April 22, 2025 • 25 mins
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Pope Francis died on Easter Monday after celebrating Easter one last time on this side of the veil before going home to the Father. We reflect on his legacy and discuss what happens next for the Catholic Church during this time of transition. Both hosts received the news early in the morning and took time to pray and process. (UPDATE: Funeral is now Saturday 4/26
Check out Sarah Hart's new song celebrating Pope Francis' life.
Some Highlights from our reflective show on Pope Francis and his legacy:
• We both admired Pope Francis for his pastoral nature and commitment to those on the peripheries.
• When a pope dies: We discuss the various rituals: his body is prepared for a wake, a funeral Mass & burial takes place quickly, and then the conclave begins after 15-20 days.
• Pope Francis appointed many cardinals from countries never before represented in the College of Cardinals which will make for an interesting conclave.
• Deacon Mike and Fr. Damian discuss some potential papal candidates include Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa from Jerusalem and Cardinal Tagle from the Philippines
• The Easter season reminds us that "death is not the end" as we celebrate resurrection and new life.
• This Sunday is Divine Mercy Sunday featuring the gospel story of "Doubting Thomas"
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This Easter season, we're invited to show the Lord our wounds so he can heal them, following Pope Francis's example of embracing the wounded and marginalized.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's Question of Faith.
What happens now that PopeFrancis has died?
Happy Easter everybody.
This is Question of Faith.
I am Deacon Mike Hayes, in asubdued tone here today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I'm Father Damian Ferencz Vicker for
Evangelization.
Happy Easter.
He is risen, he's truly risen.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Amen Alleluia.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, so Sad but also happy.
Pope Francis died and waited to.
You know, when people are dying, a lot of times they have
control To some degree over whenthey die, and I do believe he
wanted to celebrate theresurrection one last time On
this side of the veil Beforegoing home to the Father, which
he did.
And then he died on what?
Easter Monday, right, yeah,liturgically, before going home
(00:44):
to the Father, which he did, andthen he died on what?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Easter Monday, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Liturgically speaking , which is a great time to go.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, exactly.
It's sort of very fitting,right yeah, for the Pope to die
on that day.
Where were you when you heardthe news?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
In bed.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Same.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Because the news was I woke up and the bells were
tolling at the cathedral ohright, and I was wondering
what's happening?
Am I dreaming this or why arethe bells tolling?
And then I picked up my phoneand it was blown up with friends
like oh, so sorry, your frienddied and those are from my
(01:18):
atheist friends, that's funnyand other friends Holy Father
died, pope Francis died, and soyeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I got a text from Logan Feldkamp, who has been on
this podcast, and he said Ican't believe to the news that
I'm waking up to this morning.
And then I looked at mynewsfeed and said, oh, pope has
died.
So I told my wife and then wewent and sat and prayed for a
little while.
Yeah, and you know, and both ofus kind of fans of you know,
(01:45):
certainly Joy of the Gospel isone of your favorites, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Not to mention we talked about it this summer, but
that letter that he put out onliterature, I thought was
outstanding too.
So those are my two favoritewritings of him.
But go on, go on.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And Grandparents.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's good too, and.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Christus Viva is one of mine, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, I think that it started to be a sad day and
it didn't quite hit me rightaway, right, I was sitting with
it for a little while prayingand was kind of.
I called Father Klebo at StChris and said hey, do you want
me to come over and assist at 11o'clock?
They have an 11 o'clock mass.
He goes oh yeah, that would begreat, and so I said okay, so I
planned to go over.
I had the day off yesterday andthen I came back from that and
(02:31):
Sarah Hart the musician shewrote a song about Pope Francis
that morning.
Oh wow, and it was beautiful.
I will post it in the shownotes.
But it was just beautiful andit was all based on well-done,
good and faithful serving.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Was it on YouTube or was it on her?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It was on her Instagram and I sat down and
listened to it and said you know?
I said I couldn't cry all dayand I don't know why.
And I said and now I listenedto this, and now I'm blubbering
on my couch, I'm like.
So thank you, sarah Hart, forhelping me to mourn.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I wasn't surprised.
I mean it's always, oh, he died, well, when someone is 88.
Yeah, and he was so sick for solong and he really almost died
twice just before Lent startedand I know that he had a meeting
Like he was told to rest.
He was such a hard worker hewasn't going to rest.
(03:30):
And he's 88 years old, so likego out with your boots on and I
love that, I love that so much.
I love that also.
That's how I want to go, andwhat they what they say actually
killed him was a coma and ananeurysm or a stroke.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It was a stroke stroke.
Yeah, they said likely it was astroke and um did it happen in
his sleep?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
do they know I?
They didn't say but I presume.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
so I don't know if he was found dead or they didn't
give those details.
Did they find him dead in hisroom, or was there some sort of
distress that awakened somebodyto go in?
Do they have a monitor on himall the time now, I don't know
somebody to go in.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Do they have a monitor on him all the time?
Now I don't know.
Well, our other friend andfrequent visitor of this show,
father Eric Garris, is currentlyin Rome.
He went for the Triduum and isvisiting the other Cleveland
priests there and he saw PopeFrancis at the Well.
He celebrated Mass on EasterSunday and then I think, he
stuck around for the Angelus.
The Holy Father did not have theMass.
He did speak at the Angelus andthen I think, he stuck around
for the Angelus.
The Holy Father did not havethe Mass.
(04:25):
He did speak at the Angelus andthen the next morning he was at
St Peter's early praying atJohn Paul's tomb when the news
broke and then he ran to thesquare.
I know Washington Post had alittle piece with Father Garris
in it and CNS Hannah Brankus,who's a really good reporter,
interviewed him too.
