February 11, 2025 • 25 mins
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Navigating a world dominated by smartphones poses challenges to spiritual integrity and mental health. The episode addresses the risks associated with gambling and pornography, encouraging accountability and healthy habits in the digital age.
• Overview of the impact of smartphones on faith
• Discussion on gambling culture during events like the Super Bowl
• Mental health trends related to smartphone usage
• Examining the addiction crisis linked to pornography and gambling
• Strategies for setting boundaries with technology
• Importance of real-world human connections
• Call for accountability in dealing with addictions
• Reflection on the Catholic Church’s perspective on gambling and morality
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's Question of Faith.
If my phone is causing me tosin, should I throw it out?
Hey everybody, this is Questionof Faith.
I'm Deacon Mike Hayes.
I am the Director of YoungAdult Ministry here in the
Diocese of Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Father Damian Ferencz, the Vicar for
Evangelization.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And I am Francine Costantini, the Director of
Youth Ministry for the Diocese.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back to the show Francineantini, the
Director of Youth Ministry forthe Diocese.
Welcome back to the show,francine.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thank you, welcome back.
So a bunch of things today.
Super Bowl, by the way FlyEagles fly.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That was the worst Super Bowl I've ever watched in
my entire life.
It was so boring.
I mean, I wanted the Chiefs towin, but I really didn't care, I
just wanted a good game, and itwas miserable.
Yeah, it was just a blowout,and the commercials weren't even
that good.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, agreed Everything you know, just kind
of meh, and yet we still watched.
Oh yeah, we watched, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Anyways, a lot of people bet on that game.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
What was the spread?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Was it eight points or something?
I didn't look at that untilhalftime, which was I think it
was plus 16.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Or minus 16?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
for the Eagles, I should say, but they adjusted it
as the game went.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I wonder what it was before.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yes, so online gaming sites will give you the
opportunity to bet throughoutthe game, not just before the
game.
It used to be if you took theEagles plus three, the Eagles
will get three points added totheir score, if you understand
gambling.
But as the game goes on now,online betting sites will add to
(01:43):
that.
They'll say okay, the otherteam's already up 10, so let's
make the spread 12 and see ifsomeone will take that bet,
which is designed for peoplelike me, with compulsive
personalities to bet on thesethings, and so, because I know
myself, I don't bet on thesethings.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I know myself I work too hard for my money and I
don't like to gamble.
I know myself I work too hardfor my money and I don't like to
gamble.
But it certainly is somethingthat you can do, not just at the
casino or in Vegas, but now youcan do this on your phone,
which is one of the reasons weasked the question.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And it's not just gambling, but it's pornography,
it's social media, it's allsorts of things that can be on
your phone, and we're gettingcloser to Lent now.
So what is a Catholic to do?
If you do have these struggles?
What's the response, francine,what's your experience been,
especially with young people andphones?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well with phones.
If you just look at, you canjust Google it and you'll find a
million different sites thatwill have charts that will show
the advent of the smartphone notjust the cell phone but the
smartphone and the increase insales of the smartphone and the
increase in mental healthdisorders in young people Like
(02:56):
it's.
You can overlay those two linesand they're identical.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I know the break in generation from Generation Z to
what's called the AlphaGeneration is 2012.
And 2012 was the year that overhalf of Americans had a
smartphone.
And there's a couple of bookslike Abigail Schreier has one
and the Jonathan something orother.
(03:21):
I forget.
I read both books last year,but it talks about spending more
time in recreation online thanin person, and that's a new
thing for a generation.
But it's not just youngerpeople.
There are older people too whospend a lot of their time on
their phone.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We just had a workshop on pornography last
night, actually, with thedeacons, and one of the things
that the presenter said to uswas that you know, there are
very well-meaning people whogive their older parent a device
in order to have them stayconnected more easily, you know,
through FaceTime or calls ortexts or whatever, and then they
(04:02):
get curious after they start tolearn to use the phone and
they're becoming now the highestrate of people who are addicted
to pornography, online gambling, social media as well.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Especially if you are older and a widow and you're
lonely, yes, lonely right.
And you're finding connectionthere?
Yes, and it used to be the casethat if you wanted pornography
you had to work for it.
You had to go to the seedy partof town and find a magazine
somewhere.
Now you can be.
I talked to some priests whowere at that conference
(04:31):
yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
They said the age that young people are first
coming across pornography is sixor seven on their phone now,
and that's the average.
That's the average, so thatmeans some people are doing it
younger than that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Because a lot of the porn sites will target younger
audiences by having keywordsthat children would look for
lead them in a differentdirection.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, so it's not that the young people are going
out looking for it, it's lookingfor them.
It's looking for them.
Yeah, it's targeting them.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And then once they find them, they have ways of
keeping them there, you know interms of pornography.
So it will widen.
The arousal template is one ofthe things that Dr Carnes is one
of the experts in this area.
He said in the shadows of thenet is his book, where, you know
, you start to look at differentimages that you never saw
before and you didn't realizethat that was something that
would attract you and you'relike, oh never knew that that,
(05:23):
that was something that wouldattract you and you're like, oh
never knew that.
And so now you keep going downthat road and you can find
videos that will only show youthe things that you want to see,
as opposed to going to get amagazine, where you might not
see anything that you'reattracted to.
