Indecent Proposal: Demi Wanted Moore

A million dollars for one night with your spouse - would you take the deal? This provocative question sits at the heart of the 1993 film "Indecent Proposal," and it's made Cory lose sleep, even thirty years later.

Cory and Nick analyze this infamous film, noting how the first act brilliantly establishes the tension, only for the film to transform from erotic thriller into romantic comedy.  After deep diving the plot they also explore how this premise would change in today's world. Would one million dollars even be enough anymore? Would the power dynamics shift with our modern understanding of consent? And which current actors could step into these iconic roles for a remake?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast.
So, nick, now you see me, nowyou don't.
I'm just going to give you thefloor up top to get this out of
your system, listen man.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I know that everybody's waiting for our 30
years too late thoughts on thisWoody Harrelson movie.
But, corey, a lot of weirdstuff happened on April 1st With
a different Woody Harrelsonmovie A different Woody
Harrelson movie.
But, corey, a lot of weirdstuff happened on April 1st With
a different Woody Harrelsonmovie A different.
Woody Harrelson movie.
Like it was a weird April 1stbecause stuff that actually was
true was being announced and Iwas like that's not real.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Like the Beatles biopic.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I was like that's not real, that's fake,
that's fake news.
I kept having to tell you likeno, nick, this is legit, they,
there's literally a because, andand other people have brought
this up to me, so I guess it'sbecome a thing that I have a
reaction to.
But, corey, like how, how doyou make a movie based off of a
phrase and use half of the firstphrase for the first movie now

(01:18):
you see me and not go hey, let'sjust use the second half for
that sequel and instead justcall it now you see me too,
which is already egregious, coryyeah, that's pretty gross,
pretty gross like, because itsounds like now you see me too
right, you also see me yeahwhich, but to have the audacity
to not say now you don't for thesecond one commit to your

(01:42):
bullshit and just say three nowyou see me three.
But to come back around andthink that it's okay to now say
now you don't yeah, in allfairness, the whole title is
just now.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You see me now.
You don't right.
It's not just creatively nowyou like, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's a long title I get it, but you set yourself up
for it, it's true, even if youthought well, maybe there'll be
a sequel.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
We don't know so your issue is which, don't get me
wrong, it is a very passionatefeeling you have for a pretty
like forgettable movie it is.
I I have no idea if it's Inever saw.
Now you see me.
It just looked like a shittyversion of oceans.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
11 kind of it's like with magicians, with magicians,
just with magicians.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
With magicians.
I love Jesse Eisenberg's newestmovie with Kieran Culkin that
just got him all the awards, butI don't like Jesse Eisenberg in
almost anything else.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And so him as a leading man that's supposed to
be suave.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, there was that weird run.
They gave him like Zombielandand stuff he did good in
Zombieland.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
He did good Obviously , but they were playing into
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Zuckerberg was incredible, yeah they were
playing into his weirdness.
But with this one they werelike no, he's a suave,
charismatic guy and you're likeI don't, it's not there.
It's like when you try to makeNicholas Holt anything other
than the creepy guy or the sidecharacter.
I guess, yeah, he works asRenfield, but the movie Renfield
didn't work other than NicolasCage.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
But he was better in Nosferatu as the cuckolded.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
He was.
He was better in Nosferatu,where he belongs, corey.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Like you're playing the cuckold in the vampire story
.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's right, this is your spot.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And so, and I'll say this, I do think that Eisenberg
has a weird charisma to him.
I like him as an actor.
I just didn't get that in thatrole.
That was a weird.
I just thought I don't know ifhe's supposed to lead this.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And the thing is, I don't know if I'm coming off
super passionate, but I feel asif I'm almost tired.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, you're just mad.
It was an opportunity.
I'm not mad.
The first movie is Now.
You See Me.
I've been mad.
They made a second.
It should they're just.
Yeah, there's too much shitgoing on in the world for me to
be that upset about it, like oneday if there's a box set, DVD.
If they still make those things.
It's going to say now you seeme, Now you see me too.
Now you see me, Now you don't.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
There's going to be a lot of confused.
It's just inconsistent.
In 30 years some relative ofmine, my nephew, is going to be
like, hey, I watched this,really watched the sequel yeah
isn't it called?
Now you see me.
Uh, now you don't, nope no,it's not.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
What if they had said now you see me too.
Now you don't like die hard todie harder, what?
If it now, you don't at leastbe in the sub.
I could almost accept that okay, you would have at least been
okay like yeah, I get it's along title.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, you're working with it, like you're
acknowledging the honest truththat we all know.
Yeah, it's almost the onlysecond worst offender is the bad
boys series.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh, my gosh nick I'm, so I was gonna bring it up.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I was like.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was like I was like I have one of these.
It's, it's bad boys.
They say bad boys for life.
Yes, all throughout the thefirst two movies and then they
named the third one bad boys forlife, man cory this just then
they made a third one.
That's just called ride or dieand it's like you couldn't have
made the third one ride or die,and you couldn't have given us
four numeral four life for thefourth one cory.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
This just continues my belief that their hollywood
is run by idiots it's run byidiots, and creatives just have
to try to work with those idiotseven ai would have done better
even ai would have said are yousure you don't want to just do
nice?
I mean, I don't, it's gonna tiein really well.
And they had to go go, nope, toput a two in front of it all

(05:12):
right.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well, now that that's off your chest better, yeah, I
just didn't think you'd be ableto talk about a decent proposal
with that, and just gnawing atme for the past week a
microphone in front of you, justwant to yell about now you see
me.
You have a microphone in frontof you and you just want to yell
about Now, you See Me which isnow a trilogy.
That's so wild.
Who's been?
Who was asking for a third, oneof those I don't know In the
last 10 years?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Why can't we make movies, Corey?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I don't know why does no one want our movies?
I don't know.
But it's fine, they get ourpodcast.
That's talking about the what1993, 94, 93, 93 movie indecent
proposal odds are, if you don'trecognize the movie when I tell
you the plot, you're gonna go ah, or you just still will be like

(05:53):
sure, I feel like everyone'sheard the plot and I feel like
indecent proposal has beenreferenced in other pop culture
things.
Now, just to you know, referencesome really lopsided deal yeah,
yeah but it's a 1993 movie,okay, and the plot is a
billionaire offers a man onemillion dollars just for one

(06:13):
night with his wife.
Yes, and I remember it comingout as a kid.
I remember adults talking aboutit okay, you know it's not
anything I really wanted towatch.
It seemed boring you know my, Ihadn't hit puberty yet.
So I was just like whatever,this sounds gross, ew sex.
And so I watched this recently,nick, it was just on something

