November 6, 2025 • 15 mins
In this episode Martin and Craig dig into real faith, real challenges, and real victory — equipping you to stand firm in truth, lead with wisdom, and live with unshakable purpose.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Calling men of all ages from Boston, Massachusetts,
all the way to San Diego, andeverywhere in between.
Welcome to the Purpose MenPodcast.
Disgusting of all things to helpus live a life of godly purpose.
(00:25):
Ten minutes at a time.
Here are your hosts, Martin andCraig.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Everybody, welcome to the Purpose Men Podcast.
We're your host, I'm Martin.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
I'm Craig.
Hey Craig.
It's been a couple weeks, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
It feels like it anyway.
I think it was actually, what isit, two weeks ago?
SPEAKER_02 (00:47):
Yeah, it was two weeks ago.
Yeah.
I was uh I was out of I was outof the state for about five days
uh in Illinois.
So it's been a while since I'vebeen to Illinois.
It's a little bit different.
A lot of cornfields, uh a littlebit colder.
So I know we had a heat waveover here in California, so that
was uh that was interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Yeah.
Just living the dream.
What were you doing out inIllinois?
SPEAKER_02 (01:06):
Yeah, so visiting uh uh our oldest kid, and he got
married, so that was nice.
So we got to be there.
Oh, nice when he did theproposal and the whole nine yard
and meet the future in-laws.
So it was uh it was fun, it wasexciting.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
That is exciting.
That is exciting, but I guesshe's staying out there now.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
He's staying out, he's been working out there for
a couple years, and uh he likesit, so yeah, I think he'll be
there for at least a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah.
What a what a treat to be outthere for that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
Well, men, today we're here talking about
standing firm.
And you know, um there'snumerous ways we can do that.
There's a lot of differentavenues.
We need to stand firm ineverything we do.
When we first started discussingthis this idea, this podcast, I
was thinking focusing strictlyon standing firm in love.
(01:57):
Uh, but then you brought up, youknow, standing firm and other
avenues as well.
And so my conversation might bemore focused on love, but what
did you have?
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Yeah, so so even before I answer that, so it's
interesting, you know, what wayback in the day in school, um,
you know, I I was a wrestler,and uh, man, I wrestled nonstop,
you know, year round, and Iloved it.
But you know, it's funny, itdoesn't matter how good you get
or how many moves you know, youknow, I was thinking, you know,
as we were talking, if yourstance isn't right, it's over,
(02:27):
right?
So it always goes back to that.
You know, even in sports, youyou have to, or let's say if I'm
an offensive lineman, right?
You gotta have that right.
If you don't have that partright, nothing else works.
You know what I mean?
So as a believer, you know, I II think of you know, of you
know, us, you know, our stance,what we stand on, we have to
(02:47):
have that right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Well, and it's so great you say that, because what
are we standing on?
And it's the firm foundation,that's the key.
It's really the foundation thatwe're standing on.
And then it turns into how do westand on that foundation?
Of course, the foundation isJesus Christ, but how do we
stand on that?
And this is where we get intowhat we're what we're talking
(03:09):
about.
SPEAKER_02 (03:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
So what you got?
Well, okay, so I was reading abook recently, and uh it was by
Joby Martin, and I believe it'suh stand firm, act like men,
stand firm in the faith.
Something to that accord.
I probably should have becomeprobably should have come a
little more prepared.
(03:32):
But anyway, they were talkingabout he was talking about one
of the chapters was about love,and uh, we we all know men.
1 Corinthians 13 is consideredthe love chapter.
You hear it at most weddings,recited, you know, something
such as love is patient, love isnot, uh love is kind, it does
not envy or boast, it is notarrogant or rude.
(03:55):
Um but you know what reallystruck me is how do I love?
And what I mean is is it um am Iintentional with it?
You know I love that word,right?
Is it intentional in my lovingor am I just flipping and going
(04:16):
about you know, like kind ofkind of meandering wherever it
takes me, you know?
