October 9, 2025 • 21 mins
Matt Cook delves into the significance of showing emotion in golf, particularly in the context of the Ryder Cup, as he introduces the final episode of 2025. The episode features insights from Dr. Lee Piccarello on the golfer's mindset, alongside discussions on Tiger Woods' profound impact and how the Ryder Cup contrasts with regular tournaments. The personalities and characters of LIV Golf players are explored, emphasizing how emotion fosters audience connection. Personal anecdotes highlight the future of emotional engagement in golf, culminating in a conclusion that ties together these themes, with sponsor mentions for Devereux Golf and Rokform interspersed.
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One of the great things about him and why hewas such a fan favorite is because a lot of
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people would say he transcended sports in a lotof ways with the emotion that he poured into
the game.
And we don't see that nowadays.
I can think of just barely a handful of playersthat really show emotion.
Like Ludvig Åberg, for instance, is another onethat they have glorified as just being super
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even-keeled all the time.
The perfect demeanor.
And what's interesting is that Dr.
Lee believes that that's the exact opposite,that that is not the way that you would want to
be on the golf course.
That is not the mindset that you want to have.
You should allow yourself to show emotion.
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You should because that is natural as a humanbeing.
That's what connects us.
And that's what connects audiences.
Now, this might not resonate with some peopleright after the Ryder Cup because you're going,
hey, the last tournament that I saw was theRyder Cup, and that was phenomenal.
And they were going nuts.
They were yelling "F you" to the crowd.
It was incredible.
(01:07):
Yes.
The Ryder Cup brings that out, but thatexploits exactly what I'm talking about.
Or why isn't every golf tournament like that?
Why isn't every golf tournament playerabsolutely pumped up to be out there playing
and to show emotion throughout the round?
Good shots, bad shots.
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Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
And on today's episode, this is a special onebecause this is the last one of 2025.
Gonna be taking a couple months off and comingback in January 2026.
So that being said, this episode being the lastof this year, I wanted to talk about something
(01:51):
that I had a long conversation with Dr.
Lee Piccarello this week in regards to thegolfers' mindset.
And just wanna talk to you guys in regards to,you know, the difference between what we see
now, what gets glorified now versus what we'vehad in the past, and where there might be a
disconnect between the audience or fan base tothe actual golfers themselves.
(02:16):
You might disagree.
So stay tuned and definitely enjoy thisepisode.
And before we do dive into the episode, I dowanna give a shoutout to our sponsors.
So first off, Devereux Golf, folks.
You can go to devereuxgolf.com.
Utilize the promo code PULLHOOKGOLF20 atcheckout for 20% off your entire order at
(02:36):
devereuxgolf.com.
And then Rokform, you can go over torokform.com.
That's rokform.com.
Utilize the promo code PULLHOOK2025 at checkoutfor 20% off your entire order over at
rokform.com.
Now let's get into the episode.
(02:57):
This episode is all about the golfer's mindset.
And as I got into this conversation, this wasactually the topic of the conversation I had
with Dr.
Lee Piccarello this week during our coachingsession where he coaches me on mental mindset,
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you know, performance-wise and just reallyunderstanding how to perform under levels of
pressure, how to callous the mind, so to speak.
But in particular, this week was a lot about,you know, how hard you work to tone down your
emotions on the golf course.
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And he believes very much so in there's apyramid to his teachings.
And next year, he's probably gonna be one ofthe first guests that I have on the show in
2024 because I want him to talk about some ofthese things.
But when you're in the right mental performancestate, you want to understand your audience.
(04:06):
You want to understand your environment whileyou're out there in addition to, obviously, the
story that you're telling yourself.
And one of the things that came up is just howdifferent it is right now and how the kind of
no emotion is the standard within the golfworld.
(04:27):
So there were many times this year, in fact,that I heard broadcasters talk about Scottie
Scheffler, that because he's so even-keeled,you never see emotion, that that is how you're
supposed to be on the golf course, that he isthe epitome when it comes to what you look for
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in a top-level mental mindset for a moderngolfer.
And we kind of see it across the board now.
so many guys that lack personality.
I mean, LIV Golf took a lot of the guys thathad big personalities.
Right?
Like a Bryson DeChambeau, for instance, whointeracts with his audience and is more of an
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exhibitionist, so to speak, when it comes tointeracting with the crowd, showing them his
game, and really feeding off of the crowd aswell.
