Quantum Reaction: Girl at the Linkin Park Show (The Music Episode)

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast.
Whatever this is now.
Quantum Reaction yeah, whateverthis is now, because today
we're going to talk about music,music.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Because I can talk about whatever the hell I want
to right now.
It's media, it's fun, itentertains, it does things we
will still have movie elementsin here.
Yes, of course, obviously,there's soundtracks, there's
things there's music and movies,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hans zimmer is coming to dallas.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
He is, yes, and tickets are outrageous, I would
imagine.
So I was upset because it canbe like oh, it's high art, it's
what it is, it's a bunch ofpeople and it's like, well, what
are all these?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
they're gonna put on tuxedos and go watch them play
like the lion king, the banesong, while they're showing
clips of Dark Knight Rises.
So yeah, I'm like man, I wantto go, I'm going to keep my own
tickets, but it's like 400 bucksfor, like, the worst seats.
Oh, for the worst, for theworst seats.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So Swift fans know what that's like OK they're not
quite that level.
That's fair.
That's like a mortgage.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
If you want to see Taylor Swift that's your child's
savings.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
You're like well, do you want to go to college or do
you want to see Taylor Swift?
Don't answer that.
I want to see Taylor Swift.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Wrong, I've made a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So um, alright.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So, nick, I gotta ask yeah, we're gonna talk about
music this episode because alot's happened in the music
world.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It has Just in general.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I feel why it's gen z's discovering 2000s, I guess.
Is that what it is?
Maybe or millennials just stilllike weird, or there's just not
been a whole field where where?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
there was punk rock music.
I think there's just a lot ofmillennials that never afforded
a house.
They've said, well, I'm nevergonna be able to afford a house
so I'm just gonna go to concertsand stuff.
I mean fair we're not gonnahave kids, we're not gonna own a
house.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I might as well just go see bands we like right,
let's just knock off some bucketlist things until the economy
crashes I think that's what itis, but, nick, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So, and I'm curious, because you grew up in the
household you grew up my shelter, uh bringing yes did your
parents get like the newsletterthat's like, hey, if your kid
likes limp biscuit, they'll lovecutlass.
I have no idea okay, like theydidn't get the Christian
newsletter that told you well,if they like Eminem, they'll
like Lecrae.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I never came across that.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I was not aware of it .

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I don't think my parents would even know where to
start with that that used to bea thing.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
They tried to give parents a guide like hey, if
your kid's into this, I feellike.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I would have seen that on the internet where
somebody's like if you not thesame, Sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'm sorry, but to this day Christian art is still
bad.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's all bad, they just have not Well you're
talking about a turn of thecentury, turn of the millennium,
point where the WWJDD movementyeah.
We had DC Talk Newsboys.
We had boy and girl bands inChristian music I still think it
was all bad and they had a WowCD instead of the now cd.
Like that's how, that's howdeeply entrenched we were with,
like that's how, that's how theywere trying to replicate the

(03:06):
secular sound I think reliant kis probably the best thing.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Christianity produced , like christian art produced.
That still claims it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I just never got them .

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was hard for me to listen to things like under
oath that are really good butthey've deconstructed and
they're don't literally like wedon't really got anymore, like
half of us do, half of us don't,and it's like that type of
thing.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So christian music is just what you hear at church
for me.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
What was music like in your house?
How did you discover music?
Did you have to hide it alittle under your mattress?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
kind of sort of yeah, a little bit.
Uh, dad was a southern rock guy, some skinner, some fog hat and
stuff.
Listen to that in his car.
My mom was james taylor allright listen, she loves bgs, but
I didn't find that out tilllater, um so there was secular
music going on, there was amicrocosm of secular music.
But everything else, likeeverything from our generation,
was just awful, awful of it okaythere was.
There was like a not actually,but like a a form that had to be

(03:53):
filled out, basically of like.
So I want to buy the creed cdand it's right here.
Mom see, he talks about goldengates in heaven.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's a christian, it's higher is about going to
heaven, right yeah, it's amazing, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Look, human clay, like that's from the bible, like
that that was.
That was the logic me and mysiblings had to like convince,
or at least I'm just be sure,but they had.
We had to trick them intothinking music was was not what
it was, which we're talkingabout the late 90s, early 2000s,
where everything was risque andedgy your m&ms, your limb
biscuits, christina and britneylike wearing whatever you know.
Like we talk, people now arelike oh, everything's so scanty

(04:24):
class.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Like then it was crazy man, I have you just like
unlock this memory of likemiddle school, like the britney
spears rolling stone issue yeswas like the most scandalous
thing people.
Parents lost their minds,playboy hat like was making the
rounds at school, but it wasjust a rolling stone magazine
that showed like slight buttcheek right in a bra yes, and
this was also the era of theburn cd napster, limewire era so

(04:47):
for me everybody was stealing.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I had to get my sister's friend to burn cds for
I make a list to be like I wantthese albums, these artists, and
she'd be like, all right, Ifill in the blanks and that's
really where I got.
You know, I was in the newmetal world but I also got like
rap from my best friend in highschool but she and my sister and
my oldest sister introduced meto a lot of punk and alternative
music or metal and stuff ofthat nature.
They were the ones that got meinto all of that.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
But Blink-182 was one of those as well.
All right, so you stole musicfrom Lars Ulrich.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I did, don't tell anyone.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
He's got your name on a list.
He's ready.
He flashed it around on TV onetime he's like he's admitting it
.
I got a list of everybody.
It's like, oh, calm down, um sowhat?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
was.
Let me ask you this like what'sthe?
I don't know if you have ananswer what's like your first cd
?
That?
I purchased or like got for abirthday or holiday that you
wanted that you wanted that.
Nick was like yes, the first cdthat I can remember getting it
was either creed, human clay andthis is guys, listen, I've
expanded my horizon since then.
This is 12.
This is like 10 to 12 year old,nick, but like maybe the three
doors down album, or it wasprobably lincoln park.

(05:50):
That was the one I definitelywanted, like the hybrid theory
when it came out and I was ableto get it, but there, I believe,
before that one came like me,convincing them let me listen to
creed, let me listen to threedoors down, like this is.
This is we're.
We're softly walking into this,okay I don't really have an
answer.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
My house was full of secular music yeah you were
constantly.
I had a musical upbringing,despite having no musicians in
my family.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
That is interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's weird.
I found my parents' records inmy closet, the record player,
which was a massive thing in myhouse was this 80s monstrosity
was in my room Because that wasan accident man they didn't plan
on having me so, um, they threwme in the room with the record
player and, like the ironing,and so I found the records I

(06:32):
remember finding like kiss andlike for a little kid you're
like, this looks cool yeah, surekiss yeah you know, and I
remember they played that a lot.
I grew up with an older sisterso ntv was always on, okay, and
so I like grew up around a lotof it.
My dad's a live music guy.
He only listens to live albums,so if you were in his truck,
you're just listening to ACDClive Ozzy, live he just thinks
studio albums are dumb.

(06:53):
So it's just if it's live he'sinto it.
So it's like a lot of live ACDCand Kiss and Aerosmith.
Mom, she was wild, she, my mom,was weirdly like an education
in music.
She would listen to everythingokay by an artist.
For like two months you geteverything just down here every
bruce springsteen song in theworld and then she'd move on,
and then you get elton john,then you get michael jackson,

(07:14):
then you get whatever.
Yeah, and so you're just likepicking up so much.
If you rode in a car with mymom, she, right now, she still
does it to this day right nowshe's in a weird deaf leopard
face so she just cycles throughthings, or yeah, dude she just
wants to listen to one thinglike relentlessly for months for
me.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
For me it feels like a lot of catch-up, because like
you go through high school andlike you're limited to what your
best friend or your sisters orsiblings can get you and it's
like a lot of new metal, a lotof rock, a lot of rap, gangster
rap and stuff you know.
But then post high school forme it was like I worked at
hastings.
They had a music collection, sofor me it was catch.
That was my grunge phase waspost high school, and then you
move on to like the 80s andbilly joel, and then I would
have to kind of deep dive a lotbe like, okay, I'm really

(07:50):
interested in this artist, I'mgonna listen to everything so
you bring up an interestingpoint okay to segue in, but I
gotta ask you before we segueit's like a mild segue what was
your first concert, because Iimagine you didn't go to a lot
as a kid no, uh, other than likelocal bands.
Um, and you, you'll roll youreyes at this.
I went with my sister and herboyfriend at the time to go see
tool yeah, I'm gonna roll myeyes a little bit, a little bit,

(08:11):
but that's interesting that yousaw tool I know of all the
things like hey, what was yourfirst major band from your?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
limited upbringing you do at a tool concert because
the what's the drummer's name,dana carrie.
He's never playing in four fourtime.
I don't know how you groove totool, you just kind of getting
out of the groove.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're like, oh he's changed the time signature again
, we're switching it up.
Okay, all right, okay so thatwas during their 10 000 days
tour, when they dropped thatalbums and that was one that
that's the one I connected withthem on and then they played all
their other hits, obviously,but I have nothing.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's cool.
I just don't like prog rock Idon't like listening to music
that's like.
Well, I'll never know how toplay any of that.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Or it's seven minutes long Rush is the most I've ever
dipped my toes into it, okay,and even then you're like wow,
everyone's just really good attheir instrument in this band.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Impressive Cool the bass player's singing, playing
keys with his feet and bass allat the same time.
It's what Nickelback could havebeen's lincoln park.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, all right, we're gonna get to lincoln park,
yeah yeah, so I did see lincolnpark once.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
They were fun um.
They made a live album out ofthat show they did you were.
I watched that live in texasyeah, um, that was a fun show.
Uh, they opened up for lintbiscuit metallic summer
sanitarium tour.
Summer sanitarium tour um, thatwas fun.
Uh, I would have liked to haveseen either the Ramones, they're
all dead now.
But I would have liked to haveseen the original four Ramones,

(09:29):
and then I would have also likedto have seen Metallica with
Jason Newstead.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You love some Jason Newstead.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I miss Jason Newstead .
My first Metallica concert wasthe St Anger tour, where he had
just quit.
And they got the new guy.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I was like man it's not the same.
I, god, I was like man.
It's not the same.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I don't know how to feel about this low-key.
I love the Saint Anger album.
I actually that's an unpopulartake, but I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think it's great when we went to Metallica last
year I turned our friend Chance.
I turned to him and said maybethey'll play something from
Saint Anger and he just kind oflaughed and then they played
Dirty Window and I was like yes,I, I like, I actually like the
Saint Anger album a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I don't really people really still mad about that
snare they really are.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So it's the rawness of the album, like the
aggression to it so, nick, Iwent to two concerts this week.
You did and I still, I stillgot it because I, I listen.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I kind of didn't want to go to the second one because
I'm old, like I went fridaynight to see the all-american
rejects okay, nice and then thenext day I'm kind of like oh man
, I don't know if I can do thatagain.
I stood up for like two hours.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know, you are kind of like old.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And it's also.
It's more like it's lessphysical, more like I just want
to stay home.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know I have a TV.
I could watch an old concert oftheirs.
My PJs yeah, you went to seeBush.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, gen X enough to know who Candlebox is.
Yeah, it's very distant back ofthe brain.
They're like what's that oneband, blind Melon?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, they're like one of those bands from that era
, like if you grab the album,you'd be like this is pretty
good Post-grunge and that's it.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And then they didn't survive the rest of the 90s as
far as I know, but you're gladyou went to the Bush concert.
Yeah, I ended up having twovery different things.
My wife doesn't know.
She's not from this country soshe didn't really know either of
them.
So she recognized songs fromboth.
Sure she was like, oh, I haveheard this song and but she was
more like they're studying, justlike, okay, I've never been to
one of these concerts.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
She's just taking it in.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean, she's like in the action.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, a little bit.
Was that like the pit, or wasit standing room?
No, they had seats.
It wasn't GA, they didn't do.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
GA, so she was happy that there's like a chair and
everybody just has to standstill, okay.
You know there wasn't going tobe any walls of death, and it's
never looked fun.
Okay, I've had a kid hand mehis Ford front teeth after.
I got off stage saying like youguys would feel great and I'm
like dude, you need to go to.

(11:48):
I'm like it's one of thosemoments where you're like am I
supposed to be hardcore rightnow?
And high five this kid, BecauseI immediately went into dad
uncool mode.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I was like dude you need to go to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You need to go, and then you can maybe get them back
in Like it was yeah, I see someveneers in your future.
Yeah, I was like dude, you needto go.
And so here's the thing, nick,okay, okay.
So All American Rejects.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
That was a millennial concert, yeah for sure, and it
was a bunch of millennials Likeour friend Cruz was there.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, okay, and we're having a good time and they put
on a really good show.
Nice, like Tyson Ritter got inmy face.
He like literally came out intothe crowd and stood like
practically on me.
I got some cool pictures andthey put on a good show.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Was it during an instant night or move along?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Honestly, it might have been move along Okay, nice,
and so it was one of theirbigger songs.
But you loved the Bush'sglycerine just gavin rosendale,
which is with this jaguar guitar, and it's just him nice, and
it's great.
He also did swallow by himself,which was kind of cool, yeah,
you know, and so like I kind ofliked their super underrated in
my opinion, like but even likeall american rejects I don't

(12:52):
know, maybe I'm just getting oldthey did a couple of songs
where it's mainly just a singerand a ukulele and I'm like I
kind of dig this.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I kind of like dig the moment to be like we're
gonna take a break.
We're gonna go back here getsome water, couple rooskies.
You go out there and entertainthe baby rooskies, I think it's
just like me.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Some Gatorade.
Yeah, I need some electrolytes.
It's been just been an hour anda half and then, but like my
thing is so, bush was adifferent thing, that's a Gen X
concert.
Yes, I noticed a lot of thingsabout Gen X.
Okay, I think they kind of suckand I'm like kind of thinking
like this is my sister's peoplegroup my sister's gen x.

