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Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Paul Amon.
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On this episode, the Road to WrestleMania continues as we ready ourselves for this year's
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elimination chamber with our review review of No Way Out 2009.
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Did you know that there have been 34 elimination chambers up until now?
35 and 36 are about to happen.
There have only been, would you believe it, there have only been two times in history
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that when the winner of the elimination chamber match goes on to face the champion of WrestleMania,
there have only been two times that that winner has been successful in winning the championship at WrestleMania.
And those two times are Bianca Belair in 2022.
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I should go in and face Becky Lynch at WrestleMania and one,
and the other time was the Undertaker in 2008 and he went on to be Edge at WrestleMania.
So that's kind of a crazy statistic.
You'd think that a lot more people that won the elimination chamber would then go on to win the championship,
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but it's only ever happened twice in history.
Hmm, sounds like it's about time for there to be a third.
For that to happen again, yeah.
Yeah, that's not a very good record.
Well, and I guess a lot of the earlier elimination chamber matches were for championships.
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Yeah, and I didn't quite get the number of how many are not for championships,
but I can find out right now one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, about eight.
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There's actually not that many.
You know what I missed?
I wish they would do another tag team elimination chamber match like they did.
Oh, there's been 10.
Yeah, the tactic. Yeah, that was really fun.
I was only thinking about that the other day.
They should definitely do that again.
They had a when Austin Theory was the US champion, they had an elimination chamber match on.
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Yeah, they had the elimination chamber match for the US title.
US title, yeah.
Let's see.
Let's see what else was where was the.
Oh, there was it was the it was the Smackdown tag team championships in 2020.
Yeah.
Oh, this was right in the.
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Oh, wow, this was right before the right before the pandemic like shut everything down.
Yeah, it was in Philly to.
Oh, how did I miss?
How did I miss that?
There was a Raw Women's Championship match.
Yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no, there was it was a it was a raw.
It was a match for a Raw Women's Championship match at WrestleMania 36 that same night.
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Yeah.
Where Shayna Baszler won.
Yeah, and the women had a women's tag team championship one as well the year before.
Oh, wow, you.
Yeah.
Oh, actually, that there's been two male tag team and they did another one in 2015 as well.
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There's been three altogether.
I didn't realize there'd been that many.
Oh my God, I didn't really.
Yeah, that was 10 years ago.
Yeah, two male and one female tag team tag team elimination chamber.
Matt.
Oh my God.
And Ryback Ryback won the IC title.
Yeah, that's the first time it was ever for something that wasn't the.
I see title.
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Yeah.
So there's been three tag team.
We have to go back and watch those two because I know I thought that one of them had happened.
I forgot about the other two.
Yeah.
I completely forgot.
I mean, I didn't even realize that the women's tag team championship was even around in
2019.
I know, right?
I forgot that it I forgot that it's been around that long.
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It's been I mean, it sat around doing a whole bunch of nothing.
Yeah.
For a while.
Well, there you go.
There you go.
Now you know.
Now you know.
Only two that's a that's a that's a pretty low.
And what do you say?
Eight?
There was only eight matches that weren't for titles.
There's been 10 matches that were to face the champion at WrestleMania, but only two
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people have won those matches.
Okay.
So.
So that's a 20% that's a 20% success rate.
Yeah.
It's not looking good.
It's not looking good for the winner of the elimination chamber this year.
But I think.
Yeah, I think they definitely maybe that's maybe it's time for a turn.
Maybe it's time for whomever wins this year's chamber.
That's when you combine the women and the men's matches as well.
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So.
But yeah, it's there's been 10 overall only one woman and one man actually undertaker
and Bianca Bella.
So yeah, so probably so a better so it's a better to better chance for the women less
chance for the men.
Yeah.
Because there's been less women's elimination chamber matches.
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Yeah.
Well, I guess there's nothing else for me to say until you say how's about we talk about
no way out 2009.
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I've got I've got the Wikipedia page up.
I've got a few notes from from when I watched it.
I have I have no notes.
I have no notes.
I completely forgot I watched it.
I watched it like I watched it last week and I and I did not make notes but I but I have
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certainly memories.
Where are we so.
Sorry, yeah, no way out 2009 is this ended up being I think the very yeah, it was the
final no way out held into into 2012 because no way out was then replaced by the elimination
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chamber pay-per-view.
Yeah, after this was yeah, this was because yeah, because when we were when we were rolling
for this last last week, this was like number eight or something.
Yeah, yeah.
They had had they've had several elimination chamber matches before that they used to do
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elimination chamber at at Survivor Series.
Then they moved it, which would have been in November, then they moved it to being like
a deciding factor after the Royal Rumble but up to WrestleMania.
So they moved it to no way out and then again, then they changed the name of no way out to
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the elimination chamber show.
The one in 2009 was actually the penultimate one because the final no way out pay-per-view
was in 2012 and that was in June.
So I don't know what I guess that was a time when they were just randomly placing pay-per-views
wherever they wanted them.
Yeah, they were just re they were reusing.
They kept renaming them constantly.
Yeah.
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Yeah, that was I mean, that was that was an era where we had I'm pretty sure that was
2012 or somewhere in that time period was when we had the worst pay-per-view name of
all time when they had great balls of fire.
Right.
Yeah.
No, that goddamn that was like that was the dumbest.
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Yeah.
Pay-per-view name.
Yeah.
We had like we had we had like we had fatal four way like that that didn't need to be
a pay-per-view.
You could have just had a fatal four way match at a pay-per-view and called it anything else.
I don't know why you had to call it fatal four way.
A capital punishment was another one.
There was over the limit over the limit.
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Yeah.
In 2012.
Let's what else what else was we have bragging rights for a bit.
Yeah.
Bragging rights was a thing.
Yeah.
Man, there was there's been a lot.
Yeah, and it was all around that same era as well.
Yeah.
The 20 yeah 2009 to 2000 or whatever 2010 to 2013.
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Yeah.
Fast lane was another one which I don't know not the worst but I was not the best.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean they were trying they were they were trying new things.
It was it was a it was a weird time.
It was weird time back there.
Yeah.
Stomping grounds roadblock breaking point there were there were just fucking around with names
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at that point.
Yeah.
I mean and if I'm not mistaken some of those some of those have actually returned as NXT
brand.
I think they have.
Yeah.
They have especially roadblock.
They do roadblock every year now.
Yeah.
But I think roadblock is a ways between the Royal Rumble and and Standard the liver because
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standard livers there kind of WrestleMania show.
And I think roadblock is like essentially saying it's the roadblock on the way to to
standard liver basically.
So you know you put the name in the right place.
It makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd have to be you'd have to be there.
You had you had to be there.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah.
No way out since from Seattle Washington in the key arena.
I always like looking at my arena history.
This place.
Wow.
Wow.
Look at the look at the new name of the key arena.
The climate pledge arena.
That's a touchy subject for you guys at the moment.
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What?
Like what does that even what does that even mean?
If climate pledge a brand.
I guess it's got to be climate.
I what it is normally a list of it used to be called the Washington state pavilion.
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And the one Washington state Coliseum because apparently pavilion wasn't good enough.
Literally that got changed in the same year 1962.
Then that was the end.
Yeah.
Then Seattle center called that only lasted two years.
Then it was the Seattle center Coliseum and then the key arena at Seattle center and
now the climate pledge arena.
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And oh the naming rights deal with key corp concluded at the end of 2010.
But the building maintained the key arena name until 2008's enclosure redevelopment.
Amazon bought the name naming rights of the arena and in 2020.
And so Amazon is actually owned by Amazon.
Well the naming rights are and that they called it the climate change or the climate
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pledge arena.
I'm pretty sure Amazon aren't the best at looking after the climate.
Yeah.
I don't.
Yeah.
That so.
All right.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Let me go on from that.
It was the key.
It was the key arena at the time at the time.
February 15 2009.
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So right between the war rumble and WrestleMania 25.
And big time frame.
Well is there to say.
I don't think there is anything sticking out.
We had well there was 11,200.
Oh that's that's right.
11,200.
It's a buy rate of 272,000 which I think is just how many people bought the pay-per-view.
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I don't really know.
I can never really work that shit out.
It's been over a year and a half now.
Yeah.
We've just never.
Yeah.
I mean we've never really.
But it's a number.
None of our listeners have explained it to us and we're not going to look it up.
Yeah.
We don't got time to figure that.
Yeah.
And then yeah it's a Raw Smackdown and ECW event and the poster features Vladimir Koslov.
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Yeah.
That 100% if you told me that that was Karrion Kross in that photo I would believe you.
Like just just because his his Vlad Koslov's actual facial features recognizable features
are hidden by the chains.
Like that looks that looks that looks like Karrion Kross.
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You can barely tell.
Yeah.
You could barely tell.
But just a quick shout out to the 2008 poster for No Way Out which I think is the best ever
poster.
One of the one of the best WWE pay-per-view posters of all time.
The one where Jeff Hardy shackled inside like a underwater elimination chamber.
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That is such a great poster.
Yeah.
We need a top we need a Universal Top 12 of pay-per-view posters.
That would be great.
I'm actually well up for that.
There's so many to choose from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then and we'll just and then we'll just talk about the pay-per-views that they're
attached to.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
How about we got is this page got any.
No you do.
You've got we've got.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Yeah.
We've got some on-screen personnel.
The English commentators Michael Cole and Jerry the King Lawler for Raw.
Jim Ross and Taz on the SmackDown Brad Brad the SmackDown Brad.
Hold on.
Let me just start that over again.
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We've got on-screen personnel and the English commentators.
We've got Michael Cole and Jerry the King Lawler on Raw.
Jim Ross and Taz for SmackDown and Todd Grisham and Matt Stryker as the ECW commentators.
Spanish commentators Carlos Cabrera and Hugo Savinovic.
Interviews by Todd Grisham.
Doing double duty there.
Todd.
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Man.
Ringing Outser is Lillian Garcia for Raw.
Justin Roberts for SmackDown and Tony Chimmo for ECW.
Referees Charles Robinson, Mike Keota, Jack Doan, Marty Elias and Chad Patton.
I've never in my life heard of Marty Elias.
Now I need to let this guy up.
Because.
Yeah.
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I'm not a big fan of the age cell.
Marty Elias.
Referee.
I just need a picture.
Oh, it is who I thought it was.
Oh, he's bold now.
Oh.
No.
Okay.
And he looks like he's still referees somewhere.
What's that saying?
Ah, he ended up refereeing for Lutru Underground.
It looks like after WWE.
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If you saw a picture of him, you'd definitely recognize him.
Okay.
And it's so weird here.
Like this is like in the modern day, like on a PLE, they won't have the both the Raw
and the SmackDown ring announcers.
They'll just have the one.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, totally.
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Yeah, you recognize.
There you go.
But they have, they have three ring announcers, which just seems like complete overkill to
me.
But hey.
Yeah.
I mean, they were really, they were really pushing the, the, the.
The split.
Yeah.
And I guess the only people left here now on the current day on the WWE roster is Michael
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Cole, Lydian Garcia and Charles Robinson.
And I guess Jack Done, right?
No, Jack Done is gone.
No, Jack Done is gone.
Yeah.
No.
Mike Kiotas not, not still there.
He's gone.
Yeah.
God damn.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right here.
2020 Kiotas was the longest tenured referee in WWE history.
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And there you go.
We had a dark match, which was Melina versus Beth, Beth Phoenix for the women's championship.
And there was no time, no time, don't know any details about it.
All we know is Melina was the champion and she beat Pen.
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Pen.
She pinned Phoenix.
She pinned Beth Phoenix and, and retained her championship.
So that's all I know about that because that's all I got right in front of me.
Going straight into the first match, which was for the WWE Championship was Triple H
versus the Undertaker versus Edge.
