The 2025 Memorial: Can Anyone Stop Scheffler?

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How are you feeling about Scottie Scheffler?
Do you feel like this is his tournament tolose?
Yeah.
We it it started what was it?
Last year or the year before?
He got real streaky.
Everybody was like, whoa.
Modern Tiger.
Holy And then, you know, you had the kid, andthen it seemed like there was a just a little
lull, if you even wanna call it that.
And then right back on the horse, and he he itlooks like he's about to prove himself that he

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is that guy.
I think it is his to lose for sure.
I think it'd be stupid not to think that.
Do you think Jack's gonna take this personalButtsy?
Yeah.
I think he already has.
I think it's especially at his later age, howdo you know, how many years he got left.
You can't even let the man know.
You know?
It's little shitty.
Orts is a huge media play, and that's the wholepoint of it is to to create that kind of buzz.

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But, yeah, he should take it personally.
Is CBS the best broadcast for golf?
I I mean, I'm biased.
I I absolutely I mean, would I wish that that,good old Gary McCord and, David Feherty were
back and to complete the squad?
Yeah.
But nobody's better than Jim Nantz.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.

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Tonight, we've got Buttsy with us as ourco-host.
We got our tour insider and Brent Grant.
We've got a great episode for all of you.
This is the 2025 Memorial preview.
I'm excited.
I'm really excited about this, guys.
And I'll I'll explain why as we go into ittonight.
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But tonight, as I mentioned, it's all about thememorial, and this past Monday yesterday was

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Memorial Day.
So Botsy, part of our tee off report withBotsy, know I didn't prep you on this one.
So what's your favorite thing about holidayweekends like Memorial Day, so getting that
three-day weekend going?
I just like that everybody's kinda in partymode, you know, and there's like a vibe to it.

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It kinda makes you do this.
The whole time.
You're like when you get a nice plate of ribsin front of you, and it's the ref.
And you're just like, no.
For real, though, I like it when you go to thegas station, everybody's walking out of there
with beer and cigarettes and all of the goodthings, huge bags of chips, carts full of stuff
at the grocery store.
Everybody's getting ready to go out and party,whether they're going to the lake or the pool.

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For me, weekend, it was the golf course.
But it's just the vibe.
And you can feel it wherever you go.
And that's my favorite part about it.
Love that.
The vibe out there on a three-day weekend, likeMemorial Day weekend.
Now, Buttsy, I did see on Instagram you wereout there playing some golf this weekend, and
then you got a little loose there afterward.

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I saw some of the stories.
Just curious.
How are you feeling today?
We're doing good today, actually.
I thought it would be way worse.
Got up very early.
A lot of hydration yesterday.
Huge meal from a barbecue place last night.
I think that soaked up most of it, but gotthrough our routine today.
Saw a cold plunge, a little workout in, andwe're feeling pretty nice tonight.

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Very relaxed, actually.
Yeah.
You look relaxed.
You look refreshed.
You look ready to go, except that upper lipjust keeps on twitching, which really that
could be the drugs.
It could be something else.
Brent is mimicking that as well over there.
He's got his electrolytes water.
Brent, we do not want any rumors being startedabout you with your upper lip moving around out

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there.
And where are you at this week, Brent?
Right now, I am in Murrieta, California.
Not echoing, I hope.
You are
a little bit, but that's okay.
Oh, that's great.
Walk a little softer.
No.
You're fine.
Playing a little Astro Tour event is just abunch of guys getting ready for Canadian tour
Q-School, so I figured I'd come over and playin a little something something to do.

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Great golf course, Bear Creek Golf Club.
Yeah, it actually hosted a, I think it was aWeb.com event.
It was actually Rickie Fowler's firstprofessional event.
So the golf course has got some good bones init.
Fantastic stuff.
Well, good luck out there during this week inMurrieta, California.

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As we talk about Rickie Fowler, we got the 2025Memorial preview tournament.
And folks, last year's winner, ScottieScheffler, 8 under par.
And the question that I posed even in thistitle, is this Scottie Scheffler's tournament
to lose?
We haven't said this in a long time.

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Like, you gotta go back to the Tiger days towhere it's all of a sudden, you know, you've
got one player, and then you're like, man, do Itake the rest of the field in this bet?
But it kinda feels that way with ScottieScheffler this week.
Buttsy, I'll start with you, man.
Like, how are you feeling about ScottieScheffler?
Do you feel like this is his tournament tolose?

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Yeah.
We it it started what was it?
Last year or the year before?
He got real streaky.
Everybody was like, whoa.
Modern Tiger.
Holy.
And then, you know, he had the kid, and thatseemed like there was just a little lull, if
you even want to call it that, and then rightback on the horse.
And it looks like he's about to prove himselfthat he is that guy.

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I think it is his to lose for sure.
I think it'd be stupid not to think that.
Brent, what about you, buddy?
What do you think about Scottie Scheffler?
Is this his tournament to lose?
I mean, he won the PGA against possibly thestrongest field in golf, and he did it at—I
won't say a similar course, but it's similar indifficulty.
But at the same time, it just seems like all ofthose guys that were leading into the PGA, we

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were thinking, oh yeah, Rory won the Masters,and JT's playing well, and the list went on,
and then all of a sudden they just all laid anegg.
So that could mean that it could be competitivetowards the end of Sunday, but yeah, I have to
agree.
I think he absolutely has the world of golf inhis hands right now, and as long as his right

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ankle can stay healthy, he should be just fine.
Yeah, it was a little banged up there this lastweekend.
And I also gotta think that it was partiallythe little bit of a hangover from the PGA, and
I'm not talking about the literal hangover fromdrinking alcohol, more so just from winning a
big tournament like that, being emotionallyexhausted, mentally exhausted, and coming into

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that, and yet he goes out there and finishes inthe top 10.
So, I mean, Scottie Scheffler right now is onceagain firing on all cylinders, and he's
somebody who this golf course fits perfectly.
So I do want to talk a little bit about thisbecause guess who did skip out this week?

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Right.
Rory McIlroy has skipped out on the tournamentthis week, and I first want to start with a
question around that.
Is this a slight to Jack?
Do you think Jack's gonna take this personally,Buttsy?
Yeah.
I think he already has.
I think especially at his later age.
He had, you know, how many years he got left.
You can't even let the man know.

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You know?
It's a little or it's just a huge media play,and that's the whole point of it is to create
that kind of buzz.
But, yeah, he should take it personally if he'snot.
Yeah.
I think it's tough because Rory doesn't playgreat at the Memorial, and it's not set up for
his game.
Like, Rory hits a draw.
It's a big draw off the tee, and it doesnot—now granted, Muirfield, you can hit

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anything you want.
If you are a great ball striker, you're gonnaget away with it.
You're gonna be able to play great there, butthe course does line up for a fade because that
was Jack's power fade.
And he designed the golf course after himselfas a golf course that he would want to play,
and so it certainly favors a fade.
Does that mean a player who hits a draw cannotwin there?

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No.
I mean, we've seen it time and time againwhenever we say, oh, this golf course fits x,
y, and z.
Like, for instance, Scottie Scheffler hitting afade two weeks ago at the PGA Championship at
Quail Hollow, which fits a draw.
So certainly it can be done, especially ifyou're playing at a top level.
But Rory skipping out this week.

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I mean, Brent, talk to us from a playerperspective.
Like, why would somebody like Rory skip outthis week?
Yeah.
I mean, we don't obviously know what he's gotgoing on in his personal life, but maybe maybe,
you know, this is you know, the—I think theU.S.
Open is in three weeks, four weeks?

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Two weeks.
Two weeks.
We got RBC
Canada next week, and then we've
got U.S., which is fine.
So he's likely playing the Canadian Open,because he has in the past, but who knows?
Maybe he went to Oakmont, or maybe he went tovisit family, who knows?
But do I think that playing the Memorial andplaying in an elevated event after all of the

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talk about how it's about the best product andso on and so forth, do I think that it's from
my perspective, yeah, it would feel like, whatare you doing?
You won the Masters.
That's great, but the last time I checked, thatdoesn't mean that you're done playing golf.
And he's obviously taken the last two weeksoff.

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I mean, who knows?
Who knows what he's got going on from myperspective?
I would just want to see the best playersthere, and when Scottie wins a tournament and
he's not there, it makes a difference.
For sure.
And here's another thing.
With Rory McIlroy not being there this week, Ican't recall if this announcement came out
before or after the PGA Championship.

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And, obviously, he didn't play well at the PGAChampionship.
Obviously, there's some media about the illegaldriver that's kinda caught a little bit of some
conspiracy theorists out there on social mediaand, you know, him skipping out two weeks in a
row.
And this is a signature event.
I mean, this is a $20 million purse.

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Mhmm.
$4 million goes to the winner.
700 FedEx Cup points.
So we're talking about a big, big tournament.
One of the biggest.
For him to skip out on it and a legend likeJack, like you said, he's gonna take it
personal.
Like, that's gonna be something that Jack isprobably not gonna forget for quite some time.

