February 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Picture this: a boxing event that promised fireworks but left us feeling like we watched a sequel that didn't quite live up to its original. We start with the much-anticipated Fulton versus Figueroa 2, which, despite the hype, was a bit of a letdown, akin to a movie sequel that should've stayed on the cutting room floor. However, Stephen Fulton's choice of attire, resembling jorts and Timberland boots, provided a comedic silver lining to an otherwise forgettable fight night. While some fans found moments to cheer, we couldn't help but commiserate with those left underwhelmed by the outcome.
But just when we thought the night couldn't recover, the undercard bouts came swinging with excitement! Kumail Moton, the 18-year-old prodigy, brought the house down with his skillful performance against an older opponent, evoking memories of a playful yet fiercely competitive match. Cuello's astounding comeback from a knockdown to win by knockout against Olivo added another layer of thrill. And who could forget the spirited clash between Jesús Ramos and Jason Rosario? We couldn’t resist comparing the bout to a quirky "monkey versus banana" scenario, which brought a much-needed dose of humor to the night’s festivities.
As the main event featuring David Benavidez and David Morel rolled around, the stakes soared higher. We dive into the controversy of the 11th round, where Morel’s late punch and subsequent point deduction stirred up debates. It was a bout filled with emotional intensity and strategic mishaps, but we found moments of levity by likening the referee to Colin Jost's father. Despite the heated exchanges, the post-fight sportsmanship reminded us why we love this sport. To our listeners, thank you for your unwavering support as we continue this boxing journey together, and we invite you to share your thoughts on these thrilling matchups. Despite using ai to write a description that makes us sound smarter, as always, we will break down the best in boxing... with a sense of humor.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Punches and Punchlines, where we break
down the best in boxing with asense of humor.
And now your hosts, fritz andFranco.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back everybody.
Thanks for joining us for thisepisode.
We had a nice littlepay-per-view on Prime Video last
night, headlined by DavidBenavidez versus David Murrell,
and there was some good, somehorseshit and some fun in there.
Franco, I definitely thought itwas enough to talk about and
come back, and then we got somebig fights coming up that we
(00:45):
want to preview before we'regoing to be gone for a couple of
weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, there's not a whole bunch of stuff coming up.
There's some things on thehorizon, but yeah, the main
event was a lot of fun.
I had to go to a guardcompetition, which for anybody
out there that doesn't know whathigh school guard is, it's.
They dance and flip flags.
Usually they're with themarching band and my daughter
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had a competition.
It was.
It was a thing for it, it was.
It was awesome to see mydaughter perform.
It was awesome to see her teamdo well and then they had grown
adults doing it and I had to sitthrough that shit when I knew
that there was good boxing on.
So, luckily, I was able toeventually get home from almost
wisconsin and watch the fightwith you and we were able to see
(01:31):
some of them also kind ofbullshit by pbc that you weren't
able to rewind the fight, whichthat's happened to me before we
should.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'll interrupt you.
We uh, we were able to go backafter a minute and then watch
the replay, but because I hadn'tseen a couple of the prelims,
we went back and watched that.
So I had already watched allthe undercard and didn't want to
watch it again.
So that's why we I chose to goto the prelims.
You know it took me a minute tofind that, but yeah, that's why
(02:00):
we didn't get the pay-per-viewportion, just because I didn't
want to.
That was on me.
Franco and I guarantee evenadults in a marching competition
was still better than having tosit through one of those fights
.
But we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, let's dive into that one.
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So why not, uh, make thathappen now, franco, I?
Uh.
Usually we'd start with the,the main event.
I want to get the shit out ofthe way first, but just address
the garbage that was on thiscard.
Fulton versus figueroa 2 fightof the year was just trash.
It was so bad.
(03:01):
You know what this fight was.
This fight was the phantommenace.
That's what this fight was.
This fight was the Phantom.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Menace.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's what this fight was Because, like, there
was all this excitement from oh,it's been a couple years and
they're doing it again, oh, thisis going to be great, you know.
And then you get in there andit was just garbage.
It was punch, punch.
Hug was the password for thisfight, because it was just
garbage.
The most entertaining part ofthis was that Stephen Fulton was
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in Timberland boots and hisshorts looked like work jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know what I mean.
They were jorts.
He was legit wearing jorts.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, that was the most interesting part was his
outfit.
The rest of this fight justsucked.
My godson was over watchingthis and after that fight he's
like man, I'm too sleepy.
I gotta go home.
Like he missed the main eventbecause that fight was so boring
.
Is out there thinking aboutwatching highlights.
Avoid fulton versus figueroatoo.
It might, might make your eyesbleed, like it's that shitty of
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a fight.
I was embarrassed how excited Ithought the fight was going to
be and how bad it turned out tobe.
Maybe putting phantom menaceand this in the same sentence is
a disservice to phantom menace,because at least phantom menace
had darth maul.
You know where you're like.
All right, well, that wasexciting for six seconds, you
know, until he he got killed offmaybe rise of skywalker, yeah
(04:20):
oh it was.
It was just such a disappointingmovie, or I mean movie and
fight.
Yeah, I wanted to get thegarbage out of the way first.
I think I saved you from havingto even watch this, franco.
I'd say, even check out thehighlights.
But there was none.
There was zero highlights, itwas just a garbage fight.
I think if anybody was tuningin for their first fight,
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they'll never watch boxing again.
Like that's how bad it is bad.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I luckily saw very little about that fight.
I did see the jorts and tims.
That was ridiculous looking.
Uh, the only person who caneven kind of pull that off is
john cena, and that's it.
Nobody else should be rockingthat look anymore.
It was pretty bad, but it wasinteresting.
There are two very divided campsonline and it's like Fulton
(05:07):
fanboys that are saying, youknow, oh, it's good to see him
come back.
You know, one loss doesn'tdefine a fighter.
This was a master class ofbullshit, just all bullshit.
And then the other half arepeople saying the exact same
thing that you said, wherethey're all like I don't know
how this fight was, because Ifell asleep.
This was the best nap I've hadin my entire life.
(05:31):
Like there's tons of commentslike that and it was enough.
Where I I didn't have to evenlook because you had shit on it,
so bad.
I was like we have a finiteamount of time on this planet,
fritz, and to waste it watchingsomething that sounds that bad,
I'm good, I'm good yeah, thelast thing I'll say about it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It made a shakur stevenson fight look exciting,
like that's how bad this fightwas.