Uh and a perfect example iswell, uh let's say a win I
noticed recently.
This was after I read this book,and it was just it was much very
much on my mind.
Got on the freeway, and therewas a little jam up.
(04:37):
It was early in the morning,there's not a lot of traffic,
but this one guy should havegotten over, so I thought, to
get out of the oncomingtraffic's way, or merging
traffic's way.
And he rode right up to thisother guy, finally gets over,
and so I proceed to but he's notreally going that fast, so I
come around him, and then butwhen I passed him, you know, got
(04:57):
out, I was in his lane when Ipassed him, I was I was pretty
close.
You know, I'm not pretty close,but a few feet away, and that's
nothing for me.
But I immediately I wasconvicted of like, what am I
doing?
Like, just because like he's notdriving the way I want, totally
unloving behavior, because itcould have scared him.
Looked in the mirror, I'm comingpast him and moving out of his
(05:20):
lane abruptly.
So immediately I repented, and Isay that's a win because usually
like we were talking about twoweeks ago, we are to examine
ourselves to see if we're in thefaith, and where did we line up?
Is it the fruit of the spiritthat we're mostly finding?
And that wasn't, but the factthat I noticed it so quickly was
(05:46):
it was a pretty uh I don't wantto say proud moment, but it was
something like, hey, you know,it's like the you know, like
you're being intentional, thisis working, you know.
Anyway, I I could go on, but no,I I like it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
I like it.
I I'm gonna do just a little,I'm gonna do a little, a little
bit of a different take.
So when I when I look on stance,I'm gonna go on uh being able to
stand on the word and know theword, right?
Because if you don't even knowthe word, then there's a
problem, right?
Absolutely.
You're gonna be you how how canyou stand on it if you don't
even know it?
Yes.
But I'm gonna kind of go to 1Peter 3.15, you know, where it
says, always be ready to give adefense to anyone who asks you
(06:23):
for an account for the hope andconfident assurance that lies
within you.
So, like when you think aboutit, like it, you know, you have
to know the word.
You you everything rests onthat.
So, so how can you stand pat orstand fast if you don't even
know the word?
And I'm gonna give you anexample, and I'm gonna try to be
very careful as as I'm givingyou this example.
(06:45):
You know, not long ago, we werehaving dinner with a with a
couple and we're kind oftalking, and then they were
talking about their church, andthen they were sharing how, you
know, the one thing they didn'tlike was their pastor was
political.
So I'm like, oh, this isinteresting.
So I'm just like listening andthinking.
And in my mind, I don't mindpastors being political.
I think the Bible is political.
I think you know what I mean.
It's not where there's certainareas that are off topic.
(07:08):
We should uh measure every areabased off the word.
There's no area that shouldn'tbe measured by the word.
So I don't believe that certainareas should be left out.
I think that um, you know,everything should um, you know,
be measured up.
But so, anyways, we're kind ofhaving this discussion, and then
they they told me the area thattheir pastor went, and I just
was so blown away and I wasshocked, and I was like, you
(07:30):
know, how can this be?
You know, you're a pastor, youyou should you should know the
word.
Yeah, like what does the wordsay about the topic A, B, C, D,
E, and F.
And then uh they brought up uhone particular um you know area,
and they basically and it was itwas sin, clearly it's sin, and
they said, Well, that, you know,that that that was for you know
(07:50):
a different time.
It's now new time.
No.
No.
So so there there was a momentright there where you know,
obviously I could have just notsaid anything and just been
quiet where it was a littleawkward, but uh listen, I'm
gonna stand on the word, and Iknow my word, and when somebody
is, you know, taking you knowour father's word out of
context, I think as men we we weneed to correct that.
(08:13):
Yeah.
So in this in this area, I didexactly what uh, you know, uh in
First Peter where you know, andI try to do it in love, where I
I reason through the scriptureshow the sin was not only in the
old days, but here's where, youknow, and for in you know, in
Romans 1 and in these otherareas, this is where it's even
in the New Testament where it'sstill sin.
