Troy - 1997: Managing Myths, Brad Pitt & Greek Epics - Quantum Recast: Your Favorite Films, Recast In Different Years

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Speaker 2 (00:18):
2004.
I love Helen.
I want her back.
Will you go to war with me,brother?
They're coming for me.
He's bringing them close.
This'll be the greatest war weneed.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
The greatest war.
Be careful, King of Kings.
No son of Troy will ever submitto a foreign rule.
Then every son of Troy shalldie.
Is that Troy's bird for thiswoman?
Is there no one else?
Is THERE NO ONE ELSE woman?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I will be the one that gives you immortality.
Take it, it's yours.
Welcome to another episode ofQuantum Recast.
I am one of your hosts, corey,the one that talks a lot, but
with me, as always, is Nick andour man from across the pond,
ash Yo what's up.

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Guys, I'm going to start thispodcast off by saying Sean Bean
survived.
He did it, he did it, he didn'tdie For a movie in which
everyone's dying.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Sean Bean pulled through which is funny because
he's like he didn't die, buthe's going to spend the next 10
years trying to get home.
Corey, yeah, but he's going tomake it.
He's going to make it, he'sgoing to make it, that's Troy 2
right there, he's going to dieimmediately.
But hey we're just prepping.
I'm still waiting on that movie, by the way, just the Odyssey
guys, just the Odyssey, justwants the Odyssey to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
But yeah, no, I'm pumped.
I just, you know, sean Beanshows up in a movie and you're
like, ooh, ooh, he's not gonnamake it very long.
But the good thing is if you'restudious, the second he
introduced himself as Odysseus,you're like hey he's gonna make
it you're not gonna have a goodtime of it, but you're gonna
make it so but, yeah, so if youclicked on this, you've seen

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that we're talking about themovie Troy, that's right.
You also probably see a weirdyear next to the movie Troy that
said 1997.
And that is not the year Troycame out, it's not, because
that's what we do on thispodcast.
We take a movie out of itsoriginal release year and we
uproot it.
We take it either forwards orbackwards in time because we
want to know what that moviewould look like in a different
year.
So we either forwards orbackwards in time because we

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want to know what that moviewould look like in a different
year.
So we're taking 2004's troy to1997.
Yo I gotta say, guys, I was nota fan of this you.
You found it challenging, thelate 90s was hard for a sand and
sand, a sand and a sword andsandals.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Epic yeah a little bit, a little bit didn't make
others yeah around this time, Iagree.
I agree, it's a toughbraveheart that comes out a few
years before, and this is alsosandwiched between that and then
Gladiator that's going to comeout in 2000.
What it?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
is is we're in a transition like the late 90s is
a transitional, like the starsof the late 80s, early 90s, kind
of aged out of like the herorole Exactly, and I think
they're not like.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
No, I was just going gonna say what.
You're sorry to interrupt, but96 to 99 is like a era of its
own.
Those like three years.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You're taking it to a different whole decade yeah,
and you're like looking at whoam I gonna james vanderbeek?
It's not gonna be achilles,it's like you're not old enough,
man I hope nick cast jamesvanderbeek rewrite my uh cast,
but yeah

Speaker 4 (03:23):
we.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
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Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's how, what we're doing on this chaotic
podcast at quantum recast.
That's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna talk about troy,the movie.
We're gonna break it down, talkabout why we love it or why we
hate it, because we don't alwayslove the movies we do here.
Um that's fair, see highlander.
Um gremlins essentially stopnaming everything tanner like
essentially anything my cousintanner brought to the podcast I
just kind of it was a newdifferent perspectives.

(04:01):
C Corey Okay, I agree.
Love you Tanner, love you Abouttime.
All right, all right, all right, but yeah, we're going to
dissect it.
But then we're going to talkabout 1997.
Then we're going to talk aboutwhat this movie would look like
in 1997.
Primarily, what the cast wouldhave been.
Yeah, but before that we needto dive into the movie Troy
itself, released May 21st of2004.

(04:28):
I graduated high school likethe next week, nice.
That is exciting.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's in the middle of mine.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Maybe this is the first movie I saw as a high
schooler.
I'm just going to say Sure yeahit was Directed by Wolfgang
Peterson, Strong name Famous forOutbreak, the Poseidon remake,
Air Force One, Das Boot and thePerfect Storm.
He's really into bigblockbuster movies.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Looks like it Of the early 90s.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
What I didn't know was that it was offered to Chris
Nolan to direct it, which Iguess this is after Memento
before Batman begins yeah, rightbefore Batman begins.
Then Terry Gilliam was offeredthe chance to direct it.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
That would have been a wild ass movie.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
That would have been an interesting film.
Yes, 100%, Especially for alate 90s Terry Gilliam movie
like post 12 Monkeys.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Basically, that would have been wild, but he
supposedly read five pages andsaid I'm out.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm good, this isn't weird enough for me I took out
the gods.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So yeah, also I got this don quixote thing coming.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's gonna be huge don't worry, it's coming it's
coming.
So um, but yeah, um, apparentlywolfgang peterson also did this
, because it's like a.
It's like a sean connerygandalf situation where you know
, connery turned down gandalfbecause he said it was confusing
.
Kind of made me regress to thatone.
Wolfgang Peterson turned downGladiator he did.
When this came he's like yeah,I'm doing it.
Alright, stop, we gotta do it.

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So yeah.
It happens, Written by DavidBeinhof and of course, based on
the Iliad and sort of theOdyssey, Homer it and sort of
the Odyssey.
Homer, it stretches into theOdyssey.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right right right and so yeah, there's some definite
deviations from the Iliad andother essential reading for the
story of the Battle of Troy andstuff, and Benoff is one half of
the D&D writing team.
That was Game of Thrones,really, yeah, so it's
interesting to go back and watchthis and go, oh, this is Now

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fair credit.
This is the one nice thing I'llsay about them is that they're
good at adapting material.
The problem they had with theend of Game of Thrones is that
they didn't have material toadapt.
They had to figure it out andthey had upset George RR Martin
and they were like I don't knowthings happen.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Let's just do something.
Yeah, I don't know.
Things happen.
That's just new to me.
That's the cool thing aboutinterpretation, isn't it?
It's mythology at the same timebut there is written stuff
about it.
Whether it's too far-fetchedfor it to be believable, I guess
doesn't matter.
That's what's good about Troy.
It's quite grounded in terms ofwhat is written which makes it
better, I guess.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, Personally I would watch one with the gods
and everything involved with it.
But but.
I felt like this was a good.
It's also it's kind of like a,it's almost like a gateway to
like greek mythology and stuff alittle bit.
It's like here's a little bitmore grounded.
There's there's some allusionto the gods.
It's treated more realisticallylike this is a historical piece
and that was the whole liketone and angle they were going

(07:21):
for when they were writing andmaking it was like we wanted to
be more as a historical piece.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, they present the gods as a historical thing,
like hey these people believedin apollo.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, you know exactly, and they're all
mentioned, but yeah and it'skind of cool because hector and
even one scene, so I sort ofmimics how we would mimic like,
maybe, religion in the sceneslike, oh, bird calls, we're
going based on bird calls and Ikind of like that and I think
this is a film that literallydefines the word grounded,
because you never float up intoheaven and meet zeus.
You're always on the ground,you're with the battle, it's on

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earth, you never go anywhereelse and it's just reference.
So I think they've, I think thedirection for this is spot on,
if I'm being honest, yeah, yeah,I mean it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I I was watching it and like yeah, they're like
doing things with birds orwhatever and they're like the
war's gonna be good, you know,and you're kind of like that's
weird.
But then I'm like I remember mygrandpa would go fishing if the
cows were laying down at acertain time of day.
Yeah, and it's the same thing,right, it's literally.
He shouldn't say oh the gods,but he's like, oh, the fisher
bite.
And it's like what are youtalking about?

(08:20):
It's like, but yeah, it's thesame thing.
Budget of $175 million and itcame in just short of making
half a billion $497.5 million.
It made money.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You never know with marketing and stuff if that is
included in their full budget.
Oftentimes I think people talkabout to make be successful you
have to do double plus of yourmovie.
Basically it seemed like it wasyour movie, basically yeah, but
it seemed like it was asuccessful movie but it seems to
have been forgotten a lot ofthe time um yeah, um, they uh

(08:53):
wanted to.
Um uh, turkey, turkey, turkeyclaims that troy was here, right
yeah, like yeah though I thinkhistorians argue over where troy
actually was I don't thinkthey've ever actually pegged it
down, I think yeah, you justbuild cities on top of old
cities so there's not really noone's really sure where troy
actually was, and that actuallyinfluenced some of the because
they want they were talkingabout filming it on sites and

(09:13):
stuff and then they kind offound out that the, what is
alluded to, or people think, istroy, like the locations what's
left of them.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
It seemed like it was much smaller than you would
think yeah, yeah, they were likeoh, it's not that big.
So when they were making, themovie.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
They're like let's, let's bump this all up about.
If the statue's 12 feet, makeit 40 feet.
The walls are only 20 feet high.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Make it 100 feet high , pick it up, that's it yeah uh,
but turkey like contacted themovie and said, hey, you can
totally film here if you want.
Yeah, and if you premiere themovie here, like, we'll even
like give you some money, Iguess, or fund some of the movie
, yeah, and instead theypremiered it in berlin, right,
because of?
A little thing colonization andthey stole all their stuff,
yeah berlin just has all thetroy artifacts but also the the

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war in iraq.
Yeah, as well as we're comingright off of 9-11 we're a little
iffy about that part of theworld they had to.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
They had to move uh production from mor, baja
California or Mexico.
Basically, yeah, wow, in 2003.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, things were a little crazy.
The war on Iraq had startedover there.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Attention.
And Brad Pitt is, he is, he'sjust.
He's just walk around thatbright blonde hair.
I don't know if that would havebeen safe.
There's like I kill that guy.
That dude is not from here.
Wait, that is that no one hasthat hair color.
It's just like kill that guy.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
That dude is not from here.
Wait just a minute.
No one has that hair color inreal life period.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
No one's supposed to be that sexy.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh my gosh.
Sir what do you have on site?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
This beautiful man, someone from Al Qaeda, is like
do we hate these people?
They're gorgeous, the war isover.
He could have completelybrought peace, but instead him
at big sir mex and baja,california, sir mexico man we
didn't know what we had bradokay all right half those jokes

(10:55):
are probably not appropriate,probably.
I apologize, um, but uh, it'sjust brad pitt.
We're just having to talk aboutsexy he.
He is Because Brian Coxapparently thought he was
gorgeous.
He did.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
He openly was just like, hey, I'm a straight man.
But I saw him walk on set and Iwas like good God, that man's
attractive.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I saw that I was reading.
Cox was just struck in awe byBrad Pitt Like oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
He's so blunt.
Honestly, brian Cox, he justsays it.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Cox, he just says it, he doesn't care, he really is.
He's on that run right now,post succession, where he's like
I'm just going to say whateverI'm an old man now he really is.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
He is on a war path right now and I'm kind of here
for it.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
No, I love it.
Yeah, I love Brian Cox.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
The Trojan horse.
Turkey did get something out ofthis.
They got to keep the Trojanhorse.
That's what happened.
Yeah, so apparently wherepeople go to visit what is
probably Troy, you can there's ahotel or something that where
you stay that has the Trojanhorse prop.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, that's worth it .
Sure, I go check that out.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
But so we need to talk about the useless critic
stats of this movie.
What did the critics think?
Imdb gives it a 7.3 out of 10.
Rotten Tomatoes a 73% score.
Metacritic 56 out of 100.
Letterboxd 3.3 out of 5.

(12:17):
Respectable those first four.
It comes in strong.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's like a B+.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Ebert out of his goofy four star system.
Man two out of four stars, hatepretty mid pretty mid um rude.
I'll say this I've read enoughebert reviews now doing this
podcast that I'm not really surewhy we ever let critics be a
thing.
I don't know either.
I just I don't understand thepoint of critics.
I understand at one time, maybein Victorian times, when

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there's plays and there was justthis aristocratic part of
society and they needed some guyto be like something's going to
happen.
But why did we let that falterdown to our level?
I don't know, why do we haveanybody telling us what a good
movie is, and why did we letroger ebert be a thing I don't
know, because he's, he's allover the place.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Like we've talked episode to episode, he'll, he'll
change his mind.
We'll think we've got like anidea of like what his area is,
what he likes and like.
He'll just and a lot of timeshe just blames it on.
I was just in a mood that andyou're like, okay, this is your
job, get out of the mood, Ithink, for me.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I've read enough of these now where I'm just like,
okay, it's mostly a synopsis.
He's mostly just telling mewhat the movie is about in kind
of detail, which is if I'mreading a review, it means I
kind of want to know.
It's like I would assume I cameto you to know if I should go
see it.
He pretty much just tells youwhat the movie is, which already
seems like a bad, bad form.
And then he just kind of justgives a bunch of personal

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opinions and I'm just kind oflike why is this a thing?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
because he can he's just a man, he's just he's a
go-to guy, isn't he?
I mean, yeah, I kind of agreewith you, corey.
It's interesting to say thatyou know we don't need critics,
but then you know, I'm guilty ofreading reviews and critics of
films I've probably even watchedor about to watch, and, um,
some people you latch onto.
It's kind of like why you watchcertain actors or watch certain
films of directors.
But ebert's just, he's verywell articulated, he phrases it

(14:07):
in ways that's actually quite,you know, quite clever, and he
makes these interestingmetaphors.
But yeah, sometimes he hits onthe head and sometimes he
doesn't.
But I mean, you'd have to belike exactly in the same mindset
to agree or disagree with him.
But yeah, there's always, thereare some films that are
questionable.
What?
Why he's given it four stars,or one For sure.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't know.
I feel like I've just neverbeen blown away by the writing
of a review by Ebert Even.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's just I mean, it's just more like we know that
.
We know the pattern.
He always starts with an openerthat grabs attention like this.
He says Troy is based on theepic poem by Homer.
According to the credits,homer's estate should sue.
So right from the get it's likeokay, hot, take.
And then it's about threeparagraphs describing the movie
and then he wraps it all upsaying something.
But mainly he went in prettyhard with Brad Pitt and saying

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that these Greek storiesshouldn't be modernized or
brought down to a realisticpoint of view.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Okay, so here's my thing.
I agree that I don'tnecessarily love Brad Pitt in
this movie.
You can tell he's not like init.
He did it as a favor to thestudio he owed the studio movie
he dropped out of the fountain,the Hugh Jackman abysmal movie,
and then he's pretty much saidwell, I owe you a movie, I'll do
this one.
And I agree that you can kindof tell Brad Pitt's not really

