The Rock: Completing the Almighty Nic Cage Trilogy

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast.
It's me, corey and Nick andjoining us from across the pond,
ashery.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, welcome.
Hello, yeah, I can't believeI'm back.
It's been a minute, so reallyhappy to be back guys.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes, he's busy.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
He's in the video movie tv world right now yeah,
he's texting us cancelingpodcast recordings because he's
on set very fancy.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Very sorry, sorry, it's not as glamorous as uh is
one thought it would be, butit's very, it's very rewarding
at the end.
But, yeah, very, very um timeconsuming, as I'm sure people
know if they've done it before.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, for sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's a lot of sitting around no, it honestly is, but
I honestly prefer doing podcastsand, honestly, we've tried to
get this episode on the wrapsfor a while now and uh, it's my
fault, I keep pushing it backbut I can't do it.
I'm too tired.
But, um, I'm just glad thatwe're doing it now, because this
is one of my favorite films, ifnot favorite michael bay film,
for sure, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
This is michael bay's favorite film he's done.
Is this his favorite?
Yeah, this is the top.
This is the one he considershis favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
And if you, if you clicked on it, you obviously
know what we're talking about,but it's this is a big episode.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It is, First of all, we're continuing down our weird
action packed streak of likewhat are we coming off of?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
A decent proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Did we do two Bay movies back to back, or is this
the second one in?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
a row.
I think this might be thesecond one.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, all right, so we're continuing the Bay hymn
and we are doing the Rock.
But that also closes out onthis podcast.
The Holy Trinity of Cage.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
We've finally done it .
We're here.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
You've done Face Off and Con Air already.
We've done Face Off twice.
We have that's true, and we'vedone con air.
So amazing yes, so we're.
Nicholas cage won an oscar andthen just spent the next three
years making three of the bestaction movies of all time.
So such a nicholas cage andsnake eyes is in there and I

(02:16):
think it's underrated okay, okay, oh yeah, that's very cool,
yeah all right yes, the why ofwhat.
Why are we doing this one, therock um, I don't know, I did ash
pick it or did I pick it?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
ash did pick.
Okay, ash picked it.
I mean, it's been on his listfor a while because it's a great
movie oh yeah, I would say it'syeah, like we've established.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think it's probably his best film.
I just think we caught nicholascage at his precise moment
where people start to discoverthe nicholas cage definition of
his name, because it was at thatmoment we realized, wow, this
guy is actually kind of fun tohang around with in a movie and
as a character, and he startedto explore his personalities
which would soon emulate in allhis other films.

(03:00):
Uh, this nicholas cage ism, Iguess.
Um, I believe this is the firstof the trilogy, right 1995.
And then we get Con Air andFace Off.
This is the first one, this isthe one that kicks it off the
whole.
This is 96.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Con Air might have been the same year.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Con Air is 97.
Okay, 97.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then Face Off is 97.
So this would be the beginning.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
To answer your question, this is the start of
something that we didn't knowwas going to exist the Holy
Trinity and the start of thedecline, I guess, of Michael Bay
, which he peaked very early Ithink it was Bad Boy then the
Rock and then Armageddon was alot of fun, but I mean the Rock,
and then you've got thechemistry of Sean Connery.
I just don't think you've gotthat.
I don't think you get thatchemistry again.

(03:41):
I think Rush again, I thinkrush hour might have got very
close, but other than that, it'sa once in a decade kind of
chemistry these two actorshaving on.
So I think that's why, and itworks, it's absurd sometimes,
but it works, and it's emotional, um, but I just think you've
got two a-list actors side byside, at the right year, at the
right time, directed by theright guy, um, and I think we've
got the peak of pretty much allthree of those people.

(04:01):
Um, I don't know if you agreewith that, I don't know maybe,
but it's definitely one where Ican just re-watch the film and
love sean connery for who he is,love nicholas gage for who he
is, and michael bay, of course,is doing his typical explosions
one-liners, cheese, uh,brunettes with eyes, the usual
things that you see in a michaelbay, um, but yeah, I, I, I love
this film.

(04:22):
I loved it the second I saw it.
I don't think I know many peoplewho don't like this film.
It's just.
There's nothing not to likeabout it.
It's very it's just.
It's just a good.
It's a good fun, it's fun.
And um, also the establishmentof hans zimmer as well.
That's what continues from likethe crimson tide era.
We're starting to get musicalscores that are starting to be a
bit more heavy and a bit moreelectric, and that comes from
crimson Tide and then into thisand you kind of get those.

(04:44):
You know that's the beginningof that as well.
So the Rock does establish alot of cool things that really
come in later in action films, Ithink.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
For sure.
I have a question Is this thelast of Sean Connery, like the
last good Sean Connery?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean his last official film was the league of
extraordinary gentlemen, beforehe retired and I I enjoyed it as
well, but I just don't.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
I know it's not viewed as like a good movie by
most people oh, I see, do youmean like critically acclaimed,
or like?
Do you mean success, I would Iguess I could say like, while
it's while league is enjoyable,it didn't do well in box office.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was kind of a bomb I mean there was entrapment
with captain zeta jones.
That was a good movie.
Nothing, I think.
Yeah.
I mean I mean by yeah, usingbias I'd say the rock is his
best film out james bondfranchise.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Um he did a movie called the avengers like right
after this one where he actuallywas, the villain, which is rare
and it's watchable and thevillain strong, I mean
technically.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
He's sort of anti-hero here, isn't he?
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So here's what you get after the rock, which is
which the year before you haveuh, first night, and then this
year he does dragon heart andthe rock follows it up with the
avengers playing by heart.
Entrapment with katherine zeta,jones finding forester the next
year, and then 2003 is leagueof extraordinary gentlemen yeah,
and now he has a voice rolelater on, but it's not anything,

(06:09):
uh, that I've heard of before.
Sir billy, he's a voice roleand also executive producer, so
yeah and I mean like he, he like.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I mean there's a lot of mythos around sean connery,
like there's the rumor that heturned down lord of the rings
because he didn't get it and didleague instead, and then
obviously lord of the rings waswhat it was and league was not,
and that they, like people, saylike he pretty much said okay,
obviously my time in hollywoodis done yeah, like I don't get
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, no, that's.
And he did the same thing forthe matrix as well.
He turned down the, the role ofmorpheus in 1999 again, I think
same reason, he didn'tunderstand it.
Um, but I wanted to ask you,like, as a Brit, um, and he's
Scottish like, is he like, doyou are you aware of, like his
films outside of James Bond?
Was he a success in Hollywood,would you say?
Or would?

(06:58):
Was the Rock one of those films, like all the untouchables,
maybe the one he won the Oscarfor?
Like, was he known as anAmerican Hollywood star, would
you say?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I would say so because even outside of the Bond
movies in the 90s he still hada run.
Even outside of this he had theuncredited cameo in Robin Hood,
prince of Thieves, previous tothat in the late Hunt for Red
October in 90.
Of course, indiana Jones andthe Last Crusade.
He had Touchables in 87.
Highlander, to some people isan enjoyable movie, but he has

(07:29):
appearances in a lot of movieslike the man who Would Be King
Time Bandits, murder on theOrient Express some notable
movies of his post-James Bondrun.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I guess you could say To me he's this dude that's got
a really weird kind of likehe's James Bond and then kind of
does all these weird fantasykind of movies for a minute.
I don't know, I feel likegrowing up he was always a big
deal.
Yeah, I agree, I just feel likewe knew him from Indiana Jones
Our people, our age and stufflike that.

(08:04):
It always just came off as hewas a big deal.
Yeah, like I just feel like he,we knew him from indiana jones,
like our people, our age andstuff like that, and then like,
so it always just came off as hewas a big deal for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that's exactly the same
here, like, to be honest, likeour age group I guess, from
people from 30 to 40.
I mean I also knew him from, uh, last crusade um, who's this
guy?
And then my dad was, oh, that's, uh, james bond.
Have you not seen dr?
No, and all this.
And then I revisited the 60sand I was like, oh okay, he's
pretty suave, but the reallyfunny thing about him, which I
only found out when talking togirls, was that he was still

(08:30):
attractive in the 90s, even as a60s, 70s old man, which they
make a kind of an ironicreference in the movie.
When he's like, maybe I've lostmy sex appeal, like, and it's a
massive, a massive ironic thing, because he's still considered
a sexy person even at his age,which is another thing he had
going for him, apparently.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
A silver fox, if you will.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think he was the silver fox, like before.
George Clooney made it kind offashionable in the maybe naughty
side, but yeah, as soon as hegets his hair cut on the balcony
, when he's like his haircuts onthe balcony, um, when he's like
my structure here or Cecil thebill, I mean that that's a very
sexy shot of him just spinningboots hair and every woman I
speak to is like, wow, yeah,that is that's James Bond, right

(09:11):
there in you know.
And I don't know if that comesacross as like wow, this man is
suave, this is someone we like,someone who's actually still
good looking at this age.
Uh, which?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
is why I think this works for sure, sure, for sure.
Well, that's because the Rockis the final James Bond movie
for Sean Connery.
I consider it canon.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So tell us about the theory, corey, tell us about the
theory.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I think that he, like I'm, of the notion that James
Bond's a codename.
I don't mess with this DanielCraig crap of trying to
de-establish that James Bond's acodename.
I'll say this I'll say Craig,canonically is the first James
Bond and he becomes the codename, and that Sean Connery's
version is arrested for tryingto steal state secrets from the

(09:58):
United States and is heldwithout captive because he's
such a valuable guy.
His real name is John Mason.
Codename James Bond.
That's such a valuable guy.
His real name is John Mason,right, codename James Bond.
That's such a crazy theory,which is why he's so good at
being a badass.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
So wait, you're saying that Sean Connery as John
Mason in the Rock is actuallyJames Bond.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yes, that is the 60s James Bond that's such.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean the maths adds up.
I guess he steals a microfilmin 1962, which is when the first
Doctor no came out, I believe.
Yes, I mean yeah, that's aconspiracy.
Theories go, or theories go,like the Ferris Bueller one, or
whatever ones, that's not astretch at all?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's not.
Let's compare the two.
So you've got James Bond, who'sa British MI6 secret agent.
You've got John Mason, who's aformer British SAS captain,
allegedly working for Britishintelligence.
Their personalities are kind ofsimilar, where Bond's more
suave and witty, cocky, mason'sa little cynical, reclusive,
which you can imagine, he's beenin jail for a long time and
without due process.

(11:04):
Both are elite in combat,tactical thinking, escape,
artistry, interrogation,intelligence.
Uh bond has more resourceaccess, obviously, but mason
operates with like raw skill,improvisation and like because
he doesn't have m or q orwhoever to give him the tools
and stuff he has.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
The us government, nicholas cage and his and then
that coin that he gets fromWomack or Paxton.
But the thing I mean it doesmake sense.
I mean the first thing he doesask is the feel of a good suit
and that's like an iconic thingas James Bond is the suit.
You have to wear the suit, thetux.
I mean it was I swear it was inPierce Brosnan contract that he
couldn't wear a tuxedo in anyother film when he was James

(11:40):
Bond.
So it's a big deal um the suitand he deliberately asks for
that when he's making hisnegotiations.
So I like that theory.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I really do uh, james , that's how I watch the Rock
well, I think that it plays intoit.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I think that it it clearly is building this movie
in the story off of SeanConnery's time, as James Bond
like, like, I don't think youcasted him in that spot for
nothing yeah, I mean, I thinkthey probably don't.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I mean, I I listen, that's just a theory that I like
to subscribe to.
But I'm sure michael bay kepttelling him you're kind of james
bondy, you're kind of like anold james bond, yeah you know,
yeah, I was like, why not bejames bond?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
but let's make it a bit ironic and change your name
a little bit, but keep thecharacter the same.
I know I like it.
I like that theory.
I mean, the film doesn'tactually go anywhere in terms of
not addressing it, so I thinkthat's a clever move and it's
just like what have you and justwe'll deal with it.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, I think if James or Sean Connery had his
way, he'd still be playing JamesBond.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah probably.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I mean he's dead now.
He's gone now.
Rest in peace.
But I mean they were makingdual James Bond's movies, where
him and his replacement wereplaying movies at the same time.
His last one was Never SayNever Again in 83.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm not sure though.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Okay, yeah, roger Moore had come in, so he wasn't
willing to give off the titleyet.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
No.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, he came back to do another one, like in the
late 80s, I think, or somethingEarly yeah 83.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, he'd already messed up with that character
once, right, because the landsbe.
Did it in the middle of his run, right?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, it was like David Niven did it as a spoof.
He did Casino Royale, which isthe first book, and then they
Broccoli did dr no, which wasthe first official James Bond of
Sean Connery, and then it wasRoger Moore, then it was this
Australian cap, australian chapcalled Lazenby.
I think Lazenby might have beenbefore, but he just did one
film and he actually everyonesays the guy who can't remember

