.
My most favorite part was just when I thinkRory set a record for saying I and or me in the

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same interview the most amount of times.
That's fair.
She said that's absolutely fair.
We'll tap the watch.
Now.
Yeah.
As we talk about it, let's get into I love theMasters, and it is sad.
We talked about this last week, Buttsy and Idid, where Sunday comes and goes, and you went

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from the happiest day of the year to all of asudden the most depressing because you have to
wait another year for the Masters to come back.
So, certainly, that feels like it's in fulleffect right now as we're bringing up the
Masters, and I'm just getting depressed overhere just talking about it.
So, let's get into Harbour Town and whathappened this past weekend with Justin Thomas.

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Now Joe Greiner, right place, right time.
Obviously, he fired Max Homa.
And from there, he was going to take some timeoff, which is wild.
This normally is what happens with caddies ontour.
All of a sudden, he's gonna take some time off,and he gets a call from JT because JT's caddy

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is injured right before the Masters.
Gets on the Masters bag.
Obviously, they make the cut together, and nowthey go and win Harbour Town.
And the question is, guys, does he stick withJoe Greiner at this point, and does his caddy
get the shaft because he got injured?
Buttsy, I'm gonna start with you.
A logical person would I don't care how good afriends we are.

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Just won.
You know?
I might call my guy and be like, I'm gonna ridethis out for a couple weeks, see how this goes.
If this is anything more than dumb luck, youknow, you might be out of a job, and I think
you out of everybody should be able tounderstand that.
Like, yeah.
I mean, it's you know, love you, but it'sbusiness.

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Brent, what do you think?
Yeah.
I mean, I've had a couple of times in my, youknow, in the last few years where I've done
something good, but something happened duringthe event or was building up to where, you
know, I felt it was the need to move on.
But, watching them talk, obviously, I know Joe.
I know Justin.
Both of those guys are pretty rock steady asfar as, like, loyalty and understand the

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business probably better than most.
So, you know, Justin's been bouncing aroundsince I think it was Jimmy Johnson was his kind
of first initial big-time guy.
And, he had Bones for a little while, but,yeah, Joe's great.
He's a good dude.
He's a great golfer himself.
So if Justin gets rid of Joe, I have to wonderwhere Justin's head is at.

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Excuse me.
It's just a story as old as time where caddies,they get injured.
You know?
All of a sudden, they take a week off, and aguy jumps on a bag.
And all of a sudden, that revolving door ofcaddies just starts happening.
And it's a cutthroat world because as a caddy,you're a 1099 employee.

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You're not a W-2 wage employee by the PGA Tour.
So as soon as you lose a bag, you're trying tofigure out whose bag can I jump on, and your
year might be entirely different based off ofthe first couple of weeks versus the end of the
year because of whose bag you're on.

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So a lot of guys, when they do lose a big bag,they'll go and grab a young guy on the Korn
Ferry Tour, go back and put in their duesagain, and then come back up with them.
I mean, there's just a lot that goes on withthe caddies.
It's pretty wild, the world that they live inand the uncertainty and risk that they do take
on.
But Scott or Justin Thomas and Joe Griner, theydid look good together.

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I mean, they were joking around on Sunday,having a good time.
And, Buttsy, I'll start this one with you.
Actually, yeah.
I'll start this one with you.
We'll kick it over to Brent afterwards becauseyou guys have actually done this.
But how good is it to have a buddy on the bagduring a pressure type of situation?

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Oh, man.
It's everything.
It's a little corner of comfort in apressure-packed situation.
Right?
Like, there's a little bubble of familiarity,and they know you.
And, usually, they know how you operate.
So, you know, just like hanging out with abuddy when he's getting pissed off on the

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course just out recreationally, you can calmyour buddy down most of the time.
So, yeah, just having that wholesomefamiliarity there, I think it helps, especially
at that stage.
Brent, let's kick it over to you, man.
I mean, you've had all different types ofpeople on bags.
So talk to us.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I've—it's a hard balance,right, because, you know, obviously, you want

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to have a guy that's an amazing caddy and knowsevery course and knows every answer to every
question and has been there, done that.
And I was fortunate enough to have a couple ofguys like that, but it never really felt—you
know, I haven't spent enough time.

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It's hard because, like, Justin and Joeobviously had known each other for years, and
Max and Justin have played plenty of timestogether.
But Joe's just a really likable guy, and he's,like I said, a really good player in his own
right, and he knows what it's like to deal withsomebody that is hyper-emotional but also
incredibly talented.
He dealt with Max for years.

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So, you know, that really showed on Sunday, andI'm really impressed and really happy for both
of them.
But yeah.
I mean, I've had my coach on the bag, andButtsy knows how close my coach and I are.
You know, just the idea that it's no.
It's this, it's this shot.
It's this club.
You know it is.
Just hit it.
And I've hit plenty of shots, dozens, if nothundreds of shots like that, with him on the

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bag where it's just so much more calming andcertain, and you're out of your own way, which
is, shoot, every golfer's problem, if not, youknow.
Oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Especially at the highest level.
You know what I'm saying?
So.
That's fuck.
Yeah.
Being in thy own way is the—that's the numberone thing.

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Right?
Yeah.
So it's incredible.
I mean, you know, to watch golf or to watch iton Sunday and then listen to what the
commentators were saying, Justin was sayingabout, you know, the learning curve and
whatever.
And I'm sitting there going, I'm like, I don'tI don't see that, like, at all.

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And so, clearly, Justin's doing really goodthings with his own game and with his life,
which is great.
But that just shows how good of a caddie Joeis.
And it's unfortunate that he and Max split,but, you know, it is what it is, and it's just
part of the business.
Max should have played better.

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We would have
never Oh, yeah.
He should have stuck with Titleist.
That would have been the first thing I wouldhave told him as a good buddy, which is
probably what Joe said.
I mean, I would love to hear you guys'perspective on what happens when a player
decides to make a huge change like that, whenthey see some success, and how many guys don't
ever come back.
I think the yoga clothing just pulled thetestosterone right out of his body.

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I
will say this.
I do think that when a player has a caddieswitch like that and you have kind of immediate
success, sometimes it can either be thatcomfort level that allows them to kind of free
up a bit and play really good golf movingforward.
And then I've seen it other times whereplayers, they have that early success, and they

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think that's gonna last.
And they get a little bit too comfortable withit.
And all of a sudden, you know, the strugglesstart to creep in.
And I feel like we kind of saw that with Bonesand JT.
I always felt like Bones and JT was not a goodfit.
I got ripped on by all the caddies about thisbecause they all look up to Bones, and he's
such a Hall of Famer and so forth.

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But Bones to me was not a good fit for JT,especially coming from Phil Mickelson where he
would give Phil every single detail.
And that was something that JT just did notneed.
And you saw it later on.
Like, JT hung on to him for a long time, and Ithink it was because of the reputation, because

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of the history, because of the résumé, and itdid not work out.
But you could see in those later interactionsthat it was not something that Bones was doing
anymore.
He wasn't giving all of that information oroverkill of information.
Right?
So that's, that certainly is something there.
Si Woo, unfortunately, one of the moreentertaining golfers out there.