(06:35):
and I thought you know what?
I'll give it a shot.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's Demi Moore, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's Woody Harrelson.
It's Robert Redford.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Super 90s babe, demi Moore, woody Harrelson on his,
still holding on to that hair,Yep, yep, it's still there,
barely.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Robert Redford, maybe at his peak.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Old man peak, old man peak Likehe's really just look, how good
I look.
Like I'm old but I'm stillcharming the pretty Clooney.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, how great I'm getting like.
I just keep getting betterlooking like a fine one baby and
so, um, but yeah, and I watchedit and I I had, as soon as I
like watched it.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think I text nixon like we're gonna have to do a
podcast on this movie and Ithought I have to talk about and
I thought you were talkingabout like a simple favor yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
We had like a 10 minute conversation where you
were talking about a differentmovie.
I was just saying going.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Oh, really interesting.
Yeah, that's not what I thoughtthat movie was at all, and then
I finally was like oh.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I don't know what you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's the Blake Lively movie that came out a couple
years back, which is alsogetting a sequel.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think it's called Another Simple Favor, which
makes a lot of sense for asequel title.
So if you were to, make asequel than Indecent Proposal.
2.
More indecent, more indecent-er, less decent.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
So I listen this is going to maybe be a short
podcast, because I just needed amicrophone to vent this movie
or just talk about this movieYou're still processing.
I am processing this movie fora lot of reasons, because it is
kind of like this weird I don'twant to say erotic thriller, it
didn't like have Michael Douglasor anything To finish out our

(08:13):
story with this movie.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Corey, you watched the movie.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You had many thoughts and questions.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And you hadn't seen it, so I was like watch it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And then you made sure I watched it.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I said watch this, Continue we're.
Yeah, I said watch this becausewe're going to have to talk
about this on the pod.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So, as is tradition with most friends, if you watch
a movie that just infuriates you, you have to make your friends
watch it.
Yeah, and of course I watchedit.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I know what to talk to about this and my wife
refused and once I told her whatthe movie was about, she was
like I'm not watching.
That.
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Sounds about right, but I did watch it.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
And I pretty much had the same reactions you did.
I was live texting you as ithappened.
Did you feel a sense of relief?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I mean I'm glad someone else experienced it,
because the only otherexperience I have with anyone
watching this is our buddyChristian.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
He like listen, Christian and I both dated
actresses for a while, and ifyou've never dated actresses,
occasionally they're in playswhere they kiss other men.
Sure, and that's something yougot to deal with.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I had had experience with this.
I was a seasoned vet.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Christian was still new, and so he's still going
through the throes of like whatdo you mean?
They kiss in theater.
It's like I don't know man,this is like literally there's
an episode of this in everysitcom ever Like you know, it's
always.
Arnold getting to kiss or Douggetting to kiss Patty or Arnold
kissing Helga.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's like it's in everything.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
So this shouldn't shock you, but when he was in
this relationship, which wasvery rocky and I'm sure he'll he
doesn't care if I talk aboutthis now.
He's happy, he's married.
And so he watched this movieand it rocked his world.
He like he like text me said,don't ever watch this movie and
I was like, okay, he's like youknow, he's just like I, you know

(09:48):
, he was just having a lot oftrust issues.
Like it's just it's just he wasin a weird place, you know, and
he watches this movie where,yeah, like is, Demi Moore and
Woody Harrelson are married.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
And, but they need some cash.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
They've invested in some land and they're about to
lose it the dream home they wantto build it.
He's an architect he's going tobuild this dream home.
He's designed for them.
It's you know very how I Metyour Mother before how I Met
your Mother.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah and got it later.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
for sure, for sure they go to vegas to try and turn
what little money they add intomore money and it seems to work
.
Initially, they're doing welluntil they push it and they find
themselves at a low.
But then robert redford spotsto me more across the casino
that's right, and he's abillionaire and he's a
good-looking billionaire andthose aren't real and that's one
of the problems with this movie, and so um and yeah, so he

(10:41):
offers him money he does.
And then the rest of the moviegoes off the rails.
The problem with this movie,corey, is this like four movies
in one.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
It doesn't know what it is.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
It is a.
That's why I think I need totalk about it.
It's not that like.
I mean, I think I was shockedbecause I thought the whole
movie was will they, won't they?
Okay, that was always going tobe the movie that was like the
midway point.
Basically, oh my gosh it waslike it's like the.
It's the end of the first actyeah, it's like they, she does
it.
They agree okay to me more.
Go sleep with this guy for amillion dollars and we'll be

(11:12):
fine and then it's just thefallout and then, and then I.
But I thought the whole moviewas going to be a will they
won't they type of thing andlike, and maybe it being the 90s
, the happy ending is they don't, I don't, I don't know.
And so once it happens,immediately I'm like what is the
rest of this movie?
Yeah, you know, and to answeryour question, it's like they
don't know.
They made like three differentmovies that all run
simultaneously.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Because it's weird, because it turns into Robert
Redford's trying to steal awayWoody.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Harrelson's wife A rom-com kind of thing, a rom-com
?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like it's like the writers and directors just
forgot the first act that theywrote of this movie and we're
just like, we're just gonna makeit where.
Like they're like they'rehaving trouble and robert
redford's swooping in to like bethe good guy.
It's like no, he paid a milliondollars to sleep with a married
man's wife.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's like, it's like 30 minutes in, they fire the
director yeah and and he saidI'm gonna rewrite some stuff
because the first 30 minutes hasa very set tone.
Yes, like of this couples anddire straits.
They're super in love.
It's well written, like thescene where they're playing pool
and Robert Redford's making theoffer.
It's really well done yeah andhe's being all like and he's

(12:20):
being kind of nihilistic.
He's kind of being likeeverything's for sale, love's
not real right, you know likeand he makes the offer and they
say no right and then there'sthe great scene where demi more
I don't I doubt it was intendedthat way, but with 2025 lenses
totally gaslights her husbandinto agreeing to this, like she
just straight up I mean you'reokay, anyone in this situation

(12:44):
is gonna to go to bed going.
Did we make the right?
The million dollars?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's going to get in your head and you're going to
try to be like sex.
Isn't that big of a deal?
I mean you're going to start.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's one night for the rest of our lives.
They're in bed doing this.
They're both in bed going.
That's a lot of money, you know, just not talking and then she
just literally.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I would do it if you wanted me to Puts it in his
court, and that's how shephrases it.
She's like, if you, he doesn'tsay a word.
She's like, well, if you wantedme to, I would totally do it.
And it's like, oh my God.
And Woody Harrelson's like,well, I don't want you to, no.
And then she's like I mean,then she's again.
It's like I mean, it's just onenight, it's just sex, wouldn't

(13:24):
mean anything.
And she pretty much talks himinto this.
And he's like all right, I guess.
And the problem is then they doit All of her plaque comes in
and he's a good time in thismovie, the movie where two
people are pitching a script tohim and he's supposed to be like
their entertainment lawyerthat's, that's the best scene in

(13:48):
the whole movie, becausethey're like our last agent or
last lawyer wasn't tough enough.
And then they literallyoverhear him talking away to
harrelson saying I'll finalizethe deal for this man to sleep
with your wife.
I could have got you two ifyou'd come first.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
and they're like you're a guy.
You're like you're gonna sellyour friend's wife to a
billionaire for incredible andso, but like woody harrelson, he
like tries to chase helicopterdown.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's too late, they go to the boat.
The genius part of the movie isthey never show robert redford
to me more.
Do anything?
Nope, like, not even once.
Nope, like there's like I don'teven know if we see them.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Kiss, maybe, like maybe because that puts us in
woody harrelson's brain yeah, wehave to imagine.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
that's actually brilliant because we're kind of
like it is how long it went yeahwas it multiple times?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I mean in nick, we're proving the male brain.
Right now we are proving themale brain, which is exactly.
I need to know details right, Ineed to know how big, how long,
like, like, like duration times, you know, and's just like
which?
Of course we don't and we don'twant to know really, but we're
going to demand it and that'sthe following scenes and it

