November 26, 2024 • 35 mins
In this episode of Purpose Project, host Leslie Pagel interviews BT Gregson, a life coach who helps individuals discover and realize their life’s purpose through a method he calls 'peaceful progression.' BT shares insights into his daily rituals, the significance of grounding oneself in their values, and how this alignment can foster a more energetic and fulfilling life. He also discusses common challenges people face when striving to live purposefully and offers practical advice for those beginning their journey towards discovering their purpose. Through their in-depth conversation, Leslie and BT offer valuable perspectives on how curiosity and mindful practices can guide individuals to a more purposeful life.
00:00 Introduction to Purpose Project
00:47 B.T.'s Core Values and Beliefs
03:42 The Journey to Discovering Purpose
09:08 Living Purposefully: Daily Practices
12:03 Challenges in Pursuing Purpose
17:02 When Purpose Causes Disruption
18:04 Broadcasting Your Purpose: Mindful Sharing
21:47 Connecting Values to Purpose
22:56 Peaceful Progress: A Coaching Philosophy
26:26 Daily Practices for a Purposeful Life
26:47 Long-Term Perspective: Embracing the Journey
29:13 Morning Rituals: Setting the Tone for the Day
31:51 Final Thoughts on Purpose
33:11 Contact Information and Closing Remarks
Email BT Gregson: btgregson@p2performance.com
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There are people in this worldwhose purpose is to help others
discover and realize theirlife's purpose.
And today's guest is one ofthose people.
Hi, my name is Leslie Pagel andthis is Purpose Project.
On the show today, we have B.
T.
Gregson.
B.
T.
is a life coach who helps hisclients.
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discover and realize theirlife's purpose through what he
calls a peaceful progression.
Let's take a listen.
Leslie (00:32):
BT thank you so much for being here with me on Purpose
Project.
I've been looking forward to ourconversation.
Thank you, Leslie.
I appreciate you having me here.
Wonderful.
Let's just start out by gettingto know you a little bit.
Who is BT?
Wow, that's a, that's anencompassing question, right?
One, I probably don't have theentire answer for if I'm being
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serious with you pretty muchevery day I go through this
exercise that questions mybeliefs.
BT (00:59):
So
I can't answer that, that, thatquestion.
And it's like entirety.
But what I can give you is who Iknow I am, right?
These are three things that forme have almost been born with,
right?
So it's been an insatiableappetite for curiosity, right?
On the kid to ask the questions,right?
The kid stop asking thequestions in class.
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I'm still that today.
Anybody will tell you that Iasked like way too many
questions.
It's always been around, not somuch of like how to fix things
like mechanically or anything ofthat nature.
It's really been like, questionsaround getting a better
understanding of people and whatmakes us tick.
Really, I'm being honest.
Energy is the other one, right?
So number two would be energy.
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I have a lot of it, right?
So you can imagine me like as asmall child in the classroom
that's asking questions and hasa lot of energy.
So I must burn that energy off,right?
Anybody who knows me and closewith me, my family, especially
if I don't exercise, they'regoing to remind me to exercise
just because I have all thatpent up energy and I need to get
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it out.
And lastly, I think, and, thisis a, I would say something I'm
getting a little bit more andmore comfortable with, right.
Is I'm very loving.
Right.
I think that's like, when wethink about the three things
about me is the curiosity reallyis a huge component of my life.
The energy and then and reallylove, just love for my for.
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Any sentient being, it seemslike, for most part, like I am
the guy who doesn't kill bugs.
So, um, I feel those are thethree things.
If you ask somebody on thestreet or somebody who knew me.
What are three things?
One of those three, hopefullywill come up or I don't know too
much about myself.
Leslie (02:41):
Love that.
Wonderful.
So curious, high energy andlooks at ways to exert that
energy and a loving person.
I also heard very thoughtful.
You talked about how every dayyou have a practice of checking
in with yourself as well.
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I'm very, I would call it veryritualistic, right?
So I think one of those thingswhen as part of my quest, if you
will, one of the things Ilearned from Joseph Campbell's
work was about the necessaryaspect of rituals and just the
hero's journey, if you will.
And I've adopted that in mylife, I would say I'm very
ritualistic.
Some people might say I'm veryscheduled.
But schedule feels so tight tome is a very ritualistic of, my
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day and what I love toaccomplish.
And I find that very valuableand very beneficial and a great
way to start my day for sure.
Awesome.
Awesome.
I'm, I, I want to come back tothat as we get into the topic of
purpose And see how thatconnects.
Thanks for sharing a little bitabout yourself.
Bt
BT (03:41):
Mm-Hmm.
Leslie (03:42):
would you say you have identified your life's purpose?
BT (03:46):
When I say I done my life's purpose, uh, I would say I I
would identify my currentpurpose.
Okay.
And I feel like that this, thepurpose is gonna co to continue
to evolve and be refined.
But my current purpose reallyfor this moment in time is
really to help people and, movethem to the life they desire and
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in a manner, in a way that isnatural and sustainable for
them.
When I think about the coachingmethodology, which I apply in my
philosophy.
It's really about how do youcoach somebody into their
desired life, but through apeaceful progression.
So I think those are, that'sreally the purpose for the
moment.
Leslie (04:29):
Could you walk us through that process of
discovering your purpose?
You know what, it's been aquest, right?
So, an ongoing quest.
So I would have to say itprobably started almost 20 years
ago.
And it was just at the idea ofkind of this question Of
something like what's it like tobe human?
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Like, what does it mean to behuman?
Right.
So this kicked off this greatadventure for me and it has
brought me into, I would saymost of the major religions some
outskirt religions too, as well.
Right.
And Philosophy, sociology,psychology, parapsychology.
Nothing that was off the tablefor me to delve into.
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I've gone to seminar series.
You want to talk about books ontape or whatever you may be.
It was just an immersion of thisand this effort and what came
out.
So it's been that, that devotionto that purpose of what it means
to be human.
Right.
So I've gone through this questand we'll continue to go
through, but now I have thisreally great life experience
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plus a body of work behind methrough the research that I've
been conducting.
And it just seems to be like agood opportunity now to begin to
share that with more than justmyself and my, my family members
at the time.
So how do I now begin to helppeople with what I've
experienced and helped them moveforward too, as well.
Yeah.
So I hear that it started yearsago, 20 years ish ago that
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pondering the question, whatdoes it mean to be human or a
question like that?
And that led you into years ofexploring different angles of
answering that.
And yeah,
it's not only about, in thetextbook, right, it's also about
the physical experience, right?
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Whether that be meditation,whether that be certain styles
or breath work, whether that bejumping into really cold water
for a long time or walking onhot coals.
Right.
I mean.
I've got really have done thework and put the effort in
really to gain as muchinformation and understanding of
what it means to be human,right.
At this point in my life.
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And, thinking about coming ontoday, I was like, Man,
shouldn't I be like enlightenedby now, but no, no, I'm not.
Right.
So, uh, work in progress forsure.
So
in this journey of yours, it sounds like it was
very much focused on what youcan learn for yourself and what
it's like to be human and howcan BT live a human as human of
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a life as possible?
And now you're saying.
Wow, I've learned all of this.
I can take everything that I'velearned, not just from my
research and my studies, but myown personal experiences and
help others do somethingsimilar.
