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You know, if you have a type, I think it's OK to have a type,
but I think often you might misssomebody else who doesn't fit
into that category. But I think like coming back to
what you were saying about, you know, coming out and like,
what's expected of you and what's put on you, like growing
up and what society has. Like I could tell you like when
I was 21 when I came out, I fancied what I liked like in a
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man because I'd had that experience and that reading
magazines, chatting to my friends about it, like having
conversations, like sex and conversations, like every little
thing contributes to you reaching a sort of a type or
like an image of what you might be looking for at that point.
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Suffix. And allies, you're listening to
Queer Women Rising. That's women with an X.
Because we are inclusive here. When we hear the stories of
queer women who have gone beforeus, we see evidence that there's
nothing we can't do. And yes, we can too.
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It's time for you to level up inlife, in love, and step into
your most authentic, abundant reality.
You won't be the same after thisepisode.
It's your turn to let go of goodfor greatness.
Your best life is now. Let's rise.
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Let's. Rise.
Let's. Rise, let's rise let's.
Rise. Let's.
Rise. Let's rise.
Gay does not have to look a certain way.
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I say it all the time, but it's so true and I need to get it
through people's heads. Gay does not look a certain way.
Not for me, a femme lesbian, or this queer icon.
Hold on, I am fangirling becauseI finally get to have the Rosie
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Turner Daily on Queer Women Rising.
Today is going to be a great show because I've waited God
months to have Rosie on. OK, before we dive in, you
should know a little bit about Rosie if you already don't know
about her, which I would have noidea how you wouldn't because
she's literally I'm Ben and I'vebeen waiting to interview her
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for a long time. She's a creator, she's a
presenter, she's a producer, she's a comedian specializing in
online content creations for huge brands like BBC Sounds,
Nike, Red Bull, MTV, Gay Times, Netflix, Hinge, and more.
A true social media pro we can all learn from.
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She empowers women and the LGBTQcommunity to live confidently
and fearlessly in their everydaylife.
She's always telling her stories, always telling about
her past experiences. So if there are some feelings
that were icky that you don't have to feel, that you can work
around because she's already went through it, that is what
she's here to do to make the coming out process and living as
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a queer process so much easier for all of us.
So if you're a queer or an ally,you're going to love this
conversation. Let's dive in.
Hello, Rosie. I'm so grateful that my
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Instagram account is working. I don't know if it's telling
people that we're live. I have no idea what's going on,
but I hope that it's working. Can you hear me?
I can, I can. Thank you for coming on.
I know it's late where you live.It's like 6:00.
I've I've had, I've had a littlesnack.
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I'm good, I'm good to roll. I'm so glad that you're here.
Before we get started, what letter of the alphabet soup do
you identify with? Oh, I'm not able to hear you.
It cut up. I can't hear you now.
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And gay people are coming into the lab.
I'm excited. Let me know, yes.
Yeah, you know what, technology's failed us.
So I'm just getting rid of these.
They've gone, They've gone. And I am going to, I'm going to
say the queue. I'm going to say the queue.
I have a different relationship with it.
It's it's ever evolving and everchanging.
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So I feel like the queue for me is probably the best.
Round. I've liked the queue, that's why
I went with it for my brand withJust Talking Quit Women Rising
is it is so inclusive of everyone and it feels like this
safe place for you to figure outwhatever you are and maybe you
land on that being your thing forever.
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For me, coming out late in life,I think lesbian felt so
empowering to finally figure it out.
So I think we all go through different stages, but glad you
figured out yours. I know you're coming out journey
is different. When did you come out?
What age were you? I came out when I was 21.
I think it was either 21 or 22. It was when I graduated
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university, so I wanted to kind of tell.
I wanted to tell my friends and family like them, but I just
thought, you know, it's a big day and everything.
And so I just waited for a couple of days after that.
So yeah, I think I was 21. So did you just like know it and
keep it a secret all through university or something you
figured out at the end? No, I.
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I think in the last year of uni,I, I had a crush on, on a friend
and as, as we all do, we have a crush on a friend, don't we?
And then we're like, what is this?
What does it mean? And then I just sort of, I don't
know, I joined some like dating apps, I joined some stuff.
I was trying to figure it out like on the sly, on the side,
like, you know, didn't want to sort of say to everybody, this
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is who I am before I'd even realised it myself.
But I think it clicked into place quite easily, which I'm
very grateful for. I don't know, I'm quite, quite a
like self aware person and always have been.
So it didn't take me too long tokind of figure out what was
going on and what wasn't fitting.
So probably about like six months after that, I was like,
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right, I should probably probably start having
conversations and like being honest about what's going on.
Yeah. So as everyone can hear, you
have a different accent. Where are you from and what's
the climate around being queer there?
Because I'm from Louisiana, S inAmerica, and, you know, we're
not always completely accepted. So I'm curious, what did that
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have a role in it for you? Well, I'm I'm from England as
you, as you can tell, I live in London and have lived in London
for 10 years. So I literally moved to London
the week after I graduated and Iwent to uni or college as you
call it in the States, like up north in England.
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So I guess more of a sort of rural area and my family are
from like a different part of the UK.
So I think generally speaking, where I went to university, I
don't think it was obviously as open as London.
Like there wasn't a lot of, you know, gay spaces places, queer
kind of inclusive places. So I just don't think it was
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really on my radar to as an option or just something that
that was going on. And then as I moved to London, I
was sort of say, I was part timekind of living like in the
student accommodation where I was staying up north and then
like part time working in London.
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And I think that mix of like going back and forth from like a
really massive city to then somewhere that's more rural.
I just really realised that I, Iidentified more being down here
and being in London. And I think quite quickly I was
like able to meet people and be,you know, part of that.
But I mean, I came out as as bisexual when I first moved to
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London because I had previously dated, you know, guys and I was
still kind of trying to figure that out.
So I guess, you know, when I I said, you said earlier about the
how do you identify? It definitely has been like a
journey of of that, Yeah. I came up by two, I, I think it
was like the for some people, they truly are bisexual.
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But for me it was something thatlike, felt like it was safe to
just like gauge my family's response.
And then they could be like, well, wait, you could still
marry a man and not like have all hope lost, right?
So for some people, it's, it's such an authentic identity.
And for so many lesbians or queer people who truly don't
want to date men, it becomes something that becomes a safe
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space to just dip our toe in. So yeah.
Did your parents, like, no. Did the people around, you know,
when you told them, like, oh, daRosie, we've known this?
Or were they shocked? I think so.
I, I came out on the phone to mymum and my mum's, you know, one
of the closest people in my lifeand who knows me very well.
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And I think she was quite surprised.
But it it wasn't a I'm shocked and I'm unhappy about this for
you. It was more her having to
process her feelings about the fact that, you know, she was my
mother and she, she had no idea.And she she really wanted to
like have been part of that process.
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And she was worried that I was like, you know, hurting and
wanted to kind of help. My dad on the other hand, I
think he kind of knew and he wasa bit like, sure, like nothing
really fazes my dad. Do you know what I mean?
Like parents are very different,aren't they?
My mum was like heavily involvedemotionally, just thinking that
she was then having to go and announce it to the world and,
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you know, strategizing. And my dad was just like, get on
with with with it and whenever. I love it.
I love it. I think where where you are, do
parents just expect like a certain percentage of children
to come out gay? Because I think people haven't
truly accepted that in the Southyet here.
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I don't know. It's a hard one.
It's a hard one to say. I think, you know, this was like
what, 1010 years ago was something the, the climate
around it was definitely different in London, I would
say, and definitely different inthe UKI think I don't want to
generalize because everybody hasdifferent experiences based on
where they are in the world. But I would say that the UK is,
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is possibly more open, you know,where you guys are well,
particularly at the moment. But, you know, I know so many
people who, who haven't had thatexperience.
And I think it really depends onyour family and like their
upbringing and who they've been surrounded by.
And I think, you know, my, my parents have like had a lot of
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life experience and had to go through a lot of like
challenging situations. So like, I guess for them, you
know, something like this, even if it had bothered them, I think
that they were able to measure it on a scale of like, you know,
this really in the grand scheme of things, like isn't something
that we need to, you know, have thoughts and feelings and
emotions around. And they're, they're also not,
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they're not for religious people.
So there was a lot, there's a lot of factors, isn't there that
that goes into things. There is for sure, I think, and
that's where I've had to hold grace for my parents or other
people who come to me and they're like, Oh my gosh, I
think that, you know, my parentsaren't going to take it well.
And in the beginning, my my dad certainly didn't.
Now we're we're good, but I haveto remember like that is his
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religion that's made him believethat way.
And so like holding that space, Not easy, not easy.
Yeah, definitely. And I have friends, I have
really close friends like in America and Canada.
And you know, it's a, it's a similar sort of experience that
they've shared with me. And I think maybe again, don't
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want to generalise, but I do think possibly religion and like
that comes into more of the culture.
I would say like the difference between where we are in the
world. Now, now you're living your life
out and proud and happy. What is it like?
Are you currently dating anyone?Like is it something we can we
can dive into? You know what?
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I'm not, I'm not currently dating anyone.
You know, I've been, I've been asingle girlie for, for nearly,
yeah, for just over a year now. You know, stuff, stuff been
going down. I'm not gonna lie, Like you know
how it is in the world of being gay, but I wouldn't say that
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anythings stuck. I'm not currently like seeing
anyone though. I wish I had more gossips for
you. What is it?
I wish I had more gossip for you.
Oh no, it's OK. What what have you been learning
through being single? Has there been some, some things
ever come? Because there's so many women
watching and women who come intomy DMS and I have a lesbian
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dating platform, the Queer Country Club.
And they're like, oh, I don't know if I'm ready because I'm,
I'm going through like this single healing phase.
And so I don't know. I personally am like, you never
really do feel ready, you know, like there's never like this
moment, but maybe there is for you.
Like, at what point are you like, OK, I feel like I've
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gotten back to myself after thisrelationship before I could even
consider dating again. Like, what does that feel like
for you? And like, what are the the ways
your life looks when you know that's happening?
You're back to a healthy spot. Yeah, it was interesting what
you just said because it reminded me of something that I
saw on Instagram the other day. And I was telling a friend about
it and it was, you know, some days you can be healing, some
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days you can be feeling, some days you're surviving, and some
days you're thriving. And I really like that quote and
I resonate with it because I think sometimes it can be like a
mix of all four of them. And sometimes you can be in like
different eras. And I definitely recognise that
in myself. Like going through a breakup,
you know, at the start, it was definitely that kind of
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surviving period because you have to adjust, don't you have
to adjust to like a different daily routine?
And for me, like I, I started living on my own for the first
time ever. And that was, you know, a real,
a real shift and something that I had to kind of get used to.
I mean, I'm also an only child, so I'm quite good at spending
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time on my own. And I think I actually really
enjoy it. And now that's probably a bit of
a barrier to, like, starting a relationship because I enjoy
being, like, living on my own somuch.
And yeah, it's so good. But yeah.
And then I think there was definitely that period, isn't
there? Like the phase where you're kind
of like, oh, fuck it. Like, you know, I'm single.
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Like I'm just going to go out like party, like my friends
called it like my party party era because like every Friday
I'll be like, we're going to go out.
Yeah, we're going to go out, like just go crazy.
And I think that that's always abit of a reaction to maybe like
the type of relationship that you've had because I think
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people, people react differently, right?
You know, if you've been in a very extroverted relationship
with somebody where you have been on the go, maybe your way
of like coping with that and healing is, is to kind of spend
more time and like hibernate. But for me, like my, my ex was
like very introverted, which is,you know, part of the reason
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kind of why we didn't work together is because I, you know,
I just had so many different interests and I felt like our,
our world was kind of minimised quite a lot.