So let's get to the good now.
On the undercard of this thatwe watched together, there was a
kid come out.
I think he was 18, kumail mutanoh yeah, just came out and was
bullying this dude.
That's about 8 10 years olderthan them and at one point you
(06:05):
know like he was never really introuble.
Zaldivar, you know the guy fromAladdin.
Oh, yeah, so yeah, Moton tookdown Zaldivar and, like I said,
they when they stopped thisfight like Zaldivar wasn't in
trouble, but he also wasn't inthis fight at any point, so I
wasn't mad at the stoppage onthat one.
(06:26):
This was just a fast kid thatwas basically toying with
Zeldabar.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, he didn't even have to put an extra coin inside
the machine to predict hisfuture Like in big.
It was right.
I thought the kid looked good.
He didn't look amazing, buthe's also a kid like you.
He's where you want him to befor his age.
So I I thought it was good andit was.
It was a fun one to watchbefore all the really really
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good ones kick off right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then the last fight on that, that undercard or
on the prelims, was a fun, funfight that kind of switched how
it was going in the last tworounds.
I'd say no, I'm talking aboutCuello versus Olivo.
Yeah, and Olivo was up for mostof that fight.
And what the announcers hadsaid is that on the scorecards,
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olivo was up on every judge'sscorecard going into that 10th
round.
And then, for those that didn'tsee it, cuello gets knocked
down in the second round, firsttime that he had been knocked
down in his career.
He came in at 14 and 0.
Olivo was just peppering himand countering him, caught him
off balance, but it was still apunch that knocked him down.
His gloves touched the mat, soit was a legit knockdown.
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Olivo was just having success.
But Quayo was still sneaking inthese shots here and there.
That I that in real-time action.
It looked like, oh, maybe hepushed him down.
But then you look at Olivo'sface and I think both of us knew
at that moment.
(07:58):
We're like, oh, that wasn't apush, he is in pain.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I thought it was an exciting fight, it was a
fun one.
Only because Christian Olivowas the underdog on that fight.
And I don't want to say thatQuayo looked like some kind of a
world beater, but you coulddefinitely see him step on the
gas, uh kind of lay it on thickonce he, once he I don't want to
say he felt desperate becauseit was only a flash knockdown,
(08:21):
like he got to, he went down, hepopped up right away, but he
definitely kind of startedthrowing caution to the wind and
stepped on the gas, ended uppaying off for him like had he
not done that, I think he wouldhave lost.
Like the judges had it right, Idefinitely had Olivo up.
I like a good underdog story.
So for it to not finish offthat way, that was a little bit
(08:42):
disappointing.
But also kudos to Cuello.
Also Argentinians.
You know like it's hard to rootfor them.
Fritz, it really is.
The only one is the one whoshares a name with me.
Franco Maximiliano Ocampo isthe only is the only Argentinian
guy that I can really getbehind.
So that part made it a littlebit tougher for me.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it was.
Just that was.
His only way to win was to comeout score the knockout.
Did he know that at the time?
I don't know, maybe he thoughtit was closer than it was, but
after they read those scorecardsyou know before that round,
yeah, he was definitely going toneed multiple knockdowns or the
knockout to win, and he got it.
And, like you said, the bodyshot lands, just puts him right
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to the deck and you could see hewas in a lot of pain.
When he beats the count, theylet the fight start again.
Coyote just comes in, landsalmost the exact same spot and
sends him to a knee again and hegets up before the 10 count.
But the rep didn't like what hesaw and, you know, just waved
it off.
I don't know if that was theright choice, but I also saw how
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much pain he was in, and did heneed to take one more shot to
his liver?
Probably not.
So you know, we've said beforeit only takes one second to end
somebody's life, so I'd ratherhave you end it a second early
than a second late.
So it ended up being a goodfight, though that led us into
the pay-per-view portion of thisNow.
Did you see any of Jesus Ramosversus Jason Rosario?
(10:08):
I did just highlights, but Iwas able to see it Now, my
favorite part of this fight.
Franco is jesus ramos, his uhnickname is el mono and uh, for
those that don't uh speakspanish, that's the monkey.
All right, yep.
And uh, jason rosario.
His nickname is banana, allright.
So this is literally the monkeyversus the banana, and I'm not
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surprised at all that the monkeywon.
You know what I mean.
Like what's the best the bananacan do?
Make you, make you slip.
Like there was no peels insidethe ring.
So rosario definitely lookedlike a banana.
You know that was ready forbanana bread.
You know what I mean?
Because you let it over ripenand it got bruised.
You know where you're like, ah,I can't eat this thing anymore.
But you know what I can make anice loaf of banana bread.
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So it's not all his law.
And, yeah, this ended in aknockout as well, and it was
more or less that the ref hadjust seen enough.
I don't think Rosario was inreal trouble when the action
stopped, but he also was neverreally in this fight.
He was landing arm punches, hewas getting hurt, he was
definitely taking shots and itwas like all right, you could
(11:15):
clearly see that rosario wasn'tin the fight.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Might as well just save him from himself yeah, this
was definitely kind of what youwere saying about the last
fight, one of those things whereif you watch just the stoppage,
it's kind of like, was thiscorrect, was it not correct?
But if you put it all together,the referee did a great job
stopping this fight.
The knockdown that happenedhappened in the seventh.
You could tell it rung his bell.
He wasn't the same.
After that he wasn't, he wasn'tin the right place.
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So for the referee to step inand stop it, I thought it was
good.
Also, we've seen El Mono.
We've seen Ramos a bunch oftimes now and he's a fun fighter
to watch.
I really, I really like him.
It's somebody that I don'tnecessarily need to see him in a
big main event yet necessarily,but he's perfect on the
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undercard, he's perfect where hewas at because it's just
entertaining enough.
And, yeah, I mean I'd love tosee him keep climbing up the
card, but it's always fun to seehim on there because then it
makes the pay-per-view feel likeit's worth it.
We've definitely had some cardswhere there's just a bunch of
nobodies and then a huge name atthe top and it's like balance
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it out.
These are long shows.
Five six-hour shows Give mesomething to tune in for at the
beginning and, yeah, having ElMono devour a banana and leave
it bruised.
The only thing left to do withthe banana now is for them to
make us some dominican bananabread.