(08:34):
Sin is sin, right?
It it's not a it's not a thingwhere it was only sinned during
this period and not during thatperiod.
So it's just very interesting,but I think that, you know, um I
really feel like, especially asmen, and not to say that, you
know, only men should know theword because we should all know
the word, but I think it's justvery, very important because how
can you stand fast on anythingif you don't know the word?
SPEAKER_01 (08:57):
Well, yeah, it's true, and you know, the
foundation being Jesus Christ isthe word becoming flesh.
And so, you know, it is one ofthose things where we as men, it
is our duty to be the leaders ofour household, and so knowing
the word, we set the example andwe set the tone.
Are we up giving our time, youknow, our free time to spending
(09:20):
time in the word?
And is that example known orseen by your family?
So it is key, you know, we mustknow the word.
Uh but I mean I love it.
I love the ability to to usethat, and everything must be um
weighed through Scripture'seyes, right?
You can't I I suppose peopleattempt to, you know, well, this
(09:44):
is a different time.
But this is this is someone thatbelieves that some of the things
in the Bible are true.
So now you're picking andchoosing what's true, so if
that's the case, throw the wholething away.
You know, which now segues backinto this point of loving people
because it's easy to seesomebody, and these are God's
(10:05):
children, mind you.
Jesus died on the cross for themdoesn't mean they may not be uh
deceived in a way, but there'scertainly hope for them, and so
I started praying this prayer,and I know you know this story,
but I had a work partner, it wasjust him and I, and we spent a
lot of hours together, and itwas sometimes frustrating, you
(10:27):
know, for the both of us.
I'm not I'm I'm not an innocentparty in this.
But um I started praying daily,Lord help me love him the way
you love me.
And that this was a number ofyears ago.
Well, I say a number, probablythree or four years ago, I
started praying this prayer, andhe has since retired.
But man, talk abouttransformative life I mean
(10:48):
relationship with him and I, butalso with other people.
Like I my my grace for others isso much greater because of that.
And that is through, you know,you know, reading the word,
knowing the word, praying theseprayers, seeing what Jesus did
for us.
He he loved us uh you know, whenwe were unworthy, dying on the
(11:12):
cross, a horrific death for usto be set free.
And so how am I any better thansomeone that I don't necessarily
agree with?
Our flesh would say, Well, I'lltell you how, but ultimately
they are worthy of love, andthat has been massively
transform transformative for me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
Yeah, it's a good point.
You know, you think back whenyou know when when Christ did
die and he had to take thatpenalty that you and I deserve,
you know, it should get to thepoint where you know it's it's
offensive.
You know, it's offensive.
Now when we look at sin, sinshould be offensive to us.
You know what I mean?
Because he had to go throughthat.
There was no circumventing that.
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There had to be a price that waspaid.
That is a great right, and heloved us so much he paid the
price.
So for us a sugarcoat, you know,what actually put him up on that
cross, I think it'd be a littleoffensive.
I know that's a word that inthis in this day and age we like
to throw it around.
Yeah.
But truly, I think it gets tothe point where that could be
very, very offensive.
SPEAKER_01 (12:10):
And ultimately, that's that's a really good
point.
There was a there's a pastor, awell-known pastor, that says his
prayer for he probably stillpraying his prayer, God give me
the desire.
Well, maybe the desire is notthe right word, but hate let me
hate what you hate and love whatyou love, and sin is what he was
talking about.
I want to hate sin so much thatit sickens me to do it.
(12:31):
And that is a bold prayer,right?
Because most people, you know,it's like they uh a lot of it
they don't even realize they'rebeing sinful, which is what we
touched on two weeks ago.
Are we even aware of ourbehavior?
You know, because most peopleare are doing what we're doing
and going on about our livesbecause we're not intentionally
checking on how we're doing,like taking our temperature, so
to speak.
(12:52):
And it it was but man, that issomething when he says, and he
says it so passionately, it'slike his name is Philip Anthony
Mitchell out of 2811 Church, Ithink.
