December 8, 2025 • 47 mins
“Sean Combs: The Reckoning & The Cost of Power” digs into what happens when talent, ego, abuse and an industry built on exploitation collide. In this episode of Queue Points, DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray unpack the recent docuseries “Sean Combs: The Reckoning,” tracing how Diddy’s rise from hungry Mt. Vernon kid to global mogul was shaped—and warped—by the systems and elders who groomed him, and by his own relentless need for power and validation. What emerges is a portrait of a man who mastered the art of packaging Black culture for profit while allegedly leaving deep harm in his wake.
The hosts examine how the documentary weaves together their own formative hip‑hop years with Diddy’s ascent, using archival footage and Diddy’s own images to let him “tell on himself.” They discuss how the film balances conspiracy‑tinged speculation with documented fact, and why director Alex Stapleton’s approach avoids feeling like a cheap hit piece even as it surfaces disturbing stories about contracts, control and alleged abuse. From Uptown Records to Bad Boy, they connect Diddy’s business moves to a lineage of “OG predators” in the music industry who turned Black talent into a marketplace built on hidden fine print.
From there, the conversation turns to Diddy as a personality: a “hermit crab,” as Sir Daniel describes, who studies people, adopts their style and then moves in on what they value most, whether that’s creative energy, romantic partners or access. Sir Daniel and Jay Ray grapple with how childhood trauma, blurred boundaries and a deep sense of lack may have fed his alleged predatory behavior. They also sit with the pain embedded in stories like Joi Dickerson-Neal’s and Cassie’s, reading them as early and recent warnings about what power without accountability can do.
The episode also tackles 50 Cent’s role. The hosts interrogate how homophobia and fragile masculinity continue to shape hip‑hop’s responses to Diddy’s alleged behavior, from casual “fruity” comments on national TV to the way rumors about Diddy’s sexuality overshadow conversations about actual violence and abuse. They argue that sexual violence is fundamentally about power, not orientation, and call out the ways some elder statesmen of the culture are failing younger listeners with shallow, reactionary hot takes.
Ultimately, Sir Daniel and Jay Ray challenge listeners to think about complicity and responsibility—who enabled Diddy, who stayed silent, and what it means to truly support healthy, accountable Black media in this moment. They spotlight creators and platforms that are pushing more thoughtful conversations about gender, sexuality and harm in Black communities, and insist that if we want better elders and better examples, we have to actively back the work that feeds us.
Key takeaways:
- “Sean Combs: The Reckoning” uses Diddy’s own footage and era‑defining archives to show how his rise and alleged abuses were intertwined with the evolution of modern Black music.
- The documentary situates Diddy in a lineage of powerful industry figures who exploited artists through predatory contracts and behind‑the‑scenes manipulation.
- Diddy’s alleged behavior is framed less as about sex and more as about power, control, grooming and a deep, unresolved need for validation.
- 50 Cent’s petty, homophobia‑tinged vendetta helped bring the doc to life, raising questions about motive without erasing the seriousness of the allegations it surfaces.
- The hosts call for supporting responsible Black media and creators who model accountable, nuanced conversations about harm, masculinity and culture.
Chapter Markers
00:00 Intro Theme
00:16 Introduction and Greetings
01:01 The Importance of Black Music and Culture
05:55 Diddy's Transformation and Influence
09:04 Diddy's Personality and Controversies
29:04 Cassie's Story and Diddy's...
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Sir Daniel (00:16):
Gotta love it.
Greetings and welcome to anotherepisode of Queue Points podcast.
I'm dj Sir Daniel, I,
Jay Ray (00:22):
and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government
as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.
I have a cold, sir Daniel.
Sir Daniel (00:31):
was gonna say, what is this bedroom voice?
What are we doing here?
Are we
trying
Jay Ray (00:35):
give
Sir Daniel (00:35):
to
Jay Ray (00:35):
to the people.
Yes.
Sir Daniel (00:38):
whole different audience?
Jay Ray (00:39):
We want the, the quiet storm audience should
be listening to Queue Points.
Welcome
to Queue Points,
Sir Daniel (00:46):
Shout out to, um, to Brother Melvin.
Um, Lindsey, yes, for pioneering thequiet storm and to Jay Ray, Johnnie
Ray Kornegay III, picking up the mantleand doing his thing on this episode.
Jay Ray, I gotta say though, we, we areabout to get into it, but before we get
into the discussion at hand, I just gottasay, between this administration wanting
(01:12):
to erase, you know, black history andblack culture and the antics of said
black culture keepers and creators,
Jay Ray (01:24):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (01:24):
I feel like the future of specifically black music and
the heritage of black music isin clear and immediate danger
Jay Ray (01:37):
because
Sir Daniel (01:38):
the things that we're about to discuss during this episode.
Jay Ray (01:41):
That's fair.
Uh, that's fair.
But I also think that's why we existand that's why we need to have this
conversation because we are going towrite this ship here in Queue Points land.
But I do, I I agree with you.
I think if we let things slidethe way things have been going,
Sir Daniel (02:04):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (02:05):
we are in danger of one losing all the recipes.
Of course we have to talk about the factthat, uh, the Diddy documentary happened.
So both
Sir Daniel (02:14):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (02:15):
and I, watched 'Sean Combs
Sir Daniel (02:20):
On the.
Jay Ray (02:20):
and, and, and what.
Was very, and we've, we've said thison the show, but the, the documentary,
uh, did a wonderful job of weavingtogether, sir Daniel, which is what is
essentially our teenage years, right?
The years that we kind of wereformulating, um, you know, our
musical gaining our musical knowledge,formulating our tastes, and all of
(02:43):
these things were the same yearsthat, uh, one Sean Combs was kind of
ascending into his, uh, his businesscareer, his music career, et cetera.
And this documentary, does areally good job of telling,
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blending conspiracy with truth.
You know what I'm saying?
Sir Daniel (03:09):
You gotta say that.
Yes.
Jay Ray (03:11):
know, it's, it's, it's like a little bit of.
I see what you're doing there.
We don't know that that's factual.
It's a thing a lot of people say,but I guess that is the mark of a
good documentary is that you kind of,you have to suck the people in and
(03:31):
sometimes you have to suck the peoplein with what the people be thinking.
Sir Daniel (03:36):
Right.
Uh, and yes, yes to everything thatyou said, documentaries, and we
all know I love a good documentary.
Um, documentaries alsohave to be entertaining.
You
Jay Ray (03:48):
They do,
Sir Daniel (03:49):
know, they have to be entertaining and, you know,
fact or fiction, sometimes
Jay Ray (03:54):
a
Sir Daniel (03:55):
a lie.
And Charlemagne, the God has always saidthis fact or fiction a lie is always
almost more entertaining than the truth.
So that had, so with that beingsaid, I gotta say that yes, I
agree that the, the documentaryitself was well, well put together.
Um, IF found it very fascinatingand you found it fascinating as well
(04:18):
that the documentarian, includingthe executive producer Curtis, um,
Jay Ray (04:25):
mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (04:25):
did a miraculous job of finding all of this
footage and literally having.
The, um, subject, tell this whole story,tell on himself, basically with their own
footage, which I thought was very wild.
And, and as we're seeing in the, in thepast few days that a lot of cease and
(04:46):
desists are coming out, a lot of, uh,you don't have my permission, um, talk is
happening and a lot of people are upsetabout being included in this documentary.
And we'll get to that part later on in theconversation because 50 cent is part of
the bigger conversation that we're havinghere, and it's, it's kind of ridiculous.
(05:09):
So I will say.
I was not pressed to see thisdocumentary at first Jay Ray, only
because to this date, Jay Ray there areclose to 10 docuseries already about,
or dedicated to deconstructing thelife and career of Sean Diddy Combs.
There's almost 10 of them already.
(05:31):
It's kind of like the, um, when r Kelly,when the r Kelly Mix tapes dropped,
the doctors,
Jay Ray (05:37):
r
Sir Daniel (05:38):
I call them mix tapes, you know, there just seems to be an another
one popping up everybody wants, ischopping at the bit to tell this story.
Jay Ray (05:46):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (05:46):
And I mean, at first I was like, there's not a whole lot here
that I can learn or that I'm goingto glean from this, but I did find.
First thing I wanna say, Sean Combs,when you find those children be like,
Hmm, that's not a good looking kid.
But maybe when they grow intotheir face or they grow into their
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looks, he's definitely one of thosepeople because those early, um, the
early years when he was dancing inthe, uh, Stacey Lattisaw video and
whatnot, it was like he was so skinny
Jay Ray (06:21):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (06:21):
and that face was, it almost looked cartoonlike
to see that he, how he's grown into the,um, face that he, that he has now, and
to grow into the body that he has now.
It was kind of weird, butit was so funny to it.
Just one of those things I was like,that was not a good looking young
man when he was on the come up.
Jay Ray (06:43):
So I think this is actually a very interesting point,
and I loved, so to going back.
I
Sir Daniel (06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (06:50):
I didn't watch any of the other documentaries.
Sir Daniel (06:53):
Okay.
Jay Ray (06:53):
why, I all, you know why?
I do know why, because Ifelt like they was too soon.
I was like, I felt like all of theseother documentaries came out and it
was really too soon and I couldn't, Iwas like, eh, I'm just gonna avoid it.
So I never saw any of'em, like none of 'em.
Right.
So I found interesting to the point oftalking about the look and, um, I think
(07:18):
it was Kirk Burrows who talked aboutthis, who was like, no, no, no, no.
Like I watched Sean be made into cool.
Sir Daniel (07:27):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (07:28):
you know, he had the drive.
Clearly, if there's one thing weknow about about Diddy is that he's
always had the drive to be like abusinessman and has always wanted
to be in front of the camera.
God bless him.
That man has never met a camerahe ain't wanna be in front of.
Sir Daniel (07:43):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (07:45):
he was also kind of a dork.
Sir Daniel (07:47):
Yeah,
Jay Ray (07:47):
I mean?
He was also kind of a dork.
so to study to, to, to, to watch Diddy inthat era, that Stacey Lattisaw video, it
was hilarious to watch him go from thatto be a little cooler in the Finesse Sinis
video to be like a little cooler by thetime he starts hosting these parties where
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you're like incrementally getting cooler.
And I feel like the weird part thatyou're seeing is Diddy is picking up.
Point pieces from people as he goes along.
So as he's moving, he's picking up pieces.
Sir Daniel (08:29):
I am so glad you said that because it made me
think of this theory of that.