(14:52):
falls apart.
It's Woody Harrelson.
Like they've agreed never tobring it up.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
See, that was their mistake.
That was the mistake.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And Woody Harrelson, whoever wrote it, whoever wrote
the script, real script, realwell said this is what a man
would do.
He would immediately talk aboutit and I need to know if it was
good, if it was better than me.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
The mistake they made , cory, was that they should, he
, he should, and it was it's onhim.
It's on him because he shouldbe like look you go do it.
We talk about it one time yeahI'm gonna ask for details.
We talk about it one time andthen we never talk about it
again like I meani Moore bringsup.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
There's a great piece of dialogue in the movie that
she says that kind of defaultsthe whole purpose of that.
She's like okay, either I lieor I tell you he.
And it doesn't say lie, shesaid either I tell you he was
bad and it was boring and youjust assume I'm lying.
Yeah, or I tell and I was likethat's true, because at this
point you're going to lose.
Lose if you're Demi Moore andhe wants to talk about it,

(15:44):
that's true, yeah.
So I get the let's not talkabout it.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's a weird movie because like, yeah, there's
plenty of it that is wellthought out and well written,
but then but that's the lastgood scene, nick, yeah, that's
pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's it, because then it win over, like, like
we're watching a j-lo rom-commovie once they have the giant
fallout and woody harrelsonmoves out, it becomes robert
redford, just kind of showing upand being charming in her life
yeah like going to the classesshe's teaching and like he's
like got the whole classlaughing and like, oh, I'm
pursuing you and I'm abillionaire and I'm super

(16:19):
charming yeah and like oh,you're a real estate agent, let
me let you sell me a reallyexpensive house.
I'm going to fill it with allthe things you told me, to
including two cute dogs.
It's like what am I watching?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
right now.
Yeah, like it's really weird.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
It turns into just the most like weirdly odd
romantic comedy where you'relike dude, you broke up their
marriage.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, like it's, then he does yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
The movie wants me to root for you now.
The movie wants me to root foryou now.
I'm confused and then, goingfrom one romantic scene with
them two to the next scene, isWoody Harrelson's life just
spiraling out of control.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
He is just in class.
He's trying to teach.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Living in a shed with his dog.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, it's the worst, and he tries to win her back
and that doesn't go well either.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
There's a really odd.
I mean Rip Thorne and BillConnolly are in this movie in
weird roles.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Isn't Bill Connolly as Bill Connolly as Bill?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Connolly, and I just don't remember a time where Bill
Connolly had that kind of starpower.
To be like this is a big dealif Bill Connolly's running.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean Muppet Treasure Island was kind of a
big deal.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I guess I'm not saying I'm not a fan.
It just seems like theyprobably propped him up.
It's like this was the biggeststar in 1983.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Right, it was pre boondock saints as well, so like
yeah it's not like he's justthis known actor at that point.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
And so I I mean I, he might've, maybe he's big
overseas.
Maybe, it's, it's wild.
There's this really like poorlywritten thing about hippos in
it that plays a massive part.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, people are.
We're losing people.
Yeah to to explain, becauseyou're never going to watch this
movie.
You're relying on us.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
We're going to give it to you I mean you should
watch it just to experience thethe absolute chaos that this
movie there's like a bid onraising funds for animals yeah,
noel conley's the mc man.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
He's selling rich people animals, right but
basically like but I don't thinklike you can.
Can you buy the hippo, or is itjust like I'm donating?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
money.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I feel like it's one of those things where you give
someone a lot of money and youget to go to a zoo and say
that's my animal, yeah, yeah Ithink it's one of so like
they're doing a bidding war androbert redford, like you know,
raises his sign up and then,from the back, in a dramatic
manner, woody harrelson's likeone million dollars, because
he's just spending the milliondollars that redford paid him to
sleep with his wife yeah on thehippo for his wife yeah,

(18:28):
because she lets she, becauseshe lets woody harrelson keep
the money yeah because she's nowdating a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Right, she's somehow like there's a part where she's
like you can keep the money andit's like f you lady, like you
really think that makes his lifebetter why a hippo that's the.
That's what I meant by poorlywritten Nick.
They keep referencing hippos inthe movie but I don't ever
remember the scene where hipposare a big deal A tiger.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
What narrative use does a hippo tie into all this?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
There's some flashbacks that allude to.
They went on some first date,maybe to a zoo, and they saw a
hippo.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
But I don't think they ever explicitly state that
she has a thing for hippos.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's just at the end.
We now know that the key to.
Demi Moore's heart is to buyher a hippo.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So this is just the plot of Snow Day.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Kind of Other than like I mean that scene's only
important in the sense thatRobert Redford could have 100%,
said a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was waiting for him to just go two million.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
He literally could have done it.
He's a billionaire.
He could have just been likebut that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
See, that's the problem.
We've talked about this.
Is that, Robert Redford?
The problem with this movie isno one's a dick, no one's a
total dick.
They don't go full heel on.
Robert Redford had been a pieceof shit, which was more likely
because, hey, he already paid amillion dollars to sleep with a
married man's wife.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
He already bought a person.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, so, so, like I was waiting for him to go two
million dollars because I knowthis guy doesn't have jack.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, because that million dollars is, I gave him.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, that's my million dollars actually.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
But like that is part of the problem, but like it, at
least in that scene it showsthat Demi Moore is not worth a
million and one dollars toRobert Redford, that's true,
because he could have.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
He could have.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know.
But again the problem is they'dnever go full heel.
Yeah On Robert Redford.
It's like they know that he'sthe villain, but it's like
someone in 1993 said we can'tmake.
Robert Redford a bad guy, butyou can, but you can.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And that's the problem.
So at the end of the moviesorry, we're way past spoilers
for this, so just turn it offand watch it later but he
literally realized, like afterthe hippo thing, he decides to
like break up with Demi Moore,basically by telling her like oh
, you're just one of like 12women I've done this with.
Oh yeah, robert Redford doesthis.

(20:45):
Yeah, to like get her, theintention being to get her to
break up with him, which Ithought that I was going to be
like.
This reveal that like oh, thisis where the heel turn shows up.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, I'm literally in my house going finally.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
All right, he is saying like I'm a dick, you're
just like number 12 of themillion, 12 of the million.
He calls it the million dollarclub.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
And he's just like, and you'relike, oh, finally, he's like,
he's revealing that like dude,you don't mean anything, you're
just here until I find my nextmillion dollar but they
literally portray it as like.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
She like reads into it as like oh, you're trying to
give me the easy way out.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Thank you, she says him on the mouth.
It's like you haven't learnedanything to me more.
You're still cheating, Evenafter your epiphany.
You still choose infidelityover your husband, who you
haven't divorced yet.
Well, no, technically, woodyHarrelson signs the paper at the
hippo auction I don't know whenit's, but that night they

(21:37):
pretty much break up.
Yeah, I mean like I don't knowwhat constitutes the divorce.
I don't know if the lawyerstill has to file something.
I don't know if they're stilltechnically divorced.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean he's a billionaire, he can get it wiped
.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
That's the thing with the whole hippo scene as well,
man, is that Woody Harrelsonshows up and it's just too weird
.
That's the problem with thisscene Bill Connolly's chewing up
scenery and, and like we're atthis place where you, as the
audience, do, we're kind of likeas a normal person who doesn't