(15:23):
sure what to do.
He's just there, there.
It's almost like it's the onlytime I think I've ever seen Brad
Pitt just be like I'm just realhot and I'll let that do a lot
of the work he said he kind ofdidn't like it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
He didn't like being in the center of the camera like
he's used to venture and stuffwhere it's like there's more
going on and I'm like bro lookat yourself in the mirror.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, andbert's like.
He kind of just goes on thewell and he says pitt is modern,
nuanced introspective.
He brings complexity to therole where it's not required and
his main fault is like well,that's not how greek mythology
works.
And it's like ebert, it's adamn movie all right, we came
for the nuance ebert.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
We did.
It's not.
We're not preaching to the backof the theater.
All right, johnny oklahoma gaveus this greek god and brad pitt
.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
We're not preaching to the back of the theater, all
right, johnny Oklahoma gave usthis Greek God and Brad Pitt.
We're just going to make amovie with them and just let
them go.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I argue that it helped helped his performance,
that he was that into it becausethe portrayal Achilles is very
much like.
I don't want to go to this war,but I'm doing it because it's
going to make me famous.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, I kind of yeah, I, my wife was, I OK, I okay, I
kind of oversold troy oh no,when I made her watch it, I was
saying this is better.
You can't oversell, troy I saidit was better than glad, better
than gladiator, which is herall-time favorite movie.
That's pretty that's a prettybig, so the movie was not gonna
hit with my wife, no matter what, um, but she did ask him like
about okay when she spoilers.
If you've not seen troy we arenot a spoiler-free podcast we

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will tell you what happens umonce.
Uh, achilles makes hector histotal, total bitch yeah like and
and hector put up a good fight,sure, but and drags his body
away.
My wife's like is he the hero?
And I was like you know?
No, I don't guess, so I don'tknow what he is in the movie.
Well that's, I think that's thebeauty, rewatching narcissist
they're all complicated, like itstarts, even like talking.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
You can talk about menelaus.
It's like he's portrayed as avillain, but like in other, in
like the Greek world, he's seenas a good man, like his
brother's.
Like no, you've never asked mefor a favor, you followed the
lines and everything like in hiscultural mindset, like he's
considered a good man but hesleeps around on Helen, he just
treats her as an object.
So like it's fair to see.
Like yeah, I would leave too ifI was Helen.
So there's a lot of.

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They do a good job blurringsome lines of like where some
people are good, some people arebad.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think they need to as well.
I mean, like, the hero thatwalks away is the guy that kills
achilles, and that's the guythat is a wimp, withdraws from
battle and looks completely likesmaller than the rest, and
that's the guy who actually endsup alive at the end and walks
away.
Yeah, and it's because of him.
So it's a very complex movie.
The star of the movie istechnically the villain, and if
you look at it from, if you look, if you look at it just as the

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film and not with greekmythology in the backdrop, um,
you know he's technically, youknow he's just killed his
brother and you know I'veavenged you.
And it's a very complicatedmovie, a lot of layers.
Obviously there is greekmythology backing up each
character and then there'sjourneys before and after, but
for this, you know, two-hourjourney.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, I think you can call brad pitt the the the
villain in some ways he's ananti-hero, like you're rooting
for him when he charges theshores and stuff you're.
You're not sure how to feelwith.
The hector and achilles fightlike.
You know why achilles is doingwhat he's doing.
But you're also like Hector.
Everybody liked you.
Why are we?
No, don't go out there, you'regonna die.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
He's a demigod basically yeah, and my wife was
also I think I'm rubbing off onher a little bit.
She was like, wow, this guy'sgonna die, isn't he?
And I was like it is kind of aweird scene that they're pretty
much everyone's just like cryingand hugging him.
I was like, yeah, they'retelling you how this fight's
gonna go down.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, thanks for your support, right yeah, that's
true, that is true it's atragedy, guys.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's a tragedy, I mean it is all right, our letter
box scores for the movie.
I'm sorry I left us out ofcritics stats.
We are amateur critics.
Nick Ash, you both gave it agood 4.5, sure, or four out of
five.
I gave it a half out of five.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I think either is fair.
I think it's.
It's a solid movie and mepersonally, I really enjoy it.
I think there's plenty to likepick apart and like find.
Like I don't, I didn't, youknow.
Peter o'toole was kind of feltout of place to me in parts and
then, like some of thefilmmaking feels a little dated
for the time, like it feels likeit's some.
At some points it's filmed likean old big epic, like from like
the 60s and 50s and it doesn'ttranslate to like 2004 very well

(19:26):
.
But there's other parts likethe dialogue, the blurring of
the lines, the very detailedlayer characters definitely fits
into this era.
Yeah no, for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, I didn't mind it.
I mean, 2004 was a bit of aweird year and it was sort of
like a bubblegum year, and Idon't mind this film to
gladiator and I think the goodthing about comparing it to
gladiator as well.
They're two completelydifferent films as well and I
think this one's the moreattractive film and gladiator is
a more gritty, heartfelt film,but you get the same emotions at
the end.
So it's a coin toss depend.
I could watch either one, butit depends.
If I want to just stare at themovie aimlessly, I'll watch troy

(19:57):
, and if I want to really likehave an emotional experience,
I'll watch gladiator.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
So I think both do a good job.
Like visually they're veryappealing, but also like you can
invoke things from differentcharacters a lot.
Um, I remember watching this in2004 with my friends and it's
the one time I had to get up andwalk away from my friends
because they were they're notfilm people like it was our,
just our gang of high schoolfriends.
And yeah, the the style of thefilmmaking where it's cutting to

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pre-em and Peter O'Toole's justsitting there very kind of over
the top, like staring forforever, like it kept cutting to
him and they would laugh andlaugh and laugh and then like
when troy's being sacked and itshows him and he's just like
wide-eyed and grit teeth.
Like peter o'toole is too oldfor this movie.
That's my hot take.
Like dude looks like he's one'sfoot in the grave, like he's
he's got, he's on his way.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Like crypt keeper going on pretty hard I would
argue he has like the best scenein the whole movie, though he
does when he comes to get bradpitt.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, like it's for everything else, everything else
he's doing.
It's like he's, he's very big,like when, when hector dies and
he faints.
It's just so like flamboyanthis faces are weird he has weird
faces a lot yeah which are oddbut the scene with brad pitt
where he's come to like collecthector, like that it's almost
worth it.
You're like like, okay, it's agood scene, it's a solid scene.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
This is where it's like all right, let Peter
O'Toole.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
That's why we call him Peter O'Toole.
Yeah, it's almost worth it.
Ashford, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I'm sure it's on some level like Wolfgang
Peterson's.
Like how do you tell?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Peter O'Toole, that don't make that face.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Stop overacting.
It's Peter O'Toole.
All right, All right guys.
Why are we doing Troy?
Why did we pick this movie?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think because we all really enjoy this movie.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
All I can say is it's been on our list forever.
Yeah, it has just been on thelist forever, and I think we
just finally found a time to putit in.
Right yeah, and it's like whatit's the 20th anniversary this
year.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, anniversary this year yeah, we're sitting on
the 20th anniversary, basicallylike, uh, like nice, so it's
not getting talked about a loteither, which is interesting.
But I I mean, yeah, personally,when I watched it, I remember
really enjoying it and thengetting to watch the extended
version, like you got morenuance, more character
development and stuff.
But, ash, is there a particularreason, like you enjoy it or
wanted to do this?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
honestly, I think, with the regurgitation of films,
like borrowing the same themesand the same stories and the
same characters, this is one ofthe stories where I haven't
actually seen it beingduplicated, like I haven't
actually seen another film whereAchilles is in it and it's
mainstream, or I haven't seenanother film where Hector's in
it and it's mainstream.
You know, I've seen every otherfilm that's good and I've

(22:22):
probably seen the same filmagain, but this one I mean, yeah
, the theme, a greek mythologyfilm, um, with achilles in or
with hector in.
I haven't seen that and it'sbeen 20 years.
So I think, yeah, and it's gotbig stars and they're all
against each other and it's kindof a good time and it like
visually it's really good and Ithink it still holds up pretty
well, but I think it does aswell, yeah, and I honestly think

(22:43):
it's actually correct me if I'mwrong.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
This is maybe just bullet train has come out, but
this is probably brad pitt'sonly action film well, if you
think about mr and mrs smith aswell being an action movie
there's a few peppered in there,but not on this scale like this
was definitely like we're bradpitt's a movie star and we're
putting them in front ofeverything, like all the all the
dvd boxes, the posters.

(23:05):
It's brad pitt just sittingthere looking like a literal
grief.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
God, like this is like.
Is bruce willis's, you know,die hard?
Or liam neeson's taken?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
this was brad pitt, sure this is yeah, I never
thought about that.
Yeah, because that's aninteresting perspective.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, he's a character actor like he most of
his 90s run.
Like the two late the 2000s iswhere they're trying to be like
you're a movie star, be a moviestar.
Go be with angelina jolie inthis movie.
Go do troy I think you do yeahbut then and then he's slowly
pulled away from it like thinkabout your favorite, one of his
is killing, killing them softly.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I mean, he makes these action movies, but he
makes action movies that aremore narrative story driven,
which is like my cup of tea.
Yeah, I think brad pitnettwould be friends no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
We need to find out absolutely.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't think he's like sold out, like I think
finch has taken a liking to himand that's just lucky because
fincher makes you know greatmovies and maybe not all of them
, but you know he's done that.
But I mean he hasn't likeridden the wave of action and he
could have because he's he sortof stayed quite niche and
nuanced and maybe like rom-combeing attractive.
He has done a few rom-coms aswell, but you know the crimes
and the thrillers, the oceansfilms and the killing me softly

(24:10):
in the jesse james film you know, I think he's spicy, he's got
like spy game and fury.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean it's kind of like one of those things where
he did a lot of more likethriller, suspense kind of
actions like snatch and thingslike that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's more just narrative based, and I exactly,
yeah, I think he's just.
He's like johnny depp, where hekind of they both are trying to
go against type.
They're both viewed as veryobjectionably attractive people,
and so they were constantlytrying to play against that.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah good luck, brad jeez.
Legends of the fall brad pitt'sthe most attractive thing
that's ever lived, tristan thatname.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, I'm watching that right now, cory, and I
found out that, uh, chrishemsworth named his son after
the main character, tristan,because he said brad pitt was
like the most gorgeous man.
I'm gonna name my son tristanbecause of him.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's fair in the bar, high man yeah, I'm like fair
enough, but okay oh, wow, okay,no, I that's interesting.
I never thought about that.
He's never done like, I guessuntil bullet train like just
like a straight up kind ofaction movie.
I don't think he has maybe theclose he yeah, no, no, a lot of
its stuff was more just kind ofnuanced action like thriller
type of stuff.
He just it was usually him andthen some huge name like hey

(25:15):
look, it's me.
And uh, harrison ford, hey lookat me and clooney.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, it's me and clooney, and yeah, bruce willis
uh, who, uh, what's that?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
one guy that was real famous in the 60s.
Who's Sundance Robert?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Redford.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Half the people just turned this podcast off.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Credibility's gone, alright.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Okay, yeah, so we mainly just picked this movie
because we like it.
It's a poor man's gladiatorthat I prefer over gladiator.
I honestly don't even know whyI love this movie, because every
time I watch it I see the flaws, I kind of see the warts in it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, but I feel like it's just, but somehow it all
works.
Yeah, it's like there's flawsthere, but it's, it doesn't make
them, it doesn't pull you outof the movie it doesn't?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I?
All the romance stuff's realwonky.
Yeah, that's because in theactual iliad it's pretty wonky.
The iliad is literally about apower struggle between achilles
and agamemnon.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, and it's like the girls are props pretty much
yeah, I mean, if you, if youreally look at like the greek
story of it, like helen doesn'tchoose to leave with paris, like
literally it's a few betweenthe three major goddesses that
are trying to get paris to belike which one of us is cuter
and which would you, which wouldyou marry?
And he's like i't know, you'reall pretty hot.
And then one of them's likeI'll give you power, I'll give
you wisdom.
And then one of them and thenAphrodite's like I'll give you

(26:28):
the highest girl on the planet.
And he's like uh bet, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
But I mean it's the love story's kind of wonky.
You know it's not real well,that type of stuff's there, but
yeah, it's not so bad that ittakes you out of the movies.
I like the, I watch it and I go.

(26:54):
I don't know, maybe we giveTyler Durden too much crap for
being this toxic character, whenmaybe Achilles is ten times
more of a toxic bro characterthan Tyler Durden was.
Because he's just saying allthese cool um, because he's like
he's just saying all these coolone-liners and he's just like
unbeatable but he's also veryanti-war at the same time, like
he's he's.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
He's very self-centered, he's narcissistic
.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
He's narcissistic, it's just like I want to be
famous and people are.
He's literally telling hectorlike hey, people are gonna
remember who we are right?
Yeah, you know, I was thinkingabout this.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like the reason I think I like this movie too is
because, like we had that trendfor a while, there would be like
this is the roman empire andlike the joke is this is my
roman empire.
Like I don't really roman romanempire is interesting, but
greek mythology is my romanempire.
Like I would much rather watchclash of the titans or something
and or 300, just to get somegreek myth stuff going on.
I would watch a hbo miniseriesrun of, like the Battle of Troy,

(27:44):
like the entire thing.
Yeah, I would watch that withthe gods involved in everything.
100%.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I mean, I like it.
My nickname, Lionfire,literally comes from I love the
lion.
Forget, let no man forget howmenacing we are.
We are lions.
I think I used to quote that,or something.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I didn't know that More you know.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's where the nickname came from.
I didn't know that that's wherethe nickname came from.
I didn't know that.
Well, ethan and so um.
But yeah, like I like that andso um, I don't know I.
Brad pitt works, even thoughyou can tell he doesn't really
want to be here.
I'm telling you and that he'slike there's even, like things
he does some really unnaturalthings with swords in the movie
sometimes where it's like he'snot even sure the camera's
running.
He's like just playing catchwith the sword.
I'm like I don't even know.