She was walking in as champion versus Jeff Hardy versus Big Show versus Vladimir Kozlov.
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Yeah.
And then the I had totally forgot about by the way Vladimir Kozlov.
Yeah.
He was another, he was one of those guys.
He was one of those big, brute guys that, you know, some people in the company love,
love guys like that.
And he was, he was, he wasn't there for a long time.
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I mean, Kozlov, how long was he even there?
Let's take, let's, let's take a quick look at Kozlov's WWE career.
He was 2000 and I guess if he was in, he was in, um, I guess it was, it was, it was
he was in, um, OVW from 2006 to 2008.
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And then he was in the WWE until 2011.
So very short run, three years.
Yeah, three years.
Uh, but then I just read that he's been an impact wrestling since 2021 is the, the Russian
language commentator.
Really?
Oh, look at that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, how about that?
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So he was in the appearance of 2021 and then a couple in 2023 where he actually helped
out, he dango in a match.
So yeah, who knew?
Um, oh, interesting.
Well, good, good for him.
Good for him.
Still, still being in the business.
Still doing this thing.
Yeah.
Uh, shout out to, shout out to Oleg Alexandrovich Prudius.
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What a name.
Yeah.
I mean, with a name like that, you kind of got a look like throughout that and because
of that, don't you?
You can't not.
Yeah, you kind of, yeah.
Yeah.
You don't really have much of a choice.
Um, first match, Elimination Chamber.
Um, what'd you think?
Well, I mean, this, yeah, when I was super excited when we, when, when the dice totally
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fell exactly on this event.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Edge coming in, Edge coming into the Elimination Chamber, uh, as champion, I think this was,
he was, uh, deep in his, uh, the gimmick where he and, and Vicky Guerrero were, I guess,
a couple.
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Uh, sort of.
Kind of, sort of, not really, but yeah.
I mean, yeah, they, yeah, they definitely, they definitely were together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In some form.
Uh, there's a lot, a lot of things, a lot of things you kind of want to forget about
some of, some of, yeah.
But, but yeah, we, I mean, we, we saw the, the shocking, the shocking early pinfall by
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Edge getting eliminated, uh, by Jeff Hardy in, in three minutes before, before the second
entrance, even.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think I've got two minutes and I actually says on Wikipedia three minutes,
but I read somewhere else.
It was two minutes, 59 seconds.
And this will go down as, I mean, that's, there's some, there's some, the quickest,
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the quickest, the quickest elimination ever in an elimination chamber match.
And it's the only time ever that it's happened that someone's been eliminated before the
third entries, even into the match.
Yup.
And it happened to the champion in the match, which is amazing.
And the, and probably, and I think probably the first time that the champion entered the
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chamber and lost as the first person.
Yeah.
I think that's probably the, I mean, yeah.
I mean, I'm really surprised if this was the first time as well.
Normally the champion up until this point in 2009, I'd say the champion was always there
to the last two or three, you know?
You, yeah, usually it, that is, uh, so it was, so it was quite shocking.
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Um, yeah.
I'm going to start with the next one.
Totally unexpected, totally unexpected.
And it was brilliant.
I love triple triple H laughing at Edge as, as he was like, as after he'd been pinned was
fucking brilliant.
Oh, it was, yeah.
There was a lot of, I mean, this, this was, this was a, this was a pretty, this was a
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pretty good time.
I mean, uh, overall that you've got, you've got a lot of these guys are still in there
at the height of their, uh, at the, at the height, you know, it was, I guess, it was just,
was just the attitude era still.
Oh hell no.
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This is like tail end, I would even say tail end of the ruthless aggression era.
This is ruthless.
Right.
This is the tail end.
I think you'd say about a year after this, you're any entering what, you know, the PG
era, because I think a year after this, they went PG.
So, oh yeah.
In fact, we're just about, just about starting to, to go into that realm at this point.
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Um, so 2009 is, is a bit of a dead year for me for wrestling.
Because I, I just started to, you know, I went to uni and everything and I kind of had
no good way of watching back then.
So, um, I watched when I could, but yeah.
I mean, Triple H Undertaker, Ed Jeff Hardy, Big Show, like they're all, you know, top
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tier talent.
Just, just, yeah.
I mean, these are, yeah, these are the guys that are keeping it all going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I think are the Hardy, are the, the Hardys are not in the Hall of Fame?
The Hardys aren't, Big Show isn't, uh, obviously Edge Undertaker, uh, Triple H is in as DX,
but he'll be in there by next year, by the WrestleMania, sorry.
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Um, yeah.
Don't think that'll be because of that, but I'll be Hall of Fame, that's unfortunate,
but you know, it is what it is.
Uh, no, everyone can.
I mean, I don't, I don't even, I wouldn't even say that's unfortunate.
That's just how it is.
That's just how it is.
Yeah.
Uh, it's just how it is.
But yeah.
I mean, we had Big Show getting super flexed by the Undertaker.
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Um, yeah, I absolutely love how this didn't collapse the ring, but I guess you could say
the ring was surrounded by an elimination chamber and that's why it didn't collapse.
So I'm going to go with that.
It was, it was, it was reinforced.
Yeah.
Uh, certainly they didn't, they didn't do the ring collapsing bit until later.
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Like that.
No, the first one was 2003.
It was Big Show and Brock Lesnar on Smackdown.
Oh, oh shit.
That happened.
That was 2003.
Yeah.
Jesus.
That was over 20 years ago.
Oh my God.
Yeah, it was.
Anyway, so cause, cause love comes in second.
Yeah.
So it's, it's Hardy versus cause love for, for a bit.
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For a hot second.
Yeah.
For hot second.
Uh, Big Show, Big Show enters third.
And Jeff Hardy then Undertaker is, and then, oh, and then, and, and Triple H is the, is
the last one in.
Dust one in.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
I mean, it, as far as elimination chamber matches go, like it was, it was great because
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the biggest, the biggest thing about the match was that was, of course, that Edge got eliminated
first.
So there was a guaranteed new champion.
Yeah.
Um, and I don't think there was, I don't think there was any problem, you know, with Triple
H being, uh, being the one to win.
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Um, yeah, overall the match, the match was pretty, pretty damn great.
Um, yeah.
So we tripled, we tripled winning the match, like what they were gunning for.
So Randy Orton had just won the Royal Rumble and coming into this pay-per-view, Randy Orton
had just punted Vince McMahon in the head and he'd knocked down and kissed, uh, Stephanie
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as well.
So, um, this is basically Randy Orton's psychopath era.
Um, yeah.
So, like, what they basically, sorry, go ahead.
Oh, no, like, like you said, this, this is sort of the end of the ruthless aggression
into PG where they were still, there was still some, some salacious, uh, questionable storyline.
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Yeah.
Traces go, yeah.
What, you know, why did, I guess it, I guess it was just to show how, how insane Randy
Orton was being.
Um, yeah.
That, well, obviously we'll get into the next match.
Um, but what else do you want?
What else do you want to say about the, about the, this chamber match?
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Oh yeah.
Just so, so, see they were trying to like pitch, get, get Randy Orton and Triple H to go against
each other at WrestleMania.
Obviously with the match we had coming up after this as well.
We had, we'll get into it, but obviously Orton takes out Shane McMahon as well.
So he's kind of make plucking off the McMahons one by one to eventually he gets to the actual
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member of the McMahon family or by marriage, who is the wrestler, which is Triple H. And
uh, I mean real quick, that rivalry was so fucking good.
And then the match itself at WrestleMania was just not great.
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't WrestleMania worthy.
I think it just fell a bit.
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It didn't hit the expectation.
I think people were expecting it to.
And I think a lot of people would really agree with that.
But that is what it is.
I mean, like you said, this, yeah, like you said, this was, this was, it was still a rough,
it was still a rough patch, a rough time.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, but speaking, yeah, speaking of Randy Orton and Shane McMahon, they're no holds
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barred match.
Um, I mean, again, it was, it was, it was, it was great for what it was.
Yeah.
Um, any, any Shane McMahon match is going to be full of Shane McMahon getting brutalized.
Yeah.
Spots and buns.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it looks like he definitely got opened up the hard way by the, uh, uh,
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a, a monitor there by Randy Orton.
Like he, oh God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my, yeah.
From him getting here in the head of that monitor, which is wild.
And yeah, the fact that they used to have those monitors, those things are so huge, so
heavy.
Dude.
Yeah.
They're just, they're just cased in metal.
Like, yeah.
There's nothing there.
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There's nothing forgiving about them.
Now, now, now they're all, now they're all just on iPads.
Yeah.
Just a little LED, tiny little touchscreens, maybe whatever.
But yeah.
Uh, yeah.
And Shane does a massive, like he does a coast to coast on Cody Rhodes, which is quite
funny.
Uh, it's so wild.
That was, that was like 15 years ago, 16 years ago.
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Oh God.
Yeah.
And then there's a lot of roads and Ted D. B. Ossie interfering.
Yeah.
But yeah, there's a coast to coast on Cody and then goes straight up to the corner and
does the flying elbow through the announcers table as well.
So of course.
Wild.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
What else happened in that match?
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Uh, it's just hardcore.
There's a lot of weapons, there's tables, there's shippers, there's Kendo sticks, there's
everything.
Oh, the superplex.
There was that, there was the superplex through the table.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
And then Shane goes for a goes for a punt, which is this turn straight into an RKO, which
was pulled off pretty, pretty smoothly as well.
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Yeah.
I mean, I mean, Orton, Orton is the, no matter what, he's going to hit that RKO and it's
going to, and it's going to look awesome.
Exactly.
RKO for the win.
Um, this, the third match, I mean, I know we're kind of, we're kind of rolling right
through it, but I mean, there isn't, you gotta go watch, you gotta watch it like there's
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to really understand there's, what do you say about it?
What do you say about it?
Um, but the, I forgot, I forgot Jack Swagger was the ECW champion for a time.
Yes he was.
I mean, there's a lot of things that you've heard.
I mean, not many people were ECW champion, but uh.
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Yeah, this, this ECW, let's just take a quick, let's just take a quick sidebar at this, the
WWE, CW.
This went on, what was, when did it, when, how long did this go on from 2006?
2006 to 2010.
Until 2010?
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Yeah.
Wow.
It feels like it wasn't that much.
Yeah, but I guess, yeah, I guess, um, yeah, Rob Van Dam, Rob Van Dam won the title.
Well, he was, he beat Paul Heyman, Paul Heyman, he beat John Cena and obviously they reinstated
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the ECW championship and then a month later, they would, they would bring in the ECW TV,
you know, a brand new branch, a brand new brand, sorry.
Right, so Rob Van Dam, Rob Van Dam was the WWE champion at ECW, at, yeah, he faced Cena
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at one night stand.
And then, so he held both titles for a moment.
For a moment, yeah, not really long though, because he lost, he lost the championship
to the big show, but I think he lost both championships because basically he got the
team, he got him and Sabu got caught smoking pot, they got pulled over and they had to
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get suspended just after he won the championship.
So, oh, right.
This is another, yeah, this was another one of just, you know, so who knows where Rob
Van Dam's career would have gone if he hadn't have fucked up being WWE champion and ECW
champion at the same time.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, that really, that really did not help things.
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Literally, 21 days, he was champion for three weeks and then he fucked it up.
So, yeah, we had a lot of good champion, big show, Bobby Lashley, I think around the
start of this brand, that was probably the good days of that brand, but we had Mr. McMahon
as champ.
That's Dourag, Vince McMahon, which is something.
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Yeah.
Yeah, we had, yeah.
Yeah, Rob Van Dam, big show, Bobby Lashley.
Bobby Lashley was ECW champ, Mr. Dourag, Mr. McMahon, pinned Lashley in a handicap match,
which involved also Shane McMahon and Umaga.
