The Lost World: Jurassic Park - In Defense of The Sequel: Jeff Goldblum's Dino-Trauma - Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
1997.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
And now it's only a matter of time before this lost
world is found.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hopefully we've kept this island quarantined and
contained Ooh, ah, that's how itall starts.
Later there's running andscreaming.
I need you to stand around thequeue immediately.
It was the worst at thisHistory of bad ideas.

(00:29):
Welcome to Quantum Recast.
It's one of our minisodes.
It's minisode time.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've gotAllie Dale here, hello, hello,
and from across the pond, andnewly married.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Newly married man, oh , my man, not guys.
Ash Curry, how are you, sir?
Um well, it's so good to beback.
It's been a minute since I'vebeen back.
My advice don't get married ifyou can't, it's expensive it's
expensive.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I can well when.
When you do it big like you did, I can, I can also imagine it
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It was also expensive on top of it it was crazy, but
just keeping a movie themedeveryone's place names was the
name of their favorite movie, sothat was really oh, that is so
cool, that's awesome so I had toask every single guest what
their favorite movie was thatwas really just collecting
information so you know who yourreal, who your real friends.
Oh my gosh.
I did a thing where I had towatch every single film that I

(01:23):
hadn't seen, so I think therewas two or three that I hadn't
seen, so yeah, okay, jurassicPark.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Were there any weird ones?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
There was a lot of duplicates, so Harry Potter came
up three times, save it.
Private Ryan came up threetimes.
Jurassic Park came up twice.
Oh, the one film I didn't seewas Coco, the Disney film.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
So I had to watch that and didn't see was Coco the
Disney film, so I had to watchthat and that was amazing.
That is a really good one,great film, great film.
Can't believe I missed it, butyeah, it was a good one.
It was a good one, awesome.
Well, speaking of Jurassic Park, that's why we're here today,
not for the original, but forthe sequel, the Lost World,
jurassic Park, because thisminisode is a defense of the
sequel.
And what these are is basicallyCorey, who's not here today, uh

(02:03):
, but he has a theory that oftenhe wants to argue that sequels
are better than the original.
He doesn't like the building ofthe world, he likes playing in
the sandbox, and so usually it'sCorey sitting here telling me
why he thinks X movie is betterthan the original.
But today we have two diehardJurassic Park fans.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Ash, in particular, is a staunch supporter of the
Lost World, and it's on himtoday to convince Ali, who in
history has spoken out againstLost World.
I have and try to convince usthat it's better than what maybe
we remember.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, I have a very fond memory of the Lost World
and a lot of people hate it.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So I'm willing to defend it's.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna stand trial for it oh good luck,
for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, just to dive in .
So usually what we do on theseminisodes is I'll give a
comparison of the two, and sowe'll just dive into jurassic
park itself.
So if you have been livingunder a rock since the
cretaceous period, um, jurassicpark was released in june 11th
1993.
It's based on a book by michaelcrinkton.
If I say that wrong, Iapologize.
We're not great at saying nameshere, but uh, steven spielberg

(03:12):
directed.
It was released, yes, june 11th1993, on a budget of 63 million
, made 1.58 billion whenadjusted for inflation.
Pretty crazy now.
And then along comes the lostworld jurassic park, four years
later, released on july 18th1997, it had a budget of 73
million but only made 618million when adjusted so

(03:36):
obviously only oh I know, I knowonly 618 million I'm just
saying.
But yeah, I do remember uhgrowing up.
So for me personally and we candiscuss this very quickly but
jurassic park was obviously abig deal and as a child like I
was not allowed to watch it thefirst one.
When it came out I did sneakover to a friend's and we

(03:57):
started watched it and youngnick got a little freaked out
and I think I blamed it on likemy parents shouldn't let me
watch this.
But uh, nick was more thanready for Lost World Jurassic
Park and that was actually oneof the first again like live
action adult pg-13 movies I gotto have on VHS cassette and I
remember it very vividly.
It had the hologram uh VHS onthe front where the t-rex like

(04:19):
pops burst through the the logo.
That's pretty cool, pretty coolif you can find that on eBay.
It pretty sweet.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I don't think I have it anymore.
It's lost a time it would.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
That was really my first super deep dive into
Jurassic Park and that world.
I have some fond memories of itfor sure, but I do recall the
backlash.
It wasn't as big of a deal asthe first one.
I'm just going to ask reallyquick, Ash, what was your
experience with watching theLost World?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, the Lost World.
Well, I mean, yeah, first offJurassic Park.
Yeah, big deal in my life,absolutely loved that movie.
It was sort of the part of likeI kept going around relatives'
house and they always had thatone VHS, that one black VHS with
the dinosaur logo, and I waslike, what is this film at
everyone's house?
Because I was born in 89, soyou know, going around people's
house, people had already boughtthe vhs and it was just sitting

(05:08):
on shelves and then eventuallyI'd watch it and there was
nothing like sexy about thecover, it's just black no, it
was clean and like it wasn'ttelling you anything, 65 million
years in the making that's it,yeah.
And you know less is more andyou know I watched it around my
relatives.
And then then the thing withthe Lost World it was always on
TV.
Every time I turned on the TVit was on there.
I never watched it at thecinema, I never had a big
opening thing.

(05:29):
I never, like looked forward towatching it.
I just caught it on TV one timeand I was like this is a great
film, this is amazing, and Ithink I bought that on DVD to.
But bear in mind, when I firstwatched this, I had the lens of
a 14-year-old kid who lovesaction loves cheese.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
This is amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's so cool and this movie does have like 50, I'm
pretty sure 50% more dinosaursthan the first movie.
But I loved it, I absolutelylove it and I hold on to that
feeling of a 14-year-old Ash andI still.
I know, you know, every filmhas its flaws and jurassic park
is far superior, but the lostworld was just a fun ride and I
can still watch that film andit'll still be a fun ride and

(06:11):
for me now it's more of abackground movie that I'll watch
now and again.
You know it's one in thebackground while I'm on my phone
, which is blasphemous to say ona movie podcast, but it is one
of those movies where I can dothat and be comfortable.
Um, but yeah, I love the LostWorld, I love that film.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, what I found out recently was that there was
a book, novel, but it didn'tcome out till after the Jurassic
Park blew up and MichaelCrinkton was pressured to write
a sequel.
He's never written one, but hewas while shooting the novel's
film adaptation.
Spielberg believed that if asequel were made it would
involve the retrieval of, like,the canister that contained the
dino dna lost, but we justcompletely didn't do that at all

(06:47):
.
So it's, it's fine that wouldhave been sick too, I think
that's actually a plot point.
Taran probably has brought thisup to me before that of the
video game, one of thosetelltale.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's a plot point or it's like a side cool,
or something like that as well,no matter so, ali.
So so, ash, you still believein jurassic park superiority,
but lost world still has a closeplace in your heart and you
find you believe it to be asolid film nonetheless.
100.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah look, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna beat around,
the bush jurassic park is thebetter film, but the lost world
is getting a bad rap and I wantto put that to an end.
And it is a good film and Ithink a lot of the thing is that
attachment it has to theoriginal.
You can't beat an originalmovie.
I mean, some films have triedand failed, like the Godfather
and Top Gun and we'll find outwith Gladiator, but it's going
to be either a financial orcritical or pop culture disaster

(07:34):
when you try and do a sequel toa classic so you have to look
at it from a standalone moviebecause you're just piggybacking
off a classic and you're nevergoing to win.
So if you you watch it from astandalone point, remove all the
attachments from the original.
It's a good movie, it's a greatfilm for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah Well, that's Ash's opening opening statements
.
So Ali tell us about yourexperience growing up with the
Lost World and the originalJurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
So I'm going to be 110% honest.
I do not remember the firsttime I watched either of them,
because I was born in 92.
So Jurassic Park came outliterally before I turned one.
So I do not remember it.
According to my parents, mybrothers let me watch it when I
was three and apparently my momwas not very happy about that,