(13:25):
She's seven years older than mebecause you and I we're on the,
we're like ex-xenials we'relike on the cusp on some charts,
we're the end of gen x and onothers.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
We're the beginning of millennia and I would argue
that you're more the theex-xenial or how do you say it,
and I'm 85.
Yeah, and I'm 88, so I'm verymuch millennial.
But like.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Essentially it's like my, my life is like I'm
considered the line.
Like our childhood was likeevery generation before us.
We went outside and played.
You didn't you?
Just whatever was on TV was onTV and you didn't.
There's only one in the house,maybe.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
And like your dad controlled the remote.
Or when you get home it's likeyeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
And so it's kind of like we had that life.
But then high school, college,we're like oh, there's
technology now Right, and noweveryone has a TV.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
We had to learn the internet first.
Yes, that's what we did.
We've been a constant, we'vebeen in a constant stage of
adaptation which is what you'reyou're bringing up.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
a second ago that like for us it was catch up yeah
, and I was.
We honestly became historianswe're like yeah all right, so we
have again.
We had napster and we're likewell shit, what songs did
journey have?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
you're like please don't be a porno.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Please don't be a porno, you're just kind of like
yeah, like I'm just gonna likestart like absorbing it.
All right, we're the firstgeneration that said let give me
the entire absorb catalogeverything you know, I could
literally have conversationswith my parents in high school
about aerosmith and like kind ofmaybe know more than them even
though they went to concerts inthe 70s they have the first-hand
experience.
But you have, like the lore,yeah, and it's like oh, yeah,

(14:49):
yeah, yeah, though that, oh,yeah, that album yeah, joe Perry
actually didn't play on thatalbum and they're like what are
you talking about?
I read it on a GeoCitiesAerosmith fan page we copieded
it um, but like so I thinkthat's interesting, whereas gen
x one thing I noticed at thebush concert was like you're all
wearing khakis and nice shirts,oh it's.

(15:10):
And I've noticed this aboutother like gen x shows I've been
to and just for whatever reasonI'm like maybe because my
wife's there, kind of takingnotes I'm also just kind of
observing little people watching.
Now this is all people in theirmid to late 40s.
Yeah, yeah who bush was a thingwhen they were in high school
and this is their thing, andit's like either they're dressed
like they just came from work,like they're like it's the
boomer part of them, yeah or ifthe ones that wanted to be

(15:31):
younger, they just bought ashirt from the merch and put it
on fresh over their polo.
No and it's like I stood outlike a sore thumb, like listen,
I'm not at work I'm at a concertI'm dressed like the bohemian
pirate.
I am in my day to day life likeI'm not gonna dress up.
For what are y'all doing?
Why are y'all wearing niceclothes?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
this is not how this works.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
This is a concert yeah, and it like it just got me
thinking gen x is kind of weird.
I feel bad for them because Ilike we kind of talked about
this when we went.
We went and saw the crow remakeyeah, yeah you know, because we
wanted to see if it was as badas people are saying they are.
But I mentioned that I thinkit's just gen x has so little to
call their own.
Yeah, and in a lot of ways, asmillennials, we're used to our
things getting hijacked andremade and rebooted and we're

(16:13):
just kind of like all right,this happened again.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
You say that, but they were the generation of the
80s, they had all the star wars,and gen x rejected the 80s,
though I think my sister doesn'tever talk about the 80s.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
It's Gen X said we're the early 90s, that's what
we're claiming, okay, andbecause Kurt Cobain blew his
brains out, they justimmediately lost the rest.
They were like what happened?
They didn't want the 80s, okay,and then by 95, we just took
over, we're just like all right.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
We've got it.
There's NSYNC and Boy and KidRock.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Limp Bizkit, whatever , Nelly.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Eminem, 50 Cent, Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg they
transitioned us into it.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I feel bad because I feel like they rejected the 80s
and because we were the earlyhistorians of the internet we
took it for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
We're like oh, you want Breakfast Club, I'll take
it.
Ghostbusters, star WarsBreakfast Club.
Ferris Bueller, sign me up.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Millennials took yeah , we millennials took it yeah,
like and we we claim the 80s andthe 90s.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, that's fair we just don't really claim the
grunge thing Right.
We're just kind of like, ohyeah, that happened, but that
was more like our older siblings, right, yeah, they get that.
So I think Bush is in that.
So I was like well, I like Bush.
But like these are the peoplethat were defined by nirvana and

(17:30):
then, movies like reality bitesand singles and like empire
records yeah, and like they'rethe, they're the og hipsters man
, they are gen x createdhipsterdom.
Yeah, and it's like you peopleare the kurt combain generation
and you're wearing tommyhillvigor polos.
Do you think it's in sandals,do?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
you think it's a gen x thing?
Or is it drinking their millerlights?
Do you think it's them justaging Like is that?
Is that just what happens isone day you just decide to hang
up the pirate outfit and you puton polos.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, and that's.
I think that's where it'sinteresting for me to be like an
exennial.
It's like it's that line thingwhere it's like Gen X they're,
they're, they're right after theboomer thing and I think they
adopted a lot thing.
Whereas we're millennials,we're like into our 30s still
going.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
What do I?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
want to be, when I grow up, like they got jobs yeah
, they bought into the thing.
We have jobs, but we're likewe're like the people go like
why do I have to come to thisoffice?
Can?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I just I could work from home.
I can do this just as well inmy pajamas or my jeans sir, I
was on the internet.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
First, let me tell you what it can do.
You can't even make a pdf, solike we could do this from.
We're that generation, whereasgen x, they just got in line and
said, all right, I'm supposedto go to college, I'm supposed
to get a family they were theones that when they said, like
go to college, do things, theyactually followed through that
and it worked.
What else were they supposed todo it?
Worked you know I'm not bashingby the time we walked through.

(18:45):
We're.
We're waiting for the torch,the baton and, like the boomers,
are still just running the lapwith it.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's not, and we're like they didn't hand it.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
We're not getting it, cory yeah, so that's why we're
still dressing the way we do andnot like.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
But tomorrow you and I are going to a concert
tomorrow.
Yes, we will not be wearingpolos and khakis, absolutely
it'll be 90 degrees outside.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's true.
That's just ridiculous.
That's just the dumb idea.
Even if it was inside, I wouldnot be wearing khakis and a polo
, yeah, but I mean, I'm notgoing to go to Creed looking
like an idiot, of course not,it's Creed.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
We're going to get our meta 12-year-old selves on
and just rock out for two hours.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah and so like.
But yeah, that's the thing, butit does bring up one of the
most debated things.
I don't want your information,Because again, gen X was like
either they're dressed like theywere going to a yacht club or
they bought a shirt at the merchand said babe, let's just live.
Tonight, man, I'm wearing thist-shirt.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Why don't I take off my polo?
It's really form-fitting and ithides my gut a little bit.
But, I'm not going to hold thepolo and it's got to yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Nick, can you wear a shirt for the band you're seeing
?
Absolutely not See.
And that's the thing that Gen Xdidn't get.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
How did they?

Speaker 1 (19:49):
not get it.
It's just bush shirtseverywhere.
I was like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Maybe buy a bush shirt if it's not $80.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Don't wear it that night, man.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Wear your Nir down garden shirt, man, you wear an
adjacent.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, that's just I, even me, the the sheltered
individual, like no, it's likeno, you don't wear the creed
shirt to the creed, the toolshirt to the tool concert I did
take my wife to see bling quaytoo, a few months ago and we
were front row and so I shouldsay she has been in it before,
sorry, um, I made her go getearly and we got in the front,
um, and so she asked me thatnight, though, like like before
we left, she was like, do youhave a Blink-182 shirt?
I was like Jube Even if I hadone, which I actually don't own
any Blink-182 shirts for somereason but I was like I wouldn't

(20:30):
let you wear it and I was likeI gave her like a Ramones
t-shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I was like you wear this.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's such a foreign like this, no, like, and it's
fun because my wife's like she'sbringing logic into it.
She's like but we're going tosee them, sure, why wouldn't she
support them?
I was like jibba, you lookstupid.
I'm gonna make fun of everyonewearing a blink 182 shirt.
That's how you know they'redumb.
That's how you know they'reonly going to know.
I miss you and like all thesmall things.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Name me three Blink-182 songs those are the
people that you say.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Name three songs to.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can name you more than those three songs.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
But it's fun because she is like well, that's just
stupid.
That's rock and roll and I said, the only genre I know in which
fans are okay with that ismetal.
I think you're allowed to wearMetallica shirts to Metallica
concerts.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I mean, people were generally wearing Metallica
shirts and I think it's okayyeah.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Because back then Metallica wore their own shirts
on stage, Okay, which I think iskind of like a hey, go buy.
This Kind of sets the tone.
Yeah, it's more of a like.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Look how cool this shirt is.
And Kiss doesn't wear t-shirts.
Kiss condoms, it rolls off thetongue.
It is interesting.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I think that's one of those things where I was kind
of like Alright, gen X isinteresting At concerts and
they're an interesting group ofindividuals.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Can you imagine boomers in a concert?
I mean, I've been to a lot ofthose.
I've been to Aerosmith and Kiss.
They're the same way.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
They dress nice, they dress for like they're going
out on a date, but like it'sexpected to them core.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm really worried.
We're gonna be wearing polos atconcerts.
I don't think my dad promisedme you'll never wear a polo to
me.
My dad doesn't wear polos.
I need you to.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Oh no, I don't even I own only like two polos and I
wear them to work.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I I don't like polos no, I can't, I don't, I can't
commit to them my arms look likethey're like five feet long on
them.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I don't look, boomers, they do that, but
that's expected.
Whereas Gen X it was like amixture of like.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Again, they grew up they got the jobs, they bought
the khakis, you know, and thenthe other half they sold out
Corey.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, and the other half buys the merch, so they're
like I didn't sell out.
I'm still young, damn it, gavinRosdale I bought the shirt.
But yeah, no, it was a goodtime.
I, but yeah, no, it was a goodtime.
I'll say this, though I think Imight be hypocritical, because
I'm absolutely judging Gen X,but I saw a post the other day

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from, I think, about a Gen Xperson about Gen Z.
Okay, festivals, becausefestivals are now a thing.
Right, they're big again.
They used to be touring things.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, you know like.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
OzFest and Warped Tour used to tour.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, ozzfest and Warped Tour used to tour.
And now there's just theseweekend festivals, that bands
just go to because it's a lot ofmoney and they just have to go
to a thing and Bonnaroo, yeah,and someone posted a picture of
some millennials like sittingdown kind of in the back on the
grass on their phones andthey're like Gen Z doesn't know
how to do a festival.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I immediately went to the defense of Gen Z,
like I went to Warped Tour andsmart, they're not sitting in a
crowd of sweaty, nasty people.
They're gonna pay attention whenthe band they want to see yeah
is on stage preservingthemselves and their energy yeah
, because I went to warp tourand you would sit in a seat of
nasty bodily fluids yeah throughtin bands you didn't care about
just because the one band wasgonna be on in a few hours, but

(23:37):
you wanted to be in there, youknow, and work your way up front
you know, I mean that makessense.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
it's like, unless I'm just like I really want to see
that band, yeah, I'll just hangout and listen.
I think Gen Z's just smarterthan I was.
They are in ways.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I got nothing out of getting up front other than
kicked in the back of the head aton by people crowd surfing
over you.
I was like I should have justsat in the back I didn't really
have phones back then that youcould play on, but I could have
a little fan and then justenjoyed the show from the back
and then like it sounds goodback here, for sure, you know.