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And here's the other part.
Rory has been up there in the top tens in thepast, so it's not like it's a course that he
can't play.
He doesn't—he's obviously not won it, but thatkinda goes to the whole thing about the
Masters.
Like, this could have been a year where RoryMcIlroy avenged his loss at the Masters and

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ended up getting the Grand Slam.
Then he goes to Memorial, wins the Memorial forthe first time.
Like, this is a big tournament that I feel likecould have really benefited Rory if he had gone
out there, played well, and potentially had wonthis week.
So I guess my one thing around this is that,you know, with Rory being in this situation,

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not playing this week, and then playing nextweek at the RBC, Buttsy, like, what does this
tell you?
I mean, it's kinda weird.
Right?
It is, man.
Maybe he's scared.
You know?
Maybe once he removes the illegal driver fromthe bag, he secretly started hitting balls on
TrackMan with the legal one, lost like 20 yardsof carry, and doesn't know if he can ever

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compete on tour again without that driver.
So I don't know.
It's something definitely to take a peek at.
I would like to know some more insider infoabout the driver situation, but he could just
be terrified, you know, having lost so muchyardage.
Right?
I mean, that's yeah.
It could be pretty telling if he goes out thereand, you know, the stats keep adding up that he

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was so much shorter with any driver thatthey're putting in the bag.
Maybe he's these past couple weeks has gone toTaylorMade undercover and, you know, maybe
wearing a mustache out there and some glassesso nobody recognizes him.
And maybe they're dialing in a new driver.
Yeah.
For Rory that can get through all the testingand everything.

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But we do have some people chiming in here.
So Austin Whittington said, just doesn'tunderstand skipping the Memorial.
Getting a trophy handed to you by Jack is ahuge thing.
And here's the thing.
Jack is not getting younger, folks.
This, like, as kinda gosh.
As depressing as this sounds, this could beJack's last.

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We don't know.
Like, he's getting up there in age.
He's looking frail.
He's not looking like a young guy anymore oreven like somebody who's getting around well in
their older age, like a Gary Player, forinstance.
So it's like, man, this could be Jack's last,and you're gonna skip out on his tournament and
give up that opportunity.
I just think there's a bigger story there, andit's kind of been swept under the rug.

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Like, are you hearing anything, Brent, from anyof the players or anything around this?
Yeah.
I mean, Rory, the only thing I've heard aboutRory really anything recently, especially after
the Masters, was that essentially he's justgone sort of kind of even more into himself and
even more into his circle.

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Obviously, there have been a number of rumorswith regards to his relationship and his
family.
I don't want to be anywhere near that.
I don't want to comment.
I talk about it.
I don't have an opinion.
He's a grown man.
He's going to have to deal with it by himself.
But as far as anything else, it seems to me,after winning the Masters, he's resting on his

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laurels.
And for somebody like him, good word.
When he's seen success, which he has.
Obviously, he's won five or six Race to Dubaititles.
He's won four, I think, FedEx Cupchampionships, three or four.

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And now that he's won the Masters, I don't seeRory really looking at the rest of the golf
world thinking anything but, I'm just going tosort of play where I want to play, and be all
about the money at this point, like
I doesn't owe anybody anything.
Yeah, and that's fine.
That's great.
I mean, he wants to focus on golf, and he saidas much, which we talked about all last year

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when he was being hyper-political, that he justneeds to shut up and play golf.
And that's exactly what he's done.
And so, kudos to him.
Do I think that skipping out on the Memorial isa good thing to do?
No.
But I absolutely agree that there must besomething else going on.
Around Rory, actually, as you were talkingabout it, I kind of felt like, oh, shit.

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If he had played well in the PGA Championshipand potentially won that, then he's going to
try to get the Grand Slam and play ineverything.
Right?
However, the Masters was the big one for him.
That was the finale, and I don't know if all ofa sudden he just doesn't play well at the PGA
Championship, and then he kind of packs it infor the rest of the year to where he's like,

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well, my career is solidified.
I'm good.
Like, I don't know Rory, so I don't know ifthat's something that he would be thinking or
not.
But, like, Buttsy, put yourself in his shoes.
Could that potentially be something to wherehe's like, man, I'm riding off into the sunset.
If I win another tournament or two, great.
But I'm not really gonna do anything out of myway anymore in regards to schedule or playing

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in tournaments.
Yeah.
Totally.
I mean, absolutely.
That's fine.
And if you're gonna miss the Memorial, justtell Jack you're gonna miss it.
You know?
Yeah.
Big deal.
Okay.
Not gonna be there.
I wanna prep like you guys talked, like Brentsaid, prep for the U.S.
Open, take a step back.
I'm gonna stop listening to what other peopleare telling me I should be doing with my golf
career and do things as I see fit.

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Okay.
Fine.
But, you know, shoot the guy a text or a phonecall or something written.
He might have done that.
But yeah.
I mean, either understand.
They might just be blowing this up, and there'sreally no bad blood at all in the gut.
I don't think that there's any issue with it.
I think clearly Rory's got something else goingon that he feels is important.

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To give the guy the benefit of the doubt,that's kind of where I'm at with it.
But at the same time, I mean, you could tellafter the Masters, you could tell, even just on
Masters Sunday, he was kind of like, What elsedo you want from me?
I've done it.
I proved that I'm at least one of the greatestof all time, and can't argue with the guy.

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And you know what?
Honestly, there's a part of me that if I made acertain number, I would probably check out as
well and play tournaments that I wanted to playand only care about that.
Of course.
I don't blame him.
I'm thinking about it right now, and I'm like,man, if I only won the Masters, because that
would be the one tournament in my mind that ifI win that, my career is set.

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I am good, and I'm probably just riding offinto the sunset if I got enough money at that
point.
Now the credit is million
from LIV.
I mean
Yeah.
I mean,
he already gets yeah.
I mean, you kind of I think you get paid.
I mean, just like the boilerplate sponsorshipthing for a Masters winner is in the millions.
So it's kind of ridiculous.

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Now, there might be some golf courses, theremight be some tournaments where he feels that,
hey, for example, who was it?
Austin Whittington said it perfect, if you wantto pull it up, Matt.
He said he still needs to win the Open at St.
Andrews, which, you know what?
That's absolutely accurate.

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I mean, that's another thing.
That matters to him, though.
It might not.
Like, I I just don't see it from but, again, Idon't know, Rory.
I don't know how competitive he is afterwinning the Masters.
Right?
He might go through a little bit of what werefer to as senioritis where it's like, hey.
I just won the biggest tournament of my life.

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I now have won the grand I am hanging out.
I'm not worrying about golf.
I'm gonna play in some tournaments.
He's got a kid too.
Yeah.
I mean, he's got little Poppy, and I believethey have two kids, right, if I'm not mistaken,
or it's just Poppy.
But anyways, you know, there was a goodquestion here as well from JBTN 23.

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How common is it for drivers to benoncompliant?
I did hear that during the PGA Championship, itwasn't just Rory's that was illegal.
I actually heard Xander Schauffele's was aswell.
So certainly, there's a lot of guys.
And again, it kinda goes back to we weretalking about this last week that the driver,
especially the way that these faces are made,the more these get hit and worn in, the more

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they get that trampoline effect.
Think one of the
reasons why they don't test as much as theyprobably should for an entire field is because
it's probably pretty costly to themanufacturers.
I'm pretty sure the manufacturers have a littlebit of an ear from the testing bodies and so

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forth around, hey.
You know?
Don't be testing my guy every single weekbecause, shit, like, if it gets a little bit
out of compliance, it's not that big of a deal,but it gives a little bit of an advantage.
But these drivers are going to, especially asthe face is thin.
Yeah.
I'm surprised though that Rory didn't.
Sorry.
There was one other thing that I wanna mentionthere is that Rory, it's surprising that he

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hadn't been tested before that.
It's so, I mean, likely with his schedule, youknow, playing a handful of tournaments in the
beginning of the season.
He just wasn't there when they got tested.
Or if he was tested, he didn't fail.
So, I mean, there are, I think, three to fivetests.

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I played 30 some odd events on the 2023 season,and I think guys got tested three times.
Okay.
I mean, not a lot.
Listen, I don't want to go down the testingroute because we did that with the drug testing
where there were a lot of varying opinionsaround that.
So, yeah, we will, you know, it's still kind ofone of those things that might not be tested

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all that often as what Brent's referring tothere.
It's not.
Let's get back into the tournament a littlebit.
I mean, this is at Jack's Place, MuirfieldVillage Golf Club in Dublin, Ohio.
I mean, what he's been able to do for the—Idon't know.
Is it a town?
It's gotta be a town of Dublin in Ohio.
Par 72, yardage 7,569 up in

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the
Northeast area, and you get some humidity outthere.
The ball doesn't travel nearly as far.
And I did mention earlier, this is a signatureseries event.
$20 million purse, $4 million to the winner,plus 700 FedEx Cup points.
So definitely, once again, makes it surprisingthat Rory is taking the week off.

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A little bit later on, we're gonna get intosome memorable stories at the Memorial that
have occurred over the years, and this is partof what was getting my juices going.
Going back and realizing how much history theMemorial has in such a short amount of time.
Exactly.
Guys.
It's one
of my favorite tournaments.
The broadcast this week is CBS.

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Good old Jim Nantz.
And I gotta ask you guys, and I'll start withyou, Brent.
Is CBS the best broadcast for golf?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm biased.
I absolutely—I mean, would I wish that good oldGary McCord and David Feherty were back to
complete the squad?
Yeah.
But nobody's better than Jim Nantz.
Mm-mm.

