May 6, 2025 • 32 mins
The papal conclave beginning May 7th faces various threats including political influences and spiritual challenges, requiring worldwide prayer for the 124 cardinal electors during this sacred process.
• Catholics can "adopt" a cardinal to pray for through adoptacardinal.org
• Vatican preparations include three white cassocks in different sizes for the new Pope.
• The Cardinals and any staff took an oath of secrecy for the conclave proceedings.
• A previous participant described feeling the "palpable presence of the Holy Spirit" during the conclave.
• Speculation centers on Asian candidates like Cardinal Tagle from the Philippines.
• The next pope may choose the name Paul VII or John XXIV rather than Francis II.
• The conclave may last 2-3 days, likely concluding by Friday or Saturday. Although Deacon Mike firmly believes it will be faster.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's Question of Faith.
Are there threats to the papalconclave?
Hey everybody, this is Questionof Faith.
I am Deacon Mike Hayes.
I am the Director of YoungAdult Ministry here in the
Diocese of Cleveland and I'm FrDamian Ferencz, the Vicar for
Evangelization.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And I'm Christy Kavaniss, Director for
Missionary Discipleship.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Woo-hoo, Christy's back.
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thanks, you know I for having me she's back.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks, I said to Father Damien the other day.
I said you know we've beentalking about the conclave for a
little while here, for a coupleepisodes, I said, but we
haven't had a woman'sperspective yet.
So welcome Christy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, thanks, I don't know what perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I bring.
So are there threats to thepapal conclave?
I've been reading a lot,obviously, about all of these
things and obviously there areright.
I mean, every conclave, notjust this one, has had sort of
threats, whether those arepolitical threats, people trying
to influence during this sortof interregnum period, Spiritual
threats.
I sent you that thing fromMonsignor Rossetti yesterday.
(00:57):
Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So, if you're not aware, monsignor Rossetti is a
clinical psychologist.
He used to work at the StLuke's Institute, which is a
place where priests go when theyneed some help, maybe with
drinking or hoarding orrelationship things, and he also
eventually became a trainedexorcist.
So he has a little web presenceand I from time to time see
(01:20):
some of his things.
And he mentioned he was tryingto answer the question are there
threats?
So you know everybody's askingall sorts of questions and I
guess we're asking that too.
So certainly there are threatsthat could happen to the
conclave.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, exactly, and that's why we pray for the
cardinals, right?
Yeah, so I saw a website theother day my friend sent me to
called Adopt a Cardinal.
I don't know if you've seenthis yet.
No, so it's in German.
You have to have it.
You know you have to use alittle translate button, but
when you go on there, you justput your email address in.
We'll put this in the shownotes.
Just put your email address inthere and then they send you a
cardinal to pray for.
(01:54):
So guess who I got?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Who did you get?
Is it an American?
No, it is not.
Oh, okay, oh, pete Zavala, thenCorrect.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's such a great name for a cardinal.
It is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Exactly so.
If he gets elected, it'sbecause I prayed.
You're welcome, your Holiness.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh right, Well, also I saw on one of the Facebook
pages I follow with catecheticalleaders, somebody had created
like baseball trading cards forall the cardinals.
Like we did at our ballparkmass, yeah, when they were
ordained and then when they wereelevated, and then where the
archbishop of, or what theirpost is, and then their picture
and everything.
So the kids could pray for thecardinals as well, which I
(02:32):
thought was really cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It is very cool.
I follow a guy on Instagramcalled Catholic Traveler and he
just posted things from theVatican News where they put
pictures up of the three newwhite cassocks.
There's a tall one, a mediumone, a short one, then three
surpluses, so just getting readyfor this thing, and they built
(02:54):
the new floor in the SistineChapel, so everything's on the
same level.
And people just took an oath ofsecrecy today, not just the
cardinals, but the lay folks andeverybody who's helping around
the elevator operators and thecooks.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's exciting and terrifying both.
Yeah, exactly For sure, when Isaw those I'm like, oh my gosh,
if I was a cardinal in there.
You look at it like somebody'slife is going to change.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
In to change in a profound way.
I just read this morning that Ididn't know that this was the
case.
Is that one of the rulings isthat the cardinals all have to
cease their duties, effectiveimmediately from the moment that
the pope dies.
Because of the sake that wedon't know who the Holy Spirit
will move the cardinals to votefor, to put into the seat as the
next you know what is it?
The successor to Peter and that, so, then, that their posts can
(03:51):
start to figure out what thatwill look like if they were not
there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, and it makes sense because it makes it easier
for the new guy coming in tosay this is who I want.
So Fernandez, the one cardinal.
Someone referred to him as theformer moral theologian because
he lost his title, as dideverybody else, when the seat is
vacant, so that you can pick itup right again if the pope
wants, or he can appointsomebody new.
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense,yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, there's a lot that goes on, you know, and,
like you know, we were talkingabout like are there threats to
this?
You know, the thing that I'malways thinking about, too, is
like to this.
You know, the thing that I'malways thinking about, too, is
like, okay, all these guys gettogether, they lock them in a
room and do they feel thepressure, like if, okay, we're
at four ballots and we haven'tgotten anybody yet and the
people are clamoring for thisand we can almost feel that,
(04:38):
even though we're all lockedaway and so a couple cardinals
have said that this week theysaid in former conclaves were
like, okay, come on, guys, we'vegot to elect somebody because
the people are waiting.
And somebody else said I don'tknow what podcast this was on.
They said, well, god, I reallyhope that they don't do that.
I hope that it takes as long asit takes, and the Holy Spirit
(04:59):
should just work and they shouldjust keep going until they find
the person that they really arecalled to find.
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, I think an amazing story that our pastor
told this week.
We had our Mass for theRemembrance of Pope Francis On
Tuesday night.
He told the story there andthen he told it again on Sunday
to the whole congregationgathered.
And it was he was serving in aparish where someone was getting
(05:25):
married and it was the nephewof a cardinal.
So the cardinal came in and youknow you can't just let a
cardinal show up at the rectoryand let himself in.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's really inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So he was there with one of his friends and they
welcomed him in and they haddinner.
And when they were sittingaround for drinks his friend
asked the cardinal so can youtell us what happens at a
conclave?
Because it was not long afterPope Francis was elected.
And he said you know that we'reall sworn to secrecy and of
course I cannot tell you whathappened during the conclave,
but what I can tell you is thatI have never in all my life
(05:59):
experienced the palpablepresence of the Holy Spirit the
way that I did in that space.
And he said it was.
And he said he got, almost hegot emotional and he said he was
a strong, tough man and thatthe pastor was saying that this
cardinal was a strong, tough man.
He didn't seem the type to getyou know sort of weepy about it,
but built up with the emotionof.
(06:21):
And he said and even once thenFrancis was elected he said you
could see a physical change comeover his emotion of.
And he said and even once thenFrancis was elected, he said you
could see a physical changecome over his demeanor and that
each one of us, when we shookhis hand there wasn't a dry eye
in the house that we were alljust so honored to have this be
the choice and know fully thatthe Holy Spirit had had his
moment with us to make thishappen.
(06:42):
So I think that's alsosomething that we should be
praying for the movement of theHoly Spirit too.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and the docility of the cardinals to the
movement of the Holy Spirit,because the Holy Spirit always
shows up.