(13:36):
the film but he's meant to be inthe best James Bond film voted
in one of the magazines and heonly did one film.
Oh, really, yeah, yeah, yeah,um, and he was a fashion model.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
That george lazenby, yeah he was in on on her
majesty's secret service in 69.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah it was a good film, yeah, that's, that's what
voted one of the best bond films, and it happened to be the one
that lazenby was the bond and hewas he's a good.
The one that sean connery's notin, yeah.
But then this is the thingthough sean connery sort of he
sort of established what it wasto be suave, and it probably
wasn't him.
I'm sure many people were suave, like, I guess, the character
of dracula or you know otherpeople, but I mean it was more

(14:11):
the cigarette and the way hetalked and the womanizing kind
of made it kind of cool andbritish and whatnot.
Um, I mean, dr no is full ofjust uh, examples of his.
It's more of his attituderather than the story, and
there's never really been a filmthat's more about the
character's attitude than theactual storyline itself, which
is why I think Bond is such apopular character, because it's

(14:32):
all attitude based.
Yeah, which on, mason has, Ithink as well.
He has a certain attitude whichis quite attractive yes, for
sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Corey, do you want me to give you the rundown of the
Rock real quick, with someuseless movie trivia and
critical stats?
Yeah, give me the criticalstats.
All right, we got some moviedetails for you guys.
So the Rock it was released in1996, a runtime of 136 minutes.
Michael Bay, the director, as weknow, of Bad Boys, armageddon,
transformers, fame and Infamy.

(15:03):
The writers David Weisberg,douglas S Cook, mark Rosner.
Weisberg and Cook did DoubleJeopardy in 99.
Rosner did the Blue Bloods TVshow.
Don Simpson this was actuallydedicated to him.
He passed away before the moviewas released and it's also a
Jerry Bruckheimer productionCinematographer.
John Swartzman, a Michael Baystaple.

(15:23):
Seabiscuit, jurassic World andthe Founder are some of his
notable movies.
This film's budget was $75million.
It made a total box office of$335.1 million worldwide.
So it did pretty well, prettywell for itself.
Critics stats We've got IMDbgave it a 7.4.
Rotten Tomatoes got a criticrating of 68,.
A fan rating of 85.

(15:45):
Metacritic 58 from criticsUsers got 8.7.
And on Letterboxd it sits at a3.4 out of 5.
What is your score for it,corey?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
What like on.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Letterboxd, yeah, letterboxd.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
What's the top?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Top is 5 out of 5.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like 4.5.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Okay all right, All right Ash.
What about you?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I'd agree with Corey.
I'd probably put it in the fourand a half bracket, for sure.
I think it's a timeless actionmovie, for sure.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Trying to see.
I gave it three and a half so Iwas pretty critical of it.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I don't know, it's a solid movie.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I don't know.
It's a solid movie.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I have a question, Name one flaw.
Yeah, I mean, look, Corey, Iwill ask Nick this question and
you can gang up on him with meif you want.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Would you say this is Michael Bay's best film.
So yeah, it's going to for me.
I have a trinity of Michael Baymovies and it's the Rock.
Armageddon and Bad Boys 2.
I think Bad Boys 2 is waybetter than Bad Boys 1.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I mean Bad Boys 1, the car chase, the favelas.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I just feel like that's Will Smith and Martin
Lawrence having the most fun,but I would say it's probably up
there.
But I also have a massiveaffinity for Pain and Gain,
which everyone forgets.
Really, because there's not alot of explosions, so right,
it's explosions, but it's biceps.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, explosion of veins.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
An ambulance was really good.
I don't know if you everwatched it.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It was a lot of fun yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I feel like.
I feel like Michael Bay is goodat fun and I like fun movies,
yeah.
So I just hate that he took 10years off to make Transformer
movies.
That pissed me off.
I hate that.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I completely agree with you and I'm getting that
way about Denis Villeneuve.
I'm like, are you completelycommitting yourself to Dune
right now, because I'm justlooking at, like Prisoners and
Enemy and Ensemble D's and allthese great arrivals you know,
go back to making singular films.
Don't commit yourself to afranchise, because it's honestly
, I mean, yeah, some of them aregood, I mean they're both great

(17:50):
films, but you're sort ofdenying yourself the opportunity
to make another arrival oranother Prisoners, which I don't
know if you like those films,but I love them and they're
great films Michael Bay, exactly, I think, after transformers,
one which you know was great ithad the lincoln park ending.

(18:10):
Megan fox, shia labeouf.
You know it was great in 2008-9whenever it came out, but yeah
it's what?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
four or five movies after that as well.
It's a bit heavy.
You know um the movies thathe's directed.
This one has the highest ratingon imdb, that's the rock.
The only other movie that doesbetter is a documentary that he
just came out with this year thewe are store, store.
Yeah, it got a nine, wow, butit's a documentary.
So of all the fictional orfeature movies he's made, the.
Rock is the highest rated.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
What about you, Nick?
Is the Rock the best Bay filmfor you?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I got a soft spot for Armageddon, I think.
I think it takes the cake forme.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Armageddon.
I just want you to tell me theflaw of the rock that cost it
one and a half stars.
Yeah, nick, I don't know it'slong.
It is long, it's a minute.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
But show us Armageddon.
But there's a lot going on.
In Armageddon there's a bunchof characters, the world's at
threat.
This one you're like okay, it'sCage Edge Connery and we've had
our fun.
Let's wrap this up a little bit.
Okay, a little leaner versionof this.
I would have probably gone fourstars Maybe let me play devil's
advocate.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'll tell you one floor of the rock that really
like I.
Only I watched it recently.
You know that he's meant to befeeling the microfilms.
That's why Mason's in prison,Right.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
And then Walmack and Paxton have this like chat about
what Mason did, and thenthey're like this guy knows, or
everything from the last halfcentury is the alien at roswell.
I'm like, wait a second, whyhasn't he stopped him right
there?
I want to find out more aboutthe aliens at roswell.
Why not go into that?
That's one thing I was like, ohwhy, why not ask a bit more
about?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
roswell.
I mean, that's just my alienknows this, or who?
It's not walmart.
Who's the other guy?
Paxton knows his place, ash, Iknow.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
but if someone says to me this guy knows the truth
about the aliens at Roswell,what, hello, what?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
truth.
Yeah, I'm going like okay, tellme more.
We can't just say that and thenwalk away.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Exactly?
How is that not the nextquestion?
Okay, so what happened atRoswell?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
First of all, he said just the truth For all we know.
That just means he definitivelyknows nothing Like nothing
happened.
Nothing happened and thatreally hurts tourism in New
Mexico and they don't want thatout.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
True, they do live off of that in Roswell.
I've been there recently.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I've been.
They really milk that wholealien thing.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
It is.
Mcdonald's is a spaceship.
Their whole main street's gotall kinds of stores and stuff.
It's a big deal out there.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
You went to Roswell.
Is there an actual place whereit landed?
Is there a site or something,or is it just this place?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
So there is an Air Force base outside of Roswell.
So I went, like years ago withan ex-girlfriend and her
grandparents own like a huntingranch there and like, honestly,
you can see it.
Like her grandfather said, ohyeah, that's where they took the
stuff from the crash and I waslike, yes, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Show me the goods.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
There is an air force base there that were that
supposedly they took whateverlanded there.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, I mean, okay, quick question, do you?
But do you believe the alienlanded at roswell or crashed?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
oh no, I.
I went to the alien ufo museumthere.
That was totally just a weatherballoon oh yeah, there's no way
.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That was just a weather balloon.
Oh no, you've ruined the magicthat's just my thing.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I felt like there was nothing there to say anything
other than a weather.
Balloon crashed and then thatcity just said we're riding this
out.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Gotta ride this till the wheels.
Roll off, baby.
Oh man, You've crushed Asher'sdreams.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I'm sorry His American dreams.
That's my perspective.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
No, no, I his american dreams.
That's my perspective.
So no, no, I mean no.
I mean you've been, you guyshave been, I've not.
I'm planning, I want to gothere at some point.
But also, did you guys alsonotice that michael bay mentions
jfk in both this film and inarmageddon?
So obviously the scene is like,oh, do you really want to know
who killed jfk?
Like the closing line of amovie this good and that was
fine.
And then in armageddon, youknow when they're handing in
their requests, like they don'twant to pay taxes you wouldn't
know who killed Kennedy.

(21:47):
Yeah exactly, and that's like aback to back Bay film with the
same question.
That's quite interesting aswell, michael.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Bay really wants to make us think about if JFK was
assassinated by the governmentyeah, that's like a big, that's
a massive thing here.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I don't know.
Obviously it must be a bigthing that you guys are near
Texas where it happens.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
We go to the grassy knoll often because it's just in
the middle of Dallas.
No way.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Honestly, that is insane.
My password is literally11-22-63 because I've read the
Stephen King books.
Not exactly a biography.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Now everyone knows Ash's password, you just steal
all of this stuff he's gonna login after this drops and be like
what's what's happened justjust beat that out.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Honestly, I have to like change everything my
passcode um, so yeah, okay, allright, all right, um, but uh, no
, uh, I know I love this movie.
I think it's just.
This movie from beginning toend is fun.
I I do agree with nick it's alittle long.
I think the older I get, themore I do go.
We did not need the 20 minutecar chase through san francisco.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's a ton of fun, sure, but I don't know that we
needed it in the movie no, no,it apparently was just michael
bay was wanting to do it for, asa nod to bullet, the movie from
68.
Yeah, and then connery, likehe's rumored to have insisted on
filming something in sanfrancisco because he wanted to
enjoy the city's golf coursesduring production connery's like

(23:11):
so we're gonna film a car chase, that's gonna take six weeks.
Yes, so I can golf well, howlong is it perfect?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
that's a good point, because apparently they were all
on alcatraz and he wanted tobuild a trailer on alcatraz and
they refused, so he had to stayon a hotel and keep bringing him
back and forth.
Then, like well, can we justshoot a scene in San Fran to
show that we're there, becauseall like the interior stuff
wasn't in San Fran at all, whichis why I read, so they weren't
really in San Fran at ormainland San Fran for a lot, a
lot of it.
Which is why I think I actuallyenjoyed the car chase scene,

(23:39):
because I think I think it wasCatherine Bigelow.
You know she did Point Breakand they have that famous chase
sequence that's meant to be likethe best sequence of all.
She was saying that the reasonand I actually kind of agree
with Corey, because someoneasked me the question if you
could take 10, 20 minutes out,what scene would it be?
And it would be the car chasescene.
No-transcript, clever, and youcan.