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Si Woo reminds me of Buttsy if Buttsy was SouthKorean.
Right?
I mean, that guy is just an absolute character.
I feel it.
I can't even answer that.
Oh, no.
Buttsy Buttsy Buttsy is the white white buffaloSi Woo Kim.

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That's that's awesome.
Yeah.
You gotta say that.
But if I was out there, there would be nocharacter.
I would just be shitting down my leg the wholetime.
To the prayers chant, man.
Yeah.
Is that is that gonna happen to you at theGrass League, Buttsy?
Hell no.
That's different.
That's different.
That's different.

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That's hitting irons and wedges and putting.
And you got a teammate, and it's a scramble.
So
Get
a driver out of bounds there.
I'm fucking locked.
You can still hit a ball out of bounds at GC.
That's for sure.
I can nervously head over there, man.
Yeah.
It's for sure.
I don't know many people that are when they getthe right level of being buzzed, but Buttsy is

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right up there with Tiger Woods, man.
I tell you.
Thank you, man.
People will see.
People will get to see that.
And, certainly, Joe Griner, as we were talkingabout him or we're talking about Grass League,
there's a connection there as well.
I did see today that he is on the San DiegoMunis.

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So he will be teeing it up in the Grass Leaguethis year.
I'm thinking about having my brother, becausehe's gonna caddy for me.
Right?
Instead of carrying a bag, it'd be funny tohave him push with my clubs in it like a
recycle can.

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Just throw the beers in there.
Like yeah.
Just literally carry it
through, like, a full trash
can out there.
As long as you have, like, a divider so thebeer doesn't get on the bottom of your grips,
you're good to go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
You'd have to have it be custom for sure.
I think that's gonna be go.
You know, they make them, like, real like, theymake them kind of golf bag size.

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There are, like, I
I know.
Waste receptacles.
Get one.
Custom.
I think you need to get one.
Moving right along.
Moving on.
So Si Woo, as I was making that reference aswell, he had a terrible final round, shooting a
74.
He was in the lead heading into Sunday.

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So this kind of goes to a question that I havefor you, Brent, because you've dealt with
recently where you've taken time away, and thenall of a sudden coming back in, getting back
into the flow of things where thatcomfortability comes back into play because,
for instance, you can look at your rounds andgo, man, you're right back there.

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Your game is there, and it's just all of asudden there's that double bogey or there's the
triple bogey.
We saw this with Si Woo on Sunday.
But talk to us a little bit about howchallenging it is to get back into the flow
state and being in tournament-readycompetition.
Right?
It's different than practicing or going outplaying with your buddies and so forth.

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Talk to us a little bit about that since youhave direct experience with that.
If I could add to that, after you do that, Ijust wanna know what hole there at Lakewood on
the front nine just bashed your face in.
Eight.
Well, it was three and eight.
But, yeah, so no.

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So yeah.
I mean, it's tough.
But, I mean, honestly, what I think it comesdown to, at least it does for me, is reminding
myself what it takes to make a good golf swingand what it takes to hit it solid.
And, you know, we talk about swing thoughts.
We talk about a feel, and kind of having thatbe your foundation and building upon that, the

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level of calmness and kind of certainty that,okay, this is what I gotta do to hit this shot
and so on and so forth.
And, obviously, there are days, and Rory showedit, where he went out there and clearly wasn't
thinking about what it took to hit a good puttor what it took to necessarily hit a good wedge
shot.
And he was just thinking about what if this,then that, and the other thing, and it showed.

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And, obviously, you know, he was able to comeback and do just fine.
But Si Woo is probably the most inconsistentplayer in the last seven years.
You know, he went, I think he missed, like,seven or eight cuts before he won the Players.
Before he won the Sony, he was nowhere near,you know, nowhere near the leaderboard.

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And then, obviously, you know, this week, hekind of came out of nowhere as well.
So, it can happen.
But for me, honestly, it just comes down tohaving that solid foundation.
And, you know, my coach and I talked about ittoday, and I talked about it with him after the
round on Thursday last week at LECOM when Ifinished with a solid 4-under and found

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something.
And then I took it into this week in the Mondayqualifier and obviously got it done.
So yeah.
You know, it's although by the skin of myteeth, but that's kind of what it is for me,
and, obviously, it's a little bit different foreverybody else.
But I like to think that that's kind of anoverarching theme for a lot of guys.

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I love it.
I absolutely love the insight there.
I mean, that's something that you're not gonnaget from a lot of people that are currently in
competition-ready mode and really hitting theirstride once again.
And I can see that with you.
Obviously, you're making the birdies.
That's for sure.
So now it's just putting it together andeliminating the bogeys and doubles.

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And, man, watch out for Brent Grant.
He's on the comeback trail.
Love that.
Any good stories there from, from Florida?
No.
Florida wasn't where the stories were.
It actually happened last night at about 7:30in the evening.

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Oh, boy.
So I get done so the golf course is not hard.
It's actually it's called Waterchase.
They actually took good care of us, and it wasfine.
But the Byron Nelson qualifier is there nextMonday, so it kinda worked out that I was there
for the Korn Ferry Tour qualifier yesterday.
But I got done.
I was second off.
I was in the lead for about six hours after Igot done.

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And then at about 4:30, I knew that there wasgonna be a playoff.
Wasn't sure if it was gonna be two for one ortwo for two or something like that.
And then when I actually got to the golf courseat about 6:15, so we're talking six hours after
I got done, it was a four-for-one playoff.
And then by the time about 6:45 came around, itwas a six for one playoff.

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And we teed off at about 7:30.
And just a little bit of quick insight, thebiggest difference between what would be
considered a sharpened player of either ahigh-level Korn Ferry Tour player or a PGA Tour
player is that on a par 5 with no wind,generally, you're gonna have a relatively easy

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birdie putt.
And I watched five guys that all shot the samenumber I shot yesterday, all scrambled for par
on a relatively easy par 5, showing that therewas a massive amount of nerves.
But, you know, there was a guy that hit thegreen in two and three-putted.
There was, you know, the longest guy in the forhim to get it done and, like I said, revitalize

(34:57):
his entire career at 25 is, you know, it'spretty incredible.
Yeah.
That is pretty incredible.
Let's talk about the Zurich Classic coming upthis week.
Do you guys like the team event on the PGATour?
Buttsy, I'll start with you.
I didn't even know it was a team event, to behonest with you.
So

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Remember when Rory and Shane Lowry won lastyear?
No.
I probably didn't watch it because that justsounds dumb to me.
So I probably didn't
watch it.
Celebrating his birthday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't know it was a team event.
So wait.
What's the format?
Like, kinda keep me in here.
I'll tell you if I think it's cool.
So best ball, the first and third rounds, andalternate shot, the second and fourth rounds.

(35:40):
No.
That's stupid.
That's dumb.
Alternate shot's, like, the worst format thatyou could possibly play, let alone play it at
that level.
Alternate shot is the worst fucking game on theplanet.
Yeah.
I'm not a fan of alternate shot.
No.
I don't think anybody is.

