February 14, 2025 • 55 mins
Hip-hop is always evolving, but where is it headed next? In this episode of Queue Points, DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray drop the needle on the latest cultural shifts shaping the future of the genre. From Sexyy Red’s viral moment on The Jennifer Hudson Show to Kendrick Lamar’s game-changing halftime performance, the duo unpacks the growing tension between artistry, entertainment, and respectability politics.
Are we witnessing the golden era of female rap, or is a commercial bust on the horizon? What role do gimmicks, image, and corporate influence play in shaping today’s hip-hop stars? And could a return to rap crews and creative collectives help revitalize the culture?
With sharp insights, humor, and a deep love for Black music history, Queue Points dissects hip-hop’s evolution, its past inspirations, and where the next wave might take us. Don’t miss this conversation that blends education, nostalgia, and unfiltered cultural commentary.
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00:00 Intro Theme
00:16 Welcome to Queue Points Podcast
00:44 Jennifer Hudson Show and Sexyy Red
02:44 Shame and Respectability Politics
05:44 Women in Hip Hop: Then and Now
09:17 The Future of Female Rap
14:35 The Role of Gimmicks in Hip Hop
17:56 The Importance of Crews and Groups
21:34 What's Poppin' Penny? Ad
23:06 Kendrick Lamar Halftime Show
26:14 Controversy Over Kendrick Lamar's Performance
28:35 Cultural Cleansing and Critical Thinking
31:50 The Battle Between Culture and Corporations
40:37 The Chitlin Circuit Tour and Ticket Prices
44:37 Celebrating Spike Lee's School Daze
49:13 Hip Hop Love Songs
53:41 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts
55:15 Outro Theme
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DJ Sir Daniel (00:16):
Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.
I'm DJ Sir Daniel.
Jay Ray (00:21):
And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government
as Johnny Ray Cornegay the third.
What's happening, folks?
DJ Sir Daniel (00:28):
Listen, Jay Ray, they say the best things in life are free,
Jay Ray (00:32):
Mmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (00:32):
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Jay Ray (00:40):
Ah,
shade.
Uh
DJ Sir Daniel (00:43):
of Queue Points.
We are the, the podcast dropping theneedle on black music history and,
um, JRay, so I was on, as I always do,I'm going through my social media feed
The Jennifer Hudson show posted theirlatest pre show celebrity tunnel clip.
(01:03):
If you're all familiar with the preshow tunnel clip is when whoever
the celebrity guest is they comewalking down the the hallway and
the the the the the the showrunnersand the the uh the What are they
Jay Ray (01:20):
I guess the production team.
Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (01:22):
is they they make up a song and they clap the person down the hall
while they do a little jig down the hall.
It's really cute.
It's a signature.
It's a signature social media postfor the Jennifer Hudson show and
it goes over really well with with.
everybody.
So, um, needless to say, I was supersurprised when I saw today's feature
(01:44):
was none other than Get It Sexy.
Get It Sexy.
Get It Sexy.
Sexyy Red was coming down the hallway.
And in true Sexyy Red fashion,she was being Sexyy Red.
She had on what I, Derek, she had on whatI like to refer to as daytime lingerie.
(02:06):
Right,
Jay Ray (02:08):
But outside the house, like not in the bedroom, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (02:12):
She was, she was wearing her best daytime lingerie look, coming
down, and of course, you know, in SexyyRed fashion, she bent it over and, you
know, kind of cracked it a little bit.
And they had to put a heart over it.
So they censored it.
So that means know that it's a bitmuch for the Jennifer Hudson audience.
Jay Ray (02:35):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (02:37):
yeah, so I was just like, when I saw that, I was like,
um, this is where we doing now?
This is where we at?
Okay, so I'm, the question I havefor y'all that are already in
the chat and that are tuning in,because we have a, it's part of the
larger topic that we have tonight.
But, Jay Ray, is there anything,do we need to start shaming?
(02:58):
People just a little bit or is thereanything wrong with a little bit
of shame these it's a little bit
Jay Ray (03:04):
don't, I don't.
Yes.
So it's just a general yes.
I don't think it is.
We need to shame people becauseI don't think I'm gonna speak
for I, I Johnny or Jay Ray.
Hey, don't have the abilityto just like shame somebody.
(03:26):
Like, I don't feel like that's my place.
I don't feel like that'syou ain't my child.
You ain't nobody that I can like,
DJ Sir Daniel (03:32):
you ain't mama.
You ain't none of my
Jay Ray (03:34):
ain't none of my, you know what I'm saying?
However, I Jay Ray do have some shameabout myself and I'd be like, I am not
going to go on national television inthe middle of the day and do this kind
of foolishness going down the thing.
(03:54):
Now, this is not arespectability politics thing.
Y'all.
I, sir, Daniel, you knowme, I am so liberal, baby.
You like it.
I love it.
It is fine,
DJ Sir Daniel (04:05):
we're not policing black women's
Jay Ray (04:07):
policing, black women, body, Sexyy Red could do
whatever she wants with her body.
However, and there's a time and placefor stuff and, and on national TV
going down the, the, the JenniferHudson soul train line, where do you
got to put a heart over the thing?
DJ Sir Daniel (04:24):
over the booty here
Jay Ray (04:25):
seems like, it just seems like it's a bit much.
And I think Kyriakos and Mark.
Are kind of echoing the thing that Ithink I think I get why she's a thing.
So Kyriakos, I do get why she's a thing.
I just don't think it's for me.
It's definitely not for me, buthonestly, I don't think it's I don't
(04:48):
think it should be for a lot of people.
There's she should come with.
She should literally walkaround with a parental advisory
label, like over her body.
DJ Sir Daniel (04:59):
her body.
Shout out to Shannon Perez.
Darby is in the, is in the
Jay Ray (05:02):
up,
DJ Sir Daniel (05:03):
chat.
And it's so funny that she's in thechat because her, along with her show
partner, we had a discussion, Tashmika,we had a discussion about this, something
similar to this earlier last year,as a matter of fact, and it is coming
around again, where it's almost like.
Okay, I get it.
(05:24):
I see where the ladies are going.
Um, I don't want to make this abouthammering that, hammering down the women
that are in the game that are doingtheir thing because yes, we know they've
been carrying the, um, we know that
Jay Ray (05:38):
hop on their back.
DJ Sir Daniel (05:39):
on their backs.
They've been selling out shows.
all of that good stuff.
I think we, Jay Ray and I just recalla time, as a matter of fact, 27
years ago in the month of February,27 years ago, Vibe magazine, um,
February's issue was a double cover
Jay Ray (05:59):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (06:00):
and then it's this double cover featured the top hip
hop artists, both male and female.
And this was such an iconic cover becausethis cover featured, uh, Kim, Lil Kim,
Missy Elliot, Foxy Brown, Lauren Hill.
They had their own cover cause they,they separated it by, um, men and women.
(06:23):
And it was such a dope idea.
Um, you know, of course wehad the brat in the mix.
You had Trina on the come up.
You have Rod Diggle on the comeup, a mill, all of these different
flavors of women in hip hop.
And they were all coexisting, J.
Ray.
Now, look at Kim.
Jay Ray (06:44):
Look,
DJ Sir Daniel (06:45):
Kim is in full That ain't daytime
Jay Ray (06:47):
that's not daytime lingerie
DJ Sir Daniel (06:49):
that's nighttime, you know, hardcore La Bella
Mafia lingerie right there.
That's Kim doing what Kim doesand having a great time doing it.
And we respect her for it.
Jay Ray (07:00):
Yes,
DJ Sir Daniel (07:02):
But there was a time where, but Kim, Fox
Jay Ray (07:05):
look at like look at Lauren look at Missy look at Kim look at foxy like
DJ Sir Daniel (07:10):
it all, it coexisted together.
They, everybody had their own flavorand was still selling records,
winning, winning multiple Grammys,um, and all kinds of awards.
But now it's just like,uh, what are we doing guys?
What are, what are we doing here?
How did we get here?
Jay Ray (07:27):
How did we get how you got to sing the song?
DJ Sir Daniel (07:31):
did we, okay.
Before we get, before weget kicked off of IG and
Jay Ray (07:37):
Because you know, Deborah Cox will come on and be like how they said
how they sounded so good singing my song.
Right?
Um, so.
What I absolutely love aboutthis moment is it's such a
variety of like styles, right?
(07:58):
You know what I'm saying?
Even when we look at the men.
So you have LL, who by this pointis a legitimate veteran, like
LL is 13 years into his career.
As part of this cover, right?
So you got an LL, you have BustaRhymes, you have Method Man, and
you have Master P, who's fairly newon the national stage at this time.
(08:20):
He had been around for awhile, but nationally new.
But let's go back to these women, tothat point of like, there was a moment
in time When Missy, Kim, Lauren, andFoxy could not only be on magazine
covers together, they were all sellingplatinum albums at the exact same time
(08:43):
and were able to do these differentflavors of what hip hop was right now.
Everything is so one note,at least from a commercial.
We're talking from a commercial standpointbecause we can already hear y'all
like there's a whole lot of rappers.
There are a whole lot of womenwho are out here killing the game.
(09:07):
But commercially we get one type ofthing that is currently happening.
DJ Sir Daniel (09:17):
And so here's the thing.
I, you know, I'm rubbing my crystalball and I'm making a prediction here.
I'm having a vision like Raven.
That's so Raven.
Like, I'm starting to feel likethere's going to be a bust.
Jay Ray (09:36):
There has to
DJ Sir Daniel (09:36):
like how the economy is about to bust and they're
warning that the, the housing,all that stuff is about to bust.
There's a B, there's about to be a,a bust in what people are going to.
continue supporting, especially whenit comes to female rap, because like
we said earlier, female rap is prettymuch carrying the game on, carrying
(09:59):
the game on their back right now.
But I predicted that there's going to bea bust that people aren't going to be.
As likely to support or things aren'tgoing to get be on the level as they
were and I could be wrong here Thisis just me, but I'm starting to see
well Maybe there might be peopleare getting desperate desperate
(10:22):
times call for desperate measures.
You even got the oneyoung lady What was her
Jay Ray (10:28):
Who?
DJ Sir Daniel (10:29):
She's, now she's in a commercial featuring, uh, covering
Kaya's My Neck, My Back, but it'sfor a, a Dove soap commercial.
