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Amy Jones Kane WON at life…She has the dreamiest LESBIAN LOVE and career!
From sports reporting to political wins to building businesses to luxury power suits, Amy Jones Kane knows what it takes to win. But when it comes to lesbian love, what’s been her biggest game-changing move?
…and how did she KNOW in her bones Kelly was THE ONE?
Their love story is beautiful!
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Hey lesbians, what's the secret to winning at life?
For me, it's a it's the whole enchilada.
I ain't even going to lie. I want to have it all with
somebody. I want to have the perfect
little life, peaceful love. As a businesswoman, I want to
see that success. I want to see my partner
thriving as well. Doing what we love, being
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passionate, not only in our lovelife, but in our careers.
Today we're talking business andwe're talking love.
I have a guest that is going to give us all the answers and I
say that with confidence. All the answers, everything that
we could ever wonder about what it's like when you meet the love
of your life and how to make huge moves.
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We're going to hear it all. Welcome back to queer women
Rising where iPhone lesbian friends and talk about queer
love, how to dodge the dating drama and embracing the peaceful
connections that we all deserve.I'm Sophia Splino, you're a
lesbian host. I'm so glad that you're joining
me today. If you're not watching this on
YouTube or Spotify, you are listening to the podcast the
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wrong way. Especially today because I'm a
very, very special guest that will be here in person.
That's right, actually in my house in the studio.
Life update, life update real quick.
This is day 26th of my breakup and I say I'm feeling pretty
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good today. I'm feeling pretty good.
Yesterday I felt like a troll that like should have never come
out from under the bridge. Today we made it out from under
the bridge and we're feeling really good.
I want you to know if you're going through a breakup, that
breakups and healing are not linear.
You could be very confident in your breakup and in the decision
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you made, but also feel like shit.
And if that's you know you're not alone.
My DMS are open and if you watchmy content you'll see it's a
safe space to share, to have theups and downs, and to heal.
What is most healing for me though is hearing evidence.
There are people in this world that like get jealous of what
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other people have. If that's you, this episode is
not for you. If you want to look at someone's
life and go holy for juicy balls, that for juicy boobies
and that is what is possible. Then you will.
Love this episode today because we're talking to someone who has
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truly an extraordinary life. And Speaking of extraordinary,
we've just sold out our very first and possibly only, I don't
know, I have to. I'm going to be honest with you
guys, I'm not an in person big party kind of girl.
So we just sold out our very first in person retreat.
Hanging out with me and five to seven other extraordinary
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lesbians at Canyon Ranch. It is going to be a luxurious
experience. I don't do cheap ass things.
If you hang out with me, we're not doing cheap ass things.
We're only doing extraordinary. We're hanging out with the most
cool lesbians in the world and we're going to be being Hanford
because I don't know about you, but I don't think there's
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anything sexier than a relaxed lesbian, OK?
We're going to be up in the sauna.
We're going to be having the most extraordinary food, gourmet
food. We're going to be chilling, like
just tapped out for a few days together.
And it's going to be an incredible spiritually
transformative mind, body, spirit, even your skin
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experience. We're totally getting facials
and massages and we're going big.
OK, So if for some reason you missed out on this retreat and
you're a bougie girly, you enjoythe finer things in life, and
you are a single lesbian, you may want to join us on the next
one if we do it. Let me be fully transparent.
It is January 31st. Ask me after the retreat if I'm
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going to host another one, Not because I don't think I'll have
a blast, but I don't know if I have enough energy for that.
I'm I'm a baby grandma, OK? If I have enough energy after
this retreat, because I'm leading it, everyone there,
they're going to be all relaxed.But I got to make sure that I
can energetically hold a retreat.
I'm just going to be real with you.
And so if I find this is something that I enjoy, that I
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like to do, I might host anotherone.
If that's the case, you will want to DM me.
Retreat now so you can be on thewait list again.
My retreats are very small, veryexclusive, very luxurious.
I don't think I'll ever be that girly that has hundreds of women
come into some cheap retreat or a cruise or anything like that.
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I just, I don't see it happening.
I wouldn't want to take you on an experience that I wouldn't
want to go on with a partner. I want this to be luxurious and
just tantalizing for the census.So if this is something you're
interested in, DM me. Retreat so you can be on the
insider list for the next 1. And I think that's it.
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That's all I really want to share about the updates because
nothing about hearing me just doing facials and working from
my bed and feeling like sad about a breakup but also knowing
simultaneously I have access to a Rolodex of the hottest
lesbians in the world because I literally have the ultimate
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lesbian dating platform. It's like I know it, but I got
to wait till I'm healed. It's January 31st.
I ain't healed enough yet to be matched in my own platform.
When I'm ready, I'll let you allknow.
And when I'm ready, I'll be dating in my own platform.
With that being said, let's talkabout today's guest, Amy Jones
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Kane. OK, so this is a powerhouse
woman. She lives in my neighborhood and
we are newly bestie lesbian friends about oh gosh, it's been
less than a year but almost a year actually that we've been
friends. And we do these little like
routine coffee updates and she is one of the most inspiring
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people yet humble people I've ever met.
She's been a light for me in thedark.
She always has the right thing to say whether it's about
business or relationship. She's just that big sister
lesbian energy. And also, as she calls it BDE,
she does have that big Dick energy and I love it.
I think we met in like Instagramcomments one day and realized we
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were both Louisiana lesbians andthen now we live in the same
hood and it's awesome. Like it's so cool.
Her wife is gorgeous. Freaking gorgeous.
I may be biased because I love me a redhead, but her wife is
beautiful and I'm going to be throwing up a picture of them at
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some point. Editor listening to this.
Throw up a picture of Amy and her wife.
They're precious. This show, as you guys know, is
about lesbians who do extraordinary things and have
extraordinary little lives like you.
Your life doesn't have to be fancy to be on Queer Women
Rising. I want to give women evidence of
what's possible. And in this case, I'm truly
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giving you evidence of what's possible, not only in love, but
in a life that is so big, so big.
Amy. Amy Jones, Kane has done so
much. She went from being one of the
few female sports anchors in thecountry.
I'm talking about going from ourlittle towns, KATC 3 to ESPN and
Fox. She left The Newsroom to lead
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the communication strategies behind major political wins.
She's built and sold businesses,she's helped shape NIL sports
collectives and now she's bringing high end fashion to
business women with her latest venture buying into Bespoke
Batiste, a custom fashion brand with high end suit options to
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offer women caught in the often boring world of off the rack
business world. And if you're listening to this,
we know, we know. We love a lesbian and a power
suit. We love a good tailored suit.
OK us gay bosses love to dress crisp, polished and that is what
this brand is. And also extremely colorful and
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personal. Y'all have to go and look at the
show notes. I'm just so proud of her and all
that she is, all that she gets behind.
Beyond the career wins, there's a love story.
That's what most of the show is about.
How did she really know that herpartner was the one And man,
it's a good story. And what keeps them strong in a
world where success could sometimes get in the way of
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love? Welcome to the show, Amy Jones
Cade. Hello, Amy.
How are you I'm. Well, I'm surviving.
It's a breakup season. I know, I know.
We we had a good lunch and talked a lot of that's what we
do. Yes, talked a lot about what
were the details of what happened.
And so, so heartbreaking and sorry for you.
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And yet at the same time, as I told you at 32, you have so many
more miles on that journey coming for you and your person's
coming. They just, they haven't gotten
here yet. I believe it.
I receive it. Yeah.
And all you have learned throughthese last few years, as
difficult as they may have been,is what you don't want.
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Yes. And who is going to be that
person that you'll be with the rest of your life?
And that's not a bad thing to. Know it's not thank you for
being like the cool big sister anytime I need you're right down
the road. We're literally neighbors and I
can be like Amy help. Yes, absolutely.
I, I told you, you know, for me,I, I met my person when I was
39. I know we're going to talk about
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I've. So excited.
Thank you for. Doing this with.
Me. I know.
And I asked, can I talk about it?
Do you, are you OK with me telling the story?
And she's like, tell the story. OK, OK, got it.
We got YC approval. Yes.
I love it. OK so I always start with what
letter of the alphabet soup do you identify with and why?
As in, like the LGBTQI? Mean always the L, OK?
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Always. It's always been the L word,
right? So like since you were little?
You know, I came out when I was in what, early 20s, I think I
was maybe 23 or so. So, you know, it always has been
for me. I, I mean, I always knew it, but
when I immediately started saying it, well, I was one of
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those ones too, that, you know, I would say, well, I'm, I'm gay.
I still do, really more so than than anything.
But yes, always, always the ill.Have you ever had gay guys come
up to you and say that they don't like you using the G?
No. I've had that.
No, I mean, most of my really close best friends are all gay
guys. Yeah, I have tons, tons of gay
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male friends and absolutely not,you know, they I really, you've
had that. Yeah.
But I mean, I also talk about this online a lot, OK?
Well, no, has never happened to me.
OK, I'm so glad. Yes, now that we have wifey
permission. Yes, how?
When you're married to an Irish redhead.
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Oh, she's a Irish. Oh yes, Irish redhead you so
it's. Real red hair.
That is real red hair. We're going to show a picture of
her. She's gorgeous.
She has the prettiest eyes in the whole world, just brightest
smile. How old were y'all when you met?
I was 16 and she was 13, so we met.
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She was actually my sister's friend in high school, and she
was always my little sister's friend, right?
And it wasn't until we reconnected when I was 39 years
old that things took a whole different slant.
OK, how did that happen? And was she like the annoying
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little sister or no? No, no, no, no, no, no.
It, it was always, they were fun, You know, my, my younger
sister just had this really fun group of friends.
You know, I always said they were just, they were so goofy,
but funny and, and just did fun things and I never looked at me
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and went, Oh, they're annoying. No, I, I never, I mean, there
were a couple of them in that group that certainly were, but
Kelly absolutely was not. But it was, I was 39, and we ran
into each other at a local restaurant and I saw her.
Her back was to me. And I had broken up with
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somebody earlier that summer andI basically was about to go on
single girl spree, right? Yeah, that was it.
I was like I, I. How long do you wait to go on
single girl spree? Like how many months before you
just go buck wild? You know, it had been a couple
of months since we had broken up.
And I was just like, OK, this isit.
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I don't want to be in a relationship.
And her back was to me across the lobby of this restaurant.
And all I saw was that red hair.And I knew who it was.
And she turned around and I, I was like, oh, wow.
Well, she comes over and I was already talking to a couple of
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other her friends and she comes over and she puts her arm around
me, hugs and hugs me and she's like well hey, how are you?
And for whatever reason, I, I just didn't let her go.
I just kind of just stood there holding on to her and.
She knows you're gay. She knows.
Absolutely, Absolutely. And she's not trying to pull
away. No, no.
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And she is not trying to pull away.
And from what I knew about her, she had been married, has two
beautiful young girls at this time, you know, and, and so I
just don't want to let her go. And I'm like, God, she's so
cute. And you know, so her friend that
we had a mutual friend was talking to me and knew I had
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gone through this, this breakup.And she goes, well, what, what's
the plan? What are you, What are you going
to do next? I said, Oh, I'm, I'm about to
kiss as many girls as I possiblycan.
And Kelly looks and looks at me and says, well, you could kiss
me. Oh my God.
And I look at her and I said, Oh, Kelly King, now you're
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you're not the type of girl I just kiss.
You're you're the kind of girl Iwould ask out on a date.
And she looks at me and says, well, are you going to ask me?
Oh my God. And me and my ultimate coolness
say I got to go and totally walkaway.
Completely froze right then and there.
Completely froze. Well, we go into the restaurant,
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we sit and I can see her across the restaurant.
Now she can't see me. And I'm trying to have a
conversation with the friends that I was having dinner with
last night. I could care less about what
they were saying. All I was, I just kept like
looking right. And so we were friends on
Facebook. I send a message to her
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messenger and I'm like, hey, I don't know if you were just
joking around, whatever, but if you were serious, I would love
to take you out. And and it's back when.
Oh my. Gosh.
So I'm like, OK, all right, all right.
So we make a plan that in a couple of days, you know, we're
going to go and have a drink. Real quick, that night you did
not kiss her. Absolutely not.
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I didn't talk to her again that.Night.
Oh my God. OK.
So I nothing happens that would and so we decide that was a
Friday night. So that's Sunday night.
We're going to go and have her drink.
OK, so I keep giving her like, OK, I'm going to give her the
out. I'm going to totally give her
the out. You know, she's not dated a
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woman before. She's going to, you know, she's
going to kind of go, Oh, no, no,no, freak out.
You're not going to be seen on adate in public.