That's it, fritz.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
There's nothing left to do with him now and then that
led us into what I thought wasthe fight of the night I isaac
cruz versus on health fiero.
Yes, okay, and this was just abanger of a fight.
Like it was really a lot ofcrews early, but I don't know
what the hell fiero's chin ismade up.
The actual pontiac, fiero,couldn't handle the kind of
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beating that on health fiero putup with.
You know what I mean.
Like he was just builtincredibly solid because he was
taking shots right to the chin,right center of the forehead,
right to the temple.
The worst that ever happenedwas he got a little wobble.
You know what I mean.
He wasn't stunned, he wasn'tdoing the stanky leg, he wasn't
doing any of that stuff.
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He was just banging right backand it was incredible just how
much action was involved in thisone.
I absolutely loved it.
Now, one thing that I'll sayabout this here were the scored
cards.
It was a unanimous decision.
For Isak Cruz, All right,Pitbull takes it it was 96-94,
which I was like I could livewith that card, Either way you
put it.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
For Figueroa or for Isak Cruz, all right.
And then the other two Idisagreed with were 97-93 and
98-92.
The guy watching 98-92 wasn'twatching the same fight that I
was, because Fierro had somesuccess throughout this fight
and I want to see Angel Fierrofight again because of this.
He was not just happy to bethere, I could have seen them
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raising his hand in this one.
It was that close, justaction-packed throughout.
It was a joy.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, for anybody out there that likes old
professional wrestling, if youremember, on old WrestleManias
the main event would not be thebest match of the night.
It would end up being likeShawn Michaels or something way
earlier on the card and that'sall people would talk about.
That's kind of how this was,which is crazy because the main
event was really, really goodand yet it's pretty unanimous.
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Everybody keeps saying this islike a fight of the year
candidate.
This was a great fight and itwasn't the main event.
This wasn't the big fight, butthese two dudes were just
exchanging vicious punches.
I agree with you that the 97,98, 92 is ridiculous.
(14:54):
Like there's no way.
It was so much closer than that.
I wouldn't even be mad ifsomebody would have scored it as
a draw.
No-transcript.
Otherwise, you know what thewinners are the fans.
We got to see a banger of afight.
My question is do they run itback?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I would love to see that and that would have been an
absolute perfect.
And your winner, by unanimousdecision, is everyone that got
to watch this fight.
That's who really won.
You know what I mean?
That would have been perfectfor Jimmy Lennon Jr to say.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Everybody gets a free Big Mac with your tickets,
right, lennon, jr to say umeverybody gets a free big mac
with your tickets.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right, it was just so great, um, but I hope they do
it again.
It was an absolute banger of afight.
It was like the yin to the shityang for the fight that came,
uh, after this.
You know what I mean.
So I'll always be a fan of uh,isaac pitbull cruz, because he
knocked our our buddy, romerouheless, took his belt that he
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was gifted by somebody vacating.
So, yeah, it was just anabsolute joy of a fight.
Anybody that wants to check outhighlights from this weekend,
make sure you check.
Isak Cruz versus Angel Fierro.
It was absolutely a joy.
But the main event was DavidBenavidezides el monstro all
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right, the mexican monsterversus david morel.
David morel came from cuba,defected from cuba and now
resides in minneapolis,minnesota.
I'm a I'm a big fan ofminneapolis and minnesota in
general, franco.
Every time we've seen a fightat the armory, it always looks
like it's an absolute blast, andthat's on my fan nerd bucket
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list of places that I want towatch.
A fight is the Armory inMinneapolis.
But as much as David Murrellwas game in this fight, he
wasn't the better fighter.
He definitely put up a lottougher fight against Benavidez
than others.
Have you know?
Recently Benavidez was able towalk through Demetrius Andrade.
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He was able to walk rightthrough Caleb Plant.
He's been able to to beat thesetop tier guys.
I thought that even in thisloss David Morrell didn't hurt
himself in any way.
I think he's got good fightsahead of him at 175 or if he can
go back down to 168.
I know that he had campaignedthere for quite a while, so the
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future is bright for both ofthese dudes.
I'm interested to see NowFebruary 22nd is the rematch of
B-Ball versus Better B-Ab.
I'd be interested to see whetherhe's able to get a title shot
against whoever wins that.
You know what I mean Like ableto get a title shot against
whoever wins that.
You know what I mean like.
That would be a joy to seewhether he can compete with the
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elite at 175 or whether he'sthat next level down.
The only way to tell for sureis if he takes on either b ball
or uh, better be it.
That would be my next fight.
I'd like to see him take on thewinner or even the loser of
that fight.
I think it'd be a good steppingstone to get to Undisputed for
him If he, let's say B-Ballloses the rematch and Better B
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of stays at Undisputed.
I could see B-Ball versusBenavidez being a fight I would
pay for for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, I loved this fight.
I thought that it was so muchfun.
There was a little bit ofcontroversy with the fight
toward what was it?
The 11th round.
Well, first of all, during thefight it was a lot of back and
forth, but later in the fightBenavidez was definitely
dominating.
It wasn't as much back andforth.
I don't want to say Morel wasgetting tired, but he had been
eating really, really big, heavypunches, like even Benavides'
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jab looked brutal, and so forhim to just be getting picked
apart over a span of time,that's going to start to wear
you down a little bit.
In the 11th round, benavidesended up going down and then
almost immediately after theround ends and Morel keeps
throwing way after the bell.
Here's the problem.
Benavides was throwing amillion punches right up to the
bell.
One came maybe half a heartbeatafter the bell and then there
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was another beat and then Morelends up throwing this wild punch
while the referee is already inbetween them and stopping and
saying stop, stop, stop.
He throws it super late, getsdeducted a point, and so people
are kind of trying to hang theirhat on that and be like well,
it should have been closer.
No, like it ended up being awash in the end.
I don't think it would havemattered in the end, even with
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how the scorecards ended upgoing.
So for people to really beharping on that, I don't know
that it really makes that muchof a difference.
And also it did show a littlebit of how morel knew that he
was down, like he was frustratedhe was, he was getting
emotional and that would be oneof the main reasons for him to
throw that late punch.
Is he's going off of pureemotions, but also he had been
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getting his his head rocked infor the previous 10 rounds.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It showed his lack of experience too.
You know we're this madebenavidez 30 you0, and I think,
coming into this, morel was 10-0or 11-0, something like that, I
think.