(36:02):
Brent, what about you?
You like this tournament on the PGA Tour?
I enjoyed it when I played.
Yeah.
I would have loved to have seen the weekend,but it's a good time.
It's one of those events, especially witheverything that's going on, where you can kinda
just sit back and play with a buddy.
And for the guys that get to play, it's a grandold time.
They take great care of us, great sponsors.

(36:23):
And it adds that piece of entertainment that99% of professional golf is missing, which is
the kind of level of entertainment that comesfrom people actually celebrating and rooting
for each other rather than a bunch of robotswalking around.
Do they play music out there?

(36:44):
That is an interesting take.
I don't think they do.
I didn't hear it last year.
Say it again?
But the other part to this that I don'tunderstand is the FedEx Cup points.
Okay?
They get 400 FedEx Cup points for each of themfor a win, and they do get a two-year PGA Tour

(37:05):
exemption, and also entry into the PGAChampionship and the remaining signature events
for the remainder of the season.
And this is a $9,200,000 purse that the winningplayers will each earn approximately
$1,300,000.
I mean, that just seems like a lot for a teamevent.

(37:29):
I don't, I don't think they maybe they changedit, but I thought they split everything,
including the two-year exemption.
Because when Nick Hardy won it with hispartner, I think, Davis Riley, they each got
one year, and I think they split the$1,300,000.

(37:49):
So maybe it changed.
I don't know, but that was what it was in '23.
But
You might be right.
I don't know for certain.
I just saw that there's a two-year PGA Tourexemption to it.
Everything else is split, so, like, the pursebecause the winning team will get $2,600,000,
so that gets split amongst each player for $1.3million.

(38:11):
But yeah.
They did change
it.
That's still
a lot.
I mean, yeah.
It's incentive.
I mean, they probably did it so the big guysshow up.
I mean, there's no reason why Rory should play.
There's no reason why Shane should play, orXander or Patrick or any of those guys unless
they're there to get what they believe theydeserve.

(38:33):
So yeah.
I mean, mark that FedEx
Cup points?
Yeah.
Mark that on
Yeah.
The FedEx Cup points are tough.
Like, this kinda seems to me and always hasseemed, and you kind of alluded to it, Brent,
that it's kinda one of these where guys can lettheir hair down and enjoy and, you know, it's a

(38:54):
fun event for the players, but there I feellike with how many FedEx Cup points and with
the amount of money that it really is somethingto where they're trying to make it serious.
And I don't know if you can do that with thistournament.
It's a team event.
Yeah.
Was gonna say.

(39:14):
Yeah.
I I I agree.
I mean, it's just one of those things.
And nobody if if that's if that's the case,they've obviously changed it since 2023, along
with, I'm sure, a myriad of other changes thathappened kinda under the radar.
But Zurich is a huge, huge sponsor.
It's one of the only ones that that have kindastuck around, through all of these major

(39:38):
changes.
So, clearly, they're they're footing the bill,for for a pretty I mean, what is it?
$8.8 million or $8.9 million or $9.2 millionfor FedEx Cup.
So.
I mean Well but see, this is the point.
Right?
So so what ends up happening?
Right?
So you have these great players that show up.

(39:59):
And if Rory takes it serious, it's likely thatthey're gonna win.
I mean, Shane's a phenomenal player.
Can't take anything away from him.
But if Rory takes it even half serious, they'regonna have a chance to win.
And so you just sort of see what everybodywants to see, which is the top guys or what
everybody thinks they wanna see, which is thesame names at the top of the leaderboard,

(40:20):
padding their leads even more, cementing theirplaces in the top 100.
But I would love to see a dark horse come outand just absolutely dominate and come out of
nowhere and kinda shake up these special eventsor special changes, I should say.
Like you know who my dark horse for the weekis?

(40:41):
Sorry, Buttsy.
Go ahead.
No.
No.
No.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I'll we this is gonna be a chapel.
Go ahead.
No.
I was gonna go off of so I like the Højgaardbrothers.
They're playing together.
And I think that they've had quite theinteresting year.
They've made a lot like, one of the brothers, Ibelieve it's Rasmus, has had just roller

(41:06):
coaster rounds, making six, seven birdies andfour bogeys and a double.
And those are the types of rounds that we seefrom him in particular.
So I'm like, you know what?
Lots of birdies and two brothers playingtogether.
As long as they don't pull a Matt Fitzpatrickand Alex Fitzpatrick to where they kinda get on

(41:27):
each other a little bit, I think the Højgaardbrothers are gonna play well.
I'm looking forward to seeing them actually.
So go ahead, Buttsy.
I'll let you get on your soapbox here.
No.
I'm just I'm still back to the FedEx Cup pointpart of it.
Like, take that and make it a hundred milliondollars to the winner.
I don't give a fuck about that.
Like, that's fine.

(41:48):
FedEx Cup points are hard to come by.
And you said it's a best ball format for aportion of it.
Right?
So those points are hard to earn.
If you play like shit, you ain't getting nopoints in a stipulated tour event.
If you go out there and your partner carriesyour sorry ass and you're off for a day and he
shoots 62 and you're still in the tournamentand have the chance at those points given the

(42:13):
format, I don't know.
That's just horseshit.
I don't think that's appropriate at all.
Like, not that many points at least.
Make it half.
Like, it shouldn't be up there on par withother events where a guy has to play four
incredible rounds of golf to earn them.
Yeah.
That's beautifully said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the same it's the same thing withall of these changes, right?

(42:35):
I mean, do we adjust the mindset of the topplayers?
Probably not.
So, you know, you just sort of placate to themand you sort of kowtow and be like, oh, you
want more points?
So you play in the event.
Oh, okay.
We give you more points.
And then it just devalues, like you said, itdevalues the whole thing.
When you sit there and you're like, oh, youonly made this change so the better guys will

(42:58):
play.
So then why do we have this event in the firstplace?
And I mean, don't even have,
like, Scottie Scheffler or no, Justin Thomas orJordan Spieth.
Like, none of these guys are playing.
No.
Just I think it's Xander, Patrick.
They usually play together.
I don't know if they're playing this week.
I don't
see them.
But, I mean, they're not.

(43:19):
So Rory and Shane are defending, I guess, andthat's pretty much it.
Yeah.
But then that begs the question then.
Right?
So if that's the case, then why did they makethe change in the first place?
Because, I mean, like I said, when Hardy won inmy year, which is great for him.
I mean, I love both those guys.
But, I mean, you saw that neither one of themshowed up for the next two years, and Hardy's

(43:42):
been battling some injury.
But Davis Riley hasn't sniffed the cut in twoyears.
And so, you know, I would love to see, like yousaid, a massive purse.
That'd be great.
But sure.
Type it up that way.
Split the exemption, you know, something likethat.
But 400 points to each, that's real tough.
I mean, can you so a win is worth 800 points,basically.

(44:04):
Is that what you're telling me?
That's
Those points are way too hard to come by onyour own.
I think 303 points for each, especially becauseit is a team event.
I mean, 400 points basically gets you a hundredand twentieth guaranteed.
What do
you get for FedEx Cup points for a regular tourevent?

(44:25):
500.
Okay.
And so they dropped a hundred off.
Are they splitting 400?
They're splitting.
That's the thing.
That hundred.
I believe they, I thought they split 400, but Iguess they both get four.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I just think that's crazy, dude.
Like a weird compliment.
Just people that aren't invited.
Right?
Like and there's so much strategy in theteammate and tendency and yeah.