Back in Tiger's era, I recall even hearing backthen around people putting him down for showing
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too much emotion on the golf course.
Too many fist pumps.
Too much aggression out there in terms of and,you know, I say aggression, but really, I mean,
one of the things that Dr.
Lee brought up, he's like, and, Matt, he wasalmost doing it to the crowd when all of a
sudden, he was so in tune.
If he heard a click from a camera, he'd stophis downswing.
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And everybody would go wild, and it would showup on ESPN later that day.
Look what Tiger Woods did.
Again, he was able to stop his golf swing inthe middle.
But as he's talking about it, I started torealize that he was spot on with something in
particular to where, you know, golf beforeTiger Woods was always pretty boring.
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If Tiger wasn't in the final group on Sunday ormaking a charge or even playing in an event, it
was like, I used to joke around all the timethat watching golf was like it was very easy to
take a nap.
It's the best sport in the world to take a napand wake up, and they're on the 18th hole in
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the final round and, you know, they'refinishing out the golf tournament.
So what does that mean?
Why is that?
Because why was it when Tiger was incontention, nobody was falling asleep?
Everybody was locked in.
Everybody was engaged.
And the more we talked about it, the more it'sbecome this, hey, you need to be one specific
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way, and that doesn't work for everybody.
And I feel like as we've glorified the peoplethat are just even-keeled all the time, that
don't really show emotion and part of thisconversation was stemmed from the Ryder Cup.
He's like, Matt, why is it acceptable duringthe Ryder Cup that all these guys show all this
emotion, but in a normal tournament, we don'tsee that?
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We don't see that kind of emotion.
And everybody talks about it, even him notbeing a big golf guy, but being a big
sportsperson and understanding what therhetoric is from broadcasters and so forth when
he does turn on in a PGA Tour event,
for instance.
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And even on LIV, like, the emotion, there's alittle bit more character.
There's a little
bit more exhibitionist in LIV, I feel like, forthe players because they're looser.
They aren't as tight.
They aren't as serious, so to speak, as a lotof people like to say.
Now, you could think entirely differently.
No.
There's so much money on the line that they'reso serious about it.
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I mean, there's differing opinions from bothsides when it comes to that and strong
opinions.
So I don't want to start going down that pathas to LIV vs.
PGA Tour during this conversation.
This is more about the fact that Tiger, one ofthe great things about him and why he was such
a fan favorite, because a lot of people wouldsay he transcended sports in a lot of ways,
(08:40):
with the emotion that he poured into the game.
And we don't see that nowadays.
I mean, I
can think of just barely a handful of playersthat really show emotion.
Like, Ludvig Åberg, for instance, is anotherone that they have glorified as just being
super even-keeled all the time.
(09:02):
The perfect demeanor.
And what's interesting is that Dr.
Lee believes that that's the exact opposite,that that is not the way that you would want to
be on the golf course.
That is not the mindset that you want to have,that you should allow yourself to show emotion.
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You should because that is natural as a humanbeing.
That's what connects us, and that's whatconnects the audience.
So when we look at the fandom and people beingso interested during the Tiger era and golf
growing so much, one of the big things was thathe connected with the audience.
(09:44):
Nowadays, players are not at that level withshowing emotion because it has been shunned
once again, I feel like.
Because of the rhetoric, because of the thingsthat are said by the broadcast teams and in the
broadcast booth, glorifying the even-keeled asthe perfect demeanor.
And they couldn't be more wrong.
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And that's where I started to think as I'mhaving this conversation with him.
I'm like, damn.
I'm like, you're right.
Like, that's why whenever Tiger plays,everybody is locked in.
Now, Tiger was a generational talent, butScottie Scheffler is a generational talent.
There's a big difference between how theaudience feels about Tiger Woods versus how
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they feel about Scottie Scheffler.
There's a big difference there.
And the big difference is the emotion.
What Tiger did with the audience, with the fansthat were out on the golf course, night and
day.
Now you could say that Bryson DeChambeau isthat way.
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And look, look at his YouTube channel.
Right?
He's got a ton of audience members because thatis a factor to him.
That matters to him.
And in order to perform your absolute best, inthe words of Dr.
Lee Picariello, you need to have a presencewith the audience, with your environment, and
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then with yourself.
And so that really brings it to where it'slike, wow.
Who is going to be the modern-day personality?
Because that's what gets related to it a lot isthe personality side.
Oh, this guy has a big personality out there.
