May 13, 2025 • 35 mins
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Pope Leo XIV, born Robert Francis Prevost in Chicago, becomes the first American pope in Church history, bringing a unique blend of Augustinian spirituality, canon law expertise, and pastoral experience from his years serving the poor in Peru.
• White smoke appeared lunchtime (EST) on Thursday, signaling a relatively quick conclave.
• Pope Leo chose his name after Leo XIII, known for social justice teaching.
• His first words as pope were "Peace be with you," signaling a focus on unity.
• Both traditionalists and progressives have responded positively to his election.
• As an Augustinian, he comes from a religious order and will bring his order's perspective to the papacy.
• His American accent and Midwestern English create a new sound for papal addresses.
• He combines elements of his predecessors: Francis's concern for the poor with Benedict's academic approach.
• His living brothers in Chicago and Florida offer a humanizing glimpse into his family life.
• Early indications suggest he'll be a unifying figure while continuing Francis's mission in a "more buttoned-up" style.
• He's already begun peace initiatives, meeting with Ukraine's president shortly after his election.
Let us pray for Pope Leo XIV as he begins his pontificate, that the Lord will guide him in leading the Church through whatever hardships may come.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who would you be very surprised to see?
I don't think it'll be anAmerican.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'll just say that I don't think it'll be an American
.
Yeah, I was going in the samedirection.
I said I'd be very surprised ifit would be an American.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
There's some other guy I never heard of, but I just
heard of him the other day andhe was a nuncio in Peru and he's
an American that no one talkedabout.
So I guess— Prevost is his name, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, he was seen going into Cardinal Burke's
apartment the other dayapparently.
So, who knows what that means.
It means maybe it's his friend.
It means it might be his friend.
That's right.
That's what I said to someonetoo.
All right, long conclave shortconclave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I think medium, I think probably two or three days
.
I don't think it'll take themtoo long.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So if it's Wednesday, you think by Friday or Saturday
, yeah, I think.
Friday, but you think, by theend of the day Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
They'll have a ballot on Thursday.
Well, we were close.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We at least said his name Did you say his name or did
I say his name?
You said his name.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Actually, I said his name.
You said that it was anAmerican from Peru.
He was living in Peru.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But I said I thought he was a nuncio.
He wasn't a nuncio, he wasactually a bishop, but we were
on the trail to something.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I at least had the right day, but had everything
else wrong, including the name.
But anyway, hi folks, this isQuestion of Faith.
I'm Deacon Mike Hayes.
I'm the director of young adultministry here in the Diocese of
Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm Father Damian Ferencz, the vicar for
evangelization.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I am Emily Olin, director of archives for the
Diocese of Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So the two of you were together when the papal
announcement happened.
I was in Akron at a all-dayteam building exercise with our
esteemed colleague Kathy Gohler.
Fortunately for us, thishappened during lunch.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I saw like a meme or something that was like nice of
the Cardinals to like plan thisall so that everybody in North
America was at lunch when theannouncement went up.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I had the noon mass at the cathedral across the
street and the day before thatI had no.
The day before I had prayed theprayers for the election of a
pope, which is pretty cool.
The church thinks of everything.
So we still hadn't had a popeby noon on Thursday.
So as I began the mass, signedmyself the Lord, be with you,
with your spirit.
(02:17):
I said, folks, there's still nowhite smoke, we don't have a
pope.
So we're going to pray theseprayers one more time with the
hope of having having a pope.
And then, you know, let us.
We did the whatever theconfiteor and then prayed.
And then, after communion, I wasover at the credence table
purifying my chalice and SteveOtlowski from the cathedral
(02:37):
comes over and he goes Father,I'm like, get out.
Who he goes, we don't know.
But we have a Pope and thewhite smoke is coming.
So I finished purifying, wentback to my chair, let us pray,
did the prayer after communionand I said, hey, everybody, our
prayers worked.
Habemus Papam, we have a Pope,we don't know who it is yet, but
there's white smoke.
So after the blessing, go homeand turn on your TV and see what
(03:01):
it is.
So it was really cool and theneventually I had lunch and I was
watching.
I think we all were.
We thought it would happen alittle sooner.
Joe Kronauer texts me becauseJoe runs my Daily Prayers and he
asked if I would come over andwe could record some new prayers
or new intros for Friday andSaturday, since we had a Pope
and I said sure, and they wereover in this building.
(03:24):
What is that building?
We're in the hoban room.
Hoban room where there's a bigtv and it was most of the
communications team.
Emily was there and a few otherpeople, and that's when we
waited together and then thearchbishop, or whoever, came out
.
What is his name?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
he's got, I think, isn't it the Cardinal Deacon?
Yes, whatever.
Yeah, the Cardinal Deacon, Idon't know, I don't know
anything.
The Habemus Popham guy, that'shis new name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So he came out and then I heard Prevost and I said
American and he was likeAmerican.
And then I heard in whatever itwas in Latin or Italian, the
14th.
And then I rewound and heard inmy memory Leo the 14th.
So it was Leo the sorry, leothe 14th.
(04:10):
And then that's when we werelike Leo the 14th but we went
nuts because he was an Americanand who thought we were going to
get an American.
We even said last week wedidn't think it was possible.
We started the show with thatlittle clip.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
John Paul II died when I was in the fourth grade,
and so I was like I was likecognizant enough to like ask
questions and I rememberwatching all the coverage and I
asked my dad, because I'm prettysure it was when did dolan
become a cardinal?
Because I'm pretty sure theythrew him up on the screen when,
yeah, when that was a whileafter, was it?
There must have been someamerican papacy.
(04:42):
I'm pretty sure there must havebeen some American.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was during the Benedict papacy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I'm pretty sure there must have been some American.
They threw up on the screen andI was like, oh my gosh, like
Dad, could we ever have it?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And he said, no, no we'll never have an American as
a pope.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So I had the distinct pleasure of texting my family
and saying Dad was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
There was an American who's pope Almost everyone was
wrong and most of the time whenand even Cardinal Dolan and the
other guys said this when theAmerican cardinals would get
together, prevost wasn't in thatgroup.
No Even though he's born inChicago.
He's a religious order priestand spent most of his ministry
in Peru, so that makes sense.
(05:17):
But he certainly is American,as we found out all week.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, here's something really cool.
So my friend Nick Stein worksfor the Bon Secours Sisters and
so they have a place in Peru,and so he called them and said,
hey do you know the Pope.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And they were like yes, we know the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Pope.
He is amazing.
He was part of the poorestparish that was here.
When he was here, he was sohumble and so wonderful.
We've been jumping for joy allafternoon.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It was for joey all afternoon.
That's great.
So it was great to hear alittle inside there the, the
seminarians from his homediocese in peru, when they, when
they and not made theannouncement, just went nuts.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So, so fun it was very cool.
Yeah, it was, it was.
It was nuts joanne.
Uh, pietraski and I weretogether at the uh at the event
that we're at and uh, waitingfor the announcement, and she
looked at me, she, she wasinsistent that it was going to
be on Friday.
She was like there's no waywe're going to have a Pope today
, it's going to be on Saturday.
Nope today, it ends today.
And she was like no, it's not.
(06:12):
And we're going back and forthlike two 13-year-olds.
Oh, my goodness, you calledsecond.
Was that like?
I was thinking that, like oneballot is two votes.
So like there's a session in themorning and a session in the
evening, so I thought by theevening session it would be over
.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And they had three on yes, okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
because the first day they onlyhad one vote right, correct,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then it's two and two Okay, but yeah.
And then it's two and two, okay, but yeah.
I mean, similar to the Franciselection, the same number
balance there, so you knowthey're getting good at this.
If nothing else, wait was PopeFrancis five, I believe.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So yeah, I don't remember, but it was what Katie
Prejean McCready kept calling it, cardinal Camp.