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So I think they got it figuredout.
But I mean hypocritical.
I think gen x sucks and gen z'ssmart.
That's all it is.
And we're in the middle.
We're learning from both ends.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I do think about millennials, though this is the
thing is that because we arelike you said, we're stewards of
the internet and almosthistorians we have like boomers
and gen x like it almost there'sa cutoff point where they just
stop caring about music, likenew music and like like this
summer, all I listened to wasbrat summer, it was sabrina
carpenter, it was chapel rowan,it was charlie, it was billy
eilish.
Like I was listening to thosealbums, nick, you were

(24:36):
ostracizing our taylor swiftfans.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
You just listed all four of her biggest enemies.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Listen that she's kept under her thumb.
Ali keeps them.
Ali is the Allie.
Is the Swifty representative ofthe podcast.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I guarantee you she bought every version of that
album that kept those four youmentioned down.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
But when Sabrina showed up because their besties
had been on tour, she was likealright, I'm done, it's good,
we're good.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's funny to me, you know.
Speaking of that, I saw anarticle a few months ago where
Taylor Swift, taylor swift, wasin europe yeah right, she's
doing her europe shows which Iguess she just ended um, and
paramore, yeah, was the openingband yeah, and I saw an article
that literally said who isparamore opening, like who is
this band opening?
It was like an article tryingto tell fans this is who

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paramore is and I was like oh mygod, I'm old what well it's.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Also, the weird thing is like gen z has like latched
on to certain bands likedeftones and corn they're really
into and you're like that's a20 year old band now.
But that's this.
It's the cycle thing we'vetalked.
Trends come back around in like20 year gap.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
But kind of what you mentioned there, like I feel
like Millennials we're, likemaybe the first generation were
in mass.
Yeah, don't give up on anymusic.
Yeah like, we're like stilldown to find it.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
There there's obvious trends that we don't like.
I hate pop country.
Mumble rap's not my thing, butwe're still engaging with it,
giving it a try and listening.
That's interesting becauseyou're right.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I would say that I cut country out of 90s.
I'm like nope, that was it.
That was the peak Right.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
No one's going to do.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Garth.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Brooks and George Strait.
It's more back to honestly likethe Johnny Cash outlaws.
It's leaning more that way,like acoustics, bulky sound.
These guys are too pretty to bethem.
It's true, johnny Nelson andJohnny Cash were ugly, right?
No, no, yeah, you got, theywere ugly men.
You can't have ugly people bestars, is that Brian?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Wallen, whatever his face is.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Morgan Wallen yeah, that guy.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
And their pants are too tight.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Type hands that's no, he had to fight.
Yeah, yeah, you'd have beenready to throw down so um, but
like yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I would say for country like I did.
I did like I'm not gonna findnew country, mainly because I
don't love the genre and I feellike the 90s were just it.
Um, but that you're right, I diddo it on some level sure, and
then we did more like I don'treally like this genre or this,
this, the way this is going,like or like yeah, it's kind of
like we hit like all right, thisgenre I don't love enough to
care to keep going, but yeah,but we're aware of it, I'm still
into like you know, like emoemo's gone midwest and kind of

(26:48):
all that stuff and I'll stillcheck out those bands and I
australia is making out likeputting out incredible punk rock
yeah, I don't know whyaustralia is just keeping it
held down right now good, butgosh like the chats and like a
mill and the sniffers.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Those are great bands okay, all right they could use
better band names, but they'renot.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
No, that's great, that's a great punk rock thing
but like you know, so I'm like,yeah, like that's an interesting
point, that like I do think westill try to like find new stuff
.
My last question about concerts.
I do think we should normalizeconcerts being like taking a
photo okay.
Short people up front, tallpeople in the back okay.
If you're that six foot two guyin the third row, no one likes

(27:26):
you.
Don't point me, we hate you.
Like you're, I mean like nick,you're like a normal tall.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm talking about like I've literally seen dudes
that are just like six footeight and they're in the third
row and it's like get to theback man I went with jesse to
see a scary kids scaring kidsdown in dallas and like a small
concert venue, trees, and like Iwas, there was the mosh pit,
obviously because they wereplaying through like one of
their popular albums all the waythrough and like I, just jesse
just wanted to go and neededsomebody to go with him.

(27:52):
I was like I'm down, but likethey were all singing and then,
like halfway through the concert, I turn around, there's two
short girls behind me and I'mlike oh no, I'm so sorry.
Did you, can you see?
And they're like no, no, we'regood, we're good.
I'm like are you sure?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
like yeah, there's, it's just, it's a rule of
etiquette, really, of like justmaking sure people are the tall
person, at least turn around andbe like hey, man do you see,
like I can, because I wastotally.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It's like you're, I will look over you.
It'll be.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's a difference of three feet for me, like in terms
of distance from the stage,like it's not going to be a big
deal the other thing I'll say,though, about gen x and boomers,
that I've noticed at this Bushconcert and I've noticed at a
lot of concerts, but I think Ifinally just I've seen enough of
a sample size to say that thisis kind of true Concerts make
those two generations horny.
I have never gone to like a GenX or boomer concert where I

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haven't seen an older couplejust sucking face you are a
hundred percent right, Justmauling each other.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Me and Josh Wilkins went to go to Pearl Jam last
year too and it was just like alove fest, Like people are just
arms draped over each other,holding like leaned.
You know it was more, it wasmore contained.
Okay, but for every one ofthose you'd have like somebody I
just just I would say they wereolder Gen X in front of us at
Bush, like kind of catty corner.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Luckily it wasn't right in front of us, that's
good.
They're like.
I don't know if they justhaven't had a night out or they
just been drinking a lot, but Idon't think they watched the
concert.
They were just like dry humpingand I remember thinking like
I've seen one of these at everylike.
Classic rock concert.
It's the last place.
They feel free, corey, I guessso, but it's just like I like.
My thing is like this wasexpensive.
Like Jube, I love you, butwe'll make out at home for free,

(29:21):
well this is all foreplay here.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Okay, yeah, like, but we paid good money and I'm
gonna watch this, you know.
So it's like when you go to themovies, come on again, I'm
millennial.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
We didn't get real jobs so we're like, okay, like
we paid good money to be here.
But, gen x guys, they're like,well, I make a lot of money and
we own our home and our carlessI'm a little dead inside, so
this is the only moment I reallyfeel alive.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I just want to make out in public um, all right,
nick, we gotta.
We gotta talk about the bigthing okay, I'm ready, my body's
ready, because I have okay, solincoln park right this is your.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is your all-time favorite band this is it.
This is it, this is like youwould say this is your favorite
band.
It is, yeah, all right so whatwas it like?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
and that was not an easy thing to come around to
either, because back in my dayyou were made fun of for it at
least I was like it and itwasn't like a direct in your
face thing.
But you become aware whenpeople are kind of snickering
behind you or like or like.
You know when memes became athing, that's when I became more
aware that people like kind oflook down on it.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm trying to think, cause Lincoln parks an
interesting new metal thingbecause, like there's Limp
Bizkit and corn, yeah Right, Imean, I actually really admire
Limp Bizkit, yeah, especiallywhere they are now.
Sure, they're literally on atour saying we get the joke.
Yeah, we understand that wewere a product of a very
microcosmic scene.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
And we are now this thing.
They're addressing the novelty.
And they're on tour with CoreyFeldman, and the joke is that
Corey Feldman's the only guy onthis tour that isn't aware that
he's being laughed at.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, or he's a genius, or just that we're here
for a good time.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Or Corey Feldman's a genius and he's playing this
just role perfectly Right.
I still don't know to this dayif he is aware that he's a joke.
Yeah, and just leaned into it,or if he's really unaware.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, no-transcript of came in and wiped that out.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Killers and, like you know, all of them I feel like
like in part to me, transcendedit though they're the only band
that adapted yeah, and that'sthe thing, and that's, and
that's what I'm figuring out whypeople make fun of you.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It was because new metal was a joke yeah and like
and they were the kind of.
They were like, kind of the emopeople viewed them as the emo
thing.
You know, numb was such a bighit and it's just in it and it's
one of my least favorite oftheir singles, I think, because
it was overplayed so much whenpeople think linkin park, they
kind of point to like it's me,and all the small things with
linkway too I could care less ifif this song ever gets played
live, but it isgoing to be but the thing was

(31:43):
like and to be, and we've seenthe internet just blow up in the
last week with all thesedifferent opinions and stuff.
But the thing that continues tohappen with Linkin Park is,
after their first two albums,hybrid Theory and Meteora, they
changed their sound and evolvedeach time.
Like when Minutes to Midnightcame out, even I sat there and
went this.
I don't know how to feel aboutthis.
This is kind of like you too,it's kind of like Muse.
I like those bands in certainways, but like I don't love this

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for Lincoln park.
And after a couple they hadlike the concept album, after
that, a thousand sons.
And even then I was like, okay,it's a little more EDM, a
little more like you know, djinggoing on and stuff.
There's more rap involved thistime.
And and you slowly start tolearn that, like the band,
hybrid theory is not just atitle, it's, it's the band's
whole concept of like we'reconstantly not just rap and rock
, we're throwing in all thisother stuff.

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Like their music bounces aroundto punk, it bounces around to
Prague, it bounces around toeverything you know.
And and even when the lastalbum came out, the pop it was
very pop and that.
But each time, what you findwith Linkin Park fans is they
hate it every time.
Honestly, that's the samepeople they're like I want
crawling, I want, in the end, Iwant the loud new metal music.
This isn't what I wanted, andeven when you even like, when
they would kind of give themwhat they want, it's like well,

(32:48):
it's still not, still not right,and that's kind of the thing
too.
That's happened with this newiteration of them is the new
single sounds like Linkin Park.
It's literally like a heaviersound.
Yeah, there's suddenly theinternet decided we're going to
create all this controversyabout it.
At the same time, you're likeit's just the same old hat, it's
you.
You can differentiate betweenpeople that actually like

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Lincoln park and people thatjust want the new metal sound.
Yeah, and it's very frustratingwhen people are like I'm not
listening to this cause it's notChester, because those are the
same people saying no-transcriptin touch with them.

(33:51):
You're seeing this like theystill are in touch with each
other, they're still beingfriends and they want to
continue creating stuff.
So, like this just felt naturalwhen they came out, if you
don't know, like they dropped ahint on the internet and then it
led to a live streaming concertwhere they said here's our new
drummer, because the old drummer, uh, he decided he just didn't
want to be part of the bandanymore, just because of
everything.
Yeah, but here's emily, our newlead singer.
And it kind of and when youlisten to the interviews and
stuff it just came aboutnaturally, like they just got

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together going.
We're just going to figure outwhat this is.
We don't even want to calllincoln park right now, we're
just we just want to gettogether and make music again.
Yeah, and they'd having guestsingers and stuff.
And as they were going throughthat process, it just kind of
naturally became okay, I thinkshe's.
I think she's it, I think she'sour singer yeah so it wasn't
like and they've talked aboutlike people have suggested them
like maybe you should do like anamerican idol competition for
like the new singer and stuffand they were like this is so

(34:34):
cringy and knowing the if youknow somewhat of the band just
you know through interviews andstuff you're like that's just
not who they are they did thatlike twice years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
They had a, it was a it was a in excess and they
found a singer and I think heactually stuck with them for a
while, but it's like in excess,it's like dude, they were really
huge overseas more so than here, and then they did a super
group with like tommy lee andsome other dudes and they like
auditioned a singer and thatlasted one day yeah um, but like
but here's what.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Here's what I'll say.
The quick answer is I love it.
I want more of it.
I'm excited for the album.
Yeah, and because what you, whatI, what I love about it is that
even in this process, likethere, there was a couple things
where shinoda would like do acover of one of their old songs,
the female singer, or you'd seefemale singers doing it,
because when chester died theyhad the you know his tribute
concert and they brought ingavin ross still from.

(35:22):
They brought in M Shadows fromAvenged Sevenfold, the lead
singer from Sum 41.
I didn't know any of this Tocover.
They did a whole tributeconcert in LA.
And it really helps youunderstand just how unique and
talented Chester Bennington was.
Yeah, because Gavin Ross Dillcan do the singing parts but he
can't do the screen parts.
M Shadows can kind of do thescreen parts but he can't do the
singing parts.
And you suddenly realize howunique of an individual and

(35:44):
voice chester really had,because he had this angelic
voice with this justearth-shattering scream which is
rare, and that's hard yeah it'svery hard.
But but once you, once I washearing girls covering, I was
like that's the direction theyneed to go.
And if you're thinking of Idon't think they thought of it
from this way, but it's also agreat from a business, you know,
because if they had just gottenthe guy from some 41, like it
was rumored, or somebody from anolder band, like from their

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time, it would have felt like anostalgia act.
If they just said we're gonnado a tour, it's like that's cool
.
I'm glad you guys are gettingto play together again.
But I'm not.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be asexcited as I am, because it's
like this is a new chapter, anew continuation.
There's new music.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's not just we're playing the hits so I think
that's what it is um, becauselike I don't mean to keep
interrupting, yeah, you're likeI gotta unpack some of this man.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I know you're geeking out over there, but like when
queen got, uh, what's his name?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
adam lambert, adam lambert, it's like he's great
yeah, but I don't know if theymade new music.
I don't think they did.
Like, yeah, and so I mean like,and that's a good point.
So like again.
So like what?
Like two weeks ago they starteda countdown, right yeah and you
were pumped.
Sure, sure, like I.
You know what they did.
You like think that they weregonna do this.
Didn't know what they weregonna do at all, you know
there's like a new single andwhatever.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I assumed.
It was like they might announcea new tour with, like a back, a
new replacement singer orsomething like tribute concert
kind of thing or something.
But like the fact that theykept all like the new singer
secret, the new single, the newalbum, like they had.
But they're also like like I'vetold you before because you
were kind of asking about thestreaming stuff like they're
constantly putting stuff out,yeah, like they're tech techie
kind of guys and so like they'vehad the same kind of

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relationship with the internet,that and technology that we've
had.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah well, I mean, like I just saw bush and I just
because I saw bush, they talkedabout a grace hits album that
came out, but the radio likeit's all remixes, yeah, in
different versions of thesesongs.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So like I get that bands like that that are kind of
metal and whatever, they kindof do that and that's also a
good point to point out aboutlincoln park is because people
forget about the remix albumthey have between their first
two albums and that was like edmand rap heavy yeah so like the
when, really in retrospect, youkind of see the trail of things,
it's like these dudes are allabout remixing and experimenting
and just saying, yeah, we wantto hear what in the end sounds