You know, the young lady that don'tlike children on a plane with her,
that was going, was going headup with T. I. 's grandchildren,
Jay Ray (10:43):
What's her name?
Chica?
DJ Sir Daniel (10:44):
That's it.
The one that wanted to fight, um, T.
I. 's grandchildren.
Right.
So now she's doing commercials.
Singing a variation of My Neck,My Back, because it's hard out
here, it's hard out here for her,like someone that presents like
Jay Ray (10:59):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:00):
and raps like her is not going to be climbing on the charts.
Jay Ray (11:04):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:05):
So she's gotta, so even in her own small way, she's kind of
acquiescing to what the, um, the, the, themarketplace is calling for in her own way.
But now it's just getting I don't knowI think it's kind of getting out of hand
and there might just be a Blowback andthere might just be it's not just gonna
(11:26):
be the men that aren't selling right?
They're gonna be declining salesin this whole rap game Completely
Jay Ray (11:33):
So, um, I want to shout out Kipper, who is also in the
chat, who said, as with music ingeneral, it will hit the wall, right?
So it's what happens every time.
Um, what, what I am, what gives mehope, what gives me hope is that.
(11:54):
Listen, Rhapsody got her, her first Grammythis year, you know what I'm saying?
And that woman has been churning outhigh quality albums for almost a decade
at this point, if not a decade, right?
High quality material.
And it does give me some hope that.
(12:17):
You know, folks like her.
So it's not just her out there.
We have Tiara Wack and some ofthese other, you know, folks that
are out there, LaKaylee47, all ofthese folks out there who are really
making high quality hip hop, right?
On the women's side, of course, weknow Kendrick literally just reset.
(12:37):
What men in hip hop arerequired to do, right?
I'm sure all of the dudes are sittingthere like shaking in their boots about
DJ Sir Daniel (12:47):
Now we gotta
Jay Ray (12:48):
now.
I got a rap I got a like right.
DJ Sir Daniel (12:51):
I Gotta be deep and stuff.
Oh, man.
Okay
Jay Ray (12:54):
Oh Man right, but for the women I feel like that same sort of reset Is,
you know, on the way where it's justgoing to be required for them to like,
to like, you know, pick up the pen again.
Well, the fortunate thing aboutwomen is actually the women have
kind of been like, all of thesewomen have been rapping, rapping.
DJ Sir Daniel (13:15):
Yes.
True.
Jay Ray (13:16):
just image wise has been a whole other thing, but they've
generally been like rapping, rapping.
I think from an image perspective,that's where the bust is going to come.
Seeing the variety.
And how women can be presented tous from a commercial standpoint.
DJ Sir Daniel (13:32):
Right.
And you know, and speaking ofthe Grammys, we would be remiss
if we did not bring up Dolce,
Jay Ray (13:40):
Love Dochi!
Yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (13:42):
like, really cleaned up at the Grammys on her
first go round and has really donesomething special with her career.
And she, you know, she told thatline of You know, of being sexy,
you know, she was, she had a bikinibottom during her Grammy performance.
But she was up there rapping.
Jay Ray (14:02):
She raps.
DJ Sir Daniel (14:03):
she raps down, like, and she spits.
And so, is Dolce likethe, the final frontier?
Is she the last hope?
It's like, but what if you, what ifyou can't, you can spit, God, God
forgive me for what I'm about to say.
What if you spit like Dolce,but you look like Dank?
Jay Ray (14:24):
I think that's fine, though, right?
There's always, well, there's otherproblems with Dank, but the other Dank,
there's other problems with Dank, though.
So, the, okay.
This is actually a really interestingpoint, sir. Daniel, I think,
I think we are also at the pointin commercial hip hop where
(14:46):
gimmicks are kind of like somepeople think they need a gimmick.
And I think folks look atsize now as like a gimmick.
You know what I'm saying?
That they can play up.
So I feel like if somebody was spittinglike Dolce, and looked like dank,
(15:06):
there's an opportunity for them.
There's a, there's a lane for them.
I think, you know, uh, uh, uh,who's our homegirl that, that we,
that, that was, uh, body positivityand she just lost a lot of weight.
Lizzo!
Child, that's a shame.
I couldn't rememberthat lady's name, honey.
It's been a while andshe's been through a lot.
(15:27):
But I think Lizzo kind of opened.
up was possible.
However, I think here's what it is.
The gimmicks have to stop, right?
It's about letting the talent lead.
And I think if there's anythingwe can take from this moment,
taking from Dolce, right?
Letting your talent lead you, right?
(15:49):
This is no, like, no, this is what I do.
If you spit, you spit.
This is what I do.
No matter what you look like.
So I think there would beroom, but it's just like, you
got to lean into what you do.
DJ Sir Daniel (15:59):
For sure.
And shout out to, um, I believeit's Infinite64, uh, wants
to join in the conversation.
Please feel free to leavesomething in the chat.
Um, that's the quickest way to, tohop in and be heard on the show.
But I, you know, I thinkyou're right, J. Rey.
I think we, it's where the gimmickshave to stop and the talent has to lead.
(16:22):
Um,
But here's the rub.
We have, everything now has becomeso media led where it's like we
don't care about the music anymore.
We care about your personal life.
We care about, you know, your baby fatherbeing on trial for shooting at someone.
(16:45):
We care about your other baby daddyfollowing you around at the, um, during
the Superbowl because he's stalking you.
We care about
Jay Ray (16:54):
This happened.
I didn't hear about this.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:56):
Yeah, that was an offset Cardi B thing.
Jay Ray (16:59):
Jesus Christ, sir.
DJ Sir Daniel (17:02):
but, um, yeah, so those are the things that we,
that people are showing up for.
People are showing upfor the public meltdowns.
People are showing up for, youknow, how much weight you lost.
People are showing up for whether or not,you know, your BBL is clockable or not.
That's the stuff that I thinkwe, we play a role in it as well.
(17:23):
We play a huge role in it asconsumers and No longer, they're
dictating to us what's hot.
We're no longer dictating whatthe culture should represent.
We're no longer dictatingwhat's fly and what's hot.
It's being served to us.
It's being, actually, it'sbeing pushed down our throats,
(17:45):
whether we know it or not.
Jay Ray (17:47):
Sir, Daniel.
I, this leads me to also wonder.
How important do you think it'sgoing to be important for us to
get back to like crews and groups?
I feel like so much of thecreativity gets stifled because these
(18:11):
artists are in their own bubbles.
You know what I mean?
Like they don't have like a crew.
They don't have a crew that they'retrying to compete against to rap against.
It's just them.
You know what I mean?
And the people who work with them, buta lot of times it's not just like other
emcees that you just kind of work with.
I feel like that creativity, that, thatpush, that drive to do something really
(18:37):
does sometimes happen in community.
And I'm wondering if we'vegotten so far away from that.
DJ Sir Daniel (18:44):
Mm.
Jay Ray (18:45):
for a lot of reasons.
I think, you know, money wise,it's just easier to be a solo act
because you get to keep it all
DJ Sir Daniel (18:51):
Oh, yeah.
Jay Ray (18:52):
And, uh, uh, big corporations don't want to pay all them people.
You know what I'm saying?
They don't want to have to worryabout the hassle of it all.
But I am wondering if that creativitymeans that we also need to be
spending more time together aspeople in rooms like doing stuff.
(19:13):
Mm hmm.
Mm
DJ Sir Daniel (19:14):
It's quite possible.
It It's very possible.
I mean, you mentioned this in aprior episode about the same thing
about people being separated, aboutcrews being separated and community
at the very beginning, at the very,um, at the very nexus of this art
(19:36):
form of hip hop was the thing people.
joining together in community centers,rec centers, um, battles, all of those
things, those things were happening.
But it's like, again, when thecorporations came in, they split people
up because they realized that thereis money to be made in separation.
(19:56):
There's money to be made throughcontention, battling, even though battling
was, battling has been around, but it was.
It was a friendly sport
Jay Ray (20:06):
It's a sport!
Like Kendrick talked about.
He was like, I'm into it for the sport.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:10):
for the sport of things.
So, and, and so, okay.
So this, this is a perfectplace to segue into a break
Jay Ray (20:19):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:19):
come back because speaking of Kendrick, I think there's
a lot of people who don't understand.
what is, what was going on withthe whole Kendrick Drake thing.
And so therefore they can'tunderstand the halftime performance.
And so there's a lot of people speakingon things that they don't know about.
(20:41):
And that's grinding my
Jay Ray (20:43):
That ain't their place.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:45):
Right, that's grinding my gears at this point.
So we are going to wrap up thisconversation about the ladies and
hopefully, you know, hopefully the ladieswill continue to deliver quality and as
well as, um, variety in the nearby future.
But Jay Ray, when we come back.
We got a couple things to talk about.
We're going to talk abouthalftime performances.
(21:07):
It's the 37th anniversary of oneof Spike Lee's most famous movies.
And um, we also gonna just touchon the ticket situation, you know,
giddy up for the Cowboy Carter show.
Anyway, this is Queue Points podcast.
I'm DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (21:22):
I'm Jay Ray, y'all.
DJ Sir Daniel (21:24):
and we are dropping the needle on black music history.
And we will continue to do soon the other side of this break.
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Jay Ray (23:06):
Welcome back to Queue Points, the podcast dropping the
needle on black music history.
My name is Jay Ray and thatis my brother, DJ Sir Daniel.
We're going to do some shoutouts real quick, Sir Daniel.
So over on Tik Tok, shout out tomy girl, Angie, my girl, Angie from
Detroit is tuning in over there.
DJ Sir Daniel (23:25):
What up though?
Jay Ray (23:26):
what up doe?
Adam actually is over there on fromDetroit to talking about what up though.
So Detroit is on ticktock, checking us out.
You know what I mean?
So shout out to y'all and shout outto everyone who is joining us, um,
on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.
We appreciate y'all so much.
Shout us out.
Let us know where you're tuning in from.
(23:47):
Sir, Dan, yo, we got a couple other topics
DJ Sir Daniel (23:51):
we sure do.
It's so funny that Detroit isin the building cause they got
a whole doll battle going on in
Jay Ray (23:56):
yes, it's I which I was just like what's happening
DJ Sir Daniel (24:00):
we battling over dolls
Jay Ray (24:02):
Right
DJ Sir Daniel (24:03):
But please go ahead.