And, and for me, like, it was very much a time of like, let's
go out, let's, you know, experience this, let's do this,
let's, you know, have fun, let'sdo all those things.
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But I think the major thing thatI've learned is like to, to
trust your own instincts with things because, you know, for me
particularly, I don't think, youknow, not everybody has to
adhere to this. Like you, everyone can do
whatever they want and live the lifestyle that they want.
But for me, like I, you know, that my way of kind of getting
through that is like, right, that sort of chapter has been
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closed for me. And now we're moving into like
focusing on my career, focusing on, you know, I've just
recently, I'm currently still doing like a psychology and
coaching course, which is something that I've always
wanted to do. So it's like putting all of that
kind of stuff that's in your brain going round and putting
like the shots down, putting like the tickets to the night
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out down and being like, right, I'm going to get serious about
that. So it's just ways like that you
can make yourself feel good. And it's totally fine to to not
do that at that point. Because I couldn't have gone and
done like I couldn't have gone and focused and done a coaching
course like two months after a breakup of four years.
Like it just never would have worked.
So you've got to be really sick.Yeah, yeah.
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Then, like you said, it's different eras of your human
era. There are different seasons over
here. I love that.
OK, So like there is the reaction of wanting to go out.
And I think you're right. I never thought about it, but it
does. I can reflect back on every
relationship that I've been in and think, OK, if that person
was more introverted than whatever things ended, I was
just ready to get out there. Makes sense.
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Like, you're just like, tired, like of being held down
essentially. Yeah, that makes sense.
What is what you're looking for in your next partnership?
Like are there because if you experiencing being with an
opposite when you're so extroverted, are you like now I
really want to be with an extroverted person?
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Like, do you have like a personality trait that you're
looking for? Because that's one of the things
in Queer Country Club where it'slike we're not wanting to just
look at someone based on what they look like, but what are our
values and what we really align?Like, will our lifestyles align?
Will we agree on a life well lived?
That's what makes a good partnership.
So yeah, what does that look like for you?
Because this is your moment. Like the ladies will be sliding
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in the DMS. Like what are you looking for?
I always ask this, everyone's always like, what's your type?
And I'm like, oh, my type's really niche, I think.
And I don't know. No, this is the same space to be
nice, like outside, inside. Give it to me all, Rosie.
I don't. Know, OK, I mean, I, I have my
little mood board of like, you know, like my celebrities and
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stuff where people like, what's your type?
And then I can just flip throughbut I'm on my phone so I can't
do that. And I'm gonna say like like a
Natasha Lyonne, like Orange is the New Black because sort of an
old, an older lady who's like, who's very like aspirational,
but also like super fun. I like people who are are like
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really spontaneous and fun and like up for anything, but not
like unhinged and like, you knowwhat I mean?
Like someone, I can always say this, I'm like someone I can
like party with like on a Saturday night.
But then on the Sunday we'll go to like the garden center and
we'll buy seeds and we'll like pot some plants together.
So it's like a mix of both worlds.
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Guys, I love it. Someone you could garden with
and have cocktails with. Pretty much, yeah.
But also, you know, like, humouris a really big thing for me.
Everybody says that like, no onewants to be with someone who's
morose, do they? But, you know, like, someone who
makes me laugh. And I think what I've realised
as well is, you know, being in this space, I don't know how you
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find it as well, you know, because you're a content
creator, you know, my closest friendships with people.
Are, you know, my best friends and people I speak to the most
like they don't really use social media and I quite like
that. I like the fact that they're not
really on TikTok and they're notreally on Instagram and the
conversations and stuff. I don't have to, you know, be a
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certain version of myself. So it kind of appeals to me
maybe if I meet someone like in an organic way and they they're
not really like massively onlinebecause I like having a bit of
separation. I feel bad too, however I am
realizing it's so important thatmy partner like is OK with some
things because I literally have a relationship business to
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promote. Yeah, yeah.
So. There's like that, but I totally
get it. It's like the way I describe it
is I don't want to feel like I have to be on with you because
I'm on all the time in my work, like always going live, always
in the DM. It's just, it would be nice that
my my partner doesn't expect me to be on for her business as
(21:05):
well that yeah. Yeah, I think that's simple.
And I think having somebody who understands, you know, what you
do as a job and, and regardless,you know, whether you're a
doctor and you're, you know, dating someone who is a content
creator or whatever, like you need to kind of have an
understanding or a crossover of some sorts.
But I don't know, I think it's quite nice.
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I've, I've always tended tonightthe people I've sort of dated or
like had a thing with have always worked like in the same
industry, but kind of behind thescenes.
And my friend once said to me, like the analogy, have you heard
of like the gardener and the theflower analogy?
No, I haven't. So there's like, this is very
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massively stereotyping what relationships can be, but
generally speaking, you can havelike someone who's a gardener
who like doesn't want to be likemassively on show.
And then there's like the flowerwho's like a bit more
extroverted and like, so it's funny because I'm always like,
you can't have two flowers or else you just like, who's going
to look after the I don't know, maybe it's a terrible analogy,
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but. No, it actually makes total
sense. It really does.
For in my case, though, the gardener has to be able to
occasionally like, show themselves gardening in frame.
You know what? I mean, do you have, do you have
any novel what they called Oh myGod, it's gone out of my head.
(22:33):
Like things that you need in a relationship, deal Breakers.
Like do you have any deal? Breakers my non negotiables,
yes. OK so I respect everyone's
beliefs but because of what I went through with the religious
trauma, I think having someone who's also inner spiritual is so
important because I have maintained spirituality.
So I don't think I could be withan atheist even though I would
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respect them, I just think they wouldn't.
They would get really annoyed with me because I like pray out
loud and stuff. So there's that.
So I think yes, spiritual is nonnegotiable, don't really care
which way as long as they're very open hearted and having
someone who is willing to build a big life together and know
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like I am in a sacrifice season.So that's what's my non
negotiables. Yeah.
What about yours? What's your non negotiables?
I have 3 non negotiables but I wrote down when I was single I
was like absolutely have to. So my first one is that they
must dance with me if we're at aparty or a wedding.
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I want 90% of yeah, you don't have to me.
Go home, go home. I can't be on the sidelines
anymore. Like she needs to be like
moving. I literally got a tattoo done
like maybe 6, six months ago on my leg and it says let's dance.
That's how much I love to throw myself like into the mix.
And they have to be able to cookbecause in my last relationship
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my ex did not cook and for four years I made a meal every night.
And I just can't do it again. I just feel like we're at an age
now where you have to be able tomake something.
I can't cook, but Rosie, I wouldgo like pick up delivery for us,
like happy face, take care. But even something small, you
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know what I mean? Like even if it's just it
doesn't have to taste great, butlike, you know, just some, some
cooking. And my number 3 is that they
must be open to like hiking and like getting dirty outside.
Like just not not got fast. Yeah, I love it.
I once had a girlfriend who wouldn't go on walks with me
(24:43):
because she was like that much afraid of the sun, like damaging
her skin. And I am a skin care girlie.
OK. But like, ma'am, we can wear a
hat. You could put on a long sleeve
shirt. Like we gotta go on a walk.
Like, please, my God. Like wooden sweat.
Nothing. Yeah, not for me.
I need someone real. So no, I love it.
I love it. Another big one that I just
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thought about when I thought about the sweat is I just want
someone who's like super clean, like has good hygiene.
That's like such a big deal to me too.
Yes, Oh my God. Like, yeah, just like
remembering all the past relationships of like people
that I've been with being like, oh, like that big one they.
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Wouldn't like take a shower? No, just like, I don't know.
I'm, I don't know. I'm probably the worst person
for this because I actually am like this is going to sound like
I have a problem. This is, I've never spoken about
this before, but like, I just love, like, I love cleaning like
myself, not in like a weird way,not in like a like a cat, like,
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like, you know, I I will have a couple of showers a day, like
just a few more like, yeah. I can take a bath.
I'm like, we need to like soak the Kitty, we need to shave, we
need a lotion and I do it twice a day minimum.
If it's really hot here in the South and it's humid, I will
even do it in the middle of the.Day, yeah, yeah, not like long
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showers. We're not talking like, you
know, crazy amounts of like electricity or water, whatever.
Just something to feel refreshed.
But, and I'm also big on the hair as well.
Like I wash my hair a lot more than I probably should.
But I had to quit that after losing so much but I wish I
could. My mum's a hairdresser and she
always like tells me off for like washing it so much.
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But I think it's ingrained in meto like constantly look at it.
I don't know. Yeah, well, I love the like,
just desire to be clean. I I always felt even when I was
with men, I was like, oh, they have to be clean.
But then once I was with a woman, I'm like, dude, if you
want to have sexy time, like we need to have bath time, like
that is like, it's just it's important to me, OK.
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And some people were like, dude,like, don't you love like the
smell of a woman? I'm like, I do, but I love the
smell of a clean woman. Yeah, like I don't.
Yeah, it's a thing. It's a.
I'm so glad to know that this issomething that ladies think in
the UK too. I always think I have like a
major problem. And I know that I have some OCD
tendencies. I've never been diagnosed, but
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like as far as like checking things, counting things and then
also with my body, it's like it can be pretty rough sometimes.
And I think someone who I wasn'tOK with that like would feel
like I was just being nitpicky about them.
But it is something that like plagues me.
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I think with any of these things, like, you know, if
you're gonna be in a relationship with someone, like
they need to understand you. You need to understand the
quirks, you need to understand their quirks.
So yeah, I can think of a lot worse things than somebody
saying that they've showered twice.
Exactly no, I have had a girlfriend tell me that she's
had past partner in the in her past who told her that they
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didn't like the taste of her because she was too clean.
Like she didn't taste like anything because she was too
clean. And to that I say EW like what a
like then then toss them aside. Like if you want to like take
care of yourself. Make sense?
I can't. Yeah, I can't.
Wow. I don't.
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I don't think I could have that conversation.
No, I'd be like, then you've gotta go like this isn't gonna
work. I like a good bath.
OK, so another thing that comes up like being super feminine,
super like tidy. People probably look at you and
assume you're not a lesbian. It's just a thing, right?
I mean, you are wearing like thecutest little suspenders today.
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At least 5 minutes before I joined this, I was like, how can
I look? Like how can I give something
because I was in pajamas before?Because I yeah, it's like I
can't go on live in pajamas. Well, you're giving gay, but on
days when you're not giving gay,I mean, do people assume you're
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straight? What does that look like?
Because for me, people never would assume I'm gay.
Not where I live. Yeah, it's a, it's definitely a
thing. I constantly have to come out.
I came out this morning, actually came out this morning
to the doctor. Yeah, it was really, it was
really interesting. She was, we're having this
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conversation and I just said, oh, yeah.
And I was like, there's always that moment.
Isn't that where you have to kind of like pause and stuff?
Because she was talking to me about contraception.
She was talking to me about blah, blah, blah.
And I was like. Oh.
I just have to tell you something.
And she immediately was like, I'm sorry.
And I was like, no, don't be sorry.
I was like, don't be sorry aboutit.
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Like it's great. We're all having a good time
here. And but, but yeah, in terms of
like looking gay or looking queer looking, however your
sexuality is supposed to be, I think I got it a lot like when I
was employed full time, like being in an obvious environment,
having to kind of come out to like larger groups of people,
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specifically when I worked more in corporate as well.