So it has the ability to keepyou coming back more easily.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, and then isn't it true too, that the stuff you
look at can get weirder andweirder?
yeah, that's right, and you haveyoung men in their 20s who are
struggling with erectiledysfunction because they're
looking at all sorts of imagesthat no human being has ever had
the capacity to see all at once.
And now you to be with onewoman, monogamously married, can
(06:04):
be very difficult for you.
So what do you do?
Do you throw your phone out?
Do we say, okay, this is enough, we have to get rid of all
phones?
Obviously, we can't do that,but there's got to be some way
that we can limit our intake andincrease our time in the real
world, with real people livingin a chaste, loving way, where
(06:24):
we're not objectifying folks andsimply getting dopamine hits
all day.
So what are some ways to dothat?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think the family meal, I think the family meal is
so essential, even if thefamily is two people.
But or even if the family isone person.
I mean, how many of us have,you know, we have lunch by
ourselves and we're on our phonewhile we're doom scrolling
through lunch, but keeping thephone away from meals and
(06:54):
keeping the phone out of bed,not scrolling on the phone at
night.
If you are lying in your bed,your bed is for sleeping or
reading or marital activities.
But not phone.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
True say it.
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And I think when we bring the phone everywhere it
becomes like I used to travel alot.
I still travel quite a bit, forwork sometimes and for family
and the airports are verydifferent now than they were
when I was younger and I wouldtravel.
You would meet interestingpeople in the airport.
You would just even look atinteresting people.
(07:33):
You would see interesting dress, you would see interesting
things and you would peoplewatch at the airport and meet
interesting people On the planes.
You would have conversationswith folks and now everyone has
their headphones on and islooking at a screen and nobody
(07:54):
is interacting with anyone else.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You're speaking in hyperbole because not nobody.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know, but I would say this that's true.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Here's my way to find interesting people in the
airport.
Find someone who's reading abook, because those are the
people that we that, because I,I read a lot and I love reading
in airports and on the plane.
And if you find someone who'sgot a book, that'll be an
interesting person for you totalk to.
Um, and it's also a yeah, it'slike hey, here's an indication
that I'm interested in having aconversation.
I'm interested in reading abook.
(08:21):
I, if I'm interested in readinga book, I'll have a
conversation with you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And I see this knowing the first thing I do
when I get on that plane is Iput my AirPods in Like I want
quiet, and so I actually don'teven have music on often.
It's just the noise canceling,but it also indicates that I'm
not open for conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You're literally putting plugs in your ears so
that other people don't maketheir way into your ear.
Yeah, now there can be theoccasional traveler who's
annoying as all get out, butsometimes I mean, I've had great
conversations on planes too,but sometimes I want to read and
don't want to talk to someone,right?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, and there's that right.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We all have different things.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Some people just want the world to go away on a plane
or you know, if you knowthere's a baby crying, you know
it's not see.
I find that that that's alwaysan opportunity too.
You know, it's like I rememberthere was a woman sitting next
to me and she and her littlefour-year-old was next to me and
she was like, oh you, poor manI'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, this
kid's going to scream the wholeflight and I was like no, no,
he'll be fine.
And so here's one where yourphone came in handy.
(09:29):
Actually, I said you likedoggies.
I said to him, and he goes,yeah.
And so I started showing himpictures and videos of my dog
and he just drifted off to sleepafter about 10 seconds.
I was the hero for the day.
I mean, at the same time, Imean I was, you know, I felt bad
.
You know I was like, okay, thisis.
You know, I was ready to putthe headphones in.
I was like, oh, don't worry, Igot my headphones, he's not
(09:50):
gonna bother me.
But you know, I took anopportunity instead to make a
friend.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This woman, um yeah good, no good, I was gonna say,
there's certainly some thingsthat are just by their nature
like, like evil pornography, soyou don't want to be looking at
that on your phone, but howabout social media?
or how about gambling?
Because these were a couple ofthings that we did want to talk
to.
I did a little bit of researchin the catechism, so Article
(10:18):
2413, games of chance orgambling or wagers are not in
themselves contrary to justice,so that's good.
They become morallyunacceptable when they deprive
someone of what is necessary toprovide for his needs and those
of others.
So let's say you have a fatherof the family, or it could be a
(10:40):
mother, but I think men gamblemore than women and gets his
paycheck and decides I know, Ihave to pay for groceries,
education, bills of the house.
However, I am going to gambleinstead and maybe, if I win,
I'll make more money.
Then, before you know it, themoney that was supposed to be
spent taking care of family hasbeen wasted.
(11:03):
That's an act of injustice.
So in that way, or even if youdon't have a family, if you're,
the money that may need to go tothe poor can go in service.
So it is allowed to do somegambling for the sake of
entertainment.
The church isn't against that,but it could be a violation of
justice or an act of injustice,depending upon how much money is
(11:27):
gambled and spent, and all that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Right, yeah, and the compulsion you know ends up
making it worse.
You know if you get addicted tothis stuff.
Now those things becomecommonplace for you.
You know you're where everyweek you go and throw your
paycheck down the sewer.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know and that's the next line in the Catechism
the passion for gambling risksbecoming an enslavement, and we
human beings are made to be free, not slaves, and we can become
slaves to all sorts of thingsdrink, money, sex power,
popularity, all these things.
So we want to avoid that forthe sake of being free.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Right, yeah, and I think just taking that notion of
entertainment and having asense of how much is in my
budget for entertainment andthis is how I'm going to spend
my money, it's a differentperspective on gambling.