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I have to agree.
That's my answer.
Yep.
I'm in the same boat.
I think it is hands down CBS is the bestbroadcast.
Mhmm.
And a lot of it has to do with obviously JimNantz being the main lead broadcaster there.
And I will say though that during the PGAChampionship, some of the LIV Golf fans were
not happy.
They actually, all over Twitter, were shittingon Jim Nantz because of Jim Nantz's bias

(23:53):
towards the PGA Tour and how he wasn't pumpingup the LIV Golf guys.
And so that was pretty interesting to see.
Kirk's well known.
It goes back to the fact that LIV Golf fans,and I'm not saying all of them, but I'm saying
that there's a lot of, like, the ones that arewhether they're paid bots or whatever they are,

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right, that don't know a lot about golf.
They can't.
I was thinking about this today.
It was like, would I accept a check from LIV?
Would I have accepted a check from LIV evenwhen I was on the PGA Tour?
And the answer is probably yes, because at theend of the day and the guy that runs the Asher

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Tour had a great point.
He said, dude, if you're really the type ofperson that is all about, you know, the history
and all that other stuff, then that's fine.
But it's your job.
Make as much money at it as you can becausenone of the history, or the who won what when,
none of it matters, because in 50 years, or 100years, or whatever, it just won't make a

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difference.
Not to mention the fact that it's not like whenyou win a golf tournament, all of a sudden your
life is complete.
It doesn't change anything.
Well, if it mattered, then Rory would beplaying this week.
Exactly.
I mean, if it really mattered, these guyswouldn't be playing 15 events a year.
I mean, it's I mean, come on.
LIV Golf, man.

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So Buttsy and I, when we first started whenButtsy came into the show and so forth, we
talked about it.
I talked about it with Mikey Perez at the verybeginning.
Like, back when there was really bad blood and,you know, the whole political thing was going
on, we would have taken the money.
No doubt about it.
Like, there is no question.
That's why I've never disliked the playersbecause of it.

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Like, they took the money and good for them.
Like, I've never had a problem with that.
It's more so the setup, the format, all ofthose things that I don't love.
Yeah.
About LIV Golf, and I tried.
I tried it for multiple years watching everysingle event, and it just, you know, at the end
of the day, it fell short.
So I know some people like it.
It's kinda the edgy, you know, the new badgroup of guys, but at the end of the day,

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watching the PGA Tour, it's just a differentproduct.
It's a better product, and it's a better formatand setup.
And, you know, it's the best competition in theworld on the PGA Tour, so you're not gonna
change my opinion there.
But I do wanna get into the betting odds forthis week before we start talking about some
Memorial stories.
Betting odds.

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Scottie Scheffler, and this is why I kinda ledwith the entire fact of Scottie Scheffler.
Can anybody stop him?
Is this his tournament to lose?
Scottie Scheffler's plus two eighty.
He's off.
The next guy.
I mean, this is basically Scottie Schefflerversus the field.
And again, we only used to see that with TigerWoods.

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We've never really seen this otherwise.
Not
even Rory at his best.
And I just, there is something to be saidthough too that this week just feels like it's
Scottie Scheffler's tournament.
Like, I just, I don't know.
It's tough for me to go against ScottieScheffler this week at all.
We're like other weeks, it's like, oh, man.

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This player or this player.
But in second, odds are Xander Schauffele andCollin Morikawa.
Collin Morikawa actually finished second toScottie Scheffler last year by one shot.
Obviously, he hits a bullet fade, so thiscourse lines up really well for Collin.
But Xander Schauffele is up there with him atplus 1,600.

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That's why it's very surprising becausenormally, like, second and third are, like,
maybe four or five.
Plus 600, like, that range.
No.
It's plus 1,600 for second place to ScottieScheffler.
That's fucking crazy.
That's nuts.
Right?
That is.
Yeah.
I mean, that's you start talking about thisstuff, it's like, normally, like you said,

(27:55):
there's kind of a little bit of a pattern.
But for them to just basically out and outVegas for them to say, no, Scottie's winning.
It's pretty much what they're this is anotherpoint to the argument that Scottie Scheffler is
doing something that's completely different.
Yeah.
Like, even again, even Rory, even Phil, even Imean, some of these guys that were world number

(28:17):
one briefly while Tiger was hurt, you know, adecade ago, like, doesn't even come close
to what Scottie's doing.
It doesn't.
It's wild.
I mean, this is the best player we've seen inour lifetime since Tiger Woods.
Absolutely.
Agree.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts around it, in myopinion.

(28:37):
I did see something about how if you say thatScottie Scheffler is better than Phil
Mickelson, you're crazy.
Now I will say, yeah, I'm crazy because I thinkScottie Scheffler is a better golfer than Phil
Mickelson.
Granted, Phil Mickelson's got the resume.
Right?
He's got all these tournaments that he's won,all the majors and so forth.
Scottie's got some work to do.

(28:58):
But if I'm looking at Phil Mickelson in hisprime versus Scottie Scheffler right now,
Not even close.
Phil did not have what Scottie Scheffler has.
No.
Number one in almost every major category, andhe's above average in putting.
That's the literal definition of dominance.
And the only reason, by the way, and the onlyreason why he's above average in putting and

(29:19):
not, you know, top 10 is because he hits it onthe green all the time.
I'm not gonna make every putt.
Like,
Kyle over at Kart Barn Guys, under over on an80 for Nick Dunlap.
I was watching that guy swing.
He could go so far forward, and he just goesevery single time, you're just like he's got

(29:42):
the driver yips, man.
Well, I would too if I put my head 40 inchesover the ball and tried to get all the way
down.
Got Nick in the top five, I think.
Dude, I mean, what a life that guy has had.
I mean, just to come out at 20 years old and towin twice and then to just have a lull year,
screw it.
And if,
you're going through the yips, like, you hearit with short game.

(30:04):
I'm dealing with it with chipping, but you getit in putting.
You get it in chipping.
I don't really hear all that often about driveryips, but they exist.
It's rare.
Anybody wanna give me 20-to-1 odds on a 50 forDunlap in the top five?
Not a chance.
I'm not touching that one.
Not touching that one at all.
Kyle, you did get the smiles on that one.

(30:25):
Well done with adding in a little segment forNick Dunlap there.
We were not going to talk about him.
I can guarantee you that.
So well done in bringing him up.
Justin Thomas is the fourth best odds at plus1,800.
Patrick Cantlay at plus 2,200, and this is aguy that's won this twice.
God.

(30:45):
This fucking guy.
You don't like him.
Hasn't played well over the past two years.
No.
It's just the fact that he's in everyconversation all the time about top players,
and you just have to wonder why.
Like, he's yeah.
He he like you said, he's one more loyal
to this top player?
No.

(31:05):
Not good resume now.
Top player.
I mean, he's won a few times.
Absolutely.
But this is a tournament that he's won multipletimes.
That's why his name comes up in this.
And, yeah, you're right.
We bring him up normally around the majors.
That's normally when we start bringing upPatrick Cantlay.
You don't think so.
Wow.
Absolutely not.

(31:26):
I mean, there is nothing about his game in thelast two years that tells me he's anywhere near
the top 10.
Somebody pulling stats up for the last twoyears and tell me he's not a top player.
Yeah.
Trot.
How about it, man?
There's at least 30 guys that have won PGA Tourevents,
and he hasn't.
You know who I also do like this week that issitting at plus 2,500 is Ludvig Aberg.

(31:50):
Oh.
Well, we're gonna get into dark horses, Brent,because Justin Rose is actually in my dark
horses picks.
Viktor Hovland, Tommy Fleetwood at plus 2,800,Corey Conners plus 3,000, Hideki Matsuyama,
Jordan Spieth.
Jordan Spieth plus 3,500.
Daniel Berger, Shane Lowry plus 4,000.
Tony Finau, Sepp Straka, Denny McCarthy, Si WooKim plus 4,500.

(32:14):
J.J.
Spaun, Keegan Bradley, Matt Fitzpatrick, Don'tCall Him Matthew at plus 5,000.
Aaron Rai, Ben Griffin, and Russell Henley atplus 5,500.
You know what's crazy?
Russell Henley is in the top 10 in OfficialWorld Golf Rankings and in points on the FedEx
Cup right now.
Yes.
Not top player. Not a top

(32:36):
player. Not a top player.
Consistent player.
You know what, though?
That could be the same thing you could say forPatrick Cantlay.
Very consistent player.
Sort
of.
Not a top guy.
But Patrick Cantlay's won more
times in the last two years than PatrickCantlay.
Correct.
Because Patrick Cantlay has not played well thepast two years.
However, let's keep it moving, keep itgrooving.
We also have some more odds here as well withRobert MacIntyre, Maverick McNealy, Harris

(33:01):
English, Sam Burns, and Sungjae Im at plus6,000.
So let's go over our picks.
And then like I said, we'll go over some darkhorses after that, and then we'll get into some
stories from the Memorial Tournament.
Say, should we should we talk about some someof the people that
are in the event this week?
We certainly can.
Absolutely.
Was.
So
We have not.

(33:22):
So, yeah, we have
been.
People.
We we've also talked a lot about people thatare not going to be in this tournament this
week.
There's at least one person we've
talked about.
One.
But, Buttsy, why don't you start us off withyour pick since I think I know who it
is?
No.
Nick Dunlap.
Probably mean to laugh so
hard.
And foremost.

(33:44):
No.
I'm going I'm going hard with Sepp Straka.
I like Straka.
I really do.
I
think you've been high on him lately.
It's a good call.
What's that?
You've been high on him lately.
Yeah.
He's a he's a top player.
So I I see him possibly having a chance comecome Sunday.
Xander might be the rug puller, but all in all,yeah, I think Scottie Scheffler's walking away

(34:07):
with it by, like, five shots.
Brent, what do you think, buddy?
Well, I try not to to pick guys that, you know,everybody else picks, but I wanna see I wanna
see I wanna see Ludvig get after it this week.
I wanna see Åberg put put put his foot down.