And because I used to work in advertising, like had a brief
stint over the pandemic and thatwas a very straight environment
compared to production and media, which is what I also work
in. Because for people who who don't
know, I do do TikTok and I make content and I do that like 50%
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of the time. But I also like, I'm a producer
and I work, you know, for a production company and I work
in, you know, doing sheets. So I guess there's always that
moment of coming out, but it's alot easier in the industry that
you're in. And I really sympathise with
people who work in, in industries where that's more
challenging. Like one of my friends is a, is
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a doctor and like she always says, you know, like before she
like cut her hair and before she, you know, she always said
like a sort of maiden, like had the name badge with the rainbow
one and whatever. Like, nobody thought that she
was gay. So I guess there's like, yeah,
this. I don't know, it's a bit of a
journey, isn't it? I remember when I first came
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out, I was really paranoid that I would look too gay because I
wasn't like, super comfortable in my own sexuality.
So I, you know, continue to kindof wear things that were more, I
hate using the word like stereotypically straight, but
they're things that I wouldn't necessarily wear now because I
don't really resonate with that fashion sense.
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But I was wearing like tea dresses and like very feminine
things because I think a part ofme subconsciously was, was
scared to like show that on the outside that I, you know, was,
was queer. But I think as I started to
accept myself more than I started, you know, adding in
things that that felt more me like, you know, I, I, I know I'm
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wearing them today, but I have, I've worn these quite a lot and,
and like, I don't know, leather jackets and boots, like sort of
playing around with it a bit. And then you sort of get to a
point where you just, I don't know, for me anyway, just feel
more comfortable in myself. So I'm like, oh, today I don't
look that gay, but today I might.
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Depends if I'm trying to impresssomeone as well.
I love it, I love it. Do you have like a preference
towards women who are more feminine or more masculine or
androgynous? I, I like like someone who has
like a nice smile and like pretty eyes and I like someone
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who's got like a bit of Feist, like a bit of like, I guess more
what you described as like a tomboy personality.
But other than that, like not really.
I think if you lined up all the people that I've kind of had
something with like in a row, none of them really look the
same. And I wouldn't say that
personality is massively the same either.
Yeah, no, I can't say the same. I like, there's not one type.
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I think. I think that this is something
common that I've like. I think people could spit out,
Oh yeah, I'm in the fems or whatever.
But if they really sit with it, they'll say something like what
you said, where all of my partners have looked a little
bit different. And at the end of the day, I
think that as queer women, we connect, like you said, based
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off of like a connection, not just a look, which is, yeah.
And I think it goes so much deeper.
So yeah, I've had mask, a mask partner, and then other than
that had like Morphin, Powerfin partners, and I was equally
excited about all of them. And they all had different
personalities. So, yeah, I can't, can't nail it
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down. I don't know.
I, I think that it's cool to be open hearted, especially as a
woman who we've been so pushed by media to be a certain way.
And I choose to be feminine and like take care of my skin in
ways that straight women would, right.
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Like I choose to have a so hyperfeminine image, but that is a
conscious choice and I think it's really great as a woman to
have that awareness and then also say, but I'm so open to
dating someone, any type becauseI appreciate every look.
It's about so much more than that.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's OK. Like, you know, if you have a
type, I think it's OK to have a type.
But I think, yeah, often you might miss somebody else, like
who, who isn't who doesn't fit into that category.
But I think like coming back to what you were saying about, you
know, coming out and like what'sexpected of you and what's put
on you like growing up and what society has.
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Like, you know, I could, I couldtell you like when I was 21 when
I came out, like what I what I fancied or what I like, like in
a man because I'd had that experience and that, you know,
reading magazines, chatting to my friends about it, like having
conversations, like sex Ed conversations, like every little
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thing contributes to you reaching a sort of a type or
like an image of what you might be looking for at that point.
But if you haven't had that experience, like with women,
you're sort of going into it completely blind.
And I always think when, when women, you know, or when folks
come out, they, they always say like, oh God, I feel like a
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child, Like I feel like a teenager.
I don't know what I'm doing. And that is because technically
like you are starting at a levelof like a, a 1415 year old,
right? Because you haven't built up
that sort of knowledge, but likeyou haven't built up that that
thing of like, OK, I'm going to date women now.
I'm going to, you know, date female presenting folks.
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Like how do I do it? And what do I like?
And I think you have to go through that process.
It's like a process of elimination of like, OK, I'll go
on a date with so and so. Oh, I actually realised that,
you know, I don't know. I'd say I was going to say I
don't like. Just find them more of a friend.
No romantic attraction. Yeah, like, but everyone has
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nuances like that people do and don't do that turn you on or
turn you off, right. And you have to, you have to go
through that. So it's it's, I always find it
quite funny when people come outand they're immediately like,
I'm looking for this, like this is my tick list.
And I'm just like, OK, but maybego out and like see a couple of
people and see if that changes. And that's healthy, I think.
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I agree. I absolutely agree.
I felt like I was a teenage boy the first few years that I came
out. I didn't necessarily like sleep
with many people. I literally to this day slept
with four women since I've come out, but it has been a journey
where I had AI would think of sex addiction where like I just
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wanted to have sex all the time.Like there was no capacity for
like how much like there was no satisfaction level because I had
waited so long to finally have the kind of sex that I wanted to
have. So I definitely think that it
felt like being a teenager who hadn't like gone through puberty
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yet. Like you're just like so.
Excited it's like, you know, with the drinking and stuff,
isn't it like if you if if you've not drunk before and you
go to college or you're going touniversity, you're going mental
like crazy and people mix all sorts of spirits, make
themselves sick and then like goout the next day and do it all
again. Like it's part of the experience
of that. Whereas if you know, I'm, I'm
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absolutely not saying like I wasa square at university, but
like, you know, I was, I had like some drinks and stuff like
I was a bit more level headed with it.
And so I didn't feel the need necessarily to do that.
And so everyone like approaches like new experiences for in
different ways, don't they based.
On this experience, if it's new,you have no no idea how to
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manage it. So I love that late in life,
lesbians listen to this. And it's so funny because some
are in their 40s and 50s and they feel like they're like
living again as a teenager. It's crazy.
We've got a question that I thought might be good for you.
Harvey's of Newberry says I'm inlove with my best friend.
We used to see each other, but I'm too shy to tell her that I'm
in love. Oh my gosh, that's so hard.
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What would you say, Rosie? OK, OK.
I mean, I think you have to, youhave to like unpack that a bit
like, so OK, they're your friend.
I think it's tricky with people that you know, isn't it?
Because it's like, do you want to cross that line?
Like does this, does this personlike, can you not think of this
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person in any other capacity other than like a relationship
rather than platonic? And I think that's a question to
ask, like, are you willing to potentially risk that
relationship as well if it doesn't go the way that you want
it to? But also trying to understand
where that other person's at before you kind of make those
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moves. I think this is a question that
I get asked a lot online and like, if it was me at the age
that I am, if it was a friend, Ithink I would try and put the
feelers out a little bit. I don't think I'd go, you know,
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and write like a love letter straight away.
I'd be like, you know, maybe we should spend some one-on-one
time with each other, see whether.
Like suggest them coming over tolike watch a movie.
Or you mean like more casual like public things first and
then like ease your way up? Best friends then you're
obviously going to be spending quite a lot of time together
anyway, but I think I think there's like.
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How do I put it? I think there's just there's
ways to know when a friendship shifts from being a friendship
to being more of that. Like, I always think of my best
friend Iona, who I've known for years.
And, you know, we we've like previously laughed about
situations and I'm gone, oh, youknow, maybe it's just a friend
thing. And she always says to me, she's
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like, Can you imagine me and youdoing that?
And I'm like, no, you know, she's like, Can you imagine
like, you know, long prolonged eye contact between both of us
or like our hands just grazing like a split second too much?
And I was just like, oh, no, like, that's so weird.
So I think you have to put stuffinto context.
And it's like, if these things are happening, like it's not,
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it's not platonic, is it? No, exactly.
And like, like making jokes likethat could be a great way.
And also I, I don't even know where to tell you where to start
because you're do we, does your friend know that you're gay?
Like that would be a great placeto start.
Like does your friend even know that you're gay?
Because then put those schoolersout and like start making little
jokes. And then if the joke is not met
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with like, I guess like an absolute hard no, then you just
keep joking. I think as well, sometimes
people really need to be stuff to be like laid out on a plate,
like you can't read somebody else's mind.
And to to come back to another analogy, I love an analogy.
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Don't know if you can, but again, having a conversation
with my best friend about her mum every Christmas being upset
that the dad didn't know what handbag she wanted.
But she would every Christmas say I'd like a handbag for
Christmas with no other details.And then he would get her a
handbag and it would, it would never be the handbag that she
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wanted and she'd be upset on Christmas.
And and my friend said to her, you have to be more specific.
You have to, you know, think that that person isn't thinking
the way that you think. And so she was like, I'd like a
handbag that's black and has this function and is this size.
And lo and behold, the communication just worked.
And then she got what she wanted.
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And I think when you're talking to somebody, it might seem like
you're spelling something out, but often you're not because the
way of things going on in your brain, it's just there's so many
like filters, isn't there? Like you're filtering what
you're saying through your values, you're filtering it
through your life's experience, you're filtering it through
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what's happened that day, like everything is going on.
And so the actual likelihood that what you say coming out of
your mouth and the other person interpreting it in the exact way
that you want it to be interpreted is like 10%.
Yeah. I have to be a bit more specific
about these things. So OK, this would be my my
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revised answer. Put fillers out and I if you
don't get complete rejection at that point, you you come up with
a way to lay it out that's so polite, so kind, and makes them
feel no pressure. Like I don't want to mess up our
friendship but I I couldn't go another day without getting this
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off my chest. 100% And I think you can say like, you know, I
absolutely love spending time with you and I was just
wondering how you feel about this, Like no pressure, but I'd
love to know your thoughts. Yeah.
And then know that, you know, it's a 5050 shot.
Yeah, anything could happen. And you have to be willing to to
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take that risk. And like, I was talking about
this with one of my clients lastnight who just met someone on
Queer Country Club, and her name's Angie.
And she was saying, how, you know, people are telling me, oh,
you're talking about this girl like, you're going to marry her
right away. What happens if something goes
wrong? And she said, I've never like
when you know it. Someone's the one.
You just know. And she's like, it wouldn't
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matter to me because that's whatmakes life worth living, Like
your willingness to be a fool for love.
And I have an open heart again. And in that same way where she
was met, right? Like, she was met with the same
energy. And this person's like, oh, my
God, I met the one. I'm so happy that they met on my
platform. Makes my heart so happy with you
and your friend. In real life, you have to be
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willing to hold the pose for love, even if you do feel in the
moment that there's a chance youcould look foolish because it's
never foolish to put the truth out there.
Yeah, that's a good question. Loved it.
Last last last one. Rosie.
We got one from, I'm not sure how to say the name, but Jagriti
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Shujri. I'm not sure I end up liking
women older than me. They're wise and caring, but
it's tough to make it into a relationship.
They're twice my age with kids or partners or just issues with
their health or something. Guilty of this as well.
Give me advice, Rosie. Oh, OK.
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I think my main advice, well, I feel like not everybody who's, I
mean, I don't know how old this this person specifically is, but
not everybody, you know, is wrapped up in in kids.
Not everybody's wrapped up in, you know, a situation with a
previous partner. Not everyone is, you know, have
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health conditions or etcetera. Like the, I think there are,
there's certain circumstances where, where that does happen,
but I think it's, it's like, I hate to say it, but like with
dating and meeting people, like sometimes there's also a numbers
game. And sometimes you do have to
just like, keep going through situations and keep meeting
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people to find the person who's right for you.
And I don't think this person should give up.
Like, you know, I like an older woman.
Of course I like an older woman.You know, has that worked out
for me as as yet? Don't know.
I'm debatable. Same because it.
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Doesn't mean that I'm going to give up like my type because it
hasn't worked out for me, but italso might mean that, you know,
next week I might meet someone who's five years younger than me
and I absolutely fall in love with them.