That's a thing here in Lafayette, LA.
Absolutely right. And so I kind of just keep
waiting for her to to go. Oh, wait, what am I doing?
You know, and I get a call from her on that Sunday afternoon.
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She's like, look, I'm having a private problem with my
babysitter. I can't go out tonight.
I'm like, I get it. And look, I got to leave for New
York to go work with a client tomorrow.
It's no problem. And look, it was so good seeing
you and, you know, good luck. And hopefully we run into each
other and catch up at some point.
And she goes, well, I said, I can't go tonight.
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I can go this afternoon. And so I was like, oh, so we
did, we went and we sat and we, we visited and it was a
restaurant called Don's. All right, So we go, we sit and
we, we visit and kind of catch up of where life is taking you
and how do you get here? And you know, she's like, this
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is, this is crazy. Just this is absolutely crazy
that I'm sitting here and, you know, and I'm like, because I'm
never this bold and never, you know, I'm like, OK, well,
wonderful afternoon visiting. She's got to go because she's
got to get back to her kids. And I'm like, OK, And that was
it. Did not kiss then at all.
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Well, I leave to go to New York,but it's her birthday.
So I, you know, we've had a conversation.
You talked about you had the last few years.
She was, you know, going througha divorce and was about to be
finalized. And you know that it was just
hard because she'd stop dreamingand, and stop wanting for
things. And so I, I sent flowers and I
said, may this be the year for her birthday.
I said, may this be the year youstart dreaming again.
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It's all very simple. And I just get a text.
The plane's about to take off and I get a text and she's like,
well played, Amy, well played. I'm like, I I was just trying to
be sweet. Sweet girls do this, right?
Boys don't do this. They have to be reminded.
They have to be begged, right? This is what women do.
So the client I'm working with is at the US Open.
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So I get to New York and we're texting like get to the airport,
the plane lands. We just start just, you know,
that constant texting. And I'm like, God, these, these
are funny conversations we're having.
She makes me laugh and land in New York and then, like, the
texting is really, like, constantly now is what it's
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turning into. And staying with my best friend
who's living in New York at the time and we're doing things.
And yet I find I just keep looking at my phone.
I'm like, OK, I'm supposed to beon Single Girls Free.
All right. What's going on here?
Right? You've not kissed one girl at
this time. And I'm not and I'm only.
No, I had, but no, no, no. But you know, it was very
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interesting that I'm sitting here and very taken with.
Her. You can't get her out of your
head. Cannot.
And at night I'd be, you know, laying there to go to sleep and
we get on the phone and start talking till like 3:00 in the
morning. You know that time, right?
You fall. You fall asleep on the phone.
Kind of thing. Talking stage, yeah.
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Right. Well, the morning I'm supposed
to get up and start work with the client and I, I do that and
I'm at the US Open and I go out in the center court and it's
empty at the time. At this point in your career,
what are you doing with this client?
Consulting, doing some consulting work with somebody
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that is working for the Tennis Channel.
And so I take a picture on Center Court and send it to her.
And so that kind of. Prompts a whole new
conversation. Well the next day comes and I'm
like, what are you doing today? And she's like, you know, not a
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whole lot today. And I said keep your phone by
you. She says why?
I said come see New York with me.
Well, instead of doing what I'm supposed to do, I spend the day
going to things and taking pictures and showing her what
I'm seeing. And in that is I'm sitting in
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Central Park. And sometimes I just love to go
sit in Central Park and just sitand watch and I'm going, why is
it I really wish she was here with me.
Very, very strange. But in this all comes full
circle. So remember the park.
So this goes on the whole week that I'm there and I'm there
having to work for the week and we get to the weekend and it's
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Saturday. I'm like, why am I sitting in
New York City when the girl I want to be with is back in
Louisiana? And actually at this point she's
at her parents beach house aboutan hour outside of New Orleans
in a little town called Bay Saint Louis.
So I just take off for the airport and I get to the airport
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and I go to check in my luggage.It's an hour before the flight
leaves. Move the flight and they're
like, oh, well, you can't check your baggage.
I said here it's an hour before the flight.
Like, oh, in New York, you have to be here an hour and a half if
you're going to check baggage. And I'm like, I got to get on
that plane. This is the last plane going
back to the South. You got to let me on that plane.
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And he was like, I can't do anything about it.
We closed it. That and your bag is really
clearly too big to be able to carry on.
He goes, I'm sorry, I'm just going to have to catch another
flight tomorrow. So I kind of stood by there, you
know, And so now I'm watching. Look at them all watch. 45
minutes to go until this plane takes Oh my God hell am I going.
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To. Damn right.
I'm like, I got to get on this plane.
And so finally I look at him andI'm like, look, I don't know if
you believe in love, I said. But there's a girl on the other
side of this and I'm going to lose her before I have a chance
to win her. If you don't let me get on that
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plane with a guy stops and he looks at me, I'm telling you, I
told you this is like a movie. Right.
I hope he's not homophobic. Absolutely not.
He stops what he's doing and he looks at his colleague and he
says take over my space and I'm like, my weed is about to kick
me out of the airport or he's going to do something really
cool. So he comes around and he grabs
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my suitcase and he's like, follow me.
And suddenly here we are in JFK,walking through the airport.
He bypasses now, you know the lines in New York airports,
right? Bypasses everybody.
We go to the magnetometer, get to security.
He goes right past it, takes it through, puts this big suitcase
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on the thing. He says this is going to be our
one sticking point. Let's see it like, like with
nothing to spare, gets through, gets through on the same.
We get to the gate. He walks me past all the people
in the line at the gate. OK.
We go all the way down to the plane.
He stops as we get to the door, looks at the flight attendant at
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the door and says check this, it's a direct flight to New
Orleans. He says check this bag.
And he looks at me and he says, honey, I hope she's worth it.
Go get your girl. I literally, I had some cash in
my pocket. I probably handed him like $500.
You know, I gave him everything I had, right?
I was like, I, I don't even knowwhat to say to you.
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Thank you so much. I get there.
It's like 11:00 at night. It's about an hour away from the
New Orleans airport where she's at.
So she's expecting you? She knows I'm coming.
OK, but remember we still have akiss at this point.
Oh my God. I'm doing all of this for
somebody that I I just had theseamazing conversations with at
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OK, back to the show. And their house is this
beautiful old southern house on the beach with this gorgeous,
you know, staircase coming down the front.
And I pull up and she comes walking down the staircase.
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And I mean like her parents. Know.
No, at this point she's she's there with a friend for the
weekend hanging out. That's why she was there.
And she comes down and I'm standing at the bottom of the
stairs and I'm telling you with like 4 stairs left to go, she's
like basically just jumps and westart kissing and that was our
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first kiss. And I like to say we started
guessing and we haven't stopped to this day.
It's so cute. How many years ago?
That was coming up. It'll be a it'll be 11 years
that happened at the end of August and we will have been
well, Fast forward, I mean, and that was it.
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Like I knew from that second that was it.
I was going to marry this for. Me.
How do you know I knew? I knew it was in my soul that
this was it. That like this was I'm like, I
am 1000% in like I never hesitated.
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I never questioned it. And when I sent the flowers to
her, her parents were like, wellthese are beautiful, Who are
these from? And she tells.
Them and they're like conservative old people.
From the South. I mean, they're from the South,
but I mean, you know, to the point that they were like, OK,
OK, all right. So, you know, all this is like
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lining up and, you know, but herparents know who I am and and,
you know, my mom, they she knowswho Kelly is everybody.
And so all of this is like happening and I'm telling you, I
knew, I knew that yes, it was, Iwas, I was marrying her.
I was going to marry those girls.
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I was like, I don't even know your kids yet.
And I'm, I'm telling you, I'm going to love them.
I'm going to love these girls. And it, it never, I never
wavered about it, never, never second guessed it.
And December. So I turned 40 that December.
Now it's August. We get together end of August
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and it is December 7th, my 40th birthday.
We're in New York for my 40th birthday.
And she said what do you want todo for your birthday?
And I said I want to go walk in Central Park in the morning.
I said it's so cold. I'm like it's crisp, it's cold,
let's go walk in the park. And we walked to that bench and
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I said, this was the bench I sent you the picture from.
And she was like, really? I was like, yeah, let's just
let's, let's sit. So we sit and we're talking.
And I turned and I got on one knee on that bench.
Oh, I asked her to marry me. Within a few months.
Within a few months. That's so beautiful.
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So you say that it's just a feeling you have.
It, it's 100% this, my life willnot be complete if I'm not with
you. And I, it, I knew it, I never
felt like that. It was.
And the more I would talk to her, the more I was like, this
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is what it's supposed to be like.
And you know, it was always like, people are like, well, how
did you know? How did you know?
You know, and we've been married10 years, right?
And how did I know? I knew that it wasn't just a
idea with her. It was it was an action It
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literally it it defined what it was supposed to be like and I
think this was the biggest thingfor me.
I am a dreamer. I mean, you know my business
story, right? Yes, which?
We'll get into, right? But I'm, I'm a dreamer and I had
really never been in a place with somebody that those big
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dreams were like, OK, go for it,you know?
And that's what I found with her.
But what it was is it wasn't herjust saying go for it.
It was her saying go for it. And then when something would
happen that would be frustratingabout it, that it would be OK,
well, how are you going to fix it to keep going?
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And there was never that hesitation of, OK, we'll come
back to reality. Yeah.
You know. And so all of a sudden, big
things. Just happened started to happen
yes, because like in the right vibration someone's totally
supporting you it it. Absolutely, absolutely was and
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you know it, it's so fascinatingand interesting to me that when
I saw her that yeah, there are people that you look at and
you're like, oh, what a what a beautiful woman.
But I'm hand on the Bible that in 10 years, it is never been
one of those things that I've looked at somebody and go, oh.
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Yeah, I know 'cause you have it all like you.
Like my I see her. Every time I go on a little
coffee date, you're like always just like my wife is so hot,
like every, every time, so cute,like you're always talking about
her. I I just love that woman.
I just love her, you know, and, and people like to talk about
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that, you know, how do you guys do it?
Hey, look, it's it's not all great.
Yeah, it's what I want to know like what are non negotiables in
your relationship to keep it allgreat.
What are the the boundaries thatyou guys have?
What are just some common things?
Like maybe you don't even have to talk about it anymore with
each other because you just haveto?
Know that it's better to go through the hard parts together
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than to be going through something good by yourself.
Oh, that's so good. That's so good.
And that's. That's really what it is, is
that, you know, we've had to do a lot of hard things and yet we
do it together. And I think the other thing is
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it's a lot of talking It, it's a, it's a lot of talking and
working on yourself as an individual that then tries to
make you a better partner. And I mean, look, work on it
every day. I am a fixer by by nature.
And to understand that, you know, she's not always asking me
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to fix whatever issues she's going through.
Sometimes it's just I want to tell you what's going on or this
is what I am going to have to deal with.
Yeah. And then just be that support
of, OK, I'm here, you know, and those are those are hard, hard
lessons that you have to learn. And then on top of it, you know,
I adopted the girls couple of years after we got married, I
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was able to adopt my daughters. And you know, you've got two,
I've got 2 and Thunder and Lightning, as I like to call it.
And it's definitely without a doubt, the hard part of
parenting together is also, you know, just another level of
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things. And I'm so funny because she
told me this very early because,you know, our biggest fights are
going to be about the kids. And I'm like, no, no.
Yes, parenting is hard. It is hard.
I can't imagine running a business and having children and
making time for your wife you'rereally doing it on.
You're not running a business, you're running like an empire,
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multiple businesses. Yeah, life has been very kind to
me from that perspective. Okay, so I love having women on
the show to not only talk about love and how to build a healthy
relationships, but I didn't really get to see queer women
doing all the things, having it all growing up.
Or if I did see it, I was kind of shielded from it in the
South, like, oh, there's Ellen and that's it, you know, that's
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it. Never got to solve them.
See feminine women do it. Never got to see women who look
like Kelly be these feminine women in beautiful, healthy
relationships and have a partnership and be in business
together. So I want to know about the
career side because just as muchas the love is beautiful, it's
like you built this huge life and women disproportionately
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make less than men, but queer women are even more
marginalized, and we cannot create what we don't see.
So I would love for you to shareall of your success so not only
we can celebrate it, but see what's possible for us.
So can you tell us, even from before you met Kelly, how you
started your journey and your career and then how it blossomed
when you came together? Well, you know, for me, I
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started my career. I was a television sports anchor
for many years and was out in California and got to do some
work for ESPN, got to do some work with Fox, got to do, you
know, was, was covering all of the professional leagues.
