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March 31, 2022 15 mins

In our fourth segment of the podcast conversation with Julie and Kasandra, they share the importance of civic engagement and voting when it comes to women’s reproductive justice, the curtailment of voting rights, and issues around race and gay rights. In the midst of the uncertainty and strife, Kasandra speaks of a longing for home and invites Julie to come with her to a predominately black church. 

Finally, Kasandra shares the difficulty she had in getting a book study started at Cathedral of Hope, meeting with passivity and indifference. When Julie asks about black persons in representation of leadership at Cathedral of Hope, Kasandra compares it to corporate representation, being good “on paper”. 

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