Jay Ray (24:06):
So upcoming so in terms of this Sunday this past Sunday
DJ Sir Daniel (24:12):
hmm.
Jay Ray (24:13):
There was a concert that had a football game.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:16):
Yeah.
Jay Ray (24:17):
There was a concert that had a football game.
Fortunately, Philadelphia Eagles won.
I live in Chester.
So shout out to the
Eagles.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:23):
to the home team.
Jay Ray (24:24):
Yeah, but within, you know, so that was one thing.
But the big thing was the record breaking.
Half time show, um, byone, um, Kendrick Lamar.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:37):
That wasn't, that wasn't record breaking.
He wasn't more popular than Usher.
That wasn't, nah, nah, nah,
Jay Ray (24:44):
According to the numbers, y'all, I, listen, I didn't make it up.
I, I've only looked at the reporting.
I don't know if all the reportingfrom reputable sources is wrong,
but apparently it was a recordbreaking half time display.
How, in addition, though, Sir Daniel,
It was culturally relevant.
(25:08):
That was the thing that I thinkfor me was most important.
My fear was, so here's my fear going in.
I'm like, they done booked KendrickLamar for this halftime show.
And he gonna have to notdo what needs to be done.
You know what I mean?
Because that is what They will require.
(25:30):
I was wrong.
So when the, when the, apparentlywhen the, I guess it was the owner
or the head of the NFL was like,Kendrick could do whatever he wants.
They literally let that mankind of do whatever he wants.
I'm like, Oh, you, youreally are doing this.
And thank you for putting blackculture, black men together on that
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field to speak to our experience.
So.
That's a thing that happened this week.
DJ Sir Daniel (25:58):
It sure did.
Let's see.
Sunday was what?
Five?
No.
Let's math.
Sunday,
Jay Ray (26:06):
Sunday was a four day.
Oh, yeah
about four days ago,
DJ Sir Daniel (26:08):
Four days ago.
People are still talkingabout it, Jay Ray.
Jay Ray (26:14):
That's when you know, you hit that's what you know
DJ Sir Daniel (26:16):
They are still talking and people, not only are
they still talking about it, butsome people are a little butt hurt
over the fact that it took place.
Their butt hurt, hurt overthe fact that it was Kendrick.
First of all.
First of all, they're salty becauseof course he did perform they
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not like us, which is con is acontroversial song of the summer.
They are.
You know, they're salty just because,oh, they're salty because, what did
the young lady say from England?
When I, when I watch The HatTimes, I do not want to think.
I want to be entertained.
Jay Ray (26:57):
That's
DJ Sir Daniel (26:57):
want, I don't want to think.
I want to, and you know what?
Jay Ray (27:02):
for you
DJ Sir Daniel (27:02):
Good for you, but you're going to get,
you're going to get knowledge.
You're going to get
Jay Ray (27:06):
You're going to get this word, you're going to get better
knowledge, you're getting withthe people you need to get with.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:11):
And unfortunately, sis, that's what's going to happen.
Um, that's what happenedwith the Kendrick Lamar show.
Um, I think that, and I really, this willbe the only time you hear us talk about
it, cause we're not going to go on for.
Weeks talking about this thing
Jay Ray (27:27):
But you can invite us on to your, to other platforms.
If you want us to come on at WaxPoetic about, there's so much we
could talk about, invite us on.
We won't do that over here, but we'llcome over to your, your platform.
So if you want to have QueuePoints come over, let us know.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:41):
That's fair I'm not but I'm not arguing about who's the
biggest star between Kendrick and Drake
Jay Ray (27:45):
Oh, I'm not having that conversation.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:47):
we that's dead I'll leave that to those other
podcasts and But what was I saying?
It's just The idea so yes, so the younglady was saying she doesn't want to think
we just want to you know Have a goodshow and then there's this argument about
Whether or not that was the worst, um,Super Bowl halftime performance ever.
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And that's being said bypeople on the right wing.
Of course, you know, Fox and Friends,they're gonna say that because,
well, you know, um, there were alot of, it was, it was culturally
aware, and they can't stand when wedo things that are culturally aware.
And where we do things that are, well,you know, their favorite word woke,
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they can't stand anything that's woke.
And I had to, I had to sit back andthink about, we see a cleansing already.
This administration isalready doing a cleansing.
of anything cultural or anythingthat would cause you to think or
have any kind of critical thinkingskills, another scary word.
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There's a, they're being,they're being cleansed out.
You see the KennedyCenter is, um, purging.
People are leaving.
Issa Rae is leaving.
Um, somebody else, um, publicly said that
Jay Ray (29:07):
Rhimes, step down.
DJ Sir Daniel (29:09):
yes.
So, we're seeing things, we'reseeing that people, there's
gonna be a, a a very Stark line.
This is not an this isnot an invisible line.
This is not a scrimmage line SeeI gave y'all a football term.
This is not a scrimmage.
This is not imaginary a real line is beingdrawn Between people, between people that
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want to exchange ideas and uphold history,teach history, exchange knowledge.
And then there's the other half that wantsto just completely control narratives,
control information, and control thoughts.
And so I think what This performancedid on a grander scheme is it exposed
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and made that line very, very visible.
And it just is like a starting pointof more foolishness to come with
the administration that we have inoffice now and just the world and just
the world in general, like they'rethinkers and they're non thinkers.
Jay Ray (30:15):
Listen, Toni Morrison, um, there's the great, uh, Toni
Morrison in 1975 did this talk at,I think, Portland State, I believe
is where that talk took place.
It gets sampled all the time.
People are always pullingfrom that, that conversation.
But one of the things she talked aboutwas how when people When racism, when
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people want to take control, theystart erasing your culture, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (30:44):
Yes.
Jay Ray (30:45):
Can't let you have it, because what, when you start being
able to think, when you start beingable to see, it creates imagination,
DJ Sir Daniel (30:51):
have pride.
Jay Ray (30:52):
You have pride, and you suddenly, all of a sudden, you don't want to
do what they want you to do, right?
So, I think we'redefinitely at that point.
It is not surprising that what we'reseeing happen, in particular with
the Kennedy Center, is happening.
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Um, what I think we must do, and whatKendrick was, to your point, really
making sure that we know that wehave to do, is we have to do this.
We gotta come here and doQueue Points every week.
DJ Sir Daniel (31:30):
Yes.
Jay Ray (31:31):
We have to.
This is our work.
We can't let this history gountold because it will be erased.
We are the people that hold the history.
If we don't talk about it, the peoplethat hold the history will pass on and
it will be, where is it going to be?
DJ Sir Daniel (31:50):
It's a battle between culture and corporation.
And it just so happens that I sawa clip today that spoke to this
conversation that we're havingnow and It comes from somebody
that I admired so much growing up.
And even though, you know, he's hada few hiccups in, in his career too.
(32:13):
And some things that we chose notto speak about or that are, have
not been spoken about, but KRS One.
Um, was on with, what's my
Jay Ray (32:26):
Be real.
DJ Sir Daniel (32:26):
Be Real from Cypress Hill and told me, gave an
anecdote of a, uh, something thathappened that speaks volumes to
what we were talking about tonight.
And we just want to run this clip for youbecause I think it drives the point home.
Jay Ray (32:40):
I agree.
So y'all, this point, thisclip is long, but it's perfect.
And it's Chris.
So just check it out.
And we, you know what I mean?
And we gonna, uh, comeback and talk about it.
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Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (37:39):
That, I, there's no way, no other, there was a better way that that
could have capsulized Everything that isgoing on today, whether it's Kendrick's
performance, whether it's the battlebetween him and Drake, whether it's, um,
whether or not we have black history ornot, or can we, we can say it out loud,
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there is a war on culture right now.
Corporations.
are making it known that theyare here to take over everything,
but choices have to be made.
Choices have to be made, likeintention, moving with intention
(38:23):
has to be done in order for peopleto, in order for culture to survive.
And that's the bottom line.
It's like.
We're going to see, we're goingto see people, we're going to
see who's real and who's not.
We're going to see who's forthe culture and who's not.
We're going to see people that will, youknow, a term that's going to come back up
(38:46):
is what we used to say back in the day.
People are going, you're going tosee who's a sellout and who's not.
It's going to be so apparent.
And the people that lead with money.
And seeing how much moneythey have or flashing money.
We can pretty much surmise thatthose are the ones that aren't
on the side of corporate andcorporations and not the culture.
Jay Ray (39:10):
Yeah.
And the thing about this is, in, in, infull transparency, and I'm sure Sir Daniel
will be cool with me just talking aboutthis, like, internal to CuePoints, we've
been having this conversation, right?
Deciding where, where the line is, right?
And when we, we literally just liketwo weeks ago said, we can't do that.
(39:36):
It was, and that was what?
Like 5, 000?
5, 000. We need that 5, 000.
Let's be
very clear.
Should we monetize here?
We need this right.
To be able to keep doingwhat it is that we do.
This is not a cheap thing to do.
Right.
But it was like, and it was user day.
(39:56):
It was like, yeah, but we can't.
And you were like, you're right.
We can't.
We cannot, we gotta, wegotta make these choices.
Right.
And so it you're absolutely right, sir.Daniel, like it is going to become really,
really apparent and y'all big and small.
(40:19):
We have to decide who we are,like, who, what we, what we going
to do and what we not going to do.
And we going to stand on what we,we going to stand on who we are.
DJ Sir Daniel (40:29):
So perfect place to bring this up and I hope we don't
get stung too, too bad by the beehivebecause the beehive is buzzing.
Um, is Are we seeing the Cowboy Carterconcert series, the Chitlin Circuit tour
Jay Ray (40:45):
Stop it!
DJ Sir Daniel (40:47):
No, that's what it's called, the Chitlin
Jay Ray (40:48):
Oh, is that what it's
called?
DJ Sir Daniel (40:50):
hmm.
Which I adore.
I like the fact that it's called theChitlin Circuit because it pays homage.
But people are complainingabout the prices.
And, you know, again, this is a business.
Um.
There's a lot, and now we probably couldhave a whole discussion about this alone,
but it's, it falls in line with whatwe're talking about, is, we know people
(41:13):
are in the business to make money, butshould Is it, is it, are these prices tone
deaf, you know, eggs or concert tickets,
Jay Ray (41:27):
That's literally the choices we have to make nowadays.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:30):
have to make
Jay Ray (41:31):
choices we have to make.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:32):
and not saying that, um, the artist is responsible
for making those ticket prices.