(44:50):
If you didn't have the opportunity, I mean,this could make or break a guy's season, and
it's just just bullshit.
Well, I mean, I can tell you.
I mean, just right now, just looking on thelinks, as far as the alternate list is
concerned.
So Kevin Chappell, the last time I checked, wasfirst alternate.
Kevin Chappell, I don't think he's had—I thinkhe's had maybe one start so far this season.

(45:11):
But let's see.
So all the way at the bottom, okay.
So Troy Merritt and Robert Streb are in rightnow.
Great.
Yeah.
Great.
Martin Laird, Bill Haas, and then you got abunch of rookies and whatnot, guys from the
Korn Ferry Tour category.
But, I mean, let's just say those guys win, andthen all of a sudden, they're out of—you know,

(45:34):
they now reinvigorated their career for a year,and it's great for them.
It's—well, there you go, Trotty.
Thank you.
400 points per player since Trott golfer.
But it's
not an accurate representation of, like, thevalidity of them as where they stand.
Absolutely agree.
Absolutely agree.
% accurate.
And that's—yeah.
Well, and that's just showing, I

(45:55):
Brent's point that the PGA Tour tried to dothis to get all the big guys, and it clearly
didn't work.
Yeah.
Just one, really.
I mean, Wyndham's playing.
Collin Morikawa's playing.
So let me go through kind of the big guys thatare playing, right?
So Shane Lowry, McIlroy, Morikawa, WyndhamClark.

(46:17):
You got Sahith Theegala playing.
You've got—that's pretty much it.
Pretty much it.
You've got, yeah.
I mean, other than, yeah.
For Wyndham, Matt, Collin, Rory, Billy'splaying.
Akshay Bhatia's playing.
Is Harman playing?

(46:38):
Brian is.
not playing.
He's playing.
Is he playing?
Is he not?
I think he was in the further odds.
I just remember seeing his name.
Okay.
Down the coast here.
I mean, so here's something crazy.
So Kevin Kisner's playing with Grayson Sigg.
So wait a minute.

(46:59):
That's true.
So I'll give you an example.
Grayson Sigg is playing.
Kevin Kisner got him into the event.
So they can invite then a qualified player caninvite
Correct.
Can have whatever partner they want.
Ángel Hidalgo or Oriol is playing withAlejandro Del Rey.

(47:20):
I have no idea who those guys are.
Jonathan Byrd is playing.
Got on a sponsor's invite, invited ChessonHadley.
Yannik Paul, who's a European tour player, isthe brother of, is the twin of, Jeremy Paul,
got invited to play.

(47:41):
Let's see.
Okay.
Here's a good one.
Charley Hoffman and Nick Watney.
Those guys might win it.
A good team.
They could absolutely win it.
Then here's my, like I said, my most favoritepart about this is Troy Merritt and Robert
Streb.

(48:01):
And both of those guys, they're super cooldudes.
They're really good players.
But, again, we're talking about, like, purelevel of competition, and there's a clear sort
of line between what's happening right now fromthe Korn Ferry Tour players and the top PGA
Tour players versus the guys that have justkinda hung around and are sort of in their late

(48:22):
30s, early to mid-40s, and just hanging aroundin the past champions category.
But, you know, till we do, you know.
So
Should we get books?
Brent, you wanna go first?
Sure.
Let me, since I just went through the fieldlist.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go

(48:42):
Rachel's hooking me up.
to Luke Donald.
Wow.
Dangerous.
Well, wait.
Wait.
Run that back.
What'd you say?
Camilo Villegas and Luke Donald.
Okay.
I mean, in alternate shot, you can't beat LukeDonald at short game or putting.

(49:03):
Camilo Villegas is a great ball striker, gooddriver of the ball.
Luke Donald just hits it in the fairway everytime, so they're never gonna make a big number.
And, really, all you need there is justconsistency.
All of a sudden, you get two birdieopportunities for those two guys.
Who knows?
We'll see.
If Rory takes it seriously, though, it's Imean, what do we I mean
Yeah.
Like, seriously?

(49:23):
I mean, him and Shane Lowry are gonna be toughto beat.
Buttsy, why don't you go ahead with your pick?
I don't have a pick.
I think it's ridiculous.
He's standing on business for that.
I'm gonna go with the Højgaard brothers.
I just I I would love to see two brothers winthis thing, and I don't necessarily love Matt
and Alex Fitzpatrick, so I'm going with theHøjgaard brothers this week.

(49:45):
I'm gonna change my life.
I mean, we've got four wins so far, and I'mjust like, let's see what we can do here.
I do think Rory and Shane will show up, though,and they will probably win because Shane's
playing really well.
Rory's obviously on Cloud 9.
So
It's his year.
I mean, think about that.

(50:06):
Right?
So, like, it was, like, tail tail end of lastyear when he won those European events.
We were like, man, if Scottie you know, maybewe'll have, like, a Scottie Rory thing all year
and sprinkling some Xander and Collin andWyndham, and it's just pretty much been all
Rory this entire year.
I would rather watch a live event.
This is probably the only only times I wouldsay that with

(50:27):
No.
You wouldn't.
With the PGA Tour.
I would rather watch a LIV event than this.
Funny you say that, man.
Let's because
Let's talk about it.
Well, actually, before we get to LIV Golf,let's just give everybody a quick little update
here to our Natural Grass League.
I know.

(50:47):
It's a good segue that we had there into LIVGolf.
You teed it up beautifully.
However, I don't want to let you down, Buttsy,by not getting the people pumped up about the
Grass League that is happening next week wherethe Grass League folks, this is the par-3
league here under the lights in Arizona atGrass Clippings Golf Course in Tempe, Arizona.

(51:12):
And this is a two-man scramble, one of thehighest-stakes events that you will ever watch.
It is absolutely phenomenal.
There is so much action, and we've got a localhere in Buttsy.
He will be playing in the April 30 qualifiernext Wednesday.
I was talking with Todd today, Todd Dobson thatis, and from the Grass League.

(51:35):
And he was like, Matt, you gotta be out hereWednesday for Buttsy.
You gotta cheer him on.
I was like, yeah.
You know what?
I think I could do that.
So we're gonna be over at which this kindastarts the entire Grass League week.
Tuesday night, Pull Hook Golf.
We will be over at Grass League headquarters inArcadia, in Arizona.

(51:57):
Buttsy and I will be over there with ToddDobson, and we will be doing a full promo for
the event.
We're gonna be asking Todd a ton of questions.
We're gonna get Buttsy all hyped up for thenext day with the qualifier on April 30.
Buttsy's gonna be playing with CarlosRodriguez.
And then May 1 is the actual draft.
So this is the first-ever Grass League draftthat's gonna be happening to where the teams,

(52:23):
the franchises actually get to pick a team fromthe qualifier.
Yeah.
May 2 is the opening round.
That is Friday.
Bryce Vaughn is gonna be performing.
So that's where I bought my tickets for Friday.
I made sure to take the wife over there.
It's gonna be a fun event to go see the boysplaying in the Grass League, and then

(52:44):
afterwards, Bryce Vaughn.
And then from there, May 3 is the final round,and there's some guy who's with a bunch of
letters in his name.
X C X I I something.
I don't know the guy who's performingafterwards, but it seems like it's gonna be an
absolutely great time.
So, once again, Buttsy and I will be live nextTuesday at the Grass League headquarters with

(53:06):
Todd Dobson to kick off the Grass League week.
We're pumped up about that.
And that leads us into the final.
Yeah.
I think I could speak on this a little bit.
I don't know if I should, but there is astrategy on behalf of Team United.
So, and I think you probably know this.