Right, like they had like awhole week's worth of meetings
to, like you know, kind of likego, because Cardinal Dolan even
said in the press conference,like people are coming up to me
like do you know, do you knowRobert Prevost?
And he's like who?
Like he had no idea who he was,and so it helps.
(07:18):
You know the Cardinals get toknow each other and that sort of
thing, so I think that helpstoo, right, so they can do a lot
of.
You know all that campaigningcan be done the week before, and
then you know you get in, getout, get going.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, determining the needs of the church, where we
need to be led and the kind ofperson to do it.
So it was awesome.
You adopted a cardinal, didn'tyou say that, deacon Mike Pete
Sabama yeah, and that we arepraying for this.
So the whole universal church,like 1.4 billion Catholics, plus
(07:53):
people who weren't evenCatholic tuning in.
It was wonderful.
Pr for the church Like this isus at our best.
It's good news, joyful, hopefulnews, and people were really
excited, and one of the greattakeaways for me thus far has
been the unification that seemsto be taking place.
(08:16):
At least early reports are that, and my evidence is Cardinal
Burke is very happy and FatherJames Martin SJ is very happy,
and usually James Martin SJ isvery happy.
And usually those two guys don't.
They're not happy about thesame thing.
And the fact that they are ispretty good.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, one of the things I was taking away from
this.
I heard somebody say this theother day and I can't remember
who it was, so whoever said this, I'm sorry for not giving you
credit, but they said thinkabout, we just took 133 guys.
(08:54):
Guys, put them in a room withno social media, no access to
the news.
They just had to sit there andbe with each other and they may
have just changed the world whenyou think about it not to
mention that how many differentlanguages are spoken?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
and they couldn't all not all of them do speak
Italian, so I think they hadlike 13 different groups and
they were trying to find commonlanguage and all that.
But it's possible.
And I loved hearing theaccounts from the Cardinals of
how serious they took their job,especially when they had to
look, and how important art isto the Christian life.
Looking at Michelangelo's lastjudgment and knowing that this
(09:26):
weighs heavy on their soul, howthey voted and they had to vote
about the man that they prayedfor most, who thought they would
be the best leader I thought itwas beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, it's got to weigh heavy on everybody.
I know a lot of the guys aresaying man, I wrote that name
down, I went over there and Iplaced on the patent.
I was like, whoa, yeah, this isa big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Pretty awesome, because you have to say
something too, isn't it?
Something like you know youswear before God and it's just
like if you're doing that,that's some serious stuff right
there.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
As you're looking up at Christ the judge and knowing
that in the corner there's animage of a Monsignor who's in
hell in his casket oh, there areno accidents in the church.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They painted it like that for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Exactly With donkey ears.
Yes, I think, yeah, I thinkthat's right.
So what do we expect?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, what do we expect from this Pope?
Well, he's an Augustinian andhe's a canon lawyer, so those
are two things that we couldexplore a little bit.
So Augustine's thought is goingto be in there, and he started
out by talking about both peaceand a lot of Francis words is
what I heard and a lot ofAugustine words is what I heard.
(10:35):
So I was like that's prettygood.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And he came out with a prepared text, which is not
something we've seen before.
So I think he'll be moredeliberate One of the words a
little more calm and steady interms of his preparation, and
that's the canon lawyer in him,it seems to me that you're very
careful with what you're goingto say.
Even his second homily wasfilled with all sorts of
(10:59):
references.
But I also think of him so faras a synthesizer, in the same
way that when you read ThomasAquinas, you read every thinker
that references Pope Francis andJohn Paul II.
He had Paul VI Crozier out theother day for a mass.
(11:31):
He took the name after Leo XIII.
He's a successor in terms oflineage and he already
referenced Rerum Novarum, so Ithink a lot of nods to everybody
that's come before and he'sgoing to be showing us the
tradition of the church andconsistency throughout, and I
(11:51):
think that's really exciting.
I also will say that I'm reallyhappy that he studied at the
Angelicum, so that's where Ialso got my doctorate.
His was in canon law, notphilosophy, but so happy that
he's an American and to hear himspeak Midwestern English is
still like what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I'm thrilled about the whole thing Not to knock
Pope Francis at all, because Ido still love Pope Francis, but
I don't think I realized howmuch in my heart I needed to
hear the Pope speak English.
Like you know, in his homily,when he addressed the cardinals
first in English, I was like, ohmy goodness, like I haven't
(12:31):
heard the Holy Father speak mylanguage in so long.
Not that I have any memory ofBenedict speaking English,
because I wasn't really payingattention.
to be perfectly honest, right, Iwas still a kid, but I've like
looked up like footage of JohnPaul II speaking English,
because I wasn't really payingattention.
To be perfectly honest, right,I was still a kid, but I've
looked up footage of John PaulII speaking English.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I heard him speaking English in both Central Park and
Toronto.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, he struggled with it.
He did he would do a little bit, and I remember when he would
use Eucharistic Prayer 2, whichis what I would do in Italian,
because it's shorter, shorteryeah.
But we've never heard a bishopor a pope speak English without
an accent.
So even John Paul would be like.
Young people turn to Christ andBenedict's accent his English
(13:16):
was great, but it was with aGerman accent.
So, it's different.
The nice thing about having anaccent, though, is if someone
has an accent, they know otherlanguages, and a lot of times
people will say, oh is, ifsomeone has an accent, they know
other languages.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And a lot of times people will say, oh, they're not
American.
Yeah, but they know a lot ofother languages and there's a
lot more to being human thanbeing an American, and I love
the United States of America,but this guy has had a worldly
experience.
So I think he has threecitizenships the United States,
peru and then Vatican.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
City and then Vatican City.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
yeah, right so not to mention all the travels that he
did around the world being thehead of the Augustinian order.
So seeing all these cultures,seeing how the church works in
different countries, is reallyan important thing.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, and when we talk about continuity, I think
you know we talk about all thepopes that came before him, you
know I mean that includes PopeFrancis now, as think you know
we talked about all the popesthat came before him.
You know I mean that includesPope Francis now as well.
You know, and so you know whenwe think about that whole thing.
I heard a lot of Francis'language in his first thing.
I don't know if you heard theaddress he did to journalists,
which I thought was reallyoutstanding talking about.
We can't be, you know, we can'tbe divided on a lot of unity
(14:23):
message.
We can't be, you know,screaming at each other.
We have to bring peopletogether.
He's going to really unify us alittle bit more, I think, than
maybe some others have.
I think what my friend NickStein, who's from the National
Institute for Ministry for YoungAdults.
We were talking all afternoonand he said I think he'll be a
more buttoned-up Francis, whichI thought was a good way to put
(14:46):
it, and that doesn't mean stuffy.
More refined, more refined ormore deliberate I think More
deliberate in his thoughts willbe all thought out before he
releases them to the public.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And that's very much like Benedict.
That's where the academic sidecomes out too, and the canon
lawyer side comes out as well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, but that's what I've been saying too is that I
think he'll be a little bit moreof a palatable version of
Francis for the people whodidn't necessarily enjoy Pope
Francis.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think that he's going to move forward in the
spirit of Francis in a way thatisn't going to push as many
buttons as Pope Francis pushedand, by the same token, I think
it will be similar to the twoother, to the last two popes who
people didn't, some peopledidn't like them.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Right, exactly, Okay.
He'll be a more palatableversion of Benedict.
If everybody likes you andyou're the pope, you're doing a
bad job.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, and it's interesting again to see how
he's like John Paul, how he'slike Benedict and how he's like
Francis and how he's not.
He's his own man.
So he's wearing the black pantsand the black scuffed shoes.
That's very Francis.
He's moving back into theApostolic Palace, which is where
Benedict and John Paul livedbefore and again, I mentioned
(16:00):
this last week.
It's not ornate, it's in adifferent place.