And that's where I think thethreat is, and it's not just
with the conclave, but anytimeyou're trying to do something
good for the church, the devil,as Pope Francis would remind us,
is trying to get in there andscrew things up.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, exactly and similar to your story.
I was reading Pope Francis'book Hope and one of the things
he said in there was he said so,they elect me, he goes.
And as the election is comingup, I went uh-oh, it's like okay
, it looks like it's headedtoward me and he goes.
(07:25):
And then when his friend saidto him, don't forget the poor,
he said this overwhelmingfeeling of calm came over him
and he said Francis of Assisi,pray for me.
Oh, wow.
And he took the name and he saidand then when he went into the
room of tears, he said he wasjust okay, you know, this is
what I'm going to do now.
Clearly, this is where the HolySpirit's leading us.
(07:47):
I know it, they know it, andnow you know.
And he even said like you know,there's all those reports about
him, like you know, sort ofeschewing the papal dress, which
he did.
But he said that, like with theshoes, they presented, the red
shoes and he said no, no, no.
He said I'll just wear my ownshoes.
I've got really flat feet andthese are orthopedic.
(08:08):
I don't want to fall on my facethe first day, you know, and you
know, he said I have had thispectoral cross since the first
day I was a bishop.
But he goes I'm carrying theprayers of all my people with
this.
I'm going to keep this cross,and you know, and he, I'm going
to keep this cross.
And he just didn't want any ofall the other accoutrements,
which I think is more about thevow of poverty that he's taken
(08:29):
as a Jesuit as well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You sent that clip to me today or last night, or I
saw it early this morning.
There was a woman influencer onInstagram who was talking about
that some of the things that,because he was a Jesuit and
because he took a vow of poverty, may not be for the next Pope.
I was thinking that too,because I read that the Holy
Father had like $100 to his name.
(08:52):
Yes to his name.
Yeah, but he wasn't a diocesanpriest, correct, so he didn't
get a paycheck.
So If you're part of a religiousorder, you really don't own
anything.
Like Cardinal Sean O'Malley isthe same way.
He lives now back with theCapuchins at 4121 Harewood Road
in DC at Capuchin College.
But for a diocesan priest likewe are responsible for, we get a
(09:14):
salary that's enough, but we'reresponsible for taking care of
ourselves into retirement.
So if we didn't have any moneywhen we died, it would be highly
irresponsible because you'd beputting that burden on the
church.
So I do think that's adistinction that's helpful, that
if a religious becomes the Pope, it's different than a diocesan
priest, because diocesanpriests do have to provide for
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themselves in a way that, likebuy my own car, my own car
insurance, and we do get moneyto do those sorts of things.
So, I don't think you wantsomeone who's wealthy but a
diocesan priest do have toprovide for themselves in ways
that religious priests or popesdon't.
Now I think when you're pope,you're taken care of, you're
(09:57):
doing okay.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I would hope so.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You've got everything you need.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But even the small things that he did along those
lines.
It's interesting.
I was thinking about this too.
I was like, has he sort ofchanged that now, though?
In some ways I think he wasreally moving us to see the pope
in a more humble fashion, ifyou would like.
Moving out of the papalapartments, so 200 people come
(10:21):
up here?
This is way too big for me.
Moving out of the papalapartments, so 200 people come
up here, this is way too big forme.
Is the next guy going to belooked down on if he takes the
papal apartment?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
From what I understand, the papal apartment
wasn't that big, but what hedesired was to live with other
people because he's a communityguy, he's a Jesuit.
And diocesan priests.
A lot of them are better offliving by themselves than living
in communities.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Do you resemble that remark, Father?
Sometimes, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So I do want to avoid the trap of now the bar is set
and everyone has to be this way,because part of that was him
being a religious.
I mean his love for the poor,simplicity, poverty as an
evangelical council.
I think all that's right, butpeople come from different
cultures and differentbackgrounds and I think we have
(11:08):
to be aware of that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, and some people need time alone and it might be
better to have a papalapartment where they can move on
.
The other thing, too, issecurity.
You know I think the pillarsaid this in their podcast
recently.
They said that one of thethings that we don't realize
about that move was that nowSanta Marta has to become, like
you know, the most secure hotelin the world.
You know.
And that cost all kinds of moneytoo and like all kinds of
(11:31):
things.
They had to move all kinds ofthings around and it was kind of
a problem and they said itwould be kind of a relief to the
papal staff if he moved back tothe papal apartments now in
some ways too, one of the thingsPope Francis did was he stopped
going to Castle Gandolfo.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
If you remember, the popes would go there during the
summertime because Rome isreally hot.
So this is out in the mountainsand a lot of Europeans will
take the month or Romans inparticular will take the month
of August off and they'll go outbecause it's so hot there.
That's when all the touristscome in.
So I wrote a piece not too longago saying that was one of the
(12:07):
things I thought was insolidarity with the poor.
But then someone said but forworkaholics it's good to take a
break too.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Do you know what I mean?
That's true, yeah.
If we're constantly working allthe time and the Pope died with
his boots on.
He did.
He was kind of a workaholic attimes.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I think he, but he also prayed for two hours
every day.
Yeah, right, I mean he had adeep relationship with the Lord.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But there are different styles and so I think
with each pope there's going tobe a different style and
different things that arenuanced, and I value
individualism.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right, you know in some ways Like it's like.
You know we're all individuals.
You know it's one of mystrengths finder things is
individualization.
If I could pronounce it, itwould be great.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That would be terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But you know, like treating each person as an
individual, you know, and weshould probably treat the Pope
as an individual, he has his owngifts and talents, and likes
and dislikes.
So, you know, let him be who heis.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's why we elected him.
After all, coming from SouthAmerica is not coming from
Germany, is not coming fromPoland and is not coming from
Italy.
So yeah, it'll be interestingto see if we get an Asian pope
or an African pope what thatwould bring to the office.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, that would be different.
Yeah, exactly A reminder thatWorld Youth Day will be in South
Korea 2027.
2027.
So it would be interesting ifCardinal Tagle or, oh, I'm not
remembering the cardinal fromSingapore who was all over
Instagram the other day.
But if one of them were elected, it would be an Asian pope at
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World Youth Day in an Asiancountry.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
There are several really good candidates from the
Asian countries that I thinkcould be easily elected as our
next Holy Father, so it would beinteresting to see.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I live currently with two Filipino priests across the
street.
They were telling me that theone that everyone knows is
Cardinal Tagle, who was at theNational Eucharistic Congress.
They said there's two otherstoo, so who knows?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, and my associate pastor is from the
Philippines, father Lito, and heknows Cardinal Tagle, he's been
with him many times?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I think he may have said that.
He said he has been with himmany, many times, but he said
that he's very.
He said first of all, he'sbrilliant.
Second of all, he's very, verykind.
And he said that.
He said I hope he's strongenough to be the Pope.
He said, you know, he said hesaid he doesn't let people walk
all over him, but he said hethinks that he takes everything
to heart, and so that would be.
(14:23):
You know, that might weighheavy on him in some ways.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He studied here in the States.
He's a Catholic U guy.