(34:28):
Although, I'm also half thinking he might justwin the U.S.
Open this year as well, but we'll talk aboutthat later.
This is a great test for the U.S.
Open in terms of prep.
I think
it's a backhoe.
You're gonna deal with some long, rough youknow Jack makes it firm and fast, especially at
sun on Sunday.
There's the praying mantis, the left-handed Oh,ox.

(34:50):
Lemur.
Akshay Bhatia.
No.
Lemur.
Oh, okay.
Know?
He he plays.
You like that one?
Oh, man.
He plays really, really well on hard golfcourses, and he's a fantastic putter, so look
out for him.
Tongue player.
Tongue player.

(35:10):
He's got the problem, though, where he's alefty, and he hits a fade.
So that could be tough.
But we'll see.
I do like the Ludwig pick because he was theone that I saw on this list that I'm like, he's
the guy that I think could take on Scottie atthis golf tournament and potentially win.

(35:32):
Collin Morikawa obviously did it last year andcompeted with Scottie Scheffler.
The course fits him so well.
But as we saw with Quail Hollow, even guys thatthe course fits so great, sometimes it does not
pan out.
It's the game of golf, right?
Golf strikes you at weird times, and it owesyou nothing, and it will take everything from

(35:56):
you.
So that being said, I do think ScottieScheffler is gonna walk away with it this week,
but, obviously, I wanna give some other callswithin this.
I like Jordan Spieth this week.
He's a guy who has finished top 10 here severaltimes, and Jordan Spieth's trending in the
right direction.
I'm gonna be high on Jordan Spieth a lot thisyear because until he starts to show me

(36:20):
otherwise, he is trending in the rightdirection.
But I'm more excited not about the main guysthis week.
I'm actually more excited about the dark horsesthis week.
So dark horses, you already heard it fromBrent.
Brent ruined the surprise with Justin Rose,who's plus 11,000.
Okay?
I'm not

(36:40):
sure why.
Throw some money on Justin Rose.
So I think the oddsmakers didn't go back farenough because if you look the past, like, he
only played this tournament once in the past,like, five, six years and missed the cut
terribly.
Right?
So if you dig a little bit deeper, Justin Rosefinished second in 2015, a heartbreaker.

(37:03):
He also around that time had multiple topfives.
So ten years ago.
Yeah.
And guess what?
Is he in the type of form that he was ten yearsago?
I would say yes.
Especially
I would think from an oddsmaker's perspectivethat, like, if I was looking at, a
I don't know what was so funny about that.

(37:23):
If something got to Brent there.
Oh, shit.
It's just Buttsy's face.
That's all.
I'm thinking, like, okay.
An older guy like that, he's still really good.
But if I was an oddsmaker, I'd be like, thatguy's going to have one shot a season.
I mean, he's playing great golf.

(37:44):
Yeah.
Like, and he's shown that he can compete atthis golf course.
That's why I don't care that it was ten yearsago.
Like, he's a guy that is playing top-level golfonce again.
I like the it's a dark horse, so it's not ait's a dark horse to pick.
It's a dark horse.
I would love to, I would love to see what my myboy Brent said on the on the chat there about,

(38:05):
good old Tommy Fleetwood getting it done thisweek.
What happened to you?
Look
at that.
So Brent Hobby, over on YouTube just said thatThomas Paul Fleetwood His character looks like
a shirtless Kyle.
PGA Tour win market in the books for BrentHobby.
I don't like Tommy Fleetwood.

(38:25):
I never do when it comes to a PGA Tour event,because that's a big monkey to get off your
back, especially when you're going up againstguys who are really peaking at the right time
like a Scottie Scheffler.
So that's gonna be a tough one.
But if you do win, we're gonna give you a majorshout out next week.
Don't worry there, Brent Hobby.

(38:46):
Do want to say that the next one that I have onthe list may be a little sketchy.
Okay?
What is it?
I got Matthew Pavona plus 35,000.
I don't even know who that is.
Stop.
Okay.
Hang on a second.
So Brent, you can hate on this.
It's a dark horse, but look at him during thePGA Championship, right?

(39:10):
No.
I can't.
You're getting Brent doesn't like this one.
No.
But this
think the guy deserves to be on the PGA Tour,in my opinion.
Oh my god.
He's won on the PGA.
Don't care.
You don't like the Frenchman.
I don't like the fact that they get cards atall, but that's just me.
Oh, you don't like the I get where thebitterness is coming from.

(39:30):
So, Buttsy, the top five DP World Tour guys
get top 10.
Is it 10?
So top 10.
Top 10 DP World Tour guys get PGA Tour.
And it's not.
So that takes away from the brand.
Because the top 10 players in the DP World TourI didn't realize
PGA Tour players.
I never realized that you were bitter aboutthis rule.

(39:51):
I just don't agree with it,
because it's not the real top 10.
They
get affected by being on tour by this?
No.
But there are multiple Korn Ferry Tour guysthat don't get starts because of it.
Damn.
But I I do. Why
Why
Why aren't they playing on the DP World Tourthen?

(40:12):
Why would you wanna go play on the DP WorldTour?
It's the third
best.
According to you, it's a lot easier to get atour card.
I'd be doing that.
Well, you know,
DP could be great times.
I got a
lot of good triplets.
Do it.
A hundred percent.
I'm thinking about going to Japan Tour.
Track.
Track golfer brought up a good point here.
Pavon wins in San Diego after stepping behindhis ball in the rough on the 18th.

(40:36):
That is true.
There is footage of that, and Track golfer doesnot like cheaters.
I did see Track golfer was talking about MattiSchmid and his long putter.
anchoring.
There was some creasing going on with the poloshirt.
So, yeah, that's an interesting point there,Track golfer, but I do like Matthieu Pavon

(40:58):
because if you know about his game, this guy isan auto fade.
He fades the ball every single time.
Lance Bennett was talking to me about him towhere he's like, you get in a group of Matthieu
Pavon.
It's like automatic.
It's just this buttery little fade that he hitsout there every single time, and you know
that's gonna play well at the Memorial.

(41:18):
Brent hates it.
Absolutely hates it.
Yes.
But Buttsy loves that Brent hates it.
Collin Morikawa.
So Collin's playing this week.
Right?
Yes.
Collin Morikawa is playing, but he's up there.
He's got the, what has he got, the second-bestodds.
Exactly a dark horse.
Yeah.
I mean close to a dark horse.
He's like one of the favorites.
My third Jake Knapp isn't playing, so

(41:41):
No.
He's an alternate.
Somebody might drop out, but it's not likelythat Jake Knapp's getting in.
But my third dark horse, because I love MasonDavid Geese.
He was sending me some texts over the weekendas Bud was playing really well.
And what about Tony?

(42:01):
Bud Cauley.
Tony.
No.
Bud Cauley.
Tony's plus 4,500.
He's not really a dark horse.
Like, plus 4,500 is kinda tough as a darkhorse.
Where has that guy been?
I mean
Have you seen how he lays the putter down onthe ground?
That's why he's not in conversation.
Well, it's changed a lot over the last fewyears or so.

(42:23):
That toe, that putter, the toe is stillsticking dead up in the air.
Well
It's a lot of pull putts.
That's why.
Yeah.
He needs to do the opposite.
He needs to ulnar deviate and get away from itanyways.
I don't know why somebody at Ping hasn't satdown with him and gone, dude.
Dude, the guy I remember talking to him.
No.
They absolutely have.

(42:43):
He has a guy that I think he works with.
I don't I don't that
Is that guy an enabler?
I don't
it's possible.
It looked good, Tony.
Did everything look good?
The way the way he describes his problem isthat he gets going bad when the putter does
this on the way back, and I was like, So you'regoing to make it even It doesn't make any

(43:09):
sense.
The sweet spot couldn't be smaller.
He could putt with a fridge, and he'd stillpull it.
And you know what's funny about Tony?
He's kinda under the radar because he'sactually playing really well.
It's just yeah.
He played well at the PGA Championship.
He played well multiple times this year, buthe's finishing in the top 20.
He's not, like Not killing it, but he's killingit.
He's not competing for titles right now.

(43:32):
So that being said, we did just lose Brent, butBud Cauley is the one that I was mentioning
there at plus 11,000.
Bud's been playing fantastic golf.
He's been competing, and eventually, he's thekind of guy that has the pedigree.
Right?
He's not one of these guys that, you know, allof a sudden you get him under pressure, and

(43:53):
he's gonna choke because he's never been therebefore.
He might not be a big name that a lot of peopleknow, but if you know the Tiger Woods video
game, Bud Cauley was in that in, like, '96 orsomething.
Bud Cauley played some golf.
Bud Cauley is a hell of a damn player.
So I'm really happy for David because David'sbeen on the show multiple times.
He is somebody who took Bud's bag at thebeginning of the year, and Bud's having a hell

(44:16):
of a year.
What's Fowler at?
Fowler, good question.
Let's take a look.
I know Spieth got in because of a sponsorinvite.
I'm hoping that Fowler was actually in thefield.
You don't have Fowler breaking through beforeSpieth?
I don't.
And granted, he obviously finished—what did hefinish last week?
Third?
He's been like, there's been some moments ofbrilliance.