(53:27):
You know which picks they have.
Right?
Are you familiar?
No.
I don't.
K.
So the whole I'm just gonna say
Here we go.
Well, this this could be really oh, mind.
I just got a text message.
Somebody is watching, and they said, shut thefuck up.
Okay.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna expose that.

(53:49):
Never mind.
Did not give up the strategy from Team United.
That is fantastic.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I can't
You tell them whoever you are.
It's goddamn hilarious.
We'll have to wait till after the fact to yeah.
It'll make
sense, though.
I love it.
I can't wait for it.
I'm actually super pumped up about this entirething.

(54:12):
Me too.
Really looking forward to it.
We really willed it into existence with Buttsybeing a part of this.
That's fucking true.
Like, that's 100% true.
Started out as a murmur, and then TV watchedthe thing, and you did an incredible job.
And, like, yeah, here we are.
Now we gotta now we
gotta get the prize.
Congrats.

(54:32):
Come on.
Where's our applause thing, Matt?
Come on.
We don't have the
soundboard anymore.
Soundboard in front of me.
We have the soundboard.
It's just nobody's manning it.
So how hard.
Die still under something.
I haven't figured out a way to get it over towhere I'm sitting, so I'll figure that out at
some point.
Maybe I'll move the desk back over here sothat, we have that.

(54:55):
You can't take a shoe off?
Accessible.
Take a shoe off, put it on the ground, like,hit it with the big toe.
Like, you can't get good at that?
You need a foot pedal.
You need a foot pedal.
That's what you need.
Saying.
Like, just
start practicing.
There's numerous buttons on that thing.
They're not massively huge.
All feed one foot pedal, like, depending onwhat feet.

(55:16):
Oh, you use?
Yeah.
That'd be fantastic.
That'd be awesome.
You guys are out of control.
So let's move into the final team event, whichis happening this weekend, which Buttsy
mentioned that he'd be interested in watchingover the Zurich Classic, which is LIV Golf
Mexico City.
This is happening, folks, at Club de GolfChapultepec.

(55:40):
And, with that, they have previously hostedmultiple WGC events.
Okay?
It is I don't know how to say it.
It's Club de Golf Chapultepec.
Let me get
Club Chapultepec.
Club de
Oh, I know.
I know.
It's Chapultepec.
It's Chukchansi Gold.

(56:00):
You know, they hosted several WGC events.
But my question
to the
two of you, yeah.
That thing.
Buttsy, I'm gonna start with you.
Is LIV Golf actually growing the game byplaying in destinations like this?
Yeah.
I think for the local folks there that live offof less than $2 a day, they can't wait to

(56:22):
invest that money in a set of clubs.
Holy shit.
That's fantastic.
That was potentially the best thing that I'veheard in a really long time.
Oh, man.
That was great.
Getting clipped.
Yeah.

(56:42):
That's getting clipped.
Sorry.
No.
But, yeah, that no.
Not at least not for the local audience.
I think there's a certain demographic thatlikes to see a destination tournament.
They're still on it.
Okay.
Just get it out.
Keep
going.
Come on.
Pull through.

(57:03):
Another e.
Dude.
They're making $2 an hour looking to invest.
A day.
A day.
Not a day.
Oh, $2 a day.
Looking to invest that money right into a setof golf clubs.
They are
high. Same
Same guy who's running a mower out there.

(57:23):
Can't wait to get off work.
Oh my.
Maybe save up an off party then.
Hope Cougars Gatty is there.
Once a year.
Oh, man.
That's so good.
Dude.
Maybe Cougars Gatty and the winner of thetournament will be there, so that's the main
sponsor.
Oh god.
I don't even know where to take it from there.
So clearly, LIV Golf is growing the game.

(57:45):
Yeah.
If that's the case.
Brent, Brent, do I need to kick it over to youon that one?
Those people can't afford to play video gamegolf, bro.
Like, this is not
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, shock.
Obviously, they aren't.
I mean, everything you've seen with what thePGA Tour is doing.
And if you spend one half round around thesemini tours and realize how many great players

(58:09):
there are in these qualifiers and these KornFerry events and then realize how much it takes
and the investment and all that other stuff andhow many sponsors are pulling out.
Yeah.
It's actually sad, the state of the gamecurrently, but, boy, those 20, 30 guys that got
those paychecks, they're living large.

(58:31):
So I saw
that they're growing the game.
I saw I don't know if this was today.
Did you see this?
There were a few accounts that posted it, someof this shit's fake news, so I take it with a
grain of salt.
But Paul Azinger, I believe it was.
Did you see his commentary saying that the bestguys I think it was something like this.
The best guys are no longer playing on the PGATour solely.

(58:53):
There's two tours, and the PGA Tour is fastbecoming a proving ground for the LIV tour.
And I was like, okay.
I don't know about that, Paul.
I mean, I don't think that's true at all.
But yeah.
I don't know if that's even by him.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I met him yeah.

(59:13):
I saw him last week.
He stopped by.
Super nice gentleman, but he's definitelygetting on in years.
But yeah.
The fact that no deal has been done, they'vebeen actively denying everything that the LIV
tour or the PIF has been putting up.
There's not gonna be any sort of merger anytimesoon.

(59:35):
What it is is there's PGA Tour A, PGA Tour B,and PGA Tour C.
PGA Tour A is way up here, and B and C are sortof somewhere down here somewhere.
And, that's pretty much how they want it.
But those are not proving grounds.
LIV Tour has nothing to do with it.

(59:55):
That's what I said.
So these guys, I don't think anybody's they'renot giving out money anymore like they used to.
Like, maybe if there was still a chance to signa $100 million contract, if you were one of the
top guys and, you know, they begged you to comeover, that was still happening?
Okay.
Maybe that holds water.
That's why I was wondering if you guys saw thatquote because that's gotta be old.

(01:00:16):
That's gotta be like an expired quote.
There's no way anybody
It might be.
Yeah.
I mean, a top golfer has a great quote righthere.
LIV is where professionals go to die.
I mean, that's pretty direct.
I will say this.
Now with this golf course, it is where theyheld WGC events.
So, clearly, the PGA Tour through WGC wastrying to grow the game of golf and so forth.

(01:00:42):
But, let's move on from growing the gamebecause I don't really agree with both of you.
I don't think it's really doing that, inparticular.
However, one of the reasons they might havecome here is because some of their guys have
dominated at this golf course.
Like, Dustin Johnson, he won it in 2017 and2019.

