March 18, 2025 • 52 mins
In this episode of Purpose Project, Leslie Pagel is joined by Angie Nuttle, founder of the VIP Center for Business Women. Angie shares her journey of how purpose has guided her in building a business aimed at empowering women. The conversation touches on the importance of mindset shifts, overcoming personal struggles, and listening to one's inner voice to align with their true calling. Angie provides deep insights into the significance of small, purposeful acts and offers advice for women seeking to integrate purpose into their professional lives. If you're looking to uncover your purpose and are open to those subtle life nudges, this episode is a must-listen.
00:00 Welcome to Purpose Project
00:15 Meet Angie Nuttle: Empowering Women in Business
01:31 The VIP Center for Business Women
02:39 Angie's Personal and Professional Journey
06:37 Discovering Life Purpose
07:12 Breaking Free from Personal Prisons
09:03 Turning Points and Major Life Events
16:48 From Corporate to Entrepreneurship
20:28 The Birth of the VIP Center
27:09 Discovering Your Purpose
29:17 Overcoming the Busyness Spirit
32:30 Purpose in Entrepreneurship
46:07 Practical Advice for Finding Purpose
49:54 Final Thoughts on Purpose
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hi, my name is Leslie Pagel andwelcome to Purpose Project.
This is the place where weexplore the many ways that
purpose shows up in our livesand our work.
In this episode, I am joined byAngie Nuttle.
Angie is the founder of the VIPCenter for Business Women.
It's a space designed to helpsupport and empower women in
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business.
Angie shares how Purpose hasguided her through building a
business.
She shares the patterns that shesees in women who are searching
for success and the criticalmindset shifts that change the
game.
If you've ever felt that pullthat nudge towards something
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greater, this episode is foryou.
Let's take a listen.
Leslie (00:55):
Angie, thank you for being on Purpose Project.
I'm really looking forward totalking and exploring on how
Purpose shows up in theworkplace.
Angie (01:04):
Oh, that's one of my favorite topics.
Um, and I love that you're doingthis.
I've been watching some of yourpodcasts and you are just in
your zone.
You're in your element.
I just love it.
Leslie (01:17):
Oh, thank you for that.
I do.
I feel very much in my zone.
Some days it feelsuncomfortable, but for the most
part it feels really good.
I feel alive doing this.
I mean, you look at this, I wascoming into your space here at
the VIP center for womenleaders, women,
Angie (01:38):
it's VIP center for business women.
Okay.
Leslie (01:41):
VIP center for business women.
And you told me, yeah, go backto the circle room or pick where
you want to go.
And I came in here and read thesign.
Yes.
Yes.
Perhaps this is the moment forwhich you have been created.
Yes, and I was like, we aredefinitely recording here.
Angie (02:00):
This sign has gotten so much feedback from everyone who
comes through here because oneof the One of the important
aspects and themes about what wedo is helping women to step into
their calling and To help themto stop operating Beneath what
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they were called to do and somany women have come through
these doors, and they've askedthat question What am I supposed
to be doing?
And a lot of them, they'll lookat that sign and like, that's
just a, that's a confirmationthat I'm in the right place.
Leslie (02:37):
Exactly.
Yes.
Well, I, I want to get into allof that, but before we go there,
share a little bit about whoAngie is personally and
professionally.
Angie (02:48):
Oh my Lord.
Big question.
Lots of stuff attached to thatSo I'm Angie Nuttle and I am the
founder of the VIP Center forBusiness Women.
So one of the things that we dois we help women to grow in
their faith and in business.
And we do that through coaching,through community, through
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conferences, uh, throughconnection.
We do a lot of, work helpingwomen.
Entrepreneurial women who aretrying to liven up their calling
and step into the business worldas an entrepreneur.
Mm-hmm So we do a lot of donefor you services.
So in order to do that, mybackground has, has been in that
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just knowing how to stand up abusiness and how to do all the
things, even the artistic andcreative things.
That's my jam, designing things,branding things.
Websites, social media,graphics, uh, designing book
covers, right?
I mean, anything that's artsylike that, uh, and that has an
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association with business, um,that's what I do.
But, we also have, uh, a big,uh, faith based women's
community called Purple LifeCommunity.
So, Purple Life, is based onLydia, seller of purple.
So who was a single woman backin the Bible times, and she was
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successful on her own and had asuccessful business selling
purple and making purplefabrics.
And I had no idea.
Yeah.
And so she really transcendedtime with having a business.
She was wealthy.
She was profitable.
And she was also purposeful andinstrumental in standing up
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Christianity in Europe.
She was the first convert inEurope back at that time.
So, I was inspired by her andthat's a big part of who I am
and my identity.
So, that's, it's reflected inwhat we do here at the Business
Center.
Um, on a more personal note, I'ma mom.
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And I've got Two grown children,um, and I have a 16 year old at
home.
I love all of them so dearly,and I've got four grandchildren,
which is just crazy to me that Isometimes I feel like I'm still
25.
At least in my spirit, but whenI see the grandchildren's I hear
Nana, Nana.
I'm like Yeah, I'm that old.
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Um, Happily married to ErinNuttall and Um, I am a I am a
woman of faith and that reallycomes from just going through a
lot of suffering and hardshipsas I was growing up and I would
say that my story is prettyunusual compared to most people.
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And that's why I wasn't reallyafraid to step into this big
vision that we have here at theVIP center.
Um, I came from a life of a lotof difficulties, a lot of trials
as a child.
I was in, I had a stint infoster care.
I was a runaway.
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I was like bottom of the barrel,like, in terms of, I was just so
rebellious as, as a kid becauseof things that were happening
and, um, really did a lot ofsuffering.
And, but it's because of thosethings, it made me very driven
and very focused on doingsomething that, that matters.
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So, there's a lot of stuffthere.
Leslie (06:36):
Yeah.
Well, I want to pull on thatbecause This is all about
purpose.
Yeah.
And a question that I askeveryone is, do you have a life
purpose?
And if so, what is it?
Angie (06:52):
Yeah.
And I will say that the lifepurpose as you get older, it
changes and it, it gets refined.
You go through breakthroughs andyou go through breakdowns and
you just go through all of theobstacles and the things, and it
really, it's like being clay andbeing shaped and molded into.
something very unique.
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And so I feel like at this pointin my life, my purpose really
centers around helping women tostop being in prison, uh,
helping women to not only stepout of the personal prisons that
that they've been put into,whether it's by their own doing.
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You know, in their own selfdoubts and self deprecation and
all of that, to even people inour culture and society, putting
parameters around them, and sothey think that they can't move
forward.
Um, I have a huge passion toshow women that the prison door
is actually open.
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And you have a key.
So you're just sitting in there,whether you realize it or not,
you're sitting in that prisonand there is a whole other life
out here.
Right.
And I love helping women torealize that they have
everything that they need.
They're not missing anything,they're not lacking anything,
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they're actually veryresourceful, creative and whole.
Um, I have, I have a challengewith people who say, Oh,
everybody's broken.
That is not true.
That's not the way we were made.
We were, we're not broken.
We're creative, resourceful andwhole.
And I'm on a mission to helpwomen to realize that and fully
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step into that calling wherethey can impact the world in
really significant andfulfilling ways.
Leslie (08:48):
Well, and it sounds like hearing about your struggle, you
had the key, you unlocked thedoor and you walked out and
you're helping to bring that toother women.
Yeah.
How did that light go off foryou?
How did you flip the switch andsay, Oh, I have a key.
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I'm going to, I'm going to letmyself out.
Angie (09:14):
That's happened over and over.
I've gotten into differentprisons.
Sometimes it's a jail.
Sometimes it's like apenitentiary where there's lots
of weight.
You got to get through lots ofrooms to get out.
Um, I would say that that.
has been an evolution in mylife.
So when I was 17 years old and Iwas made an emancipated minor by
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the state of Indiana.
And it was just because I hadbeen in the system so much and
kept running away from fosterhomes.
I mean, and they were, they werenot good places to be.
Um And this, some parents mightbristle at this or think that
this is odd, but really one ofthe best decisions I made was to
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actually step out on my own.
And I hitchhiked from Indianadown to Alabama and started my
life over.
That was, that was a majorturning point in my life where I
really became independent.
broke free from all of thetraumatic things that had
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happened back home.
I wouldn't advise every 17 yearold to do that, but all of the
junk had not been worked out ofme.
You can leave a situation, butthe situation itself might still
be sticking with you and chancesare that that's what's
happening.
And so.
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Um, I just went into a differentseason of my life and, got into
a very destructive marriage andmy husband loved drugs.
I had two kids.
He loved drugs more than us.
And it, that was another turningpoint where I had to make the
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decision, to walk away from thatunhealthy situation.
Realizing that I had the key,but ultimately for me, the most
major event that I experiencedis when I got my undergraduate
degree and it was really amiracle.
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I was the first person in myfamily to graduate with, with a
college degree and I hadsurvived quite a bit of, of
trauma just walking through thatand time.
Um, But I was very grateful.
The first time that I had everjust really felt such a genuine
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authentic gratefulness that Igot through it, that I made it
through.
And every time I think aboutthat, I think about the the day
I went to take my last finalexam, and I was still married to
my ex husband.
It was pouring down rain.
I had on a pink sweatshirt andsweatpants.
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And I was getting ready to getin my car to go, and my husband,
he did not want me to graduate.