And that's absolutely fine. So I think you just have to be
open about these things. And coming back to the last
question, be commutative. Like if something is not working
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for you or you want to find out someone's situation and before
you get too deep into something with someone, you have to do
that as well, as much as much asthat is awkward.
That makes so much sense. And just knowing that someone's
age is, is, is not anything thatyou should worry about as long
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as you're of legal age and your brain is fully developed.
If you have a connection with somebody and it's it's legal and
you're not, I mean, at a certainpoint you do have to think
about, OK, if they're like 30-40years older than you, at some
point you're going to be withoutyour partner.
I personally like that's just pushing it.
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But aside from that, it is, and I hate to say it as someone who
has a lesbian dating platform, it is a numbers game of how many
people are you going to connect with before you find your
partner. And the truth of the matter is
we're always going to get it wrong until we meet the right
person. So you can't give up.
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You can't give up on love, you can't give up on having that
hope. I look at my sisters all the
time and they have husbands thattreat them like gold and I'm
like I wish I would have met my partner at 19 years old and got
married too but it didn't work out that way.
But that doesn't mean that all hope is lost.
If you're looking for love, put yourself out there and try your
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best not to make assumptions about someone based on how they
look or their age or what not. But if there is a non negotiable
for you like someone who has young children and you don't
like participating in events foryoung children, then you know
But that's not going to be something that you align with so
that's OK. We just got one that says I'm
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confused with all the current terminology and the need to
categorize. I'm 33 K out 20 years ago and
recently not present on social media.
Send help I love it like OK all the labels help some people feel
more seen and then they also make some people feel irritated
and notice like older people like hate the labels and younger
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people seem to be thriving with them.
That's just my observation. I think just like someone says
what they are, just give it a quick Google search.
Yeah, the labels thing is reallyinteresting to me as well
because, yeah, I don't know, like, I think what you were
saying earlier, like when you first come out, like I totally,
totally resonated with like lesbian.
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Like I was like, let's let's usethat, let's roll with that.
And I was obviously in a relationship with a woman for
for four years. But previous to that, you know,
I was in a relationship with with a guy and I, you know,
classified myself as bi. But then when I came out with
that, I was like, OK, what does this make me now?
Because technically, like I havedated guys and I want to date
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women, but is there a part of methat wants to date a guy?
I don't know, Like all these things go through your head and
that's totally fine for that to happen.
But you know, when I put some posts out, because I do advice
posts, you know, someone was saying like, how did you know
whether you're gay or bi? And I was like, I don't think
you can truly predict the futureentirely.
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And at the moment, like, I want to date a woman, but that
doesn't mean that somebody mightnot come through the door and
do, I don't know, sweep me off my feet, whatever.
And I lost like a load of followers for it.
It was really interesting, Yeah.I hate that.
No, but I was like, you know what I don't need, I don't want
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the negativity like on the platform and I don't want like,
you know, for people to see those comments that that are
negative. Like it's just not a healthy way
for people to talk about their sexuality.
But I think, you know, coming back to the question that we get
so wrapped up in in labels and like putting something on
ourselves that for me personally, it doesn't work.
I know some people really, really resonate with it and
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that's great. And it's like a sense of
identity and that's totally lovely.
But I personally find for me as somebody who I'm realizing is
like a lot more open minded about what love looks like, what
relationships look like, and even the structure of like
within that, you know, it's likethere's a lot of options out
there. So don't feel like you need to
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like put something on yourself or like understand terminology.
Yeah. And also like there's new things
that are being shared every day and new ideas that make certain
things more inclusive every day.Like just better ideas.
The world's getting to be a better place, more inclusive
space. And because of that, terminology
changes or certain things are just more positive or hold a
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more negative connotation. So that's just an opportunity
for you to do some research and listen to follow some people who
are queer leaders, like women who are teaching on women, women
in gender studies. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you so much for being
here. Wait, one last question for you.
How do you feel about LGBTQI education in secondary schools?
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I I don't know what she means bysecondary schools.
Is that something that you guys have in like middle school?
A secondary school for us over here is I think like 11 years
old to 16 years old. So we don't have the middle
school. We have like the primary and
then secondary. I mean, I think it's important
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to include it. I don't think it should be
separate. I don't think it, I don't know
how it works. Like, you know, I'll be totally
honest, like I don't have kids myself and I don't we don't
really like have any kids in thefamily.
And so I don't not like massively involved in the
education system in the UK, but I, I do think it should be
integrated into like sex education 100%.
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I don't think it should be a separate thing though, because
like that is problematic in itself and you start to separate
out like it's this and then another option because that's a
problem. So if that's going on, like, I
don't know, I need, I need to also do my own research after
this life because I would like to know this.
But 100% like sex education needs to happen because, you
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know, it was like sexual health Awareness Week, I think 2 weeks
ago maybe. And you know, a lot of queer
people, a lot of you know, womenwho are engaging with other
women don't realise that like you still have to keep on top of
like your sexual health. You still have to like do STD
tests. You still have to have to like
engage in all of that. And I didn't know that until I
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was like 25, like in some somebody that I was working with
and saying to me about it because I had no idea, because I
just figured out I was like, youknow, I'm a woman, like, you
know, engaging with another woman, it's fine.
Everything's fine. Like, and nobody tells you this
stuff like because we don't havesex education.
And I would hope that, you know,that has that has changed?
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But, you know, I still think that there's room for more,
isn't it? Absolutely.
Oh my God, especially in Americaand I I don't like to get ever
political, but without being that way, Cooper says here, sex
education and consent education,What you shared the word use
integrative like it shouldn't bea separate thing.
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That is what I'd love to see. It doesn't mean that you're
promoting any sort of actions tokids, but if we're going to
educate on physical safety for your your body and to take care
of your body, then we need everyone to know how to take
care of their bodies and how to take care of other people's
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bodies. And knowing that it is important
to get tested between partners, no matter what your sexuality
is, it's just respect for yourself and respect for others.
Now, that's one of my sponsors, Wisp.
Like I've worked with them for years and I always insert their
commercials into the podcast. So at this point in this show,
you've probably heard a commercial from WISP, but I
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didn't think we'd be talking about sexual health.
But I, I love that question. I think it's so important.
And like you, I didn't understand what it meant for
women. I understood sexual health for
men. And I grew up really religious
where I was like, oh, I'm only going to have sex with my
husband, Don't have to worry about this thing.
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And then when I came out of the closet, I was with someone who
was in their 50s and tried to convince me.
And she was sleeping with multiple men at the time.
She tried to convince me that women could not contract any
things. It was just something to worry
about and I I knew better. Thank God that I had connections
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with these healthcare brands where I'd already gotten some
education. Cuz I surely didn't get it.
Homeschooled, right? Homeschooled with the religious
textbooks. So I, I was smart enough to say,
hey, no, actually like we shouldtake care of ourselves.
And hey, she ended up consentingto do a test.
And that's something that I do now with all of my partners.
So we can have awareness before any interaction.
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You've got to get tested. I got to get tested.
Someone says, oh, she was stripping.
But it's like, it's so people are like, oh, it's so unsexy,
isn't it, to have that conversation but like nobody
really talks about it. But I'd rather have like 5
minutes of an awkward conversation with somebody then
potentially something that is, you know, not great happening.
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Yeah, and you know, you can completely relax and trust your
partner once you've had that conversation.
So yeah, thank you so much for being here.
I definitely feel like we went places I didn't even realize
we'd go. I loved.
What happens, baby? It's like, I don't know, this
conversation with Rosie can go anywhere.
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If there are Single Ladies who would like to get in touch with
you, what is the best way for them to do that?
And beyond just the dating and like opportunity to meet you,
what would you like them to follow you for or what?
What service do you provide thatyou offer to people who follow
you? Yeah, I mean, like, I like to
keep it light. Like, you know, I like to, to
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dive into, you know, vulnerability and to dive into
all these big topics, but keeping it relatable and, and
having a bit of a laugh because like, you know, life is also,
you know, very serious, but alsocan be very light hearted at the
same time. And those two can coexist.
So I think that's, that's my vibe is like showing the the
nuances to life. And so if you are interested in
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that, then give me a follow. And yeah, you can, you can DM
me, you can comment, you can, I'm very much always on
Instagram. So yeah, open, open to the
chats. Awesome.
And what's your hand for everyone who's listening on the
podcast later? Where will they follow you?
And my handle is at Rosie Turnerdaily as in every day.
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Everyone thinks there's a doublebarreled name, but it does just
mean that I post every day. So yeah, I'm on TikTok, I'm on
Instagram and I will also exclusive be relaunching my own
podcast at the start of next year.
So there is going to be that going on as well.
So follow me for more updates. Oh my gosh, Do you do you have
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like the vibe of the podcast? Like what's going to be the
style or if it's OK if it's a secret?
Oh no. It's not, it's, it's tied in
with the coaching and the psychology course I'm doing.
So it's going to be, yeah, dating, like dating advice, love
advice, friendship advice, and yeah, support for for women in
the queer community and allies, everyone, really.
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I love it. I love it.
I always tell people I give highly unqualified baby lesbian
advice. You're like, coming from the
expert. I love it, yeah.
Simple. For anyone who's listened to
this and found me through Rosie,my name is Sophia Spellino.
I'm the founder of the Queer Country Club, which is a lesbian
dating platform for monogamous women who are ready to find
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their life partner. If that's you, go to
queercountryclub.com to get inside.
And if you have any questions that you just want to ask before
you join, I totally understand before you apply even you can
just drop me Adm on Instagram, have Sophia Spolino and I can't
wait to have you inside. Got lots of women that I'm
trying to match and help find their future wife.
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I hope you're next. Thank you, Rosie.
Thank you so much, it's been lovely to talk to you.
Lovely to talk to you, you have an amazing evening and stay gay.
Bye bye. As clear women, that's women
with an X. Because of course we are
inclusive here. As I was saying, as queer women,
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In fact, we have been conditioned by society to be
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impact the world, and only a waythat you can.
A business idea, a brand to build, a coaching program to
start, the art to create, the song to sing, the book to write.
That relationship you long to build.
But that little light inside your soul has often been blown
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You know, if you have a type, I think it's OK to have a type,
but I think often you might misssomebody else who doesn't fit
into that category. But I think like coming back to
what you were saying about, you know, coming out and like,
what's expected of you and what's put on you, like growing
up and what society has. Like I could tell you like when
I was 21 when I came out, I fancied what I liked like in a
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man because I'd had that experience and that reading
magazines, chatting to my friends about it, like having
conversations, like sex and conversations, like every little
thing contributes to you reaching a sort of a type or
like an image of what you might be looking for at that point.
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Suffix. And allies, you're listening to
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Because we are inclusive here. When we hear the stories of
queer women who have gone beforeus, we see evidence that there's
nothing we can't do. And yes, we can too.
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It's time for you to level up inlife, in love, and step into
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Gay does not have to look a certain way.
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I say it all the time, but it's so true and I need to get it
through people's heads. Gay does not look a certain way.
Not for me, a femme lesbian, or this queer icon.
Hold on, I am fangirling becauseI finally get to have the Rosie
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Turner Daily on Queer Women Rising.
Today is going to be a great show because I've waited God
months to have Rosie on. OK, before we dive in, you
should know a little bit about Rosie if you already don't know
about her, which I would have noidea how you wouldn't because
she's literally I'm Ben and I'vebeen waiting to interview her
(02:31):
for a long time. She's a creator, she's a
presenter, she's a producer, she's a comedian specializing in
online content creations for huge brands like BBC Sounds,
Nike, Red Bull, MTV, Gay Times, Netflix, Hinge, and more.
A true social media pro we can all learn from.