He says he says, um I want tohate sin.
And the way he says it, youknow, he he the way he says it
is so powerful, like, yeah, Iwant to hate sin too.
And so I do pray that prayer.
(13:13):
So we're waiting baby steps onthat one, but but yes, to let
someone twist scripture, theythey need to be uh to sit there
and you really shouldn't.
I commend you for standing upfor God because that's what
you're doing.
You're not going to speak aboutJesus that way.
You know, and it's deception.
You know, these were churchmembers, is that right?
(13:34):
Yeah.
So it was they were deceivedbecause and we're back to this,
because they don't know theword.
Yeah.
If you don't know the word, youcan be sold anything.
Oh yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
You know, it and then there's the thing that I
always say that there's twotypes of people.
You know, there's there'sthere's ones that are
thermometers, and there's onethat's thermostats.
You know, and the differencebetween the two is one reads a
temperature, one sets it.
So I here's just a littleencouragement.
Like be that man that setstemperature.
You set it in love, you set itby knowing your word.
(14:04):
Sometimes you got to lovinglycorrect.
But but but but raise thestandard, set the temperature
when you walk in a room, or whenyou walk in your home, or when
you walk in your employment, orwherever you walk into, be that
guy that's gonna raise the bar,set the temperature, you know
what I mean, and make an impactand influence through love, um,
you know, through knowing theword and through through many,
(14:24):
many, many other areas.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I would say integrity as well that comes to
mind.
Um, but yes, greatencouragement.
Great encouragement.
So we'll see you next week, men.
SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
It was great speaking with you guys.
Have an amazing week.
Hey, be sure to visit us uh atpurposemenpodcast.com.
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Share the podcast with yourfriends.
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So, Craig, for sure.
Till next week.
SPEAKER_01 (14:52):
I'm Craig.
And I'm Martin.
SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
See you soon.
We're out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:59):
Thanks for listening to the Purpose Men Podcast.
Be sure to visit us on the webat www.purposemenpodcast.com for
some super cool stuff.
Calling men of all ages from Boston, Massachusetts,
all the way to San Diego, andeverywhere in between.
Welcome to the Purpose MenPodcast.
Disgusting of all things to helpus live a life of godly purpose.
(00:25):
Ten minutes at a time.
Here are your hosts, Martin andCraig.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Everybody, welcome to the Purpose Men Podcast.
We're your host, I'm Martin.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
I'm Craig.
Hey Craig.
It's been a couple weeks, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
It feels like it anyway.
I think it was actually, what isit, two weeks ago?
SPEAKER_02 (00:47):
Yeah, it was two weeks ago.
Yeah.
I was uh I was out of I was outof the state for about five days
uh in Illinois.
So it's been a while since I'vebeen to Illinois.
It's a little bit different.
A lot of cornfields, uh a littlebit colder.
So I know we had a heat waveover here in California, so that
was uh that was interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Yeah.
Just living the dream.
What were you doing out inIllinois?
SPEAKER_02 (01:06):
Yeah, so visiting uh uh our oldest kid, and he got
married, so that was nice.
So we got to be there.
Oh, nice when he did theproposal and the whole nine yard
and meet the future in-laws.
So it was uh it was fun, it wasexciting.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
That is exciting.
That is exciting, but I guesshe's staying out there now.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
He's staying out, he's been working out there for
a couple years, and uh he likesit, so yeah, I think he'll be
there for at least a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah.
What a what a treat to be outthere for that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
Well, men, today we're here talking about
standing firm.
And you know, um there'snumerous ways we can do that.
There's a lot of differentavenues.
We need to stand firm ineverything we do.
When we first started discussingthis this idea, this podcast, I
was thinking focusing strictlyon standing firm in love.
(01:57):
Uh, but then you brought up, youknow, standing firm and other
avenues as well.
And so my conversation might bemore focused on love, but what
did you have?
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Yeah, so so even before I answer that, so it's
interesting, you know, what wayback in the day in school, um,
you know, I I was a wrestler,and uh, man, I wrestled nonstop,
you know, year round, and Iloved it.