He's a Catholic U he's from CUA.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, studied under Avery Dulles and Joe Kamanchik
and a couple other folks.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, he talks about his timein the United States a lot,
which would be interesting.
So I mean that was one of thequestions I was going to ask who
would you not be surprised tosee elected?
Like you know, if somebody cameout onto the loge you would say
, oh yeah, that makes sense.
So Cardinal Tagli would be who?
(14:52):
I would say, for sure I wouldnot be surprised to see him Any
name that I've heard.
I guess I wouldn't be surprisedIf it was someone I never heard
of, then I'd be surprised.
That's very good, Father.
I'd say it that way.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So who would you be very surprised to see?
I think that where we are, withthe papacy and everything the
work that Pope Francis has done,I think that I would be
surprised to see a cardinal whois sort of made himself known as
very conservative.
I don't know that that'snecessarily the direction that
the church is going, and I don'tthink that that's what the
cardinals would—they want amiddle ground guy.
I think, but I—Mike you and Ihave talked about this before I
(15:36):
do think that they might belooking for somebody that can
manage and handle the stresses.
It's sort of—I've heard somethings said that like there
needs to be a Paul VI after JohnXXIII, that Pope Francis got
some things going and stirred upand that we need a pope that
can come in and actually likekind of do the finishing of like
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, put stuff into order, animplementer kind of person,
exactly exactly as opposed to avisionary, maybe.
Right, yeah, exactly.
So I don't think it'll be.
I would be surprised if it wassomebody very similar to Pope
Francis.
I think that's what I would saySure yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So Paolo Sorrentino, who wrote the Young Pope, have
you seen?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
that on HBO?
I have not seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's really good.
Jude Law plays the Pope.
The original had a very liberalpope replacing the Holy Father
because it was written aboutBenedict, but then, when Francis
came in, they wrote it withPius XIII.
Jude Law played an Americanpope.
He was 47 years old who came inand I loved his character.
(16:36):
There's great development.
I reviewed the series.
I don't think it'll be anAmerican.
I'll just say that I don'tthink it'll be an American.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'll just say that I don't think it'll be an American
.
Yeah, I was going in the samedirection.
I said I'd be very surprised ifit would be an American.
I would even say you know, withthe exception of one, I think I
wouldn't be too surprised ifCardinal Tobin came out from
Newark, who's been talked abouta lot, but anybody else.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think I would be surprised to see an American.
Yeah, there's some other guy Inever heard of, but I just heard
of him the other day and he wasa nuncio in peru and he's an
american that no one talkedabout.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I guess prevost his name, I think yeah, he was
seen going into cardinal burke'sapartment the other day
apparently so who knows whatthat means, but it means it
might be his friend.
That's's right.
That's what I said to someonetoo.
All right, Long conclave shortconclave Saturday oh wow.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I have a wedding on Saturday at like 1 o'clock at St
Stephen's and I told the couplewouldn't it be cool if?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
the first time you prayed.
The would be cool.
Yeah, what do you think longshort, I think medium.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think probably two or three days, I don't think
it'll take them too long.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So if it's Wednesday, you think by Friday or Saturday
, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yep, I think by Good Shepherd Sunday, which is a
Sunday.
Oh, that would be great, thatwould be perfect, that would be.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I'll say it'll be a very quick one.
I think it'll be two, threeballot stops.
Oh, so you think like by theend of the day, wednesday,
they'll have a ballot on yes,thursday, thursday, paul VII.
Yeah, I was going to say peoplename was my next question.
Yes, that is what I think it'seither Paul VII or John XXIV.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, I think it would be John XXIV Francis.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
II would be too obvious.
Yeah, that would be too obvious.
Yeah, that would be way tooobvious yeah.
And you don't want to be, likeyou know, a carbon copy of the
last guy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know Well, I've said this before about Paul VII
the conservatives didn't likehim because of what happened
with the liturgy, the liberalsdidn't like him because of
Humanae Vitae, and then when hepublished Evangelium Nuntiandi
in 1974-75, no one paidattention.
Which is why, francis, I meanwe try to revive.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
So many of those ideas and enjoy the gospel.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But yeah, we'll see.
I have no idea.
Like, what do we know anyway,absolutely.
I mean, it's fun, it's kind oflike guessing the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So when Benedict XVI was elected, I was with a friend
of mine, father Ron Franco.
Father Ron Franco and Iprobably at the time this is not
true today, but at the time weprobably agreed on the time of
day and maybe not much more.
And we're watching PopeBenedict get elected and then
they say that you know CardinalRatzinger.
(19:16):
And I said wow, ratzinger, okay.
And he says he goes wait, wait,what's the name, what's the
name?
And they go Benedict XVI.
He goes oh, that's the name Iwould have chosen.
And I said, wow, new pope, justgot so much better.
I was like, because it's notyou, that's funny, that's the
name.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I would have chosen.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
However, if it was Paul VII, that's the name I
would have chosen.
Now think, honor my Paulistfriends.
Probably right, and I have anaffinity for St Paul also.
So I think that would be– I'mhoping that he does take Paul
VII.
I think that would be good.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We were talking at lunch yesterday.
There's never been a Peter II.
Yeah, that's true.
And I guess when it happens,the world's supposed to end and
there's never been a Pope Josepheither.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh yeah, I would like that.
That's my favorite saint, stJoseph.
Yeah, yeah, never been to StJoseph.
Pope Joseph, rather Interesting.
Well, we'll find out soon,that's for sure.
I think too, the thing that Iwas thinking about the other day
is during the sort of quietperiod where they're all sitting
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inside waiting.
You know, all theseprognosticators on TV.
I'm thinking about this as aformer media person.
I'm like, wow, that's a lot oftime to fill.
They want to share aconglomerate.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know, I'm just thinking about.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Like you know, father Dave Dwyer is out there for
Sirius and Lena Rooley, you know, sitting around saying okay,
what can we talk?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
about now.
I mean, there's a lot of guysso I feel like you could do like
a bio history whatever aboutwhat they've written and you
know the work that they've done.
So, that could be interestingtoo.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And no shortage of other journalists and things
like that to interview.
Sure, yeah, We'll all shareeach other for a little while
you know.
So you can do CBS today andI'll do NBC.
I mean, you can see thesepeople doing all these things,
so it'll be fun, anyway.
So Papal Conclaves starts onMay 7th, which, by the way, is
my father's birthday.
By the way, here's another.
(21:09):
What was your dad's first name?
Mike, Same Mike, oh, mike.
Yeah, pope Michael has therebeen.
I don't think so.
That's a really good question.
I don't think so.
I can't recall one.
I don't think so.
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I don't think so I can't recall one.
I think there was a fake one,or isn't there an artist named?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Pope Michael, there is a fake one, you're right.
Yeah, so that's probably onereason I won't take that one.
The other thing, my friendVictor, who you both met at my
ordination he was the guy whodied like four days after
ordination.
My college friend, his family'sfrom the Philippines, so I said
, and the day of his death isThursday.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Which will be the day , yeah, the second day of the
conclave.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
So I said Victor, Mendoza is going to make sure
there's a Filipino cardinal fromheaven.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh, that would be awesome, so it'll be fun.
So, anyway, pray for thecardinals.
Adoptacardinalorg.