Oh, absolutely.
Right.
Take some of the mistakes that Ihave made some of my experience
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and help them accelerate intothat more desired life.
For sure.
Yeah.
So, what have you learned?
The most important thing I'velearned for all of it is going
to be to take a breath.
Right.
Just allow yourself that momentof pause no matter what the
situation is.
I think that to me is thesmallest, but biggest thing that
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we can do, right?
If I had to drill it down to onething in particular, Leslie, it
would be just that.
If you're in a moment, take abreath and just exhale and then
allow yourself to be in thatmoment, just to relieve that
tension, whatever it may be, orwhatever the situation may be.
I think for me that would be.
If I had to narrow it down tojust one kernel I could pass on
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to the audience, it would bejust pause, take a breath,
exhale, and now respond.
Yeah.
The power of the breath is soimportant.
And it's something that everyonehas.
In their toolkit as well.
And in their
control too, also in theircontrol.
Right.
So when you just think aboutjust general things if you get
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excited for something, so say ifyou have a snake, I don't know,
that comes through your yard oryour house or whatever it may
be, your breath is going to gofaster.
So like, it's how do you beginto become more aware and more in
control of you versus autopilotall the time.
Yeah.
Okay.
So BT, your purpose right now isto help others live a happier
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life by applying all the thingsthat you've learned and your
experiences.
What does that look like in aday of the life of BT living out
purpose?
Yeah.
So first of all.
Every moment of my day isn't onpurpose.
It's not quite like this everysingle moment of the day, right?
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So, but when I'm on purpose, itfeels like the best way to
describe it, Leslie is living,right?
So you're not thinking aboutthat was the dog fed.
You're not thinking about evenwhat I'm feeling.
You're just really in themoment, really connected with
that individual.
And for me, that's what purposewhen I'm living the purpose,
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does that make sense?
Yeah let me play it back.
How I heard it.
It's what I heard there is.
When I am living out my purposein life, I'm in the present.
I'm not in my head, but I'mjust, I'm in the presence of
what's happening in my world.
Is that a way of putting it?
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Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
It's in the moment living.
So just to give an examplearound coaching, right?
So when we think about thatcoaching interaction to your
point very much in the moment,right?
You're deeply listening to theindividual.
You're connecting with thatindividual, right?
Really getting a sense andunderstanding of what that
individual is going through.
So physically, energetically,emotionally, where they're at.
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And then I'm not thinking aboutwhat the next best question is,
or how to help Leslie, if I askthis, that, and that, or what's
the strategy behind that.
I'm being in the moment.
And what arises out of me is theright question for Leslie,
BT (10:43):
right?
So
it's almost a sense of like, howdo I just become a mirror?
And in the coaching process, Ijust mirror you and you don't
really see me, right?
If that makes sense, becauseyou're, I'm just an avenue to
help you become empowered forthe life that you desire.
Leslie (11:01):
Wonderful.
So when you're doing that, whenyou're living out your purpose
in terms of helping others now,I know there's also being in
purpose when we do other tasksand things like that.
But when we think about livingout your purpose in terms of
helping others, how does thatmake you feel when you're in
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those moments?
Yeah it's.
It's hard to describe, right?
Because I don't know if there'sone word that describes it.
Right.
And I don't want to go out ofbody, like all that kind of
stuff, because that's maybelevel two out there.
Right.
But it just, again, it feelslike how I would best describe
as.
As live it it's just very muchnatural, very organic.
(11:45):
So there's a fluidity there.
There's a, there's a.
There's a oneness there, there'sa connection, there's a sense of
belonging.
So if I had to put words aswe're chatting here, if I had to
put words, I think those are thewords that would come up for me
around what that really feelslike for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are there any challenges in thatas you pursue your purpose?
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I think the challenges for mearound living my purpose is
probably not different from alot of folks when they begin to
change.
It's around like disruption,right.
So just everyday life, yeah, Ihave.
Children are married, right?
So why is he asking thesequestions?
Like, why can't you be like anormal dad?
Like those types of things.
(12:30):
Right.
Yeah.
Why are you going into icewater?
Like, you know, the things thatI do, like who I am.
Yeah.
So like you had that disruption,of why can't you be.
Like others at times, right?
Sometimes they don't really, seeall the benefits of it, right?
But, reality is that as youchange you're changing not only
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yourself, but you're actuallynow beginning to wave out to
others, and I think that to meis one of the challenges,
finding that balance, right?
If you choose to, depending onyour situation, this is how I
approached it.
Leslie is I want to strike thatbalance.
If I am going through a periodwhere I just only eat
vegetables, everybody in thehouse doesn't have to eat up
vegetables, right?
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This is my choice.
This is something that I want todo.
Or for example I've fast quite abit, so interesting, like I
generally only eat once a day asjust a way of life.
And, that could be disruptive,for people you live with or,
just curious to people.
Like why only once a day whenyou go out in general public,
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right.
And you're not, they havebrought you lunch and you're not
eating lunch, with everybodyelse.
Right.
So it does.
Add to a little bit ofquirkiness, right?
And I think that's when itreally goes back to what's your
conviction and what's yourdevotion to it and the
dedication of who you want to bein this life and who you want to
show up for your purpose, right?
And that, and the balance of,how am I now forcing my value
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system on others?
As an example, okay, everybodyhas to eat vegetables tonight
because I'm eating vegetables.
So I always want to make surethat others are at choice.
In, in who, whoever's around me,but it is, when you change are
you going after something it'sjust disruptive, right?
I think that to me is Is one ofthe things that has been
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challenging is the disruptionthat it causes at times to
others and yourself, right?
Cause you don't, for mepersonally, I don't want to be
disruptive to people by how I'mliving my life.
Yeah.
So I, when I hear you talk aboutthis and you're using the word
disruption, but it sounds like.
When I'm out and about peoplehave expectations of what normal
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is or what what I should bedoing.
And I'm not doing those thingsbecause of my values and my
beliefs and how I want to showup in this world.
So it's facing societal.
I think of it as norms orconditioning that's been out
there and you're you're rubbingup against it and it feels like
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disruption for you and maybeyour family as well.
Yeah.
I totally agree with you, right?
So it really is about that,right?
So it's, again, goes back to howstrong do you believe in this,
how, what's your convictionaround it?
And because the social norms,you're going to be asked
questions everywhere you go.
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About, some of the things thatyou are looking to do to be, to
live the life that you wantaround your purpose.
So I think for me it's one ofthose things that it's worth
doing.
And when I say disruptive, it'snot, it's minor disruption,
right?
But nonetheless, it's stilldisruption.
So I think that to me issomething that folks want to be
aware of.
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It's not all, rainbows and puppydogs.
It's.
There are things that don't gowell all the time.
And, I'm not living on purposeevery single moment of my life
either.
So I think that's thatrealization and realisticness of
it is important for folks toknow when they think about,
living purposefully,
BT (16:05):
I think
it gives them grace.
And again, going back to thatbreath.
Allow somebody to be like,
okay,
I am human after all.
Right.
I don't have to live in thiskind of like perfect picture
idea of myself.
I can make a mistake and I'mokay with it.
Or whatever it may be.
Leslie (16:20):
Well, and I believe that some people don't pursue their
purpose.
Because of fear, because of thatdisruption that it might cause.
