NXT Vengeance Day 2025 - EP70 - Punks Talk Wrestling

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All right, so let me just get to the...

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It's interesting.
You ready with your...
Did you know?
Uh, no, but I just wing it.
I've got it.
Don't you worry.
Oh, all right.
Oh, you know what?
Wait a second.
I'm gonna pause.
I need to...
I didn't actually get any ice breakers, ice cubes, gum.

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I wanna make sure my mouth is...
Properly...
I don't wanna just say wet, but like...
Lube.
Salivate it.
Yeah, I don't wanna say that either.
Properly primed.
Prime not a sponsor.

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Not a sponsor, no.
Prime is not a sponsor of punk stock racing.
Not yet.
I mean, we'd certainly...
Not yet.
I mean, I would 100% accept a prime sponsorship.
We accept all...
I mean, we're not gonna accept all sponsorships,
but we are currently accepting sponsorships.
If you wanna sponsor punk stock wrestling,
in a capacity, we'll take it and put it towards the podcast.

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Fuck yeah.
If you just give us free stuff,
we'll sponsor the free stuff you give us.
Really.
I mean, that's better.
Sometimes free stuff is better than money,
because I'd be buying the stuff with the money anyway.
Where are you gonna put this in the pod?
Oh, probably at the end.
Or maybe we might need a stinger at the intro.

(01:31):
Yeah, that's a really fun...
Let everybody know straight up,
we're fishing for free stuff.
All right, here we go.
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Paul Heyman.
And as your wise man, I'm here to bestow upon you the wisdom
that you're listening to Punk's Talk Wrestling.
Punk to the date, folks.

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Welcome to Punk's Talk Wrestling.
On this episode, we talk about the fallout, the future,
and everything that's happened at NXT Vengeance Day 2025.

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I am R.W. Helborn, the PA Rock Prince,
hailing quote unquote from Philly.
And I am one half of the crowd,
which is one half of your Punk's Talk Wrestling
inter-universal tag team podcast,

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Jaby and Oz of the world.
Now, then and forever by my side, 3500 miles away
in London, England.
He is my tag team podcast partner.

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He is the other half of the crowd,
which is the other half of your Punk's Talk Wrestling
inter-universal tag team podcast.
Jaby and Oz of the world.
Mr. Didgeridoo, Sir King of Reels, The proper prick,

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CJ Newman.
Did you know that last year of 2024,

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Cody Rhodes had more matches in the WWE
than any other superstar in the company?
Kind of goes without saying, he's
the WWE champion for most of that time.
And well, unless you're Roman Reigns or Brock Lesnar,
if you're normally a WWE champion,
you're probably working more than anyone else.
And last year, he had 101 matches.

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Have a quick guess of how many matches
he lost out of those 101 last year.
Does including tag team matches?
Yeah, including any match at all.
One.
No.
17.
Oh, Jesus, no.

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43.
No, three.
He lost three matches.
Oh, man, I was going to guess.
I was going to get there eventually.
I'll be going through his entire record
for ages of 101 matches.
Not going to look at what they were.
But yeah, he lost only three matches last year.
Do you know who they were, too?

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No, I just said I'd have to take ages to go back and look.
But I've got the records here.
I'll get back to you next week on that one.
How about that?
Or we could just ask Danny the Brain which one's that?
I'm sure he could tell us in.
You don't have to even look it up.
He could probably tell us in under three seconds.
Yeah, but yeah, I would like to see

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if he could figure out the three matches.
He's going to message us immediately
after listening to this episode.
He'd be like, yeah, man, it's this one, it's this one,
it's this one from this and that.
These three events, yeah.
Yeah, he knows.
He knows for sure, yeah.

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Like Cody Rhodes.
Like Cody Rhodes, Danny the Brain
is an encyclopedia of professional wrestling knowledge.
I might be able to figure out right now.
I mean, we certainly could.
I'm going to ask Chad GPT and see.
Hi, CG.
Hi, CG.
Ah, Money in the Bank, July 1, 2024,

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and a six-man tag team match Rhodes teams with Randy Orton
and Kevin Owens against the Bloodline.
Match concluded with Sola Sikoa pinning Rhodes
after the Samoan spike.
Bashan Berlin.
Yeah.
2024, Rhodes defended his undisputed WWE championship
against Kevin Owens.
The spike battling through knee pains Rhodes successfully
won the championship.
No, that's not how he lot.
OK, see Chad GPT is wrong.

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So I do know that he lost to.
That's only one of them.
OK.
He lost to Drew McIntyre on Raw in February last year.
But I can't find, yeah, and he lost that tag match,
but I can't find the third loss here anywhere.

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No, Chad GPT, you're wrong again.
He was not in.
He Rhodes didn't.
Cody Rhodes did not participate in this year's Royal Rumble.
And the final four did not include the final four were not
Sam Punk, Drew McIntyre, Gunther, and Jey Uso.
Man, Chad GPT.
Ah, the blood.
Oh, of course.
Roman Reigns and it's so it's the three matches.

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Our Drew McIntyre defeated Cody Rhodes on an episode
of Raw in February.
Then we had Roman Reigns and the Rock defeated Cody Rhodes
and Seth Rollins and like one of us.
Oh, right.
And then the money in the bank.
And and then we got the one at the money in the bank,
Jacob and solo.
Yeah, there's your three matches.
There it is.

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Boom.
All right, we'll see.
We'll see if we'll see if Danny the Brain can find it.
Could figure that out and message me before we get to this part,
before he gets to this part of the podcast, where we've already
figured it out. Also, also, this is just a reminder.
Chad GPT is not always right.
You've got to always got it.

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You've always got to check.
You've always got to and and things
on and other things on the internet aren't always right either.
So when so that's another thing to take in consideration.
Chad GPT is only using information
that it can find from the internet and things
on the internet always right.
And it's not always right.
Just just don't believe anything you

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don't see with your own eyes.
It's really it's really right.
Do your own research.
Fact check yourself.
Yeah, and not and not the do your advice.
Not to do your own research where you think you're doing research,
but really you're just listening to some whack job.
You know, who doesn't have any credibility.
Like, yeah, a couple of punks that talk about wrestling every week.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely do listen to us,
but don't always believe us.
Yeah, don't believe everything we have to say.
Yeah, yeah, certainly.
Certainly don't believe anything that that 2024
R.W. said about CM Punk.
Don't believe anything.
And don't believe anything that you may have heard in the past by someone.

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2023. No, that'd be 2023.
Was that 2023?
Has it been a year?
Yeah, he came.
Has it been a whole year?
He came back and he came back to the Viva Series 23.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, wow, we've been doing this podcast for almost two years now.
Almost two years now.
This is episode 70 as well.

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And the fact that we did episode 69 last week
and neither of us made reference to it is actually a shame.
So I mean, we're, you know, we're adults.
OK.
But also, I mean, it was nice.
Not nice.
I did.
I think I did mention it on threads when I shared the link.
I think I did.

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You did actually.
I saw.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So on the new Mac that I got, I also have I had Logic Pro installed.
Oh, OK.
Yeah.
Which I didn't realize is just like essentially garage band is logic light
is from what I've is from.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Garage band is is yeah.
It's the dumbed down version of logic.
Garage band.
Yes.
Garage.
Garage band.
You almost you almost said it American and you did.
Yeah.
Because you said it like three times and I stopped myself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Little by little.
I'm going to I'm going to one day one day it's going to finally seep in.

(10:14):
You're chipping away at my accent.
Yeah.
You know, just like just like Karrion Krossen, the long play.
I'm going to slowly chip chip away at your British at your British.
I mean, I've been watching wrestling for, I mean,
30 years.
So I I hear the American accent so much.

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So you'd think it would have impacted you by now.
But I mean, you also the the other, you know, 20 living in the UK.
Yeah.
The other the other rest of your entire life.
Daily.
Yeah.
Actions with real people.
You know, it's funny.
You know what?
You know what's funny, though?
Now that it now they think about it, when you read people's comments

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online, do you read them with your own like British accent?
Or do you read?
Yeah, I think I read everything in my own in my own.
I don't know.
When I read, I think I just read in my own accent.
The only time I I don't I don't do that.
I don't the only thing I ever do is when I read, if I'm reading an article

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and it says like it's an interview with someone and they're like Randy Orton said,
I will, my brain will automatically tend to slightly hear the quote in a
Randy Orton voice.
Yeah, that makes I mean, that makes sense.
Yeah, because you know what Randy Orton's voice sounds like.
Sounds like I don't know.
I don't know why that just popped into my head, but I was just, you know,

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I don't know that a question.
Yeah, that a question.
And you know, maybe if this makes it into the somehow makes it into
relevancy in the podcast, we'll ask our we'll ask our listeners.
If when you read quotes online, do you read it in your own voice?
Or do you read it in a voice that you know the person?
Or do you read it in some other made up voice in your head?

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Just just because that's a good, you know, that could be a good question.
That's a valid question.
It's a valid question.
Man, I don't know where.
Oh, hold on.
I did need to grab one more thing.
I'll be right back once just one second.
Keep it keep it rolling.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Very, very high.
I'm back.
Very important.
So just so you're aware, I click something on my computer and I stop recording,
but it is right as you went away.
So that that kind of helps again.
Now it happened to the most convenient moment, to be honest.
Well, are you are you back recording again?
Yeah, I'm back.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
I needed I needed to get something extremely important.
And I think you might know what ice breakers ice breakers gum.
No, I have the ice breakers ice cubes gum.
I still have my raspberry sorbet and and and bubble breeze.
No.

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That's what I needed.
What's that?
It's a generic Eric Lyme seltzer from Giant.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course.
I've just got what else?
A big one liter.
I just got water still just one.
But you have water again.

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I have one.
Yeah.
And the update from last week.
But by God, like it it took.
I mean, we must have been without water for.
Like four days, five days.
For real?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because there was a problem.
Yeah, there was.
Well, no, it took them it took them ages to fix the problem.

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And then while they were fixing that, there was a series of other problems in other places
around the area.
So it just kept causing the problem to go on for longer and longer.
So like we went over to Heather's parents house and like gathered as much water as we
could to bring home and had a shower.