There's a old, um, Angelina Jolie movie.
She plays a detective or something, andshe's chasing down the serial killer
and she calls them a hermit crab.
The, and the her, and the reason why shecalls him a hermit crab or is that he.
Just, um, what a hermit crabdoes, it always sheds its shell
Jay Ray (08:55):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (08:55):
and it's always looking for something to, um, something new
to put his body into or to putonto some armor to put onto it.
And that is exactly what Sean Combs is.
Sean Combs is, is one of thosepersonalities, uh, personality
types that likes to take on.
He sees something that, and he covetsit and he wants to be it so bad to
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the point where he will, um, take onthe characteristics and become the
thing that he's trying that he covets.
Jay Ray (09:27):
Wow.
Sir Daniel (09:28):
And so two things.
Um, I mommy issues I don't think is an cancover or describe what that young man has.
Mommy issues does not go,
Jay Ray (09:42):
wow.
Sir Daniel (09:42):
does not pay any justice.
And two, um.
When you, I think that when you takeon other people's personalities just so
that you can take what they have, that'sa different kind of monster because
(10:05):
I, that's the thing that jumped out.
Thank you.
Debauch reason in the chat,it's called Taking Lives.
That's exactly the name of the movie.
When you do that, he went so far as notonly did he want your life and to be you
and to have your essence right, I'll besure he wanted to take something that
you prized that was a prized possessionof yours, which was Kim Porter and when
Jay Ray (10:30):
what?
Sir Daniel (10:31):
and if nothing else, Didi may not have ever been the best rapper.
He may have platinum albums andthose things to his accolades.
But the one thing that Diddy has mastered,he's the master of the dirty macing.
Diddy is the master of dirty macing.
He'll get close to you justso that he can take your girl,
Jay Ray (10:52):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (10:52):
marry her, impregnate her, um, and, and keep her locked
away because he is that needy.
He is that needy.
He is that big of a gaping hole.
Almost said pause there,but he has that much,
Jay Ray (11:08):
less
Sir Daniel (11:08):
he has that much just later.
He has he that much of a gaping hole inhis soul that he needs to fill it with
people, with, um, with and covetingthe things that they already have.
And, and, and the accolades.
That's the one, that's the mainthing that I took away from this,
um, from this documentary and.
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We see what it has done to him.
What that personality disorder.
'cause I feel like it'sa personality disorder
Jay Ray (11:37):
Oh
Sir Daniel (11:37):
done to him.
Jay Ray (11:38):
I, I, I, I agree.
I think so a couple of things I,I, I wanna, I wanna, uh, mention
here, shout out to the director.
Her name is Alex Stapleton.
I believe it's Alexandra Stapleton,but she goes by Alex Stapleton.
I think Alex and team did a really goodjob of taking a project that could have
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been just like salacious for salacioussake and really did try and add some,
uh, some, some, some good foundationinto it to be like, no, no, no, no.
We're actually making a movieand talking about how this person
existed in all of our lives.
Because real, Diddy has been apart of all of our lives, uh,
Sir Daniel (12:28):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (12:28):
You know what I'm saying?
kind of the monster.
The monster of an industrythat fed that ego.
So I, I think Alex definitelydeserves some, some props for that.
I also wanna mention that thisdocumentary is also a, a master
class in stuff can be two things.
Sir Daniel (12:50):
Hmm.
Jay Ray (12:51):
can be like really talented at a thing and molding it into something
that people would want to buy.
He's like, man, like he will seethat talent and be like, boom, I
can package this thing right hereyear and make it into something.
Sir Daniel (13:13):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (13:14):
Master of that.
And also an awful human being,you know what I'm saying?
At the exact scene, you know, like andso the other, the other piece of this is.
There would, I liked that the peoplewho were speaking in this documentary,
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I don't feel like it was a hit piece.
I, I really did feel like they wereactually just speaking from experience.
Like, no, this is what happened.
That as I recall it,
Sir Daniel (13:46):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (13:48):
and this is what this guy was doing as I recall it, right.
And we have evidence that it was true.
So they were weaving allof the pieces together.
Like when they was talking about like,you know, how Diddy learned according to
them, learned how Andre Harrell did thecontracts over at Uptown and they was
(14:09):
like, oh no, Diddy took that and did it.
Even tighter than that was like, youare never going to figure out where
the money is, how your money got spent.
None of that.
Like, he tightened allof that stuff up and.
like, damn.
Like, but then you realize Diddy waslearning from the OGs, the Russell
Sir Daniel (14:34):
the
Jay Ray (14:35):
the Andre
Sir Daniel (14:35):
OG Predators,
Jay Ray (14:37):
OG Predators, you
Sir Daniel (14:38):
Yeah, I mean
Jay Ray (14:39):
mean,
Sir Daniel (14:39):
we, we've said, we have conceded that even with the
growth of this culture, as we talkabout hip hop with growth comes the
commercial part, the money aspect.
And with the money aspect comes a lotof filth, a lot of grimy, a lot of
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grimy characters and grimy behavior.
And time has shown us that alot of these people, yes, we got
to see them in the limelight.
They presented a lot of, you know,champagne wishes and caviar dreams.
However, they weremonsters in the background,
Jay Ray (15:19):
and.
Sir Daniel (15:19):
they learned it from the other monsters that have been in
control of the, the music industryfor, you know, for years, for decades.
And so what we, and so you kind of can'tbe mad at it because that is the game.
But yes, you can be mad at it becausethese are people that you have sole dreams
(15:46):
to that are naturally gifted and you'reexploiting their gifts because you realize
what it can mean for you in the future.
Jay Ray (15:55):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (15:55):
But again, that is the nature of the business.
So now, um.
You mentioned Andre Harrell, youmentioned, um, Russell Simmons.
Um, I was taken aback because I wantto, um, acknowledge Joy Dickerson Neil.
Jay Ray (16:15):
That was, while that segment.
That
Sir Daniel (16:18):
That segment was really, um, was eye was eyeopening because I
recognized, when I saw the Steady Balbum cover, I was like, oh, that is her.
Jay Ray (16:30):
yeah.
Sir Daniel (16:31):
And then Jay Ray, when they flashed to the Finesse and quiz
video, I was like, that's her fromthe Cabrio le riding around with Diddy
with the big white apple jack hat on.
And, but I gotta pause real
Jay Ray (16:45):
real
Sir Daniel (16:45):
one second to get to shout out Fines, essence, and quiz the si.
The title of that song for thatvideo was Straight From the Soul.
That bar where, um,joy Dickerson shows up.
Jay Ray (16:58):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (16:59):
If you listen to the lyrics, I would love to ask them.
It was like, did Didiinspire those lyrics?
Because you all areclearly talking about him.
Even though at that time, as everybodysaid, Didi was not into drugs, he was
not into alcohol, all of those things, hekept all of those demons away from him.
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He was not into that.
But that lyric of you can't talkpositive and do the opposite.
Jay Ray (17:25):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (17:25):
Sniff and smoke, sniff and snort, drink and drive
and have your sister strip.
Jay Ray (17:30):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (17:30):
And I was like, they, they were, I, they weren't maybe describing him
then, but they were seeing into the futurebecause that is exactly what he became.
If you all need to hear that song, I'msure you could pull it up on YouTube.
I thought that was just so ironicand telling and very futuristic on
the, on the, um, behalf of Finesseand Quiz to make that rhyme.
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And for him to be, uh, to, to have acameo in the video for that particular
bar was just, it was not lost on me.
It might have went over some of y'allheads, but you know me, you know, I'm
the, um, the female rap historian.
So those things definitely stoodout to me with regards to this,
um, to this, to this docuseries.
Jay Ray (18:15):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (18:16):
you know, joy Dickerson was like one of the first, well, not
the first, but she clearly was one ofthe beginning, one of the victims of
the beginning of, um, revenge porn.
Jay Ray (18:30):
Yeah,
Sir Daniel (18:30):
You know
Jay Ray (18:31):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (18:31):
what we saw if,
Jay Ray (18:32):
because
Sir Daniel (18:33):
what we saw is we, we know that the reason why we have
this documentary, documentaryis that Diddy, um, documents
everything with his, with videos.
There are videos everywhere.
There's a somebody with acamera rolling at all times.
And that was happening way
back in the late eighties, early nineties.
So I can only imagine, I don't thinkit's far from, it's not hard to
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imagine that he was in fact recording
Jay Ray (19:00):
people
Sir Daniel (19:00):
people having sex because again, that they tie the,
they tie the two together again.
Alpo, who is a, um, a Harlem legend,uh, drug dealer, like they said,
Alpo would video, would recordsex sessions between him and other
girls and would play them in public.
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And Diddy, once again, onceso bad to have the clout, the
kids call it clout chasing now.
He wanted that clout and thatkind of reputation, so he would
start doing the same things.
So it's like, you know what Icould you, you sold me on that one.
I can believe this theory.
Jay Ray (19:40):
You know, and so going back, so, uh, uh, uh, Kimberly, you mentioned
before like, are y'all gonna makeme wanna go see this documentary?
And this is why I actually think thisdocumentary is particularly interesting
and why I think Alex and Team deserve.
Kudos.
Um, because they take these pieces ofand nineties, black history, New York
Sir Daniel (20:08):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (20:09):
and weave them together in ways to explain potentially, right.
The theories potentiallyexplain Diddy was doing some of
the things that he was doing.
So coming with all the stufffrom the history, we talk
about the mom stuff, right?
Coming with all of that, the, thelooming, uh, a ghost of his father, right?
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And trying to live up towhatever that legacy was.
And we don't even know whatthe truth of that is, right?
But try to live up to that, themommy stuff and the wanting to be
cool, the wanting to be accepted, theclout, chaser, nature of who he is.
It's all in here.
And here's what's crazy about thattoo, is I'm, I'm watching this.
(20:55):
Documentary and I'm watchingDiddy in present day.
'cause one, can I just, p canwe just take a minute and say
how I was about to say pause?
Can we just take a minute andsay how crazy it is that he
would be documenting all of this?
Sir Daniel (21:13):
Right, because
he re, he believes it's crazy, buthe believes so much in himself and
that he hasn't done anything wrong.
I haven't done anything wrong.
I'm just a kid from Harlem thatpulled myself up by my bootstraps.
I haven't done anything wrong and the,and this is going, and I'm gonna be,
I'm gonna be proven innocent and I'mgonna be victorious as I always come
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out victorious in these situations.
Jay Ray (21:39):
Yeah.
Yes.