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She empowers women and the LGBTQcommunity to live confidently
and fearlessly in their everydaylife.
She's always telling her stories, always telling about
her past experiences. So if there are some feelings
that were icky that you don't have to feel, that you can work
around because she's already went through it, that is what
she's here to do to make the coming out process and living as
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a queer process so much easier for all of us.
So if you're a queer or an ally,you're going to love this
conversation. Let's dive in.
Hello, Rosie. I'm so grateful that my
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Instagram account is working. I don't know if it's telling
people that we're live. I have no idea what's going on,
but I hope that it's working. Can you hear me?
I can, I can. Thank you for coming on.
I know it's late where you live.It's like 6:00.
I've I've had, I've had a littlesnack.
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I'm good, I'm good to roll. I'm so glad that you're here.
Before we get started, what letter of the alphabet soup do
you identify with? Oh, I'm not able to hear you.
It cut up. I can't hear you now.
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And gay people are coming into the lab.
I'm excited. Let me know, yes.
Yeah, you know what, technology's failed us.
So I'm just getting rid of these.
They've gone, They've gone. And I am going to, I'm going to
say the queue. I'm going to say the queue.
I have a different relationship with it.
It's it's ever evolving and everchanging.
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So I feel like the queue for me is probably the best.
Round. I've liked the queue, that's why
I went with it for my brand withJust Talking Quit Women Rising
is it is so inclusive of everyone and it feels like this
safe place for you to figure outwhatever you are and maybe you
land on that being your thing forever.
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For me, coming out late in life,I think lesbian felt so
empowering to finally figure it out.
So I think we all go through different stages, but glad you
figured out yours. I know you're coming out journey
is different. When did you come out?
What age were you? I came out when I was 21.
I think it was either 21 or 22. It was when I graduated
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university, so I wanted to kind of tell.
I wanted to tell my friends and family like them, but I just
thought, you know, it's a big day and everything.
And so I just waited for a couple of days after that.
So yeah, I think I was 21. So did you just like know it and
keep it a secret all through university or something you
figured out at the end? No, I.
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I think in the last year of uni,I, I had a crush on, on a friend
and as, as we all do, we have a crush on a friend, don't we?
And then we're like, what is this?
What does it mean? And then I just sort of, I don't
know, I joined some like dating apps, I joined some stuff.
I was trying to figure it out like on the sly, on the side,
like, you know, didn't want to sort of say to everybody, this
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is who I am before I'd even realised it myself.
But I think it clicked into place quite easily, which I'm
very grateful for. I don't know, I'm quite, quite a
like self aware person and always have been.
So it didn't take me too long tokind of figure out what was
going on and what wasn't fitting.
So probably about like six months after that, I was like,
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right, I should probably probably start having
conversations and like being honest about what's going on.
Yeah. So as everyone can hear, you
have a different accent. Where are you from and what's
the climate around being queer there?
Because I'm from Louisiana, S inAmerica, and, you know, we're
not always completely accepted. So I'm curious, what did that
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have a role in it for you? Well, I'm I'm from England as
you, as you can tell, I live in London and have lived in London
for 10 years. So I literally moved to London
the week after I graduated and Iwent to uni or college as you
call it in the States, like up north in England.
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So I guess more of a sort of rural area and my family are
from like a different part of the UK.
So I think generally speaking, where I went to university, I
don't think it was obviously as open as London.
Like there wasn't a lot of, you know, gay spaces places, queer
kind of inclusive places. So I just don't think it was
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really on my radar to as an option or just something that
that was going on. And then as I moved to London, I
was sort of say, I was part timekind of living like in the
student accommodation where I was staying up north and then
like part time working in London.
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And I think that mix of like going back and forth from like a
really massive city to then somewhere that's more rural.
I just really realised that I, Iidentified more being down here
and being in London. And I think quite quickly I was
like able to meet people and be,you know, part of that.
But I mean, I came out as as bisexual when I first moved to
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London because I had previously dated, you know, guys and I was
still kind of trying to figure that out.
So I guess, you know, when I I said, you said earlier about the
how do you identify? It definitely has been like a
journey of of that, Yeah. I came up by two, I, I think it
was like the for some people, they truly are bisexual.
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But for me it was something thatlike, felt like it was safe to
just like gauge my family's response.
And then they could be like, well, wait, you could still
marry a man and not like have all hope lost, right?
So for some people, it's, it's such an authentic identity.
And for so many lesbians or queer people who truly don't
want to date men, it becomes something that becomes a safe
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space to just dip our toe in. So yeah.
Did your parents, like, no. Did the people around, you know,
when you told them, like, oh, daRosie, we've known this?
Or were they shocked? I think so.
I, I came out on the phone to mymum and my mum's, you know, one
of the closest people in my lifeand who knows me very well.
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And I think she was quite surprised.
But it it wasn't a I'm shocked and I'm unhappy about this for
you. It was more her having to
process her feelings about the fact that, you know, she was my
mother and she, she had no idea.And she she really wanted to
like have been part of that process.
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And she was worried that I was like, you know, hurting and
wanted to kind of help. My dad on the other hand, I
think he kind of knew and he wasa bit like, sure, like nothing
really fazes my dad. Do you know what I mean?
Like parents are very different,aren't they?
My mum was like heavily involvedemotionally, just thinking that
she was then having to go and announce it to the world and,
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you know, strategizing. And my dad was just like, get on
with with with it and whenever. I love it.
I love it. I think where where you are, do
parents just expect like a certain percentage of children
to come out gay? Because I think people haven't
truly accepted that in the Southyet here.
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I don't know. It's a hard one.
It's a hard one to say. I think, you know, this was like
what, 1010 years ago was something the, the climate
around it was definitely different in London, I would
say, and definitely different inthe UKI think I don't want to
generalize because everybody hasdifferent experiences based on
where they are in the world. But I would say that the UK is,
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is possibly more open, you know,where you guys are well,
particularly at the moment. But, you know, I know so many
people who, who haven't had thatexperience.
And I think it really depends onyour family and like their
upbringing and who they've been surrounded by.
And I think, you know, my, my parents have like had a lot of
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life experience and had to go through a lot of like
challenging situations. So like, I guess for them, you
know, something like this, even if it had bothered them, I think
that they were able to measure it on a scale of like, you know,
this really in the grand scheme of things, like isn't something
that we need to, you know, have thoughts and feelings and
emotions around. And they're, they're also not,
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they're not for religious people.
So there was a lot, there's a lot of factors, isn't there that
that goes into things. There is for sure, I think, and
that's where I've had to hold grace for my parents or other
people who come to me and they're like, Oh my gosh, I
think that, you know, my parentsaren't going to take it well.
And in the beginning, my my dad certainly didn't.
Now we're we're good, but I haveto remember like that is his
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religion that's made him believethat way.
And so like holding that space, Not easy, not easy.
Yeah, definitely. And I have friends, I have
really close friends like in America and Canada.
And you know, it's a, it's a similar sort of experience that
they've shared with me. And I think maybe again, don't
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want to generalise, but I do think possibly religion and like
that comes into more of the culture.
I would say like the difference between where we are in the
world. Now, now you're living your life
out and proud and happy. What is it like?
Are you currently dating anyone?Like is it something we can we
can dive into? You know what?
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I'm not, I'm not currently dating anyone.
You know, I've been, I've been asingle girlie for, for nearly,
yeah, for just over a year now. You know, stuff, stuff been
going down. I'm not gonna lie, Like you know
how it is in the world of being gay, but I wouldn't say that
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anythings stuck. I'm not currently like seeing
anyone though. I wish I had more gossips for
you. What is it?
I wish I had more gossip for you.
Oh no, it's OK. What what have you been learning
through being single? Has there been some, some things
ever come? Because there's so many women
watching and women who come intomy DMS and I have a lesbian
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dating platform, the Queer Country Club.
And they're like, oh, I don't know if I'm ready because I'm,
I'm going through like this single healing phase.
And so I don't know. I personally am like, you never
really do feel ready, you know, like there's never like this
moment, but maybe there is for you.
Like, at what point are you like, OK, I feel like I've
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gotten back to myself after thisrelationship before I could even
consider dating again. Like, what does that feel like
for you? And like, what are the the ways
your life looks when you know that's happening?
You're back to a healthy spot. Yeah, it was interesting what
you just said because it reminded me of something that I
saw on Instagram the other day. And I was telling a friend about
it and it was, you know, some days you can be healing, some
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days you can be feeling, some days you're surviving, and some
days you're thriving. And I really like that quote and
I resonate with it because I think sometimes it can be like a
mix of all four of them. And sometimes you can be in like
different eras. And I definitely recognise that
in myself. Like going through a breakup,
you know, at the start, it was definitely that kind of
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surviving period because you have to adjust, don't you have
to adjust to like a different daily routine?
And for me, like I, I started living on my own for the first
time ever. And that was, you know, a real,
a real shift and something that I had to kind of get used to.
I mean, I'm also an only child, so I'm quite good at spending
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time on my own. And I think I actually really
enjoy it. And now that's probably a bit of
a barrier to, like, starting a relationship because I enjoy
being, like, living on my own somuch.
And yeah, it's so good. But yeah.
And then I think there was definitely that period, isn't
there? Like the phase where you're kind
of like, oh, fuck it. Like, you know, I'm single.
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Like I'm just going to go out like party, like my friends
called it like my party party era because like every Friday
I'll be like, we're going to go out.
Yeah, we're going to go out, like just go crazy.
And I think that that's always abit of a reaction to maybe like
the type of relationship that you've had because I think
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people, people react differently, right?
You know, if you've been in a very extroverted relationship
with somebody where you have been on the go, maybe your way
of like coping with that and healing is, is to kind of spend
more time and like hibernate. But for me, like my, my ex was
like very introverted, which is,you know, part of the reason
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kind of why we didn't work together is because I, you know,
I just had so many different interests and I felt like our,
our world was kind of minimised quite a lot.
And, and for me, like, it was very much a time of like, let's
go out, let's, you know, experience this, let's do this,
let's, you know, have fun, let'sdo all those things.
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But I think the major thing thatI've learned is like to, to
trust your own instincts with things because, you know, for me
particularly, I don't think, youknow, not everybody has to
adhere to this. Like you, everyone can do
whatever they want and live the lifestyle that they want.
But for me, like I, you know, that my way of kind of getting
through that is like, right, that sort of chapter has been
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closed for me. And now we're moving into like
focusing on my career, focusing on, you know, I've just
recently, I'm currently still doing like a psychology and
coaching course, which is something that I've always
wanted to do. So it's like putting all of that
kind of stuff that's in your brain going round and putting
like the shots down, putting like the tickets to the night
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out down and being like, right, I'm going to get serious about
that. So it's just ways like that you
can make yourself feel good. And it's totally fine to to not
do that at that point. Because I couldn't have gone and
done like I couldn't have gone and focused and done a coaching
course like two months after a breakup of four years.
Like it just never would have worked.
So you've got to be really sick.Yeah, yeah.
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Then, like you said, it's different eras of your human
era. There are different seasons over
here. I love that.
OK, So like there is the reaction of wanting to go out.
And I think you're right. I never thought about it, but it
does. I can reflect back on every
relationship that I've been in and think, OK, if that person
was more introverted than whatever things ended, I was
just ready to get out there. Makes sense.
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Like, you're just like, tired, like of being held down
essentially. Yeah, that makes sense.
What is what you're looking for in your next partnership?
Like are there because if you experiencing being with an
opposite when you're so extroverted, are you like now I
really want to be with an extroverted person?
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Like, do you have like a personality trait that you're
looking for? Because that's one of the things
in Queer Country Club where it'slike we're not wanting to just
look at someone based on what they look like, but what are our
values and what we really align?Like, will our lifestyles align?