It's not I'm trying to winmoney, I'm trying to make more
money than I have and I thinkthis is a calculated risk If you
(12:21):
look at gambling, becausethere's a reason.
All the companies are makingall the money and want you to
gamble.
It's because they're making themoney not you, not me and so
having that mindset of this ishow I'm spending my fun money,
Just like if I was going to goout to a restaurant, if I was
going to go out to see a movie.
I'm going to spend my moneydoing this because I find this
(12:43):
entertaining, If you have it inthat category.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, that's what I do with concerts.
I love live music.
I love going to shows.
I go by myself sometimes and Ido meet strangers there, but
also I go with good friends.
I like to get a meal beforehand, see the show, then unpack the
show afterward.
The thing about a concert to mewhich is different than
gambling is you always winbecause you know what you're
(13:08):
going to see your favoriteartist and then at the end you
think it's over.
No, they come out and play moresongs for you and you're like,
yeah, winning, winning.
So, yeah, that's in moderation.
You know we're getting back tovirtue here.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Exactly I mean.
So I know a little bit aboutgambling, so I enjoy playing
blackjack and gambling.
So I enjoy playing blackjackand I enjoy occasionally making
a wager on a sporting event,maybe, but in general I would
say now this is just going to acasino.
We'll add the online element tothis in a second right.
So, going to a casino,everybody in the casino I think
(13:41):
it's 75% of the people who willbe in the casino at some point
will be up.
So that's three out of fourpeople will win and be ahead on
the money that they've gambled.
Right, but 90% of those peoplegive it back to the casino.
So the casino for stuff forevery $100 that someone wins,
the casino makes $105 off ofsomebody else.
(14:02):
That's just a statistic that wecan't argue with, right?
It's just the way it is.
But for me, like I'll tell astory about myself which will be
embarrassing and it'll be fine,right, it might help somebody.
So my friend decided that forhis bachelor party, all he
wanted to do was go to AtlanticCity and go gambling.
(14:24):
So I went to him and I didn'tknow how to play blackjack.
I didn't know anything else.
We have a friend who's actuallya professional gambler.
He's actually on the tour,right, and so he taught me how
to play blackjack.
Never forgive him, because nowI'm stuck with this, right.
And so I sit down and I lose$100 within 20 minutes, right.
(14:44):
But now I think I know how toplay, but it cost me $100 to
learn.
So I go to the ATM machine, Iget another $100 out and I sit
down and I played for about twohours before I lost that $100.
But now I really know how toplay, right, so I go back and
get $200.
So I got to win the $200 back,right.
(15:06):
I kid you not, I sat at thattable all night and did not know
what time it was.
And so my friends came back thenext morning and they see me
sitting at the blackjack table,like hit, like half asleep, and
they look down and they see thatI've won a good deal of my
money back at this point, right,and it's because I got lucky.
(15:27):
It's not any skill here.
And they said have you beenhere all night?
I was like I don't know whattime is it.
They're like 9 am.
I'm like, yeah, maybe it's timeto go.
And they're like, yeah, and soI know my own compulsions, right
, that could be really dangerous.
So, like, like we could see youlosing your house, like, stop
this and that's intentional too,isn't it, that there are no
(15:49):
windows in?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
no casinos and no clocks and they pump oxygen in
to keep you alert.
Um, yeah, that's the pointexactly.
I've been down to jack becausethey have food in there late
night, when all the otherrestaurants are closed, so you
can go in there and buy foodthat's a cleveland casino for
those listening out of town.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But now add an online element to this.
Now you're by yourself.
You don't have your friendswatching you.
If I go to the casino now, Iset a limit on what I'm going to
spend, and I take my wife withme so that she will.
She puts a limit on what shespends.
Yeah, pretty much right, andwhat I'll do is, if I win any
(16:32):
money, I just hand it to her.
So now I'm not giving it back,I just take the winnings and I
hand it to her and keep playingwith their money.
Now, marion's chips yes, theseare Marion's and they don't go
anywhere else, and so that'sworked out nicely, and you can
put limits on your onlinegambling.
Like, if you're on let's takeDraftKings as an example you
could say I don't want to spendmore than $25 a week, and you
can, like, set that limit onthere.
(16:54):
But you're the one controllingthat.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, it's your credit card, that's there.
And then you're like I'm goingto go up and then you have a
drink and you're like more soyeah, we're promoting
responsible gambling by settingthese limits.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, but the person's controlling it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's just like me with my.
Instagram limits.
I have setting for Instagramthat limits my intake for the
day and yet I can hit 15 moreminutes or ignore for the day,
and it's very easy Well whenthey run commercials for alcohol
on TV or gambling, they alwayssay if you have a gambling
problem, do this, or if you havean alcohol.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But those folks who are having the problem, it's
very difficult not to do it.
So some people can do things inmoderation and others can't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, and everybody thinks they're the exception or
the rule.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right, I could handle it is a sign you probably can't
.
I've mentioned it before onthis show I'll go on.
If I do a novena, I'll go on afast, so just hard.
Nine days without any instagram.
That makes the entry back inhelpful because, wow, yeah, I
was doom scrolling or looking atreels or sending garris like 20
(17:59):
reels in 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
The other thing, too, with with gambling I think that
we forget, is unlike, um,unlike drugs or alcohol, uh,
gambling does.