And you know, was at the time atthe apex.
It's when Shaq was still playingand Kobe Bryant and Steve Young
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and Jerry Rice and all of these huge names, you know, and, and
I'm covering Super Bowls and AllStar games and, and all of this.
I was sports lesbians listening.You're like what?
Yeah yeah, shout out to my sports ball girls.
So right, so and and I still am.I'm still a sports fanatic.
Oh absolutely. But it's fun to, to be able to
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just enjoy it now because it like anything else, it just
became a job, you know. But after I decided very, very
early on in my career, I had done that for several years, but
then decided, you know, I don't know if this is it for me.
I just don't know if this is what I want to do the rest of my
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life. You know, every weekend you
don't have weekends, you're in sports stadiums and, you know,
while the rest of the world is off, you're working, you know,
and that's the life of being in sports.
And, and, and I was like, I, I just don't know if this is
forever for me. And also at the time, I mean, I
was based in California and I was like, I, I, I'm away from my
entire family, you know, and I, I, this is really hard.
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And when I missed my sister's wedding because I was covering
the Olympic trials, I was like, that's, maybe this just isn't
what I'm, I'm willing to give up.
And I, I always say it was the best decision I ever made.
People are like, you were so good.
Don't you miss it? And I'm like, I never, I, when I
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walked away from that, I just never looked back.
And it started, I went to the other side of the microphone,
used what I had learned there and really started life, NPR and
political consulting and doing things that.
But it was always working for somebody else, right?
Always beholden to somebody else.
And for me, it really came down to in 2009, I was working on
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Capitol Hill and I decided, thisis it.
I'm done working for somebody else.
I'm going to be my own boss. And I can remember I walked out
Capitol Hill for the last time as an employee and it was 2009.
And you know, there's that meme fire starter that you have Drew
Barrymore and then the the skiesall on a flame.
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That's how I kind of felt walking out of that building.
But it was time to take a chanceon me.
Which is so scary. It's the.
Scariest thing anybody can ever do because there is no safety.
Net. Oh, I know the feeling.
Absolutely. There's no, there's no safety
net. And that's what I did that
walked out and walked out and decided that that was it.
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I was literally going to work for myself and I was never, I
didn't care how hard it was going to be that I needed to
always remember that feeling of literally working in a closet,
you know, with no windows, because that's what I had to do
for a paycheck that basically glorified somebody else.
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And I was like, I'm, I'm done. And so that was I, I was like,
I'm going to pick and choose what I want to do.
I love it and I think someone out there listening is feeling
these feelings and just know I made it.
I'm not where she's at yet. I will be.
But I made it. I survived and made the decision
and she did. And she's got a lot to show for
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it. And if you're feeling that, take
the leap and actually believe inyourself.
God gives us all desires that are so beautiful and will change
the world. And you got to take the leap.
And it's uncomfortable and it feels like the wrong decision a
lot of times. It does.
And I will tell you there is a lot of times where I have had no
other choice but literally to get down on my knees and say,
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you're driving the show. Come on, guys.
You, is this really what it it'ssupposed to feel like today?
You know, and there are days that scared to death, but you do
it anyway. And that's that's the biggest
thing is to push through the scary days.
And I think that's the that's where so many businesses are
lost. There is a graveyard of good
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business ideas of people that just couldn't push past the bad
days. And.
There are a lot of people in this world that are not meant to
do it. And, and it's OK if you're not,
Oh my God, like don't torture yourself.
I wouldn't warn you. It's torture.
Yeah. And and look, I thank God for it
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that there are people that want to work for other people.
I mean, I need those people in the companies that I own that
want to, you know. No, they have a.
Paycheck, yeah. And, and that is good work.
Yes. It is a very, very scary time,
you know, but I've never not been that one that looks at it
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and figures it out, you know, and that that and COVID while
everybody else was like, Oh my God, I looked at COVID as OK,
where are the opportunities? Because in every situation,
somebody somewhere is making money.
Yeah. What is it that people are
getting paid to do during this particular season?
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I'm so glad I gay girlie got themoney.
And that's you got to go that route.
Yes, you know, and that's, that's literally, you know,
that's, that's all the time, everything that you're looking
at, it's to look at it and go, OK, where is there an
opportunity? And you know, I have a fantastic
business partner that he and I are very solidly along the line
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of. Don't ever look at it.
Don't. Don't be greedy.
Yeah, don't be greedy. Find where your niche or your
piece is in a project, do what you need to on that project and
then move on to the next thing you know.
Don't allow yourself to to be somired down into, well, this is
that's the other thing. People don't know how to pivot
very well. You know, you have to, you got
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to be nimble, you have to be able to be agile, and you have
to know how and when to pivot and know that it's OK to be new
at doing something. 100%. But get good at it real.
Fast. Real fast.
Yeah, absolutely. Yes.
And you know, those are, it's no, it's no gigantic secret that
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I'm telling you. I think that that more or less
what I'm telling you is it's more about the determination
that has to exist. There is a mindset that has to
exist when you work for yourselfthat is way different than
anything else. Anything else?
Because no one's going to give. You the paycheck.
No. And and then even if you have a
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good paycheck this month, the next month you've got to go out
and get it again and. Then, and this is my other
biggest piece of advice, that when you do find success, you
got to find ways to give some ofthat money away to people that
need it, change people's lives or show up for them at a time
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where they need it in a way thatis not expected.
And, you know, I say this in a very humble place, that the most
humbling thing that we get to do, and I say get to do very
specifically and deliberately, is to help some families that
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lose a loved one bury those family members to give them a
dignified death. And I think sometimes that's the
greatest gift you can give somebody.
I really do That is, is this something that you just choose
to help people or is there an organization or is it just
personal? It's personal.
That's so sweet. It's personal and, you know, it
was the first time my business partner called and said so.
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And so his father's died and youknow, they, they don't have the
money to be able to bury him. And what do you think?
You want to go in half with me and, and let's, let's bury him.
I was like, absolutely. And that has turned into
something we've done several times.
And the feeling I, I, I can't tell you the feeling of knowing
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that you were giving somebody dignified death and allowing the
family to have closure. That's a gift.
That is. That is a real gift.
That's interesting. What?
I never suspected that was one of your passions like.
I didn't think it would be, but I'm going to tell you it's the
one thing I probably, I mean, I hate it for those families.
And yet at the same time, I lovethat I'm in the position to be
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able to help in those particularsituations.
That's beautiful. Yeah.
And then the other thing I wouldsuggest is that when you have
success in business, then find something that becomes
passionate for you because a lotof what you do business wise
that may make you successful is not necessarily something that
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you're passionate about. Yeah.
You know, I mean we've we've done a really great job of
building a very successful company in a sector that I can't
say that I'm necessarily passionate.
Yeah, I know. But so instead, what did I do?
Well, you know, I'm a Broadway junkie.
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Yes, let's hear about it. It's so good.
I love. Broadway Junkie that you know,
have a great the Broadway Besties podcast.
It's so good. Yeah, go follow us on Instagram
and download us wherever you getyour podcast.
It's funny. It's.
So funny and like, even if you don't know the shows very well,
because I'm not as Broadway bestie as you guys.
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Like I'm just dabbling in Broadway.
Like I listen to select episodesand then I'll find them the next
one playing. And I don't know anything about
that production, but I I enjoy the conversation.
Then I'm interested in it and then I want to go watch it.
And it's it's so good. You make it like friendly for
people who may not. That's the point, yes, like
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that's the point. For me in my life, I don't have
a ton of time to go see these shows right now.
Like I'm busting ass. This is my like grind season and
so I'm not getting to go see allthe shows that I want to go see.
And you make me feel like I'm there and that I got the
experience and I love that. Well, and I will say this too, I
hate that people say, oh, lesbians do not like Broadway.
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And I'm like. People say so.
Absolutely. They're like, oh, that, you
know, And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Oh, no. In Queer Country Club we talk
about Broadway. I love Broadway.
I I do like themed like I play lots of yeah.
Well, the one thing that we havefound through the podcast is you
know how many lesbian loving Broadway women there are in the
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closet. Exactly.
And I'm like, come on out, come on out.
Water's real warm over here. So yes, so have that.
And then the other thing that I did is that I invested in a
bespoke suit company. Yes.
And that that is, you know, I hate how boring I'm saying how
boring it seems in here in in jeans and, you know, black, but.
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Now you look fabulous. But normally if you see me,
like, dressed up, I promise you I will be the loudest one in the
room. I see.
But yeah. So it it is one of those things,
though, that I think that off the rack suits for women are
awful. Yes.
They're so terribly boring. Yeah, and it's not just the thin
lesbians that deserve the couture.
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Well, but here's The thing is I love that we dress every range
of human being. I have so many businessmen that
wear what we wear. I've got celebrities that we are
able to dress. You know, I've got every range.
And this is really what I'm hoping more as we move into 25
and 26, is that we start dressing more women that
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understand the power that comes in wearing clothing that is cut
for you and the fabrics and the textures that make you feel
comfortable. Because, you know, look, I'm
almost 6 feet tall. I know I can wear clothes.
You're tall, you can wear clothes.
There's so many people that settle for clothes that don't
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fit them well. Because you don't get a tailor.
Exactly and they don't tailor itright so, but if you start.
Wearing it. Just go buy something cheap only
to go tailor. Exactly.
And I'm like, wear something that you love that is custom
made for you. And I'm, I'm telling you, I.
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Pay for it to be done right. Yes, and look, and I know you
are trying to make magic happen with couples all over the.
World. Oh no, we're not trying.
We're making. So my point is, is that I better
be dressing all of these people for your weddings.
Yes, queer Country Club guys, ifyou haven't joined, it's lesbian
dating, but only for you monogamous lesbians.
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And if you haven't heard about it, I don't know how by now, but
I started the dating platform. I'd love to have you apply.
And we are only wanting women inside who are truly looking for
their life partner, who actuallywant a wife for life.
And when you get married, not only do I want an invitation to
the wedding, I want you wearing one of Amy's.
Yes, absolutely. So what's the name of the
company, Amy? It's, it's bespoke Batiste and
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Batiste is a very southern name.But my, my business partner, Oh
my God, he dresses in a way thatI sometimes and I'm not afraid
of color and faculty combinations.
Sometimes he'll put things together and I'm like, I would
never think to do that, but damn, you look good, right?
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So yes, bespoke Batiste BATISTE.OK, we're going to put in the
show notes. Yes, absolutely.
So can they order a custom suit and like send in measurements?
How does this? Work.
Yeah, we know. We have a whole process that
we're able to measure you anywhere that you are in the
world. And then go, go through, we'll
do Zoom calls to go through so we can send you fabric samples
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if you need. Do everything to make it exactly
what you want. Although I always tell people,
just trust me. Just trust me.
I haven't had anybody yet, but Ihave put it together.
That's like, oh, I, I, I didn't like that.
Yeah. No, it's, it's really some
fantastic things that we're ableto do and, and again goes into
my creativity and and the the passion that I have for it.
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I love doing it. I love it.
And you said at 39 is when you met Kelly, Yes.
At what age did you feel like shit?
I have it all like I've got the the kids, they love me like
we're we've got this family and now we've got the business is
thriving. At what age did you feel like
secure? You know, I think I always will
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be grateful at every moment for what we have now, you know, and
I would say that as things wouldhappen, I kept saying, oh, well,
now we have it all and then something else really good would
happen and be like, oh, now we really have it all.
And you know, so, you know, but if I have to go back to it, it's
not the material things that do that.
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I would say it's the day I married her.
It really that catalyst for me was a springboard to to so much,
you know, I, I just love that woman.
Yeah. I tell you about my favorite
thing. I tell him my baby.
You just rock my chain, you know?
And then she just does. It's so funny you say that every
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time at least once we hang out and so like I don't know why but
it makes me blush every time. I don't know if it's like the
chain like I. And you know where I got that
from? Sterling K Brown, when he won
his Emmy Award for playing the that the prosecutor in the OJ
Simpson miniseries with Cuba Gooding Junior got up and told
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his wife from the stage he's like, hey, baby, you just rock
my chain. And I'm like, that's how I feel
about her, you know? So I I just, that's where I got
it from. And and it is stuck with me for
all of these years. But that is my way of saying it,
that yeah, she she just, she does it for me.
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And how did she know? Did she ever tell you?
You know, I one you'd have to ask her to have.
You would really have to ask her, but she's.
Not girly to come on the podcast.
Absolutely not. Absolutely not opposite attract
like that one. Absolutely not.
She no for as as as big a personality as I am, she's
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equally a personality. But she is just fine.
I mean, her her job, she's a a commercial makeup artist.