He did not want me to go andtake that exam, and he took my
keys and he threw them out inthe front yard.
It was pouring down rain, and Iran out there, I fell, I was
covered in mud, I was soppingwet, but I found the keys.
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And so I grabbed the keys, gotin the car, went, I was sobbing
the whole way, went and took myexam, which I got an A on the
exam, and I ended up getting mydegree.
It was such a pivotal moment forme, and so this heart of
gratitude popped up in me that Ihad never felt before.
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So I went up to this little deadBaptist church where, you know,
everybody's like over 80.
I'm like this, you know, 23 yearold, and I was like, I'm going
to just go tell God I'mthankful, you know, that I'm
grateful that he got me throughthis.
So I walk into this, this littlechurch, I have no idea what the
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pastor was saying, it was, thisis what it sounded like.
That's what he sounded like.
But when this precious womanstarted playing this song, uh, I
Surrender All.
And I started singing that song.
Oh my gosh, I just, I justbusted out crying.
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I was just hysterically cryingand it was in that moment that I
just had this experience withGod.
And a huge burden and weight wasjust lifted off of me.
And it was the most miraculousexperience.
I've never quite had anexperience like that since then.
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But in that moment, I, there wassomething in me that knew that I
was going to be called to a, toa different kind of life.
And so I came out of there, whenI walked out of there, I was a
different human being.
I mean, literally for threeweeks, I didn't talk.
I was just so at peace.
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I had never been at such peace.
I just didn't talk.
I was, everything just lookedbrighter.
And as a matter of fact, my, myex husband, we were riding in
the truck one day and he says,what is wrong with you?
I said, what do you mean?
There's nothing wrong with me.
He says, You usually havesomething to say.
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You usually are smarting offhaving something to say.
It says you have not talked inthree weeks.
And I said, I just feel good.
I'm grateful there.
I'm not worried about anything.
And so, it was just for oneyear, I had a beautiful
honeymoon with God and thenafter that, it all went to hell
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in a handbasket.
And then more trials came.
I look back at all these trialsand all of the sufferings and
the different seasons, all thestorms that happened.
And I can look back at those nowand see where, okay, you got out
of this prison.
Now you have to work your wayout of this one and this one and
this one.
And, and it just made mestronger.
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And, I know that that wasn'talways just for my sake.
It was for the women that Iwould serve going forward and to
present day.
So all of that that happened hasbeen folded into what we have
for the VIP center and VIPstands for visions in progress.
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And that's exactly what we are.
But a lot of women, they don'tsee that.
They're trapped.
They're there, they limitthemselves by what's in their
bank account or what, Theirfamily says about them or, the
responsibilities that they thinkthey have there.
And I'm here to help women tounderstand that you're not
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limited by that.
Right.
So,
Leslie (16:26):
yeah.
And your business is set up tofulfill your purpose.
I mean, there's a direct,because not, that's not the case
for everyone.
Right.
But for yours, it is directly inalignment with, I'm gonna create
a business that allows me toserve In the way that I'm being
called to serve.
(16:46):
Yes.
Yeah.
Was there a moment where thebusiness side of it came to you
or how, yeah, how did that cometo you?
Angie (16:54):
So, as I grew into my career, I was in corporate for
over 20 years and I got intohuman resources and then, uh,
another really.
instrumental experience in mylife was going to Iraq.
So I was in Iraq for three yearsin the defense industry.
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That was my niche.
That was my space.
And I knew that that's where Ifit, you know, while I was in
corporate.
And so with that, I just had aknack for doing things around
organizational development,coaching, It was just a natural
thing for me.
And so like, Oh, I know how todo this.
Well, let me get thecertification.
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So I did all the certifications,um, but I was actually doing
that in the corporate world andmy company just kept moving me
around to different places to dowhat I did.
And it, it was an interesting.
thing that happened because in2010, my mom was very sick and
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she had, she had chronic myeloidleukemia and we thought she was
dying at that point.
And so I, we made a detour on mycareer, my corporate career.
We were living inCharlottesville, Virginia, and I
was working for a defenseorganization.
They were about to relocate meto Baltimore, Maryland.
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Well, We thought my mom wasdying and really we felt a
strong pull to come back toIndiana.
Um, we felt like she, wasn'tgoing to last and we, she needed
help.
She went into remission.
When you got here?
Yeah, uh, yeah, within, withinsix months she went into
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remission but so I had taken ajob with a pharmacy Diagnostics
kind of organizationinternational organization.
I worked for them for two years.
That was not my jam It was Ialready knew that I was just I
made I was making more moneythan I had in my entire life But
that was not satisfying me.
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It was not fulfilling me and Irecognize, it's not about money
for me.
I have to be doing somethingthat's meaningful.
And so, just got a God memothat, Hey, you need to go out on
your own.
You need to do this on your own.
And so.
I'm like, okay.
And I announced to my husbandthat, Hey, you know, this
corporate career that I've hadwhere I'm making, butt loads of
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money.
Um, I'm going to stop that.
But the, the awesome thing is,is I had about an eight month
runway.
I knew that I was going to begetting a huge bonus.
I had eight months to getprepared.
And so once I realized that wasthe direction I was going, I
just changed my attention andstarted preparing for that.
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And I, I call that out becausewhenever you're trying to figure
out what your purpose is andwhat your calling is.
And when you, when you get theclues, you know, you get these
little clues, you start changingyour focus on what, what you're
doing.
Some people call thisserendipity.
Okay.
I, I call it, it's just God'sdirection.
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But suddenly people startdropping into your life that
were meant to fall in, based onyour purpose.
It's.
It's really such a supernaturalthing that happens.
And that was happening for mebefore I ever left corporate.
So I went along that path.
I left that organization,started my company, first 30
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days were kind of quiet, butafter that it just started
building and building andbuilding and building.
So it was a very successfullaunch to the business and I
wasn't doing all of this at theVIP center.
I was focused on corporateclients.
My platform is around executiveinfluence and presence and
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strategy around communicationand social agility.
And I still do some of that to adegree.
I just don't have to advertiseit because they already know who
I am and they just call me whenthey need me.
But, my business life reallytook off and it was even more
lucrative than my corporatecareer.
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But at the same time, I stillfelt like something was missing.
I was making all kinds of money.
And I was working harder than Ihad ever, yes, I was working
more hours.
I was just working day andnight, just trying to keep up
with it all.
And, uh, it was definitely achallenge.
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But, um, we had this brand newbig house that we just bought.
We, we had all the things.
But there came a, there was oneday, I was working corporate
stuff and I was working fromhome and I'm out.
I'm looking out the window I'mlooking at my crystal clear pool
out there.
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I'm like, I'm gonna go out thereand just take a little break So
I go out there.
I lay on the lawn chair It's allsparkly the pool and it's all
just a beautiful 76 degree day.
I'm like I kind of fall asleep,you know, I'm like, Lord, thank
you.
Thank you for giving all of it.
We've made it.
You know, I just rememberthinking all these random
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thoughts and I kind of dozedoff, but I just, I clearly heard
what I called this God memo.
Like, this isn't it, this isn'tyour purpose.
To whom much is given, much isrequired.
And I just sat straight up,right?
I was like, was somebody talkingto me?
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I laugh about it now, but Iwasn't laughing then.
But I, it really, it disturbedme.
It bothered me.
Because I thought, well, Ithought this is what I was
supposed to be doing.
And, so I, I would, I journaledabout it and, you know, kind of
let it fizzle off.
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That was like in August of 2017.
Well, January, 2018.
I'm sitting on my couch in myjammies.
There's beautiful snow out allthese little sparkly flakes I'm
looking at my giant Californiasized windows I'm just so happy
as a lark and I'm doing mystrategic planning for 2018.
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Yeah, I'm like, okay Lord I'mhere.
Tell me what I'm supposed to do.
And in my mind, I'm thinkingOkay, we're going to go off
after two more defense clients,you know, I've already got these
preconceived notions about whatmy purpose is going to be and
how I'm going to, you know,change the world in the
corporate world, teach everybodyhow to influence each other.
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And I get this God memo, veryquiet voice that says, I have a
building for you.
Um, so.
I was like, yucky.
I don't want that.
You know, I don't want that.
And, so I had written it on myjournal, because I am a
journaler.
And so I wrote it on my journal,and I just kept writing.
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Went to the next page, and I waslike trying to ignore that.
I was like, okay, maybe that wasa random thought.
So I start rationalizing aboutit, and I'll just tell you, over
the next few days, I just kepthearing that over and over.
I have a building for you.
And I found myself just arguingwith God saying, God, that means
I don't want that overhead.
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You know, I don't, I don't wantall that.
I'm happy.
And God's like, to whom much isgiven, much is required.
And so it took me a littlewhile, but I finally just got on
board with that.
And then later in the spring, I,I officially started, okay, I'm
going to.
See what this is about.
I had no idea what it was goingto be about.
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I had no idea that we would bewhat we are today.
But as I went on the journey tofind this building that God had
for me, Um, I started, ideasstarted coming to me.
It's like they just startedflowing.
Like, we have Airbnb rooms forfemale guests.
And then I thought, wouldn't itbe great to have a space where
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we could have our own events andwe don't have to book up, you
know, so I just started, allthese ideas started coming
through and then we came to thisbuilding, wasn't for sale and it
had never been fully renovated.
