PTW Universal Top 12 Survivor Series Moments - EP62

CJ Newman & RW Hellborn run down their top 12 Survivor Series Moments

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Punk's Talk Wrestling!

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From this episode, we look back at 37 years of debuts, turns, returns, and monumental
events as we bring you our Punk's Talk Wrestling Universal Top 12 Survivor Series Moments!
I am R.W.
Hellborn, the P.A.

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Rock Prince, hailing quote unquote, from Philly!
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Podcast Partner, he is the other half of the crown, which is the other half of your Punk's

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Talk Wrestling Inter-Universal Tag Team Podcast Champion of the World!
Mr. Did You Know, Sir King of Realms, the proper brick, C.J. Newman!

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Did you know, throughout the history of Survivor Series, that WWE has only ever booked a big

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rematch twice in its entire history.
So in 1992 and 1997, it was headlined by both Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart.
And that is the only time in Survivor Series history that there's been a rematch.
Otherwise, every single match on Survivor Series has been completely unique.

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And also, as a did you bonus, because it's been a while, but I thought this was quite
significant.
In 1997, right before the Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart match, which nothing at all historical
happened whatsoever.
What match?

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You know, that one.
It was the debut of the WWF Scratch logo.
Right before that match, they did a vignette for the WWF Attitude.
So the watermark that was on the screen for the main event of that show was still the
old school, you know, next generation block logo.

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Yeah, holy shit.
You're right.
Come on.
Very soon after that, they moved to the scratch logo.
They debuted the scratch logo in a vignette before the match.
Yes.
And you're telling me that ending is not a fucking work?

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I mean, come on.
They telegraphed it.
Yeah.
Pretty crazy, right?
It's fucking great.
And just as a little guess, when do you think the logo changed from the scratch logo to
the current logo we have now?
What year do you think that was?
The scratch logo to the current logo?

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Well they had to go through the W. They had the change between WWF and WWE.
But they still had the scratch logo.
They just got the F out.
They got the F out.
They cut off the hedge with the chainsaw.
Yeah.
Remember that one?
Yeah, that was good.
Man, I feel like they kept that scratch logo for way longer than they needed to.

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Probably the longest logo they ever had.
Like 2015 or 16 maybe?
It was so close.
It was 2014.
It was 2014.
Ah.
Yeah, it was super close.
Nice.
But if you think about it-
We're talking about the nice sharp WW.

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The one they have currently, yeah.
The one we have currently, yeah.
So the block logo, the shiny block logo is 82 to 94.
So we're talking 12 years.
And then the next generation logo, the yellow and blue one with the logo slightly at an
angle with a square in the background, that was 94 to 97.

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Yeah, that was all that.
So that's like three, four years.
But that was a variation on the original logo.
Of the original block.
So if we go with that, we go from 82 to 97, which is what, 15 years?
Yup, yeah.
That sounds about right.
Yeah.
And then we've got the scratch logo, which is the same as the next scratch logo basically

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without the F.
Right, yeah.
We're talking 97 to 2014.
So that's another 14 years.
Yeah, there have been, I mean- 97 to 2014, that's, shit, that's nearly-
That's almost 20 years.
Yeah, well it's like 17 years.
Yeah.
So the scratch logo has been around the longest.

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Now the current one has been around for 10 years.
Yup.
So it's probably got at least another five, we've got another five years good in that.
Yeah.
I mean, they technically had another logo before that, but that was just like WWF in
like Times New Roman, and then it was just a globe underneath it.

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Yeah, yeah.
This is the, these are the actual stylized branded, like this is part of their branding.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So yeah, there you go.
All right.
Well there, did you know, did you bonus and a little extra-

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History on the logo right there, yeah.
And how's about we talk about the series?
Yeah.
That stuff, yeah.
So 12, top 12.
Good job.
Well done.
Anyway, Fresh to Wrestling.
How about that?

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Yeah, how about that?
With that, I guess we'll- Oh, for that.
I'll open up a- Yeah, I know.
It feels like, it's only been two weeks, but it feels like forever.
Yeah, shit.
That is a can of generic lime seltzer from Giant.
And this is Ice Breakers Ice Cubes Wintergreen Gum.

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My official gum and seltzer, my end of punk soccer wrestling.
Yeah, I need some sponsors.
I'm just too lazy.
Yeah, I mean, they're not really sponsors.
We're sponsoring them.
Well, yeah.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
I need to sponsor something.
Yeah.
All I have a sponsor is water, but I just drink water.
I just drink water.

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Water, sorry.
I'm not saying it properly.
Water.
Water, water.
Water.
Water over here.
I want a glass of water.
Water.
Water.
I want a glass of water.
Like that, right?
That sounds like when you change your GP, like the way that I have an English accent

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on my GPS, that sounds like what a British phone company's English accent would sound
like.
That's pretty good, like ditzy Californian girl, though, right?
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty close.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to.
Not as good as my my Bronson Reed impression.
Your British Bronson Reed impression.

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British Bronson Reed.
I'll probably cut that and put that all up on the Patreon then.
Sweet as not.
Yeah, it's kind of that's a good little good little chunk that has nothing to do with what
we're actually with this episode is really about.
That's right.
What we're actually going to talk about is a survivor series, top 12 moments.

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Yeah.
So we've so as we normally do, we're going to go through our list of basically all the
stuff that we have.
Yeah.
And kind of put them in an order that we think makes makes sense to us.
Yeah.
It's been a while since we've done a top 12.
Wow.
Well, let's start.

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I'll start with what's on my the first of my I think pretty much everything on your
list was on my list and then I had a few more.
So if there's not, let me know.
So I'll just start from the very top here.
All right.
Fuck it.
No, I'm not going to start from the bottom because I.
So first on the list and is the most recent and it's a pretty big one.