(08:17):
and apparently the first time Iwatched it I was terrified.
And then for some reason Idecided to watch it again and I
absolutely fell in love with it,which I love.
Dinosaurs anyways.
I I'm a huge growing up.
I mean I loved barney, I lovedthe land before time series, up
until the fifth one.
We're back.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, just I bailed on land before time when they
started singing so the secondone I was all like I was so
hyped and then, like littlefoots run up and that's music
gets'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I used to pull out our keyboard and pretend to play
along.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Hell yeah, what were you?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
saying Ash, I'm sorry .
I mean I haven't seen thesecond land before time.
I was emotionally wrecked afterthe first movie.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
They're not as emotional of a roller coaster as
the first one.
They definitely went the.
We're playing it safe and we'rejust having fun, add new
friends and stuff I will argue.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
The fourth one actually is is actually pretty
solid, but that may also bebecause one of the main
characters name is ally and Inever saw an ally growing up.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Little foot got a girlfriend dash.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's what happened how many say maybe four of them
oh, there's like 13 or 14 now,but I watched up until the fifth
one, yeah, which was themysterious island.
I still remember all of thenames to them, but anyway.
So, yeah, I loved dinosaur, didyou?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
see 13.
Is the answer 13?
Okay, yeah, that's what I wasthinking.
Well, okay, so the successspawned an additional 13 direct
to video musical sequels sothere was actually 14.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, interesting, wow.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, I will probably pass on watching those ali's
gonna start a podcast where shereviews each and every Land
Before Time.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Mary Sucks killed the Land Before Time.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm just kidding, anyways.
But yeah, so I loved dinosaurs.
Growing up I had a bunch ofbooks that had dinosaurs in them
.
I was obsessed, and my parentsmy mom especially likes to brag
that before I turned four I knewall of the dinosaurs' names in
Jurassic Park and then by thetime I was four I had the entire
movie memorized.
So yeah, I was obsessed.
So Jurassic Park has been myfavorite movie literally since I
was three.
The Lost World.

(10:12):
So and this is where I let themknow ahead of time my feelings
on a lost world are completelyirrational.
They don't really make sense,if I'm being perfectly honest.
But I I had a weird thing as akid where I couldn't stand
sequels that didn't have themajority of the main cast in it.
And so I think that is where alarge part of my aversion to the
Lost World kind of started.

(10:33):
Was that, for one, I didn't?
No offense to Malcolm.
I didn't care about him as akid, like he was not the kid you
know I didn't care about,because he was the mathematician
, if I'm not mistaken.
I cared about paleontologistsand the botanists.
I thought they were the ones.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And I think that's why the true heroes of science
and dinosaurs, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I think that's what it is, because I loved science
as a kid.
Oh my God, this is making somuch sense.
But yeah, so I think, andthat's also why I prefer
Jurassic Park 3 over the LostWorld, which that is another
kind of.
It's a little spicy to somepeople yeah, it is, and I, and
again ash's, ash's face.
I'm sorry, this is yourstatement.
I will not interrupt yeah, yeah,so, anyway, so, yeah.

(11:13):
So I don't remember the firsttime I watched the lost world.
I just remember watching it asa kid and absolutely just really
disliking it absolutely notyeah, nope, I think I've seen it
three or four times maybe in mylife but I yeah, I'm not a fan
okay, well, before, before wedive any further into into maybe
, rewatches and stuff of thatnature, yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Like lost world seems to be kind of like meh to a lot
of people and then.
But then jurassic park 3 isvery divisive very divisive like
some.
Some people are like actuallylike prefer that one over over,
like lost world and like thelost jurassic world sequels that
have come out.
And some people like are likealley, which is like absolutely
not.
So, ash, are you I'm assumingyou're the side that's just
burning with fire?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
ah, I think, I think nostalgia holds a massive place
because it's sam neill, that isthe you know.
When he, when he came, when hewas announced to come back for
the last movie, dominion, I waslike, yeah, I'm gonna watch this
, this is gonna, this is great.
Yeah, and that film wasshocking, by the way, that was
awful.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
But it was so bad it was.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
It was horrendous.
I don't know who, I don't knowwhat they were thinking.
It was like a comedy sketch attimes.
But anyway, jurassic park three.
I remember enjoying it at thetime.
But then you know, afterlooking back at the three movies
, I was actually the worst oneand it wasn't great.
And I think again, you knowyou're using the character of
grant to sell tickets and thisisland of a situation which is
very domestic, nothingscientific about it.

(12:32):
It's like a family affair withwilliam h macy, who is great in
the movie.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
But yeah, absolutely the elements of of a jurassic
park movie are very much notjust the action and the
dinosaurs, but it's also a lotof theoretical man versus nature
, man versus science kind ofdiscussion that are going on.
That's very prevalent in thefirst two.
The third one is just straightup like action adventure, like
it's a rescue story, and thenit's very much like a roller
coaster dinosaur ride.
Personally, I actually likeJurassic Park 3.

(12:59):
I don't mind that it's just anadventure thing.
I kind of like the idea of likelet's just an adventure thing.
I kind of like the idea of likelet's just have these separate
little side adventures of peoplebeing dumb enough to go on the
island yeah but, but I can getwhere it's like.
Well, it's not the essence ofwhat jurassic park's exactly
needed to be done.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
It needs to be done and I'm glad they did it as well
, like it's a good way of doingit.
It's just they wasted a moviewith sam neill and they could
have exploited him better in adifferent.
Yeah, they could have used himbetter, but anyway we'll get
like the malcolm character.
By the way, he is a ki titian,so technically he is a scientist
oh there you go well, pardonmoi then again, I agree with ali
.

(13:32):
I actually I prefer thecharacter of alan grine.
I love him.
He's he's my favorite characterand that was the big thing
missing from the second moviefor me.
But you have the role withanother og, which is malcolm,
because they, you know, you'rethree ogs, four ogs, I guess, so
you've got two out of the fourin the movie.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So sure, not bad, it's not bad, yeah before we
start really picking it apart, Ijust want to give a quick
rundown of our useless criticsstats so that we can kind of
compare and contrast a littlebit here.
Okay, so the original jurassicpark rotten tomatoes gives it a
92 from critics.
Imdb it sits at 8.2.
Metacritic gives it a 68.
They're pretty harsh.

(14:07):
Fan frans gave it 8.8.
Letterbox it sits at 4.1.
Now, uh, for jurassic park, forindividual choices, we have
ally with a five of five, yes,ash with a five of five and
weirdly, I have a four out offive.
I don't know, I don't know.
Maybe, maybe it's time for arewatch for Jurassic park.
It's been a couple of yearssince I watched it, but I don't

(14:29):
hate it.
I don't disagree with it.
I think it just didn't have thesame not watching it when it
came out immediately, and then,uh, yeah, not being allowed to
watch it Cause I was watch starwars, was allowed to watch
indiana jones.
That has tons of scary crazymature themes and stuff.
But then jurassic park was like,yeah, it's a little scary,
let's, let's keep, let's wait,let's hold on.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's scary, though, jurassic park like the opening
scene the credit.
Oh, it's very scary, for surefor sure um ebert, gave it three
stars yep so not bad.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Not bad, he definitely was praising it.
We won't dive too far intoebert, because then we'll just
get on to a rants about evertschoices and stuff.
But uh, in comparison, the uhsequel lost world has a rotten
tomatoes critic score of 53percent.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's really not that bad it's not terrible, yeah, but
it's not, it's not superrespectful yeah yeah

Speaker 1 (15:16):
um, imdb, it sits at 6.6, which is, I feel, fair.
Uh, metacritic was actuallybetter at 59.
And then letterbox gives it a3.1 out of5.
So it's not hateable, it's moremiddling of the road for a lot
of people.
Ash, you give it a 4 out of 5.
Alley, it sits at 2.5 out of 5and after my rewatch the other
day, I give it a 3.5.

(15:37):
I feel it's pretty.
I feel it's pretty solid.
To be honest with you, rogerebert, however, gave it two
stars, so he was not as enthusedabout the Jurassic Park sequel.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Oh man Interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Honestly.
So, yeah, we have the criticstheir thoughts and I think
really what that helps is itgives us a really like nice zoom
in on like what people werethinking at the time that it
came out and stuff.
And sometimes, like we've seen,critics disagree with audiences
.
Audiences can love somethingthat the critics hate, but I do
think there was a generalconsensus of like, well, this
isn't as good as jurassic park,and they had it and, and a lot

(16:11):
of people maybe felt that therewere flaws and stuff, like you
guys were talking about like thefavorite cast.
People didn't come back.
Jeff goldblum was back, but, uh, maybe not enough to pull
people in, maybe the moviewasn't as dynamic as the
original, but yeah, so this isthe moment, this is uh, ash, I'm
gonna start with you.
So you, you tell me in defenseof the sequel, ash, why do you
feel that lost world needs to begiven its due?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I just want to start off by saying that jurassic park
is, of course, the better film.
I just want to say that rightoff the bat, that film
single-handedly made dinosaurscool and relevant again.
So I am going to say that filmis the best film.
But, like I said, whatever thesequel was going to be to that
movie, I assure you wasdefinitely going to be a failure
in some light or fall.
Commercial critical cultureyeah right, no matter what.