It was a hot mess and I walkedin here and I just felt like
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this building was, she wastalking to me.
And she was representative ofthe women that I would be
working with.
And she felt broken down.
She had felt neglected.
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And you look around and youcould see that she absolutely
was just a hot mess.
There's a lot behind that story,but just to fast forward, so my
husband and I, we took ninemonths to do the renovations.
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We managed everything ourselves.
It was one of the hardest thingsthat Um, I've ever done and it's
one of the hardest things myhusband and I have done together
but we managed to get through itand we opened August 23rd, 2019
and we've just been growing.
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I mean, we've just evolved andgrown, and as a matter of fact,
we're outgrowing this building.
Are you?
Yes.
We've been doing conferences forthe last four years and this
year for our Purple Lifeconference for Christian women,
we had to go to a differentvenue because we couldn't fit
everybody in here.
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So we're growing.
Leslie (27:02):
Yeah.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
That's exciting.
Thank you.
Angie (27:06):
This, I know this is a bunch of stuff, but it's.
So relevant to talking aboutpurpose because I don't think
many people wake up and say ohI've realized what my purpose
is.
It really is a discovery.
It is.
Leslie (27:21):
Well, I hear so many things in your story.
One is just being really intouch with God.
Mm hmm.
For you, for others it might beThe universe, your subconscious,
whatever it is that speaks toyou, a voice
Angie (27:39):
inside that's talking to you,
Leslie (27:42):
your gut, yes, or
Angie (27:43):
signs,
Leslie (27:45):
yeah, but being really in touch with that and listening
to it, yeah, surrendering to it,yeah, and then also there's a
lot of, just saying Okay, I'mgoing to do this and then doing
it through the hardship becauseit wasn't always easy.
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It was not.
But you did it anyway and, andthat's a trust factor,
surrendering and trusting.
Yeah.
Angie (28:17):
I love that you say it that way, surrendering, because
I would challenge that women doget nudges all the time.
Well men do too.
You know, I mean anybody.
You get nudges.
You get subtle clues.
That you're supposed to go in acertain direction, or you know,
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there's a purpose for you here.
And the thing about it, I usepurpose and calling together.
They, they work together, um,but a lot of times calling
doesn't look like we think itshould.
So sometimes we create a, avision in our head about what
that calling is and our purposefeeds into it.
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And then we find out, oh, wellthat wasn't really the calling
after all.
It was actually Something,something else, you know, um,
and so I'm just being in tunewith that is very key because
we'll blow it off or we'll say,Oh, you know, I'll think about
that later.
I don't have time for that rightnow.
And I, I see one of the biggestobstacles for women is the
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busyness spirit like, Oh, I haveso many things.
I have so many things to do andI've got to do this and I'm
responsible for that.
And it really is a mirage towhat your purpose actually is
and stepping into it.
And I like to help women wake upto that.
A lot of times we keep lists inour heads.
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I mean, I'm a list person as itis, but we keep lists in our
heads.
And we need to purge that out sothat the purpose can fit in
there.
Leslie (29:52):
Well, and as you were talking about the busyness
spirit is in so many ways thatkeeps us from the intuition that
comes.
You know what I mean?
Because we're so busy, we're sobusy, we're so busy that we
don't have those spaces.
It's to be out there by thepool, to hear, to be looking out
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the window and hear, to be inconnection with the voice that
speaks to us.
Angie (30:23):
Yeah.
And so one of the things that wedo for.
Our business members here is wedo like a Thursday mindset
coaching clinic.
We were actually talking aboutthis yesterday.
And a lot of times we will allowourselves to just be consumed
with overwhelm and panic andanxiety, which that is all
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rooted in fear.
That is a spirit of fear that iseating away.
At women.
And that's, I would say thatthat is one of the biggest
causes of their busyness isthat, that fear of not
succeeding or not doing theirbest or, whatever it is being
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judged and exactly, and just notdoing it all.
Right.
And so they, they just createthis big ball of fear and, and
overwhelm that gets in theirway.
And so one of the things that Ijust challenged everybody to do,
let's, let's just take twominutes to just be still.
(31:30):
Let's, let's do that.
You know, when we did thatexperiment.
I timed it for two minutes to,to let them just, just to be
still.
And then I asked them, you know,how many of you, it took you?
It took you a little bit toreally just get still and like
everyone raised their handthere.
It's because they're not used tothat.
They're not practicing that intheir lives.
(31:54):
And in order to hear that voiceor feel that nudge, you really
have to be still.
You do.
Leslie (32:02):
You do.
And that was probably the firsttwo minutes in a long time that
those women had.
Where it was an intentional twominutes to quiet the mind,
right?
Yeah.
So thank you for sharing yourstory.
It's an incredible story.
(32:24):
you work with a lot of women andwould love to shift gears a
little bit and.
And talk from your perspectiveof how purpose shows up for them
as entrepreneurs, right?
They're coming to you becausethey're an entrepreneur or
seeking to be an entrepreneur.
(32:45):
And how does purpose show up forthat woman?
Angie (32:50):
Yeah.
And really it's not just for ourentrepreneurial women.
We do have corporate women.
Okay.
We have of faith from all walksof life that are, trying to grab
onto this concept of purpose.
And so, you know, if I startwith the entrepreneurs, a lot of
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times they'll come in and, theywant to start a business, but
they really don't know why.
Did they know
Leslie (33:21):
what?
Angie (33:22):
Well, they think, so, usually by the time they get to
me, uh, they have an idea ofwhat they want to start.
And, so, a lot of them, they'lltake it from the career that
they just came out of.
So, they've made a living in thecorporate world or the work
world this way, but now theywant to do it on their own and
they think that that's whatthey're supposed to do because
(33:44):
that's how they spent all oftheir life.
And, as we get into the journeyof helping them stand up their
businesses, this never fails.
We get halfway through.
standing everything up andthey're like, I'm not sure this
is the direction I need to begoing.
You know, it's usually abouthalfway through they, they
realize that they're supposed tobe doing something else.
Leslie (34:07):
Why is that?
Angie (34:09):
Do you know?
I think it's because they'venever really been given the
opportunity to explore what thepurpose is.
Um, and It could be that peoplehave told them that they should
go into business and so theytend to really rely heavily on
other people's feedback or whatthey know.
(34:32):
And, it's not to say thatthere's not a calling in that,
that area, but when they thinkabout purpose, purpose goes with
you.
wherever you are and whateveryou're doing.
So purpose is not necessarilyyour business, right?
It's something deeper, you know,it's something that's connected
(34:55):
to, um, to connecting moredeeply with humanity and, um,
building relationship andauthenticity with other people.
It really is about the peopleaspect and connecting with them
and, uh, your purpose.
the day, maybe that you go andtalk to somebody and encourage
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them when they're not seeing away out of their situation.
So, just to give you an example,this year I have been studying
Abigail out of the Bible.
She was married to a modern daynarcissist.
He has a total jerk face.
Here she is.
She's in a time where, you know,he was rich, she's the only
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woman in the Bible that saysthat she's beautiful and smart,
wise, witty, had discernment,and so looking at her life, you
think she has everything.
She's got the money, she's gotthe looks, she's got the brains,
but I guarantee she wasabsolutely miserable in, in that
role because back at that timethey had arranged marriages.
(36:01):
She was probably bought by thisvery wealthy man who was a dirt
face.
And so I imagine she's likesitting there just waiting for
life to end because he's not agood person.
Well, what she didn't realize,she was going through that
suffering, but there came a daywhen her purpose and calling
came to life.
(36:21):
And that came through anunexpected way.
Um, her husband had ticked offKing David, who was, this was
before he became the big king ofIsrael and David kind of lost
his mind about it and told allof his 400 soldiers to strap on
their swords and they were goingto go kill everybody.
(36:44):
Well, so one of the servantscomes to Abigail and says, okay,
we need you to do something.
We need you to intervene becauseyour husband is a jerk face and
he's going to get us all killed.
So Abigail, what does she do?
She whips up like fullprovisions for 400 people and
she goes and she meets David shefalls on her face in total
(37:08):
humility and says don't payattention to my husband He's a
fool.
I've you know, forgive me Here'syour rations.
We want to take care of you andThen she began to prophesy it to
him and tell him You can't dothis.
You can't come and slaughter allthese people because it will
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tarnish your, your rule andyou'll always have blood on your
hands.
So you're about to be the kingof Israel.
And so she prophesied to him.
Well, and then he confirmedthat.
He says, God sent you to me thisday.
So I tell you this story becauseshe probably never expected
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that.
To be her purpose.
She probably envisionedsomething else and many women
are like that today they'relooking at their circumstances.
They're complaining about it.
They're comparing themselves toother people and You know a lot
of times they'll miss that Thatpurpose because they're not
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listening.
Right.
They're not being still andwaiting for, for it to be
brought about.
And there are a lot of womenentrepreneurs who come through
the doors that they're lookingin the wrong direction for their
purpose.
I know that's kind of conceptualand high level, and I could
probably give you, here are thefive steps that.
Leslie (38:34):
Well, I think it makes sense because, I mean, you
started by saying they come.
With an idea of what, but notwhy.
Angie (38:41):
Yeah.
Leslie (38:42):
And I'm imagining as they're going through this
process, they're starting toexplore a little bit more of the
why.
Yeah.
And realizing, okay, I've gotsome freedom here.