You know Colin Joe's dad got itright when he took the point
away because it was clearlyafter the bell.
Everybody wants to look up thereferee from the main event,
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benavidez versus Morel.
It definitely looks like it'sColin Jost's dad, and Franco
pointed it out.
I just didn't want him toforget to include that this
episode.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Thomas Taylor.
I was trying to look it upwhile we were discussing.
Thomas Taylor is the referee'sname and it is totally Colin
Jost's dad.
I don't care what anybody tellsme.
It looks like an aged ColinJost, um, but he's been around
for other fights, it's just hewas like an extra he was like an
extra colin josty this night.
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Um, otherwise the other likekind of not obnoxious thing.
But there's two very differenttakes with this fight, everybody
agreeing that it was an amazingfight.
It was, it was action-packed,there was no clenching, like I
think we were like maybethree-fourths of the way halfway
through and I go, have theyclenched even once?
Like there was zero hugging inthis fight and it made me
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appreciate how they were justgoing toe-to-toe.
Some people were saying thatthe knockdown was actually a
trip because of how he placedhis foot and other nonsense.
And it's like no, that's nothow this works.
If you have your foot to theinside and you punch the guy
hard enough with your left handthat he trips over your foot,
that shouldn't have gottenpunched that hard.
Like that's just how boxingworks.
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It's not like you picked themup and took them down.
But a lot of L takes by peoplewhere they're just saying stupid
stuff like oh, he's not readyfor Canelo and this just goes to
show that Benavides isn't thatstrong.
Why can't you say that Moreljust fought that well?
Like right, benavides foughtbetter and Morel made him look
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semi-human.
But also maybe Morel is areally good fighter.
He was absorbing huge punches,he never gave up, he was landing
big shots in return, like itwas just a great fight.
Why can't we just kind ofaccept that there was a
wonderful fight that we got towitness, instead of like
nitpicking it and saying thatsomebody who's really, really
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good maybe isn't as good as youthought?
That could be said for everyfighter that we've watched,
where none of them have lookedthat dominant right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You could almost have that in every sport too.
You know, like, yeah, canelo isbig enough that there are
canelo fans that aren'tnecessarily boxing fans, you
know what I mean.
So they'll tune in and justwatch it through the canelo fan
eyes, where you and I have saidbefore like I love boxing way
more than I love any boxer.
So I think that keeps us with alittle better perspective than
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some people have.
You know, when you go in andyou're just looking through the
lenses of, oh I love Canelo andCanelo fans don't like this guy,
so I'm not going to like thisguy.
You know what I mean.
That's how I think they goabout it.
It's a shame you get to checkout more stuff if you take those
lenses off.
It was, yeah, overall, just agreat fight.
Well, it was a really, reallygood fight.
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I'll say that, like the IsakCruz versus Fierro, that was a
great fight.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
That was an absolute joy.
Benavidez versus Murrell wasreally good, just like every
other.
Oh, this is a grudge match.
They don't like each other.
They're hugging at the end ofit.
Yeah, it's so annoying.
And the afterwards too, whenbenavida's like oh, I actually
thought he would hit harder thanthat.
So, uh, you know I'm shocked bythat, and like the talking shit
afterwards too, I think is dumb.
(23:25):
You know it's like all right,you got your win.
You got your your fake belts.
Just go home with those.
You're the winner.
Take the high road.
Either way.
I'm looking forward to whatthese guys both do next.
That's kind of what I had tosay about this fight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, you know that, with the chirping and the bad
mouthing and then the usualhugging afterwards.
I hate to say this because I'vecoached high school sports for
almost a quarter of a centuryand have always preached
sportsmanship and taking thehigher ground.
But a small part of me kind ofwants to see a boxer take off
the gloves after a fight, not goover and shake the other guy's
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hand and flip them off and belike no, I meant that I really
don't like you, I am going tohunt on your family and murder
your children and whatever otherhorrible, stupid things that
they say.
I want them to stand by it justonce, like one time.
Let me believe that it's real,like kayfabe and wrestling is.
When people believe that it'sreal with boxing, I feel like
(24:21):
I'm so cynical about all of itand I'm like none of this stuff
before the fight is real anymoreand just I don't.
We know that.
I want to believe it, fritz.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I want to believe that it's real just one time I
just like when I see every pressconference, I'm like oh,
there's a Rube that's buyingthis.
You know, there is there's aRube out there that's getting
this pay-per-view just becauseof this yelling match that's
going on.
Either way, it was definitelyworth the pay-per-view I'm
looking forward to in a coupleof weeks February 22nd is the
(24:53):
Bevol versus Better Be ofrematch.
Yeah, I'm looking forward tothat.
I think that will be the nexttime that we have an episode to
break that stuff down.
There are a couple of cardsthat I will certainly watch.
Next weekend there's one onESPN, I think.
The following weekend there isas well, so we'll have some
content plus that pay-per-viewBeavol versus Betterbeev.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Now I have a question On that card, betterbeev and
Beavol are.
Daniel Dubois versus JosephParker and Shakur Stevenson
versus Floyd Schofield.
Are those all on the same card?
I think Virgil Ortiz andMadramov.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, I believe so, like it's a stacked night of
boxing and I'm certainly lookingforward to it yeah, it looks
like callum smith and jaleizhang and virgil ortiz jr uh
versus madra madramov might alsobe fighting jalei zhang.
That, oh that would be amazing,though yeah, take all my money
yeah, so we're gonna have plentyto talk about on that one.
(25:50):
Anything that's between now andthen is gonna have to be pretty
good to make it through.
But, like we've done in thepast, people, we will watch all
of it and let you know what wasgood and what you can uh fast
forward through.
So before uh we part ways,franco, I have a trivia question
for you and see whether you'reuh ready to go I am so nervous.
these are so nervous.
(26:11):
These are now David Benavidezoh, monstro is not.
He's undefeated at 30.
And oh, now I've gathered upfour names.
Three of these names, he hasdefeated in the ring.
One of them he has not.
Here we go Kevin Cobbs, albertoGutierrez Diane and Felipe
(26:31):
Romero.
Who did David Benavidez notdefeat?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Let's go, alberto Gutierrez.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He did beat Alberto Gutierrez.
Diane Vecchietto was a failedWhite Sox prospect.
You know what I heard the nameand I'm like that's an athlete.
I remember that, God damn it.