And one of the things that youtalked about is getting really
grounded in your commitment yourconviction of it as a way of
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feeling comfortable in thatmoment and saying, no, this is
something that I believe instrong enough, and because of
that, I'm going to keep pursuingit.
I'm going to, and granted, yeah,we.
We're not all in every moment ofour lives living on purpose.
So I appreciate you sharing thatas well.
But there are moments when weare living in purpose and
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sometimes it can feel like it'scausing disruption, but knowing
that it's not.
I'm only, I'm asking this ofmyself, not of all the others
and I'm convicted in it.
And just to add on to that,Leslie would be.
When you're thinking about yourpurpose, and we might get into
this a little bit deeper if youwant, but when you're thinking
about your purpose, you should,at least for me the thought
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would be to take a look at it aslike you're planting a flower or
something of this nature, oryou're planting something for
growth.
You want to nurture it.
You want to nourish it.
You don't want everybody cominglooking around trampling it.
My, my venture here has beenmany decades.
So I can stand in front of youand anybody.
And say, these are my values.
This is who I am veryconfidently.
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15 years ago, 10 years ago, I'mnot saying that, right.
I'm saying part of it.
Right.
It takes time to get there.
It may not take everybody 20years to get here or wherever it
may be.
Surely every day and every yearhas been progress for me.
But what I'm, the point is I'mgetting at is you want to be
mindful about Broadcasting, whatyou're looking to do right
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around the audience, you want tomake sure it's supporting and
nourishing and nurturing.
So you can grow into that.
And not just be like, as youmentioned you get your thoughts
trampled, then you don't go backto them.
Because it's been receivednegatively.
And that could be a stopper foryou as an individual to continue
forward.
Absolutely.
Let's use this to, to get intowhat you see as a coach because
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you're out there every dayhelping humans discover, realize
their purpose, live a purposefullife.
What are you seeing in yourwork?
Yeah, I think, for me, it's Ithink, Programs like yourselves
are very helpful.
And the reason being is becausethere's certain words out there
in terminology that has beenoverused and it's saturated and
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it's diluted.
So when we think about wordslike authentic, transformation
right?
So just the overuse of thesewords, so it dilutes them a
little bit.
Right.
So when folks talk aboutpurpose, you might get an eye
roll, right?
Oh, here, purpose.
How do I connect to purpose?
Right.
So I think it's great to bringthem back and ground them of
what you're looking to move toon purpose.
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Like why purpose is so importantfor an individual.
And what the value is for that.
So I think that to me is some ofthe resistance right off the bat
is like the skepticism or, thisfeeling of like, here we go
again, it's, this what's thisall about?
Right.
So I think that to me is one ofthe things that's really
important is just to begin toground them into what purposes
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so it's beginning to, are youliving your purpose every day,
every moment?
So I think it to me is there'sa, there's an idea of
reconnecting people to whatpurposes like your program's
offering here.
Right.
And the strength and the valuefor being human in line to
purpose.
So I think that to me is key.
And I feel that, also as well,another barrier might just be, I
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don't know, I haven't given itmuch thought
BT (20:08):
of
what my purpose is because I'venever really given a lot of
consideration.
I think, those are types ofthings when you've asked
somebody.
What's your purpose in life?
They might say you know what paytaxes go to work and
die I
don't know.
So that might be an answer youmight get right So I don't think
a lot of people think about itin a daily basis, right?
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Because you're just caught up inthe wheel of life
most people
so I think that is You knowbrings you back right sets you
back as a client I'd be like Ihaven't really thought about it
that much You so it reallyhasn't been something they
thought about and there might besome association, like, you
know, here we go again, this isjust a new craze, a new wave or
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something of that nature.
So really about get them tothink about it and get them to
see the value of why it's soimportant to live life on
purpose.
Leslie (21:00):
Yeah.
And it sounds like starting withwhat it means, because it, I do
think purpose is one of thosewords that.
Is thrown around a lot without alot of context around it.
And so getting on a solidfooting on, okay, this is what
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purpose is about and this iswhat it means and in working
from there.
Is there an example of acoaching situation that you've
been in and how you've workedwith that individual?
Yeah.
So when we think about purposeit could come in a different
couple of ways, so generallyspeaking, if it's the individual
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who, comes in with anassociation of like, we'll just
say like a negative associationaround purpose, right?
I think it's really aboutgetting an understanding of what
they believe might be theirvalues at the time.
And then weaving it in to, okay,so what are, how are you going
to act on those values?
How are you going to activatethose values in your daily life?
Right?
Because as we're meeting ourvalues, If we can live
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purposefully that has aconnection to our value stream
too as well, right?
So as an individual If we can asa coach, I should say if I can
connect a client into thosevalues as well as a purpose It
really is something that ishighly valuable in the session,
right?
So now that maybe the light bulbgoes off it's like oh now I get
it, right?
So now I can live morepurposefully really wherever I
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go because now I'm beginning toalign things that are important
to me with on purpose.
So I think that to me is as anexample in that first scenario.
The second scenario where theymay just don't know it depends
what they come up with, right?
So if it's resistance.
You know, you just give themtime, right, to, to think it
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over, think it, think it aboutis it, if it's overwhelming
maybe it's like a takeaway,right?
So at the next session, let'swork on it, right, to, to align
it.
So you want to, again, myphilosophy and my methodology
around my coaching style, again,is this peaceful progress.
Again, going back to thedisruption, if I could just why
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that's important but going backto the disruption for me you
know, I am, I can be veryintense and very immersive and
very you know, I'm going back tomy energy level.
Not everybody has the sameenergy level I do.
So, so like that is not alwayssustainable.
And, I, I think that's why it'sfor me.
(23:29):
It's very important to myclients that, that choose to
work with me and I choose towork with them is around this
kind of methodology around,okay, we're going to, you're
going to progress.
Grass is going to be peaceful.
It's not going to be, spikes andvalleys, spikes and valleys and
spikes and valleys.
So I think to me that is theimportance of, allowing that to
develop on what works best forthem to make them align to
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their, to, and develop thepurpose.
Right.
So it's a peaceful journey.
It's very focused on like youmentioned earlier, being the
mirror, putting the mirror upand having them take a look at
themselves and understand whatare my shared values, what do I
care about?
BT (24:10):
Right.
Leslie (24:11):
And through that discovery realizing the
opportunity to live those out,in their life more
intentionally.
And then what begins to happento Leslie is, the momentum
begins to swing and individualwho may not have a lot of energy
or had not as much energy asthey had once before, when they
move to the purpose, when theymove to the value.
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They'll begin to see more energybecause now they're living more
naturally for themselves, right?
So I think that's one of thethings that when we talk about
connecting why purpose is soimportant You're not fighting
against something not beingyourself, right?
You're aligned, right?
And now you can ruin toward it
So is that why the energy comes up is because?
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when you're not living onpurpose, you're not being your
authentic self.
And then when you spend thistime looking in the mirror,
understanding shared values andstarting to live that out, is it
because we get more energy inthat because we stopped the
fighting.
The simplest thought that comesto mind is friction, right?
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You can, I guess there's thatsaying, right?
You can, friction makes fire,friction makes diamonds, right?
There's all that.
However, when we think about theenergy level, if you're pulling
against something else, there'salways that fight.
And one day you win the next daythe other the value of words,
right.