Yeah.
Angie (38:57):
Yeah.
I mean, I just had a strategysession with somebody today.
That I've been working with forsix months, and she is actually
going into a ministry typebusiness.
And I felt like she was reallystruggling about what she was
supposed to be doing.
And we can't, it all came backto purpose.
(39:19):
And I said, before we start,what is your purpose?
Leslie (39:23):
You know,
Angie (39:23):
and all these things that we have, all these things that
you want to do, you want topublish a book, you want to get
speaking gigs, you want to dothis.
What ultimately is the purpose?
And that was a game changer, tojust ask that question.
It seemed so simple andunassuming.
But it is such a powerfulquestion, and a lot of women
never get asked that question.
(39:46):
And so, I would say, I'm afacilitator of faith and purpose
because I ask that question allthe time.
Leslie (39:55):
Yay!
Angie (39:58):
Yeah, so, and that's usually why, halfway through,
They're coaching engagement.
Oh, I realize I'm going thewrong way.
Uh
Leslie (40:06):
huh.
Well, and I have, I have beenasking that question a lot
lately, too, for PurposeProject, and I have been told by
multiple people of how helpfulit is to have been asked so that
they could stop and think abouthow they would answer it.
Yeah.
And the reality is from myperspective, Our society we
(40:30):
don't have conversations aboutpurpose.
We're talking about the weatherwe're talking about, and that's
part of what I'm starting torealize.
I think I'm being called to dois make it more of a
conversation that's doesn't needto feel scary.
It doesn't need to feel likethis big old thing.
(40:50):
Your purpose today could be toopen the door for someone.
But it is something that is morea part of our everyday lives.
Yeah.
Because it brings meaning to ourlife.
Angie (41:02):
You know, just as you were saying that, opening the
door for someone, I like tothink of purpose, in the sense
of there are just these, I callthem holy intersections, right?
There are just these points intime when you're meant to be
somewhere for a specific personwhether it be to prevent
(41:25):
something or to facilitatesomething.
And they just happen over thecourse of your life.
And it's almost like there's amap out there for every single
one of us.
And we're moving along that mapto hit these intersections.
And And sometimes we miss them.
(41:48):
You know, a lot of times we missthem.
I still miss them.
I like to say that I'm in tunewith my purpose and calling, but
there are times when I miss it.
And sometimes I do it onpurpose.
Because I'm like, I'm too tiredright now, right?
But those intersections matterto people.
It's not just about you.
(42:10):
Right.
It's about the other person who,is supposed to have that
intersection with you.
Leslie (42:16):
Yeah.
Angie (42:17):
And that's, that's how I would look at purpose.
Like that big map ofintersections.
Leslie (42:24):
Yes.
I love that visual.
Because the other thing it saysis that sometimes you won't even
know why you were meant to bethere, but the other person
would.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Angie (42:40):
Yeah.
You could have no clue,
Leslie (42:42):
but you were meant to be there for a reason that, that
they took on.
And it also says the word thatwas going through my head as you
were talking about theintersections is trust is
trusting.
that you are where you'resupposed to be when you're
supposed to be there and notfighting it, there's so much.
(43:06):
Deflection of responsibility,you know, it's on you to make me
happy.
My employer needs to make mehappy, my family, and it's, and
it's really, it's responsibilityfor our selves.
Yes.
Yes.
For our purpose, for ourhappiness and entrusting that,
(43:27):
that it lives within us too.
Right.
You talked about that as well.
Yeah.
Angie (43:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love that you're sayingthat because I think about how
so many times we love peopleconditionally or, you know, love
is conditional.
But a lot of times we feel likewe should do things for people
because it's the right thing todo.
Versus we're really doing it outof a heart of love and gratitude
(43:56):
and when we're not operatingthat way, it's, and we're doing
it because we feel like we haveto, then it steps outside of
purpose, right?
It's no longer purpose.
Leslie (44:06):
Exactly.
At that point.
Yes.
Yes.
So,
Angie (44:09):
so love is wrapped up in, in purpose.
We've got spouses.
And sometimes we want to throatpunch them because they're not
doing what they need to orthey're like, throwing their
boots on the kitchen counter orthings like that But You know,
I, I used to be a person that Iwanted, I wanted everything
reciprocated,
Leslie (44:30):
right?
Angie (44:31):
If I'm showing you love, I want you to show me love back.
I want you to, if I'm going togive to you, you better give
back.
And that was the wrong mindsetto have.
So going back to you saying you,you've really got to manage
these things within yourself,and if I'm going to do
something, I'm going to do itbecause I want to.
(44:52):
And because there's love in myheart around that situation, or
there's compassion in my heart
Leslie (44:59):
around
Angie (44:59):
that situation, not because, if you scratch my back,
I'll scratch yours.
That's, that doesn't work inpurpose.
Purpose is very selfless.
Yeah,
Leslie (45:10):
well, and the you scratch my back, I'll scratch
yours.
You said it earlier, I'msupposed to do this, or, I have
to do these things becauseyou've done them for me as
opposed to, I'm doing thesebecause I choose to do them
because it's, it is who I am andit's out of love, yeah.
Angie (45:30):
That's funny, I was smiling because whenever I coach
people, I always remind themthat they live in choice.
Leslie (45:38):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Angie (45:39):
You, you don't have to do anything you don't want to,
right?
I mean, if you're doingsomething, it's, you're choosing
to, to do that.
And purpose is also a choice,right?
You can choose to do it or youcan choose to ignore it, but
you're the one that lives withthat at the end of the day.
Leslie (45:58):
Exactly.
Yes.
Love that.
So what advice do you have?
For women who are seeking tobring purpose into the
workplace, what advice do youhave for them?
Angie (46:15):
Um, so I would just say to women to remember that
purpose is it's probably notwhat you think it is.
Um, to allow yourself thosetimes to be still, to hear when
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your purpose is to be activated.
I would say that in theworkplace, purpose, it's not
always going to be like a hugebang.
It might be something verysubtle.
It could be This little nudgethat, hey, you need to walk by
(46:55):
such and such's desk and sayhello, right?
I mean, it's just being in tuneto that.
Leslie (47:03):
Um,
Angie (47:05):
I would also encourage women in the workplace, before
you ever go into work every day,make sure that you are having
time to, to just, I mean, I'm awoman of prayer, so I'm going to
go to God, I'm going to say,God, I want to live your purpose
today.
Show me what that is, no matterhow big or how small.
(47:25):
Um, if you're, I mean, even ifyou're not a woman of faith,
it's really just saying, okay,what's my direction today?
I'm open to that direction, andI'm going to purposely shut down
the busyness spirit that wantsto cut all of that out, because
the busyness spirit will crowdout every good thing in your
(47:46):
life.
And this sounds extreme, but youwill go through life having so
many regrets of not slowing downand focusing on the things that
really matter.
Yeah.
So, I would say that that'sjust, that's just a few things.
Leslie (48:05):
What is your morning routine?
Angie (48:07):
My morning routine is, um, before I ever get out of
bed, I'm usually awakened bythoughts.
So, I'm usually slaying those.
Laughter I'm taking everythought captive right now.
Laughter I grab a cup of coffee,and I immediately sit down and
(48:33):
just have that time of peace.
And I try to have a few minutesof quiet just to see what I
hear.
Uh, I, I have a time of prayer.
I've got a Bible app, and so I'musually looking at scriptures
and scenarios and just saying,God, what are you showing me
today?
I'll do a little bit ofjournaling.
(48:54):
My morning starts out, I set thestage, that way.
And, um, then when I get in mytruck, it's like a second wave.
I get in my truck to come to thebuilding and I'm just, I'm
tuning in.
I'm usually listening to adevotional, something that's
speaking life because there's somuch hate out there right now.
(49:15):
Right.
Um, I really try to stay awayfrom social media and all of the
junk.
Um, that's hard because thescroll addiction is real, but
I've also realized that that isjust such a time and a life
suck.
Yeah.
So I purposely try to stay awayfrom that.
Yeah.
And I'm talking to Godthroughout the day, making
(49:36):
decisions, but when I get in mytruck going home, I'm usually
right back at it.
I'm filling myself up withthings that are positive, you
know, good messages, uh, mighteven be some worship songs.
And yeah.
So that's,
Leslie (49:50):
yeah, thanks for sharing that.
You're welcome.
Is there anything left unsaid onthis topic of purpose?
I feel like I've said
Angie (50:00):
every single word that could be.
Leslie (50:04):
I'm sure we could go on for hours and days.
I would love to.
I
Angie (50:07):
know.
I know.
I just want to encourageeverybody when you're thinking
about your purpose, reallyrealize that it's probably not
what you think., some people arelooking for the, the big major
thing when really it might evenjust be these small little
(50:30):
things that, that push along.
And so just my encouragement isto look for that and to listen
for that and allow yourself tobe still long enough to hear and
see those things.
Leslie (50:44):
for being on Purpose Project.
Thank you.
I'm so glad you invited me.
As I listened to Angie's story,one thing kept standing out and
that is the importance oflistening to We often get so
caught up in the noise ofbusiness expectations and
(51:04):
strategy that we forget to pauseand listen.
Angie talks about it as thebusyness spirit.
But that quiet voice, ourintuition is always there.
It's guiding us.
And the question is, are wepaying attention to it?
(51:25):
When we take the time to tunein, we're not just gaining
clarity.