(22:09):
have money, 99% of the audienceis going like wait, rich people
go to things where they buyanimals for lots of money.
It's totally not relatable.
No, this would have been somuch better if they were like at
a car auction.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Something, because you're just like oh yeah, rich
people buy cars, yeah you know,and it's not bill conley, you
know, just up there.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So the scene's already too weird.
It's too fixated on bill conleyand hippos.
And then so when woodyharrelson dramatically says a
million dollars, and it'ssupposed to be this heroic
moment, yeah, it still justleads up to him coming up to her
and saying, like him,apologizing I'm not really sure
for what he slept with nobody.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
True.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And he didn't really want to do it in the first place
, Corey it sounds like you'rejust mad at Demi Moore.
I think they don't write Demi'scharacter well, because I think
at the end, when you analyzethis movie, she's technically
the villain and I don't thinkshe's intentionally meant to be
the villain.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think it's just the way they wrote I think they
just didn't know how to write it.
Yeah and uh, right, they'reending this scene's gaslighting
woody into it.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Woody wants to stop it before it happens yeah he
kind of pushes her to say thesex was good, um, and that kills
him inside, sure, and then theysplit up and she essentially
just starts and she gets sweptup by a millionaire man.
I'm sorry, but she kind ofproves this point that the
horrible point that RobertRedford makes at the beginning

(23:28):
of the movie is, like anyone canbe bought, love's not real.
She kind of proves it, man.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
But don't worry, because Robert Redford's a good
guy, Corey.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's the like.
But the whole hippo heroicscene is just for Woody
Harrelson to come up himapologize and then say here's
the divorce papers.
Go through with it.
This is where you're supposedto say I love you and I don't
want to lose you.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
F Robert Redford it would have been if they had just
made him simply just go twomillion and just do it so cocky
and just look back at WoodyHarrelson and be like, yeah, I
know you ain't gotten shit yeah,it would have been.
I don't know, it would havehelped because at least then
he's like thinks he won and thenwoody harrelson just has to go.
I had to try, you know I had, Ihad to see if I could win you

(24:10):
back, kind of thing.
But yeah, he signs the divorcepapers.
I mean, even if he had saidthat, and then he's.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
But he's like this is what you want, than here like I
want you to be happy it's thisweirdly like okay, it's a clunky
scene because of all the thingsI've mentioned hippos and bill
connelly it's already all overthe place and you're kind of
already as the viewer going likewhat is happening.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
But the fact that it's supposed to get to like
this moment of Woody Harrelsonshowing up and essentially
sacrificing his million dollars.
It's a weird thing that thatjust leads up to him signing the
divorce papers.
It's like or just keep themillion if you're going to
divorce her Right.
I don't know what you're tryingto prove here man yeah, I don't
know, because and that's theproblem, nick that's supposed to
be woody's big moment ofwinning her back and said he

(24:49):
signs divorce papers and youknow who gets the big moment.
You know who gets the bigmoment robert redford the
billionaire robert redford, whocaused this whole damn problem
because he's horny nick I meanlike that's the thing.
He didn't fall in love withdemi more across the room.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
He just wanted to have sex with her very clear at
the end that's a power dynamic.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
That's a cuckold thing.
That's a like she's married toyou and I kind of into that with
the movie I've changed if woodyharrelson had to watch hmm,
like at like go full, like hehad you definitely, um, yeah,
probably like a he knows whathappened yeah b they get the
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
C it makes redford kind of dark and twisted.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I get what you're saying.
Okay, now we're in thephilosophy of like.
Is it worse knowing your wifeslept with another man?
And you have to just guess whathappened and what all happened.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Or watching it almost unwillingly, or watching it,
yeah, like there are peopleBecause they don't have to guess
, there are people out therethat don't mind, that are into
that lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Nick is not kink shaming.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm not kink shaming, but in this scenario the
characters you have portrayed isthe husband.
Clearly doesn't want, is notinterested in that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
The wife seems to be somewhat interested in that.
Enough to say yes to it andconvince him to do it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I mean I just like 12th or 13th woman doing this,
yeah and like if your kids arelistening, maybe don't ever let
them listen to our podcast.
But like if they are, like thisis we're getting into the sex
talk now.
And like I get what you'resaying, nick, because I think
that is a theory you have to ask.
Like all right if he had beeninvited into the room to watch.
He isn't in his own head.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Because I think that that also somewhat lines up
better with the first act of themovie.
He's whining and dining her.
He's kind of you know, he'sjust putting.
He's basically saying who hasthe bigger dick competition?
And then to just sit there andmake love to somebody else's
wife and just keep a shot of himlooking over or something and

(26:42):
Woody looking away or beingashamed of it or something.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
But if Woody's there, there's a chance where Demi and
Woody get to look at each otherduring and connect intimately
and emotionally that might makehim feel comfortable, like it's
like.
Well, she's still into me.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, and that's the big, that's the big thing,
that's the big.
Tell like if they make eyecontact and it's more of like a
I'm doing this for you kind ofvibe, or or if it's like, oh,
she's really into this kind ofvibe.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's a gamble.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's the two ways you can go with it, like he can
be, like I saw it in your eyes.
I saw that you enjoyed it andthat it wasn't just business for
you.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean like that depends.
That would depend on WoodyHarrelson's like fragility.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And I think that's the thing needed.
You needed him to be fragile,which he was, but you and you
needed redford to be worse yeah,oh, we definitely need robert
redford to be worse, because atthe end to me more kisses.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Him says thank you and then his like weird
bodyguard.
That's in the movie it's likewhat are you talking about, boss
?
You don't have a million dollarclub and he's like she'll never
look at the me at the way shelooked at him right, and it's
like wait, so he's a good guy.
No, just pull the trigger.
No, he has a million dollarclub and he uses women and he's
a terrible guy like the worst.
Oh my gosh, there should havebeen a mid-credit scene of his

(27:55):
private jet crashing and we allcheer, yeah, but instead it's
just nope.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Robert redford's actually just the best guy in
the movie, and woody harrelsonhis whole arc is just like
getting cuckolded for a milliondollars he's nicholas holt in
nosferatu honestly 100 like hejust gets nothing out of this
yeah, now to be fair to him andnicholas holt, they try, they do
try to be active members of thestory tries really hard like