So I'm glad I was able tofinally sneak one by yeah you
got me, I'll have something, uh,you know, ready for the next
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episode too, and, uh, I want tothank you for doing all the work
and, uh, you know, getting itout to the people.
I certainly appreciate it.
I want to thank everybody forfor tuning in, for listening,
for subscribing.
If you're listening, whateverplatform you're listening, if
they give you a chance to give areview, leave a review.
I appreciate the people thathave done it.
Yeah, if you don't haveanything else, franco, I'm
(27:21):
throwing in the top Thank youfor listening to Punches and
Punchlines.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Make sure to like, subscribe and follow and we'll
see you next week when we breakdown the best in boxing with a
sense of humor.
Welcome to Punches and Punchlines, where we break
down the best in boxing with asense of humor.
And now your hosts, fritz andFranco.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back everybody.
Thanks for joining us for thisepisode.
We had a nice littlepay-per-view on Prime Video last
night, headlined by DavidBenavidez versus David Murrell,
and there was some good, somehorseshit and some fun in there.
Franco, I definitely thought itwas enough to talk about and
come back, and then we got somebig fights coming up that we
(00:45):
want to preview before we'regoing to be gone for a couple of
weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, there's not a whole bunch of stuff coming up.
There's some things on thehorizon, but yeah, the main
event was a lot of fun.
I had to go to a guardcompetition, which for anybody
out there that doesn't know whathigh school guard is, it's.
They dance and flip flags.
Usually they're with themarching band and my daughter
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had a competition.
It was.
It was a thing for it, it was.
It was awesome to see mydaughter perform.
It was awesome to see her teamdo well and then they had grown
adults doing it and I had to sitthrough that shit when I knew
that there was good boxing on.
So, luckily, I was able toeventually get home from almost
wisconsin and watch the fightwith you and we were able to see
(01:31):
some of them also kind ofbullshit by pbc that you weren't
able to rewind the fight, whichthat's happened to me before we
should.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'll interrupt you.
We uh, we were able to go backafter a minute and then watch
the replay, but because I hadn'tseen a couple of the prelims,
we went back and watched that.
So I had already watched allthe undercard and didn't want to
watch it again.
So that's why we I chose to goto the prelims.
You know it took me a minute tofind that, but yeah, that's why
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we didn't get the pay-per-viewportion, just because I didn't
want to.
That was on me.
Franco and I guarantee evenadults in a marching competition
was still better than having tosit through one of those fights
.
But we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, let's dive into that one.
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So why not, uh, make thathappen now, franco, I?
Uh.
Usually we'd start with the,the main event.
I want to get the shit out ofthe way first, but just address
the garbage that was on thiscard.
Fulton versus figueroa 2 fightof the year was just trash.
It was so bad.
(03:01):
You know what this fight was.
This fight was the phantommenace.
That's what this fight was.
This fight was the Phantom.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Menace.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's what this fight was Because, like, there
was all this excitement from oh,it's been a couple years and
they're doing it again, oh, thisis going to be great, you know.
And then you get in there andit was just garbage.
It was punch, punch.
Hug was the password for thisfight, because it was just
garbage.
The most entertaining part ofthis was that Stephen Fulton was
(03:27):
in Timberland boots and hisshorts looked like work jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know what I mean.
They were jorts.
He was legit wearing jorts.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, that was the most interesting part was his
outfit.
The rest of this fight justsucked.
My godson was over watchingthis and after that fight he's
like man, I'm too sleepy.
I gotta go home.
Like he missed the main eventbecause that fight was so boring
.
Is out there thinking aboutwatching highlights.
Avoid fulton versus figueroatoo.
It might, might make your eyesbleed, like it's that shitty of
(03:58):
a fight.
I was embarrassed how excited Ithought the fight was going to
be and how bad it turned out tobe.
Maybe putting phantom menaceand this in the same sentence is
a disservice to phantom menace,because at least phantom menace
had darth maul.
You know where you're like.
All right, well, that wasexciting for six seconds, you
know, until he he got killed offmaybe rise of skywalker, yeah
(04:20):
oh it was.
It was just such a disappointingmovie, or I mean movie and
fight.
Yeah, I wanted to get thegarbage out of the way first.
I think I saved you from havingto even watch this, franco.
I'd say, even check out thehighlights.
But there was none.
There was zero highlights, itwas just a garbage fight.
I think if anybody was tuningin for their first fight,
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they'll never watch boxing again.
Like that's how bad it is bad.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I luckily saw very little about that fight.
I did see the jorts and tims.
That was ridiculous looking.
Uh, the only person who caneven kind of pull that off is
john cena, and that's it.
Nobody else should be rockingthat look anymore.
It was pretty bad, but it wasinteresting.
There are two very divided campsonline and it's like Fulton
(05:07):
fanboys that are saying, youknow, oh, it's good to see him
come back.
You know, one loss doesn'tdefine a fighter.
This was a master class ofbullshit, just all bullshit.
And then the other half arepeople saying the exact same
thing that you said, wherethey're all like I don't know
how this fight was, because Ifell asleep.
This was the best nap I've hadin my entire life.
(05:31):
Like there's tons of commentslike that and it was enough.
Where I I didn't have to evenlook because you had shit on it,
so bad.
I was like we have a finiteamount of time on this planet,
fritz, and to waste it watchingsomething that sounds that bad,
I'm good, I'm good yeah, thelast thing I'll say about it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It made a shakur stevenson fight look exciting,
like that's how bad this fightwas.
So let's get to the good now.
On the undercard of this thatwe watched together, there was a
kid come out.
I think he was 18, kumail mutanoh yeah, just came out and was
bullying this dude.
That's about 8 10 years olderthan them and at one point you
(06:05):
know like he was never really introuble.
Zaldivar, you know the guy fromAladdin.
Oh, yeah, so yeah, Moton tookdown Zaldivar and, like I said,
they when they stopped thisfight like Zaldivar wasn't in
trouble, but he also wasn't inthis fight at any point, so I
wasn't mad at the stoppage onthat one.
(06:26):
This was just a fast kid thatwas basically toying with
Zeldabar.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, he didn't even have to put an extra coin inside
the machine to predict hisfuture Like in big.
It was right.
I thought the kid looked good.
He didn't look amazing, buthe's also a kid like you.
He's where you want him to befor his age.
So I I thought it was good andit was.