(44:37):
Yeah.
So he's in the field this week on a sponsor'sexemption just like Jordan Spieth.
So he with power?
Yeah.
I don't love Rickie this week because of thecourse layout.
He's wonderful.
Gonna say.
Hasn't he?
No.
Oh, no.
That was he was there when Tiger chipped andflopped it in.
Right?

(44:58):
Yep.
It was the next 02/2018 or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, the fact that him and Jordan Spieth arein the field at all is
It's actually a good question, though.
From Buttsy, who do you think is gonna winfirst?
Jordan Spieth or Rickie Fowler next?
We should, we should—well, Brent can't gamble,but Buttsy, you and I should throw some money
in Spieth.
Rickie's been way closer.

(45:18):
Like you wanna put a 20 spot on it?
Just a friendly little wager, Buttsy, me andyou.
So you got Fowler.
I got Spieth.
Yeah.
I like that.
Well, they're gonna get the same amount ofstarts.
I think this is number five for both of them.
They've gotten his sponsor's invite intoevery—I say with what's left, Jordan Spieth is
usually a big-time player in the spring, earlypart of the season.

(45:41):
Yeah.
Rickie Fowler.
K.
No problem.
Interesting to see.
We'll obviously talk
about I don't believe either one of them aregoing
to win even though I—I do.
Well, not this week.
I mean, I've got—I like Jordan Spieth this weekbecause he plays well at the Memorial.
Correct.
He does.
But I—I just I think they're still both in thatsame sort of schedule that you only get limited

(46:05):
opportunities, and you're already playingagainst the top players.
And I'm sorry.
Like, neither one of them have really shownthat they're the way they used to be.
I mean, to be fair, Rickie Fowler does not havethe same resume as Jordan Spieth.
Well and let's go with—so let's talk aboutJordan Spieth for a second because Jordan
Spieth, he had the fall off, but then he hadthe wrist injury last year.

(46:25):
Mhmm.
Still rehabbing that.
Yeah.
I mean, the way he works, I watched him a bunchin '23.
Obviously, my coach and my trainer, we talkabout what guys are doing, and like I said, my
trainer was one of the first guys to say, hey,Windham might be struggling this year, and he
was right.

(46:47):
But Jordan Spieth works with Cameron McCormick,and I think Cameron literally changes his golf
thing every week.
So I don't see a lot clicking with what he'sgot 10 tournaments left that he's gonna play.
His iron game, though, is the one that, to me,is starting to come back.

(47:07):
The driver is still suspect, but Jordan Spiethin his prime still sprayed the ball with the
driver because he was always trying to getextra distance.
Mhmm.
But his iron game was so damn good.
And that's where I think he's starting to getback to that.
And if that wrist continues to heal up, I justsee him at some point.

(47:29):
He's gonna compete.
He's gonna be right there, and hopefully
You're confident in that.
I am because I want him to get over the humpfrom Augusta National.
Yeah.
I think everybody wants to see those 10, 15, 20guys that have played really well over the last
decade or so come back and really competeagain.

(47:51):
Obviously, Justin Thomas is one of thosepeople.
Rickie Fowler won in 2023, but then reallydidn't do anything last year.
Jordan also won in 2023, and then didn't do awhole lot last year.
But it's just getting harder.
So, I mean, these guys are getting passed up byguys that are rookies.

(48:13):
So, you know, I mean
It's true.
I mean, guys are so good now coming onto thePGA Tour in their first year, second year.
It's unreal.
Let's talk about some stories from the MemorialTournament.
Now I wasn't alive, and actually none of uswere alive.
So not even me because I'm the oldest here, butButtsy wasn't either.

(48:33):
Brent certainly wasn't.
I don't know, Brent, you might not even havebeen a, well, none of us might have been a
thought.
God, I'm really stumbling here.
As far back are
we going?
Going to the
we're going to the inaugural
Oh god.
Tournament in 1976.
'70
yeah.
This is about '75.
Good old Raj.
Roger Maltbie, and he was playing back then,and he was going up against Hale Irwin.

(48:57):
They went into a playoff thanks to a fortunatebreak.
And this is what caught my eye to where I'mlike, holy cow.
Could you imagine this happening nowadays?
So Maltbie, he hit a gallery stake on theseventeenth hole, and it ricocheted onto the
green.
And that was in the third playoff hole.

(49:20):
So it allowed him to stay in the playoff, whichthen ended up going a few additional holes
later, and he ended it.
But that bounce, he beat Hale Irwin? He beatHale
Hale He beat Hale
Hale Irwin? Hale
Hale Irwin? He beat Hale Irwin in a playoff.
I think they went six playoff holes, but he wasable to stay in it because it hit that stick
and bounced back onto the green, and he wasable to make par.

(49:42):
So obviously, that's the inaugural great startto, you know, the Memorial Tournament, building
some history right off the bat.
But then in 1977, guess who came home, wins it,good old Jack Nicklaus, and he wins his own
event, and he was 37 years old back in 1977.
Then we move on.

(50:03):
So good old Nicklaus won it again in 1984.
Didn't he win the Masters in '84?
Jack and that's kind of a theme here becauseyou wanna win.
Scheffler kinda did the same thing, which yeah.
We'll see.
Let's obviously, it can't happen this year withRory McIlroy not playing in it, but we've got

(50:27):
Paul Azinger's amazing hole-out win out of thebunker.
They call it a miracle in 1993.
Good old Zinger.
Tom Lehman ended up winning in 1994, you know,and then you got the Tiger stretch.
This is probably the most impressive stretch.
I mean, Tiger dominated WGC events, but hedominated the Memorial.

(50:51):
I didn't even realize, like, going back andlooking at it, what if five times?
And this is why it's kind of interestingbecause Scottie Scheffler, if we're gonna
compare Scottie Scheffler, he needs to get someback-to-backs going.
Right?
Well, Tiger Woods has a three-peat at theMemorial.
A three-peat.
Okay, so Scottie Scheffler has a chance to goback-to-back this year in order to set it up

(51:14):
for next year.
We could be talking about Scottie Schefflerwinning a three-peat and matching that up
against Tiger Woods and so that could be prettycool from a storyline standpoint for us heading
into next year if Scottie Scheffler does winthis.
But
He gonna win it.
I think he's gonna win it.

(51:34):
I mean, anybody check the weather?
I have.
No.
Hold on.
Let me check.
Check the weather.
Tiger also had the chip-in at 16 for a 73rdwin, which tied Nicklaus.
Doesn't look great.
Uh-oh.
Some thunderstorms, some rain, some cooltemperatures.

(51:57):
Oh.
What?
I mean, it's not gonna be very warm.
It's gonna be wet.
Course is gonna be playing long.
This might yield for somebody that's just anabsolute dagger with those mid to long irons,
which I think Scottie is.
So yeah.
Yeah.
It's Scottie Scheffler's week.

(52:19):
Yep.
Is what we're hearing.
Hideki Matsuyama in 2014, 22 years old, brokethrough for the first time, beat Kevin Na.
I believe that's when Kevin Na was dealing withthe waggle issue.
Oh.
Not being able to pull the trigger.
There was some stuff going on with that.
That was when the first murmurs about him goingto LIV came up.

(52:39):
2014?
That was 2014.
I can't deal with this.
I have to only play three rounds.
LIV wasn't even a thought at that time.
It wasn't.
Five years ago.
2016.
Guys, 2016, Dirt McGirt.
Do you guys remember this?
Dirt McGirt wins.
I know, I know Dirt very well.
So he was being groomed to fame.

(53:00):
Yep.
By Greg in 2014 about a future plan that wouldlater fall into place.
You know?
And one of our favorite players back in 2019,Matt Kuchar, okay, did not win.
Okay?
Nope.
But there was a rules issue that good oldRickie Fowler and the rules official went

(53:27):
against Matt Kuchar.
Matt Kuchar went off because his ball ended upgoing into an embedded ball mark of somebody
else's.
Correct.
So he thought that it obviously flew in, arguedit to death.
They ended up having to go to the broadcast toreplay it and see it bounce and go into it

(53:48):
before they finally moved on.
So Matt Kuchar threw an entire stink, which heis a sponsor exemption this week into this
tournament.
He's a Workday. He's a Workday
He's a Workday sponsor.
Is.
He's a Workday athlete.
So I believe Jordan Spieth is too, if I'm notmistaken.
I don't know, but Brent Snedeker is.

(54:11):
It's nice, Ned.
There you go.
I mean, that whole thing.
I mean, they've they've they've been going onabout it for a couple of days now, the all the
podcasts around the Golf Channel and stuff likethat.
Austin Whittington is on his game tonightbecause the very next one that we're gonna talk
about is Jon Rahm in 2020 and the penalty thathe had on an amazing golf shot.

(54:35):
So let's see if
I can I don't remember that?
Yeah.
The golf ball moved ever so slightly, and youcould only see it on
Yep.
And so he chipped in from the deep rough, andit was basically sealing the win.
But slow-motion replay revealed his ball hadslightly moved as he addressed it.