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It's the return of CM Punk.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's got it.
Yeah.
That's a perfect.
That's a perfect bar to start at because.
Yeah, that's both.
That's both a high.
That's a high bar, but it's also very fucking recent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just for last year.
So we got you know, it can have quite recency bias with that one because of its but but

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at the same time, you got to think here, you know, the the significance of it like he hasn't
hadn't been in the company for 10 years and no one ever thought he'd ever come back to
the WWE.
And here he is.
So yeah, I certainly did.
Twenty twenty three pre Survivor Series RW Hellborn certainly didn't think or want him

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to come back.
Yeah.
And then, you know, and then post Survivor Series, I think it was it was actually twenty
twenty four.
It took it took twenty four.
It took a few months.
Yeah, it took until the Royal Rumble until until his arm got broken or his tricep was
torn and like then they pivoted.
It took me a while, but I came around to the correct conclusion.

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And I'm sure we'll get to what we did last year as well with our kind of best of the
year.
But Drew McIntyre versus CM Punk, definitely a rivalry of the year contender right there.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
That is shit right there.
You know, I can't wait because this will be this is the first year that we'll have.
I know this is for a future episode, but like what this will be the first year that we have

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a full year.
Yeah.
A full year to look back on.
Back on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A broadcast.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So all right.
CM Punk.
Yeah.
All right.
We're going to.
So that's going to go plop right there in whatever number right now we'll decide, but we're going
to keep adding above or below it until we get 12 and then we'll keep adding and taking
out, I guess.
Yeah.
So next on my list is the shield debut from 2012.

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That was literally the thing I was going to try highlighted that as I was going to say
that as well.
So we had the we had a triple threat between Ryback, CM Punk and John Cena.
And lights go out and here come the shield.
Yeah.
So I should know lights didn't go out.
They just came over the bar.

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They came through.
Yeah.
There was no.
Yeah, they were just and they were just from NXT.
Yep.
Just some NXT guys.
Just some NXT guys.
Yeah.
I mean, this while it is.
This is more of a debut than a return.
This is a debut more than.
Yeah, this this would be considered debuts of what is specific.

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I mean, I guess what with moments I take them as and I think of them more as like what's
more significantly, you know, what's more historically significant?
Well yeah, because this is whereas the return of CM Punk is instantaneously monumental.
Yeah.
Their debut was only there was yet to be written.

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So yeah, at the time it meant at the time it meant nothing.
But if you now looking back, it's like one of the most important debuts of all time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, absolutely.
Because because we have Roman Reigns, we have Seth Rollins.
I mean, I know I know we can't be the only people thinking about it, especially when
we're looking at all of these debuts, returns, turns that we talked about on the Patreon

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at Patreon dot com slash punk song wrestling.
Yeah, yeah, cut out of this episode already.
Is there any is there any point in talking about John Moxley, Dean Ambrose return at
Survivor Series in this year?
No, I don't think we can.
Not yet.
But no, no.

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I mean, he's but that's common.
But that's common.
Yeah, some day.
I mean, right now, as it stands, he's involved in like a really big story time at story time.
I read the word time and I said story time.
He's involved in a really big storyline in in a W right now.
So yeah, that's not going to happen.
But it's but but we know.
But I think I think the what the involvement with Seth Rollins, the talks of this, the

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the history of Survivor Series and them.
Yeah.
You know, with this being their debut, it's an inevitability that it's an inevitability
that when he returns, if he returns, it would make the most sense to return at Survivor
Series.
Oh, yeah, of course.
Next year.
And yeah, because next year's war games could be easily a some a whole bunch of other people

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versus a whole bunch of other people.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and, you know, it could be it could be a W invasion of WWE by that point.
Who knows?
I know.
And it'll be which side is Dean Ambrose on?
Yeah, that's probably how they'd play it.
That's literally that is how.
Yeah.
Triple H.

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Should debut does that go above or below the CM Punk return?
I think I'm I lean on I lean on the the debut being more prominent than a return in this
case, and because because of how epic they're these all three of them and of course, and

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Roman Reigns most of all have become.
Yeah.
I think I think it's higher.
I think I think the debut is higher because of.
Because of all the possibilities.
I'd agree.
I think it's like when you look back at, you know, these are in all of these people's lives
that and careers, it's historical moments.
But if you're looking at Roman Reigns, one of the you know, he's a megastar.

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Yeah.
So, yeah, I think that's got to go above CM Punk is the debut of one of the it's the debut
of you know, of one of the wrestling icons.
So you know, and speaking and why don't we just draw it right back in right through tongue
tied.

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I was going to try to transition that a lot better, but I didn't rocks debut.
Cool.
OK.
Ball.
Ninety six because I mean, it's right there.
If we're going by the same token of what we just said, it has to be a bigger.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And at the same time, it's the shield debut.

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I know it's more recent, but it had more of an oomph to it.
They literally got involved in the main event, right?
Whereas the rock just made had a match against Goldust.
That's how to match with that.
And he beat him and he beat him with a shoulder breaker.
Yeah.
So with that, that's kind of dumps it down.

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Yeah, which put it that way.
So I almost put it that way with that.
Like you got to think like, yeah, this was it wasn't the rocket was rocky.
My via.
Yeah.
You had to go through a character change.
And like this isn't the rock like we know him now.
This was just a guy.
And with that, I would say it goes below the debut and below the CM Punk return.

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I agree 100 percent.
Yeah, you're right.
It absolutely does.
And it meant it meant nothing.
It meant like it was it was his debut and they touted it, but it but it didn't do any.
Nobody nobody cared.
Like they like the lineage of the Roman Reigns and Seth goes all the way back to their debut

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together at Survivor Series.
The lineage of the rock doesn't really go back to Rocky Maya via.
It kind of stops when Rocky Maya via stops and then starts again when he was the rock
in the nation.
So yeah, yeah.
I mean, I mean, of course it gets talked about like people.
Oh, yeah.
I don't ignore that it exists, but I just feel like I just feel like it's more of a trivia

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question answer than it is something that's too if you write.
That would be a that would be a WWE themed jeopardy question for people who aren't aren't
wrestling fanatics like right.
The common rock, you know, Dwayne The Rock Johnson first went by this name when he debuted
in WWE.

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You know that?
Yeah, that'd be that'd be a good jeopardy question.
Yeah, yeah.
It's got that kind of vibe to it.
So with that, it goes at the bottom of our three so far so far.
How about we just we just we'll go I'll go next and then you go next.
Yeah, there you go.
All right.
I've got the Undertaker returning in 2005 at the end of the five on five Survivor Series

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match where he gets carried out in a casket and then it gets hit by lightning.
It's set on fire and then he kicks the door off and he's inside a fucking standing up
on the fire casket.
It's the coolest shit.
It's up there.
It's my favorite Undertaker return because God knows there's loads of them.
It's just a cool visual.