I mean, so she is truly a behindthe scenes person.
That's that's what she does, youknow?
And she she's like, I told her, I said, hey, I'm going to go do
this podcast with Sophia. And I was like, do you want to
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come by? And she's like, yeah.
And then I told her that. And she's like, I'll just watch
it. I'll just watch it.
So, you know, for her, it reallywas probably about two weeks
into she and I dating, we had hung out one night and I had
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left and I sent her a text afterand and said, you know, I just
really love hanging out with you.
And, and the message I got back from her, she's like, I'm all
in, you know, and and that's really where for her where it,
it started. But, you know, I think that for
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both of us, we just knew. I mean, there was something, I'm
telling you that first moment when it, it, there was never any
wavering for right there ever. Like there, there has never been
the conversation of the oh, you know, well, maybe I'm not right?
No. Do you think that not wavering
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is a is a huge sign? Because I always said if you
make up break up or if you got to go date other people after
you already met this person, it's probably just not it.
And then I waver because I'm like, oh, I have like this one
friend or this friend and I'm like, maybe like there could be
something like, do you think that's a thing where you you
can't have like for it to be your person?
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You just know. I totally believe in that
somebody's person maybe somebodythat is their friend.
OK, I totally believe so you think love can grow.
Oh, IA 1000% do OK. I I think that it, it's when
they're whatever stage it is in the relationship that when two
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people realize it doesn't work if it's not you.
And that's really what it is, isthat it's not going to work for
me if it's not you. Interesting because that is a
huge differentiating point in every relationship.
Where I go this isn't going to work and I would be better if I
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left and that is situation. There is not been one day where
I say that. Well, I don't see that, but I
would think but. I'm telling you, I'd like
there's never been that moment where I think, oh, I'd be better
if I wasn't with you like it. It's it's a devastating thought
to think about not being with her.
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And, and that is, and I mean, that's not to say that we don't
both want, oh, I, I need alone time or I need to.
I mean, she's a big recharger, you know?
Oh yeah. She's, she needs her quiet.
And it's, it's really funny because my oldest is the same
way. You put her around a lot of
people for. And then she's like, I need, I
need my time. I do too.
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Yeah. And that's, and that's OK.
And, you know, really for me, it's, it's along the lines of I
get it. You need to if you need that
time by yourself, you know. Take it.
How long did it take you to learn that it wasn't personal?
It took a minute. It took a minute because the
immediate thing is, Oh, you don't want to be with me.
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It's like, no, it's you know that when I realized that
sometimes if she wants to go and, you know, listen to a
podcast on the back patio and it's like, don't follow me and
keep the dogs inside too. It's not me.
It's not, you know, it's I just need, I need this, I need this
hour or I need to. So, you know, I've really, I'll
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go take a bath or I'll go do something.
But to completely let her have that time.
And I, I, I've never take offense to somebody saying I
need a little bit, yeah, I need a minute.
I think in the beginning in eachrelationship, or maybe I don't
know if you can relate before you understood it didn't have to
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do with you. At least for me, I've been
cheating on a lot in relationships so when someone
wants to be alone my head goes to the worst spot.
Absolutely. I didn't I.
And look, I did in the beginningtoo, Kelly would tell me.
Stop that. Yeah.
I am not a cheater and I'm not going to cheat on you and I
don't want anybody else. I just need an hour not to talk
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to anybody. And you're included in that
anybody. That's so good.
And and I'm like, oh, OK, so yeah, it, it definitely took a
while, you know, and and I was like, Oh my God, this is it.
She, she knows she's over it. And finally was like, get over
yourself. Yeah, I know that that's been
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something for me, but I I'm trying to recognize it.
And even in the last relationship where it didn't
work out, it wasn't because of that.
Except the end of the day, she wanted to be around me just as
much as I wanted to be with her.But I could notice that, oh, I
need recharge. Oh, I need to shut the door and
just work alone. Those sort of moments would come
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in and so I'm like, OK, when it's the right person, am I
going to be like, oh, I actuallydon't need a recharge, I want to
be around them all the time. Or will my recharge still stay?
You're always going to need how you are is how you should stay.
Yeah. You know, I mean, there is no,
there's no reason to change that.
That's your fundamental makeup. If you're one of those people
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that needs that, great, you know, and I think it's to find
that person that is OK letting you, you know, go plug in and
and recharge yourself. Amy, imagine running a lesbian
dating platform and your partnerknowing you have a digital
rolodex of the hottest, most extraordinary lesbians in the
world. Which I do not would never do
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anything to make my partner feeluncomfortable, but it's happened
in the past and it's been an issue.
So I'm hoping that next girl that comes into my life can
accept this is my career. Have you ever had because you've
been in entertainment just issues and relationships.
Like, I know you said you'd missyour sister's wedding, but
there's things that come up thatare just like.
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Yeah, I mean, there, there were certainly, you know, the years
of and I've always had things that are just very public
facing, you know, in terms of ofwhat I I have done.
But, you know, I just I don't find that with Kelly.
But at the same time, I don't think I've ever done anything
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with her that would make her ever question, you know, I mean,
I make it a point that she knowsI don't ever want anything other
than her. I don't need anything other than
her, you know, And I think that to your point about what you do.
I think that your person is going to be somebody that is
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confident enough in themselves and in your relationship that
it's like, hey, babe, go be the lesbian tender.
You know, whatever it is, go, gobe that big.
Go make a company that big and, and get that valuation on that
company and, and do what you want to do with it.
And if you're not that person, then I mean, you know, I tell
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you this is a, a friend. You don't want to be with them.
No, no, no. I'm tired enough, OK?
And, and, and honestly, I mean when it's the right person for
you, the Rolodex of all of theseextraordinary women exactly are
great. Let me find you your person.
Let me tell you, once they've been in the platform, once we've
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had conversations, unless I'm doing a live call while I was in
partnership, I never went through my own platform.
I have a team that helps me withthat.
And I recently started looking inside and I'm like, hey,
where's my future wife? Like I'm ready.
But I never once, ever once would do that.
And it's just, that's something that was, I just, I never want
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to have that feeling again of being like, oh, I need to like
reassure over and over and over and over.
But I also really love words of affirmation.
I do love word. I love to give it.
There is a difference between words of affirmation and words
of desperation. Yes, like words doesn't let me
like no, like no, I did not meetsomeone tonight on my coaching
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goal. Thank you.
That that's that's silliness. And that is, you know, there
also has to be enough trust in you that that boundary is set to
where they're never going to cross it.
You know, I mean, I think that one thing is is very certain
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about Kelly and I that I don't think there's anybody that
thinks that they can no penetrate that.
Exactly. Because you're not like you put
up energetic, like I'm so in love with my wife.
Yeah. Like that that that is.
And honestly, if someone has, ifsomeone would try across that
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boundary, to me, that tells me one, you're not a true person.
And you have now shown, not justme disrespect.
You've shown my spouse disrespect.
We don't need to be in each other.
'S lives. Yep 100% and I've always felt
that way and I think. I'm not giving her a reason not
to trust me. Yes, never.
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I I will stand by it when someone plants a seed of
insecurity in you and they do something that makes you feel
off solid ground in your relationship.
It could be subtle. It could be how they interact
with someone else, how they touch someone else, whatever it
is. But then it's hard because
certain people are like more Italian touchy, like, you know,
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but if you know your partner, I mean, they do something
intentionally to make you insecure or you see things that
are inappropriate. I there's no room for it.
There's no room for it. But if that never happens and
then you have the insecurities just because it's like, Oh my
God, it's like this tango. It's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous on both sides. It is, it is.
And again, I think that, and I can say this, you know, I mean,
I just turned 50 a couple of weeks ago.
And I think I can say that you, you really do have to be at a
point, especially if you want tobe married, that you have to
want that. You have to, and you have to
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protect it. You know, it's not enough just
to have a piece of paper that says I'm legally required to be
here. Yeah.
You have to want to protect whatthat relationship is and not
give one another reason to doubt.
What really sucks is we're really lucky to still be able to
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get married right now as of January 25th or whatever record,
January 30th. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's do that paper some justice
and respect our partners. Yeah.
Holy moly. And cherish them.
I love how you cherish Kelly. Thank you for coming on the show
and sharing. Hey.
You know, I feel like this is just a normal conversation.
I know, we just have a mic. Here, Yeah.
You just put a microphone in between US and, you know, didn't
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have any snacks. So I know if we had snacks so we
could, people would have hurt Chewy.
I know it's not an ASMR podcast.Maybe we could do that next
time. Like.
We'll try some southern food foryou guys.
Those things are OK. I know that there are some
people that just love those things and I'm like.
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You don't listen to like the head massage ASMR.
Well, you have a wife who massage your head.
Sometimes I go to bed lonely. Yeah.
And after I say my prayers, I put on a head massage, ASMR and
like you hear the buyer and all.No.
Do you know the only thing of those ASMR things that I like
are the ones of people that get are at the chiropractors.
What's the only ones? The ones are they gonna get
their backs cracked? I think those.
You like to hear cracks? Yeah, it's a little backpack.
Yeah, there you go. That that is very satisfying.
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Oh my God. That's it it.
It's like so painful. I'm like holding out, not
cracking my neck the whole episode.
Now I know it's what people want.
OK, OK. How do people follow you, Amy?
Well, my Instagram is Amy J Kane.
Kane, the Broadway Besties podcast is our other Instagram.
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Our, you know, ask you. Yes, yes, I will put all of her
information in the show notes. You've got to go to the baptise.
Yo. Bespoke baptise Yes yes.
I am so excited. I'm gonna go check out the
website cuz last when we first met you were like showing me
you're like the website is gonnabe new.
So I'm so excited to go check out the website again.
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And it's interesting how we met.We met just like being local
lesbians in the area. I know right?
It was so cool. And everybody kept saying, what
do you know, Sophia? And I'm like, no.
And I. And I heard the same thing.
Yeah. Do you know it was Amy Kane?
But Amy Jones Kane, whose last name is who and who took?
My maiden name was Jones. I took her last name.
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Damn. Absolutely.
And you're the mask in this relationship, right?
We don't. You like all those labels we
don't define? Like no, because I like my
makeup and perfume and hair products as much as the next
girls. OK, you just have short hair.
Yeah, that's it. But I always have from TV days,
so, you know, just have sugar hair, but good hair.
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If you're listening, you do havegood hair if you look, but your
wife has even better hair. Let's get it straight.
My wife's hairs it's like. Epic.
I'm really into redheads. I'm just going to get it out
there. But yeah, that's.
Well, and look, I'm sure at somepoint during this you're going
to throw up this picture of. Yes, yes, yeah.
They're so cute. Yes, so cute.
Yes, but but no, it really it had a lot to do with our
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daughters that I wanted to make sure that the last name that I
would take would be their familyname.
I love that. Yeah, that's so sincere.
Yeah, it was a very deliberate choice.
Wow. It was like very humbling and
very, very sweet. Yeah.
It's beautiful, I think, and youguys can tell me, drop it in the
comments if you're over 45. I feel like you hate all of the
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labels. We do.
But here's the thing. I laugh every time I have a
conversation with you and you like to describe somebody with a
label and I'm like, look, you know, you're like, she's in it.
And then I'm like, all right, send me a picture and you'll
send me a picture of I'm like, oh, she's a pretty blonde, like.
What can I my blonde your God? But this is what I this is the
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issue I have. We inside of the platform have
to match people based on their type.
And sometimes people lean more feminine, more masculine.
Are they like an androgynous look?
So in order. I'm very I'm much more on the
androgynous. Side, you're very hybrid.
Yeah, I'm hybrid. That is, yes.
Perfect word, yes. Yes, in the middle I yes, for
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those who. Accept BDE I'm you know, I just.
You do have a big Dick energy I do I.
Definitely have that and I'm totally good with that.
Yes, I love it. Look, it's a man's world out
there. You got to be able to have it to
to survive out there. Absolutely, absolutely.
And I'm going to throw up the picture of this beautiful,
beautiful couple. Thank you for letting me borrow
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her, Kelly, and I hope that you have an amazing day.
Thanks for spending time with me.
Well. Thanks for wanting to have this
conversation. Hopefully, hopefully it is
insightful and makes a lot of your people follow that know
that there's always love to be found.
There is. And when you when you find the
right one, you're going to feel it.
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That's what I got out of this. You're.
Going to feel it. OK guys, let's feel it.
Hey lesbians, what's the secret to winning at life?
For me, it's a it's the whole enchilada.
I ain't even going to lie. I want to have it all with
somebody. I want to have the perfect
little life, peaceful love. As a businesswoman, I want to
see that success. I want to see my partner
thriving as well. Doing what we love, being
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passionate, not only in our lovelife, but in our careers.