(28:21):
he's and but but lily rose deppmisleads, she's like, yeah, go
to go over there to kill him oh,it's legitimately a cuckolding
session.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
At the end of Nosferatu, it's literally like
hey, honey, could you go out andget some eggs?
And then invited the neighborover like Nosferatu, david
Eggers, nosferatu goes realweird.
In the end it's just like whatis so?
They're genuinely sending himon an errand so those two can
have sex.
But if you think but WillemDafoe's in on it, he, he's like
he is in on it.
He is telling her you gottasleep with this dude.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
But to be honest, though, not to completely shift
gears, but at the end ofNosferatu that's kind of what's
set up to be is like they'reconnected, obviously, and like
Nicholas Holt and them are gonnago die if they try to go fight
Nosferatu in the traditional wayand I'll tell you right now if
Nicholas Holt had been in theroom and watched what happened,
he would not have been thatthreatened like Nosferatu's
body's gross.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
It looks just like they kind of spasm a little bit
and then it's just over andthey're dead.
He would have not beenthreatened by that at all,
probably not, no so but we, evenas the audience, don't know if
Robert Redford was incredible ornot.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I mean, we just know Demi Moore at some point does
say yes.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was good, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
But that could mean anything, you know, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So, corey, we've already like deep dived this
quite a bit.
Let me just take a pause forour audiences.
We're going to give them alittle bit of critic stats here,
so we can just know how theomelette was made.
Corey, are you ready for this?
Yes, for the way too late,useless critic stats and
information.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, that's true, that's true, so indecent.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Proposal 93 the runtime is 117 minutes under two
hours.
The director is adrian line uh,best known for flash dance nice
.
Nine and a half weeks, fatalattraction dang.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
He was unfaithful.
He was just into intoinfidelity.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He was, he was that's his thing.
He was like let's go.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
You're lying to me.
This director directed all this.
All of the dangerous sluttyerotic thrillers oh my gosh,
that is incredible.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
He just had a kink.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Man oh, that's awesome.
Hey, he knew his lane and justsaid I'm really good at now.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
here's okay, here's where some things start to make
sense.
The writer uh is amy holdenjones.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's based on a novel by jack engelhard yeah, which
apparently is more about, like,middle eastern conflict
interesting.
I mean, that would make moresense because, apparently, it's
set in the middle east and it'smore about, like, oh, a person
from this country pays sleepwith another person from this
country, and it's more about, Iguess, middle East politics.
Sure, and it is about money andcapitalism.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I mean that gives a whole different dynamic to it,
because then it's like he, themillionaire or billionaire at
that point, doesn't view DemiMoore as a human.
Yeah, you're cattle to me, likeyou're, you're a, you're a
thing, an object of my desireamy holden jones wrote are you
ready for this?
yes, mystic pizza okay beethoventhe dog movie all right and the

(31:15):
other notable thing is therelic of 97 nice, so solid.
So you're seeing like mysticpizza beto family friendly,
rom-com era, like world stuff.
Right, forgive me, I don't knowif I've even seen mystic pizza,
but that's what it is rightyeah yeah uh, producer sherry
lansing, uh cinematographer,that's not really important, but

(31:36):
he also did fatal attraction,lolita and man in the iron mask.
Uh, this, howard atherton.
The movie's budget was 38million.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It made jeez it made 266.6 million worldwide gory man
, a lot of people want to seealot of people wanted to see.
I mean, I guess I mean 90strailers suck.
I'm sure it's just like will heor will she or?
Probably all right and thenwhen the first 30 minutes,
they're like, oh, she's alreadydone it, what?
What are we doing now?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
critic stats imDb got a 5.9 out of 10.
The fans gave it a 5.9 as well.
Rotten Tomatoes 34%.
Critic audience score 42%.
Metacritic 35 critics 5.4audience members Letterboxd it's
sitting at 2.8 overall.
We both gave it two stars.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Okay, this is pretty middle of the road, pretty
middle of the road.
Do you want to guess what ourdear friend roger ebert's had to
say?
There's no way roger ebertliked this movie.
There's just no way he?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
there's no way he gave it three out of four stars,
cory so he was having a goodweek that week.
It is artificial, manipulative.
In the real world this sort ofthing would never happen in this
way.
But then that's why we line upat the tick window.
We want to leave the real worldfor a couple of hours anyway.
Why would you say that aboutthis movie?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I don't know, that's an Avengers quote.
It really is.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's not a hey.
I want to look at an infidelityerotic thriller.
The movie is a very oldtradition in which love is put
to the test of need and desireand triumphs in the end.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Not need and desire Money.
Yeah, money, money.
It's put up against money.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's main awards, corey, because it won some
Golden Raspberries in 94.
It won for best worst picture,worst supporting actor for Woody
and worst screenplay.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Wow, okay, for best worst picture, worst supporting
actor for Woody and worstscreenplay.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Wow, okay, and it was .
Everybody else got nominated aswell, including the original
song you Love Me in All theRight Places.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Tell me, Whitesnake wrote that Lisa Stansfield Dang
just sounded like a Whitesnakesong.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It did win Best Kiss for the MTV Movie Awards.
Between who, though?
Between Demi and Woody?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, alright, See, alright, alright.
It's like because if it hadbeen for Demi and Robert Redford
, then we're just supporting theinfidelity.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And it was nominated for Best Female Performance and
Most Desirable Female as acategory in the MTV Awards that
year.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think this is the movie that more or less did
break Demi Moore Like outside oflike.
I think at this point she'sjust kind of side woman or kind
of rom-com woman.
I think this is what led her toGI Jane and stuff.
It was a serious movie.
She's coming off a few good menthe year before.
But, again she's playing secondfiddle to Tom Cruise, and

(34:20):
they're all playing secondfiddle to five minutes of Jack
Nicholson.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Let's look at Demi Moore because she's had a moment
.
This is good for us.
We let's look at Demi Moorebecause she's had a moment.
This is good for us.
We're tying into current events.
Yeah, she almost won.
She lost to a stripper, aRussian stripper, but anyway,
irony.
St Elmo's Fire in 85.
We jumped to.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Ghost in 1990.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's a rom-com.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's a rom, it's a romantic.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Few Good Men in 92.
93 is Indecent Proposal.
Then in 96, she's voicingHunchback of Nostradam.
She's in Striptease and sheappears in Beavis and Butthead.
Do America.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I think Striptease is where she kind of lost the plot
.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
She thought she was going to get an Oscar for that.
I would have given her an Oscarfor that.
Guess what I learned today.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Striptease is a book.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Interesting.
I used books for today.
I saw striptease.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I read the thing and I was like this is the movie.
That's incredible, it was basedoff a book.
I'm going to read it.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
And then 97, gi Jane.
She keeps popping up in theAustin Powers movies.
Weirdly enough, all three ofthem actually.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't remember what she is.
She's a producer.
Oh, she's a producer a rough goof it.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
We get to the substance in 2024.
She's nominated for an Oscarbut loses to a younger version
of herself.
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Which is the plot of Substance Right.
It's almost like the Oscarsknew it wouldn't be, hilarious.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Is that every Oscar voter?
They're like it's kind of funny, it's kind of funny it's kind
of funny if we vote my e-madisonlisten um.
Jamie lee curse got an oscarand brad pitt got an oscar just
for being likable what waseverything, everywhere all at
once, and then once upon a timeokay now.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I think jamie lee's was hey, it's time I think brad
pitt's was earned.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I'll stand by that okay, okay, all right, fair
enough, fair enough.
Um, what else is there to say,cory?
Um, apparently, adrian lynn,the director, and demi had
disagreements on set regardingher character and woody
harrelson had to act as themediator between them.
Uh, it obviously sparkedcontroversy.
Like we talked aboutdiscussions focusing on morality
and the concept of love beingcommodified, because we're not

(36:28):
even really talking about that.
We, we understand.
That's what the movie's about.
Yeah, we're just talking aboutthe execution of it all no, yeah
, the execution is just weirdyeah and it's off and like, hey,
I'll ask you this.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Let me ask you this okay because, again, I think I
like.
I like simple plots.
I'm a massive fan of simpleplots.
Sure, if someone had said, hey,I'll make a movie where this
billionaire offers thisstruggling couple a million
dollars to sleep with his wife,I'd be like this is a great idea
and let's write it because it'sa character study.
It's like let's throw all thecharacters into a pit of
excrement and see what they looklike when they come out you
know and how they deal with it,but it's just executed poorly.