(54:57):
After the round, Rahm was assessed a two-strokepenalty for the inadvertent rules breach.
What stands out even with the penalty Rahm.
Reduces his margin of victory.
Rahm's performance was dominant enough toclinch the title and make him world number one
for the first time in his career.
And after that, they changed the rule that ifyou can't see it with the naked eye, it didn't

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happen.
That's right.
In 2020 Rahm?
Yeah.
So you can't you can no longer go to call-inseither after that, I believe.
Nope.
The whole thing was some random guy said, oh, Ithink I saw this.
Yep.
And then they had to go back, and they slowedit all down and everything.
Ridiculous.
But 2021, Jon Rahm's shocking six-shot leadwithdrawal, and that's where Patrick Cantlay,

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the player that Brent Grant says is not a top
top player.
Got his first victory there.
And, yeah, he came all the way back
to doesn't count.
So
Oh, he didn't.
What's funny is, you know, as the PGAChampionship, we saw Rahm collapse as soon as
he got to that into well, he tied for the leadand then collapsed.

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Uh-huh.
Seeing this again within 2021, is this justsomething well, okay.
So he did get oh, that's right.
It was a withdrawal.
That's right.
So it was the COVID-19 test that came back.
Sorry.
I read that wrong thinking that it was asix-shot lead, not
thinking about what him at Players, I think, in'22 or '23, think.

(56:35):
No.
'22, where he blew a lead there too.
I mean, it's kind of normal
for him.
In '21, it was actually So the crazy part aboutthat was, and this goes back to the controversy
around the COVID test in general, but theyliterally had no symptoms whatsoever.
Somebody that he knew tested positive.
Yeah, and then he got a test, and thenliterally hours.

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Literally the night he gets tested in the daybefore.
Fast forward to the next morning, and he getsphone calls.
I remember that now.
When I saw the headline as I was doing theresearch, I just was like, oh, he blew a
six-shot lead, but no, it was the COVID test.
That's right.
That ended up he couldn't play the final.

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He had some COVID in his nose, not in his body.
There you
go.
For like an hour.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
We could talk about the PCR test.
But then in 2022, Billy Horschel makes an eagleto seal a dominant win over Aaron Wise.
I don't know why I said rise, but that is a fanfavorite for a tour golfer.

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And I believe, Brent, you're a fan of BillyHorschel as well.
Yeah.
He likes that work.
And then let's get into 2023.
That's where Viktor Hovland ended up startinghis big run that year and ends up winning the
FedEx Cup in 2023.
And that was all started by that playoffthriller over Denny McCarthy.
What's Hovland at this week?

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He's up there.
So he is, let's see.
Where was Viktor?
Viktor was plus 2,800.
So he's kinda middle, like, towards the top top10.
What about Max
So he's deep, deep on there, and he has playedMemorial well.
Yep.
But I still once again, I mean, we saw it atthe PGA Championship.

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His there was some rust still on that golf gameover four days, so he still needs to work off
that rust.
I don't think he's ready to hop back into thewinner's circle by any means, but let's get to
2024, Scottie Scheffler.
Scottie Scheffler edged out Collin Morikawa,shoots eight under, Collin Morikawa shoots

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seven.
So once again, it's gonna be tough to seesomebody else win this year, and that was
Scottie Scheffler on a run.
Remember?
I mean, gosh, he had won the Players.
He had won the Masters.
He had won, what was it?
Oh, he won the Phoenix Open, which was asignature series event.

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No.
That was the year.
Or no.
That was a year before in 2023.
That's right.
No.
He won Arnold Palmer by four or five.
That's right.
Bay Hill, Players, the Masters.
He won, no, eight times last year.
And he won, like, what, six signature seriesevents?
Like, basically, it was like all the signatureseries events were set up for him.

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It was crazy.
The question I have is, was this going on when,so the level of competition is always a
conversation.
The level of competition when Jack and Arnie orwhen Ben Hogan, right?
That's kind of the conversation.
When Tiger was his dominant self for all ofthat time, was the level of competition as

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stiff as it is now?
I would say yes, 100%, because
For sure.
You had Phil Mickelson, who probably would havehad an even more storied career if Tiger wasn't
there.
You had Vijay Singh playing his absolute bestduring that time.
Ernie Els.
Sergio.
Sergio.
You had, I mean, and what's crazy is the bignames.

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Those guys didn't fall off.
No.
Like, you didn't see guys go through these bigtumbles like you have with Jordan Spieth,
Justin Thomas, Rickie Fowler.
Like, they built their names early on, and thenthey went into some struggles.
Right?
That didn't happen with these guys that Tigerwas going up against.
And by the way, early in his career too, he'sgoing up against legends in a lot of those

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where they're still playing at the top level.
And then as those guys started kinda fallingoff and going to the Champions Tour, I just I
think it was stacked back in Tiger's day.
So then the fact that so many of these topplayers are, you know, like you've got, let's
see, Xander, Collin, Wyndham, Homa, Rickie,Justin, Jordan.

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You know, there's several more that I can namethat have kind of been doing this, and are on
kind of a low last couple of year and a half orso.
Not top players.
make a difference to how we view ScottieScheffler's dominance?
No.
Not not to me.
I mean, Scottie because of the numbers.

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But it's just—well, when you look at thenumbers, right, and you see how much he's
dominating, like, when it comes to strokesgained approach, driving accuracy.
I mean, there's all these stats that you can goand look at, and you could put them in any era.
And Scottie Scheffler is going to be one of thegreats.

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To Trott's point here, he thinks that Tiger hadit harder, and I would agree with that.
I think Tiger had more competition around himat that time, but man, guys have gotten so good
that they may not carry the name.
Right?
That branding behind them that so many of theguys around Tiger back in the day, and that

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does have a like, when you think of the mentalside, if you all of a sudden had Tiger Woods
chasing you down, they were gonna stumble.
That doesn't happen anymore with guys on tour.
Like, some of these kids that are out there noware fearless.
They just don't have the names yet.
Yeah.
I think the way we view that time ismanufactured a little bit by how the tour was

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marketed.
I think, obviously, there are a few names thatwe mentioned, you know, Phil, Jim, Vijay, Ernie
Els, Retief.
What about Freddie Couples?
Freddie Couples?
Couples?
Into the team.
Mark O'Meara?
Patrick Harrington, Graeme McDowell.

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I mean, there's like a whole shitload of guysthere.
Dustin Johnson, Jason Day, right?
That's the later half of
the week.
So are we saying the whole, right?
It's funny.
Are we saying that the PGA Tour did a betterjob of marketing those players back in the
day than they are? We know they
than they are? We know they did.
I mean, look at how much money they made versusnow.
I mean, the top 15 players are really the onlyguys that are making the kind of money that is

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securing your family kind of money.
Part of
that is that the game and players have gottenbetter.
You can make the argument players have gottenso much better.
There's so much technology now.
We know what great golf swings look like.
We've got data behind it.
There's so much more that these kids coming outof college are so much better.

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Right?
So looking at that, they don't have the namesbecause there's kind of this turnover, so to
speak, with players.
Yeah.
Whereas, like, back in the day, you didn't havethat.
You had levels to this game, and there's stilllevels, but it's just not as big.
Like, the disparity between players that arereally, really, really good and could win on a

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weekly basis to the guys that are just at thetop of the game.
No.
I absolutely agree.
I mean, the other part of this too is and youguys both know this because you've been, you
know, you literally have been a part of thesebusiness deals.
I mean, when somebody asks the question, whatare you gonna get back for your investment?
There's not really a PGA Tour rookie that cansay, Oh yeah, I'm going to get this much TV

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time, and the PGA Tour is going to market methis way, so on and so forth.
They didn't have
that then.
Well, no, but they were in multiplecommercials.
They cared about having a PGA Tour playerrepping their brand.
I mean, there were winners.
No.
I mean, even guys that weren't.
I mean, you look at Charlie's Three Sticks.

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I mean, look at his sponsors over the years.
Callaway was a big one of his.
Huge sponsor, right?
The other thing is- It's
good point.
Well, let me stop you for a sec because youmake a really good point around this, and I'll
go back to the word disparity.
Because back in the day, there weren't hundredsof players.

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I mean, you could say hundreds, but let's saythat right now hundred.
There's, like, 250 players that could win on aweekly basis.
Back then, there were like 50 guys.
Right?
Brent's to Brent's point, we were like, we weretalking with Hogue on the way up there.
Remember?
And mhmm.
You know, he talks about it like there was anactual period there, especially for sponsorship

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from manufacturers that just doesn't existanymore.
You know, if you got to the tour, you got acontract basically.
Was pretty if you're at the top 50, evenbetter.
And they don't—they just don't pay like thatanymore.
Not even the tour promoting them per se, but,like, there's just no money in clothing and up
and in clubs anymore.
And you say Hogue.

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That's Martin Laird's caddie.
Correct?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We had a yeah.
It's like, yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
He was open about talking about a bunch of guysthat got a shitload of money that weren't
necessarily top guys because that's just how itwas for everybody then.
Look at Tim Clark.
I mean, there were stories where we'd be up athis place up in North Scottsdale, and one of
his South Africans who played on the GCU golfteam with me, they found checks in his couch

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from Adidas and TaylorMade that were, like, for$50.
And they're like, dude, this check's for$50,000 from a manufacturer.
And he's like, oh, yeah.
Just throw it back in the couch for a rainyday.
And it's just like, what?
But they were getting tossed all this moneyfrom manufacturers.
And like you said, it's just not that wayanymore.
And I think part of it has to do with the factthat there is so much disparity.