(24:14):
I think the geography of wherethe both, both the cars are are
really well done.
Um, but I also agree with corythat if there's a scene that you
need to take out, that's theone.
Yeah, I'm trying to think ofanother scene, but I can't, I
think that, no, no, every otherscene has to stay in.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, you can all of them.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
You can literally cut from him escaping the hotel to
him meeting up with his, yeah,his daughter.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Um, yeah, like in my and I'll say this about the car
chase scene.
I think it hurts nicholascage's character a little bit,
because it's like he kind ofturns into a superhero.
For about five minutes he doeslike.
All of a sudden he turns intolike God in 60 seconds, nicholas
Cage for a good like threeminutes and it's like oh, I'm
really good at driving and it'skind of like you're supposed to

(24:55):
be a nerdy biochemist thatdrives a Volvo.
Why are you handling thatFerrari so well?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
How are you able to do this?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
That's the thing.
Do you know, it wasn't eventhat, but you're 100.
It's when he pushes that kidoff the bike and he's like you
just fucked up your ferrari, andthen he's like it's not mine,
and then he pushes the boyaggressively off the bike.
I'm like that's kind of oddcharacter.
You're kind of a nerd.
Why you wouldn't be thataggressive, you kind of.
And so and I agree with cory,like yeah, he definitely goes
for memphis rains on the, uh,the car chase scene and uh, yeah
, the guy off the bike, and thendoes the detective work to find

(25:27):
out where jade is all in likeyou know five minutes.
I'm like, okay, is he reallythe lab technician that was
listening to the beatles earlier, or have we just gone?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
yeah it just it's it, does it's it's, it's it.
For a movie that's long, itdoesn't actually serve that much
of a purpose other than a giantset piece, and I think for
every character and everythingit just kind of weirdly like
does it's almost crowbarred in,even like sean connery driving a
hummer, like like it's likedude, he would have hit
something immediately that thosethings are like eight feet wide

(25:56):
.
You know, those are like.
They're just not maneuverable,it's not a car chase car and so
it's just, it's kind of likeit's a little all over the place
, but can I ask another question?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
so that's the scene that you take out.
So let me ask you the oppositequestion what is the best scene
in the movie?
What's the scene in the moviethat sort of defines what the
rock is about?
What would you say that sceneis?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'll just say there's two goosebumps scenes in this
movie there's the shower roomscene is b.
It's michael bean's bestperformance in anything and I it
.
Just he delivers those lineswith such conviction and you're
just like hell yes, and it's sodisturbing that they just
immediately all get killed.
You're like, oh man, I was init.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
And then, uh, I do think the green smoke scene at
the end is also just reallypowerful yeah, when he the final
fight with the guy and with thelast bit of the bomb, and then
he stabs himself in the heartand then comes out and is waving
the smoke and the guy's like wegot green smoke, pull up pull
up.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh shit, I dropped it .
Yeah, no, no, that lastsequence, I think it's like on
the poster or on the DVD of likeNicolas Cage is holding those
two green flares right at theend.
Um, yeah, no, definitely,definitely.
I would try and find a scenewith sean connery in it.
But nicholas, because this isanother debate as well, because
nicholas cage is the maincharacter, sean connery is sort

(27:14):
of.
Sean connery is actually thekind of eye candy, if anything.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't know if am I right he's he's the lovable
rogue of the movie, the jacksparrow, the han solo type, like
he's.
He's the guy who's a little toocool like to be the main
character because like hisgrowth uh isn't essentially tied
to saving the world or anythinglike he does want to like do
right and like get back with hisdaughter and stuff, but for him

(27:39):
this is just one last uh joyride outside of prison kind of
thing.
Yeah, I would say my favoritescene of his is the escape from
the hotel room.
That's just Connery at his pureessentialness, because the rest
of it, the best parts ofConnery for me in that, is all
his one-liners he's justthrowing at Cage, like the
homecoming queen line or theprom queen, that's right.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh my gosh, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, I completely agree.
I can.
Oh my gosh, it's so really.
No, I completely agree.
I can't believe none of yousaid I I the scene where they
first meet in the interrogationroom, when he's trying to
pretend to be in there and he'slike it's a good one.
I just, I just the opening sceneor that, the scene where they
first meet, where they're tryingto suss each other out and he's
completely got his number andnicholas cage is nervous as hell
, which is exactly where, if yousee that character, and then

(28:23):
three hours later he's driving aporsche or ferrari right, you
know it's interesting.
But yeah, I kind of like, um, Iwas like he figures him out by,
uh, translating what he's justsaid in greek or latin.
Um, the whole moral aspect ofhim ripping off or the contract,
it just it just says a lot tothe audience between these two
characters like that.
Sean connery is indeed quotingall these people that were

(28:46):
wrongfully put in prison, whichgives you an idea of oh okay,
maybe he's not such a bad guy,which I think you have that some
way, cause you're kind ofrooting for him even though you
don't know you should be, andyou also.
This is the really cool thingas well.
What winds us?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
are you sympath Hummel's character as well?
I mean, is he actually avillain in this movie, would you
say?
I think for the most part, buthe redeems himself in the sense
of like who, ed Harris?
Oh, he's an anti villain, yeahhe believe he's Thanos.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
He believes wholeheartedly in what he's
doing.
Yeah, I would say.
But I'd say he's even more ofan anti villain than Thanos.
Thanos wants to kill half theplanet.
This guy just wants he and likeI think ed harris from the very
beginning knows he's bluffing.
Yeah, I think that's thebiggest reason we can see him as
, like this, really anti-villain.
He feels backed into a corner.
He feels he has to do something.
But at no point do I ever thinked harris genuinely thinks he's

(29:35):
going to kill someone.
He is.
He is bluffing with like eightdeuce offsuit in poker.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
He is just like he's got nothing other than a slim
chance that someone's gonna likehit the river yeah yeah no, and
I was gonna ask as well,because obviously he makes no
attempts to try and become thevillain like he's gone this far.
He steals the vx gas, he loseshis own men.
He doesn't want to kill.
You know michael bean'scharacter and he regrets it.

(30:01):
Everyone that dies in theprocess is not due to him.
It's due to mistakes that happenduring the process of what he's
doing sure, yeah, and I meanit's not go ahead, sorry no, no,
I find it very interesting,like the opening scene is like
his wife's grave it's he had towait for her to die for him to
do this.
He couldn't do that with heralive.
To see what he's about to do, Ialso think that's a very big

(30:22):
tell on yeah, what is like wherehis moral compass lies for him
to wait for his wife to dosomething like that?
and he even calls it right atthe end.
He's like, look, we bluffed,they called missions over, um.
He even says outright, hedoesn't even try and hide it, um
, yeah, he rock it out of, maybepeer pressure, but then he soon
gets rid of it.
So I find him a veryinteresting anti-villain, I
would say, because there's, andyou know, sean connery even says

(30:45):
I mean it's basically read tothe audience like I read his
eyes and nicholas cage is like,oh well, I guess everything's
just fine.
But I think, as the audience weall know, you know, as cory
said, that there's not one partof us who believes that he was
going to go through with it,which is makes it for the movie
yeah, he's very much a villain.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
who who has cause, and those are generally better
villains.
But he even has his limitationsas a villain.
He's not going to go down withthe ship or his ego doesn't get
in the way.
He's very much different in thesense that it's like okay, they
got me, I won.
He's not going to just do itout of spite or something, and
the problem is he just happenedto hire all these crazy people
around him and they're the onesthat want to keep it going.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, around him, and they're the ones that want to
keep it going.
Yeah, yeah, the mercenariesextremist.
Yeah, candy man at his bestyeah, definitely, but did you
guys want go ahead?
Did you think that was a weirdrole for tony todd coming off
the like candy man in a fewfilms in the early 90s, or was
it a good role for him?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I feel like that again.
It's another role that theyplayed off of expectation of,
like you see tony todd and youthink candy man or like I don't
know final destination is it'snot even out yet but like I
think that they play off of thatto an extent, like oh well,
yeah, tony todd, of course he'sgonna be one of the crazy guys.
And then when he becomesbasically the de facto one of
two main villains, at the end itbecomes like oh yeah, I

(31:58):
definitely, he's definitely likein the right spot.
I feel like yeah, for sure.
Cause he hasn't been overcast atthat point he hadn't been
overcast as like a villain byany means.
You know, you get a lot ofactors that have that problem
where it's and and like the work.
When the work's good, thework's good.
But like you, you run into theproblem of just being typecast
in in a bad way yeah, yeah, Ifeel like that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
That's sort of what's happened with um the, the guy
from gladiator digimon who soon?
Oh yeah, because he recentlydid an interview.
Just he's got two academy awardnominations and the man still
struggling to find work andevery role he has to accept is
because of money, are verystereotypical supporting roles
and he's like I've got twoacademy award nominations.

(32:43):
How has this happened?
You know, like blood diamond,they thought okay, well, listen,
after amstead, blood diamond, Ithought working with big
directors as well, like, surelyyou know?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
why you know he's done all the right things like
he's.
He's been in classic movies.
He's played great roles in themand he's.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
He's a good actor.
He's a very good actor.
Like you believe him ineverything he does and he's had
to sort of resort to these likereally supporting even, like you
know, roles in like captainmarvel, these like roles that,
yes, in hyphenated stereotypicalfor him and yeah, and they
don't.
He's obviously got actingabilities that haven't been
exploited.
He's just and he's outright.
He just said he's just gettingpaycheck to paycheck, he's just

(33:18):
taking the money because heneeds, he's working for a living
, he's trying to support afamily and I find that he's in
the same category of me of likea sam rockwell, where it's like
the second you see him in amovie, it's already improved the
movie.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm like, yes, he's in it, awesome.
Yeah, I'm locked in.
So I'm surprised that he hastrouble getting movies because
like, yeah, if I had a chance tocast him but yeah, cast him,
they'd well, does it matter thathe has this very strong accent
and stuff?
No, it doesn't, we'll workaround that.
It's Digimon Honsu.
Yeah, and I think people have a.
It feels like Hollywood movieproducers have some issue with

(33:51):
that, where they're like, well,he's, you know, it's hard to
believe.
It's like it's 2025.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
People immigrate.
Like you can explain it in fiveseconds or less, like, yeah,
it's just, it's just fallinginto a crack where he's just
working for a living and theplace he's working is hollywood,
which is a very, you know,interesting dynamic to sort of
like look at as a case study.
Like sam rocker was very much,like you said, in danger of
becoming that, but I think hestarted to become well known,
more established.
He was getting roles, got hisoscar and, you know, love him
Got his Oscar.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yep, yep, yep, yeah, very sad.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
There's also something we have to discuss.
I've already done my James Bondtheory, but how about the
theory that this is the sameworld as Armageddon?
Because it's the same president.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Ooh, didn't know that one.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yep, the same president in Armageddon and the
Rock, and they both givemonologues.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's right.
The and they both givemonologues.
That's right.
The big question, corey, isthis after they saved the world
from the asteroid, or before?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I feel like it's got to be before.
I feel like Hummel's not goingto do this after something as
chaotic as you know, trying tonuke.
Yeah, set off the nuke on theasteroid the world just got
saved and he's like all right,I'm going to hold San Francisco
hostage just got saved and he'slike all right, I'm gonna hold
san francisco hostage.
That's a little raw, yeah youknow.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
So I think you know it's more, it makes more sense
from a progression standpointthat it's like okay, this guy
tried to fire on san francisco,he's definitely gonna fire on
the, the rock and the pearlingtowards us.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I mean like it's.
It's just.
This is the like.
This president just had a shitterm.
Yeah, as soon as this isresolved, some people come in
and say Listen, we've spottedsomething in space.
And he's like Are you serious?
We just defeated Ed Harris.