Pope Francis was very much acommunity man and liked to be
part of that, and so he had hisreasons for doing that.
But you don't have to doeverything that the guy before
you did and you can show thathere.
This was a great thing thatPaul VI offered.
(16:21):
Here's a great thing John PaulII Like show off the tradition
in your own way.
That's how it ought to be.
You don't want a carbon copy ofsomeone who can't be for it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Exactly and you said this last week too that some
folks are, you know, maybe alittle more introverted, need
some more time alone, or PopeFrancis needed to be around,
people all the time.
That gave him energy and madehim relaxed and he saw people
all the time in the elevator andat meals and the morning mass
and things like that and, beinga person who lived in community
for most of his life, that wasprobably important to him.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, and there's a prophetic role to well Christian
discipleship by our baptismpriest, prophet and king.
But there's certainly aprophetic role to being pope,
and just because you don't likesomeone doesn't mean they're
necessarily doing somethingwrong or bad, and that's true of
all popes.
But I think one of the thingsthat Pope Francis did best was
(17:12):
he got people to pay attentionto the church that didn't pay
attention before and he madepeople feel included who weren't
included before.
And I'm thinking in particularof the way that when he would
plan his visits, he was going toparts of the world where there
was not a high population ofCatholics and sometimes only
(17:36):
5,000.
Why would he spend his timegoing there?
Because these are the peoplethat are often forgotten and I'm
bringing them in.
I was talking with one of myFilipino priest friends
yesterday and he was saying, ohmy gosh, what that meant to
people in these parts of theworld was fantastic.
And I know that in a lot of thework we've done here over the
last few years in terms ofparish life and evangelization,
(17:58):
making sure that we're not justtapping the wealthiest suburban
parishes in the diocese there's184 of them and to get out to
Wayne County and to Ashland andall the way out to Lorain and
the far end of like Madison inLake County and in St Patrick's
and Thompson and some of theseparishes that are forgotten and
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some of the parishes in the citywhere it's easy just to tap,
the parishes that are big, havehuge staffs and have a lot of
money, but don't forget abouteverybody else.
And I think Pope Francis didthat well and now that we have
Pope Leo, who's also worked withthe poor and those on the
margins, he's going to continuethat but, as you say, in a more
(18:41):
buttoned up or refined way andmaybe be able to better
articulate what Pope Francis wasdoing, so that more people can
get on board and say that makessense to me, because what I'm
seeing is maybe not the extremeright and the extreme left
They'll never be happy but thosewho are coloring within the
(19:05):
lines of the church.
Again, when I mentionedCardinal Burke and I mentioned
Father James Martin at SJ, whenthey're both excited about the
new Holy Father, that makes mehappy, because now there's like
a unification where there oughtto be a unification, and both
ought to be comforted and bothought to be challenged, because
we don't want our religion justto make us feel comfortable all
(19:27):
the time and everything's great.
It should challenge us to thinkdifferently and to have our
hearts stretched, which hurtssometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think, too, that one of the things he's going to
do is empower others.
In some ways, he's very good atbringing people together and
directing them, like puttingpeople in the right place and so
I think he's going to be likeokay, I need you to go do this,
cardinal.
I need this, you know, to bedone in this diocese.
I need this to be done here.
(19:58):
I need everybody to do this.
What role can you play here?
I think he's going to be reallygood at putting people in the
right places and giving themvery intentional direction.
You know to say, okay, this iswhat we're going to need.
We're all on the same page.
Okay, let's go.
Let's move now.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, a bishop's job is this order of charisms
determine what people are goodat and get them in the right
places so they can flourish.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Good job for an Augustinian.
Yeah, order is order, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And even our Bishop Molesik.
I think people may not knowthis about him, but one of his
greatest gifts is finding peoplewho are and getting them in the
right places so that they canflourish, and taking time to
discern all that.
That's really good.
Yeah, that's great, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you know he's at it already and I know he had a
meeting with the President ofUkraine the other day, so he's
already starting on his peacetour a little bit saying let's
get people together.
That was very comforting to me,the first words that he came up
with.
In fact, I meant to ask thatquestion last week.
What do you think the firstwords of the new pope would be?
And Christy, I know I'd saidbefore she goes, I have no idea.
(21:03):
If you ask me that question,I'm not going to know what to
say.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So peace be to you all.
Peace be with you.
Peace be with you Peace be withyou.
And then he talked about therisen Christ and the good
shepherd.
And I know that because Iquoted him in my homily this
past weekend and he mentionedpeace an awful lot.
So I think that may be so early.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, the 13th too was a peacemaker, pope in some
ways with Rerum Novarum.
And you know, at that time, atthe world's history, in that
time too, you know, there werelots of calls for peace.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I've decided in September I'm going to do a book
study on Rerum Novarum, and I'malso going to end every book
study with the Michael theArchangel prayer, because Leo
XIII wrote that too.
I mean that guy was prolific.
The Ligonine Prayer Show.
Yeah, it's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And we could do this on another show.
But even the fact that he hastwo siblings, one in Chicago and
then the other in Florida, andthey keep interviewing these
guys and they're so human andit's like here's the Pope and
this is what siblings look like,and it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's so funny, it is, I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I don't know if you guys know a comedian.
Her name is Jen Kirkman.
Yes, I do.
She used to be on Drunk Historyand I follow her online.
She's pretty funny.
But she posted something theother day that like she's very
into this news of the Pope and Idon't think she's an active
Catholic but I do think all thisgood attention and even the way
(22:29):
that the Vatican does all itsformality and the pomp and
circumstance and I'm not a bigpomp and circumstance guy, but
there are times to do thingsformally and to look good and we
do that really well thetradition is beautiful.
Even the Sistine Chapel it'sthe best outfits, the best art,
like Catholicism has theaesthetic vibe going on.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
When you mentioned his brothers.
I'm sitting watching thebrother in Florida who said that
, well, okay, I'm waiting forhim to come out.
I'm waiting.
I'm like, oh, come on, justtell me who the pope is.
And then he comes out and hegoes and it's Rob.
And my reaction was oh God,it's Rob.
Am I going to have to change myway of life?
I'm like only a brother couldmake this about him.
(23:12):
He goes, and then all of asudden it hits me.
I'm like, yay, it's Rob.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Then he said he goes, yeah.
And when I see him they saidwhat are you going to do?
He goes I'll probably just belike you, idiot, what did you do
?
And then I'll take off his hatand give him a noogie.
But I think it's really humanand it's healthy, because with
John Paul, his family was alldead by the time he was 20.
And Benedict had a brother whowas a priest.
That's right.
But that was kind of like oh, hehas a brother, and I don't know
(23:44):
if we was there anything weknew about Francis's family,
were they all deceased as well?
I think they were all deceased,yeah.
So this is fairly unprecedented, at least for a modern papacy
and this type of media-drivenculture where we're actually
able to get to his brothers.
Sorry, Emily, I cut you off.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's okay.
No, I was just going to say I'mstill.
The thing that I'm laughingabout the most is so you know
the sibling dynamic.
So Pope Leo is the youngest ofhis brothers, right, and I'm
still laughing about when hismiddle brother called him back
on the iPad.
First words out of Pope Leo'smouth are why don't you answer
your phone?
Which is what my younger sistersays to me after I've called
(24:18):
her back, after she's called melike 20 times, and it just, yeah
, it cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And with brothers like these, he's on the air Like
there's a camera rolling and hejust answers his phone and the
Pope's like why don't?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
you answer?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
his phone, he goes.
You should know you're on theair right now.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He just like you can feel how uncomfortable it is and
he just like shuts down.
He's like right now, you sureyeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Turn that iPad away from the camera, but you know
the next conversation is likedon't ever do that again.
Right, exactly with, withbrothers, like this was like
when bishop just comes out witha grocery bag of family photos.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm like this guy's totally just like, like.