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Is it a memorable moment?
Is historic?
No, but it's it looked cool.
Yeah, you're not wrong.
And crazy enough, I've completely forgot about that one.
Yeah, yeah.
It's obviously because Randy Randy had put Undertaker in a casket set on fire and he
was gone for a few months and this was his return coming out of a flaming casket casket,

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by the way, basically.
Right.
This was not this was not the time.
Yeah, Kane.
The time Kane did that was earlier.
Yeah.
OK.
So I mean, I would put it at the bottom of the list.
I could see this one slowly being kicked out as we go along.

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But yeah, well, yeah, let's put well, let's put it well, let's definitely put it under
the Rocks debut for now.
Yeah, because things were slowly feed out of the list.
So let's put that one there.
It's not a but it might also make it might also lead us to the necessitation.
I don't know if necessitation it is now.
I don't even it's a P.T.W. Yeah.

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P.T.W. Necessitation Award.
Like just just yeah.
Shit that we thought is cool, but like wasn't necessarily the most memorable, like the Rikishi
off the cage, which so yeah, some people online.
Well, first of all, it's blowing up again, which is great.
You have these Sir King of Reels.

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You have these these golden these golden reels that just continue.
Necessitation is a noun that means the act of making something necessary or unavoidable.
So they go.
It is a word.
They work.
They work quick.
The Internet works quick to make sure I'm right.

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Someone like I guess they were I guess they were questioning our judgment of it of that
being a.
Underappreciated moment or what?
Well, how do we put it like?
How did how did we put it?
I'm now I'm now I'm now I lost it.

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Underrated underrated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the word underrated moment.
And it was like they said something like it's not an underrated moment at all.
People just forget about it and aren't talking about it.
Like, well, that's it's in that precisely what that means.
Like I say that's underrated.
It's like it's it's like it's like a moment that shouldn't have been forgotten about.

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Basically, it's like it was fucking cool at the time.
And I think it's a kind of people were talking about for a few weeks, but then it was forgotten
about this.
It's like it shouldn't have been forgotten about.
I feel like.
Yeah, it's it just means even if even if by underrated, I mean, you scored it an 88 and
I think it's a 90.
That's still underrated.
It's underrated for what it for what it actually was.

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It doesn't mean for doesn't mean like forgotten or completely like.
Yeah.
Anyway, cool.
Well, that's at the bottom of the bottom of our list.
What's next on yours?
At the top of my list, Austin drops Triple H in the car.
Right.
And that's that's sort of like that's more of the moment.

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Like, yeah, that's another that's another like, holy shit to the Undertaker returning
kind of vibe.
Yeah.
So I remember this so much like it's so funny because Triple H was on Raw the next night
which is fucking hilarious.
Right.
Of course.
I don't know why the fuck they thought that was a good idea anyway.

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But for the moment itself, I mean, they had like a fucking 35 minute no disqualification
match which ended in a no contest because Austin tried to murder a guy.
Right.
But I mean, that's yeah, that is one of the most violent, probably the most violent potential
deaths in WWE.

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Yeah.
I mean, the next nearest thing would be when Hulk Hogan drove the truck into into the rock
when the rock was in the ambulance.
Remember that?
Oh, yeah.
There was a couple there was a couple of times when we had ambulance crash.
Yeah.
Or when when Kane had when Shane McMahon had Kane in the limo and he drove him underneath

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the fucking truck.
Yeah, that's right.
Cool like car moments in the W.E.
Well, actually, well, you know, we've got to.
We've got to get an automobile top 12, I think we really should.
We need to because there's another one that happened for Survivor Series two.
That's when Stone Cold got run over.
Yeah, exactly.
There's so many automobile automobile.
So where do both?
So both of these are involving Austin.

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Austin was involved in two automobile potential automobile homicides.
One he got he got hit in 99.
He tried to kill Triple H in 2000.
But where do those both land?
And I think the reason he was trying to kill Triple H in 2000 is because Triple H obviously
was the one that put the hit out on Austin and got Rikishi to do the running over.

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So that's right.
So he was trying to to get his own back this time, not by running him over, but by flipping
a fucking car.
Yeah.
Like this almost this almost as they tie in.
It's a what?
Yeah, it's a complete tie.
It's a Survivor Series a year long.
Storyline tie.
Yeah.
So I mean, we can kind of put it.

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I would put it together in that.
Oh, I don't know.
They're two very distinct moments.
Yeah, but but they but together they're put together.
It's one long storyline, a chain.
I tell you what I would do.
I would get rid of the Austin flipping Triple H's car, but I would put in I would put in

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the Austin being hit by the car.
I think that's more the debut, the debut of the storyline.
Yeah, the debut.
Yeah.
I mean, I get like this this storyline, I always compare to The Simpsons when when Mr.
Burns got shot because if they Mr. Burns got shot at the end of like the season or something
and then they they had a whole like who done it, who shot Mr. Burns.

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And this was a very similar thing.
It was like who ran over Austin and like it was a big thing for a whole year until we
had the famous I did it for the Rock.
I did it for the Rock.
I did it for the people.
I did it for the people.
Yeah.
Fuck that.
Your impressions are spot on.
Exactly.

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They are pristine.
They are.
So where do we put so where do we put I put this I put this above the Undertaker return
below below the Rock's debut.
I agree.
All right.
Yeah.
OK, cool.
All right.
My next.

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You go.
I have got quite a interesting one here.
I've got Helen Hart throws in the towel during Bret Hart versus Bob Backland.
Ninety ninety four.
I forgot about ninety ninety four.
Yeah.
So not much to say it.
But Helen Hart throws in the towel because Bob Backland's got Bret Hart and a crossface

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chicken wing.
That.
Yeah.
So this is this gives and this gives Bob Backland his like last quick run.
Yeah.
This is Bob Backland's last little run.
Yeah.
Before before diesel beats him at house show.
Right.
So they use once again they use Bob Backland which it this is interesting because this

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moment might not be I forgot about this but when you take it into consideration the history
of Bob Backland and the title.
Yeah.
Giving him another run and being the transitional champion that the Iron Sheik was beating Bob
Backland to move it to Hogan as they were trying to move it to diesel which obviously

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definitely failed.
It was a terrible idea.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean I don't know if diesel was a bad champion.
It just I don't remember any.
I don't remember much about that era.
I this was not I don't know.
Something about it was just not resonant diesel never really resonated with me.
Yeah.