(35:36):
We just saved San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well, now you've got the world, sir.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh man.
That president, he did not runfor re-election.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
He's just like I'm out, I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I'm tired, he was done, he was done?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, for sure.
But Nicolas Cage was sort ofwatching the news after relaxing
with his JFK files in his hand,going oh, this is cool.
Oh wait, the world's ending now.
Might as well to the world now,or something.
Can you imagine Mason comingout of prison after like 30
years?
Oh, an asteroid hit Earth in 18days.
It's like great.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
He finally gets free.
And then, yeah, it's like theasteroid shows up.
He's like oh crap, of coursethis is the way it would go, so
before we move forward, guys, doyou want to hear any guesses
what Roger Ebert's score forthis movie is?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I don't know, really disappointing.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Give me a wild guess.
Go on, Corey.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
The movie's fun, so I bet he gave it like two.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay Ash, I'm being a bit more optimistic.
I'm going to say three.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
He gave it a 3.5 out of four.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Roger, he gave something good, a good score.
Yeah, he said that, the Rock.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, roger, about time he gave something good, a
good score, yeah, oh man he saidthat the Rock is a first-rate
slam-bang action thriller.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
It's made out of pieces of other movies, yes, and
not as much in it as really new, but each element has been
lovingly polished to a gloss.
So there's a little backhandedcompliment in there, but he
enjoyed the ride.
It's in there, for sure.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Because it's very much clearly a ride and it's
kind of like what Corey said youare there to have fun and
Armageddon is definitely theepitome of just having fun with
the movie with a big, all-starcast.
But the Rock you just can't nothave fun when you have this
on-screen chemistry.
And I think the on-screenchemistry between Cage and
Connery, much like Harrison Fordand Con connery in last crusade

(37:21):
, carries the film and itdoesn't even need to carry the
film because there's so muchelse going on, because hummel
does well, michael bean, in ashort role, does well.
Yeah, this bx serum gas, this,this green colored ball that
causes this disgusting monologuefrom nicholas cage.
I mean, there are there's scenesall over this place that you
can sort of extrapolate and saythis is an awesome scene, this

(37:41):
is an awesome scene.
The haircut scene is an awesomescene.
The interrogation is an awesomescene and and in between it you
have moments between nicholascage and sean connery which I
think are the the magic momentswhen them two are sharing the
screen together.
Um, but yeah, it's.
It's just hard not to like.
I mean, it's a, but it's almosta buddy, a buddy comedy, I
could, I guess.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
I guess by definition , sure, yeah, I'd agree with
that, corey.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Cool.
Any other final thoughts?
Before we decide to do thething that we do, I would ask
one more question.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
We're about to recast these two, well, a few people
in this movie.
If this film, I mean in termsof chemistry between two men and
I'm going to say two men,because there are two men in
this movie sure can you think ofany other film where there's
chemistry that I mean outside ofmichael base and no bad boys
here.
Okay, can you think of a goodchemistry like them two?
Like because they're bothopposites, and I think it works

(38:39):
when they're just two completelydifferent people.
Can you think of like a film ora film where two actors just
nail it, kill it.
The chemistry just carries themovie besides this, like one
that kind of tops the rock.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Hmm, I mean you could probably put die hard with a
vengeance up there with.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Jackson and Bruce Willis.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
That's a lot of fun.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Yeah, that's a good one, yeah,cause they are having fun,
aren't they In?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
that film.
You could argue that oceans 11,Brad Pitt and Clooney, if it's,
if you're, but it's more of anensemble and it is really just
those two.
It's like a stomach balance,Isn't it?
Them too.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
But but another Clooney is from dusk till dawn.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
What about Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean, that's the one.
I think that's the other one.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
That's probably it I would say that's the one to beat
, wouldn't you?
If I think classic duos, I meanthat's got to be it, I mean
it's magic.
It's two completely differentpeople, two cultures, two
different worlds throughout twofree movies.
Yeah, I think that is the oneto beat in terms of.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I think it just it defines what it should be, that
genre, yeah, I would also throwout Will Smith and Tommy Lee
Jones in Men in Black becausethat's a young and old dynamic
as well.
That's really good, you know, areal up-and-comer with a
seasoned vet that just play offeach other super well.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I love that we need a buddy cop movie in the MCU.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Is there not?
One already Athow and Lennon'smade a lot of movies together.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Oh, like Grumpy, Old Men yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is there a buddy cop one?
I would say.
The Winter Soldier and theFalcon are buddy comedy films.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Oh yeah, they try to be very serious.
They try to be kind of seriouswith that one too.
I think that's what pulls it alittle away from its full
potential.
Honestly, the new CaptainAmerica movie probably should
have been a buddy cop movie withhim and Bucky.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
To be honest, I thought so as well, because they
did the TV series and that wasokay, but it wasn't too much of
them to like.
I think you know stark andcaptain america had the
potential to do a buddy comedy,but they it's just going on in
civil war that there wasn'tenough time to just have to.
They had a moment in the game,didn't they?
When they went back in timeyeah, yeah, there's, there's.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
There's been pairings , not not full movies built
around yeah, yeah, true, true,yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You're absolutely right there.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I mean, we have any loki and thor, loki and hulk, or
I mean I mean have Loki andThor, loki and Thor, loki and
Hulk.
I mean Thor and Hulk.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
We haven't even mentioned the actual prototype
of Gibson and Glover.
That's true.
It's literally the buddy cop.
Blueprint.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Or you go back to 48 Hours.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
But Gibson and Glover got way more movies out of
theirs.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I retract my statement.
Okay, hold on.
It's notucker and jackie chan.
It is mel gibson and dannyglover.
I mean, I just love those films.
They're just so good and justthey are they're still trying to
make one more, yeah yeah, Ihope they do.
Isn't the director then,richard donner?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
he passed, yeah, and he gave permission to gibson to
direct the last one so he'sdoing the passion.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Uh, sequel, isn't he at the moment?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
yeah, I guess he's doing.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, the christ too yeah, the return of this.
What's the sequel?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I think it's about him, either when he gets back
from his three days or it'sabout the three days okay, I
watched this podcast with joerogan and joe rogan asked him
like, what is the story behindthe sequel?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
when he goes well, I'm gonna try and tackle
something that's never beenbefore.
He doesn't have to visualize it, and he's basically.
He hinted, well, he didn't hit.
He's confirmed it now that he'sgonna show scenes in hell and
heaven.
Uh, because he needs to showwhy the people in hell are so
attracted to people on earth,and he's trying to show that
narrative in a film.
And he wasn't sure how he wasgonna do that, but he is gonna

(42:23):
give it a go, apparently, sookay since hollywood won't make
paradise lost, he's gonna makeparadise lost.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Man, I was really excited.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I was really excited about paradise lost as a film.
Like they, they're a littleafraid to tackle all of the
heaven and hell stuff.
I feel like a little bit, andunderstandably so yeah, no, they
should, they should definitelydo it.
I don't think I've seen a goodfilm that really takes that
seriously, honestly well, nowwe're in this age where a lot of
like you know the biblicalepics, the greek epics that

(42:51):
we've seen in the past thatfeatured the gods or god uh
proper, like they, the, the uh,cgi.
The effects weren't up to dateto like, really, I felt like the
clash of the titans movies dida decent job of portraying them,
but the movies themselves justdidn't hold up.
So I I would be excited forlike, like uh, nolan's uh
odyssey I'm excited to see whathow far he goes into it, but.

(43:13):
But he's also grounded inreality, so I don't know how
much we're going to get to see.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
So well, that's the thing I think it's just going to
be.
I don't think there's going tobe much in terms of cv.
I think it'll be an epic, but Idon't think there'll be much
special effects going on, sure Ithink it'd be like a journey,
which I guess will be.
Yeah, but yeah, gibson glover,yeah, I like that well, cory ash
, are you ready?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
is it time?
it's time man all right but yeah, for those of you that have
never followed the show before,this is the part that we have
our title off of.
We recast things forwards,backwards, different casts and
stuff.
This year it's all about freewill and dealing, so each of us
have our own cast.
We don't have a uh quoteunquote director that's going to
pick between two of our casts.
We're just giving our visionsfor different versions of this

(43:56):
movie.
So, uh, I'm doing just theusual standard of a modern
recasting of it, but you guysare doing something unique.
Both of you are.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yes.
What is Ash doing?
I have no idea what Ash isdoing.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I am picking or recasting actors from the Rock
that have appeared in a DCproduction.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
DC.
Okay, that's a little bitharder than MCU.
I was like, if you did MCU,you're just going to make
whatever Nick makes.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Just every popular actor ever of the modern era has
showed up in one of thosemovies.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Okay, all right, I we're coming off.
We're coming off WrestleManiaweekend, that's true.
So I'm doing all pro wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I love that.
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
But I am.
I'm not doing like all time.
I am doing current or aliveLike can play the part currently
.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That's so much more fun than mine.
I could put Al Snow as Mason orsomething.
Oh man, I'm looking forward toyour list.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Corey.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I did not make my list.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I am so sorry.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm looking forward to your list, Corey.
Honestly, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
So, as we always do, we have some you know what we
call the 30 seconds of our listare under the radar characters,
and then we have like six, whatwe have quote unquote, main
character types.
But we'll just I believe wejust agreed that we would just
go up the list and each of uswould present our characters and
just keep going that way.
Yes, so to keep it simple.
So, if you're listening, justtry to keep along with us.

(45:27):
We'll try to keep reminding youwhat everybody's doing and
we'll go from there.
Corey, do you want to flip theimaginary three way coin to see
who goes first?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I should probably just I cast it more than y'all,
ok, so I should probably justtidy up a little bit at the
bottom, okay, okay, because Iwill say this I think a really
fun thing about this movie isthat not only does Ed Harris is
this anti-villain, but he alsomanages to find a bunch of
Marines to go along with them.
True, you know and one of thebest parts of this movie, though

(45:56):
, is you have Marines that areon his side, that they're doing
it for what they believe is aninjustice, and then you actually
have Marines that are like theyare genuine psychopaths, right,
and they want to be like evil.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
They, you know, like there's also a believable like
reason for what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yes, and so like it, it is interesting, and so I do
think a lot of like the reallyfun thing about this movie is
there's weirdly a lot ofwell-known people playing these
marines with.
Like, yeah, like like, john cmcginley is one of the bad guys
you know, everyone knows himfrom scrubs.
Okay, um, he's literally one ofthe like bad guy marines you

(46:33):
have.
Bokeem woodbine is like one youknow and like.
So I mean, there's all thesekind of like recognizable faces
in the background of thesemovies.
So I just wanted to make I justgave, I made a list of who I
think should be backgroundmarines.
Okay, that is going to be samoajoe, adam, page, swerve,
strickland, jade, garfield, ray,ripley, kitty, omega.

(46:53):
Those are.
Those are just backgroundthrough in rhea ripley.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, he got us a nice badass female marine and
jade car like okay, okay,they're massive, they're both
massive they are, they are sobut like, but you know what I'm
saying.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Like you have like the one and Jade Cargill,
they're massive, they're bothmassive, they are.
But you have the one that's asniper, you have the one that
boxes Sean Connery.
There's all these no-nameMarines that get these weird
moments in the movie, so I wasjust going to fill those out
with some wrestlers Okay.
I also casted the president.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
That is Ric Flair.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Who else?
Who else?
Ric Flair is the presidentbecause he has to give a promo.
Only thing he does in thismovie is just give a promo all
right, okay, no bumps.
No bumps in this movie um, andthen, uh, I did cast john c
mcginley and bokeem woodbine'scharacters, just because they do
have like kind of lines andthings, um, and that is seth
rollins and roman reigns okay,yeah, all right, and that's

(47:40):
that's who those are.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Who, what characters?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
uh, john c mcginley plays captain hendrix and uh,
bokeem woodbine plays sergeantcrisp.
I have seth rollins, thesergeant crisp.
Um, he's gonna get shot in thethroat.
Um, during the mexican standoff, of course.
And uh, roman reigns will beset on fire during the uh, mine
cart chase.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Okay, so nice, nice, very nice, very nice.
I like it, I like the shielddown.
Okay, some more to go maybe, soall right.
Well, I met Captain Fry andCaptain Darrow.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yes, is that where you're at now?
That's where we started, Ibelieve.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Okay, Ash, are you on pace with us as well?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I am now on pace.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, I mean, I'm really looking forward to those
Marines Excellent excellent,looking for, really afforded
those, seeing those, uh, marines, excellent, sorry.
So, uh, I'll give you the quick, the quick rundown for these
characters.
Uh, captain fry is played bygregory, spore leader.
He's in twister, blackhawk down, true romance.
And then you have, obviously,tony todd playing captain darrow
of candy man.
Final destination, the crow andhatchet in 2006, apparently,
yes.
So, uh, tony todd improvisedseveral of his uh, more intense

(48:39):
lines and, uh, and Gregory, heleaned into the manic energy for
Fry, yes, staying in characterbetween takes.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
These are two of the Marines that genuinely are not
bluffing.
They intend on fully killing.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
San Francisco if they don't get paid Right.
Yes, they're the ones that turnfully.
They do a double heel turn.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
They're, weirdly, the only genuine heels in the movie
.
It's true, it's these two guys.
Yeah, I mean, some of the otherMarines are also bad guys, but
these are the two primaryvillains, because Ed Harris and
David Morse are, like, not theiranti-villain.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Right.
So yeah, for sure, for sure,ash, as the guest of the episode
, I will have you go first withyour cast list.
And it's DC, only DC actors.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, well, I've actually I've made it harder for
myself, so I've picked a yearand I've gone for a theme.
So I've done DC in the year1994.
Around, yeah, around that area94?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
94, yeah, 94.
So you're getting actors fromthat period of time, or they are
like current DCU.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Basically, I will be casting them as they look in
1994.
Okay, I will be casting them asthey look in 1994.
Okay, okay, cool, go rightahead, okay.
So basically, I have got forFry good old, and this is
staying with the themes of DCScar himself.
Jeremy Irons I've got, and ifyou look at a picture of him in
1994, I believe he was doing thevoice of Scar at the time.