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And then that kind of lasted us for like the next few days.
It came on like one time for a bit and it was like the lowest water pressure you've
ever seen.
I hate that.
But now we're back in business.
I hate when you have no water pressure.
But now no, now I just we just have water again and I had to I just I mean, I don't have my
my water is not sponsored by anyone.
It's just out the tap and it's it's in a.

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It's sponsored by it's sponsored by the the the British Water Company London.
Thameswater actually.
It's what they call from directly from the river.
Yeah, we've talked about this before.
We probably have on.
No, no, it's not.
We have definitely spoken about this before and you asked exactly the same question.
In fact, I was speaking.
I was speaking to Heather about this in the car the other day and I said I remember when

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I brought up 10s war before to you and you were like to come from the Thames.
It's like, no, it doesn't come from the fucking Thames.
Well, then why do they call it that?
Like.
Because I don't know because the Thames is the river that runs through London.
So they just called it Thameswater.
Where does the water come from then?
Um, I don't really know.

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But I do what I do know is that essentially it's just it's just recycled over and over
again.
How do you spell 10?
It's just piss and shit that's been filtered essentially.
Is it T M M E S.
T a T H a M E S.
H a yeah.
Same.
Oh, they say.

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Okay.
The Thames.
Yes.
The river Thames.
That's the river Thames.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So let's uh, this is thrilling, compelling, uh, compelling podcast.
It's definitely what people tune into a wrestling podcast for.
Yeah.
Where the Thames water UK's largest water and wastewater dot dot dot.

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They take care of 16 million people enabling our customers, communities and environment
to thrive.
I mean, yeah, if you're, if you're supplying water to people, then you're literally, you
know, one of the things that keeps people alive.
Uh, where do, but here's the, but the real question is where do they get their water?

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I don't know.
This is a long, I mean, Thameswater goes back a long time.
Uh, from 1889, 100 years.
Uh, uh, here it is.
Well, I mean, AI, the AI overview says Thameswater gets its water from the river Thames, the

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river Lee, aquifers and a desalination plant.
All right.
Well, I guess the way I'm looking at it, because everyone thinks that 10, the Thames
goes just through London, but it goes through like Reading and Kent and like, it goes way
out.
In fact, it nearly, it nearly goes all the way through the country.

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It just about stops shy of like near where Wales is.
So, uh, it's a really fucking long river.
So I guess out in those regions out way out West, it's, uh, regionally, it's going to
be a cleaner out there.
It's going to be a lot cleaner out there.
The river Thames in London is, is a fucking cesspool soup of, it's, yeah, it's probably

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very much like the Skookle River here.
Um, I don't know.
Like for real, like this isn't even an exaggeration.
Like when we had the plague in London, they were literally dropping dead bodies into the
river to dispose of.
All right.
That as you, as you, you know, as they seldom did back in the days when they didn't know
what the fuck they were doing.

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Um, yeah.
So that, that's the towel.
So it's just, so yeah.
So it just has, it has, now did they ever go and like, you know, get all those bodies
out or are they still just sort of like, oh shit.
No, the Thames is probably like, I, it's the Thames is, I think they don't, you don't retrieve
things from the 10.
You can't see into the Thames.

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I don't even know how you would even, you would need like so in our technology to like,
uh, you know, to like see what was on the bottom.
It really, it really sounds like the Skookle here.
I, you know, like the, the Skookle is just a fucking garbage dump of a river that goes
from, you know, from, uh, I mean, it starts up in Skookle Haven, PA, which is like middle

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of the middle of the state ish.
But it goes, it goes all the way down to Philly and it's, yeah, it just gets worse and worse,
especially, you know, past the Limerick power plant.
Um, yeah, it,
Oh, that's what he's going to, it's just, it's, it's freaking disgusting.
Um, yeah.
So hey, I mean, another, another odd, I guess it's just another parallel between, between

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Philly and London and, and London.
We have, we have, we have a garbage river that rolls into the city.
Yeah.
I think a lot, I think a lot of it, I mean, like, you'd probably say, like, what city has
a clean river?
I mean, that's exactly because that's what happens is for, for years and years, people

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just don't see it's where the waste and yeah, it should be just dumb shit in the river because
that was the idea was, oh, well, I'm going to dump it in the river and it'll just go
away.
Yeah.
Like, and there's still people in 2025 who that's probably, that's about their level
of thinking.
Yeah.
It's like, I can't see it anymore.

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Therefore, it's not a problem.
It's just not a problem for me.
Yeah.
Anyway, wow, what a, what a great way, what a great way to start off this week's podcast.
This is, this is definitely, I mean, honestly, yeah, this is perfect little Patreon, perfect
little Patreon point.
Yeah.

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A PPP.
I even know if it's Patreon, I think this is just premium content.
I mean, you know what?
Yeah.
I mean, this is, you know, it probably should just give this, we should give this to the
people.
They deserve.
I'll tell you what.
I guess it just comes down to the guy that edits it and decides whether the episode is
long enough or short enough.
Yeah.
Well, how's about we talk about vengeance day, NXT Vagence Day 2025.

(20:40):
Yeah.
I mean, fuck it.
We're here now and we're already on, I've already on the Instagram page.
Let's, let's, let's talk about the, yeah, I can edit this.
Yeah.
You can, that's the, you have the power right there.
I do.
I've got the touch.
You got the touch.

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Who did that song?
I forget, but it was in the trance.
It was in the original like 80s Transformers movie.
Yes.
I got the power.
I got the touch.
I got the power.
Stan Bush.
What is that?
Stan who the fuck is he?
There's a picture of him right there.
Yeah.
Stan Bush.

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Oh, it's 1986.
Is it possibly can get, but yeah, that was, I think that was one of those guys that like
that was his, I think that was basically his one.
That was pretty much his thing.
But hey, Stan, Stan Bush.
The test of time.
Yeah.
He's set in Stan Bush is 71 years old.
Yeah.
He is best known for the touch featured in the 1986 movie, the Transformers, the movie.

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There we go.
Anyway, back to the, we are, it's, we're so good at doing that.
Yeah.
Earlier this week, posted a little reel here, I did on our Instagram about, well, we've
been, we've been singing and carrying across his praises now for a long time to be honest
with you.
We have.

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And I'm not going to say we're the first, but I definitely, I feel like we were one of
the earliest people to start talking about how he was like, you know, controlling everything.
It feels like anyway.
I will say what we are the only podcast that ever talks about is the fact that I actually
loved when he came out in that, in that welding mask thing for like a month.

(22:25):
Yeah.
Even if carrying across hate to that himself.
You love it.
I mean, he might have, you know, it would be nice to, you know, maybe, maybe someday
we'll talk to him about it and ask like how he really felt about it.
I think he's already done it.
He did.
It was on Chris Van Veet's podcast.
He hated it.
Yeah.
But maybe one day we'll talk to him and ask him about it.

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And perhaps, perhaps I can subtly over time change his mind and change his mind and to
bit seem that it was a great, great idea.
Yeah.
I mean, no, I don't think it was great.
Let's, let's make sure.
I don't, I don't know that I don't really think it was great.
What I, but what I personally love is when I see a wrestler drastically change something

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about them.
Like it was a, you know, it was.
It was universally hated by anyone that liked him at the time.
And I get it because that's, you know, change is difficult.
It is.
It is difficult.
Anyway, we just, anyway, we posted a reel posted a reel of, you know, talking about the

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carrying cross controlling everyone's narrative, which is something we've spoken about for
for ages now here on this podcast.
And I mean, geez, like it is crazy.
I mean, we're always posting reels and I'm always, I always tag whoever's in the reel,
whoever I'm posting about it just makes sense to do so.
But of course, carrying cross was generous enough to damn he reposted on his story.

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He accepted the invitation to collaborate.
That's right.
So it's on his feed and he followed the podcast.
So we can say that carrying cross is a friend of the podcast now.
I'm a happily, I will say that.
Yeah.
I mean, we can, we open our arms as, as, as friends to anyone.
Yeah.
And he, and he embraced.

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So yeah, he does.
Yeah.
We recognize the greatness and in kind, you know, he's shown grace himself and he's
graced us with, oh, he's graced us with helping reach over 50,000 views in what, two days?
Two or three days.
Yeah.
Help, help us go over the 400 mark for, hell, we went up for about 15 followers over the

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last few days as well, which is great.
So we're at four at four now, which is amazing.
Yeah.
Which, you know, which is, I think I mentioned it, we did mention it.
I was going to mention it.
We are, we're all trying to get to that.
Our first milestone, you know, we haven't, we haven't pushed it much.
We, we're, we don't market, you know, ourselves.

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We just post the things we post and see what happens.
But you know, there's a, there's a 500 follower milestone that everyone likes to reach.
And you know, I think that's the next, that's the next thing we should, we should get to.
And yeah, to do that, we just need people that are already following us to, you know,
tell your other wrestling friends, here's a podcast that's you may enjoy.

(25:29):
Or I mean, it's not even about listening to the podcast.
It's really just about following us on Instagram at punkstalk wrestling.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, thank, you know, thanks to everybody that started following.
Thanks to everyone that, that's, that has tuned in and listening.
Once again, thank you, Karrion Cross.
You have, it's now the, it's now the fifth highest real that we've, that, that you, Sir

(25:55):
King of Reels has created.
I bestowed upon you.
Yeah.
I mean, that Kevin Owens reel from like last week is, is completely smashed it.
I didn't expect that reel to do as good as it did, but yeah.
The KO, the KO one got, and, and this is now back to back.
Like these are, these are pretty like usually we've had, you know, we had the, the band

(26:16):
moves reel that, that, um, what that got.
That got like 80,000.
I think we got close to a, or no, that got, that got a massive amount.
And now that I messed up our pins, I don't know where it went.
We've got to scroll back to it.
Um, anyhow, that was, uh, anyhow, yeah.

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Welcome new listeners.
Welcome new followers.
Uh, we hope you enjoy the stuff we're doing.
And if you don't enjoy it, you can stop listening and stop following us.
That's cool too.
But that's cool with us too.
But actually, no, no, it's not cool.
No, we want to keep the following.
Even if you don't like it, just keep following.
You can hate follow us.

(27:00):
It's fine.
Um, you know, um, anyhow, anyhow, yeah.
Um, stand, let's go back.
Stand bush.
We'll backtrack it.
Uh, you've got the touch.
The transform is the movie.