I don't, I don't know.
Uh, I'm, I'm very curious ifanybody has any insight to how
ticket prices are calculated.
We would love to hear about it.
Jay Ray (41:49):
It's, it's a combination.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:51):
Okay, so it is
Jay Ray (41:52):
it's, it's it's definitely a combination.
Because, it, it, it, it, it.
The, the, the, the team,
DJ Sir Daniel (41:59):
Uh huh.
Jay Ray (42:00):
if you are working at that level, there are people who work for
you who do all of that stuff, right?
Um, I, I cannot imagine that she'sin like a conference room where
that conversation is happening.
It's more just people get paidto make those decisions, right?
Um, I think the co I think theconversation that we're having is twofold.
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It's much like the conversationearlier is Sexyy Red.
Um, This is, I want people to experiencetheir joy, and I want people to
have the best experiences possible.
And you know what?
We know that that tour is going to bebeautiful and amazing and all the things.
I think the question is, tothat point of, is this the
(42:49):
time to do something like that?
Right?
Is this the time to do that?
There could be a wholelot of ways to tour.
There's a whole lot of ways totour right and and show up right
but We are in a moment right now,
(43:09):
and I ain't getting in nobody's pockets.
If you can, if you can afford itand go, if you can afford it and go.
But if you can't afford it,don't feel bad about not going.
DJ Sir Daniel (43:19):
Yeah.
Jay Ray (43:20):
And that's the thing I think we need to say to people is
it's like, it's not a ding on you.
You're not a Failure because you can't goto the, the Chitlin circuit tour, right?
That's not, uh, it's a rough time, right?
It's, it's not an easy momentthat we're in right now.
You
DJ Sir Daniel (43:39):
It doesn't, not being able to attend the concert does not
take away from your, your level ofdevotion and fanhood to this artist.
Like Jay Ray said, there are choicesthat have to be made and in this life,
in this life, you gotta make, you know,
Jay Ray (43:59):
to eat them eggs Oh,
DJ Sir Daniel (44:03):
a little bit more than, you know, um,
Jay Ray (44:06):
Hold'em.
DJ Sir Daniel (44:09):
the Saint Texas, Texas Hold'em.
It might sustain you just alittle bit more than that.
But I get it, we're nothere to yuck anybody's yum.
Jay Ray (44:17):
go in and laugh, child.
DJ Sir Daniel (44:19):
do what you, do what you need to do.
Find your joy, find your peace.
But, please don't gointo bankruptcy about it.
Please don't.
Jay Ray (44:30):
Please
DJ Sir Daniel (44:30):
Please don't.
We want you to be, be, besmart about what you're doing.
Handle your business.
But yeah, so enjoy that.
But you know, you can always, alwaysgo to your favorite streaming service
and you can look up, um, A classicSpike Lee movie by the name of School
Days, and you can watch that for free.
(44:52):
You can watch the Rayssing, I don't wanna be alone
Jay Ray (44:55):
You know, tonight,
yes!
DJ Sir Daniel (44:58):
You can be entertained in the comfort of your home and celebrate
the 37th anniversary of Spike Lee'sSchool Days right along with us.
37 years, Jay Ray.
Jay Ray (45:10):
Um, and 37 years, that film.
Um, so much of what we love aboutthe culture today was really kind of
birth inside of school days, right?
The in terms.
Yes, Baychella was literallybirth from school day.
(45:30):
So school days is in everything.
And not only that.
Um, there are so many prominentperformers that came out of that film.
Jasmine guy has often talked about waslike, that was a lot of our first movie.
Like, do we had not been in a moviebefore that we were like stage kids
(45:52):
and all of a sudden we're in a film.
So that movie.
is so groundbreaking.
We talked about it.
Um, during hip hop's 50th anniversary.
Um, we talked about the careerof Spike Lee and how important
Spike Lee has been to hip hop.
So definitely go back and checkout that, um, that, that show.
DJ Sir Daniel (46:11):
L. Jackson, that popped up in Kendrick Lamar's,
um, halftime performance, has awonderful performance in school days.
A lot of your faves, like J. Rae said.
Started off in, um, school days or ina sparkly joint, but also remember Jay
Ray, one of the underlying stories,one of the backstories of school days
(46:32):
was there was a storyline about, um,about the school, uh, what's the term?
Um, because apartheid was a big story
Jay Ray (46:42):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (46:42):
87 88.
Um, and so the school was benefiting fromcorporations that um, supported apartheid.
And Lawrence Fishburne'scharacter divesting
Jay Ray (46:55):
Divesting.
Mm
DJ Sir Daniel (46:57):
so that the school could divest from those backers so
that they would not support apartheid.
And that's 37 years ago.
Jay Ray (47:05):
here we are.
DJ Sir Daniel (47:07):
issues are coming, are being brought up again in the, in,
in, in school days is happening today.
So it's like art.
That's the thing about good art,
Jay Ray (47:18):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (47:18):
old it gets, it still speaks to whatever's happening right now.
And shout out to visit the chat.
Sam Jackson, um, played one of theJay Ray Curl brothers at the KFC that
was mad about them educated brotherscoming up in their neighborhood
talking all proper and stuff.
And he was wearing the Jay RayCurl cap in, um, school days.
Jay Ray (47:39):
Samuel L. Jackson is literally My God, he's been in everything
DJ Sir Daniel (47:46):
a walking history book.
Jay Ray (47:48):
he is
DJ Sir Daniel (47:49):
He is a walking history
Jay Ray (47:51):
now he's been Uncle Sam
DJ Sir Daniel (47:53):
And now he's been Uncle Sam.
And, um, apparently, apparentlysome people were saying
that you shouldn't call him.
No, he was being Uncle Tom.
He was playing Uncle Tom and then Isaw something about we shouldn't use
the term Uncle Tom, we should use theterm Sambo when regarding to a black
person that's less than honorable.
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That's a whole
Jay Ray (48:14):
That's a whole nother conversation Lord Jesus, um, but yes 37
years of school days Um, so yeah, go watchschool if you want to, if you want to
get a, you know, a little entertainment,go ahead and watch school days.
You know, it's, it's part drama,part musical, you know, all black.
It's Black History Month.
You should just go ahead and watch it.
DJ Sir Daniel (48:36):
Good or bad hair?
See if I care.
Jay Ray (48:40):
So, um, Sir Daniel, of course, tomorrow is a day.
Um, it is Valentine's Day tomorrow, SirDaniel, um, and which is so interesting.
It's been so much going on.
It's crazy that it's Valentine's Day, butone of the things that of course happens
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on Valentine's Day is people, and SirDaniel, you used to have a whole set where
you just did your slow jam set, whichwas, of course, was mostly full of love
songs, but this brings up a question.
Um, what?
are your favorite, and it don'thave to be more than one, but do
you have favorite hip hop love song?
DJ Sir Daniel (49:19):
Yes.
Um, I think I'll go, I feel,believe this is the first hip hop
Of course, LL Cool J's I Need Love.
Jay Ray (49:30):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (49:31):
Um, right after that for me is, Oh, A Teenage Love
Jay Ray (49:36):
Teenage Love by Slick Rick is great.
DJ Sir Daniel (49:38):
Don't hurt me again.
That's hot.
Don't hurt me again.
And um, Bonita Applebaum.
Jay Ray (49:45):
Bonita Applebaum is a great, great song.
It's so sweet.
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, um, what are favorite,uh, uh, hip hop love songs?
Of course, for me, Silent Treatment byThe Roots is absolutely, I think, one of
the most gorgeous, um, slow jams, period.
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Um, I think One Love by Houdini.
DJ Sir Daniel (50:10):
Yes.
Jay Ray (50:11):
Love by Houdini definitely does a thing.
Um, You only get one.
One love.
One love.
Alright, I'm not gonnado, I'm not gonna do that.
Um, what else?
Uh, Did I pick another Roots song?
I can't pick another.
DJ Sir Daniel (50:28):
do you think?
What about, um, Common?
Jay Ray (50:31):
Which one?
Uh, uh, The comment has so many.
But you know what?
If I was gonna pick a common Love song.
I do love Love of MyLife with Erykah Badu.
I think that's a great song.
Um, but there's also I'm gonnapick You Got Me, actually.
So, I got two root
DJ Sir Daniel (50:51):
Dope.
Dope.
Dope.
Jay Ray (50:52):
I'm gonna pick You Got Me.
There are some We don't give
We don't give rappers enough credit.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:01):
Yes, I agree.
Jay Ray (51:04):
Oh, the light.
Yes.
Um, the light by, uh, uh, Common.
Um, you consider poor Georgia,wait a minute, this is like, you
consider poor Georgia a love song?
DJ Sir Daniel (51:16):
You know MC light MC light it had quite a few
soliloquies about love gone wrong
Jay Ray (51:25):
She did
she did,
she did,
DJ Sir Daniel (51:27):
she was dating crackheads in high school and
Jay Ray (51:30):
Uh, folks who are using alcohol, alcohol.
Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:34):
Drug dealers all of them just had a lot
Jay Ray (51:38):
sidebar, we talked, wasn't in our last meeting that we talked about
the fact that MC light storytellingis just my, like some of my favorite.
Cappuccino is just one ofmy favorite stories to hear.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:49):
amazing.
She's, uh, she's right
Jay Ray (51:52):
in and I ordered a cup.
Some guy behind the back said, shut up.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:56):
And I did.
Pronto.
Jay Ray (51:58):
Quick, fast.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:59):
there with Slick Rick.
Like, she's, her narration is suchan important part of rap music.
And shout out to those peoplethat can entertain you and
spin a tale at the same time.
That takes a certain amount of skill.
So shout out to MC Lyte for that.
Um.
You know, shout out to SamGeorgie and all the and
Jay Ray (52:21):
Roughneck is a love song.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:23):
and roughneck.
Yes, indeed
Jay Ray (52:25):
It's a tacky love song.
And you listen toRoughneck now and I'm like,
DJ Sir Daniel (52:29):
Got to get a what?
Jay Ray (52:30):
this young man needs other, has other problems.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:35):
Okay, the last point of this, the last part
of this tangent that we're on.