It's like, no, he showed emotions.
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I mean, shit, I even remember back in
the day Craig Stadler because
he got so fiery and so angry out there, showingso much emotion, but on the negative side.
But we—I—I asked Dr.
Lee in regards to that too.
I'm like, hey.
What about the negative side?
Like, is is that bad?
And the answer is no because you're going totake up more mental energy and bandwidth trying
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to mitigate that and not allow that to happen,and then it remains.
Right?
You want to let it out, and then you want tomove on beyond it.
And so you see guys like Jon Rahm play veryfiery and play really well when he is fiery.
So there definitely is that ability.
Now, I'm
not saying that people have to be playing outof their character, but
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you look at a lot of guys and you can tell thatthey bring down the emotional level.
And I even think to my own game over the pastseveral years that, like, man, when I
was a kid, playing high school golf,
I was emotional, good and bad, to where, like,I would throw in a fist pump.
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I would get excited when I would make a putt orhit a great shot.
And I remember specifically that it was ourlast match of my senior year.
My mom was actually out there walking the golfcourse watching me for nine holes.
And I'm in a match, and it came down to mymatch as to whether or not we would win and win
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our section.
And
sure enough, it came down to the 18th hole,which was a par 5 at Conklin Players Club.
And that ninth hole, little dogleg left downthe hill, got there in two,
but I had about a 50-foot putt from the frontleft side.
There's a big hump in the middle, and the pinwas back right.
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And I just knew it coming to it because I hadso much emotion going on at the time.
I'm like, I'm making this putt.
Everybody was around, so everybody's standingon the green, our team, their team, the
coaches, the few fans that were out there.
Like my mom was still walking down the cartpath.
And I literally get up there and I hit a putt.
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And immediately, for some reason, I knew it wasgoing in.
I lift the putter.
I start running.
I do the fist pump as soon as it went in thehole, and everybody went nuts from our team.
The other team was devastated.
We ended up winning our section that day.
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And it was just an incredible moment.
I remember my mom screaming and yelling.
So it was a really cool moment that I reallyhaven't talked about.
But I started thinking back to that, and
I was talking to him about it.
I'm like, man, like, to think about that, like,man, when I played with emotion, like, yeah, I
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was better.
Like, I had more of those moments to where,like, playing so even-keeled and so forth,
there really isn't that euphoric moment towhere you just go and have these big, huge
moments.
Even if it's just going out and playing, I feellike, man, he's spot on.
Like, need to show more emotion.
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So that's some of the stuff that I'm gonnastart working on myself is just freeing myself
up a
little bit to not try to mitigate thatemotional side.
Because, as he mentions, that's how humansconnect,
is through emotion.
So if you're gonna connect with other peopleand this game is gonna continue to grow and
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professional golf is going to get moreengaging, we need more people out there that
are going
to show emotion.
That it's not just the mundane, tap it in,little wave to the crowd.
Oh, hey.
I'm here.
Yep.
Just made a birdie.
Cool.
It's like, no.
Like, let's start to see that emotion come out.
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And if you get angry,
you get angry along the way.
But it's that moving on and moving past that ina very short amount of time, that's the piece
that matters.
So my question
is, are we ever going to see the excitement ofa Tiger Woods again?
Or has it just become this boring mindset where
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they're just going to go out there and beeven-keeled the entire round?
That is the new norm.
Everybody thinks that that is the perfect wayof being on the golf course.
I tell you what, I don't really want to live inthat world because I really want to live in the
world where we are back to having fun,entertaining moments.
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You know, even Phil.
Phil and Tiger, we were spoiled with.
Tiger showed his emotion on the golf coursewith his play.
Phil was a showman.
Phil, if he had a crowd around him, man, he wasgonna pull off that shot.
He was gonna risk everything.
He would give the little fist pump.
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I mean, and then you look at, and he alsobrought up Rory McIlroy.
You see the emotion after they win.
You know it's in there.
Why are we not seeing that during the round?
Golf would be
a hell of a lot more interesting if we got tosee that emotion throughout their play, not
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just at the end after a victory.
I want to see that.
And it kind of sparked something in me whereI'm like, man, yeah.
You know what?
I haven't played with emotion in
a long time.
Like, I'll get upset here and there, but, like,the other side to it is important too.
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Getting excited when making a birdie, gettingexcited when you make a big putt, getting
excited when you hit a good drive instead ofjust nonchalantly being
like, oh, yeah.