So he's representing the CLE inRome right now for us, which is
(04:48):
pretty good.
And Father Sean Ralph, therector of the cathedral, just
returned last night I think Iheard him come in, but yeah, so
the Pope died the day.
Father Sean left Rome, so justmissed all the hoopla the day.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Father Sean left Rome , so just missed all the hoopla.
Yeah, and the last politicalperson.
I guess he's not a head ofstate, but you know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vice President Vance, JD Vance, who's Catholic Last
person I saw him yeah recentlyCatholic too.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I was like, wow, he's Catholic.
For all five minutes he gets tomeet the Pope Very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, and he posted posted this was before the holy
father died that I and I saw thepictures that pope gave him
three big easter egg um, I thinkthey're easter eggs and then
had other things inside butthree gifts for his three
children who he travels with,and carries them around, so
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
One of the things that I've been doing, uh, most
of yesterday and one of myfriends encouraged me to do this
was to to try to look atpictures of the Pope like you
know and that they tell like areally good story of him.
Yeah, and there are all thesepictures of him with children,
as you just said, you know, andyou know he was always kind of
like let the little childrencome to me, like these kids are
like running around the place,and he'd have them run up to the
(06:00):
you know the run up to thechair and sit with them and kind
of give them a little tap inthe face every once in a while
and kind of be playful with them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I loved that about his papacy.
Yeah, he was a people's pope,for sure, yeah, for sure, and he
will be missed.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, you ain't kidding.
So, it's, it's a, you know,someone's got some big shoes to
fill, you know, and uh, and hedidn't even wear the papal shoes
.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, well, and, and the thing is too like, the Lord
provides.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And, as I said I was, I did some interviews with the
um, channel three and a coupleother news outlets yesterday and
they were saying oh, you know,uh, what do we do now?
And I said, well, we grieve andwe mourn, but this is kind of
what happens in a family.
Oftentimes, when there's adeath, the family comes together
and hasn't seen each other in awhile.
And there's, maybe they have,maybe they haven't, but death is
(06:52):
often a time to bring peopletogether and the Pope is the
sign on earth of the unity ofthe church.
He's the bridge right.
So it can be a wonderful timeAgain.
Sad grief, absolutely, but alsojoy in the resurrection, Like
death is not the end and wecelebrate that and believe that,
and so we have a joyful hope tosee the Holy Father again and
(07:16):
our loved ones again andeventually we'll get our bodies
back and it'll be wonderful.
So, yeah, ultimately it'sjoyful hope, but right now it is
sad and the ritual helps, Likethey're waking the body.
Now Did they say when thefuneral mass is going to be?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I didn't even know they have not announced yet as
of this recording.
It'll be, I think, between fourand six days of his death, I
think is the protocol, if Iremember right, and the conclave
has to start between 15 and 20days of his death.
(07:53):
I saw some story, though, thatsaid that Francis had moved that
up, that he had changed therules to the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He probably did.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The conclave has to start no more than nine days
after his death, or somethinglike that.
But then I didn't see thatanywhere else, so maybe the
person who wrote it was wrong.
Who knows the internet?
Any kid could have a website,yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, so the question is now that Pope Francis died,
what happens next?
So the next thing is waking thebody, and then the funeral mass
, and then the conclave iscalled right, right, yeah, and I
did see that the movie Conclavejust dropped on what?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Amazon, or something yeah, Apple.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm a young Pope fan more than Conclave, but anyway,
that's all interesting.
But these I mean whether you'reCatholic or not, this stuff is
very intriguing and interestingand it may be a way to bring
other people home or back to thechurch because the ritual is so
great and the dignity of theoffice is so great and if I was
(08:53):
a cardinal I'd be shaking in myboots like the gravity of that
office and the responsibility ofthat office.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And this is going to be an interesting conclave
because Pope Francis namedcardinals from all over the
world who usually have not beenin that position before Correct,
and many of them were electedbecause of their pastoral nature
to become cardinals by anyother pick by him because of
their pastoral nature.
And a lot of people don't knowwhat these folks think about
theology.
They're kind of quiet oncertain things and so they, you
(09:24):
know.
So now you're like, well, isthis person gonna vote this way
or is he gonna vote this way?
We don't really know.
You know, what would thosepeople from all over the world?
How will that change?
Kind of the way this goes, youknow, because the factions start
to form, you know.
Okay, let's all get behind thisguy.
Let's all get behind this guyNow let's talk it out for a
(09:47):
little bit.
But then you have all thesewild cards now are coming in,
who might have all kinds ofdifferent thoughts, so it might
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, one of the Holy Father's great themes was, you
know, reaching out to those onthe peripheries and, in terms of
representation in thecardinalariat, I don't even know
what you call it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think that's right, or?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
the School of Cardinals, college of Cardinals,
college of Cardinals.
There you go.
There are people from aroundthe world that never had a
representation before.
I'm thinking of that, cardinalPete Zabala in Jerusalem.
Jerusalem never had a cardinalbefore, even though they have
one.
And then all parts of the worldwhere the Catholic Church isn't
(10:28):
large but there is someonerepresenting the church there
and he absolutely loved that.
He always went out to wherethere were even very few
Catholics.
Like why in the world would thePope go?
There there's only 5,000Catholics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's exactly why you went there.
That's exactly why right.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
To let them know that they matter and they count and
they're someone.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Last night I sat on my couch and looked at all of
the cardinal electors and theirlittle bio that someone had put
together.
They did a really nice job.