Today we're talking business andwe're talking love.
I have a guest that is going to give us all the answers and I
say that with confidence. All the answers, everything that
we could ever wonder about what it's like when you meet the love
of your life and how to make huge moves.
(00:43):
We're going to hear it all. Welcome back to queer women
Rising where iPhone lesbian friends and talk about queer
love, how to dodge the dating drama and embracing the peaceful
connections that we all deserve.I'm Sophia Splino, you're a
lesbian host. I'm so glad that you're joining
me today. If you're not watching this on
YouTube or Spotify, you are listening to the podcast the
(01:04):
wrong way. Especially today because I'm a
very, very special guest that will be here in person.
That's right, actually in my house in the studio.
Life update, life update real quick.
This is day 26th of my breakup and I say I'm feeling pretty
(01:27):
good today. I'm feeling pretty good.
Yesterday I felt like a troll that like should have never come
out from under the bridge. Today we made it out from under
the bridge and we're feeling really good.
I want you to know if you're going through a breakup, that
breakups and healing are not linear.
You could be very confident in your breakup and in the decision
(01:50):
you made, but also feel like shit.
And if that's you know you're not alone.
My DMS are open and if you watchmy content you'll see it's a
safe space to share, to have theups and downs, and to heal.
What is most healing for me though is hearing evidence.
There are people in this world that like get jealous of what
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other people have. If that's you, this episode is
not for you. If you want to look at someone's
life and go holy for juicy balls, that for juicy boobies
and that is what is possible. Then you will.
Love this episode today because we're talking to someone who has
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truly an extraordinary life. And Speaking of extraordinary,
we've just sold out our very first and possibly only, I don't
know, I have to. I'm going to be honest with you
guys, I'm not an in person big party kind of girl.
So we just sold out our very first in person retreat.
Hanging out with me and five to seven other extraordinary
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lesbians at Canyon Ranch. It is going to be a luxurious
experience. I don't do cheap ass things.
If you hang out with me, we're not doing cheap ass things.
We're only doing extraordinary. We're hanging out with the most
cool lesbians in the world and we're going to be being Hanford
because I don't know about you, but I don't think there's
(03:15):
anything sexier than a relaxed lesbian, OK?
We're going to be up in the sauna.
We're going to be having the most extraordinary food, gourmet
food. We're going to be chilling, like
just tapped out for a few days together.
And it's going to be an incredible spiritually
transformative mind, body, spirit, even your skin
(03:38):
experience. We're totally getting facials
and massages and we're going big.
OK, So if for some reason you missed out on this retreat and
you're a bougie girly, you enjoythe finer things in life, and
you are a single lesbian, you may want to join us on the next
one if we do it. Let me be fully transparent.
It is January 31st. Ask me after the retreat if I'm
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going to host another one, Not because I don't think I'll have
a blast, but I don't know if I have enough energy for that.
I'm I'm a baby grandma, OK? If I have enough energy after
this retreat, because I'm leading it, everyone there,
they're going to be all relaxed.But I got to make sure that I
can energetically hold a retreat.
I'm just going to be real with you.
And so if I find this is something that I enjoy, that I
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like to do, I might host anotherone.
If that's the case, you will want to DM me.
Retreat now so you can be on thewait list again.
My retreats are very small, veryexclusive, very luxurious.
I don't think I'll ever be that girly that has hundreds of women
come into some cheap retreat or a cruise or anything like that.
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I just, I don't see it happening.
I wouldn't want to take you on an experience that I wouldn't
want to go on with a partner. I want this to be luxurious and
just tantalizing for the census.So if this is something you're
interested in, DM me. Retreat so you can be on the
insider list for the next 1. And I think that's it.
(05:06):
That's all I really want to share about the updates because
nothing about hearing me just doing facials and working from
my bed and feeling like sad about a breakup but also knowing
simultaneously I have access to a Rolodex of the hottest
lesbians in the world because I literally have the ultimate
(05:26):
lesbian dating platform. It's like I know it, but I got
to wait till I'm healed. It's January 31st.
I ain't healed enough yet to be matched in my own platform.
When I'm ready, I'll let you allknow.
And when I'm ready, I'll be dating in my own platform.
With that being said, let's talkabout today's guest, Amy Jones
(05:47):
Kane. OK, so this is a powerhouse
woman. She lives in my neighborhood and
we are newly bestie lesbian friends about oh gosh, it's been
less than a year but almost a year actually that we've been
friends. And we do these little like
routine coffee updates and she is one of the most inspiring
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people yet humble people I've ever met.
She's been a light for me in thedark.
She always has the right thing to say whether it's about
business or relationship. She's just that big sister
lesbian energy. And also, as she calls it BDE,
she does have that big Dick energy and I love it.
I think we met in like Instagramcomments one day and realized we
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were both Louisiana lesbians andthen now we live in the same
hood and it's awesome. Like it's so cool.
Her wife is gorgeous. Freaking gorgeous.
I may be biased because I love me a redhead, but her wife is
beautiful and I'm going to be throwing up a picture of them at
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some point. Editor listening to this.
Throw up a picture of Amy and her wife.
They're precious. This show, as you guys know, is
about lesbians who do extraordinary things and have
extraordinary little lives like you.
Your life doesn't have to be fancy to be on Queer Women
Rising. I want to give women evidence of
what's possible. And in this case, I'm truly
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giving you evidence of what's possible, not only in love, but
in a life that is so big, so big.
Amy. Amy Jones, Kane has done so
much. She went from being one of the
few female sports anchors in thecountry.
I'm talking about going from ourlittle towns, KATC 3 to ESPN and
Fox. She left The Newsroom to lead
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the communication strategies behind major political wins.
She's built and sold businesses,she's helped shape NIL sports
collectives and now she's bringing high end fashion to
business women with her latest venture buying into Bespoke
Batiste, a custom fashion brand with high end suit options to
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offer women caught in the often boring world of off the rack
business world. And if you're listening to this,
we know, we know. We love a lesbian and a power
suit. We love a good tailored suit.
OK us gay bosses love to dress crisp, polished and that is what
this brand is. And also extremely colorful and
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personal. Y'all have to go and look at the
show notes. I'm just so proud of her and all
that she is, all that she gets behind.
Beyond the career wins, there's a love story.
That's what most of the show is about.
How did she really know that herpartner was the one And man,
it's a good story. And what keeps them strong in a
world where success could sometimes get in the way of
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love? Welcome to the show, Amy Jones
Cade. Hello, Amy.
How are you I'm. Well, I'm surviving.
It's a breakup season. I know, I know.
We we had a good lunch and talked a lot of that's what we
do. Yes, talked a lot about what
were the details of what happened.
And so, so heartbreaking and sorry for you.
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And yet at the same time, as I told you at 32, you have so many
more miles on that journey coming for you and your person's
coming. They just, they haven't gotten
here yet. I believe it.
I receive it. Yeah.
And all you have learned throughthese last few years, as
difficult as they may have been,is what you don't want.
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Yes. And who is going to be that
person that you'll be with the rest of your life?
And that's not a bad thing to. Know it's not thank you for
being like the cool big sister anytime I need you're right down
the road. We're literally neighbors and I
can be like Amy help. Yes, absolutely.
I, I told you, you know, for me,I, I met my person when I was
39. I know we're going to talk about
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I've. So excited.
Thank you for. Doing this with.
Me. I know.
And I asked, can I talk about it?
Do you, are you OK with me telling the story?
And she's like, tell the story. OK, OK, got it.
We got YC approval. Yes.
I love it. OK so I always start with what
letter of the alphabet soup do you identify with and why?
As in, like the LGBTQI? Mean always the L, OK?
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Always. It's always been the L word,
right? So like since you were little?
You know, I came out when I was in what, early 20s, I think I
was maybe 23 or so. So, you know, it always has been
for me. I, I mean, I always knew it, but
when I immediately started saying it, well, I was one of
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those ones too, that, you know, I would say, well, I'm, I'm gay.
I still do, really more so than than anything.
But yes, always, always the ill.Have you ever had gay guys come
up to you and say that they don't like you using the G?
No. I've had that.
No, I mean, most of my really close best friends are all gay
guys. Yeah, I have tons, tons of gay
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male friends and absolutely not,you know, they I really, you've
had that. Yeah.
But I mean, I also talk about this online a lot, OK?
Well, no, has never happened to me.
OK, I'm so glad. Yes, now that we have wifey
permission. Yes, how?
When you're married to an Irish redhead.
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Oh, she's a Irish. Oh yes, Irish redhead you so
it's. Real red hair.
That is real red hair. We're going to show a picture of
her. She's gorgeous.
She has the prettiest eyes in the whole world, just brightest
smile. How old were y'all when you met?
I was 16 and she was 13, so we met.
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She was actually my sister's friend in high school, and she
was always my little sister's friend, right?
And it wasn't until we reconnected when I was 39 years
old that things took a whole different slant.
OK, how did that happen? And was she like the annoying
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little sister or no? No, no, no, no, no, no.
It, it was always, they were fun, You know, my, my younger
sister just had this really fun group of friends.
You know, I always said they were just, they were so goofy,
but funny and, and just did fun things and I never looked at me
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and went, Oh, they're annoying. No, I, I never, I mean, there
were a couple of them in that group that certainly were, but
Kelly absolutely was not. But it was, I was 39, and we ran
into each other at a local restaurant and I saw her.
Her back was to me. And I had broken up with
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somebody earlier that summer andI basically was about to go on
single girl spree, right? Yeah, that was it.
I was like I, I. How long do you wait to go on
single girl spree? Like how many months before you
just go buck wild? You know, it had been a couple
of months since we had broken up.
And I was just like, OK, this isit.
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I don't want to be in a relationship.
And her back was to me across the lobby of this restaurant.
And all I saw was that red hair.And I knew who it was.
And she turned around and I, I was like, oh, wow.
Well, she comes over and I was already talking to a couple of
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other her friends and she comes over and she puts her arm around
me, hugs and hugs me and she's like well hey, how are you?
And for whatever reason, I, I just didn't let her go.
I just kind of just stood there holding on to her and.
She knows you're gay. She knows.
Absolutely, Absolutely. And she's not trying to pull
away. No, no.
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And she is not trying to pull away.
And from what I knew about her, she had been married, has two
beautiful young girls at this time, you know, and, and so I
just don't want to let her go. And I'm like, God, she's so
cute. And you know, so her friend that
we had a mutual friend was talking to me and knew I had
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gone through this, this breakup.And she goes, well, what, what's
the plan? What are you, What are you going
to do next? I said, Oh, I'm, I'm about to
kiss as many girls as I possiblycan.
And Kelly looks and looks at me and says, well, you could kiss
me. Oh my God.
And I look at her and I said, Oh, Kelly King, now you're
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you're not the type of girl I just kiss.
You're you're the kind of girl Iwould ask out on a date.
And she looks at me and says, well, are you going to ask me?
Oh my God. And me and my ultimate coolness
say I got to go and totally walkaway.
Completely froze right then and there.
Completely froze. Well, we go into the restaurant,
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we sit and I can see her across the restaurant.
Now she can't see me. And I'm trying to have a
conversation with the friends that I was having dinner with
last night. I could care less about what
they were saying. All I was, I just kept like
looking right. And so we were friends on
Facebook. I send a message to her
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messenger and I'm like, hey, I don't know if you were just
joking around, whatever, but if you were serious, I would love
to take you out. And and it's back when.
Oh my. Gosh.
So I'm like, OK, all right, all right.
So we make a plan that in a couple of days, you know, we're
going to go and have a drink. Real quick, that night you did
not kiss her. Absolutely not.
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I didn't talk to her again that.Night.
Oh my God. OK.
So I nothing happens that would and so we decide that was a
Friday night. So that's Sunday night.
We're going to go and have her drink.
OK, so I keep giving her like, OK, I'm going to give her the
out. I'm going to totally give her
the out. You know, she's not dated a
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woman before. She's going to, you know, she's
going to kind of go, Oh, no, no,no, freak out.
You're not going to be seen on adate in public.
That's a thing here in Lafayette, LA.
Absolutely right. And so I kind of just keep
waiting for her to to go. Oh, wait, what am I doing?
You know, and I get a call from her on that Sunday afternoon.
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She's like, look, I'm having a private problem with my
babysitter. I can't go out tonight.
I'm like, I get it. And look, I got to leave for New
York to go work with a client tomorrow.
It's no problem. And look, it was so good seeing
you and, you know, good luck. And hopefully we run into each
other and catch up at some point.