If you want to pray for aCardinal, they'll give you a
Cardinal's name, and so I've gotPierre Batista Pizzabella.
Yeah so it'll be good so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'll be praying for him.
I just want to say Catholics dohave the best outfits, whether
it's like liturgical stuff orCatholic school outfits.
We get that, I get that right.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think we 100% get pomp and circumstance so well.
So that's yeah, I think all ofthis, like the formality yeah,
it's awesome, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I have a nice cassock .
I don't wear it very often, butyou know, when you've got to
get formal you should be able toget formal.
It's not all the time, but Ijust want to say that because I
look and I'm like man, thoseguys look sharp, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I do sort of like the more grand liturgical things.
So like it was deaconordination this week, but
congratulations to deacon JeffStutzman in particular yeah,
congrats, deacon Jeff Stutzman.
In particular, who is one of ourown here in the diocese, who
works in the communicationsoffice and helps set up the
studio and things like that, aswell as his two classmates,
(23:06):
deacon Dale and Deacon Rich, whoare also there, so a class of
three.
But I just love like, even inmy own ordination, you know, the
trumpets flourish and I waslike, okay, it's on, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was like this is great.
Yeah, it's amazed and afraid.
It's like the terrifying andalso overwhelming.
Yeah, absolutely, that's howheaven will be, hopefully, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
Father, in this Jubilee Year of Hope, I don't
think we've talked about yourpilgrimages that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh, yes, Well, there's three of them because
Bishop Molesik has designatednot one Jubilee site in the
Diocese of Cleveland but 11.
So one parish in each of theeight counties.
During Lent and Easter Ivisited all those I just
finished last week and gave alittle talk at each one.
(25:10):
And now this summer we're goingto be doing three separate
pilgrimages at three separateshrines.
So the first one is in June andit's going to start out at St
John of the Cross in Euclid, andI want to say it's June 12th.
Does that sound right?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That sounds right to me, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And then we'll start at 3.30, and then we'll process
all the way down to Lord'sShrine which is a good—it's
going to take an hour to getdown there, yeah and then we'll
have Mass at 5.
Knights of Columbus will cookout, we'll have some Jubilee ice
cream from Country Parlor andthen July 19th is a Saturday
Mass at 4 pm, st John BoscoParish process down Pearl Road
(25:54):
to the Shrine of the IncarnateWord.
Again, knights of Columbus fromSt Peter the Apostle will
provide the food at that oneTrying to get a band If you're
in a band and you want to play,call me or email me and that one
particularly aimed at youngadults, young adults, correct.
And not just, again, youngadults who are single.
But if you're young adults,have little kids like, bring
(26:15):
them in the wagon down thestreet, pray the rosary, it'd be
a lot of fun.
And then the last one is July26th and this is sponsored by
Marriage and Family Office forall families, but particular
attention to grandparents,because the shrine there is St
Anne, who is Mary's mother andJesus's grandmother, and Anna
and Joachim.
So mass, I think is 4.30 thatday, and then a very simple
(26:38):
procession out to the St AnneShrine for some ice cream and
devotions, but in the reverseorder.
I think we'll do the devotionsfirst and then the ice cream.
There you go.
The ice creams are going to becalled Jubilee Indulgence, which
is vanilla base with a honeyswirl, so milk and honey.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Nice, very biblical.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And then the other one is called not Moose Tracks,
but Pilgrim Tracks, cute, andthat is a chocolate base with
dark chocolate chunks, reese'sCup or Peanut Butter Cup.
Maybe it's not Reese's, it'ssome other brand, acme or
something.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then I think there's this caramel swirl in
there or something.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It'll be good.
The Roadrunner yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Acme Reese's All of his products.
The Coyote's products were allfrom Acme, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Wile E Coyote, that's correct.
Super genius, he never quit,though.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, he was determined .
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I used to say all the time rooting for the Yankees is
like rooting for the roadrunner.
I was like you know.
Come on, you can't root for theroadrunner, you can root for
the coyote.
Wait at least once, all right.
Our gospel for the fourthSunday of Easter Jesus said my
sheep hear my voice.
I know them and they follow me.
I know a little bit about sheepbecause my father grew up in
(27:53):
Ireland and he actually wantedto be a shepherd.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And he was going to be given a sheep farm in
Australia.
I think I've told the story ofthis podcast before, but they
sent him to an Irish sheep farmto learn how to do this and he
went out and he sheared all thesheep and everything in record
time, right.
And the owner of the farm cameover and was like Wow, mike, you
did great.
You know you really have aknack for this.
(28:18):
All right, and he hands him acleaver.
He says finish the job.
Oh no, and my dad took the neckof the first sheep and pulled
it back and the sheep's eyes gotreally, really wide and he just
went.
Ah, you know, and my fatherthings, but you can't tell me
(28:41):
that sheep was not afraid.
And he goes and I dropped thecleaver and that was the end of
the sheep farming.
And because of that one littleirish lamb I am here today.
So but the other thing aboutsheep too is you know, it says
that I, I, you know, I know themand they follow me.
The sheep's really do.
Sheep really do hear theshepherd's voice.
They get to know the shepherdand a lot of times when he first
starts as a shepherd, he liesdown in front of the gate and
(29:04):
lets the sheep walk over him sohe can get the smell of the
sheep.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So Francis talked about that a lot, so that would
be something I would reflect onthis week.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Cool.
I also have a deep affinity tothis gospel, mostly because when
we came into the church I wasjust confirmed but my kids were
fully initiated.
We used catechesis of the GoodShepherd models for formation
for my kids, and so we spent alot of time with Jesus, the Good
Shepherd and this part of thegospel.
(29:35):
You do this whole thing withlittle wooden figures of a
shepherd and then you swap itout for Jesus and the sheep and
everything like that.
So it just brings back suchfond memories of when my kids
were doing their preparation tobe received into the church,
nice.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I love Good Shepherd Sunday.
I don't know where I'm goingyet with my preaching, but it's
also Mother's Day, oh, that'sright If.
I could bring those two together, that'd be nice.
I did see something and younever know how true these things
are when you see them on theTikToks or the Instagram.
But it was some real.
And this woman was saying thatthe runt of what do you call a
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batch of newborn sheep, I don'tknow, there's probably a name.
Sometimes the runt needs specialcare from the shepherd himself
or herself and Rachel was ashepherd in the Old Testament so
the shepherd binds this littlesheep and takes good care of it
and then eventually it's able torun around with his siblings,
(30:33):
once he heals a little bit andgets his muscle and all that.
But I guess it's the runts whospent the most time with the
shepherd being taken care of,are the ones who know his voice
best because they've beenclosest to it.
And that's a nice image becauseit's those who have fallen and
sinned and realized theirneediness upon the shepherd are
(30:56):
the ones who can be closest tohim.
I like that.
I don't know where if I'll gowith that or anything, but if
that's true, maybe it'ssomething to investigate later
on in my preaching.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And a good reflection for our next pope too.
You know like, are you willingto go after the one that strays
from the 99,?
You know, and be with thepeople who are really not all
together?
You know folks who you know yougo out to the margins and find
out, when you know all thepeople that are missing or
you're you know?
Are you going to lock yourselfaway with just the 99?