(49:59):
Yes, he's a very young fit.
I mean, you've seen Die hardwith a vengeance.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I mean he's so good.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, he's a great shape for um.
I mean, if he was in 40s and Ithink he takes that role quite
well as one of the marines, thatsort of takes on the villainous
role at the end and sees itthrough um and obviously the
references is he plays alfred inthe batman, which and snyder
did which some hate and somelove, which is so sure, sure, I

(50:27):
think he was a standout fromthat for sure oh yeah, I mean, I
think jeremy irons is one ofthose actors that can make a bad
film quite good just by beingin it, kind of like what you
were saying about uh, um uh, samrockwell.
But yeah, so I've casted him asum fry.
Did you want to go with yourfry, cory, or should I just go
through my list?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
you can give me your fry.
I mean, give me both.
I think we're doing them as apair okay.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So fry, I've got jeremy eyes and then, paired up
with fry, I have got fromcliffhanger, uh, or maybe, you
know, from the walking dead,michael rooker, uh okay yeah,
and I think just the way I thinkhe plays.
I don't think he was sort oftypecast as a villain yet,
because he played quite a goodcharacter in cliffhanger with
sly yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
He's.
He's playing like the friend ina lot of movies like days of
thunder and stuff, exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I think later on he becomes typecast as a villain,
uh, kind of like how Liam aftertwo are taken.
So yeah, if um, and he's gotthat face, he's got that
attitude, he's got that slur.
So I think him paired up withJeremy Irons, him and Michael
Rooker same sort of height, samesort of antagonistic manners
about them I think that would bea pretty cool pair to actors
that can lurk in the backgroundbehind our Hummel and Morse, um

(51:36):
or Baxter sorry, but yeah, Ithink they bring, and they're
both filthy in DC movies.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Michael Rooker will be in Mallrats the following
year, in 95, or he will go heal.
Ok, so that's the start of his90s, 1994 DC cast.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
OK, so, Corey who do you have, for it's a modern
wrestling cast?
Yes, for Captain Darrow playedtony todd.
Um, you obviously need a like animposing figure, because he's
kind of like the biggest guyyeah like there he's kind of
this muscle, um, also a littleunhinged, and honestly I just
need someone that can say Idon't like that soft ass shit
right before.
We're talking about two of themost creative deaths with these
two characters.
Sure, like tony todd literallyhas a rocket shot at him which

(52:20):
throws him out of window and hegets impaled on like a rebar.
A lot of impaling, yes, um hegoes out like a G and then crit
or a fry, gets the, the VX gasput in his mouth and then
punched and melts.
Um, turns out VX gas is real, bythe way.
Oh, and the science is thatpretty much what they say
happens to you happens.
They said it's pretty rough.
Pretty much what they sayhappens to you happens, they

(52:43):
said it's pretty rough.
Wow.
So I looked it up.
They got this movie, got a lotof the science right by VX.
They said it's not a gas, it'sactually like a jelly form which
they kind of show in this inthe more gelatin, yeah.
So for Darrow I have theUndertaker.
Okay, so the Undertaker will beplaying that character, because
I think he just is large andimposing and he probably doesn't
listen to Elton John.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Is this like American Badass Taker?
Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
yeah, they're not going to be in their gear.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
They're acting, they're acting, yeah, yeah, yeah
, just confirming.
This is like if WWE made thismovie.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Okay, got it, got it.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
He's not going to like.
Sit up after being impaled inhis hat, hailed in his, in his
hat, now, um, he'll be, he'll bedead, um, and then fry.
There's, it's dean ambrose.
It's john moxley.
Okay, okay, john moxley, thewiry, crazy guy that's just
completely off his rocker he'sjust ready to like go nuts with
it and so I have the wholeshield in the the bad guys.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Okay, nice, nice very cool very cool, all right for
For my modern cast a little lessfun.
But for Gregory Sparger'sCaptain Fry character I'm giving
you Jack O'Connell.
You know him from the recentSinners movie.
He is the lead vampire.
He does incredible in thatmovie by the way, I immediately
was like, yeah, he can playunhinged and just ready to do

(53:59):
whatever it takes kind of role.
And then for Captain Darrow,I'm giving you Yaha Abdul-Maheen
.
He's in the Watchmen series.
He's also Black Manta inAquaman movies.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
He's in the modern Candyman.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
He's in Ambulance.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Was that your go-to?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
That was not, but that works out he also plays
Candyman, he's also CandymanNick.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And so, alright, I like that.
That was a happy accident.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It was, it was.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Andy Mann, who's been in the Michael Bay film.
I like it Very good, there wego.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yeah, another man, that's right.
That's right, all right, wehave up.
Next I have Commander Anderson.
Do you guys have an Andersonplayed by Michael Bean?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh yes, absolutely all right.
This character is the bestcharacter in this movie by far
and he get.
It's the best scene that I willnot give that order scene.
It's shot perfectly.
He delivers the lines well.
Apparently michael bean wasreally insecure filming because
he was in navy seals with um, uh, what's his name?

(54:57):
Uh, charlie sheen, the 80smovie?
Yeah, navy seals, but that wasa ridiculous 80s action movie
that wasn't grounded in realityand in this movie.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It's grounded in some reality and a lot of the Navy
Seals are actual Navy Seals andhe's like they're gonna make fun
of me because I was in thatgoofy Navy Seals movie in the
80s, and so he nailed this.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, so you need a good promo, nick.
So I'm bringing you the best inthe world on the mic.
Oh shit, cm punk.
Wow, okay, is gonna be mycommander anderson.
I love that.
He's going excellent, excellent.
He will not give that order.
He cannot give that order youknow that order exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Oh, if you don't know michael bean, uh, he is in such
noble movies as the Terminator,aliens, the Abyss and Tombstone
, tombstone.
Yeah, johnny Ringo has a great80s to 90s run and I feel like
this is probably what caps itoff a little bit A notable
supporting act.
End to the movie.
Did he do anything else?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Sorry, Michael Bean, did he do anything?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
He was in.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen.
That was in the 80s, correct?
I'm not sure what he did.
Let's ask the internet.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
He sort of disappeared, didn't he?
He did.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
He went off the radar a little bit.
I wonder what happened to oldMichael Biehn.
It's not spelt B-E-A-N, it'sB-I-E-H-N, but it's said like
that.
He was in Greece.
Did you know this?
He was at Uncredited Rollins,greece, back in 1978.
So after this he was 40 at thetime of filming this movie.
So after this, the only notablethings that come up that I'm

(56:30):
recognizing if you're aNickelodeon kid Clockstoppers
was a movie that came out itmight be the Havoc movie that's
known more for the moreheel-turn version of Anne
Hathaway.
Just a lot of.
Anne Hathaway's boobs.
Yeah, he's in Grindhousesegments of Planet Tear and
Thanksgiving and then beyondthat it's nothing of no.

(56:55):
Take me home tonight if you'rean 80s fan.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I think like I can't be honest, but I've heard enough
Michael Bean on podcast that hedoes.
He's kind of like a shootinterview where he will just
trash everyone he's ever workedwith oh wow and so I think he
might have just got a bad repokay yeah, that's probably what
it is.
Then, that's probably what it isso and I think he like had some
missteps or some recastingsthat really hurt him, like um

(57:20):
kind of when he was on top ofthings, like I think he got
replaced in movies.
You know, it's kind of likeI've heard interviews that sound
very close to like.
Only I mean, he's a very coolguy and it seems like everything
he says is like true, unlikecory feldman who's now going
around saying like he wasoriginally supposed to be in
titanic and all this stuff andthat johnny downer killed his
career.
He's just saying nonsense atthis point okay, and so I don't

(57:41):
think it's like that, but I dothink he had some.
He got removed from some movies, like by directors or something
that didn't want to work withhim and I think he just got real
, you know whatever.
I think that's what happened,okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Well, now we have a nice solid background on michael
bean.
Sorry, uh.
No, you're good, you're good,uh, ash, who did you pick for
commander anderson?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
yeah, I actually like these roles because you give, I
guess, an actor who has somesort of gravitas, someone who's
a name, a very small role and Ibet when that actor reads the
script it's like I've got thisreally big scene in the shower
scene, yeah, um, but one scenewith mason explained in the sort
of procedure and that's it.
So he's got like two or threebig scenes, but that third scene
, kind of like how Corey said,was one of his favorite scenes.

(58:21):
You've got to nail it andthat's his job.
So I've picked someone who candeliver a good monologue or a
good speech, even at this pointof his career in 1994.
So he lied about his age inApocalypse.
Now you haven't seen him asMorpheus yet, but Boys in the
Hood, you could definitely getthat authoritative figure.

(58:45):
I think you just immediatelyknow he's someone that you're
going to follow and listen to,and for sure there's a big
debate in, uh, my group offriends.
We think he has a better voicethan morgan freeman um, so
that's an arguable.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
That's arguable.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I would say it's pretty good, yeah, no, I just
think.
Yeah, morgan freeman has alovely voice, but I mean, if you
listen voice, but if someonegives him the opportunity to
narrate a documentary or justnarrate, it's a beautiful voice
when he speaks, it's just gold.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
What's the scientist's name that has?
He does all the discussions.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Lawrence Fishburne was on his channel and, like
they were doing, they weretalking about who had the deeper
voice and I was like why islaurence fishburne voicing god
more in movies?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I know exactly, um.
So, yeah, we have this debatewhere we think he has the.
I think it's like the.
You know, morgan freeman's theeasier man to believe because he
narrates a lot of films likeshawshank, redemption and seven,
and I think he continued.
He played god um and he doesdocumentaries on planet earth.
But yeah, lawrence fishburne, Imean his voice, it does the
same job.
For me it's beautiful.

(59:50):
But, um, yeah, I just thinkhe's just sort of got lost in
the wind and sort ofovershadowed by morgan, you know
, rightfully.
So some could argue sure, sure,anyway, he's, he's who I'm
picking for, commander addison.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I think that i's a solid, especially early Lawrence
Fishburne, like you said, boysin the Hood.
He's still very much a youngman but he's got a presence
about him for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, and I don't think he will be screaming it
like Michael Biehn.
I think he'll bring somethingdifferent to the monologue.
I don't think he'll go.
I will not give that order.
I think it'll be more like agritty.
I will not give that order.
Kind of a more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
His voice will just carry on its own.
There's no need for shoutingfor him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yes, exactly, it's the tone of his voice that will
just sort of get the messageacross.
But yeah, that's who I'vepicked for Commander Anson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Excellent Guys.
We're going back to the moderntimes and for this role I'm
picking Ben Foster.
All right, normally he'dprobably be one of the crazy
Marines, but I'm like goodlittle face.
Turn here for old Ben Foster.
Yeah, our mascot Marv hasattacked the stage.
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Uncall for Marv.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
He's a cat.
If you aren't aware, he'sjumped all over the keyboards,
luckily not the main one.
That's important.
He was like I have something tosay, I got something better.
That's he's like I got a betterpick for you.
He's, he's an idiot.
Well, moving on to picks, nextI have Jade Angelo, who's played
by Claire for Leonie.
This is the daughter of SeanConnery's character, john Mason.

(01:01:19):
You might know her from mallrats a year from 94.
She's also in Meet Joe Black,and those are probably the two
main ones.
I think people know her fromSmall but significant character.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, beautiful lady.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
So I'll go first, since I haven't gone first yet
and this could show my hand alittle bit, but I'm giving you
for a modern casting.
I'm giving you Kiki Palmer.
Okay, little bit, but I'm givingyou, uh, for a modern casting,
I'm giving you kiki palmer, okay, okay, I think you know, yeah,
uh, she is most known probablyfor uh, akilah and the b and
she's in nope, correct.