We're aligning with our purpose.
Purpose isn't something that wehave to chase.
It's something that we uncover.
When we create a space tolisten.
So what is nudging you rightnow?
(51:46):
And what would happen if youtrusted it to lead you towards
your purpose?
Angie, thank you for being onthe show and thanks to all of
you for tuning in.
Purpose Project is brought toyou for education and for
(52:08):
entertainment purposes.
This podcast is not intended toreplace the advice that you
would receive from a licensedtherapist or doctor or any other
qualified professional.
hi, my name is Leslie Pagel andwelcome to Purpose Project.
This is the place where weexplore the many ways that
purpose shows up in our livesand our work.
In this episode, I am joined byAngie Nuttle.
Angie is the founder of the VIPCenter for Business Women.
It's a space designed to helpsupport and empower women in
(00:27):
business.
Angie shares how Purpose hasguided her through building a
business.
She shares the patterns that shesees in women who are searching
for success and the criticalmindset shifts that change the
game.
If you've ever felt that pullthat nudge towards something
(00:50):
greater, this episode is foryou.
Let's take a listen.
Leslie (00:55):
Angie, thank you for being on Purpose Project.
I'm really looking forward totalking and exploring on how
Purpose shows up in theworkplace.
Angie (01:04):
Oh, that's one of my favorite topics.
Um, and I love that you're doingthis.
I've been watching some of yourpodcasts and you are just in
your zone.
You're in your element.
I just love it.
Leslie (01:17):
Oh, thank you for that.
I do.
I feel very much in my zone.
Some days it feelsuncomfortable, but for the most
part it feels really good.
I feel alive doing this.
I mean, you look at this, I wascoming into your space here at
the VIP center for womenleaders, women,
Angie (01:38):
it's VIP center for business women.
Okay.
Leslie (01:41):
VIP center for business women.
And you told me, yeah, go backto the circle room or pick where
you want to go.
And I came in here and read thesign.
Yes.
Yes.
Perhaps this is the moment forwhich you have been created.
Yes, and I was like, we aredefinitely recording here.
Angie (02:00):
This sign has gotten so much feedback from everyone who
comes through here because oneof the One of the important
aspects and themes about what wedo is helping women to step into
their calling and To help themto stop operating Beneath what
(02:20):
they were called to do and somany women have come through
these doors, and they've askedthat question What am I supposed
to be doing?
And a lot of them, they'll lookat that sign and like, that's
just a, that's a confirmationthat I'm in the right place.
Leslie (02:37):
Exactly.
Yes.
Well, I, I want to get into allof that, but before we go there,
share a little bit about whoAngie is personally and
professionally.
Angie (02:48):
Oh my Lord.
Big question.
Lots of stuff attached to thatSo I'm Angie Nuttle and I am the
founder of the VIP Center forBusiness Women.
So one of the things that we dois we help women to grow in
their faith and in business.
And we do that through coaching,through community, through
(03:08):
conferences, uh, throughconnection.
We do a lot of, work helpingwomen.
Entrepreneurial women who aretrying to liven up their calling
and step into the business worldas an entrepreneur.
Mm-hmm So we do a lot of donefor you services.
So in order to do that, mybackground has, has been in that
(03:33):
just knowing how to stand up abusiness and how to do all the
things, even the artistic andcreative things.
That's my jam, designing things,branding things.
Websites, social media,graphics, uh, designing book
covers, right?
I mean, anything that's artsylike that, uh, and that has an
(03:53):
association with business, um,that's what I do.
But, we also have, uh, a big,uh, faith based women's
community called Purple LifeCommunity.
So, Purple Life, is based onLydia, seller of purple.
So who was a single woman backin the Bible times, and she was
(04:15):
successful on her own and had asuccessful business selling
purple and making purplefabrics.
And I had no idea.
Yeah.
And so she really transcendedtime with having a business.
She was wealthy.
She was profitable.
And she was also purposeful andinstrumental in standing up
(04:39):
Christianity in Europe.
She was the first convert inEurope back at that time.
So, I was inspired by her andthat's a big part of who I am
and my identity.
So, that's, it's reflected inwhat we do here at the Business
Center.
Um, on a more personal note, I'ma mom.
(05:03):
And I've got Two grown children,um, and I have a 16 year old at
home.
I love all of them so dearly,and I've got four grandchildren,
which is just crazy to me that Isometimes I feel like I'm still
25.
At least in my spirit, but whenI see the grandchildren's I hear
Nana, Nana.
I'm like Yeah, I'm that old.
(05:25):
Um, Happily married to ErinNuttall and Um, I am a I am a
woman of faith and that reallycomes from just going through a
lot of suffering and hardshipsas I was growing up and I would
say that my story is prettyunusual compared to most people.
(05:49):
And that's why I wasn't reallyafraid to step into this big
vision that we have here at theVIP center.
Um, I came from a life of a lotof difficulties, a lot of trials
as a child.
I was in, I had a stint infoster care.
I was a runaway.
(06:09):
I was like bottom of the barrel,like, in terms of, I was just so
rebellious as, as a kid becauseof things that were happening
and, um, really did a lot ofsuffering.
And, but it's because of thosethings, it made me very driven
and very focused on doingsomething that, that matters.
(06:34):
So, there's a lot of stuffthere.
Leslie (06:36):
Yeah.
Well, I want to pull on thatbecause This is all about
purpose.
Yeah.
And a question that I askeveryone is, do you have a life
purpose?
And if so, what is it?
Angie (06:52):
Yeah.
And I will say that the lifepurpose as you get older, it
changes and it, it gets refined.
You go through breakthroughs andyou go through breakdowns and
you just go through all of theobstacles and the things, and it
really, it's like being clay andbeing shaped and molded into.
something very unique.
(07:12):
And so I feel like at this pointin my life, my purpose really
centers around helping women tostop being in prison, uh,
helping women to not only stepout of the personal prisons that
that they've been put into,whether it's by their own doing.
(07:36):
You know, in their own selfdoubts and self deprecation and
all of that, to even people inour culture and society, putting
parameters around them, and sothey think that they can't move
forward.
Um, I have a huge passion toshow women that the prison door
is actually open.
(07:57):
And you have a key.
So you're just sitting in there,whether you realize it or not,
you're sitting in that prisonand there is a whole other life
out here.
Right.
And I love helping women torealize that they have
everything that they need.
They're not missing anything,they're not lacking anything,
(08:17):
they're actually veryresourceful, creative and whole.
Um, I have, I have a challengewith people who say, Oh,
everybody's broken.
That is not true.
That's not the way we were made.
We were, we're not broken.
We're creative, resourceful andwhole.
And I'm on a mission to helpwomen to realize that and fully
(08:39):
step into that calling wherethey can impact the world in
really significant andfulfilling ways.
Leslie (08:48):
Well, and it sounds like hearing about your struggle, you
had the key, you unlocked thedoor and you walked out and
you're helping to bring that toother women.
Yeah.
How did that light go off foryou?
How did you flip the switch andsay, Oh, I have a key.
(09:09):
I'm going to, I'm going to letmyself out.
Angie (09:14):
That's happened over and over.
I've gotten into differentprisons.
Sometimes it's a jail.
Sometimes it's like apenitentiary where there's lots
of weight.
You got to get through lots ofrooms to get out.
Um, I would say that that.
has been an evolution in mylife.
So when I was 17 years old and Iwas made an emancipated minor by
(09:38):
the state of Indiana.
And it was just because I hadbeen in the system so much and
kept running away from fosterhomes.
I mean, and they were, they werenot good places to be.
Um And this, some parents mightbristle at this or think that
this is odd, but really one ofthe best decisions I made was to
(10:00):
actually step out on my own.
And I hitchhiked from Indianadown to Alabama and started my
life over.
That was, that was a majorturning point in my life where I
really became independent.
broke free from all of thetraumatic things that had
(10:23):
happened back home.
I wouldn't advise every 17 yearold to do that, but all of the
junk had not been worked out ofme.
You can leave a situation, butthe situation itself might still
be sticking with you and chancesare that that's what's
happening.
And so.
(10:44):
Um, I just went into a differentseason of my life and, got into
a very destructive marriage andmy husband loved drugs.
I had two kids.
He loved drugs more than us.
And it, that was another turningpoint where I had to make the
(11:06):
decision, to walk away from thatunhealthy situation.
Realizing that I had the key,but ultimately for me, the most
major event that I experiencedis when I got my undergraduate
degree and it was really amiracle.
(11:28):
I was the first person in myfamily to graduate with, with a
college degree and I hadsurvived quite a bit of, of
trauma just walking through thatand time.
Um, But I was very grateful.
The first time that I had everjust really felt such a genuine
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authentic gratefulness that Igot through it, that I made it
through.
And every time I think aboutthat, I think about the the day
I went to take my last finalexam, and I was still married to
my ex husband.
It was pouring down rain.
I had on a pink sweatshirt andsweatpants.
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And I was getting ready to getin my car to go, and my husband,
he did not want me to graduate.
He did not want me to go andtake that exam, and he took my
keys and he threw them out inthe front yard.
It was pouring down rain, and Iran out there, I fell, I was
covered in mud, I was soppingwet, but I found the keys.
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And so I grabbed the keys, gotin the car, went, I was sobbing
the whole way, went and took myexam, which I got an A on the
exam, and I ended up getting mydegree.