I'll put the website up in theshow notes, but I'm just looking
at some of the countries hereSweden, myanmar, nicaragua, the
Netherlands, malta, rwanda,haiti, japan, a couple in Japan
(11:12):
now South Sudan.
I don't think I've ever had acardinal.
I think he's the only cardinalfrom South Sudan.
It's an interesting group offolks, sure, it's an interesting
group of folks, sure, and theway I so I sort of sized it up a
little bit.
If I were a betting man andsometimes I am it looks like
there's about 74, so about 135cardinals.
(11:32):
It's hard to tell whether it's135 or 138, because folks get
sick and some folks will turn 80and there's all these things
right, but it looked to me likethere would be about 74
cardinals who were kind of inFrancis's mode.
You know he's either appointedthem or they share his thoughts
on things.
That's a pretty high number,because 90 will be the electing
number.
You need 90 votes to win butthen there are 33 that are sort
(11:56):
of middle of the road, you know,or the people we just described
.
You know people who are fromplaces where we don't really
know too much about what theythink, but they're there for
their great pastoral nature.
They've been part of the, youknow, evangelization of peoples
and things like that.
And then more in the BenedictJohn Paul II mode, there's about
28.
(12:17):
So if you put the 33 and the 28together, so if you put the 33
and the 28 together, what's that?
60, 33, 28,.
Math is hard 61.
So it's a little harder to getto 90 than you would think.
You know you'd have to get abunch of people.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But keep in mind that John Paul II made Pope Francis
a cardinal, as Jorge Bergoglio.
That's right, so you reallynever know how this stuff plays
out.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, and that's what I was looking at.
Yeah, I was looking at thecompromise.
I said if anybody has anyconnection to JP II or Benedict
and Francis, I put them in the33 group.
So it's interesting, I mean.
And the Holy Spirit moves, man,you know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The Holy Spirit is—we have a God of surprises, don't
we?
No one expected Pope Francis tobe the Pope Francis, that he
was right.
John Paul II wasn't onanybody's list for a long time,
you know.
And then you know, I thinkBenedict was probably maybe less
of a surprise, but I think alot of people were surprised
when he was elected, you know,and he certainly elected quickly
(13:17):
you know, so they're gonna thefirst day they will have one
vote, they get together and theyonly vote once.
Gonna the first day they willhave one vote, they get together
and they only vote once.
In the first day and then everyday going forward from that,
they have four votes two in themorning, two in the afternoon,
until they can, until they electsomeone, and then, uh, what is
it's after?
(13:40):
let me look here After 15 days,I think it is.
If no one was elected, thenthey stop, they take a break,
they have a day of prayer led byone of the cardinals, probably
by one of the cardinals whosename has been chosen.
And they have a day of prayerand then they go back to voting.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Now, I know that if you're over 80, you're not able
to vote Correct, but you can bepart of the conversations
beforehand.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can you be elected if you're over 80?
Anybody, any baptized male, canbe elected.
You or I could be elected,right?
Not?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
likely but— no, I just wonder Maybe— but we could.
Yes, cardinal Sean O'MalleyCorrect Baptized in Cleveland.
That would be cool.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I was also thinking about him myself.
I said that's someone theycould pick him if they wanted to
.
I don't know how that wouldwork practically.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, I don't think, because if he's not in the room
, you'd have to fly him in nowand then say, do you accept?
And what if he says no?
That's a big waste of I thinkhe's an obedient man.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think he'd say yes, I think he would say yes also.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Probably not who knows, he's what 81?
.
It'd be hard to elect an81-year-old person, I think.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And who knows?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Who knows what the thought will be too.
Do they want to elect someoneolder and have a shorter papacy
after a semi-long papacy withFrancis, someone who's 13 years,
and then you know?
Or do you want to elect someoneyou know who's 57?
John.
Paul yeah, Sit in that seat fora long time.
You know who knows.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who knows?
I think I mean what we can dois we can certainly pray that
the cardinals discern well andchoose the best man for the role
.
I mean that's what it comesdown to on our part.
We could offer masses and fastand pray for the conclave.
It's really important.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Indeed.
Do you have a favorite at thispoint in time?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't have a favorite, but I'm very impressed
with that Cardinal Pete.
Really terrible things, yeah,and he is holding fast to the
faith and letting his peopleknow that they're loved and that
he cares for them, and so muchso that he was willing to
literally lay down his life forhis flock, which I think is
(15:53):
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that sentiment about
him.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm not into like the papabalé and the odds
and all that.
I don't know.
I have a bigger fish to fry andI have more work to do here, so
I'll just kind of let theconclave do its business and
pray for it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
There are two that I like, and one is Cardinal Taglay
, who was at the NationalEucharistic Congress.
He did the homily for the lastmass.
Cua grad, yes, he is, yeah, andfrom the Philippines.
Originally.
He was the Archbishop of Manilafor a while before he took on a
Vatican post.
I find his sense of humor andhis sort of lightheartedness
(16:35):
much in the realm of both JohnPaul II and Francis, I would say
.
You know so he would be anenthusiastic pope.
Enthusiastic pope.
World Youth Day will be inKorea, in South Korea.
So having an Asian pope.
I think would be a nice sign tothe world.
I think it might be time for,you know, for an Asian pope.
I think it might be great.
(16:56):
And the Philippines is, like94%, Catholic too, so I mean
that would be a huge celebrationfor that country.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
They held World Youth Day in 1995.
And at that point it was thebiggest gathering of human
beings ever on record, with 5million or something.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
My friend Jonathan is from the Philippines and he
said I went to work and broughtenough food and clothing for me
for three days because I knew Iwouldn't be able to move in the
city, and he said he was exactlyright.
He said it was just so huge.