Sir Daniel (21:42):
Yes.
Jay Ray (21:42):
I'm, I'm so confused.
Like I was literallyconfused, like, how so?
It makes me to that point.
Yes sir. Daniel, you areabsolutely right and it makes me.
the type of person who would do that.
And I don't know what that diagnosis is.
(22:02):
I ain't in that, I ain't sitting inthat man's therapy sessions, but I'm
like, what kind of person would recordall of this happening to that point?
Sir Daniel (22:14):
An apex predator.
Jay Ray (22:16):
Oh my god.
You know what was disappointing to me?
Um, watching his boy children
Sir Daniel (22:25):
Ah.
Jay Ray (22:25):
young men.
Sir Daniel (22:26):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (22:27):
There next to him.
This is their father who'sclearly not in a good state.
Like there's pieces of this documentary.
He's clearly high.
Sir Daniel (22:35):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (22:37):
shuffling around this hotel room like Ozzy Osborne, like slurring his
words and his, you know, you have, uh,Justin and uh, Christian, uh, king Holmes.
Uh, Holmes is Christian.
I think
Sir Daniel (22:52):
That is.
Jay Ray (22:52):
kind of in the space with him.
And I'm like, one, I don'tknow who, I don't know why your
sons are your best friends.
I don't understand that.
And two, why I wouldn't, I wouldnot, I loved my dad, loved him.
We didn't hang out.
We might on occasion go out.
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But we didn't hang out,you know what I'm saying?
Like, we wasn't hanging, we wasn't atthe same spots, you know what I mean?
Especially doing thethings that Diddy is doing.
And there were so many moments wherepeople would be like, oh, you know,
Justin and Diddy were in there.
And I'm like, in there doing what?
Like,
Sir Daniel (23:34):
Yeah.
Well, again, going back to what Isaid in the beginning, what we saw,
what, what is documented is thatthere are clear, there were clear
boundary issues, um, in his upbringing.
Between him and his parent.
His, um, allegedly his mom exposedhim to whatever, uh, hustler
(23:57):
lifestyle she was doing becauseclearly she, you know, she had a
lifestyle that she wanted to maintain.
Jay Ray (24:03):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (24:03):
And even in, um, after the murder of his father, she
was maintaining that lifestyle.
But, and then she was doing thingsto, to confuse those things.
Confuse children when they're growing up.
When you assign them adult rolesat a ch at a, at a very young age,
those things can confuse you andyou start to think that, yes, I am
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an adult, and that there are no.
Boundaries between adults and children.
And then, so that's what you'reseeing now is that he has always
had a hard time with boundaries.
That's when I don't think boundaries,I don't think boundaries and Sean
Combs exist in the same sentence.
Like, and that's the thing thateverybody has in common with him, is
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that he always violates boundaries.
And so he's violated the boundariesbetween parents and children.
So it doesn't shock me thatyou see him rolling up and
passing a joint to his sons.
You know, even though some mightsay, that's not really a big deal.
I'll drink with my dad and I'llsmoke with my dad and whatnot.
(25:11):
Fine.
But I'm not gonna,
Jay Ray (25:13):
Yeah.
yeah, yeah,
Sir Daniel (25:13):
yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you on that.
However, when it comes to allegedly, um.
You know, engaging in sexualactivity with your dad.
And those are the things, those,that's pre, that is sexual assault.
Jay Ray (25:29):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (25:29):
That is, um, if you were, uh, now I'm not gonna use that word,
but that is a sexual assault to on, onyour child when you do those things.
And again, you confuse themabout those boundaries.
And I can guarantee you that thosechildren in a couple years, those two, I
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think those two particular in particular
are going to, something isgonna come up in the future
where they're gonna get accused
of violent.
Jay Ray (26:00):
has
Sir Daniel (26:01):
That is true.
Not, yeah.
Wait, Christian or Justin?
Both of them,
Jay Ray (26:05):
Cole.
Sir Daniel (26:05):
actually.
Both of
them.
Jay Ray (26:06):
I think
Sir Daniel (26:07):
Because Justin was, Justin was well on his way to having a football
career, but that got sidetracked becausehe, you know, he, he wanted to be Billy
Badass and he got into an altercation and.
Uh, you see, he's notplaying football anywhere
anymore for anybody.
He's
Jay Ray (26:24):
What do, what talent do?
These kids have
Sir Daniel (26:27):
being, being a combs, being daddy's little.
He being daddy's little
henchman.
Jay Ray (26:32):
they're a Combs J
right?
Sir Daniel (26:35):
They're combs, they're comb, they're part of the, they're,
they're part of the honeycombs,
the honeycomb.
Jay Ray (26:42):
Jaguar, right?
So, oh, to this, to this pointactually, um, I, the other thing
about this documentary that I thinkis really interesting, uh, people.
This is part of the reason whythis show is titled Where what it
is is like, uh, grow Grow to F Up.
(27:04):
Because people have made a lot of ofjokes about the gay stuff, but I'm
like, you look at this documentaryand you realize like that is really
a non-actor in this conversation.
Actually it means nothing to the grandscheme of things that are going on.
(27:25):
I don't even think, I think it mayhave come up like a little bit with
the Kirk Borough sharing his story,
Sir Daniel (27:32):
And don't forget little Rod.
Jay Ray (27:33):
Little Rod.
It came up with a littleride, but really not at all.
people making a big dealout of it was so dumb.
'cause I'm like, what we've beensaying is that's not even a big
deal
Sir Daniel (27:44):
It is not, it's really because if you understand what is
behind sexual assault, sexual assaultis not about pleasure or gratification.
It is strictly about power
Jay Ray (28:02):
and control.
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (28:03):
and control.
Sean Diddy Combs has always been, hasalways been, has always been about
asserting power and control and heis going to do use whatever tactic
Jay Ray (28:17):
tactic
Sir Daniel (28:17):
is.
Um, is most, um, is available rightthere and then at, to, to do it with.
And if that means he's going to, youknow, um, pull down your pants and
drug, you pull down your pants andand do something to you while you are
inebriated, he's gonna do that becausehe is got it recorded, because he is
(28:40):
gonna put, hold that over your head.
Jay Ray (28:42):
Jesus
Sir Daniel (28:43):
not above doing any of those things because he wants
to exert power and control.
So it really has absolutely nothingto do with sex and sexuality.
Um, there's nothing romanticabout anything that he's done.
And before we move on to the, tothis, to that section Jay Ray, 'cause
I know where we're going with this.
(29:04):
I do want to say, we talked aboutthe whole Cassie situation and the
one thing that that resonated withme throughout this whole thing is
when Cassie, um, ran into Kalina.
A backstage at that bad boy reunionand Kaleena was pregnant and Cassie was
like, see, that's what I'm talking about.
(29:26):
That is what I want.
Jay Ray (29:28):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (29:28):
want that.
Cassie wanted desperately growing into awoman, wanted desperately to be a mother,
Jay Ray (29:34):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (29:35):
and I had always said, J Ray, when they were to, when we had no idea
what was going on, I just kept sayingto myself, I really can't believe that
he has not knocked her up like he is not
Jay Ray (29:46):
knocking a heed, like walk past a woman as she
Sir Daniel (29:48):
as they get pregnant and twins, he has the capacity
to have twins and everything.
And I said, Hmm.
He never got her pregnant.
And all that said to, thatwas divine intervention.
To me, that was completely divineintervention because as soon as she was
free from that man and got married and gotinto a safe and loving relationship, boom.
(30:11):
Pregnant right then, right off the.
I was like, you can't tell me thatthat wasn't divine intervention.
So, you know, I just, and one otherthing that we have to talk about that
was very, um, made implicit with thisdocuseries is the willingness of people
(30:33):
at all, um, at all eras of his career.
The willingness of people to go alongwith what's happening and turn a blind eye
Jay Ray (30:44):
because
Sir Daniel (30:45):
because there's, I guess there's this, there's this, I.
Hypnosis that comes along with being inthe power, in the proximity of power or
perceived power that a lot of people have.
And I've seen it in person IJ Ray.
Ooh, such a great example.
There's a, a legendary radioannouncer here in Atlanta
Jay Ray (31:08):
that,
Sir Daniel (31:08):
that, um, was present at an event that Diddy
used to have called Think Big,
Jay Ray (31:15):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (31:17):
Diddy, of course, was being real Hollywood and did not show up to
the event when he said he was, he wasfashionably late, this legendary, um,
radio announcer, um, did the thing,made his announcements and was like,
looked at his watch and was like, huh,
Jay Ray (31:34):
like,
Sir Daniel (31:34):
Diddy don't know.
Diddy don't know who he dealing with.
I, you know, I run Atlanta.
I'm about to be outta here.
I got things to do.
But, and he literally was toldeverybody, I'll see you all later.
Jay Ray (31:46):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (31:47):
And started walking to his car.
Don't you know when those limos pulledup, like it was a scene outta coming
to America when the limos pulled up,that grown man made up Beline from
the car, from his car way off in theparking lot and pumped on back over
to where we were when he saw, um,Sean Diddy Combs come out and hopped
(32:12):
in there and was, you know, Sam,
Sam bowing and
Jay Ray (32:16):
building.
Sir Daniel (32:17):
did, yeah.
Hey y'all, you know Diddy in the building?
Remember that scene of waiting toexhale when Robin came through with
that crack head to the party with
all the white people?
That's how he was acting when Diddy showedup and he was just all over the place.
Like, I mean, it was really fascinatingto witness in real time what star
(32:39):
power, and I'm putting up air quotes.
Jay Ray (32:41):
Hmm.
Sir Daniel (32:41):
Can make people do.
But I said all of that to say that theproximity to power is super dangerous.
I think, I guess it's very intoxicatingand will have people doing things that
they wouldn't necessarily do becauseI, we hear things about this current
administration that people, for whateverreason, when they get into the, this
(33:02):
current president's um, uh, area, whenthey get around him, they, for whatever
reason, they start kowtowing to him.
And it's embarrassingfrom what I understand.
And they start wanting to, theyfeel like I'm going to get some
power just being in your presence.
And I said all that to say that thatis such a dangerous thing because
(33:22):
so many people got hurt becauseso many people turned a blind eye
Jay Ray (33:26):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (33:27):
and, and saw things that happened and were too scared
or didn't feel like they had enoughpower to do anything, which continued
to make this, um, this monster.
Grow to be the person he is.
Jay Ray (33:41):
you know what?
That is actually a perfect segueinto, I think this is a good place to.
Talk about 50 cent.
two things.