(27:21):
Uh, that's okay, where are we at?
Uh, vengeance day.
How about we talk about vengeance day 2025?
Yeah.
We'd mentioned this, I think in last week or, um, there were a number of, you know, there's

(27:44):
been reused.
NXT has reused some of the old pay-per-view names before.
So it just makes sense that, you know, while it's NXT is calling it vengeance day, uh,
apparently it's still, it is still attached canonically to the original vengeance pay-per-views.
Yeah.
I mean, the logo is kind of similar.
The red and white is still being used.

(28:06):
Yeah.
And the very first vengeance from 2001 saw the main event of Stone Cold Steve Austin
versus Chris Cherico in a championship unification match.
Oh, well, that was the first.
Yeah.
That was the, and obviously the rock verse, well, you had Stone Cold versus Kalinga and
Jericho versus the rock, I think is how we're right.

(28:27):
We had the two match.
They had, they each had a match to determine their champion.
Like a mini tournament.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so what a, what a lineage, uh, you know, um, you know, a, what would that be considered?
Um, that was an epic moment in WWE history.

(28:48):
Yeah.
Um, it is the, the only, Chris Jericho being the only person to ever defeat the rock and
Stone Cold Steve Austin in a single night.
Um, yeah.
I've also just noticed that, um, NXT have had a vengeance day every single year since
2021.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's become, it's become there.

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They've been a bit of a staple.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, just running down these main events from the previous years, Finn,
Finn Balor versus Pete Dunn for the NXT championship, Braun Breaker versus Santos, let's go part.
Yeah.
Braun Breaker and Grayson Waller and a steel cage max for the NXT championship.
We had, we had last, I mean, last year, just last year was Ilya Dragunov versus Trick Williams.

(29:34):
This was, this was trick, trick becoming, uh, trick beating Ilya Dragunov and becoming
NXT champion, I believe, um, I believe was the outcome.
Uh, this time, uh, then last, no, actually no, Ilya Dragunov defeated Trick Williams.
That is, actually last year was when Camilla Hayes turned on Trick Williams.

(29:55):
Right.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what it was.
But this year, this year is the first year that women have a venue vengeance day, WWE or
NXT that the women have been evicted a vengeance day, a vengeance or vengeance day pay per
view, which is, yeah.
And holy shit, what a match that was when we'll get to it after we get to the other
matches after we get to the, let's, let's just, uh, roll down this, roll down everything

(30:20):
we've got.
Um, yeah.
So, um, we have, yeah, posters.
Great.
We were, um, so where are we at NXT 2025, February 15th, 2025, um, to be exact from Washington,
DC at the care first arena.
Yes.
Um, what can I tell you about the care first arena?
I always like to do this.

(30:40):
I like my arena history.
We've got, uh, it's only been around since 27, no, 2018.
It was opened.
Uh, and it's always been known as the care first arena.
It's seen, no, I tell a lie.
I tell a lie.
It was known as the St. Elizabeth's East entertainment and sports arena.

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Uh, during its planning and construction, and then it was renamed the entertainment and
sports arena.
Just that's it.
Which is kind of weird.
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, St. Elizabeth's East entertainment and sports arena is a lot
to say.
Yeah.
Like no one, no one wants to say all that stuff.

(31:22):
Except, and saying that's crazy.
It was literally rebranded the care first arena, um, nine days before this vengeance
day event.
Oh, wow.
So this was just the first.
I don't know.
It's hard to say, but it could, it could definitely be the first event.
Yeah.
It could definitely be.
Um, yeah, the care first arena very first.

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I mean, it looks like it probably was.
Yeah.
It probably was the first ever event held as the new name.
I can tell, I can tell you there was not a, there was not a lot of caring coming first
in this event.
What?
The event, the event, because, you know, people weren't caring for, they were fighting each

(32:05):
other.
Oh, they were fighting.
They were fighting.
Okay.
Well done.
Congratulations.
Uh, it's also the home of the Washington Mystics WNBA team and the NBA, um, Gatorade
League, which I still don't quite understand what the fuck that is.
The capital city go go.
That's the name of a team.
Apparently the capital city go go.

(32:27):
I, that's the name of a team.
That's the name of a basketball team, the NBA G League.
Yeah.
Which I think is like, it's like the NXT of the NBA.
Um, I would, no, I would, I would say that's probably the evolve.
Oh, you know, because college basketball, I mean college basketball would be the NXT,

(32:49):
right?
I suppose.
Yeah.
I don't know.
No, because college basketball, I say college is, yeah, I'd say college is the, yeah,
I'd say college is the evolve.
Right.
Yeah.
And the NBA has the NBA name on it.
So NBA G League would insist that it's probably.
Okay.
I see.
I see.
Ah, ah, ah.

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G League is a professional basketball league in North America that serves as the dead of
development, developmental league for the national basketball association.
So there you go.
There you go.
It's development.
The is the NXT of the NBA.
Oh my God.
I was knocked over my microphone.
Well, no, wouldn't it?
No, that it would, if it's the developmental league, then it really would be evolve.
No, no, because NXT is developmental.

(33:31):
NXT is not really develop, and not anymore.
NXT is its own brand, God damn it.
It's got the greatest women's women's division in the entire world of professional wrestling.
So what's college basketball then?
Is that just the indies?
That's the indies.
Yeah.
That's probably the indies because they're not, because they're not major league.
So there is no, so NBA doesn't have an NXT.

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It's not, you know what, professional wrestling is its own thing.
It doesn't have any comparisons to anything else at all.
That's really what it comes down to.
We're trying to make, we're trying to make, we're trying to make apples and oranges into
appletges.
And that's also, and that's just as dumb as whatever joke I was trying to make.

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Or just like apple and orange juice.
Which would be disgusting.
I don't know if that would work.
Arena.
No, arena.
Sorry.
I think you have got from cagematch.net and that is 3,849 people.
Where's the attendance for vengeance day?
All right.
Hey, we've got onscreen personnel.

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We've got the commentators, Vic, Joseph, Corey Graves and Booker T. By the way, love all of
those guys on commentary.
Yeah.
I'm happy to see Corey Graves back in NXT.
I mean, I know there was some.
There's some, yes, some funkiness going on there, whatever that is.
But yeah.
Yeah.

(34:56):
I don't know.
I don't know what all that was.
We may never know, but you know, it's a thing that you could put a pin in later.
I think anything that gets people talking about Corey Graves potentially returning to
in-ring action is something worth talking about.
Any time that it's, any time that it's potential, because you know, I mean, you know, the new

(35:17):
day even said, you know, the new day.
Because anyone can come back from a broken neck except Big E.
So, you know, Corey Graves, come on, man.
Corey Graves, come on.
Come back.
Just come back.
Everybody, I really think that would be, I know this is another tangent, but goddamn,
to be able to see Corey Graves wrestle even one time, to see him wrestle Pat McAfee, like

(35:46):
that.
I'd love to see it.
I'd love to see it.
We know McAfee can go.
McAfee's had matches in NXT and they were, and they were not terrible.
Yeah.
You know, especially now with how people are really, you know, come on, like of all the
things that we will into existence and we're going to talk about things we willed into
existence in this episode, and especially when we talk about this week's NXT.

(36:10):
Holy shit.
Let's just will into existence.
Corey Graves versus Pat McAfee.
We're going to, we're going to have it.
Spanish commentators, Marcelo Rodriguez and Jerry Soto, ring announcers, Mike Rome, referees,
Adrian Butler, Chip Danning, Dallas Irving, Derek Sanders and Felix Fernandez.
Interviews by Serish.
Definitely a lot of new referees there because I, there were some I didn't recognize at this

(36:33):
event actually.
Yeah.
And none of them have Wikipedia pages yet.
But I mean, look, we got, we got to focus, you know, we got to focus on, on, on, I mean,
unfortunately we got to prioritize who's the guy that I'm always anyway, I'll edit this
out because I can't think of his name right now, but he doesn't have it, but he doesn't

(36:54):
have a Wikipedia page either.
Chad Patton's Chad Paton.
Yeah.
Referee Chad Patton.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Referee Chad, no Wikipedia page patent.
Interviews Sarah Schreiber and with a pre-show panel of Megan Morant and Sam Roberts.
I did not see the pre-show.
I never really do.
No, neither.

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There you go.
First match of the night, Stephanie Vacquiet, I, why is it every time I read her name, I
want to pronounce it weird.
It's Vacquer, isn't it?
Everyone says Vacquer.
Vacquer, yeah.
I concur.
It looks like fact that it's Stephanie Vacquer.
Vacquiet, Vacquer.
Anyway, Stephanie Vacquer versus Fallon Henley.

(37:38):
Vacquiet.
Vacquer with Jace Jane and Jasmine Nix.
Those are Y's in that name.
North, NXT North American Championship.
Good match, good opener match.
I think we both predicted this result with Stephanie Vacquer winning the NXT.
We did.
Second longest match of the night, 15 minutes and one second.

(38:01):
Yeah, we're a parallel match, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, this solidified the, I don't know, I don't remember what their faction
name is, but Fallon Henley, I mean, Fallon Henley had a great heel run with that title.

(38:21):
I think it was a perfect amount of time for her to solidify herself as a major contender
in the women's division.
Also, as we will see, as we see on NXT yesterday, the six woman tag match that they had just

(38:45):
brings basically all of these women, Fallon, Jace and Jasmine are in the ring with both
women's champions and Jordan Grace.
Yeah.
And this is, all of them are doing amazing work.
JC Jade has been in NXT for a while as well.

(39:06):
So I think her being with both Fallon and Jasmine who are a little bit newer has certainly
helped.
This is exactly what we talked about probably a year ago or so with everyone knows who they
are now, especially in the women's division.

(39:27):
You know, and we saw every single one of them has their own personality, their own vibe
to them.
Yeah, NXT's women division is definitely, I don't think we were doubting the talent,
it was just more the fact that everyone's names kind of sounded the same and everyone's

(39:47):
gimmick felt the same.
But I think they were just at a, they were at the foundational level of that fact of
the, because you know, the NXT division was once the best women's division in the world.
And I think we're getting back to, you know, when we had Bayley, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch
and Charlotte, now we've got Jordan Grace, Stephanie, Vakura and Julia, like, all on

(40:12):
top there, like, and Roxanne Perez and, uh, Corjade, Corjade, and, oh, that's just, I
mean, real cool, we're going to go so far.
Just looking at the list of the women's division.
Adriana Rizzo is coming up.