So, yeah, and I shared yoursentiment about Cardinal
Pizzabala also, I think thatwith Israel and Gaza right now,
(17:34):
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Right, you know we're going toneed someone to help bring us
all together in so many ways,but that might be a nice sign, I
think, for people to see.
So pray for those two guys inparticular, but pray that the
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Speaker 1 (19:19):
How was your Easter?
I didn't even ask, isn't thathorrible?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
of me.
Oh, it's fine, it was well.
Triduum was fun, but I was allover the place.
So Holy Thursday, concelebratedGiant Cancius, I walked with
that group of 130 young adultsaround Tremont Duck Island and
Ohio City.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know I got to tell you so I'm a little
hampered with a heel spur so Icouldn't walk the whole route.
I did walk a little bit but Idrove in from St Chris with
Emily Allin and pulled in to StWendland's as the first place we
were going to visit and justthe throng of people who were
(19:58):
walking in was really impressive.
We were like wow, look at this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, well, our group had 130, and I didn't even plan
to be with Catching Fire.
It just so happened.
That was the parish I wound upat and they were there.
And the Maronite group from StMaron's joined in with us too,
and I know Charbel.
But the other folks were new tome and made some new friends.
Father Richard Boner reportedover 415 pilgrims to his parish.
(20:24):
Wow, and the Korean communitysaid over 400 as well.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Nice, yeah, yeah, when I got to Father Bona's
parish he was at 200, and I wasthere pretty early it was
probably like 935 or something.
Yeah, we were there about 1015.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So that was Holy Thursday preached for the bishop
on—I had led Stations of theCross at noon at the cathedral.
On Good Friday, preached theliturgy.
Good Friday, holy Saturday Iwas down at Our Lady of Victory
in Talmadge and then EasterSunday, st James, to a packed
church in Lakewood, which wasawesome.
I love going there.
(21:01):
So yeah, it was great.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, were you at St Chris the whole time.
I was at St Chris the wholetime.
Yeah, holy Thursday.
So first Easter as a deacon forme first.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Week as a deacon, so that was nice.
And so then Holy Thursday waspresent and served as a deacon,
but didn't have any particularrole, I would say, other than
what I usually do.
Yeah, then Good Friday, forgot,didn't forget this, but forgot
(21:33):
how hard it was to lie prostrate.
We did that.
And then I said, as long as I'mnear this chair that I could
like lean on to get myself backup again, I'll be fine.
And so that's what we did.
And then I chanted theintercessions that day, and I
think I did a really nice job ifI do say so myself.
And then Holy Saturday I hadobviously a much larger role, as
I carried the Paschal Candle inand I did sing the exalted.
(21:58):
It was me and a cantor we sortof split it.
He did a line, I did a line, hedid a line.
Long version, Short version,okay, but I did get to preach, I
did get to sing.
The Lord be with you.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I did that part, so that was nice.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The nice thing about the long version is there's two
mentions of bees.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And I did sing that line in the short version,
bishop Wust's brother John sungthe Exalted down in Talmadge,
Did he really?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And he did a really fine job with that.
He has a nice voice.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, the whole community downthere is awesome too, and they
have two seminarians out of thatlittle parish, which is pretty
awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's awesome.
And then I preached 10 o'clockMass to a pretty packed house on
Easter Sunday, so that was nice.
Nice, that's cool.
Pretty packed house on EasterSunday, so that was nice.
Yeah, I was surprised thatDeacon doesn't usually get to
preach on Easter Sunday orChristmas, really, you know.
And so they asked me if I woulddo the 10 o'clock and I said
yeah, absolutely.
So that was fun.
We're still in the Easterseason, second Sunday of Easter,
and the gospel for this comingSunday is the Doubting Thomas.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, Divine Mercy Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Divine Mercy Sunday.
Thomas gets a bad rap issomething I always say with that
gospel.
And the doors were locked, theysat in fear.
And then, when Jesus appears,thomas is not with them.
My question is always where wasThomas?
Did he draw the short straw?
And they said, hey, you need togo and get provisions.
You know we're out of food, solet's draw straws All.
(23:27):
Thomas, go ahead, you go outthere.
Or did he just say I'm sick andtired of sitting here and I'm
gonna go If they kill me?
They kill me.
I'm getting out of here for alittle while and maybe just went
and take a walk, you know, andthen come back?
And then he says you guys arehallucinating.
I don't believe a word of whatyou're saying.
And then what I love about itis, if you notice, in the gospel
(23:50):
, thomas doesn't have toactually touch the wounds of
Jesus, jesus just invites him totouch the wounds.
And then he just says my Lordand my God, without ever doing
anything.
So that's you know.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And he may or may not have done it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Caravaggio painting has him doing it, but
we don't know for certain.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
We don't know, but we know the invitation was there
and I like the wounded businessthat the Lord wants to make his
way into our wounds to heal them, and he does that by inviting
us into his wounds, like here.
I'm showing you my wounds Now.
Don't be afraid to show meyours, because the way to deepen
your relationship with the Lordis not to make yourself perfect
(24:27):
, because none of us can do that.
It's actually to show the Lordwhere you're hurting and let him
in so he could do his healingwork on you.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, and to witness the wounds of others and see
them as Christ.
And I think that's a greatexample that Pope Francis gave
us, that he was unafraid to goto the wounded to see all the
folks who no one would want tosee and to embrace them.
How many people had, like youknow, disfigured faces and
things like that, that heembraced and kissed and really
(24:55):
led by example.
So it'll all be good for thisweekend.
Amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Good show, see, and maybe by the next time we well,
we won't have a new pope by thenext time, but you won't hear
the Holy Father's name.