You know you can't, you can'tstop a lot easier with gambling.
You know people don't stopunless they run out of money
yeah, rock bottom is out ofmoney, right yeah, yeah, like
people don't hit a wall the waythey overdose on drugs
dangerously right you know,obviously, but they but gambling
(18:23):
, they kind of can kind of keepgoing until you know have run
out of five credit cards, youknow.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And sometimes all those addictions come together
Because you ran out of money.
Then you hit the drugs to numbyourself or you hit the alcohol
and before you know it it getsout of hand.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh, and a stat for the Super Bowl.
I don't know if you know this,so let me ask it as a question.
What do you think the SuperBowl is the single highest day
for?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sex trafficking and prostitution.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
In the city that it's in.
That is actually a belief.
True, for the most part, but itwas something else that I was
thinking of.
Do you know?
Domestic violence.
It's the highest single day ofdomestic violence incidents in
the calendar year, almost everyyear.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
In the US.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I mean you think about it.
You know you lost a ton ofmoney.
You're in a high testosteronekind of environment.
You know you're probablydrinking if you're at a Super
Bowl party.
You know all those things fuel.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I also know that the highest like percentage
of domestic violence is betweennon-married partners.
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's also interesting , also interesting yeah, so
gambling could become anopportunity for sin if it gets
out of control.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
I think what's most important interms of any addiction and this
online stuff is it's so easy tohide everything and not let
anyone know what you're doing,which is why there's covenant
eyes for people who strugglewith pornography.
I don't know if there'ssomething for gambling, but
hopefully you have a good friend, spiritual director, therapist,
(19:47):
confessor where someone knowswhat's going on in your head and
in your heart and that, even ifyou have a confessor, that it's
not just you're confessingthese sins to assuage guilt.
You actually want to findanswers, healing too.
So find somebody who can holdyou accountable and you could
say dude, I spend this much timeon this, or I spend a lot of
(20:08):
money, or I did this that way.
You've named it.
Now you can deal with it, yeahso?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
and the other thing, this doesn't just affect the
user.
You know, pornography addictioncan affect families, can affect
marriages, can affect all kindsof things gambling addiction
the same thing, yeah and itperpetuates the people who are.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
if there's a desire for it, then people are going to
make it.
So people are being used, youknow Right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I know the guy who did the thing last night, the
priest who talked to us lastnight about pornography
addiction.
One of the reasons he got intothis was because one of his
students came to him and she hadbeen filmed by a partner and
then that video got distributedto everybody and he was like I'm
in in getting rid of this youknow, because he was just so
sick to his stomach over hisstudent getting abused in that
(20:51):
way.
So breaking news now.
So just a little update fromlast week.
So Pope Francis talked a littlebit about JD Vance's order on
Morris that we talked about lastweek.
So Pope Francis talked a littlebit about JD Vance's Ordo
Amoris that we talked about lastweek, and so he put out a
letter today.
I would say that you shouldread it.
I read it this morning, read itthis morning.
Yeah, one of the things it's 10points.
(21:17):
Yes, there's 10 points.
I'm looking for the one.
The true Ordo Amoris that mustbe promoted is that which we
discover by meditatingconstantly on the parable of the
Good Samaritan, that is, bymeditating on the love that
builds a fraternity open to allwithout exception.
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, our message last week was consistent with
that.
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And Jesus, by the way .
We forgot to say that last week.
The parable of the GoodSamaritan Jesus calls us to have
not only the folks that areclose to us.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But also who's right in front of you.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And the Good Samaritan finds somebody in a
ditch, that's the person who'sright in front of you.
Your order of love goes rightthere, right.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
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Speaker 3 (22:07):
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Speaker 1 (23:27):
All right Readings for this coming week.
Sick Sunday in Ordinary Time.
I like the first reading thisweek from Jeremiah.
Cursed is the one who trusts inhuman beings, who seeks his
strength in flesh, whose heartturns away from the Lord.
So it's sort of like what wewere just talking about now,
placing our trust in things thatare not of God, but instead,
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you know, trying to put ourtrust in things like odds.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, and our psalm talks about.
Blessed are they who hope inthe Lord.
With our, in our jubilee yearof hope, here it you know
blessed the man who follows notthe counsel of the wicked, nor
walks in the way of sinners, norsits in the company of the
insolent, but delights in thelaw of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I'll take the Beatitudes from the gospel.
They throw everything upsidedown.
You would think, if you arewealthy, or if you are satisfied
, or if you're super happy, theneverything's going well.
And we're told blessed are youwho are poor.
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Blessed are you who are nothungry?
Blessed are you who are nowweeping?
What we find in the Beatitudesis Jesus himself, who is both
God and man, was poor,experienced hunger, weeping, so
he embodies all those things andthen he finds himself in
solidarity with all of us whohave, so we don't lose hope when
we're going through hard timesand suffering.
I find the Beatitudes sohopeful and helpful, especially
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during this Jubilee year.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Very good Ignite Conference coming up on February
22nd.
That'll be at St Ignatius HighSchool.
If you've never been in theirchapel, that's where we'll have
our holy hour at that time, forwhen we have the holy hour at
about 3 o'clock on that Saturday.
So we'll have a holy hour, thenwe'll have a Eucharistic
procession from there to StPatrick's on Bridge.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I hope it snows, just so it would make for great
photography.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah right, exactly.