(31:27):
and just where it's comfortableand it's easy and where they
know your voice and you know,like all those kinds of things.
What about the one who straysaway or the one who needs more
help, like the rent from thelitter?
You know those kinds of things.
Yeah, all right.
Well, let's pray for thecardinals in the conclave.
We'll have this and we'll havea whole lot more next time with
the new pope.
On Question of Faith.
On today's Question of Faith.
Are there threats to the papalconclave?
Hey everybody, this is Questionof Faith.
I am Deacon Mike Hayes.
I am the Director of YoungAdult Ministry here in the
Diocese of Cleveland and I'm FrDamian Ferencz, the Vicar for
Evangelization.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And I'm Christy Kavaniss, Director for
Missionary Discipleship.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Woo-hoo, Christy's back.
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Thanks, you know I for having me she's back.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks, I said to Father Damien the other day.
I said you know we've beentalking about the conclave for a
little while here, for a coupleepisodes, I said, but we
haven't had a woman'sperspective yet.
So welcome Christy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Oh, thanks, I don't know what perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I bring.
So are there threats to thepapal conclave?
I've been reading a lot,obviously, about all of these
things and obviously there areright.
I mean, every conclave, notjust this one, has had sort of
threats, whether those arepolitical threats, people trying
to influence during this sortof interregnum period, Spiritual
threats.
I sent you that thing fromMonsignor Rossetti yesterday.
(00:57):
Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So, if you're not aware, monsignor Rossetti is a
clinical psychologist.
He used to work at the StLuke's Institute, which is a
place where priests go when theyneed some help, maybe with
drinking or hoarding orrelationship things, and he also
eventually became a trainedexorcist.
So he has a little web presenceand I from time to time see
(01:20):
some of his things.
And he mentioned he was tryingto answer the question are there
threats?
So you know everybody's askingall sorts of questions and I
guess we're asking that too.
So certainly there are threatsthat could happen to the
conclave.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, exactly, and that's why we pray for the
cardinals, right?
Yeah, so I saw a website theother day my friend sent me to
called Adopt a Cardinal.
I don't know if you've seenthis yet.
No, so it's in German.
You have to have it.
You know you have to use alittle translate button, but
when you go on there, you justput your email address in.
We'll put this in the shownotes.
Just put your email address inthere and then they send you a
cardinal to pray for.
(01:54):
So guess who I got?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Who did you get?
Is it an American?
No, it is not.
Oh, okay, oh, pete Zavala, thenCorrect.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's such a great name for a cardinal.
It is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Exactly so.
If he gets elected, it'sbecause I prayed.
You're welcome, your Holiness.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh right, Well, also I saw on one of the Facebook
pages I follow with catecheticalleaders, somebody had created
like baseball trading cards forall the cardinals.
Like we did at our ballparkmass, yeah, when they were
ordained and then when they wereelevated, and then where the
archbishop of, or what theirpost is, and then their picture
and everything.
So the kids could pray for thecardinals as well, which I
(02:32):
thought was really cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It is very cool.
I follow a guy on Instagramcalled Catholic Traveler and he
just posted things from theVatican News where they put
pictures up of the three newwhite cassocks.
There's a tall one, a mediumone, a short one, then three
surpluses, so just getting readyfor this thing, and they built
(02:54):
the new floor in the SistineChapel, so everything's on the
same level.
And people just took an oath ofsecrecy today, not just the
cardinals, but the lay folks andeverybody who's helping around
the elevator operators and thecooks.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's exciting and terrifying both.
Yeah, exactly For sure, when Isaw those I'm like, oh my gosh,
if I was a cardinal in there.
You look at it like somebody'slife is going to change.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
In to change in a profound way.
I just read this morning that Ididn't know that this was the
case.
Is that one of the rulings isthat the cardinals all have to
cease their duties, effectiveimmediately from the moment that
the pope dies.
Because of the sake that wedon't know who the Holy Spirit
will move the cardinals to votefor, to put into the seat as the
next you know what is it?
The successor to Peter and that, so, then, that their posts can
(03:51):
start to figure out what thatwill look like if they were not
there.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, and it makes sense because it makes it easier
for the new guy coming in tosay this is who I want.
So Fernandez, the one cardinal.
Someone referred to him as theformer moral theologian because
he lost his title, as dideverybody else, when the seat is
vacant, so that you can pick itup right again if the pope
wants, or he can appointsomebody new.
Yeah, yeah, it makes sense,yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, there's a lot that goes on, you know, and,
like you know, we were talkingabout like are there threats to
this?
You know, the thing that I'malways thinking about, too, is
like to this.
You know, the thing that I'malways thinking about, too, is
like, okay, all these guys gettogether, they lock them in a
room and do they feel thepressure, like if, okay, we're
at four ballots and we haven'tgotten anybody yet and the
people are clamoring for thisand we can almost feel that,
(04:38):
even though we're all lockedaway and so a couple cardinals
have said that this week theysaid in former conclaves were
like, okay, come on, guys, we'vegot to elect somebody because
the people are waiting.
And somebody else said I don'tknow what podcast this was on.
They said, well, god, I reallyhope that they don't do that.
I hope that it takes as long asit takes, and the Holy Spirit
(04:59):
should just work and they shouldjust keep going until they find
the person that they really arecalled to find.
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, I think an amazing story that our pastor
told this week.
We had our Mass for theRemembrance of Pope Francis On
Tuesday night.
He told the story there andthen he told it again on Sunday
to the whole congregationgathered.
And it was he was serving in aparish where someone was getting
(05:25):
married and it was the nephewof a cardinal.
So the cardinal came in and youknow you can't just let a
cardinal show up at the rectoryand let himself in.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's really inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So he was there with one of his friends and they
welcomed him in and they haddinner.
And when they were sittingaround for drinks his friend
asked the cardinal so can youtell us what happens at a
conclave?
Because it was not long afterPope Francis was elected.
And he said you know that we'reall sworn to secrecy and of
course I cannot tell you whathappened during the conclave,
but what I can tell you is thatI have never in all my life
(05:59):
experienced the palpablepresence of the Holy Spirit the
way that I did in that space.
And he said it was.
And he said he got, almost hegot emotional and he said he was
a strong, tough man and thatthe pastor was saying that this
cardinal was a strong, tough man.
He didn't seem the type to getyou know sort of weepy about it,
but built up with the emotionof.
(06:21):
And he said and even once thenFrancis was elected he said you
could see a physical change comeover his emotion of.
And he said and even once thenFrancis was elected, he said you
could see a physical changecome over his demeanor and that
each one of us, when we shookhis hand there wasn't a dry eye
in the house that we were alljust so honored to have this be
the choice and know fully thatthe Holy Spirit had had his
moment with us to make thishappen.
(06:42):
So I think that's alsosomething that we should be
praying for the movement of theHoly Spirit too.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and the docility of the cardinals to the
movement of the Holy Spirit,because the Holy Spirit always
shows up.
And that's where I think thethreat is, and it's not just
with the conclave, but anytimeyou're trying to do something
good for the church, the devil,as Pope Francis would remind us,
is trying to get in there andscrew things up.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, exactly and similar to your story.
I was reading Pope Francis'book Hope and one of the things
he said in there was he said so,they elect me, he goes.