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But then Bobby Lashley won it back and it was vacated because Bobby Lashley got drafted
to Raw.
Interesting.
John Morrison, I know this devolved away from the paper view, but I needed to know who else
held the ECW championship, the WWE CW.
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John Morrison held it for...
Defeated CM Punk.
John Morrison was actually the substitute for Chris Benoit, which is interesting after
he passed.
Yeah, let's start about that the better.
Right, yeah.
Johnny Nitro...
So he won it, it was vacated.
Yeah, Johnny Nitro...
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Oh, my birthday won that actually, June 24th.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
And Bradley's birthday.
Yep.
Yep, 69 days, CM Punk won that and then it was recognized as a champ.
Then it says SmackDown and ECW.
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So I guess it was on both of those shows.
I think it was because Chavo...
Yeah, so no...
Chavo was a member of the SmackDown roster and the type of thing that comes shared between
SmackDown and ECW.
Interesting.
Okay.
Weird.
And then Kane wins it.
Oh yeah, that's when he beat Chavo Guerrero in like...
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Let's find out real quick because I know that match was really, really quick.
That match was...Kane vs. Chavo Guerrero was...
11 seconds.
There you go.
Yeah.
That was an 11 second match.
So Kane was a member of the SmackDown brand at the time.
He won the title.
Thus making the title exclusive to SmackDown.
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The title was returned to ECW then Kane deflected to the ECW brand.
Two days later, the title was exclusive to the Raw brand when Kane was drafted to Raw
on June 23rd.
Oh my God.
This gives Kane the distinction.
He's the only wrestler to carry the championship over three different brands.
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Yeah.
Very, very weird thing.
Why was this so messy?
Jesus Christ.
Well, because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
Yeah, especially with this brand.
They didn't know what the fuck was going on.
Yeah.
Paul Hamer's went out of the picture at this point and he left after less than a year.
So it wasn't really easy.
Mark Henry held it for 70 days.
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Yeah.
And that was on Raw and ECW.
So.
Uh-huh.
So, yeah.
And then finally, and then we had a nice clean run here.
So Matt Hardy won a scramble match.
Oh, this is where, yeah.
Okay.
And then we got Jack Swagger, Christian, Tommy Dreamer, Christian again, and then Ezekiel
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Jackson.
Ezekiel Jackson was the very last ECW champion.
ECW champion for one day, for less than a day because it was retired immediately after
Ezekiel Jackson winning it due to the brand being discontinued.
Exactly.
That is probably the, that is probably the only thing that Ezekiel Jackson is really
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remembered for.
Yeah, that winning the Unicorn L championship and being a member of the core.
So.
He was?
Yep, he was a member of the core.
Oh my God.
Oh, you're right.
I mean, no, but that's not memorable.
But that's the thing.
It's not remembered.
It's not memorable.
You're right.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
There you go.
Well, there you go.
There was a brief overview of the WWE CW champion.
Yeah, yeah.
And we only did whole episodes on title histories, but that was a quick-
Yeah, now back to our regularly scheduled episode of the actual match.
Jack Swagger versus Finley with Horn Swoggle in, and yeah, and obviously since we ran
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down the champions, we know that Finley did not beat Jack Swagger.
Nope.
And I mean, I have nothing to say about this match.
It wasn't great, but Finley is great.
Finley.
It's great to see Finley.
Finley is just a great wrestler.
Finley is just a great wrestler.
Because he lodged to fight.
Everything he does looks so snug and just, he looks, he's just a great wrestler.
Such a fucking great wrestler.
And I believe he is still, what is his current, he's a, yeah, his current trainer and coach
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at the Performance Center.
Yeah.
And also producer.
Yeah.
He was furloughed during the COVID-19 budget cuts, but then returned to work in November.
So yeah, never let, never let, actually let go on like a lot of people during the pandemic.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Well, yeah, because he wasn't a, he wasn't a performer.
He had, he had different roles.
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Yeah.
But yeah, it is good.
It was good seeing, seeing Finley in action.
Yeah.
I, you know, the precursor, did Finley, did Finley and Seamus were, were in WWE active
at the same time?
They, yeah, they were.
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Yeah.
Did Finley and Seamus, did Finley and Seamus ever fight?
Let's really quickly find out.
I don't think it will take that much of it.
We are just going off on all the tangents today because really this, this pay-per-view
was not as great as we wished it would be.
Yeah.
I think that the, the two chamber matches were good, but, uh, yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
You know, um, yeah, it looks like, it looks like we, um, on, no, why did the 23rd of, uh,
November 2009, we had Seamus versus Finley.
Yeah.
We did.
Look at that.
All right.
Well, but it seems like that's the only time it ever happened.
So yeah.
Yeah.
It seems to be, which is the same.
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Is this the same match?
Yeah.
I think that's obviously cause Seamus debuted in 2000, uh, 2009.
So this must have been just after his debut.
Yeah.
They, they put, they, they decided, Hey, you're from Ireland and you're also from Ireland.
And you both should fight each other.
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Cause why not?
Cause why the fuck not?
Yeah.
Why the fuck not?
It was probably a pretty good match.
If anyone remembers Finley versus.
It's like five minutes long, but, uh, yeah.
It's not okay.
So it's not a great match.
It's probably not a great match.
I'm really glad that you are, those days are over.
Like when their matches on raw used to be like five or less minutes, it was just kind
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of like felt what you're trying to squeeze like nine matches into a Monday night raw.
But there's, you might as well just have like four.
And that was when, and that was when raw was only two hours.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Let me, oh, speak, you know what?
Oh, I did it.
I did it.
I opened up the guy, opened up.
I know exactly what you're about to say.
Let me just, let me just get this off my chest.
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You know, because my chest is congested with, with.
Yeah.
So you need to let something off your chest.
I need to get, I need to, I need to get this off my chest.
The internet whining community once again has decided that they're not happy with the
run time of any of raw.
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You can't fucking please these people.
Like I'm hearing, especially after this week, the biggest, the biggest complaint was that
they cut raw being two and a half hours.
It's two and a half hours.
It's been two and a half hours.
Triple H has said it since the beginning that they're, that they're aiming for the two and
a half hour mark.
And what triple H said before they even came to Netflix is like that raw could be 40 minutes
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or four hours if they want it to be.
They can be, it can be as long as they want or short as they want.
But this, but this notion that people, that this idea that everyone has in their heads
that is just completely wrong, this idea that raw could be as long as you want.
Why, why cut it at two and a half hours?
Why cut it?
Why cut it with a cliffhanger?
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Like, so at the end of raw, did you, you've seen raw?
I see.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So, at the end of raw, we had Ray Mysterio versus Logan Paul for the elimination chamber
qualification.
Great match.
Great.
And after the match, Ray Mysterio gets jumped by the new, new day.
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Yeah.
And, and oh my God.
Let me cut you off there.
Let me cut you off there.
Let me cut you off there.
You saw the end of raw and you saw that happen.
What did you do immediately when you saw that happen?
I got excited to find out what happened.
Right.
So, I, and did you, did you watch raw live?
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I did.
I was watching it live.
Cool.
So, I didn't watch it live.
I watched it the next morning, right?
Because obviously time difference is, what did I do as a smart wrestling fan in 2025 who
has a smartphone at their fingertips just like most people who watch professional wrestling?
I went to the internet and I went to the YouTube, the WWE YouTube page and the very last video
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they uploaded from the night before was what happened.
So then I watched the new day beat down Kofi Kingston.
I watched Dragon Lee come out.
You know.
Yeah.
And it's exactly what, what I said, but it is, it is to draw, it is, it is a show.
It is, it is theater and it's a show and it's, and it was meant, the cliffhanger was meant
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to leave you in suspense.
And then to want to find out what happened.
Yeah.
And also, it's for, it's also for the live audiences to get something else that isn't
shown on, on the program.
Yeah.
And it's, it's all about driving traffic to their website and the YouTube page.
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Exactly.
Yeah.
It drives traffic to their other channels.
Yeah.
To their, to other things.
That is the point of it.
And these people just, just, these are the exact, these are the exact same people that
were complaining, you know, two months ago that Raw being three hours is too long.
And now they're complaining that two and a half hours they shouldn't cut it at two hours.
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It could be, why don't they, like, this is what it sounds like.
And God damn, it's just, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
it's one of the things that keeps me off of social media more than anything is because
like, you know, like I said, I get, it, it's just hard to deal with these, with these wrestling
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fans online.
They're not even fans.
They're just, they're just people looking to complain.
Yeah.
It, it, it, it, it gets so.
It's just the same as the people that are complaining about, about Jey Uso winning the Royal Rumble.
But then every time I tune into what he seems to be the first ever wrestler in history to
(44:56):
have his music replayed three times over over the last three television televised events
because the crowd love him so much.
Yeah.
It's just, you gotta, you, you people gotta stop.
It's just like, I've always ignored the IWC.
Yeah.
I, they don't even exist to me at this point.
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It's, yeah.
And I've gotta find, I, you know, I really gotta do better.
I gotta do better at, at, at keeping myself away from it because, because honestly, what,
the problem is, it's, it's, it's making it harder for me to want to, want to engage with
other people online, which is something that we need to be doing.
(45:37):
Yeah.
I need to be doing it from the, and, and, and I'm just engaged.
You know, if you go to threads, follow us on threads or Instagram and Facebook at Punkstalk
Wrestling, YouTube slash Punkstalk Wrestling or our Patreon.com slash Punkstalk Wrestling.
I've got that, that's, this is my goal.
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This is my, this is my 2025 goal to be a better, better person online.
And I've got to work, I've got to find a way to not get sucked into these things, but
it's just, man, it's hard.
And I, and I've, and I've mentioned it to a couple of people online too, that, that
this gets brought up by a lot of people that we follow and that it's just, we're just tired
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of hearing people complaining about dumb bullshit.
Like are you mad?
Are you mad when, when you're, the television show, you're like any other show?
What does this?
Like you end on a cliffhanger to, to find out what happens next.
I just, I don't, I don't understand.
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The biggest problem is I don't understand why these people bother.
Like why are they even, why are they even watching it all?
They've always, the thing is they've always existed and they always will.
And the opinion I'm going to listen to the most on professional wrestling is my own.
And then after that, my friends, when I nice, I have them and I can have a nice friendly
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debate about a storyline or a wrestler that's not nasty.
It's just like, you know, you know, you know, you got to be everybody, everybody in the
IWC, you should follow, you should follow Anthony Porter, my friend Anthony Porter.
He's the positive, like he's a pinnacle of a positive wrestling fan guy.
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He just, whenever he talks about wrestling, all he talks about is what he loves.
He never complains about anything.
That dude is the most positive, like guy there is.
Yeah.
And I think that we preach that too on this podcast.
Like we're here to just celebrate.
Shout out to Anthony Porter.
Let's here to celebrate whatever the fuck we enjoy.
And, and hey, if there's shout out there that people don't enjoy, sorry, shout out there
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that we don't enjoy, that other people do, that's cool with us too.
I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
Anyway, you know what?
You know what I did enjoy?
I enjoyed the, the Shawn Michaels versus Bradshaw All or Nothing match.
I enjoyed the match.
The storyline is so stupid, but the storyline, the story back to veering right quickly back
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into what the, what the story is supposed to be about.
Um, yeah, the, the All or Nothing storyline was, that was a shit story.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
I mean, it was just, I feel like we were like at the Royal Rumble, there was a little,
I did a little research.
There was a little backstage tease between Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker at the Royal
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Rumble.
And I feel like after the Royal Rumble, between the Royal Rumble and like no way out, I feel
like they were like, well, we can't tell the story for this long.
We're going to have like Undertaker in the elimination chamber and stuff.