(40:34):
You know, Ariana Grace has been over in TNA.
Yeah, Kalani Jordan.
You know, Gigi Dolan is still there at ready to, at any moment can come back and just, you
know, destroy things.
Gata Parker is, you know, is, is just, she's on fire.
Like she's, she's on fire.

(40:56):
She's got, she's got something that everyone loves.
Um, her, you know, the crowd reaction to her on NXT was, was phenomenal.
Like, uh, we've got Jakar Jackson.
We've got Carmen Petrovich, who is, you know, poised and ready to, to make, you know, to
make some more waves.

(41:16):
Uh, Lash, Lash legend is there.
Nikita Lyons is still, is there.
Um, Shauncey is back in NXT.
Uh, Sol Ruka and Zarya are, are the odd couple tag team that no one saw coming.
Yeah.
And is, and is just goddamn fantastic.

(41:38):
Yeah.
The little vignette that they played during the take of the, during the NXT, uh, vengeance
day was great.
The little kind of training montage situation.
I want to, I want to, uh, nominate the, the odd couple odd couple buddies become buddies

(41:58):
tag team.
You know, unlikely, unlikely pairing turned odd couple buddies, uh, to the punk stock
wrestling hall of fame.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm into that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We always love that.
The big cap in stock connection situation.
Yeah.
Tatum Paxley.
Yeah.

(42:18):
Theahale is, is, you know, and Wendy Chu is also, is also still, Wendy Chu's been,
I think Wendy Chu has been doing some stuff in TNA as well.
Um, I think she has.
Yeah.
She's been over there.
Yeah.
This NXT TNA crossover.
God, let's get to it.
Second.
The match was fantastic.
Let's get to it in a second, yeah, the match was fantastic.
The match was great.

(42:38):
Really good opening match.
Definitely Vecura winning the NXT, um, the American championship.
Yeah, all by by the way and and fending off the entire faction all by yourself. Yeah, exactly
Yeah, just made her made her look super strong
Yeah, phenomenal
Second match of the night acts Nathan Frazier and axiom which I don't know why they're not just calling them for axiom

(43:02):
Yeah, they some teams they do that with don't they they just kind of like I think I think because I think it's because the internet
What what happened probably what happened? Yeah internet came up with it first and now they're just not gonna do it
Because yeah, that's pretty much it because then you're gonna have some you know, it's Nate
It's Nathan Frazier and axiom we can call them whatever we want. Yeah, they're gonna call they're gonna not

(43:29):
Say that I guess. Yeah. Yeah, exactly unless unless unless I'm just unless I'm just really having like a
Mandela effect moment and like
It because I've heard it online. I've seen people say it so many on
They say they say on they say on on there, but they don't announce them as Fraxium that the commentators say Fraxium all the time

(43:50):
That's what it is the commentators say it, but they don't announce them. Yeah, they've never had never said Fraxium in the
Graphics no never in the graphics ring announces never said it
Yeah
This mat. Yeah, again, obviously against Josh Briggs and
In a morrow I've been practicing pronouncing that this was um

(44:12):
All right, I just get to the match and then I'm gonna say something controversial. I see like this match is really fun
Josh Briggs has always been impressive. I think like it's like he's in developmental for a reason
I think he's and he's gotten better, but I think his character
Needs like he's getting more comfortable in front of a camera and that's great. That's not the controversial thing

(44:32):
That's that's exactly what he's there to do
In a morrow is wild like the fucking
He's just a machine like the fallaway slam
He did without even leaving his feet and like when he bounced when he's like bouncing off the top rope to do that crazy
Splash like the dude is I like saying it's like
It not he he reminded me of like, you know those old toy weeble wobbles

(44:57):
You know how he just sort of like yeah, yeah
Bounced like no matter how you knock him down
He just sort of like he just sort of bounces right back up. Yeah, he is a ball of a man as well
He just yeah, like yeah got it. You know who you know who he kind of reminds me a little bit of he like like a fast Taz
Yeah, he has like he's just he's kind he's tanky, but but a little shorter, you know

(45:24):
Yeah, and it's funny actually I thought that Josh Josh Briggs kind of reminded me of Kevin Nash here
Especially with his attire as well in this man. Yeah, yeah, the leather with the tassels on it
He's kind of got that he's again. He's more a more agile Josh Briggs
So we had Taz and Kevin Nash versus Frexian basically. Yeah
Um, I'm pretty sure I don't know. I don't know if anyone's gonna go back and and verify this but I I

(45:49):
Don't know if we said we if we thought Axiom was gonna win
I think we thought Axiom was gonna win. I think we said Axiom would win. I don't know. Yeah
Yeah, although I maybe I said I
Don't know. I think I said Frexian, but I'm pretty sure that I
Said it would be cool since you know pro wrestling though
I'll have to you know, everyone's talking about TNA, but obviously pro wrestling Noah also have a bit of a relationship with an

(46:14):
X yeah, yeah, just quietly but it's a bit quietly in the background
Yeah, but that's also probably because you can't really watch pro wrestling no, we're in the in the US. I don't think so yeah
I mean, I don't know if you know but Omar's
Was over in pro wrestling Noah for like he's been over there for month. He's been oh, yeah
I'm one of their like top stars or something is crazy. Yeah. He was a tag. He was I think he was one half of the tag team champions over there for

(46:40):
Yeah, he was yeah, he was yeah, this is my controversial controversial thing. I
Okay, I
Appreciate I
Don't like Frexian
No, no, you know what I I get I I can I

(47:04):
Can get that and the problem is I feel like a lot of people really like Frexian
And I feel like they get so much praise and don't get me wrong. They're great in the ring
I think they're amazing wrestlers, but yeah pairing feels off
They seem off. I don't like axiom as a character. I think it's I don't like it
I

(47:26):
Have to give you a reason either I just don't yeah
When he was in NXT UK, he was a kid yeah that character was so much better and I like I
Don't know why he put a mask in him. He's not a superhero superdivers that actually exist
He doesn't have a reason to wear a mask Kane had a reason to wear a mask because he was burned. No

(47:46):
People that luchadors have I mean, yeah, it's gonna say
No luchadors are different because luchadors have a reason to wear a mask Kane had a reason to wear a mask
Yeah, are you saying saying he had a reason to wear a mask? Why is axiom wearing a mask is is is axiom not considered
Like does he not is he not considered a luchador style wrestler?

(48:08):
He's a loot yet. He does like a luchador style of wrestling, but he's from Spain
I know right Spain is like the Mexico of Europe. I
Mean I think I mean yeah
I mean it is but he I wouldn't call him a luchador. Oh, okay. I mean yeah, I mean you're you are not wrong
This and in my estimation. All right. Tell me what a controversy

(48:31):
but
In my eyes to be a luchador you need to be from Mexico. Okay, so okay, so I okay
would
Or or you mean or wrestle in Mexico or have wrestled in Mexico or I yeah, maybe I don't know
But would you like you wouldn't consider like will Ospreay and and ricochet a luchador would you even though they rest of the same style?

(48:57):
I I guess I guess I don't I
Guess I don't know I fly you just call them a high fly well, that's true
I guess I don't know enough about true what what the the true luchador
I really we should ask some luchadors. Well ask ask Chad Gable since he's studying

(49:17):
Yeah
That's a good, you know, I mean this this that's that's the question that I guess that is really the question what
What defines being a luchador and what defines you Libre and and what separates just a high flyer from a
luchilebré style and what's and what separates a massed

(49:39):
Wrestler who is a high flyer from a luchador that that's the question right there
Which we could probably get some really heated responses from in this reel that I'm gonna
You're just it's happening right now. Yeah, but but getting back to the subject at hand
I just don't like Fraxium. I I Nathan Frazier

(50:04):
All right, I don't know if I feel like you spoke about this recently in the pod right
I don't know if we did or not. Oh, maybe I just heard this question somewhere and
I did I just heard this question somewhere and I was just like I don't really know
God, I sound like it's such a dick, but someone's you are the proper prick. Yeah, that's right
I'm really your proper prick. This is your proper prick pick. I know exactly what's happened. I

(50:29):
Know exactly what's happened
Touched by carrying cross and now I'm turning you oh
Oh
You know
It's it's how it's just so it's so I didn't even notice it. It's just it's the cross-effect. It's the cross-effect
Man, I mean

(50:49):
I'm not saying you should use the I'm not saying you should make a new move called the cross-effect
But that but but the cross-effect
Does sound like a badass move that once you get hit with it?
it it it
Literally changes your your your psychological makeup and it like

(51:11):
Could you I mean imagine can you imagine how deep that would go if we could if we could somehow tie
the specific move
Into him turning them heal like he hits you in a
He's so maniacal and so and knows the human brain at such a level
That he knows precisely the point to hit you as um yes

(51:34):
He's does like that submission right as his finishing move
So maybe he could lock you in that submission and like make you pass out when you wake up your entire mentality
He's completely changed god damn. We're we're we're we're
We're so we're so good. Let's look at anyway, so look I heard the question recently and it was just like
Name one wrestler that you just you don't have a reason right, but you just don't like him. Yeah

(51:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Nathan Frasier, I think I saw I think I saw not Nick on threads post something similar to that
Oh, actually, no
I think that was he posted something the opposite of name a wrestler that you used to not like for any reason and now do
But yeah, either way I get it. I get it because

(52:20):
For a time like they were the odd couple for a minute and then they were teasing the breakup that that just didn't happen and
Now they're and and and now they're and now their only gimmick is we're the best
Like which is not saying they're not the best like it. What's so weird is that they are so good in the ring

(52:40):
That's so good. I know what makes me cringe even more a little bit. I think you're right like I don't like
Their entrance it has the whole superhero theme and I don't know what it is
But when whenever wrestlers, I'm not saying superhero themed stuff
I mean I'm in Johnny Gagano used to come out and Iron Man stuff
No, no, that was fine, right?
But I went when a wrestler has a superhero not the hurricane that was tongue-in-cheek

(53:05):
Whenever a wrestler has an actual superhero right themed gimmick. It makes me cringe so deeply
Because
Because
Because they because they're doing it
Purposefully and not like like you said yeah, the hurricane was tongue-in-cheek Nikki Nikki as H was