(28:22):
That seems out of characteryeah, at one point, even like
he's like pointing and he flipsit like he's making an acting
choice and the camera just saidI keep it yeah and so it's just
but it all kind of works, Idon't know.
It's like a guy who's notafraid of war because he's
immortal, except for one stupidheel yeah, and so um yeah and uh

(28:42):
, um, I I that's like becausehis mom dipped him yeah, she
dips him in the river.
In the river to make himimmortal but since she's holding
that ankle, right, yeah, yeah,that's right, it didn't get the
immortal juice, right yeah,that's right and that's why we
have the achilles heel.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Fun fact brad pitt tours or injured his achilles
heel while filming oh, that's abad omen right, there they
should

Speaker 2 (29:02):
have just shut the production down right there or
is it?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
or is it the passion of the christ thing where, like
when jim caviezel was on thecross, like there's like two
strikes of lightning around himand everybody's like this is a
sign it's?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
like making a film, mel gibson, yeah that's what
made jim caviezel a hardcorechristian.
Probably he's like okay, Ibelieve I mean that was the same
.
It was yeah, yeah, god was atwork um pat, we, we will not be
doing that on this podcast incase anyone was ever, ever,

(29:33):
holding out for passion of thechrist.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Come on, not doing it .
Recast jesus christ.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
God help us yeah, not gonna recast jesus, and also I
never want to watch the movieagain.
It's just so brutal, it's um.
It's so brutal, yeah, it's soridiculously hard to watch the
movie again.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's just so brutal, it's so brutal, it's so
ridiculously hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So what year are we taking this movie to Corey?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're going to talk about 1997.
That is what we're going to do,and so we have to get a feel
for the year 1997.
Alright, so what were thepeople watching?
So what's the top 10 at the boxoffice?
We do in-year releases.
So what were the peoplewatching?
So what's the top 10 at the boxoffice for the?
We do in your releases?
So anything that came out in1997, the top 10.

(30:11):
This is what the people werewatching.
Number 10, good Will Hunting,nice Ben and Matt, and then as
good as it gets.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I'm surprised that that popped in the top 10.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, that's the Nicholson I have honestly, it's
one of my gaps you haven'twatched it I thought you were
the one that told me to watch it.
No, I said, something's got togive oh right right, right, yes,
okay, okay got it.
Oh, speed two, speed two,cruise control it did it, it did
it.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's a good film jason patrick as keanu reeves,
oh no.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I did not.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Maybe Ash can defend that sequel to you.
I will happily defend thatsequel.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I would have to, I think, watch it in its entirety.
I don't know that I've evermade it.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Win him the phone, man.
He's so good at that, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Hey, our buddy, wolfgang Peterson, director of
Troy, coming in in 97, at numberseven with Air Force One.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Okay, Jim Carrey still on his run with Liar Liar
coming in at number six.
Nice Number five the Lost WorldJurassic Park.
Not popular with you, Dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
With Ali, Right?
Yeah, that was my firstJurassic Park, so I enjoyed it.
Oh, so you ended up Go.
Blimmy Number four.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Batman and Robin yes.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Ages like a fine wine .

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Batman and Robin is not a bad movie.
It gets better.
You just have to watch it forwhat it is.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's literally just pretend it's a cartoon Just
pretend they've made an AdamWest 90s movie.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
That's all it is.
You're just like this is off.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
the series Got it Also.
I think that only the secondtime that the villain got
popular it Also.
I think that only the secondtime that the villain got
popular.
Yep, Men in Black coming in atnumber three.
Gosh, this was a year it was.
Men in Black might change mylife.
I've never watched it since, soI guess not that much.
Wow, Ash, you're going toappreciate number two here.
Oh God Bean.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Mr Bean Rowan.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Atkinson coming in at number two.
This was shocking.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
That is shocking.
Do you know what it is?
It's based on a show that onlyhad 12 episodes.
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
We got that 12 episode Bean thing on HBO.
When I was a kid, hbo picked itup and we could watch it.
I loved.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Mr Bean, as a kid I had no idea of this movie's
existence until the time it cameout.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
He was so good.
Did you ever watch Blackadder?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yes, Blackadder's amazing.
I love that you love MontyPython and Blackadder, oh my
gosh.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I watched a lot of BBC as a kid and then the only
thing that could possibly beatRowan Atkinson unfortunately in
1997, was the one, two, threepunch of Leo Cameron and Dion
Titanic.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
That's true, yep, oh damn it.
Just one of the biggest moviesof all time.
That's what you have to take todefeat Mr Bean.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
It's like being, I guarantee you, to this day.
Rowan Atkinson talks about howclose he was to the peak and
then flipping Titanic came outthe same year.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
He was right there.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh man came out the same year of all the years.
Oh man, oh my gosh, it's if hehad just had a banger song
that's all he needed, all youneeded all right, um, okay, the
academy awards.
what were the cinephiles superinto?
Supporting actress kim basingerfor la confidential okay, she
won the oscar before she felloff the map.

(33:25):
Pretty much.
Robin Williams getting hisOscar for Good, will Hunting as
Best Supporting Actor, helenHunt for as Good as it Gets.
And then, of course, herco-star, jack Nicholson,
bringing in, I think, his fourthOscar at this point.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, this is the one I've seen.
Yes, I've seen.
As Good as it Gets, okay, yeah,all at this point, yeah this is
the one I've seen.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yes, I've seen as Good as it Gets, okay, yeah, all
right, I'm not seeing this one.
I am a Nicholson fan, so Ishould see it and then best
picture.
The nominees were LAConfidential Good Will Hunting,
the Full Monty.
I remember how big the FullMonty was, for some reason in
1997.
That in 1997.
That soundtrack was all overthe place as good as it gets,
but no one of course could beatthe mighty Titanic.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It was just too much.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
It was a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
We're going to try to find a spot for it.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's wild.
Titanic won everything exceptfor acting, it's just like yeah,
but so yeah, obviously, 1997was just an absolutely like.
Maybe it's just because of ourage, I don't know, but it was a
huge year for me.
So, guys, anything you need totalk about from 1997 that has

(34:35):
not been mentioned yet.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Well, there's a lot, but I'm going to talk about one
that I really want to see, Justbecause I was actually getting
to go to like some video storeand browsed a bit and I was like
and I finally texted.
The core is like what is thismovie?
Because it's called Wishmaster.
Oh, Wishmaster is incredibleand it's got like four of the
biggest like slasher filmvillains in it.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, I got Kane Hodder and Robert Ingram in it
yeah like, and also Candyman'sin it, yeah.
Yeah, tony Todd, tony Todd, wesCraven directed it man.
Yeah Well, actually RobertKurtzman directed it, wes Craven
produced, wes Craven's, theproducer, wes Craven's wish.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
So I'm kind of intrigued to watch it, just
because I'm like I mean you'dlike it.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
You're into Aladdin.
It's just about a genie, Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
The dark side of the lamp.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's one of those things you wish for it and then
he gives you the monkey pawvirgin that just kills you.
It's pretty fun.
It had like a lot of atrocioussequels but the main actor, I
think, stuck with it.
He does really good.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Anthony Perkins in Psycho.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Andrew Deboff, the djinn.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I just remember him as like the terrorist that takes
over the boys school in the ToySoldiers movie.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sam West.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Gamgee takes his prep school back.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I'm so glad Ash knows what Toy Soldiers is.
It's on Channel 5 every Sunday.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'm moving to.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
England.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
You guys had it right over there.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Do you know what they had the other day?
They had Weird Science on at 4o'clock on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Damn see, they're just over there enjoying great
movies on just cable oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
They have an excellent baking show.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
And we're over here, our next president's in court
right now.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
So, ash, what movie did you want to?
Did you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (36:30):
um, yeah, like cory said, there's so many films out
there, but, um, there was a filmcalled um copland.
I don't know if you guys haveseen it.
It's got sylvester sloan in itand ray liotti and I just it was
.
It was sylvester sloan's Ithink one of his best roles.
He just plays it down.
He doesn't play that macho guy,he just plays like, yeah,
beaten down car it was justtrying to get.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, I watched his.
His documentary that came outthis year about his life
basically and they're talkingabout this is when he was trying
to be like, hey, I can actstill, like you guys forget I.
I wasn't rocky and rainbow whenthis all started, like I was
trying to be an actor.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, no Copland's on my watch list because that's
what I've read about.
It is that it's like a weird,like subtle Stallone performance
.
Right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
He's really good in it.
I think he's fantastic in itand, yeah, of course, like film
as well.
Who obviously did the newIndiana Jones film and went on
to do bigger things, but it's aterrific film.
98.
If you get a chance to watch it, corey, it's so good yeah for
sure, yeah, I'll knock that off.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh my gosh, I'm trying to think movies I've
mentioned when we've been herein the past, because I feel like
I've talked about Double Team,the Van Damme movie, yeah, and I
feel like I've talked aboutFather's Day, this underrated
Billy Crystal, robin Williamsbunny movie.
Okay, yeah, no, that's good,nick, you watched Breakdown
recently.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I did, and you got to experience the perfect movie.
That's what I should havetalked about.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Breakdown's so good, oh God, that film.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Kurt Russell.
Oh my gosh it's so good.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I will say this it was a big year for Young Corey
that Mouse Hunt came out thisyear, which is amazing Wild
America awesome.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
The big three.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And then under wraps, this Disney that's right
channel original movie.
That was like back when Disneychannel original movies were
like going strong.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, they had that run, it was like the Mummy.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I think it's like the Mummy's by the guy that voices
Patrick Starr oh is run.
It was like the mummy.
I mean, I think it's like themummy's.
By the guy that voices patrickstar, and it's like I got disney
plus for the sole reason towatch it, and they made a
different under wraps, like areboot of under wraps, and they
haven't given us the mummy one.
Oh my gosh, and so I'm upset.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well, that's just disappointing, no good, and I
could be wrong about who playsthe mummy I just know that bill
foggerbach, however sayfoggerbach, and however he says
his name, who plays patrick?
He's in it.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh so I'm pretty sure he's the mummy, okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah and so, um yeah, I'mI'm just upset that we never
that this movie still not ondisney.
Plus, it's like, why am I evenpaying?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
well, disney has this weird they do the whole vault
thing and like you have to like,and they really keep all these
move tv movies like for lack ofa better phrase under wraps.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I also don't know how streaming works, Like I don't
know.
Nobody does, they're like, well, we pulled Willow off.
And it's like was it costingyou money to have Willow there?
Like I don't understand it.
What you've already made it,it's there.
You've already spent the moneyon it.
Like it's all just they have tokeep paying.

(39:26):
How expensive can Warwick Davispossibly be?
Probably Val Kilmer.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I am a huge fan of Warwick Davis.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
That is not an insult to him, but he doesn't seem
like a guy that's holding themup for like big bucks of money.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Listen, he made Leprechaun.
It's corporate greed, corey.
They're all greedy right now.
They're all taking money fromeverybody and they don't want
any.
They're trying to get computeractors, cory.
They're already doing it?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
yep, it's already happening, whatever okay all
right.
Um, yeah, 90, 97 is awesome,which does not bode well for
what we do on this movie.
Um, but I, normally we ask howthe movie changes, but we're
dealing with an epic here.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I, yeah, it doesn't, because it generally doesn't the
only thing I think that changesis really just the discussion
that happens around the movie,Because it comes out in 2004.
And I think even when it cameout and re-watching it you can
tell that there's somecommentary going on about war.
You could kind of allude it tothe Iraq invasion.
You could talk about all thatkind of stuff and a lot of the

(40:22):
dialogue between Agam memnon andachilles or definitely is like
poking around with those ideaswhen you move it to 97.
There's not really thatstruggle going on, at least for
america like it's.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
It's sandwiched between a lot of stuff, no, no,
the biggest war going on 97 waslike in seeing the backstreet
boys yeah yeah, spears v thatwas just starting.
Yeah, yeah so I mean yeah so no,I'm with you there, I'm with
you.
Um, which pre-fontaine moviewere you gonna go watch about
that runner?
There's two this year.
Oh, that's right you can eitherget the billy crudup or the

(40:56):
jared leto version, so, um, allright.
So the movie doesn't changemuch other than, yeah, the
conversation, but we're stilldealing with sandals and swords,
so that's really about it.
I'm guessing the CGI militarywould have been less impressive.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, probably.
So you still get the realpractical actors, which I think
a lot of this movie.
It still translated prettydecently.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I think they used enough.
They did balance well.
Apparently they took boats outof the final movie.
Apparently they just had.
The entire sea is nothing butboats in the trailer and someone
said you gotta bring that back.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
They're like all the Greek and boat nerds were like
well, actually you wouldn't sailthat close to each other
because it would throw off yoursails and you wouldn't sail that
fast, You'd be catching eachother's wind and you would go
anywhere.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I don't know how wind works.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I'm like this is a movie Making a movie.
It's a visual pleasing yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Those same nerds at Rise of Skywalker are like that.
Many Star Destroyers cannot bein the sky at the same time.
How can they not?
The Star Destroyer's realclumsy?
Not a lot of maneuverability.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
They needed Wi-Fi to take off Corey, so they're all
just hogging the Wi-Fi.
None of them are going up.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
All right, is it time to cast?
It is time to cast this movie,all right 1997.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Old party Very shagadelic.
Divine back in the box.
How?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
do you like them?
I'd like to take his face offmy plane.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Time before this lost world is found.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Jack, I want you to draw me like one of your French
girls, wearing only this.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
You have arrived.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Unfortunately, we're difficult and we're not allowed
to just cast movies just willynilly.
We gave ourselves rules.
How dare we?
Because I think it's more funthat way.
Sure, all right, ash, you'rethe director, so you'll be
telling us who we're casting,and me, and Nick and I, we have
prepared cast lists.
Yeah, and we're going to pitchyou, each our actor and you will

(42:56):
choose.
However, Nick and I are boundto rules, Four rules to be exact
.
Rule number one Whoever we castin the respective role must be
alive in 1997.
Rule number two anyone we castmust be free to show up to set.
They cannot be incarcerated oranything of that nature.
When it comes up we make ajudgment call on pregnancies.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yes, only come up once.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Number three anyone we cast must have an acting
credit in this year.
They have to be a working actor, so they have to have at least
be working in 1997 or prior toChildren.
They don't come up in thisepisode, so we don't have to
really talk about that.
Anyone we cast in this movierule number four it's the big
one loses all major actingcredits in 1997.