(37:36):
like.
Is this, or like you know whatI've done sounding a little, a
little heavier, like you know,kind of industrial kind of
sounding thing, like they werealways willing to like mess
around with stuff?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
was that hip-hop influence?
Yes, you know and like it'sweird because I feel like rock
and rap or metal and rap itcomes around sickly, like in
this, like cycle um, and we loveit and then we trash it like
pretty quick, like it's likeit's cool for a minute.
You know like obviously run.
Dmc reinvents aerosmith.
Yes, you know, like know likeAerosmith's dead yeah.
You know, until Run DMC says wewant to do Walk this.
Way, and then all of a sudden,aerosmith relaunches back into

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the biggest rock band in theworld.
You know, beastie Boys is a hiphop group that puts a lot of
rock elements in Right Samething.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You know, then you get your new metal which is your
Limp Bizkits and stuff likethat.
Like was the most polished ofthose ideas.
I can't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
It seems like they're the ones that kind of embraced
it Like you know.
It's like.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Mike.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Shinoda joined a metal band.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, because it's like this is what I bring Cause.
What really happened wasChester joined Lincoln park and
I think that's also.
I listened to a lot of deadSarah Emily Armstrong's former
band and they her and him kindof have a similar and it's a
more traditional rock sound.
But I feel like lincoln parkjust was the perfect like sound
and like they were able to likeget the peak of their musical

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vocal abilities out of.
I.
The thought in my head, thephrase in my head that kept
coming up when I would listen tochester recently was it's the
ghost in the machine.
Like I know that's an animething, but like, think about
lincoln park's music is veryindustrial and rap influenced
and the way they would usechester a lot of times whether
it was a background thing orsomething was kind of gave
already this kind of hauntingkind of vibe to it and so I

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think they just know how to likereally impact that screaming,
singing, better than anybody.
Rick rubin, when they did thethird album, he pointed out to
when they were recording.
So I was, like you guys operatelike a rap group, you, you, the
way you create songs is like arap group, it's not like a rock
band.
So that's why, like he had themtear down and start doing it
the other way.
It's just to reinventthemselves a bit you just said

(39:29):
something.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I know why you got made fun of for like lincoln
park in high school because I'mno, they were the nerdy band.
Yes, they were the rush andkiss of your high school you
know, stuck with them.
Yeah, it's just like it wasokay to be in it early, yeah,
but then you kind of like,because they had all this
association with anime stuff,yeah yeah, because I remember it
was the anime kids in my highschool that loved link.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, the dragon ball they were.
They were seen as the squeakyclean rap rock lindbiscuit was
the edgy ones that cursed andstuff.
I remember when link up ourfirst curse for the first time,
everybody's like, oh they grew,oh they're edgy now, isn't that
cute?
And you're like I mean, I guess.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
But yeah, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, um, but no, that'shonestly, that's a really good
point.
I just know, like when you saidanime is like they had all that
anime crap.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, they had like gundam stuff on album covers and
a lot of people would make,like your dragon ball z.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Music video edits well, they had an animated music
video.
They were like they touchedtotally animated music video for
breaking the habit and evenlost.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
They they did a lot of like anime stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's why they made fun of you, nick, you know,
because it's the nerdiest of therock bands, of the new metal
bands but like and here's mything, dude, so like I I know
you're excited and I'm gladyou're excited um, because your
new band is like, like you said,I think the main difference is
and a lot of people there's okay, we've just learned something,
you know, we talk about how theculture is cursed.
Yeah, and we learned it morethan ever this week with the

(40:40):
announcement of lincoln parksaid like, hey, we got a new
singer and all of our fans aregonna be happy.
And most of their fans said fuckyou right, like you know.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Let me look this up real quick on half-assed
research.
Yeah, oh she, she supporteddinny masterson.
She's a scientologist, let'scancel her.
And you're like did you do anydigging on this?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
did you listen to their new song?
That's literally about her.
Like leaving right, like didyou did.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
you did you ask her hey, and like she had to come
out on her social media and belike listen.
I went to the court casebecause I'm defending my friend
and then I found out that he'spretty guilty, so I separated
myself from him because I don'tmess with people like that and
had to.
She's like I do not supportpeople that are like sexually
abusive or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
And so I don't like cancel culture.
I think it's, I think it's adestructive thing we've invented
with the internet, where we andI think it's mostly based out
of we don't like people havingnice things because we don't
have nice things no and so Ithink most people go at her just
like people who are in bands orwhatever, and blah, blah, blah
or lincoln park's their preciousthing yeah and they're like how
dare you um, it's they.
I mean, they were just.
They just proved themselves tobe a worse fandom than star wars
in a lot of ways, which is animpressive is impressive like

(41:39):
lincoln park fans don't deservenice things.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
They just proved like when the album before chester
passed away came out, like yeah,it was pop and it was hard to
like, kind of like get into, andeven I was sitting there, like
you know it's it's not my sound,but like I know they love to
experiment, so for this it'skind of a 50 50.
They just did like this veryheavy metal, prog rock album,
and this is them going the otherway.
I was like, well, I'm excited,okay, I'm still here, we'll see
what the next album is like.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
But they hated on it so much well, just like again,
kind of unpacking, just the likefor anyone that's been under a
rock, I guess, like so linkapart comes out.
They announce this countdownhappens.
They announce a new lead singeryeah chester bennington, the
original singer, um committedsuicide yeah, what 2000 yeah?
2017 and, uh, they get a newsinger.

(42:21):
They've just been kind ofreleasing hidden remixixes, blah
, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
But they've said we're actually going to restart
the band.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
It's kind of a 2.0.
We're going to release newmusic and the fans turn up.
I found out.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
There's a term for this.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Okay, milkshake duck.
Have you ever heard the?
She got milkshake ducked.
No so it's like a meme, or likea New on a computer screen
drinking milkshake.
And they said, oh, look atMilkshake Duck.
And then the next thing it saidbreaking Milkshake Duck's a
racist.
And so that caught on.
Which some New York cartoonistor New Yorker cartoonist just

(42:52):
said this is what happens on theinternet we find something and
we immediately cancel it.
The second we get something new, we're like we like to destroy
something beautiful.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Where's the shit?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
something beautiful.
Where's the shit?
You know like, where's the,where's the gross part, right
and so now that new yorkercartoons kind of become the term
for it, like someone gettingmilkshake ducked, okay which is
just as soon as you getsomething nice, we're gonna go
fine well, what did you do?

Speaker 2 (43:11):
12 years let me go look at your history, james gunn
, from like a decade ago whenyou were like clearly like the
shock jock kind of dude on theinternet which is a lot of
pseudo-intellectualism.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's a lot of like, let me dig something up and like
look everyone, I foundsomething bad about this person.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Right, it's like chasing, it's chasing like a 15
minutes of fame on the internetwhich is ridiculous that you're
a drop in the ocean.
And and back to what you'resaying like yeah, she has a
history of scientology, was bornand raised in it.
We don't know for sure rightnow if she is a part of it or
not.
The lyrics are very pointedtowards that and even if mike
wrote those lyrics, he oftengets to know like when he would
write with Chester, he wouldlearn about Chester's history
and write songs going like okay,I know you experienced this, so

(43:44):
I'm kind of writing this withyou in mind.
And the other things peoplepointed out on the internet is
like she's gay and Scientologytreats that about as much the
same way that a lot of otherreligions treat that and she's
out about it.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
My thing is this man, tom Maverick, was like the
biggest movie of two years ago.
Tom Tom Cruise, the posterchild for Scientology.
Right, we're cool with them.
We go and see his movies.
We thought it was fun when hewent to the Olympics and took
everything and we're like ourboy Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
It's like it's the thing we've talked about of like
separating art from the artist.
Yes, tom Cruise is crazy.
There's a potential time we'relike he's good at what he does
yeah, I'm still good, goodmovies.
I don't hang out with themright, you know, and like the
and emily, it's like okay, shewas in like an old another band,
she joined this band, thesecond, she gets a big, even her
band's like we're happy for you, go do it.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
And the internet I don't think I would care if she
was still a scientologist.
I'd be like all right but theother thing as long as she's not
passing out literature atconcerts or whatever, she's just
doing it.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And there's two points too.
Is it's a there's a lot ofscientology in the music
industry?
Yeah, and then b yeah, inentertainment in general.
And b even if she had left, shecan't.
It's you you really think she'sgonna come out and be like,
yeah, I don't like science, I'mnot a part of you know, we've
watched documentaries yeah,they're mean they literally do
their best to like, antagonizeyou and make your life a living
hell if you try to combat themyeah, she's just trying to exit

(44:59):
quietly.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
But you know the whole danny masterson thing,
right like I.
I texted you and said like Idon't know that this girl's
getting a fair shake becauseit's kind of like nick.
If you were accused of a crime,yeah, I would probably go to
the trial to get the whole story.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yes, I would be shocked, yeah, but it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I'm like, I'm like I like you enough as a friend and
as a person to give you thebenefit of the doubt.
Well, thank you.
Like, it's kind of like.
Oh, I know this person and I'vedone life with this person and
this is does not seem like themright but there's gonna be a
party that's like, well, theyare in jail like there's gotta
be some evidence.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
There's a court case going and there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Nick's not telling me everything right so you might
just go to court to be like Igotta hear the other side of the
story man yeah and then,unfortunately, if you're found
guilty for doing that, it'dprobably be like well, our
friendship's kind of over likeit's depending, especially
depending on like did you murdersomeone, did you sexually
assault someone, rape a person?
Nick because that's, that'suncool that's shitty, that's.
There's a line there like solike, and that's the thing, and
I feel like there's a benefit tothe doubt, like I don't know

(45:51):
that there's any proof that shewent to intimidate, which is the
thing it's like.
Oh, a bunch of went tointimidate yeah and it's like I
don't get me wrong, I bet therewere scientologists.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
They're intimidating because that's what they do, but
that doesn't mean she did itRight.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
You know, there's also people like Tom Cruise and
John Travolta that don't goaround bashing people.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
She's guilty by association, Corey.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
So it's just like you don't see Tom Cruise going to
things and saying like oh you're, he doesn't go antagonize ex
Scientologists.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
You know.
I mean, he's so high't have togo antagonize people.
He has people for that callshis people, have people, that
have people and so like, but itis interesting and I think it
just does prove that we're inthis weird era of like.
It just seems like if you're alincoln park fan, the majority
should have been and maybe, forall we know, the majority is
like you.
We just get the nonsense on theinternet.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
What's just the loudness of the internet.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I call it the westboro baptist effect yeah,
like there's this tiny asschurch that gives all christians
the worst name in the worldyeah and because they're the
loudest, most obnoxious,horrible version, they get all
the press right and then ifyou're just like this normal
christian human being, you'rejust like constantly going like
well, no, that's a horriblething to say why would you do
that?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
yeah, I don't want you to go to hell.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
That's honestly horrible what they're doing, and
so it is that, like the loudest, squeakiest wheel, gets all the
you know?
So for sure, that was probablyjust them, and honestly,
probably a lot of them aren'teven lincoln park fans, they're
just probably just people on theinternet it's that thing where
you don't want to sit there andsay you're not a true lincoln
park fan.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But really, what I would just say is like okay
either either you just don't getit or, like you were, just a
fan of the new metal songs likeand that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
A lot of people don't , and I can say this I think
your favorite band and myfavorite band are the same thing
.
Blink-182, in a weird way,should be this novelty joke
thing.
Yeah, they wrote dick jokesongs.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
They have a whole song called Family Reunion.
That's just curse words.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Their Christmas song is not what can be played at
Christmas parties.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
They're kind of this product of that time.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
But in 2003, they released this self-titled album.
That was weirdly different andyou saw a massive exodus of
their fans.
And then there was a lot of usthat went this is different, but
I'm kind of into it and that'sbecause, well, I'm growing up
too and I also maybe don't wantto listen to songs just about
being 30.
Or about 30-year-olds, aboutbeing in high school.