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Never really cared for this moment though.
Everything that we've got on the list so far I put it at the bottom.
Great moment.
But you know.
Yeah.
I mean yeah.
Let's put it.
Let's keep it at the bottom because it's there.
Yeah.
Let's put it at the bottom.
Right.
So far we've got we got six.

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So we've nearly got twelve.
I was going to keep adding.
So what you are next.
OK we've got I have the top of my list is the is Andre the Giant being the first sole
survivor in 1998 as the 1988 1988.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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I mean that's that's a.
So this is a memorable but but it is significant in the fact it is significant for Survivor
Series because this is the first this is the first I mean so surviving in a classical Survivor
Series match is you know is is difficult.
It's difficult and only a few people have done it.

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So to be the first person to do it is kind of like being the first person to win the
Royal Rumble or be the king of the ring or whatever.
So it has its play.
It has its place in it has its place in the history.
Yeah right.
That's why I think it definitely deserves to be here at least on the list for now.
So yeah it would.

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That would be that would be the hard contender of our of our of our lucky 13 spot of like
the thing that Matt.
Yeah it kind of it's meaningful it deserves to be there but not doesn't really have a
place.
Yeah.
But we'll see where yeah we'll see where it lands.
But for now I'm putting it above the Helen Hart throws in the towel.
I'd still get more important than that.
So I'm putting it there.

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I would be I would even put it above the Undertaker return the 2015 return.
Yeah that's true.
I'd go with that.
All right.
Because it mainly because Undertaker also has all of his memorable a lot of memorable
moments.
Yeah he's got the debut in 1990 and his retirement in 2020.

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Exactly.
So a lot of Undertaker moments.
Yeah you should probably figure out where those lie.
Right.
So I am going to go with I'm just choosing them at random now.
I'm going to go with the first ever Elimination Chamber match in 2002.
Right.
Yeah.
So again very important moment for the WWE.

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Elimination Chamber is not not been a flash in the pan match.
It's been a it's been a staple since 2002.
Yeah.
So it fits in the it fit in the it fit in the theme of a surviving a match that you
had to survive.
Yeah exactly.
It wasn't a traditional you know it wasn't the traditional five on five or right for

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elimination exactly.
But that was during the I think that was one of let me correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll just I'll correct myself by just looking at it actually.
There was there was a few years when there wasn't any traditional survivor series match.
Yeah in the late 90s and then 1999 I'd say like 96 7 and 8 they didn't do any classical

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survivor series matches.
And then in that did and then in 1999 they went hardcore and they fucking did shit loads.
Right.
For some reason and then 2000 2000 2000 they didn't do any 2001 we had the invade like

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the end of the invasion angle.
Yeah.
And then 2002 again we didn't have any and then from 2003 onwards we had we had the series
matches back until they were like they were like they were raw over Smackdown.
Yeah for a long time.
Yeah.
Yeah they were brand brand supremacy matches.
Yeah.

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And then I think WWE was getting bored of the five the survivor series matches for a
while but just kept finding a reason to bring it back.
So I think the reasons to bring it back is because people kept whining and complaining
that they wanted them back.
And I think yeah that's and that's fine.
I think that's I think it's fine.
You've got to take it.
It was it was getting stale.
Yeah.

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And we know that they do this.
They will when something gets a little stale they switch it up they take they give it some
room and then bring it back when you know when everyone's ready for it.
Yeah.
So.
So what is.
So where do we put that.
Where do we put that as the debut of the debut.
I mean the debut of a new type of match is pretty significant especially one that's lasted

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the test of time too.
So that's it's now.
I would put this.
I'd actually put this just below the CM Punk return.
Yeah that's pretty.
Yeah I'd say this is pretty up there.
Yeah I think it's I think I never thought it would be that high.
But when you really think about it it's actually actually really important.
So cool.
Yeah you next.

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OK I'm just I'm just fixing my ordering here.
Whoops.
Oh we got we did Andre.
Double moment 2003 the buried alive match where it was it was Undertaker versus Vince

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McMahon.
Yeah.
And then of course and then we get the return of Kane.
Kane returns another return.
No not a return not a return.
Oh it wasn't.
Oh never mind.
So.
I'm wrong.
Kane was in the.
Kane was in an ambulance match against Shane earlier in the night.
Oh that's right.
Yeah yeah yeah.

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So what was it.
Wait did he win that match.
I don't remember.
There is a moment from that match which is on my list but which we'll get to later.
Yeah but I don't actually know.
I don't remember.
Anyway considering considering my lack of memory surrounding the the circumstances of

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it.
Yeah.
Kane Kane Kane won that match.
OK.
So he won this.
But were we were were we at the time surprised that he turned on Undertaker.
Was he supposed to be on his side and now he's caught.
Was this the beginning of corporate Kane.
No.
I think this was more of like basically they wanted to get back to Kane versus the Undertaker

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because this was the start of bringing back the dead man gimmick.
So who better.
Because this was bad.
Yeah so then come WrestleMania the year after WrestleMania 20.
That's when they bring back Paul Bearer and then we have came versus the Undertaker WrestleMania
once more.
But dead man versus Kane again.
So so this is a lot of it.

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This this has more to do with future storylines.
But I think it's it's it's definitely historically significant in the sense that it brought back
the dead man Undertaker that we all know and love.
Yeah.
So I'd I'd put it if I was looking at this list I'd probably put it.

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That's I guess yeah when you look at he's he what's the word.
He literally buried the the American badass gimmick.
Yeah right.
So I probably put this just above the Rockwinds debut and and below the elimination chamber

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or a bit lower maybe lower maybe between Austin getting run over and the Rocker's debut.
Yeah I like I like that.
I agree with that more.
Yeah let's put in there.
Yeah we should think you know what we should we should at least place these now in our
list.