(53:30):
Which by the way, look Nikki Nikki as a right that I'm
Nikki
That I I'm getting that right as H. Yeah, and ASH. Yeah a superhero Nikki a superhero. Um, yeah
They were tongue-in-cheek in a way that you knew
It wasn't serious, but yeah, this is let it breaks it breaks the

(53:57):
since it breaks the suspension of disbelief by
Trying to be it'd be like
It'd be like I don't know
Almost a superhero that was it almost a superhero. Yeah, okay
Um, when it's just like I hate the entrance. I hate their presentation. I don't like Nathan Frazier

(54:19):
I wish they both wore a mask and then that's so dumb if you wanted he's gonna
Well, he kind of is we just kind of wearing that face protector now, so he's almost
Anyway, yeah, but oh, yeah, I guess so but that's for he asked for a purpose, but
Anyway, it's there. We're they're lacking a part. They're lacking. I think I think what's happening is it's just sort of
The the gloss is the gloss is wearing off a little bit and now we're and now we're looking for something more out of their characters

(54:46):
Yeah, because honestly like they're the kind of tag team that gets up to the main roster and just
Like they'll just yeah, they're gonna. Yeah, they'll just fade away into obscurity
They're a highlight reel for sure. It's like ricochet ricochet was a highlight reel
Well, that's what and that's what it was if you that you're I think you're a hundred
I think you're spot on with that assessment is like they would they would have a difficulty on the main roster

(55:13):
Making people care about who they are
Yeah, not a you know, so I mean, it's a good spot for them to be in also also it looks it
Looking at NXT it a hundred percent. I think and I think we called it
I know some other people on have mentioned it on some of our posts and
We're we're barreling towards the Hardy boys versus FRAXium for both the titles and

(55:41):
We you know, it's you know, what's gonna happen the Hardy boy
The Hardy boys are taking the NXT titles and we're gonna see Matt and Jeff Hardy with the NXT and
Ntna tag titles for I mean as I said, I called it last week
I said by standard liver should be FRAXium versus the Hardy boys. Yeah, they're both the tag team titles and God damn and goddamn

(56:03):
If triple H didn't tell his buddy Sean to tap into our lines, too
That's right
And and it it would be great as well because like we haven't had it yet for a TNA or an NXT talent to win the other
Companies championship and there's no better people to do it with then obviously the Hardy boys who you yeah trust and work
Yeah, cuz cuz do we want to just bring it up now or do we want to wait till a more natural time to bring it up?

(56:31):
No, no, no because it happened on NXT. We'll wait. We'll wait till after this and we'll get to the
NXT anyway great match enjoyed it
We know right. I think with this one
Yeah, I think it's because you know what because it wouldn't have made sense
It makes more sense for where we're going to have where we're going right exactly before the next match

(56:52):
Give me give me the next match. We predicted incredibly wrong
Eddie thought versus trick Williams strap match because we both said trick Williams would we know?
No, no, no, no, we were not wrong. We were surprised. Oh, we surprised. You're right. We were thoroughly surprised
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I mean I was surprised to be honest with you. I did not and it ended so any climatically as well

(57:17):
I didn't expect Eddie thought to get this. Yeah, I didn't at all
but but in hindsight if Eddie Thorpe had lost this match then then there's nothing for it like that
They're obviously trying to do something with Eddie Thorpe and the only way for them to make any of this work is
He had that he had to be a trick also

(57:41):
We're
the the the streak of trick losing is is can easily be a thing
That's either that's either gonna take him out of NXT and
Up to and up to the main roster. I mean
We know we know eventually we're gonna see trick Williams vs. Carmelo Hayes on Smackdown like oh, yeah

(58:03):
It's good. We know that we know that's coming. I would not be surprised if you know, I'm gonna call this
This is my this is my PA rock prince prediction
a new a new segment a new segment here on punk talk wrestling that I just made up right now on this the
PA rock prince predictions so that we can have more P

(58:26):
alliterations I
Think trick Williams is showing up the Smackdown after WrestleMania
Yeah, I would agree with that and and I think it's and I think it's definitely gonna be I
Would even I would go so far because trick because trick is in this intercontent
trick is up in the intercontinent or not in the US title mix a

(58:49):
little bit like he's
He's getting himself depends because Carmelo Hayes has been on a losing streak for quite some time now
He has which which has to turn around he beat I think he beat our truth on
Smackdown last week. So we yeah could start to see like the turnaround for him and eventually
He's doing really well and eventually that's when trick Williams comes. Maybe yeah, he should come on Smackdown actually maybe

(59:15):
Yeah after WrestleMania. Yeah, I think
For one, I think I think Carmelo Hayes
Definitely is going to get that US title
Yeah, I don't know. I I don't know if there's enough time
I don't know if there's enough time to do it before
WrestleMania no, well, I
Really want I really want Jimmy Uso to somehow end up in a US title match WrestleMania. So

(59:42):
Yeah, but but anyway, that's all
That's a whole other kettle of fish. Yeah, we might we might have to talk about that next week on all the things
Yeah, I really was this there they're there they're going behind Eddie Thorpe
They're getting behind him. They obviously we saw him in another match
And NXT this week which with another whole storyline with Chase Coddand. We're gonna give me

(01:00:10):
Yeah, I didn't I didn't didn't expect it. I was surprised the match was the match was good
Overall, I mean I'm a little more. I'm a little more sold after this match. I was a little more sold on Eddie Thorpe
Actually, yeah, I think I think it having a match that because now this can become part of his thing, you know, yeah

(01:00:30):
Um
Personally, I'm not I'm not always a strap matches in general are one of those matches that I'm
I'm never
It's it's it's low on my it's low on the totem pole of
of
Specialty matches as far as I like my rankings

(01:00:50):
Yeah, because it doesn't really it doesn't yeah, but I and it's so weird because obviously the gimmick is
Drew McIntyre and CM Punk had a strap match and in that match
It was the whole touch the four corners thing and then sometimes there's a strap match and it's just a pin situation. So
It's weird. Yeah, and that's and that's part of it is because it's because the match

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doesn't necessarily you call it a strap match, but there are varying degrees of of
The additional things involved with it
Yeah, because also there is a four corners match where you just have to hit the four corners
You know, yeah, so so really see him punk
The the CM Punk Drew McIntyre was a four corners strap match four corners strap match. I guess yeah, right anyway

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Anyway, yeah as far as strap matches go. I think I don't think anyone can say it wasn't a great strap match
It's just that's one of those things. It's not it's just not my thing. So I'm like, yeah, I look at it
I look at it as one of those in my you know, I think it's a it's a storyline driven

(01:02:01):
Stipulation, I think what should happen in a storyline is like
But I was a guy who's constantly trying to run away from someone. So the only reason you're gonna either
Do a cage match or you're gonna do a strap match so they can't get away from that person, right?
And that's I was gonna say that's the only and that's the only thread because I was I was literally about to say
How did we even get to the to a strap match?

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Because it just sort of happened it just seemed like it sort of happened
But I I guess the point to exactly your point is Eddie Thorpe has been
trying to underhandedly like
get away from
One-on-one matches or get away from I don't know
It was that it was a little messy how they got to the strap match

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Anyway, and again, this is just
out of
You know out of a 10 it's it's really like this is the seven out of a 10 kind of thing like it's not bad in any way
whatsoever, it's just probably that my least favorite thing of the night
Yeah, for sure and because and I'm still not 100% invent. I'm not invested in any Thorpe yet

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But no, this this definitely solved me on him a little more
Where it goes from here exactly and I see now where they're going with where they're going with trick, you know
The inevitable things it it it makes sense
Yeah
10 minutes and 58 seconds

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Only, you know
Only about 30 seconds longer than the tag match with that was 10 minutes and 24 seconds
All right, yeah the tag match being the the
The shortest of the night shortest match of the yeah shortest match of the night
That's the word I was looking for
Shortest but I feel every every match here got given a lot of good time, you know
Yeah, yeah every match being over 10 minutes is a good thing

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Yeah, so next I'll get Ethan Page versus Javan Evans singles match
Just a straight-up grudge match. Yeah, I mean we thought maybe that this match could just end up in a
Straight-up brawl, but it ended up being an actual match and it again surprised
This thought the Javan Evans would probably well we kind of predicted that maybe

(01:04:14):
He would like though the batch wouldn't even start but Javan Evans would come out on top on this situation
But yeah, but again, we were we were very surprised and and I like and let me you know, let me be clear
I like being surprised
Oh, yeah, I don't yeah because because when you see what happens
You know, it's not a disappoint. I'm not disappointed

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Because yeah these predictions of what you think's gonna it doesn't matter like if it yeah, it doesn't matter if it doesn't happen
It's not a problem the I also thought I thought
Momentarily I was like oh well, maybe this maybe Ethan Page puts him out for longer, you know like the idea that
Javan Evans is so hot. He's in one of he's in one of those spots where

(01:05:02):
He's so goddamn hot where he's at that you don't want to overdo it
Because you don't want to burn it you don't want to burn out his fire right away
And now there's nowhere to go so you really got you really got to take him away again like I really I really feel like
Especially in this we're gonna we're gonna we'll get to it

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But he's got you know him in is in the tag match that's coming up
We could see the big big spot for him and it's crazy man. He's only 20 years old
Yeah, he's got he's got time do not rush this dude do not rush him do not burn him out
Yeah, you know HPK
Don't burn him out like you can you can you know, we're you know, you can you can edge us with this with this guy, you know like

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Yeah, they're that lose a smile. Yeah, don't let him lose it
Certainly don't let him lose a smile and God knows he's almost lost it. Well three times with all the blood
broken jaw
The the story so the story is so well crafted to because
Because at any point at any point he could be knocked out and like and be out again

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Like it's it's such a he's dangling on a thread, you know on a thread on it on the edge of a razor, you know, right?
It's there, you know
The razor's edge is a wild place to live as as someone once said in a song
On there on their band second album available on Spotify. That's that's Riverside. That's a plug for me

(01:06:35):
Who spans that? Oh, yeah, it's me. I was one that wrote that line
Yeah, that's from that's from she's bad off of get into it
So go to you know go to go to any place that you stream music look for Riverside odds look for the album get into it
It's a fucking rad album. It's got it's got it's got our song about Randy Machman Savage called Savage on it