Will we agree on a life well lived?
That's what makes a good partnership.
So yeah, what does that look like for you?
Because this is your moment. Like the ladies will be sliding
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in the DMS. Like what are you looking for?
I always ask this, everyone's always like, what's your type?
And I'm like, oh, my type's really niche, I think.
And I don't know. No, this is the same space to be
nice, like outside, inside. Give it to me all, Rosie.
I don't. Know, OK, I mean, I, I have my
little mood board of like, you know, like my celebrities and
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stuff where people like, what's your type?
And then I can just flip throughbut I'm on my phone so I can't
do that. And I'm gonna say like like a
Natasha Lyonne, like Orange is the New Black because sort of an
old, an older lady who's like, who's very like aspirational,
but also like super fun. I like people who are are like
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really spontaneous and fun and like up for anything, but not
like unhinged and like, you knowwhat I mean?
Like someone, I can always say this, I'm like someone I can
like party with like on a Saturday night.
But then on the Sunday we'll go to like the garden center and
we'll buy seeds and we'll like pot some plants together.
So it's like a mix of both worlds.
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Guys, I love it. Someone you could garden with
and have cocktails with. Pretty much, yeah.
But also, you know, like, humouris a really big thing for me.
Everybody says that like, no onewants to be with someone who's
morose, do they? But, you know, like, someone who
makes me laugh. And I think what I've realised
as well is, you know, being in this space, I don't know how you
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find it as well, you know, because you're a content
creator, you know, my closest friendships with people.
Are, you know, my best friends and people I speak to the most
like they don't really use social media and I quite like
that. I like the fact that they're not
really on TikTok and they're notreally on Instagram and the
conversations and stuff. I don't have to, you know, be a
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certain version of myself. So it kind of appeals to me
maybe if I meet someone like in an organic way and they they're
not really like massively onlinebecause I like having a bit of
separation. I feel bad too, however I am
realizing it's so important thatmy partner like is OK with some
things because I literally have a relationship business to
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promote. Yeah, yeah.
So. There's like that, but I totally
get it. It's like the way I describe it
is I don't want to feel like I have to be on with you because
I'm on all the time in my work, like always going live, always
in the DM. It's just, it would be nice that
my my partner doesn't expect me to be on for her business as
(21:05):
well that yeah. Yeah, I think that's simple.
And I think having somebody who understands, you know, what you
do as a job and, and regardless,you know, whether you're a
doctor and you're, you know, dating someone who is a content
creator or whatever, like you need to kind of have an
understanding or a crossover of some sorts.
But I don't know, I think it's quite nice.
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I've, I've always tended tonightthe people I've sort of dated or
like had a thing with have always worked like in the same
industry, but kind of behind thescenes.
And my friend once said to me, like the analogy, have you heard
of like the gardener and the theflower analogy?
No, I haven't. So there's like, this is very
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massively stereotyping what relationships can be, but
generally speaking, you can havelike someone who's a gardener
who like doesn't want to be likemassively on show.
And then there's like the flowerwho's like a bit more
extroverted and like, so it's funny because I'm always like,
you can't have two flowers or else you just like, who's going
to look after the I don't know, maybe it's a terrible analogy,
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but. No, it actually makes total
sense. It really does.
For in my case, though, the gardener has to be able to
occasionally like, show themselves gardening in frame.
You know what? I mean, do you have, do you have
any novel what they called Oh myGod, it's gone out of my head.
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Like things that you need in a relationship, deal Breakers.
Like do you have any deal? Breakers my non negotiables,
yes. OK so I respect everyone's
beliefs but because of what I went through with the religious
trauma, I think having someone who's also inner spiritual is so
important because I have maintained spirituality.
So I don't think I could be withan atheist even though I would
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respect them, I just think they wouldn't.
They would get really annoyed with me because I like pray out
loud and stuff. So there's that.
So I think yes, spiritual is nonnegotiable, don't really care
which way as long as they're very open hearted and having
someone who is willing to build a big life together and know
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like I am in a sacrifice season.So that's what's my non
negotiables. Yeah.
What about yours? What's your non negotiables?
I have 3 non negotiables but I wrote down when I was single I
was like absolutely have to. So my first one is that they
must dance with me if we're at aparty or a wedding.
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I want 90% of yeah, you don't have to me.
Go home, go home. I can't be on the sidelines
anymore. Like she needs to be like
moving. I literally got a tattoo done
like maybe 6, six months ago on my leg and it says let's dance.
That's how much I love to throw myself like into the mix.
And they have to be able to cookbecause in my last relationship
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my ex did not cook and for four years I made a meal every night.
And I just can't do it again. I just feel like we're at an age
now where you have to be able tomake something.
I can't cook, but Rosie, I wouldgo like pick up delivery for us,
like happy face, take care. But even something small, you
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know what I mean? Like even if it's just it
doesn't have to taste great, butlike, you know, just some, some
cooking. And my number 3 is that they
must be open to like hiking and like getting dirty outside.
Like just not not got fast. Yeah, I love it.
I once had a girlfriend who wouldn't go on walks with me
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because she was like that much afraid of the sun, like damaging
her skin. And I am a skin care girlie.
OK. But like, ma'am, we can wear a
hat. You could put on a long sleeve
shirt. Like we gotta go on a walk.
Like, please, my God. Like wooden sweat.
Nothing. Yeah, not for me.
I need someone real. So no, I love it.
I love it. Another big one that I just
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thought about when I thought about the sweat is I just want
someone who's like super clean, like has good hygiene.
That's like such a big deal to me too.
Yes, Oh my God. Like, yeah, just like
remembering all the past relationships of like people
that I've been with being like, oh, like that big one they.
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Wouldn't like take a shower? No, just like, I don't know.
I'm, I don't know. I'm probably the worst person
for this because I actually am like this is going to sound like
I have a problem. This is, I've never spoken about
this before, but like, I just love, like, I love cleaning like
myself, not in like a weird way,not in like a like a cat, like,
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like, you know, I I will have a couple of showers a day, like
just a few more like, yeah. I can take a bath.
I'm like, we need to like soak the Kitty, we need to shave, we
need a lotion and I do it twice a day minimum.
If it's really hot here in the South and it's humid, I will
even do it in the middle of the.Day, yeah, yeah, not like long
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showers. We're not talking like, you
know, crazy amounts of like electricity or water, whatever.
Just something to feel refreshed.
But, and I'm also big on the hair as well.
Like I wash my hair a lot more than I probably should.
But I had to quit that after losing so much but I wish I
could. My mum's a hairdresser and she
always like tells me off for like washing it so much.
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But I think it's ingrained in meto like constantly look at it.
I don't know. Yeah, well, I love the like,
just desire to be clean. I I always felt even when I was
with men, I was like, oh, they have to be clean.
But then once I was with a woman, I'm like, dude, if you
want to have sexy time, like we need to have bath time, like
that is like, it's just it's important to me, OK.
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And some people were like, dude,like, don't you love like the
smell of a woman? I'm like, I do, but I love the
smell of a clean woman. Yeah, like I don't.
Yeah, it's a thing. It's a.
I'm so glad to know that this issomething that ladies think in
the UK too. I always think I have like a
major problem. And I know that I have some OCD
tendencies. I've never been diagnosed, but
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like as far as like checking things, counting things and then
also with my body, it's like it can be pretty rough sometimes.
And I think someone who I wasn'tOK with that like would feel
like I was just being nitpicky about them.
But it is something that like plagues me.
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I think with any of these things, like, you know, if
you're gonna be in a relationship with someone, like
they need to understand you. You need to understand the
quirks, you need to understand their quirks.
So yeah, I can think of a lot worse things than somebody
saying that they've showered twice.
Exactly no, I have had a girlfriend tell me that she's
had past partner in the in her past who told her that they
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didn't like the taste of her because she was too clean.
Like she didn't taste like anything because she was too
clean. And to that I say EW like what a
like then then toss them aside. Like if you want to like take
care of yourself. Make sense?
I can't. Yeah, I can't.
Wow. I don't.
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I don't think I could have that conversation.
No, I'd be like, then you've gotta go like this isn't gonna
work. I like a good bath.
OK, so another thing that comes up like being super feminine,
super like tidy. People probably look at you and
assume you're not a lesbian. It's just a thing, right?
I mean, you are wearing like thecutest little suspenders today.
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At least 5 minutes before I joined this, I was like, how can
I look? Like how can I give something
because I was in pajamas before?Because I yeah, it's like I
can't go on live in pajamas. Well, you're giving gay, but on
days when you're not giving gay,I mean, do people assume you're
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straight? What does that look like?
Because for me, people never would assume I'm gay.
Not where I live. Yeah, it's a, it's definitely a
thing. I constantly have to come out.
I came out this morning, actually came out this morning
to the doctor. Yeah, it was really, it was
really interesting. She was, we're having this
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conversation and I just said, oh, yeah.
And I was like, there's always that moment.
Isn't that where you have to kind of like pause and stuff?
Because she was talking to me about contraception.
She was talking to me about blah, blah, blah.
And I was like. Oh.
I just have to tell you something.
And she immediately was like, I'm sorry.
And I was like, no, don't be sorry.
I was like, don't be sorry aboutit.
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Like it's great. We're all having a good time
here. And but, but yeah, in terms of
like looking gay or looking queer looking, however your
sexuality is supposed to be, I think I got it a lot like when I
was employed full time, like being in an obvious environment,
having to kind of come out to like larger groups of people,
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specifically when I worked more in corporate as well.
And because I used to work in advertising, like had a brief
stint over the pandemic and thatwas a very straight environment
compared to production and media, which is what I also work
in. Because for people who who don't
know, I do do TikTok and I make content and I do that like 50%
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of the time. But I also like, I'm a producer
and I work, you know, for a production company and I work
in, you know, doing sheets. So I guess there's always that
moment of coming out, but it's alot easier in the industry that
you're in. And I really sympathise with
people who work in, in industries where that's more
challenging. Like one of my friends is a, is
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a doctor and like she always says, you know, like before she
like cut her hair and before she, you know, she always said
like a sort of maiden, like had the name badge with the rainbow
one and whatever. Like, nobody thought that she
was gay. So I guess there's like, yeah,
this. I don't know, it's a bit of a
journey, isn't it? I remember when I first came
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out, I was really paranoid that I would look too gay because I
wasn't like, super comfortable in my own sexuality.
So I, you know, continue to kindof wear things that were more, I
hate using the word like stereotypically straight, but
they're things that I wouldn't necessarily wear now because I
don't really resonate with that fashion sense.
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But I was wearing like tea dresses and like very feminine
things because I think a part ofme subconsciously was, was
scared to like show that on the outside that I, you know, was,
was queer. But I think as I started to
accept myself more than I started, you know, adding in
things that that felt more me like, you know, I, I, I know I'm
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wearing them today, but I have, I've worn these quite a lot and,
and like, I don't know, leather jackets and boots, like sort of
playing around with it a bit. And then you sort of get to a
point where you just, I don't know, for me anyway, just feel
more comfortable in myself. So I'm like, oh, today I don't
look that gay, but today I might.
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Depends if I'm trying to impresssomeone as well.
I love it, I love it. Do you have like a preference
towards women who are more feminine or more masculine or
androgynous? I, I like like someone who has
like a nice smile and like pretty eyes and I like someone
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who's got like a bit of Feist, like a bit of like, I guess more
what you described as like a tomboy personality.
But other than that, like not really.
I think if you lined up all the people that I've kind of had
something with like in a row, none of them really look the
same. And I wouldn't say that
personality is massively the same either.
Yeah, no, I can't say the same. I like, there's not one type.
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I think. I think that this is something
common that I've like. I think people could spit out,
Oh yeah, I'm in the fems or whatever.