(01:01:53):
And then she's in some otherthings, such as joyful noise,
scream queens, the tv show umone of them days from this year.
That was released earlier.
But I think she'll do a greatjob just being, you know, the
college student type.
And then she's suddenly out ofnowhere being like oh my dad,
you just showed up out ofnowhere.
Great, why should I care?
Kind of thing, corey, who doyou got next for wrestling?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I mean there's not a whole lot to say here, because
this character is in the moviefor about 25 seconds and we
never see her again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, I just what's Paige's name now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Soraya, not a whole lot to say here, because this
character's in the movie forabout 25 seconds and we never
see her again.
What's Paige's name now?
Soraya?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, I just picked her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Okay, soraya Paige I picked an irrelevant wrestler as
far as I'm concerned becauseit's an irrelevant role.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
That's fair.
She's a solid wrestler when shewants to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Ash, who do you have for Jadeade the daughter?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
uh, I have a very early a-lister um in this role
um, she does the flintstonesthat year, uh, with good old
john goodman, uh, and then laterdoes executive, one of my
favorite action movies in twoyears time.
So I'm going with hallie berry,sticking with the of dc and of

(01:03:05):
course, 1994 a young, beautifulhallie berry, I think, is a a
good pick for a very, very smallrole.
Um gotcha gotcha so to clarify.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Just just to clarify for audience listeners you're
picking characters that are notjust the dcu.
These are characters that haveplayed within dc in general.
So exactly correct, yes, very,very cool, very cool, very cool,
awesome.
Yeah, I feel like we've coveredDCU.
These are characters that haveplayed within DC in general.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Exactly correct, yes, Very cool, very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
We've covered what all needs to be said.
It's a very small role and it'sjust meant to pull some
heartstrings for the John Masoncharacter, for sure.
Alright, let's round out.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
You said she was big in Meet Joe Black.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Do you remember the bad guy in mission impossible 2?
Yes, so them two are married inreal life, which I really yeah,
yeah, they've been and they'restill married and they live in
england and still, and that'swhy they uh, you don't probably
see her as much as you thinkshe's just happily married in
england at the moment, I think,or maybe scott if that works for

(01:04:02):
you, then by all means.
Yeah, Dougray Scott, that's him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Dougray Scott.
Yeah, he was supposed to beWolverine.
He was one of the finalists forWolverine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
He was the first pick for it as well.
How that could have gone anydifferently that would have
shifted lots of realities.
Yeah, massively.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Up next we have Ernest paxton, played by william
forsyth.
Uh, you might know him fromraisin, arizona, out for justice
the devil's rejects, and onceupon a time in america, in 84,
this is a no-nonsense fbi agent.
Uh, he's one of the fewgovernment officials, though,
that's willing to listen to goodspeed and mason's efforts
inside alcatraz.
So he's the kind of guy like uh, hear him out, hear him out a
second.
He represents the jaded guylike hear him out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Hear him out in a second.
He represents the jaded FBI guy.
He hasn't gotten his like.
He's not into all like the.
How corrupt everything is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
He's still like.
He's still the Boy Scout.
That's still like everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Hey, we do this because we love America.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Right, yeah, he hasn't realized that everyone
else around him is just hidingall these horrible secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah and saying oh, we actually do really terrible
things.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Okay, corey, do you want to go first?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yes, so I'm bringing you a guy who I still think
believes America's better thanit is.
Cody Rhodes is my Ernest Paxton.
He's just going to playstraight man FBI agent.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Believable Blonde hair or dark hair Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
We're going to have.
The dyes are dark.
I don't think the FBI allowsbleach blonde.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
That's your problem, right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That's probably a dress code thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Just the adrenaline's still in his soul, though, but
he's still going to have agoofy-ass American flag skull
tattoo on his neck.
For some reason they're notgoing to get rid of that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
No, it's like I've always been with one of the
Brotherhood guys.
Don't worry, that's my guy.
I mean again, it's not a wholelot, you can say.
William Fortescue is a reallyfun character actor.
He plays a great villain in a90s action movie called
Firestorm but other than thatyou're playing the straight guy
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Ash, who from DC history do you have for us?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I do.
This is like stretching the dchistory and the year, so it's
more of a 2000 role, but the1994 one works.
I see this uh actor with amustache, actually much like the
actual character.
I've got a sort of a just outof the academy but is very
intelligent and has gone up thechains way quicker than he
should um kind of character andhe's sort of the actor that I

(01:06:26):
would consider lovable.
Uh, easily trust has played thevillain before, um quite
recently in a film I quite likedin 10 cloverfield lane.
I believe he's playing fredflintstone in 1994 but, I can
see a John Goodman kind ofcharacter.
So John Goodman and he's sort ofthe Hollywood coaster.

(01:06:47):
He's always relevant, he'salways in films and everyone
knows who he is and he's notparticularly the main character
in the last 20 years, but he hasbeen and was known for TV shows
, probably Fred Flintstone beingthe biggest one, but probably
the supporting character ofsupporting actors who you can
rely on.
But I think he makes a verygood sub-character here,

(01:07:09):
especially in the early 90s.
He's a big guy as well, so youhave that unwarranted trust
already on him.
So yeah, John Goodman, I'vealways wanted more for John
Goodman.
I wanted to see him at theAcademy because I feel like he
needs more recognition than he'sguessing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
I know he's pushing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
He's just one of those guys where I think I want
to see you do more.
I want to see you do more likesomething people, I just want
people to see you more.
You know what I mean.
He's that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Well, he has a couple golden globes for Roseanne
Barton Fink.
And then I'm trying to see hisscreen actor, guild Uh, he was
nominated.
He won for Argo, but he's beennominated for the artist Trumbo,
you don't know.
Jack and Roseanne.
I don't see any Oscar.
That's very strange.
You would think he would haveat least gotten one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
That's interesting he was in back-to-back oscar
picture, oscar winning pictures,so I'll go in the artist.
He was in both films.
So he's like the, the hollywoodcoaster, like he's always there
, but I just wanted someone inthat role.
You know where it's like.
Well, okay, that's, you know,there's john goodman, you know,
maybe he doesn't care about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Maybe he just does his thing.
He's not trying to get theoscar win, you know, yeah, I
love actors like that.
I like doesn't live in ladoesn't you know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
chase it, he's just content with making a living.
He's established enough.
He was already established inthe 80s anyway.
So yeah, but yeah, loved him,loved him crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Okay, we've taken care of the bottom half, now
we're going to take care of thetop six.
Here we'll'll get through this.
We're really wheeling anddealing.
Now, ash, I'm going to have yougo back to back for once.
We'll do like a snake styledraft thing that we do in the
past.
So our next character is CarlaPestalozzi.
Perhaps Pestalozzi, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I think in the movie they only ever call her Carla.
Yeah, this only ever call herCarla.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, this was an added thing into the script and
some character building going onLiterally just Nick Cage's
pregnant girlfriend.
Yes, played by Vanessa Marcel.
This is probably her mostnotable film role.
She's been in things likeStormwatch, the Nanny Express
and Stranded in Paradise in 2014.
But she is Nicolas Cage'scharacter's fiance.
She's initially unaware of thedanger he's about to face, but

(01:09:29):
remains a strong, you know,emotional anchor for him.
Yeah, so, that being said, ash,who?
Who's the one that keepsnicholas cage's character going
in your dc?
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
version of this movie in 1994 yeah, I've gone for one
of my favorite actresses,unfortunately I I could probably
cast her in every role, but I Ithink she suits this role
perfectly.
It's a very small role butshe's relatively, I would say,
actually unknown.
I think she's very much knownin the movie industry, but not
as much as a established actressin audience eyes.
So I'm going for someone whofrancis ford coppola said was

(01:09:54):
his favorite actress.
I'm going to go for a dianelane who is henry cavill's
mother in the movies.
You may know her from a filmcalled Unfaithful.
She was in a film called Jackwith Robin Williams.
I really love that film.
Also, in Streets of Fire, yeah,no, but last season of House of
Cards, that's right.

(01:10:15):
A very, very good looking woman,yes, but yeah, 1994, I mean,
she was a knockout.
I think she was married to JoshBrolin, I think.
Divorced now, uh, for a longtime.
But yeah, uh, I'll go for dianelane.
I think she will definitelyhave that sort of error, for,
you know, when she runs out ofthat fbi agent, it's like you
just be a bureau bonehead then,and then has that emotional
standpoint when they're about tobomb the island at the end.

(01:10:36):
So, yeah, I think she's got therange, definitely to be a good
actress.
Another woman I'd like to seedo more, but um, you know, there
you go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
That's hollywood for you cory wrestling I just wanted
a lovable, I went with bailey.
That's nice again it's a moviethat doesn't do a lot for women
no, there's only really twofemale characters in this movie
yeah um, and even like the funcharacters like the Alcatraz

(01:11:03):
tour guide in the in the gaybarber, are also men.
It's literally.
We just said there's only twowomen in this movie, and so this
one she actually gets some meatthough, and it's, it's, it's,
it's.
It's weird.
They kind of give Sean Conneryand Nicholas Cage the same
stakes, which is like someoneNicholas Cages is more fleshed

(01:11:25):
out.
He invited her there because hethinks it's a training exercise
and he tries to prevent herfrom getting there.
But then she's there and now hehas this stake and, like I have
to pull this off.
You know, because my pregnantgirlfriend's there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Right, she does really well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
So I thought Bailey would be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Yeah, Bailey's the lovable.
You know, baby face good guy.
She's played bad guys beforebut she's truly at her best when
she's a lovable, good person itwas between her sasha banks or
whatever she's called okay, yeah, yeah, mercedes monet yeah well
, uh, I'm gonna round this outwith my modern casting and I'm
going with someone who's kind ofa hot commodity right now, but
I you know there's again.

(01:11:58):
There's limited options here forour female actresses of the
time.
I'm giving you margaret qualiokay, the substance once upon a
time in Hollywood DriveawayDolls from last year or the year
before.
I think she's just solid.
She can be kind of the vixen,she can be kind of the lovable
lead of a movie.
So I think she's just very wellrounded and I think she'll just
have fun with this role inwhatever capacity she gets to

(01:12:20):
have of screen time, for sureyeah, I like that alright, up
next we have Director Womack.
Director Womack played by JohnSpencer.
You might know him fromPresumed Innocent Copland.
Are you noticing a theme?
The Negotiator.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
West Wing, he likes cop stuff he likes detective FBI
stuff.
He's a procedural characteractor.
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Head of the FBI, womack, is a bureaucratic and
basically just hates Mason.
He's the one that keeps himunder his thumb and wants to
lock him right back up rightafter the mission's over.
And it's fair, because Masontries to throw him off the side
of a building, which I alsodon't blame him for.
Yeah, he's a lot of fun thoughhe is, he's a lot of fun.
I will pick.
Corey.
Did you go first?

(01:13:05):
Ash went first.
You're going to?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
go first.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I'm going first, okay .

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
So this is a character that's a lot of fun.
It's mainly all about reallyover delivering your lines.
Yes, really, just chewing upyour lines for the last half
century.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
You know, I mean he's , it's Paul Heyman man, paul
Heyman can play it down and hecan play it upman man Paul
Heyman can play it down and hecan play it up as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Oh man, he's arguably the greatest manager in
wrestling history.
He is the greatest manager.
He has surpassed that one guy.
I forget what his name is.
That was the other, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Like Hulk Hogan's guy .
Yeah, the southern guy withevery wrestling fans just
disowned us.
Yeah, you know, he's got themegaphone, he's got the mullet
and the mustache and thesunglasses.
He came out.
Oh no, no, no, I'm not talkingabout Jimmy Hart.
Are you talking about GorillaMonsoon?

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
No, now it's going to bug me, man.
It's the one they put in a cageonce and they're like a Dominic
Mysterio?

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
No, like in a bunny suit, oh what?
No, it's an old.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
It's an old Heenan.
Oh, ok, bobby Heenan.
I think Paul Heyman isofficially past Bobby Heenan,
that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
So how many people has he now managed for that have
gone on to become superstars?