First thing is, I hate thatwhite people call him 50 cent.
I think that's stupid.
Okay?
They keep doing it andwe're here with 50 cent.
(34:02):
That is not it.
It's just 50 cent.
It's fine.
Sir Daniel (34:05):
that's right up there.
We're calling Atlanta A TL
Jay Ray (34:07):
A
Sir Daniel (34:07):
or Hot.
Jay Ray (34:08):
or Hot Atlanta.
Um, SO'S thing number one.
Sir Daniel (34:13):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (34:13):
Thing number two is
there's 50 is not a benevolent figure.
You know what I'm saying?
Like by any means, and I think
it is wild.
So when you talk aboutfeeding a monster, right?
(34:37):
Ah.
It is crazy to know that this man madethis documentary because he could,
more importantly, he made it because he
really hates Diddy.
Like, he just is like, listen,I not only have the power to do
this, have the desire to do this.
(35:02):
that is weird to have that kind ofdesire fed, even though Alex did a
great job with creating this, I thinkthey took a subject that could have
been, uh, uh, salacious and made itinto something that is compelling.
Sir Daniel (35:21):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (35:23):
you know, the man did this because he hates him.
Sir Daniel (35:28):
At the root of it.
This man, I mean, pe Petty, pettydoesn't begin to encapsulate
Curtis 50 cent Jackson.
And I mean, he is self-proclaimed.
He is self-proclaimed,petty, the king of petty.
Jay Ray (35:48):
He,
Sir Daniel (35:48):
He, he does not mind, um, saying that he is petty and he does.
And he told us years ago that if,if we got beef, we got beef forever,
it's, it's up and it's stuck.
He, um, because he and I, that's agreat, um, that is a great point.
(36:11):
Ko said that 50 low key should be calledthe finisher with how he buries careers.
He, it, it, it becomes his, itbecomes his job to make sure that
you are penniless with no friends.
Jay Ray (36:27):
friends.
Sir Daniel (36:28):
With not even a shirt on your back.
It is his job.
Now, we, us Queue Points started offthis conversation about the documentary
because it's in the zeitgeist and it'sstuff that we needed to, to discuss, but
as you said, at the root of it all, thisall has come about because of homophobia
(36:53):
and perceived thishomophobia on the, on the,
Jay Ray (36:58):
the, on the
Sir Daniel (36:58):
the part of Curtis because he perceived that, um,
Diddy was inviting him on, wantedto take him on a shopping spree,
something that happenedmaybe 20 years ago.
Jay Ray (37:14):
ago.
Long time.
Sir Daniel (37:16):
A very long time ago.
Um, we know that could,was Sean being serious?
Probably that he would,because that's what, yes.
He, he is a predator and yes, hedoes that as part of his grooming.
He does do those things to getyou to gain your confidence and
to, to make you feel comfortable.
To let your guard down.
(37:36):
Yes.
Perceived ho, ho, well, notperceived, um, but the perceived,
um, sexuality part of it all.
Um, he uses, he still to this dayat his grown age, uses the term
fruity to describe, to describe
the conversation.
Yes.
He's, he was on a Good MorningAmerica and used the term fruity.
(37:58):
That,
that, did he,
Jay Ray (37:59):
were still using the term fruity.
Okay.
Sir Daniel (38:01):
Curtis, Curtis Jackson sat up there in front
of Robin, um, what's her name?
Robin.
Um.
Robin Roberts and call that manfruity on national television,
daytime television at that.
Jay Ray (38:12):
Okay.
Sir Daniel (38:13):
so, right.
So we're talking about two decades of aperceived comment, because really this
is, I think this is more of a perceivedattack on his sexuality, meaning
that 50
Jay Ray (38:28):
SHA
Sir Daniel (38:28):
50 probably was
Jay Ray (38:29):
do too much
Sir Daniel (38:32):
exactly, it's like 50 was like, well, how, what makes you
think that You can say that to me?
Am I giving off something that makesyou think that you can take me trick
on me and you could take me out to,to, to, to dinner and go and take me to
VIM and go shopping for new sneakers?
You know, those.
So he, to me, he overthought that.
(38:53):
First of all, he overthought that.
First of all, I'm sure.
Do you know how many peopleDiddy has taken shopping?
Dudes like, I'm sure he'staking the clip shopping.
He's taking all of those Pharrell,he's taking all of those boys,
all of those guys shopping, andthey ain't say a word about it.
They got their Louis Vuitton, thoseLouis Vuitton fanny packs and hid it.
(39:14):
They got what they needed and bounced.
But his, that internalized homophobia
Jay Ray (39:21):
Oof.
Sir Daniel (39:22):
got Curtis in a choke hole and made him sink all of his money into, um,
into putting together this documentary.
And that's why, part of the reasonwhy we say, seriously, y'all,
y'all have got to grow the bleep up
Jay Ray (39:38):
yes,
Sir Daniel (39:39):
it's not just 50.
There is this ongoing, the,the, the, the grown men.
That are supposed to be.
The elder statesmen of hip hopright now are just so disappointing.
They are disappointing me fromleft to right, from all angles.
The ones that now have podcasts, theyare all disappointing me with these
(40:00):
very stunted, emotionally immature, hottakes and behaviors that is just taking
over their lives and is influencing thelives, influencing the lives of a lot
of young men that are watching them.
So if you wanna fightit, you have to support.
(40:22):
The people that are putting togetherthe quality content that you want to
see, the quality content that you wannashare with the young people in your lives
that you feel could benefit from it.
It's not gonna happen, um, by osmosis.
You gonna have to sit, hey, yougonna have to, um, be active and
(40:43):
actively say, I'm gonna activelysubscribe to this podcast because
this brother is, is kicking knowledge.
The if it, thank God for somebodylike a Deontay Kyle right now who is
as a, as a heterosexual man who isreally taking other heterosexual men
to task and holding them accountable.
Jay Ray (41:03):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (41:04):
And it is like, and, and it is not letting up off
their throats, off their necks.
It is just pause.
It is just really what's needed right now
Jay Ray (41:11):
Right.
Sir Daniel (41:12):
I'm so happy for it.
And we just need more of that.
Jay Ray (41:15):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (41:15):
we need to be more supportive of people like, uh,
the grits and X podcasts and Queue
points.
Jay Ray (41:21):
the red Yes.
Queue Points and waving the red flag.
And, and, and Dr. Ed Garsand Sweet Tea Ethics.
And just
Sir Daniel (41:27):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (41:29):
these, these platforms, the Counter Narrative project in CNP, all
fairness, like I, I, I, I work there,
Sir Daniel (41:36):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (41:38):
even just thinking about the event that we had tonight, um,
uh, uh, brother, uh, the, a blackman reading and Charles Stevens and
Doug Jones in conversation about Doug
Sir Daniel (41:47):
Yep.
Jay Ray (41:47):
book.
So we got this straight brotherin conversation with these queer
brothers about this book that hasthese gay characters and really
talking about the stuff and
Sir Daniel (41:56):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (41:57):
conversations back and forth, right?
These are what we need to do.
And so, thank you, sir Daniel for.
Reminding all of us that supportthe things that feed you right?
Share the things that feed you withother people, um, because that's the
only way that these platforms grow.
And, um, and so for y'all, um,unless you have something else
(42:22):
you wanna cover, I wanna tell thepeople how they could support us.
Sir Daniel, what else you would
Sir Daniel (42:25):
Oh, the, the only thing I wanna do really quickly
Jay Ray (42:28):
uhhuh
Sir Daniel (42:28):
is speaking of supporting and feeding the things that will
feed us, I wanted to give a shoutout to our friend Asha d Simon,
Jay Ray (42:36):
Yay.
Sir Daniel (42:37):
has, um, just recently released his book, um,
Jay Ray (42:41):
Uh, uh, uh, it is Faith
Sir Daniel (42:43):
faith, faith Deconstruction for Dummies.
Absolutely.
Faith Deconstruction for Dummies.
Um, it is if you are, if religionand dogma has caused you some type of
hurt or even you just have questions
Jay Ray (43:01):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (43:02):
Religion and how it's being handled and or you are, you are starting
to notice how white supremacy is playing arole in your, in your black life right now
Jay Ray (43:13):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (43:14):
comes to religion.
That's the book for you.
Um, I'm super proud of him.
Um, it's out there on Amazonand all the other platforms
that you can purchase books.
Um, he's having, I can't waitto see this live q and a that
he's gonna have next week.
So I'm super proud of him.
If you just, if it's a great book tosupport and it's a great, this is a
(43:34):
great brother to support as well, soI just wanted to throw that out there.
Jay Ray (43:37):
Great holiday gifts.
Sir Daniel (43:40):
Absolutely
Jay Ray (43:42):
think about that.
So this holiday season, becauselemme tell y'all something, I'm
being real clear about the holiday.
I already told my mom and my brotherthis, it's gonna be real light
because I ain't giving these people,I ain't giving them nothing, nothing.
Like I'm not giving, I'mnot giving y'all too much.
I'm just not giving y'all my coins.
Sir Daniel (44:02):
Let me say this to Jay Ray.
We sat up there, everybodywas talking about stuff.
Yeah, man.
Black Friday, we ain't doing none of that.
We ain't, we ain't buying nothing.
We not going to target, we not doing this.
We not buying that.
We, we staying home $8 trillion later.
Somebody's lying.
Somebody, somebody
(44:22):
is lying.
Y'all went out, somebodywent out shopping.
Somebody was sitting on that lineoutside waiting for that, um,
that quote unquote gift bag with ahundred dollars worth of merchandise.
And all you got was a, a pack of planecards and some, um, some, some chapstick.
Jay Ray (44:40):
right
Sir Daniel (44:41):
You, you got played, but yes, $8 trillion later.
Jra, somebody lying.
But, um, we going, we we're gonnahold ourselves accountable and
do what we can do.
Jay Ray (44:51):
accountable.
Listen, so that point, shop brands.
That you, that, that alsosupport the community.
So to that point, y'all, thank y'allso much for being here with us.
One of the things that you could dofor absolutely free, for Queue Points
is actually just share the show.
So wherever you are tuning in, subscribefirst of all, and then share the show.
(45:13):
Friends, family, colleagues,everybody, let people know that
you listen to Queue Points.
We really appreciate it.
shout out this week.
We loved seeing the fact that, you know,we were in your Spotify top podcast.
We love that.
We appreciate that.
It is absolutely free y'allto support us in that way.
You know what I'm saying?
Visit Queue Points.com.