And she goes, well, I said, I can't go tonight.
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I can go this afternoon. And so I was like, oh, so we
did, we went and we sat and we, we visited and it was a
restaurant called Don's. All right, So we go, we sit and
we, we visit and kind of catch up of where life is taking you
and how do you get here? And you know, she's like, this
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is, this is crazy. Just this is absolutely crazy
that I'm sitting here and, you know, and I'm like, because I'm
never this bold and never, you know, I'm like, OK, well,
wonderful afternoon visiting. She's got to go because she's
got to get back to her kids. And I'm like, OK, And that was
it. Did not kiss then at all.
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Well, I leave to go to New York,but it's her birthday.
So I, you know, we've had a conversation.
You talked about you had the last few years.
She was, you know, going througha divorce and was about to be
finalized. And you know that it was just
hard because she'd stop dreamingand, and stop wanting for
things. And so I, I sent flowers and I
said, may this be the year for her birthday.
I said, may this be the year youstart dreaming again.
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It's all very simple. And I just get a text.
The plane's about to take off and I get a text and she's like,
well played, Amy, well played. I'm like, I I was just trying to
be sweet. Sweet girls do this, right?
Boys don't do this. They have to be reminded.
They have to be begged, right? This is what women do.
So the client I'm working with is at the US Open.
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So I get to New York and we're texting like get to the airport,
the plane lands. We just start just, you know,
that constant texting. And I'm like, God, these, these
are funny conversations we're having.
She makes me laugh and land in New York and then, like, the
texting is really, like, constantly now is what it's
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turning into. And staying with my best friend
who's living in New York at the time and we're doing things.
And yet I find I just keep looking at my phone.
I'm like, OK, I'm supposed to beon Single Girls Free.
All right. What's going on here?
Right? You've not kissed one girl at
this time. And I'm not and I'm only.
No, I had, but no, no, no. But you know, it was very
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interesting that I'm sitting here and very taken with.
Her. You can't get her out of your
head. Cannot.
And at night I'd be, you know, laying there to go to sleep and
we get on the phone and start talking till like 3:00 in the
morning. You know that time, right?
You fall. You fall asleep on the phone.
Kind of thing. Talking stage, yeah.
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Right. Well, the morning I'm supposed
to get up and start work with the client and I, I do that and
I'm at the US Open and I go out in the center court and it's
empty at the time. At this point in your career,
what are you doing with this client?
Consulting, doing some consulting work with somebody
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that is working for the Tennis Channel.
And so I take a picture on Center Court and send it to her.
And so that kind of. Prompts a whole new
conversation. Well the next day comes and I'm
like, what are you doing today? And she's like, you know, not a
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whole lot today. And I said keep your phone by
you. She says why?
I said come see New York with me.
Well, instead of doing what I'm supposed to do, I spend the day
going to things and taking pictures and showing her what
I'm seeing. And in that is I'm sitting in
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Central Park. And sometimes I just love to go
sit in Central Park and just sitand watch and I'm going, why is
it I really wish she was here with me.
Very, very strange. But in this all comes full
circle. So remember the park.
So this goes on the whole week that I'm there and I'm there
having to work for the week and we get to the weekend and it's
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Saturday. I'm like, why am I sitting in
New York City when the girl I want to be with is back in
Louisiana? And actually at this point she's
at her parents beach house aboutan hour outside of New Orleans
in a little town called Bay Saint Louis.
So I just take off for the airport and I get to the airport
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and I go to check in my luggage.It's an hour before the flight
leaves. Move the flight and they're
like, oh, well, you can't check your baggage.
I said here it's an hour before the flight.
Like, oh, in New York, you have to be here an hour and a half if
you're going to check baggage. And I'm like, I got to get on
that plane. This is the last plane going
back to the South. You got to let me on that plane.
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And he was like, I can't do anything about it.
We closed it. That and your bag is really
clearly too big to be able to carry on.
He goes, I'm sorry, I'm just going to have to catch another
flight tomorrow. So I kind of stood by there, you
know, And so now I'm watching. Look at them all watch. 45
minutes to go until this plane takes Oh my God hell am I going.
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To. Damn right.
I'm like, I got to get on this plane.
And so finally I look at him andI'm like, look, I don't know if
you believe in love, I said. But there's a girl on the other
side of this and I'm going to lose her before I have a chance
to win her. If you don't let me get on that
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plane with a guy stops and he looks at me, I'm telling you, I
told you this is like a movie. Right.
I hope he's not homophobic. Absolutely not.
He stops what he's doing and he looks at his colleague and he
says take over my space and I'm like, my weed is about to kick
me out of the airport or he's going to do something really
cool. So he comes around and he grabs
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my suitcase and he's like, follow me.
And suddenly here we are in JFK,walking through the airport.
He bypasses now, you know the lines in New York airports,
right? Bypasses everybody.
We go to the magnetometer, get to security.
He goes right past it, takes it through, puts this big suitcase
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on the thing. He says this is going to be our
one sticking point. Let's see it like, like with
nothing to spare, gets through, gets through on the same.
We get to the gate. He walks me past all the people
in the line at the gate. OK.
We go all the way down to the plane.
He stops as we get to the door, looks at the flight attendant at
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the door and says check this, it's a direct flight to New
Orleans. He says check this bag.
And he looks at me and he says, honey, I hope she's worth it.
Go get your girl. I literally, I had some cash in
my pocket. I probably handed him like $500.
You know, I gave him everything I had, right?
I was like, I, I don't even knowwhat to say to you.
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It's like 11:00 at night. It's about an hour away from the
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OK, but remember we still have akiss at this point.
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beautiful old southern house on the beach with this gorgeous,
you know, staircase coming down the front.
And I pull up and she comes walking down the staircase.
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And I mean like her parents. Know.
No, at this point she's she's there with a friend for the
weekend hanging out. That's why she was there.
And she comes down and I'm standing at the bottom of the
stairs and I'm telling you with like 4 stairs left to go, she's
like basically just jumps and westart kissing and that was our
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first kiss. And I like to say we started
guessing and we haven't stopped to this day.
It's so cute. How many years ago?
That was coming up. It'll be a it'll be 11 years
that happened at the end of August and we will have been
well, Fast forward, I mean, and that was it.
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Like I knew from that second that was it.
I was going to marry this for. Me.
How do you know I knew? I knew it was in my soul that
this was it. That like this was I'm like, I
am 1000% in like I never hesitated.
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I never questioned it. And when I sent the flowers to
her, her parents were like, wellthese are beautiful, Who are
these from? And she tells.
Them and they're like conservative old people.
From the South. I mean, they're from the South,
but I mean, you know, to the point that they were like, OK,
OK, all right. So, you know, all this is like
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lining up and, you know, but herparents know who I am and and,
you know, my mom, they she knowswho Kelly is everybody.
And so all of this is like happening and I'm telling you, I
knew, I knew that yes, it was, Iwas, I was marrying her.
I was going to marry those girls.
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I was like, I don't even know your kids yet.
And I'm, I'm telling you, I'm going to love them.
I'm going to love these girls. And it, it never, I never
wavered about it, never, never second guessed it.
And December. So I turned 40 that December.
Now it's August. We get together end of August
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and it is December 7th, my 40th birthday.
We're in New York for my 40th birthday.
And she said what do you want todo for your birthday?
And I said I want to go walk in Central Park in the morning.
I said it's so cold. I'm like it's crisp, it's cold,
let's go walk in the park. And we walked to that bench and
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I said, this was the bench I sent you the picture from.
And she was like, really? I was like, yeah, let's just
let's, let's sit. So we sit and we're talking.
And I turned and I got on one knee on that bench.
Oh, I asked her to marry me. Within a few months.
Within a few months. That's so beautiful.
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So you say that it's just a feeling you have.
It, it's 100% this, my life willnot be complete if I'm not with
you. And I, it, I knew it, I never
felt like that. It was.
And the more I would talk to her, the more I was like, this
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is what it's supposed to be like.
And you know, it was always like, people are like, well, how
did you know? How did you know?
You know, and we've been married10 years, right?
And how did I know? I knew that it wasn't just a
idea with her. It was it was an action It
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literally it it defined what it was supposed to be like and I
think this was the biggest thingfor me.
I am a dreamer. I mean, you know my business
story, right? Yes, which?
We'll get into, right? But I'm, I'm a dreamer and I had
really never been in a place with somebody that those big
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dreams were like, OK, go for it,you know?
And that's what I found with her.
But what it was is it wasn't herjust saying go for it.
It was her saying go for it. And then when something would
happen that would be frustratingabout it, that it would be OK,
well, how are you going to fix it to keep going?
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And there was never that hesitation of, OK, we'll come
back to reality. Yeah.
You know. And so all of a sudden, big
things. Just happened started to happen
yes, because like in the right vibration someone's totally
supporting you it it. Absolutely, absolutely was and
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you know it, it's so fascinatingand interesting to me that when
I saw her that yeah, there are people that you look at and
you're like, oh, what a what a beautiful woman.
But I'm hand on the Bible that in 10 years, it is never been
one of those things that I've looked at somebody and go, oh.
(32:01):
Yeah, I know 'cause you have it all like you.
Like my I see her. Every time I go on a little
coffee date, you're like always just like my wife is so hot,
like every, every time, so cute,like you're always talking about
her. I I just love that woman.
I just love her, you know, and, and people like to talk about
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that, you know, how do you guys do it?
Hey, look, it's it's not all great.
Yeah, it's what I want to know like what are non negotiables in
your relationship to keep it allgreat.
What are the the boundaries thatyou guys have?
What are just some common things?
Like maybe you don't even have to talk about it anymore with
each other because you just haveto?
Know that it's better to go through the hard parts together
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than to be going through something good by yourself.
Oh, that's so good. That's so good.
And that's. That's really what it is, is
that, you know, we've had to do a lot of hard things and yet we
do it together. And I think the other thing is
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it's a lot of talking It, it's a, it's a lot of talking and
working on yourself as an individual that then tries to
make you a better partner. And I mean, look, work on it
every day. I am a fixer by by nature.
And to understand that, you know, she's not always asking me
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to fix whatever issues she's going through.
Sometimes it's just I want to tell you what's going on or this
is what I am going to have to deal with.
Yeah. And then just be that support
of, OK, I'm here, you know, and those are those are hard, hard
lessons that you have to learn. And then on top of it, you know,
I adopted the girls couple of years after we got married, I
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was able to adopt my daughters. And you know, you've got two,
I've got 2 and Thunder and Lightning, as I like to call it.
And it's definitely without a doubt, the hard part of
parenting together is also, you know, just another level of
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things. And I'm so funny because she
told me this very early because,you know, our biggest fights are
going to be about the kids. And I'm like, no, no.
Yes, parenting is hard. It is hard.
I can't imagine running a business and having children and
making time for your wife you'rereally doing it on.
You're not running a business, you're running like an empire,
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multiple businesses. Yeah, life has been very kind to
me from that perspective. Okay, so I love having women on
the show to not only talk about love and how to build a healthy
relationships, but I didn't really get to see queer women
doing all the things, having it all growing up.
Or if I did see it, I was kind of shielded from it in the
South, like, oh, there's Ellen and that's it, you know, that's
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it. Never got to solve them.
See feminine women do it. Never got to see women who look
like Kelly be these feminine women in beautiful, healthy
relationships and have a partnership and be in business
together. So I want to know about the
career side because just as muchas the love is beautiful, it's
like you built this huge life and women disproportionately
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make less than men, but queer women are even more
marginalized, and we cannot create what we don't see.
So I would love for you to shareall of your success so not only
we can celebrate it, but see what's possible for us.
So can you tell us, even from before you met Kelly, how you
started your journey and your career and then how it blossomed
when you came together? Well, you know, for me, I
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started my career. I was a television sports anchor
for many years and was out in California and got to do some
work for ESPN, got to do some work with Fox, got to do, you
know, was, was covering all of the professional leagues.
And you know, was at the time atthe apex.
It's when Shaq was still playingand Kobe Bryant and Steve Young
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and Jerry Rice and all of these huge names, you know, and, and
I'm covering Super Bowls and AllStar games and, and all of this.
I was sports lesbians listening.You're like what?
Yeah yeah, shout out to my sports ball girls.
So right, so and and I still am.I'm still a sports fanatic.
Oh absolutely. But it's fun to, to be able to
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just enjoy it now because it like anything else, it just
became a job, you know. But after I decided very, very
early on in my career, I had done that for several years, but
then decided, you know, I don't know if this is it for me.