(43:42):
That's why this year being soawesome is a little, creates a
little problems.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Creates a little bit of a problem.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
We have burned down incredible things in the past.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
We'll see what happens.
I feel like you two are goingto decimate 1997.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
honestly, I'm going to destroy everything you love.
Ash, it happens.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Not under my watch.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Hey, the good news, Ash, is that you get some
power-ups here um because, we'rebringing you to cast list um,
and you're gonna get to choosehere.
Your first power-up is calledthe old switcheroo.
At any time, even after all thecasting is done and over with,
you can switch any two actors intheir respective roles if you
choose to do so, um, whichsometimes you play that well,
and you cast someone you likeearly, knowing you can move them

(44:22):
up later.
Yeah, yeah, um, you can getthere.
But your bigger power up, thesecond one, the override at any
point, and only once, and it'sduring the respective casting of
the character, you can tellnick and I to go f ourselves and
you can just put your ownperson in you call a sax wine
and tell us to go jump into theag and see.
Yeah, yeah, I will, um, but youare bound to the same rules we

(44:43):
are.
So, okay, choose wisely.
If you choose to override, allright.
So, um, for the sake of brevity, we always do a 30 seconds or
less, which is where we castsome of the more minor
characters that we do enjoy.
We do love, but we just don'thave the time to really dive in
or tell you why.
Um, and this one's not reallybound to the rules, because

(45:03):
these are small roles.
They could have shown up forone or two days on set most of
the time.
And so, ash, yes, tell us whowe're casting in 30 seconds or
less.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Absolutely.
So we are going for Eurydice,if I pronounce that correctly,
sort of the captain of BradPitt's Achilles and his merry
men.
And then we've got Andra Key um, played by saffron borrows.
Uh, she is the wife of hector.
Uh, why is that right, andra?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
key.
Uh, yeah, andreki and dramadrama key, something like that.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, so okay, fantastic and then we've got a
disclaimer we are not greekscholars scholars, if you want
to email us and let us know ifwe pronounce that correctly or
not.
But yeah, uh and then we've gotmenelaus played uh by brandon
gleason um, who went onobviously to do banshees of
inner shirin and of course,paddleton too and then we've got
patricklus, who was played byGarrett Hedlund, a person who

(46:02):
may have been Brad Pitt's orBrad Pitt's Achilles cousin or
lover, we're not sure which,according to his show.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
They were best friends, guys.
They were best friends.
All right, best friends, okay.
Yeah, I think that's the onething I would be bold enough to
change, not to get us on tangent.
It's like, let let it just.
It's too, it's 97, so it's,we're not doing.
It's not a great time for thelgbtq community and to go
backwards in general but I say Idon't.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I think you take out the cousin part and just let
people interpret it as they wantto interpret yeah I think, I, I
don't know that it was uh andor I think it was a cousin and
possibly lover, because I don'tthink they were.
I don't think they were aboveincest.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Well, I don't know if they were actually.
I don't think they were cousins, I don't think that's the.
They were lovers.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
You think that it's in the original Iliad that
they're lovers?
In the movie Just said cousinsright yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
It's interesting Trying to fix it yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
They don't really hint, but it is the sort of
catalyst that provokes him tokill Hector.
Yeah, no, you need thecharacter and he needs to really
care.
It is weird doing cousin Like Idon't know.
I think if Tanner died I wouldbe pissed.
If Jesse, I would probably getover it.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
You better pray, they're not listening.
So, according to Wikipedia,patroclus was Achilles' first
cousin, once removed throughtheir paternal family connection
to agina okay, so achilles wasthe son of pelas and the
grandson of achilles, son ofagina, by zeus.
I said all those names probablywrong, so forgive me, I'm just
playing.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Jesse won't be the first time he's got tattoos, but
anyway.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yes.
So with these, uh, the next onewe're going to uh cast in the
30 Seconds of Lesser's KingPriam, played by Peter O'Toole,
famous actor of Arabia, andfinally, mr Sean Bean himself
playing Odysseus, and you knowhim from every other film where
he has died Lord of the Rings,game of Thrones, goldeneye,
which we have watched.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Check that out.
He survived this film.
He did it.
He did it.
We're so proud of him D hesurvived this film, he did it.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
We're so proud of him .
He died twice in GoldenEye.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Literally yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Alright, okay, so how this is going to work is Ash,
you're just going to name thecharacter and then one of us
will go first and we'll justspeed toss you without a whole
lot of explanation.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Alright, okay, you guys ready for this?
Yes, I am going to flip myimaginary coin and it's
flipping's, flipping.
It's still going and it is nickis going first so first
character, we are going forerodus okay, I'm throwing you
tom sizemore.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I like tom sizemore I'm bringing you in his film
debut, jason statham jasonstatham with hair, or does he go
bold?
No, I can't give them hereflies more Tom size, more okay
who's also bald.
He is horrible.
Hey, there where they be bald.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's funny, it's fun, they got good beards who don't
like that.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I got penalized.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Cory, you'll have another chance.
Okay, Andrew Key.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Nick Elizabeth Perkins, nicole Kidman.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Oh, nicole Kidman coming off Batman Forever.
But then I love the Flintstones.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Before Eyes Wide Shut .

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Sorry, I'm going Elizabeth Perkins.
I love her and she should havedone more.
Okay, next one, menelaus Nick.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I'm pulling him out of Goodwill Hunting.
I'm giving you Stone, skarsgård.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I'm bringing you Liam Neeson.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Liam Neeson 1997.
What's he done?
He's not taken, yet Schindler'sList came out.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
He's pretty much done .
Les Mis, he's working his wayup.
Yeah, he's working his way up.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
He's tall, he's still you know.
Yeah, I'll go, liam neeson Ilike that one.
Yeah, minnelli is liam neesonyes I like that.
Okay, uh, much debated,patrickless, uh cory paul walker
.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Oh gosh, I'm bringing you can't hardly wait zone.
And also he's in the twilightsaga.
Apparently I haven't watchedthem, but I'm bringing you peter
fascinelli oh, carlisle fromtwilight and I should know that
why I've just admitted that I'vewatched twilight, so that's not
good.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Can you edit that out , people?
Uh sorry, uh, paul walker oh,when was the first fast and
furious?
Was it 2001?
Uh, yeah, it's like 2001 he'sright now.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Paul walker is making high school movies.
Okay, enjoy your ride.
When was that how?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
it was to varsity blues, yeah he's like about to
do varsity blues, oh god.
And then you watch this backwhen he dies and he dies yeah,
best of years hits 2001.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Varsity blues hits in 99.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Okay okay that's paul walker.
He's buff and he looks good.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
He's full of moxie, peter fest and emily, just just
because I understand whenpatrick has died, and if I see
paul, yeah, I remember what.
No, I'm going Paul Walker, justbecause of the.
You played to my heartstringsthere, so there you go.
Okay, next we're going for KingPriam Corey.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Interesting, I'm going to give you Christopher
Plummer of Sound of Music fame.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Two good A-listers.
And Clint Eastwood's how oldwould he be?
He's still young.
He's doing Space Cowboys orsomething.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Space Cowboys is old people.
It's not old guys, it's space.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
He's in his 60s, he's 93 now and he's still going.
He's still in the 70s, he'syoung-ish, he's spriteful in the
90s.
Plummer or Eastwood.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
He'd be 67 probably, just complain, peter O'Toole
being too old, so like.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I can't see Eastwood begging To bring his son back,
so I've got to go, plummer.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's what makes it powerful.
When he has to kiss Achilleshand, yeah, but is that out of
character?
You're like Achilles is abadass Eastwood just kissed his
ring.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Do I feel lucky?
Okay, no, I'm going.
I've got to go.
Christopher punnett for that,yes, for sure.
And the last one, nick odysseus.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Okay, this might be a this might be a a big hell,
mary, but I'm giving you georgeclooney.
Oh my god, I think he's gonnahave a lot of fun being the
trickster smart guy.
He's heisting in Greek times.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I'm bringing you a guy who will this year choose to
take his entire career offcourse.
Okay, I'm bringing you ValKilmer.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Oh, val Kilmer, oh my gosh.
What have you guys done?
You've got an A-lister in thisrole.
Okay, it's.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Odysseus.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
It's the promise that there'll be more we're hoping
that Val Kilmer gets his ownmovie by 99.
George.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Clooney's got a great odyssey.
They're both incredibly goodlooking, especially in 1997.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
He's got a beard on him.
Grow the hair out.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I'm thinking they can't upstage Achilles and
they've got every scene withAchilles in this movie, so hold
on, let me think about this.
I know it's 30 seconds or less.
Who's better looking at it?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Well, in 97, kilmer's still gorgeous, that's true.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Clooney's on the come up at this point Clooney's
playing Batman, or won't be now.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Well, no, that's 30 seconds or less.
He can still be Batman.
He can still be Batman Kilmer'sdoing the saints.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
We are pitting Batman against each other.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
You know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to be tactical.
I'm going to pick Val Kilmerhere.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yes, yes, because Val Kilmer could move up.
Maybe who else?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
could he be?
Yeah, true, I'm going to parkthat one.
Okay, Nick are you all right?
I'm okay, I'm good, I'm good, Ino, no, I'm good, I'm good.
I got a backup.
I got a backup.
It's off the chest Hand is offthe chest piece.
It's too late, it's too late.
The damage has been done.
Oh gosh, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Also, no one's writing any of these down I did,
I, did, I, all right, all right.
So that is our 30 seconds orless round.
So that gives us kind of afoundation, we, we, nick, can
you read it for me, just so Ican see how this movie is
looking so?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
far, yeah, so far, we got your.
This is Tom Sizemore and dramakey is Elizabeth Perkins.
Menelaus is Liam Neeson,Patrick Lisa, Paul Walker.
Rest in peace.
Odysseus is Val Kilmer.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I feel like we're off to an okay start.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
It's a solid start, strong Start strong.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
The late 90s is so weird.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
And I think to be clear, I think we're not really
trying to play on.
Can they do a British accent?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Oh gosh no.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Because that's definitely when you really think
about it.
It's like, yeah, when you doperiod pieces, it's a Greek
movie.
That's.
That's not how Greeks talk.
So it's all I think.
I'm, I'm, I'm casting with itout the window ash, so I hope
that that's not gonna throw offthings too terribly, but I don't
know if.
Corey.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I think Corey kind of was in the same no, I literally
texted and said how much didyou think about an actor's
ability to do a British accent?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
and I said none.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I put Tom Sizemore for one.
Yeah you, you said none so yeahthat guy I don't know if he's
got it hey, we're good.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah, chris farmer's there, I know that's gonna work
out, yeah we're good so even ifwe go that route, we're fine so
far.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
We're fine so far okay, um, no, I'm happy I got
tripped up a bit with odysseus,but we're okay, we're okay.
No, no, we're good, we're good,we're good we're good, okay,
okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So that that brings us to the but we're okay, we're
okay, no, no, no, we're good,we're good, we're good, we're
good, okay, okay, all right.
So that brings us to the top.
We're going to have a littlebit more discussion here.
We're going to get to reallydefend our choices and try to
pitch them to Ash.
So we're going to start in atnumber six.
Briseis, brise by an unknownRose Byrne at the time.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Yeah, I've known, men like you, my whole life.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
No, you haven't you think you're so different from a
thousand others?
Soldiers understand nothing butwar.
Peace confuses them.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
You hate these soldiers.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I pity them.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Trojan soldiers died trying to protect you.
Perhaps they deserve more thanyour pity.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
So Ash, tell us about the character.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, briseis is the sort of catalyst to achilles's
heart.
Achilles obviously has hisheart in battle and war and this
uh woman, briseis, cousin ofhector and paris, gets kidnapped
by agamemnon and achillesrescues her and falls smitten to
her and intentionally basicallycauses him basically to rethink
his destiny.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
But yeah, she's a very interesting character
people were so precious abouttheir cousins and troy well, you
know, it's got to protect thefamily.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
It's all about ben diesel would love it.
He's gonna be a great achilleson cory's list of corona.
Well, well, you know thischaracter, briseis.
She's kind of like a merger oftwo characters, because I guess
there's the, the slave characterthat achilles falls in love
with, but there's actually thereis a sister of paris and hector

(56:30):
that they kind of just, I guess, fuse with this character.
Um, but she was a prophet,prophetess or prophetess.
However, he's able to see thefuture, but cursed to have her
predictions ignored.
But it seems like a blend ofthose two characters were put in
this and Eric Bana apparentlyrecommended Rose Byrne to Wolf
Pearson because they're bothAustralian and she's kind of
like I'm sure that probablyhelped to have somebody be like

(56:52):
hey, check out this girl.
Keira Knightley also auditionedfor it and they were offering
it to a Bollywood actress andI'm going to terribly say her
name, but I should wear a rightback, john if you've seen her
before you recognize her yeahvery gorgeous actress.
Yeah, how do you say it, ash?

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I'm sorry sure right Sean there you go.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Okay, yeah, with sex scenes she's uncomfortable
getting naked with Brad Pittyeah the fool you can't even
kiss in a Bollywood movie.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Right, yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, I understand that.
Yeah, we're definitely talkingabout cultural crash.
I think they can now.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I'm sure something inside of her was struggling
Like oh yeah, I could kidnick itwith Brad Pitt, break a lot of
barriers here.
Because I would have gottennaked with Brad Pitt, I don't
know.
Hey, I'll put on a wig.
We just shoot from the back,corey volunteers for the
Patrickless role.
But yeah, no rewrites.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
No notes.
We're going to kiss, all right,okay, cool I think it's pretty
good, but she's a big catalystfor yeah she's like she's part
of the reason.
Yeah, kelly starts questioningthings well, that's his whole,
that's the whole thing.
From the moment we see his mom,she's pretty much saying like
if you go, your name's gonna beetched in history like you're

(58:09):
gonna go to war.
You can do all the things oryou can stay here and live like
a very normal life, have family,have kids.
They'll love you, but you'reget forgotten.
And that's kind of one of themajor themes of the movie is
like trying to etch your name instone.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And a lot of them being forgotten.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, got it, got it.
Yeah, ok, cool, yes, again.
I mentioned Rose Byrne was likeessentially nobody right now.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, ok.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
But she went on to be the next class insidious
bridesmaids neighbors.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
she became a thing so good job hey good job.
You left a mark on hollywoodsomehow um right there with rose
burn um.
Okay, ash you, you can decidewho goes first?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
who?
Goes first uh, let's see, I'lllet cory go first, and so let
nick go first we'll see, we'llsee so cory, what you got for me
, for briseis, bring me a lovelyyoung actress oh crap, I wrote
two.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I wrote two names down, never came to definitive.
You better decide.
Oh no, um, you know what?
I'm just gonna go with my girl.
I wrote down rose mcgowan, butI'm not giving it to her, I'm
gonna give it to christinaritchci.
I'm pulling her out of that.
Darn Cat Okay, not that DarnCat.
I love that movie.

(59:24):
Sorry, if people love that DarnCat, never seen it.
I just really like ChristinaRicci.
I feel like I wrote down thesetwo actresses because Briseis,
she is a fighter, she is.
So I brought two alt girls here, two alternative, strong-willed
, strong-minded female actresseshere.
Sure, and I'm just going tothrow Christina Ricci.