So, people have caught on to thefact that MC Lyte, um, made a song
about messing around with a 17 yearold or a young man that turned About
Jay Ray (52:49):
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:54):
listen back to that But I saw a video somebody one of these young
people found it and they were like, uh,Excuse me MC light you were talking about
Essaying somebody that's under 17 But yes,that's, that's a story for another day.
That's a story for another day.
Go ahead.
Jay Ray (53:13):
How Do I Love Thee by Queen Latifah.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:15):
Dope.
Yes, indeed.
Jay Ray (53:16):
do I love thee by Queen Latifah, which people do not
give that song enough credit.
You know, it's a hip house joint.
She's just kind of talking over it.
You know, it's very sensual.
She made a video for that song.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:29):
I love that one as well.
And yes, shout out to Viz again.
Mahogany by Rakim.
Also a dope.
A dope.
Oh, to the opposite sex.
Which a lot of rappersare, do very well about.
So listen, JRE, let's wrap it up realquick, cause I know we gotta let the
people go back to what they were doing,
Jay Ray (53:48):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:48):
we gotta thank everybody for tuning in.
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DJ Sir Daniel (54:25):
We sure do, and what do I always say in this life, you have
a choice, you can either pick up theneedle, or you can let the record play.
Peace to the lie!
Respect to the lie,
Jay Ray (54:35):
Okay.
We.
DJ Sir Daniel (54:37):
to her lie, this
Jay Ray (54:38):
We are not leaving until we talk about y'all.
Okay.
Real quick.
DJ Sir Daniel (54:45):
That girl is a star.
Shout Onijah.
Onijah is back home inthese United States.
She's already booked.
already so that's peaceto the lie, respect to the
lie, and respect to her lie.
Jay Ray (54:58):
She's amazing, y'all.
Like, I'm like, that womanis not well, but I love her.
DJ Sir Daniel (55:03):
She is not well at all but yes indeed.
Thank you for joining us forthis episode of Queue Points.
We'll see you on the next go round.
Peace to the
Jay Ray (55:13):
Peace.
My God, let it go.
Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.
I'm DJ Sir Daniel.
Jay Ray (00:21):
And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government
as Johnny Ray Cornegay the third.
What's happening, folks?
DJ Sir Daniel (00:28):
Listen, Jay Ray, they say the best things in life are free,
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Mmm.
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DJ Sir Daniel (00:43):
of Queue Points.
We are the, the podcast dropping theneedle on black music history and,
um, JRay, so I was on, as I always do,I'm going through my social media feed
The Jennifer Hudson show posted theirlatest pre show celebrity tunnel clip.
(01:03):
If you're all familiar with the preshow tunnel clip is when whoever
the celebrity guest is they comewalking down the the hallway and
the the the the the the showrunnersand the the uh the What are they
Jay Ray (01:20):
I guess the production team.
Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (01:22):
is they they make up a song and they clap the person down the hall
while they do a little jig down the hall.
It's really cute.
It's a signature.
It's a signature social media postfor the Jennifer Hudson show and
it goes over really well with with.
everybody.
So, um, needless to say, I was supersurprised when I saw today's feature
(01:44):
was none other than Get It Sexy.
Get It Sexy.
Get It Sexy.
Sexyy Red was coming down the hallway.
And in true Sexyy Red fashion,she was being Sexyy Red.
She had on what I, Derek, she had on whatI like to refer to as daytime lingerie.
(02:06):
Right,
Jay Ray (02:08):
But outside the house, like not in the bedroom, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (02:12):
She was, she was wearing her best daytime lingerie look, coming
down, and of course, you know, in SexyyRed fashion, she bent it over and, you
know, kind of cracked it a little bit.
And they had to put a heart over it.
So they censored it.
So that means know that it's a bitmuch for the Jennifer Hudson audience.
Jay Ray (02:35):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (02:37):
yeah, so I was just like, when I saw that, I was like,
um, this is where we doing now?
This is where we at?
Okay, so I'm, the question I havefor y'all that are already in
the chat and that are tuning in,because we have a, it's part of the
larger topic that we have tonight.
But, Jay Ray, is there anything,do we need to start shaming?
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People just a little bit or is thereanything wrong with a little bit
of shame these it's a little bit
Jay Ray (03:04):
don't, I don't.
Yes.
So it's just a general yes.
I don't think it is.
We need to shame people becauseI don't think I'm gonna speak
for I, I Johnny or Jay Ray.
Hey, don't have the abilityto just like shame somebody.
(03:26):
Like, I don't feel like that's my place.
I don't feel like that'syou ain't my child.
You ain't nobody that I can like,
DJ Sir Daniel (03:32):
you ain't mama.
You ain't none of my
Jay Ray (03:34):
ain't none of my, you know what I'm saying?
However, I Jay Ray do have some shameabout myself and I'd be like, I am not
going to go on national television inthe middle of the day and do this kind
of foolishness going down the thing.
(03:54):
Now, this is not arespectability politics thing.
Y'all.
I, sir, Daniel, you knowme, I am so liberal, baby.
You like it.
I love it.
It is fine,
DJ Sir Daniel (04:05):
we're not policing black women's
Jay Ray (04:07):
policing, black women, body, Sexyy Red could do
whatever she wants with her body.
However, and there's a time and placefor stuff and, and on national TV
going down the, the, the JenniferHudson soul train line, where do you
got to put a heart over the thing?
DJ Sir Daniel (04:24):
over the booty here
Jay Ray (04:25):
seems like, it just seems like it's a bit much.
And I think Kyriakos and Mark.
Are kind of echoing the thing that Ithink I think I get why she's a thing.
So Kyriakos, I do get why she's a thing.
I just don't think it's for me.
It's definitely not for me, buthonestly, I don't think it's I don't
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think it should be for a lot of people.
There's she should come with.
She should literally walkaround with a parental advisory
label, like over her body.
DJ Sir Daniel (04:59):
her body.
Shout out to Shannon Perez.
Darby is in the, is in the
Jay Ray (05:02):
up,
DJ Sir Daniel (05:03):
chat.
And it's so funny that she's in thechat because her, along with her show
partner, we had a discussion, Tashmika,we had a discussion about this, something
similar to this earlier last year,as a matter of fact, and it is coming
around again, where it's almost like.
Okay, I get it.
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I see where the ladies are going.
Um, I don't want to make this abouthammering that, hammering down the women
that are in the game that are doingtheir thing because yes, we know they've
been carrying the, um, we know that
Jay Ray (05:38):
hop on their back.
DJ Sir Daniel (05:39):
on their backs.
They've been selling out shows.
all of that good stuff.
I think we, Jay Ray and I just recalla time, as a matter of fact, 27
years ago in the month of February,27 years ago, Vibe magazine, um,
February's issue was a double cover
Jay Ray (05:59):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (06:00):
and then it's this double cover featured the top hip
hop artists, both male and female.
And this was such an iconic cover becausethis cover featured, uh, Kim, Lil Kim,
Missy Elliot, Foxy Brown, Lauren Hill.
They had their own cover cause they,they separated it by, um, men and women.
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And it was such a dope idea.
Um, you know, of course wehad the brat in the mix.
You had Trina on the come up.
You have Rod Diggle on the comeup, a mill, all of these different
flavors of women in hip hop.
And they were all coexisting, J.
Ray.
Now, look at Kim.
Jay Ray (06:44):
Look,
DJ Sir Daniel (06:45):
Kim is in full That ain't daytime
Jay Ray (06:47):
that's not daytime lingerie
DJ Sir Daniel (06:49):
that's nighttime, you know, hardcore La Bella
Mafia lingerie right there.
That's Kim doing what Kim doesand having a great time doing it.
And we respect her for it.
Jay Ray (07:00):
Yes,
DJ Sir Daniel (07:02):
But there was a time where, but Kim, Fox
Jay Ray (07:05):
look at like look at Lauren look at Missy look at Kim look at foxy like
DJ Sir Daniel (07:10):
it all, it coexisted together.
They, everybody had their own flavorand was still selling records,
winning, winning multiple Grammys,um, and all kinds of awards.
But now it's just like,uh, what are we doing guys?
What are, what are we doing here?
How did we get here?
Jay Ray (07:27):
How did we get how you got to sing the song?
DJ Sir Daniel (07:31):
did we, okay.
Before we get, before weget kicked off of IG and
Jay Ray (07:37):
Because you know, Deborah Cox will come on and be like how they said
how they sounded so good singing my song.
Right?
Um, so.
What I absolutely love aboutthis moment is it's such a
variety of like styles, right?
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You know what I'm saying?
Even when we look at the men.
So you have LL, who by this pointis a legitimate veteran, like
LL is 13 years into his career.
As part of this cover, right?
So you got an LL, you have BustaRhymes, you have Method Man, and
you have Master P, who's fairly newon the national stage at this time.
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He had been around for awhile, but nationally new.
But let's go back to these women, tothat point of like, there was a moment
in time When Missy, Kim, Lauren, andFoxy could not only be on magazine
covers together, they were all sellingplatinum albums at the exact same time
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and were able to do these differentflavors of what hip hop was right now.
Everything is so one note,at least from a commercial.
We're talking from a commercial standpointbecause we can already hear y'all
like there's a whole lot of rappers.
There are a whole lot of womenwho are out here killing the game.
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But commercially we get one type ofthing that is currently happening.
DJ Sir Daniel (09:17):
And so here's the thing.
I, you know, I'm rubbing my crystalball and I'm making a prediction here.
I'm having a vision like Raven.
That's so Raven.
Like, I'm starting to feel likethere's going to be a bust.
Jay Ray (09:36):
There has to
DJ Sir Daniel (09:36):
like how the economy is about to bust and they're
warning that the, the housing,all that stuff is about to bust.
There's a B, there's about to be a,a bust in what people are going to.
continue supporting, especially whenit comes to female rap, because like
we said earlier, female rap is prettymuch carrying the game on, carrying
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the game on their back right now.
But I predicted that there's going to bea bust that people aren't going to be.
As likely to support or things aren'tgoing to get be on the level as they
were and I could be wrong here Thisis just me, but I'm starting to see
well Maybe there might be peopleare getting desperate desperate
(10:22):
times call for desperate measures.
You even got the oneyoung lady What was her
Jay Ray (10:28):
Who?