(36:59):
It's just weird Once the firstact's over which is great the
movie just goes off.
The rails and it's all over theplace and they won't commit to
vilifying the villain.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
It is a shift of all shifts.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, it's just weird .
So it's executed poorly.
Not that the idea is bad or thetheme is bad or the questions
it proposes are bad, but let meask you this Should it not have
been Demi Moore?
Because to me, demi Moore isjust maybe too sex pot.

(37:35):
Well, that's, that's the wholepoint.
I think we, I think we needed,like like a more girl next door
sex pot, to where we theaudience understand, because I
think we're meant to know thatdemi more didn't like go do it
for any other reason than themoney.
Sure, I I think we're supposedto believe because I I really
like I think the best scenelegitimately in the movie is
Woody demanding to know thedetails.
And her saying I'm screwedwhether I say it was bad or it
was good, because either wayyou're not going to believe me

(37:56):
or you're just going to assumethe worst.
I think she's genuinely tryingto say it was just sex.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
So we needed more of a Helen Hunt or something.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I need Julia Roberts in this.
I wouldn't even do JuliaRoberts, I don't.
I think she'd be a girl.
Next, door.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Listen, you can call Julia Roberts, a girl next door,
all you want to.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
She was still a bonafide babe, she's a babe,
don't get me wrong, she's a babe.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
But I get what you're saying.
Redford targets her because, inthis logic, because she's hot.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm not going to look it up, but there's no way Julia
Roberts wasn't offered thisrole, probably because the guy
made Mystic.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I mean, they just made no way.
He didn't, he just did prettywoman and I bet that's what I
bet.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
She didn't want to play like that again.
She's like man.
I just played a hooker and nowyou want me to play a woman that
sleeps with a dude for amillion dollars.
Like no, she's like.
I'm tired of making out withRichard Gere.
I don't want to go make outwith Robert Redford.
Give me a someone my age tomake out with.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Others considered for a decent proposal included Tom
Cruise, nicole Kidman, johnnyDepp, tim Robbins and William
Baldwin.
All I see is Nicole Kidman.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Really See, she's too sexpot man.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
So I get where you're kind of coming at, because if
you have more of like a girlnext door type, we'll say Helen
Hunt for example, An innocenceto them, like a very like you
know, Like it's it becomes lesslike, if she's the one going, I
mean, I would do it for you.
I guess there's less of a thingof like, well, she's this
beautiful person that is alwaysapproached in some way like this

(39:19):
.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, like she just already like kind of has a high
opinion, like I know I'm reallyattractive and it makes sense,
you know like.
I, I needed more of like theinnocent kind of give me Anna
Kendrick like now you know notto like hop into like thinking
of what this movie would looklike now, but like well, that's
what we do, that over MargotRobbie.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Sure, of course, margot.
Robbie's going to go sleep withthe billionaire, but then it
because but then I guess thenbut, and logic of the
billionaire changes because it'snot just my million dollar club
of like I'm going to find thehottest women that are off
limits to me and pay my way in.
It then becomes like I'm goingto look for a villain.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
He wants to destroy innocence.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, he's trying to destroy, like he would see them
and say like, oh they're.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
They're like a young, actual in love couple, like
genuine couple it's also this Ithink it's like when I say sex
pot, I'm not talking about justaesthetic, I think I'm talking
about like vibe.
Sure and maybe just like eventhe vibe of their career with
the retrospective, like it'skind of like Marilyn Monroe
versus Julie Garner, who playedDorothy.

(40:20):
Why can't I think of that name?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Judy Garland, judy Garland.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Kind of that.
It's an era of innocence versusan era of like sex pot got kind
of thing so like in moderncontext, sydney sweeney versus
yeah like an anna kendrick or orsomeone like that like that
kind of whole thing.
Like I think it weirdly changesthe tone of it to some degree
you know?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
yeah, so, but they can still be attractive.
It's just more about, like, whothey are as a person in julie
garden or judy garland are bothsuper attractive women cindy
sweeney and, like anna kendrick,are both super attractive women
.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think it's just like a vibe you get like in
terms of like their personalityhow hollywood sells them, you
know, and it's like why demimoore's being sold as a babe
yeah you know where julie robertwas being sold as a sweetheart,
oh well america sweetheart nameAlright okay, alright, you're
older than me, you know thesethings.
So I think that would have mademe happier, okay, personally.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, let's just transition through that question
If we're recasting the threeleads and we'll just say modern,
since that's easier for us torack our brains immediately with
.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Who do you have?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Let me tell you this If you made this movie five
years before, Before this.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, if you make it like in 1987, 88.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you have Judd Nelson in
Woody Harrelson's role Ringwaldor Sheedy in the other role,
let's go Sheedy.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Okay, yeah, that works better.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And James Spader as the billionaire.
Oh, the movie's just perfectbecause James Spader's gross.
We can't make James Spader notsleazy, right?
Yeah, he's Robert California.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Always.
He's always been RobertCalifornia.
And I think the movie wouldjust work if that's just the
cast just five years before.
I just think in a million yearsit's just like that wouldn't
work.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
You know a weird name that came to my brain as we
were having this discussion like, if you're doing, we'll say
late 2000s, early 2010s.
Yeah 2000s, early 2010s, ifyou've ever watched Alexis
Bledel, the girl from the showthat escapes my brain right now,
the mother and daughter aregrowing up to their Lauren
Graham's in it.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
The Gilmore Girls, the character of Rory that's
pretty much Alexis Bledel.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
She's gorgeous, but she's very much mousy and quiet
and timid.
You get someone like her andyou pair her like yeah, someone
that's likable like a woodyharrelson well, for the, for the
sake of the air, I know he'sproblematic, but like, say, shia
labeouf or something yeah, ishe still problematic?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
he's apparently.
Yeah, I think he's stillproblematic.
I never hear about him.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Apparently he, I think he beat his like wife or
something oh, that's not good.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, or ex-wife, or girl.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Allegedly.
We can look that up, we canfind out.
I don't want to accuse peopleout here.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
You already said it.
Why?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
is.
Shia LeBeouf, cancelledAddresses.
Disturbing allegations ofsexual battery and physical
verbal abuse brought against himby FKA Twigs in a 2020 lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh, that's right.
Fka Twigs did say like, hey,man, he was a bad dude.
Oh, that's right.
Fka Twigs did say like, hey,man, he was a bad dude.
I remember that.
Okay, yeah, you're right, shutup both.
Yeah, he's bad news right now.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But you could get like the guy from the food show,
the bear Jeremy Allen White.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Jeremy Allen White, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
You could throw him in the Woody role right there.
I'm trying to think of somebodymodern that would shaylen
woodley like, yeah, that could,that could work yeah, I think so
I'm like again, like if I wasrecasting this now like if
someone told me I needed torecast this, like today.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I am gonna get like an anna kendrick in the role
yeah like I, because I it, Ijust need someone that just like
seems more grounded yeah youknow, um, and again, I do not
want this to be interpreted asI'm not saying anakin drinks a
track, super track no, yeah, wetotally no, yeah, for sure and
uh and sings like a g and so um,but like, and then in terms of