I feel like this is my fit,like this is you know I'm never
gonna get elected pope.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Praise the lord, but like if that were happened, you
know, I just picture my grandmapulling out all of the photo
albums and like setting them onher kitchen table and it reminds
me so much of bishop woos, whenhe went to tell his brother tom
, father tom, that he was, uh,named bishop and his first
reaction was does this mean youget to be buried in the
cathedral?
So I'm like with brothers likethese come on.
(25:25):
No, not.
Congratulations, that's great.
Are you going to get buried inthe cathedral?
Thanks for fast-forwarding tomy death, it's just wonderful.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
What do you think his first encyclical is going to be
?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I mean, maybe something onartificial intelligence.
He's talked about that.
You know, technology withchanges in technology.
We've done Leo XIII's papacyand now changes in technology in
our time, so I think that mightbe one thing.
Have we had one about peacerecently Probably.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Pachamon Terrace wasn't recent, but could be.
I was thinking maybe someAugustinian-themed thing like
Our Hearts Are Restless, oh yeah, could be good, and then?
Show we're restless for God andalso for real human interaction
and not just online or digitalstuff.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know, you could even use the conclave as a
backdrop, in that what we weresaying before is that you know,
hey, we gather all these people.
We had no social media, we hadno Internet, and yet we all came
together, despite thedifferences in our languages,
and got together and we madethis choice.
And it's funny, like I thinkthat I remember, like when
benedict was elected, when hetalked about the conclave, he
(26:39):
used to say well, then I saw theguillotine was going to fall on
me, you know where.
I think francis and and leoboth have kind of embraced this
a little easier, maybe in someways that they were kind of like
okay, yeah, you know, you knowhis head falls when he knows
it's going to be him.
but then, all of a sudden afeeling of peace comes over him
A vow of obedience.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, also that too.
Yeah, good point, because theywere both religious.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, good point, emily yeah, and they were both
bishops for a long time.
Yeah, true, where Pope Benedictwasn't a bishop of a sea,
pastorally he was a theologianand a professor, and I think the
administration was very heavyon him.
Yeah, the other thing that Iwanted to mention was I thought
(27:24):
it was awesome on Sunday when hesang the Regina Caeli and
someone commented like you knowhow hard that is, you're
standing in the square.
St Peter's Square probablyholds 100,000 people and it was
packed.
It was packed All the way downthe Via Conciliazione, the main
road there, and he just startsRegina Chaley le tare and he
(27:45):
doesn't have the perfect voicebut he holds tune.
But he knows this is the hymnwe sing during the Easter season
to Our Lady and he did it andthat was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Have you ever heard a Pope sing before?
I don't think I've ever heardPope sing.
Maybe John Paul II, John Paulhe liked to sing Paternos termi.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah he would sing yeah, so it was kind of
funny, but maybe not in Englishhe liked singing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, it's funny.
I'd like to hear him sing inEnglish.
I know.
I think I sent you a video ofhim singing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Feliz Navidad.
Yeah, that's in Spanish.
That looked like a churchChristmas party.
Yeah, exactly Like akaraoke-type situation, which is
fun.
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
He's a fun guy.
He has a good sense of humor.
Someone handed him a baseballthe other day and asked him to
sign it and he looked at.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I saw a picture of that.
I was like no new idea If Iever make it back to the Vatican
.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He said no selfies yet and there's rumor that I
read today that he might shutdown the Pontifex.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Twitter account for a little while.
Probably smart, yeah, kind ofcall through things and say, how
do I want to do this?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He was very active on social media as a bishop and
maybe it's a calm to figure outhow we're going to do this well,
and then when we reenter, kindof like the propodutic year for
our seminarians.
You don't say we're not going touse this at all, Because I did
watch a video from 2012.
It's like discernment andformation and how to use
technology well, and maybe, ifhe takes a break, he'll say hey,
(29:09):
catholics, take a break, andthen I'll let you know when we
get back on.
And this is how I want you toact online.
Who knows, it's a new day.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
He is clearly a man of great hope, and do you know
how I know this?
Any fan of the Chicago WhiteSox has got to have great hope.
It's a sure sign that you arenot an atheist, if you can be a
fan of the Chicago White Sox andget up in the morning.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
It's almost like God gave them a nod.
He's like well, your team's notgoing to get any better anytime
soon.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So here's the Pope.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
When was the last time Chicago White Sox won a
World Series?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
2006,.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I think he was at a game in 05, because they have
footage of that, 05 is correct.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So guess what?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
People who are not from Cleveland originally.
We haven't had a World Seriessince night that we won since 48
.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So yeah, oh man, even the Pirates beat you guys on
that Even my Mets in 86.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We've been there 95, 97, and 2016.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Pirates won was the 70s, the original.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
City of Champions.
We are family Pirates.
That was their theme song.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, I felt bad for the.
Cubs until they beat us when wewere up 3-1 in 2016.
But anyways, All right.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So I was at St Noel for graduation this week, so we
could do that as our churchsearch.
What do you know about St Noel?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I was there this week too for a wedding rehearsal
slash last pre-Cana meeting.
So it was built, I don't know,probably in the early 80s.
It's pretty minimalistic.
Father Terry Gratchanen is thepastor there now.
They have a very good choir andI have a wedding there in July.
(30:52):
I don't know.
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it was nice, like you said, kind of
simplistic.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It was a nice place, Kind of a ski lodge feel.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah that's right, yeah, kind of wood.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It was nice we had graduation there from the
seminary the other night,because you couldn't fit yeah,
couldn't fit into the seminary.
Into the seminary.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wow, what a good problem to have.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it was the first timethat they offered the master's
degree in diaconal ministry, sothey had a big class of that.
So there were 36 of us, I thinkGotcha, plus all the MDiv
students, plus all the master'sin theology students.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
There's a big class of guys getting ordained.
This Saturday there is EightEight yep and there's a big
class of guys getting ordained.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
This Saturday there is Eight Eight yep and congrats
to our old friend Miguel Chavezwho got his D-Min.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh did he.
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
Wow, easter's moving really fast.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think it's you know , watching all the pope stuff
just made it go bam.
I can't snap Bam.
There we go, exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
First readings from the Acts of the Apostles Paul
and Barnabas had proclaimed thegood news to that city and made
a considerable number ofdisciples.
It is necessary for us toundergo many hardships in order
to enter the kingdom of God.
Probably a good message for thePope.
You know, being the Pope is notgoing to be easy, so you might
undergo many hardships for thekingdom of God.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I had the same line underlined, and it's not just
for the Pope.
Anyone who's a Christian knowthat it's going to be hard and
the cross will come your way.
Of course the Lord's going tobear it with you and you're not
alone in it.
But we shouldn't try to runfrom suffering, because our Lord
didn't run from it, but trustthat the Lord's in our suffering
(33:54):
, with us and gives a greatmeaning.
And oftentimes, as the bishopsays in his pastoral letter,
it's after we've gone throughtremendous suffering that we
realize how much the Lord hasgrown close to us and
strengthened us and matured usand made our love even stronger.
So, yeah, don't be afraid ofhardships.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I also like the gospel.
This week I give you a newcommandment to love one another,
which is also hard.
Exactly that's exactly what Iwas going to say is I give you a
new commandment to love oneanother.
Going to the margin sometimesis pretty easy for me.
I can go and do a serviceproject.
I can go to a foreign countryeven and serve the needs of the
(34:35):
people.
I know it's going to bedifficult, but I'm kind of
gearing up to go.
But it's hard for me to lovethose who are close to me
sometimes because they drive menuts right.
They just drive me up the wall,you know, and it's like okay, I
give you a new commandment hesays to these disciples who are
living together and being withone another for you know, day in
and day out, and he knows thatthey're going to need each other
(34:55):
so he says look, I give you anew commandment.