But if they really sit with it, they'll say something like what
you said, where all of my partners have looked a little
bit different. And at the end of the day, I
think that as queer women, we connect, like you said, based
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off of like a connection, not just a look, which is, yeah.
And I think it goes so much deeper.
So yeah, I've had mask, a mask partner, and then other than
that had like Morphin, Powerfin partners, and I was equally
excited about all of them. And they all had different
personalities. So, yeah, I can't, can't nail it
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down. I don't know.
I, I think that it's cool to be open hearted, especially as a
woman who we've been so pushed by media to be a certain way.
And I choose to be feminine and like take care of my skin in
ways that straight women would, right.
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Like I choose to have a so hyperfeminine image, but that is a
conscious choice and I think it's really great as a woman to
have that awareness and then also say, but I'm so open to
dating someone, any type becauseI appreciate every look.
It's about so much more than that.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's OK. Like, you know, if you have a
type, I think it's OK to have a type.
But I think, yeah, often you might miss somebody else, like
who, who isn't who doesn't fit into that category.
But I think like coming back to what you were saying about, you
know, coming out and like what'sexpected of you and what's put
on you like growing up and what society has.
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Like, you know, I could, I couldtell you like when I was 21 when
I came out, like what I what I fancied or what I like, like in
a man because I'd had that experience and that, you know,
reading magazines, chatting to my friends about it, like having
conversations, like sex Ed conversations, like every little
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thing contributes to you reaching a sort of a type or
like an image of what you might be looking for at that point.
But if you haven't had that experience, like with women,
you're sort of going into it completely blind.
And I always think when, when women, you know, or when folks
come out, they, they always say like, oh God, I feel like a
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child, Like I feel like a teenager.
I don't know what I'm doing. And that is because technically
like you are starting at a levelof like a, a 1415 year old,
right? Because you haven't built up
that sort of knowledge, but likeyou haven't built up that that
thing of like, OK, I'm going to date women now.
I'm going to, you know, date female presenting folks.
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Like how do I do it? And what do I like?
And I think you have to go through that process.
It's like a process of elimination of like, OK, I'll go
on a date with so and so. Oh, I actually realised that,
you know, I don't know. I'd say I was going to say I
don't like. Just find them more of a friend.
No romantic attraction. Yeah, like, but everyone has
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nuances like that people do and don't do that turn you on or
turn you off, right. And you have to, you have to go
through that. So it's it's, I always find it
quite funny when people come outand they're immediately like,
I'm looking for this, like this is my tick list.
And I'm just like, OK, but maybego out and like see a couple of
people and see if that changes. And that's healthy, I think.
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I agree. I absolutely agree.
I felt like I was a teenage boy the first few years that I came
out. I didn't necessarily like sleep
with many people. I literally to this day slept
with four women since I've come out, but it has been a journey
where I had AI would think of sex addiction where like I just
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wanted to have sex all the time.Like there was no capacity for
like how much like there was no satisfaction level because I had
waited so long to finally have the kind of sex that I wanted to
have. So I definitely think that it
felt like being a teenager who hadn't like gone through puberty
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yet. Like you're just like so.
Excited it's like, you know, with the drinking and stuff,
isn't it like if you if if you've not drunk before and you
go to college or you're going touniversity, you're going mental
like crazy and people mix all sorts of spirits, make
themselves sick and then like goout the next day and do it all
again. Like it's part of the experience
of that. Whereas if you know, I'm, I'm
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absolutely not saying like I wasa square at university, but
like, you know, I was, I had like some drinks and stuff like
I was a bit more level headed with it.
And so I didn't feel the need necessarily to do that.
And so everyone like approaches like new experiences for in
different ways, don't they based.
On this experience, if it's new,you have no no idea how to
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manage it. So I love that late in life,
lesbians listen to this. And it's so funny because some
are in their 40s and 50s and they feel like they're like
living again as a teenager. It's crazy.
We've got a question that I thought might be good for you.
Harvey's of Newberry says I'm inlove with my best friend.
We used to see each other, but I'm too shy to tell her that I'm
in love. Oh my gosh, that's so hard.
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What would you say, Rosie? OK, OK.
I mean, I think you have to, youhave to like unpack that a bit
like, so OK, they're your friend.
I think it's tricky with people that you know, isn't it?
Because it's like, do you want to cross that line?
Like does this, does this personlike, can you not think of this
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person in any other capacity other than like a relationship
rather than platonic? And I think that's a question to
ask, like, are you willing to potentially risk that
relationship as well if it doesn't go the way that you want
it to? But also trying to understand
where that other person's at before you kind of make those
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moves. I think this is a question that
I get asked a lot online and like, if it was me at the age
that I am, if it was a friend, Ithink I would try and put the
feelers out a little bit. I don't think I'd go, you know,
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and write like a love letter straight away.
I'd be like, you know, maybe we should spend some one-on-one
time with each other, see whether.
Like suggest them coming over tolike watch a movie.
Or you mean like more casual like public things first and
then like ease your way up? Best friends then you're
obviously going to be spending quite a lot of time together
anyway, but I think I think there's like.
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How do I put it? I think there's just there's
ways to know when a friendship shifts from being a friendship
to being more of that. Like, I always think of my best
friend Iona, who I've known for years.
And, you know, we we've like previously laughed about
situations and I'm gone, oh, youknow, maybe it's just a friend
thing. And she always says to me, she's
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like, Can you imagine me and youdoing that?
And I'm like, no, you know, she's like, Can you imagine
like, you know, long prolonged eye contact between both of us
or like our hands just grazing like a split second too much?
And I was just like, oh, no, like, that's so weird.
So I think you have to put stuffinto context.
And it's like, if these things are happening, like it's not,
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it's not platonic, is it? No, exactly.
And like, like making jokes likethat could be a great way.
And also I, I don't even know where to tell you where to start
because you're do we, does your friend know that you're gay?
Like that would be a great placeto start.
Like does your friend even know that you're gay?
Because then put those schoolersout and like start making little
jokes. And then if the joke is not met
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with like, I guess like an absolute hard no, then you just
keep joking. I think as well, sometimes
people really need to be stuff to be like laid out on a plate,
like you can't read somebody else's mind.
And to to come back to another analogy, I love an analogy.
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Don't know if you can, but again, having a conversation
with my best friend about her mum every Christmas being upset
that the dad didn't know what handbag she wanted.
But she would every Christmas say I'd like a handbag for
Christmas with no other details.And then he would get her a
handbag and it would, it would never be the handbag that she
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wanted and she'd be upset on Christmas.
And and my friend said to her, you have to be more specific.
You have to, you know, think that that person isn't thinking
the way that you think. And so she was like, I'd like a
handbag that's black and has this function and is this size.
And lo and behold, the communication just worked.
And then she got what she wanted.
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And I think when you're talking to somebody, it might seem like
you're spelling something out, but often you're not because the
way of things going on in your brain, it's just there's so many
like filters, isn't there? Like you're filtering what
you're saying through your values, you're filtering it
through your life's experience, you're filtering it through
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what's happened that day, like everything is going on.
And so the actual likelihood that what you say coming out of
your mouth and the other person interpreting it in the exact way
that you want it to be interpreted is like 10%.
Yeah. I have to be a bit more specific
about these things. So OK, this would be my my
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revised answer. Put fillers out and I if you
don't get complete rejection at that point, you you come up with
a way to lay it out that's so polite, so kind, and makes them
feel no pressure. Like I don't want to mess up our
friendship but I I couldn't go another day without getting this
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off my chest. 100% And I think you can say like, you know, I
absolutely love spending time with you and I was just
wondering how you feel about this, Like no pressure, but I'd
love to know your thoughts. Yeah.
And then know that, you know, it's a 5050 shot.
Yeah, anything could happen. And you have to be willing to to
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take that risk. And like, I was talking about
this with one of my clients lastnight who just met someone on
Queer Country Club, and her name's Angie.
And she was saying, how, you know, people are telling me, oh,
you're talking about this girl like, you're going to marry her
right away. What happens if something goes
wrong? And she said, I've never like
when you know it. Someone's the one.
You just know. And she's like, it wouldn't
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matter to me because that's whatmakes life worth living, Like
your willingness to be a fool for love.
And I have an open heart again. And in that same way where she
was met, right? Like, she was met with the same
energy. And this person's like, oh, my
God, I met the one. I'm so happy that they met on my
platform. Makes my heart so happy with you
and your friend. In real life, you have to be
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willing to hold the pose for love, even if you do feel in the
moment that there's a chance youcould look foolish because it's
never foolish to put the truth out there.
Yeah, that's a good question. Loved it.
Last last last one. Rosie.
We got one from, I'm not sure how to say the name, but Jagriti
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Shujri. I'm not sure I end up liking
women older than me. They're wise and caring, but
it's tough to make it into a relationship.
They're twice my age with kids or partners or just issues with
their health or something. Guilty of this as well.
Give me advice, Rosie. Oh, OK.
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I think my main advice, well, I feel like not everybody who's, I
mean, I don't know how old this this person specifically is, but
not everybody, you know, is wrapped up in in kids.
Not everybody's wrapped up in, you know, a situation with a
previous partner. Not everyone is, you know, have
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health conditions or etcetera. Like the, I think there are,
there's certain circumstances where, where that does happen,
but I think it's, it's like, I hate to say it, but like with
dating and meeting people, like sometimes there's also a numbers
game. And sometimes you do have to
just like, keep going through situations and keep meeting
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people to find the person who's right for you.
And I don't think this person should give up.
Like, you know, I like an older woman.
Of course I like an older woman.You know, has that worked out
for me as as yet? Don't know.
I'm debatable. Same because it.
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Doesn't mean that I'm going to give up like my type because it
hasn't worked out for me, but italso might mean that, you know,
next week I might meet someone who's five years younger than me
and I absolutely fall in love with them.
And that's absolutely fine. So I think you just have to be
open about these things. And coming back to the last
question, be commutative. Like if something is not working
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for you or you want to find out someone's situation and before
you get too deep into something with someone, you have to do
that as well, as much as much asthat is awkward.
That makes so much sense. And just knowing that someone's
age is, is, is not anything thatyou should worry about as long
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as you're of legal age and your brain is fully developed.
If you have a connection with somebody and it's it's legal and
you're not, I mean, at a certainpoint you do have to think
about, OK, if they're like 30-40years older than you, at some
point you're going to be withoutyour partner.
I personally like that's just pushing it.
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But aside from that, it is, and I hate to say it as someone who
has a lesbian dating platform, it is a numbers game of how many
people are you going to connect with before you find your
partner. And the truth of the matter is
we're always going to get it wrong until we meet the right
person. So you can't give up.
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You can't give up on love, you can't give up on having that
hope. I look at my sisters all the
time and they have husbands thattreat them like gold and I'm
like I wish I would have met my partner at 19 years old and got
married too but it didn't work out that way.
But that doesn't mean that all hope is lost.
If you're looking for love, put yourself out there and try your
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best not to make assumptions about someone based on how they
look or their age or what not. But if there is a non negotiable
for you like someone who has young children and you don't
like participating in events foryoung children, then you know
But that's not going to be something that you align with so
that's OK. We just got one that says I'm
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confused with all the current terminology and the need to
categorize. I'm 33 K out 20 years ago and
recently not present on social media.
Send help I love it like OK all the labels help some people feel
more seen and then they also make some people feel irritated
and notice like older people like hate the labels and younger
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people seem to be thriving with them.
That's just my observation. I think just like someone says
what they are, just give it a quick Google search.
Yeah, the labels thing is reallyinteresting to me as well
because, yeah, I don't know, like, I think what you were
saying earlier, like when you first come out, like I totally,
totally resonated with like lesbian.