And as the election is comingup, I went uh-oh, it's like okay
, it looks like it's headedtoward me and he goes.
(07:25):
And then when his friend saidto him, don't forget the poor,
he said this overwhelmingfeeling of calm came over him
and he said Francis of Assisi,pray for me.
Oh, wow.
And he took the name and he saidand then when he went into the
room of tears, he said he wasjust okay, you know, this is
what I'm going to do now.
Clearly, this is where the HolySpirit's leading us.
(07:47):
I know it, they know it, andnow you know.
And he even said like you know,there's all those reports about
him, like you know, sort ofeschewing the papal dress, which
he did.
But he said that, like with theshoes, they presented, the red
shoes and he said no, no, no.
He said I'll just wear my ownshoes.
I've got really flat feet andthese are orthopedic.
(08:08):
I don't want to fall on my facethe first day, you know, and you
know, he said I have had thispectoral cross since the first
day I was a bishop.
But he goes I'm carrying theprayers of all my people with
this.
I'm going to keep this cross,and you know, and he, I'm going
to keep this cross.
And he just didn't want any ofall the other accoutrements,
which I think is more about thevow of poverty that he's taken
(08:29):
as a Jesuit as well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You sent that clip to me today or last night, or I
saw it early this morning.
There was a woman influencer onInstagram who was talking about
that some of the things that,because he was a Jesuit and
because he took a vow of poverty, may not be for the next Pope.
I was thinking that too,because I read that the Holy
Father had like $100 to his name.
(08:52):
Yes to his name.
Yeah, but he wasn't a diocesanpriest, correct, so he didn't
get a paycheck.
So If you're part of a religiousorder, you really don't own
anything.
Like Cardinal Sean O'Malley isthe same way.
He lives now back with theCapuchins at 4121 Harewood Road
in DC at Capuchin College.
But for a diocesan priest likewe are responsible for, we get a
(09:14):
salary that's enough, but we'reresponsible for taking care of
ourselves into retirement.
So if we didn't have any moneywhen we died, it would be highly
irresponsible because you'd beputting that burden on the
church.
So I do think that's adistinction that's helpful, that
if a religious becomes the Pope, it's different than a diocesan
priest, because diocesanpriests do have to provide for
(09:36):
themselves in a way that, likebuy my own car, my own car
insurance, and we do get moneyto do those sorts of things.
So, I don't think you wantsomeone who's wealthy but a
diocesan priest do have toprovide for themselves in ways
that religious priests or popesdon't.
Now I think when you're pope,you're taken care of, you're
(09:57):
doing okay.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I would hope so.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You've got everything you need.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But even the small things that he did along those
lines.
It's interesting.
I was thinking about this too.
I was like, has he sort ofchanged that now, though?
In some ways I think he wasreally moving us to see the pope
in a more humble fashion, ifyou would like.
Moving out of the papalapartments, so 200 people come
(10:21):
up here?
This is way too big for me.
Moving out of the papalapartments, so 200 people come
up here, this is way too big forme.
Is the next guy going to belooked down on if he takes the
papal apartment?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
From what I understand, the papal apartment
wasn't that big, but what hedesired was to live with other
people because he's a communityguy, he's a Jesuit.
And diocesan priests.
A lot of them are better offliving by themselves than living
in communities.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Do you resemble that remark, Father?
Sometimes, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So I do want to avoid the trap of now the bar is set
and everyone has to be this way,because part of that was him
being a religious.
I mean his love for the poor,simplicity, poverty as an
evangelical council.
I think all that's right, butpeople come from different
cultures and differentbackgrounds and I think we have
(11:08):
to be aware of that.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, and some people need time alone and it might be
better to have a papalapartment where they can move on
.
The other thing, too, issecurity.
You know I think the pillarsaid this in their podcast
recently.
They said that one of thethings that we don't realize
about that move was that nowSanta Marta has to become, like
you know, the most secure hotelin the world.
You know.
And that cost all kinds of moneytoo and like all kinds of
(11:31):
things.
They had to move all kinds ofthings around and it was kind of
a problem and they said itwould be kind of a relief to the
papal staff if he moved back tothe papal apartments now in
some ways too, one of the thingsPope Francis did was he stopped
going to Castle Gandolfo.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
If you remember, the popes would go there during the
summertime because Rome isreally hot.
So this is out in the mountainsand a lot of Europeans will
take the month or Romans inparticular will take the month
of August off and they'll go outbecause it's so hot there.
That's when all the touristscome in.
So I wrote a piece not too longago saying that was one of the
(12:07):
things I thought was insolidarity with the poor.
But then someone said but forworkaholics it's good to take a
break too.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Do you know what I mean?
That's true, yeah.
If we're constantly working allthe time and the Pope died with
his boots on.
He did.
He was kind of a workaholic attimes.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I think he, but he also prayed for two hours
every day.
Yeah, right, I mean he had adeep relationship with the Lord.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But there are different styles and so I think
with each pope there's going tobe a different style and
different things that arenuanced, and I value
individualism.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right, you know in some ways Like it's like.
You know we're all individuals.
You know it's one of mystrengths finder things is
individualization.
If I could pronounce it, itwould be great.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That would be terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But you know, like treating each person as an
individual, you know, and weshould probably treat the Pope
as an individual, he has his owngifts and talents, and likes
and dislikes.
So, you know, let him be who heis.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's why we elected him.
After all, coming from SouthAmerica is not coming from
Germany, is not coming fromPoland and is not coming from
Italy.
So yeah, it'll be interestingto see if we get an Asian pope
or an African pope what thatwould bring to the office.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, that would be different.
Yeah, exactly A reminder thatWorld Youth Day will be in South
Korea 2027.
2027.
So it would be interesting ifCardinal Tagle or, oh, I'm not
remembering the cardinal fromSingapore who was all over
Instagram the other day.
But if one of them were elected, it would be an Asian pope at
(13:27):
World Youth Day in an Asiancountry.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
There are several really good candidates from the
Asian countries that I thinkcould be easily elected as our
next Holy Father, so it would beinteresting to see.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I live currently with two Filipino priests across the
street.
They were telling me that theone that everyone knows is
Cardinal Tagle, who was at theNational Eucharistic Congress.
They said there's two otherstoo, so who knows?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, and my associate pastor is from the
Philippines, father Lito, and heknows Cardinal Tagle, he's been
with him many times?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I think he may have said that.
He said he has been with himmany, many times, but he said
that he's very.
He said first of all, he'sbrilliant.
Second of all, he's very, verykind.
And he said that.
He said I hope he's strongenough to be the Pope.
He said, you know, he said hesaid he doesn't let people walk
all over him, but he said hethinks that he takes everything
to heart, and so that would be.
(14:23):
You know, that might weighheavy on him in some ways.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He studied here in the States.
He's a Catholic U guy.
He's a Catholic U he's from CUA.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, studied under Avery Dulles and Joe Kamanchik
and a couple other folks.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, he talks about his timein the United States a lot,
which would be interesting.
So I mean that was one of thequestions I was going to ask who
would you not be surprised tosee elected?
Like you know, if somebody cameout onto the loge you would say
, oh yeah, that makes sense.
So Cardinal Tagli would be who?
(14:52):
I would say, for sure I wouldnot be surprised to see him Any
name that I've heard.