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Too many.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Too many, too many to count, wow, well, I will go
next.
Just to keep things rotating, Iwas tempted to do a female here
, and it sense because, like youknow, you hate Mason, you could
play off the whole idea thatyou hate women.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
What are you trying to say?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
No, I'm playing off the idea that, like you know,
she, she could be like a score.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
It would be a good gender bend.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to gamble, I'm going to
gamble a little bit and I'mgoing to give you I like it.
I think she can play steely,she can play like no nonsense
and she may not be able to turnit up to the level that John
Spencer does, but in a modernversion I think it'll work
better.
Think of her in that Rock ofAges movie that perfect musical

(01:14:58):
ruined by a lead actor, Don'tremind me Corey Corey, we have
to recast that oh my gosh.
Ash have you ever seen Rock ofAges?
Yeah, I didn't know, tom Cruisecould sing Neither did we, but
it was all ruined by whateverhis name was.
That was the lead actor,freaking Diego or whatever his
name is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
It wasn't.
It had good bits in the movie,yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Forever blacklisted on the podcast.
If anybody else tries to casthim, I will immediately sabotage
it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Diego Bonetta.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Yeah, else tries to cast him, I will immediately
sabotage it.
No, get out of here.
Diego Bonetta yeah, I'm surehe's a fine, lovable, great guy
but, Manny should not have beenin that movie, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
No, no, no.
Ash now that we've gone off ourtangent, who do you have for
director Romack in the 94 DCcast?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah, so again, the 94 should probably go a bit
higher, probably more 2006.
Only 12 years out, I've got theyear wrong here, but the actor
that I would like to the genderbend is actually quite an
interesting idea, which Ithought was that.
So that's quite cool.
Catherine Zeta-Jones is yeah,definitely yeah, I do like that

(01:16:04):
one.
But yes, the actor I've gonefor he was acting in 1994, but I
think an older version wouldprobably be better.
Um it, uh, one of my favoriteactors who is actually in a film
, uh, that is never going to beseen by anyone, ever, because
it's called the film that willnever be seen and they put it in
a time capsule, um, for the,for 100 years.

(01:16:26):
So I think it's going to bereleased in 2189, um, and it's.
I can't remember who directedit, but the actor who's in it is
in john, is john malkovich andhe's very good playing.
I think he's actually better atplaying good roles as well,
because he's very much typecastas the antagonist and he's got
that face, but he's very easy tohate.
Um, and you know what you weresaying last half century.

(01:16:48):
He's very exaggerative and he'sgot that face, but he's very
easy to hate and what you weresaying last half century.
He's very exaggerative and he'sgot that Pete Garsgaard voice
as well, which does carry a lotof flair, that sort of southern
drawl, which is really good.
But yeah, I can relate to aMason character hating a John
Malkovich character and moststereotypical John Malkovich
characters.
You end up hating his characteranyway, but you always have to

(01:17:10):
admire his performance as well.
So, yeah, john Malkovich.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
John Malkovich in man in the Air Mask face.
Uh good guy.
Role played Athos one of themusketeers.
Yeah yeah, notable one for surefor sure he's also.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
He's also the good guy in um Changeling, which was
um, which I really.
I was like, wow, clint eastwood, who put him in in a line of
fire where he plays a bad guy.
Yeah, I'm in a good role.
So clint eastwood used him inboth roles and he was really
good as a good.
Good, uh, he's a detectiveactually nice yeah, so yeah go
malkovich excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
All right, that completes that round.
So up next we have major tombaxter.
Major Tom Baxter, major TomBaxter, you've recognized him.
David Morse is this characteractor probably most notably
three mile.
Also Disturbia, hurt Locker andWorld War Z in 2013.
Corey, he's 42 at this time.
He shadowed real militarypersonnel to prepare for the
role, and him and Ed Harrispreviously worked on the abyss

(01:18:06):
together in 89.
For the role, and him and edharris previously worked on the
abyss together in 89.
So hummel's jesus, loyal secondin command to ed harris's
villain or anti-villain.
He initially supports the causebut questions the methods as
things start to spiral, spiralout of control a bit.
Um, I'll go first here.
I guess I am going to give youa probably roughly around the
same age of filming, but I'mgiving you jesse plemons I like

(01:18:27):
it.
Oh, I think this seems like agood plenons role yeah, like
starts off kind of like he lookslike a villain, acts like a
villain and then becomes,switches over with ed harris at
the end as well.
So that's that's who I got forthe modern cast.
Uh ash, who do you have foryour dc cast?

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
yeah, so I've gone for someone.
Uh, honestly, we're gonna haveto get rid of this 1994 thing,
because I've just completelygone above that, okay you're a
dc cast ash, yeah, dc cast.
Uh, the the first three or fourwere very much on the nose of
that.
Um, I've gone for someone who'sa bit on the nose with david
morse and david morse, you know,he was in disturbia, green mile
, the rock, um, world war z aswell.

(01:19:03):
Uh, briefly, yep, yep, yep,someone I kind of wish, because
he had a good face and he had agood.
You know, he's very tall man.
I thought this is an actor I'dlike to see in more things, kind
of like john goodman, andunfortunately sort of just
didn't get the roles.
Kind of like the aaron eckhartagent thing I think happened
with him as well.
But someone who, who he remindsme of, is, um, someone who's
just becoming, who's been aroundfor a while but is getting

(01:19:25):
quite big at the moment.
He's actually on tour at themoment with the new thunderbolts
movie and that, um, strangerthings, david harbour.
Um, and I think he's a bit tooon the nose of david morse,
who's always tall, kind of don'tknow where he stands, but he's
got that good face kind of thing.
Uh, stranger things, playinghopper.
Uh, you know, he's got thatvery nice space where you just

(01:19:46):
know he's okay, he's not a badperson, and I think David Morse
has that, especially if youwatch him in the Negotiator like
he's meant to be.
They're trying to swing you tobelieve he's the bad or the rat
in this whole maze, but you justknow he's doing his job.
But yeah, david Morse, davidHarbour sorry would be for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Excellent, excellent, corey WWE.
Ae.
Sorry, yeah, it would be.
Yeah, for sure.
Excellent, excellent cory wwe.
Auw tna.
Who's who's who you picking?

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
john cena, john cena, yeah, that's right, john cena's
playing second in command, tomy humble, wow, but I think I
think that's what john cenashould play in this movie.
That's fair, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
He's gonna be the tweener okay, I originally had
randy orton okay, yeah, thatmakes sense, but I wanted cena.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah, okay I wanted cena cena can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
It's reminiscent of his role in bumblebee it's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
It's just also cena's face can be very stoic and
david morse has a stoic face?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
yeah for sure, excellent, excellent.
We're at the top three,gentlemen, and we're going to
start with the villain oranti-villain, depending on your
stance uh, general hummel,played by the legendary ed
harris ed harris absolutelylegendary uh known for things
such as the abyss, apollo 13,beautiful mind, the westworld tv
series as the man in the blackhat.

(01:20:59):
Uh also recently in uh what'sthe movie with kristen stewart
that we just watched last year,the great pulpy uh muscle muscle
girl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
That movie was awesome and I can't remember
what it's called.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
My brain just shut down, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Love lies bleeding.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Thank you, thank you.
We had two lesbian love storiesthat were great in the last
year, so that was the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
I love that movie.
That was way better than Ithought it would be Ed Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yes, his character in this is General hummel, as
we've talked about this highlydecorated but disillusioned us
marine general.
He's leading this rogue groupto kind of hold san francisco
hostage, just uh, they'redemanding justice for his fallen
men and, like we said, despitethe drastic actions, at the end
he kind of blinks and decideslike I'm not doing this and kind
of gets some redemption.
So who went first last?

(01:21:48):
Did you go first last?
I went last last.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Okay, you go first this time okay, so john cena is
playing second two.
It had it's duane johnson.
Oh my gosh, you're right.
Okay, it's duane johnson itbeing a good villain, because
he's done, he's been a greatbaby face and a great villain in
wrestling that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
And I think it's just going to be nice, john Cena
backing Dwayne Johnson.
Dwayne Johnson, even thoughhe's more powerfully imposing,
he is not a bad actor.
He delivers lines, yeah, andyou're going to believe that
he's capable of murder.
But you're going to believe itwhen he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It's very much the rock to be like I'm going to be
a villain, but you're going tobelieve it when he doesn't.
It's very much the rock to belike I'm going to be a villain,
but at the end I'm a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Yeah, and also that, also, that, also that I will
never go full heel ever again inmy life.
I'm going to sign onto a DCmovie, that for a villain, but I
demand to be the hero, so it's,it's, it's, it's on brand.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
I, I love it, it's good, I like that.
Meta on point.
Just like we need in a quantumrecast.
Sometimes I will go last onthis one, ash.
Who do you have for GeneralHummel?

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, I wanted someone where you can figure out
if he's good or bad.
I think Ed Harris is actuallyone of those characters who
always plays quite a loudcharacter, but he's always on
the good side of the narrative,kind of like Apollo 13.
He's a very authoritative,shouty person well not actually
that shout, but the abyss.
He's quite an aggressive guy aswell.
He's the main character, sure?

(01:23:18):
Uh, history of violence, um,anyway, but yes, the person I've
gone for, I you know I had alook at morgan freeman, but I
just don't think people wouldbelieve morgan freeman is bad
and people just know, do it.
But I would.
I do think he could do thatrole.
I think he has playing a fewlike corrupt people, but I don't
think he has.
I've been as a film called thecontract with john cusack, but
he plays a fugitive and it'sjust very hard to believe, uh,

(01:23:41):
morgan freeman.
So the person I've gone forinstead, um, obviously morgan
freeman in dc, but I've gone forsomeone else in dc, um, in the
same film as a morgan freeman dcmovie, and that is a liam
neeson who would change hiscareer in 2008 from taken plays
raz al-dul.
Uh, spoiler alert for batmanbegins um, it's not ken wannabe

(01:24:01):
and yeah I feel like he is aactor who is got this dual
persona where you don't know ifhis compass is pointing north or
south, and could very easilyflick halfway through, kind of
like Batman Begins in a way.
He does kind of play ananti-hero in that movie as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
He has a cause and a belief, but he's an extremist.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
It's sort of that role in Batman Begins in the
Rock is a bit transferable.
Imagine that, so, imagine that.
So that's who I'm going forLiam Neeson.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Very nice, very nice.
Well, I'm going to round thisout, because I also weirdly
picked another Batman villainfrom the same trilogy for my
pick.
I picked Tom Hardy to playGeneral Hummel.
I think you're going to have acharismatic villain, but it's
going to be hardy, so he's goingto find some way to make it a
little unique, a little twist inthere, but then, yeah, he'll be

(01:24:55):
the one that's like nah, welost, we can't make this call
anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
We got to move on no.
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Yeah, I like that one .
Excellent, all right.
Top two John Mason first, sincehe's not the lead, but he's
Sean Connery for sure.
We've spoken about him already.
If you don't know him by now,just Google it.
If you haven't been listening,it's okay, we understand.
The TV was on.
You were watching something,sean Connery.
He's playing James Bond,basically in the movie.
I'll go first this time.

(01:25:24):
I'm going to bring you one ofCorey's favorites.
I'll go first this time.
I'm going to bring you one ofCorey's favorites, a man from
England himself, I believe IdrisElba.
That's right For John Mason.
I'll take it, it's all rightthere, he should be a Bond.
He should have been a Bond.
He could still be a Bond.
Come on man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Pull the trigger.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Just do it already, I know, Come on, amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
He's aging a bit now, which is fine.
We'll play into that a littlebit.
We can age him up even a littlebit if we want to, and I think
he's just going to have real funchemistry, the same way Connery
would with our lead, incredibleFor sure.
All right, ash, you'll go next,so give us your DC, john Mason.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, I have gone for a actor who has one of my
favorites uh, if I'm a favoriteactor of all time notoriously
played Lex Luthor in a Supermanmovie.
Uh, I'm going for not, notJesse Eisenberg, not Kevin
Spacey, but good old and thelate, unfortunate Gene Hackman.
Uh, I'd go for Hummel and thiswould this would be in 1994,

(01:26:26):
kind of Kind of imagine thecharacter in Crimson Tide, okay,
the role of Mason, and heobviously lived to a very
healthy age of 90.
He was pretty much veryindependent, but he was very
well-apped in his 60s and 70s,much like Sean Connery, and I

(01:26:48):
could see he's got theoppression, the fighting not so
much, but there's not muchfighting or like combat in the
movie that he has to do.
He gets punched a few times buthe just you know two or three
moves or equipment to help him,but he is playing an old person
so he can't play on that.
So I think that's somethingbelievably that gene hackman can
portray and he's not scottishbut he's got a very.