I hit a good one.
Like, let's start to see that emotion out thereand start to get back into the glory days of
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golf where we did have a Tiger Woods, we didhave a Phil Mickelson, we
had others.
That's what I'm interested in.
That's what I hope to see.
moving forward as I look to do that myself.
Now with this break coming up, training is notstopping.
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5 a.m.
comeback is continuing.
And, really, it has become a lot bigger thanthe game of golf.
I will just say that right off the bat towhere, like, golf is kind of secondary right
now within all this training, getting healthy,and everything.
But I know that it will come back because golfhas always, for me, gone in waves.
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Like, I could go without golf for a while, andthen all of a sudden, I'm obsessed with it.
So I know that it's in a wave right now towhere, you know, I don't want to define myself
just within the game of golf, and it's biggerthan all of that.
But at the same time, it's like, okay.
You know, some of these things, like a golfer'smindset and showing a little bit more emotion,
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getting a little bit more into what I'm doing,I think that's gonna go a long way.
And I could only hope that you guys agree.
And let's hope that we get a phenom thatactually has a lot of character, goes out
there, plays with emotion, and we see it.
And we get back to golf being entertainingversus just relying on great play in order to
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be the entertaining factor.
Now this might not resonate with some peopleright after the Ryder Cup because you're going,
hey.
The last tournament that I saw was the RyderCup, and that was phenomenal.
And they were going nuts.
They were yelling f-u to the crowd.
It was incredible.
Yes.
The Ryder Cup brings that out, but thatexploits exactly what I'm talking about.
Or why isn't every golf tournament like that?
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Why isn't every golf tournament playerabsolutely pumped up to be out there playing
and to show emotion throughout the round?
Good shots, bad shots.
Now I get it.
A lot of the pundits are gonna say that golftakes place over six hours.
You can't have these massive ups and
lows.
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I disagree.
And that's where I'll leave that for tonight.
So without further ado, last episode of 2026, Ihope, or I'm sorry, 2025.
I will
see everybody in January 2026.
If not sooner, we shall see.
But, folks, do take advantage of the promocodes for Devereux Golf, which is Pull Hook
(20:45):
Golf 20 for 20% off, or rockform.com, which isPull Hook 2025, and that's 20% off.
Take advantage of those.
And until next time, I will see you all on theflip side.
down.
Peace out, everybody.
One of the great things about him and why hewas such a fan favorite is because a lot of
(00:04):
people would say he transcended sports in a lotof ways with the emotion that he poured into
the game.
And we don't see that nowadays.
I can think of just barely a handful of playersthat really show emotion.
Like Ludvig Åberg, for instance, is another onethat they have glorified as just being super
(00:25):
even-keeled all the time.
The perfect demeanor.
And what's interesting is that Dr.
Lee believes that that's the exact opposite,that that is not the way that you would want to
be on the golf course.
That is not the mindset that you want to have.
You should allow yourself to show emotion.
(00:47):
You should because that is natural as a humanbeing.
That's what connects us.
And that's what connects audiences.
Now, this might not resonate with some peopleright after the Ryder Cup because you're going,
hey, the last tournament that I saw was theRyder Cup, and that was phenomenal.
And they were going nuts.
They were yelling "F you" to the crowd.
It was incredible.
(01:07):
Yes.
The Ryder Cup brings that out, but thatexploits exactly what I'm talking about.
Or why isn't every golf tournament like that?
Why isn't every golf tournament playerabsolutely pumped up to be out there playing
and to show emotion throughout the round?
Good shots, bad shots.
(01:29):
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
And on today's episode, this is a special onebecause this is the last one of 2025.
Gonna be taking a couple months off and comingback in January 2026.
So that being said, this episode being the lastof this year, I wanted to talk about something
(01:51):
that I had a long conversation with Dr.
Lee Piccarello this week in regards to thegolfers' mindset.
And just wanna talk to you guys in regards to,you know, the difference between what we see
now, what gets glorified now versus what we'vehad in the past, and where there might be a
disconnect between the audience or fan base tothe actual golfers themselves.
(02:16):
You might disagree.
So stay tuned and definitely enjoy thisepisode.
And before we do dive into the episode, I dowanna give a shoutout to our sponsors.
So first off, Devereux Golf, folks.
You can go to devereuxgolf.com.