(48:02):
Yeah, because I 30 and like orabout 30 year olds about being
in high school yeah, because I'mnot in high school anymore,
right, and so it's like I likebands that do evolve, and I
think that's what makes lincolnpark kind of cool, is that they
also.
It's this if you're listening,you probably have a normal job,
and isn't it fun when you getsomething new to do at your job,
right, like a new project orsomething instead of the same
one, over and over again ifyou're a creative, even if
you're making millions ofdollars, you get to a point
where you know, yes, we're gonnago on tour this summer.
We have to play numb, we have toplay faint, we have to play one

(48:24):
step closer we have to play,but also I want to make new
music yeah and I don't want torewrite faint yeah you know I
don't want to rewrite the samething I want to also.
Technology goes and you're likeI want to do new crap right, and
you know that you're fightingthis like honestly, legacy you
built that people worship at andyou're like, yeah, but there's
this.
You know, people, it sucks thatthere's a culture of like

(48:44):
bathroom songs yeah like oh, theband's gonna play one off their
new album.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I'm gonna go get a beer you know, and that sucks
right, like I was.
I was on a reddit thread andthey were talking about like
what's your least favoriteleakin park song, and I kind of
went through each album goingthere are, there are ones that
are my I.
I enjoy most of this, actually,like strangely enough so, and I
think that comes from themkeeping things fresh, cause it
could be like, ah, this is justthe the new crawling, this is

(49:09):
just the new, you know, one stepcloser.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So my gateway band into music at all was kiss.
Like I said, I found my kisses,my parents kiss records and
they put it on and you're likeoh yeah, I've heard this song
like every sporting event I'veever been sporting event, movies
and stuff had it and so like,um and but like they have
probably one of the worst fanbases ever like they're a lot
like what you're just describing, link apart and stuff and and

(49:33):
like I've I've like listened topodcasts on and it's weird I
outgrew, kiss yeah, but I'mstill fascinated by the culture
of kiss because they are thisband that's so massive like and
honestly massive outside oftheir own music yeah, they're
just like this weird brand.
They just knew, like, how tobrand themselves yeah, you know,
and uh and like, there's allthis infighting within the
fandom of like oh, the originalfour, that's kiss, but they've

(49:54):
had like two other members forway longer than the original
four were ever together and soit's like.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
It's like the guy for the new basis for metallica.
He's been there now longer thannewstead and cliff, yeah, you
know and I will always die on,newstead was the guy yeah, and
even bleak 182 is for a momenthad a different dude.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah and see, I wanted to bring that up.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, because I went throughthis a few years ago where tom
delong left the band a secondtime I want to do more angels
and airwaves yeah, and like hewanted to prove that aliens are
real and somehow proved ufos.
It's wild that the lead singerof a pop punk band was weirdly
instrumental in the unitedstates releasing classified

(50:29):
files, important things.
He had to go do it yeah and Imean, like you know, you can't
blame the guy for leaving hisband.
I guess if he got shit done,yeah, but like they got a
different dude yeah, and Iactually don't like the guy's
voice because I thought itsounded too similar to mark
hoppus's, and one of the beautyof blinkway 2 is he had two
dynamic voices.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well, it's like.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
It's like mike and chester mike is a bassist and or
bass and chester's a tenor yeahand that's why it works so well
and, like my thing is tomdelong's my favorite part of
blinkway 2.
I love him as a singer,songwriter yeah and I loved
angels and airwaves.
I liked any solo thing.
He did.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
You know, like he's just kind of my dude yeah and so
I was really like I don't know,I don't believe he's gonna be
like, but I was old enough thatI didn't immediately go.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Like they should change the name of the band.
It's a different band, which iskind of like, well, mark and
travis were already in adifferent band together plus 44,
it's like just just let themhave blink-182.
But like what sucks nick is,both albums they released under
skiba were both incredible.
They were both stupidly goodand I had to like text, my
friend, like christian, to belike dude.
They're this is actually catchy,yeah, you know like they're

(51:27):
kind of thriving without likecalifornia, california album
which was like a double albumthey ended up releasing like two
versions of it and then, uh,that one called nine that was
pretty it's just catchy pop rockI mean, hey, you know, but like
I mean I think the one thatjust released it's new with tom
the long back in the band's thebest time they've ever done okay
, but like and it's weird thatthey're like literally playing
baseball stadiums and stuff likeit's.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It blows my mind that blink-182 is as big as they are
right now.
And call me crazy if I say this, but there's a thought that I
have with like.
While, yes, they had a lot oflike teenage humor in their
lyrics and stuff, there's anelement to them when I think
back and listen to it that kindof reminds me of the Beatles
well, they're probably the timetoo long.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Very much approach songwriting, I think, the way,
like McCartney did it was liketheir nursery rhymes.
He calls it nursery rhymes.
He said you just take simplemelodies, yeah, and just build
off of them.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Well, it's, and it's also it's.
It's easy to remember lyricsit's it's easily sing along well
, like we did.
We did a little trip, like aweekend trip and we were
listening music and every time ablink song came on, everybody
knew the words.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Well it's like it's mccartney, cobain delong all
wrote very similarly.
Like it's like, dude, it's nota lot of chords and it's just
kind of like you take simplemelodies and you just build on
top of them, you know, and solike, that's why the beatles had
a lot of hit songs.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
That's why the few songs that their albums nirvana
had were full of like reallycatchy songs but it's also the
dynamic of the two, like and Ithink maybe that's just the
thing like Lennon and McCartney,they would sing together,
they'd harmonize, but thenthey'd go back and forth off of
each other, and Blink did that.
Linkin Park has done that laterwhen Mike started singing, and
so like I think there's an evenlike system of a down.
That's actually really goodyeah.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
That's like the two man dinette it's not like I mean
you Axl you know Joe Perry andSteven Tyler, but when you have
two frontmen, that's and I'm afan of the two frontmen Kiss
everyone in Kiss sang, which isawesome to me.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
That is kind of crazy .

Speaker 1 (53:11):
The drummer had the biggest songs, like, weirdly,
the biggest songs of the 70swere the drummers.
You know, it's like Ringo, it'slike you.
I love newstead and natalka.
He was technically a secondfront man.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
People don't realize that and I think that's also why
bands like blink-182 andlincoln park could continue
despite losing a lead singerbecause there was a consistency
like even with emily being alittle different in sound,
obviously because she's a woman.
There's a difference there, butshe still sounds in that realm
and atmosphere.
But Mike being there as thesteady for the whole thing like
keeps it intact.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
It's honestly like if the roles are reversed and
somehow we lost Mike Shinoda andChester.
Biddington has been around,we'd probably still be in the
same place where you still haveChester has, like this signature
part of and he's like let meplug in a different person out
of respect and the legacy of theband and Shinoda.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
You know, that's the thing everyone's saying, like
dumb shit, like oh well, theyshould just like AI, this new
album with Chester's voice.
They've already done it.
I was like, well, that's funny,that's actually more
disrespectful to him.
And you know the funny thingabout the?
Because I've listened to the AIcopy of it and it's like
there's not that big of adifference there's not.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
But also it's like dude you just did that without
his consent.
You don't know what his wishesactually would have been.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, I have heard people so Mike's solo album.
They've done AI where they putChester in as the singer in the
choruses and stuff.
But they are very upfront oflike listen, this is done all
out of love and respect, likeI'm not, this is not for money,
I just miss the sound and solike I can respect that.
But when people are constantlygoing, what if Chester's saying
blah-de-blah?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
no-transcript.
His family like absolutely sued.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
They're living shit out of someone yeah, because
like you can't just pick him up,this dude's face in a war movie
.
You don't know how you wouldhave felt about vietnam right
like we just lost james earljones.
But he apparently did signsomething like a deal.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
That's going to be a new thing where artists will
sign.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yes you have my permission to use my face voice
likeness which makes a lot ofsense in the james earl jones
world because it's like you can,there's a huge, you can tell
anytime, like that's not darthvader, like when somebody else
is doing the voice, so I can seewhere it works, especially if
the artist is like yes, you havemy consent here's, you're gonna
pay my family or whatever andtake care of it, or however so
you're saying arby's is likethank god, he signed that right
like we can.
I don't know if he signed thearby's contract, but like arby's

(55:28):
can just use his voice fordarth vader will still be around
for years to come.
Um, that's that's the.
That's the recreation of oldercharacters in the star wars
verse I'm okay with, like,apparently, the people that
peter cushing's estate just suesdisney, yeah, yeah, disney for
using his likeness.
I'm like it took you longenough, but here we are.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
This is going to be a long episode, which is fine.
It's whatever it's our onlymusic episode Just to quote Adam
Sandler in Wedding Singer well,we have a microphone and you
don't, so you listen to everydamn word we have to say, All
our friends are like all right,some music.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I've been listening for an hour.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
We still don't have any movies, yeah Well, you like
music too, people.
It's universal, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It's entertainment.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah and so but and we're going to hop into movies.
I'm just this Lincoln Parkthing really rocked Nick's world
that I just needed I went from,let me let me put it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
to put it in a nutshell, I went from being
elated, heard the new song andthen was brought quickly back
down to earth, with just theinternet being the internet.
And people being cynicalassholes and just being like we
can't have nice things and I get.

(56:33):
Had she, yes, been still aDanny Masterson's defender?
Had she been doing some unrulyshit with Scientology, then
you're like, okay, that's aproblem, but as far as we can
tell, as far as she's come outand said like I don't support
him, I don't support anybodythat does this kind of stuff,
and has not come out and we havenot seen her doing anything
with Scientology and all signspoint to she's not a part of it

(56:53):
anymore.
And if she is it's very loose.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, but my thing is this also it's just kind of
like like you.
You like we're almost gettingand we talked about this in a
last episode like harry potterand jk rowling stuff, we're
actually getting to a pointwhere either you're gonna learn
to separate the art from theartist, yeah like or you're not
gonna get to just be a part ofart yeah, like, at all like dude
, we can dig up skeletons inanybody's closet we can magnify
them and put them throughwhatever thing you want and get

(57:16):
on a pedestal that because, ohwell, since you know it's like I
said with Mark Wahlberg peopleare bringing back up his like he
had a like an Asian hate crimewhen he's 14 in Boston.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, but when?

Speaker 1 (57:24):
he's like in gangs and stuff and it's like well, he
seems like a pretty normaladult now, and I don't think
he's seen anything racist lately.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Cancel culture, like we said, just does not allow
room for people to grow andlearn.
Yeah, and it's like James Gunnclearly had grown and learned
since that point.
You know, hopefully, emilything, you know other people
that like the mel gibson, likepeople just want to shut them
down.
It's like, yeah, mel gibson didsome bad things, but like, as
long as he's contending to showimprovement, it's like you're
some not everyone's deserving ofa second chance, but that

(57:50):
doesn't mean we need to notallow anyone to have a second
chance no, that's the thing Imean.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
There's a massive difference between what harvey
weinstein did, which there's awhole bunch of people now coming
out saying like well, I thinkhe should be given a second's,
like dude he raped a lot ofpeople.
Yes, like it's and then there's, like kevin hart said, the fag
word on twitter 15 years agoright it's like all right.
Is he still going around sayingit like crazy?
Is he still saying homophobicthings or is he just like said

(58:15):
yeah, I should have said thatback then, right and I apologize
and that was dumb, you know,and it's just like all right
cool let's move on.
Don't say it again yeah, likeand and there's a massive
difference between those twothings.
Where we do have to have a case, we just want a blanket
statement the world and just saylike you get one shot or you're
done yeah or everything's caseby case you know, and it's just
like not ever dude.
The keanu reeves of the worldare rare man they are, they are

(58:37):
it's just him just sitting alonebeing a perfect guy.
He looks like jesus, you know.
But chances are, if we reallydug in, we'd probably find
something dummy did once, yeah,we'd be like, well, that one
time when you were 18 I sawthreads the other day and
someone's like I'm watching thebuffy show for the first time
ever, which is like god from the90s, like the late 90s, and
it's like they really use the rword a lot and I'm like, yeah,

(58:58):
yeah, we did all the time likewe touched on last episode, the
R word and even like gay initself was used as a slur, not
even like attacking the gaycommunity.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
You were saying like, if I didn't like what you were
doing, I'd be like, that's gay,Even like.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
but the thing is, even back then, which I grew up,
I couldn't tell you of a gaystudent in my class.
You know and I guarantee youthere were tons of closeted gay
students in my class Becausethere was not a safe environment
.
For the record, people are fromOklahoma.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It's still not necessarily the best place to
come out.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's better but it's not great, we're not in Oklahoma
City or Tulsa, those placesyou're probably fine.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
You're generally okay .

Speaker 1 (59:32):
So I graduate in 2004 .
That's my age.
And so I don't know if a gayclassmate, but yeah, you said
the R word to say something wasstupid or lame, because you're
dumb and that was part of thevernacular and you don't know
any better.
You didn't question things likeif you're gonna cancel a blanket
statement everybody's, but Ialso know that we did have some
mentally handicapped students inmy class and you never said it
to them, right?
You were like no, there's aline.
Yeah, we at least have somesort of standard, of being like
some weird.

(59:53):
No, you can't say that, don'tuse that word with him, like
they can't help that, yeah.
But then you grow up and you'relike oh, that, I get it now
yeah to say, to equate that wordwith lame and it's just like
it's not.
It's just, there's all thesevariables and yeah, that's a
shitty thing to do.
I'm taking that word out of myvocabulary, right, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
and so, like you just grow up and it would just suck
if someone had a camera on mewhen I was 12, all the time yes
and was able to play it back nowand go like I would hate to
have a smartphone in myexistence in middle school, high
school, at all, like justbecause not that I was doing
anything bad, but then becauseit's like we said, like if we
found any monochrome of success,or if just people just wanted
to like kind of ruin your life,oh, nick, I've told you, if
either one of us ever becomesuccessful at anything, we have

(01:00:34):
to delete the podcast.
I was, like I've said somethingdumb on this podcast at some
point and someone will take itand blow it out of proportion
absolutely and you know, like Ihave 100 said something
problematic on this podcast atsome point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
It's a microphone and we don't do a ton of editing
and so well, not anymore andlike we've been doing it for
five years, I guarantee you as aperson, I've grown a lot in
five years, because that'shopefully what we do as people.
Sure, I bet I go back andlisten to our early episodes and
be like that was a littlecringy, I was kind of stupid
that was dumb and that wasignorant of me and so yeah, and
this is like and that's dumb,but we're back on the whole
cancel culture thing.
That's just because the lincolnpark lady, emily strong

(01:01:08):
armstrong armstrong gotmilkshake duck, which I learned
as a term for milkshake, nothaving a great punk name yeah,
that is a good.
That is a good punk name but Imean again, like even right now,
everything is even divided bylike well, you can't like them
because they're pro israel, oryou can't like them or they're
pro palestine and it's like dude, just listen to the song and
like you know, if you don't wantto support them, download it

(01:01:28):
illegally, you have that optiongo to the pirate bay, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Just go steal their music, then you're sticking it
to them, but you can still enjoytheir music.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yeah, or art, or whatever you know um, I don't
know if I can get sued fortelling people to steal.
I don't know.
Just don't say I did it, I toldyou to, nick told you to Okay,
so now we got to talk movies, wedo have to move on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
If you stuck with us and you're listening to this
movie podcast about movies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Congrats, you're here .