(44:12):
woody harrelson's like characterlike I, I really think you can
plug almost anyone in that role.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Give us Nicholas Holt .
He plays this really well.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, give him Adam.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Driver.
No, no, no, no.
Adam Driver's my billionaire.
You know why?
They need to not beconventionally attractive.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Okay, that's the problem with Redford?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
He shouldn't have been conventionally attractive,
he should have beenunconventionally attractive.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
He was 56 years old in Indecent and Proposal.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I don't know how old Adam Driver is, like my age.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
But I'm just saying like that's.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
But now you can be a billionaire.
Much younger Right, true, true,true, except it'd be on.
Youtube yeah, back then it waslike you had to accrue money
over your lifetime.
Now it's just like you do dumbstuff, like, let's say, we're
making this movie, yeah, in 2025, yeah, but we're just not smart

(45:09):
okay, and we're like let'sdirect this at teenagers.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Okay, would mr beast be a fun billionaire?
That's like that's not justteenage core, that's like
elementary people.
Elementary, yeah, they're intomr.
Really, I thought it was likemiddle schoolers or teenagers.
It's middle school, but it alsorides that who's letting their
elementary school kids onYouTube.
Man, it's just on YouTube.
They're fifth graders, theydon't need to be on YouTube, man
, they're fifth graders andthey're like oh, mr Beast, he's
so cool he just he's pretty meatpredators man.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
But either way, I think Mr Beast would be a fun
billionaire to watch seduceawkwardly with weird challenges.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
See, that's where you get Jesse Eisenberg and you
just put him in the role as likea Mr Beast or a Michael Cera or
something Like.
Then it becomes like weird.
I don't know if I can do that,you know.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No, I just want Mr Beast and I want Mr Beast
bringing the girl into thismansion.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
He just bought off her and all the doors locked and
he's like we're here for 40days and all these.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Oh my god, there's a camera there and a camera that
is to be fair.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
In my experience around mr beast, that is the
extent of his acting abilityokay, all right, so it's just,
it's that, it's that so he'sjust gonna be.
He's here.
He's very quiet, outside of hispersonality, but when the
camera's on he turns it up to 11.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Hey, man, play yourself, yeah, but you're just
really into paying to sleep withwomen.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Now, if you want to play older, you could also let
Tom Cruise get another shot atbeing a villain.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Oh I, mean like 100%, like okay, if we're like going
to try and cast it correctly,it's Brad Pitt, brad Pitt's just
the next Robert Redford.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, and he's also 60
something and he looks 30.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
That's the one, and he just has to be charismatic
and sexy.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
But he would do it right, Like he would be like no,
I got to be a dick.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, brad Pitt would go full heel.
Yeah, he would go 100% be likenah, I'm not doing this ending.
And if there's the scene whereWoody Harrelson's character is
having to watch like he's 100%make an eye contact with Woody
Harrelson.
Oh, he would.
Oh my I don't know, like ifBrad Pitt's looking at you, then
you're like, yeah, it's allright.
It's.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Brad Pitt I mean a lot of couples have hall passes,
but you're not expecting it tobe like the random billionaire
that shows up.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Okay, let me ask you this Is there such a thing as a
hall pass of like who I wouldlet my wife sleep with?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Like a reverse hall pass.
Isn't that the concept?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
it's like no, like the hall pass is like who I get
to sleep with like no matterwhat, like yeah, if they, if
brad pitt offers to sleep withme, my wife can't be mad or who
she can sleep with okay, and Inot be mad, okay, but can I have
my own reverse hall pass?
Of like my, my hall pass kindof needs to match, your hall
pass yeah, it's like because mywife's not attracted to brad
pitt.
So basically I would be likeit's like Cause my wife's not
attracted to Brad Pitt, but Iwould be like it's Brad Pitt.
It's the indecent proposal hallpass, corey.

(47:37):
Kind of yeah, it's like if, ifGeorge Clooney came to you and
said I'll give you a milliondollars to sleep with your wife,
who's that?
Who's the George Clooney?
Who's the Robert Redford thatyou would say.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
George Clooney, you know would Like call her the
next day.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Send a nice note.
He would some flowers, but he'dalso be like thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
So much for a wonderful time it's going to be
pretty great.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
He probably would fly you out too and let you just
traverse around town.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, I feel like he's a class act.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
He seems to be, seems to be so.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay.
But here's the thing, Now thatwe've brought my wife into this.
I explained this movie to mywife and I asked her to watch it
.
I was like I need to watch this.
I need to watch this movie withsomeone.
She's like what's it about?
And I immediately told hershe's like no, that seems sad.
I don't want to watch like thismarriage, this movie about a
marriage just imploding.

(48:24):
And I'm like it kind of it'slike it tries to have a happy
ending but it doesn't reallytheir life is shattered they go
back to like the up here.
That again is supposed to playsome sort of significant,
significant role in their lifeand I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I don't remember referencing the pier.
Is that where they saw hippos?
I bet it was in that expositionat the beginning that woody
harrelson did where he's justlike we met when we were like
five we've been there since wewere kids, like maybe so that's
probably probably, he probablyreferenced hippos and appear and
yeah, you know, and then therest, the movie.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
We've done a podcast now where we just didn't pay
attention to the first fiveminutes and there was a lot of
exposition dumping that's onthem, yeah so like they go to
the yeah, the endings, just theygo back to the pier and like
she, like takes them back butyou're like there's.
They don't just get over this.
You know they have to go totherapy forever.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's one thing.
I think they could have workedthrough it if they agreed to
therapy after the first fight,where she said yeah, the sex is
good.
I think if he had said pause,listen, we got into something
that we thought we were preparedfor, but I'm not.
We need to go talk about thiswith the licensed professional.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think their marriage would have got like
that's your problem is that it's1993 and it's still taboo to
have a therapist that's true,but instead she's like let's
separate for a while.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Oh, and, by the way, I'm gonna start dating the guy
now, like no, now we're done.
Now you brought emotions intoit and like how good was the sex
if you're gonna keep talking tohim you know, like you know now
you've.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You've gone too far to me, and this is you can't
just go back to the pier andhold his hand like it's it's
they, it wanted to be, like thissweet ending or something, and
it's like no, like it's acompletely shattered marriage.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
You're gonna have to slowly rebuild kind of like I
need to shower after this movie.
I feel gross for everyoneinvolved, like and also robert
redford.
I just don't like.
You made me hate him by tryingto make me like him.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
It's true as an actor .

Speaker 1 (50:17):
I don't even want to watch his movies anymore.
I'm just mad that he didn'tfight to be more of a villain in
this movie.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
He should have.
Do you think, oliver, did youfeel bad for Oliver Platt, that
he needed a shower?
Oliver Platt was just the same.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
He's a third movie happening.
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
He's in a different movie is, and he's in the best
movie yeah of the movie.
He's just a nihilistic, doucheylawyer who's like talking about
Thornton's movie yeah, he getslike fifth billing now, like on
IMDb, because there's only likefour people, yeah, and then he's
fifth billing as just the extrajust a guy.
Yeah, he just seems to knoweverything about Robert Redford

(50:55):
yeah, yeah, he's againexposition, yeah, he's like you
don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
John gage man.
He's got more money in god, youknow, I sleep with him, you're
like that guy's gonna be realfamous in about three years and
so um, but anyways, I digressand it's.
It is fat, billy Bob.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Okay, you have to remember he was pudgy back then.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's right this was the year before his tombstone.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And so, anyways, back to my wife being a part of this
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
She refused to watch this movie, so that's why I made
you watch it.
So we're going to talk about iton this podcast because I just
need to talk about this movie.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's just that wild it's just that wild and it's
just that gross it's.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It's weirdly brilliant and awful at the same
time.
Got it, got it, and so I didask my wife, though, because I
think everyone who watches thismovie will ask the significant
other oh, for sure, all right soif someone offered us a million
dollars?
You know, and my wife.
She's immediately like I'm notsleeping with anyone for a
million dollars, like absolutelynot.
You know, she's like that'sgross, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Blah, blah, blah and like and I'm like yeah, and I
don't really want you to.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I think I would woody harrelson out yeah, on it like
I think I would just genuinelylose my mind, like even even a
secure man might just all of asudden go I'm, I'm an insecure
mess you know, and like, so I'mlike I don't know.
But then then the question goeswell, what if a woman offered a
million dollars sleep with me?
My wife whored me out fast.
All of a sudden it's less aboutbeing a person.