Higher degree of difficulty too, let's go baby Every pilgrimage
should be right.
So our church, church this week, the chapel at St Ignatius High
School and St Patrick's onBridge Check them both out
Awesome.
Francine Costini, thanks forjoining us.
Thanks for having me.
We'll see you all again nexttime here.
On Question of Faith, you.
On today's Question of Faith.
If my phone is causing me tosin, should I throw it out?
Hey everybody, this is Questionof Faith.
I'm Deacon Mike Hayes.
I am the Director of YoungAdult Ministry here in the
Diocese of Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Father Damian Ferencz, the Vicar for
Evangelization.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And I am Francine Costantini, the Director of
Youth Ministry for the Diocese.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome back to the show Francineantini, the
Director of Youth Ministry forthe Diocese.
Welcome back to the show,francine.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thank you, welcome back.
So a bunch of things today.
Super Bowl, by the way FlyEagles fly.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That was the worst Super Bowl I've ever watched in
my entire life.
It was so boring.
I mean, I wanted the Chiefs towin, but I really didn't care, I
just wanted a good game, and itwas miserable.
Yeah, it was just a blowout,and the commercials weren't even
that good.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, agreed Everything you know, just kind
of meh, and yet we still watched.
Oh yeah, we watched, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Anyways, a lot of people bet on that game.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
What was the spread?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Was it eight points or something?
I didn't look at that untilhalftime, which was I think it
was plus 16.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Or minus 16?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
for the Eagles, I should say, but they adjusted it
as the game went.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I wonder what it was before.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yes, so online gaming sites will give you the
opportunity to bet throughoutthe game, not just before the
game.
It used to be if you took theEagles plus three, the Eagles
will get three points added totheir score, if you understand
gambling.
But as the game goes on now,online betting sites will add to
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that.
They'll say okay, the otherteam's already up 10, so let's
make the spread 12 and see ifsomeone will take that bet,
which is designed for peoplelike me, with compulsive
personalities to bet on thesethings, and so, because I know
myself, I don't bet on thesethings.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I know myself I work too hard for my money and I
don't like to gamble.
I know myself I work too hardfor my money and I don't like to
gamble.
But it certainly is somethingthat you can do, not just at the
casino or in Vegas, but now youcan do this on your phone,
which is one of the reasons weasked the question.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And it's not just gambling, but it's pornography,
it's social media, it's allsorts of things that can be on
your phone, and we're gettingcloser to Lent now.
So what is a Catholic to do?
If you do have these struggles?
What's the response, francine,what's your experience been,
especially with young people andphones?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well with phones.
If you just look at, you canjust Google it and you'll find a
million different sites thatwill have charts that will show
the advent of the smartphone notjust the cell phone but the
smartphone and the increase insales of the smartphone and the
increase in mental healthdisorders in young people Like
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it's.
You can overlay those two linesand they're identical.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I know the break in generation from Generation Z to
what's called the AlphaGeneration is 2012.
And 2012 was the year that overhalf of Americans had a
smartphone.
And there's a couple of bookslike Abigail Schreier has one
and the Jonathan something orother.
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I forget.
I read both books last year,but it talks about spending more
time in recreation online thanin person, and that's a new
thing for a generation.
But it's not just youngerpeople.
There are older people too whospend a lot of their time on
their phone.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We just had a workshop on pornography last
night, actually, with thedeacons, and one of the things
that the presenter said to uswas that you know, there are
very well-meaning people whogive their older parent a device
in order to have them stayconnected more easily, you know,
through FaceTime or calls ortexts or whatever, and then they
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get curious after they start tolearn to use the phone and
they're becoming now the highestrate of people who are addicted
to pornography, online gambling, social media as well.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Especially if you are older and a widow and you're
lonely, yes, lonely right.
And you're finding connectionthere?
Yes, and it used to be the casethat if you wanted pornography
you had to work for it.
You had to go to the seedy partof town and find a magazine
somewhere.
Now you can be.
I talked to some priests whowere at that conference
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yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
They said the age that young people are first
coming across pornography is sixor seven on their phone now,
and that's the average.
That's the average, so thatmeans some people are doing it
younger than that.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Because a lot of the porn sites will target younger
audiences by having keywordsthat children would look for
lead them in a differentdirection.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, so it's not that the young people are going
out looking for it, it's lookingfor them.
It's looking for them.
Yeah, it's targeting them.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And then once they find them, they have ways of
keeping them there, you know interms of pornography.
So it will widen.
The arousal template is one ofthe things that Dr Carnes is one
of the experts in this area.
He said in the shadows of thenet is his book, where, you know
, you start to look at differentimages that you never saw
before and you didn't realizethat that was something that
would attract you and you'relike, oh never knew that that,
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that was something that wouldattract you and you're like, oh
never knew that.
And so now you keep going downthat road and you can find
videos that will only show youthe things that you want to see,
as opposed to going to get amagazine, where you might not
see anything that you'reattracted to.
So it has the ability to keepyou coming back more easily.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, and then isn't it true too, that the stuff you
look at can get weirder andweirder?
yeah, that's right, and you haveyoung men in their 20s who are
struggling with erectiledysfunction because they're
looking at all sorts of imagesthat no human being has ever had
the capacity to see all at once.
And now you to be with onewoman, monogamously married, can
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be very difficult for you.
So what do you do?
Do you throw your phone out?