It was such a pivotal moment forme, and so this heart of
gratitude popped up in me that Ihad never felt before.
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So I went up to this little deadBaptist church where, you know,
everybody's like over 80.
I'm like this, you know, 23 yearold, and I was like, I'm going
to just go tell God I'mthankful, you know, that I'm
grateful that he got me throughthis.
So I walk into this, this littlechurch, I have no idea what the
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pastor was saying, it was, thisis what it sounded like.
That's what he sounded like.
But when this precious womanstarted playing this song, uh, I
Surrender All.
And I started singing that song.
Oh my gosh, I just, I justbusted out crying.
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I was just hysterically cryingand it was in that moment that I
just had this experience withGod.
And a huge burden and weight wasjust lifted off of me.
And it was the most miraculousexperience.
I've never quite had anexperience like that since then.
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But in that moment, I, there wassomething in me that knew that I
was going to be called to a, toa different kind of life.
And so I came out of there, whenI walked out of there, I was a
different human being.
I mean, literally for threeweeks, I didn't talk.
I was just so at peace.
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I had never been at such peace.
I just didn't talk.
I was, everything just lookedbrighter.
And as a matter of fact, my, myex husband, we were riding in
the truck one day and he says,what is wrong with you?
I said, what do you mean?
There's nothing wrong with me.
He says, You usually havesomething to say.
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You usually are smarting offhaving something to say.
It says you have not talked inthree weeks.
And I said, I just feel good.
I'm grateful there.
I'm not worried about anything.
And so, it was just for oneyear, I had a beautiful
honeymoon with God and thenafter that, it all went to hell
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in a handbasket.
And then more trials came.
I look back at all these trialsand all of the sufferings and
the different seasons, all thestorms that happened.
And I can look back at those nowand see where, okay, you got out
of this prison.
Now you have to work your wayout of this one and this one and
this one.
And, and it just made mestronger.
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And, I know that that wasn'talways just for my sake.
It was for the women that Iwould serve going forward and to
present day.
So all of that that happened hasbeen folded into what we have
for the VIP center and VIPstands for visions in progress.
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And that's exactly what we are.
But a lot of women, they don'tsee that.
They're trapped.
They're there, they limitthemselves by what's in their
bank account or what, Theirfamily says about them or, the
responsibilities that they thinkthey have there.
And I'm here to help women tounderstand that you're not
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limited by that.
Right.
So,
Leslie (16:26):
yeah.
And your business is set up tofulfill your purpose.
I mean, there's a direct,because not, that's not the case
for everyone.
Right.
But for yours, it is directly inalignment with, I'm gonna create
a business that allows me toserve In the way that I'm being
called to serve.
(16:46):
Yes.
Yeah.
Was there a moment where thebusiness side of it came to you
or how, yeah, how did that cometo you?
Angie (16:54):
So, as I grew into my career, I was in corporate for
over 20 years and I got intohuman resources and then, uh,
another really.
instrumental experience in mylife was going to Iraq.
So I was in Iraq for three yearsin the defense industry.
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That was my niche.
That was my space.
And I knew that that's where Ifit, you know, while I was in
corporate.
And so with that, I just had aknack for doing things around
organizational development,coaching, It was just a natural
thing for me.
And so like, Oh, I know how todo this.
Well, let me get thecertification.
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So I did all the certifications,um, but I was actually doing
that in the corporate world andmy company just kept moving me
around to different places to dowhat I did.
And it, it was an interesting.
thing that happened because in2010, my mom was very sick and
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she had, she had chronic myeloidleukemia and we thought she was
dying at that point.
And so I, we made a detour on mycareer, my corporate career.
We were living inCharlottesville, Virginia, and I
was working for a defenseorganization.
They were about to relocate meto Baltimore, Maryland.
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Well, We thought my mom wasdying and really we felt a
strong pull to come back toIndiana.
Um, we felt like she, wasn'tgoing to last and we, she needed
help.
She went into remission.
When you got here?
Yeah, uh, yeah, within, withinsix months she went into
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remission but so I had taken ajob with a pharmacy Diagnostics
kind of organizationinternational organization.
I worked for them for two years.
That was not my jam It was Ialready knew that I was just I
made I was making more moneythan I had in my entire life But
that was not satisfying me.
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It was not fulfilling me and Irecognize, it's not about money
for me.
I have to be doing somethingthat's meaningful.
And so, just got a God memothat, Hey, you need to go out on
your own.
You need to do this on your own.
And so.
I'm like, okay.
And I announced to my husbandthat, Hey, you know, this
corporate career that I've hadwhere I'm making, butt loads of
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money.
Um, I'm going to stop that.
But the, the awesome thing is,is I had about an eight month
runway.
I knew that I was going to begetting a huge bonus.
I had eight months to getprepared.
And so once I realized that wasthe direction I was going, I
just changed my attention andstarted preparing for that.
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And I, I call that out becausewhenever you're trying to figure
out what your purpose is andwhat your calling is.
And when you, when you get theclues, you know, you get these
little clues, you start changingyour focus on what, what you're
doing.
Some people call thisserendipity.
Okay.
I, I call it, it's just God'sdirection.
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But suddenly people startdropping into your life that
were meant to fall in, based onyour purpose.
It's.
It's really such a supernaturalthing that happens.
And that was happening for mebefore I ever left corporate.
So I went along that path.
I left that organization,started my company, first 30
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days were kind of quiet, butafter that it just started
building and building andbuilding and building.
So it was a very successfullaunch to the business and I
wasn't doing all of this at theVIP center.
I was focused on corporateclients.
My platform is around executiveinfluence and presence and
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strategy around communicationand social agility.
And I still do some of that to adegree.
I just don't have to advertiseit because they already know who
I am and they just call me whenthey need me.
But, my business life reallytook off and it was even more
lucrative than my corporatecareer.
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But at the same time, I stillfelt like something was missing.
I was making all kinds of money.
And I was working harder than Ihad ever, yes, I was working
more hours.
I was just working day andnight, just trying to keep up
with it all.
And, uh, it was definitely achallenge.
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But, um, we had this brand newbig house that we just bought.
We, we had all the things.
But there came a, there was oneday, I was working corporate
stuff and I was working fromhome and I'm out.
I'm looking out the window I'mlooking at my crystal clear pool
out there.
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I'm like, I'm gonna go out thereand just take a little break So
I go out there.
I lay on the lawn chair It's allsparkly the pool and it's all
just a beautiful 76 degree day.
I'm like I kind of fall asleep,you know, I'm like, Lord, thank
you.
Thank you for giving all of it.
We've made it.
You know, I just rememberthinking all these random
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thoughts and I kind of dozedoff, but I just, I clearly heard
what I called this God memo.
Like, this isn't it, this isn'tyour purpose.
To whom much is given, much isrequired.
And I just sat straight up,right?
I was like, was somebody talkingto me?
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I laugh about it now, but Iwasn't laughing then.
But I, it really, it disturbedme.
It bothered me.
Because I thought, well, Ithought this is what I was
supposed to be doing.
And, so I, I would, I journaledabout it and, you know, kind of
let it fizzle off.
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That was like in August of 2017.
Well, January, 2018.
I'm sitting on my couch in myjammies.
There's beautiful snow out allthese little sparkly flakes I'm
looking at my giant Californiasized windows I'm just so happy
as a lark and I'm doing mystrategic planning for 2018.
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Yeah, I'm like, okay Lord I'mhere.
Tell me what I'm supposed to do.
And in my mind, I'm thinkingOkay, we're going to go off
after two more defense clients,you know, I've already got these
preconceived notions about whatmy purpose is going to be and
how I'm going to, you know,change the world in the
corporate world, teach everybodyhow to influence each other.
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And I get this God memo, veryquiet voice that says, I have a
building for you.
Um, so.
I was like, yucky.
I don't want that.
You know, I don't want that.
And, so I had written it on myjournal, because I am a
journaler.
And so I wrote it on my journal,and I just kept writing.
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Went to the next page, and I waslike trying to ignore that.
I was like, okay, maybe that wasa random thought.
So I start rationalizing aboutit, and I'll just tell you, over
the next few days, I just kepthearing that over and over.
I have a building for you.
And I found myself just arguingwith God saying, God, that means
I don't want that overhead.
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You know, I don't, I don't wantall that.
I'm happy.
And God's like, to whom much isgiven, much is required.
And so it took me a littlewhile, but I finally just got on
board with that.
And then later in the spring, I,I officially started, okay, I'm
going to.
See what this is about.
I had no idea what it was goingto be about.
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I had no idea that we would bewhat we are today.
But as I went on the journey tofind this building that God had
for me, Um, I started, ideasstarted coming to me.
It's like they just startedflowing.
Like, we have Airbnb rooms forfemale guests.
And then I thought, wouldn't itbe great to have a space where
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we could have our own events andwe don't have to book up, you
know, so I just started, allthese ideas started coming
through and then we came to thisbuilding, wasn't for sale and it
had never been fully renovated.
It was a hot mess and I walkedin here and I just felt like
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this building was, she wastalking to me.
And she was representative ofthe women that I would be
working with.
And she felt broken down.
She had felt neglected.
(25:58):
And you look around and youcould see that she absolutely
was just a hot mess.
There's a lot behind that story,but just to fast forward, so my
husband and I, we took ninemonths to do the renovations.