Make sure you love one another.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Amen, emily, any thoughts?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think you know not to beat a dead horse, but it's
necessary for us to undergo manyhardships to enter the kingdom
of God.
That's really been like theforefront of my prayer recently,
just kind of with you knowthings I've got going on in my
own life, just that reminderthat the Lord, the Lord, never
abandons us, especially if welike come to prayer and show him
(35:23):
our heart and say, lord, I havenothing left to give.
And he fills the emptiness.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He will not leave us orphans, amen, and has given us
a new Holy Father.
So let's pray for Pope Leo XIV,and we'll have this and a whole
lot more next time here onQuestion of Faith.
Who would you be very surprised to see?
I don't think it'll be anAmerican.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'll just say that I don't think it'll be an American
.
Yeah, I was going in the samedirection.
I said I'd be very surprised ifit would be an American.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
There's some other guy I never heard of, but I just
heard of him the other day andhe was a nuncio in Peru and he's
an American that no one talkedabout.
So I guess— Prevost is his name, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, he was seen going into Cardinal Burke's
apartment the other dayapparently.
So, who knows what that means.
It means maybe it's his friend.
It means it might be his friend.
That's right.
That's what I said to someonetoo.
All right, long conclave shortconclave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I think medium, I think probably two or three days
.
I don't think it'll take themtoo long.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So if it's Wednesday, you think by Friday or Saturday
, yeah, I think.
Friday, but you think, by theend of the day Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
They'll have a ballot on Thursday.
Well, we were close.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We at least said his name Did you say his name or did
I say his name?
You said his name.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Actually, I said his name.
You said that it was anAmerican from Peru.
He was living in Peru.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But I said I thought he was a nuncio.
He wasn't a nuncio, he wasactually a bishop, but we were
on the trail to something.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I at least had the right day, but had everything
else wrong, including the name.
But anyway, hi folks, this isQuestion of Faith.
I'm Deacon Mike Hayes.
I'm the director of young adultministry here in the Diocese of
Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I'm Father Damian Ferencz, the vicar for
evangelization.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I am Emily Olin, director of archives for the
Diocese of Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So the two of you were together when the papal
announcement happened.
I was in Akron at a all-dayteam building exercise with our
esteemed colleague Kathy Gohler.
Fortunately for us, thishappened during lunch.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I saw like a meme or something that was like nice of
the Cardinals to like plan thisall so that everybody in North
America was at lunch when theannouncement went up.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I had the noon mass at the cathedral across the
street and the day before thatI had no.
The day before I had prayed theprayers for the election of a
pope, which is pretty cool.
The church thinks of everything.
So we still hadn't had a popeby noon on Thursday.
So as I began the mass, signedmyself the Lord, be with you,
with your spirit.
(02:17):
I said, folks, there's still nowhite smoke, we don't have a
pope.
So we're going to pray theseprayers one more time with the
hope of having having a pope.
And then, you know, let us.
We did the whatever theconfiteor and then prayed.
And then, after communion, I wasover at the credence table
purifying my chalice and SteveOtlowski from the cathedral
(02:37):
comes over and he goes Father,I'm like, get out.
Who he goes, we don't know.
But we have a Pope and thewhite smoke is coming.
So I finished purifying, wentback to my chair, let us pray,
did the prayer after communionand I said, hey, everybody, our
prayers worked.
Habemus Papam, we have a Pope,we don't know who it is yet, but
there's white smoke.
So after the blessing, go homeand turn on your TV and see what
(03:01):
it is.
So it was really cool and theneventually I had lunch and I was
watching.
I think we all were.
We thought it would happen alittle sooner.
Joe Kronauer texts me becauseJoe runs my Daily Prayers and he
asked if I would come over andwe could record some new prayers
or new intros for Friday andSaturday, since we had a Pope
and I said sure, and they wereover in this building.
(03:24):
What is that building?
We're in the hoban room.
Hoban room where there's a bigtv and it was most of the
communications team.
Emily was there and a few otherpeople, and that's when we
waited together and then thearchbishop, or whoever, came out
.
What is his name?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
he's got, I think, isn't it the Cardinal Deacon?
Yes, whatever.
Yeah, the Cardinal Deacon, Idon't know, I don't know
anything.
The Habemus Popham guy, that'shis new name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So he came out and then I heard Prevost and I said
American and he was likeAmerican.
And then I heard in whatever itwas in Latin or Italian, the
14th.
And then I rewound and heard inmy memory Leo the 14th.
So it was Leo the sorry, leothe 14th.
(04:10):
And then that's when we werelike Leo the 14th but we went
nuts because he was an Americanand who thought we were going to
get an American.
We even said last week wedidn't think it was possible.
We started the show with thatlittle clip.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
John Paul II died when I was in the fourth grade,
and so I was like I was likecognizant enough to like ask
questions and I rememberwatching all the coverage and I
asked my dad, because I'm prettysure it was when did dolan
become a cardinal?
Because I'm pretty sure theythrew him up on the screen when,
yeah, when that was a whileafter, was it?
There must have been someamerican papacy.
(04:42):
I'm pretty sure there must havebeen some American.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was during the Benedict papacy.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I'm pretty sure there must have been some American.
They threw up on the screen andI was like, oh my gosh, like
Dad, could we ever have it?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And he said, no, no we'll never have an American as
a pope.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So I had the distinct pleasure of texting my family
and saying Dad was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
There was an American who's pope Almost everyone was
wrong and most of the time whenand even Cardinal Dolan and the
other guys said this when theAmerican cardinals would get
together, prevost wasn't in thatgroup.
No Even though he's born inChicago.
He's a religious order priestand spent most of his ministry
in Peru, so that makes sense.
(05:17):
But he certainly is American,as we found out all week.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, here's something really cool.
So my friend Nick Stein worksfor the Bon Secours Sisters and
so they have a place in Peru,and so he called them and said,
hey do you know the Pope.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And they were like yes, we know the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Pope.
He is amazing.
He was part of the poorestparish that was here.
When he was here, he was sohumble and so wonderful.
We've been jumping for joy allafternoon.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It was for joey all afternoon.
That's great.
So it was great to hear alittle inside there the, the
seminarians from his homediocese in peru, when they, when
they and not made theannouncement, just went nuts.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So, so fun it was very cool.
Yeah, it was, it was.
It was nuts joanne.
Uh, pietraski and I weretogether at the uh at the event
that we're at and uh, waitingfor the announcement, and she
looked at me, she, she wasinsistent that it was going to
be on Friday.
She was like there's no waywe're going to have a Pope today
, it's going to be on Saturday.
Nope today, it ends today.
And she was like no, it's not.
(06:12):
And we're going back and forthlike two 13-year-olds.
Oh, my goodness, you calledsecond.
Was that like?
I was thinking that, like oneballot is two votes.
So like there's a session in themorning and a session in the
evening, so I thought by theevening session it would be over
.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And they had three on yes, okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
because the first day they onlyhad one vote right, correct,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And then it's two and two Okay, but yeah.
And then it's two and two, okay, but yeah.
I mean, similar to the Franciselection, the same number
balance there, so you knowthey're getting good at this.
If nothing else, wait was PopeFrancis five, I believe.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So yeah, I don't remember, but it was what Katie
Prejean McCready kept calling it, cardinal Camp.
Right, like they had like awhole week's worth of meetings
to, like you know, kind of likego, because Cardinal Dolan even
said in the press conference,like people are coming up to me
like do you know, do you knowRobert Prevost?
And he's like who?
Like he had no idea who he was,and so it helps.
(07:18):
You know the Cardinals get toknow each other and that sort of
thing, so I think that helpstoo, right, so they can do a lot
of.
You know all that campaigningcan be done the week before, and
then you know you get in, getout, get going.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, determining the needs of the church, where we
need to be led and the kind ofperson to do it.
So it was awesome.