It was a fun one to watchbefore all the really really
(06:51):
good ones kick off right.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then the last fight on that, that undercard or
on the prelims, was a fun, funfight that kind of switched how
it was going in the last tworounds.
I'd say no, I'm talking aboutCuello versus Olivo.
Yeah, and Olivo was up for mostof that fight.
And what the announcers hadsaid is that on the scorecards,
(07:15):
olivo was up on every judge'sscorecard going into that 10th
round.
And then, for those that didn'tsee it, cuello gets knocked
down in the second round, firsttime that he had been knocked
down in his career.
He came in at 14 and 0.
Olivo was just peppering himand countering him, caught him
off balance, but it was still apunch that knocked him down.
His gloves touched the mat, soit was a legit knockdown.
(07:37):
Olivo was just having success.
But Quayo was still sneaking inthese shots here and there.
That I that in real-time action.
It looked like, oh, maybe hepushed him down.
But then you look at Olivo'sface and I think both of us knew
at that moment.
(07:58):
We're like, oh, that wasn't apush, he is in pain.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I thought it was an exciting fight, it was a
fun one.
Only because Christian Olivowas the underdog on that fight.
And I don't want to say thatQuayo looked like some kind of a
world beater, but you coulddefinitely see him step on the
gas, uh kind of lay it on thickonce he, once he I don't want to
say he felt desperate becauseit was only a flash knockdown,
(08:21):
like he got to, he went down, hepopped up right away, but he
definitely kind of startedthrowing caution to the wind and
stepped on the gas, ended uppaying off for him like had he
not done that, I think he wouldhave lost.
Like the judges had it right, Idefinitely had Olivo up.
I like a good underdog story.
So for it to not finish offthat way, that was a little bit
(08:42):
disappointing.
But also kudos to Cuello.
Also Argentinians.
You know like it's hard to rootfor them.
Fritz, it really is.
The only one is the one whoshares a name with me.
Franco Maximiliano Ocampo isthe only is the only Argentinian
guy that I can really getbehind.
So that part made it a littlebit tougher for me.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it was.
Just that was.
His only way to win was to comeout score the knockout.
Did he know that at the time?
I don't know, maybe he thoughtit was closer than it was, but
after they read those scorecardsyou know before that round,
yeah, he was definitely going toneed multiple knockdowns or the
knockout to win, and he got it.
And, like you said, the bodyshot lands, just puts him right
(09:23):
to the deck and you could see hewas in a lot of pain.
When he beats the count, theylet the fight start again.
Coyote just comes in, landsalmost the exact same spot and
sends him to a knee again and hegets up before the 10 count.
But the rep didn't like what hesaw and, you know, just waved
it off.
I don't know if that was theright choice, but I also saw how
(09:45):
much pain he was in, and did heneed to take one more shot to
his liver?
Probably not.
So you know, we've said beforeit only takes one second to end
somebody's life, so I'd ratherhave you end it a second early
than a second late.
So it ended up being a goodfight, though that led us into
the pay-per-view portion of thisNow.
Did you see any of Jesus Ramosversus Jason Rosario?
(10:08):
I did just highlights, but Iwas able to see it Now, my
favorite part of this fight.
Franco is jesus ramos, his uhnickname is el mono and uh, for
those that don't uh speakspanish, that's the monkey.
All right, yep.
And uh, jason rosario.
His nickname is banana, allright.
So this is literally the monkeyversus the banana, and I'm not
(10:32):
surprised at all that the monkeywon.
You know what I mean.
Like what's the best the bananacan do?
Make you, make you slip.
Like there was no peels insidethe ring.
So rosario definitely lookedlike a banana.
You know that was ready forbanana bread.
You know what I mean?
Because you let it over ripenand it got bruised.
You know where you're like, ah,I can't eat this thing anymore.
But you know what I can make anice loaf of banana bread.
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So it's not all his law.
And, yeah, this ended in aknockout as well, and it was
more or less that the ref hadjust seen enough.
I don't think Rosario was inreal trouble when the action
stopped, but he also was neverreally in this fight.
He was landing arm punches, hewas getting hurt, he was
definitely taking shots and itwas like all right, you could
(11:15):
clearly see that rosario wasn'tin the fight.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Might as well just save him from himself yeah, this
was definitely kind of what youwere saying about the last
fight, one of those things whereif you watch just the stoppage,
it's kind of like, was thiscorrect, was it not correct?
But if you put it all together,the referee did a great job
stopping this fight.
The knockdown that happenedhappened in the seventh.
You could tell it rung his bell.
He wasn't the same.
After that he wasn't, he wasn'tin the right place.
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So for the referee to step inand stop it, I thought it was
good.
Also, we've seen El Mono.
We've seen Ramos a bunch oftimes now and he's a fun fighter
to watch.
I really, I really like him.
It's somebody that I don'tnecessarily need to see him in a
big main event yet necessarily,but he's perfect on the
(12:00):
undercard, he's perfect where hewas at because it's just
entertaining enough.
And, yeah, I mean I'd love tosee him keep climbing up the
card, but it's always fun to seehim on there because then it
makes the pay-per-view feel likeit's worth it.
We've definitely had some cardswhere there's just a bunch of
nobodies and then a huge name atthe top and it's like balance
(12:21):
it out.
These are long shows.
Five six-hour shows Give mesomething to tune in for at the
beginning and, yeah, having ElMono devour a banana and leave
it bruised.
The only thing left to do withthe banana now is for them to
make us some dominican bananabread.
That's it, fritz.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
There's nothing left to do with him now and then that
led us into what I thought wasthe fight of the night I isaac
cruz versus on health fiero.
Yes, okay, and this was just abanger of a fight.
Like it was really a lot ofcrews early, but I don't know
what the hell fiero's chin ismade up.
The actual pontiac, fiero,couldn't handle the kind of
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beating that on health fiero putup with.
You know what I mean.
Like he was just builtincredibly solid because he was
taking shots right to the chin,right center of the forehead,
right to the temple.
The worst that ever happenedwas he got a little wobble.
You know what I mean.
He wasn't stunned, he wasn'tdoing the stanky leg, he wasn't
doing any of that stuff.
(13:21):
He was just banging right backand it was incredible just how
much action was involved in thisone.
I absolutely loved it.
Now, one thing that I'll sayabout this here were the scored
cards.
It was a unanimous decision.