So we need to have Shawn Michaels do something.
So I think they just like, although I would have just put him in the elimination chamber
and taken out Vladimir Koslov, but whatever.
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Um, uh, yeah, I think they were just trying to find something for him to do.
And I feel like this is, this is the best they could have come up with at the time,
apparently.
I, I think just a good storyline between Shawn Michaels and JBL that was just a storyline.
Like that's a good match.
And it was a great match.
And again, I guess was there, was there had to have been something else going on in like
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2008, 2009?
Was there like, wasn't that, wasn't that when, wasn't that when like the housing crisis,
like, like that?
Well, that 2009 was the recession, right?
And maybe so maybe they were trying, they, they, again, I guess they were trying, you
know, we said it before this was, this was, this was a time when it was things were not
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as great because, because as we know, competition, there was no competition for WWE at the time.
They'd already, they'd already beaten WCW.
So they went into this, they kind of had this little bit of a slump.
Um, and they try, I mean, they tried at least, at least it's a storyline that we've never
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heard this story before.
Like we've never had this, this storyline before where a, where a main event wrestler
was in such financial woes that he needed to become an indentured servant to JBL, the
rich, you know, the rich, uh, market tycoon.
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Um, I mean, and I love, I honestly, I love JBL at this time.
I, I love this character of JBL because, because it was such a departure from the, from his,
uh, um, the APA, um, stuff.
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It was, it was, I don't know.
I, I liked it.
I, he seemed really natural in as, as this, as this arrogant, wealthy Texas heel.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Um, there was some, yeah, I, I, I, I don't know if I actually remember it correctly or
if I'm just meant, but there was some, there was some pretty questionable, uh, sketches
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that they did with JBL at that time period because I know there was a lot of, uh, well,
because that was a, that was a presidential election year.
Yeah.
They did the stuff.
Uh, right at the start of that, that gimmick in round 2004, they did the stuff with Eddie
Guerrero and the Gulf of Mexico and everything like that, trying to stop the immigrants from
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coming over the border and everything.
Um, but hey, you know what?
In a weird way, I, I'm almost okay with, sounds weird.
I'm almost okay with it because it, it was a heel and at the end of the story, Eddie
Guerrero was the one that came out on top of that situation.
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Yeah.
So it, it, yeah, as a total sense.
If at the end of that, that, that story, like JBL won and like, you never saw Eddie
Guerrero ever again, like then it would be like, yeah, that would have been horrible.
It would have been like, this is bullshit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and, and just like with that, with Eddie Guerrero, that the Shawn Michaels did, uh,
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defeat JBL via pinfall.
Um, he did, he won his release.
Uh, I did actually just read as well that, um, on the March 5th, there was a match to
the, uh, I don't know if there was like a tournament or something, but there was some
sort of match match, a set of matches to decide who would face the undertaker at WrestleMania
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and Shawn Michaels defeated Vladimir Koslov on an episode of raw March 5th.
Uh, and actually that would be Vladimir Koslov's first ever singles match to feet.
Oh, yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, he, I, I, what I, what I barely do remember about Koslov was that, yeah, they,
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they build him as a, they build him as a beast.
Um, and he looked like it.
He, he, you know, he was, he, oh, excuse me.
Um, you know, he, they did as much as they could with Koslov.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, and, and we'll see, and we'll see in the, in the, in the next, uh, you know,
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in the next elimination chamber match, we had another guy who they did as much as they
could with them.
Um, but Michaels versus Michaels versus JBL, the match was the, the match itself.
I mean that, it was a great fucking match.
Yeah.
There was no way this is going to be a bad match.
Both of these guys are great in the ring and it was good to see the clothesline from
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hell.
Yeah.
It's always good to see that.
Man, what, and not only that, by the way, like JBL has now been, is now like showing
up everywhere, just clothes lining from hell.
Anyone he wants.
Yeah.
How, most, well, mostly, mostly, um, it's Matt Cardona.
Yeah.
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He's been fucking over Matt Cardona a few times.
I was hoping that because he was on a raw a couple of weeks back, I was hoping that we
would see him, uh, do one there, but he didn't unfortunately, but it was good to see him
anyway.
It was good to see JBL.
Yeah, it really is.
I know, I know he's got, I know he's got a little bit of a, he's got some stink on him.
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Um, if you listen to the, um, something to wrestle the, I don't know why Bruce, I don't
remember why Bruce Prichard has not been on the something to wrestle podcast with, um,
Conrad.
Yeah.
But JBL has taken its place and I really want to, I really do want to, uh, binge some
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of those because I heard him talk about, I know there was some, you know, there was some
issues with, uh, Maro, when Maro Nalo was, uh, announcer, which I really loved Maro
Nalo as an announcer.
I, I thought he was, I thought he was really good and it was sad to that he did not stick
around.
Um, but I know there was some issues.
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So there was some allegations and from what I understand, it was, uh, there was a lot
of things that were just blown out of proportion and it's supposedly JBL and Rinaldo have,
you know, are, are on good terms.
Um, so I'm glad, I'm glad to hear that, but I know that, you know, I know that Maro,
Rinaldo had his own personal issues with things and apparently it was just the environment
(55:49):
was not a good environment for him with, with his, with, with, for him.
Um, and that's, and that's unfortunate because, you know, he, he was really good dude and
he was really good at what he did.
And, you know, I would, I would love, I would love to, to hear him on commentary again someday
if that, if that could ever be a thing.
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Yeah.
Um, but anyway, great match, 13 minutes, 17 seconds.
Sean Michaels is freed from employment and free of debt.
So yeah, Yippee.
Yippee.
Uh, and then he went and then he went to face the Undertaker at WrestleMania.
Yeah.
In one, like, and one of the, one of the best, one of the best WWE matches in of all time,
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period.
So good that they had to do it again the next year.
That's right.
Uh, and next up, we have the main event, which I think is the only time, right?
Is that, that's the only time that they've had.
Well, no, I guess that's not, no, it's not the only time because Cody Rhodes versus
Roman Reigns.
Yeah.
And obviously Undertaker, Undertaker triple H the two years after that as well.
But at the time.
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It was probably the first ever immediate rematch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that I think because obviously rock and Austin had done it three times already,
but they never had it one year after another.
This is probably the first time they did it one year after another.
I think this was the only, this was, and this was probably the only time.
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Maybe I'm just making this up.
I'm just, you know, it might be wrong or not, but to my knowledge, there we go.
I'll use, I'll use, I'll use it.
To my knowledge, this is the only time that they had a, a, a repeat match, a WrestleMania
repeat match, not for any titles.
Uh, that's probably true.
I actually just thought because at WrestleMania 2000, you had, uh, the Dudley's Edge and Christian
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and the Hardys and then WrestleMania 17.
The next year you had the same match.
So that was for the tag team championships.
They were for the tag team titles.
Yeah.
So I'm going to say that was probably the first time there was an instant repeat.
We might need, we might need a, we might need a top 12 WrestleMania repeat matches.
Yeah, that's true.
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If there's a, hey, you know, well, this is, we need, we need to fill up a lot of space
in while when you're on vacation.
So here we go.
Uh, yeah.
Then into the main event, uh, we had, uh, Kofi Kingston, uh, well, no, we didn't.
It was, it was billed as Kofi Kingston, Raymond Steere, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Mike Knox
and Kane, but as we now know, it's Kofi Kingston and was coming down for his entrance.
(58:30):
He gets, he gets, uh, hit from behind from Edge, who then, who then just put himself
in the match.
Yeah.
Smashes Kofi Kingston, uh, does, does it with a wheelchair?
Yeah.
Kind of a Chincon chair style thing.
God.
And it's just like, so good.
I loved it and it's so edge and it makes that makes sense cause it's edge, but in like
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storyline terms, like who made this decision?
Who was this like, whatever, just get on with it.
Who allowed it to happen?
Like, yeah, like there, I, it just, it happened so fast.
And like, yeah.
And like, and like, why was, and like, you end up, obviously, you know, he ends up winning
the championship.
Like, yeah.
There was no like repercussions or, um, no, no, there was, there was no, there was nothing
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at all.
He just, he, he won the match and then became, oh, here we go.
On the same night, on the same night after no way out, Edge revealed that he had entered
the second elimination chamber match with the approval of his kayfabe wife, Smackdown
general manager, Vicki Guerrero.
Ah, there you go.
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Okay.
So wait a second.
He, and then, and then he didn't defend the title and he returned to Smackdown with it
with the raw title.
This is so mad.
It's so messy.
Oh, because I think because triple H at the time was a Smackdown wrestler and he won,
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he won the raw championship, so he went to raw.
Yeah, it's still a bit of a mess.
It's messy.
Anyway, I'm sure it makes sense if you looked into it.
Either way.
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it didn't.
Um, so yeah, we have, uh, this is again another really good match.
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Um, yeah, the match itself was great.
Um, Mike Knox was there.
He was certainly there.
That's another dude.
Like, he's another one of those dudes that, that, you know, for whatever reason, he just,
he was a big, he was a big dude.
He just, but he didn't, but he didn't connect.
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He was just a big, I was just shocked that I, he was still on the active roster in 2009,
let alone in the main event.
Like, I could have sworn that guy was released like two years prior to this, you know.
He was in, he was, he was in WWE CW from 20 to 2006 to 2008.
Yeah.
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So when did he leave WWE?
It must have been 2010.
So yeah.
Yeah.
2010.
Yeah.
He left.
Um, he went to, and then he went to TN, he went, he was in TNA.
Oh, that's right.
He was part of ACS and 8.
Yeah.
I mean, he's not, it's not all bad.
So he did a lot more.
He's the current with, um, with Trevor Murdock.
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He is the current NWA Tag Team Champion, a current.
Right.
That's right.
He is an NWA.
Holy shit.
I, I do remember seeing, seeing that now.
So he's, he's done a lot.
He's, he's done a lot better for himself, I think outside of WWE than he ever did in
WWE.
Oh yeah.
100%.
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It's kind of crazy.
I just, I mean, he had this match.
I mean, he's the main event, you know, all tents and purposes.
He is the main event of a pay-per-view here at No Way Out.
Yeah.
And he, um, he gets drafted to SmackDown in the supplemental draft in April.
Uh, he has his first match on SmackDown in May and, uh, and that was his last ever match.
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Defeating our truth.
Yeah.
Defeating our truth.
And, uh, and then his last win on television was, uh, that was his last win on television.
And then he was released.
Nox lost.
All the 30-
Aside from that.
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for
299 instead of the instead of $5 and like 70 cents from other places it is yeah, yeah
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for
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Is a lot when you when you look at it when you look at it that way
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Do you have do you have a thing you don't have Ollie's in UK?
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Stuff it's it's one of those it's one of those shops that stores that has a little bit of everything. It's great
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For 299 because it doesn't sell for because no one's gonna buy raspberry sorbet icebreaker. I just keep gum for five dollars
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Did you know that there have been 34 elimination chambers up until now?
35 and 36 are about to happen.
There have only been, would you believe it, there have only been two times in history
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that when the winner of the elimination chamber match goes on to face the champion of WrestleMania,
there have only been two times that that winner has been successful in winning the championship at WrestleMania.
And those two times are Bianca Belair in 2022.
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I should go in and face Becky Lynch at WrestleMania and one,
and the other time was the Undertaker in 2008 and he went on to be Edge at WrestleMania.
So that's kind of a crazy statistic.
You'd think that a lot more people that won the elimination chamber would then go on to win the championship,
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but it's only ever happened twice in history.
Hmm, sounds like it's about time for there to be a third.
For that to happen again, yeah.
Yeah, that's not a very good record.
Well, and I guess a lot of the earlier elimination chamber matches were for championships.
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Yeah, and I didn't quite get the number of how many are not for championships,
but I can find out right now one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, about eight.