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The the Undertaker's debut and the Undertaker retirement at 20 in 2020.
OK 30 years later now or I I think we can do that now.
I'm totally cool with that.
Yeah or I just do we give think of this the same way as the Stone Cold and like this is
one this is one universe.

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This is one huge moment of I think.
Well here's what I was going to say the Undertaker debut 100 percent should be in this list and
we should figure out a spot for that.
Yeah the Undertaker retiring.
I just doesn't go on this list.
Two reasons.
One.

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Well no because this was his last this was his last appearance as this guy this this
gimmick right.
Yeah but.
The I see his WrestleMania 40 moment last year when we were in attendance.
Yes we were as more of a significant moment for the ending of his career than the than

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the actual goodbye.
Second reason is because this goodbye happened in front of no fans.
It took away right the significance of it.
So yeah I 100 percent agree with you on that in everything about that.
So I think the Undertaker debut should 100 percent be on there.

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Yeah which which means yeah which means that retirement would it just won't make our list.
So there's no point writing it anywhere below.
We know it's not going to make it.
So yeah.
So the debut yet.
Where do we put.
I would.
Above the rock.
I mean I I would put him above the rock.
Yeah.
And again like I think so too because because the rock may be you know Dwayne Johnson might

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have a bigger career outside of wrestling as far as professional wrestling.
I mean yeah this is an iconic character that this is this is just such an iconic character.
I think it's bigger than the elimination chamber.
I would even put it I would even put it above the return of CM Punk.

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I mean honestly it's hard it's hard to say it's not above the shield debut right.
Like yeah I think you're right because the debut of the debut of the other.
Really let's look at this here like it's it's the debut of of one of the most.
I mean yeah he didn't make a name for himself outside of wrestling but the fact that he

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made a name for himself inside of rest of the wrestling the walls of wrestling and everyone
outside of wrestling knows who the undertaker is.
There's everything you need to know.
And like unlike the rocks debut like with that debut that character that he debuted as
is the one that he retired as and he also like literally dominated than that match too.

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So yeah I think it's it's got to go at the top.
It's one of the most famous debuts of all time period.
Yeah I think I think yeah I think it's a top moment for sure it's up it's up there now.
Yeah cool.
Look up.
I'm looking at the year of the sting 2014.

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Yeah 2014 was things debut.
Do we want to do we want to put that in.
I'm not putting that in because I just.
He's not going to make it's not going to make it's not going to make the list.
No it's just not.
Yeah I can see it.
We can put it in but it's going to quickly wean its way out 100 percent because I'm putting
it on bottom immediately.
Yeah no I know I agree with I agree with that.

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Yeah and that's and that's not it's just not it's not being.
There's no dig to sting like but I think it's just like if I'm doing this is like top moments
of our series it was a huge moment but it led to nothing really honestly.
So yeah it really didn't.
It was it was a vanity day.
Like yeah yeah.

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Cool I'm going to go with.
Fuck it.
That's fucking.
That's fucking go much more screw job.
Where are we putting that motherfucker.
The mantra yeah I mean.
Let's it's a tricky one.
It's definitely a tricky one because different to the rest because it's not a scripted moment.

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It's just pretty fucking.
Yeah right.
Yeah funny funny Joe.
Yeah I throw that one in there.
The mod I mean the Montreal screw job is the best is the best work ever done in professional
wrestling whether it was a work or not it's still the best work because.

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They made it work whatever whatever it was.
They made it work everybody.
We talk about that every time it comes up we talk about this.
There's no way it's not a work in my mind because everybody benefited from it from the

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perspective from the perspectives of what happened to each individual person after that.
Everyone benefited.
Bret Hart Bret Hart got to go to WCW with a big chip on his shoulder to get all the
WCW fans and anti WWE fans to give him this big fucking push.
And you know he did what he did and also fuck Goldberg for for ending Bret's career.

(40:47):
Another reason why there's nothing that nothing that Goldberg ever does will ever make any
of our list.
I just I will even though he be even though he beat Brock Lesnar at 84 seconds he doesn't
fucking matter.
That doesn't that doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Who fucking cares like fucking cares like I don't give a shit.
Who gives a shit about anything that Goldberg's ever done in WWE not me not me.

(41:11):
No no that's that's an RW Hellborn that's never going to die.
Who died that Hill.
I will die on that Hill.
Well wait what are we talking about here.
Oh oh we're talking about Montreal screw job.
What's your job.
Yeah of course.
Is it bigger than the Undertaker's debut.

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Is it bigger.
Because that's a moment.
But is it bigger than the debuts that made that made iconic characters.
I actually would put it between the Undertaker and the Shield debut.
But yeah I I'm not going to disagree with that because it because it is so big.
It is it is monumental.

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Because it's like I feel like I just feel like it's bigger than the Shield debut only
because I mean hey.
Yeah.
We've only seen 12 years of Seth and Roman like.
No it's got like 20 more years on those guys.
So yeah it certainly it.
Yeah I 100 percent agree with that.
So all right.
We'll pop it there.
So that gives us 11.

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So we've got one more spot to fill and then we can keep going and push.
Well we've got.
Well yeah we're just.
Yeah we're just.
Yeah.
Where you go for next.
What do I go for next.
Let's.
You know what.
This is one of those that I that unfortunately is going to get pushed on next.
There's not there is not a lot of female like representation in survive in these survivor

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series.
There isn't.
You're right.
And I know that too.
Yeah.
I've got a couple.
Now I got one.
One of them was the team NXT win.
Cool.
Yeah I had that one.
The women's triple threat one.
I think that's I think that's big.
I think it's big enough to be to be a contender on the list because that was the first time

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it was the first time NXT was being represented in Survivor Series.
I believe.
Yeah.
I believe it was.
Yeah.
It was the it was the NXT Smackdown Raw triple five five five five five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is and this was like and this was peak black and gold era.

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It was.
Yeah.
I think that one would have to look it up.
What year is that?
Who does 19 2019 that was we had.
Let me see.
We had to do five on five women's Survivor Series.
That was team NXT.