DJ Sir Daniel (10:29):
She's, now she's in a commercial featuring, uh, covering
Kaya's My Neck, My Back, but it'sfor a, a Dove soap commercial.
You know, the young lady that don'tlike children on a plane with her,
that was going, was going headup with T. I. 's grandchildren,
Jay Ray (10:43):
What's her name?
Chica?
DJ Sir Daniel (10:44):
That's it.
The one that wanted to fight, um, T.
I. 's grandchildren.
Right.
So now she's doing commercials.
Singing a variation of My Neck,My Back, because it's hard out
here, it's hard out here for her,like someone that presents like
Jay Ray (10:59):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:00):
and raps like her is not going to be climbing on the charts.
Jay Ray (11:04):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:05):
So she's gotta, so even in her own small way, she's kind of
acquiescing to what the, um, the, the, themarketplace is calling for in her own way.
But now it's just getting I don't knowI think it's kind of getting out of hand
and there might just be a Blowback andthere might just be it's not just gonna
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be the men that aren't selling right?
They're gonna be declining salesin this whole rap game Completely
Jay Ray (11:33):
So, um, I want to shout out Kipper, who is also in the
chat, who said, as with music ingeneral, it will hit the wall, right?
So it's what happens every time.
Um, what, what I am, what gives mehope, what gives me hope is that.
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Listen, Rhapsody got her, her first Grammythis year, you know what I'm saying?
And that woman has been churning outhigh quality albums for almost a decade
at this point, if not a decade, right?
High quality material.
And it does give me some hope that.
(12:17):
You know, folks like her.
So it's not just her out there.
We have Tiara Wack and some ofthese other, you know, folks that
are out there, LaKaylee47, all ofthese folks out there who are really
making high quality hip hop, right?
On the women's side, of course, weknow Kendrick literally just reset.
(12:37):
What men in hip hop arerequired to do, right?
I'm sure all of the dudes are sittingthere like shaking in their boots about
DJ Sir Daniel (12:47):
Now we gotta
Jay Ray (12:48):
now.
I got a rap I got a like right.
DJ Sir Daniel (12:51):
I Gotta be deep and stuff.
Oh, man.
Okay
Jay Ray (12:54):
Oh Man right, but for the women I feel like that same sort of reset Is,
you know, on the way where it's justgoing to be required for them to like,
to like, you know, pick up the pen again.
Well, the fortunate thing aboutwomen is actually the women have
kind of been like, all of thesewomen have been rapping, rapping.
DJ Sir Daniel (13:15):
Yes.
True.
Jay Ray (13:16):
just image wise has been a whole other thing, but they've
generally been like rapping, rapping.
I think from an image perspective,that's where the bust is going to come.
Seeing the variety.
And how women can be presented tous from a commercial standpoint.
DJ Sir Daniel (13:32):
Right.
And you know, and speaking ofthe Grammys, we would be remiss
if we did not bring up Dolce,
Jay Ray (13:40):
Love Dochi!
Yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (13:42):
like, really cleaned up at the Grammys on her
first go round and has really donesomething special with her career.
And she, you know, she told thatline of You know, of being sexy,
you know, she was, she had a bikinibottom during her Grammy performance.
But she was up there rapping.
Jay Ray (14:02):
She raps.
DJ Sir Daniel (14:03):
she raps down, like, and she spits.
And so, is Dolce likethe, the final frontier?
Is she the last hope?
It's like, but what if you, what ifyou can't, you can spit, God, God
forgive me for what I'm about to say.
What if you spit like Dolce,but you look like Dank?
Jay Ray (14:24):
I think that's fine, though, right?
There's always, well, there's otherproblems with Dank, but the other Dank,
there's other problems with Dank, though.
So, the, okay.
This is actually a really interestingpoint, sir. Daniel, I think,
I think we are also at the pointin commercial hip hop where
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gimmicks are kind of like somepeople think they need a gimmick.
And I think folks look atsize now as like a gimmick.
You know what I'm saying?
That they can play up.
So I feel like if somebody was spittinglike Dolce, and looked like dank,
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there's an opportunity for them.
There's a, there's a lane for them.
I think, you know, uh, uh, uh,who's our homegirl that, that we,
that, that was, uh, body positivityand she just lost a lot of weight.
Lizzo!
Child, that's a shame.
I couldn't rememberthat lady's name, honey.
It's been a while andshe's been through a lot.
(15:27):
But I think Lizzo kind of opened.
up was possible.
However, I think here's what it is.
The gimmicks have to stop, right?
It's about letting the talent lead.
And I think if there's anythingwe can take from this moment,
taking from Dolce, right?
Letting your talent lead you, right?
(15:49):
This is no, like, no, this is what I do.
If you spit, you spit.
This is what I do.
No matter what you look like.
So I think there would beroom, but it's just like, you
got to lean into what you do.
DJ Sir Daniel (15:59):
For sure.
And shout out to, um, I believeit's Infinite64, uh, wants
to join in the conversation.
Please feel free to leavesomething in the chat.
Um, that's the quickest way to, tohop in and be heard on the show.
But I, you know, I thinkyou're right, J. Rey.
I think we, it's where the gimmickshave to stop and the talent has to lead.
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Um,
But here's the rub.
We have, everything now has becomeso media led where it's like we
don't care about the music anymore.
We care about your personal life.
We care about, you know, your baby fatherbeing on trial for shooting at someone.
(16:45):
We care about your other baby daddyfollowing you around at the, um, during
the Superbowl because he's stalking you.
We care about
Jay Ray (16:54):
This happened.
I didn't hear about this.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:56):
Yeah, that was an offset Cardi B thing.
Jay Ray (16:59):
Jesus Christ, sir.
DJ Sir Daniel (17:02):
but, um, yeah, so those are the things that we,
that people are showing up for.
People are showing upfor the public meltdowns.
People are showing up for, youknow, how much weight you lost.
People are showing up for whether or not,you know, your BBL is clockable or not.
That's the stuff that I thinkwe, we play a role in it as well.
(17:23):
We play a huge role in it asconsumers and No longer, they're
dictating to us what's hot.
We're no longer dictating whatthe culture should represent.
We're no longer dictatingwhat's fly and what's hot.
It's being served to us.
It's being, actually, it'sbeing pushed down our throats,
(17:45):
whether we know it or not.
Jay Ray (17:47):
Sir, Daniel.
I, this leads me to also wonder.
How important do you think it'sgoing to be important for us to
get back to like crews and groups?
I feel like so much of thecreativity gets stifled because these
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artists are in their own bubbles.
You know what I mean?
Like they don't have like a crew.
They don't have a crew that they'retrying to compete against to rap against.
It's just them.
You know what I mean?
And the people who work with them, buta lot of times it's not just like other
emcees that you just kind of work with.
I feel like that creativity, that, thatpush, that drive to do something really
(18:37):
does sometimes happen in community.
And I'm wondering if we'vegotten so far away from that.
DJ Sir Daniel (18:44):
Mm.
Jay Ray (18:45):
for a lot of reasons.
I think, you know, money wise,it's just easier to be a solo act
because you get to keep it all
DJ Sir Daniel (18:51):
Oh, yeah.
Jay Ray (18:52):
And, uh, uh, big corporations don't want to pay all them people.
You know what I'm saying?
They don't want to have to worryabout the hassle of it all.
But I am wondering if that creativitymeans that we also need to be
spending more time together aspeople in rooms like doing stuff.
(19:13):
Mm hmm.
Mm
DJ Sir Daniel (19:14):
It's quite possible.
It It's very possible.
I mean, you mentioned this in aprior episode about the same thing
about people being separated, aboutcrews being separated and community
at the very beginning, at the very,um, at the very nexus of this art
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form of hip hop was the thing people.
joining together in community centers,rec centers, um, battles, all of those
things, those things were happening.
But it's like, again, when thecorporations came in, they split people
up because they realized that thereis money to be made in separation.
(19:56):
There's money to be made throughcontention, battling, even though battling
was, battling has been around, but it was.
It was a friendly sport
Jay Ray (20:06):
It's a sport!
Like Kendrick talked about.
He was like, I'm into it for the sport.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:10):
for the sport of things.
So, and, and so, okay.
So this, this is a perfectplace to segue into a break
Jay Ray (20:19):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:19):
come back because speaking of Kendrick, I think there's
a lot of people who don't understand.
what is, what was going on withthe whole Kendrick Drake thing.
And so therefore they can'tunderstand the halftime performance.
And so there's a lot of people speakingon things that they don't know about.
(20:41):
And that's grinding my
Jay Ray (20:43):
That ain't their place.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:45):
Right, that's grinding my gears at this point.
So we are going to wrap up thisconversation about the ladies and
hopefully, you know, hopefully the ladieswill continue to deliver quality and as
well as, um, variety in the nearby future.
But Jay Ray, when we come back.
We got a couple things to talk about.
We're going to talk abouthalftime performances.
(21:07):
It's the 37th anniversary of oneof Spike Lee's most famous movies.
And um, we also gonna just touchon the ticket situation, you know,
giddy up for the Cowboy Carter show.
Anyway, this is Queue Points podcast.
I'm DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (21:22):
I'm Jay Ray, y'all.
DJ Sir Daniel (21:24):
and we are dropping the needle on black music history.
And we will continue to do soon the other side of this break.
So you don't go nowhere.
You stay right where you are.
We'll be right back after this.
So Jay Ray, you know, we've recentlyhad a string of bad weather . And
you know who I kept thinkingabout, especially on the snow days?
(21:44):
I kept thinking about parents.
I can't imagine being a parent andhaving to come up with things like to
occupy your children's time, but atthe same time, they're missing school.
So you want it to be aproductive time as well.
Luckily, Luckily for all ourparents out there, we have a
great friend by the name of Penny.
(22:04):
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(22:28):
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Peace.
Peace.
Jay Ray (23:06):
Welcome back to Queue Points, the podcast dropping the
needle on black music history.
My name is Jay Ray and thatis my brother, DJ Sir Daniel.
We're going to do some shoutouts real quick, Sir Daniel.
So over on Tik Tok, shout out tomy girl, Angie, my girl, Angie from
Detroit is tuning in over there.
DJ Sir Daniel (23:25):
What up though?
Jay Ray (23:26):
what up doe?
Adam actually is over there on fromDetroit to talking about what up though.