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There's actually not that many.
You know what I missed?
I wish they would do another tag team elimination chamber match like they did.
Oh, there's been 10.
Yeah, the tactic. Yeah, that was really fun.
I was only thinking about that the other day.
They should definitely do that again.
They had a when Austin Theory was the US champion, they had an elimination chamber match on.
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Yeah, they had the elimination chamber match for the US title.
US title, yeah.
Let's see.
Let's see what else was where was the.
Oh, there was it was the it was the Smackdown tag team championships in 2020.
Yeah.
Oh, this was right in the.
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Oh, wow, this was right before the right before the pandemic like shut everything down.
Yeah, it was in Philly to.
Oh, how did I miss?
How did I miss that?
There was a Raw Women's Championship match.
Yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no, there was it was a it was a raw.
It was a match for a Raw Women's Championship match at WrestleMania 36 that same night.
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Yeah.
Where Shayna Baszler won.
Yeah, and the women had a women's tag team championship one as well the year before.
Oh, wow, you.
Yeah.
Oh, actually, that there's been two male tag team and they did another one in 2015 as well.
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There's been three altogether.
I didn't realize there'd been that many.
Oh my God, I didn't really.
Yeah, that was 10 years ago.
Yeah, two male and one female tag team tag team elimination chamber.
Matt.
Oh my God.
And Ryback Ryback won the IC title.
Yeah, that's the first time it was ever for something that wasn't the.
I see title.
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Yeah.
So there's been three tag team.
We have to go back and watch those two because I know I thought that one of them had happened.
I forgot about the other two.
Yeah.
I completely forgot.
I mean, I didn't even realize that the women's tag team championship was even around in
2019.
I know, right?
I forgot that it I forgot that it's been around that long.
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It's been I mean, it sat around doing a whole bunch of nothing.
Yeah.
For a while.
Well, there you go.
There you go.
Now you know.
Now you know.
Only two that's a that's a that's a pretty low.
And what do you say?
Eight?
There was only eight matches that weren't for titles.
There's been 10 matches that were to face the champion at WrestleMania, but only two
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people have won those matches.
Okay.
So.
So that's a 20% that's a 20% success rate.
Yeah.
It's not looking good.
It's not looking good for the winner of the elimination chamber this year.
But I think.
Yeah, I think they definitely maybe that's maybe it's time for a turn.
Maybe it's time for whomever wins this year's chamber.
That's when you combine the women and the men's matches as well.
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So.
But yeah, it's there's been 10 overall only one woman and one man actually undertaker
and Bianca Bella.
So yeah, so probably so a better so it's a better to better chance for the women less
chance for the men.
Yeah.
Because there's been less women's elimination chamber matches.
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Yeah.
Well, I guess there's nothing else for me to say until you say how's about we talk about
no way out 2009.
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I've got I've got the Wikipedia page up.
I've got a few notes from from when I watched it.
I have I have no notes.
I have no notes.
I completely forgot I watched it.
I watched it like I watched it last week and I and I did not make notes but I but I have
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certainly memories.
Where are we so.
Sorry, yeah, no way out 2009 is this ended up being I think the very yeah, it was the
final no way out held into into 2012 because no way out was then replaced by the elimination
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chamber pay-per-view.
Yeah, after this was yeah, this was because yeah, because when we were when we were rolling
for this last last week, this was like number eight or something.
Yeah, yeah.
They had had they've had several elimination chamber matches before that they used to do
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elimination chamber at at Survivor Series.
Then they moved it, which would have been in November, then they moved it to being like
a deciding factor after the Royal Rumble but up to WrestleMania.
So they moved it to no way out and then again, then they changed the name of no way out to
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the elimination chamber show.
The one in 2009 was actually the penultimate one because the final no way out pay-per-view
was in 2012 and that was in June.
So I don't know what I guess that was a time when they were just randomly placing pay-per-views
wherever they wanted them.
Yeah, they were just re they were reusing.
They kept renaming them constantly.
Yeah.
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Yeah, that was I mean, that was that was an era where we had I'm pretty sure that was
2012 or somewhere in that time period was when we had the worst pay-per-view name of
all time when they had great balls of fire.
Right.
Yeah.
No, that goddamn that was like that was the dumbest.
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Yeah.
Pay-per-view name.
Yeah.
We had like we had we had like we had fatal four way like that that didn't need to be
a pay-per-view.
You could have just had a fatal four way match at a pay-per-view and called it anything else.
I don't know why you had to call it fatal four way.
A capital punishment was another one.
There was over the limit over the limit.
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Yeah.
In 2012.
Let's what else what else was we have bragging rights for a bit.
Yeah.
Bragging rights was a thing.
Yeah.
Man, there was there's been a lot.
Yeah, and it was all around that same era as well.
Yeah.
The 20 yeah 2009 to 2000 or whatever 2010 to 2013.
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Yeah.
Fast lane was another one which I don't know not the worst but I was not the best.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean they were trying they were they were trying new things.
It was it was a it was a weird time.
It was weird time back there.
Yeah.
Stomping grounds roadblock breaking point there were there were just fucking around with names
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at that point.
Yeah.
I mean and if I'm not mistaken some of those some of those have actually returned as NXT
brand.
I think they have.
Yeah.
They have especially roadblock.
They do roadblock every year now.
Yeah.
But I think roadblock is a ways between the Royal Rumble and and Standard the liver because
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standard livers there kind of WrestleMania show.
And I think roadblock is like essentially saying it's the roadblock on the way to to
standard liver basically.
So you know you put the name in the right place.
It makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd have to be you'd have to be there.
You had you had to be there.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah.
No way out since from Seattle Washington in the key arena.
I always like looking at my arena history.
This place.
Wow.
Wow.
Look at the look at the new name of the key arena.
The climate pledge arena.
That's a touchy subject for you guys at the moment.
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What?
Like what does that even what does that even mean?
If climate pledge a brand.
I guess it's got to be climate.
I what it is normally a list of it used to be called the Washington state pavilion.
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And the one Washington state Coliseum because apparently pavilion wasn't good enough.
Literally that got changed in the same year 1962.
Then that was the end.
Yeah.
Then Seattle center called that only lasted two years.
Then it was the Seattle center Coliseum and then the key arena at Seattle center and
now the climate pledge arena.
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And oh the naming rights deal with key corp concluded at the end of 2010.
But the building maintained the key arena name until 2008's enclosure redevelopment.
Amazon bought the name naming rights of the arena and in 2020.
And so Amazon is actually owned by Amazon.
Well the naming rights are and that they called it the climate change or the climate
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pledge arena.
I'm pretty sure Amazon aren't the best at looking after the climate.
Yeah.
I don't.
Yeah.
That so.
All right.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Let me go on from that.
It was the key.
It was the key arena at the time at the time.
February 15 2009.
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So right between the war rumble and WrestleMania 25.
And big time frame.
Well is there to say.
I don't think there is anything sticking out.
We had well there was 11,200.
Oh that's that's right.
11,200.
It's a buy rate of 272,000 which I think is just how many people bought the pay-per-view.
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I don't really know.
I can never really work that shit out.
It's been over a year and a half now.
Yeah.
We've just never.
Yeah.
I mean we've never really.
But it's a number.
None of our listeners have explained it to us and we're not going to look it up.
Yeah.
We don't got time to figure that.
Yeah.
And then yeah it's a Raw Smackdown and ECW event and the poster features Vladimir Koslov.
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Yeah.
That 100% if you told me that that was Karrion Kross in that photo I would believe you.
Like just just because his his Vlad Koslov's actual facial features recognizable features
are hidden by the chains.
Like that looks that looks that looks like Karrion Kross.
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You can barely tell.
Yeah.
You could barely tell.
But just a quick shout out to the 2008 poster for No Way Out which I think is the best ever
poster.
One of the one of the best WWE pay-per-view posters of all time.
The one where Jeff Hardy shackled inside like a underwater elimination chamber.
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That is such a great poster.
Yeah.
We need a top we need a Universal Top 12 of pay-per-view posters.
That would be great.
I'm actually well up for that.
There's so many to choose from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then and we'll just and then we'll just talk about the pay-per-views that they're
attached to.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
How about we got is this page got any.
No you do.
You've got we've got.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Yeah.
We've got some on-screen personnel.
The English commentators Michael Cole and Jerry the King Lawler for Raw.
Jim Ross and Taz on the SmackDown Brad Brad the SmackDown Brad.
Hold on.
Let me just start that over again.
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We've got on-screen personnel and the English commentators.
We've got Michael Cole and Jerry the King Lawler on Raw.
Jim Ross and Taz for SmackDown and Todd Grisham and Matt Stryker as the ECW commentators.
Spanish commentators Carlos Cabrera and Hugo Savinovic.
Interviews by Todd Grisham.
Doing double duty there.
Todd.
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Man.
Ringing Outser is Lillian Garcia for Raw.
Justin Roberts for SmackDown and Tony Chimmo for ECW.
Referees Charles Robinson, Mike Keota, Jack Doan, Marty Elias and Chad Patton.
I've never in my life heard of Marty Elias.
Now I need to let this guy up.
Because.
Yeah.
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I'm not a big fan of the age cell.
Marty Elias.
Referee.
I just need a picture.
Oh, it is who I thought it was.
Oh, he's bold now.
Oh.
No.
Okay.
And he looks like he's still referees somewhere.
What's that saying?
Ah, he ended up refereeing for Lutru Underground.
It looks like after WWE.
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If you saw a picture of him, you'd definitely recognize him.
Okay.
And it's so weird here.
Like this is like in the modern day, like on a PLE, they won't have the both the Raw
and the SmackDown ring announcers.
They'll just have the one.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, totally.
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Yeah, you recognize.
There you go.
But they have, they have three ring announcers, which just seems like complete overkill to
me.
But hey.
Yeah.
I mean, they were really, they were really pushing the, the, the.
The split.
Yeah.
And I guess the only people left here now on the current day on the WWE roster is Michael
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Cole, Lydian Garcia and Charles Robinson.
And I guess Jack Done, right?
No, Jack Done is gone.
No, Jack Done is gone.
Yeah.
No.
Mike Kiotas not, not still there.
He's gone.
Yeah.
God damn.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right here.
2020 Kiotas was the longest tenured referee in WWE history.
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And there you go.
We had a dark match, which was Melina versus Beth, Beth Phoenix for the women's championship.
And there was no time, no time, don't know any details about it.
All we know is Melina was the champion and she beat Pen.
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Pen.
She pinned Phoenix.
She pinned Beth Phoenix and, and retained her championship.
So that's all I know about that because that's all I got right in front of me.
Going straight into the first match, which was for the WWE Championship was Triple H
versus the Undertaker versus Edge.
She was walking in as champion versus Jeff Hardy versus Big Show versus Vladimir Kozlov.
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Yeah.
And then the I had totally forgot about by the way Vladimir Kozlov.
Yeah.
He was another, he was one of those guys.
He was one of those big, brute guys that, you know, some people in the company love,
love guys like that.
And he was, he was, he wasn't there for a long time.
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I mean, Kozlov, how long was he even there?
Let's take, let's, let's take a quick look at Kozlov's WWE career.
He was 2000 and I guess if he was in, he was in, um, I guess it was, it was, it was
he was in, um, OVW from 2006 to 2008.
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And then he was in the WWE until 2011.
So very short run, three years.
Yeah, three years.
Uh, but then I just read that he's been an impact wrestling since 2021 is the, the Russian
language commentator.
Really?
Oh, look at that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, how about that?
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So he was in the appearance of 2021 and then a couple in 2023 where he actually helped
out, he dango in a match.
So yeah, who knew?
Um, oh, interesting.
Well, good, good for him.
Good for him.