For Isak Cruz, All right,Pitbull takes it it was 96-94,
which I was like I could livewith that card, Either way you
put it.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
For Figueroa or for Isak Cruz, all right.
And then the other two Idisagreed with were 97-93 and
98-92.
The guy watching 98-92 wasn'twatching the same fight that I
was, because Fierro had somesuccess throughout this fight
and I want to see Angel Fierrofight again because of this.
He was not just happy to bethere, I could have seen them
(14:04):
raising his hand in this one.
It was that close, justaction-packed throughout.
It was a joy.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, for anybody out there that likes old
professional wrestling, if youremember, on old WrestleManias
the main event would not be thebest match of the night.
It would end up being likeShawn Michaels or something way
earlier on the card and that'sall people would talk about.
That's kind of how this was,which is crazy because the main
event was really, really goodand yet it's pretty unanimous.
(14:34):
Everybody keeps saying this islike a fight of the year
candidate.
This was a great fight and itwasn't the main event.
This wasn't the big fight, butthese two dudes were just
exchanging vicious punches.
I agree with you that the 97,98, 92 is ridiculous.
(14:54):
Like there's no way.
It was so much closer than that.
I wouldn't even be mad ifsomebody would have scored it as
a draw.
No-transcript.
Otherwise, you know what thewinners are the fans.
We got to see a banger of afight.
My question is do they run itback?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I would love to see that and that would have been an
absolute perfect.
And your winner, by unanimousdecision, is everyone that got
to watch this fight.
That's who really won.
You know what I mean?
That would have been perfectfor Jimmy Lennon Jr to say.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Everybody gets a free Big Mac with your tickets,
right, lennon, jr to say umeverybody gets a free big mac
with your tickets.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right, it was just so great, um, but I hope they do
it again.
It was an absolute banger of afight.
It was like the yin to the shityang for the fight that came,
uh, after this.
You know what I mean.
So I'll always be a fan of uh,isaac pitbull cruz, because he
knocked our our buddy, romerouheless, took his belt that he
(15:53):
was gifted by somebody vacating.
So, yeah, it was just anabsolute joy of a fight.
Anybody that wants to check outhighlights from this weekend,
make sure you check.
Isak Cruz versus Angel Fierro.
It was absolutely a joy.
But the main event was DavidBenavidezides el monstro all
(16:14):
right, the mexican monsterversus david morel.
David morel came from cuba,defected from cuba and now
resides in minneapolis,minnesota.
I'm a I'm a big fan ofminneapolis and minnesota in
general, franco.
Every time we've seen a fightat the armory, it always looks
like it's an absolute blast, andthat's on my fan nerd bucket
(16:36):
list of places that I want towatch.
A fight is the Armory inMinneapolis.
But as much as David Murrellwas game in this fight, he
wasn't the better fighter.
He definitely put up a lottougher fight against Benavidez
than others.
Have you know?
Recently Benavidez was able towalk through Demetrius Andrade.
(16:56):
He was able to walk rightthrough Caleb Plant.
He's been able to to beat thesetop tier guys.
I thought that even in thisloss David Morrell didn't hurt
himself in any way.
I think he's got good fightsahead of him at 175 or if he can
go back down to 168.
I know that he had campaignedthere for quite a while, so the
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future is bright for both ofthese dudes.
I'm interested to see NowFebruary 22nd is the rematch of
B-Ball versus Better B-Ab.
I'd be interested to see whetherhe's able to get a title shot
against whoever wins that.
You know what I mean Like ableto get a title shot against
whoever wins that.
You know what I mean like.
That would be a joy to seewhether he can compete with the
(17:37):
elite at 175 or whether he'sthat next level down.
The only way to tell for sureis if he takes on either b ball
or uh, better be it.
That would be my next fight.
I'd like to see him take on thewinner or even the loser of
that fight.
I think it'd be a good steppingstone to get to Undisputed for
him If he, let's say B-Ballloses the rematch and Better B
(18:02):
of stays at Undisputed.
I could see B-Ball versusBenavidez being a fight I would
pay for for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, I loved this fight.
I thought that it was so muchfun.
There was a little bit ofcontroversy with the fight
toward what was it?
The 11th round.
Well, first of all, during thefight it was a lot of back and
forth, but later in the fightBenavidez was definitely
dominating.
It wasn't as much back andforth.
I don't want to say Morel wasgetting tired, but he had been
eating really, really big, heavypunches, like even Benavides'
(18:36):
jab looked brutal, and so forhim to just be getting picked
apart over a span of time,that's going to start to wear
you down a little bit.
In the 11th round, benavidesended up going down and then
almost immediately after theround ends and Morel keeps
throwing way after the bell.
Here's the problem.
Benavides was throwing amillion punches right up to the
bell.
One came maybe half a heartbeatafter the bell and then there
(19:01):
was another beat and then Morelends up throwing this wild punch
while the referee is already inbetween them and stopping and
saying stop, stop, stop.
He throws it super late, getsdeducted a point, and so people
are kind of trying to hang theirhat on that and be like well,
it should have been closer.
No, like it ended up being awash in the end.
I don't think it would havemattered in the end, even with
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how the scorecards ended upgoing.
So for people to really beharping on that, I don't know
that it really makes that muchof a difference.
And also it did show a littlebit of how morel knew that he
was down, like he was frustratedhe was, he was getting
emotional and that would be oneof the main reasons for him to
throw that late punch.
Is he's going off of pureemotions, but also he had been
(19:44):
getting his his head rocked infor the previous 10 rounds.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It showed his lack of experience too.
You know we're this madebenavidez 30 you0, and I think,
coming into this, morel was 10-0or 11-0, something like that, I
think.
You know Colin Joe's dad got itright when he took the point
away because it was clearlyafter the bell.
Everybody wants to look up thereferee from the main event,
(20:12):
benavidez versus Morel.
It definitely looks like it'sColin Jost's dad, and Franco
pointed it out.
I just didn't want him toforget to include that this
episode.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Thomas Taylor.
I was trying to look it upwhile we were discussing.
Thomas Taylor is the referee'sname and it is totally Colin
Jost's dad.
I don't care what anybody tellsme.
It looks like an aged ColinJost, um, but he's been around
for other fights, it's just hewas like an extra he was like an
extra colin josty this night.
(20:42):
Um, otherwise the other likekind of not obnoxious thing.
But there's two very differenttakes with this fight, everybody
agreeing that it was an amazingfight.