So Detroit is on ticktock, checking us out.
You know what I mean?
So shout out to y'all and shout outto everyone who is joining us, um,
on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.
We appreciate y'all so much.
Shout us out.
Let us know where you're tuning in from.
(23:47):
Sir, Dan, yo, we got a couple other topics
DJ Sir Daniel (23:51):
we sure do.
It's so funny that Detroit isin the building cause they got
a whole doll battle going on in
Jay Ray (23:56):
yes, it's I which I was just like what's happening
DJ Sir Daniel (24:00):
we battling over dolls
Jay Ray (24:02):
Right
DJ Sir Daniel (24:03):
But please go ahead.
Jay Ray (24:06):
So upcoming so in terms of this Sunday this past Sunday
DJ Sir Daniel (24:12):
hmm.
Jay Ray (24:13):
There was a concert that had a football game.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:16):
Yeah.
Jay Ray (24:17):
There was a concert that had a football game.
Fortunately, Philadelphia Eagles won.
I live in Chester.
So shout out to the
Eagles.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:23):
to the home team.
Jay Ray (24:24):
Yeah, but within, you know, so that was one thing.
But the big thing was the record breaking.
Half time show, um, byone, um, Kendrick Lamar.
DJ Sir Daniel (24:37):
That wasn't, that wasn't record breaking.
He wasn't more popular than Usher.
That wasn't, nah, nah, nah,
Jay Ray (24:44):
According to the numbers, y'all, I, listen, I didn't make it up.
I, I've only looked at the reporting.
I don't know if all the reportingfrom reputable sources is wrong,
but apparently it was a recordbreaking half time display.
How, in addition, though, Sir Daniel,
It was culturally relevant.
(25:08):
That was the thing that I thinkfor me was most important.
My fear was, so here's my fear going in.
I'm like, they done booked KendrickLamar for this halftime show.
And he gonna have to notdo what needs to be done.
You know what I mean?
Because that is what They will require.
(25:30):
I was wrong.
So when the, when the, apparentlywhen the, I guess it was the owner
or the head of the NFL was like,Kendrick could do whatever he wants.
They literally let that mankind of do whatever he wants.
I'm like, Oh, you, youreally are doing this.
And thank you for putting blackculture, black men together on that
(25:52):
field to speak to our experience.
So.
That's a thing that happened this week.
DJ Sir Daniel (25:58):
It sure did.
Let's see.
Sunday was what?
Five?
No.
Let's math.
Sunday,
Jay Ray (26:06):
Sunday was a four day.
Oh, yeah
about four days ago,
DJ Sir Daniel (26:08):
Four days ago.
People are still talkingabout it, Jay Ray.
Jay Ray (26:14):
That's when you know, you hit that's what you know
DJ Sir Daniel (26:16):
They are still talking and people, not only are
they still talking about it, butsome people are a little butt hurt
over the fact that it took place.
Their butt hurt, hurt overthe fact that it was Kendrick.
First of all.
First of all, they're salty becauseof course he did perform they
(26:38):
not like us, which is con is acontroversial song of the summer.
They are.
You know, they're salty just because,oh, they're salty because, what did
the young lady say from England?
When I, when I watch The HatTimes, I do not want to think.
I want to be entertained.
Jay Ray (26:57):
That's
DJ Sir Daniel (26:57):
want, I don't want to think.
I want to, and you know what?
Jay Ray (27:02):
for you
DJ Sir Daniel (27:02):
Good for you, but you're going to get,
you're going to get knowledge.
You're going to get
Jay Ray (27:06):
You're going to get this word, you're going to get better
knowledge, you're getting withthe people you need to get with.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:11):
And unfortunately, sis, that's what's going to happen.
Um, that's what happenedwith the Kendrick Lamar show.
Um, I think that, and I really, this willbe the only time you hear us talk about
it, cause we're not going to go on for.
Weeks talking about this thing
Jay Ray (27:27):
But you can invite us on to your, to other platforms.
If you want us to come on at WaxPoetic about, there's so much we
could talk about, invite us on.
We won't do that over here, but we'llcome over to your, your platform.
So if you want to have QueuePoints come over, let us know.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:41):
That's fair I'm not but I'm not arguing about who's the
biggest star between Kendrick and Drake
Jay Ray (27:45):
Oh, I'm not having that conversation.
DJ Sir Daniel (27:47):
we that's dead I'll leave that to those other
podcasts and But what was I saying?
It's just The idea so yes, so the younglady was saying she doesn't want to think
we just want to you know Have a goodshow and then there's this argument about
Whether or not that was the worst, um,Super Bowl halftime performance ever.
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And that's being said bypeople on the right wing.
Of course, you know, Fox and Friends,they're gonna say that because,
well, you know, um, there were alot of, it was, it was culturally
aware, and they can't stand when wedo things that are culturally aware.
And where we do things that are, well,you know, their favorite word woke,
(28:33):
they can't stand anything that's woke.
And I had to, I had to sit back andthink about, we see a cleansing already.
This administration isalready doing a cleansing.
of anything cultural or anythingthat would cause you to think or
have any kind of critical thinkingskills, another scary word.
(28:57):
There's a, they're being,they're being cleansed out.
You see the KennedyCenter is, um, purging.
People are leaving.
Issa Rae is leaving.
Um, somebody else, um, publicly said that
Jay Ray (29:07):
Rhimes, step down.
DJ Sir Daniel (29:09):
yes.
So, we're seeing things, we'reseeing that people, there's
gonna be a, a a very Stark line.
This is not an this isnot an invisible line.
This is not a scrimmage line SeeI gave y'all a football term.
This is not a scrimmage.
This is not imaginary a real line is beingdrawn Between people, between people that
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want to exchange ideas and uphold history,teach history, exchange knowledge.
And then there's the other half that wantsto just completely control narratives,
control information, and control thoughts.
And so I think what This performancedid on a grander scheme is it exposed
(29:57):
and made that line very, very visible.
And it just is like a starting pointof more foolishness to come with
the administration that we have inoffice now and just the world and just
the world in general, like they'rethinkers and they're non thinkers.
Jay Ray (30:15):
Listen, Toni Morrison, um, there's the great, uh, Toni
Morrison in 1975 did this talk at,I think, Portland State, I believe
is where that talk took place.
It gets sampled all the time.
People are always pullingfrom that, that conversation.
But one of the things she talked aboutwas how when people When racism, when
(30:40):
people want to take control, theystart erasing your culture, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (30:44):
Yes.
Jay Ray (30:45):
Can't let you have it, because what, when you start being
able to think, when you start beingable to see, it creates imagination,
DJ Sir Daniel (30:51):
have pride.
Jay Ray (30:52):
You have pride, and you suddenly, all of a sudden, you don't want to
do what they want you to do, right?
So, I think we'redefinitely at that point.
It is not surprising that what we'reseeing happen, in particular with
the Kennedy Center, is happening.
(31:13):
Um, what I think we must do, and whatKendrick was, to your point, really
making sure that we know that wehave to do, is we have to do this.
We gotta come here and doQueue Points every week.
DJ Sir Daniel (31:30):
Yes.
Jay Ray (31:31):
We have to.
This is our work.
We can't let this history gountold because it will be erased.
We are the people that hold the history.
If we don't talk about it, the peoplethat hold the history will pass on and
it will be, where is it going to be?
DJ Sir Daniel (31:50):
It's a battle between culture and corporation.
And it just so happens that I sawa clip today that spoke to this
conversation that we're havingnow and It comes from somebody
that I admired so much growing up.
And even though, you know, he's hada few hiccups in, in his career too.
(32:13):
And some things that we chose notto speak about or that are, have
not been spoken about, but KRS One.
Um, was on with, what's my
Jay Ray (32:26):
Be real.
DJ Sir Daniel (32:26):
Be Real from Cypress Hill and told me, gave an
anecdote of a, uh, something thathappened that speaks volumes to
what we were talking about tonight.
And we just want to run this clip for youbecause I think it drives the point home.
Jay Ray (32:40):
I agree.
So y'all, this point, thisclip is long, but it's perfect.
And it's Chris.
So just check it out.
And we, you know what I mean?
And we gonna, uh, comeback and talk about it.
(37:36):
Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (37:39):
That, I, there's no way, no other, there was a better way that that
could have capsulized Everything that isgoing on today, whether it's Kendrick's
performance, whether it's the battlebetween him and Drake, whether it's, um,
whether or not we have black history ornot, or can we, we can say it out loud,
(38:03):
there is a war on culture right now.
Corporations.
are making it known that theyare here to take over everything,
but choices have to be made.
Choices have to be made, likeintention, moving with intention
(38:23):
has to be done in order for peopleto, in order for culture to survive.
And that's the bottom line.
It's like.
We're going to see, we're goingto see people, we're going to
see who's real and who's not.
We're going to see who's forthe culture and who's not.
We're going to see people that will, youknow, a term that's going to come back up
(38:46):
is what we used to say back in the day.
People are going, you're going tosee who's a sellout and who's not.
It's going to be so apparent.
And the people that lead with money.
And seeing how much moneythey have or flashing money.
We can pretty much surmise thatthose are the ones that aren't
on the side of corporate andcorporations and not the culture.
Jay Ray (39:10):
Yeah.
And the thing about this is, in, in, infull transparency, and I'm sure Sir Daniel
will be cool with me just talking aboutthis, like, internal to CuePoints, we've
been having this conversation, right?
Deciding where, where the line is, right?
And when we, we literally just liketwo weeks ago said, we can't do that.
(39:36):
It was, and that was what?
Like 5, 000?
5, 000. We need that 5, 000.
Let's be
very clear.
Should we monetize here?
We need this right.
To be able to keep doingwhat it is that we do.
This is not a cheap thing to do.
Right.
But it was like, and it was user day.
(39:56):
It was like, yeah, but we can't.
And you were like, you're right.
We can't.
We cannot, we gotta, wegotta make these choices.
Right.
And so it you're absolutely right, sir.Daniel, like it is going to become really,
really apparent and y'all big and small.
(40:19):
We have to decide who we are,like, who, what we, what we going
to do and what we not going to do.
And we going to stand on what we,we going to stand on who we are.
DJ Sir Daniel (40:29):
So perfect place to bring this up and I hope we don't
get stung too, too bad by the beehivebecause the beehive is buzzing.