(45:34):
Watch the whole archiveof, of, of episodes there.
There's plenty of stuff to check out.
Visit us on substack.
Um, we have some dope stuff overthere, including the video if
y'all haven't checked it out.
We did a show over on theNPN network for Thanksgiving.
It aired on Thanksgiving, but weput it on our podcast feed too.
(45:54):
But it is, we talk about Queensbridgeas an influential Marley Morrow
in Queensbridge specificallyas, uh, shifting the trajectory
of black music and its impact.
So check out that show, um,support the NPN network.
Um, and definitely just checkout our show and there's a
bunch of other dope shows too.
but yeah.
We love y'all.
(46:15):
We appreciate y'all shop QueuePoints too for the holidays.
If you are planning to shop QueuePoints for the holidays, you wanna
get those orders in by like December11th so that you can make sure your
thing gets to you by Christmas.
If you are shopping for, uh, Christmas,uh, make sure it gets there in time.
So that's it.
(46:35):
We appreciate y'all.
We love y'all.
Sir Daniel (46:37):
Absolutely.
Well, you heard what the man said.
You have your marching orders.
So what I like to say, after everyepisode in this life, you have a choice.
You can either pick up the needleor you could let the record play.
I am DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (46:51):
and my name is Jay Ray, y'all
Sir Daniel (46:52):
and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping
the needle on black music history.
We will see you on the next go round.
Peace
Jay Ray (47:01):
peace y
Sir Daniel (47:02):
pause.
Jay Ray (47:03):
and pause.
And,
Gotta love it.
Greetings and welcome to anotherepisode of Queue Points podcast.
I'm dj Sir Daniel, I,
Jay Ray (00:22):
and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government
as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.
I have a cold, sir Daniel.
Sir Daniel (00:31):
was gonna say, what is this bedroom voice?
What are we doing here?
Are we
trying
Jay Ray (00:35):
give
Sir Daniel (00:35):
to
Jay Ray (00:35):
to the people.
Yes.
Sir Daniel (00:38):
whole different audience?
Jay Ray (00:39):
We want the, the quiet storm audience should
be listening to Queue Points.
Welcome
to Queue Points,
Sir Daniel (00:46):
Shout out to, um, to Brother Melvin.
Um, Lindsey, yes, for pioneering thequiet storm and to Jay Ray, Johnnie
Ray Kornegay III, picking up the mantleand doing his thing on this episode.
Jay Ray, I gotta say though, we, we areabout to get into it, but before we get
into the discussion at hand, I just gottasay, between this administration wanting
(01:12):
to erase, you know, black history andblack culture and the antics of said
black culture keepers and creators,
Jay Ray (01:24):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (01:24):
I feel like the future of specifically black music and
the heritage of black music isin clear and immediate danger
Jay Ray (01:37):
because
Sir Daniel (01:38):
the things that we're about to discuss during this episode.
Jay Ray (01:41):
That's fair.
Uh, that's fair.
But I also think that's why we existand that's why we need to have this
conversation because we are going towrite this ship here in Queue Points land.
But I do, I I agree with you.
I think if we let things slidethe way things have been going,
Sir Daniel (02:04):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (02:05):
we are in danger of one losing all the recipes.
Of course we have to talk about the factthat, uh, the Diddy documentary happened.
So both
Sir Daniel (02:14):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (02:15):
and I, watched 'Sean Combs
Sir Daniel (02:20):
On the.
Jay Ray (02:20):
and, and, and what.
Was very, and we've, we've said thison the show, but the, the documentary,
uh, did a wonderful job of weavingtogether, sir Daniel, which is what is
essentially our teenage years, right?
The years that we kind of wereformulating, um, you know, our
musical gaining our musical knowledge,formulating our tastes, and all of
(02:43):
these things were the same yearsthat, uh, one Sean Combs was kind of
ascending into his, uh, his businesscareer, his music career, et cetera.
And this documentary, does areally good job of telling,
(03:04):
blending conspiracy with truth.
You know what I'm saying?
Sir Daniel (03:09):
You gotta say that.
Yes.
Jay Ray (03:11):
know, it's, it's, it's like a little bit of.
I see what you're doing there.
We don't know that that's factual.
It's a thing a lot of people say,but I guess that is the mark of a
good documentary is that you kind of,you have to suck the people in and
(03:31):
sometimes you have to suck the peoplein with what the people be thinking.
Sir Daniel (03:36):
Right.
Uh, and yes, yes to everything thatyou said, documentaries, and we
all know I love a good documentary.
Um, documentaries alsohave to be entertaining.
You
Jay Ray (03:48):
They do,
Sir Daniel (03:49):
know, they have to be entertaining and, you know,
fact or fiction, sometimes
Jay Ray (03:54):
a
Sir Daniel (03:55):
a lie.
And Charlemagne, the God has always saidthis fact or fiction a lie is always
almost more entertaining than the truth.
So that had, so with that beingsaid, I gotta say that yes, I
agree that the, the documentaryitself was well, well put together.
Um, IF found it very fascinatingand you found it fascinating as well
(04:18):
that the documentarian, includingthe executive producer Curtis, um,
Jay Ray (04:25):
mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (04:25):
did a miraculous job of finding all of this
footage and literally having.
The, um, subject, tell this whole story,tell on himself, basically with their own
footage, which I thought was very wild.
And, and as we're seeing in the, in thepast few days that a lot of cease and
(04:46):
desists are coming out, a lot of, uh,you don't have my permission, um, talk is
happening and a lot of people are upsetabout being included in this documentary.
And we'll get to that part later on in theconversation because 50 cent is part of
the bigger conversation that we're havinghere, and it's, it's kind of ridiculous.
(05:09):
So I will say.
I was not pressed to see thisdocumentary at first Jay Ray, only
because to this date, Jay Ray there areclose to 10 docuseries already about,
or dedicated to deconstructing thelife and career of Sean Diddy Combs.
There's almost 10 of them already.
(05:31):
It's kind of like the, um, when r Kelly,when the r Kelly Mix tapes dropped,
the doctors,
Jay Ray (05:37):
r
Sir Daniel (05:38):
I call them mix tapes, you know, there just seems to be an another
one popping up everybody wants, ischopping at the bit to tell this story.
Jay Ray (05:46):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (05:46):
And I mean, at first I was like, there's not a whole lot here
that I can learn or that I'm goingto glean from this, but I did find.
First thing I wanna say, Sean Combs,when you find those children be like,
Hmm, that's not a good looking kid.
But maybe when they grow intotheir face or they grow into their
(06:08):
looks, he's definitely one of thosepeople because those early, um, the
early years when he was dancing inthe, uh, Stacey Lattisaw video and
whatnot, it was like he was so skinny
Jay Ray (06:21):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (06:21):
and that face was, it almost looked cartoonlike
to see that he, how he's grown into the,um, face that he, that he has now, and
to grow into the body that he has now.
It was kind of weird, butit was so funny to it.
Just one of those things I was like,that was not a good looking young
man when he was on the come up.
Jay Ray (06:43):
So I think this is actually a very interesting point,
and I loved, so to going back.
I
Sir Daniel (06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (06:50):
I didn't watch any of the other documentaries.
Sir Daniel (06:53):
Okay.
Jay Ray (06:53):
why, I all, you know why?
I do know why, because Ifelt like they was too soon.
I was like, I felt like all of theseother documentaries came out and it
was really too soon and I couldn't, Iwas like, eh, I'm just gonna avoid it.
So I never saw any of'em, like none of 'em.
Right.
So I found interesting to the point oftalking about the look and, um, I think
(07:18):
it was Kirk Burrows who talked aboutthis, who was like, no, no, no, no.
Like I watched Sean be made into cool.
Sir Daniel (07:27):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (07:28):
you know, he had the drive.
Clearly, if there's one thing weknow about about Diddy is that he's
always had the drive to be like abusinessman and has always wanted
to be in front of the camera.
God bless him.
That man has never met a camerahe ain't wanna be in front of.
Sir Daniel (07:43):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (07:45):
he was also kind of a dork.
Sir Daniel (07:47):
Yeah,
Jay Ray (07:47):
I mean?
He was also kind of a dork.
so to study to, to, to, to watch Diddy inthat era, that Stacey Lattisaw video, it
was hilarious to watch him go from thatto be a little cooler in the Finesse Sinis
video to be like a little cooler by thetime he starts hosting these parties where
(08:11):
you're like incrementally getting cooler.
And I feel like the weird part thatyou're seeing is Diddy is picking up.
Point pieces from people as he goes along.
So as he's moving, he's picking up pieces.
Sir Daniel (08:29):
I am so glad you said that because it made me
think of this theory of that.
There's a old, um, Angelina Jolie movie.
She plays a detective or something, andshe's chasing down the serial killer
and she calls them a hermit crab.
The, and the her, and the reason why shecalls him a hermit crab or is that he.
Just, um, what a hermit crabdoes, it always sheds its shell
Jay Ray (08:55):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (08:55):
and it's always looking for something to, um, something new
to put his body into or to putonto some armor to put onto it.
And that is exactly what Sean Combs is.
Sean Combs is, is one of thosepersonalities, uh, personality
types that likes to take on.
He sees something that, and he covetsit and he wants to be it so bad to
(09:19):
the point where he will, um, take onthe characteristics and become the
thing that he's trying that he covets.
Jay Ray (09:27):
Wow.
Sir Daniel (09:28):
And so two things.
Um, I mommy issues I don't think is an cancover or describe what that young man has.
Mommy issues does not go,
Jay Ray (09:42):
wow.
Sir Daniel (09:42):
does not pay any justice.
And two, um.
When you, I think that when you takeon other people's personalities just so
that you can take what they have, that'sa different kind of monster because
(10:05):
I, that's the thing that jumped out.
Thank you.
Debauch reason in the chat,it's called Taking Lives.
That's exactly the name of the movie.
When you do that, he went so far as notonly did he want your life and to be you
and to have your essence right, I'll besure he wanted to take something that
you prized that was a prized possessionof yours, which was Kim Porter and when
Jay Ray (10:30):
what?
Sir Daniel (10:31):
and if nothing else, Didi may not have ever been the best rapper.
He may have platinum albums andthose things to his accolades.
But the one thing that Diddy has mastered,he's the master of the dirty macing.
Diddy is the master of dirty macing.
He'll get close to you justso that he can take your girl,
Jay Ray (10:52):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (10:52):
marry her, impregnate her, um, and, and keep her locked
away because he is that needy.