Not being authentic ones.
(25:35):
Right.
So there's always this kind ofinner outer struggle.
And that takes a toll on us.
Right.
That takes a toll on usenergetically, right.
If you're not getting out ofbed, wanting to get out of bed
because you have to go someplacewhere you can't, get your values
or purpose.
That's challenging, right?
That's actually a cup of coffeein the morning, you know, or
whatever it may be, but when youare able to begin to live on
(25:58):
purpose, begin to align yourvalues, begin to, align what
your beliefs are, right.
And move forward, you know, verymuch to what I mentioned before
about living, that's living.
It's effortless.
You're not using a lot of energyconsumption there, right?
There's no struggle in it.
So I think that's something thatfolks really want to take in
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consideration.
And, living aligned to theirvalues too, as well.
So you mentioned earlier that breathing is, one big thing
that you've learned throughoutyour experience.
Where other places to start interms of exploring, living more
of a purposeful life.
(26:43):
Yeah.
I think it's for me it's the twothings, right.
For me, it's, I would say it'sthe long view, um, of life,
right.
The long view and.
Perhaps the seriousnesssometimes or significance that
we put around certain things Um,I think are Two things that I
have embraced Long View morerecently, um, as a society, I
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feel at least my own person.
We're very fast paced.
We're very reactive.
We want anything now.
I love it.
Amazon right with their two dayservice.
But you know, that doesn't meanmy life is going to be a two day
service, right?
But I think as we think aboutthese expectations and we think
about the normal things thatthat we live.
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I think that is a challenge tofolks, right?
There's a level of frustrationaround I'm not getting there
fast enough.
I'm not being most successful.
I'm not, whatever that may be.
And they're missing the juice ofthe day, right?
Cause they're so focused onthis.
So I think the long view isimportant because it allows us
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to say, okay.
I know where I'm going to windup.
But in the moment, I'm going toenjoy today.
And I'm going to see what todaybrings and know that what I'm
doing today and who I am todayis going to bring me to that
long, that long right.
So I think right, the long viewis important I once heard or
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read, I forget, if I'm on myrocking chair, drinking my
lemonade at 85, is this reallygoing to matter?
Like, is this what I'm going tobe thinking about?
I heard that once it stuck withme for decades.
So that to me is always take abreath, breathe in, I asked
myself that question at times isthis going to matter?
So I think that to me is justregulate that perspective and
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that reality that we want by,not taking everything so
seriously.
Maybe not taking, making stuffso significant, I think too, as,
as well.
And pause.
Just ask yourself, whatever thatquestion may be to to ground you
into something right.
Mon is the rocking chairquestion often.
So
(28:54):
I love that it puts things in perspectives, doesn't
it?
When you think longer term downthe road yeah, it reminds me,
you mentioned earlier that youhave a daily practice checking
in with yourself.
Could you tell us a little bitmore about that?
I can just run down my dailypractice for you is I just refer
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to it as like, I believe it wasmorning messaging, right?
So I just opened my journal bookand just start writing.
Um, I think that is the firstthing.
It's not even like thoughtfulwriting.
It's just writing, right?
Whatever comes out, comes out.
And then I just take a period oftime to identify 12 things that
I'm really grateful for.
BT (29:34):
And
just take that moment to belike, okay, I'm really grateful
for it.
And I'm a really simple guy.
It could be running water forme.
Right.
So, you think about how manypeople in the world just can't
go to a faucet and turn onrunning water and drink it
nonetheless, make it hot orcold, or, whatever pH balance
you want or whatever else wehave here.
So it's really get, you get veryheart, right.
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Heartfelt around that gratitudeof what I'm grateful for.
And then I go into reading,right.
And the topic that I'm readingon now is around belief systems,
right?
So just getting curious aboutbeliefs, right?
We all have them.
And they can interfere with usbeing living most optimally, and
then I exercise.
So there is some physicalactivity in the morning for me,
at least 45 minutes.
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And I don't miss that, right?
I have to have that as Imentioned before, otherwise I'm
cranky.
And then it's to start my day.
Right.
So I think for me, I have ameditation period too, as well
before I actually exercise.
But then I get down to it forexercise.
That's, that is, I love it.
And then I began my day.
So that's my ritual.
I mean, for me You know, itworks for me because it's just
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brings so much a benefit to mylife.
Leslie (30:42):
You mentioned your morning routine.
Do you have other rituals inyour day?
Are there other periodsthroughout the day where you're
checking?
Yeah, absolutely.
No, I think it's, for me, it'simportant that I take a break,
like a mid afternoon break.
And check in and a lot of thatis just, breathing exercises,
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perhaps some visualization aswell.
And then I exercise again atnight.
I think that's, again, that'sjust works for me.
And as for relaxation, right?
I'm not a TV watcher.
I'm not on screens at night.
It's really just about maybegoing out and looking at the
stars.
Just relaxing, unwinding, andthen just gradually preparing
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myself to, to sleep and, prepareto, to get rest and
rejuvenation.
Those are the things that that'smy day
Yeah.
Yeah.
So heavy focus in the morning,Get your body going, your mind
going, you're centered and thencheckpoints throughout the day
just to, to check in
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oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Okay.
So you have shared a little bitabout who you are, your purpose.
We've dug into what that lookslike in terms of how it makes
you feel some of the things thatare challenging about it.
What you see in your work as a alife purpose coach and we've
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learned from your routines.
Is there any other advice oranything left unsaid on the
topic of purpose?
Yeah, I would say cut yourself abreak on purpose, right?
When we think about thedramaticness of what's my
purpose, or something like this,right?
So, or, you know, the deepthought of it, right?
I would just suggest folks tomaybe step out in nature, right?
(32:35):
Just ask the question, what mypurpose is, and just let it sit.
And, and, sleep on it and seewhat kind of comes up for you.
Right.
And then just begin to getcurious about it.
Right.
Begin to move it with it.
It, dance with it a little bit.
It's not your one and all.
It's not, the final decision,but it has a lot of value.
It has a lot of benefit ofbeing, being a human being
(32:58):
right.
On a lot of different levels.
So I would strongly encourageanybody to, just Be curious
about maybe potentially whattheir purpose may be.
Wonderful.
I love that.
BT how can people reach out toyou?
BT (33:15):
Yeah.
If people are interested in whatthey heard today and want to
know a little bit more about mycoaching philosophy or be
coached.
They can reach me atbtgregson@p2performance.Com.
Leslie (33:27):
Awesome.
I'll put that in the show notesas well Thank you so much BT for
being here on Purpose Project.
I've learned a lot from you andgonna add to my daily practice
of gratitude, based on whatyou've shared.
So thanks for being here.
BT (33:44):
Oh, thank you, Leslie, for having me.
Appreciate it.
And hopefully we make adifference in people's lives
today.
Leslie (33:50):
Awesome.
This conversation with BT led meto reflect on my own journey of
discovering my life's purpose.
I can especially relate togetting curious about those big
questions in life.
For BT, he was asking, what doesit mean to be human?
For me, I was asking, have Idone everything that I can to
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discover and live a life ofpurpose?
And the realization that Iwasn't doing everything that I
could led me down a path ofgetting curious about what my
life purpose is.
This conversation highlights howembracing those big life
questions can lead to a morepurposeful life.