(16:56):
But if you look at it as asingle movie, like I said before
, the film isn't bad, just likeindiana jones isn't that bad.
It's the problem withattachments when you have
original movies and sequels,because you have sequels to
everything and you're going tohave this problem with Gladiator
, with Ocean's Eleven, with anyfilm that's going to be remade,
which eventually every film will.
They're talking about Speed 3at the moment, which is great,
but again you're going to havethese same problems.

(17:17):
It's attachments andexpectations the audience gains
from prior movies and you justcan't replicate the origin.
You can only really expand onit and it's a losing battle.
So you have to look at the filmvery differently and the only
real reason why you make sequelsfor the business is for money,
but for audiences, to keep thatdream alive, to keep these
characters going, to keep youknow that you know their lives

(17:38):
to continue in a differentadventure, and I think the lost
world does that and I just don'tthink it gets its due credit.
And it's Steven Spielberg again, and it is a.
Crichton book.
So they're not doing anything.
The first one didn't.
And if you look at the novel, Imean the Lost World actually
sticks more to the novel thanJurassic Park did.
So if you separate, you know,if you just get rid of Jurassic

(18:02):
Park and you start the movie asa whole, it's still a very good
movie.
And I think I just we talk aboutcharacters.
I love sam neill.
I mean he looks like.
He looks like the grounded man,nothing explosive about him in
terms of muscle looks orcharisma, just your everyday man
.
And steven spielberg does thisall the time with his movies.
He casts everyday guys like royschneider in jaws or sam neill
in this movie, or liam neeson inscheider's schindler's list or
richard dreyfus in clones,account close encounters.
But when he doesounters, butwhen he does catch an action

(18:25):
star, they're usually playinglike a coward, like Tom Cruise
in War of the Worlds.
And what this allows is sort ofto focus, you know, put the
focus through the audience eyesof a relatable protagonist.
Which is why you have two sidesof the story here with Jeff
Goldblum and Sam Neill, becauseyou have a very good looking,
charming man leading this movieand the timing is everything
charming man leading this movieand the timing is everything,

(18:46):
because you had two sides of the90s which I think we discussed
in godzilla, like.
You've got the very grittyearly 90s, then you've got the
mtv second half of the 90s andboth films sort of fall either
side of it, and I think you needthey.
It just happened to be that badtiming and it needed more sex.
Yes, and that's that's.
That's exactly what it was.
You had jeff goldblum, the, theman you know, all in black sexy
doesn't play the action star.

(19:07):
He doesn't play the action starin this movie.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
No no.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think, jeff Goldblum, that's a good
discussion point, because Ithink in the first movie it's
kind of in a weird way, theJohnny Depp effect like the Jack
Sparrow effect, because in thefirst movie.
He's free to be the freewheelingyou know doesn't have to have
true moral standing, he has anarc of his own in the movie but
he's allowed to have the quips,the one liners that makes him
one of the popular characters.

(19:31):
You know, grant and them arethe ones that are having to be
the straight laced, like what'shappening.
We got to get through this.
So for me I think what wasinteresting at least growing up,
was kind of seeing JeffGoldblum, the Malcolm of
Jurassic lost world, and kind ofbeing almost feeling like it
was a separate character to anextent.
Um, but I think it rewatch, Ithink what.
What you have to consider islike this man just went through

(19:52):
a traumatic event four yearsprior and now I think that there
was like a growing up that wasgoing on with that and we're
catching and they do like it'sit's four years after the
incident in the storyline.
So I think you're dealing witha guy who's aged a bit, grown up
a little bit, realizes that histhoughts and theories were kind
of wrong but also kind of rightin different ways, like he
talks with RichardAttenborough's character, but I

(20:14):
think he's also like him havinga daughter.
Him, it's him kind of coming toterms with his past while also
dealing with, like trying to belike the modern version of
himself, and that's somethingthat I just picked out on this
rewatch a little bit.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But I think I'm not the only one that kind of felt
that way, like al you kind ofwere feeling the similar kind of
thoughts yeah, but you know,honestly, it's a valid point
that he just went through areally traumatizing experience,
um, where he he legitimatelyalmost died multiple times um,
very violently, and and so itdoes kind of make sense that he,
his personality, might changeand his values and his morals
would all change.

(20:46):
But yeah, that was one issuethat I had was that it felt like
two completely differentcharacters.
But that does that's valid.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, now he.
But it's the thing, it's thejack spears.
Now you're in the lead role andyou have to like make decisions
and like do a lot of like theheroic things.
And there's plenty of jeffgoldblum isms.
There's plenty of in Malcolm.
This like yeah, the first youknow 30 minutes of the movie.
He's trying to convinceeveryone.
No, no, get off the island,julian Moore, get off the island
, sarah, we gotta go but this isthe good thing, this is.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
This is another reason why I like, uh, this
movie as well, and just sort ofto go off the jeff goldblum
thing, because this is the onlysequel he's really done besides
the indiana jones movie.
Right, you've got jeff goldblum.
He's a good looking, charmingman who's at the top of his game
.
He's just come off independenceday, so he is the biggest star
and you could argue he was thebiggest star in the first movie
too, because I would say morepeople knew him from the fly
than Sam Neill did, so he wasn'tthe main character.

(21:37):
Now, obviously, you're in 1997,you're doing a sequel, You've
got him as the leading man andyou know and it does back it up
because Jurassic Park 3 wasactually a critically financial
disaster and this one wasn't.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So it does back up Jeff Goldblum.
Jeff Goldblum was probably thebetter pick as the lead actor.
To touch on what you weresaying, it grossed $72 million
domestically that week at itsopening weekend which was at
that time the biggest openingweekend gross in history.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's funny because it broke the record set by Batman
Forever, but Forever broke therecord of Jurassic Park which in
turn took it from BatmanReturns.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh my gosh, this whole back and forth.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
How dare they, the bat and the T-Rex just going at
it the entire?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
time.
It's so funny that Batmanmanforever was the biggest.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well, I think that's at one point there was so much
hype around those and I thinkthat's the thing is like we
don't think of those movies aslike greatest of all time, but I
think the hype behind lostworld forever returns.
There was some of those justdidn't have the legs of their
originals or their predecessorsthat's fair well, that's.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's a very good analogy.
I mean, the lost world isbasically the batman forever 2d
batman that tim burton did, inmy opinion.
That's how I see it, becauseit's more colorful, it's more
mtv.
Then you've got the grittystyle of tim burton.
I think it's actually quite aaccurate comparison, because
they sort of both came outaround about the same time.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think the other thing to think about with
jurassic park is that, while itdid have this kind of like thing
about the dinosaurs and like alot of, there's a lot of
science-y lingo discussion goingon, like the story itself is
very self-contained.
It's like we're at a park.
The park has gone wrong.
It's a horror movie it's aslasher horror movie just with a
Spielberg sheen to it.
You know.
And then you know Lost Worldgoes.