He is that needy.
He is that big of a gaping hole.
Almost said pause there,but he has that much,
Jay Ray (11:08):
less
Sir Daniel (11:08):
he has that much just later.
He has he that much of a gaping hole inhis soul that he needs to fill it with
people, with, um, with and covetingthe things that they already have.
And, and, and the accolades.
That's the one, that's the mainthing that I took away from this,
um, from this documentary and.
(11:31):
We see what it has done to him.
What that personality disorder.
'cause I feel like it'sa personality disorder
Jay Ray (11:37):
Oh
Sir Daniel (11:37):
done to him.
Jay Ray (11:38):
I, I, I, I agree.
I think so a couple of things I,I, I wanna, I wanna, uh, mention
here, shout out to the director.
Her name is Alex Stapleton.
I believe it's Alexandra Stapleton,but she goes by Alex Stapleton.
I think Alex and team did a really goodjob of taking a project that could have
(12:03):
been just like salacious for salacioussake and really did try and add some,
uh, some, some, some good foundationinto it to be like, no, no, no, no.
We're actually making a movieand talking about how this person
existed in all of our lives.
Because real, Diddy has been apart of all of our lives, uh,
Sir Daniel (12:28):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (12:28):
You know what I'm saying?
kind of the monster.
The monster of an industrythat fed that ego.
So I, I think Alex definitelydeserves some, some props for that.
I also wanna mention that thisdocumentary is also a, a master
class in stuff can be two things.
Sir Daniel (12:50):
Hmm.
Jay Ray (12:51):
can be like really talented at a thing and molding it into something
that people would want to buy.
He's like, man, like he will seethat talent and be like, boom, I
can package this thing right hereyear and make it into something.
Sir Daniel (13:13):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (13:14):
Master of that.
And also an awful human being,you know what I'm saying?
At the exact scene, you know, like andso the other, the other piece of this is.
There would, I liked that the peoplewho were speaking in this documentary,
(13:35):
I don't feel like it was a hit piece.
I, I really did feel like they wereactually just speaking from experience.
Like, no, this is what happened.
That as I recall it,
Sir Daniel (13:46):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (13:48):
and this is what this guy was doing as I recall it, right.
And we have evidence that it was true.
So they were weaving allof the pieces together.
Like when they was talking about like,you know, how Diddy learned according to
them, learned how Andre Harrell did thecontracts over at Uptown and they was
(14:09):
like, oh no, Diddy took that and did it.
Even tighter than that was like, youare never going to figure out where
the money is, how your money got spent.
None of that.
Like, he tightened allof that stuff up and.
like, damn.
Like, but then you realize Diddy waslearning from the OGs, the Russell
Sir Daniel (14:34):
the
Jay Ray (14:35):
the Andre
Sir Daniel (14:35):
OG Predators,
Jay Ray (14:37):
OG Predators, you
Sir Daniel (14:38):
Yeah, I mean
Jay Ray (14:39):
mean,
Sir Daniel (14:39):
we, we've said, we have conceded that even with the
growth of this culture, as we talkabout hip hop with growth comes the
commercial part, the money aspect.
And with the money aspect comes a lotof filth, a lot of grimy, a lot of
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grimy characters and grimy behavior.
And time has shown us that alot of these people, yes, we got
to see them in the limelight.
They presented a lot of, you know,champagne wishes and caviar dreams.
However, they weremonsters in the background,
Jay Ray (15:19):
and.
Sir Daniel (15:19):
they learned it from the other monsters that have been in
control of the, the music industryfor, you know, for years, for decades.
And so what we, and so you kind of can'tbe mad at it because that is the game.
But yes, you can be mad at it becausethese are people that you have sole dreams
(15:46):
to that are naturally gifted and you'reexploiting their gifts because you realize
what it can mean for you in the future.
Jay Ray (15:55):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (15:55):
But again, that is the nature of the business.
So now, um.
You mentioned Andre Harrell, youmentioned, um, Russell Simmons.
Um, I was taken aback because I wantto, um, acknowledge Joy Dickerson Neil.
Jay Ray (16:15):
That was, while that segment.
That
Sir Daniel (16:18):
That segment was really, um, was eye was eyeopening because I
recognized, when I saw the Steady Balbum cover, I was like, oh, that is her.
Jay Ray (16:30):
yeah.
Sir Daniel (16:31):
And then Jay Ray, when they flashed to the Finesse and quiz
video, I was like, that's her fromthe Cabrio le riding around with Diddy
with the big white apple jack hat on.
And, but I gotta pause real
Jay Ray (16:45):
real
Sir Daniel (16:45):
one second to get to shout out Fines, essence, and quiz the si.
The title of that song for thatvideo was Straight From the Soul.
That bar where, um,joy Dickerson shows up.
Jay Ray (16:58):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (16:59):
If you listen to the lyrics, I would love to ask them.
It was like, did Didiinspire those lyrics?
Because you all areclearly talking about him.
Even though at that time, as everybodysaid, Didi was not into drugs, he was
not into alcohol, all of those things, hekept all of those demons away from him.
(17:19):
He was not into that.
But that lyric of you can't talkpositive and do the opposite.
Jay Ray (17:25):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (17:25):
Sniff and smoke, sniff and snort, drink and drive
and have your sister strip.
Jay Ray (17:30):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (17:30):
And I was like, they, they were, I, they weren't maybe describing him
then, but they were seeing into the futurebecause that is exactly what he became.
If you all need to hear that song, I'msure you could pull it up on YouTube.
I thought that was just so ironicand telling and very futuristic on
the, on the, um, behalf of Finesseand Quiz to make that rhyme.
(17:54):
And for him to be, uh, to, to have acameo in the video for that particular
bar was just, it was not lost on me.
It might have went over some of y'allheads, but you know me, you know, I'm
the, um, the female rap historian.
So those things definitely stoodout to me with regards to this,
um, to this, to this docuseries.
Jay Ray (18:15):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (18:16):
you know, joy Dickerson was like one of the first, well, not
the first, but she clearly was one ofthe beginning, one of the victims of
the beginning of, um, revenge porn.
Jay Ray (18:30):
Yeah,
Sir Daniel (18:30):
You know
Jay Ray (18:31):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (18:31):
what we saw if,
Jay Ray (18:32):
because
Sir Daniel (18:33):
what we saw is we, we know that the reason why we have
this documentary, documentaryis that Diddy, um, documents
everything with his, with videos.
There are videos everywhere.
There's a somebody with acamera rolling at all times.
And that was happening way
back in the late eighties, early nineties.
So I can only imagine, I don't thinkit's far from, it's not hard to
(18:57):
imagine that he was in fact recording
Jay Ray (19:00):
people
Sir Daniel (19:00):
people having sex because again, that they tie the,
they tie the two together again.
Alpo, who is a, um, a Harlem legend,uh, drug dealer, like they said,
Alpo would video, would recordsex sessions between him and other
girls and would play them in public.
(19:21):
And Diddy, once again, onceso bad to have the clout, the
kids call it clout chasing now.
He wanted that clout and thatkind of reputation, so he would
start doing the same things.
So it's like, you know what Icould you, you sold me on that one.
I can believe this theory.
Jay Ray (19:40):
You know, and so going back, so, uh, uh, uh, Kimberly, you mentioned
before like, are y'all gonna makeme wanna go see this documentary?
And this is why I actually think thisdocumentary is particularly interesting
and why I think Alex and Team deserve.
Kudos.
Um, because they take these pieces ofand nineties, black history, New York
Sir Daniel (20:08):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (20:09):
and weave them together in ways to explain potentially, right.
The theories potentiallyexplain Diddy was doing some of
the things that he was doing.
So coming with all the stufffrom the history, we talk
about the mom stuff, right?
Coming with all of that, the, thelooming, uh, a ghost of his father, right?
(20:31):
And trying to live up towhatever that legacy was.
And we don't even know whatthe truth of that is, right?
But try to live up to that, themommy stuff and the wanting to be
cool, the wanting to be accepted, theclout, chaser, nature of who he is.
It's all in here.
And here's what's crazy about thattoo, is I'm, I'm watching this.
(20:55):
Documentary and I'm watchingDiddy in present day.
'cause one, can I just, p canwe just take a minute and say
how I was about to say pause?
Can we just take a minute andsay how crazy it is that he
would be documenting all of this?
Sir Daniel (21:13):
Right, because
he re, he believes it's crazy, buthe believes so much in himself and
that he hasn't done anything wrong.
I haven't done anything wrong.
I'm just a kid from Harlem thatpulled myself up by my bootstraps.
I haven't done anything wrong and the,and this is going, and I'm gonna be,
I'm gonna be proven innocent and I'mgonna be victorious as I always come
(21:36):
out victorious in these situations.
Jay Ray (21:39):
Yeah.
Yes.
Sir Daniel (21:42):
Yes.
Jay Ray (21:42):
I'm, I'm so confused.
Like I was literallyconfused, like, how so?
It makes me to that point.
Yes sir. Daniel, you areabsolutely right and it makes me.
the type of person who would do that.
And I don't know what that diagnosis is.
(22:02):
I ain't in that, I ain't sitting inthat man's therapy sessions, but I'm
like, what kind of person would recordall of this happening to that point?
Sir Daniel (22:14):
An apex predator.
Jay Ray (22:16):
Oh my god.
You know what was disappointing to me?
Um, watching his boy children
Sir Daniel (22:25):
Ah.
Jay Ray (22:25):
young men.
Sir Daniel (22:26):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (22:27):
There next to him.
This is their father who'sclearly not in a good state.
Like there's pieces of this documentary.
He's clearly high.
Sir Daniel (22:35):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (22:37):
shuffling around this hotel room like Ozzy Osborne, like slurring his
words and his, you know, you have, uh,Justin and uh, Christian, uh, king Holmes.
Uh, Holmes is Christian.
I think
Sir Daniel (22:52):
That is.
Jay Ray (22:52):
kind of in the space with him.
And I'm like, one, I don'tknow who, I don't know why your
sons are your best friends.
I don't understand that.
And two, why I wouldn't, I wouldnot, I loved my dad, loved him.
We didn't hang out.
We might on occasion go out.
(23:14):
But we didn't hang out,you know what I'm saying?
Like, we wasn't hanging, we wasn't atthe same spots, you know what I mean?
Especially doing thethings that Diddy is doing.
And there were so many moments wherepeople would be like, oh, you know,
Justin and Diddy were in there.
And I'm like, in there doing what?
Like,
Sir Daniel (23:34):
Yeah.