Do we say, okay, this is enough, we have to get rid of all
phones?
Obviously, we can't do that,but there's got to be some way
that we can limit our intake andincrease our time in the real
world, with real people livingin a chaste, loving way, where
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we're not objectifying folks andsimply getting dopamine hits
all day.
So what are some ways to dothat?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think the family meal, I think the family meal is
so essential, even if thefamily is two people.
But or even if the family isone person.
I mean, how many of us have,you know, we have lunch by
ourselves and we're on our phonewhile we're doom scrolling
through lunch, but keeping thephone away from meals and
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keeping the phone out of bed,not scrolling on the phone at
night.
If you are lying in your bed,your bed is for sleeping or
reading or marital activities.
But not phone.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
True say it.
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And I think when we bring the phone everywhere it
becomes like I used to travel alot.
I still travel quite a bit, forwork sometimes and for family
and the airports are verydifferent now than they were
when I was younger and I wouldtravel.
You would meet interestingpeople in the airport.
You would just even look atinteresting people.
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You would see interesting dress, you would see interesting
things and you would peoplewatch at the airport and meet
interesting people On the planes.
You would have conversationswith folks and now everyone has
their headphones on and islooking at a screen and nobody
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is interacting with anyone else.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You're speaking in hyperbole because not nobody.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know, but I would say this that's true.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Here's my way to find interesting people in the
airport.
Find someone who's reading abook, because those are the
people that we that, because I,I read a lot and I love reading
in airports and on the plane.
And if you find someone who'sgot a book, that'll be an
interesting person for you totalk to.
Um, and it's also a yeah, it'slike hey, here's an indication
that I'm interested in having aconversation.
I'm interested in reading abook.
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I, if I'm interested in readinga book, I'll have a
conversation with you.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And I see this knowing the first thing I do
when I get on that plane is Iput my AirPods in Like I want
quiet, and so I actually don'teven have music on often.
It's just the noise canceling,but it also indicates that I'm
not open for conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You're literally putting plugs in your ears so
that other people don't maketheir way into your ear.
Yeah, now there can be theoccasional traveler who's
annoying as all get out, butsometimes I mean, I've had great
conversations on planes too,but sometimes I want to read and
don't want to talk to someone,right?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, and there's that right.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We all have different things.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Some people just want the world to go away on a plane
or you know, if you knowthere's a baby crying, you know
it's not see.
I find that that that's alwaysan opportunity too.
You know, it's like I rememberthere was a woman sitting next
to me and she and her littlefour-year-old was next to me and
she was like, oh you, poor manI'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, this
kid's going to scream the wholeflight and I was like no, no,
he'll be fine.
And so here's one where yourphone came in handy.
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Actually, I said you likedoggies.
I said to him, and he goes,yeah.
And so I started showing himpictures and videos of my dog
and he just drifted off to sleepafter about 10 seconds.
I was the hero for the day.
I mean, at the same time, Imean I was, you know, I felt bad
.
You know I was like, okay, thisis.
You know, I was ready to putthe headphones in.
I was like, oh, don't worry, Igot my headphones, he's not
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gonna bother me.
But you know, I took anopportunity instead to make a
friend.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This woman, um yeah good, no good, I was gonna say,
there's certainly some thingsthat are just by their nature
like, like evil pornography, soyou don't want to be looking at
that on your phone, but howabout social media?
or how about gambling?
Because these were a couple ofthings that we did want to talk
to.
I did a little bit of researchin the catechism, so Article
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2413, games of chance orgambling or wagers are not in
themselves contrary to justice,so that's good.
They become morallyunacceptable when they deprive
someone of what is necessary toprovide for his needs and those
of others.
So let's say you have a fatherof the family, or it could be a
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mother, but I think men gamblemore than women and gets his
paycheck and decides I know, Ihave to pay for groceries,
education, bills of the house.
However, I am going to gambleinstead and maybe, if I win,
I'll make more money.
Then, before you know it, themoney that was supposed to be
spent taking care of family hasbeen wasted.
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That's an act of injustice.
So in that way, or even if youdon't have a family, if you're,
the money that may need to go tothe poor can go in service.
So it is allowed to do somegambling for the sake of
entertainment.
The church isn't against that,but it could be a violation of
justice or an act of injustice,depending upon how much money is
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gambled and spent, and all that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Right, yeah, and the compulsion you know ends up
making it worse.
You know if you get addicted tothis stuff.
Now those things becomecommonplace for you.
You know you're where everyweek you go and throw your
paycheck down the sewer.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know and that's the next line in the Catechism
the passion for gambling risksbecoming an enslavement, and we
human beings are made to be free, not slaves, and we can become
slaves to all sorts of thingsdrink, money, sex power,
popularity, all these things.
So we want to avoid that forthe sake of being free.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Right, yeah, and I think just taking that notion of
entertainment and having asense of how much is in my
budget for entertainment andthis is how I'm going to spend
my money, it's a differentperspective on gambling.
It's not I'm trying to winmoney, I'm trying to make more
money than I have and I thinkthis is a calculated risk If you
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look at gambling, becausethere's a reason.
All the companies are makingall the money and want you to
gamble.
It's because they're making themoney not you, not me and so
having that mindset of this ishow I'm spending my fun money,
Just like if I was going to goout to a restaurant, if I was
going to go out to see a movie.