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So let curiosity guide you.
It is a powerful step towardsclarity and purpose.
BT, thank you for being on theshow and thanks to all of you
for listening.
Purpose Project is brought toyou for education and for
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entertainment purposes.
This podcast is not intended toreplace the advice that you
would receive from a licensedtherapist or doctor or any other
qualified professional.
There are people in this worldwhose purpose is to help others
discover and realize theirlife's purpose.
And today's guest is one ofthose people.
Hi, my name is Leslie Pagel andthis is Purpose Project.
On the show today, we have B.
T.
Gregson.
B.
T.
is a life coach who helps hisclients.
(00:25):
discover and realize theirlife's purpose through what he
calls a peaceful progression.
Let's take a listen.
Leslie (00:32):
BT thank you so much for being here with me on Purpose
Project.
I've been looking forward to ourconversation.
Thank you, Leslie.
I appreciate you having me here.
Wonderful.
Let's just start out by gettingto know you a little bit.
Who is BT?
Wow, that's a, that's anencompassing question, right?
One, I probably don't have theentire answer for if I'm being
(00:54):
serious with you pretty muchevery day I go through this
exercise that questions mybeliefs.
BT (00:59):
So
I can't answer that, that, thatquestion.
And it's like entirety.
But what I can give you is who Iknow I am, right?
These are three things that forme have almost been born with,
right?
So it's been an insatiableappetite for curiosity, right?
On the kid to ask the questions,right?
The kid stop asking thequestions in class.
(01:21):
I'm still that today.
Anybody will tell you that Iasked like way too many
questions.
It's always been around, not somuch of like how to fix things
like mechanically or anything ofthat nature.
It's really been like, questionsaround getting a better
understanding of people and whatmakes us tick.
Really, I'm being honest.
Energy is the other one, right?
So number two would be energy.
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I have a lot of it, right?
So you can imagine me like as asmall child in the classroom
that's asking questions and hasa lot of energy.
So I must burn that energy off,right?
Anybody who knows me and closewith me, my family, especially
if I don't exercise, they'regoing to remind me to exercise
just because I have all thatpent up energy and I need to get
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it out.
And lastly, I think, and, thisis a, I would say something I'm
getting a little bit more andmore comfortable with, right.
Is I'm very loving.
Right.
I think that's like, when wethink about the three things
about me is the curiosity reallyis a huge component of my life.
The energy and then and reallylove, just love for my for.
(02:26):
Any sentient being, it seemslike, for most part, like I am
the guy who doesn't kill bugs.
So, um, I feel those are thethree things.
If you ask somebody on thestreet or somebody who knew me.
What are three things?
One of those three, hopefullywill come up or I don't know too
much about myself.
Leslie (02:41):
Love that.
Wonderful.
So curious, high energy andlooks at ways to exert that
energy and a loving person.
I also heard very thoughtful.
You talked about how every dayyou have a practice of checking
in with yourself as well.
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I'm very, I would call it veryritualistic, right?
So I think one of those thingswhen as part of my quest, if you
will, one of the things Ilearned from Joseph Campbell's
work was about the necessaryaspect of rituals and just the
hero's journey, if you will.
And I've adopted that in mylife, I would say I'm very
ritualistic.
Some people might say I'm veryscheduled.
But schedule feels so tight tome is a very ritualistic of, my
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day and what I love toaccomplish.
And I find that very valuableand very beneficial and a great
way to start my day for sure.
Awesome.
Awesome.
I'm, I, I want to come back tothat as we get into the topic of
purpose And see how thatconnects.
Thanks for sharing a little bitabout yourself.
Bt
BT (03:41):
Mm-Hmm.
Leslie (03:42):
would you say you have identified your life's purpose?
BT (03:46):
When I say I done my life's purpose, uh, I would say I I
would identify my currentpurpose.
Okay.
And I feel like that this, thepurpose is gonna co to continue
to evolve and be refined.
But my current purpose reallyfor this moment in time is
really to help people and, movethem to the life they desire and
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in a manner, in a way that isnatural and sustainable for
them.
When I think about the coachingmethodology, which I apply in my
philosophy.
It's really about how do youcoach somebody into their
desired life, but through apeaceful progression.
So I think those are, that'sreally the purpose for the
moment.
Leslie (04:29):
Could you walk us through that process of
discovering your purpose?
You know what, it's been aquest, right?
So, an ongoing quest.
So I would have to say itprobably started almost 20 years
ago.
And it was just at the idea ofkind of this question Of
something like what's it like tobe human?
(04:51):
Like, what does it mean to behuman?
Right.
So this kicked off this greatadventure for me and it has
brought me into, I would saymost of the major religions some
outskirt religions too, as well.
Right.
And Philosophy, sociology,psychology, parapsychology.
Nothing that was off the tablefor me to delve into.
(05:13):
I've gone to seminar series.
You want to talk about books ontape or whatever you may be.
It was just an immersion of thisand this effort and what came
out.
So it's been that, that devotionto that purpose of what it means
to be human.
Right.
So I've gone through this questand we'll continue to go
through, but now I have thisreally great life experience
(05:36):
plus a body of work behind methrough the research that I've
been conducting.
And it just seems to be like agood opportunity now to begin to
share that with more than justmyself and my, my family members
at the time.
So how do I now begin to helppeople with what I've
experienced and helped them moveforward too, as well.
Yeah.
So I hear that it started yearsago, 20 years ish ago that
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pondering the question, whatdoes it mean to be human or a
question like that?
And that led you into years ofexploring different angles of
answering that.
And yeah,
it's not only about, in thetextbook, right, it's also about
the physical experience, right?
(06:22):
Whether that be meditation,whether that be certain styles
or breath work, whether that bejumping into really cold water
for a long time or walking onhot coals.
Right.
I mean.
I've got really have done thework and put the effort in
really to gain as muchinformation and understanding of
what it means to be human,right.
At this point in my life.
(06:43):
And, thinking about coming ontoday, I was like, Man,
shouldn't I be like enlightenedby now, but no, no, I'm not.
Right.
So, uh, work in progress forsure.
So
in this journey of yours, it sounds like it was
very much focused on what youcan learn for yourself and what
it's like to be human and howcan BT live a human as human of
(07:06):
a life as possible?
And now you're saying.
Wow, I've learned all of this.
I can take everything that I'velearned, not just from my
research and my studies, but myown personal experiences and
help others do somethingsimilar.
Oh, absolutely.
Right.
Take some of the mistakes that Ihave made some of my experience
(07:29):
and help them accelerate intothat more desired life.
For sure.
Yeah.
So, what have you learned?
The most important thing I'velearned for all of it is going
to be to take a breath.
Right.
Just allow yourself that momentof pause no matter what the
situation is.
I think that to me is thesmallest, but biggest thing that
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we can do, right?
If I had to drill it down to onething in particular, Leslie, it
would be just that.
If you're in a moment, take abreath and just exhale and then
allow yourself to be in thatmoment, just to relieve that
tension, whatever it may be, orwhatever the situation may be.
I think for me that would be.
If I had to narrow it down tojust one kernel I could pass on
(08:16):
to the audience, it would bejust pause, take a breath,
exhale, and now respond.
Yeah.
The power of the breath is soimportant.
And it's something that everyonehas.
In their toolkit as well.