It's just removed from theEucharistic prayer, so it's just
Edward, our bishop.
That's right, unless a priest,out of habit, says it, which
happens from time to time.
It wouldn't be intentionalthough.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yesterday at Mass, father Clebo just said Edward,
our bishop, and I kind of did adouble take.
I was like, yeah, so it will bethat way for a little while
until we get a new pope, yeah,and then we'll see what happens.
We'll be probably prettyconclave heavy on this show for
(25:42):
the next couple weeks.
So we'll have that and a wholelot more here next time.
On Question of the Week OutroMusic.
On today's Question of Faith.
What happens now that PopeFrancis has died?
Happy Easter everybody.
This is Question of Faith.
I am Deacon Mike Hayes, in asubdued tone here today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I'm Father Damian Ferencz Vicker for
Evangelization.
Happy Easter.
He is risen, he's truly risen.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Amen Alleluia.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, so Sad but also happy.
Pope Francis died and waited to.
You know, when people are dying, a lot of times they have
control To some degree over whenthey die, and I do believe he
wanted to celebrate theresurrection one last time On
this side of the veil Beforegoing home to the Father, which
he did.
And then he died on what?
Easter Monday, right, yeah,liturgically, before going home
(00:44):
to the Father, which he did, andthen he died on what?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Easter Monday, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Liturgically speaking , which is a great time to go.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, exactly.
It's sort of very fitting,right yeah, for the Pope to die
on that day.
Where were you when you heardthe news?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
In bed.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Same.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Because the news was I woke up and the bells were
tolling at the cathedral ohright, and I was wondering
what's happening?
Am I dreaming this or why arethe bells tolling?
And then I picked up my phoneand it was blown up with friends
like oh, so sorry, your frienddied and those are from my
(01:18):
atheist friends, that's funnyand other friends Holy Father
died, pope Francis died, and soyeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I got a text from Logan Feldkamp, who has been on
this podcast, and he said Ican't believe to the news that
I'm waking up to this morning.
And then I looked at mynewsfeed and said, oh, pope has
died.
So I told my wife and then wewent and sat and prayed for a
little while.
Yeah, and you know, and both ofus kind of fans of you know,
(01:45):
certainly Joy of the Gospel isone of your favorites, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Not to mention we talked about it this summer, but
that letter that he put out onliterature, I thought was
outstanding too.
So those are my two favoritewritings of him.
But go on, go on.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And Grandparents.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's good too, and.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Christus Viva is one of mine, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I mean, I think that it started to be a sad day and
it didn't quite hit me rightaway, right, I was sitting with
it for a little while prayingand was kind of.
I called Father Klebo at StChris and said hey, do you want
me to come over and assist at 11o'clock?
They have an 11 o'clock mass.
He goes oh yeah, that would begreat, and so I said okay, so I
planned to go over.
I had the day off yesterday andthen I came back from that and
(02:31):
Sarah Hart the musician shewrote a song about Pope Francis
that morning.
Oh wow, and it was beautiful.
I will post it in the shownotes.
But it was just beautiful andit was all based on well-done,
good and faithful serving.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Was it on YouTube or was it on her?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
It was on her Instagram and I sat down and
listened to it and said you know?
I said I couldn't cry all dayand I don't know why.
And I said and now I listenedto this, and now I'm blubbering
on my couch, I'm like.
So thank you, sarah Hart, forhelping me to mourn.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I wasn't surprised.
I mean it's always, oh, he died, well, when someone is 88.
Yeah, and he was so sick for solong and he really almost died
twice just before Lent startedand I know that he had a meeting
Like he was told to rest.
He was such a hard worker hewasn't going to rest.
(03:30):
And he's 88 years old, so likego out with your boots on and I
love that, I love that so much.
I love that also.
That's how I want to go, andwhat they what they say actually
killed him was a coma and ananeurysm or a stroke.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It was a stroke stroke.
Yeah, they said likely it was astroke and um did it happen in
his sleep?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
do they know I?
They didn't say but I presume.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
so I don't know if he was found dead or they didn't
give those details.
Did they find him dead in hisroom, or was there some sort of
distress that awakened somebodyto go in?
Do they have a monitor on himall the time now, I don't know
somebody to go in.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Do they have a monitor on him all the time?
Now I don't know.
Well, our other friend andfrequent visitor of this show,
father Eric Garris, is currentlyin Rome.
He went for the Triduum and isvisiting the other Cleveland
priests there and he saw PopeFrancis at the Well.
He celebrated Mass on EasterSunday and then I think, he
stuck around for the Angelus.
The Holy Father did not have theMass.
He did speak at the Angelus andthen I think, he stuck around
for the Angelus.
The Holy Father did not havethe Mass.
(04:25):
He did speak at the Angelus andthen the next morning he was at
St Peter's early praying atJohn Paul's tomb when the news
broke and then he ran to thesquare.
I know Washington Post had alittle piece with Father Garris
in it and CNS Hannah Brankus,who's a really good reporter,
interviewed him too.
So he's representing the CLE inRome right now for us, which is
(04:48):
pretty good.
And Father Sean Ralph, therector of the cathedral, just
returned last night I think Iheard him come in, but yeah, so
the Pope died the day.
Father Sean left Rome, so justmissed all the hoopla the day.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Father Sean left Rome , so just missed all the hoopla.
Yeah, and the last politicalperson.
I guess he's not a head ofstate, but you know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vice President Vance, JD Vance, who's Catholic Last
person I saw him yeah recentlyCatholic too.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I was like, wow, he's Catholic.