But you know, it's funny, itdoesn't matter how good you get
or how many moves you know, youknow, I was thinking, you know,
as we were talking, if yourstance isn't right, it's over,
(02:27):
right?
So it always goes back to that.
You know, even in sports, youyou have to, or let's say if I'm
an offensive lineman, right?
You gotta have that right.
If you don't have that partright, nothing else works.
You know what I mean?
So as a believer, you know, I II think of you know, of you
know, us, you know, our stance,what we stand on, we have to
(02:47):
have that right.
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Well, and it's so great you say that, because what
are we standing on?
And it's the firm foundation,that's the key.
It's really the foundation thatwe're standing on.
And then it turns into how do westand on that foundation?
Of course, the foundation isJesus Christ, but how do we
stand on that?
And this is where we get intowhat we're what we're talking
(03:09):
about.
SPEAKER_02 (03:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
So what you got?
Well, okay, so I was reading abook recently, and uh it was by
Joby Martin, and I believe it'suh stand firm, act like men,
stand firm in the faith.
Something to that accord.
I probably should have becomeprobably should have come a
little more prepared.
(03:32):
But anyway, they were talkingabout he was talking about one
of the chapters was about love,and uh, we we all know men.
1 Corinthians 13 is consideredthe love chapter.
You hear it at most weddings,recited, you know, something
such as love is patient, love isnot, uh love is kind, it does
not envy or boast, it is notarrogant or rude.
(03:55):
Um but you know what reallystruck me is how do I love?
And what I mean is is it um am Iintentional with it?
You know I love that word,right?
Is it intentional in my lovingor am I just flipping and going
(04:16):
about you know, like kind ofkind of meandering wherever it
takes me, you know?
Uh and a perfect example iswell, uh let's say a win I
noticed recently.
This was after I read this book,and it was just it was much very
much on my mind.
Got on the freeway, and therewas a little jam up.
(04:37):
It was early in the morning,there's not a lot of traffic,
but this one guy should havegotten over, so I thought, to
get out of the oncomingtraffic's way, or merging
traffic's way.
And he rode right up to thisother guy, finally gets over,
and so I proceed to but he's notreally going that fast, so I
come around him, and then butwhen I passed him, you know, got
(04:57):
out, I was in his lane when Ipassed him, I was I was pretty
close.
You know, I'm not pretty close,but a few feet away, and that's
nothing for me.
But I immediately I wasconvicted of like, what am I
doing?
Like, just because like he's notdriving the way I want, totally
unloving behavior, because itcould have scared him.
Looked in the mirror, I'm comingpast him and moving out of his
(05:20):
lane abruptly.
So immediately I repented, and Isay that's a win because usually
like we were talking about twoweeks ago, we are to examine
ourselves to see if we're in thefaith, and where did we line up?
Is it the fruit of the spiritthat we're mostly finding?
And that wasn't, but the factthat I noticed it so quickly was
(05:46):
it was a pretty uh I don't wantto say proud moment, but it was
something like, hey, you know,it's like the you know, like
you're being intentional, thisis working, you know.
Anyway, I I could go on, but no,I I like it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:00):
I like it.
I I'm gonna do just a little,I'm gonna do a little, a little
bit of a different take.
So when I when I look on stance,I'm gonna go on uh being able to
stand on the word and know theword, right?
Because if you don't even knowthe word, then there's a
problem, right?
Absolutely.
You're gonna be you how how canyou stand on it if you don't
even know it?
Yes.
But I'm gonna kind of go to 1Peter 3.15, you know, where it
says, always be ready to give adefense to anyone who asks you
(06:23):
for an account for the hope andconfident assurance that lies
within you.
So, like when you think aboutit, like it, you know, you have
to know the word.
You you everything rests onthat.
So, so how can you stand pat orstand fast if you don't even
know the word?
And I'm gonna give you anexample, and I'm gonna try to be
very careful as as I'm givingyou this example.