And in their
control too, also in theircontrol.
Right.
So when you just think aboutjust general things if you get
(08:40):
excited for something, so say ifyou have a snake, I don't know,
that comes through your yard oryour house or whatever it may
be, your breath is going to gofaster.
So like, it's how do you beginto become more aware and more in
control of you versus autopilotall the time.
Yeah.
Okay.
So BT, your purpose right now isto help others live a happier
(09:03):
life by applying all the thingsthat you've learned and your
experiences.
What does that look like in aday of the life of BT living out
purpose?
Yeah.
So first of all.
Every moment of my day isn't onpurpose.
It's not quite like this everysingle moment of the day, right?
(09:23):
So, but when I'm on purpose, itfeels like the best way to
describe it, Leslie is living,right?
So you're not thinking aboutthat was the dog fed.
You're not thinking about evenwhat I'm feeling.
You're just really in themoment, really connected with
that individual.
And for me, that's what purposewhen I'm living the purpose,
(09:45):
does that make sense?
Yeah let me play it back.
How I heard it.
It's what I heard there is.
When I am living out my purposein life, I'm in the present.
I'm not in my head, but I'mjust, I'm in the presence of
what's happening in my world.
Is that a way of putting it?
(10:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
It's in the moment living.
So just to give an examplearound coaching, right?
So when we think about thatcoaching interaction to your
point very much in the moment,right?
You're deeply listening to theindividual.
You're connecting with thatindividual, right?
Really getting a sense andunderstanding of what that
individual is going through.
So physically, energetically,emotionally, where they're at.
(10:29):
And then I'm not thinking aboutwhat the next best question is,
or how to help Leslie, if I askthis, that, and that, or what's
the strategy behind that.
I'm being in the moment.
And what arises out of me is theright question for Leslie,
BT (10:43):
right?
So
it's almost a sense of like, howdo I just become a mirror?
And in the coaching process, Ijust mirror you and you don't
really see me, right?
If that makes sense, becauseyou're, I'm just an avenue to
help you become empowered forthe life that you desire.
Leslie (11:01):
Wonderful.
So when you're doing that, whenyou're living out your purpose
in terms of helping others now,I know there's also being in
purpose when we do other tasksand things like that.
But when we think about livingout your purpose in terms of
helping others, how does thatmake you feel when you're in
(11:22):
those moments?
Yeah it's.
It's hard to describe, right?
Because I don't know if there'sone word that describes it.
Right.
And I don't want to go out ofbody, like all that kind of
stuff, because that's maybelevel two out there.
Right.
But it just, again, it feelslike how I would best describe
as.
As live it it's just very muchnatural, very organic.
(11:45):
So there's a fluidity there.
There's a, there's a.
There's a oneness there, there'sa connection, there's a sense of
belonging.
So if I had to put words aswe're chatting here, if I had to
put words, I think those are thewords that would come up for me
around what that really feelslike for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are there any challenges in thatas you pursue your purpose?
(12:10):
I think the challenges for mearound living my purpose is
probably not different from alot of folks when they begin to
change.
It's around like disruption,right.
So just everyday life, yeah, Ihave.
Children are married, right?
So why is he asking thesequestions?
Like, why can't you be like anormal dad?
Like those types of things.
(12:30):
Right.
Yeah.
Why are you going into icewater?
Like, you know, the things thatI do, like who I am.
Yeah.
So like you had that disruption,of why can't you be.
Like others at times, right?
Sometimes they don't really, seeall the benefits of it, right?
But, reality is that as youchange you're changing not only
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yourself, but you're actuallynow beginning to wave out to
others, and I think that to meis one of the challenges,
finding that balance, right?
If you choose to, depending onyour situation, this is how I
approached it.
Leslie is I want to strike thatbalance.
If I am going through a periodwhere I just only eat
vegetables, everybody in thehouse doesn't have to eat up
vegetables, right?
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This is my choice.
This is something that I want todo.
Or for example I've fast quite abit, so interesting, like I
generally only eat once a day asjust a way of life.
And, that could be disruptive,for people you live with or,
just curious to people.
Like why only once a day whenyou go out in general public,
(13:32):
right.
And you're not, they havebrought you lunch and you're not
eating lunch, with everybodyelse.
Right.
So it does.
Add to a little bit ofquirkiness, right?
And I think that's when itreally goes back to what's your
conviction and what's yourdevotion to it and the
dedication of who you want to bein this life and who you want to
show up for your purpose, right?
And that, and the balance of,how am I now forcing my value
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system on others?
As an example, okay, everybodyhas to eat vegetables tonight
because I'm eating vegetables.
So I always want to make surethat others are at choice.
In, in who, whoever's around me,but it is, when you change are
you going after something it'sjust disruptive, right?
I think that to me is Is one ofthe things that has been
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challenging is the disruptionthat it causes at times to
others and yourself, right?
Cause you don't, for mepersonally, I don't want to be
disruptive to people by how I'mliving my life.
Yeah.
So I, when I hear you talk aboutthis and you're using the word
disruption, but it sounds like.
When I'm out and about peoplehave expectations of what normal
(14:45):
is or what what I should bedoing.
And I'm not doing those thingsbecause of my values and my
beliefs and how I want to showup in this world.
So it's facing societal.
I think of it as norms orconditioning that's been out
there and you're you're rubbingup against it and it feels like
(15:05):
disruption for you and maybeyour family as well.
Yeah.
I totally agree with you, right?
So it really is about that,right?
So it's, again, goes back to howstrong do you believe in this,
how, what's your convictionaround it?
And because the social norms,you're going to be asked
questions everywhere you go.
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About, some of the things thatyou are looking to do to be, to
live the life that you wantaround your purpose.
So I think for me it's one ofthose things that it's worth
doing.
And when I say disruptive, it'snot, it's minor disruption,
right?
But nonetheless, it's stilldisruption.
So I think that to me issomething that folks want to be
aware of.
(15:47):
It's not all, rainbows and puppydogs.
It's.
There are things that don't gowell all the time.
And, I'm not living on purposeevery single moment of my life
either.
So I think that's thatrealization and realisticness of
it is important for folks toknow when they think about,
living purposefully,
BT (16:05):
I think
it gives them grace.
And again, going back to thatbreath.
Allow somebody to be like,
okay,
I am human after all.
Right.
I don't have to live in thiskind of like perfect picture
idea of myself.
I can make a mistake and I'mokay with it.
Or whatever it may be.
Leslie (16:20):
Well, and I believe that some people don't pursue their
purpose.
Because of fear, because of thatdisruption that it might cause.
And one of the things that youtalked about is getting really
grounded in your commitment yourconviction of it as a way of
(16:42):
feeling comfortable in thatmoment and saying, no, this is
something that I believe instrong enough, and because of
that, I'm going to keep pursuingit.
I'm going to, and granted, yeah,we.
We're not all in every moment ofour lives living on purpose.
So I appreciate you sharing thatas well.
But there are moments when weare living in purpose and
(17:05):
sometimes it can feel like it'scausing disruption, but knowing
that it's not.
I'm only, I'm asking this ofmyself, not of all the others
and I'm convicted in it.
And just to add on to that,Leslie would be.