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Guys, there's this revolving door of playersnow that come into the PGA Tour, and I think
that's why partially we've hated on thesignature series shrinking the game, so to
speak, with only 100 players and everything.
But I think the top guys, what they reallykinda were thinking is, man, if I have a bad
year, I'm not gonna get booted off of the tour,and I'm gonna be able to keep my name

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recognition and build brand equity by stillbeing on the PGA Tour year in and year out.
And I'm gonna have plenty of money to continueto chase it if I do get booted.
Yeah.
You get social media and all this shit now.
There's too many other avenues to consume golfin and too many people that will work for a lot
less that will bring you more revenue than atour player will wearing his shit.

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And it's like correct.
That's that's why.
And Do
Do you think based
off of that, do you think Callaway pays GoodGood more than any tour players?
Yeah.
Possibly.
So the big difference is, if you're talkingabout a guy like, so for me, I'm a Srixon
staffer, right, which means I have the bag, Ihave the head covers, I have the hat, the

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glove, all of the clubs, yada yada yada.
My deal is in the low to mid six figures if Iget on the PGA Tour, just the first year.
So moving forward or getting paid more, youhave to stay on the tour for longer.
There's incentives, and so on and so forth.
But the moment that you kind of drop back anddon't have as much equipment, or maybe you

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don't have a staff deal.
Well, I wanna pause, because TryGolf, that's areally big point.
There's really nobody that sells clubs anymore.
There's a group of TaylorMade guys that theyget to market because Tiger paid all of them
through, you know, his investment firm thatowns TaylorMade.

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But other than that, there's no big name that'sout there moving as many clubs as Tiger did.
No.
So there's no the the the real money that theseguy that these club manufacturers make is is in
what they're doing with the drivers and all andall that other stuff, not to mention cutting
costs.
But as far as contracts are concerned, the onlypeople that are making, again, low to mid six
figures or higher are guys that are on staff orare a top 50 player.

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If you're not, you're barely scraping by.
And mind you, it costs 2 a hundred and 50 to$250,000 to play on the PGA Tour.
Yeah.
People don't realize it.
And Hideki Matsuyama makes more money thananybody on the PGA Tour, by the way.
Shirt's on.
Oh, they probably pay the god damn.
Because
literally pays him stupid money.

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Then you can't blame him for taking away thatfinancial piece either, though, because like I
said, it's just a bad business decision.
You're not gonna see Tommy Fleetwood.
I mean, you're gonna see him on TaylorMadecommercials with Tiger every now and then, but
he's not gonna have millions of views onYouTube and across Instagram and Twitter and
all this other stuff that's potentially gonnahave eyes on product.
There's a better option for a lot cheaper.

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You know?
Or even the same money.
Like, even if it's paying what they would'vepaid guys then, but it's all about eyes.
Well, you can
you can go get a guy like Reggie Bush likeSrixon has.
Right?
And you can pay him some cash.
And it's not like they're paying him a milliondollars a year.
And he can easily move product.

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He reaches a certain demographic.
He reaches a certain audience.
It's not a difficult equation to sit there andbe like, Oh, so we don't have to pay five guys?
Okay, fine.
It's not a hard conversation to be had,especially if you're talking about more money
for those that run the business in the firstplace.
Yeah, but there should be a better opportunityif you go through the trenches and get to the

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tour that you should at least have a coupleyears where, you know, it's affordable.
That's all.
And
so this is the point, right, is that the kindof money that the executives at the PGA Tour
are making, I mean, they literally have anentire team of people that are all about
getting sponsorships for players, and theydon't do anything.

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Needs a huge change?
Sort of change would they make?
Let me read this one out.
So Tour golfer mentions the industry of golfequipment needs a huge change very soon, and I
think, well, we'll wait to hear what he has tosay around that.
But I have to agree.
I think, you know, there's so many avenuesmarketing-wise that club manufacturers can now

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go down, and the repetitiveness of theirmarketing over and over and over again, I think
has become a little mundane.
I think Callaway certainly has put a ton ofmoney into GoodGood, and some of the others,
TaylorMade's kinda gone after Grant Horvat and,gosh, whatever happened to the other kid,

(01:11:40):
Micah.
What's his last name?
I don't even
I don't know.
I don't even talk about it.
I don't
know what happened to him.
Parsons?
Pearsons?
Parsons?
I almost said Parsons
too, but it's not.
The change that's gonna occur is that they'regonna have to spend more money to innovate so
that more people have access to tour-styleequipment, like bounces and head shapes and

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like that because they blew their wad four orfive years ago in terms of driver technology
and shit like that.
I mean, the proof's in the pudding.
Look on the PGA Tour.
You got stuff that's dressed up as new stuff,that's old stuff, and old stuff that's still in
the bag because it was better, and nothing newhas come out that's better.
And it's like yeah.
They're gonna have to dig in and make it a lotmore, like, unique to the individual, not just

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fitting for, like, shaft and spin rate.
They're gonna have to be able to pick differenthead shapes and
Yeah.
There's a couple of there's a couple ofmanufacturers that are attempting to do this.
The big problem is, Austin says, do playerscontrol their expenses to a certain extent,
probably diminishing returns versus comfort?
The easy equation there is there's not a singletour player on planet Earth that would ever sit

(01:12:53):
there and say, I'm going to stay at a Motel 6instead of a comfortable hotel to make sure I
get a good night's rest.
There's not a single person that says, I'mgoing to eat at In-N-Out instead of going and
getting a nice steak because I want to feel asgood as I can tomorrow.
There's also not-
What about the Golden Corral?
I used to do that in college.
It's pretty damn
good steak.

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Can so Trot and Brent have a good back-to
back shirt.
Don't shit on Golden Corral.
Well, you know.
So here's Trot golfer with, to start with howmuch the consumer supports the free rod for
influencers, the consumer is sick of supportingthese guys.
Also, the entire loft debate.
Mhmm.
Okay?
And then we've got Brent Hobby saying thenormalization of $600 plus drivers is out of

(01:13:39):
control too.
LST with a Velocore shaft, thanks, BG, was$750.
It's amazing, but holy f.
And I do think that drivers especially, theshafts, why, like, bullshit.
They put in a shaft.
A full shaft.

(01:14:01):
You go to well, you if you were to buy a driveroff the rack at Dick's Sporting Goods, for
instance, it may have the name of the shaftthat's on there, but that is not the same shaft
as you would buy aftermarket in order to have.
So that part to me has to stop.
I think that actually is a big part of thisindustry to where they're limiting so many

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people and they're not getting so what ended uphappening is the manufacturers were just
marketing the same drivers over and over again.
People were paying those for the longest time,but then got smart.
They're like, okay.
This driver isn't that much better than lastyear's because people were putting them in
their bags.
I remember.

(01:14:45):
I mean, shoot.
This was back in the 2010 to 2020 range.
Every single year, you were putting a brand newdriver in your bag because you thought it was
the next greatest thing.
I think launch monitors and things like thatkind of hurt the industry a little bit because
they started proving that the numbers were notchanging that much.

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To that degree, all of a sudden, the sales weregoing down.
So every manufacturer started increasing pricesbecause the volume was down.
Mm-hmm.
I think they instead of fixing the problem,which they didn't do, and all of a sudden now
you have it to where they have to charge somuch money in order to be profitable, and the

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whole industry is kinda going into a little bitof a collapse because there isn't this crazy
R&D that's going into it.
There's not these massive changes that arehappening in terms of performance.
It's just not
I'm gonna disagree with you on the driver cost,though.
Driver costs for a, like, a brand new Ping,like he said, $750.

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With a Tour Velocore, that's what you're paying$750 for.
You're getting that on the cheap from themanufacturer because they are buying that Tour.
Now they have a retail version with the Pingshaft in it that's $500 or $600 or whatever it
is.
You can upgrade.
You can upcharge to a Tour Velocore for $750.
If you did that in 2002 or 2010, guys were veryeasily spending a thousand dollars on a driver

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because they didn't have upcharges then.
The only place that you could put somethingtogether that was like as available on the PGA
Tour was to do it yourself or to go to, like, aHot Stix Golf or some other place that's gonna
then charge you to fit you and build it for youanother $200.
It was like $1,200 or $1,300 for a tour-styledriver back in the day.

(01:16:32):
At least now, through TaylorMade's website andstuff like that, you can get a $400 shaft at a
$200 upcharge.
And I know I'm talking way too many numbershere, but it's not as bad as it could be as,
like, back in the day when you had to go putthose two things together.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think part of the issue here is that themajor manufacturers that kind of quote-unquote

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own the driver market, at least if we're goingto talk about drivers, because obviously, irons
and all that other stuff is sort of pointless.
But they come out with a driver every singleyear.
And I've talked to every tour rep about this,and the idea is that they still believe that
this is what's going to keep the numberspumping in.

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Srixon comes out with every two years.
I think Ping comes out with every two years.
Ping, absolutely, as Brent said, has come outwith a driver that is straighter by far than
any other driver on the market, and I, 10 outof 10, recommend it for somebody that really
struggles off the tee.
But the big issue here is not that there'sthese random upcharges for Tour shafts.

(01:17:45):
If it's gonna be a Tour shaft, and if it saysTX or TS on it or whatever, it is different
than your standard manufacturer shaft.
The crazy part about this is, and I'll go backto what you said, Matt, a little earlier about
what shaft manufacturers are giving these OEMs,it's basically like they're handing them, okay,

(01:18:10):
here.
Here's two or three shaft options that we thinkwould fit well with your driver, and we hope
and pray that it works for most people.
The issue is that all it does is open up themarket for these shaft manufacturers to jump in
and be like, you know, like, for example, TPT,where they charge a thousand dollars per shaft,
and they're some of the worst shafts on themarket.