(52:24):
It's all of a sudden less aboutlike, like the ethics and
morality and our vows.
All of a sudden she turns intoto me more oh, 100, it's like
it's like.
She's like what's a milliondollars?
Think about what we could dowith that court.
We could buy a house, we couldput it down payment on.
You know, like something youknow we could look more than
adoption.
All this.
All of a sudden it's like whoa,whoa.

(52:46):
What happened to all the stuffwhen the, when the shoe was on
the other foot.
You know like, you're just cool.
She's like I mean, it's justlike we.
She's like she.
Again, she's like it's just sex.
We don't talk about it, it's amillion dollars.
Just make sure the check's inmy name.
And I'm just like, oh my gosh.
And so I've gone around askingand this is like.
This is a weird double standardthis is.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You're reliving 1993, cory.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
This is a weird double standard, so I I don't I
doubt women listen to ourpodcast.
You know we know a few that do.
I have found most men are likeno, absolutely not.
Like no.
They all admit I would WoodyHarrelson out.
Like no, that would mess withme too much.
And every woman's like oh mygosh, yeah, a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I mean it's a million dollars, corey.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
She's like what time are you going to be home?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's that kind of Well, you know, just let me know
when you're on your way home.
Just make sure you got thatcheck man.
If you can pick up some milk onthe way, that'd be great,
You're just like.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Oh, my gosh Like.
So I think that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
It is pretty funny, did you ask your girlfriend?
I did not.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yet I'm sure it like texting my wife while this
movie's going on.
I'm like, hey, what are wedoing in this situation?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
just in case we gotta know what.
What's the we're?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
weirdly in a casino pretty often that's true, that's
true so like we have one in ourtown and it's a place to go eat
and like what if a billionaireand your family does seem to
love vegas yeah, and like seesus.
You know like I just want to beprepped okay, yeah, got it and
it's.
Hey, I'm just gonna say, Iwould rather you not, but of

(54:19):
course she's like well she'slike you go for it, Just get
that money.
I'm just like oh okay, so I'm aprostitute, Cool.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
For a million dollars .
Corey.
I mean, I get it, but man it'sjust like come on, babe, Fight
for me a little Act like you.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Don't want me to Get a tear going when I'm getting on
the helicopter to be taken outto some boat to be used by some
60-year-old woman.
She's planning all the tripsshe's going to take Now in all
fairness in this movie that isme and Jube.
If it's Sally Field on the boat, like alright, I'm game.
She's in her 70s, I think.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I think she is.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, but I'll take that bullet.
That's my hall pass.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Corey, that's not a bullet.
If it's your hall pass.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Oh my gosh.
So yeah, I have found this fundouble standard with this movie,
when you ask me.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Interesting 78 years old she's almost 80, Corey.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Dude in a heartbeat, that's someone's great
grandmother In a heartbeat.
I'll do it for half that, allright.
I mean, I feel like there'snothing else.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
We've just we've lobbed it up to the audience.
Now, what would you do in thisscenario?
And now they're all going toturn to their partners.
There's going to be divorces.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
There's going to be some breakups.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Some people are going to get on Bumble as a couple
and to be that people.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Those people that we're looking for someone to pay
us a million dollars to havesex with my wife, one of us,
yeah like you can pick, honestly.
So but yeah, I yeah, it's thismovie.
I really would recommend peopleto watch it, just to experience
it okay okay, they just need to.
I like I watched this and Iwatched the like 90s video game

(55:54):
based horror movie brain scan inthe same week, and brain scan
was a more normal movie thanindecent proposal.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I mean you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Edward Furtalong plays a video game in which he
murders people in real lifethere's a weird creepy 80s
slasher that kills no one, buthe's in the movie.
It's odd it's all get out andsomehow watching both these
movies in the same week.
Indecent proposal was a weirdermovie and pretty much all
because of Bill Connolly andhippos.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Like just what was going on.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Okay, it's time to wrap it up it is.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
This might be the podcast you feel better.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I feel better having talked about this movie.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I still haven't texted Christian to let him know
I've watched it.
I don't know if he's stillholding any trauma from it, but
I need to he'll be like did youlike it?
I'm just like hey, man, we'reboth married now and we're both
in happy places, and so maybe wecan talk about it now.
So, but yeah, I don't know whatelse to say about this movie

(56:53):
other than I hope they remake itone day.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I really do be sure to subscribe and follow us on at
quantum recast.
Hold on, stop, stop, stop in2025.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Does the money go up?
Oh, it has to, especially rightnow.
Well dang it okay, a milliondollars, still a lot of money.
Still a lot of money for us soI think it.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I think it becomes even more.
I don't know if ironic's theright word, but it becomes like
more, like yeah, the billionaireis gonna have a million dollars
they can, just because it's notjust that they're billionaires
anymore, they're multi-billionyeah, and see, that's my thing,
zuckerberg, I don't want to askfor five like, yeah, they're
gonna yeah at this point.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, it becomes like the like buying a house in my
small town's gonna take halfright like you're gonna you're
gonna come to the table now.
Go like we want 10 yes, and tryto work them down to the five
to seven right, yeah, and dealyeah, exactly okay okay, I did
think that I was like if weremade this movie.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Now there's no way it would be just a million dollars
.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, because it, because it, because then,
because we were very aware ofbillionaires, now, yeah, like
we'd be, like we want 10 do youthink any of the billionaires
that we're aware of now likehave paid some dude to sleep
with his wife for a milliondollars, a hundred percent Like,
because at that point you'rekind of like I could do like
they watch the movie and they go, I could go do this.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh for sure You're telling me that the Elon Musk's
of the world.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
He's world.
He's got like 80 children.
Right, exactly, that's right.
Okay, yeah, probably him, forsure.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Okay, all right, that's those are my last two
questions.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Okay, we're good now you know you can, you can plug
all this well be sure tosubscribe on the thing.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
The socials at quinn recast follow us like.
Share with your friends, askthem if they would let their
significant other sleep withrobert redford for a million or
more dollars.
And uh, that's, that's prettymuch it.
Yeah, yeah, but tune in nexttime.
Going to be on, so you knowit's going to be a fun,
interesting time it will be.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I don't want to give it away, but it's more Bayhem,
alright well, that's it alright,nick, now that we've talked
about this movie that I neverthought we'd talk about.
But it's fun say goodnight Nickgoodnight Nick.