(23:13):
We're going to open the sandbox, we're going to talk about like
engine coming in and all thesepolitics and stuff.
And then they kind of went theopposite way with jurassic park
three, where we're like no,we're gonna lead into the horror
adventure of it all yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I think that lost world did maintain some of the
horror aspects, because I meanthey kill a child within the
first 10 minutes, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
That does not happen, which is camilla bella it is if
anybody recognizes her, she't ahuge superstar but she kind of
was like one of the it girls ofthe late to early 2000s and
stuff.
Some people will remember heras a girl from practical magic,
10,000 BC push later on.
Uh, she was also in a horrormovie called when a stranger
stranger calls which terrifiedme like none other when I

(23:51):
watched it.
And then, uh, she was also in ALittle Princess, which came out
prior to this, which is alsowhat actress I need to find her
name, vanessa Chester, who playsMalcolm's daughter.
She was in that movie andthat's actually where Spielberg
saw her Interesting On the redcarpet.
I guess afterwards was like Iwant to put you in one of my
movies.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's cool, so that's pretty sweet.
Yeah, that's neat.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
But yeah, very intense opening of a movie.
It wasn't like we saw it onscreen, but again, it's the.
It's the illusion of the mind,like we're painting the scene in
our heads of, like this girl'sbeen torn apart and she's not
the only one to be eaten by thecopies in the movie either.
Surprise, forgot about PeterStormar being in this movie, but
he gets the worst end of it.
Would you rather here's a greatquestion Would you rather be

(24:35):
eaten by copies like that, wherethousands of little things are
tearing you to pieces?
Or do you just want to go theway that poor Eddie did, where
it's just quick and you're tornin two and it's done?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I would imagine the latter to the former, yeah, the
latter for sure, the idea ofbeing pulled apart, because that
would be a really slow death,that would not be a quick one
because their mouths are notthat big so so I mean, they're
just taking chunks out.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It takes a lot of them to like kill him off
eventually.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
No, just hit it over, or you know yeah, bitten in
half by that one guy in thefirst stage and everyone while
you're doing it.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
So yeah, I guess you get a bit more dignified.
Yeah, probably the the latterif I had to choose, but yeah and
speaking so.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
So, speaking of deaths, not to get off too far
on a tangent, we'll come backaround, but so we've got
somebody that gets torn in half.
We got girl and guy that getyou in the life of the copies.
The velociraptors, raptors, dotheir thing.
The t-rex is doing their thingwith multiple people.
Yeah, um, but on the boat, andmaybe I missed it this time
around.
But like, the boat shows up atthe end of the movie, yes, and
it's, it's empty.
All the people are dead.

(25:31):
Yes, did I miss a part?
Is it that the velociraptorsgot on the boat or did the t?
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
t-rex get loose.
So that is one of the biggestflaws in movie history.
And what happened is you canactually find the scene in the
dvd, um extras, um, if you buyit.
So they were running out oftime, spielberg, and spielberg
was actually having a nightmarewith this film, and there is a
scene that they cut out on thecutting room floor where the
velociraptors, while docking theislands, had killed the crew

(25:57):
and it just it left, and theywere actually on board as well,
which is why there was freshblood on there and apparently a
few velociraptors ran into la,but you never saw that the focus
had to be on the t-rex was justlike the focus is on the t-rex
because the velociraptor in la.
There's just too many things todo.
We need something big and focuson one thing.
And that was very messy and headmitted that when, um, he did

(26:18):
the commentary as well and it'squite a big flaw and it does get
mentioned a lot when peopletalk about the second movie, um.
But I think you just got totake it for head value, just
wait for the t-rex to come andjust realize that something is
going to go wrong.
But yeah, it's a big flaw.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I do agree, um because I feel like I don't know
if there was a line that wasmade up to fix it or anything,
but because I was in there goinglike did the velociraptors like
chow down and then just jumpship, or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I mean pirates now exactly, and it's not
technically a flaw, I mean, it'ssort of left up to the
imagination, which is whatSpielberg could only do, because
they had to leave that sceneout, because it was just going
on too long and long.
They wanted to get to the sceneat the end, so it was because
there was time.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, I didn't, don't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, there's so much going on and in the and I guess
spielberg added it like the thewhole san diego scene at the
end, which I I liked that Ithought it was fun, like.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I think that's just a natural conclusion is to
finally get the dinosaurs onmainland, and I had I had a lot
of fun with the t-rex wanderingaround and I think that's a very
good choice, because it tookthe new franchise a whole three
movies to actually get to thatpart, and spielberg did it in
two movies, and that's again whyI defend the second movie,
because he actually found astory capable of getting there
instead of building up, and thethird one was awful.

(27:31):
Dominion was awful and itdidn't work, and less is more.
You only got 10 minutes and netover T-Rex.
So let's see what you can dowith that.
And it was a good scene.
I mean, yeah, you kind of wantmore, but I mean it got to its
point and it was good enough.
But I think and that's whatSpielberg is so good at Like
with Jaws you only see the sharka handful of times.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
The T-Rex, you don't really see.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You don't even see the, and I love that.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I love that that was something one of the writers.
He said that he had a fan noteposted while he was writing the
script because, like, a fanwrote a letter saying like
complaining that they didn't seedinosaurs for like an hour.
They're like please hurry upand get the dinosaurs in the
movie what that's.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I agree with Ash on that.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
No, I think this is where this is where Ali's
correct, correct jurassic parkis the better story, the better
film, the best film for, likeI'd say, cinephiles, um, but if
you do, and for the new gen,especially like the generation,
I'm talking anyone born past1997, they will probably prefer
the lost world.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, 100, unfortunately though, and just
just to cut it back, I couldtell ali wanted to perk up about
something about san diego.
Now, this is your beloved sandiego, ali.
I know well and okay, againirrational totally.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I and and for the record, I Allie wanted to perk
up about something about SanDiego.
Now, this is your beloved SanDiego, allie.
I know Well and okay, again,irrational.
Totally, and for the record, Idon't think the lost world, the
lost world, is no longer myleast favorite of the Jurassic
series.
Dominion has taken thatdishonor.
But yeah, it's, I don't knowthere's.
I also get frustrated.
Again, irrational.

(28:57):
I also get frustrated when theyportray places and it's just
not portrayed correctly if thatmakes sense, so like, example,
independence Day in thebeginning, when they're going to
, when the aliens first arrive.
they're going to differentplaces in the world to show
where it's at.
They go to my hometown and Isay that in quotes Imperial
Valley, except everybody livesin trailers and they don't have

(29:19):
any running water.
And it's just this very oldschool view of where I'm from,
because that is how a lot ofpeople view where I'm from.
So it's stuff like that whereI'm like that's not how the
valley is at all.
And so San Diego, I don't knowman, it just wasn't quite up to.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It wasn't a proper portrayal.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, I don't know I.
Yeah, that is good that you'redefending that.
I like that because that is ahonorable thing to, because I
would be annoyed if someone tookbasin stoke, for instance.
God forbid if everyone did afilm here and get it wrong.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Because, yeah yeah, I just yeah.
And then also it kind of kindof stabbed me in the heart
because they mentioned the sandiego chargers and I was like
dang it.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I was going to say did you feel a little sting when
you brought that up?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I wrote it down.
I wrote down RIP the San DiegoChargers.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I have no argument for that.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, it's just.
It was more of an observationthan it is a criticism because,
to give a back story, if youdon't watch football, the San
Diego Chargers were literallyI'm not going to call them what
they are now, but they wereliterally in san diego for like
since, like 1955, and then theymoved to la and it's just really
annoying and anyway I'm a fanof them again, but just the fact
that it really did take, takelike six or seven years anyways

(30:31):
well, I think, yeah, that's areally good point, though, ali,
like another great example Ithought of was when they filmed,
uh, moon knight and they were

Speaker 1 (30:38):
portray Egypt and the director, who's from Egypt
himself, was very much like,went out of his way to be like
no, egypt is a bustling, likecity space.
It's not what people areconstant.
It's not like 1917, where it'sjust the pyramids and a lot of
third world country kind ofstuff going on.
Like he was like I want torepresent proper Egypt.
So I mean we're learning now,especially like you can't just

(30:59):
insert you know canadian city,toronto, because it's cheap to
film you know, like ala jasontakes manhattan.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I mean this is a very good point actually, because
yeah, okay, you get to hoodwink99 of the people who don't live
there and won't notice it.
Fair enough, and that's howthey'll look at it.
But that one percent will knowabout it and that one percent
will start to, you know, squeezeand tell people about it.
And I watched A Quiet Place thenew one recently at the cinemas
and it's all based in New York,right?
So if you've seen the trailer,you know it's in New York.