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We managed everything ourselves.
It was one of the hardest thingsthat Um, I've ever done and it's
one of the hardest things myhusband and I have done together
but we managed to get through itand we opened August 23rd, 2019
and we've just been growing.
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I mean, we've just evolved andgrown, and as a matter of fact,
we're outgrowing this building.
Are you?
Yes.
We've been doing conferences forthe last four years and this
year for our Purple Lifeconference for Christian women,
we had to go to a differentvenue because we couldn't fit
everybody in here.
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So we're growing.
Leslie (27:02):
Yeah.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
That's exciting.
Thank you.
Angie (27:06):
This, I know this is a bunch of stuff, but it's.
So relevant to talking aboutpurpose because I don't think
many people wake up and say ohI've realized what my purpose
is.
It really is a discovery.
It is.
Leslie (27:21):
Well, I hear so many things in your story.
One is just being really intouch with God.
Mm hmm.
For you, for others it might beThe universe, your subconscious,
whatever it is that speaks toyou, a voice
Angie (27:39):
inside that's talking to you,
Leslie (27:42):
your gut, yes, or
Angie (27:43):
signs,
Leslie (27:45):
yeah, but being really in touch with that and listening
to it, yeah, surrendering to it,yeah, and then also there's a
lot of, just saying Okay, I'mgoing to do this and then doing
it through the hardship becauseit wasn't always easy.
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It was not.
But you did it anyway and, andthat's a trust factor,
surrendering and trusting.
Yeah.
Angie (28:17):
I love that you say it that way, surrendering, because
I would challenge that women doget nudges all the time.
Well men do too.
You know, I mean anybody.
You get nudges.
You get subtle clues.
That you're supposed to go in acertain direction, or you know,
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there's a purpose for you here.
And the thing about it, I usepurpose and calling together.
They, they work together, um,but a lot of times calling
doesn't look like we think itshould.
So sometimes we create a, avision in our head about what
that calling is and our purposefeeds into it.
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And then we find out, oh, wellthat wasn't really the calling
after all.
It was actually Something,something else, you know, um,
and so I'm just being in tunewith that is very key because
we'll blow it off or we'll say,Oh, you know, I'll think about
that later.
I don't have time for that rightnow.
And I, I see one of the biggestobstacles for women is the
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busyness spirit like, Oh, I haveso many things.
I have so many things to do andI've got to do this and I'm
responsible for that.
And it really is a mirage towhat your purpose actually is
and stepping into it.
And I like to help women wake upto that.
A lot of times we keep lists inour heads.
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I mean, I'm a list person as itis, but we keep lists in our
heads.
And we need to purge that out sothat the purpose can fit in
there.
Leslie (29:52):
Well, and as you were talking about the busyness
spirit is in so many ways thatkeeps us from the intuition that
comes.
You know what I mean?
Because we're so busy, we're sobusy, we're so busy that we
don't have those spaces.
It's to be out there by thepool, to hear, to be looking out
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the window and hear, to be inconnection with the voice that
speaks to us.
Angie (30:23):
Yeah.
And so one of the things that wedo for.
Our business members here is wedo like a Thursday mindset
coaching clinic.
We were actually talking aboutthis yesterday.
And a lot of times we will allowourselves to just be consumed
with overwhelm and panic andanxiety, which that is all
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rooted in fear.
That is a spirit of fear that iseating away.
At women.
And that's, I would say thatthat is one of the biggest
causes of their busyness isthat, that fear of not
succeeding or not doing theirbest or, whatever it is being
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judged and exactly, and just notdoing it all.
Right.
And so they, they just createthis big ball of fear and, and
overwhelm that gets in theirway.
And so one of the things that Ijust challenged everybody to do,
let's, let's just take twominutes to just be still.
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Let's, let's do that.
You know, when we did thatexperiment.
I timed it for two minutes to,to let them just, just to be
still.
And then I asked them, you know,how many of you, it took you?
It took you a little bit toreally just get still and like
everyone raised their handthere.
It's because they're not used tothat.
They're not practicing that intheir lives.
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And in order to hear that voiceor feel that nudge, you really
have to be still.
You do.
Leslie (32:02):
You do.
And that was probably the firsttwo minutes in a long time that
those women had.
Where it was an intentional twominutes to quiet the mind,
right?
Yeah.
So thank you for sharing yourstory.
It's an incredible story.
(32:24):
you work with a lot of women andwould love to shift gears a
little bit and.
And talk from your perspectiveof how purpose shows up for them
as entrepreneurs, right?
They're coming to you becausethey're an entrepreneur or
seeking to be an entrepreneur.
(32:45):
And how does purpose show up forthat woman?
Angie (32:50):
Yeah.
And really it's not just for ourentrepreneurial women.
We do have corporate women.
Okay.
We have of faith from all walksof life that are, trying to grab
onto this concept of purpose.
And so, you know, if I startwith the entrepreneurs, a lot of
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times they'll come in and, theywant to start a business, but
they really don't know why.
Did they know
Leslie (33:21):
what?
Angie (33:22):
Well, they think, so, usually by the time they get to
me, uh, they have an idea ofwhat they want to start.
And, so, a lot of them, they'lltake it from the career that
they just came out of.
So, they've made a living in thecorporate world or the work
world this way, but now theywant to do it on their own and
they think that that's whatthey're supposed to do because
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that's how they spent all oftheir life.
And, as we get into the journeyof helping them stand up their
businesses, this never fails.
We get halfway through.
standing everything up andthey're like, I'm not sure this
is the direction I need to begoing.
You know, it's usually abouthalfway through they, they
realize that they're supposed tobe doing something else.
Leslie (34:07):
Why is that?
Angie (34:09):
Do you know?
I think it's because they'venever really been given the
opportunity to explore what thepurpose is.
Um, and It could be that peoplehave told them that they should
go into business and so theytend to really rely heavily on
other people's feedback or whatthey know.
(34:32):
And, it's not to say thatthere's not a calling in that,
that area, but when they thinkabout purpose, purpose goes with
you.
wherever you are and whateveryou're doing.
So purpose is not necessarilyyour business, right?
It's something deeper, you know,it's something that's connected
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to, um, to connecting moredeeply with humanity and, um,
building relationship andauthenticity with other people.
It really is about the peopleaspect and connecting with them
and, uh, your purpose.
the day, maybe that you go andtalk to somebody and encourage
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them when they're not seeing away out of their situation.
So, just to give you an example,this year I have been studying
Abigail out of the Bible.
She was married to a modern daynarcissist.
He has a total jerk face.
Here she is.
She's in a time where, you know,he was rich, she's the only
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woman in the Bible that saysthat she's beautiful and smart,
wise, witty, had discernment,and so looking at her life, you
think she has everything.
She's got the money, she's gotthe looks, she's got the brains,
but I guarantee she wasabsolutely miserable in, in that
role because back at that timethey had arranged marriages.
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She was probably bought by thisvery wealthy man who was a dirt
face.
And so I imagine she's likesitting there just waiting for
life to end because he's not agood person.
Well, what she didn't realize,she was going through that
suffering, but there came a daywhen her purpose and calling
came to life.
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And that came through anunexpected way.
Um, her husband had ticked offKing David, who was, this was
before he became the big king ofIsrael and David kind of lost
his mind about it and told allof his 400 soldiers to strap on
their swords and they were goingto go kill everybody.
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Well, so one of the servantscomes to Abigail and says, okay,
we need you to do something.
We need you to intervene becauseyour husband is a jerk face and
he's going to get us all killed.
So Abigail, what does she do?
She whips up like fullprovisions for 400 people and
she goes and she meets David shefalls on her face in total
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humility and says don't payattention to my husband He's a
fool.
I've you know, forgive me Here'syour rations.
We want to take care of you andThen she began to prophesy it to
him and tell him You can't dothis.
You can't come and slaughter allthese people because it will
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tarnish your, your rule andyou'll always have blood on your
hands.
So you're about to be the kingof Israel.
And so she prophesied to him.
Well, and then he confirmedthat.
He says, God sent you to me thisday.
So I tell you this story becauseshe probably never expected
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that.
To be her purpose.
She probably envisionedsomething else and many women
are like that today they'relooking at their circumstances.
They're complaining about it.
They're comparing themselves toother people and You know a lot
of times they'll miss that Thatpurpose because they're not
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listening.
Right.
They're not being still andwaiting for, for it to be
brought about.
And there are a lot of womenentrepreneurs who come through
the doors that they're lookingin the wrong direction for their
purpose.
I know that's kind of conceptualand high level, and I could
probably give you, here are thefive steps that.
Leslie (38:34):
Well, I think it makes sense because, I mean, you
started by saying they come.
With an idea of what, but notwhy.
Angie (38:41):
Yeah.
Leslie (38:42):
And I'm imagining as they're going through this
process, they're starting toexplore a little bit more of the
why.
Yeah.
And realizing, okay, I've gotsome freedom here.
Yeah.
Angie (38:57):
Yeah.
I mean, I just had a strategysession with somebody today.
That I've been working with forsix months, and she is actually
going into a ministry typebusiness.
And I felt like she was reallystruggling about what she was
supposed to be doing.
And we can't, it all came backto purpose.
(39:19):
And I said, before we start,what is your purpose?