(01:06:59):
So I mean wrestling related it's good song. It's fucking great song. Yeah, all of them are great. Yeah, cuz I wrote great songs
You know every row every song that you and I have ever wrote are great. Just just for clarification purposes
Anyway
I love I love a little self plug. It's great. Yeah, man
NXT championship co-main event of the night over family

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Yeah, Austin theory and Grayson water. I wouldn't do this match. I don't even I wouldn't even say this is a co-main event
I mean, I mean you could some some might but as great as this was
The main event was the main event. This was the main event was the main event
Yeah, this was I would say this is the secondary main of this is the secondary event. Yeah secondary main event

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And it was it was good fun. It was like I like the way I like the the interaction between Austin theory and Grayson water
I think like they never really touched they never never they never intentionally
Yeah, touched each other. Yeah, no, they had they had so they had a little they had a little you know
It was squabble. Yeah a little skrrt fuffle. Yeah, certainly accidental, you know, the end result was

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Was it was awesome? No wait. No
It was Grayson hitting Austin
Yeah, Grayson did that kind of I don't know what that moves cool
But he rolls in the ring and does the stunner but he obviously didn't see who is stunning and then he realized it was Austin theory
Right. It was Grayson Waller hitting Austin theory with yeah, yeah, yeah
But yeah, I like this match. It was like these these matches where you ever get like a triple threat where it's like a tag team

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And a singles guy. It's like they're always quite good dynamics. You don't get matches like this come along very often. So
They're always fun and
This match was fun. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean once again
You just get oba family looking like the ruler that he is
just you know, it's

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it's like
It's like a bull swatting flies away from it
You know like when you see when you see a bull in the field and like you just like swats is swats his head away like the
Austin Austin and Grayson were just like these these annoying gnats
Yeah, you know and they're bickering about you know, but it was but they're both

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I mean, this is it's just there's they are both so great at who they are and what they do
And I can see this is continue. I mean they've kind of
They've kind of been on on loose threads for a while like they've the whole time they've always been a little bit of each of
They've all they've each of its wanted to one up the other in there in their tag team

(01:09:38):
That's nothing but Grayson is definitely treating Austin three more like shit than the other way around
Yeah, I could yeah because because he's
He's the bigger dick and I think he is a bigger dick. Yeah, but also because he's the one that hasn't had
The accolades that all Austin theory is a US champion
former US champion, so he's

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He's had a single one money exactly money in the bank. He's so he's had he's had some main roster
Success. Yeah, so so Grayson has that chip on his shoulder. You know, literally
To end this match and actually we didn't mention earlier, which we should have done because they attacked
Nathan Frazier axion brush brush Briggs and in a bunch of other games

(01:10:23):
Briggs and in a more. Oh, yeah, we had this group come out of kind of like a shield nexus
Retribution mix
Yeah, just this kind of group of I guess that you know, they look like retribution
But someone got really offended someone got really offended that I that I said the core wasn't memorable

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Yeah, I mean, I don't know who any of these guys are it seems like they are from obviously they are from a
Developmental, but you know like as in like they're still in the performance center kind of developmental
They're probably you can probably find them on evolve. Oh, yeah, they're what I don't even think they're in involved

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I think I'm actually I think they are
They've obviously even started yet. Yeah, I haven't even started yet
I think they're guys from the performance center that maybe they might have been on level up before recently, but
They're not no names basically and I that that's what makes them a bit more like nexus in a way
It's like I could yeah, I could not I could not tell you who any of them were

(01:11:26):
It's just by just by looking at their eyeballs and and hair styles
Yeah, because they weren't trying to like
Conceal their identity too much like their masks go down and you could see their faces
But yeah, none of them. No, you don't know any of these people are but so I don't know it's um
We'll see where it goes. They have there was a bit more an NXT about that not too much, but you know I

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Don't know it's it's you know who is no
What's that?
For best known for a song the touch
From 1986 movie the Transformers movie
Stand Bush
All right, I gotta close that tab and close the tab so I don't accidentally

(01:12:10):
Keep throwing back to that. Yeah, well, I mean it'll be a good draw
It'll be a good thing for me to edit in a nice little drop
Also, we can now put it on our we can put it on our playlist. Oh
Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, we should definitely we should definitely add
Yeah, we go the gender theme we should definitely we can't get copyrighted for I got the touch

(01:12:32):
That's it. No, no, I think you have you have like I believe it's like two seconds
It used to be it used to be somewhere about like five seconds when it comes, I think I think as long as it's under two seconds
like because it's not
We're not trying to claim that that's our song or make money. It's it's a it's using a sound by a drought

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Yeah, I say that Julia had the touch
You could put the sound by right here right right here
Anyway, I think we've got a new I think we got a new drop
We're gonna drop on top of our on top of our gender mahal
Drop that we haven't been utilizing properly enough. We haven't we haven't been it's hard. It's hard because he's not in

(01:13:16):
It's hard to because he's not around any round. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean he is around we've got we need to talk
Well, I think we'll talk about it next week. We'll we'll have a we'll have a update
Yeah, see what's going on with him. Yeah, we really need to show
Let's get to the the main event of the evening
Yeah, Julia Bailey Roxanne Perez and Corajade faithful for the NXT women's championship. This is my god, man

(01:13:38):
Yeah, that's a good as book a tea would say
Yeah, book a tea says a lot book a tea's got I love book a tea's lines
He is a mad man. I you let's and I want to give Vic Joseph is great man. What a color come dude
I also play by play also. Yeah, I wanted I wanted to mention this on the other on another at another point

(01:14:00):
Shad just just want to just a Vic Joseph appreciation moment
Yeah
How he stood up to himself when both Corey graves and book or tea were
True were healing out on him
You know just just good good on you Vic good good good on you for standing up for yourself with with logic and reason

(01:14:21):
That shut both of both of their heels nonsense down in the in the moment
I can't remember at this point. I can't remember what it was
I just remember Vic Joseph standing up for himself and I just want to I do know what you're talking about
I can't quite remember but yeah, I mean Vic. I've always had I've always really liked Vic Joseph like it's
It shocks me that he's never been brought up to the main rusty

(01:14:42):
I mean he actually he was on Smackdown last week actually with Wade Barrett. Yeah
Because Joe Tessa Joe's Tessitore was on assignment
Oh
assignment
But yeah, I've always I've always loved the Vic Joseph. I think he's such a good
I mean he's been with the company for such a long time now and I feel like I
Can't wait for him. It's a it's so tricky with raw and Smackdown being the only two shows like

(01:15:07):
There's literally two spots to be filled for play-by-play and yeah, that's it. There's not very that's that's a spot that is very
It's a it's a it's a niche spot and there's all and there's only a there's a there very few of those spots available
Yeah, yeah, and actually I just found out
I mean if you haven't watched Michael Cole on Impulsive yet watch it

(01:15:29):
It made me late for recording this podcast because I was actually well engrossed in it
But Michael Cole has literally just signed a new eight-year deal with the WWE so he is year
So yeah, that's just look into it. I ain't gonna give the story because I can't remember it, but that's
That's really good
God bless. Yeah, this this main event this main event was

(01:15:53):
Fucking great. It's one of the best
women's
NXT title matches we've had this this gave me a little throwback to like the takeover days of women's wrestling
Yeah, it really did. I mean having Bailey in there in there certainly certainly out. Yeah by every metric that matters

(01:16:14):
This is these are the punk stock wrestling metrics that matters, you know by every metric that matters. This was a
perfect match perfect fatal four-way match
Perfect championship defense of a fatal four-way match
Yeah, everybody everybody looked strong. There were there were multiple story lines going on

(01:16:37):
You know, we we did see a little bit. There was some
There was some minor shenanigans
I think
What happened what happened at the but
It was yeah, I don't think there were any shenanigans. No, that's right. No, no, no, no, no

(01:17:00):
I'm thinking something I was thinking something else. Yeah
There's so there's just so much amazing shit going on that that they get blurred together a little bit
Yeah, this this was a part this was a perfect fatal four-way championship match a
Perfect way to end the the main event, you know

(01:17:21):
There is absolutely this is
There's so many things you can you can get from this because now we've got you know, both Julia and Stephanie of occur are
relative newcomers to NXT but also
Very well established in other areas. So they're their big names

(01:17:41):
They're these they're these big names that have come in and and establish their dominance
by the way establish your dominance was was a
Tentatively going to be the title of Riverside Odd's second album
Originally when it was a much more
hardcore
Palm cleaning album
at some point I'm gonna release the the the original mix the original like demos of those songs because

(01:18:08):
So different I'll send I'll send them to you after I'll send me after recording just listen to at one point
But they're like I mean some of them weren't good
They're definitely better now, but it was a totally different album. Anyway, right? Anyway, Julia Stephanie of occur
establishing their dominance

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Yeah, we've got we've got the rocks it we've got Roxanne Perez who you know came into came into raw and
And is now in the elimination chamber
Rocks is raw or
Or yeah, yeah, Roxanne Perez. I mean, I don't know you got to think now that maybe she's

(01:18:51):
She's been in NXT for a very long time and I think it's about time
She's been there since the very start of 2.0
So I think now is the time to bring her up to the main roster. I
Would get yeah, I would not be I wouldn't at this point
I would not be surprised if Roxanne Perez wins the elimination chamber and this is a never know this is her and this is her basically
This is her call-up. She's on raw now

(01:19:12):
Yeah, yeah, you never what you never know because we know because we know Charlotte is Charlotte has chosen
Tiffany Stratton
Yep, she had I don't think and I don't think it would be I
Don't think it would be bad
if Roxanne Perez loses to

(01:19:33):
Rear Ripley, Rear Ripley. Yeah, why was I having a complete brain fight?
Because there's so I mean looking at that
I mean, let's not get too deep into elimination chamber because we do that another time. Yeah, yeah
I'm looking at that chain like it's not gonna be live Morgan because we've done live Morgan Rear Ripley to death. Yeah, I
mean
We Alexa Bliss is probably a contender

(01:19:54):
I
Think her I think I think she's got other I think she's got enough going on
Otherwise that she can she can build a storyline out of whomever
Eliminates her she certainly
Roxanne's definitely got a good chance there, but yeah, I mean anyway back to her next tea

(01:20:15):
Jordan Grace comes out at the end kind of has a face face off with with Julia
And Stephanie the curtain comes out as well. So it's kind of that was that was the that was the
staple that was the
Ink is on the paper
signed on the dotted line
Jordan Grace is officially an ex-tee cuz I think there was I think I think everyone assumed that I