(31:25):
However, it's not in New Yorkand they do such a good job of
hiding it and it's so blatantit's shot in England and you can
tell it's shot in england.
But and you can, and they do itvery you know how they shoot in
a dark so they don't have to dotoo much blood sequences.
It's the same thing yeah themovie's fantastic.
By the way, I think it's a greatmovie but, like alley, the

(31:47):
location ruined it for me.
Like the location of that, Iknew it wasn't new york.
I knew they got someestablishing shots at the top of
the buildings that was probablynew york with a helicopter, but
when they were on the groundthey weren't in new york okay,
that's interesting yeah, thatruined it for me, but it's a
great film if you haven't seenit, by the way for sure, for
sure.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Now, the other note I will say really quickly we've
been on this tangent is that Iwould also pay money to watch a
like a sidequel or something oflost world.
Where were the people on theboat?
And the velociraptors jump onand it's like that.
It's kind of like voyeur lastvoyage of the demeter, where
we're just finding out whathappened to all the people on
the boat yeah and maybe that'sthe thing is they're sitting
there going like, look, we'reheading to san diego if these

(32:25):
velociraptors get out, we're allscrewed.
So, like we gotta, we gotta dosomething.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The t-rex they can handle oh, yeah, the
velociraptors, but they're toosmart that would be interesting.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's a great idea, and they could use the hunter as
well on the boat.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, so wait so yeah , speaking of roland, I think
roland timbo is one of myfavorite characters in the
franchise, like by a long shot agood character, isn't he?
And peter possibly does such agood job okay, yeah um, but and
it's, it's.
He's just like the great whitehunter is what spielberg kind of
described him as, because hewanted someone with great

(32:59):
presence and that's why they gotpete to do it.
Uh, and yeah, I just think he,like he does, it's such an
interesting character to insertinto the world because it's like
all he's.
He's even straight up says he'slike I'm not about the money, I
just want a chance to hunt thetyrannosaurus rex, like it's the
last you and that tells youeverything you need to know
about this guy's like he'shunted everything yeah and I
think that's like really goodwriting.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like, with good writing, you can tell everything
about a character, and I thinksteven spielberg said that was
one of his favorite actors aswell.
And I think, just go on theargument here.
I think the lost world offers alot of fantastic supporting
characters, like the late petepostle's weight, julianne moore,
vince vaughn you know all starsthat later become massive in
the next decade and what, yeah,what, and what pete possum does?

(33:38):
He's, I think roger ebertactually said he was the only
good thing about that film, um,which is really annoying, but
you know somewhat, true, but youknow you got jeff.
You know jeff brings the oneline as a sarcastic.
You know he anchors into theabsurdity of the film, kind of
like sam neill does.
But um, he is the big whitehunter and he does take the lead
and he does lead the charge.
You've got like five maincharacters here and even you

(33:59):
know when peter storman's, likeyou know, squaring up, he's not
squaring up with vince vaughn,he's squaring up.
He's not squaring up with jeffgoldblum, sorry, he's squaring
up with vince vaughn.
And vince vaughn is the one thatsaves um kelly, his daughter,
from the water pool, not jeffgoldblum yes, and this is what I
like about the lost world, thisexperimental main protagonist
because jeff goldblum is us,he's the audience, he's not
being a hero, he's watchingeverything.

(34:21):
He there's not one hint of himbeing actually quite heroic in
this movie.
He's kind of like he's justthere, everything heroic that
happens vince vaughn does, orpete postlethwaite does, or
someone else does that's areally good point.
That is a really good pointdecided to do that, whereas sam
neill is the hero in the firstmovie and I like the
experimentation in the lostworld because actually that
actually becomes relevant in the2010 decades where you have a

(34:42):
main character, but the maincharacter is actually the
supporting character who doesall the legwork, and you just
have the brad pitt character inglorious bastards, whereas
everyone else is doing a heavylifting so it's a static
character is often what'sreferred to as yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
it's interesting that he went with that choice
because, because you can,there's plenty of movies that
I've thought of as well.
Like, like public enemies iswhen I think of a lot where
christian bale's character,who's the hunting down johnny
depp's criminal, is a lot of hisaction and stuff is given to
these other characters thatreally don't have a lot of
screen time.
But michael mann was more aboutbeing accurate, I guess, than
he was about telling a properstory, because there's so many

(35:15):
moments where, like he defends,uh, johnny depp's girlfriend,
who and punt, and the friendpunches the guy who's
intimidating her or something,and I'm like that would have
been so much better if he didthat.
Or like at the end, when he'sinterviewing her and saying,
giving her the news that johnnydepp's dead spoiler, sorry, but
you know it's public enemies,what do you think was going to
happen?
But like he's christian bill isthe one that delivers the news.

(35:36):
So I do think it's interestingthat Spielberg chose to let him
be more the observer and justmore kind of trying to survive.
Because, you're right, I'mtrying to think of even a moment
where he makes a major decision, but most of the time it's him
agreeing with Julianne Moore,sarah Harding we got to get the
baby T-Rex to lure him off ofSan Diego or it's like Vince

(35:59):
Vaughn's Nick character, likehelping sabotage all the stuff
the engine's trying to do oncethey catch the dinosaurs so
that's, and he literally is theone that saves Kelly and Sarah
from the T-Rex and the water,and then he just runs in after
and he goes, thank you, and Ilove that and that is clever,
very ahead of thinking StevenSpielberg direction.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Love it ahead of his time.
And he did it in this movie,not the first movie, this movie.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I will argue a little bit, I'll push it back a little
bit against that.
I do think that Goldblum'scharacter had an arc in the
first movie.
In this one I don't know whatthat arc 100% is.
Like I said, it's him balancinghis old past of being a
womanizer star scientist to betrying to be like family man now
.
But I do think he needed amoment of action, of heroism,

(36:43):
whether like just it doesn't.
He doesn't have to solve allthe problems.
We don't need to marry, sue himor whatever, but we need to
like.
He needed a moment to kind ofshow like his character going
through something or learningsomething, or at least just
being heroic.
I think yeah, that's just mypersonal take, but I get what,
where you're coming from, whereit's like it's interesting to
let, because there are plenty ofmovies where the main character
is the only one that gets to doanything.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yes, the John Cena of movies it's just like he has to
be the one that goes over.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Nobody else can look good and so you're just like,
well, okay.
So I do appreciate that, but Icould have helped alleviate some
of those concerns that peoplehad for sure.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Then, equally, sam Neill does nothing in the first
movie.
He just protects the children.
But I think that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
If he's not there, he doesn't help the kids, they
don't get out of the car, theydon't climb over everything.
There is a purpose in terms ofthe adventure.
He's the warning.
He's like the horror version ofthe Harbinger.
He's just like we gotta get offthe island, the bad things are
coming.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
and then, yeah, he's kind of long through the road
say that again.
He's like the guy you trust tofollow, and that's it you're not
expecting him to punch someonein the face or get in a fight or
, you know, do something likethat.
I mean, I guess sam neill witha flare.
I think that's very heroic yeah, I think, yeah, he take, yeah,
that moment there was hilarious,like loved it, absolutely one
of my favorite scenes so goodgrabs a flare, moves and then,

(38:00):
malcolm, you know, just runs,just runs away.
Yes, both contribute into it.
But, sam neill, you bothcharacters, one's soft and
focused, the other one's likeright, jittery, talks a lot, you
know, and that's the sort ofmoment where the character
becomes someone else.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, for sure yeah, yeah, um no, I, I will say there
.
So this I don't mean to likeshift or anything but one thing
that I thought was interesting.
So, as my friends all know, I'ma huge fan of john williams who
scored who scored jurassic park.
Well, while I was watching, Iwas like this sounds like like
john williams because he has avery distinct style, but I
wasn't recognizing anything fromthe first movie and I was like

(38:35):
did he?
was he the one that scored this?
And I looked it up and Ithought it was really
interesting that he useddifferent motifs and I don't
believe he really yeah, he usedcomplete, which is very unusual
for sequels especially that issomething I didn't really notice
the music in this one.
Yeah, no because, yeah, well, I,I will, I love, I love johnny w
, but um I do feel like jurassicpark is the better one because