(06:45):
You know, not long ago, we werehaving dinner with a with a
couple and we're kind oftalking, and then they were
talking about their church, andthen they were sharing how, you
know, the one thing they didn'tlike was their pastor was
political.
So I'm like, oh, this isinteresting.
So I'm just like listening andthinking.
And in my mind, I don't mindpastors being political.
I think the Bible is political.
I think you know what I mean.
It's not where there's certainareas that are off topic.
(07:08):
We should uh measure every areabased off the word.
There's no area that shouldn'tbe measured by the word.
So I don't believe that certainareas should be left out.
I think that um, you know,everything should um, you know,
be measured up.
But so, anyways, we're kind ofhaving this discussion, and then
they they told me the area thattheir pastor went, and I just
was so blown away and I wasshocked, and I was like, you
(07:30):
know, how can this be?
You know, you're a pastor, youyou should you should know the
word.
Yeah, like what does the wordsay about the topic A, B, C, D,
E, and F.
And then uh they brought up uhone particular um you know area,
and they basically and it was itwas sin, clearly it's sin, and
they said, Well, that, you know,that that that was for you know
(07:50):
a different time.
It's now new time.
No.
No.
So so there there was a momentright there where you know,
obviously I could have just notsaid anything and just been
quiet where it was a littleawkward, but uh listen, I'm
gonna stand on the word, and Iknow my word, and when somebody
is, you know, taking you knowour father's word out of
context, I think as men we we weneed to correct that.
(08:13):
Yeah.
So in this in this area, I didexactly what uh, you know, uh in
First Peter where you know, andI try to do it in love, where I
I reason through the scriptureshow the sin was not only in the
old days, but here's where, youknow, and for in you know, in
Romans 1 and in these otherareas, this is where it's even
in the New Testament where it'sstill sin.
(08:34):
Sin is sin, right?
It it's not a it's not a thingwhere it was only sinned during
this period and not during thatperiod.
So it's just very interesting,but I think that, you know, um I
really feel like, especially asmen, and not to say that, you
know, only men should know theword because we should all know
the word, but I think it's justvery, very important because how
can you stand fast on anythingif you don't know the word?
SPEAKER_01 (08:57):
Well, yeah, it's true, and you know, the
foundation being Jesus Christ isthe word becoming flesh.
And so, you know, it is one ofthose things where we as men, it
is our duty to be the leaders ofour household, and so knowing
the word, we set the example andwe set the tone.
Are we up giving our time, youknow, our free time to spending
(09:20):
time in the word?
And is that example known orseen by your family?
So it is key, you know, we mustknow the word.
Uh but I mean I love it.
I love the ability to to usethat, and everything must be um
weighed through Scripture'seyes, right?
You can't I I suppose peopleattempt to, you know, well, this
(09:44):
is a different time.
But this is this is someone thatbelieves that some of the things
in the Bible are true.
So now you're picking andchoosing what's true, so if
that's the case, throw the wholething away.
You know, which now segues backinto this point of loving people
because it's easy to seesomebody, and these are God's
(10:05):
children, mind you.
Jesus died on the cross for themdoesn't mean they may not be uh
deceived in a way, but there'scertainly hope for them, and so
I started praying this prayer,and I know you know this story,
but I had a work partner, it wasjust him and I, and we spent a
lot of hours together, and itwas sometimes frustrating, you
(10:27):
know, for the both of us.
I'm not I'm I'm not an innocentparty in this.
But um I started praying daily,Lord help me love him the way
you love me.
And that this was a number ofyears ago.
Well, I say a number, probablythree or four years ago, I
started praying this prayer, andhe has since retired.
But man, talk abouttransformative life I mean
(10:48):
relationship with him and I, butalso with other people.
Like I my my grace for others isso much greater because of that.
And that is through, you know,you know, reading the word,
knowing the word, praying theseprayers, seeing what Jesus did
for us.
He he loved us uh you know, whenwe were unworthy, dying on the
(11:12):
cross, a horrific death for usto be set free.