You adopted a cardinal, didn'tyou say that, deacon Mike Pete
Sabama yeah, and that we arepraying for this.
So the whole universal church,like 1.4 billion Catholics, plus
(07:53):
people who weren't evenCatholic tuning in.
It was wonderful.
Pr for the church Like this isus at our best.
It's good news, joyful, hopefulnews, and people were really
excited, and one of the greattakeaways for me thus far has
been the unification that seemsto be taking place.
(08:16):
At least early reports are that, and my evidence is Cardinal
Burke is very happy and FatherJames Martin SJ is very happy,
and usually James Martin SJ isvery happy.
And usually those two guys don't.
They're not happy about thesame thing.
And the fact that they are ispretty good.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, one of the things I was taking away from
this.
I heard somebody say this theother day and I can't remember
who it was, so whoever said this, I'm sorry for not giving you
credit, but they said thinkabout, we just took 133 guys.
(08:54):
Guys, put them in a room withno social media, no access to
the news.
They just had to sit there andbe with each other and they may
have just changed the world whenyou think about it not to
mention that how many differentlanguages are spoken?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
and they couldn't all not all of them do speak
Italian, so I think they hadlike 13 different groups and
they were trying to find commonlanguage and all that.
But it's possible.
And I loved hearing theaccounts from the Cardinals of
how serious they took their job,especially when they had to
look, and how important art isto the Christian life.
Looking at Michelangelo's lastjudgment and knowing that this
(09:26):
weighs heavy on their soul, howthey voted and they had to vote
about the man that they prayedfor most, who thought they would
be the best leader I thought itwas beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, it's got to weigh heavy on everybody.
I know a lot of the guys aresaying man, I wrote that name
down, I went over there and Iplaced on the patent.
I was like, whoa, yeah, this isa big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Pretty awesome, because you have to say
something too, isn't it?
Something like you know youswear before God and it's just
like if you're doing that,that's some serious stuff right
there.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
As you're looking up at Christ the judge and knowing
that in the corner there's animage of a Monsignor who's in
hell in his casket oh, there areno accidents in the church.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
They painted it like that for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Exactly With donkey ears.
Yes, I think, yeah, I thinkthat's right.
So what do we expect?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, what do we expect from this Pope?
Well, he's an Augustinian andhe's a canon lawyer, so those
are two things that we couldexplore a little bit.
So Augustine's thought is goingto be in there, and he started
out by talking about both peaceand a lot of Francis words is
what I heard and a lot ofAugustine words is what I heard.
(10:35):
So I was like that's prettygood.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And he came out with a prepared text, which is not
something we've seen before.
So I think he'll be moredeliberate One of the words a
little more calm and steady interms of his preparation, and
that's the canon lawyer in him,it seems to me that you're very
careful with what you're goingto say.
Even his second homily wasfilled with all sorts of
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references.
But I also think of him so faras a synthesizer, in the same
way that when you read ThomasAquinas, you read every thinker
that references Pope Francis andJohn Paul II.
He had Paul VI Crozier out theother day for a mass.
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He took the name after Leo XIII.
He's a successor in terms oflineage and he already
referenced Rerum Novarum, so Ithink a lot of nods to everybody
that's come before and he'sgoing to be showing us the
tradition of the church andconsistency throughout, and I
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think that's really exciting.
I also will say that I'm reallyhappy that he studied at the
Angelicum, so that's where Ialso got my doctorate.
His was in canon law, notphilosophy, but so happy that
he's an American and to hear himspeak Midwestern English is
still like what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I'm thrilled about the whole thing Not to knock
Pope Francis at all, because Ido still love Pope Francis, but
I don't think I realized howmuch in my heart I needed to
hear the Pope speak English.
Like you know, in his homily,when he addressed the cardinals
first in English, I was like, ohmy goodness, like I haven't
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heard the Holy Father speak mylanguage in so long.
Not that I have any memory ofBenedict speaking English,
because I wasn't really payingattention.
to be perfectly honest, right, Iwas still a kid, but I've like
looked up like footage of JohnPaul II speaking English,
because I wasn't really payingattention.
To be perfectly honest, right,I was still a kid, but I've
looked up footage of John PaulII speaking English.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I heard him speaking English in both Central Park and
Toronto.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, he struggled with it.
He did he would do a little bit, and I remember when he would
use Eucharistic Prayer 2, whichis what I would do in Italian,
because it's shorter, shorteryeah.
But we've never heard a bishopor a pope speak English without
an accent.
So even John Paul would be like.
Young people turn to Christ andBenedict's accent his English
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was great, but it was with aGerman accent.
So, it's different.
The nice thing about having anaccent, though, is if someone
has an accent, they know otherlanguages, and a lot of times
people will say, oh is, ifsomeone has an accent, they know
other languages.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And a lot of times people will say, oh, they're not
American.
Yeah, but they know a lot ofother languages and there's a
lot more to being human thanbeing an American, and I love
the United States of America,but this guy has had a worldly
experience.
So I think he has threecitizenships the United States,
peru and then Vatican.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
City and then Vatican City.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
yeah, right so not to mention all the travels that he
did around the world being thehead of the Augustinian order.
So seeing all these cultures,seeing how the church works in
different countries, is reallyan important thing.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, and when we talk about continuity, I think
you know we talk about all thepopes that came before him, you
know I mean that includes PopeFrancis now, as think you know
we talked about all the popesthat came before him.
You know I mean that includesPope Francis now as well.
You know, and so you know whenwe think about that whole thing.
I heard a lot of Francis'language in his first thing.
I don't know if you heard theaddress he did to journalists,
which I thought was reallyoutstanding talking about.
We can't be, you know, we can'tbe divided on a lot of unity
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message.
We can't be, you know,screaming at each other.
We have to bring peopletogether.
He's going to really unify us alittle bit more, I think, than
maybe some others have.
I think what my friend NickStein, who's from the National
Institute for Ministry for YoungAdults.
We were talking all afternoonand he said I think he'll be a
more buttoned-up Francis, whichI thought was a good way to put
(14:46):
it, and that doesn't mean stuffy.
More refined, more refined ormore deliberate I think More
deliberate in his thoughts willbe all thought out before he
releases them to the public.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And that's very much like Benedict.
That's where the academic sidecomes out too, and the canon
lawyer side comes out as well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, but that's what I've been saying too is that I
think he'll be a little bit moreof a palatable version of
Francis for the people whodidn't necessarily enjoy Pope
Francis.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think that he's going to move forward in the
spirit of Francis in a way thatisn't going to push as many
buttons as Pope Francis pushedand, by the same token, I think
it will be similar to the twoother, to the last two popes who
people didn't, some peopledidn't like them.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Right, exactly, Okay.
He'll be a more palatableversion of Benedict.
If everybody likes you andyou're the pope, you're doing a
bad job.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, and it's interesting again to see how
he's like John Paul, how he'slike Benedict and how he's like
Francis and how he's not.
He's his own man.
So he's wearing the black pantsand the black scuffed shoes.
That's very Francis.
He's moving back into theApostolic Palace, which is where
Benedict and John Paul livedbefore and again, I mentioned
(16:00):
this last week.
It's not ornate, it's in adifferent place.
Pope Francis was very much acommunity man and liked to be
part of that, and so he had hisreasons for doing that.
But you don't have to doeverything that the guy before
you did and you can show thathere.
This was a great thing thatPaul VI offered.
(16:21):
Here's a great thing John PaulII Like show off the tradition
in your own way.
That's how it ought to be.
You don't want a carbon copy ofsomeone who can't be for it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Exactly and you said this last week too that some
folks are, you know, maybe alittle more introverted, need
some more time alone, or PopeFrancis needed to be around,
people all the time.
That gave him energy and madehim relaxed and he saw people
all the time in the elevator andat meals and the morning mass
and things like that and, beinga person who lived in community
for most of his life, that wasprobably important to him.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, and there's a prophetic role to well Christian
discipleship by our baptismpriest, prophet and king.