(38:57):
it's just the score is so much,I don't know, it's just so much
grander.
However, in the lost world, itit felt I don't know.
I don't know how it made me feel, if I'm being honest, but yeah,
but that was one thing thatreally confused me, but I
thought it was a reallyinteresting artistic touch.
That um is pretty ballsy forlike, like lack of a better term
.
Yeah, yeah, no, I completelyagree.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I completely agree with what ali said.
I think they had a conversation.
John williams and stevenspielberg, um, and john williams
did it.
It's like, well, we can'treplicate the first movie
because that's just so iconic.
Um, but what they did was,because it's in the jungle, they
added bongo drums to the scoreand then that sort of became the
sort of main base of the score.
But they try to keep out the.
You know, the do do like.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
You had it at the opening, the helicopter scene
and at the end, and I think youget it when you have Richard
Attenborough speak at the end,but that's it.
But the movie is one actionfest.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
You don't really slow down after they, you know,
while they're in there that'strue, right, yeah, and it does a
pretty good job.
And then Injun arrives, andthen the herding of the
dinosaurs.
Everything just goes rightafter.
Because in my mind I was like Ithink it takes them a while to
get there and I was like, no,it's only 30 minutes.
Yeah, it's not very long Act,one is done.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
And we're deep into that, and you don't move away
from that island.
You stay in there until you getto LA.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You brought up John Hammond, one thing that I movies
, and seems like 90s movies didthis so well.
I missed when movies could dolike tv show stuff or new stuff
accurately like.
Now you watch a movie and likeit's clearly like, yes, it's all
the stuff that you're watchingon the show in this movie and
others is like yes, it'spre-recorded, it's made for this
movie but it felt like it wasyou were watching cnn or

(40:32):
watching oh yeah something ofthat nature.
Nowadays it's like, I don't know.
I don't know if it's a brandingthing where they're like well,
we don't want to pay for thatright or whatever, but it's
always like, clearly like thisis not.
But it doesn't even look like atv we're watching and maybe
that's just the digital ageshifting and we're going from
like the box tube tvs to thisnow.
But just one thing I noticed Iwas like I miss when tv looked
like tv and movies that's fairno, I think that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
To be fair, I mean, yeah, we go about the it's the
generation thing as well, I meanlost world sort of a thing.
When I'll go back to what Isaid earlier, like the first
time I watched it was ontelevision, um, and you have
that scene at the end whererichard hanman's talking on the
television about, you know, thelost world and it looks
authentic, it looks, you know,it's crispy, it's like watching

(41:15):
gilmore girls and you can tell Ijust love, I just love how it's
shot, because it's old, not old, but it's just right.
And then you watch the newepisodes that they shot recently
and I'm like I don't like itbecause it's shot recently.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
that's fair.
Yeah, I know, exactly what youmean.
It's part of the whole I thinkit.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, it's part of the the conversation corey and
I've had a lot of time aboutsequels that are delayed.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
There's a reason we had.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Home Alone 1 and 2 and then the rest or whatever,
adam's Family 1 and 2, and theyhad stuff that came out too late
.
What people don't consider isthe team that made those movies
is not there anymore and timehas shifted.
So are we now in the digitalera, are we now shifting from
film and stuff, and so it's notgoing to look.
Your nostalgia, your red tintedglasses and stuff are not going

(42:00):
to feel the same way you dobecause it wasn't made in that
same time and frame yeah that'sthe thing, though.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
I mean, yeah, top gun got it right from the 80s, and
that's probably just one example.
I mean it's very hard to keepthat you've got how, even if you
have the right producers, theright movie star.
I mean, I watched beverly hillscop, and that that didn't
actually do that well to holdthe nostalgia.
It was actually.
I didn't like it.
It was great to see axel foleyback, but it was, it was bad.
But then when I watchedMaverick, it worked.

(42:28):
It held on to that and I don'tI don't know why it wasn't due
to the quality of how it shot.
It was more well.
I felt the story, I was closeto it.
So again, I don't know what youknow, some films resonate with
you and some don't.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I think Maverick doesn't adhere as much to like
the nostalgia, the legacy sequel, pat Pratt Falls, you know
where.
It's like we have to have thischaracter and like, yes,
iceman's in there, it's, it'sabout Maverick himself and stuff
, but it's not, it's not goingout of its way to be like we
gotta get a shot of this or hey,remember that scene, we gotta
do that again or anything ofthat nature.
I feel like it was more aboutwe're pushing forward filmmaking

(43:00):
because, like the way they shotthe jet fighter sequences and
stuff, it wasn't afraid to likejust move forward yeah, I agree
I think yeah, sorry, go aheadsorry oh, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I think that was one thing I also was a little
frustrated with when re-watchingthe lost world is.
There was a lot of callbacksand a lot of repeated quotes
from the first one that Inoticed um, I can't think of any
right now like as an example.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I thought it was like subtle enough was when uh ian
malcolm was referenced like doesanybody, did anybody bring like
lamb's blood or something, orsomething like that that was
fine, but there were a couplewhere I don't know there was.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
There were just a couple of them where I was like,
okay, we don't, we get it.
We, this is the sequel.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I understand, but um, yeah, I just I felt like there
were a lot of callbacks to thefirst one one thing I will
notice is to speak on legacysequels as well, and that's
maybe it's just because lostworld didn't do as well as you
know the original movie oranything.
It's like I'm surprised that inthe jurassic world movies that
they didn't bring back or try tobring back the vince vaughn and
julianne moore type charactersand stuff like yeah, I don't

(44:01):
even know, uh, what's her name?
The, the daughter?
Uh, vanessa chester's character, kelly, doesn't he?
I don't think she even makes anappearance in the sequels at
all.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I could be completely wrong, but it's not noteworthy,
at least, no, I don't think so.
They're completely newcharacters.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, and like when you've built such a world with,
like the Engine Corporation andstuff, like it's weird that they
didn't think like hey, let'sbring back a Nick Van Owen,
let's bring back a Sarah Harding, and just implement.
And I think that's the sameproblem Star Wars and Jurassic
World had, which was like no,it's the main three, they're
holy, they're sanctimonious, wecannot adjust from that.

(44:33):
It's against the rules, kind ofthing.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, and I think that's where Jurassic World
Dominion especially failed wasbringing the original three back
and trying to hook on to thatnostalgia of like eh, you
recognize these characters,except the writers completely
lost who those characters wereand like there's literally I
almost walked out of the theater.
I legitimately was, so I was soangry when I watched it.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I was stuck in a plane so I just was like I'm
just going to ride this baby out.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
There's literally one point where Sam Neill is asking
Laura Dern, oh, I didn't ortalking with her about keeping
in touch with Malcolm, and shesays yeah he slid into my dms
and I'm just, and that that wasthe moment I was like I might
actually have to walk out of thetheater.
It was just.
It was so unlike Dr Sattler, itwas so like who's I don't know,
it was just.

(45:21):
That was one of the biggestfailures, in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I know that we have friends who really really like
that movie and I'm sorry you doyes they will not be named on
the recording yeah, I don't knowwho you are, but oh, my word,
it is bad.
Like yeah, the dialogue wasawful and you're you're dragging
og characters through the mudwith this dialogue, with this

(45:45):
comedy sketch, where they'relike trying to break the locust
out, and I was watching justthese two characters like what
have you done to these twocharacters like you've?
you've put them to shame andthen, yeah, I was like what this
is the thing with, like makingsequels and trying to.
They're making films for thewrong reasons and I think
they're doing it right now.
To answer your earlier question, nick, I think it's good that

(46:05):
they left nick van owen out,because again, that would be
another character they have theopportunity to drag through the
mud.
I'm glad they should haverather done it for him than Sam
Neill.
I mean Sam Neill, poor guy.
First movie, yes, but then thethird movie and then Dominion,
oh my god we're also talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
The problem with legacy sequels is that you're
talking about movies that arebeing made now and like in the
past 10 years, and these actorshave aged 30 years, yeah, and so
like they can't, like thebelievability of them do it,
running from the dinosaurs andstuff in their late 60s and
early 70s just doesn't makesense yeah absolutely they I.
It's the same thing with starwars, ghost busters and all of
them.
It's like I'm glad to see theseactors, yeah, but I would

(46:43):
rather them play supportingroles and we get you know more
activity from the new players inthe story exactly exactly, and
this is the thing this is.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
This is one of the.
This is the big reason whyeveryone hated indiana jones 4.
It was one of the first everlegacy sequels to come into our
hands and eyes and people didn'tknow what to do, and it was
because it looked too new.
It was way too new.
You didn't have that rusticquality it had in 1990.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
The last one, that was leaning on the cgi yeah
automatically you're gonna hateit.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Of course you are, but it's just, it's like
watching gilmore girls now andwatching, you know, alexa bedell
in, you know, on her iphone.
It's just, you can't know, Ican't, I can't see that it
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I love that we're using gilmore girls as a.
You guys are bonding on it.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I was about to say ash, I, I, I'm with you there,
I'm with you there becausegilmore girls.
That's one of my I.
I've re-watched that series somany times, but I think I've
seen the, the newer ones thatcame out maybe once or twice,
and it just yeah I totallyunderstand what you're talking
about you need to watch.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You need to watch gilmore.
Well, my sisters and mom watchgilmore girls a lot, so I
watched, I watched, okay, okay,okay.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
So I'm aware I watched a decent amount.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I get the vibes you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
You're a fan.
It's really good.
I can just watch that all thetime, my wife loves it,
absolutely loves it.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
One thing I just wanted to touch on before we
start to wrap up is that onething I noted watching the Lost
World was that Spielberg's stillin his bag.
He is a fan of and he's aproponent and does it so well.
The multi-shot kind of thingwhere it's like it's a, it's not
a, it's he'll cut away andstuff.
It's not like a, you know, aone long take kind of thing.