(01:20:40):
Think we all thought we all knew that she had signed with the WWE
But we didn't really know where she was going
I think we all thought it was gonna be an XT, but it yeah
It makes so much more sense and then and then of course we get that we now we now saw the six woman tag match as the main event of
NXT this week. Yeah, yeah
Yeah
Yeah, what'd you give what that was 20? Dude

(01:21:08):
Taking into account taking into account the levels of detailed storytelling
That all of these first of all every match was fantastic every match was
Yeah, it was a bad match. Absolutely. It was technically great. There wasn't one though
There wasn't at any point where it's like oh man. This is kind of boring like I'm just I didn't yeah
I could not tune there wasn't anything that you could possibly tune out

(01:21:32):
right
Fuck man. It's I
Think I think I'm going with 18. I'm going with an 18. It gets a plus four
for me, you know in I
Can't give it a 19 only because
Mainly because of the Eddie Thorpe trick Williams match. I just I

(01:21:55):
I
Just haven't bought Eddie Thorpe yet enough and and and yeah like and I think to the Nathan Frazier knowing knowing that we're going
Knowing that we're barreling towards
Fraction
I'm fine with that but but yeah, I I've it's time to pull that it's time to take the titles off of them

(01:22:16):
And and and who better but but because of that
It kind of made this match a well
It kind of made the match. I like well, no, you know, of course of course that happened like yeah
Yeah, you know, I'm pretty good to give it a 17 only because like
Not because I mean
17 still a great number, but I know I

(01:22:38):
Know that look, you know if I give this an 18 or a 19
It's gonna be too much and then something that way better is gonna come along
Yeah, so I need to give a little breathing room. So I think I'm gonna go for 17 for this one
All right, so so so we're at it. We're at a
We're at a 17.5 and we can't have point fives. We don't do halves. That's why we that's why we did 20 to begin with

(01:23:04):
Should we roll to get an official one number rating?
You know what no, I think I think I think I think
Will I think I just got to come down to I'll come down to 17 because I because I can't because I can't
see any way that I could potentially
convince

(01:23:25):
The your 17 to be an 18 and I can't discount all of your reasons for
Having it a 17. I just go I give breathing room for things to be better
Yeah, things could be way way back and the fact that yeah the fact that we know that there are going to be better
higher rated pay-per-views
in our own minds

(01:23:47):
Exactly. Yeah, and and sure like
Things can have the same ratings, but I think it's just I think we're going to see that our own
method of ranking in order to get something in order for something to be 20 whoa whoa
Holy shit, you good. Yeah, are you hearing that?

(01:24:08):
What?
Okay, I don't I just got some like I don't know if it came through on my
Recording I just got some wild static coming through my headphones like whoa, what the fuck yeah, no, that's weird
Yeah, we see if it picked up in recording or not. Yeah. Yeah, holy shit. That was that was weird. I

(01:24:31):
It was sort of anyway
Whatever that was
Weird, I mean this weird shit go. There's weird shit going on. We haven't seen uncle Howdy stuff in a while except well
No, we have we saw with Alexa Bliss had a yeah, it's just an interference. Yeah
It's an Alexa blue, but no
Sorry, I know they can't they can't help me with that every time I say her name

(01:24:56):
My echo dot goes off
I need to turn I need to turn it off in the room while I'm recording because there's yeah
Many times that comes up especially back now. It's gonna happen so much more often. Yeah, I guess yeah before we
17 17
Yes, 17 is the number. Yeah, 17 is the official punk stock punk stock wrestling

(01:25:19):
Paper view point
Paper view points
I don't know what I'm trying to make it into something. We'll figure out wrestling
Universal ranking no universal ranking universal
Yeah, I think we I think we did I think we yeah, I think we already had it well

(01:25:42):
Well, you know, maybe there's a better maybe maybe just this this
Well, we'll workshop potentially a better name for it, but it's yeah 17
still solid and
Before we wrap things up, I guess it's two thing. I mean we spoke about the Harley boys situation. Oh, yeah
We gotta talk about NXT we get we gotta talk about what happened the other things that happened
On two big things. Yeah, let's go. Obviously Ricky Ricky Starks now Ricky Saints

(01:26:07):
Ricky says it is a WWE name has signed a contract. So obviously had a little bit of a interaction with
My god, his name has escaped me
Easy page
Yeah, quite funny is being the back to there both from a w yeah, which is that's pretty wild

(01:26:27):
I do what I've seen it now, of course instantly we all
Instantly, we know how the internet winding community TM
reacts to things
They did it with they did it with Gunter when he changed his name to Walter
but but now I we're seeing more people at least

(01:26:49):
Just being like hey man, it's just a name
It's just that yeah, he is character on NXT was no different how he always being but but I but here
But one of the things that having a new name does give you is the ability to
Be a little bit different
Be and also just and also just put a line in the sand that says this is a different era for me

(01:27:14):
And I also want to bring up the fact that not a single goddamn person anywhere at any time has ever given
the any any wrestling organization
Besides WWE any shit when John Hennigan was John Morrison or Johnny Blaze or Johnny

(01:27:35):
Caballera or Johnny elite or Johnny fusion or Johnny Hardy or Johnny Impact or Johnny Mundo or Johnny Nitro
Or Johnny spade or Johnny superstar or Johnny TV or literally what Wikipedia says various other ring names
It's it's not important it's not as important what their name is as much as how they make you feel and

(01:28:02):
Ricky Saints is making me feel good that Ricky Saints is in NXT
And that's all that matters to me is feeling good and
This
Ricky Starks
Ricky Starks is his one child, you know, I only have one kid

(01:28:24):
What he's talking about
I went I went on a little there was a little there was a little low a little low side
Side tangent I said I said the same thing I care about with me being happy and also you being happy in this podcast and my wife and my
Child I said my children. Oh, but I but then I'm like I only have a child you got cat children

(01:28:46):
I have cat children and I also had I also had a crazy dream the other night that
Apparently I had a daughter and oh, it was a long story short. It was just someone. Yeah, it was I never knew
I didn't know until the long story short. Yeah, I had this crazy dream that I found out that I had another child

(01:29:07):
That's a fucked up dream. Yeah, it was kind of it was kind of weird
It was I'm not exactly sure why and it was specifically that I had a daughter
and
It was also and it also was tight
Oh because I because I had to perform at a
TNA event as I had a New Year's Eve party
What the fuck? Yeah, it's weird. It was it was sort of like it was very much like the I show speed

(01:29:34):
Thing where he was just there and then all of a sudden like shit. We need someone to go and it's like
Ralph you're a wrestling fan. You you you're a wrestling fan. You've got a you've got to have a match right now
You've got to have this match right now and I'm like what and apparently my daughter was
That I had was at this New Year's Eve party turned

(01:29:59):
TNA wrestling event that I got conscripted into
Fucking weird man dreams
Dreams of fire. I mean I've talked to a psychologist. I'll break the break that down. Yeah, yeah, probably yeah, there's probably there's probably yeah
The other thing we need to talk about real quick and there's not much to say about it apart from the fact
It's moose versus Oberfemi and it's

(01:30:20):
Whoa made in heaven right there. Holy shit, and I know I
Know that always reminded me of moose even before double nxt and TNA had this had this thing going on
Oberfemi is always reminded me of moose his style in the ring is very similar to moose and now
We've got yeah NXT champion and the the TNA exhibition champion

(01:30:43):
Going up against each other at some point. Well, we've also well
We know that and we know we're gonna see him versus Lexus King
Because because Lexus King was I guess was try
Essentially roped him into roped him into a title match and he's like his face is like is that all you want?
Fine, I'll kick your ass next week

(01:31:08):
Holy shit though dude that dude looks like
He reminds me now. I don't know I've seen him and I've seen him a little bit in TNA
Yeah, but but I you know I
I'm not up. I'm not as completely current and I and I still haven't given myself
Enough time to fully immerse in all that's going up, but it's inevitable now. I've got to

(01:31:34):
When he's the way he presented himself on
On NXT
His entrance is great. Yeah, is but it's also bigger
he he reminded me of
Marvel's kingpin like in the way that in the way that he presented himself as just and I mean and I mean like the Netflix

(01:31:57):
Kingpin not the not the not the comic book
comically large
oversized guy the
Yeah
What's the actor that played kingpin?
I kind of remember Vincent D
No, Frio Vincent D and D and off real. Yeah, I can't pronounce it that guy

(01:32:22):
Vinny D
Big Vinny D
We're gonna call him from now on
He get he just immediately like the suit the perfectly like
tailored suit
He he looked sharp as sharp as a razor
He's an impressive looking dude and like the crazy thing is so

(01:32:47):
If you don't know much about moose he he's
He was actually in the NFL. He was drafted in the NFL in 2006. So he was
As Anna Falcons New England Patriots St. Louis Rams in the in the app is cult St. Louis. St. Louis Rams again and
2012

(01:33:08):
He decided to become a professional wrestler and he since then he's been in Ring of Honor
He's been in RPW. He's been in Evolve. He's been in New Japan pro wrestling
He's been pro wrestling Noah and he's been in TNA since
2016 I think it is
So he's he's been around for a while. He's a guy actually that I'm really

(01:33:29):
Surprised hasn't been signed by the WWE before this like he's impressive. He's really really good. I mean, I think
Yeah, oh shit. He's 40
Yeah, and he's 40. Yeah, I mean, I was 26 years old and mooses for but it does but he sure doesn't look like it
Or I mean, I mean he does he carries himself like a man like like an experienced man

(01:33:52):
And that's you know that that is something that is something that he's got going for him
And I didn't realize you know like when you see him when you see him in TNA
Against people that you're also not always necessarily familiar with or I'm not you don't really
See the scale until you see him standing eye to eye with oba feminine. I'm like, oh fuck

(01:34:15):
Yeah, this dude is six five
299 pounds
From Atlanta, Georgia, and Orlando, Florida and Washington DC
Yeah, he's a person from Syracuse University
Fuck he needs more they needs they needs more on his Wikipedia page, but like

(01:34:36):
Yeah, man, that was it him versus
Oba Femi is whenever that ends up happening is gonna be oh, I think we know. Oh, I think we know it's gonna be
It's gonna be WrestleMania weekend
Um, yeah, I think it kind of has to be it'd be quite cool to see if we do oba femi and and