(59:45):
Okay, rose McGowan just cameoff screen, that's fair.
She got something, yeah, and Idon't.
I just, you know, I thinkChristina Ricci's filmography
can do without that.
Needs a little boost I'm gonnaget a sleepy hollow soon, so
let's just go ahead and throwokay, let's throw in this role.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Fun, okay.
Christina ricci a big fan ofher.
She's coming out of that moldof you know, the wednesday adams
and becoming a teenageadolescence.
Okay, fine, I get that.
Okay, and you know, everyoneknows who she is.
She's coming a bit of a maybe abit of a symbol in terms of
you're gonna have her burstingout of teenage, her childhood
teenage, acting into this verysexual sexual 17 at the time in
1997, 1980 talking about greeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Man, like they did, they would stick it in anything
like you're we're gonna talkabout the morals of the greeks,
semantics of the hollywood, justthat she's.
This is like this is this isthat moment in disney actors
lives where, like I'm an adult,damn it hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
In all fairness though I kind of sped watch troy
, I don't know how graphic thesex scene gets so if I made a
mistake I wouldn't call it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
They're not graphic sex scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
There's just a few moments where there's skin
involved, like I just feel likeyou're staring at brad pitt the
entire time.
I mean, yes, they.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
They definitely brad pitt is the most naked man in
that whole scene exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, she's not doing too much.
It's not like basic instinct oranything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
No, no, no, no no, I think for the first time ever, I
realized that there were nakedwomen around him when he's shown
for the first time.
When I watched this I was like,oh, there's other naked people.
I was just staring at brad,that's why it was a really good
dream.
Corey, I just looked at BradPitt.
Okay Okay, he did a lot of workon that body for this movie His

(01:01:26):
body was ridiculous.
That's why he was cranky he was.
He was very cranky about that.
It worked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It worked To counter Corey's Christina Ricci.
I'm going to bring you someonethat isn't fully established yet
.
Their big movie is coming in acouple years with the Mummy.
But I'm going to give youRachel Weisz.
All right, I think she kind ofhits that Rose Byrne vibe she
does.
They look exactly alike.
But she also can play the timid, likable character but also is
feisty and can put up forherself as well and isn't going

(01:01:53):
to let Achilles just walk overher and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
They're going to have those back and forth
conversations about war and what, what the gods mean to them and
things of that nature.
But yeah, I think she's justgot the charm about her too.
Okay.
Well, look rachel vice andchristina ricci both, you know,
probably up there with myfavorite actresses.
I mean, rachel vice hasdefinitely got the british thing
.
She hasn't done the mummy yet.
She's basically playing thesame character in the mummy as
well.
She, you know, kind of, yeah,she gets held by someone she
doesn't want to and then getsrescued by, you know, a good
looking man.

(01:02:24):
So we know she can do it exactlyand she's very on the nose.
But now I need to entertainalso.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
17, I should have looked at that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Oh sorry yeah mine's 17.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
That's where I was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I messed up okay it's okay, because christ Christina
Ricci, I think at the age of 14,she stopped growing physically,
but then in the darn cat she'svery much a teenager in that
film.
But, like you said, is it a bittoo?
Will we get a bit of heat fromthe critics if I put a teenager
in this role, with our potential?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Achilles you might.
It's the 90s.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I think I need to play it safe, corey, I need to
go for Rachel Price.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Don't take it off the chess piece yet.
What are you trying?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
to pull.
What are you trying to pull?
The math ain't math in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Corey, I think I can maybe come to some sort of
defense.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It just depends, depends on a certain role.
How old was Rose Byrne, roseByrne when she came out.
When she did this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Please be 17.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
She was definitely not 17,.
I guarantee you that she wasborn in 79, so 2004,.
You're looking at?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
25.
Okay listen, alright.
Just a year from now, Just ayear from now, christina Ricci's
gonna appear in Fear andLoathing in Las Vegas as a
sexualized teenager.
Fair so, and they got no gufffor it.
That movie came out.
It was critically loved, it's?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I'm just saying, if it's all about playing it safe,
we're fine okay okay, all right,okay, I like, I love christina
richie, I do and I like the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Here it comes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I just Just do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I just wanted to make my one call here.
I know there's a movie thatsexualizes her as a teenager and
I want to know what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I love Christina Ricci, but I mean Rachel's got
the British voice as well.
That goes for her.
I'm not saying Christinacouldn't do it, and she does
look like it.
I'm afraid I'm going to have togo on the nose with this one.
I do like the wrist, though,and I do want to put Christina.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Sometimes, on the nose is good.
It's probably not the age thingas well, it's more like the
fact that I'm I'm 94 and peoplestill like it for some reason,
and that literally sexualized achild it's okay, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Rachel Weisz.
Yeah, nick, I'm going forRachel, and hopefully it doesn't
tarnish the mummy in any way atall.
Okay, right, okay, okay, nick'son the board.
We've got Rachel Weisz for therole of Briseis in 1997.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Right, I'm just embarrassed that I didn't
research that.
It's okay, we've all done it.
I wanted to play hard.
I just wanted to play hard.
I want to be in the game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
All right, so ages of my other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Who's next?
That brings us up to Paris.
What you're saying is true.
I've wronged you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
I've wronged our father.
If you want to take Helen backto Sparta, so be it, but I go
with her to Sparta.
They'll kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Then I'll die fighting, played by Orlando.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Bloom Of Pirates fame .
Lord of the Rings and Piratesfame.
This is like the middle of allthat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yes, Ash, give us a rundown of the yes played by
Orlando Bloom of Pirates, Lordof the Rings, and he tried this
again with Kingdom of Heaven andit didn't work out.
He tried another epic and giveus a rundown of the character of
Paris, please.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah, paris is the pretty boy, he's the Prince of
Troy.
His brother is Hector, theoldest son everyone looks up to
and sort of gambles away thepeace of Troy to steal Helen
away from Melanais and cause awar in the upsetting and has a
chance to redeem himself andfight for his honor, but then
chooses to carry away and heseems to be very good with a bow
and arrow which chooses thecoward's weapon, cory.

(01:06:00):
Yeah which actually defeats thegreatest warrior in greek
mythology.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
So I was an archer as a kid I found some tidbit that
said that back in that time.
Yeah, I know you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
You were considered a coward if you're an archer with
an archer fighting someone monoright but apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Um yeah, paris is meant to be one of the most
attractive men in Greekmythology, according to, I think
, pandora, I can't remember, ohno, aphrodite, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, because Aphrodite and Athena and then, I
believe, zeus's wife were allpining for him at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yeah, yeah, so he's a very attractive young man yeah
yeah, for sure, greeks are justso horny all the time.
Yeah Well, amber.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Bloom saw the character as a coward and an
idiot and I think he played thatwell.
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Apparently, though, he blocked this movie out and
did not enjoy it.
Oh really, yeah, apparently hedid not like playing the loser?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Well they, they definitely made him a loser.
I think that's.
That's kind of a thing, if youlike, sure, let him, let him get
his ass beat by Menelius, butlike, don't just make him out to
be just a complete likeincompetent warrior or anything
like that he, I mean he, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I don't know how else to play the character.
It's just like I get that it'snot a fun character to play.
Yeah, but it's like that needsto be the character.
Like you're just the dude thatgoes you're the hot younger
brother going around sleepingwith everyone the lizard lounge
yeah, and it's just like thatcomes to bite you in the butt
when you slept with the wrongwoman and then take her home
your mom and dad and so yeah, soI I think he plays fine, I

(01:07:28):
think the character's fine.
It's just.
Yeah, it's not a good one.
No, I agree, I agree I agreeabout it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
It's a good role.
Like you've got to be just goodlooking, you know.
Arguably he is the hero of thestory.
But again, like cory said,you've got the anti-hero in
achilles and you've kind of gotthe hero that we don't like in
orlando bloom, who is actually,I would say and then you're
probably going to correct mehere but he was probably the
biggest star at the time becauseparts of the caribbean blew up
and kingdom of heaven was ridley, scott's baby and lord I would

(01:07:53):
say he's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I don't know if he's the biggest I don't know, like
he's peaking at this time forsure.
Yeah, he's Lord of the Ringsending, pirates getting started
and then, yeah, kingdom Heavenafter yeah, he's kind of like um
Pedro Pascal of the 2004.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
He's in everything, maybe not he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
He's not, tom.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Cruise, but he's the Pedro Pascal yeah yeah, that's
fair, that's a fair assessment.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I'll say this do y'all think that everyone
handled the news of him takingthat dude's wife kind of well?

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Orlando Bloom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, like, I mean, I feel like when he takes Helen
of Troy, oh like, and he showshis brother, his brother's, just
kind of like damn, and then hisdad just like, oh, hey, the
dad's unfortunate well, hectoris very much like turn the boat
around.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
We gotta take him back and as they're talking,
you're like you know what wecan't?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
it's already done.
They're gonna kill you.
I can't.
You're my brother, I don't wantyou to die.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
They're gonna kill her too I still feel like
everyone's a little reserved,like they should have like
started beating him, like youjust started a war you ass.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
We literally just had a a big meetup to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You can't keep it in your pants.
Paris, we are screwed man,you've literally.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
You've literally fucked us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
You just, I just wanted someone to be more mad,
is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I just feel like he's kind I'm saying, but I think at
the same time, paris is justlike come on, guys, we'll laugh
about this later.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I kind of feel like this is like well Paris.
This is why you suck at fights.
Everyone coddles you like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
There are no consequences for your action
until the big bearded man showsup your dad gave you the sword
of Troy and beats you in frontof everybody this is your king,
is this your prince?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I'll say this I think the one thing maybe what I
think, what we're all inagreement is there's something
missing with paris the character, and I think we just don't see
that moment where he feels hisown shame and decides I'm gonna
stand up yeah, I think that'sall it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
It's until, like, even when the scene where
helena's, helen's taking care ofhim and stuff there's not like
this, there's moments where hetries to stand up and be like no
, let's stop this war, I'll,I'll, I'll just fight menelaus
and so that nothing bad has tohappen, but immediately goes
back on it when he's like yeah,I'm about to push comes to shut
me down.
He's gonna drop my head off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah all right, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Well, nick, you made it, so that's right okay, ash,
I'm gonna bring you somebodyvery 90s.
He has a big, a little bit of arun here and then kind of gets
forgotten.
His wife that he divorces laterhas the bigger run Reese
Witherspoon.
So I'm gonna give you RyanPhillippe if you guys know him
from.
I know what you did last summerCruel Intentions.
The late 90s was his time toshine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah he, he's in Studio 54.
Yeah, and then essentiallynever made it to the year 2000.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Right Never just appeared really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
In and out of some random films, yeah, so you're
pulling them of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I know what you did last.
I am yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Okay, I think, if you're not, if your name's not
Freddie Prince Jr, or worry toomuch about it, oh I love horror
movies and I would pull anyoneout of that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
It's not great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
It's a solid horror movie, but it's like I could
kill it.
It's just a scream ripoff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Yeah, but just based on the movies that are coming
out at this time, he does a goodjob, kind of being unlikable,
but I think that there's a layerto him as well.
Like in Cruel Intentions, hestarts off very pompous and un
him as he learns and growsthrough the movie.
So I think you could have asimilar performance going on in
troy with him playing paris yeah, yeah, I can.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I can see ryan philippe.
I like that one.
He's a good um I want.
His first film was crimson tide, uh, with denzel and gene
hackman a very small role, buthe's in and out of these random
films I think he's doing.
He did this jack ryan series.
He's actually quite good inthat um, but yeah, he's sort of
falling off the map.
I think he's slowly gettingwhat josh hartnett's getting a
bit of a resurgence, but it'svery slow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, the 90s guys are getting their, getting their
middle age time to shine, likebrendan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Frederick has just had his.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
I think josh hartnett is definitely getting his now,
like yeah, yeah, everything,yeah, and I'm happy holding out
for that, freddie prince jr comeback to us, freddie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Oh, come on put down your toys and come back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
He still looks good as well, Freddy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
He does.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yeah, really good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Alright, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
We've got Ryan Felipe on the mat.
Corey, who do you have tocounteract?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Ryan.
If Paul Walker wasn't currentlynot with us any longer, I would
have moved him up higher, butI'm not going to make him play
this cowardly role.
I'm going to honor his memoryby letting him be Patrickless,
who's a lot more brave.
I'm bringing you though one ofmy favorites of the 90s.
He is probably towards the no.
He'll have one more reallygreat movie with Paul Walker in

(01:12:09):
2000 before he kind of falls off, also in a bit of a resurgence.
Now, though, I'm bringing youCharlie Conway of the Mighty
Ducks, joshua Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Oh my god, Corey, I don't know if you're a genius or
you just got lucky there joshuajackson joshua jackson was
married to diane kruger, whoplayed helen of troy in troy
what are you serious?
Yeah, they divorced, but theywere married for like six years
I know she found herself a parisand and left.
Was that on purpose, corey, orwas that no?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I was just going through my like.
I weirdly like a lot of these90s dudes well, yeah, joshua
Jackson and Diane Kruger weremarried.
I just feel like Joshua Jacksonpulled this off pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
He's boyish handsome.
He's coming off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
D3 the Mighty Ducks, yeah he's coming off D3, the
Mighty Ducks he's about.
He's gonna make the skulls withPaul Walker in just a couple
years from now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah okay, okay.
So joshua jackson and ryanfelipe I mean, I love the fact
that joshua jackson was actuallymarried to helena troyer in
real life at some point and Idon't know if that's a stroke of
genius there, cory, and he doessuit the part.
I mean, I don't know if youguys remember the opening scene
of oceans 11, when brad hitplaying cards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite scenes I love that
moment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It's so funny and joshua jackson playing himself
playing poker, oh my god, andthat sort of reminds me a bit of
paris and I like that scene alot.
And ryan felipe looks more likewhat I've got in my head, but I
I think I didn't even thinkabout joshua jackson.
Um, I really like it.
I kind of like the irony thathe was actually married to Diane
Kruger.
So I'm going for Joshua Jackson.
It's that opening scene inoceans 11 as well.