For all five minutes he gets tomeet the Pope Very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, and he posted posted this was before the holy
father died that I and I saw thepictures that pope gave him
three big easter egg um, I thinkthey're easter eggs and then
had other things inside butthree gifts for his three
children who he travels with,and carries them around, so
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
One of the things that I've been doing, uh, most
of yesterday and one of myfriends encouraged me to do this
was to to try to look atpictures of the Pope like you
know and that they tell like areally good story of him.
Yeah, and there are all thesepictures of him with children,
as you just said, you know, andyou know he was always kind of
like let the little childrencome to me, like these kids are
like running around the place,and he'd have them run up to the
(06:00):
you know the run up to thechair and sit with them and kind
of give them a little tap inthe face every once in a while
and kind of be playful with them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I loved that about his papacy.
Yeah, he was a people's pope,for sure, yeah, for sure, and he
will be missed.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, you ain't kidding.
So, it's, it's a, you know,someone's got some big shoes to
fill, you know, and uh, and hedidn't even wear the papal shoes
.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, well, and, and the thing is too like, the Lord
provides.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And, as I said I was, I did some interviews with the
um, channel three and a coupleother news outlets yesterday and
they were saying oh, you know,uh, what do we do now?
And I said, well, we grieve andwe mourn, but this is kind of
what happens in a family.
Oftentimes, when there's adeath, the family comes together
and hasn't seen each other in awhile.
And there's, maybe they have,maybe they haven't, but death is
(06:52):
often a time to bring peopletogether and the Pope is the
sign on earth of the unity ofthe church.
He's the bridge right.
So it can be a wonderful timeAgain.
Sad grief, absolutely, but alsojoy in the resurrection, Like
death is not the end and wecelebrate that and believe that,
and so we have a joyful hope tosee the Holy Father again and
(07:16):
our loved ones again andeventually we'll get our bodies
back and it'll be wonderful.
So, yeah, ultimately it'sjoyful hope, but right now it is
sad and the ritual helps, Likethey're waking the body.
Now Did they say when thefuneral mass is going to be?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I didn't even know they have not announced yet as
of this recording.
It'll be, I think, between fourand six days of his death, I
think is the protocol, if Iremember right, and the conclave
has to start between 15 and 20days of his death.
(07:53):
I saw some story, though, thatsaid that Francis had moved that
up, that he had changed therules to the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
He probably did.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The conclave has to start no more than nine days
after his death, or somethinglike that.
But then I didn't see thatanywhere else, so maybe the
person who wrote it was wrong.
Who knows the internet?
Any kid could have a website,yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, so the question is now that Pope Francis died,
what happens next?
So the next thing is waking thebody, and then the funeral mass
, and then the conclave iscalled right, right, yeah, and I
did see that the movie Conclavejust dropped on what?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Amazon, or something yeah, Apple.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm a young Pope fan more than Conclave, but anyway,
that's all interesting.
But these I mean whether you'reCatholic or not, this stuff is
very intriguing and interestingand it may be a way to bring
other people home or back to thechurch because the ritual is so
great and the dignity of theoffice is so great and if I was
(08:53):
a cardinal I'd be shaking in myboots like the gravity of that
office and the responsibility ofthat office.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And this is going to be an interesting conclave
because Pope Francis namedcardinals from all over the
world who usually have not beenin that position before Correct,
and many of them were electedbecause of their pastoral nature
to become cardinals by anyother pick by him because of
their pastoral nature.
And a lot of people don't knowwhat these folks think about
theology.
They're kind of quiet oncertain things and so they, you
(09:24):
know.
So now you're like, well, isthis person gonna vote this way
or is he gonna vote this way?
We don't really know.
You know, what would thosepeople from all over the world?
How will that change?
Kind of the way this goes, youknow, because the factions start
to form, you know.
Okay, let's all get behind thisguy.
Let's all get behind this guyNow let's talk it out for a
(09:47):
little bit.
But then you have all thesewild cards now are coming in,
who might have all kinds ofdifferent thoughts, so it might
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, one of the Holy Father's great themes was, you
know, reaching out to those onthe peripheries and, in terms of
representation in thecardinalariat, I don't even know
what you call it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I think that's right, or?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
the School of Cardinals, college of Cardinals,
college of Cardinals.
There you go.
There are people from aroundthe world that never had a
representation before.
I'm thinking of that, cardinalPete Zabala in Jerusalem.
Jerusalem never had a cardinalbefore, even though they have
one.
And then all parts of the worldwhere the Catholic Church isn't
(10:28):
large but there is someonerepresenting the church there
and he absolutely loved that.
He always went out to wherethere were even very few
Catholics.
Like why in the world would thePope go?
There there's only 5,000Catholics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's exactly why you went there.
That's exactly why right.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
To let them know that they matter and they count and
they're someone.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Last night I sat on my couch and looked at all of
the cardinal electors and theirlittle bio that someone had put
together.
They did a really nice job.
I'll put the website up in theshow notes, but I'm just looking
at some of the countries hereSweden, myanmar, nicaragua, the
Netherlands, malta, rwanda,haiti, japan, a couple in Japan
(11:12):
now South Sudan.
I don't think I've ever had acardinal.
I think he's the only cardinalfrom South Sudan.
It's an interesting group offolks, sure, it's an interesting
group of folks, sure, and theway I so I sort of sized it up a
little bit.
If I were a betting man andsometimes I am it looks like
there's about 74, so about 135cardinals.
(11:32):
It's hard to tell whether it's135 or 138, because folks get
sick and some folks will turn 80and there's all these things
right, but it looked to me likethere would be about 74
cardinals who were kind of inFrancis's mode.
You know he's either appointedthem or they share his thoughts
on things.