Utilize the promo code PULLHOOKGOLF20 atcheckout for 20% off your entire order at
(02:36):
devereuxgolf.com.
And then Rokform, you can go over torokform.com.
That's rokform.com.
Utilize the promo code PULLHOOK2025 at checkoutfor 20% off your entire order over at
rokform.com.
Now let's get into the episode.
(02:57):
This episode is all about the golfer's mindset.
And as I got into this conversation, this wasactually the topic of the conversation I had
with Dr.
Lee Piccarello this week during our coachingsession where he coaches me on mental mindset,
(03:18):
you know, performance-wise and just reallyunderstanding how to perform under levels of
pressure, how to callous the mind, so to speak.
But in particular, this week was a lot about,you know, how hard you work to tone down your
emotions on the golf course.
(03:40):
And he believes very much so in there's apyramid to his teachings.
And next year, he's probably gonna be one ofthe first guests that I have on the show in
2024 because I want him to talk about some ofthese things.
But when you're in the right mental performancestate, you want to understand your audience.
(04:06):
You want to understand your environment whileyou're out there in addition to, obviously, the
story that you're telling yourself.
And one of the things that came up is just howdifferent it is right now and how the kind of
no emotion is the standard within the golfworld.
(04:27):
So there were many times this year, in fact,that I heard broadcasters talk about Scottie
Scheffler, that because he's so even-keeled,you never see emotion, that that is how you're
supposed to be on the golf course, that he isthe epitome when it comes to what you look for
(04:48):
in a top-level mental mindset for a moderngolfer.
And we kind of see it across the board now.
so many guys that lack personality.
I mean, LIV Golf took a lot of the guys thathad big personalities.
Right?
Like a Bryson DeChambeau, for instance, whointeracts with his audience and is more of an
(05:09):
exhibitionist, so to speak, when it comes tointeracting with the crowd, showing them his
game, and really feeding off of the crowd aswell.
Back in Tiger's era, I recall even hearing backthen around people putting him down for showing
(05:30):
too much emotion on the golf course.
Too many fist pumps.
Too much aggression out there in terms of and,you know, I say aggression, but really, I mean,
one of the things that Dr.
Lee brought up, he's like, and, Matt, he wasalmost doing it to the crowd when all of a
sudden, he was so in tune.
If he heard a click from a camera, he'd stophis downswing.
(05:54):
And everybody would go wild, and it would showup on ESPN later that day.
Look what Tiger Woods did.
Again, he was able to stop his golf swing inthe middle.
But as he's talking about it, I started torealize that he was spot on with something in
particular to where, you know, golf beforeTiger Woods was always pretty boring.
(06:19):
If Tiger wasn't in the final group on Sunday ormaking a charge or even playing in an event, it
was like, I used to joke around all the timethat watching golf was like it was very easy to
take a nap.
It's the best sport in the world to take a napand wake up, and they're on the 18th hole in
(06:41):
the final round and, you know, they'refinishing out the golf tournament.
So what does that mean?
Why is that?
Because why was it when Tiger was incontention, nobody was falling asleep?
Everybody was locked in.
Everybody was engaged.
And the more we talked about it, the more it'sbecome this, hey, you need to be one specific
(07:08):
way, and that doesn't work for everybody.
And I feel like as we've glorified the peoplethat are just even-keeled all the time, that
don't really show emotion and part of thisconversation was stemmed from the Ryder Cup.
He's like, Matt, why is it acceptable duringthe Ryder Cup that all these guys show all this
emotion, but in a normal tournament, we don'tsee that?
(07:33):
We don't see that kind of emotion.
And everybody talks about it, even him notbeing a big golf guy, but being a big
sportsperson and understanding what therhetoric is from broadcasters and so forth when
he does turn on in a PGA Tour event,
for instance.
(07:54):
And even on LIV, like, the emotion, there's alittle bit more character.
There's a little
bit more exhibitionist in LIV, I feel like, forthe players because they're looser.
They aren't as tight.
They aren't as serious, so to speak, as a lotof people like to say.
Now, you could think entirely differently.
No.
There's so much money on the line that they'reso serious about it.
(08:18):
I mean, there's differing opinions from bothsides when it comes to that and strong
opinions.
So I don't want to start going down that pathas to LIV vs.
PGA Tour during this conversation.
This is more about the fact that Tiger, one ofthe great things about him and why he was such
a fan favorite, because a lot of people wouldsay he transcended sports in a lot of ways,
(08:40):
with the emotion that he poured into the game.