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
You made it to the movie part.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I will find the time code at some.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Music comes up in movies a lot.
It does, and I'm not going totalk about the lame stuff like
Allie Dale would like JohnWilliams, like the composing in
Hans Zimmer, like that's nerdystuff Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Just the majority of the music world.
Yeah, yeah, like forget it, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Hans Zimmer, john Williams.
What's the cool, howard?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Shore, Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
What's like Encino?
Oh, oh, uh, oh, yeah, yeah,morocco, and yeah, yeah, that
guy.
Yeah, all of our cinephilessaid you know what, screw this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I'm just listening seriously and now they can't
even think of the good, bad andugly composer like screw these
guys um.
It's true, we can't um insiniomoroni no it's inio, morocco,
and I probably am saying thatexactly.
Composer and orchestrator, whodid the?
Who did the?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
uh, he did the uh music for the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
John carpenter's the thing it was supposed to be him
uh but it wasn't but they took.
They didn't use music, becausethey used it in hateful eight
was what they did I think, yeah,it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Uh, john carpenter did the music that's right,
because john carpenter he does.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It's right, he also does concerts like yeah, yeah it
was composed by Morricone, butsome pieces were left blank due
to the process of how the filmwas scored.
So I guess just a lot wasmissed, or something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
So some of it is Morricone and some of it is John
Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It seems to be that way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
See my thing, everybody makes a big deal out
of Jaws because it's real easyLike do-do-do-do, it's like just
a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Right, it's like a heartbeat sound.
Well, one is like very overtand loud in your face the Thing
one, though it just gets underyour skin.
The Thing is subtle, likethat's the whole point of the
Thing, but man, it's just whenyou hear it you're like oh crap.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, I think it's way more fun.
Yeah, jaws is like the song andit's like okay, nick, but we're
not gonna talk about composers.
We already talked about themtoo much.
But music has a lot of fakebands.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It does I want?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
you to come up with the three night festival and
give me your three headliners offake bands.
Okay, oh crap, I haven'tprepared for this.
You haven't prepared for this,Corey.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
All right, well, I'm just gonna name off, name off.
Yeah, I mean, weirdly there's alot of them.
Actually you've got spinal tap,blues brothers.
You got still water from almostfamous the sexpa bombs, the
oneeders excuse me, the wonders,yeah, the wonders.
Okay, I think I have mine okayyou can go first though no, no,
you can go first, because Idon't have anything, right?
Oh, you don't have any.
I have to pull it out of mybutt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Oh, my gosh nick um, okay, so I'm doing a three night
festival, okay, um, I'm gonnastart out with like you know,
like and it's weird likesometimes these festivals do
like uh, what am I trying to say?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
co.
Well, it's like it's likethey'll do like a different
genre every night almost yeah,like, and it's like tonight's
this is the rap night, or thisis the alternative music and I
this is the metal night.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah okay, so for metal night.
Okay, I'm doing steel dragonfrom the movie rock star okay,
some, some, some.
Mark walberg there for youbecause weirdly, they wrote a
ton of great songs for thatmovie.
That's the thing, man.
You know why I can't go withthe wonders?
They got the one song, manthat's fair.
No, they had a couple songs Imean they do and they're all
right.
I mean they're all right we're,but we're assuming.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
We're assuming that they, if they're playing a
concert, that there are othersongs and I think they have the
ability to play other songs andhere's my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I think I'm doing an all rock festival yeah you know,
like steel dragons, likethey're doing my friday night
though, okay they're headliningI think still water's playing.
But again I don't think theyhave enough to back headlining
uh-huh um, and I'm gonna makespinal tap open right before
steel dragon.
It's weird.
I'm not gonna go steel dragonokay um my saturday night okay,

(01:05:20):
I listening I don't even knowwhat they're called.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
What movie is it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
from From the Phantom of the Paradise.
It's like the band that thebeef guy leads.
Have you seen it yet?

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I haven't yet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
It's so good.
Oh my gosh, I can't rememberwhat is the band.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
The Undeads, the Undeads yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
It's interesting because it's the same band keeps
morphing throughout the movieand, in their final form, is the
undeads, and they get beef asthe lead singer got it, they're
headlining my Saturday night sex.
Bob-omb will open up for them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It's a good choice.
It's a good choice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Um, but my Sunday night.
Who's actually like closing outthis festival?
Okay um, that I will probably goabout as well as Woodstock 99
Is Doug's the beat.
They have a lot of good songs,they do.
They.
That I will probably go aboutas well as Woodstock 99 is
Doug's the Beats.
Nice, they have a lot of goodsongs, they do.
They.
Played them all through theshow.
It was great and they're allreally good.
So the Beats are 100% closingout my fake festival and we'll
just let Dr Teeth and ElectricMayhem open that night.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I thought they got some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I'm surprised Wild Stallions didn't make the cut.
Well, it's because when theyactually get good in Bill and
Ted 2, it's just like a Kisssong.
There's no original music fromthe Wild Stallions.
You're really judging the music.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
It's not just the memories of it, the Wild
Stallions never produced anoriginal song in the movies.
They did the third one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I never saw the third one.
It's too precious to me.
I'm afraid of it.
That's what I'm going to tellyou not to watch.
I'm afraid of it.
I think you're going to you'llget a little disappointed by
that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I'm at that.
I'm at that thing where, likeQuentin Tarantino literally just
did an interview where he'snever watched past Toy Story 3.
Yeah, because he said it's whyI haven't engaged with a lot of
marvel past in-game sure, unlessit's like an event type of
scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
I'm like I'm not gonna watch I mean I was
surprised you came out fordeadpool and wolverine because
it was its own thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
It's just kind of like I can see this it's not too
too.
Uh tied into everything I'm notfollowing much of the
multiverse crap, you know it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It's just a lot too.
I mean they, they made themistake, they made this thing.
They were forced to make tvshows because of disney plus and
I think that was the mistake.
Suddenly all their moviesbecame six hours stretched out
things.
For the most part, you're notgetting like the great uh, focus
on a lot of these movies whatare you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
are you making an actual festival?
I'm just writing, I'm justlooking up names so I can decide
what to do here.
Okay, but I see a good one yeah, there's some good ones in here
so, okay, so night one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Let's look, okay, we'll, we'll do night one, we'll
do.
I'm just gonna go all over theplace.
You just gotta pick and chooseyour nights like that's a normal
festival festivals are like man, I want to go see both bands,
but they're playing twodifferent nights and I only got
money for one.
Yeah, so I'll go night one.
Um, I want marvin barry and thestar lighters opening like
leading into the blues brotherswith or without michael j fox,
with With Michael J.
Fox, of course, got it BecauseMichael J Fox's 80s band is not

(01:08:03):
very good from Back to theFuture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
What do you mean?
They're just playing Huey Lewissongs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
But it's a bad.
Huey Lewis oh, that's true,they're not doing well.
Huey Lewis did not approve.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
That's right.
Huey Lewis himself said next.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
He was not happy about it.
Beyond that, I'm giving you thewonders as one of the early
opening acts and then I'm gonna.
I'll play a little bit intochildhood here and this will
lead into all the Disney kidsout there.
We'll do power line.
He's got some bangers.
It's a banger song.
It's a couple great songs thathe's got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I only know the one there's eye to eye and then
stand out like, both are prettygood some band.
Magnolia Park just covered eyeto eye for that.
Disney goes punk.
Yeah, a whole new sound.
Is it sound?
Was it good?
It's actually really good.
Okay, all right, I'll have tocheck it out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
But yeah, that'll be our like kind of pop, uh, you
know, evening, and then I'mgonna give you, I'll give you,
uh, okay, I'm gonna give you sexbomb to open to as well on
night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Three, the attackers from streets of fire oh, that's
gonna be a wild night man andwe're gonna finish it out with
dr teeth and the electric mayhemyeah, dude, yours is actually
ending like woodstock 99 a lotof stuff's gonna go on fire,
it's gonna be nuts hey, let meask you this going back to lean
park for a second.
When did their first album comeout?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
1999 or 2000 was hybrid theory it was hybrid
theory.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yes, yes, yes because you know, I'm kind of wondering
I believe it was 2000, becausewe just had this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
I just had this conversation with some friends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
So there's all these documentaries coming out now
about Woodstock 99.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
And how atrocious it was.
Yeah, there's like literallytwo documentaries.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Bill Simmons had one for HBO and then Netflix made
one and that's like a threeepisode thing and it's
interesting because it alwaysgoes back to did Fred Durst like
cause a riot, you know because,they were massive.
They weren't even headliningthe festival, that's they were
massive.
They weren't headlining thefestival.
That's also they didn't evenheadline their day.
Yeah, like they were like, buteveryone was there to see them
right and then they of courseplayed break stuff and they just
start tearing the place apart,and then other promoters are

(01:09:50):
like well, he should have calmedthe crowd down, you're like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
for a dirt calm and fred.
Dirt's are not synonymous witheach other.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
This, it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
This man has a lyric that literally says let's burn
this motherfucker down you makea lot of money wearing a red
yankees hat and being angsty asshit and you want him to go out
there and be like guys, guysguys, hold on.
We're all here to have a goodtime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Maybe we shouldn't break stuff, guys yeah, I'm
singing a song, but it'smetaphorical.
Please don't litter.
It's like, no, he's not gonnasay that, he's gonna like,
absolutely tell these kids totear this place apart.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
He needs to be at one of our concerts.
Is b-rabbit?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
who's b-rabrap from eight mile?
Oh, you're right.
Also, we just need just in frombodyguard.
He's just whitney houston, witha different name you know.
The best performance atwoodstock 99, though is is dmx
but see they consider thatproblematic because the entire
crowd was white kids yelling then-word.
But listen for for 1999 for a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Maybe they were, I wasn't paying attention to that
part but like for him to go outthere alone on the stage and,
like this audience is captive.
The thousands, almost how manypeople were at this thing?
Like 200 200 000 people, far asyou could see, and they're all
vibing with just a man on astage with his hype man dj, and
he's singing.
Uh, stop, drop it and shut himdown.
Open up shop with writers album.
That's one of those writers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Anthem you know, again I I hate over analyzing
the past but that is one ofthose things that is a good
point that they bring up andlike.
As you're watching thedocumentary, you're like, oh my
gosh, there was no black peopleat this thing, it's kind of nuts
, it's like it's a sea of whitemainly dudes yeah and then some
women you know a lot of womenwho were all naked.
For some reason it's woodstockand it's also.
I think it was really hot yeahso I mean water was like four

(01:11:17):
bucks in 1999 it was.
It turned out to be a festivaltrying to gouge everybody yeah,
but like I remember music, musicplaces, gouging money.
Well, it's supposed to bewoodstock man, it's not supposed
to be capitalistic, but ittotally was.
And the guy that started thefirst music people taking
advantage of our hard-earneddollars.
So, um, but it is.
It was interesting, I rememberthey bringing that up it's like
oh it's just a sea of white kidsyelling the n-word, but it's
like okay, yeah, but it was 99,everybody's stupid um,

(01:11:38):
especially though it's gen x man, yeah yeah, it's gen x, it's
their fault they lost kurtcobain and they're mad.
So but like, uh, it'sinteresting because like I
wonder if lincoln park had comeout two years early if they're
the limp biscuit of what lookslike.
I wonder if, like, shut up,what I'm talking to you is when
they tear the place down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Okay, but here's the thing about the difference
between lincoln park and limpbiscuit and pacifist peacetime
people, yeah, like they're angry, but they might have come out
and said everyone chill, yeah,they would have been the first
like, because they've stoppedconcerts being like get that guy
up like we're not doing thatwhich is normal.
Now I think I've seen countryartists do that recently, like
this week, like stop concertbiscuit was like the guns and
roses of their era, like it waspure rock and roll pure more

(01:12:20):
chaotic, chaotic yes, 100 likethat was because that was the
thing like it's like wcw and wwfcory.
Wcw was the kind of thesqueakier, clean version of
wrestling of the 90s theattitude era stuff, and wwf was
like we're doing all the crazystuff in the pain, yeah limp
biscuit was wwf, lincoln parkwas wcw.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, okay, in this case wcw outlasted well, if
lindbisc Limp Bizkit's gone toroses, linkin Park is Rush, and
Rush is going to be, likeeveryone, chill, yeah, okay,
hold on, wait, okay.
What's all this craziness about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Guys, this is not cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
So, like you know, I just thought of that the other
day, though I was like I wonderif One Step Closer was around in
99, if it would have been theantagonist, for sure, but I
don't think they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It would have been nuts, but I don't think the
chaotic energy that fred, durstand limp biscuit had was really
what put it over I saw them playback to back you did you have
the perfect example.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
So, um, yeah, okay, all right, that I was just.
I was just curious.
I just wanted your thoughts onhow lincoln park would fit in
1999, um, and so, uh, okay, nick, moving on, let's talk music
biopics oh, do we have to yes,are there any good ones?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
there are few and far between name a good one I think
I'm very sometimes.
I just don't want to watch thembecause it's like you've seen
the whole movie in the traileryeah, you know a lot of times
you know the ending right, likeI think walk hard did a pretty
good job of just the statestandard biopic, which is like
we're gonna follow this guy'swhole life, basically hard like
the story, he's not real.