(01:34:57):
I don't know
Moves for the for the both championships and we also do
Fraxium and Hardy boys for both championship because you could see we could have the Hardy boys
Yeah, well, I'd love to I want to see what I think summer time is a good time for a world's collide event
But I'd love to see I'd love to see some NXT championships go to TNA and vice versa
I really would that would really solidify this whole deal. I think we're gonna see it

(01:35:22):
Certain. Oh, I think we I think we absolutely are gonna see it and I think it was smart
I think it's smart that they that they are slow playing it
Oh, yeah, you don't want to rush into these things. I also want to see Dolph Ziggler or you know
I mean we've seen Fandango already so yeah, no reason why we can't see see Dolph Ziggler at some point
Yeah, there's there's so much there's so many

(01:35:45):
There's so many possibilities. It's great. It's so good for
WWE has never put their selves in this situation
I mean, I know that Vince not to this degree
No, Vince Vince had his sandbox and he wanted to keep everything in that sandbox and have
Have control of everything that he had control of but I think

(01:36:08):
With Triple H and charge and sure running developmental life. They are like I think there's a lot more lenience to like
Want to reach out their hands to other company? They realize that I also being the WWE
They are like they control professional wrestling
So they are able to just work with anyone and if you don't want to work with them a aw
You don't have to then but that's up to you. You you're gonna have to well

(01:36:31):
Here's a catch up and and that's and see that's there there's a difference. I
Think it's it's of course. It's smart. It's smart that they're showcasing a few they're showcasing
TNA talent they showcase TNA talent in the Royal Rumble in an event where it
Mystery people can show up and it's great for the so that the casual audience knows

(01:36:54):
There's a connection here. Also. Wow. I should check maybe I should check out TNA because we they do want to drive viewers
viewership to TNA
Yeah, of course they do because they want because they want people to see their
WWE stars WWE wrestlers in TNA and they and and the whole goal is they want to work
They want to help each other to be honest in it and it's extremely smart. Let's get let's

(01:37:20):
Let's get people
Who are WWE wrestlers or WWE fans?
Who may want to watch more wrestling?
Let's let's steer them towards the wrestling we want them to watch which is that's just basically
We're in the desert, you know this benefits nothing else more than it just benefits professional wrestling

(01:37:41):
It benefits professional wrestling at any time honestly any time you have the top organization
Working with anyone and you can and you can people are gonna have their own views of whatever
It benefits everyone it benefits professional wrestling as a whole because yes, it the competition
Forces people to get better forces people to step up step up or get stepped on

(01:38:07):
And that is just that is just the way it is
And if you don't and like don't
run a professional wrestling organization if you don't want to be in competition for
Viewers and fans times with other professional wrestling
Organizations like that's right
But also it shows when you're not

(01:38:29):
When you don't make your entire identity when you you know when when your identity doesn't revolve in some way again around
I'm gonna I'm gonna talk shit on the top organization and we're gonna just you know
they may
They may what T&A did their thing T&A we and we've said this before we said this last year

(01:38:53):
Before that any of this happened
Because you know there was that you know when we saw Jordan Grace the first time and and what be even back when we saw
when
She's now in she's now one of the mentors in in
Legends and future greats former T&A knockouts champion

(01:39:14):
And Mickey James. Yeah. Yeah
When Mickey James showed up that was that was four years ago
Right. Yeah, that's crazy. That was a precursor being in the works for quite some time. Exactly. This has been in that that
That moment Mickey James T&A knockout champion

(01:39:34):
Showing up in the Royal Rumble that was that was the seed that was planted and look at how long it took
And and they and they slow burned it, you know, you got to gain trust
I mean as well like the thing is T&A have been scarred before because they tried to work with AEW for about a year
Yeah, and in that relationship what happened was T&A

(01:39:58):
Would never get AEW stars on their show. They would only
Sorry T&A would never have any presence on an AEW show. Yeah, like and it was like it
So you're not actually cross-promoting in any way. You're only allowing Kenny Omega basically show up on T&A
Yeah, and there's there's no you're not trying to help T&A here

(01:40:19):
Yeah, like and at the time T&A were in a very small they weren't doing very well. They were in a small
You know, they were airing out of the same place every week and they weren't again during big crowds like T&A is slowly
as time's moving on here T&A is
surpassing AEW in my
opinion as as the the next the second down from

(01:40:44):
WWE and North America especially
Certainly by certainly by the metrics that matter to us they are
Yeah
and we can and and people can think about think however what anyways they want to think about it
The only you know, but the bottom line is this is it's not an opinion

(01:41:05):
It is it is it is just purely facts and people have people within the company have come out and
Specifically said it the only reason AEW exists is because Tony Khan has enough money to burn
To do whatever he wants to do with his playground, you know, and it's his playground
He can play with his toys. However, he wants Jericho on in Jericho was on

(01:41:28):
Insight with with Chris Van Vleet and he flat out and he flat out said it in the best possible way
Like he didn't you know, he's like hey man Tony cons the boss. So at the end of the day, it's my job
To do what he says and make the best of it
And that's Chris Jericho is always looked that way. He was just the same with Vince
Yeah, I've agreed with things he wanted to do

(01:41:50):
But he's under the day what he does what he says, but also he's gonna do but he's all but Chris Jericho
He's also gonna do as much as he can do because Chris Jericho respects the business of professional wrestling and yeah
While he's being paid by Tony Khan to wrestle. He's going to do the best he fucking can and I'll tell you man

(01:42:10):
I love I love Chris Jericho
I've always loved Chris Jericho the only main mainly the only reason and again the only reason I don't watch him in AEW or stuff
It's because it's mostly the presentation. I don't like the presentation, but it's not that I don't support him and love what he does
I respect him for
Everything and and for continuing to get over and continue to keep people talking about it even though they hate people hate the learning tree

(01:42:35):
Some people hate it. I love it. I love it because of how much people hate it more than anything
Yeah, he actually said on that podcast like he like people are shouting at him retire it to please retire and say he's a heel
Yeah, you're meant to not like me. Yeah, like I'm getting you work by not liking me
You're you're still exactly
You're still you I'm getting you to participate in what's happening and that is and it's just

(01:43:02):
Yeah, it's great
And he said the exact same thing is like those same people if they saw me on the street
They'd come out they they'd be the first to come they'd come up and be like oh, Christopher. Love you
You know like you know yeah, exactly exactly
anyhow
Any who what else happened?
Motherfucker, I think that's about it. I think for what we've got well we've got Carmen Petrovich is now the number one contender for the

(01:43:27):
North American championship
That's just the other thing that happened
We're getting and of course and we're getting at the end of the night well, we know there's there's more things that happen with NXT
We got we're we know we're getting a
tag match
Ricky Ricky Saints first match is gonna be a tag match with Javan Evans versus Ethan Page and

(01:43:47):
West Lee
Yeah, I love how you know, I love how they're roping everybody in I think I think that's perfectly I think that's perfect
because
They're they're doing this they're they're doing with Ricky Saints the same thing that they did with
With Jade Cargill
Allow her to allow her allow her to be in a tag team

(01:44:11):
So that so that you're protected a little bit
You get everybody in the mix, but you don't you can be like
You know, you're not the focus at the center. You're not the focus exactly
He's he's actually he's actually in a way
He's doing the opposite of what Ethan Page did was he came in his whole thing is ego
He got a championship match and won right away. Yeah, he's doing the opposite in proving that he's

(01:44:35):
He's here and it's it's also it's negating the it's negating the the
The irritate West Lee's problem that you know like West's piss that he just comes in and like go. Yeah
Now it was it what I'll be honest. It was a little it was a little it was a little disrespectful of

(01:44:58):
Hold on let me of Megan it was Megan Morant that was I think that was the backstage
Um comment backstage interviews. Yeah, you know, it wasn't little it was a little disrespectful of her to just
stop mid
Mid interview with West Lee and them to just run after

(01:45:22):
Ricky Saints, but yeah, yeah that might have also been her being told to do that
She has an earpiece exactly
So I'm not gonna blame I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blame her. It's you know, it's her job. It's her. It's part of her job
She's doing her job
She's doing her job. Just doing her job. Don't fall some of it. She's doing the job

(01:45:42):
And now we got it and now we got a tag team match. That's gonna be that's gonna be great and
And the clothes and and I'm guessing we have to assume the clothes of NXT the destruction of the
Of the manager's office and and the beatdown of yeah, who was that?

(01:46:03):
Fuck stone. Yes. Yes stone. Yes. I'm surprised. It's a shock that he's
Yeah, Robert Stone, that's it
I'm surprised that he's still not being brought up to like that like he's
Got such a great fleshed-out character and he's been an NXT for such a long time
That it shocks me that he hasn't been brought up in any capacity to be a manager on the main roster

(01:46:26):
I think he's a great manager as well. Yeah, I think I think that might I think they might be waiting
I think I guess you gotta put him with the right person. Yeah, the right person the right the right time
I could definitely see him having a
Dangerous alliance type situation, you know a bunch of clients. Oh for sure. Yeah, if we look at NXT wrestlers like

(01:46:51):
Who I mean who would be good? I know this is we you know what we'll put this for next week
We'll we'll talk about this next week put a pin in this. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make a note here next week
Robert Stone
He's gonna be he's gonna be one of the topics of next week. All right
Geez, yes, now we keep having beasts of episodes every week. They're lately

(01:47:17):
Shit so next week
Yeah, we've got that's it we don't even know what we're doing next week
I don't know what we're doing. We're probably just gonna we're probably just gonna talk about
Everything anything pretty just gonna talk about wrestling. Yeah, we're gonna talk about wrestling
But you know what between now and then
listeners
Followers all of those things

(01:47:39):
If there's anything you want us to talk about
Let us know well, I'll do it once again. I'm gonna after as soon as we finish recording. I'll go on Instagram and I will
Make a poll I'll make a poll or some just some description or a question and see what people want next week's episode
Yeah, I'll put a I'll put a poll up on threads as well

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I think that's all that's left is the shout outs

(01:48:20):
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So do it think that's it. You have any other any other shout outs we need to
Don't think sir, I think I think I'm good. No
Yeah, oh then

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Guess we're done. I think we're done
All right save the thing I see it

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