But there's certainly aprophetic role to being pope,
and just because you don't likesomeone doesn't mean they're
necessarily doing somethingwrong or bad, and that's true of
all popes.
But I think one of the thingsthat Pope Francis did best was
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he got people to pay attentionto the church that didn't pay
attention before and he madepeople feel included who weren't
included before.
And I'm thinking in particularof the way that when he would
plan his visits, he was going toparts of the world where there
was not a high population ofCatholics and sometimes only
(17:36):
5,000.
Why would he spend his timegoing there?
Because these are the peoplethat are often forgotten and I'm
bringing them in.
I was talking with one of myFilipino priest friends
yesterday and he was saying, ohmy gosh, what that meant to
people in these parts of theworld was fantastic.
And I know that in a lot of thework we've done here over the
last few years in terms ofparish life and evangelization,
(17:58):
making sure that we're not justtapping the wealthiest suburban
parishes in the diocese there's184 of them and to get out to
Wayne County and to Ashland andall the way out to Lorain and
the far end of like Madison inLake County and in St Patrick's
and Thompson and some of theseparishes that are forgotten and
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some of the parishes in the citywhere it's easy just to tap,
the parishes that are big, havehuge staffs and have a lot of
money, but don't forget abouteverybody else.
And I think Pope Francis didthat well and now that we have
Pope Leo, who's also worked withthe poor and those on the
margins, he's going to continuethat but, as you say, in a more
(18:41):
buttoned up or refined way andmaybe be able to better
articulate what Pope Francis wasdoing, so that more people can
get on board and say that makessense to me, because what I'm
seeing is maybe not the extremeright and the extreme left
They'll never be happy but thosewho are coloring within the
(19:05):
lines of the church.
Again, when I mentionedCardinal Burke and I mentioned
Father James Martin at SJ, whenthey're both excited about the
new Holy Father, that makes mehappy, because now there's like
a unification where there oughtto be a unification, and both
ought to be comforted and bothought to be challenged, because
we don't want our religion justto make us feel comfortable all
(19:27):
the time and everything's great.
It should challenge us to thinkdifferently and to have our
hearts stretched, which hurtssometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think, too, that one of the things he's going to
do is empower others.
In some ways, he's very good atbringing people together and
directing them, like puttingpeople in the right place and so
I think he's going to be likeokay, I need you to go do this,
cardinal.
I need this, you know, to bedone in this diocese.
I need this to be done here.
(19:58):
I need everybody to do this.
What role can you play here?
I think he's going to be reallygood at putting people in the
right places and giving themvery intentional direction.
You know to say, okay, this iswhat we're going to need.
We're all on the same page.
Okay, let's go.
Let's move now.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, a bishop's job is this order of charisms
determine what people are goodat and get them in the right
places so they can flourish.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Good job for an Augustinian.
Yeah, order is order, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And even our Bishop Molesik.
I think people may not knowthis about him, but one of his
greatest gifts is finding peoplewho are and getting them in the
right places so that they canflourish, and taking time to
discern all that.
That's really good.
Yeah, that's great, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So you know he's at it already and I know he had a
meeting with the President ofUkraine the other day, so he's
already starting on his peacetour a little bit saying let's
get people together.
That was very comforting to me,the first words that he came up
with.
In fact, I meant to ask thatquestion last week.
What do you think the firstwords of the new pope would be?
And Christy, I know I'd saidbefore she goes, I have no idea.
(21:03):
If you ask me that question,I'm not going to know what to
say.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So peace be to you all.
Peace be with you.
Peace be with you Peace be withyou.
And then he talked about therisen Christ and the good
shepherd.
And I know that because Iquoted him in my homily this
past weekend and he mentionedpeace an awful lot.
So I think that may be so early.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, the 13th too was a peacemaker, pope in some
ways with Rerum Novarum.
And you know, at that time, atthe world's history, in that
time too, you know, there werelots of calls for peace.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I've decided in September I'm going to do a book
study on Rerum Novarum, and I'malso going to end every book
study with the Michael theArchangel prayer, because Leo
XIII wrote that too.
I mean that guy was prolific.
The Ligonine Prayer Show.
Yeah, it's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And we could do this on another show.
But even the fact that he hastwo siblings, one in Chicago and
then the other in Florida, andthey keep interviewing these
guys and they're so human andit's like here's the Pope and
this is what siblings look like,and it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's so funny, it is, I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I don't know if you guys know a comedian.
Her name is Jen Kirkman.
Yes, I do.
She used to be on Drunk Historyand I follow her online.
She's pretty funny.
But she posted something theother day that like she's very
into this news of the Pope and Idon't think she's an active
Catholic but I do think all thisgood attention and even the way
(22:29):
that the Vatican does all itsformality and the pomp and
circumstance and I'm not a bigpomp and circumstance guy, but
there are times to do thingsformally and to look good and we
do that really well thetradition is beautiful.
Even the Sistine Chapel it'sthe best outfits, the best art,
like Catholicism has theaesthetic vibe going on.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
When you mentioned his brothers.
I'm sitting watching thebrother in Florida who said that
, well, okay, I'm waiting forhim to come out.
I'm waiting.
I'm like, oh, come on, justtell me who the pope is.
And then he comes out and hegoes and it's Rob.
And my reaction was oh God,it's Rob.
Am I going to have to change myway of life?
I'm like only a brother couldmake this about him.
(23:12):
He goes, and then all of asudden it hits me.
I'm like, yay, it's Rob.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Then he said he goes, yeah.
And when I see him they saidwhat are you going to do?
He goes I'll probably just belike you, idiot, what did you do
?
And then I'll take off his hatand give him a noogie.
But I think it's really humanand it's healthy, because with
John Paul, his family was alldead by the time he was 20.
And Benedict had a brother whowas a priest.
That's right.
But that was kind of like oh, hehas a brother, and I don't know
(23:44):
if we was there anything weknew about Francis's family,
were they all deceased as well?
I think they were all deceased,yeah.
So this is fairly unprecedented, at least for a modern papacy
and this type of media-drivenculture where we're actually
able to get to his brothers.
Sorry, Emily, I cut you off.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's okay.
No, I was just going to say I'mstill.
The thing that I'm laughingabout the most is so you know
the sibling dynamic.
So Pope Leo is the youngest ofhis brothers, right, and I'm
still laughing about when hismiddle brother called him back
on the iPad.
First words out of Pope Leo'smouth are why don't you answer
your phone?
Which is what my younger sistersays to me after I've called
(24:18):
her back, after she's called melike 20 times, and it just, yeah
, it cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And with brothers like these, he's on the air Like
there's a camera rolling and hejust answers his phone and the
Pope's like why don't?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
you answer?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
his phone, he goes.
You should know you're on theair right now.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
He just like you can feel how uncomfortable it is and
he just like shuts down.
He's like right now, you sureyeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Turn that iPad away from the camera, but you know
the next conversation is likedon't ever do that again.
Right, exactly with, withbrothers, like this was like
when bishop just comes out witha grocery bag of family photos.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm like this guy's totally just like, like.
I feel like this is my fit,like this is you know I'm never
gonna get elected pope.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Praise the lord, but like if that were happened, you
know, I just picture my grandmapulling out all of the photo
albums and like setting them onher kitchen table and it reminds
me so much of bishop woos, whenhe went to tell his brother tom
, father tom, that he was, uh,named bishop and his first
reaction was does this mean youget to be buried in the
cathedral?
So I'm like with brothers likethese come on.
(25:25):
No, not.
Congratulations, that's great.
Are you going to get buried inthe cathedral?
Thanks for fast-forwarding tomy death, it's just wonderful.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
What do you think his first encyclical is going to be
?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I mean, maybe something onartificial intelligence.