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Rhea Ripley, Bianca, Candice, Leray, Eosha and Eosha.
I told you Storm versus Team Raw.
Charlotte Flair, Natalia, Oscar, Kyrie, Sane and Sarah Logan.
First, Team Smackdown, Sasha Banks, Carmella, Dana, Brooke, Lacey Evans and Nikki Cross.
The other men's five on five on five.
Severus was Team Smackdown, Roman Reigns, Braun Strowman, King Corbin, Mustafa Ali and

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Shorty G verse team Raw, Seth Rollins, Drew McIntyre, Kevin Owens, Randy Orton and Ricochet
and team NXT to Masa Champa, Danny Miam, Priest, Matt Riddle, Keith Lee and Walter.
Wow.
Wow.
That's a who's who of.
Look at that.
This Survivor Series Survivor Series 2019, which we have not done what we didn't.

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We have to pick our review review today, too, don't we?
We do.
Yeah, we do.
God, I hope we get this one because this is a good one.
This was a great.
I remember this show.
It's a fucking brilliant show.
We had Adam Cole versus Pete Dunn, man.
We had Daniel Bryan versus Bray Wyatt.
Yeah, there was all the triple threat matches when all the champions.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was great.
This was this was also promoted.
Excuse me.
This was one of the ones promoted on WWE's top list of moments.
I guess I just feel like I feel like it's worth a mention because well, I'm going to
highlight.

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Oh, go ahead.
I'm going to put it.
Because now we've got a 12, so I'm going to put it at number which would be number 10.
So just above Undertaker returns in a burning casket and below, Andre becomes the first
ever sole survivor.
Oh, got it.
All right.
There was a fighter.
Oh, shit.
What's that?

(45:27):
Where are we putting this?
Just below, Andre becomes the first ever sole survivor.
OK, yep.
I like that.
I mean, I.
Yeah, it's I mean, it is it is unfortunately just because I feel like it's hard to put

(45:54):
it above anything else because we're just because yeah, it is just the it is it is what
it is.
Yeah, it is where it is.
All right.
Right now, right.
We have a 12, but now I've still got I've still got a couple on the list that I think
the same.

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I got a few more to.
So I definitely think some could be pushed out.
So I will go with Seamus cashes in on Roman in 2015.
Yeah, that was that was big.
That was memorable for SummerSlam.
So I think it was the Survivor Series.
Yeah.

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Memorable for Survivor Series.
I think I think that was the only time a Money in the Bank cash in happened.
Yeah, you might be right.
Yeah, yeah.
I think you are.
Yeah.
It it's a great moment, but I don't know if it's.

(46:56):
I don't know if it's worthy of maybe going on this list.
Roman Reign did just beat Dean Ambrose for the vacant World Championship, and he obviously
held that championship for what minutes?

(47:18):
And then Seamus defeats him.
Yeah, but I mean, that's what I mean, that's what the money in the bank is for.
You're supposed to.
Yeah, I guess it because the confetti coming down and everything like that.
I won't put it on the list.
I don't I don't think it's it.
You don't think it doesn't outperform Helen Hart throwing in the towel or I mean, I'm
the only reason I'm putting in because I feel like other things on the list will will push

(47:41):
Helen Hart out.
Sorry, Helen.
Yeah, that's yeah.
All right.
I mean, yeah.
So we'll leave it for now.
But how about you give us another one?
Kurt Angle's 1999 debut.
Where do we want to where do we want to add that?
I mean, it wasn't it wasn't a great debut.
Yeah, I it's.

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That's the end.
I mean, this is kind of debut is even more even less spoken about than the Rocks.
Yeah, because it was just a matter.
It was what was let's find out where that was in 1990.
In 1999.
Yeah, it was against Sean Stasiak.
First match, second match of the night.

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Yeah, it just wasn't that.
It was just a debut.
It wasn't a like it's a debut is like it's the debut of of someone who would end up having
an amazing career.
Therefore I do feel like it does certainly deserve to be on the list.

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But I wouldn't put I wouldn't put it as high as the other debuts.
I'd probably I wouldn't even put it as high as the shield debut for sure.
I would probably put it just below the NXT women's team winning.
That.
Yeah.
OK.
That low.
Yeah.
I mean, what do you think?
I mean, I don't I it's hard for me to put the this is this kind of this gets weird because

(49:15):
I feel like it's I feel like his debut at least is more important than Stone Cold getting
run over by a car.
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
You're totally right on that.
Yeah, I feel like it's got it.
I feel like it's got to be somewhere.
It makes.
Yeah.
How about how about.

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But maybe right.
Right.
No.
How about right above that?
I think I think you're right.
I think we're under we're not giving Kurt Angle enough credit.
He was one of the greatest.
Yeah.
It really was.
He really was freaking phenomenal.
And I think that's yeah, I think it deserves to be up a little higher there.
All right.
Cool.
So kind of just above Austin getting run over and then that.

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Sorry, Helen.
But I'm thrown in the towel on you.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Cool.
I am going to go with another Kurt Angle moment and that angle helps the team WWE beat the
Alliance at Survivor Series 2001.

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OK.
Oh, yeah.
2001 Alliance.
So again, you know, not a great storyline, but a cool moment in itself.
It's a turn.
It's a it's a it's a turn.
You know, it's a yeah, yeah, it's a turn.
It's a turn.

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It also is.
It ends.
It ends the invasion angle.
It puts it puts that it finally ends that puts the whole thing to bed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I'm looking at the list and like the only thing it could possibly out be is the
Undertaker's burning casket return.

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You think?
I mean, OK, this is.
This is this is also where let me think about let's think about what the what this signified,
what this angle actually signified.
If everything would have been the best it possibly could have been, this was the try.
This was the final nail, the triumphant win of WWE over WCW.

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Yeah, that was what that's what this well, my microphone really that was weird.
Yeah, this this signifies, you know, the very, very end of WCW and ECW like.
Yeah.
But I.
OK, for that significance, you're completely right.

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But like you say, it ended what was an underwhelming storyline, meaning it took away from the moment
in the sense that it's a great moment in itself.
Yeah.
And the crowd, the power, the crowd popped for it and it was amazing moment.
But does it go above anything on our list?