It was, it was action-packed,there was no clenching, like I
think we were like maybethree-fourths of the way halfway
through and I go, have theyclenched even once?
Like there was zero hugging inthis fight and it made me
(21:04):
appreciate how they were justgoing toe-to-toe.
Some people were saying thatthe knockdown was actually a
trip because of how he placedhis foot and other nonsense.
And it's like no, that's nothow this works.
If you have your foot to theinside and you punch the guy
hard enough with your left handthat he trips over your foot,
that shouldn't have gottenpunched that hard.
Like that's just how boxingworks.
(21:25):
It's not like you picked themup and took them down.
But a lot of L takes by peoplewhere they're just saying stupid
stuff like oh, he's not readyfor Canelo and this just goes to
show that Benavides isn't thatstrong.
Why can't you say that Moreljust fought that well?
Like right, benavides foughtbetter and Morel made him look
(21:46):
semi-human.
But also maybe Morel is areally good fighter.
He was absorbing huge punches,he never gave up, he was landing
big shots in return, like itwas just a great fight.
Why can't we just kind ofaccept that there was a
wonderful fight that we got towitness, instead of like
nitpicking it and saying thatsomebody who's really, really
(22:07):
good maybe isn't as good as youthought?
That could be said for everyfighter that we've watched,
where none of them have lookedthat dominant right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You could almost have that in every sport too.
You know, like, yeah, canelo isbig enough that there are
canelo fans that aren'tnecessarily boxing fans, you
know what I mean.
So they'll tune in and justwatch it through the canelo fan
eyes, where you and I have saidbefore like I love boxing way
more than I love any boxer.
So I think that keeps us with alittle better perspective than
(22:38):
some people have.
You know, when you go in andyou're just looking through the
lenses of, oh I love Canelo andCanelo fans don't like this guy,
so I'm not going to like thisguy.
You know what I mean.
That's how I think they goabout it.
It's a shame you get to checkout more stuff if you take those
lenses off.
It was, yeah, overall, just agreat fight.
Well, it was a really, reallygood fight.
(22:59):
I'll say that, like the IsakCruz versus Fierro, that was a
great fight.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
That was an absolute joy.
Benavidez versus Murrell wasreally good, just like every
other.
Oh, this is a grudge match.
They don't like each other.
They're hugging at the end ofit.
Yeah, it's so annoying.
And the afterwards too, whenbenavida's like oh, I actually
thought he would hit harder thanthat.
So, uh, you know I'm shocked bythat, and like the talking shit
afterwards too, I think is dumb.
(23:25):
You know it's like all right,you got your win.
You got your your fake belts.
Just go home with those.
You're the winner.
Take the high road.
Either way.
I'm looking forward to whatthese guys both do next.
That's kind of what I had tosay about this fight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, you know that, with the chirping and the bad
mouthing and then the usualhugging afterwards.
I hate to say this because I'vecoached high school sports for
almost a quarter of a centuryand have always preached
sportsmanship and taking thehigher ground.
But a small part of me kind ofwants to see a boxer take off
the gloves after a fight, not goover and shake the other guy's
(23:59):
hand and flip them off and belike no, I meant that I really
don't like you, I am going tohunt on your family and murder
your children and whatever otherhorrible, stupid things that
they say.
I want them to stand by it justonce, like one time.
Let me believe that it's real,like kayfabe and wrestling is.
When people believe that it'sreal with boxing, I feel like
(24:21):
I'm so cynical about all of itand I'm like none of this stuff
before the fight is real anymoreand just I don't.
We know that.
I want to believe it, fritz.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I want to believe that it's real just one time I
just like when I see every pressconference, I'm like oh,
there's a Rube that's buyingthis.
You know, there is there's aRube out there that's getting
this pay-per-view just becauseof this yelling match that's
going on.
Either way, it was definitelyworth the pay-per-view I'm
looking forward to in a coupleof weeks February 22nd is the
(24:53):
Bevol versus Better Be ofrematch.
Yeah, I'm looking forward tothat.
I think that will be the nexttime that we have an episode to
break that stuff down.
There are a couple of cardsthat I will certainly watch.
Next weekend there's one onESPN, I think.
The following weekend there isas well, so we'll have some
content plus that pay-per-viewBeavol versus Betterbeev.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Now I have a question On that card, betterbeev and
Beavol are.
Daniel Dubois versus JosephParker and Shakur Stevenson
versus Floyd Schofield.
Are those all on the same card?
I think Virgil Ortiz andMadramov.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, I believe so, like it's a stacked night of
boxing and I'm certainly lookingforward to it yeah, it looks
like callum smith and jaleizhang and virgil ortiz jr uh
versus madra madramov might alsobe fighting jalei zhang.
That, oh that would be amazing,though yeah, take all my money
yeah, so we're gonna have plentyto talk about on that one.
(25:50):
Anything that's between now andthen is gonna have to be pretty
good to make it through.
But, like we've done in thepast, people, we will watch all
of it and let you know what wasgood and what you can uh fast
forward through.
So before uh we part ways,franco, I have a trivia question
for you and see whether you'reuh ready to go I am so nervous.
these are so nervous.
(26:11):
These are now David Benavidezoh, monstro is not.
He's undefeated at 30.
And oh, now I've gathered upfour names.
Three of these names, he hasdefeated in the ring.
One of them he has not.
Here we go Kevin Cobbs, albertoGutierrez Diane and Felipe
(26:31):
Romero.
Who did David Benavidez notdefeat?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Let's go, alberto Gutierrez.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He did beat Alberto Gutierrez.
Diane Vecchietto was a failedWhite Sox prospect.
You know what I heard the nameand I'm like that's an athlete.
I remember that, God damn it.
So I'm glad I was able tofinally sneak one by yeah you
got me, I'll have something, uh,you know, ready for the next
(27:01):
episode too, and, uh, I want tothank you for doing all the work
and, uh, you know, getting itout to the people.
I certainly appreciate it.
I want to thank everybody forfor tuning in, for listening,
for subscribing.
If you're listening, whateverplatform you're listening, if
they give you a chance to give areview, leave a review.
I appreciate the people thathave done it.
Yeah, if you don't haveanything else, franco, I'm
(27:21):
throwing in the top Thank youfor listening to Punches and
Punchlines.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Make sure to like, subscribe and follow and we'll
see you next week when we breakdown the best in boxing with a
sense of humor.
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