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Like I was like, let's let's usethat, let's roll with that.
And I was obviously in a relationship with a woman for
for four years. But previous to that, you know,
I was in a relationship with with a guy and I, you know,
classified myself as bi. But then when I came out with
that, I was like, OK, what does this make me now?
Because technically, like I havedated guys and I want to date
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women, but is there a part of methat wants to date a guy?
I don't know, Like all these things go through your head and
that's totally fine for that to happen.
But you know, when I put some posts out, because I do advice
posts, you know, someone was saying like, how did you know
whether you're gay or bi? And I was like, I don't think
you can truly predict the futureentirely.
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And at the moment, like, I want to date a woman, but that
doesn't mean that somebody mightnot come through the door and
do, I don't know, sweep me off my feet, whatever.
And I lost like a load of followers for it.
It was really interesting, Yeah.I hate that.
No, but I was like, you know what I don't need, I don't want
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the negativity like on the platform and I don't want like,
you know, for people to see those comments that that are
negative. Like it's just not a healthy way
for people to talk about their sexuality.
But I think, you know, coming back to the question that we get
so wrapped up in in labels and like putting something on
ourselves that for me personally, it doesn't work.
I know some people really, really resonate with it and
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that's great. And it's like a sense of
identity and that's totally lovely.
But I personally find for me as somebody who I'm realizing is
like a lot more open minded about what love looks like, what
relationships look like, and even the structure of like
within that, you know, it's likethere's a lot of options out
there. So don't feel like you need to
(51:01):
like put something on yourself or like understand terminology.
Yeah. And also like there's new things
that are being shared every day and new ideas that make certain
things more inclusive every day.Like just better ideas.
The world's getting to be a better place, more inclusive
space. And because of that, terminology
changes or certain things are just more positive or hold a
(51:24):
more negative connotation. So that's just an opportunity
for you to do some research and listen to follow some people who
are queer leaders, like women who are teaching on women, women
in gender studies. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you so much for being
here. Wait, one last question for you.
How do you feel about LGBTQI education in secondary schools?
(51:48):
I I don't know what she means bysecondary schools.
Is that something that you guys have in like middle school?
A secondary school for us over here is I think like 11 years
old to 16 years old. So we don't have the middle
school. We have like the primary and
then secondary. I mean, I think it's important
(52:10):
to include it. I don't think it should be
separate. I don't think it, I don't know
how it works. Like, you know, I'll be totally
honest, like I don't have kids myself and I don't we don't
really like have any kids in thefamily.
And so I don't not like massively involved in the
education system in the UK, but I, I do think it should be
integrated into like sex education 100%.
(52:33):
I don't think it should be a separate thing though, because
like that is problematic in itself and you start to separate
out like it's this and then another option because that's a
problem. So if that's going on, like, I
don't know, I need, I need to also do my own research after
this life because I would like to know this.
But 100% like sex education needs to happen because, you
(52:57):
know, it was like sexual health Awareness Week, I think 2 weeks
ago maybe. And you know, a lot of queer
people, a lot of you know, womenwho are engaging with other
women don't realise that like you still have to keep on top of
like your sexual health. You still have to like do STD
tests. You still have to have to like
engage in all of that. And I didn't know that until I
(53:17):
was like 25, like in some somebody that I was working with
and saying to me about it because I had no idea, because I
just figured out I was like, youknow, I'm a woman, like, you
know, engaging with another woman, it's fine.
Everything's fine. Like, and nobody tells you this
stuff like because we don't havesex education.
And I would hope that, you know,that has that has changed?
(53:41):
But, you know, I still think that there's room for more,
isn't it? Absolutely.
Oh my God, especially in Americaand I I don't like to get ever
political, but without being that way, Cooper says here, sex
education and consent education,What you shared the word use
integrative like it shouldn't bea separate thing.
(54:02):
That is what I'd love to see. It doesn't mean that you're
promoting any sort of actions tokids, but if we're going to
educate on physical safety for your your body and to take care
of your body, then we need everyone to know how to take
care of their bodies and how to take care of other people's
(54:24):
bodies. And knowing that it is important
to get tested between partners, no matter what your sexuality
is, it's just respect for yourself and respect for others.
Now, that's one of my sponsors, Wisp.
Like I've worked with them for years and I always insert their
commercials into the podcast. So at this point in this show,
you've probably heard a commercial from WISP, but I
(54:45):
didn't think we'd be talking about sexual health.
But I, I love that question. I think it's so important.
And like you, I didn't understand what it meant for
women. I understood sexual health for
men. And I grew up really religious
where I was like, oh, I'm only going to have sex with my
husband, Don't have to worry about this thing.
(55:07):
And then when I came out of the closet, I was with someone who
was in their 50s and tried to convince me.
And she was sleeping with multiple men at the time.
She tried to convince me that women could not contract any
things. It was just something to worry
about and I I knew better. Thank God that I had connections
(55:29):
with these healthcare brands where I'd already gotten some
education. Cuz I surely didn't get it.
Homeschooled, right? Homeschooled with the religious
textbooks. So I, I was smart enough to say,
hey, no, actually like we shouldtake care of ourselves.
And hey, she ended up consentingto do a test.
And that's something that I do now with all of my partners.
So we can have awareness before any interaction.
(55:52):
You've got to get tested. I got to get tested.
Someone says, oh, she was stripping.
But it's like, it's so people are like, oh, it's so unsexy,
isn't it, to have that conversation but like nobody
really talks about it. But I'd rather have like 5
minutes of an awkward conversation with somebody then
potentially something that is, you know, not great happening.
(56:14):
Yeah, and you know, you can completely relax and trust your
partner once you've had that conversation.
So yeah, thank you so much for being here.
I definitely feel like we went places I didn't even realize
we'd go. I loved.
What happens, baby? It's like, I don't know, this
conversation with Rosie can go anywhere.
(56:37):
If there are Single Ladies who would like to get in touch with
you, what is the best way for them to do that?
And beyond just the dating and like opportunity to meet you,
what would you like them to follow you for or what?
What service do you provide thatyou offer to people who follow
you? Yeah, I mean, like, I like to
keep it light. Like, you know, I like to, to
(56:58):
dive into, you know, vulnerability and to dive into
all these big topics, but keeping it relatable and, and
having a bit of a laugh because like, you know, life is also,
you know, very serious, but alsocan be very light hearted at the
same time. And those two can coexist.
So I think that's, that's my vibe is like showing the the
nuances to life. And so if you are interested in
(57:20):
that, then give me a follow. And yeah, you can, you can DM
me, you can comment, you can, I'm very much always on
Instagram. So yeah, open, open to the
chats. Awesome.
And what's your hand for everyone who's listening on the
podcast later? Where will they follow you?
And my handle is at Rosie Turnerdaily as in every day.
(57:41):
Everyone thinks there's a doublebarreled name, but it does just
mean that I post every day. So yeah, I'm on TikTok, I'm on
Instagram and I will also exclusive be relaunching my own
podcast at the start of next year.
So there is going to be that going on as well.
So follow me for more updates. Oh my gosh, Do you do you have
(58:02):
like the vibe of the podcast? Like what's going to be the
style or if it's OK if it's a secret?
Oh no. It's not, it's, it's tied in
with the coaching and the psychology course I'm doing.
So it's going to be, yeah, dating, like dating advice, love
advice, friendship advice, and yeah, support for for women in
the queer community and allies, everyone, really.
(58:24):
I love it. I love it.
I always tell people I give highly unqualified baby lesbian
advice. You're like, coming from the
expert. I love it, yeah.
Simple. For anyone who's listened to
this and found me through Rosie,my name is Sophia Spellino.
I'm the founder of the Queer Country Club, which is a lesbian
dating platform for monogamous women who are ready to find
(58:46):
their life partner. If that's you, go to
queercountryclub.com to get inside.
And if you have any questions that you just want to ask before
you join, I totally understand before you apply even you can
just drop me Adm on Instagram, have Sophia Spolino and I can't
wait to have you inside. Got lots of women that I'm
trying to match and help find their future wife.
(59:08):
I hope you're next. Thank you, Rosie.
Thank you so much, it's been lovely to talk to you.
Lovely to talk to you, you have an amazing evening and stay gay.
Bye bye. As clear women, that's women
with an X. Because of course we are
inclusive here. As I was saying, as queer women,
(59:29):
we haven't always been lifted upor celebrated.
We have often felt left out and put down in places that
historically haven't welcomed us.
In fact, we have been conditioned by society to be
grateful for mere tolerance. My resilient LGBTQ Plus IA
community, I am talking to you. I'll bet you've recognized the
(59:53):
spark that God put in your heart, your unique calling to
impact the world, and only a waythat you can.
A business idea, a brand to build, a coaching program to
start, the art to create, the song to sing, the book to write.
That relationship you long to build.
But that little light inside your soul has often been blown
(01:00:15):
out by the people around you, leaving you conditioned to play
small and not step into your full potential.
You are not alone and it's nevertoo late to truly live your most
authentic dream life. I would know.
I came out late in life, nearly 30 a couple years ago after
(01:00:38):
being bullied for months inside a Country Club right outside of
my weights class. I was assaulted by a bigoted
woman who couldn't stand my queerness.
She physically pushed me. So I had a meeting with
management. I told them I didn't feel safe.
I brought forth evidence and guess what?
They did nothing. Sadly, this is normal.
(01:01:02):
But in order to create change, we have to be brave enough to be
the change ourselves. So I did a thing.
I started my own virtual CountryClub for queer women.
A safe place for us to create meaningful connections and grow.
So if you're looking for a love connection, networking
(01:01:22):
opportunities or coaching to live your best freedom life, you
want to apply to be a part of our incredible community of
purpose driven, passionate queerwomen.
Join Queer Women Rising, the online queer Country Club for
growth minded women ready to level up in life and love.
To apply, DM me the word Rising on Instagram at Sofia Spellino
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or chat me the word Rising on Sofia fiaspellino.com.
Now, beyond hosting Queer Women Rising, I am a personal brand
coach and social media strategist.
If you give me a moment to tell you about what I do, I can share
how I can help you, just like I've helped many clients before.
Get famous online and make more money.
(01:02:08):
If you're an exhausted coach or service provider ready to scale
your business for real or you'rejust getting started building
your dream brand from scratch. And if you're ready, I need to
build your own profitable personal brand.
I can show you how in six monthsor less.
But why should you take my word for it?
(01:02:28):
Well, I've spent over 10 years in the social media marketing
industry, amassing over 400,000 followers across platforms like
Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and YouTube as a well as hosting a
top charting podcast, building asuccessful service provider
business and coaching powerful women to build purpose driven,
(01:02:50):
profitable personal brands. Yeah, I have the social media
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the money you deserve because I want to help you build your
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My proven framework to build yourself a personal brand that
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the way it should. Just go to the link in the show
notes. Whether you're a novice at
creating or you're feeling stuckhitting a plateau in your
(01:03:37):
business that once had consistent revenue and need
guidance, support and coaching to get to your next level, I
invite you to book a strategy call to speak with either me or
my team to see if we'd be the right fit to work with each
other inside of the profitable personal brand 6 month coaching
program. Mind you, I am extremely
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selective and this coaching program is not for everyone and
I'm not afraid to say it. I am only taking on serious,
purpose, driven and committed queer women and allies inside of
my community. If that's you, book your free
strategy call. The link is in the show notes
and if you feel yourself come alive and love listening to
Queer Women Rising, please leaveme a five star rating with a
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be sure to share the show with apowerful woman you know.
And remember, when you're calledto do something greater in life,
love or business, you will be uncomfortable until you move.
So get up and go get what you want.
Let's rise, Let's rise, let's rise.
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