(01:01:04):
You know, Phil Mickelson won it in 2018, andPatrick Reed won it in 2020.
So you got a bunch of guys that have won thatare currently on LIV.
So it is a LIV-dominated golf course.
Maybe they're hoping for a revival of DustinJohnson.
Who knows?
But there's also Mexico's own in Carlos Ortizand Abraham Ancer.

(01:01:27):
They're the local favorites this week.
And yeah.
I mean, I don't really have a question to anyof that other than any interest in watching
this event this week with Bryson and Co.
Let's back up a little.
This is what I was saying when we were talkingabout the Zurich after you broke down the
field, one, and the format, two, and thebullshit points that are being given out.

(01:01:51):
I'd rather watch the LIV tour event.
There you have it.
Hot take right there.
Brent, what about you?
As long as somebody tries to pull off thatbunker shot that Tiger hit that one time on a
dogleg, a dogleg right par 4 with an 8-ironthat sliced, like, 40 yards and then stuck in
the ground and, like, went to, like, 4 feet.
We see some of that stuff.

(01:02:12):
I might tune in, but I don't think the bigcat's playing anytime soon.
So, I'm gonna go with a no, and I'll be alittle busy.
So who cares, Wes?
So this is gonna be since I turned heel on LIVand gave myself a nice reprieve of having to
watch LIV golf.
I'm I'm back to I will watch this event, and Iwill let you guys know how it is next week.

(01:02:36):
That sounds good.
Love it.
I
love LIV.
Big LIV lover.
Always have been.
They just come out with a LIV tour thatparallels the LIV tour.
Yeah.
And it's just people that are libs.
I'm libs.
And all they do is just bitch the whole time.

(01:02:56):
Don't forget the colored hair.
Oh, absolutely love it.
I am curious to see the guys that played in theMasters that, let's see if,
let's see
how they perform this week in Mexico.
Let's see if they dominate or if they get beatby their fellow. What
What
What ended up happening with all those guys, bythe way, at the Masters?

(01:03:18):
I only saw one up there.
Well,
there was Bryson.
There was Patrick Reed.
They finished in the top 10.
So there was two of them.
That's right.
And then they did not have a great showing.
So, like, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Koepka, PhilMickelson, Sergio Garcia, a lot of these guys
missed the cut.
And so that kinda begged the question of, youknow, is it fair for fans to expect so much out

(01:03:40):
of these guys?
Yes.
The haters on the PGA Tour side all said, hey.
They got paid a shit ton of money.
They should be up there, and we should expectthem to be up at the top.
Then you got the LIV Golf side that's like,hey.
We did great even though most of our guysdidn't make the cut.

(01:04:02):
We you know what we you know what we didn'ttalk about?
And maybe this is moot, but who were some ofthe top guys that were ranked on the PGA Tour
that that didn't finish well or didn't make thecut?
Do you know what I mean?
A fair statement.
Like, how many guys on the tour that were,like, expected to at least make the cut just

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fucking played like shit?
Wyndham.
And,
we realized that
Wyndham is probably one off.
Alternate, and it's tough.
Yeah.
I didn't I didn't I didn't pay too too muchattention, especially when some guy made this
comparison of Nick Dunlap's won twice on thePGA Tour, and he finished last.

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And Bryson DeChambeau hasn't won on LIV, and hefinished top 10.
So and I'm just like, that dude that dude mightbe the dumbest motherfucker I've ever heard in
my life because where
you can't yeah.
They you pulling that where are you pullingthat from?
So they're they're trying to say they're tryingto correlate that the PGA Tour is easier to win

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on because you look at a guy like Nick Dunlap.
And then LIV Golf is so difficult because youlook at a guy like Bryson DeChambeau, and then
based off of their finishes at the Masters, hasno context whatsoever about the fact that Nick
Dunlap had the yips, like, literally couldn'thit a drive to save his life in that first
round.
That's and that's like this goes back my pointof having an expectation of LIV players.

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Like, they should play good at this tournament.
It's like, you should play good at anytournament.
Could play good.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Like, golf is a
Nick Dunlap's a hell of a player.
He's saying that, he should probably, like, notexist on the PGA Tour anymore because of,
having the driver yips for the week, and theyshowed up at the worst time possible.
He's the worst player ever now?

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No.
So you can't share that same sentiment for theLIV guys.
We're they're all pros no matter what amount ofmoney they took.
I mean, I'm surprised that people didn't comeout and just say, you know, Bryson, this was
the argument that I always thought was gonnaplay really well throughout the first couple of
years was that, yeah, look how they performedon Sunday when they had to play a fourth round

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because they're so used to only playing threerounds.
That kind of played well for Bryson at theMasters, but not Patrick Reed.
Patrick Reed played well all four days.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a historical thing.
I mean, you look at Dustin Johnson when he won.
I think he won his green jacket.
What was it?
'20.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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It was COVID.
COVID won it.
And listen, nobody's gonna take away DustinJohnson's career.
I would take his in a heartbeat.
And if I were him, I probably would have takenthe money and said, deuces to the PGA Tour as
well.
But at the end of the day, the guys that haveplayed well at the Masters, we talked about a
couple of weeks ago, played well.

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The guys that don't, they didn't.
And there wasn't any surprise for many of thoseguys.
And as I mentioned, the fact that Wyndhamdidn't show up and he wasn't, you know, chasing
the lead isn't a surprise.
You know why?
Because he doesn't play well at the Masters.
It's not a
It's horses for courses.
Right?
Yeah.
That's why Joaquin Niemann, everybody was sohigh on Joaquin Niemann that are LIV Golf fans,

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but they don't understand Joaquin doesn't playgreat at the Masters.
His game isn't great for Augusta National to beconsistent through all four days.
He's not a great lag putter.
That was the one thing that I saw.
This is Yeah.
That's an awesome statement.
Horses for courses.
And it's proven.
It's proven.
Yeah.

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Look at the last 20 years.
There's a reason that guys, like, don't do dickall year, and they win the same tournament over
and over.
Or
Tiger Woods.
I mean, look at he literally selected his hisschedule since February, And you saw he won
these golf tournaments over and over and overagain.
That's not to say he hasn't played well on adifferent you know, on on many different

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surfaces and and so and so on, but it's thesame thing with the British Open.
It's the same thing with US Open.
You have, for the last fifty years, guys whohave won one or two or three US Opens but never
showed up, and their career is poof, gone.
Yeah.
It's it's trickles.
It's not a surprising thing.
This trickles down to the amateur golfer and tothe regular weekend guy too.
And I can ask Matt this, like, you've playedenough golf here locally.

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I have too.
There are courses in town that I play better atday in and day out than I do other ones.
Like, Troon North beats my ass, but if I goover to Lone Tree, it fits my like or even
harder courses for some people, play betterthere.
For whatever fucking reason, like, it fits youreye, the greens, everything, it's just like you
said, horses for courses.
It fits the game.

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Yeah.
It really does.
The amount of guys the amount of guys that areable to do what, I mean, even even what Rory
has done kind of in his career.
Right?
Like, look at Quail Hollow.
Every time he's there at Quail Hollow, he'sprobably gonna win.
Why?
Because a bomb high draw fits that placereally, really well.

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And going back to Joaquin Niemann, you knowwhat doesn't fit well at Augusta?
A low bullet cut ever.
Like, it doesn't fit in any fairway.
So, I mean, it's not I really wish there waskind of a, like, a gymnast person outside,
like, an actual media that was there going,hey.