And we don't see that nowadays.
I mean, I
can think of just barely a handful of playersthat really show emotion.
Like, Ludvig Åberg, for instance, is anotherone that they have glorified as just being
super even-keeled all the time.
(09:02):
The perfect demeanor.
And what's interesting is that Dr.
Lee believes that that's the exact opposite,that that is not the way that you would want to
be on the golf course.
That is not the mindset that you want to have,that you should allow yourself to show emotion.
(09:23):
You should because that is natural as a humanbeing.
That's what connects us, and that's whatconnects the audience.
So when we look at the fandom and people beingso interested during the Tiger era and golf
growing so much, one of the big things was thathe connected with the audience.
(09:44):
Nowadays, players are not at that level withshowing emotion because it has been shunned
once again, I feel like.
Because of the rhetoric, because of the thingsthat are said by the broadcast teams and in the
broadcast booth, glorifying the even-keeled asthe perfect demeanor.
And they couldn't be more wrong.
(10:06):
And that's where I started to think as I'mhaving this conversation with him.
I'm like, damn.
I'm like, you're right.
Like, that's why whenever Tiger plays,everybody is locked in.
Now, Tiger was a generational talent, butScottie Scheffler is a generational talent.
There's a big difference between how theaudience feels about Tiger Woods versus how
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they feel about Scottie Scheffler.
There's a big difference there.
And the big difference is the emotion.
What Tiger did with the audience, with the fansthat were out on the golf course, night and
day.
Now you could say that Bryson DeChambeau isthat way.
(10:49):
And look, look at his YouTube channel.
Right?
He's got a ton of audience members because thatis a factor to him.
That matters to him.
And in order to perform your absolute best, inthe words of Dr.
Lee Picariello, you need to have a presencewith the audience, with your environment, and
(11:10):
then with yourself.
And so that really brings it to where it'slike, wow.
Who is going to be the modern-day personality?
Because that's what gets related to it a lot isthe personality side.
Oh, this guy has a big personality out there.
It's like, no, he showed emotions.
(11:32):
I mean, shit, I even remember back in
the day Craig Stadler because
he got so fiery and so angry out there, showingso much emotion, but on the negative side.
But we—I—I asked Dr.
Lee in regards to that too.
I'm like, hey.
What about the negative side?
Like, is is that bad?
And the answer is no because you're going totake up more mental energy and bandwidth trying
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to mitigate that and not allow that to happen,and then it remains.
Right?
You want to let it out, and then you want tomove on beyond it.
And so you see guys like Jon Rahm play veryfiery and play really well when he is fiery.
So there definitely is that ability.
Now, I'm
not saying that people have to be playing outof their character, but
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you look at a lot of guys and you can tell thatthey bring down the emotional level.
And I even think to my own game over the pastseveral years that, like, man, when I
was a kid, playing high school golf,
I was emotional, good and bad, to where, like,I would throw in a fist pump.
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I would get excited when I would make a putt orhit a great shot.
And I remember specifically that it was ourlast match of my senior year.
My mom was actually out there walking the golfcourse watching me for nine holes.
And I'm in a match, and it came down to mymatch as to whether or not we would win and win
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our section.
And
sure enough, it came down to the 18th hole,which was a par 5 at Conklin Players Club.
And that ninth hole, little dogleg left downthe hill, got there in two,
but I had about a 50-foot putt from the frontleft side.
There's a big hump in the middle, and the pinwas back right.
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And I just knew it coming to it because I hadso much emotion going on at the time.
I'm like, I'm making this putt.
Everybody was around, so everybody's standingon the green, our team, their team, the
coaches, the few fans that were out there.
Like my mom was still walking down the cartpath.
And I literally get up there and I hit a putt.
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And immediately, for some reason, I knew it wasgoing in.
I lift the putter.
I start running.
I do the fist pump as soon as it went in thehole, and everybody went nuts from our team.
The other team was devastated.
We ended up winning our section that day.
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And it was just an incredible moment.
I remember my mom screaming and yelling.
So it was a really cool moment that I reallyhaven't talked about.
But I started thinking back to that, and
I was talking to him about it.
I'm like, man, like, to think about that, like,man, when I played with emotion, like, yeah, I
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was better.
Like, I had more of those moments to where,like, playing so even-keeled and so forth,
there really isn't that euphoric moment towhere you just go and have these big, huge
moments.