I guess I wouldn't be surprisedIf it was someone I never heard
of, then I'd be surprised.
That's very good, Father.
I'd say it that way.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So who would you be very surprised to see?
I think that where we are, withthe papacy and everything the
work that Pope Francis has done,I think that I would be
surprised to see a cardinal whois sort of made himself known as
very conservative.
I don't know that that'snecessarily the direction that
the church is going, and I don'tthink that that's what the
cardinals would—they want amiddle ground guy.
I think, but I—Mike you and Ihave talked about this before I
(15:36):
do think that they might belooking for somebody that can
manage and handle the stresses.
It's sort of—I've heard somethings said that like there
needs to be a Paul VI after JohnXXIII, that Pope Francis got
some things going and stirred upand that we need a pope that
can come in and actually likekind of do the finishing of like
(15:58):
, put stuff into order, animplementer kind of person,
exactly exactly as opposed to avisionary, maybe.
Right, yeah, exactly.
So I don't think it'll be.
I would be surprised if it wassomebody very similar to Pope
Francis.
I think that's what I would saySure yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So Paolo Sorrentino, who wrote the Young Pope, have
you seen?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
that on HBO?
I have not seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's really good.
Jude Law plays the Pope.
The original had a very liberalpope replacing the Holy Father
because it was written aboutBenedict, but then, when Francis
came in, they wrote it withPius XIII.
Jude Law played an Americanpope.
He was 47 years old who came inand I loved his character.
(16:36):
There's great development.
I reviewed the series.
I don't think it'll be anAmerican.
I'll just say that I don'tthink it'll be an American.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'll just say that I don't think it'll be an American
.
Yeah, I was going in the samedirection.
I said I'd be very surprised ifit would be an American.
I would even say you know, withthe exception of one, I think I
wouldn't be too surprised ifCardinal Tobin came out from
Newark, who's been talked abouta lot, but anybody else.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think I would be surprised to see an American.
Yeah, there's some other guy Inever heard of, but I just heard
of him the other day and he wasa nuncio in peru and he's an
american that no one talkedabout.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I guess prevost his name, I think yeah, he was
seen going into cardinal burke'sapartment the other day
apparently so who knows whatthat means, but it means it
might be his friend.
That's's right.
That's what I said to someonetoo.
All right, Long conclave shortconclave Saturday oh wow.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I have a wedding on Saturday at like 1 o'clock at St
Stephen's and I told the couplewouldn't it be cool if?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
the first time you prayed.
The would be cool.
Yeah, what do you think longshort, I think medium.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think probably two or three days, I don't think
it'll take them too long.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So if it's Wednesday, you think by Friday or Saturday
, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yep, I think by Good Shepherd Sunday, which is a
Sunday.
Oh, that would be great, thatwould be perfect, that would be.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I'll say it'll be a very quick one.
I think it'll be two, threeballot stops.
Oh, so you think like by theend of the day, wednesday,
they'll have a ballot on yes,thursday, thursday, paul VII.
Yeah, I was going to say peoplename was my next question.
Yes, that is what I think it'seither Paul VII or John XXIV.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, I think it would be John XXIV Francis.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
II would be too obvious.
Yeah, that would be too obvious.
Yeah, that would be way tooobvious yeah.
And you don't want to be, likeyou know, a carbon copy of the
last guy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know Well, I've said this before about Paul VII
the conservatives didn't likehim because of what happened
with the liturgy, the liberalsdidn't like him because of
Humanae Vitae, and then when hepublished Evangelium Nuntiandi
in 1974-75, no one paidattention.
Which is why, francis, I meanwe try to revive.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
So many of those ideas and enjoy the gospel.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But yeah, we'll see.
I have no idea.
Like, what do we know anyway,absolutely.
I mean, it's fun, it's kind oflike guessing the NFL draft.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So when Benedict XVI was elected, I was with a friend
of mine, father Ron Franco.
Father Ron Franco and Iprobably at the time this is not
true today, but at the time weprobably agreed on the time of
day and maybe not much more.
And we're watching PopeBenedict get elected and then
they say that you know CardinalRatzinger.
(19:16):
And I said wow, ratzinger, okay.
And he says he goes wait, wait,what's the name, what's the
name?
And they go Benedict XVI.
He goes oh, that's the name Iwould have chosen.
And I said, wow, new pope, justgot so much better.
I was like, because it's notyou, that's funny, that's the
name.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I would have chosen.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
However, if it was Paul VII, that's the name I
would have chosen.
Now think, honor my Paulistfriends.
Probably right, and I have anaffinity for St Paul also.
So I think that would be– I'mhoping that he does take Paul
VII.
I think that would be good.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We were talking at lunch yesterday.
There's never been a Peter II.
Yeah, that's true.
And I guess when it happens,the world's supposed to end and
there's never been a Pope Josepheither.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh yeah, I would like that.
That's my favorite saint, stJoseph.
Yeah, yeah, never been to StJoseph.
Pope Joseph, rather Interesting.
Well, we'll find out soon,that's for sure.
I think too, the thing that Iwas thinking about the other day
is during the sort of quietperiod where they're all sitting
(20:19):
inside waiting.
You know, all theseprognosticators on TV.
I'm thinking about this as aformer media person.
I'm like, wow, that's a lot oftime to fill.
They want to share aconglomerate.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know, I'm just thinking about.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Like you know, father Dave Dwyer is out there for
Sirius and Lena Rooley, you know, sitting around saying okay,
what can we talk?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
about now.
I mean, there's a lot of guysso I feel like you could do like
a bio history whatever aboutwhat they've written and you
know the work that they've done.
So, that could be interestingtoo.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And no shortage of other journalists and things
like that to interview.
Sure, yeah, We'll all shareeach other for a little while
you know.
So you can do CBS today andI'll do NBC.
I mean, you can see thesepeople doing all these things,
so it'll be fun, anyway.
So Papal Conclaves starts onMay 7th, which, by the way, is
my father's birthday.
By the way, here's another.
(21:09):
What was your dad's first name?
Mike, Same Mike, oh, mike.
Yeah, pope Michael has therebeen.
I don't think so.
That's a really good question.
I don't think so.
I can't recall one.
I don't think so.
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I don't think so I can't recall one.
I think there was a fake one,or isn't there an artist named?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Pope Michael, there is a fake one, you're right.
Yeah, so that's probably onereason I won't take that one.
The other thing, my friendVictor, who you both met at my
ordination he was the guy whodied like four days after
ordination.
My college friend, his family'sfrom the Philippines, so I said
, and the day of his death isThursday.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Which will be the day , yeah, the second day of the
conclave.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
So I said Victor, Mendoza is going to make sure
there's a Filipino cardinal fromheaven.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh, that would be awesome, so it'll be fun.
So, anyway, pray for thecardinals.
Adoptacardinalorg.
If you want to pray for aCardinal, they'll give you a
Cardinal's name, and so I've gotPierre Batista Pizzabella.
Yeah so it'll be good so.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'll be praying for him.
I just want to say Catholics dohave the best outfits, whether
it's like liturgical stuff orCatholic school outfits.
We get that, I get that right.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I think we 100% get pomp and circumstance so well.