I just don't know if this is what I want to do the rest of my
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life. You know, every weekend you
don't have weekends, you're in sports stadiums and, you know,
while the rest of the world is off, you're working, you know,
and that's the life of being in sports.
And, and, and I was like, I, I just don't know if this is
forever for me. And also at the time, I mean, I
was based in California and I was like, I, I, I'm away from my
entire family, you know, and I, I, this is really hard.
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And when I missed my sister's wedding because I was covering
the Olympic trials, I was like, that's, maybe this just isn't
what I'm, I'm willing to give up.
And I, I always say it was the best decision I ever made.
People are like, you were so good.
Don't you miss it? And I'm like, I never, I, when I
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walked away from that, I just never looked back.
And it started, I went to the other side of the microphone,
used what I had learned there and really started life, NPR and
political consulting and doing things that.
But it was always working for somebody else, right?
Always beholden to somebody else.
And for me, it really came down to in 2009, I was working on
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Capitol Hill and I decided, thisis it.
I'm done working for somebody else.
I'm going to be my own boss. And I can remember I walked out
Capitol Hill for the last time as an employee and it was 2009.
And you know, there's that meme fire starter that you have Drew
Barrymore and then the the skiesall on a flame.
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That's how I kind of felt walking out of that building.
But it was time to take a chanceon me.
Which is so scary. It's the.
Scariest thing anybody can ever do because there is no safety.
Net. Oh, I know the feeling.
Absolutely. There's no, there's no safety
net. And that's what I did that
walked out and walked out and decided that that was it.
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I was literally going to work for myself and I was never, I
didn't care how hard it was going to be that I needed to
always remember that feeling of literally working in a closet,
you know, with no windows, because that's what I had to do
for a paycheck that basically glorified somebody else.
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And I was like, I'm, I'm done. And so that was I, I was like,
I'm going to pick and choose what I want to do.
I love it and I think someone out there listening is feeling
these feelings and just know I made it.
I'm not where she's at yet. I will be.
But I made it. I survived and made the decision
and she did. And she's got a lot to show for
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it. And if you're feeling that, take
the leap and actually believe inyourself.
God gives us all desires that are so beautiful and will change
the world. And you got to take the leap.
And it's uncomfortable and it feels like the wrong decision a
lot of times. It does.
And I will tell you there is a lot of times where I have had no
other choice but literally to get down on my knees and say,
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you're driving the show. Come on, guys.
You, is this really what it it'ssupposed to feel like today?
You know, and there are days that scared to death, but you do
it anyway. And that's that's the biggest
thing is to push through the scary days.
And I think that's the that's where so many businesses are
lost. There is a graveyard of good
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business ideas of people that just couldn't push past the bad
days. And.
There are a lot of people in this world that are not meant to
do it. And, and it's OK if you're not,
Oh my God, like don't torture yourself.
I wouldn't warn you. It's torture.
Yeah. And and look, I thank God for it
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that there are people that want to work for other people.
I mean, I need those people in the companies that I own that
want to, you know. No, they have a.
Paycheck, yeah. And, and that is good work.
Yes. It is a very, very scary time,
you know, but I've never not been that one that looks at it
(40:59):
and figures it out, you know, and that that and COVID while
everybody else was like, Oh my God, I looked at COVID as OK,
where are the opportunities? Because in every situation,
somebody somewhere is making money.
Yeah. What is it that people are
getting paid to do during this particular season?
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I'm so glad I gay girlie got themoney.
And that's you got to go that route.
Yes, you know, and that's, that's literally, you know,
that's, that's all the time, everything that you're looking
at, it's to look at it and go, OK, where is there an
opportunity? And you know, I have a fantastic
business partner that he and I are very solidly along the line
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of. Don't ever look at it.
Don't. Don't be greedy.
Yeah, don't be greedy. Find where your niche or your
piece is in a project, do what you need to on that project and
then move on to the next thing you know.
Don't allow yourself to to be somired down into, well, this is
that's the other thing. People don't know how to pivot
very well. You know, you have to, you got
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to be nimble, you have to be able to be agile, and you have
to know how and when to pivot and know that it's OK to be new
at doing something. 100%. But get good at it real.
Fast. Real fast.
Yeah, absolutely. Yes.
And you know, those are, it's no, it's no gigantic secret that
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I'm telling you. I think that that more or less
what I'm telling you is it's more about the determination
that has to exist. There is a mindset that has to
exist when you work for yourselfthat is way different than
anything else. Anything else?
Because no one's going to give. You the paycheck.
No. And and then even if you have a
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good paycheck this month, the next month you've got to go out
and get it again and. Then, and this is my other
biggest piece of advice, that when you do find success, you
got to find ways to give some ofthat money away to people that
need it, change people's lives or show up for them at a time
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where they need it in a way thatis not expected.
And, you know, I say this in a very humble place, that the most
humbling thing that we get to do, and I say get to do very
specifically and deliberately, is to help some families that
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lose a loved one bury those family members to give them a
dignified death. And I think sometimes that's the
greatest gift you can give somebody.
I really do That is, is this something that you just choose
to help people or is there an organization or is it just
personal? It's personal.
That's so sweet. It's personal and, you know, it
was the first time my business partner called and said so.
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And so his father's died and youknow, they, they don't have the
money to be able to bury him. And what do you think?
You want to go in half with me and, and let's, let's bury him.
I was like, absolutely. And that has turned into
something we've done several times.
And the feeling I, I, I can't tell you the feeling of knowing
(44:24):
that you were giving somebody dignified death and allowing the
family to have closure. That's a gift.
That is. That is a real gift.
That's interesting. What?
I never suspected that was one of your passions like.
I didn't think it would be, but I'm going to tell you it's the
one thing I probably, I mean, I hate it for those families.
And yet at the same time, I lovethat I'm in the position to be
(44:46):
able to help in those particularsituations.
That's beautiful. Yeah.
And then the other thing I wouldsuggest is that when you have
success in business, then find something that becomes
passionate for you because a lotof what you do business wise
that may make you successful is not necessarily something that
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you're passionate about. Yeah.
You know, I mean we've we've done a really great job of
building a very successful company in a sector that I can't
say that I'm necessarily passionate.
Yeah, I know. But so instead, what did I do?
Well, you know, I'm a Broadway junkie.
(45:30):
Yes, let's hear about it. It's so good.
I love. Broadway Junkie that you know,
have a great the Broadway Besties podcast.
It's so good. Yeah, go follow us on Instagram
and download us wherever you getyour podcast.
It's funny. It's.
So funny and like, even if you don't know the shows very well,
because I'm not as Broadway bestie as you guys.
(45:52):
Like I'm just dabbling in Broadway.
Like I listen to select episodesand then I'll find them the next
one playing. And I don't know anything about
that production, but I I enjoy the conversation.
Then I'm interested in it and then I want to go watch it.
And it's it's so good. You make it like friendly for
people who may not. That's the point, yes, like
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that's the point. For me in my life, I don't have
a ton of time to go see these shows right now.
Like I'm busting ass. This is my like grind season and
so I'm not getting to go see allthe shows that I want to go see.
And you make me feel like I'm there and that I got the
experience and I love that. Well, and I will say this too, I
hate that people say, oh, lesbians do not like Broadway.
(46:35):
And I'm like. People say so.
Absolutely. They're like, oh, that, you
know, And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Oh, no. In Queer Country Club we talk
about Broadway. I love Broadway.
I I do like themed like I play lots of yeah.
Well, the one thing that we havefound through the podcast is you
know how many lesbian loving Broadway women there are in the
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closet. Exactly.
And I'm like, come on out, come on out.
Water's real warm over here. So yes, so have that.
And then the other thing that I did is that I invested in a
bespoke suit company. Yes.
And that that is, you know, I hate how boring I'm saying how
boring it seems in here in in jeans and, you know, black, but.
(47:22):
Now you look fabulous. But normally if you see me,
like, dressed up, I promise you I will be the loudest one in the
room. I see.
But yeah. So it it is one of those things,
though, that I think that off the rack suits for women are
awful. Yes.
They're so terribly boring. Yeah, and it's not just the thin
lesbians that deserve the couture.
(47:43):
Well, but here's The thing is I love that we dress every range
of human being. I have so many businessmen that
wear what we wear. I've got celebrities that we are
able to dress. You know, I've got every range.
And this is really what I'm hoping more as we move into 25
and 26, is that we start dressing more women that
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understand the power that comes in wearing clothing that is cut
for you and the fabrics and the textures that make you feel
comfortable. Because, you know, look, I'm
almost 6 feet tall. I know I can wear clothes.
You're tall, you can wear clothes.
There's so many people that settle for clothes that don't
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fit them well. Because you don't get a tailor.
Exactly and they don't tailor itright so, but if you start.
Wearing it. Just go buy something cheap only
to go tailor. Exactly.
And I'm like, wear something that you love that is custom
made for you. And I'm, I'm telling you, I.
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Pay for it to be done right. Yes, and look, and I know you
are trying to make magic happen with couples all over the.
World. Oh no, we're not trying.
We're making. So my point is, is that I better
be dressing all of these people for your weddings.
Yes, queer Country Club guys, ifyou haven't joined, it's lesbian
dating, but only for you monogamous lesbians.
(49:13):
And if you haven't heard about it, I don't know how by now, but
I started the dating platform. I'd love to have you apply.
And we are only wanting women inside who are truly looking for
their life partner, who actuallywant a wife for life.
And when you get married, not only do I want an invitation to
the wedding, I want you wearing one of Amy's.
Yes, absolutely. So what's the name of the
company, Amy? It's, it's bespoke Batiste and
(49:34):
Batiste is a very southern name.But my, my business partner, Oh
my God, he dresses in a way thatI sometimes and I'm not afraid
of color and faculty combinations.
Sometimes he'll put things together and I'm like, I would
never think to do that, but damn, you look good, right?
(49:54):
So yes, bespoke Batiste BATISTE.OK, we're going to put in the
show notes. Yes, absolutely.
So can they order a custom suit and like send in measurements?
How does this? Work.
Yeah, we know. We have a whole process that
we're able to measure you anywhere that you are in the
world. And then go, go through, we'll
do Zoom calls to go through so we can send you fabric samples
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if you need. Do everything to make it exactly
what you want. Although I always tell people,
just trust me. Just trust me.
I haven't had anybody yet, but Ihave put it together.
That's like, oh, I, I, I didn't like that.
Yeah. No, it's, it's really some
fantastic things that we're ableto do and, and again goes into
my creativity and and the the passion that I have for it.
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I love doing it. I love it.
And you said at 39 is when you met Kelly, Yes.
At what age did you feel like shit?
I have it all like I've got the the kids, they love me like
we're we've got this family and now we've got the business is
thriving. At what age did you feel like
secure? You know, I think I always will
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be grateful at every moment for what we have now, you know, and
I would say that as things wouldhappen, I kept saying, oh, well,
now we have it all and then something else really good would
happen and be like, oh, now we really have it all.
And you know, so, you know, but if I have to go back to it, it's
not the material things that do that.
(51:30):
I would say it's the day I married her.
It really that catalyst for me was a springboard to to so much,
you know, I, I just love that woman.
Yeah. I tell you about my favorite
thing. I tell him my baby.
You just rock my chain, you know?
And then she just does. It's so funny you say that every
(51:52):
time at least once we hang out and so like I don't know why but
it makes me blush every time. I don't know if it's like the
chain like I. And you know where I got that
from? Sterling K Brown, when he won
his Emmy Award for playing the that the prosecutor in the OJ
Simpson miniseries with Cuba Gooding Junior got up and told
(52:13):
his wife from the stage he's like, hey, baby, you just rock
my chain. And I'm like, that's how I feel
about her, you know? So I I just, that's where I got
it from. And and it is stuck with me for
all of these years. But that is my way of saying it,
that yeah, she she just, she does it for me.
(52:33):
And how did she know? Did she ever tell you?
You know, I one you'd have to ask her to have.
You would really have to ask her, but she's.
Not girly to come on the podcast.
Absolutely not. Absolutely not opposite attract
like that one. Absolutely not.
She no for as as as big a personality as I am, she's
(52:55):
equally a personality. But she is just fine.
I mean, her her job, she's a a commercial makeup artist.
I mean, so she is truly a behindthe scenes person.
That's that's what she does, youknow?
And she she's like, I told her, I said, hey, I'm going to go do
this podcast with Sophia. And I was like, do you want to
(53:16):
come by? And she's like, yeah.
And then I told her that. And she's like, I'll just watch
it. I'll just watch it.
So, you know, for her, it reallywas probably about two weeks
into she and I dating, we had hung out one night and I had
(53:40):
left and I sent her a text afterand and said, you know, I just
really love hanging out with you.