Still, still being in the business.
Still doing this thing.
Yeah.
Uh, shout out to, shout out to Oleg Alexandrovich Prudius.
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What a name.
Yeah.
I mean, with a name like that, you kind of got a look like throughout that and because
of that, don't you?
You can't not.
Yeah, you kind of, yeah.
Yeah.
You don't really have much of a choice.
Um, first match, Elimination Chamber.
Um, what'd you think?
Well, I mean, this, yeah, when I was super excited when we, when, when the dice totally
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fell exactly on this event.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Edge coming in, Edge coming into the Elimination Chamber, uh, as champion, I think this was,
he was, uh, deep in his, uh, the gimmick where he and, and Vicky Guerrero were, I guess,
a couple.
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Uh, sort of.
Kind of, sort of, not really, but yeah.
I mean, yeah, they, yeah, they definitely, they definitely were together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In some form.
Uh, there's a lot, a lot of things, a lot of things you kind of want to forget about
some of, some of, yeah.
But, but yeah, we, I mean, we, we saw the, the shocking, the shocking early pinfall by
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Edge getting eliminated, uh, by Jeff Hardy in, in three minutes before, before the second
entrance, even.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think I've got two minutes and I actually says on Wikipedia three minutes,
but I read somewhere else.
It was two minutes, 59 seconds.
And this will go down as, I mean, that's, there's some, there's some, the quickest,
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the quickest, the quickest elimination ever in an elimination chamber match.
And it's the only time ever that it's happened that someone's been eliminated before the
third entries, even into the match.
Yup.
And it happened to the champion in the match, which is amazing.
And the, and probably, and I think probably the first time that the champion entered the
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chamber and lost as the first person.
Yeah.
I think that's probably the, I mean, yeah.
I mean, I'm really surprised if this was the first time as well.
Normally the champion up until this point in 2009, I'd say the champion was always there
to the last two or three, you know?
You, yeah, usually it, that is, uh, so it was, so it was quite shocking.
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Um, yeah.
I'm going to start with the next one.
Totally unexpected, totally unexpected.
And it was brilliant.
I love triple triple H laughing at Edge as, as he was like, as after he'd been pinned was
fucking brilliant.
Oh, it was, yeah.
There was a lot of, I mean, this, this was, this was a, this was a pretty, this was a
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pretty good time.
I mean, uh, overall that you've got, you've got a lot of these guys are still in there
at the height of their, uh, at the, at the height, you know, it was, I guess, it was just,
was just the attitude era still.
Oh hell no.
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This is like tail end, I would even say tail end of the ruthless aggression era.
This is ruthless.
Right.
This is the tail end.
I think you'd say about a year after this, you're any entering what, you know, the PG
era, because I think a year after this, they went PG.
So, oh yeah.
In fact, we're just about, just about starting to, to go into that realm at this point.
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Um, so 2009 is, is a bit of a dead year for me for wrestling.
Because I, I just started to, you know, I went to uni and everything and I kind of had
no good way of watching back then.
So, um, I watched when I could, but yeah.
I mean, Triple H Undertaker, Ed Jeff Hardy, Big Show, like they're all, you know, top
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tier talent.
Just, just, yeah.
I mean, these are, yeah, these are the guys that are keeping it all going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I think are the Hardy, are the, the Hardys are not in the Hall of Fame?
The Hardys aren't, Big Show isn't, uh, obviously Edge Undertaker, uh, Triple H is in as DX,
but he'll be in there by next year, by the WrestleMania, sorry.
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Um, yeah.
Don't think that'll be because of that, but I'll be Hall of Fame, that's unfortunate,
but you know, it is what it is.
Uh, no, everyone can.
I mean, I don't, I don't even, I wouldn't even say that's unfortunate.
That's just how it is.
That's just how it is.
Yeah.
Uh, it's just how it is.
But yeah.
I mean, we had Big Show getting super flexed by the Undertaker.
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Um, yeah, I absolutely love how this didn't collapse the ring, but I guess you could say
the ring was surrounded by an elimination chamber and that's why it didn't collapse.
So I'm going to go with that.
It was, it was, it was reinforced.
Yeah.
Uh, certainly they didn't, they didn't do the ring collapsing bit until later.
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Like that.
No, the first one was 2003.
It was Big Show and Brock Lesnar on Smackdown.
Oh, oh shit.
That happened.
That was 2003.
Yeah.
Jesus.
That was over 20 years ago.
Oh my God.
Yeah, it was.
Anyway, so cause, cause love comes in second.
Yeah.
So it's, it's Hardy versus cause love for, for a bit.
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For a hot second.
Yeah.
For hot second.
Uh, Big Show, Big Show enters third.
And Jeff Hardy then Undertaker is, and then, oh, and then, and, and Triple H is the, is
the last one in.
Dust one in.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
I mean, it, as far as elimination chamber matches go, like it was, it was great because
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the biggest, the biggest thing about the match was that was, of course, that Edge got eliminated
first.
So there was a guaranteed new champion.
Yeah.
Um, and I don't think there was, I don't think there was any problem, you know, with Triple
H being, uh, being the one to win.
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Um, yeah, overall the match, the match was pretty, pretty damn great.
Um, yeah.
So we tripled, we tripled winning the match, like what they were gunning for.
So Randy Orton had just won the Royal Rumble and coming into this pay-per-view, Randy Orton
had just punted Vince McMahon in the head and he'd knocked down and kissed, uh, Stephanie
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as well.
So, um, this is basically Randy Orton's psychopath era.
Um, yeah.
So, like, what they basically, sorry, go ahead.
Oh, no, like, like you said, this, this is sort of the end of the ruthless aggression
into PG where they were still, there was still some, some salacious, uh, questionable storyline.
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Yeah.
Traces go, yeah.
What, you know, why did, I guess it, I guess it was just to show how, how insane Randy
Orton was being.
Um, yeah.
That, well, obviously we'll get into the next match.
Um, but what else do you want?
What else do you want to say about the, about the, this chamber match?
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Oh yeah.
Just so, so, see they were trying to like pitch, get, get Randy Orton and Triple H to go against
each other at WrestleMania.
Obviously with the match we had coming up after this as well.
We had, we'll get into it, but obviously Orton takes out Shane McMahon as well.
So he's kind of make plucking off the McMahons one by one to eventually he gets to the actual
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member of the McMahon family or by marriage, who is the wrestler, which is Triple H. And
uh, I mean real quick, that rivalry was so fucking good.
And then the match itself at WrestleMania was just not great.
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't WrestleMania worthy.
I think it just fell a bit.
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It didn't hit the expectation.
I think people were expecting it to.
And I think a lot of people would really agree with that.
But that is what it is.
I mean, like you said, this, yeah, like you said, this was, this was, it was still a rough,
it was still a rough patch, a rough time.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, but speaking, yeah, speaking of Randy Orton and Shane McMahon, they're no holds
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barred match.
Um, I mean, again, it was, it was, it was, it was great for what it was.
Yeah.
Um, any, any Shane McMahon match is going to be full of Shane McMahon getting brutalized.
Yeah.
Spots and buns.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it looks like he definitely got opened up the hard way by the, uh, uh,
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a, a monitor there by Randy Orton.
Like he, oh God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my, yeah.
From him getting here in the head of that monitor, which is wild.
And yeah, the fact that they used to have those monitors, those things are so huge, so
heavy.
Dude.
Yeah.
They're just, they're just cased in metal.
Like, yeah.
There's nothing there.
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There's nothing forgiving about them.
Now, now, now they're all, now they're all just on iPads.
Yeah.
Just a little LED, tiny little touchscreens, maybe whatever.
But yeah.
Uh, yeah.
And Shane does a massive, like he does a coast to coast on Cody Rhodes, which is quite
funny.
Uh, it's so wild.
That was, that was like 15 years ago, 16 years ago.
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Oh God.
Yeah.
And then there's a lot of roads and Ted D. B. Ossie interfering.
Yeah.
But yeah, there's a coast to coast on Cody and then goes straight up to the corner and
does the flying elbow through the announcers table as well.
So of course.
Wild.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
What else happened in that match?
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Uh, it's just hardcore.
There's a lot of weapons, there's tables, there's shippers, there's Kendo sticks, there's
everything.
Oh, the superplex.
There was that, there was the superplex through the table.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
And then Shane goes for a goes for a punt, which is this turn straight into an RKO, which
was pulled off pretty, pretty smoothly as well.
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Yeah.
I mean, I mean, Orton, Orton is the, no matter what, he's going to hit that RKO and it's
going to, and it's going to look awesome.
Exactly.
RKO for the win.
Um, this, the third match, I mean, I know we're kind of, we're kind of rolling right
through it, but I mean, there isn't, you gotta go watch, you gotta watch it like there's
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to really understand there's, what do you say about it?
What do you say about it?
Um, but the, I forgot, I forgot Jack Swagger was the ECW champion for a time.
Yes he was.
I mean, there's a lot of things that you've heard.
I mean, not many people were ECW champion, but uh.
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Yeah, this, this ECW, let's just take a quick, let's just take a quick sidebar at this, the
WWE, CW.
This went on, what was, when did it, when, how long did this go on from 2006?
2006 to 2010.
Until 2010?
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Yeah.
Wow.
It feels like it wasn't that much.
Yeah, but I guess, yeah, I guess, um, yeah, Rob Van Dam, Rob Van Dam won the title.
Well, he was, he beat Paul Heyman, Paul Heyman, he beat John Cena and obviously they reinstated
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the ECW championship and then a month later, they would, they would bring in the ECW TV,
you know, a brand new branch, a brand new brand, sorry.
Right, so Rob Van Dam, Rob Van Dam was the WWE champion at ECW, at, yeah, he faced Cena
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at one night stand.
And then, so he held both titles for a moment.
For a moment, yeah, not really long though, because he lost, he lost the championship
to the big show, but I think he lost both championships because basically he got the
team, he got him and Sabu got caught smoking pot, they got pulled over and they had to
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get suspended just after he won the championship.
So, oh, right.
This is another, yeah, this was another one of just, you know, so who knows where Rob
Van Dam's career would have gone if he hadn't have fucked up being WWE champion and ECW
champion at the same time.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, that really, that really did not help things.
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Literally, 21 days, he was champion for three weeks and then he fucked it up.
So, yeah, we had a lot of good champion, big show, Bobby Lashley, I think around the
start of this brand, that was probably the good days of that brand, but we had Mr. McMahon
as champ.
That's Dourag, Vince McMahon, which is something.
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Yeah.
Yeah, we had, yeah.
Yeah, Rob Van Dam, big show, Bobby Lashley.
Bobby Lashley was ECW champ, Mr. Dourag, Mr. McMahon, pinned Lashley in a handicap match,
which involved also Shane McMahon and Umaga.
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But then Bobby Lashley won it back and it was vacated because Bobby Lashley got drafted
to Raw.
Interesting.
John Morrison, I know this devolved away from the paper view, but I needed to know who else
held the ECW championship, the WWE CW.
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John Morrison held it for...
Defeated CM Punk.
John Morrison was actually the substitute for Chris Benoit, which is interesting after
he passed.
Yeah, let's start about that the better.
Right, yeah.
Johnny Nitro...
So he won it, it was vacated.
Yeah, Johnny Nitro...
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Oh, my birthday won that actually, June 24th.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
And Bradley's birthday.
Yep.
Yep, 69 days, CM Punk won that and then it was recognized as a champ.
Then it says SmackDown and ECW.
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So I guess it was on both of those shows.
I think it was because Chavo...
Yeah, so no...
Chavo was a member of the SmackDown roster and the type of thing that comes shared between
SmackDown and ECW.
Interesting.
Okay.
Weird.
And then Kane wins it.
Oh yeah, that's when he beat Chavo Guerrero in like...