So that's yeah, I think all ofthis, like the formality yeah,
it's awesome, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I have a nice cassock .
I don't wear it very often, butyou know, when you've got to
get formal you should be able toget formal.
It's not all the time, but Ijust want to say that because I
look and I'm like man, thoseguys look sharp, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I do sort of like the more grand liturgical things.
So like it was deaconordination this week, but
congratulations to deacon JeffStutzman in particular yeah,
congrats, deacon Jeff Stutzman.
In particular, who is one of ourown here in the diocese, who
works in the communicationsoffice and helps set up the
studio and things like that, aswell as his two classmates,
(23:06):
deacon Dale and Deacon Rich, whoare also there, so a class of
three.
But I just love like, even inmy own ordination, you know, the
trumpets flourish and I waslike, okay, it's on, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I was like this is great.
Yeah, it's amazed and afraid.
It's like the terrifying andalso overwhelming.
Yeah, absolutely, that's howheaven will be, hopefully, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 1 (24:44):
Father, in this Jubilee Year of Hope, I don't
think we've talked about yourpilgrimages that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh, yes, Well, there's three of them because
Bishop Molesik has designatednot one Jubilee site in the
Diocese of Cleveland but 11.
So one parish in each of theeight counties.
During Lent and Easter Ivisited all those I just
finished last week and gave alittle talk at each one.
(25:10):
And now this summer we're goingto be doing three separate
pilgrimages at three separateshrines.
So the first one is in June andit's going to start out at St
John of the Cross in Euclid, andI want to say it's June 12th.
Does that sound right?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That sounds right to me, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And then we'll start at 3.30, and then we'll process
all the way down to Lord'sShrine which is a good—it's
going to take an hour to getdown there, yeah and then we'll
have Mass at 5.
Knights of Columbus will cookout, we'll have some Jubilee ice
cream from Country Parlor andthen July 19th is a Saturday
Mass at 4 pm, st John BoscoParish process down Pearl Road
(25:54):
to the Shrine of the IncarnateWord.
Again, knights of Columbus fromSt Peter the Apostle will
provide the food at that oneTrying to get a band If you're
in a band and you want to play,call me or email me and that one
particularly aimed at youngadults, young adults, correct.
And not just, again, youngadults who are single.
But if you're young adults,have little kids like, bring
(26:15):
them in the wagon down thestreet, pray the rosary, it'd be
a lot of fun.
And then the last one is July26th and this is sponsored by
Marriage and Family Office forall families, but particular
attention to grandparents,because the shrine there is St
Anne, who is Mary's mother andJesus's grandmother, and Anna
and Joachim.
So mass, I think is 4.30 thatday, and then a very simple
(26:38):
procession out to the St AnneShrine for some ice cream and
devotions, but in the reverseorder.
I think we'll do the devotionsfirst and then the ice cream.
There you go.
The ice creams are going to becalled Jubilee Indulgence, which
is vanilla base with a honeyswirl, so milk and honey.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Nice, very biblical.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And then the other one is called not Moose Tracks,
but Pilgrim Tracks, cute, andthat is a chocolate base with
dark chocolate chunks, reese'sCup or Peanut Butter Cup.
Maybe it's not Reese's, it'ssome other brand, acme or
something.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then I think there's this caramel swirl in
there or something.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It'll be good.
The Roadrunner yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Acme Reese's All of his products.
The Coyote's products were allfrom Acme, that's right.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Wile E Coyote, that's correct.
Super genius, he never quit,though.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
No, he was determined .
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I used to say all the time rooting for the Yankees is
like rooting for the roadrunner.
I was like you know.
Come on, you can't root for theroadrunner, you can root for
the coyote.
Wait at least once, all right.
Our gospel for the fourthSunday of Easter Jesus said my
sheep hear my voice.
I know them and they follow me.
I know a little bit about sheepbecause my father grew up in
(27:53):
Ireland and he actually wantedto be a shepherd.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And he was going to be given a sheep farm in
Australia.
I think I've told the story ofthis podcast before, but they
sent him to an Irish sheep farmto learn how to do this and he
went out and he sheared all thesheep and everything in record
time, right.
And the owner of the farm cameover and was like Wow, mike, you
did great.
You know you really have aknack for this.
(28:18):
All right, and he hands him acleaver.
He says finish the job.
Oh no, and my dad took the neckof the first sheep and pulled
it back and the sheep's eyes gotreally, really wide and he just
went.
Ah, you know, and my fatherthings, but you can't tell me
(28:41):
that sheep was not afraid.
And he goes and I dropped thecleaver and that was the end of
the sheep farming.
And because of that one littleirish lamb I am here today.
So but the other thing aboutsheep too is you know, it says
that I, I, you know, I know themand they follow me.
The sheep's really do.
Sheep really do hear theshepherd's voice.
They get to know the shepherdand a lot of times when he first
starts as a shepherd, he liesdown in front of the gate and
(29:04):
lets the sheep walk over him sohe can get the smell of the
sheep.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So Francis talked about that a lot, so that would
be something I would reflect onthis week.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Cool.
I also have a deep affinity tothis gospel, mostly because when
we came into the church I wasjust confirmed but my kids were
fully initiated.
We used catechesis of the GoodShepherd models for formation
for my kids, and so we spent alot of time with Jesus, the Good
Shepherd and this part of thegospel.
(29:35):
You do this whole thing withlittle wooden figures of a
shepherd and then you swap itout for Jesus and the sheep and
everything like that.
So it just brings back suchfond memories of when my kids
were doing their preparation tobe received into the church,
nice.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I love Good Shepherd Sunday.
I don't know where I'm goingyet with my preaching, but it's
also Mother's Day, oh, that'sright If.
I could bring those two together, that'd be nice.
I did see something and younever know how true these things
are when you see them on theTikToks or the Instagram.
But it was some real.
And this woman was saying thatthe runt of what do you call a
(30:10):
batch of newborn sheep, I don'tknow, there's probably a name.
Sometimes the runt needs specialcare from the shepherd himself
or herself and Rachel was ashepherd in the Old Testament so
the shepherd binds this littlesheep and takes good care of it
and then eventually it's able torun around with his siblings,
(30:33):
once he heals a little bit andgets his muscle and all that.
But I guess it's the runts whospent the most time with the
shepherd being taken care of,are the ones who know his voice
best because they've beenclosest to it.
And that's a nice image becauseit's those who have fallen and
sinned and realized theirneediness upon the shepherd are
(30:56):
the ones who can be closest tohim.
I like that.
I don't know where if I'll gowith that or anything, but if
that's true, maybe it'ssomething to investigate later
on in my preaching.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And a good reflection for our next pope too.
You know like, are you willingto go after the one that strays
from the 99,?
You know, and be with thepeople who are really not all
together?
You know folks who you know yougo out to the margins and find
out, when you know all thepeople that are missing or
you're you know?
Are you going to lock yourselfaway with just the 99?
(31:27):
and just where it's comfortableand it's easy and where they
know your voice and you know,like all those kinds of things.
What about the one who straysaway or the one who needs more
help, like the rent from thelitter?
You know those kinds of things.
Yeah, all right.
Well, let's pray for thecardinals in the conclave.
We'll have this and we'll havea whole lot more next time with
the new pope.
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