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Like, this is the history of the game.
And, like, this is here.
Listen to my silky voice.
Maybe that's what you should do, Matt.
Maybe you should just jump on and just be like,once a week, you just audiobook it or
something, and people just listen and learn howto actually watch the game and watch it
intelligently.
We need you out to the qualifier with the liveon-course audio.

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Seriously.
A hundred percent.
Maybe we'll talk to Todd about that on Tuesday.
We'll see.
I'm sure he would not be.
You need to do it.
I mean, they have somebody in scene, don'tthey?
You do that.
And they'd be like, yeah.
We kinda need you here for the
Can we get Chuck off of school that day?
Can we get him to carry the camera around?

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For sure.
Yeah.
That'd be great.
Yeah.
But there it is.
Like, this is one of the interesting things toothat I found with Live Golf, and I really found
it when I went heel on live.
And by the way, folks, it was heel on live.
Okay?
Wasn't that I absolutely truly do hate LiveGolf.

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I don't.
It's just that it was fun to play that role andto be that bad guy.
Yeah.
That's the heel of Buttsy right there.
That is a heel.
That's so difficult.
But in interacting with some of these accountsthat are like, look at the one kid who
literally picked up golf, like, two years ago,can't break 80, has no idea what he's talking

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about, but acts like he's an expert becausehe's a LIV Golf lover.
And it's like, God.
Don't know what you don't know, man.
There's too many people out there on the LIVGolf side from a fan perspective that are,
like, hardcore fans that are, like, trying tobattle but just are uneducated.
They don't know the game.
They don't know the history.

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They don't know what to actually look for, andthey think that their arguments are relevant
and good, and they're moronic.
Like, they're terrible.
Like, the one that I told you where the guy wastrying to compare Bryson to Nick Dunlap to try
to show some type of connection there betweenthe value of how difficult each league is.

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And it's like, there's no relevance therewhatsoever.
You can't compare those two.
It's a terrible argument.
Like, you just can't you can't fight crazy.
You can't fight
No, dude.
Like saying Jon Rahm so we're saying thatbecause Jon Rahm hasn't done well on LIV that
that LIV is harder than the PGA Tour?
So it's fine.

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That's essentially what that is saying.
Right?
Like, it's not even worth,
like, clowning the guy.
He's too stupid.
He's, like, too stupid.
You're not gonna get through to somebody likethat.
Exactly.
And that's the point there.
Right?
You can't fight with a crazy person who's justthey've got no idea what they're talking about.
Austin Whittington here.
I just couldn't imagine being a hardcore LIVfan.

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I couldn't either.
That's one of the hard things.
I tried to play neutral for so long, andthere's one side that gets very frustrating,
and it's the LIV Golf side.
But I do want to bring an unbiased approach toactually educating and bringing people into the
fold when it comes to either side because,ultimately, once they become educated, they're

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going to realize that there is one premierleague, and that's the PGA Tour.
And that's
Oh, yeah.
Not going to change.
I'll say this about LIV.
I'm not, I guess I mean, I wouldn't call me afan, but I would say if your bias has been in
the way and you just think it's so bad andyou've never actually, like there's a huge

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group of people that hate LIV that have nevertaken the time of day to log on to the app and
actually try to look at it and watch theproduct and then form that opinion.
They just stay blind, hate,
and that's one who would ask.
I think I'm the only person that has watchedevery event for the first two years.

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And while I have issues with it, right?
I have issues with the PGA Tour.
But that was the fun thing about going heel isI could just go ahead and play into the bias.
But in reality, I'm really good at steppingback and taking a very unbiased neutral
approach to things, and that's one thing withLIV.

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When I was actually not being heel in regardsto it, I was saying things that could make LIV
Golf better, and there's anyways, let's move onfrom that.
I'm gonna go down a rabbit hole.
For sure.
Last thing that we'll talk about tonight is theWesley Bryan suspension.
That took place for him playing in theinfluencer event where there was $250,000 up

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for grabs.
They were threatened with a suspensionbeforehand.
So I spoke with one of the influencers ahead oftime, and that's where I had confirmed that
they were threatened with a suspension.
However, apparently, that kind of went away.
Like, they kind of eased up on it, and then allof a sudden, now we saw before the Punta Cana

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Corrales tournament, Wesley Bryan and hisfamily were already out there, and he gets a I
have not heard.
Yeah.
I I I feel like it is an it it's a suspension.
Go away.
Yes.
It was a suspension.
The risk of the suspension didn't go away.

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The meat and the potatoes of that, as Iunderstand it, was for an influencer event,
like, it went away.
Like, if you are an active tour player like heis, it still very much applies to you.
Right.
Yeah.
Like, you're an active tour player.
We will absolutely enforce this on you.

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You absolutely can't plan something affiliatedwith it.
And he
went ahead and did it.
And he did it.
And, you know, you flew by a cop at a hundredand you got pulled over.
I don't know what to tell you.
Like
Yeah.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
I mean, there were enough.
So there are probably three or four guys thatare really, really close to them, and close to

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the whole Bryan Bros thing, that play on theKorn Ferry Tour pretty regularly.
And they all they all said, well, did you seethis?
And and and I asked.
I said, so what really happened?
And, basically, like you said, Matt, it was,hey.
You probably don't want to do this.
And then, by the way, that's on every singlelevel, whether it be, certain things that

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people take supplement-wise or a, you know, youprobably shouldn't do this.
Corn Belt weed.
That's just the blanket term that you get whenyou ask a question from the tour that may or
may not be on the line as far as, you know,breaking the rules.

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And then they get back to you pretty quick.
And it just so happens that he was in theDominican, and so they took the opportunity to
make an example of him.
But I don't think he cared.
And I think Wesley has continued to show thathe has a pretty high level of contentment with

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regards to the PGA Tour and their decisions.
And he is more focused on YouTube golf becauseit makes him more money.
But he did not fight the public relationsdepartment of people that were going to bat for
him as a result of it.
He fucking loved that.

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Oh, yeah.
I mean, the whole scene and you guys have beendoing this long enough.
I mean, the whole influencer scene is all aboutall news is good news no matter what.
All people must be a skip of the city no matterwhat.
Yeah.
He probably did.
I mean, honestly, the DR is great.
I mean, it's a great event to play in, but ifyou're just cruising down there, especially if

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you're like me and you like to smoke cigars, Imean, just go have a blast.
The question is how long is this suspensiongonna hold up?
And
That's the word that I'm looking for.
I'm looking for the word.
It is not undetermined.
It's not undefined.
What the hell is it called when it is ongoing?
What the hell is that

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type of stuff called?
Indefinitely.
There we go.
Where every single LIV individual, right, isunder suspension indefinitely.
Right?
So we don't know how long it's gonna last.
It's not like back in the days with Brooks andDustin when they got an injury, and it happened
to be for exactly two weeks or two months.