When you're thinking about yourpurpose, and we might get into
this a little bit deeper if youwant, but when you're thinking
about your purpose, you should,at least for me the thought
(17:29):
would be to take a look at it aslike you're planting a flower or
something of this nature, oryou're planting something for
growth.
You want to nurture it.
You want to nourish it.
You don't want everybody cominglooking around trampling it.
My, my venture here has beenmany decades.
So I can stand in front of youand anybody.
And say, these are my values.
This is who I am veryconfidently.
(17:51):
15 years ago, 10 years ago, I'mnot saying that, right.
I'm saying part of it.
Right.
It takes time to get there.
It may not take everybody 20years to get here or wherever it
may be.
Surely every day and every yearhas been progress for me.
But what I'm, the point is I'mgetting at is you want to be
mindful about Broadcasting, whatyou're looking to do right
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around the audience, you want tomake sure it's supporting and
nourishing and nurturing.
So you can grow into that.
And not just be like, as youmentioned you get your thoughts
trampled, then you don't go backto them.
Because it's been receivednegatively.
And that could be a stopper foryou as an individual to continue
forward.
Absolutely.
Let's use this to, to get intowhat you see as a coach because
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you're out there every dayhelping humans discover, realize
their purpose, live a purposefullife.
What are you seeing in yourwork?
Yeah, I think, for me, it's Ithink, Programs like yourselves
are very helpful.
And the reason being is becausethere's certain words out there
in terminology that has beenoverused and it's saturated and
(19:01):
it's diluted.
So when we think about wordslike authentic, transformation
right?
So just the overuse of thesewords, so it dilutes them a
little bit.
Right.
So when folks talk aboutpurpose, you might get an eye
roll, right?
Oh, here, purpose.
How do I connect to purpose?
Right.
So I think it's great to bringthem back and ground them of
what you're looking to move toon purpose.
(19:23):
Like why purpose is so importantfor an individual.
And what the value is for that.
So I think that to me is some ofthe resistance right off the bat
is like the skepticism or, thisfeeling of like, here we go
again, it's, this what's thisall about?
Right.
So I think that to me is one ofthe things that's really
important is just to begin toground them into what purposes
(19:46):
so it's beginning to, are youliving your purpose every day,
every moment?
So I think it to me is there'sa, there's an idea of
reconnecting people to whatpurposes like your program's
offering here.
Right.
And the strength and the valuefor being human in line to
purpose.
So I think that to me is key.
And I feel that, also as well,another barrier might just be, I
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don't know, I haven't given itmuch thought
BT (20:08):
of
what my purpose is because I'venever really given a lot of
consideration.
I think, those are types ofthings when you've asked
somebody.
What's your purpose in life?
They might say you know what paytaxes go to work and
die I
don't know.
So that might be an answer youmight get right So I don't think
a lot of people think about itin a daily basis, right?
(20:31):
Because you're just caught up inthe wheel of life
most people
so I think that is You knowbrings you back right sets you
back as a client I'd be like Ihaven't really thought about it
that much You so it reallyhasn't been something they
thought about and there might besome association, like, you
know, here we go again, this isjust a new craze, a new wave or
(20:52):
something of that nature.
So really about get them tothink about it and get them to
see the value of why it's soimportant to live life on
purpose.
Leslie (21:00):
Yeah.
And it sounds like starting withwhat it means, because it, I do
think purpose is one of thosewords that.
Is thrown around a lot without alot of context around it.
And so getting on a solidfooting on, okay, this is what
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purpose is about and this iswhat it means and in working
from there.
Is there an example of acoaching situation that you've
been in and how you've workedwith that individual?
Yeah.
So when we think about purposeit could come in a different
couple of ways, so generallyspeaking, if it's the individual
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who, comes in with anassociation of like, we'll just
say like a negative associationaround purpose, right?
I think it's really aboutgetting an understanding of what
they believe might be theirvalues at the time.
And then weaving it in to, okay,so what are, how are you going
to act on those values?
How are you going to activatethose values in your daily life?
Right?
Because as we're meeting ourvalues, If we can live
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purposefully that has aconnection to our value stream
too as well, right?
So as an individual If we can asa coach, I should say if I can
connect a client into thosevalues as well as a purpose It
really is something that ishighly valuable in the session,
right?
So now that maybe the light bulbgoes off it's like oh now I get
it, right?
So now I can live morepurposefully really wherever I
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go because now I'm beginning toalign things that are important
to me with on purpose.
So I think that to me is as anexample in that first scenario.
The second scenario where theymay just don't know it depends
what they come up with, right?
So if it's resistance.
You know, you just give themtime, right, to, to think it
(22:47):
over, think it, think it aboutis it, if it's overwhelming
maybe it's like a takeaway,right?
So at the next session, let'swork on it, right, to, to align
it.
So you want to, again, myphilosophy and my methodology
around my coaching style, again,is this peaceful progress.
Again, going back to thedisruption, if I could just why
(23:08):
that's important but going backto the disruption for me you
know, I am, I can be veryintense and very immersive and
very you know, I'm going back tomy energy level.
Not everybody has the sameenergy level I do.
So, so like that is not alwayssustainable.
And, I, I think that's why it'sfor me.
(23:29):
It's very important to myclients that, that choose to
work with me and I choose towork with them is around this
kind of methodology around,okay, we're going to, you're
going to progress.
Grass is going to be peaceful.
It's not going to be, spikes andvalleys, spikes and valleys and
spikes and valleys.
So I think to me that is theimportance of, allowing that to
develop on what works best forthem to make them align to
(23:53):
their, to, and develop thepurpose.
Right.
So it's a peaceful journey.
It's very focused on like youmentioned earlier, being the
mirror, putting the mirror upand having them take a look at
themselves and understand whatare my shared values, what do I
care about?
BT (24:10):
Right.
Leslie (24:11):
And through that discovery realizing the
opportunity to live those out,in their life more
intentionally.
And then what begins to happento Leslie is, the momentum
begins to swing and individualwho may not have a lot of energy
or had not as much energy asthey had once before, when they
move to the purpose, when theymove to the value.
(24:32):
They'll begin to see more energybecause now they're living more
naturally for themselves, right?
So I think that's one of thethings that when we talk about
connecting why purpose is soimportant You're not fighting
against something not beingyourself, right?
You're aligned, right?
And now you can ruin toward it
So is that why the energy comes up is because?
(24:54):
when you're not living onpurpose, you're not being your
authentic self.
And then when you spend thistime looking in the mirror,
understanding shared values andstarting to live that out, is it
because we get more energy inthat because we stopped the
fighting.
The simplest thought that comesto mind is friction, right?
(25:15):
You can, I guess there's thatsaying, right?
You can, friction makes fire,friction makes diamonds, right?
There's all that.
However, when we think about theenergy level, if you're pulling
against something else, there'salways that fight.
And one day you win the next daythe other the value of words,
right.
Not being authentic ones.
(25:35):
Right.
So there's always this kind ofinner outer struggle.
And that takes a toll on us.
Right.
That takes a toll on usenergetically, right.
If you're not getting out ofbed, wanting to get out of bed
because you have to go someplacewhere you can't, get your values
or purpose.
That's challenging, right?
That's actually a cup of coffeein the morning, you know, or
whatever it may be, but when youare able to begin to live on
(25:58):
purpose, begin to align yourvalues, begin to, align what
your beliefs are, right.