(01:13:47):
Yeah walk the line.
Excuse me, listen.
Walk hard is the greatestbiopic of all time, cory you
just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Talking about the thing about walk hard is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Which is great is if you watch walk hard, it breaks
your brain and the glass ceilingand illusion of any biopic it
ruined.
If it had been a bigger hit, wewe wouldn't be having behemian
rhapsody would wouldn't havebeen what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I never watched dewey cox I don't like that type of
humor but, but it's, it's asend-up of all biopic movies
yeah so literally, like you knowthe beginning, he's got the
biggest concert of his life.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
He's like dewey cox has to think about his entire
life before this concert andthen it flashes back to his
birth and stuff.
So a lot of that type of stuff,yeah, but you walk the line.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah, what you're talking about.
Yeah, I have that in my topfive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
We had two movies that came out the same year
behemian rhapsody and thenrocket man which took two
different takes two differenttakes rocket man was very.
It was a fantastic realisticmusical and I liked that way
better.
But human rhapsody also had allthis weird behind the scenes
stuff, like people like hate onit for its edit.
It was weird because like theband itself is just too full of
themselves and like apparentlythey had to have equal time on

(01:14:44):
screen.
It's like this movie is aboutFreddie Mercury.
Your band doesn't exist withoutFreddie.
It's kind of true, like well,hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I'll say what I did appreciate about Bohemian.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Rhapsody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Okay, is it?
Lets everyone know that thebass player was also the secret
weapon.
Yes, the bass player is justwriting hit songs, right?
Yeah, and no one knows his name.
We know Roger Taylor, brian Mayand then the other guy and the
other guy you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Nobody knows the name .
Oh, do you even know his nameactually?
Off the top my head.
No Queen.
Queen bassist is John DeaconJohn.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Deacon, john Deacon, he's just like tell everybody
shut up when they're fighting,and then he just whips out
another one.
Bites the dust right.
So I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
It's true's true, it's true.
No basis, don't get a lot oflove.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
I appreciated that.
The movie said oh yeah, what'dyou say, jonathan Deacon?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
yeah, jonathan, john Deacon, john Deacon yeah he.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Um, those are both good.
I'll say here's the difference.
Bohemian Rhapsody tries tocapture a whole career yeah
right Queen starting getting big.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Freddie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Mercury dying.
Now my thing is I don't thinkit's that bad because it's a
short career, yeah, and they didhave to leave a lot of stuff
out, right, okay.
So here's what Rocket man didright and what I think should be
the future of music biopics.
Okay, it just took a part ofElton John's life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And focused on a small section of his career.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
And then in the credits you're like oh it does
go from his like it does followmost of his life, like it's
childhood it's, like it's insections it leads the whole back
half of his career.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
We don't get Disney, elton John.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I'm still standing is like where it cuts off.
It's the 80s, yeah.
And you know and I mean, andthey kind of fly through a lot
of childhood and stuff and it'sin and it's like cool, they
picked a like an ending yespoint rather than saying like,
all right now we gotta nail thelion king, you know and all this
stuff and get into like dualippa and britney spears

(01:16:30):
covering stuff yeah, in thefarewell tour.
I haven't seen it yet, butthere's a movie about the beach
boys called love and mercy Iwant to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
The john cusack, yeah , and apparently that just takes
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
It might even just be over like a week of time, and I
think that that's moreinteresting is to go.
Let's find a pivotal moment.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
More than that, because both actors are playing
brian wilson okay, so it'sselecting like a specific period
but I think what it is.
I think it's like, I think it'slike one of those bookend where
it's like one's a framingdevice.
Yeah, like I think brian will,brian wilson like weirdly was
like held hostage by a manageror something like that.
They abused his mental healthstuff and kind of ostracized him

(01:17:06):
for everybody.
So I think it's framing aroundthat John Cusack being
reclusively kept, but they'retelling the story of his life
and Dano is young.
Brian Wilson, I want to see it.
It's got Paul Giamatti beingthe bad guy, so it's got to be
good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I like the idea of going, because the problem with
biopics is like you said it justit's endless.
It's like we got to tell thewhole story and there's really
there's.
No, the only arc is the typical, you know rock star arc of you
start off, you make your firstsong, you get, you blow up huge,
you get into drugs and rock androll or your infidelity, and
then that's the dark night ofthe soul.
Then you got to pick yourselfback up and release that really
important song and theneverybody's happy for you but it

(01:17:40):
doesn't.
But then that's not so youdidn't like rocket man, I did I
did like rocket man, but like,and I felt like I think the
fantastical elements of it iswhat made it feel fresh.
But I want, I want biopics thatare taking like, honestly, like
eight mile is kind of like abiopic, it's, it's, it's a yeah
it's a but.
It's covering this certainpoint of eminem's life, did you?
Uh, did you like elvis?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I thought it was interesting.
I liked that they more or lesstold the story of his manager
more than they were tellingelvis.
I kind of liked that they usedthat as a device of like, look
at this shitty dude.
Yeah, that kind of used allthis.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, because you don't you never hear about that?
guy like nobody ever real,unless you're like an elvis fan
or whatever.
I guess you probably know.
But like I had never reallybeen aware that he had this
really bad manager that likebasically ran him into the
ground and just lied to him andgas, lit him up and stuff, so so
, yeah, so I think it's.
I think it's more interestingwhen you cover a particular
period, or at least you dosomething different than just

(01:18:31):
we're just going to follow thebeats of this person's life yeah
, and I think another thing islike so I like walk the line's
good, but again, walk the line,only it stops at a point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Right, it doesn't like say here's the entire other
40 years of johnny cash's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
We don't get to hurt yeah we don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah like, and so I think that works, that they kind
of just cover his and june'sstory yeah of like meeting, in
that I mean it covers a lot oftime.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Nwa works because they had a short career, yeah,
and so, like you have all thisbuild up to nwa and then the
aftermath, nwa also worksbecause, like we don't we don't
get a lot of or yeah, straightup straight out of compton works
, because we haven't reallygotten a lot of mainstream
african-american music storiesthat have been put on that scale
.
There's been like michaeljackson movies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
There's been oh, they've been terrible like tv
movies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, they're all tv movies and stuff and they
haven't been given like that.
But it's, it's, it's dr, dreand them being, you know,
multi-millionaire slashbillionaires and like finally
getting a platform to be able totell these stories finally.
So I think that's interesting,for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
I think the best all-time music biopic is.
I haven't seen it but, so good,watch la bomba nick.
Okay, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
But again you're talking about a guy who died
young, so you don't they don'toverdo it yeah, tell them the
story of the rise of this, likelatino kid, even a story about
like nirvana post cobain, likehow did they pull themselves out
of that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
it's weird that they haven't necessarily done a huge
cobain biopic like gus van zandt, I mean something called last
days and I don't think they eversay cobain, yeah, just like.
I think it's kind of like whatyou did, like eight mile, it's
like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Look at this cobain s character well, is there a
movie about an artist and thisis complete ignorance.
I'm asking this question wherethey did kill themselves and but
and they've made a movie aboutthat artist, like john lennon,
got shot yeah, but again wedon't even have like a proper
linen right alia crash.
I mean we're about to get fourfreaking beatles movies I don't

(01:20:17):
know about that, apparently,yeah um, but sounds like a bad
idea.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
It sounds, sounds like too much, because again,
again, I actually think theBeatles is weirdly a movie you
can make, yeah, like in twohours, because their whole
career was seven years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah, as a band.
It's crazy Like they didn'tmake it out of their third,
their 20s as a band.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, like they were done, so you can literally tell
the story of the Beatles.
Yeah, stop at the breakup yeahand like say obviously john
lennon died yeah, harrison died.
You know, ringo and paul arestill kicking around, you know?
I mean like you could do thatyeah and so like, and I think
acdc could be, uh, a short movie, because once that bon scott
died and brian john scottreplaced, they never made an
album that didn't sound like theother 30 albums like right,

(01:20:56):
it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
But even that, like you get the transition like you
could make.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
That's the story, is the rise of a band and the death
of the lead singer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Then they, you know, but I think you, but I think an
interesting movie is thestarting with the death of the
lead singer.
Like you, you start.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
You could make a whole movie.
That's just the.
Do we go on as acdc?
Yeah well, there's this guy.
Bon scott used to talk about alot that he liked and we could
check him out imagine likestructurally as a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
It's like you you have the jump in where it's all
big and loud and everybody'sloving it, and then it cuts to
hard, cut to like you hear news,news reports of like Kurt
Cobain has killed himself, blah,blah.
And then it cuts to the funeral.
You've got Dave Grohl and thebassist there and they're just.
And then it's like where arethey?
How do they move on from this?
like that's a drama that you canreally sink your teeth into
they'll probably make a DaveGrohl movie one day, yeah you

(01:21:37):
know, just because he's like thelast rock star alive yeah, um,
he also just found out he's afather again not in his own
marriage um, yeah, the movieprobably won't get to that point
again goes to show that evenlike the coolest people have
have some, some stuff probably.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
He's a pretty lovable dude and he cheated on his wife
, but he owned up to it, so I'mnot gonna judge him too hard.
Okay, um and so, but like so,biopics yeah, I think that the
proper way to do them.
If you want to tell a wholecareer, go to go to streaming,
make a series yes, you know isthere a biopic?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
you want nick I think there are interesting.
This is not a thought I've had,I'm thinking literally about it
right now.
I think you could takesomething like you know uh, that
thing you do follows a one-hitband.
There's plenty of fun like 90sbands you could do that with.
You could do a Rise and Fall ofCreed Super easy, especially
with their newfound fame andstuff that they've got because
of post-Rangers run into theWorld Series.

(01:22:31):
So you've got a lot ofinteresting stuff like that.
I don't even know how you do aLinkin Park thing because I
wouldn't want to do an A to B toZ, basically of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Or how do they pick themselves up after this, like
you'd almost want to like, Ihonestly think, like with the
lincoln park thing you'd almostbe like you'd almost like eight
mile it like, here's this, youdon't use the name lincoln park.
It's like hey here's thisup-and-coming band and elise
singer killed himself.
And here's the story of how youmove on, I think if anything
you you tell a story aboutchester because like struggling
struggling until he findslincoln park yeah like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
And then it becomes this marriage of like, because
they had a singer before, itjust wasn't what they were going
for.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
And then he, that guy , bailed, and Chester just
happened at that point you'remaking a mental health movie
you're making like a Joker typemovie where it's like, really
the thing we're trying to get tosomething, park is about that.
This guy who seemed perfectlyfine yeah, wasn't sure.
Sure, you know yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Robin Williams movie will eventually get one day,
because that's the thing is likeand that's what people would
talk about after Chester hadpassed, was it's the same thing
with Robbins?
Like well, he was smiling, hewas always happy.
It's like he literally was onan interview, like not even a
week before on a radio thing,being like my brain is the
scariest place.
He's like I don't like to bealone with it.
It's like they're like I wastelling you we were texting
yesterday and I said you know Ibelieve and correct me if I'm
wrong, internet, but they weresupposed to be.