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I I want to look at it from the perspective of of what it means to survive our series.
Right.
That's that's and that's and that's I guess a better a better judge of it.
And I and I feel like I feel like giving it what it's at least a little bit of a credit

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for what it could have been, you know, right.
Because there because there's a lot of things we could think about when it comes to what
could have been on this list.
Oh, yeah.
100 percent.
100 percent.
So I think I I don't want to put I I hate pushing anything else down further, but I

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think it I think it means more to survive a series than than even than even Andre the
giant being the sole survivor, at least.
Maybe I get where it has.
Yeah.
I mean, I could see what you mean.
But but but we could we could come in the middle.
We could be in the middle.
I'd say how about above just above the NXT women's team winning in 2019.

(53:13):
OK.
Yeah.
I hate I hate to put I mean, I do.
I hate to put that any further because it's really on the because it's pretty much on
the on the edge now.
Yeah.
Well, that pushes out pushes out the Undertaker.
Yeah.
So that's gone.
Yeah.
Cool.
What we go next.

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I've got I've got the 1998 rock winning his first title.
Cool.
Yeah, I've got that, too.
But I don't think this makes the list.
Me neither.
Because the match because of all the it was just a mess.
It was a mess.
It was a copy of the Montreal Screwdrop.
Yeah.
And that kind of taints it a little bit.

(53:57):
It's significant.
The fact that it's it's the Rocks first title win.
But at the same time, he had much more bad title wins to come.
And yeah, I think he's I think he's and I think his debut being high up on higher up
on the list is good enough.
Yeah.
Or him.
I don't think I don't think it makes the list.
But I got I got two more.
I got Paul Heyman turning on Brock Lesnar 2002.

(54:20):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Would you put that there anywhere?
I don't I don't think I don't think it does.
I don't think it makes it.
Yeah.
Top 12.
Same.
I think again, like it was a cool moment.
You didn't expect it.
But we all know that, you know, Paul and Brock end up getting back together anyway.
So it's it was kind of like a story that went nowhere.

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So it was it was shocking.
The shock of the time.
Yeah.
But yeah, but it didn't stand the test of time.
Yeah.
And my very last one is Shane jumping from the ambulance on to Kane and the right.
Yeah.
I mean, good spot, but good spot.
But I don't even think replayed a lot.
But again, it doesn't it doesn't really overcome anything else on this list.

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I don't think.
Yeah, we really don't have it.
We really don't.
There's very few actual spots.
Yeah.
I mean, well, no, that's actually well, there's there's I guess angles.
Angle turning on the alliance is a spot.
It's a turn, but it's also a spot.
It's a thing that.
Yeah.
But it's more storytelling than it was like a spot in the match.
So Stone Cold getting run over is run run over.

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Rund over, run over.
My P.A. is my P.A. is showing.
Six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
I mean, we got 12.
There's 12.
We're right there with a mystery with.
Well, yeah, we'll talk about we'll talk about it when we get there because because it can't

(55:50):
this is this is our time.
This is our top 12 of of of of of moments that happened.
Yeah.
What's your what's your caveat?
My caveat, my caveat.
Well, we'll get to the caveat because there's there's moments that could have been there's
a world there's a world in which we don't live in.

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But I do.
But I visit sometimes in my in my dreams and, you know, well, you dive over in these moments.
There's a moment.
This would have been this would have been the number one moment of the podcast of our
list if it had happened.
Regardless, would would have been the match that should have happened between WWE champion

(56:34):
Jinder Mahal and Universal champion Brock Lesnar.
That didn't happen, that didn't happen because somebody was fucking hindering the Jinder
till the very end.
I did.
You know what Jinder was on Chris Van Vliet's podcast.

(56:56):
Yeah, he talked about he did talk about whatever he talked about there is probably.
Yeah.
And I can't remember what he said.
We'll have to we'll have to get back to that.
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
I'm finding out right now.
I'm finding out right fucking now.
Oh, there you go.
He didn't refuse.
I just think he was probably pitched for a match with AJ because stylistically, it's

(57:20):
a match that's much better.
Me and Brock were both heels.
Who's going to put heat on who is going to be a flat match.
It would have just been him suplexing me a bunch of times.
Maybe the Singh Bros get involved with the match.
He had with AJ was phenomenal.
No pun intended.
So, yeah, I don't think it was that he refused to work with me.
I just think that Brock had to pull him and had.

(57:40):
Sorry, I just think Brock had some pull and him and Poham and probably said, hey, we should
talk to Vince and said book the match with AJ Styles, which is OK.
So I think he was like, I was not.
It's like a dud.
And it would have been, you know, I guess it would have been a dud.
You know, it would have been the greatest fucking match ever.

(58:03):
That would not have been a dud.
Jinder Mahal would have shown the world what he's capable of.
I still think that match should happen.
I think Jinder Mahal still thinks that match should happen someday.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Maybe it could in an alternate world.
It did.
And Jinder Mahal won.

(58:26):
And it would have been the number one thing on our top 12 list, but it's not going to
have to deal with that, I guess.
So OK, so we've got our list, got our list, we got our list, got our list.
We got a list, get a real back from real back from fantasy and get back to reality.

(58:46):
The reality is all right.
We have one by one.
Yeah, you've got yours in order as well.
I got mine in order.
Yeah.
All right.
I've got to be in order by year and then what it was.
Cool.
All right.
I'll start.
So we got twenty nineteen's series NXT Women's Team Defeat the Raw and Smackdown's team.

(59:08):
Yep.
Two thousand and one Angle.
Kurt Angle turns on the Alliance winning it for Team WWE.
We got 1988.
Andre the Giant becomes the first ever sole survivor.
Yeah.
The number nine is number nine is from 1999.

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Stone Cold gets run over.
By Rikishi for Triple H for the Rock.
He did it for the Rock.
He did it for the Rock, but also for Triple H who paid it.
Number eight also 1999 Kurt Angle's debut.
Look at that.
Look at 1999 coming in strong with two two spots.

(59:49):
It's the thing is the only one that had two entries as well.
I believe so.
Yeah.
Number three we've got Kane burying the biker Undertaker gimmick pretty much.
Number six we got the 1996.
Look at that.
We did it again.
Yeah.
Holy shit.