Well, again, going back to what Isaid in the beginning, what we saw,
what, what is documented is thatthere are clear, there were clear
boundary issues, um, in his upbringing.
Between him and his parent.
His, um, allegedly his mom exposedhim to whatever, uh, hustler
(23:57):
lifestyle she was doing becauseclearly she, you know, she had a
lifestyle that she wanted to maintain.
Jay Ray (24:03):
Yep.
Sir Daniel (24:03):
And even in, um, after the murder of his father, she
was maintaining that lifestyle.
But, and then she was doing thingsto, to confuse those things.
Confuse children when they're growing up.
When you assign them adult rolesat a ch at a, at a very young age,
those things can confuse you andyou start to think that, yes, I am
(24:26):
an adult, and that there are no.
Boundaries between adults and children.
And then, so that's what you'reseeing now is that he has always
had a hard time with boundaries.
That's when I don't think boundaries,I don't think boundaries and Sean
Combs exist in the same sentence.
Like, and that's the thing thateverybody has in common with him, is
(24:49):
that he always violates boundaries.
And so he's violated the boundariesbetween parents and children.
So it doesn't shock me thatyou see him rolling up and
passing a joint to his sons.
You know, even though some mightsay, that's not really a big deal.
I'll drink with my dad and I'llsmoke with my dad and whatnot.
(25:11):
Fine.
But I'm not gonna,
Jay Ray (25:13):
Yeah.
yeah, yeah,
Sir Daniel (25:13):
yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you on that.
However, when it comes to allegedly, um.
You know, engaging in sexualactivity with your dad.
And those are the things, those,that's pre, that is sexual assault.
Jay Ray (25:29):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (25:29):
That is, um, if you were, uh, now I'm not gonna use that word,
but that is a sexual assault to on, onyour child when you do those things.
And again, you confuse themabout those boundaries.
And I can guarantee you that thosechildren in a couple years, those two, I
(25:50):
think those two particular in particular
are going to, something isgonna come up in the future
where they're gonna get accused
of violent.
Jay Ray (26:00):
has
Sir Daniel (26:01):
That is true.
Not, yeah.
Wait, Christian or Justin?
Both of them,
Jay Ray (26:05):
Cole.
Sir Daniel (26:05):
actually.
Both of
them.
Jay Ray (26:06):
I think
Sir Daniel (26:07):
Because Justin was, Justin was well on his way to having a football
career, but that got sidetracked becausehe, you know, he, he wanted to be Billy
Badass and he got into an altercation and.
Uh, you see, he's notplaying football anywhere
anymore for anybody.
He's
Jay Ray (26:24):
What do, what talent do?
These kids have
Sir Daniel (26:27):
being, being a combs, being daddy's little.
He being daddy's little
henchman.
Jay Ray (26:32):
they're a Combs J
right?
Sir Daniel (26:35):
They're combs, they're comb, they're part of the, they're,
they're part of the honeycombs,
the honeycomb.
Jay Ray (26:42):
Jaguar, right?
So, oh, to this, to this pointactually, um, I, the other thing
about this documentary that I thinkis really interesting, uh, people.
This is part of the reason whythis show is titled Where what it
is is like, uh, grow Grow to F Up.
(27:04):
Because people have made a lot of ofjokes about the gay stuff, but I'm
like, you look at this documentaryand you realize like that is really
a non-actor in this conversation.
Actually it means nothing to the grandscheme of things that are going on.
(27:25):
I don't even think, I think it mayhave come up like a little bit with
the Kirk Borough sharing his story,
Sir Daniel (27:32):
And don't forget little Rod.
Jay Ray (27:33):
Little Rod.
It came up with a littleride, but really not at all.
people making a big dealout of it was so dumb.
'cause I'm like, what we've beensaying is that's not even a big
deal
Sir Daniel (27:44):
It is not, it's really because if you understand what is
behind sexual assault, sexual assaultis not about pleasure or gratification.
It is strictly about power
Jay Ray (28:02):
and control.
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (28:03):
and control.
Sean Diddy Combs has always been, hasalways been, has always been about
asserting power and control and heis going to do use whatever tactic
Jay Ray (28:17):
tactic
Sir Daniel (28:17):
is.
Um, is most, um, is available rightthere and then at, to, to do it with.
And if that means he's going to, youknow, um, pull down your pants and
drug, you pull down your pants andand do something to you while you are
inebriated, he's gonna do that becausehe is got it recorded, because he is
(28:40):
gonna put, hold that over your head.
Jay Ray (28:42):
Jesus
Sir Daniel (28:43):
not above doing any of those things because he wants
to exert power and control.
So it really has absolutely nothingto do with sex and sexuality.
Um, there's nothing romanticabout anything that he's done.
And before we move on to the, tothis, to that section Jay Ray, 'cause
I know where we're going with this.
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I do want to say, we talked aboutthe whole Cassie situation and the
one thing that that resonated withme throughout this whole thing is
when Cassie, um, ran into Kalina.
A backstage at that bad boy reunionand Kaleena was pregnant and Cassie was
like, see, that's what I'm talking about.
(29:26):
That is what I want.
Jay Ray (29:28):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (29:28):
want that.
Cassie wanted desperately growing into awoman, wanted desperately to be a mother,
Jay Ray (29:34):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (29:35):
and I had always said, J Ray, when they were to, when we had no idea
what was going on, I just kept sayingto myself, I really can't believe that
he has not knocked her up like he is not
Jay Ray (29:46):
knocking a heed, like walk past a woman as she
Sir Daniel (29:48):
as they get pregnant and twins, he has the capacity
to have twins and everything.
And I said, Hmm.
He never got her pregnant.
And all that said to, thatwas divine intervention.
To me, that was completely divineintervention because as soon as she was
free from that man and got married and gotinto a safe and loving relationship, boom.
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Pregnant right then, right off the.
I was like, you can't tell me thatthat wasn't divine intervention.
So, you know, I just, and one otherthing that we have to talk about that
was very, um, made implicit with thisdocuseries is the willingness of people
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at all, um, at all eras of his career.
The willingness of people to go alongwith what's happening and turn a blind eye
Jay Ray (30:44):
because
Sir Daniel (30:45):
because there's, I guess there's this, there's this, I.
Hypnosis that comes along with being inthe power, in the proximity of power or
perceived power that a lot of people have.
And I've seen it in person IJ Ray.
Ooh, such a great example.
There's a, a legendary radioannouncer here in Atlanta
Jay Ray (31:08):
that,
Sir Daniel (31:08):
that, um, was present at an event that Diddy
used to have called Think Big,
Jay Ray (31:15):
Mm-hmm.
Sir Daniel (31:17):
Diddy, of course, was being real Hollywood and did not show up to
the event when he said he was, he wasfashionably late, this legendary, um,
radio announcer, um, did the thing,made his announcements and was like,
looked at his watch and was like, huh,
Jay Ray (31:34):
like,
Sir Daniel (31:34):
Diddy don't know.
Diddy don't know who he dealing with.
I, you know, I run Atlanta.
I'm about to be outta here.
I got things to do.
But, and he literally was toldeverybody, I'll see you all later.
Jay Ray (31:46):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (31:47):
And started walking to his car.
Don't you know when those limos pulledup, like it was a scene outta coming
to America when the limos pulled up,that grown man made up Beline from
the car, from his car way off in theparking lot and pumped on back over
to where we were when he saw, um,Sean Diddy Combs come out and hopped
(32:12):
in there and was, you know, Sam,
Sam bowing and
Jay Ray (32:16):
building.
Sir Daniel (32:17):
did, yeah.
Hey y'all, you know Diddy in the building?
Remember that scene of waiting toexhale when Robin came through with
that crack head to the party with
all the white people?
That's how he was acting when Diddy showedup and he was just all over the place.
Like, I mean, it was really fascinatingto witness in real time what star
(32:39):
power, and I'm putting up air quotes.
Jay Ray (32:41):
Hmm.
Sir Daniel (32:41):
Can make people do.
But I said all of that to say that theproximity to power is super dangerous.
I think, I guess it's very intoxicatingand will have people doing things that
they wouldn't necessarily do becauseI, we hear things about this current
administration that people, for whateverreason, when they get into the, this
(33:02):
current president's um, uh, area, whenthey get around him, they, for whatever
reason, they start kowtowing to him.
And it's embarrassingfrom what I understand.
And they start wanting to, theyfeel like I'm going to get some
power just being in your presence.
And I said all that to say that thatis such a dangerous thing because
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so many people got hurt becauseso many people turned a blind eye
Jay Ray (33:26):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (33:27):
and, and saw things that happened and were too scared
or didn't feel like they had enoughpower to do anything, which continued
to make this, um, this monster.
Grow to be the person he is.
Jay Ray (33:41):
you know what?
That is actually a perfect segueinto, I think this is a good place to.
Talk about 50 cent.
two things.
First thing is, I hate thatwhite people call him 50 cent.
I think that's stupid.
Okay?
They keep doing it andwe're here with 50 cent.
(34:02):
That is not it.
It's just 50 cent.
It's fine.
Sir Daniel (34:05):
that's right up there.
We're calling Atlanta A TL
Jay Ray (34:07):
A
Sir Daniel (34:07):
or Hot.
Jay Ray (34:08):
or Hot Atlanta.
Um, SO'S thing number one.
Sir Daniel (34:13):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (34:13):
Thing number two is
there's 50 is not a benevolent figure.
You know what I'm saying?
Like by any means, and I think
it is wild.
So when you talk aboutfeeding a monster, right?
(34:37):
Ah.
It is crazy to know that this man madethis documentary because he could,
more importantly, he made it because he
really hates Diddy.
Like, he just is like, listen,I not only have the power to do
this, have the desire to do this.
(35:02):
that is weird to have that kind ofdesire fed, even though Alex did a
great job with creating this, I thinkthey took a subject that could have
been, uh, uh, salacious and made itinto something that is compelling.
Sir Daniel (35:21):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (35:23):
you know, the man did this because he hates him.
Sir Daniel (35:28):
At the root of it.
This man, I mean, pe Petty, pettydoesn't begin to encapsulate
Curtis 50 cent Jackson.
And I mean, he is self-proclaimed.
He is self-proclaimed,petty, the king of petty.
Jay Ray (35:48):
He,
Sir Daniel (35:48):
He, he does not mind, um, saying that he is petty and he does.
And he told us years ago that if,if we got beef, we got beef forever,
it's, it's up and it's stuck.