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So that's, you know, the injury happened twoseconds ago.
This is the second part to this whole storythat kinda gets you to throw some dirt into an
open wound.
Grant Horvat gets an invite the same week intoa PGA Tour event, the Barracuda.
And so

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Well, he's an independent contractor.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
He's also never signed that PGA Tour contract.
Right?
Correct.
Yeah.
Correct.
But the moment that he signs, all you do isclick yes when you go to register.
The moment he does that, guess what he cannotdo that week?
He cannot film anything and put it up on hisown YouTube.

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So everything is going to be the PGA Tour'sapproval.
Yeah.
That would be a pretty good trade-off for usfor a tour start.
I'd do that probably.
But it just it just shows you.
Right?
So is the PGA Tour really against the LIV, oris it okay?
We're only against it when it costs us.
Right?
If we have an opportunity to benefit from it,right?

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Because, I mean, Grant was with Tiger just acouple months ago, and he's kinda bouncing back
and forth between the two organizations andusing as much clout from those interactions as
he possibly can.
And it I mean, good for Grant.
Do I believe that he belongs anywhere near aTour event?
No.
I've never even heard of him necessarilybreaking par in an actual event.

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So it's
it's just business.
A hundred guys.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
There are a hundred guys that could take hisspot and actually well.
The PGA Tour not allowing its likeness and theextension of its likeness being the players
that are active with them to represent acompetitor.

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That makes sense to me.
That makes sense.
Grant is not that.
Grant's not an active tour member.
He has nothing to do with the PGA Tour, andhaving him in to pump up content to get that
following to hop on there and to pump up whatthey're doing, that makes sense.
That is not the same as Wesley, you know,that's just not the same deal.

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It's just not on from a business perspective,like, it just doesn't make any sense to fight
that argument.
That's what's pretty interesting about all ofthis to me is that you've got, like, when this
all went down with the influencers and LIVGolf, I don't know if you guys recall this, but
I posted something on Twitter where I said, Iwonder how the PGA Tour is going to feel about

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this.
They're probably gonna be a little spurned bythe entire thing.
And then I came to learn that the creators,that group that the PGA Tour put together with
Paige Spiranac, Bob Does Sports, Barstool, soon and so forth, they don't get any
compensation out of that whatsoever asinfluencers.
No.
So then all of a sudden, I'm like, well, youcan't really, like, go after the influencers.

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And sure enough, who'd they go after?
Wesley Bryan.
I was not surprised.
I wasn't even like, I was indifferent on thewhole entire thing.
Like, one, I wasn't surprised.
Two, I knew that the PGA Tour was gonna dosomething because that that really chapped
their ass when they saw those guys go overthere and do everything, and they were gonna
take it out on somebody.

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And Wesley Bryan just happened to be the onethat they felt like they could do that to and
have it actually hurt.
Because, like, if somebody sent Fat Perez asuspension letter, right, he's probably never
playing in a PGA Tour event.
Send it over to one of the Barstool guys.

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Like, that's probably never going to happen.
No problem with that.
There's none.
Where Wesley Bryan, that held some gravity, andit got headlines.
It it should.
No.
He's a member.
The PGA Tour.
He's a part of their organization.
He is part of their business model.
And yep.
Yeah.
I mean, it doesn't I don't know why that's sohard for people to understand.

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I I think it's I I think it comes down to thesame argument that that a couple of the guys
had when they decided to sue the tour a fewyears ago.
And it it just this idea that that that thewhole image and likeness thing is somehow as if
it's surprising that the PGA Tour is gonnaprotect itself.

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We literally can't I mean, they asked Brysonduring COVID.
Actually, they told him during COVID to takedown his YouTube page, and it wasn't until he
split from the split from the split from thetour, indefinitely, that he was able to create
the channel that he was able to create andbasically become the world's number one YouTube

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golfer and YouTube influencer.
So, yeah, I mean, it's it's frustrating.
Obviously, every single one of us that have toessentially become an influencer in order to
make any money off the course are all prettyfrustrated because we can't use any of the
footage that we get while we're literally doingwhat we do for a living, even though we're
independent contractors.

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I
Yeah.
Well, Brent, did you hear that LIV Golf is andso a lot of guys misinterpreted the LIV Golf
side and their contracts where even well, Icame out with it, and I stated that on Twitter
that Bryson was battling with PIF over thatentire ordeal because LIV thinks that they own

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the rights to those YouTube channels.
Phil's, his, and Mr.
Short Game came out just last month andreconfirmed the fact that those guys are in
battles with LIV Golf right now where LIV Golfbelieves that they own those YouTube channels.
How much Mr.

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Short Game's a big YouTuber.
How much do you want to bet that there arestipulations to Grant accepting that also
involve some sort of a takeover or whatever oruse of his YouTube channel and his following
For that week?
Still, as part of that deal.

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Like, they're not doing it just to have himplay in hopes that they watch.
I'm sure they're smarter than that.
Like, there has to be something going on wherethere's at least parameters as to what you're
gonna put up, like, what you're gonna, you knowwhat I mean?
What you're gonna show.
There's rules.
I'm sure it all, like Brent said, he can't filmthat week, but I bet they want him to film that

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week just with rules.
Yeah.
He can't, so on his individual like, so hecan't walk around, right, and say, here we are
at the, you know, Reno-Tahoe Open, Barracuda orwhatever.
You know, here's the first tee or whatever, andthen post it and have the PGA Tour not be

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involved at all.
So his for that be involved
at practice round.
Right?
So even that's even that's questionable.
So
Putnam does it.
So he does, but so the reason is he tags thePGA Tour, and what ends up happening is it goes
under review, and then they go, okay.
Yeah.
This is fine.
So if it were to happen and they say, hey.

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You know what?
This was not what we wanted you to show, yadayada.
In other words, it's the same thing with WesleyBryan.
Right?
So, like, it's, yeah, it's okay.
Maybe it's not okay.
We'll decide later.
And it just so happens that, in this case, he'splaying in an opposite field event.
He's gonna be the most watched player thereeven though, again, I mean, he's gonna shoot

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God knows how much.
Oh.
And
It's a Barracuda, so it's gonna be inStableford.
So you won't even really realize how much howbad he's playing.
Or
he'll score, I mean, maybe 10 to 15 points intwo rounds.
Which, by the way, all of a sudden, you saythat instead of 78?

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Like exactly.
It's a big difference.
Right?
Well, I mean, in the media world, how manytimes do you see this where these guys are
like, oh, yeah.
You know what?
In the business world in general, we'll put ourmorals and our values here and what we've been
standing for, putting Saudi Arabia up againstthe wall for 9/11 and all the BS news that the

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Golf Channel put out during the whole fight.
You know what?
Even though you deal with LIV mostly, we'lljust put that on hold because you're Grant
Horvat.
Alright, gentlemen.
Well, I think that wraps it up for tonight.
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Next week, we will be coming from Grass Leagueheadquarters.
We'll have special guest Todd Dobson on.
Brent, we hope you play great this week.
Obviously, getting in
with the Monday Q.

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We are absolutely pumped for you, man.
Definitely see you trending in the rightdirection.
It's only a matter of time, my friend.
Looking forward to some great results.
Keep your head in the game.
And, Buttsy, I will be seeing you soon, buddy.
We've got the Grass League next week.
We'll see you everybody.
Same bat time, same bat channel.
Peace out.

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