And so how am I any better thansomeone that I don't necessarily
agree with?
Our flesh would say, Well, I'lltell you how, but ultimately
they are worthy of love, andthat has been massively
transform transformative for me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
Yeah, it's a good point.
You know, you think back whenyou know when when Christ did
die and he had to take thatpenalty that you and I deserve,
you know, it should get to thepoint where you know it's it's
offensive.
You know, it's offensive.
Now when we look at sin, sinshould be offensive to us.
You know what I mean?
Because he had to go throughthat.
There was no circumventing that.
(11:51):
There had to be a price that waspaid.
That is a great right, and heloved us so much he paid the
price.
So for us a sugarcoat, you know,what actually put him up on that
cross, I think it'd be a littleoffensive.
I know that's a word that inthis in this day and age we like
to throw it around.
Yeah.
But truly, I think it gets tothe point where that could be
very, very offensive.
SPEAKER_01 (12:10):
And ultimately, that's that's a really good
point.
There was a there's a pastor, awell-known pastor, that says his
prayer for he probably stillpraying his prayer, God give me
the desire.
Well, maybe the desire is notthe right word, but hate let me
hate what you hate and love whatyou love, and sin is what he was
talking about.
I want to hate sin so much thatit sickens me to do it.
(12:31):
And that is a bold prayer,right?
Because most people, you know,it's like they uh a lot of it
they don't even realize they'rebeing sinful, which is what we
touched on two weeks ago.
Are we even aware of ourbehavior?
You know, because most peopleare are doing what we're doing
and going on about our livesbecause we're not intentionally
checking on how we're doing,like taking our temperature, so
to speak.
(12:52):
And it it was but man, that issomething when he says, and he
says it so passionately, it'slike his name is Philip Anthony
Mitchell out of 2811 Church, Ithink.
He says he says, um I want tohate sin.
And the way he says it, youknow, he he the way he says it
is so powerful, like, yeah, Iwant to hate sin too.
And so I do pray that prayer.
(13:13):
So we're waiting baby steps onthat one, but but yes, to let
someone twist scripture, theythey need to be uh to sit there
and you really shouldn't.
I commend you for standing upfor God because that's what
you're doing.
You're not going to speak aboutJesus that way.
You know, and it's deception.
You know, these were churchmembers, is that right?
(13:34):
Yeah.
So it was they were deceivedbecause and we're back to this,
because they don't know theword.
Yeah.
If you don't know the word, youcan be sold anything.
Oh yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
You know, it and then there's the thing that I
always say that there's twotypes of people.
You know, there's there'sthere's ones that are
thermometers, and there's onethat's thermostats.
You know, and the differencebetween the two is one reads a
temperature, one sets it.
So I here's just a littleencouragement.
Like be that man that setstemperature.
You set it in love, you set itby knowing your word.
(14:04):
Sometimes you got to lovinglycorrect.
But but but but raise thestandard, set the temperature
when you walk in a room, or whenyou walk in your home, or when
you walk in your employment, orwherever you walk into, be that
guy that's gonna raise the bar,set the temperature, you know
what I mean, and make an impactand influence through love, um,
you know, through knowing theword and through through many,
(14:24):
many, many other areas.
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I would say integrity as well that comes to
mind.
Um, but yes, greatencouragement.
Great encouragement.
So we'll see you next week, men.
SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
It was great speaking with you guys.
Have an amazing week.
Hey, be sure to visit us uh atpurposemenpodcast.com.
You could sign up for ournewsletter.
We got some freebies on therethat you can download.
Share the podcast with yourfriends.
You definitely got friends andfamily that need to hear this.
So, Craig, for sure.
Till next week.
SPEAKER_01 (14:52):
I'm Craig.
And I'm Martin.
SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
See you soon.
We're out.
SPEAKER_00 (14:59):
Thanks for listening to the Purpose Men Podcast.
Be sure to visit us on the webat www.purposemenpodcast.com for
some super cool stuff.
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