(01:13:47):
I can just see that timidness,that sort of you know that
naivety, yeah.
So, yeah, the Achilles teachinghim how to play poker and him
being married to the real life.
Yeah, there's to play poker andhim being married to the real
life.
Yeah, there's a lot ofconnections there.
I like that.
Corey, I see what you've donethere, okay, cool good, good,
good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
He's essentially a free agent this year, except for
he's in a similar scene inscream 2.
He's a cameo in scream 2.
He's in the film class and he'sarguing the sequel thing with
jamie kennedy.
He is my spirit animal inscream 2 because he thinks
sequels are better, so it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
It's all making sense now.
It's all coming together.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
It's the only scene he's in.
He's not a heavier part of thatmovie at all.
He survives it, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Is that your pick, Ash?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
No, Shwood Jackson is my pick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Hey easy, Corey feels like he's won.
He got one in who's next?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
We are moving up to Agamemnon, played by Brian Cox.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Tomorrow we'll batter down the gates of Troy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I'll build monuments to victory on every island of
Greece.
I'll carve Agamemnon in thestone.
My name will last through theages.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Your name is written in sand for the waves to wash
away.
Be careful, king of kings.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
First you need the victory so I argue, is the
happiest person to be in thismovie he is.
He was super psyched to be inthe epic brian cox.
Just see like he was lovingevery minute of being in this
movie when all the other actorswere kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I don't like this as much apparently it's the only
role he's ever pursued orlandoblooms mad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
He's playing a coward brad pitt's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Like I had to quit smoking do you have to be pretty
on screen, kind of like I hadto shave my chest.
This sucks, brad pitt.
Do you have to be a movie star?
Oh, so far for you oh man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
So yeah, uh, tell us about agamemnon um ash yeah,
he's sort of the quintessentialleader manly don't want to mess
with him the warlord of greece,and he uses helen to take over
troy, something he's wanted todo for a long, long time.
This personal vendetta he's hadwith yeah to storming the walls
of troy and this was theperfect catalyst for it very

(01:16:00):
good character.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah, yeah, great role.
He's really good.
He's incredible in this yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
It's just that scene where, um, you know, um, his
brother gets stabbed and then hejust screams that that scene
it's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I don't think it's like.
This is my epic moment, rightbut you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
But he plays the scream also works so well too,
because it's like, clearly, likehe's it's a half and half, like
yes, he's like oh crap, mybrother's dead.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
But it's also like this is my moment, I can use
this like he's so good, like Imean obviously the opening scene
, you know, when brad pitt'sfighting that giant and he's
like you call my warrior, I'llcall yours, and then he's got
that really cocky look and he'slike achilles.
And then like someone comes inand is like where is he?
And it's just that switch upfrom being egotistic to like
where the hell is he?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
He is 100% a politician in this movie, like a
warlord, but also playing allthe people like chess pieces for
sure.
Oh, your wife left you.
Oh, that sucks.
Yeah, we'll go get her.
Yeah, no problem.
Get a couple ships.
Yeah, about a thousand moreplus.
Maybe We'll take Troy.
Maybe I think it's your turn,corey.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Corey yeah, Corey, you made the last one.
I liked it.
It was good you seemedconfident you seemed confident
in your pick.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
No, I'm okay with my Agamemnon pick.
Can I say what I wanted to do,though?
Sure, I really wanted to pitcha Travolta-Cage combo for
Menelaus and Agamemnon.
I wanted Travolta playingMenelaus and I wanted Travolta
playing Menelaus and I wantedCage playing the conniving
warlord of Greece.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
You would have destroyed Face Off.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
But Face Off came out in 1997.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
You would have destroyed Quantum Recast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It is literally inspiration for this podcast, so
I couldn't do it.
I texted Nick last night.
I was like can I kill Face Off?

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I was like I don't really think you can.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I don't know if I can convince Ash to, but and
technically, Con Air came outthe same year as well, so he'd
be killing.
That it's true.
It's also this year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
But it would have been brilliant.
We know what Longhair Cagelooks like.
It's glorious, and just himpretending like he cares about
Travolta and anything and hejust wants to take over Troy.
He would have been unhinged andit would have been great and
his scream, wide-eyed scream,would have been brilliant, oh
God, all right.
So instead of that, I'mbringing you he's older, but

(01:18:18):
he's a pro I'm bringing you GeneHackman.
Gene Hackman as Agamemnon,because Gene.
Hackman's good at playing theold man villain.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
He loves to play a villain.
He's good at it.
He's great at playing the oldman villain.
He does well in both roles, Iwould say, but he's definitely
known for being a villain.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Oh yeah, he's just so good.
It's that whole weird, uncannyoff-putting villain.
You think he's your friend thewhole time and he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
He's got a cockiness to him too, like whether he's
playing lex luther or the guythe character in the clint
eastwood.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Uh, absolute power, yeah so he's just gonna pretend
like he gives a crap about.
Uh, whoever we cast um,whatever nick, christopher
plumber or no, not christopherplumber, uh, oh, liam neeson,
that was my guy you're a dumbpick, cory.
Yeah, sorry, my dumb pick.
Yeah, he's gonna pretend likehe cares about liam neeson just
to get his war.
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I'm a big fan of Gene Hackman, love him, I want him
to do more stuff.
And this is two years afterwhat Crimson Tide, absolute
Power is going to take a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I can take that .
Yeah, he's not going to playthe president this year.
Instead, he's going to.
Yeah, so instead of corruptpresident, we get corrupt
warlord of greece.
Well, that's a pretty strongchoice, and you know, it's hard
to argue against it, so much sothat I also picked gene hackman.
Nice, did you really?
I did, I was on the fence.

(01:19:39):
I will say I was on the fencewith sean connery that would
have been interesting I was veryon the fence about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I just don't know if sean can commit to a villain to
that well, you get, you get therock, the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
That would have been interesting.
I was very on the fence aboutit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I just don't know if Sean can commit to a villain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Well, you get the Rock the year before, so it's
kind of like he's an anti-hero.
So you're kind of like maybethis leads him into it, maybe
we're like you had fun doingthat, right, how about playing
Agamemnon?
So, for the sake of argument,ash, I'm out there.
But if you, if you're, if yourheart's already set on gene
hackman, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
so, um, so if you were to pick sean connery and
cory remains with gene hackman.
You're asking me to choosebetween the two.
It's something to think about.
It's not a direct pick to gene,I think now here here's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Here's why I switched to gene hackman, because I just
it felt too much like he wouldfail out of place, like it's
almost like maybe he's too big aname or like his Scottish
accent's gonna really throwthings off.
It's gonna be a Highlandersituation like where everybody
else is kind of doing kind ofthe English thing and he's just
full on like Scottish.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I mean Britain, gleeson, where's?

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
he from?

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
No, that's true, yeah , he's also Irish.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
I think we're okay with any European accent yeah,
that's fair I actually think theonly American in the top six is
Achilles, brad Pitt, everyoneelse is from Britain I think
that's true or Australia.
But no, I think I wouldprobably go more Gene Hackman
because he's the better actorand I know that's blasphemous,
but I think Gene Hackman is oneof the best actors out there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
I don't think that's out of pocket to say necessarily
.
I think he's fantastic actually, yeah, and I really got that
ego about him as well.
I know sean as well.
Sean's got it for sure.
But I mean, you're gonna rootagainst, uh, gene hackman in
this movie for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
On with, intentionally, like you're gonna
be like yeah he's, he's a baddude yeah, it's hard to have
james bond there as well.
Um, I know you're just comingoff the rock, but you do kind of
love Sean Connery in the rock.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Right, yeah, and you love Brian Brian Cox in this
movie, but it's just becausehe's so good at it.
Yeah, he's just the acting, butyeah, no, I like, I like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
The fact that you both picked Gene Hackman and
Sean Connery has, you know, mademe think a few more seconds
longer, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
What's next?
Well, we're into our top threenow, and we're going to start
that off with Helen of Troy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
They're coming for me .
The wind is bringing themcloser.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
It should be noted that this particular role was, I
guess, difficult for WolfgangPeterson.
Halle Berry, keira Knightley,kristen Kruk, jennifer Lopez,
jennifer Lopez, sophie Marceau,connie Nielsen and Katharine
Jones were all considered.
Even Katie Holmes auditioned.
She actually did screen testing, screen testing.
But Wolfgang Petersonapparently wanted a no-name.
He just said we need something,just otherworldly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I guess he almost didn't want Helen of Troy in the
film at all.
He was like we're not going toshow her because the expectation
was too high.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
It's 1997 and the studio's like just cast a babe
was too high.
It's 1997 and the studio's likejust cast a babe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Just cast a babe.
Please Find the prettiest womanin the world that can act and
put her in there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
But yes, played by Diane Kruger, apparently Mrs
Jackson for a while, for 10years and of Inglourious
Bastards and National Treasurefame.
So she would work with BradPitt again.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Not really.
No, not really in this one didI Not that not really.
No, that really in this one.
No, no, no scenes All right,but they had to keep the pretty
people away from each otherbecause they didn't want to put
Helen and Troy next to Brad Pittin peak 2004.
My eyes, Everyone's suddenlylike wait, like wait.
What?
Who are we fighting for?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
it's too beautiful, um, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
So, uh ash, give us a quick rundown of helen of troy
well, helen of troy is meant tobe the most beautiful woman in
existence.
She's the wife of menelaus,she's not exactly smitten to him
and she eventually runs awaywith paris, sparking the war of
troy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yes, I think I think diane kruger, because this is
like her big breakout role and Ithink she does well she's not
given a lot she's.
It really is like kind of sitthere, look pretty like, look
out the window kind of thing,like you're you're.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
You're very much being treated like an object,
literally with the film, butalso with, like her husband,
alais, and stuff like she's,she's a, she's a, she's a chess
piece that all these people areworking around, yeah, and and
this, this is the thing as well,like they did this thing with
once upon a time in hollywood ofmargot robbie, and she doesn't
say much as well and she's moreof an image, and it's sort of
hard to sort of give someonewho's been deceased or killed
you know horribly, uh, speakingpart and it was the same.

(01:23:58):
I think they what they shouldhave done and I kind of agree.
But you know the film air thatben affleck with Matt Damon,
yeah, they never showed MichaelJordan and I thought that was
actually quite a good move to do.
I didn't that was brilliant,yeah, yeah, I read about that.
I was like well, what does thatmean?
How they're gonna do that, andI think if they did that with
Helen of Troy it it might haveworked.
Now that I've seen it, now, nowthat I've seen it in air, it
could have maybe worked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I get the idea.
I just think when you're makingan epic like this and you're in
the whole point like yeah,you're trying to sell the
michael jordan the shoe, butlike people are trying to fight
for helen of troy, I I kind ofweirdly with ash on here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Let's make her a macbeth and we only ever see her
from the back and we just havepeople's faces going oh gosh.
Wow, she's hooded like you cannever see her.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
It's just well, I think, I just I think they did a
decent enough job giving hersome characterization in this
movie there's.
There's the scene before, uh,the big battles start happening,
where she tries to run awayback to menelaus just so and and
hector actually has to stop herand she's like I'm dooming all
these people, like actually it'safter the first battle and all
the the wives and stuff arecrying over the the bed, the
dead that are being buried andstuff in the funeral pyre.

(01:25:03):
So so I think they do a goodenough job giving her work to do
, because there is a lot of justthe sit there and look pretty.
They give her enough moments.
I think maybe it's also in theextended edition where she's
given more layers and stuff aswell.
Character development.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Alright, alright then .

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Okay, well, we both made it, and you made it
previously with your MightyDucks pick.
So who do you have, corey?

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Okay, helen of Troy, you know it worked for Nick.
I'm going to go pretty on thenose here, ash, but remember you
praised Nick for it earlier.
But Groundwork, I've never seenDevil's Advocate with.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Keanu.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Reeves in Al Pacino.
But I'm pulling Charlize Theronright out of that and she's
going to be my Helen of Troy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
That's a strong choice.
That's hard to argue that yeah,it's Charlize Theron.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
She's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
She's incredibly gorgeous.
She's just getting started.
She was just in that thing youdo, yeah, and that was just her
starting role.
Tom Hanks just plucked her outof obscurity and then, yeah,
she's Whoa, she's attractive.
Put her in movies.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
No she is absolutely, she is attractive.
I like the pic South Africanearly on.
She's good in Devil's Advocate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
And she's also really good at acting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
She'd also say that Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Charlize, on top of being no, you listen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
You are also a phenomenal actress.
Our local friend.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Monster was unbelievable Hers and probably
Christina Ricci's best role,Furiosa too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I mean, she did so good in a movie, they made a
different movie.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
I can't wait to see that it's coming out next week,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
It's coming up.
It's coming out.
It'll be out by the time thisepisode's out.
Yeah, exactly Right on time shewas a Children of the Corn
actress.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Oh, she was on Crypto .

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
This year.
Yeah, she's HollywoodConfidential Devil's Advocate,
then she's doing.
The next big notable thing wasMighty Joe Young, the Disney
movie.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
She was in a mock bus act in 1997?
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah, and then Astronaut's Wife Cider House
Rules.
Yeah, she's getting ReindeerGames.
That's a fun one.
That's a fun one, that's a,that's a fun.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Yeah, she's an astronaut's wife with death men
of honors as well.
Yeah, this is pretty much thestart for her career, but like,
yeah, so I'm even, I'm even inline here that we're kind of
getting a relatively unknownyeah yeah, that's true, that's
true.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
So I like that nick.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
What you got, my choice is the only other person
that I was considering, otherthan my choice, was bridget
wilsonSampras of Mortal Kombatand Billy Madison fame Veronica.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Oh, my gosh, veronica .

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
I was very tempted to throw her in, but we're two for
two, Corey, because I alsopicked Charlize Theron.
Are you serious?
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
I'm having a swell time everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
He's just bored.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
He's like I guess yeah you're're right, unless I
pull an override, no I won'tknow, you could well listen,
listen, I'll tell you somethingI was about to do.
Uh, you've both picked the sameactress.
I like her.
I was seeing if you were goingto go a different direction with
her, maybe like a brunette orsomething like a brunette all
right, no, just something a bitmore.
I don't know, but you know whatI'm tempted.

(01:28:07):
I do have someone in my pocket,but I'm I'm saving it, because
we've got two big names comingup and I don't have a clue what
you guys have done there.
So who?

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
would you have?