I'm going to spend my moneydoing this because I find this
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entertaining, If you have it inthat category.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, that's what I do with concerts.
I love live music.
I love going to shows.
I go by myself sometimes and Ido meet strangers there, but
also I go with good friends.
I like to get a meal beforehand, see the show, then unpack the
show afterward.
The thing about a concert to mewhich is different than
gambling is you always winbecause you know what you're
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going to see your favoriteartist and then at the end you
think it's over.
No, they come out and play moresongs for you and you're like,
yeah, winning, winning.
So, yeah, that's in moderation.
You know we're getting back tovirtue here.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Exactly I mean.
So I know a little bit aboutgambling, so I enjoy playing
blackjack and gambling.
So I enjoy playing blackjackand I enjoy occasionally making
a wager on a sporting event,maybe, but in general I would
say now this is just going to acasino.
We'll add the online element tothis in a second right.
So, going to a casino,everybody in the casino I think
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it's 75% of the people who willbe in the casino at some point
will be up.
So that's three out of fourpeople will win and be ahead on
the money that they've gambled.
Right, but 90% of those peoplegive it back to the casino.
So the casino for stuff forevery $100 that someone wins,
the casino makes $105 off ofsomebody else.
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That's just a statistic that wecan't argue with, right?
It's just the way it is.
But for me, like I'll tell astory about myself which will be
embarrassing and it'll be fine,right, it might help somebody.
So my friend decided that forhis bachelor party, all he
wanted to do was go to AtlanticCity and go gambling.
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So I went to him and I didn'tknow how to play blackjack.
I didn't know anything else.
We have a friend who's actuallya professional gambler.
He's actually on the tour,right, and so he taught me how
to play blackjack.
Never forgive him, because nowI'm stuck with this, right.
And so I sit down and I lose$100 within 20 minutes, right.
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But now I think I know how toplay, but it cost me $100 to
learn.
So I go to the ATM machine, Iget another $100 out and I sit
down and I played for about twohours before I lost that $100.
But now I really know how toplay, right, so I go back and
get $200.
So I got to win the $200 back,right.
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I kid you not, I sat at thattable all night and did not know
what time it was.
And so my friends came back thenext morning and they see me
sitting at the blackjack table,like hit, like half asleep, and
they look down and they see thatI've won a good deal of my
money back at this point, right,and it's because I got lucky.
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It's not any skill here.
And they said have you beenhere all night?
I was like I don't know whattime is it.
They're like 9 am.
I'm like, yeah, maybe it's timeto go.
And they're like, yeah, and soI know my own compulsions, right
, that could be really dangerous.
So, like, like we could see youlosing your house, like, stop
this and that's intentional too,isn't it, that there are no
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windows in?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
no casinos and no clocks and they pump oxygen in
to keep you alert.
Um, yeah, that's the pointexactly.
I've been down to jack becausethey have food in there late
night, when all the otherrestaurants are closed, so you
can go in there and buy foodthat's a cleveland casino for
those listening out of town.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But now add an online element to this.
Now you're by yourself.
You don't have your friendswatching you.
If I go to the casino now, Iset a limit on what I'm going to
spend, and I take my wife withme so that she will.
She puts a limit on what shespends.
Yeah, pretty much right, andwhat I'll do is, if I win any
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money, I just hand it to her.
So now I'm not giving it back,I just take the winnings and I
hand it to her and keep playingwith their money.
Now, marion's chips yes, theseare Marion's and they don't go
anywhere else, and so that'sworked out nicely, and you can
put limits on your onlinegambling.
Like, if you're on let's takeDraftKings as an example you
could say I don't want to spendmore than $25 a week, and you
can, like, set that limit onthere.
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But you're the one controllingthat.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, it's your credit card, that's there.
And then you're like I'm goingto go up and then you have a
drink and you're like more soyeah, we're promoting
responsible gambling by settingthese limits.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, but the person's controlling it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It's just like me with my.
Instagram limits.
I have setting for Instagramthat limits my intake for the
day and yet I can hit 15 moreminutes or ignore for the day,
and it's very easy Well whenthey run commercials for alcohol
on TV or gambling, they alwayssay if you have a gambling
problem, do this, or if you havean alcohol.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But those folks who are having the problem, it's
very difficult not to do it.
So some people can do things inmoderation and others can't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, and everybody thinks they're the exception or
the rule.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right, I could handle it is a sign you probably can't
.
I've mentioned it before onthis show I'll go on.
If I do a novena, I'll go on afast, so just hard.
Nine days without any instagram.
That makes the entry back inhelpful because, wow, yeah, I
was doom scrolling or looking atreels or sending garris like 20
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reels in 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
The other thing, too, with with gambling I think that
we forget, is unlike, um,unlike drugs or alcohol, uh,
gambling does.
You know you can't, you can'tstop a lot easier with gambling.
You know people don't stopunless they run out of money
yeah, rock bottom is out ofmoney, right yeah, yeah, like
people don't hit a wall the waythey overdose on drugs
dangerously right you know,obviously, but they but gambling
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, they kind of can kind of keepgoing until you know have run
out of five credit cards, youknow.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And sometimes all those addictions come together
Because you ran out of money.
Then you hit the drugs to numbyourself or you hit the alcohol
and before you know it it getsout of hand.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh, and a stat for the Super Bowl.
I don't know if you know this,so let me ask it as a question.