Even if it's just going out and playing, I feellike, man, he's spot on.
Like, need to show more emotion.
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So that's some of the stuff that I'm gonnastart working on myself is just freeing myself
up a
little bit to not try to mitigate thatemotional side.
Because, as he mentions, that's how humansconnect,
is through emotion.
So if you're gonna connect with other peopleand this game is gonna continue to grow and
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professional golf is going to get moreengaging, we need more people out there that
are going
to show emotion.
That it's not just the mundane, tap it in,little wave to the crowd.
Oh, hey.
I'm here.
Yep.
Just made a birdie.
Cool.
It's like, no.
Like, let's start to see that emotion come out.
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And if you get angry,
you get angry along the way.
But it's that moving on and moving past that ina very short amount of time, that's the piece
that matters.
So my question
is, are we ever going to see the excitement ofa Tiger Woods again?
Or has it just become this boring mindset where
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they're just going to go out there and beeven-keeled the entire round?
That is the new norm.
Everybody thinks that that is the perfect wayof being on the golf course.
I tell you what, I don't really want to live inthat world because I really want to live in the
world where we are back to having fun,entertaining moments.
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You know, even Phil.
Phil and Tiger, we were spoiled with.
Tiger showed his emotion on the golf coursewith his play.
Phil was a showman.
Phil, if he had a crowd around him, man, he wasgonna pull off that shot.
He was gonna risk everything.
He would give the little fist pump.
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I mean, and then you look at, and he alsobrought up Rory McIlroy.
You see the emotion after they win.
You know it's in there.
Why are we not seeing that during the round?
Golf would be
a hell of a lot more interesting if we got tosee that emotion throughout their play, not
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just at the end after a victory.
I want to see that.
And it kind of sparked something in me whereI'm like, man, yeah.
You know what?
I haven't played with emotion in
a long time.
Like, I'll get upset here and there, but, like,the other side to it is important too.
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Getting excited when making a birdie, gettingexcited when you make a big putt, getting
excited when you hit a good drive instead ofjust nonchalantly being
like, oh, yeah.
I hit a good one.
Like, let's start to see that emotion out thereand start to get back into the glory days of
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golf where we did have a Tiger Woods, we didhave a Phil Mickelson, we
had others.
That's what I'm interested in.
That's what I hope to see.
moving forward as I look to do that myself.
Now with this break coming up, training is notstopping.
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5 a.m.
comeback is continuing.
And, really, it has become a lot bigger thanthe game of golf.
I will just say that right off the bat towhere, like, golf is kind of secondary right
now within all this training, getting healthy,and everything.
But I know that it will come back because golfhas always, for me, gone in waves.
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Like, I could go without golf for a while, andthen all of a sudden, I'm obsessed with it.
So I know that it's in a wave right now towhere, you know, I don't want to define myself
just within the game of golf, and it's biggerthan all of that.
But at the same time, it's like, okay.
You know, some of these things, like a golfer'smindset and showing a little bit more emotion,
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getting a little bit more into what I'm doing,I think that's gonna go a long way.
And I could only hope that you guys agree.
And let's hope that we get a phenom thatactually has a lot of character, goes out
there, plays with emotion, and we see it.
And we get back to golf being entertainingversus just relying on great play in order to
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be the entertaining factor.
Now this might not resonate with some peopleright after the Ryder Cup because you're going,
hey.
The last tournament that I saw was the RyderCup, and that was phenomenal.
And they were going nuts.
They were yelling f-u to the crowd.
It was incredible.
Yes.
The Ryder Cup brings that out, but thatexploits exactly what I'm talking about.
Or why isn't every golf tournament like that?
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Why isn't every golf tournament playerabsolutely pumped up to be out there playing
and to show emotion throughout the round?
Good shots, bad shots.
Now I get it.
A lot of the pundits are gonna say that golftakes place over six hours.
You can't have these massive ups and
lows.
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I disagree.
And that's where I'll leave that for tonight.
So without further ado, last episode of 2026, Ihope, or I'm sorry, 2025.
I will
see everybody in January 2026.
If not sooner, we shall see.
But, folks, do take advantage of the promocodes for Devereux Golf, which is Pull Hook
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Golf 20 for 20% off, or rockform.com, which isPull Hook 2025, and that's 20% off.
Take advantage of those.
And until next time, I will see you all on theflip side.
down.
Peace out, everybody.
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