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
considered for this now oh well, for 1997 no, yeah
for helen.
If you said you had someone inyour pocket but you're not going
to do it, who was it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
alicia silverstone.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Oh okay, yeah, that's fair, that's a fair one too, I
think Charlize works well too,because she hasn't blown up yet
but she's Batgirl this year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
You can't take her out of Batman and Robin Ash,
she's incredibly important tothe storyline, she's Alfred's
niece something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I think Charlize works here because she is a bit
of a no-name at this point, andlike yeah and so when people
they're not going to attributeuh, clueless or anything to her,
they're just gonna be like, wow, she's stunning.
But then they're gonna be like,wow, she's a really good
actress.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
On top of this, too, she's killing it but some badass
in the theater's gonna likewhoa, that's the girl from
children of the corn floor.
Right, I knew she's gonna be athing, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
I told you she was going to be huge, alright.
So before we go on to the nextone, apparently so.
Homer was intentionally vagueFor the readers in his
description of Helen, but inanother poem she's described as
Xanthe X-A-N-T-H-E, whichtranslates to anywhere between
blonde, light, brown and reddish.
So really, really vague.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
So essentially the color of a king's hair.
In this movie, it's just justgold.
All right, all right.
Move it up to our top two,which brings us to hector,
played by the incrediblyunderrated eric bonner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
He's, he's kind of mvp of this movie.
He's awesome in this movie mvpof the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Yeah, he wants to plan a strategy based on bird
science actor.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
Show respect.
I've always honored the god'sfather.
You know that.
But today I fought a greek whodesecrated the statue of apollo.
Apollo didn't strike the mandown.
The gods won't fight this warfor us you're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I feel like he should be a bigger deal he, just he.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
This was like the.
This was the two-face role ofthis movie, the aren't hulk
movie, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
that bad to kill a career?
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
the angley hulk movie , I guess I think that one gets
hated on because of the air itcame out, the expectations about
it, but then when, when youlook at it now, you're like
angley was making a comic bookmovie and he was like trying to
do something with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah I, I thinkeric bonner, just yeah, his, his
, his career just got kind ofcursed because, yeah, he does
phenomenal work in this role andhe played I guess he was more

(01:30:33):
of a comedy actor at some pointsbecause he's known for this
role in chopper, which I haven'tseen, but he's also in munich,
the spielberg movie yeah,chopper's actually a very
violent film.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
He's really good in it yeah, but he's got fantastic
range.
The australian criminal yeah,yeah, a lot of range yeah, he
pops up here and there, that'sright.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
He was the villain in the jj movie, the star trek
reboot yeah, it was in nero,wasn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
yeah, no eric barner is is just, he's always around.
He's very, yeah, very, veryattractive man as well and he's
um.
He should be more, and I thinkthere was a consideration he was
going to be Bond in 2006.
Nice, I would have watched this.
Funny enough, he was withDaniel Craig on the Munich set
when Daniel Craig found out hewas going to be Bond.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
That sucks, oh no Did you get the role.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
No, I didn't get it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
No, I got it.
Craig walks in like guys.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Yeah, that's literally like yeah, and I was
in the audience Eric Bonner.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Eric.
Bonner's just sitting andcatering, like talking to, like
some of the other guys, like,yeah, man, I'm really like me
and my agent are pretty highhopes about Bon.
And then Daniel Craig likebursts in and goes guys, I'm the
new James Bon.
And just like cracks a beer,open farts.
And like Eric Bonner's, justlike congratulations his pager
goes off hey, you got Troy, yay.

(01:31:47):
Congratulations, I'm reallyhappy for you, his pager goes
off.
Hey, you got troy, yeah whichis why eric bonner also doesn't
look happy in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
He just found out so apparently, one quick tidbit was
brad pitt and him did not usestump doubles for their duel at
the end.
Uh, they made a gentleman'sagreement to pay for every
accidental hit 50 bucks for eachlight blow and 100 for each
hard blow.
Pit ended up paying bonnet 750dollars, and bonnet didn't owe
pit anything eric bonnet is aprofessional, professional
professional well, actually, uh,you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
I, me and my friend were obsessed with it.
We tried to rehearse, rehearse,like the fight scene loads of
times back in, like when we were15, 16, and we realized that
brad pitt swings more times thanhector does.
Hector's actually justdefending and swings only three
times.
So it would logically andprobability wise, brad pitt
would probably end up doing thatmore oh yeah, he's kind of he's

(01:32:39):
.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
He takes the, the strategy that he told paris,
like mental is big and he'sgoing to tire out.
So just tire him out, andthat's what he's trying to do
with Achilles.
But he's, achilles, dude,literally has a motor that won't
stop.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
And he changes his tactics because when he swipes
him and then Brad, he kind ofjust sort of forfeits and is
like, okay, you're gonna kill menow, wait I have a question
Does someone tell Paris aboutAchilles' weakness?

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
tell Paris about Achilles' weakness On the ankle.
No, I think it's just a straything.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
So he's actually a shitty archer he is he's like
aiming for?
Brad Pitt's head and justhappens to hit him in the ankle,
because I think Brad Pitt'simmortality leaves Again, we're
playing with the idea thatthey're very low-key, that the
Greek myths aren't being pushedaround.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
I'm sure there's the legend of Achilles going on, I
was sure there's the legend ofachilles going on, I mean I was
just literally wondering in themovie if someone tells you that
remember it being like, like itwould have been hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Forlando bloom knew the whole time that he had a
weakness and forgot to tell hisbrother, yeah yeah oh shit I for
aim for the ankle, it's quite.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
I think in the movie they cover it quite.
They cover it quite wellbecause um paris, paris sees her
, sees him and he's huggingbriseis.
So the only part that he can'trisk hitting Briseis is his leg.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
So he picks the furthest point away from Briseis
, which would be his ankle.
So there's some strategy to it,because he practiced for like
three days, corey.
Yeah, three whole days.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
My idea is more fun.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
I like it more.
The gods decided, Corey.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Ash quick quick.
Descriptor of Hector EricBanner.
God's decided Corey, but Ashquick quick.
Descriptor of.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Hector, it's been a long time.
Yeah, hector.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Eric Banner play in Hector.
First born son of Troy, he'sthe leader of the Trojan Aria
and he's you know, he'sconsidered the greatest warrior
in Troy, Thinks logically,trusts his own instincts and he
doesn't listen to any of theseomens or priests.
He's quite leader of allleaders, I would say, in the
Greek mythology.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
The moral compass of the movie, I would say.
There's a lot of scenes whereit's like they're doing the omen
thing and he's like, ah, thisagain.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
That's his whole struggle is trying to be the
strong leader and thenconstantly being screwed over
and he's just surrounded by hiscoward brother his superstitious
dad.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
He's like, damn it, Just his coward brother, his
superstitious dad.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
He's like damn it, Just stay inside.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
They clearly can't get in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I say we go out there and kick their ass.
I say we go back out there,stop and butthole them and kick
them back to the Aegean Sea.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Some dude's playing with bird's eyes and he's like
no, no, we're going to go backout where they kicked our ass
yesterday.
Only this time we're going kicktheir ass hector's, literally
like guys did.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
We defense wins championships.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Okay, come on the bulls would only had two rings
if it wasn't for dennis rodman.
You guys are clearlymisunderstanding this.
Uh, all right, all right, allright.
So, um, nick, I'm gonna let yougo first here, because we've
tied twice now and I feelselfish, and you and what you
don't know is you took my pickfor Hector early on with Val
Kilmer, so I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
So I guess we're not going to nail that one, unless
you just happen to have mysecond pick pulled out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
This is a wild theory honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
So we have, corey and I have done three in a row
before where we've had the samepick.
We did 1969's Sleepless inSeattle, we did the top three,
remember.
There we've had the same pickback.
We did 1969 sleepless inseattle, we did the top three,
remember right?
Yeah, so if we there'spotential here that we could
potentially do do more, but Idon't think we're going to no, I
went wild here I.
I'm tempted to just pull georgeclooney up my casting chart and

(01:36:01):
just put him here for you topick.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna.
My pick was crazy as well.
So my second choice and youtalked about it earlier, it's
movie.
You said you really enjoyed itand it was a subtle performance
for him.
I'm used to alone.
Okay, sylvester Stallone.
I think it's more of hiswheelhouse like, where he was
trying to play the cop and copand he does a great job here.

(01:36:26):
But I think it's because themystique of stallone was too far
in place and it became too leftfield for him.
Okay, but you give him thisrole where it's still action,
it's still tied in his world,but he gets all those abilities
to have the nuanced performancegoing on, you get to see like,
wow, stallone's got someone'sgot more in the bag than than we
thought he did.
So I think, like being the olderbrother, being the strategic
leader, like everybody's gonnabe, like well, stallone, he's

(01:36:48):
gonna talk like this the wholetime, but it's like, no, that's
the character of stallone.
Like yeah, when he's 70 hetalks like that, but right now
he's like in his 40s and he'sstill like in pretty much the
tail end of his peak run, Iwould say yeah.
So I'm gonna give you, I'mgonna give you the aging, the
starting to age stallone here togive us, like a Copland style,
performance of a subtlety, butstill get to be an action hero

(01:37:10):
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
We'll call it a passing of the torch moment for
whoever Achilles becomes okay,just to clarify here and to our
viewers you were gonna pick ValKilmer, yes, but Corey stole it
from me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Ash still has a switcheroo.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
That's true you can put.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Stallone here and then switch him to Odysseus.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
You're not out of the game yet.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
This is my biggest roll of the dice here.
That's because I'm not going togo through this without Titanic
getting out of this intact.
That movie's too precious toeverybody.
I'm going to attempt to justkick James Cameron in his left
testicle.
Who do you got?

(01:37:51):
Who are you pulling?
I'm not bringing leo, he wouldbe terrible yeah too young for
this, I'm bringing you thevillain billy freaking zane.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Billy zane billy zane's just majestic looking, I
think he could play.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I think he can play face.
He didn't tombstone, he playedface, he tried with the phantom
or whatever.
I'm just sick of the saint andthe phantom.
I'm just killing all thosemovies.
Forget this.
But yeah, I feel like we couldput someone else in that role in
Titanic and it'd be fine, it'snot like it made his career.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
It gave him the phantom and he just blew it
right away the phantoms.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
After this, I thought it was a late 90s thing, early
early 90s thing.
I thought it was like after ohno, there's that while they
tried to do the fandoms 96, sothis is okay, so he's already,
oh man so titanic should havegot him back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Should have, should have jumped him back, but he, he
does not know.
Hey, he's an ssx tricky as avoice.
I didn't, he'd be in a coolvideo game.
Yeah, kingdom Hearts you knowhe's Billy Zane.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
He looks like a guy that belongs in an epic sand and
sandals movie.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
And I like the idea of him being a good guy instead
of being the douche on the boat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Ok, ok, so sure, sure .

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
A face turn, if you will.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
In my mind.
I thought Hugh Jackman actingin Australia right now, but that
seemed like a pretty easy punch.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Like the pull him out of obscurity a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Let me just bring him over a couple years early.
He is acting, he's mostly doingsong and dance man over in
Australia.
That's fair, but it just seemedlike I'm just bringing you the
Eric Bana again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Yeah, for me this is the best performance of the film
and Nick Bronson, stallone,stallone's underrated Rocky and
Nick brought you Stallone.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Stallone's underrated Rocky doesn't work, he sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
I've got Stallone and I've got the Phantom.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Nick brought you post-demolition man Stallone.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
He's an aging older warrior, his biggest rival is
playing Mr Freeze this year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
it's a layup for him really I need to think Hold on a
second Right.
So still Vesta Salone and BillyZane, okay, the good thing
about what?
Eric Banner was perfect forthat role simply because his
compass was always facing northand you could see that in him,
and we didn't really have a lensof Eric Banner being anything

(01:40:08):
else unless you did watch thoseindie movies like chopper or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
yeah, yeah, yeah heartthrob.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
He, you, just, you, just look at him.
He doesn't even need to speakand you get it.
You know who he is, I look atstallone override I look at
stallone and I look at billyzane.
Now, billy zane's a very goodlooking guy, um, and he's played
heroes before, sure, but hedoes have that hint of
antagonism in him, and that'svery obvious from Titanic.
He's got that.
I don't want to use this now,though.
Okay, this is where I need tobe tactical.

(01:40:35):
I need someone who I am goingto like and someone who I'm
going to fight, okay, so this iswhat I'm going to do.
I can't pick Stallone for this.
I'm sorry, nick.
I can't pick Stallone for this.
I'm sorry, nick.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
I can't pick Stallone , come on.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
But I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
You could pick Stallone and swap him with Val
Kilmer.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
You could pick Billy Zane and switch him with Val
Kilmer.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
Okay, I'm going to put ValKilmer in there.
So I'm going to pick Billy Zaneand we're going to swap him for
Val Kilmer.
So, and we're going to swap himfor Val Kilmer.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
So Billy Zane is now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Odysseus, odysseus.
So Billy Zane is now going tobe the guy that thinks of the
good old Trojan horse trick.
Okay, that works.
And then Val Kilmer will playHector Okay, yeah, that's what
I'm going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Who was your original pick?

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
You know Billy Zane's got the exact going to do Val
Kilmer's playing Hector.
I'm picking Billy Zane,swapping him over.
That's what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
So in a roundabout way I got my pick.
You think you?

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
won, so you got your original choice but it's my.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Val.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Kilmer.
That got the role.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Yeah, so I picked Corey's role to swap for your
original role.
That was actually Corey's rolein the 30 seconds or less Got it
Got it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Okay, cool, great, all right.
So listeners, billy Zane is nowplaying Odysseus and Val Kilmer
has now been moved up to Hector, which just leaves us with one
person left Corey.
Achilles, played by Brad Pitt.
You can end this war with aswing of your sword.
Think how many songs they'llsing in your honor.

(01:42:07):
Let him go home to their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Imagine a king who fights his own battles.
Wouldn't that be a psych?

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
who is the biggest movie star of the world,
probably even at this point he'shuge he's up there, he's he's
hit the a-list.
He's done fight club motions 11he's going to do once upon a
time in hollywood and he's goingto regret doing Mr and Mrs
Smith over and over and overagain, because that wrecks his
whole life.
Should have just stayed withAniston man.
Alright, so give us a rundownof the character of Achilles.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Achilles, the greatest warrior of all time.
He was meant to be a demigod,and still a bit of debate about
who his mother was.
And he is the person who ismeant to be invincible and only
has one vulnerable point, whichis his heel, the only part in
which his mother I think it washis mother dipped him into the
sphinx river.
Yeah, I didn't touch the water.
Everything that touched waterwas invincible, which is shown

(01:43:05):
actually in the movie when he'shaving a fight scene and he
actually puts the shield on theback and arrow just about hits
him, and that's a veryinteresting scene because it
implies the gods are watchingover him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah, it's a very interesting character yeah,
apparently there's a lot ofarrow imagery throughout the
movie to like allude to what'scoming.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Gotcha, okay yeah, okay, I'm thinking back on it.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
He was his first choice to play.
Uh, achilles was wolfgangpeterson's and then, like I said
, yeah, he tore his leftachilles tendon during
production.
He trained for six months,stopped smoking and that's what
made him groggy 17.5 million,though, oh, you had to stop
smoking, oh I'm so sorry for you.
Brad pitt listens nick listen,he needs to be told, he needs to

(01:43:43):
be brought down a notch.
He's probably like yeah, you'reright, you're right, you can
smoke all you want now, brad,it's all good.
Smoke away, I think he does, fornot wanting to be in the movie
and not really being into it.
I think he does a decent job.
You, corey, said that it didn'tconnect for you or anything.
No, it doesn't connect, but itworks that it doesn't connect I
think, I think you he's not init, but he still, he still is a

(01:44:06):
professional has come up like aguy that's like I'm getting paid
$70 million here and I lookgreat hey it's probably the it's
you can put it up there withlike the greatest a human beings
probably looked in a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's wild, so all right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Whose turn is it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
I'm honestly, Ash, I have no idea whose turn it is.
Hold on Hold on, we've tied.
There was a switcheroo.
Nick got what he originallywanted Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Technically it's Corey's because I picked Billy
Zane.
That's true, corey.
I am going over to you.
God, help us, achilles, give mesomeone, corey, who you got.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
I've approached Achilles, I think in the same
way Wolfgang Peterson approachedHelen Troy.
I'm someone, cory, who you got.
I've approached achilles, Ithink in the same way wolfgang
peterson approached hello troy.
I'm like this is kind ofuntouchable.
I can't just bring anybody,some a-lister, to this and put
them up against pit, true, so Ididn't really go a-list, though
I am pulling a guy probably outof the biggest movie he did at
the time.
Um, I've just never seen it.