(48:17):
But he's going from a frame toa frame so it'll be a close-up
on him.
Malcolm that pulls out to therest of the group on the boat on
their way in and the captain'ssaying I don't want to go any
closer, I won't be back for twohours.
You can call me, but I'm notgoing to stay around here, kind
of thing.
And or it's just you know atilt up from dinosaur foot to
him looking screaming for sarahand then painting over and we
see like down the row.

(48:38):
It's all very meticulouslyplanned out.
So even if it wasn'tquote-unquote spielberg firing
on all cylinders, he was stillvery much like on top of his
game.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I feel like well, and he also had a lot going on in
the 90s he had banger afterbanger.
I mean yeah yeah, so it makessense that he was like you know,
I'm gonna you know but yeah interms of quality.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, I think in terms of the filmmaking itself,
like I don't think he, I don'tthink he was like going through
the motions by any means,because I'm sitting there like
this is all meticulously ohabsolutely like there's so much
timing going on, like it's sowell put together and stuff.
I just think it just didn't hitthe same as the first one.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I will also say I know we're going to wrap up, but
just another thing that didkind of well, maybe not
frustrate me, but interest meabout the Lost World when I was
rewatching it last night, wasthe CGI wasn't, as I felt like
the CGI wasn't as good asJurassic Park and maybe that's
just me looking too into it,because I didn't go through most
of my notes, because I realized, like through the movie, that I
was doing the CinemaSins thingand I was like I don't want to

(49:33):
tear this apart and be like,well, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Why would they?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
do that.
Yeah, that doesn't make anysense, but, like Jurassic Park,
literally it's about extractingdino DNA from mosquitoes that
were in it.
You know, like you have to,yeah, I mean it doesn't make any
sense, but um, yeah, but thatwas one thing that that I did
notice.
Um, I don't know, maybe maybethat's just me looking too into
it I think, I think I can answerthat question for you.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I actually agree with you.
Uh, jurassic park the reasonthe first movie was so good was
because you don't get manyaction sequences, and every
action sequence you get is very,very done, done, it's done,
it's hidden, you don't see it,that's fair.
Like the T-Rex sequence with thekids and Grant.
That's the big moment, that'sthe big scene.
And then the scene at the endand that had to be done with

(50:19):
animatronics and special effectsand they did that and it still
holds up today, better thanstuff in the MCU.
It's so good With.
It's so good.
With the second movie they had50 more dinosaurs on show
because it was the sequel.
They had to go bigger.
But if we're taking the screenrules, they had to go bigger,
they had to go bolder, they hadto put more dinosaurs.
At some point you're going tosee a floor and it was, and it
was all in daylight, thatmassive safari scene with you

(50:40):
know, yeah, you're going to seea mistake somewhere.
I actually agree with you.
The cgi wasn't great, but therewas more.
There was probability wise.
You're going to find somethingfor sure, because dinosaurs were
on screen at least every fiveseconds, whereas Jurassic Park
you don't even get.
You don't even get to see itand they even make a joke of it
because in the tour there's likea no show and you know you're
there with them.
On the tour You're like, yeah,when you see the t-rex an hour

(51:11):
and 20 minutes in, everyone inthe audience is like whoa that
is so good, and it still is, andthis movie yeah, you see it in
like 10, 5, you know 30 minutes,you see it all and you see it
for the next hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I do think they save some room for the t-rex is like
you've got.
I love that roland's likerunning along.
He's trying to describe likeget, get the, get the, the friar
tuck get him.
Elvis, elvis but, but I did.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I could tell they were very much like okay, we can
introduce all these otherdinosaurs all we want to, but
like we still gotta, we stillgotta make t-rex a big deal yeah
, and even the velociraptorslike well, and I I will say,
though I did think that whenthey were driving the jeeps
around the dinos, I did thinkthat was really cool because
there's there's a JurassicEvolution which I really enjoy
playing, and it's basically likerollers.
Basically, you're creating yourown dinosaur park and so you

(51:55):
have to have.
You know, your dinosaurs getsick and stuff, and so you
actually can drive your Jeepinto their enclosures and stuff,
and it reminded me a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
And I was like this is sick.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I liked that and also the practical effects.
I thought, which I meanpractical effects, are always
going to Trump, cgi, but the thepractical.
The stegosauruses were sick.
I also love that they includedstegosauruses.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I think they're cool.
It sounds like Allie likes thelost world.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
What is your?
What is your favorite dinosaur?
Allie do.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Man oh good question.
I feel like it's it's I reallylike velociraptors.
I think now I'm to be fair.
I like the velociraptors thatare in the movie and not the
actual velociraptors that havefeathers and stuff no offense,
turns out, they're smaller.
Yeah, no, I like the ones inthe movie, but I also really
love lizards and snakes andstuff like that, and so yeah
probably velociraptors orT-Rexes.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I just think they're all on the ground and you had.
They did it well in the secondmovie with the sea creatures.
That was good, but they couldhave really done something.
And they did it with the thirdmovie with sam neill, dresser
park, three of the pterodactyls,the birdcage sequence oh yeah,
they really have done like uh no, a 747 flying and you see a
pterodactyl, something, you knowsomething to reference a

(53:11):
pterodactyl in a third movie.
Instead, it was just aestablishing shot of it flying,
because they are dangerous andthey have something else, they
offer something else and uh,yeah, I think they think they
should have done something moreof that yeah, well, jurassic
world, didn't it have the wellthey had a giant like domed cage
thing them to live in.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And then they got loose and there's a terrifying
yeah the assistant who dies thishorrible death.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
But no, I will say that is one thing I did, like
the first Jurassic World, and Iwill say that I do think with
pterodactyls it showed howterrifying they are.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yeah, I know, it's the beaks.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's the beaks yeah it's the beaks of them.
My question is like they'retalking about we're keeping them
on the island, we're trying to.
I'm like then why do you haveflying?

Speaker 3 (53:50):
dinosaurs.
You can't control the flyingdinosaurs.
They're going to leave theisland, they did.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
And number three.
Even at the end of number three, I'm like that's a whole other
problem.
Yeah, now we have a whole.
They fly now which, which is?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
which is one of the charlie hansen film coming out
now.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Right, yeah, yeah I know, ali I, I know I'll never
forgive myself for referencingthat, that movie, that doesn't
exist.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
So sorry for honking into the mic, that is a, that is
kind of a fun like.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
If, like you're talking about, like, there could
have been a fun sequence likein the original movies, where
they're trying to run out theopen and the pterodactyls are
just hunting yeah like you couldhave.
You could have swapped out theraptors for that even, and
they're just swooping ingrabbing people and stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Or the Gallimimus, I mean that whole scene, when
they're running with theGallimimus, and then the T-Rex
comes out and attacks themInstead of doing that you could
have had pterodactyls for that Imean the pterodactyls, are
pretty terrifying in numberthree, like the whole sequence
where they're chasing them.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I was just going to Like the birdcage scene when
they come out into the mist.
That is a horrifying scene.
Yeah, it's terrifying, he justwalks up and you're like, oh, my
God, and they're massive, yeah.
It was like, oh my God, it's abirdcage.
I'm like what?
And then that gave me shivers.
That was probably the only partof the movie where I was like,
oh my God.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
What's that in there?
I'm not going to try and defendthat's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I love that the trope keeps going through all these
movies.
They're like we have to makeokay, we have the T-Rex, but how
do we raise the stakes?
And they're like well, theSpinosaurus is pretty big and
then they're like what?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
if we did a fusion of like this one and that and they
kept doing it and you're justlike maybe we just have
dinosaurs Outside of JurassicWorld movies or Jurassic Park
movies.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I think the only time I've been terrified of a
dinosaur or thought it wasaccurately pretty well done was,
weirdly, the Disney dinosaurmovie.
I don't think the dinosaurmovie itself is good, but the
Carnotaurus the horned T-Rex,basically like terrifying.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I remember, I forget where it was, where you could
get the toys, where it was thehand puppets, but I vividly
remember it probably was BurgerKing.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
now that I think about it, but there's a dinosaur
ride at Animal Kingdom inOrlando and I remember Disney on
their TV show selling it toeverybody and we got on the ride
.
I was like, oh God, thatCarnotaurus is at the end it
just pops out, it's the mostterrified.
I've ever been on a ride.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Just because you're anticipating it and the
animatronics are so good, butyeah, that's pretty terrifying.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, it is for sure, okay, well, we're, we're
nearing the end here, so justfinal, final thoughts.
And, ali, I'll start with you,since ash started previously.
So, having having discussed,having re-watched it recently
with more more modern, agedthing, you're, you're a little
older, a little wiser.
You just turned, just turned,just had a birthday.
I did just have a birthday.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I know you made me re-watch the lost world on my
birthday.
I'm just kidding happy birthdaythank you thanks, um, no see,
and this is this is why I enjoyhaving these types of
conversations, because I don'tas I've previously stated on
this podcast, I don't pick up onstuff.
I, I, I'm very I like havingdiscussions with people where
they bring up, like I neverthought about malcolm, the