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Let's find out real quick because I know that match was really, really quick.
That match was...Kane vs. Chavo Guerrero was...
11 seconds.
There you go.
Yeah.
That was an 11 second match.
So Kane was a member of the SmackDown brand at the time.
He won the title.
Thus making the title exclusive to SmackDown.
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The title was returned to ECW then Kane deflected to the ECW brand.
Two days later, the title was exclusive to the Raw brand when Kane was drafted to Raw
on June 23rd.
Oh my God.
This gives Kane the distinction.
He's the only wrestler to carry the championship over three different brands.
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Yeah.
Very, very weird thing.
Why was this so messy?
Jesus Christ.
Well, because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
Yeah, especially with this brand.
They didn't know what the fuck was going on.
Yeah.
Paul Hamer's went out of the picture at this point and he left after less than a year.
So it wasn't really easy.
Mark Henry held it for 70 days.
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Yeah.
And that was on Raw and ECW.
So.
Uh-huh.
So, yeah.
And then finally, and then we had a nice clean run here.
So Matt Hardy won a scramble match.
Oh, this is where, yeah.
Okay.
And then we got Jack Swagger, Christian, Tommy Dreamer, Christian again, and then Ezekiel
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Jackson.
Ezekiel Jackson was the very last ECW champion.
ECW champion for one day, for less than a day because it was retired immediately after
Ezekiel Jackson winning it due to the brand being discontinued.
Exactly.
That is probably the, that is probably the only thing that Ezekiel Jackson is really
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remembered for.
Yeah, that winning the Unicorn L championship and being a member of the core.
So.
He was?
Yep, he was a member of the core.
Oh my God.
Oh, you're right.
I mean, no, but that's not memorable.
But that's the thing.
It's not remembered.
It's not memorable.
You're right.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
There you go.
Well, there you go.
There was a brief overview of the WWE CW champion.
Yeah, yeah.
And we only did whole episodes on title histories, but that was a quick-
Yeah, now back to our regularly scheduled episode of the actual match.
Jack Swagger versus Finley with Horn Swoggle in, and yeah, and obviously since we ran
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down the champions, we know that Finley did not beat Jack Swagger.
Nope.
And I mean, I have nothing to say about this match.
It wasn't great, but Finley is great.
Finley.
It's great to see Finley.
Finley is just a great wrestler.
Finley is just a great wrestler.
Because he lodged to fight.
Everything he does looks so snug and just, he looks, he's just a great wrestler.
Such a fucking great wrestler.
And I believe he is still, what is his current, he's a, yeah, his current trainer and coach
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at the Performance Center.
Yeah.
And also producer.
Yeah.
He was furloughed during the COVID-19 budget cuts, but then returned to work in November.
So yeah, never let, never let, actually let go on like a lot of people during the pandemic.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Well, yeah, because he wasn't a, he wasn't a performer.
He had, he had different roles.
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Yeah.
But yeah, it is good.
It was good seeing, seeing Finley in action.
Yeah.
I, you know, the precursor, did Finley, did Finley and Seamus were, were in WWE active
at the same time?
They, yeah, they were.
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Yeah.
Did Finley and Seamus, did Finley and Seamus ever fight?
Let's really quickly find out.
I don't think it will take that much of it.
We are just going off on all the tangents today because really this, this pay-per-view
was not as great as we wished it would be.
Yeah.
I think that the, the two chamber matches were good, but, uh, yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
You know, um, yeah, it looks like, it looks like we, um, on, no, why did the 23rd of, uh,
November 2009, we had Seamus versus Finley.
Yeah.
We did.
Look at that.
All right.
Well, but it seems like that's the only time it ever happened.
So yeah.
Yeah.
It seems to be, which is the same.
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Is this the same match?
Yeah.
I think that's obviously cause Seamus debuted in 2000, uh, 2009.
So this must have been just after his debut.
Yeah.
They, they put, they, they decided, Hey, you're from Ireland and you're also from Ireland.
And you both should fight each other.
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Cause why not?
Cause why the fuck not?
Yeah.
Why the fuck not?
It was probably a pretty good match.
If anyone remembers Finley versus.
It's like five minutes long, but, uh, yeah.
It's not okay.
So it's not a great match.
It's probably not a great match.
I'm really glad that you are, those days are over.
Like when their matches on raw used to be like five or less minutes, it was just kind
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of like felt what you're trying to squeeze like nine matches into a Monday night raw.
But there's, you might as well just have like four.
And that was when, and that was when raw was only two hours.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Let me, oh, speak, you know what?
Oh, I did it.
I did it.
I opened up the guy, opened up.
I know exactly what you're about to say.
Let me just, let me just get this off my chest.
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You know, because my chest is congested with, with.
Yeah.
So you need to let something off your chest.
I need to get, I need to, I need to get this off my chest.
The internet whining community once again has decided that they're not happy with the
run time of any of raw.
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You can't fucking please these people.
Like I'm hearing, especially after this week, the biggest, the biggest complaint was that
they cut raw being two and a half hours.
It's two and a half hours.
It's been two and a half hours.
Triple H has said it since the beginning that they're, that they're aiming for the two and
a half hour mark.
And what triple H said before they even came to Netflix is like that raw could be 40 minutes
(41:38):
or four hours if they want it to be.
They can be, it can be as long as they want or short as they want.
But this, but this notion that people, that this idea that everyone has in their heads
that is just completely wrong, this idea that raw could be as long as you want.
Why, why cut it at two and a half hours?
Why cut it?
Why cut it with a cliffhanger?
(41:58):
Like, so at the end of raw, did you, you've seen raw?
I see.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So, at the end of raw, we had Ray Mysterio versus Logan Paul for the elimination chamber
qualification.
Great match.
Great.
And after the match, Ray Mysterio gets jumped by the new, new day.
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Yeah.
And, and oh my God.
Let me cut you off there.
Let me cut you off there.
Let me cut you off there.
You saw the end of raw and you saw that happen.
What did you do immediately when you saw that happen?
I got excited to find out what happened.
Right.
So, I, and did you, did you watch raw live?
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I did.
I was watching it live.
Cool.
So, I didn't watch it live.
I watched it the next morning, right?
Because obviously time difference is, what did I do as a smart wrestling fan in 2025 who
has a smartphone at their fingertips just like most people who watch professional wrestling?
I went to the internet and I went to the YouTube, the WWE YouTube page and the very last video
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they uploaded from the night before was what happened.
So then I watched the new day beat down Kofi Kingston.
I watched Dragon Lee come out.
You know.
Yeah.
And it's exactly what, what I said, but it is, it is to draw, it is, it is a show.
It is, it is theater and it's a show and it's, and it was meant, the cliffhanger was meant
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to leave you in suspense.
And then to want to find out what happened.
Yeah.
And also, it's for, it's also for the live audiences to get something else that isn't
shown on, on the program.
Yeah.
And it's, it's all about driving traffic to their website and the YouTube page.
(43:50):
Exactly.
Yeah.
It drives traffic to their other channels.
Yeah.
To their, to other things.
That is the point of it.
And these people just, just, these are the exact, these are the exact same people that
were complaining, you know, two months ago that Raw being three hours is too long.
And now they're complaining that two and a half hours they shouldn't cut it at two hours.
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It could be, why don't they, like, this is what it sounds like.
And God damn, it's just, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
it's one of the things that keeps me off of social media more than anything is because
like, you know, like I said, I get, it, it's just hard to deal with these, with these wrestling
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fans online.
They're not even fans.
They're just, they're just people looking to complain.
Yeah.
It, it, it, it, it gets so.
It's just the same as the people that are complaining about, about Jey Uso winning the Royal Rumble.
But then every time I tune into what he seems to be the first ever wrestler in history to
(44:56):
have his music replayed three times over over the last three television televised events
because the crowd love him so much.
Yeah.
It's just, you gotta, you, you people gotta stop.
It's just like, I've always ignored the IWC.
Yeah.
I, they don't even exist to me at this point.
(45:17):
It's, yeah.
And I've gotta find, I, you know, I really gotta do better.
I gotta do better at, at, at keeping myself away from it because, because honestly, what,
the problem is, it's, it's, it's making it harder for me to want to, want to engage with
other people online, which is something that we need to be doing.
(45:37):
Yeah.
I need to be doing it from the, and, and, and I'm just engaged.
You know, if you go to threads, follow us on threads or Instagram and Facebook at Punkstalk
Wrestling, YouTube slash Punkstalk Wrestling or our Patreon.com slash Punkstalk Wrestling.
I've got that, that's, this is my goal.
(45:58):
This is my, this is my 2025 goal to be a better, better person online.
And I've got to work, I've got to find a way to not get sucked into these things, but
it's just, man, it's hard.
And I, and I've, and I've mentioned it to a couple of people online too, that, that
this gets brought up by a lot of people that we follow and that it's just, we're just tired
(46:24):
of hearing people complaining about dumb bullshit.
Like are you mad?
Are you mad when, when you're, the television show, you're like any other show?
What does this?
Like you end on a cliffhanger to, to find out what happens next.
I just, I don't, I don't understand.
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The biggest problem is I don't understand why these people bother.
Like why are they even, why are they even watching it all?
They've always, the thing is they've always existed and they always will.
And the opinion I'm going to listen to the most on professional wrestling is my own.
And then after that, my friends, when I nice, I have them and I can have a nice friendly
(47:11):
debate about a storyline or a wrestler that's not nasty.
It's just like, you know, you know, you know, you got to be everybody, everybody in the
IWC, you should follow, you should follow Anthony Porter, my friend Anthony Porter.
He's the positive, like he's a pinnacle of a positive wrestling fan guy.
(47:31):
He just, whenever he talks about wrestling, all he talks about is what he loves.
He never complains about anything.
That dude is the most positive, like guy there is.
Yeah.
And I think that we preach that too on this podcast.
Like we're here to just celebrate.
Shout out to Anthony Porter.
Let's here to celebrate whatever the fuck we enjoy.
And, and hey, if there's shout out there that people don't enjoy, sorry, shout out there
(47:56):
that we don't enjoy, that other people do, that's cool with us too.
I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
Anyway, you know what?
You know what I did enjoy?
I enjoyed the, the Shawn Michaels versus Bradshaw All or Nothing match.
I enjoyed the match.
The storyline is so stupid, but the storyline, the story back to veering right quickly back
(48:20):
into what the, what the story is supposed to be about.
Um, yeah, the, the All or Nothing storyline was, that was a shit story.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
I mean, it was just, I feel like we were like at the Royal Rumble, there was a little,
I did a little research.
There was a little backstage tease between Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker at the Royal
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Rumble.
And I feel like after the Royal Rumble, between the Royal Rumble and like no way out, I feel
like they were like, well, we can't tell the story for this long.
We're going to have like Undertaker in the elimination chamber and stuff.
So we need to have Shawn Michaels do something.
So I think they just like, although I would have just put him in the elimination chamber
and taken out Vladimir Koslov, but whatever.
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Um, uh, yeah, I think they were just trying to find something for him to do.
And I feel like this is, this is the best they could have come up with at the time,
apparently.
I, I think just a good storyline between Shawn Michaels and JBL that was just a storyline.
Like that's a good match.
And it was a great match.
And again, I guess was there, was there had to have been something else going on in like
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2008, 2009?
Was there like, wasn't that, wasn't that when, wasn't that when like the housing crisis,
like, like that?
Well, that 2009 was the recession, right?
And maybe so maybe they were trying, they, they, again, I guess they were trying, you
know, we said it before this was, this was, this was a time when it was things were not
(49:49):
as great because, because as we know, competition, there was no competition for WWE at the time.
They'd already, they'd already beaten WCW.
So they went into this, they kind of had this little bit of a slump.