That's a pretty high number,because 90 will be the electing
number.
You need 90 votes to win butthen there are 33 that are sort
(11:56):
of middle of the road, you know,or the people we just described
.
You know people who are fromplaces where we don't really
know too much about what theythink, but they're there for
their great pastoral nature.
They've been part of the, youknow, evangelization of peoples
and things like that.
And then more in the BenedictJohn Paul II mode, there's about
28.
(12:17):
So if you put the 33 and the 28together, so if you put the 33
and the 28 together, what's that?
60, 33, 28,.
Math is hard 61.
So it's a little harder to getto 90 than you would think.
You know you'd have to get abunch of people.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But keep in mind that John Paul II made Pope Francis
a cardinal, as Jorge Bergoglio.
That's right, so you reallynever know how this stuff plays
out.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, and that's what I was looking at.
Yeah, I was looking at thecompromise.
I said if anybody has anyconnection to JP II or Benedict
and Francis, I put them in the33 group.
So it's interesting, I mean.
And the Holy Spirit moves, man,you know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The Holy Spirit is—we have a God of surprises, don't
we?
No one expected Pope Francis tobe the Pope Francis, that he
was right.
John Paul II wasn't onanybody's list for a long time,
you know.
And then you know, I thinkBenedict was probably maybe less
of a surprise, but I think alot of people were surprised
when he was elected, you know,and he certainly elected quickly
(13:17):
you know, so they're gonna thefirst day they will have one
vote, they get together and theyonly vote once.
Gonna the first day they willhave one vote, they get together
and they only vote once.
In the first day and then everyday going forward from that,
they have four votes two in themorning, two in the afternoon,
until they can, until they electsomeone, and then, uh, what is
it's after?
(13:40):
let me look here After 15 days,I think it is.
If no one was elected, thenthey stop, they take a break,
they have a day of prayer led byone of the cardinals, probably
by one of the cardinals whosename has been chosen.
And they have a day of prayerand then they go back to voting.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Now, I know that if you're over 80, you're not able
to vote Correct, but you can bepart of the conversations
beforehand.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can you be elected if you're over 80?
Anybody, any baptized male, canbe elected.
You or I could be elected,right?
Not?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
likely but— no, I just wonder Maybe— but we could.
Yes, cardinal Sean O'MalleyCorrect Baptized in Cleveland.
That would be cool.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I was also thinking about him myself.
I said that's someone theycould pick him if they wanted to
.
I don't know how that wouldwork practically.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, I don't think, because if he's not in the room
, you'd have to fly him in nowand then say, do you accept?
And what if he says no?
That's a big waste of I thinkhe's an obedient man.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think he'd say yes, I think he would say yes also.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Probably not who knows, he's what 81?
.
It'd be hard to elect an81-year-old person, I think.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And who knows?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Who knows what the thought will be too.
Do they want to elect someoneolder and have a shorter papacy
after a semi-long papacy withFrancis, someone who's 13 years,
and then you know?
Or do you want to elect someoneyou know who's 57?
John.
Paul yeah, Sit in that seat fora long time.
You know who knows.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who knows?
I think I mean what we can dois we can certainly pray that
the cardinals discern well andchoose the best man for the role
.
I mean that's what it comesdown to on our part.
We could offer masses and fastand pray for the conclave.
It's really important.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Indeed.
Do you have a favorite at thispoint in time?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't have a favorite, but I'm very impressed
with that Cardinal Pete.
Really terrible things, yeah,and he is holding fast to the
faith and letting his peopleknow that they're loved and that
he cares for them, and so muchso that he was willing to
literally lay down his life forhis flock, which I think is
(15:53):
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that sentiment about
him.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm not into like the papabalé and the odds
and all that.
I don't know.
I have a bigger fish to fry andI have more work to do here, so
I'll just kind of let theconclave do its business and
pray for it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
There are two that I like, and one is Cardinal Taglay
, who was at the NationalEucharistic Congress.
He did the homily for the lastmass.
Cua grad, yes, he is, yeah, andfrom the Philippines.
Originally.
He was the Archbishop of Manilafor a while before he took on a
Vatican post.
I find his sense of humor andhis sort of lightheartedness
(16:35):
much in the realm of both JohnPaul II and Francis, I would say
.
You know so he would be anenthusiastic pope.
Enthusiastic pope.
World Youth Day will be inKorea, in South Korea.
So having an Asian pope.
I think would be a nice sign tothe world.
I think it might be time for,you know, for an Asian pope.
I think it might be great.
(16:56):
And the Philippines is, like94%, Catholic too, so I mean
that would be a huge celebrationfor that country.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
They held World Youth Day in 1995.
And at that point it was thebiggest gathering of human
beings ever on record, with 5million or something.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
My friend Jonathan is from the Philippines and he
said I went to work and broughtenough food and clothing for me
for three days because I knew Iwouldn't be able to move in the
city, and he said he was exactlyright.
He said it was just so huge.
So, yeah, and I shared yoursentiment about Cardinal
Pizzabala also, I think thatwith Israel and Gaza right now,
(17:34):
that would be a nice sign ofsaying we need someone who can
kind of live out that wholesituation, I mean, without
divisions.
Right, you know we're going toneed someone to help bring us
all together in so many ways,but that might be a nice sign, I
think, for people to see.
So pray for those two guys inparticular, but pray that the
(17:55):
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Speaker 1 (19:19):
How was your Easter?
I didn't even ask, isn't thathorrible?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
of me.
Oh, it's fine, it was well.
Triduum was fun, but I was allover the place.