Leslie (39:23):
You know,
Angie (39:23):
and all these things that we have, all these things that
you want to do, you want topublish a book, you want to get
speaking gigs, you want to dothis.
What ultimately is the purpose?
And that was a game changer, tojust ask that question.
It seemed so simple andunassuming.
But it is such a powerfulquestion, and a lot of women
never get asked that question.
(39:46):
And so, I would say, I'm afacilitator of faith and purpose
because I ask that question allthe time.
Leslie (39:55):
Yay!
Angie (39:58):
Yeah, so, and that's usually why, halfway through,
They're coaching engagement.
Oh, I realize I'm going thewrong way.
Uh
Leslie (40:06):
huh.
Well, and I have, I have beenasking that question a lot
lately, too, for PurposeProject, and I have been told by
multiple people of how helpfulit is to have been asked so that
they could stop and think abouthow they would answer it.
Yeah.
And the reality is from myperspective, Our society we
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don't have conversations aboutpurpose.
We're talking about the weatherwe're talking about, and that's
part of what I'm starting torealize.
I think I'm being called to dois make it more of a
conversation that's doesn't needto feel scary.
It doesn't need to feel likethis big old thing.
(40:50):
Your purpose today could be toopen the door for someone.
But it is something that is morea part of our everyday lives.
Yeah.
Because it brings meaning to ourlife.
Angie (41:02):
You know, just as you were saying that, opening the
door for someone, I like tothink of purpose, in the sense
of there are just these, I callthem holy intersections, right?
There are just these points intime when you're meant to be
somewhere for a specific personwhether it be to prevent
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something or to facilitatesomething.
And they just happen over thecourse of your life.
And it's almost like there's amap out there for every single
one of us.
And we're moving along that mapto hit these intersections.
And And sometimes we miss them.
(41:48):
You know, a lot of times we missthem.
I still miss them.
I like to say that I'm in tunewith my purpose and calling, but
there are times when I miss it.
And sometimes I do it onpurpose.
Because I'm like, I'm too tiredright now, right?
But those intersections matterto people.
It's not just about you.
(42:10):
Right.
It's about the other person who,is supposed to have that
intersection with you.
Leslie (42:16):
Yeah.
Angie (42:17):
And that's, that's how I would look at purpose.
Like that big map ofintersections.
Leslie (42:24):
Yes.
I love that visual.
Because the other thing it saysis that sometimes you won't even
know why you were meant to bethere, but the other person
would.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Angie (42:40):
Yeah.
You could have no clue,
Leslie (42:42):
but you were meant to be there for a reason that, that
they took on.
And it also says the word thatwas going through my head as you
were talking about theintersections is trust is
trusting.
that you are where you'resupposed to be when you're
supposed to be there and notfighting it, there's so much.
(43:06):
Deflection of responsibility,you know, it's on you to make me
happy.
My employer needs to make mehappy, my family, and it's, and
it's really, it's responsibilityfor our selves.
Yes.
Yes.
For our purpose, for ourhappiness and entrusting that,
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that it lives within us too.
Right.
You talked about that as well.
Yeah.
Angie (43:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love that you're sayingthat because I think about how
so many times we love peopleconditionally or, you know, love
is conditional.
But a lot of times we feel likewe should do things for people
because it's the right thing todo.
Versus we're really doing it outof a heart of love and gratitude
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and when we're not operatingthat way, it's, and we're doing
it because we feel like we haveto, then it steps outside of
purpose, right?
It's no longer purpose.
Leslie (44:06):
Exactly.
At that point.
Yes.
Yes.
So,
Angie (44:09):
so love is wrapped up in, in purpose.
We've got spouses.
And sometimes we want to throatpunch them because they're not
doing what they need to orthey're like, throwing their
boots on the kitchen counter orthings like that But You know,
I, I used to be a person that Iwanted, I wanted everything
reciprocated,
Leslie (44:30):
right?
Angie (44:31):
If I'm showing you love, I want you to show me love back.
I want you to, if I'm going togive to you, you better give
back.
And that was the wrong mindsetto have.
So going back to you saying you,you've really got to manage
these things within yourself,and if I'm going to do
something, I'm going to do itbecause I want to.
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And because there's love in myheart around that situation, or
there's compassion in my heart
Leslie (44:59):
around
Angie (44:59):
that situation, not because, if you scratch my back,
I'll scratch yours.
That's, that doesn't work inpurpose.
Purpose is very selfless.
Yeah,
Leslie (45:10):
well, and the you scratch my back, I'll scratch
yours.
You said it earlier, I'msupposed to do this, or, I have
to do these things becauseyou've done them for me as
opposed to, I'm doing thesebecause I choose to do them
because it's, it is who I am andit's out of love, yeah.
Angie (45:30):
That's funny, I was smiling because whenever I coach
people, I always remind themthat they live in choice.
Leslie (45:38):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Angie (45:39):
You, you don't have to do anything you don't want to,
right?
I mean, if you're doingsomething, it's, you're choosing
to, to do that.
And purpose is also a choice,right?
You can choose to do it or youcan choose to ignore it, but
you're the one that lives withthat at the end of the day.
Leslie (45:58):
Exactly.
Yes.
Love that.
So what advice do you have?
For women who are seeking tobring purpose into the
workplace, what advice do youhave for them?
Angie (46:15):
Um, so I would just say to women to remember that
purpose is it's probably notwhat you think it is.
Um, to allow yourself thosetimes to be still, to hear when
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your purpose is to be activated.
I would say that in theworkplace, purpose, it's not
always going to be like a hugebang.
It might be something verysubtle.
It could be This little nudgethat, hey, you need to walk by
(46:55):
such and such's desk and sayhello, right?
I mean, it's just being in tuneto that.
Leslie (47:03):
Um,
Angie (47:05):
I would also encourage women in the workplace, before
you ever go into work every day,make sure that you are having
time to, to just, I mean, I'm awoman of prayer, so I'm going to
go to God, I'm going to say,God, I want to live your purpose
today.
Show me what that is, no matterhow big or how small.
(47:25):
Um, if you're, I mean, even ifyou're not a woman of faith,
it's really just saying, okay,what's my direction today?
I'm open to that direction, andI'm going to purposely shut down
the busyness spirit that wantsto cut all of that out, because
the busyness spirit will crowdout every good thing in your
(47:46):
life.
And this sounds extreme, but youwill go through life having so
many regrets of not slowing downand focusing on the things that
really matter.
Yeah.
So, I would say that that'sjust, that's just a few things.
Leslie (48:05):
What is your morning routine?
Angie (48:07):
My morning routine is, um, before I ever get out of
bed, I'm usually awakened bythoughts.
So, I'm usually slaying those.
Laughter I'm taking everythought captive right now.
Laughter I grab a cup of coffee,and I immediately sit down and
(48:33):
just have that time of peace.
And I try to have a few minutesof quiet just to see what I
hear.
Uh, I, I have a time of prayer.
I've got a Bible app, and so I'musually looking at scriptures
and scenarios and just saying,God, what are you showing me
today?
I'll do a little bit ofjournaling.
(48:54):
My morning starts out, I set thestage, that way.
And, um, then when I get in mytruck, it's like a second wave.
I get in my truck to come to thebuilding and I'm just, I'm
tuning in.
I'm usually listening to adevotional, something that's
speaking life because there's somuch hate out there right now.
(49:15):
Right.
Um, I really try to stay awayfrom social media and all of the
junk.
Um, that's hard because thescroll addiction is real, but
I've also realized that that isjust such a time and a life
suck.
Yeah.
So I purposely try to stay awayfrom that.
Yeah.
And I'm talking to Godthroughout the day, making
(49:36):
decisions, but when I get in mytruck going home, I'm usually
right back at it.
I'm filling myself up withthings that are positive, you
know, good messages, uh, mighteven be some worship songs.
And yeah.
So that's,
Leslie (49:50):
yeah, thanks for sharing that.
You're welcome.
Is there anything left unsaid onthis topic of purpose?
I feel like I've said
Angie (50:00):
every single word that could be.
Leslie (50:04):
I'm sure we could go on for hours and days.
I would love to.
I
Angie (50:07):
know.
I know.
I just want to encourageeverybody when you're thinking
about your purpose, reallyrealize that it's probably not
what you think., some people arelooking for the, the big major
thing when really it might evenjust be these small little
(50:30):
things that, that push along.
And so just my encouragement isto look for that and to listen
for that and allow yourself tobe still long enough to hear and
see those things.
Leslie (50:44):
for being on Purpose Project.
Thank you.
I'm so glad you invited me.
As I listened to Angie's story,one thing kept standing out and
that is the importance oflistening to We often get so
caught up in the noise ofbusiness expectations and
(51:04):
strategy that we forget to pauseand listen.
Angie talks about it as thebusyness spirit.
But that quiet voice, ourintuition is always there.
It's guiding us.
And the question is, are wepaying attention to it?
(51:25):
When we take the time to tunein, we're not just gaining
clarity.
We're aligning with our purpose.
Purpose isn't something that wehave to chase.
It's something that we uncover.
When we create a space tolisten.
So what is nudging you rightnow?
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And what would happen if youtrusted it to lead you towards
your purpose?
Angie, thank you for being onthe show and thanks to all of
you for tuning in.
Purpose Project is brought toyou for education and for
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entertainment purposes.
This podcast is not intended toreplace the advice that you
would receive from a licensedtherapist or doctor or any other
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