And move forward, you know, verymuch to what I mentioned before
about living, that's living.
It's effortless.
You're not using a lot of energyconsumption there, right?
There's no struggle in it.
So I think that's something thatfolks really want to take in
(26:21):
consideration.
And, living aligned to theirvalues too, as well.
So you mentioned earlier that breathing is, one big thing
that you've learned throughoutyour experience.
Where other places to start interms of exploring, living more
of a purposeful life.
(26:43):
Yeah.
I think it's for me it's the twothings, right.
For me, it's, I would say it'sthe long view, um, of life,
right.
The long view and.
Perhaps the seriousnesssometimes or significance that
we put around certain things Um,I think are Two things that I
have embraced Long View morerecently, um, as a society, I
(27:09):
feel at least my own person.
We're very fast paced.
We're very reactive.
We want anything now.
I love it.
Amazon right with their two dayservice.
But you know, that doesn't meanmy life is going to be a two day
service, right?
But I think as we think aboutthese expectations and we think
about the normal things thatthat we live.
(27:29):
I think that is a challenge tofolks, right?
There's a level of frustrationaround I'm not getting there
fast enough.
I'm not being most successful.
I'm not, whatever that may be.
And they're missing the juice ofthe day, right?
Cause they're so focused onthis.
So I think the long view isimportant because it allows us
(27:50):
to say, okay.
I know where I'm going to windup.
But in the moment, I'm going toenjoy today.
And I'm going to see what todaybrings and know that what I'm
doing today and who I am todayis going to bring me to that
long, that long right.
So I think right, the long viewis important I once heard or
(28:11):
read, I forget, if I'm on myrocking chair, drinking my
lemonade at 85, is this reallygoing to matter?
Like, is this what I'm going tobe thinking about?
I heard that once it stuck withme for decades.
So that to me is always take abreath, breathe in, I asked
myself that question at times isthis going to matter?
So I think that to me is justregulate that perspective and
(28:34):
that reality that we want by,not taking everything so
seriously.
Maybe not taking, making stuffso significant, I think too, as,
as well.
And pause.
Just ask yourself, whatever thatquestion may be to to ground you
into something right.
Mon is the rocking chairquestion often.
So
(28:54):
I love that it puts things in perspectives, doesn't
it?
When you think longer term downthe road yeah, it reminds me,
you mentioned earlier that youhave a daily practice checking
in with yourself.
Could you tell us a little bitmore about that?
I can just run down my dailypractice for you is I just refer
(29:17):
to it as like, I believe it wasmorning messaging, right?
So I just opened my journal bookand just start writing.
Um, I think that is the firstthing.
It's not even like thoughtfulwriting.
It's just writing, right?
Whatever comes out, comes out.
And then I just take a period oftime to identify 12 things that
I'm really grateful for.
BT (29:34):
And
just take that moment to belike, okay, I'm really grateful
for it.
And I'm a really simple guy.
It could be running water forme.
Right.
So, you think about how manypeople in the world just can't
go to a faucet and turn onrunning water and drink it
nonetheless, make it hot orcold, or, whatever pH balance
you want or whatever else wehave here.
So it's really get, you get veryheart, right.
(29:58):
Heartfelt around that gratitudeof what I'm grateful for.
And then I go into reading,right.
And the topic that I'm readingon now is around belief systems,
right?
So just getting curious aboutbeliefs, right?
We all have them.
And they can interfere with usbeing living most optimally, and
then I exercise.
So there is some physicalactivity in the morning for me,
at least 45 minutes.
(30:19):
And I don't miss that, right?
I have to have that as Imentioned before, otherwise I'm
cranky.
And then it's to start my day.
Right.
So I think for me, I have ameditation period too, as well
before I actually exercise.
But then I get down to it forexercise.
That's, that is, I love it.
And then I began my day.
So that's my ritual.
I mean, for me You know, itworks for me because it's just
(30:39):
brings so much a benefit to mylife.
Leslie (30:42):
You mentioned your morning routine.
Do you have other rituals inyour day?
Are there other periodsthroughout the day where you're
checking?
Yeah, absolutely.
No, I think it's, for me, it'simportant that I take a break,
like a mid afternoon break.
And check in and a lot of thatis just, breathing exercises,
(31:04):
perhaps some visualization aswell.
And then I exercise again atnight.
I think that's, again, that'sjust works for me.
And as for relaxation, right?
I'm not a TV watcher.
I'm not on screens at night.
It's really just about maybegoing out and looking at the
stars.
Just relaxing, unwinding, andthen just gradually preparing
(31:27):
myself to, to sleep and, prepareto, to get rest and
rejuvenation.
Those are the things that that'smy day
Yeah.
Yeah.
So heavy focus in the morning,Get your body going, your mind
going, you're centered and thencheckpoints throughout the day
just to, to check in
(31:47):
oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Okay.
So you have shared a little bitabout who you are, your purpose.
We've dug into what that lookslike in terms of how it makes
you feel some of the things thatare challenging about it.
What you see in your work as a alife purpose coach and we've
(32:11):
learned from your routines.
Is there any other advice oranything left unsaid on the
topic of purpose?
Yeah, I would say cut yourself abreak on purpose, right?
When we think about thedramaticness of what's my
purpose, or something like this,right?
So, or, you know, the deepthought of it, right?
I would just suggest folks tomaybe step out in nature, right?
(32:35):
Just ask the question, what mypurpose is, and just let it sit.
And, and, sleep on it and seewhat kind of comes up for you.
Right.
And then just begin to getcurious about it.
Right.
Begin to move it with it.
It, dance with it a little bit.
It's not your one and all.
It's not, the final decision,but it has a lot of value.
It has a lot of benefit ofbeing, being a human being
(32:58):
right.
On a lot of different levels.
So I would strongly encourageanybody to, just Be curious
about maybe potentially whattheir purpose may be.
Wonderful.
I love that.
BT how can people reach out toyou?
BT (33:15):
Yeah.
If people are interested in whatthey heard today and want to
know a little bit more about mycoaching philosophy or be
coached.
They can reach me atbtgregson@p2performance.Com.
Leslie (33:27):
Awesome.
I'll put that in the show notesas well Thank you so much BT for
being here on Purpose Project.
I've learned a lot from you andgonna add to my daily practice
of gratitude, based on whatyou've shared.
So thanks for being here.
BT (33:44):
Oh, thank you, Leslie, for having me.
Appreciate it.
And hopefully we make adifference in people's lives
today.
Leslie (33:50):
Awesome.
This conversation with BT led meto reflect on my own journey of
discovering my life's purpose.
I can especially relate togetting curious about those big
questions in life.
For BT, he was asking, what doesit mean to be human?
For me, I was asking, have Idone everything that I can to
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discover and live a life ofpurpose?
And the realization that Iwasn't doing everything that I
could led me down a path ofgetting curious about what my
life purpose is.
This conversation highlights howembracing those big life
questions can lead to a morepurposeful life.
(34:38):
So let curiosity guide you.
It is a powerful step towardsclarity and purpose.
BT, thank you for being on theshow and thanks to all of you
for listening.
Purpose Project is brought toyou for education and for
(35:01):
entertainment purposes.
This podcast is not intended toreplace the advice that you
would receive from a licensedtherapist or doctor or any other
qualified professional.
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