So Holy Thursday, concelebratedGiant Cancius, I walked with
that group of 130 young adultsaround Tremont Duck Island and
Ohio City.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know I got to tell you so I'm a little
hampered with a heel spur so Icouldn't walk the whole route.
I did walk a little bit but Idrove in from St Chris with
Emily Allin and pulled in to StWendland's as the first place we
were going to visit and justthe throng of people who were
(19:58):
walking in was really impressive.
We were like wow, look at this.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, well, our group had 130, and I didn't even plan
to be with Catching Fire.
It just so happened.
That was the parish I wound upat and they were there.
And the Maronite group from StMaron's joined in with us too,
and I know Charbel.
But the other folks were new tome and made some new friends.
Father Richard Boner reportedover 415 pilgrims to his parish.
(20:24):
Wow, and the Korean communitysaid over 400 as well.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Nice, yeah, yeah, when I got to Father Bona's
parish he was at 200, and I wasthere pretty early it was
probably like 935 or something.
Yeah, we were there about 1015.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So that was Holy Thursday preached for the bishop
on—I had led Stations of theCross at noon at the cathedral.
On Good Friday, preached theliturgy.
Good Friday, holy Saturday Iwas down at Our Lady of Victory
in Talmadge and then EasterSunday, st James, to a packed
church in Lakewood, which wasawesome.
I love going there.
(21:01):
So yeah, it was great.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, were you at St Chris the whole time.
I was at St Chris the wholetime.
Yeah, holy Thursday.
So first Easter as a deacon forme first.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Week as a deacon, so that was nice.
And so then Holy Thursday waspresent and served as a deacon,
but didn't have any particularrole, I would say, other than
what I usually do.
Yeah, then Good Friday, forgot,didn't forget this, but forgot
(21:33):
how hard it was to lie prostrate.
We did that.
And then I said, as long as I'mnear this chair that I could
like lean on to get myself backup again, I'll be fine.
And so that's what we did.
And then I chanted theintercessions that day, and I
think I did a really nice job ifI do say so myself.
And then Holy Saturday I hadobviously a much larger role, as
I carried the Paschal Candle inand I did sing the exalted.
(21:58):
It was me and a cantor we sortof split it.
He did a line, I did a line, hedid a line.
Long version, Short version,okay, but I did get to preach, I
did get to sing.
The Lord be with you.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I did that part, so that was nice.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The nice thing about the long version is there's two
mentions of bees.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And I did sing that line in the short version,
bishop Wust's brother John sungthe Exalted down in Talmadge,
Did he really?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And he did a really fine job with that.
He has a nice voice.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, the whole community downthere is awesome too, and they
have two seminarians out of thatlittle parish, which is pretty
awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's awesome.
And then I preached 10 o'clockMass to a pretty packed house on
Easter Sunday, so that was nice.
Nice, that's cool.
Pretty packed house on EasterSunday, so that was nice.
Yeah, I was surprised thatDeacon doesn't usually get to
preach on Easter Sunday orChristmas, really, you know.
And so they asked me if I woulddo the 10 o'clock and I said
yeah, absolutely.
So that was fun.
We're still in the Easterseason, second Sunday of Easter,
and the gospel for this comingSunday is the Doubting Thomas.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, Divine Mercy Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Divine Mercy Sunday.
Thomas gets a bad rap issomething I always say with that
gospel.
And the doors were locked, theysat in fear.
And then, when Jesus appears,thomas is not with them.
My question is always where wasThomas?
Did he draw the short straw?
And they said, hey, you need togo and get provisions.
You know we're out of food, solet's draw straws All.
(23:27):
Thomas, go ahead, you go outthere.
Or did he just say I'm sick andtired of sitting here and I'm
gonna go If they kill me?
They kill me.
I'm getting out of here for alittle while and maybe just went
and take a walk, you know, andthen come back?
And then he says you guys arehallucinating.
I don't believe a word of whatyou're saying.
And then what I love about itis, if you notice, in the gospel
(23:50):
, thomas doesn't have toactually touch the wounds of
Jesus, jesus just invites him totouch the wounds.
And then he just says my Lordand my God, without ever doing
anything.
So that's you know.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And he may or may not have done it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
The Caravaggio painting has him doing it, but
we don't know for certain.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
We don't know, but we know the invitation was there
and I like the wounded businessthat the Lord wants to make his
way into our wounds to heal them, and he does that by inviting
us into his wounds, like here.
I'm showing you my wounds Now.
Don't be afraid to show meyours, because the way to deepen
your relationship with the Lordis not to make yourself perfect
(24:27):
, because none of us can do that.
It's actually to show the Lordwhere you're hurting and let him
in so he could do his healingwork on you.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, and to witness the wounds of others and see
them as Christ.
And I think that's a greatexample that Pope Francis gave
us, that he was unafraid to goto the wounded to see all the
folks who no one would want tosee and to embrace them.
How many people had, like youknow, disfigured faces and
things like that, that heembraced and kissed and really
(24:55):
led by example.
So it'll all be good for thisweekend.
Amen, amen.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Good show, see, and maybe by the next time we well,
we won't have a new pope by thenext time, but you won't hear
the Holy Father's name.
It's just removed from theEucharistic prayer, so it's just
Edward, our bishop.
That's right, unless a priest,out of habit, says it, which
happens from time to time.
It wouldn't be intentionalthough.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yesterday at Mass, father Clebo just said Edward,
our bishop, and I kind of did adouble take.
I was like, yeah, so it will bethat way for a little while
until we get a new pope, yeah,and then we'll see what happens.
We'll be probably prettyconclave heavy on this show for
(25:42):
the next couple weeks.
So we'll have that and a wholelot more here next time.
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