Um, and they try, I mean, they tried at least, at least it's a storyline that we've never
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heard this story before.
Like we've never had this, this storyline before where a, where a main event wrestler
was in such financial woes that he needed to become an indentured servant to JBL, the
rich, you know, the rich, uh, market tycoon.
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Um, I mean, and I love, I honestly, I love JBL at this time.
I, I love this character of JBL because, because it was such a departure from the, from his,
uh, um, the APA, um, stuff.
(50:58):
It was, it was, I don't know.
I, I liked it.
I, he seemed really natural in as, as this, as this arrogant, wealthy Texas heel.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Um, there was some, yeah, I, I, I, I don't know if I actually remember it correctly or
if I'm just meant, but there was some, there was some pretty questionable, uh, sketches
(51:26):
that they did with JBL at that time period because I know there was a lot of, uh, well,
because that was a, that was a presidential election year.
Yeah.
They did the stuff.
Uh, right at the start of that, that gimmick in round 2004, they did the stuff with Eddie
Guerrero and the Gulf of Mexico and everything like that, trying to stop the immigrants from
(51:48):
coming over the border and everything.
Um, but hey, you know what?
In a weird way, I, I'm almost okay with, sounds weird.
I'm almost okay with it because it, it was a heel and at the end of the story, Eddie
Guerrero was the one that came out on top of that situation.
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Yeah.
So it, it, yeah, as a total sense.
If at the end of that, that, that story, like JBL won and like, you never saw Eddie
Guerrero ever again, like then it would be like, yeah, that would have been horrible.
It would have been like, this is bullshit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and, and just like with that, with Eddie Guerrero, that the Shawn Michaels did, uh,
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defeat JBL via pinfall.
Um, he did, he won his release.
Uh, I did actually just read as well that, um, on the March 5th, there was a match to
the, uh, I don't know if there was like a tournament or something, but there was some
sort of match match, a set of matches to decide who would face the undertaker at WrestleMania
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and Shawn Michaels defeated Vladimir Koslov on an episode of raw March 5th.
Uh, and actually that would be Vladimir Koslov's first ever singles match to feet.
Oh, yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, he, I, I, what I, what I barely do remember about Koslov was that, yeah, they,
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they build him as a, they build him as a beast.
Um, and he looked like it.
He, he, you know, he was, he, oh, excuse me.
Um, you know, he, they did as much as they could with Koslov.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, and, and we'll see, and we'll see in the, in the, in the next, uh, you know,
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in the next elimination chamber match, we had another guy who they did as much as they
could with them.
Um, but Michaels versus Michaels versus JBL, the match was the, the match itself.
I mean that, it was a great fucking match.
Yeah.
There was no way this is going to be a bad match.
Both of these guys are great in the ring and it was good to see the clothesline from
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hell.
Yeah.
It's always good to see that.
Man, what, and not only that, by the way, like JBL has now been, is now like showing
up everywhere, just clothes lining from hell.
Anyone he wants.
Yeah.
How, most, well, mostly, mostly, um, it's Matt Cardona.
Yeah.
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He's been fucking over Matt Cardona a few times.
I was hoping that because he was on a raw a couple of weeks back, I was hoping that we
would see him, uh, do one there, but he didn't unfortunately, but it was good to see him
anyway.
It was good to see JBL.
Yeah, it really is.
I know, I know he's got, I know he's got a little bit of a, he's got some stink on him.
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Um, if you listen to the, um, something to wrestle the, I don't know why Bruce, I don't
remember why Bruce Prichard has not been on the something to wrestle podcast with, um,
Conrad.
Yeah.
But JBL has taken its place and I really want to, I really do want to, uh, binge some
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of those because I heard him talk about, I know there was some, you know, there was some
issues with, uh, Maro, when Maro Nalo was, uh, announcer, which I really loved Maro
Nalo as an announcer.
I, I thought he was, I thought he was really good and it was sad to that he did not stick
around.
Um, but I know there was some issues.
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So there was some allegations and from what I understand, it was, uh, there was a lot
of things that were just blown out of proportion and it's supposedly JBL and Rinaldo have,
you know, are, are on good terms.
Um, so I'm glad, I'm glad to hear that, but I know that, you know, I know that Maro,
Rinaldo had his own personal issues with things and apparently it was just the environment
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was not a good environment for him with, with his, with, with, for him.
Um, and that's, and that's unfortunate because, you know, he, he was really good dude and
he was really good at what he did.
And, you know, I would, I would love, I would love to, to hear him on commentary again someday
if that, if that could ever be a thing.
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Yeah.
Um, but anyway, great match, 13 minutes, 17 seconds.
Sean Michaels is freed from employment and free of debt.
So yeah, Yippee.
Yippee.
Uh, and then he went and then he went to face the Undertaker at WrestleMania.
Yeah.
In one, like, and one of the, one of the best, one of the best WWE matches in of all time,
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period.
So good that they had to do it again the next year.
That's right.
Uh, and next up, we have the main event, which I think is the only time, right?
Is that, that's the only time that they've had.
Well, no, I guess that's not, no, it's not the only time because Cody Rhodes versus
Roman Reigns.
Yeah.
And obviously Undertaker, Undertaker triple H the two years after that as well.
But at the time.
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It was probably the first ever immediate rematch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that I think because obviously rock and Austin had done it three times already,
but they never had it one year after another.
This is probably the first time they did it one year after another.
I think this was the only, this was, and this was probably the only time.
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Maybe I'm just making this up.
I'm just, you know, it might be wrong or not, but to my knowledge, there we go.
I'll use, I'll use, I'll use it.
To my knowledge, this is the only time that they had a, a, a repeat match, a WrestleMania
repeat match, not for any titles.
Uh, that's probably true.
I actually just thought because at WrestleMania 2000, you had, uh, the Dudley's Edge and Christian
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and the Hardys and then WrestleMania 17.
The next year you had the same match.
So that was for the tag team championships.
They were for the tag team titles.
Yeah.
So I'm going to say that was probably the first time there was an instant repeat.
We might need, we might need a, we might need a top 12 WrestleMania repeat matches.
Yeah, that's true.
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If there's a, hey, you know, well, this is, we need, we need to fill up a lot of space
in while when you're on vacation.
So here we go.
Uh, yeah.
Then into the main event, uh, we had, uh, Kofi Kingston, uh, well, no, we didn't.
It was, it was billed as Kofi Kingston, Raymond Steere, John Cena, Chris Jericho, Mike Knox
and Kane, but as we now know, it's Kofi Kingston and was coming down for his entrance.
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He gets, he gets, uh, hit from behind from Edge, who then, who then just put himself
in the match.
Yeah.
Smashes Kofi Kingston, uh, does, does it with a wheelchair?
Yeah.
Kind of a Chincon chair style thing.
God.
And it's just like, so good.
I loved it and it's so edge and it makes that makes sense cause it's edge, but in like
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storyline terms, like who made this decision?
Who was this like, whatever, just get on with it.
Who allowed it to happen?
Like, yeah, like there, I, it just, it happened so fast.
And like, yeah.
And like, and like, why was, and like, you end up, obviously, you know, he ends up winning
the championship.
Like, yeah.
There was no like repercussions or, um, no, no, there was, there was no, there was nothing
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at all.
He just, he, he won the match and then became, oh, here we go.
On the same night, on the same night after no way out, Edge revealed that he had entered
the second elimination chamber match with the approval of his kayfabe wife, Smackdown
general manager, Vicki Guerrero.
Ah, there you go.
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Okay.
So wait a second.
He, and then, and then he didn't defend the title and he returned to Smackdown with it
with the raw title.
This is so mad.
It's so messy.
Oh, because I think because triple H at the time was a Smackdown wrestler and he won,
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he won the raw championship, so he went to raw.
Yeah, it's still a bit of a mess.
It's messy.
Anyway, I'm sure it makes sense if you looked into it.
Either way.
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it didn't.
Um, so yeah, we have, uh, this is again another really good match.
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Um, yeah, the match itself was great.
Um, Mike Knox was there.
He was certainly there.
That's another dude.
Like, he's another one of those dudes that, that, you know, for whatever reason, he just,
he was a big, he was a big dude.
He just, but he didn't, but he didn't connect.
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He was just a big, I was just shocked that I, he was still on the active roster in 2009,
let alone in the main event.
Like, I could have sworn that guy was released like two years prior to this, you know.
He was in, he was, he was in WWE CW from 20 to 2006 to 2008.
Yeah.
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So when did he leave WWE?
It must have been 2010.
So yeah.
Yeah.
2010.
Yeah.
He left.
Um, he went to, and then he went to TN, he went, he was in TNA.
Oh, that's right.
He was part of ACS and 8.
Yeah.
I mean, he's not, it's not all bad.
So he did a lot more.
He's the current with, um, with Trevor Murdock.
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He is the current NWA Tag Team Champion, a current.
Right.
That's right.
He is an NWA.
Holy shit.
I, I do remember seeing, seeing that now.
So he's, he's done a lot.
He's, he's done a lot better for himself, I think outside of WWE than he ever did in
WWE.
Oh yeah.
100%.
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It's kind of crazy.
I just, I mean, he had this match.
I mean, he's the main event, you know, all tents and purposes.
He is the main event of a pay-per-view here at No Way Out.
Yeah.
And he, um, he gets drafted to SmackDown in the supplemental draft in April.
Uh, he has his first match on SmackDown in May and, uh, and that was his last ever match.
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Defeating our truth.
Yeah.
Defeating our truth.
And, uh, and then his last win on television was, uh, that was his last win on television.
And then he was released.
Nox lost.
All the 30-
Aside from that.
Yeah.
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I think that's it
That's it
That's that was it. Yeah, okay
We're done. Okay
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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You you gone
No, I'm still chewing my icebreakers ice cube raspberry sorbet gum
Yeah, this is a wild this is a wild flavor raspberry sorbet the kind you get at a secondhand store like Ollie's
for
299 instead of the instead of $5 and like 70 cents from other places it is yeah, yeah
(01:35:08):
Icebreakers ice cubes gum is pretty expensive
It's like yeah, it's like five bucks
for
For for a little pack of these how many servings serving size one piece servings 40 so for so 40 pieces of gum
for five dollars
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That's I mean
That is a lot of pieces of gum to 40 pieces of gum are
Is a lot when you when you look at it when you look at it that way
It's 12 12.5 cents at every
Yeah
Okay, every guy okay, it's well
12 and a half 12 and a half pennies per
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poor per piece I
Don't know. I mean, maybe that's I don't know that might not that might not be actually that bad
But it's better when you buy it at Ollie's for 299
Then then for then for like five dollars, but also, you know, they got they got these crazy flavors
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There we also picked up a
What's the other one bubble breeze is the other is the other pack that I got from Ollie's last night
Do you have do you have a thing you don't have Ollie's in UK?
No, but you have but you have stores like Ollie's like they they they get like
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You know that not Nate not always name brand things yeah, I mean
Little and Aldi would be our ones. Yeah, we've got we've got both of those. Yeah
But this is like, you know, you get like off brand thing, you know, their tools section has like oh, yeah, you know
Stuff it's it's one of those it's one of those shops that stores that has a little bit of everything. It's great
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That's but all of the things is like yeah, it's not like new stuff. It's like it's like the stuff that didn't really sell or yeah
We're gonna we're gonna sell it for less. That's why you have that's why you have raspberry sorbet
For 299 because it doesn't sell for because no one's gonna buy raspberry sorbet icebreaker. I just keep gum for five dollars
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That's a horrible plug for
Yeah, yeah, it's not you're really plugging them. We're not gonna we're not gonna get a sponsorship by telling them by telling people
No one will pay full price, but I mean this is the world we live in right now
Anyway, I think now we're done now we're done. Bye
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