(56:46):
reason there's, the reason whyhe's different is because he was
traumatized and had very, youknow, several, nearly, you know,
near death experiences, and sothat makes sense, because that's
always been a huge issue for me, and so that's why I enjoy
these types of things is that Ihear from different perspectives
and I, it's, it's.
I get to think, okay, you knowwhat, actually, that does make
sense.
And maybe I am being too harshand you know, even though I, I,

(57:08):
even though it's not my favorite, um, I do have a better
appreciation.
Appreciation for it, um, becausethere are cool moments in it.
Like, I'm not going to say thewhole movie, I, I dislike the
whole movie.
There are really cool momentsin it.
There were a lot of really coolshots, um, there's one near the
end that I thought was reallyinteresting.
Um, yeah, and I, just, I mightgive it a three Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I might give it a three out of five.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I'm proud of you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
This is a big moment.
For any of you that arelistening, this is a very big
moment for me.
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Well, ash, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
With that in mind, like, yeah, what are your
thoughts now after discussion,after I feel like you're pretty
much where you are, you, youstand, you feel, you feel a
little little, uh, justifiedmaybe, or vindicated perhaps I
think it's good that, like it'sgood that ali actually has
appreciation and listens,because a lot of people already
make their minds up and don'twant to entertain a second
opinion and that's such a lostart around the world.

(58:02):
So it's so like refreshingtalking to someone like ali and
she's like oh, you know what?
No, that's that's a cool pointthat never happens anymore.
And I think with like doesn'tgen z and gen alpha like anyone,
like no offense to thatgeneration, but it's like this
is the fact, this is, you know,my opinion is fact.
I'm not going to change a littlebit of a lost art kind of going
and it's like okay, I'm sorry,but you know it is art, it is a
movie like what is one?

(58:23):
What is good to someone is badfor someone else.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I'll get I get that, but it's good.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Like ali said, it's good to have a discussion.
This is what I think.
What do you think?
You know there's a.
You know there's all theselittle things in movies.
You know there's a reason whyhammond's dressed in white and
malcolm's dressed in black,because they're total opposites.
You know, there's little thingslike that, and someone told me
that last week.
I'm like oh yeah, shit, Ididn't even make sense.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I was like figure of the story.
Okay, I'm seeing it, yeahbringing new.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
The more and more you talk to people, the more and
more you learn.
And you know, yeah, it's notthe best.
I think Jurassic Park is thebetter movie, but the Lost World
should definitely be.
You know, in conversation it'slike you know, this is still a
Steven Spielberg film.
This is still a film based on abook.
You know a separate book.
You know it should hold its own, like you know, podium, I think
, and it does deserve.
I think it should deserve alittle more credit than it's

(59:15):
getting.
But it is that film, likeDante's Peak and Volcano, that
will just be on TV now and againand you'll see it, oh man, well
, it also helps.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Helps when you have uh three or four sequels that
come after that are of varyingdegrees of success yeah, and
quality it makes you kind of goback and go.
You know what, maybe lost worldwasn't as bad as we kind of
thought.
Maybe those prequels, maybegeorge lucas had an idea going
there.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
I just can't believe they ended with dominion and oh
my god yeah, that was well,they're going again.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Scarlett johansson's.
They can't leave the park.
They don't know when to quit.
Ash.
No one has learned the lesson.
What are they going to do now?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Reopen another park, Like what is the story going to
be for them?
You?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
know there was a wild thing I read many years ago
about some of the ideas pitchedfor, like a Jurassic World
sequel or something where theyfused dinosaurs with people.
Oh God so you were going to getlike like.
We were just going to get likesome weird like street sharks
thing or something coming out ofit.
That would be horrifying itwould be crazy.

(01:00:12):
I mean it would be scary, I meanI would be down for crazy stuff
, like when you just try torepeat the same things of the
past.
That's when it just gets boring.
But when you're throwing stuffat the wall of like, yeah, give
me the the story about thevelociraptors on the boat, give
me just a movie about thatfamily and it wasn't even part
of the Jurassic World sequelwhere they're camping and the
t-rex shows up yeah, and I waslike I just want that, give me

(01:00:33):
that well, and I think that'swhy I enjoy to an extent,
because obviously it gets muchsillier.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
But I think that's why I enjoy the newer Godzilla
movies is because they, they doget really silly and you know, I
think that there's a difference.
You know, obviously you canmake things super serious, like
the first of the AmericanGodzillas in 2014.
But then I don't know.
I'm all about trying silly newthings, but yeah, the Jurassic
World trilogy, that was too muchman, that was rough.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I agree, ali, and they've already started badly as
well, because the second youstart off with a big name, it's
going downhill because you'rerelying on the big name.
It's going downhill becauseyou're relying on the big name
to carry a movie like, if youthink about classics in historic
terms, none of them have aa-lister as the main star, like
texas chainsaw massacre, no onecan name the star, jurassic park
jaws.
They're not big stars who arethe main characters.
Reservoir dogden time will notbe the main.
You know you think of filmsthat are considered classics.

(01:01:22):
They're not a-listers.
So when you have an a-listersaying oh scar, scarlett
Johansson is going to be in thenext film, that's not a good
start.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
In my opinion, for sure it's like it should be
about the story and then webring in the characters instead
of being like, let's getA-lister after A-lister and put
them in the movie.
It's frustrating, it is what itis.
But I feel like we're at a goodpoint.
We've had a good talk today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I feel like we appreciate our dinos a little
bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Appreciate everything that's going on and I feel like
I feel like you've defended thesequel Well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I think so too, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Thank you, and no, honestly, it's so good to hear
and listen to different opinionsabout the films and different
perspectives.
It's been so good to be on hereand listen to you know, ali,
talk about Jurassic Park, and weshare the same opinions with a
lot of things actually, so it'sgreat to be, it's good that
you're willing to share opinions, and they are valid opinions as
well.
I agree with them.
Like Lost, world does falter ona lot of things, for sure, 100%

(01:02:19):
, but yeah alright.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Well, I think that's it.
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(01:02:42):
Maybe in the future we'll do amary sex kill jurassic park and
we'll we'll see where everybodystands on that.
It might be a little moreobvious.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, I was about to say you might get some surprises
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You know, if Corey's on there, he might throw some
left field.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
He's a Congo man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
He's not a dino man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
That was an awful fit .
Well, it was a great book,though it was a great book.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I can hear Corey screaming from the distance.
Corey, I can hear Coreyscreaming from the distance.
Yeah, corey Congo, what are youtalking?
about anyway that's our show.
Ali Ash, thank you for hoppingon today.
We had a great time discussingsome movies that we love.
But everyone else, thank youfor joining us today.
We appreciate you listening.
Be sure to subscribe.
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It's just patreoncom backslashquantum recast.
Until then, we'll see you guysnext time.
I say goodnight Allie,Goodnight Allie.

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