He, um, because he and I, that's agreat, um, that is a great point.
(36:11):
Ko said that 50 low key should be calledthe finisher with how he buries careers.
He, it, it, it becomes his, itbecomes his job to make sure that
you are penniless with no friends.
Jay Ray (36:27):
friends.
Sir Daniel (36:28):
With not even a shirt on your back.
It is his job.
Now, we, us Queue Points started offthis conversation about the documentary
because it's in the zeitgeist and it'sstuff that we needed to, to discuss, but
as you said, at the root of it all, thisall has come about because of homophobia
(36:53):
and perceived thishomophobia on the, on the,
Jay Ray (36:58):
the, on the
Sir Daniel (36:58):
the part of Curtis because he perceived that, um,
Diddy was inviting him on, wantedto take him on a shopping spree,
something that happenedmaybe 20 years ago.
Jay Ray (37:14):
ago.
Long time.
Sir Daniel (37:16):
A very long time ago.
Um, we know that could,was Sean being serious?
Probably that he would,because that's what, yes.
He, he is a predator and yes, hedoes that as part of his grooming.
He does do those things to getyou to gain your confidence and
to, to make you feel comfortable.
To let your guard down.
(37:36):
Yes.
Perceived ho, ho, well, notperceived, um, but the perceived,
um, sexuality part of it all.
Um, he uses, he still to this dayat his grown age, uses the term
fruity to describe, to describe
the conversation.
Yes.
He's, he was on a Good MorningAmerica and used the term fruity.
(37:58):
That,
that, did he,
Jay Ray (37:59):
were still using the term fruity.
Okay.
Sir Daniel (38:01):
Curtis, Curtis Jackson sat up there in front
of Robin, um, what's her name?
Robin.
Um.
Robin Roberts and call that manfruity on national television,
daytime television at that.
Jay Ray (38:12):
Okay.
Sir Daniel (38:13):
so, right.
So we're talking about two decades of aperceived comment, because really this
is, I think this is more of a perceivedattack on his sexuality, meaning
that 50
Jay Ray (38:28):
SHA
Sir Daniel (38:28):
50 probably was
Jay Ray (38:29):
do too much
Sir Daniel (38:32):
exactly, it's like 50 was like, well, how, what makes you
think that You can say that to me?
Am I giving off something that makesyou think that you can take me trick
on me and you could take me out to,to, to, to dinner and go and take me to
VIM and go shopping for new sneakers?
You know, those.
So he, to me, he overthought that.
(38:53):
First of all, he overthought that.
First of all, I'm sure.
Do you know how many peopleDiddy has taken shopping?
Dudes like, I'm sure he'staking the clip shopping.
He's taking all of those Pharrell,he's taking all of those boys,
all of those guys shopping, andthey ain't say a word about it.
They got their Louis Vuitton, thoseLouis Vuitton fanny packs and hid it.
(39:14):
They got what they needed and bounced.
But his, that internalized homophobia
Jay Ray (39:21):
Oof.
Sir Daniel (39:22):
got Curtis in a choke hole and made him sink all of his money into, um,
into putting together this documentary.
And that's why, part of the reasonwhy we say, seriously, y'all,
y'all have got to grow the bleep up
Jay Ray (39:38):
yes,
Sir Daniel (39:39):
it's not just 50.
There is this ongoing, the,the, the, the grown men.
That are supposed to be.
The elder statesmen of hip hopright now are just so disappointing.
They are disappointing me fromleft to right, from all angles.
The ones that now have podcasts, theyare all disappointing me with these
(40:00):
very stunted, emotionally immature, hottakes and behaviors that is just taking
over their lives and is influencing thelives, influencing the lives of a lot
of young men that are watching them.
So if you wanna fightit, you have to support.
(40:22):
The people that are putting togetherthe quality content that you want to
see, the quality content that you wannashare with the young people in your lives
that you feel could benefit from it.
It's not gonna happen, um, by osmosis.
You gonna have to sit, hey, yougonna have to, um, be active and
(40:43):
actively say, I'm gonna activelysubscribe to this podcast because
this brother is, is kicking knowledge.
The if it, thank God for somebodylike a Deontay Kyle right now who is
as a, as a heterosexual man who isreally taking other heterosexual men
to task and holding them accountable.
Jay Ray (41:03):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (41:04):
And it is like, and, and it is not letting up off
their throats, off their necks.
It is just pause.
It is just really what's needed right now
Jay Ray (41:11):
Right.
Sir Daniel (41:12):
I'm so happy for it.
And we just need more of that.
Jay Ray (41:15):
Yeah.
Sir Daniel (41:15):
we need to be more supportive of people like, uh,
the grits and X podcasts and Queue
points.
Jay Ray (41:21):
the red Yes.
Queue Points and waving the red flag.
And, and, and Dr. Ed Garsand Sweet Tea Ethics.
And just
Sir Daniel (41:27):
Yes.
Yes.
Jay Ray (41:29):
these, these platforms, the Counter Narrative project in CNP, all
fairness, like I, I, I, I work there,
Sir Daniel (41:36):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (41:38):
even just thinking about the event that we had tonight, um,
uh, uh, brother, uh, the, a blackman reading and Charles Stevens and
Doug Jones in conversation about Doug
Sir Daniel (41:47):
Yep.
Jay Ray (41:47):
book.
So we got this straight brotherin conversation with these queer
brothers about this book that hasthese gay characters and really
talking about the stuff and
Sir Daniel (41:56):
Mm-hmm.
Jay Ray (41:57):
conversations back and forth, right?
These are what we need to do.
And so, thank you, sir Daniel for.
Reminding all of us that supportthe things that feed you right?
Share the things that feed you withother people, um, because that's the
only way that these platforms grow.
And, um, and so for y'all, um,unless you have something else
(42:22):
you wanna cover, I wanna tell thepeople how they could support us.
Sir Daniel, what else you would
Sir Daniel (42:25):
Oh, the, the only thing I wanna do really quickly
Jay Ray (42:28):
uhhuh
Sir Daniel (42:28):
is speaking of supporting and feeding the things that will
feed us, I wanted to give a shoutout to our friend Asha d Simon,
Jay Ray (42:36):
Yay.
Sir Daniel (42:37):
has, um, just recently released his book, um,
Jay Ray (42:41):
Uh, uh, uh, it is Faith
Sir Daniel (42:43):
faith, faith Deconstruction for Dummies.
Absolutely.
Faith Deconstruction for Dummies.
Um, it is if you are, if religionand dogma has caused you some type of
hurt or even you just have questions
Jay Ray (43:01):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (43:02):
Religion and how it's being handled and or you are, you are starting
to notice how white supremacy is playing arole in your, in your black life right now
Jay Ray (43:13):
Yes.
Sir Daniel (43:14):
comes to religion.
That's the book for you.
Um, I'm super proud of him.
Um, it's out there on Amazonand all the other platforms
that you can purchase books.
Um, he's having, I can't waitto see this live q and a that
he's gonna have next week.
So I'm super proud of him.
If you just, if it's a great book tosupport and it's a great, this is a
(43:34):
great brother to support as well, soI just wanted to throw that out there.
Jay Ray (43:37):
Great holiday gifts.
Sir Daniel (43:40):
Absolutely
Jay Ray (43:42):
think about that.
So this holiday season, becauselemme tell y'all something, I'm
being real clear about the holiday.
I already told my mom and my brotherthis, it's gonna be real light
because I ain't giving these people,I ain't giving them nothing, nothing.
Like I'm not giving, I'mnot giving y'all too much.
I'm just not giving y'all my coins.
Sir Daniel (44:02):
Let me say this to Jay Ray.
We sat up there, everybodywas talking about stuff.
Yeah, man.
Black Friday, we ain't doing none of that.
We ain't, we ain't buying nothing.
We not going to target, we not doing this.
We not buying that.
We, we staying home $8 trillion later.
Somebody's lying.
Somebody, somebody
(44:22):
is lying.
Y'all went out, somebodywent out shopping.
Somebody was sitting on that lineoutside waiting for that, um,
that quote unquote gift bag with ahundred dollars worth of merchandise.
And all you got was a, a pack of planecards and some, um, some, some chapstick.
Jay Ray (44:40):
right
Sir Daniel (44:41):
You, you got played, but yes, $8 trillion later.
Jra, somebody lying.
But, um, we going, we we're gonnahold ourselves accountable and
do what we can do.
Jay Ray (44:51):
accountable.
Listen, so that point, shop brands.
That you, that, that alsosupport the community.
So to that point, y'all, thank y'allso much for being here with us.
One of the things that you could dofor absolutely free, for Queue Points
is actually just share the show.
So wherever you are tuning in, subscribefirst of all, and then share the show.
(45:13):
Friends, family, colleagues,everybody, let people know that
you listen to Queue Points.
We really appreciate it.
shout out this week.
We loved seeing the fact that, you know,we were in your Spotify top podcast.
We love that.
We appreciate that.
It is absolutely free y'allto support us in that way.
You know what I'm saying?
Visit Queue Points.com.
(45:34):
Watch the whole archiveof, of, of episodes there.
There's plenty of stuff to check out.
Visit us on substack.
Um, we have some dope stuff overthere, including the video if
y'all haven't checked it out.
We did a show over on theNPN network for Thanksgiving.
It aired on Thanksgiving, but weput it on our podcast feed too.
(45:54):
But it is, we talk about Queensbridgeas an influential Marley Morrow
in Queensbridge specificallyas, uh, shifting the trajectory
of black music and its impact.
So check out that show, um,support the NPN network.
Um, and definitely just checkout our show and there's a
bunch of other dope shows too.
but yeah.
We love y'all.
(46:15):
We appreciate y'all shop QueuePoints too for the holidays.
If you are planning to shop QueuePoints for the holidays, you wanna
get those orders in by like December11th so that you can make sure your
thing gets to you by Christmas.
If you are shopping for, uh, Christmas,uh, make sure it gets there in time.
So that's it.
(46:35):
We appreciate y'all.
We love y'all.
Sir Daniel (46:37):
Absolutely.
Well, you heard what the man said.
You have your marching orders.
So what I like to say, after everyepisode in this life, you have a choice.
You can either pick up the needleor you could let the record play.
I am DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (46:51):
and my name is Jay Ray, y'all
Sir Daniel (46:52):
and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping
the needle on black music history.
We will see you on the next go round.
Peace
Jay Ray (47:01):
peace y
Sir Daniel (47:02):
pause.
Jay Ray (47:03):
and pause.
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