(01:45:05):
Nor do I care about this movie,this Oscar nominated movie.
But I'm bringing you Guy Pierceand I'm pulling him out of LA
Confidential.
Guy Pierce is British, he looksgood, he's buff and I don't
know what.
I just don't know anythingabout LA Confidential enough to
care about it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
I just know that he's in it pretty much his movie
like that between that andMemento.
Those two are going to be theones that everybody remembers
him for.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Iron man 3?
Iron man 3, yeah, the one-off.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
The Shane Black classic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, he was great.
He was good.
He was good.
I'm sorry.
I just feel like you have tobring a dude that's not going to
like.
I can't bring an A-lister here.
He's just not going to lookgood, it's not going to feel
right.
I'm bringing just a guy that Ifeel like has a lot to prove.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Okay, all right, you've gone a different angle.
I like Guy Pearce, and GuyPearce is a very good actor and
he's got a great body.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
And while it confidential, you put him in
this kind of role and there'spotential for him to have a very
different career.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
I'm not taking him out, I'm not making him freaking
Odysseus here.
I'm giving him the role to beAchilles here, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Just digesting that.
Okay, guy Pierce.
Okay, fine, nick so.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Corey, I went exactly the opposite of what you were
thinking.
I'm bringing you the biggestmovie star in the world, cory
free agent this year.
He's about to go on another runof his many runs.
We don't get to talk about himtoo much because he's always
busy.
This is where I'm dropping tomcruise, cory.
He's five foot three.
It's the magic of filmmaking,cory.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Everyone's short in hollywood everyone's short,
maybe kilmer's kind of tall, butit's a solid six one, he's six,
he's solid, six one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
But they'll make Tom Cruise look good.
Hey, listen, you don't got tobe tall to be a good warrior,
corey, he's got to look goodwhile doing it.
It could be.
Achilles is portrayed in thismovie as as a dude that has
solid, solid hops, has a, has ahorizontal, he can go anywhere
he wants to on the field of play.
This is not a bulking, hulkingSchwarzenegger role.

(01:47:06):
This is.
This is an all-around NBA, allfirst team right here
multi-tooled athlete here andthen you got to think about the
star power like Cruz is justgoing to eat up those that
scenery when he's arguing withAgamemnon and Gene Hackman.
He's going to seduce and himand Rachel Weisz are going to
have a nice little love storygoing on and then hit him and

(01:47:27):
Val Kilmer get to have a rematchfrom Top Gun.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I'm coming off like Jerry freaking McGuire, jerry
McGuire.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
It's right before the Mission Impossible 2, magnolia
Longhair I was going to say thesecond.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
I argue this is not a good run.
Everyone gets precious abouthis weird 2000s run.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
Yeah, but it's going to add to it, it's going to make
it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Eyes Wide Shut's a shitty movie.
Magnolia's a shitty movie.
Vanilla Sky's a shitty movie.
Minority Report's an overratedshitty movie.
The Last Samurai's a shittymovie.
Collateral's a shitty movie.
It gets back on track at War ofthe Worlds.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Everyone thinks it's a shitty movie but me.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
This is Corey's pleasure of the Tom Cruise run.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
I'm with Nick on this .
I like that run.
I really do.
I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
This is just going to add to it.
This is where he was trying toreally be an actor's actor and
an action star at the same time.
I hate it.
And somebody had to say pick alane dude.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
I hate it and I'm glad he said I'll just make
eight more mission impossiblemovies.
I would rather just strap myass to the side of a plane and
hope for death but here he'sgonna strap a shield on one hand
, sword on the other you know,he's gonna drag val kilmer's
body around the the troy walls?
it's like okay, here's my thing,I'm gonna have opinions about

(01:48:42):
tom cruise here.
Okay, it like in 1997, we havenot seen a buff Tom Cruise, we
haven't, for whatever reason.
He decides to get buff in hisfifties, he decides I'm not
going to work out until I'm 50years old.
Well, as we know, in JackReacher and in rock of ages and
stuff, the guy can put on sureLike he can put on some mass and

(01:49:04):
he can look good, you know.
And so like he can put on somemasks and he can look good.
I don't doubt his ability to doit when he's a young man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Top Gun is a thing that exists.
There's a volleyball scenewhere they're all topless Corey,
but he's not in great shape.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
He's in shape Val Kilmer's, making him look stupid
out there we're going to putVal Kilmer through that again,
being bested by Tom Cruise.
Yep, listen, not everybody getsmaverick and iceman not
everybody gets desert.
Not everybody gets to be theleading man but what I'm saying
is like I don't doubt hisability to put on mass and put

(01:49:36):
on muscles as a young man, yeah.
So I'm not gonna likenecessarily get like too lost in
the fact that we all know he'stechnically kind of a small.
Sure, sure, it is hollywood, wecan make him look bigger, blah,
blah, blah, and it's just.
I don't guess I have that much.
If I can get past that, I can'tlike really bash it too bad,
because he's a great actor yeah,yeah, I don't think you do an

(01:49:57):
accent british accent well,neither could brad pitt for some
reason yeah, brad pitt's wasn'tgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
So you just listen.
Tom cruise is gonna make youbelieve he's.
He's got a british accent orit's just whatever accent they
decide to go with I don't know,it's interesting uh, I once
again um lost, um torn hey, butyou kept your override, that's
true.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
You do have your override safe here I've got an
override and I do have a namethat you didn't pick, but I'm
just thinking so look, nick's,right, you do need a name.
This is the person in front ofthe poster.
This is the image.
You need a big name.
You do need an a-lister.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
I agree with that we got one, we got uh val kilmer,
she happened joshua jackson tomcruise.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
I just can't see on a horse for one.
I know he's done it in lastsamurai on a horse in this movie
.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
I love that ash is getting caught up on the horse
barely on a horse the horse isgonna make him look small, he's
fair, he's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
I don't even know a scene.
He's on a horse.
I have to get a miniature horse.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
I don't know if he's on a horse in a scene, I mean
when he rides up the chariot,the only scene that would make
sense the chariot, cory, stackit.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I just we'd ruin this for action on the top two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
I mean, I've got rocky, I've got oh my, yeah,
it's just.
There's what the direction thishas gone is interesting.
Look, guy pierce is perfect forthe role.
However, he's not a name.
That's the thing.
He's like willem dafoe he is ana-lister to hollywood, but to
audience members he's not.
He's in and out of mainstreamindie movies.
So guy pierce is perfect forthis, but he's not the person

(01:51:29):
that's going to sell it, and Idon't want val kilmer to sell it
because it's not his movie.
He's going to carry the movie,but he's not going to sell the
movie.
We need the bodess, we need thefront cover and we need a name,
and that's where tom cruiseliterally falls short.
He's got, he is the name, but Ijust can't see him playing
Achilles, because Achilles isthis power, this demigod.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Achilles is like.
It's not like Brad Pitt makeshim this hulking mass.
He's very agile, achilles.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
He's an ectomorph.
He didn't put on a lot.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
I'm not saying you go Chris Hemsworth on the role or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
But even think back to the opening scene when he
shows up and takes out theGoliath eight-foot-tall looking
dude.
That's setting the tone to me.
It's like no, Achilles isn'tlike the Schwarzenegger Stallone
in the 80s type of dude, he'sthe agile.
I know how to fight, I'm thegreatest warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
So my override was going to be and this is a guy
who can definitely buff up andhe's done action films before
and I think he is probablybetter looking than Val Kilmer
and that would be Kurt Russelland I would put him as the role
of Achilles and I think he coulddefinitely do the role.
Yes, I would have a tombstonereunion, but that doesn't matter
, that would be okay.
And he is a name, because he'san 80s name, so I'd have the
name, I'd have the good looks, Iwould have to take him out of
whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
What, yeah, hold on, hold on whoa breakdown.
I told you we're gonna decimate1997 he's playing a regular dad
, my regular husband, try tomake it happen this is the thing
I, kurt russell, has all threeof those.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
He's the name, he's got the name, he's got the looks
and he has the.
He can have the body for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
He's had the body before I didn't think about kurt
be 46 at this point.
Yeah, 46, and I don't thinkthere's any drop off.
You know, I think I think the80s you're definitely like yeah,
I get, I totally get whereyou're going with it, but it's
like the 90s, he's not having asbig a decade as he was and
that's why I kind of want to puthim in this film, because I
kind of want to just sort ofrecharge him because he's still

(01:53:24):
looking good for that age andbreakdown.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
He looked good sure sure he's got the hair, he can
do that.
The accent's the only thingthat worries me.
Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yeah, I think I think in the 90s we're generally fine
like yeah, braveheart's a thingthat happens a few years
earlier and everyone's very,it's very accurate.
But this is kind of like swordand sandals to the t of like
it's.
It's that 80s mentality of likeyeah, we don't really care if
you have an American accent, theBritish accent, like just make
us just do the things, fight thefights, kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
Do you know?
What I'm thinking about is thefight scene that they have with
Val Kilmer.
So who's going to have?
I can't Top Gun.
Maverick will ruin it for me,no, maverick Iceman fight will
ruin it for me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
No, it's great there's a little meta-ness to it
, but at this point you'vealready substantially put them
into the roles.
It's the slow build to thisfight at the end of the movie.
This is Hector, this isAchilles.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
I'm going to say something In Breakdown which I'm
not pro-killing, but he wears avery loose shirt throughout the
whole movie and I think that'sbecause in breakdown he is
extremely huge.
Because this breakdown happensright between escape from LA and
soldier, which is you're atpeak, massive Kurt Russell like

(01:54:41):
probably doing roids at the time, Like he's huge in soldier and
he had really good arms inescape from la, like he went
sleeveless in escape from la sohe's in shape.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
He's in shape in 97.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yeah, it's not like he's not like you're gonna get
like somebody goes uh, this man,yeah, no, he is big yeah, I
think the body's fine, likeagain, we don't need to be like
the rock or anything, but heneeds to be quick as well.
Like you need to see, like the,you know, when he's storming
the beach and achilles takesthat entire front.
I think you need to see thatagileness with the character.
Kurt russell can do that andI've definitely and this is the
thing tom cruise can do that,but he's just.
I just don't see him asachilles.

(01:55:15):
You know what?
Yo, I've made my decision.
I'm gonna use my override.
I'm gonna put kurt russell inhere.
I'm sorry, guys, I need thename, I need the name.
I need the name I gave you thename.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
I gave you that name no, no, tom cruise is.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
No, I can't do something.
I just don't see him on a horse, I just don't see that.
One scene will ruin the moviefor me, honestly that's the only
horse.
It's not even the big horse inthe movie there's the chariot
and then dragging his body away,where you're meant to be
mourning.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I'm gonna be like he's not on the horse.
Those are long shots.
We can get a double.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Yeah, I'm having Kurt Russell.
So sorry, lads, I'm going tooverride those decisions and I'm
going to put Kurt Russell inthere and take him out and break
down Crushed.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
I'm devastated.
But you do get a white-up DocHolliday sort of fight.
That's true.
It's a reunion, just not theone I was hoping for, you guys
made me not work in themidsection.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
You made me work really hard for the last two.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
We did, we did make you out, even out.
Well, corey, do we want to dothe breakdown of this full list
here?

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Yeah, you want to run it down for everybody.
Please run this movie down,okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
So, from the bottom to the top, here is the final
cast for Troy 1997.
Uranus will be played by TomSizemore, andromaca will be
played by Elizabeth Perkins,menelaus will be now played by
Liam Neeson.
Patroclus is going to be playedby a young Paul Walker.
King Priam is a ChristopherPlummer classic actor Odysseus
in a switch.
We Plummer classic actor,odysseus in a switch.

(01:56:46):
We now have Billy Zane playinghim, being the crafty man that
he is.
Perseus will be played byRachel Weiss.
Paris will be seen by D3,mighty Duck fame Joshua Jackson.
Helen of Troy, or sorry,agamemnon, will be played by
Gene Hackman.
Me and Corey both picked thesame on that one, and the next
one, which is Helen of Troy,will be played by val kilmer and

(01:57:10):
achilles played by kurt russellthat's a very attractive list.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
It's a very attractive list.
Like everyone is just pete goodlooking.
I like billy zane as a vicious.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
I'm liking that you know, as weirdly, once we read
it all, I don't it.
I thought this was going to befar more of a train wreck.
Honestly, I will just tell theaudience right now this was the
worst time I've ever had castinga movie.
I think I'm going to ban Swordand Sandals movies from this
podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
We're done, we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
It's not this era.
Corey 97 was such a weird place.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
It's a hard era.
Don't blame the era Everyonefelt too old or too young, don't
?

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
blame the genre, Corey.
I just don't.
I don't know.
There's plenty more fun to behad in the genre.
I don't know that we Honestly.
The only thing I really think Ihate is Tom Sizemore.
Thanks a lot, Nick, it's fun.
But it's fine.
One character that's an allweird Greek.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Reagan really got to run.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
There is like the Greek backup guy yeah, yeah so
yeah, you're the real dudesomething in your eyes.
You're real loyal to your guy,so but okay, cool, cool yeah.
So yeah, the 300.
We're never doing that.
Maybe I'm done with thesemovies, I hate it, I'll talk,
I'll talk with him.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
I'll talk with him, I'll talk right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Well, that was Troy, as done in 1997.
I think we did as best as wecould possibly do.
It was.
It was this wild, some real hottakes, some weird choices, and
we've used all the power we did.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
That doesn't happen often, not often.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
I've never used the override before, just saying
that is impressive that's howdisappointed I pretty much
always come in cocked and loadedto use it, and I know where I'm
going to use it.
So, um, as you're a better manthan me.
But again, we're quantum react,quantum recast on all social
media.
Go, follow us, engage with us,tell us how we did, what you
loved, what you hated, what youwould have done differently.

(01:59:01):
Probably just take it acompletely different year than
1997.
That's fine, that's fair, buthope you enjoy listening.
We'll see you next time.
We're still figuring out thatmovie.
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
We're still debating it.
We're behind the scenes today.
We might break up, who knows,oh whoa, but hopefully we'll be
back with another episode.
Tune in, say goodnight Nick,goodnight Nick.

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