(01:23:36):
They just finished, like, theirEuropean tour for the new album
.
They were gonna come statesideand tour with blink 182 and you
and I would have definitely goneto see that would have gone and
.
But that was like my only shotto go see them live with chester
still being alive, but like hadhe it's, it's one of those.
It's a big what if you can playthat game all day.
But it's like had he just nothad gone home and they just gone
straight to the concert.
He could still have been therelonger maybe, but you never know

(01:23:56):
.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah, because it is one of those things where it's
just bad place in time events.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Yeah, and he just got left alone at the wrong time,
you know, type of thing um, okay, so some biopics I want.
I want a ramones biopic I feellike there's a lot of like 70s
punk and and stuff that justhasn't been covered.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I think ramones one would be good series because it
is I think you got to cover someground there um sex pistols
could be a movie, because theymade one album yeah has there
been?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
a a series, yet like a limited series.
Anything about a band?
I don't know, I mean like theymade a they made one for selena.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
That was about 11 times better than this.
Uh, jlo movie, okay, um, andthen, uh, I think, zeppelin.
I don't love led zeppelin, butagain, they're a band that, like
, released a very small numberof albums in the 70s and then
broke up.
The second john bottom died.
Okay, and that would be fun,just because that's a bunch of
larger than life characters.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Sure Also, where the bassist is doing all the work.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah, also.
So here's a question.
Nick in a biopic.
Do you think it's moreimportant that they look a lot
like the person, or do you thinkthe performance can?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
overshadow.
That's kind of the thing about.
The other thing about biopicsis it's like is it really acting
.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
I love straight out of compton because I think
everybody looks enough like thedudes in wa I mean obviously ice
cube son is playing himself inthat one, but the guy looks like
easy yellow, looks like yellow,you know they.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
They look a lot like their specific things and then
like sure, like it's not easy tolike portray a character easy,
easy, yeah, nice, but it's.
But at the same time it's likeyou have versus, like johnny
depp, creating jack sparrowbased on all these different
elements and creating a newbeing yeah versus an impression
an impression.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
You just need to learn some mannerisms, learn
voice.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
You study tape all day, yeah you learn how to play
the piano I think that's acting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
I think it's just like a lower form of acting yeah
, okay um, and so I would saythat, like I can, kind of, I
like nwa, because I think theydid work at it.
There's like a hulu seriescalled clip right now about the
clippers and it's gettingtrashed because nobody even
remotely looks like anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
I think it's like you don't have to.
I think spot on is great, butlike as long as you're close
enough, because it's like tarynedgerton looked eerily like oh
yeah, elton john a lot.
He did his own singing and it'slike it's a pretty good thing.
Rami malik doesn't look a lotlike freddie mercury but, his
performance was, I would say thesame thing with austin butler.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Didn't look a lot like elvis but I think their
performances helped kind of kindof cover it yeah, split the gap
phoenix looks enough likejohnny cash and the voice.
Good gosh that was impressiveum, but like there's things like
the dirt motley crew, I thinkit's the worst biopic ever made.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I think it's just absolute, unwatchable, garbage,
trash and I hate that was even amovie or a series.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
As a movie, okay, it's by the jackass guy, oh you
know, every once in a while theytry to let him make a feature
and it's just.
It was atrocious.
Nobody looks like anybody.
Machine gun kelly's weirdly themost talented dude in it, oh no
like which is bad yeah becausehe's not an actor really, and
it's just it, and it's it'smotley crew saying like look,
we're the joke.
Everyone thinks we are.
We're just a bunch of drug at ityou know you're kind of like

(01:26:48):
they didn't tell a redeemingstory at all and it also tried
to cover way too much groundgotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Um, I do feel like I think biopics just innately to
me, just are off-putting likeI'm just like it's hard for me
to get into just a straight updrama, and it's hard unless I
just love the band or really I'minterested in them, like I.
It's almost like I'm like Icould do a wikipedia read about
this real quick, yeah, or watcha live concert docu-series or
something.
But I would.
I would be more open to, yeah,like a limited run series of

(01:27:15):
like here's led zeppelin, here'smotley crew here's and because
you're getting.
You are getting to deep dive alittle bit more, and I feel like
covering someone's life orcareer is better built for
television, because then you'renot having to just crunch it all
into two hours and it'sinteresting because, like I
couldn't, like my favorite bandof all time is blink-182 and I
couldn't even envision ablink-182 movie, despite the
fact that they have a weirdlycool story.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Yeah, you know, like I mean, they've broken up twice
and like they've now come aroundwhere it's like the one more
time video, I did cry yeah, youknow because it is very
emotional, but like it isessentially travis barker almost
died once, mark hoppus almostdied to cancer and it's like tom
delong finally grew up and saidcrap, I'm gonna lose my friends
yeah and like it's stupid tofight, and so they get back
together and there's a storythere, but I still it just feels

(01:27:56):
like it's point two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
It'd be weird if there was a movie about them
weirdly enough, the jackass guyshould have made the bleak 182
movie not the motley crew moviemaybe, so you know what I mean
like those blend together.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
But like yeah, you're right, but I think most of the
jackass dudes are in a motley.
But like, uh, okay, like if youhad to cast a lincoln park
movie, could you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
not on the top of my head okay because you're also
running into, like mike isjapanese and then I mean you
could do chest chester white,you know but like.
Mr Han, I think he's alsoJapanese.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I don't think Orlando Bloom would make a good Chester
.
He looks like him for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I mean, but you'd have to like, get you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
2005 Orlando Bloom oh , that's right, he's starting to
.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
He's starting to grow a little long in the tooth
there, but uh, yeah, I don't, Idon't, I would have to think
about it.
Maybe we can put that on socialmedia or something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Okay.
So here's the thing.
Not my favorite band, um At allOkay, but they're the band that
got me into it KISS Okay, youknow I outgrew KISS.
Either you stick with KISSforever or you outgrow them and
you just grow up to realize thatthey're like just, they're more
businessmen than they aremusicians.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Real quick note Joseph Hahn, Mr Hahn of Linkin
Park.
He's Korean, Okay, so I justwanted to clarify that you know
what I learned about Linkin Park.
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
So the guitar player isn't going to tour with him
right, right, yeah, brad's notgoing to.
He's like I don't want to tourand I guess he or Shinoda both
mentioned that no-transcript andI'm wearing big in-ears.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
I'm not wearing in-ears, I'm the guy with the
big fro in the headset.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Apparently those are noise-canceling things Wow.
Okay, See, apparently heactually hates loud environments
.
That makes so that's hey,whatever.
And he's just like whatever.
I'm old, I'm not touring, buthe's still gonna like be on the
album or whatever yeah um, sothey've been talking about kiss
biopic forever, right evennetflix, I think it's been on it
like hey, when they, when wemake this, we want to be the

(01:29:50):
distributor of it, you know,because it's kiss.
Now I say this it should 100 bejust the 70s.
Okay, it should go up to wherethey take the makeup off in,
like 1983.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Okay, it should be the formation to losing the
makeup and then cut that's itthe credits can be, and they had
a career without makeup, it wasokay was that also kind of to
the point where it was the fourmain members of the band still?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
so, uh, no, peter chris quits in like 78 the
drummer, and then they get a newguy and they put different
makeup on him yeah denny'sfreely like screw that.
Peter chris is gone, he was mybro, he qu Okay, they get
another dude.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
They put some makeup on him but it's different makeup
and it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Yeah, and so then they said this is dumb.
Everyone's kind of tired of themakeup thing.
We be they kind of got likeuncool.
Yeah in the.
You know, in the 70s it becamelike little kids were in the
kiss and so they took the makeupoff.
Gene Simmons tried acting.
Paul Stanley carried kiss onhis shoulders through the 80s
Like he pretty much did all ofthe work.

(01:30:44):
He threw the other three dudes,two new members, on his back
and carried them through the 80suntil he gets to the 90s.
Nostalgia happens and they'relike let's put makeup back on,
and they've been doing that eversince 96, and so I casted what
I think would be a good kissmovie okay okay, all right, I
think there's five crucial rolesfor a movie that captures 70s.
Kiss, okay, late, laid on me,and I mean there's also I didn't

(01:31:05):
bother with the two extramembers, which probably also
need to be cast, sure, but Icouldn't even try right now.
But I think you have to castthe manager, bill Acoin.
Okay, he essentially is the guythat turned Kiss into a
merchandising machine, got it?
He's the guy that said I'mgoing to make you guys wealthy
by making, just slapping yourface paint on everything.
His name is Bill O'Coin.
That needs to be Neil PatrickHarris all day long.

(01:31:25):
Okay, you know, bill O'Coin wasa famously gay man, right, and
uh, and I, and he was justreally an eccentric dude, okay,
so I think it's Neil PatrickHarris all day long.
Nice, uh, peter Criss, thedrummer white okay, so we're
modern, modern cast.
Oh yeah, yeah, this is like ifwe make this movie tomorrow, got
it, got it so jeremy allenwhite, I think he can do like
the weird mumbly new york accent, because you couldn't even

(01:31:47):
understand peter chris talkingright.
He had a really thick bronxaccent, sure uh, ace, freely
controversial here, ezra miller,oh no, but ace really is the
weird guy okay, he's absolutelythe weirdest dude in the band
and I think you need ezra miller.
Ezra miller here, uh, genesimmons is 100 adam driver.
They're both freakishly talljewish men, and so I just think

(01:32:12):
it's got to be adam driver, okay.
And uh, paul stanley that onewas the hard one because paul
stanley's very charismatic, veryflamboyant, okay, um, and I
just need a guy that is weirdlychameleon like I think yeah, not
afraid showing a hairy chestokay which I don't know if he
can grow chest hair, if we'dhave to like cgis him on there.
But bill scars guard is gonnabe my paul stanley.

(01:32:33):
Okay, sure he'll.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
He'll lose himself in a role I think bill scars guard
can do no wrong.
That's a big, that's a big, uh,it's a big, big group there
yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
It's gonna be a very inflated budget.
Yes, let's kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
They have the money, it's true, and they would, and
they have such big egos they'dbe like we only oh my gosh their
egos are so big that, no matterwhat, this biopic will be
absolutely terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah, because gene simmons will not allow them to
be shown in a bad light, andhe's a terrible guy, and paul
stanley's pretty terrible well Imean you've got detroit rock
city, so like that's about it,but they only show up at the end
right, they just do the concert.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
It's gonna be something on that level where
it's just very, very fun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
It's not really touching, which is a great movie
.
It is a great movie.
That's such a good movie.
Um, everyone hated it, but Iloved it.
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
It's a coming of age story.
They gotta go see theirfavorite band.
My dad went to see kiss.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I didn't know yes, how is your dad?
How did your dad grow up to be?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
your dad.
There's a whole thing.
Actually.
He tried to go see Kiss.
I think my grandma found outand wouldn't let him go.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
And see why didn't he just break the cycle and let
you be you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Why didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
he think about the night he could have saw Kiss and
been like Nick.
You can go see Linkin Park,thanks dad Real bonding moment.
It's weird.
You either break the cycle oryou just lean into it and you're
like, well, I didn't get to seekiss, so f you, neither do you.
It's like who's kiss?
Whatever band you like, thisrap rock you like, so all right,
that's our music.
We're at two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
We gotta wrap up let me ask you one final question to
wrap it up, and this can bevery quick.
Who do you think is thegreatest fictional movie band of
all time?

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
who do?
You think like the biggest,like fictional movie band yeah,
yeah, yeah it's hard not to sayspinal tap, sure, because they
were actually a band that toured, that's fair yeah, like
literally created a band.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
They literally are musicians and wrote songs and
released albums.
That's, that's probably true.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
But like so.
So in a weird way, it's hard tocall them even fictional
because they kind of became real.
Okay, I would say I would.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
But we're talking like if I, if I went to the
normal casual person, saidwhat's, what's a rock band from
a movie you like?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
that's not real like, who would they think of?
Probably it's got to be in myhead, it's got to be the
oneiders, the wonders probably.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I just feel like everyone knows it.
But kind of, they know the song, they know the band from the
tom hanks movie, the, the thingthey joke, everyone would say oh
, that's oneiders, yeah, yeah,no, that's, I think, a lot of
younger people might say likethey would just quickly go to
like school of rock or somethinglike that too school of rock or
sex bomb, like sex bomb, um,and then I do think, weirdly
still, water has legs, probablyit's a gen x famous.
It's just.

(01:34:49):
It's a solid movie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Everyone saw it, yeah and fever dog was a big song.
Fever dog's a good song, it'sjust.
You know, they tried to turn itinto a musical.
I don't know if it's still amusical or not.
Like cam would be fun.
Like Cameron Crowe wrote it andput it on.
I don't know if it's stillplaying.
I want to go watch Bill and Tedin their Broadway thing that
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
They're doing a Broadway.
Oh wait, they're acting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
No, the actors are doing a serious play.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
We got to go watch them Because like Pan and stuff
on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Broadway he played like John, I think.
Oh, wow, so he was like a kidactor on Broadway.
So he's got the chops, but weshould go see it.
Let's do it.
I'm down.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Quantum Recast takes New York, we could go.
We're back in the New Yorkgroup If we don't care about
money.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
We could go see.
We go to New York and we can gowatch Jake Gyllenhaal and
Denzel in O.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Something Goodo I forget.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
We're going to be very high-brow people of the
theater for a weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
We can't even afford Hans Zimmer tickets in Dallas.
I don't think we can afford togo spend two nights on Broadway.
That's fair, so but yeah thatwas my question, keanu, if
you're listening, or Alex Winter, or, I think, jake Gy winter,
or I think jay jalen hall is afan, big fan yeah of the podcast
denzel, we would love ticketsto these broadway shows yeah, we
will literally interview youand you can plug whatever you

(01:36:07):
want we'll recast whatever moviewe will sell out so hard, just
like all great bands do.
Eventually we will sell out sohard we've been trying to sell
out for five years.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
We will cast you in every recast that we do from
here on out right into into thetable.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
We, despite rumors, we do not take bribes from
actors.
Wink yeah, the rumors thatNicolas Cage has slipped us a
lot of money to be cast in hismovies.
That is not true, we haveintegrity.
That's right.
All right, let's wrap this up.
We've lost all of our audienceTalking about music.
We've gained a whole newaudience.
Yeah, talking about music,we've gained a whole new

(01:36:42):
audience.
Yeah, like just, I love music,biopics.
I've been waiting for this.
That was Nick's opinion onLinkin Park, our opinion on
music in general, and where it'sat and then in fake bands.
So we hope you enjoyedlistening, as we're in this
weird hiatus from the normalpodcast and talking about
whatever we want.
So that was that.
Say goodnight, nick, goodnight.

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