What do you think the SuperBowl is the single highest day
for?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sex trafficking and prostitution.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
In the city that it's in.
That is actually a belief.
True, for the most part, but itwas something else that I was
thinking of.
Do you know?
Domestic violence.
It's the highest single day ofdomestic violence incidents in
the calendar year, almost everyyear.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
In the US.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I mean you think about it.
You know you lost a ton ofmoney.
You're in a high testosteronekind of environment.
You know you're probablydrinking if you're at a Super
Bowl party.
You know all those things fuel.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I also know that the highest like percentage
of domestic violence is betweennon-married partners.
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's also interesting , also interesting yeah, so
gambling could become anopportunity for sin if it gets
out of control.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
I think what's most important interms of any addiction and this
online stuff is it's so easy tohide everything and not let
anyone know what you're doing,which is why there's covenant
eyes for people who strugglewith pornography.
I don't know if there'ssomething for gambling, but
hopefully you have a good friend, spiritual director, therapist,
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confessor where someone knowswhat's going on in your head and
in your heart and that, even ifyou have a confessor, that it's
not just you're confessingthese sins to assuage guilt.
You actually want to findanswers, healing too.
So find somebody who can holdyou accountable and you could
say dude, I spend this much timeon this, or I spend a lot of
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money, or I did this that way.
You've named it.
Now you can deal with it, yeahso?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
and the other thing, this doesn't just affect the
user.
You know, pornography addictioncan affect families, can affect
marriages, can affect all kindsof things gambling addiction
the same thing, yeah and itperpetuates the people who are.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
if there's a desire for it, then people are going to
make it.
So people are being used, youknow Right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I know the guy who did the thing last night, the
priest who talked to us lastnight about pornography
addiction.
One of the reasons he got intothis was because one of his
students came to him and she hadbeen filmed by a partner and
then that video got distributedto everybody and he was like I'm
in in getting rid of this youknow, because he was just so
sick to his stomach over hisstudent getting abused in that
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way.
So breaking news now.
So just a little update fromlast week.
So Pope Francis talked a littlebit about JD Vance's order on
Morris that we talked about lastweek.
So Pope Francis talked a littlebit about JD Vance's Ordo
Amoris that we talked about lastweek, and so he put out a
letter today.
I would say that you shouldread it.
I read it this morning, read itthis morning.
Yeah, one of the things it's 10points.
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Yes, there's 10 points.
I'm looking for the one.
The true Ordo Amoris that mustbe promoted is that which we
discover by meditatingconstantly on the parable of the
Good Samaritan, that is, bymeditating on the love that
builds a fraternity open to allwithout exception.
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, our message last week was consistent with
that.
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And Jesus, by the way .
We forgot to say that last week.
The parable of the GoodSamaritan Jesus calls us to have
not only the folks that areclose to us.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
But also who's right in front of you.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And the Good Samaritan finds somebody in a
ditch, that's the person who'sright in front of you.
Your order of love goes rightthere, right.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, perfect, okay.
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Speaker 3 (22:07):
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
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Speaker 2 (22:14):
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Speaker 2 (22:35):
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They've done such superb workwith our friends at Theology of
the Body, Cleveland and St JohnCancius Parish in Tremont, and
we'll put samples of that workin our show notes.
Make it easier for Francine tocheck out and for you, our
listeners, to check out too.
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Speaker 1 (23:27):
All right Readings for this coming week.
Sick Sunday in Ordinary Time.
I like the first reading thisweek from Jeremiah.
Cursed is the one who trusts inhuman beings, who seeks his
strength in flesh, whose heartturns away from the Lord.
So it's sort of like what wewere just talking about now,
placing our trust in things thatare not of God, but instead,
(23:47):
you know, trying to put ourtrust in things like odds.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, and our psalm talks about.
Blessed are they who hope inthe Lord.
With our, in our jubilee yearof hope, here it you know
blessed the man who follows notthe counsel of the wicked, nor
walks in the way of sinners, norsits in the company of the
insolent, but delights in thelaw of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I'll take the Beatitudes from the gospel.
They throw everything upsidedown.
You would think, if you arewealthy, or if you are satisfied
, or if you're super happy, theneverything's going well.
And we're told blessed are youwho are poor.
(24:29):
Blessed are you who are nothungry?
Blessed are you who are nowweeping?
What we find in the Beatitudesis Jesus himself, who is both
God and man, was poor,experienced hunger, weeping, so
he embodies all those things andthen he finds himself in
solidarity with all of us whohave, so we don't lose hope when
we're going through hard timesand suffering.
I find the Beatitudes sohopeful and helpful, especially
(24:51):
during this Jubilee year.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Very good Ignite Conference coming up on February
22nd.
That'll be at St Ignatius HighSchool.
If you've never been in theirchapel, that's where we'll have
our holy hour at that time, forwhen we have the holy hour at
about 3 o'clock on that Saturday.
So we'll have a holy hour, thenwe'll have a Eucharistic
procession from there to StPatrick's on Bridge.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I hope it snows, just so it would make for great
photography.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah right, exactly.
Higher degree of difficulty too, let's go baby Every pilgrimage
should be right.
So our church, church this week, the chapel at St Ignatius High
School and St Patrick's onBridge Check them both out
Awesome.
Francine Costini, thanks forjoining us.
Thanks for having me.
We'll see you all again nexttime here.
On Question of Faith, you.
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