(01:27:10):
He's one of the best actors Iknow who's got, um, you know a
very believable voice, uh, butyeah gene hackman for me, yeah,
you could.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
I mean, you could play that many different ways
and I think I like to see eitheruh, replacements, era gene
hackman, or even before that, uh, what is the clint eastwood?
He won the oscar for unforgiven, unforgiven gene hackman for
sure that would be a good one.
Yeah for sure about 1991 ishyeah, yeah, who you got for your

(01:27:39):
john mason ed harris and seanconnery share only one scene
really that isn't involvinggunfighting.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
That's when Ed Harris threatens to kill a hostage for
the microchips.
The guy I want, walking out ofthe fog, coming towards Dwayne
Johnson pointing a gun at somedude's head.
You can have the glass break ifyou want.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Stone cold.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Steve Austin.
Give me a hell.
Yeah, it's not an Irish guy.
Instead we have a redneckaccent.
All right, okay, all right sothat's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
We're gonna rewrite a little bit, yeah, just a little
bit of real yeah, I'm notexpecting sean connery put on a
on a scottish accent okay so,but we're getting old stone cold
, steve austin, so that worksyeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Older yeah, with you know older duane johnson there,
so that's yeah right, the wholeuh the barber scene on the
rooftop, though wouldn't you inthere, the whole barber scene on
the rooftop, though, wouldn'tyou?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Oh yeah, you would.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
We'd have to have a wig on him at the beginning and
then we'll shave him off.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
My instructor here.
That changes the dynamic of themovie.
So much A little, but yeah,it's fun.
We're having fun, guys, listenI didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
The only other, roddy Rod piper, doesn't even have an
accent, that's true, and he'sthe kill your best your best bet
is uh crap, what's his namedrew mcintyre and he's like 30
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Yeah, he's in his 30s , but you could go for it.
I can't remember his name rightnow.
He he was in aw he says wargames now.
He was the nxt manager likegeneral manager I don't't
remember his name.
They're going to William Regal.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
William Regal.
He's the only British wrestlerthat I can think of.
That would be prominent enough.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
No, no, but he's been Steve Austin.
Ok, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
All right, fair, fair , fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
I do think about these.
People haven't interact like us.
I want Dwayne Johnson yellingat CM Punk to give the order and
CM Punk refusing to give theorder to Dwayne Johnson.
And then this scene.
It's the greatest feud of alltime.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
It's just going to work.
I see it.
I see the vision.
I see the vision.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Well, corey, I'm going to makeyou go back to back on your last
round.
So who is Stone Cold SteveAustin going to be buddy copying
this with?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
And I have no idea if they have any chemistry at all.
I can only think of like oneyoungish actor that I think
would just play a lead inanything, and that's MJF.
Okay, I don't know if he canplay a biochemist, but I do
think he just.
He's pure Mike skills.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Yeah, and therefore it's just line delivery At this
point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
It's just saying Zeus's butthole with a lot of
conviction in, you know, in that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
And that's fun.
Yeah, you get, it's hard tofind like a nerdy wrestler like
you'd have to go like like maybe, uh, sammy zane or something
like that yeah, I just, I don'tknow, I just went with jf it
just seemed like, and I think hewould have chemistry with steve
austin.
Yeah, maybe but at least they'dbe.
He steve austin would beannoyed by him the entire time,
and that's really half of thebattle.
And when the prom queen linecomes around, mjf's going to say

(01:30:30):
she was the prom queen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
And he's going to bring the sass right back.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
The entire movie.
You're going to wait for SteveAustin to kill MJF.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
So you know that, tarantino has writing credits.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
There's no way he didn't write the F, the prom
queen line.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Oh, 100%, 100%.
Alsoaron sorkin also haduncredited rising in this movie.
That's right yeah that's rightthat's probably really the
humble stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
That's probably him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
You have the I will not give that order really
dramatic stuff, and then youhave winners go home and f the
problem, which tarantino did thesame thing in crimson tide.
He has writing credits incrimson.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Tide.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
It's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Gene.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Hackman delivering great lines, and then you have
Viggo Morrison saying you don'tput a condom on unless you're
ready to F.
So there's Tarantino's line inthe movie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Yes, there's a lot of Tarantino in Crimson Tide.
I think there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
It's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Ash I.
There's a lot.
I need to rewatch that Ash.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
I'm gonna give you the honor of the last pick.
So for my modern cast I'm goinga little crazy.
But keep in mind I'm trying togo with the scientist.
I want that dynamic going on alittle bit, but I wanted
somebody that's a little, thatcan play a little off kilter too
, if we need him to.
I'm giving you, for one of thefew times we've cast him in this
show, daniel Radcliffe.
I kind of love it for one ofthe few times we've cast him in

(01:31:49):
this show, daniel Radcliffe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
I kind of love it Wait why?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Because not?

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
only are we getting the nerd, we're also getting the
guy that's secretly ripped whenhe takes his shirt off.
Like Nicolas Cage in the 90s,you're like oh dang.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Oh, you're kind of buff what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I like it.
There's no one for one forNicolas Cage.
Maybe Ash has one in his pocketthat he's about to throw at us.
That's why he's Cage, that'swhy he's adaptable, he's
blendable, moldable.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Daniel Radcliffe is a very good actor, I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Yeah, maybe it was the Weird Al movie that sold it
to me.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Guns Akimbo, he's into it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
The Harry Potter know , but he can guns akimbo when he
commits.
Yeah, he's into it.
The harry potter um ash.
Before you give your final pickof the show, I'm gonna give a
real quick thing.
Cage insisted on adding quirkycharacter traits to godspeed,
such as his love for the beatlesand his refusal to swear, which
I noticed in this rewatch.
He performed several of his ownstunts, including the car chase
through san francisco.
So cage was like you're notgonna let me not drive through
San Francisco in this car.

(01:32:48):
So fun times, fun times.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
He also fought for the Zeus's butthole line did he
really can you imagine having togo to director?
Be like my character would saythat and like in the director,
being like no, that's ridiculous.
That was a weird ad lib.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
He's like if you take this out, I'll walk yeah, yeah,
I thought that would have beena Tarantino ad or something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
No, apparently a lot of Nick Cage's stuff was
ad-libbed, apparently like thismovie was not supposed to be as
humorous as it is.
But, it's just they kept coming.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Well, I'm glad it did .
That works out really well.
It worked very well, Ash, foryour DC cast list.
Who is topping this list in therole of Stanley Goodspeed?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
I think I've got a good pick.
You're right, nicolas Cage, youcan't replace him, but you can
give it a damn good go, so let'sget nuts.
I'm going to pick a Batman.
Batman in the main role.
I really think he could do thisrole honestly and I'm sticking
with the 1994 that I'vecompletely obliterated in the
last seven picks.
Really think he could do thisrole honestly and I'm sticking
with the 1994 that I'vecompletely obliterated in the

(01:33:50):
last seven picks, but this oneI'm sticking.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going with michael keaton.
Michael keaton, that side of himwhere he literally does for
sure go nuts, um, I meanbeetlejuice, clearly being like
the, the big example.
But if you, if you watch him inone of those rom-coms like
Duplicity or one of those JackFrost, you see the hint of that

(01:34:14):
crazy.
He could have played the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Joker.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
He could have played the Joker as well, as Batman as
well.
For me he's so diverse in termsof what Batman can do.
I think he never got theopportunity in the 90s to really
explore it.
It was sort of that dull periodof his.
But yeah, I think, if you puthim in that role, I think he
could definitely give it a goodbash for just going a bit crazy,
going nuts and having those adlibs now and again.

(01:34:37):
But yeah, beetlejuice isdefinitely the I guess case
study that he could audition.
He could probably pull this off.
I'm not saying he has to gocrazy with it, but he could be.
He could easily, easily, um,convince audiences that he's a
nerd, a geek, uh, he's frail,and then all of a sudden he can
just sort of turn that screwkind of like when he shoots that

(01:34:58):
guy and then mason's like I'mrather glad you didn't hurt her
too long, that that kind of, andhis eyes are just fired up with
zoomies.
But yeah, I think, yeah, Ithink he could definitely do.
He could probably replicatewhat nicholas cage did in a
pretty convincing way I think.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Oh for sure people forget that this is.
He was a comedian to start with.
That was the whole thing abouthis casting of batman was.
Everybody was up in arms goingwhy did you cast, mr mom?
Why did you cast?
And probably because he playedbeetlejuice.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
He didn't want to play the Joker, I imagine huh,
yeah, I would imagine, um, wow,okay, I like it.
I like it.
He's been around a lot of deadbodies it's that normal.
What's the foot thing?
Yeah, um, nick, I gotta behonest with you.
When you said you're doing amodern cast, I thought I had you

(01:35:44):
pegged.
I did not envision Radcliffeand Elba.
Listen, and I don't, I mean,they're both English yeah, so I
mean Tom Hardy's English too.
Yeah, maybe now yeah, I reallythought you were gonna repackage
Gosling and crow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
I know you're a big nice guys would have been nice
actually.
I take back what I did.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
I was like I was like it's working to get to a
Gosling-Crow reunion here, man.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Yeah, because Gosling has the zaniness.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
He can do it.
It's a little weird.
I would have you know who Iwould do, just because Jake
Gyllenhaal is my favoritemodern-day actor.
Now, for some reason, I wouldpair him with Keanu Reeves as
Mason.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
He's high energy and low energy and it would just
work.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Wait, who would be playing Mason?
Huh, who would be playing Mason?
Keanu or Jake Keanu would beamazing.
Old man.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Keanu and young.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Gyllenhaal.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Is this high energy, like almost ADHD, and then like
a dude that just constantlyseems like he's meditating?

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Yeah, or just gets really annoyed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
I think Keanu delivers the American equivalent
of Sean Connery.
It's just like.
You must never hesitate.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
It's just going on a trip with John Wick, basically
as he crosses my TV screen.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Just make this the John Wick, james Bond, it's just
.
This is what happens to JohnWick he gets arrested.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
There it is.
We've modernized it.
We've done it, guys.
Done Hollywood has given us amillion dollars for this idea.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
One car chasing yes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
That's it, Corey.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
That's the rock.
That's the rock scene in DC 94sort of Modern and wrestling.
We had a little fun.
We got the Rock as seen in DC94, sort of modern and wrestling
.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
We had a little fun, we got a little real with it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Ash is completely tired right now.
It's probably like 3 in themorning.
There it's 2 44.
Yeah, pretty much close.
We got him in bed before 3.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
I'm just realizing I didn't put a Batista in my, you
did not.
I didn't put the best wrestlingactor, the best actor.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Because you were thinking of wrestlers.
It's kind of, yeah, he'sactually transcended this so
much.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
We don't think of him as a wrestler.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Right, yeah, that's the thing Such a good actor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Alright cool.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Well, that's it.
We hope you enjoyed thisepisode.
Um um, I think we're out of bayhim for a while, though I think
we're gonna take a break formichael bay I think our fans
will appreciate.
Yeah, um, but if you've neverseen the rock.
I cannot stress how fun thismovie is, um, and you should
watch it.
It's, it's.
It's.
It's not pete cage, becauseface off happens a year later,
but it's on the the way to PeteCage, and so, but yes, and again

(01:38:30):
, if you have time for a triplefeature, it's this, it's Con Air
, it's face off.
Treat yourself.
It's a great day, it's anamazing day.
But follow us on social media.
Tell us what you think of thesecasts.
Give us your own cast.
Someone, give me a Muppet cast.
I wanted to do it, but I Ididn't hesitated he, he hit, he
was, he withheld.
I'll tell you right now, beanbunny would have played captain

(01:38:51):
fry.
That's just I.
I just bean buddy will be inevery cast I ever do, um, and he
will die the most horrificallyum.
So no, actually no.
Bean bunny would play in my therock movie, just the guy when
they're stealing the vxHex thatgets locked in.
They just close it on him andhe's just at the window melting

(01:39:15):
the frog looks on because he'sHummel.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Because Gonzo's Nick Cage.
Obviously Nick Cage is NickCage.
He's my only human in this, orit could be Connery.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
I don't know if Connery would have done it.
Michael Caine could do it, yeahwe'll just put.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Caine in John Mason's role.
There you go and the rest areMuppets and he's playing it like
a heart attack.
It's Gonzo's Cage, oh my gosh.
Okay, alright, nope, nope, wehave to back off Be sure to
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Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Check us out on social media.
It's mainly Instagram, Twitter,talk X, whatever you want to
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Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
So do it All right.
Thank you for listening.
Say goodnight, Nick, Goodnight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Ash.

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