And, and the message I got back from her, she's like, I'm all
in, you know, and and that's really where for her where it,
it started. But, you know, I think that for
(54:02):
both of us, we just knew. I mean, there was something, I'm
telling you that first moment when it, it, there was never any
wavering for right there ever. Like there, there has never been
the conversation of the oh, you know, well, maybe I'm not right?
No. Do you think that not wavering
(54:25):
is a is a huge sign? Because I always said if you
make up break up or if you got to go date other people after
you already met this person, it's probably just not it.
And then I waver because I'm like, oh, I have like this one
friend or this friend and I'm like, maybe like there could be
something like, do you think that's a thing where you you
can't have like for it to be your person?
(54:45):
You just know. I totally believe in that
somebody's person maybe somebodythat is their friend.
OK, I totally believe so you think love can grow.
Oh, IA 1000% do OK. I I think that it, it's when
they're whatever stage it is in the relationship that when two
(55:06):
people realize it doesn't work if it's not you.
And that's really what it is, isthat it's not going to work for
me if it's not you. Interesting because that is a
huge differentiating point in every relationship.
Where I go this isn't going to work and I would be better if I
(55:30):
left and that is situation. There is not been one day where
I say that. Well, I don't see that, but I
would think but. I'm telling you, I'd like
there's never been that moment where I think, oh, I'd be better
if I wasn't with you like it. It's it's a devastating thought
to think about not being with her.
(55:53):
And, and that is, and I mean, that's not to say that we don't
both want, oh, I, I need alone time or I need to.
I mean, she's a big recharger, you know?
Oh yeah. She's, she needs her quiet.
And it's, it's really funny because my oldest is the same
way. You put her around a lot of
people for. And then she's like, I need, I
need my time. I do too.
(56:14):
Yeah. And that's, and that's OK.
And, you know, really for me, it's, it's along the lines of I
get it. You need to if you need that
time by yourself, you know. Take it.
How long did it take you to learn that it wasn't personal?
It took a minute. It took a minute because the
immediate thing is, Oh, you don't want to be with me.
(56:35):
It's like, no, it's you know that when I realized that
sometimes if she wants to go and, you know, listen to a
podcast on the back patio and it's like, don't follow me and
keep the dogs inside too. It's not me.
It's not, you know, it's I just need, I need this, I need this
hour or I need to. So, you know, I've really, I'll
(56:56):
go take a bath or I'll go do something.
But to completely let her have that time.
And I, I, I've never take offense to somebody saying I
need a little bit, yeah, I need a minute.
I think in the beginning in eachrelationship, or maybe I don't
know if you can relate before you understood it didn't have to
(57:18):
do with you. At least for me, I've been
cheating on a lot in relationships so when someone
wants to be alone my head goes to the worst spot.
Absolutely. I didn't I.
And look, I did in the beginningtoo, Kelly would tell me.
Stop that. Yeah.
I am not a cheater and I'm not going to cheat on you and I
don't want anybody else. I just need an hour not to talk
(57:38):
to anybody. And you're included in that
anybody. That's so good.
And and I'm like, oh, OK, so yeah, it, it definitely took a
while, you know, and and I was like, Oh my God, this is it.
She, she knows she's over it. And finally was like, get over
yourself. Yeah, I know that that's been
(57:58):
something for me, but I I'm trying to recognize it.
And even in the last relationship where it didn't
work out, it wasn't because of that.
Except the end of the day, she wanted to be around me just as
much as I wanted to be with her.But I could notice that, oh, I
need recharge. Oh, I need to shut the door and
just work alone. Those sort of moments would come
(58:19):
in and so I'm like, OK, when it's the right person, am I
going to be like, oh, I actuallydon't need a recharge, I want to
be around them all the time. Or will my recharge still stay?
You're always going to need how you are is how you should stay.
Yeah. You know, I mean, there is no,
there's no reason to change that.
That's your fundamental makeup. If you're one of those people
(58:41):
that needs that, great, you know, and I think it's to find
that person that is OK letting you, you know, go plug in and
and recharge yourself. Amy, imagine running a lesbian
dating platform and your partnerknowing you have a digital
rolodex of the hottest, most extraordinary lesbians in the
world. Which I do not would never do
(59:02):
anything to make my partner feeluncomfortable, but it's happened
in the past and it's been an issue.
So I'm hoping that next girl that comes into my life can
accept this is my career. Have you ever had because you've
been in entertainment just issues and relationships.
Like, I know you said you'd missyour sister's wedding, but
there's things that come up thatare just like.
(59:24):
Yeah, I mean, there, there were certainly, you know, the years
of and I've always had things that are just very public
facing, you know, in terms of ofwhat I I have done.
But, you know, I just I don't find that with Kelly.
But at the same time, I don't think I've ever done anything
(59:45):
with her that would make her ever question, you know, I mean,
I make it a point that she knowsI don't ever want anything other
than her. I don't need anything other than
her, you know, And I think that to your point about what you do.
I think that your person is going to be somebody that is
(01:00:07):
confident enough in themselves and in your relationship that
it's like, hey, babe, go be the lesbian tender.
You know, whatever it is, go, gobe that big.
Go make a company that big and, and get that valuation on that
company and, and do what you want to do with it.
And if you're not that person, then I mean, you know, I tell
(01:00:29):
you this is a, a friend. You don't want to be with them.
No, no, no. I'm tired enough, OK?
And, and, and honestly, I mean when it's the right person for
you, the Rolodex of all of theseextraordinary women exactly are
great. Let me find you your person.
Let me tell you, once they've been in the platform, once we've
(01:00:51):
had conversations, unless I'm doing a live call while I was in
partnership, I never went through my own platform.
I have a team that helps me withthat.
And I recently started looking inside and I'm like, hey,
where's my future wife? Like I'm ready.
But I never once, ever once would do that.
And it's just, that's something that was, I just, I never want
(01:01:13):
to have that feeling again of being like, oh, I need to like
reassure over and over and over and over.
But I also really love words of affirmation.
I do love word. I love to give it.
There is a difference between words of affirmation and words
of desperation. Yes, like words doesn't let me
like no, like no, I did not meetsomeone tonight on my coaching
(01:01:34):
goal. Thank you.
That that's that's silliness. And that is, you know, there
also has to be enough trust in you that that boundary is set to
where they're never going to cross it.
You know, I mean, I think that one thing is is very certain
(01:01:54):
about Kelly and I that I don't think there's anybody that
thinks that they can no penetrate that.
Exactly. Because you're not like you put
up energetic, like I'm so in love with my wife.
Yeah. Like that that that is.
And honestly, if someone has, ifsomeone would try across that
(01:02:15):
boundary, to me, that tells me one, you're not a true person.
And you have now shown, not justme disrespect.
You've shown my spouse disrespect.
We don't need to be in each other.
'S lives. Yep 100% and I've always felt
that way and I think. I'm not giving her a reason not
to trust me. Yes, never.
(01:02:36):
I I will stand by it when someone plants a seed of
insecurity in you and they do something that makes you feel
off solid ground in your relationship.
It could be subtle. It could be how they interact
with someone else, how they touch someone else, whatever it
is. But then it's hard because
certain people are like more Italian touchy, like, you know,
(01:02:57):
but if you know your partner, I mean, they do something
intentionally to make you insecure or you see things that
are inappropriate. I there's no room for it.
There's no room for it. But if that never happens and
then you have the insecurities just because it's like, Oh my
God, it's like this tango. It's ridiculous.
(01:03:17):
It's ridiculous on both sides. It is, it is.
And again, I think that, and I can say this, you know, I mean,
I just turned 50 a couple of weeks ago.
And I think I can say that you, you really do have to be at a
point, especially if you want tobe married, that you have to
want that. You have to, and you have to
(01:03:39):
protect it. You know, it's not enough just
to have a piece of paper that says I'm legally required to be
here. Yeah.
You have to want to protect whatthat relationship is and not
give one another reason to doubt.
What really sucks is we're really lucky to still be able to
(01:04:00):
get married right now as of January 25th or whatever record,
January 30th. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's do that paper some justice
and respect our partners. Yeah.
Holy moly. And cherish them.
I love how you cherish Kelly. Thank you for coming on the show
and sharing. Hey.
You know, I feel like this is just a normal conversation.
I know, we just have a mic. Here, Yeah.
You just put a microphone in between US and, you know, didn't
(01:04:23):
have any snacks. So I know if we had snacks so we
could, people would have hurt Chewy.
I know it's not an ASMR podcast.Maybe we could do that next
time. Like.
We'll try some southern food foryou guys.
Those things are OK. I know that there are some
people that just love those things and I'm like.
(01:04:44):
You don't listen to like the head massage ASMR.
Well, you have a wife who massage your head.
Sometimes I go to bed lonely. Yeah.
And after I say my prayers, I put on a head massage, ASMR and
like you hear the buyer and all.No.
Do you know the only thing of those ASMR things that I like
are the ones of people that get are at the chiropractors.
What's the only ones? The ones are they gonna get
their backs cracked? I think those.
You like to hear cracks? Yeah, it's a little backpack.
Yeah, there you go. That that is very satisfying.
(01:05:07):
Oh my God. That's it it.
It's like so painful. I'm like holding out, not
cracking my neck the whole episode.
Now I know it's what people want.
OK, OK. How do people follow you, Amy?
Well, my Instagram is Amy J Kane.
Kane, the Broadway Besties podcast is our other Instagram.
(01:05:28):
Our, you know, ask you. Yes, yes, I will put all of her
information in the show notes. You've got to go to the baptise.
Yo. Bespoke baptise Yes yes.
I am so excited. I'm gonna go check out the
website cuz last when we first met you were like showing me
you're like the website is gonnabe new.
So I'm so excited to go check out the website again.
(01:05:50):
And it's interesting how we met.We met just like being local
lesbians in the area. I know right?
It was so cool. And everybody kept saying, what
do you know, Sophia? And I'm like, no.
And I. And I heard the same thing.
Yeah. Do you know it was Amy Kane?
But Amy Jones Kane, whose last name is who and who took?
My maiden name was Jones. I took her last name.
(01:06:12):
Damn. Absolutely.
And you're the mask in this relationship, right?
We don't. You like all those labels we
don't define? Like no, because I like my
makeup and perfume and hair products as much as the next
girls. OK, you just have short hair.
Yeah, that's it. But I always have from TV days,
so, you know, just have sugar hair, but good hair.
(01:06:33):
If you're listening, you do havegood hair if you look, but your
wife has even better hair. Let's get it straight.
My wife's hairs it's like. Epic.
I'm really into redheads. I'm just going to get it out
there. But yeah, that's.
Well, and look, I'm sure at somepoint during this you're going
to throw up this picture of. Yes, yes, yeah.
They're so cute. Yes, so cute.
Yes, but but no, it really it had a lot to do with our
(01:06:56):
daughters that I wanted to make sure that the last name that I
would take would be their familyname.
I love that. Yeah, that's so sincere.
Yeah, it was a very deliberate choice.
Wow. It was like very humbling and
very, very sweet. Yeah.
It's beautiful, I think, and youguys can tell me, drop it in the
comments if you're over 45. I feel like you hate all of the
(01:07:18):
labels. We do.
But here's the thing. I laugh every time I have a
conversation with you and you like to describe somebody with a
label and I'm like, look, you know, you're like, she's in it.
And then I'm like, all right, send me a picture and you'll
send me a picture of I'm like, oh, she's a pretty blonde, like.
What can I my blonde your God? But this is what I this is the
(01:07:44):
issue I have. We inside of the platform have
to match people based on their type.
And sometimes people lean more feminine, more masculine.
Are they like an androgynous look?
So in order. I'm very I'm much more on the
androgynous. Side, you're very hybrid.
Yeah, I'm hybrid. That is, yes.
Perfect word, yes. Yes, in the middle I yes, for
(01:08:05):
those who. Accept BDE I'm you know, I just.
You do have a big Dick energy I do I.
Definitely have that and I'm totally good with that.
Yes, I love it. Look, it's a man's world out
there. You got to be able to have it to
to survive out there. Absolutely, absolutely.
And I'm going to throw up the picture of this beautiful,
beautiful couple. Thank you for letting me borrow
(01:08:27):
her, Kelly, and I hope that you have an amazing day.
Thanks for spending time with me.
Well. Thanks for wanting to have this
conversation. Hopefully, hopefully it is
insightful and makes a lot of your people follow that know
that there's always love to be found.
There is. And when you when you find the
right one, you're going to feel it.
(01:08:47):
That's what I got out of this. You're.
Going to feel it. OK guys, let's feel it.
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