He's talked about that.
You know, technology withchanges in technology.
We've done Leo XIII's papacyand now changes in technology in
our time, so I think that mightbe one thing.
Have we had one about peacerecently Probably.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Pachamon Terrace wasn't recent, but could be.
I was thinking maybe someAugustinian-themed thing like
Our Hearts Are Restless, oh yeah, could be good, and then?
Show we're restless for God andalso for real human interaction
and not just online or digitalstuff.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know, you could even use the conclave as a
backdrop, in that what we weresaying before is that you know,
hey, we gather all these people.
We had no social media, we hadno Internet, and yet we all came
together, despite thedifferences in our languages,
and got together and we madethis choice.
And it's funny, like I thinkthat I remember, like when
benedict was elected, when hetalked about the conclave, he
(26:39):
used to say well, then I saw theguillotine was going to fall on
me, you know where.
I think francis and and leoboth have kind of embraced this
a little easier, maybe in someways that they were kind of like
okay, yeah, you know, you knowhis head falls when he knows
it's going to be him.
but then, all of a sudden afeeling of peace comes over him
A vow of obedience.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, also that too.
Yeah, good point, because theywere both religious.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, good point, emily yeah, and they were both
bishops for a long time.
Yeah, true, where Pope Benedictwasn't a bishop of a sea,
pastorally he was a theologianand a professor, and I think the
administration was very heavyon him.
Yeah, the other thing that Iwanted to mention was I thought
(27:24):
it was awesome on Sunday when hesang the Regina Caeli and
someone commented like you knowhow hard that is, you're
standing in the square.
St Peter's Square probablyholds 100,000 people and it was
packed.
It was packed All the way downthe Via Conciliazione, the main
road there, and he just startsRegina Chaley le tare and he
(27:45):
doesn't have the perfect voicebut he holds tune.
But he knows this is the hymnwe sing during the Easter season
to Our Lady and he did it andthat was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Have you ever heard a Pope sing before?
I don't think I've ever heardPope sing.
Maybe John Paul II, John Paulhe liked to sing Paternos termi.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah he would sing yeah, so it was kind of
funny, but maybe not in Englishhe liked singing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, it's funny.
I'd like to hear him sing inEnglish.
I know.
I think I sent you a video ofhim singing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Feliz Navidad.
Yeah, that's in Spanish.
That looked like a churchChristmas party.
Yeah, exactly Like akaraoke-type situation, which is
fun.
Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
He's a fun guy.
He has a good sense of humor.
Someone handed him a baseballthe other day and asked him to
sign it and he looked at.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I saw a picture of that.
I was like no new idea If Iever make it back to the Vatican
.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
He said no selfies yet and there's rumor that I
read today that he might shutdown the Pontifex.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Twitter account for a little while.
Probably smart, yeah, kind ofcall through things and say, how
do I want to do this?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He was very active on social media as a bishop and
maybe it's a calm to figure outhow we're going to do this well,
and then when we reenter, kindof like the propodutic year for
our seminarians.
You don't say we're not going touse this at all, Because I did
watch a video from 2012.
It's like discernment andformation and how to use
technology well, and maybe, ifhe takes a break, he'll say hey,
(29:09):
catholics, take a break, andthen I'll let you know when we
get back on.
And this is how I want you toact online.
Who knows, it's a new day.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
He is clearly a man of great hope, and do you know
how I know this?
Any fan of the Chicago WhiteSox has got to have great hope.
It's a sure sign that you arenot an atheist, if you can be a
fan of the Chicago White Sox andget up in the morning.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
It's almost like God gave them a nod.
He's like well, your team's notgoing to get any better anytime
soon.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So here's the Pope.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
When was the last time Chicago White Sox won a
World Series?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
2006,.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I think he was at a game in 05, because they have
footage of that, 05 is correct.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So guess what?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
People who are not from Cleveland originally.
We haven't had a World Seriessince night that we won since 48
.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So yeah, oh man, even the Pirates beat you guys on
that Even my Mets in 86.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
We've been there 95, 97, and 2016.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Pirates won was the 70s, the original.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
City of Champions.
We are family Pirates.
That was their theme song.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, I felt bad for the.
Cubs until they beat us when wewere up 3-1 in 2016.
But anyways, All right.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
So I was at St Noel for graduation this week, so we
could do that as our churchsearch.
What do you know about St Noel?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I was there this week too for a wedding rehearsal
slash last pre-Cana meeting.
So it was built, I don't know,probably in the early 80s.
It's pretty minimalistic.
Father Terry Gratchanen is thepastor there now.
They have a very good choir andI have a wedding there in July.
(30:52):
I don't know.
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it was nice, like you said, kind of
simplistic.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It was a nice place, Kind of a ski lodge feel.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah that's right, yeah, kind of wood.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It was nice we had graduation there from the
seminary the other night,because you couldn't fit yeah,
couldn't fit into the seminary.
Into the seminary.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Wow, what a good problem to have.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it was the first timethat they offered the master's
degree in diaconal ministry, sothey had a big class of that.
So there were 36 of us, I thinkGotcha, plus all the MDiv
students, plus all the master'sin theology students.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
There's a big class of guys getting ordained.
This Saturday there is EightEight yep and there's a big
class of guys getting ordained.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
This Saturday there is Eight Eight yep and congrats
to our old friend Miguel Chavezwho got his D-Min.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh did he.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
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Speaker 2 (33:04):
Wow, easter's moving really fast.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think it's you know , watching all the pope stuff
just made it go bam.
I can't snap Bam.
There we go, exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
First readings from the Acts of the Apostles Paul
and Barnabas had proclaimed thegood news to that city and made
a considerable number ofdisciples.
It is necessary for us toundergo many hardships in order
to enter the kingdom of God.
Probably a good message for thePope.
You know, being the Pope is notgoing to be easy, so you might
undergo many hardships for thekingdom of God.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I had the same line underlined, and it's not just
for the Pope.
Anyone who's a Christian knowthat it's going to be hard and
the cross will come your way.
Of course the Lord's going tobear it with you and you're not
alone in it.
But we shouldn't try to runfrom suffering, because our Lord
didn't run from it, but trustthat the Lord's in our suffering
(33:54):
, with us and gives a greatmeaning.
And oftentimes, as the bishopsays in his pastoral letter,
it's after we've gone throughtremendous suffering that we
realize how much the Lord hasgrown close to us and
strengthened us and matured usand made our love even stronger.
So, yeah, don't be afraid ofhardships.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I also like the gospel.
This week I give you a newcommandment to love one another,
which is also hard.
Exactly that's exactly what Iwas going to say is I give you a
new commandment to love oneanother.
Going to the margin sometimesis pretty easy for me.
I can go and do a serviceproject.
I can go to a foreign countryeven and serve the needs of the
(34:35):
people.
I know it's going to bedifficult, but I'm kind of
gearing up to go.
But it's hard for me to lovethose who are close to me
sometimes because they drive menuts right.
They just drive me up the wall,you know, and it's like okay, I
give you a new commandment hesays to these disciples who are
living together and being withone another for you know, day in
and day out, and he knows thatthey're going to need each other
(34:55):
so he says look, I give you anew commandment.
Make sure you love one another.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Amen, emily, any thoughts?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think you know not to beat a dead horse, but it's
necessary for us to undergo manyhardships to enter the kingdom
of God.
That's really been like theforefront of my prayer recently,
just kind of with you knowthings I've got going on in my
own life, just that reminderthat the Lord, the Lord, never
abandons us, especially if welike come to prayer and show him
(35:23):
our heart and say, lord, I havenothing left to give.
And he fills the emptiness.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
He will not leave us orphans, amen, and has given us
a new Holy Father.
So let's pray for Pope Leo XIV,and we'll have this and a whole
lot more next time here onQuestion of Faith.
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