(01:00:10):
The Rock wins his debut against Goldust with a shoulder breaker with a shoulder breaker
with a shoulder breaker.
He might have broke his shoulder.
He probably I mean he did.
He brought he must have broken his shoulder.
That's why he couldn't kick out.
He couldn't lift it.
That's why it's called a shoulder breaker.
Number five.

(01:00:30):
That's you.
Oh, the five first ever elimination chamber from 2002.
There we go.
Shawn Michael.
That was also that was Shawn Michaels beating Triple H.
Yeah.
Winning the world.
Winning the world championship.
Yes.
His first I guess that was his I think that was his first world.
The first world title and his first and his last kind of world any world championship

(01:00:53):
at that point.
Number four from 2023 last year CM Punk returns WWE.
Cool.
Twenty twelve.
Twenty twelve.
Number three.
The shield debut also involving CM Punk and Ryback.
Number two.
Ninety nine seven.

(01:01:14):
The Montreal Screwjerk.
The greatest work in WWE history.
I mean wrestling history.
Which leaves us to number one.
You know it is it's yeah it is legendary.
It is unmistakable.
The debut of The Undertaker changed professional wrestling.

(01:01:37):
You know the things that he did in his career are unquestionably just everything his career
that spans 30 years.
Yeah.
Just nothing sure of incredible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's just so much there.

(01:01:58):
There's nothing else.
There's nothing else bigger than that.
They can't know that that character that character surpasses every other moment.
Exactly.
Yeah man.
So there it is.
There we go.
That's our top twelve.
Yeah our top twelve.
So I think the only thing we got left to do now we got to pick our review.
Yeah so I was just looking there have been thirty six no sorry thirty seven Survivor

(01:02:23):
Series in the past.
Thirty seven.
So we need to roll something.
So are you both rolling a twenty.
Yeah let's both let's both roll a twenty.
All right.
We'll see what we get.
Cool.
You have yours.

(01:02:43):
Yep two seconds.
All right.
We'll roll at the same time.
All right.
Three three two one roll.
Go.
That is a six for me.
Six and I got a 19 so 25.
All right 25 Survivor Series 25.
That is 2011 from Madison Square.

(01:03:07):
John Madison Square.
John John Cena.
That's so fucking good.
Madison Square Garden in New York City.
We've got John Cena in the Rock verse.
Awesome truth.
Oh yeah we do.
What we got the main event.
Yep we got Dolph Ziggler versus John Morrison for the United States Championship.

(01:03:27):
We got Beth Phoenix versus Eve Torres in a lumber jill match for the Divas Championship.
But team Barrett Cody Rhodes Dolph Ziggler.
So again.
Cody Rhodes Dolph Ziggler Jack Swagger and who Nicko and Wade Barrett who Nicko yeah shit
versus Tim Morton Randy Orton Kofi Kingston Mason Ryan Seamus Wow Cara.

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Yeah wow.
We got the big show versus Mark Henry in a singles match.
Singles match for the World Heavyweight Championship.
CM Punk versus Alberto Rio for the WWE Championship and yeah the Rock and John Cena versus the
awesome truth.
How in the world.

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Now we've got a really bad one.
Wow but but the fact that the Miz and just just our truth being in the main event of
Survivor Series is phenomenal.
I cannot wait to find out how this happened.
I like I'm just I'm shocked.
I know how it happened but we but we can get there.
I don't know.

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Yeah we'll we'll yeah we'll get there when we talk about it next week.
Yeah.
All right man.
Holy shit.
Oh I guess we got to do shout outs.
Got to do shout outs.
Shout out to Wikipedia support Wikipedia.
That is where we get most of the information for all this stuff.
I also used you know what I'm going to I'm going to say I also use chat GPT.

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No to to look up some of the most talked about storylines leading up to Survivor Series
this week which we talked a little bit about on our Patreon.
Patreon.com slash punk stock wrestling.
You just have to subscribe to it to get all the stuff that's on there.
You can interact with us on social media Instagram and threads at punk stock wrestling.

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There is YouTube and there is a Facebook at punk stock wrestling.
There's an email at punk stock wrestling at gmail.com.
I guess that's it then.
I think that's it.
Yeah.
Oh shout out to Al 2K and Kaylee 2K UK WWE 2K 24 star your legacy step into the story.
Do we try to say that quicker.

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No no no I didn't think so.
All right I think we're actually done now though.
I think so.
So see you later.
All right bye.
Wait no you said bye.
Oh you did I was talking I was saying bye over you sorry.
Yeah I said bye.
My bad.
Okay bye.
I was just talking over you again man.
Try that again bye.

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Speaking of Ryback did you see there was something he was actually right about something.
Yeah I know he had a rare win.
I saw that.
He had a rare win like everybody everybody was commenting it's just like a rare Ryback
win about I forget what it was.
It was about wrestlers having time off.

(01:06:49):
Oh about time oh yeah about wrestlers having time off.
Because they were like they were they recorded an episode of roar or something.
That's right yeah.
Hey man I mean.
Hey you know when you're right you're right.
When you're right you're right but mostly you are wrong.
Mostly you're Ryback you know but hey if this is a if we're getting if we get a turn of
Ryback like coming back to being a you know a guy that people don't just want to shit

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on for saying don't shit on.
WWE will never hire that guy ever again.
There's no chance in hell Ryback.
No but.
He's literally accused Triple H of having an affair with Katelyn.
That's true.
He's just said some pretty inflammatory stuff.
So I'm really surprised.
I'm really surprised.
I am shocked he really hasn't made it to AEW though somehow.

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I don't know why.
But the thing is he used to be really good friends with Daniel Bryan and that's got to
tell me that even him and Daniel Bryan don't speak anymore.
He did.
I mean I know he I know he said some stuff that people would laugh about on the internet
for for reason you know some of it for good reasons and some of it's a little you know
some of it's on the line.
Yeah but like I'm really just shocked that he hasn't done anything in wrestling since

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it like I don't get it.
I just because I think anyone wants to hire him.
I think he's a liability.
So he's just.
Oh that's right because he's terribly unsafe and sandbag people all the time.
That's right.
I forgot about that.
I forgot about that part.
I forgot about that part.
Everyone hates him.
Number two 1997 the Montreal screw job.

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Birdams
you