(01:18:32):
So if club manufacturers were to actuallyinvest just a wee bit into putting good shafts
in their clubs, or at least more shaftsstandard, I think you would see a lot more
people play them.
But until they do that, I don't see thathappening.
They need to do it like the car market, like,where exactly.

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A new body style doesn't come out more thanonce every few years.
Now that doesn't mean that small improvementscan't be ordered and upgraded.
Like and I mean and hear me out on this.
Beyond the shaft, like, let's say theTaylorMade came out and they did the carbon
face.
Well, guess what?
You have a 2019 carbon face on yours.
We're gonna now engineer the golf club wherethe new 2020 face came out, and you can order

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the face for your driver.
Or you can order a new crown for your driver,or whatever, the bottom plate.
However you wanna market that.
And I just think you need to expand theupgradable component feature to fit exactly
what you want.
And you could charge plenty of money for that
without
having to Or
just do it every two years.
I mean, the gap between actual regular peoplethat play, your weekend warriors or even your

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guys that play two or three times a year, theydon't need a new driver every year.
They come out with a really good driver everytwo years, you would see I mean, first of all,
they'd be spending less money on pumping out anew driver every year, the last time I checked
is kind of the whole point.

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And then, to Buttsy's point, if you want tomake it a little bit more customizable, then
you simply explain to people exactly why thisdriver is actually going to be different,
rather than some bullshit marketing, becauseit's a stagnant market.
First of all, golf in itself is stagnant rightnow.

(01:20:29):
Well, they killed themselves.
And the one thing that I misspoke on is Ididn't realize that and Buttsy and you both
know more in regards to especially Buttsy.
You know a lot about equipment when it comes tothe upgrades and so forth.
I didn't even realize I haven't bought a driverin so long.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
The upgraded shafts are now not that expensive,but the manufacturers had a lot to do with

(01:20:54):
that.
Right?
Because once again, I just feel like they gotinto the cell phone cycle to where every year
we gotta launch something new.
PGA show, we gotta have something new.
And they got into this terrible trend that it'slike we've gotta keep doing it.
I love what you said, Buttsy, where you'relike, if they just came out with simple

(01:21:15):
upgrades that you can attach to your driver oryou can replace parts to your driver.
So let's say that, you know, the crown of ithas been scuffed up because you hit a few sky
marks on there.
You can replace that.
Or we could get or we we could get you aCadillac version, though.
You know what I mean?
Like Yeah.
They should come out as a base model.

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And that way, if a guy can only just like aChevy truck or whatever, you can buy a base
model for $25,000 less than the fully loadedone.
The fully loaded one shouldn't just be a $400upgraded shaft, and it's either $500 for the
base, or you upgrade the shaft and we chargeyou for the fitting, and it's a thousand.
Like, there should be other things along theway that take it from base to premium, and

(01:21:56):
they're missing the boat on being able tomarket all those little pieces to get you into
you know?
And you could go middle of the road.
Right?
Like, I don't know.
I just there's that Absolutely.
That needs a change.
And, like, I could I could maybe look forwardin seeing, like, that being maybe something
that they start to look into outside of findingthe next 10 yards next year because it just

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doesn't exist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely correct.
I mean, and this goes into, you know, even ifyou start talking about golf balls and stuff
like that, every year cycle for a Titleistball, or a Callaway ball, or a TaylorMade ball,
it just doesn't work.

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You can tell that they're pretty much the samestuff because you have tour players that are
playing, in most cases, the year prior, or evenin two to three years prior.
So, I mean, you talk to any TaylorMade guy, andyou just sort of look at him, and you're like,
how's the new driver?
Oh, I don't know.

(01:22:58):
I haven't hit it.
We're six months into the season.
Yeah, this one works.
Yeah.
Because they know how the game works.
So the real tough part about this is for peoplelike Buttsy and myself, Matt, obviously, if you
wanted to, you could certainly get whateverclub you wanted, but clearly you don't need to.

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But for guys like Buttsy and myself that dohave access, it's hard to relate because we can
sort of just ask and receive.
If you go into a PGA Tour Superstore, you'vegot to spend two and a half hours in there
talking to somebody that's just trying toupcharge you.
You can't trust that they're going to give yousomething that they actually believe is going

(01:23:40):
to make you better.
Then you got to buy it, and then
Well, that's the point.
And then you're talking about $1,500.
And there's a small golf market out there whereguys will go and spend another $2,000, $1,000
the next week.
Now they got five different drivers they'retrying to rotate, find the best one for the
summer.
And it's like, nobody's got that kind offucking money.
Like I said, make it a base model.

(01:24:02):
And like, if you can afford the base, you stillhave a really fucking great golf club that's
probably good for everybody.
But it's terrible to keep ripping these peopleoff year after year, convincing them that
another $600 is gonna make a difference.
They're really buying it to put wheels on theirgolf game.
Like, it's like they wanna show their buddiesthat they bought the new driver.
Well, drivers are double the amount that theywere.

(01:24:24):
You just want the new shit in your bag.
Don't want to look like
Which is totally fine, right?
But think about how many times you've seen theguy that's playing the, you know, like if they
were ever to find them, the SLDR driver, right?
I still look back on that right now.
Actually.
Dude, I would back on that driver.
That 430 driver, I would play that right now.

(01:24:46):
100 golf club ever made, but don't care.
I know that you chat on the Tour AD shafts, butI have a Tour MDX in there that's yellow and
green, and it's a white-headed SLDR.
That is my master plan.
Sick looking.
It is sick.
Why don't you go grab that?
You should grab her real fast.
He doesn't wanna get up.

(01:25:08):
But, yeah, I but, yeah, the whole equipmentthing, I don't think we're ever gonna get to a
place where it's like, hey.
Yeah.
This is the tour head because they don't theythey can't do that.
They they don't even get manufactured in thesame place.
So, you know, this idea that, while I'm playingthe same thing is and no.
We we've we've gone after golf equipment thepast two episodes.

(01:25:31):
Like, we got into it a little bit last week.
It's a hot topic.
Carried over.
I think we should do an episode just onequipment.
And actually, maybe we can get on somebody fromone of the manufacturers.
I can.
And that would be an interesting conversationto have.
I bet we can get Brad on here.
That'd be fun.
Mean from PXG, somebody from Srixon.
It would be
cool to have those conversations, right?

(01:25:53):
I mean, I think and understand.
Yeah, exactly.
Somebody that actually understands.
I mean, tough part is you talk to a salespersonor somebody that deals.
So for example, one of my good friends is highup at Srixon.
He deals with all the big box businesses inmost of the South and Southwest.
And he tells me all the time, he's like,Listen, man.

(01:26:14):
The fact that we do things every two yearsmakes it so it's refreshing.
When he sits across from these people that areTaylorMade, you know, Callaway, Cobra, right,
he's just like, what are you guys doing?
Like, your margins gotta suck because there'sno there is no end to this, you know, new

(01:26:37):
driver, new wood, new iron that looks somehowexactly the same as the old one.
Quick shout out to Cleveland Srixon.
Roger Cleveland's back.
Yes.
He is.
He's back at Cleveland, making wedges just likeand I saw the promo for it.
Oh, yeah.
And those wedges are back to being what Iplayed in high school.

(01:26:59):
Man.
And I'm
like, holy shit.
This is gonna be sick.
Tour Reg 588, my first set of wedges.
He is so, so, obviously, everybody's abuzzabout it.
The entire company is so glad that he's back.
Obviously, it's his company.
But he's one of those guys that does not careabout other people's opinions, and he's going

(01:27:22):
to build whatever he wants, however he wants tobuild it.
Brent, can you give me a couple of those?
I might
be able to.
Honestly, the crazy part about it is thatbecause I'm so close with a couple of the guys,
the R&D people, they're constantly working onthis stuff.

(01:27:44):
The fact that Mr.
Cleveland's back is huge, and I'm so thankfulfor it, and I know everybody else is.
He's got some broad shoulders and a big back.
Alright, everybody.
That's gonna wrap it up for tonight fortonight's episode.
We—I—I would actually say that this went frombeing the 2025 Memorial preview into a debate
on club manufacturing.

(01:28:05):
Cut it in
half.
We—I—I think so.
I think that's exactly what I'm gonna thinkabout.
I—I think we're going to release potentiallytwo out of this.
But, yeah, that was a fun debate, but I thinkit leads to more.
Right?
I think it's something that we could leave inthis episode, but I think it's something that I
wanna have a longer conversation on.
Mhmm.
And really spend an entire episode on just clubmanufacturing, that industry, potentially bring

(01:28:33):
on some experts from within some of thecompanies.
Like you said, potentially an engineer,potentially, like, even a salesperson would be
interesting to talk to just because they knowthe BS that they sell.
But, again, very excited for the CBS broadcastthis weekend for the Memorial Tournament.
It is gonna be a great, great tournament whereScottie Scheffler is going to potentially win,

(01:28:57):
and it's gonna be a lead-in to the U.S.
Open at Oakmont, which is there a better U.S.
Open venue than Oakmont?
We're gonna be talking about it.
We can't answer that right now.
We will get into all of that in the weeks tocome.
Probably next week, actually, we will get intothat.
But, yeah, we do wanna thank our sponsors,DevRoe golf.

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as well.
But without further ado, peace out, everybody.
A-Town down.

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