Um, is Are we seeing the Cowboy Carterconcert series, the Chitlin Circuit tour
Jay Ray (40:45):
Stop it!
DJ Sir Daniel (40:47):
No, that's what it's called, the Chitlin
Jay Ray (40:48):
Oh, is that what it's
called?
DJ Sir Daniel (40:50):
hmm.
Which I adore.
I like the fact that it's called theChitlin Circuit because it pays homage.
But people are complainingabout the prices.
And, you know, again, this is a business.
Um.
There's a lot, and now we probably couldhave a whole discussion about this alone,
but it's, it falls in line with whatwe're talking about, is, we know people
(41:13):
are in the business to make money, butshould Is it, is it, are these prices tone
deaf, you know, eggs or concert tickets,
Jay Ray (41:27):
That's literally the choices we have to make nowadays.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:30):
have to make
Jay Ray (41:31):
choices we have to make.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:32):
and not saying that, um, the artist is responsible
for making those ticket prices.
I don't, I don't know.
Uh, I'm, I'm very curious ifanybody has any insight to how
ticket prices are calculated.
We would love to hear about it.
Jay Ray (41:49):
It's, it's a combination.
DJ Sir Daniel (41:51):
Okay, so it is
Jay Ray (41:52):
it's, it's it's definitely a combination.
Because, it, it, it, it, it.
The, the, the, the team,
DJ Sir Daniel (41:59):
Uh huh.
Jay Ray (42:00):
if you are working at that level, there are people who work for
you who do all of that stuff, right?
Um, I, I cannot imagine that she'sin like a conference room where
that conversation is happening.
It's more just people get paidto make those decisions, right?
Um, I think the co I think theconversation that we're having is twofold.
(42:26):
It's much like the conversationearlier is Sexyy Red.
Um, This is, I want people to experiencetheir joy, and I want people to
have the best experiences possible.
And you know what?
We know that that tour is going to bebeautiful and amazing and all the things.
I think the question is, tothat point of, is this the
(42:49):
time to do something like that?
Right?
Is this the time to do that?
There could be a wholelot of ways to tour.
There's a whole lot of ways totour right and and show up right
but We are in a moment right now,
(43:09):
and I ain't getting in nobody's pockets.
If you can, if you can afford itand go, if you can afford it and go.
But if you can't afford it,don't feel bad about not going.
DJ Sir Daniel (43:19):
Yeah.
Jay Ray (43:20):
And that's the thing I think we need to say to people is
it's like, it's not a ding on you.
You're not a Failure because you can't goto the, the Chitlin circuit tour, right?
That's not, uh, it's a rough time, right?
It's, it's not an easy momentthat we're in right now.
You
DJ Sir Daniel (43:39):
It doesn't, not being able to attend the concert does not
take away from your, your level ofdevotion and fanhood to this artist.
Like Jay Ray said, there are choicesthat have to be made and in this life,
in this life, you gotta make, you know,
Jay Ray (43:59):
to eat them eggs Oh,
DJ Sir Daniel (44:03):
a little bit more than, you know, um,
Jay Ray (44:06):
Hold'em.
DJ Sir Daniel (44:09):
the Saint Texas, Texas Hold'em.
It might sustain you just alittle bit more than that.
But I get it, we're nothere to yuck anybody's yum.
Jay Ray (44:17):
go in and laugh, child.
DJ Sir Daniel (44:19):
do what you, do what you need to do.
Find your joy, find your peace.
But, please don't gointo bankruptcy about it.
Please don't.
Jay Ray (44:30):
Please
DJ Sir Daniel (44:30):
Please don't.
We want you to be, be, besmart about what you're doing.
Handle your business.
But yeah, so enjoy that.
But you know, you can always, alwaysgo to your favorite streaming service
and you can look up, um, A classicSpike Lee movie by the name of School
Days, and you can watch that for free.
(44:52):
You can watch the Rayssing, I don't wanna be alone
Jay Ray (44:55):
You know, tonight,
yes!
DJ Sir Daniel (44:58):
You can be entertained in the comfort of your home and celebrate
the 37th anniversary of Spike Lee'sSchool Days right along with us.
37 years, Jay Ray.
Jay Ray (45:10):
Um, and 37 years, that film.
Um, so much of what we love aboutthe culture today was really kind of
birth inside of school days, right?
The in terms.
Yes, Baychella was literallybirth from school day.
(45:30):
So school days is in everything.
And not only that.
Um, there are so many prominentperformers that came out of that film.
Jasmine guy has often talked about waslike, that was a lot of our first movie.
Like, do we had not been in a moviebefore that we were like stage kids
(45:52):
and all of a sudden we're in a film.
So that movie.
is so groundbreaking.
We talked about it.
Um, during hip hop's 50th anniversary.
Um, we talked about the careerof Spike Lee and how important
Spike Lee has been to hip hop.
So definitely go back and checkout that, um, that, that show.
DJ Sir Daniel (46:11):
L. Jackson, that popped up in Kendrick Lamar's,
um, halftime performance, has awonderful performance in school days.
A lot of your faves, like J. Rae said.
Started off in, um, school days or ina sparkly joint, but also remember Jay
Ray, one of the underlying stories,one of the backstories of school days
(46:32):
was there was a storyline about, um,about the school, uh, what's the term?
Um, because apartheid was a big story
Jay Ray (46:42):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (46:42):
87 88.
Um, and so the school was benefiting fromcorporations that um, supported apartheid.
And Lawrence Fishburne'scharacter divesting
Jay Ray (46:55):
Divesting.
Mm
DJ Sir Daniel (46:57):
so that the school could divest from those backers so
that they would not support apartheid.
And that's 37 years ago.
Jay Ray (47:05):
here we are.
DJ Sir Daniel (47:07):
issues are coming, are being brought up again in the, in,
in, in school days is happening today.
So it's like art.
That's the thing about good art,
Jay Ray (47:18):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (47:18):
old it gets, it still speaks to whatever's happening right now.
And shout out to visit the chat.
Sam Jackson, um, played one of theJay Ray Curl brothers at the KFC that
was mad about them educated brotherscoming up in their neighborhood
talking all proper and stuff.
And he was wearing the Jay RayCurl cap in, um, school days.
Jay Ray (47:39):
Samuel L. Jackson is literally My God, he's been in everything
DJ Sir Daniel (47:46):
a walking history book.
Jay Ray (47:48):
he is
DJ Sir Daniel (47:49):
He is a walking history
Jay Ray (47:51):
now he's been Uncle Sam
DJ Sir Daniel (47:53):
And now he's been Uncle Sam.
And, um, apparently, apparentlysome people were saying
that you shouldn't call him.
No, he was being Uncle Tom.
He was playing Uncle Tom and then Isaw something about we shouldn't use
the term Uncle Tom, we should use theterm Sambo when regarding to a black
person that's less than honorable.
(48:13):
That's a whole
Jay Ray (48:14):
That's a whole nother conversation Lord Jesus, um, but yes 37
years of school days Um, so yeah, go watchschool if you want to, if you want to
get a, you know, a little entertainment,go ahead and watch school days.
You know, it's, it's part drama,part musical, you know, all black.
It's Black History Month.
You should just go ahead and watch it.
DJ Sir Daniel (48:36):
Good or bad hair?
See if I care.
Jay Ray (48:40):
So, um, Sir Daniel, of course, tomorrow is a day.
Um, it is Valentine's Day tomorrow, SirDaniel, um, and which is so interesting.
It's been so much going on.
It's crazy that it's Valentine's Day, butone of the things that of course happens
(49:01):
on Valentine's Day is people, and SirDaniel, you used to have a whole set where
you just did your slow jam set, whichwas, of course, was mostly full of love
songs, but this brings up a question.
Um, what?
are your favorite, and it don'thave to be more than one, but do
you have favorite hip hop love song?
DJ Sir Daniel (49:19):
Yes.
Um, I think I'll go, I feel,believe this is the first hip hop
Of course, LL Cool J's I Need Love.
Jay Ray (49:30):
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (49:31):
Um, right after that for me is, Oh, A Teenage Love
Jay Ray (49:36):
Teenage Love by Slick Rick is great.
DJ Sir Daniel (49:38):
Don't hurt me again.
That's hot.
Don't hurt me again.
And um, Bonita Applebaum.
Jay Ray (49:45):
Bonita Applebaum is a great, great song.
It's so sweet.
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, um, what are favorite,uh, uh, hip hop love songs?
Of course, for me, Silent Treatment byThe Roots is absolutely, I think, one of
the most gorgeous, um, slow jams, period.
(50:06):
Um, I think One Love by Houdini.
DJ Sir Daniel (50:10):
Yes.
Jay Ray (50:11):
Love by Houdini definitely does a thing.
Um, You only get one.
One love.
One love.
Alright, I'm not gonnado, I'm not gonna do that.
Um, what else?
Uh, Did I pick another Roots song?
I can't pick another.
DJ Sir Daniel (50:28):
do you think?
What about, um, Common?
Jay Ray (50:31):
Which one?
Uh, uh, The comment has so many.
But you know what?
If I was gonna pick a common Love song.
I do love Love of MyLife with Erykah Badu.
I think that's a great song.
Um, but there's also I'm gonnapick You Got Me, actually.
So, I got two root
DJ Sir Daniel (50:51):
Dope.
Dope.
Dope.
Jay Ray (50:52):
I'm gonna pick You Got Me.
There are some We don't give
We don't give rappers enough credit.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:01):
Yes, I agree.
Jay Ray (51:04):
Oh, the light.
Yes.
Um, the light by, uh, uh, Common.
Um, you consider poor Georgia,wait a minute, this is like, you
consider poor Georgia a love song?
DJ Sir Daniel (51:16):
You know MC light MC light it had quite a few
soliloquies about love gone wrong
Jay Ray (51:25):
She did
she did,
she did,
DJ Sir Daniel (51:27):
she was dating crackheads in high school and
Jay Ray (51:30):
Uh, folks who are using alcohol, alcohol.
Yeah.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:34):
Drug dealers all of them just had a lot
Jay Ray (51:38):
sidebar, we talked, wasn't in our last meeting that we talked about
the fact that MC light storytellingis just my, like some of my favorite.
Cappuccino is just one ofmy favorite stories to hear.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:49):
amazing.
She's, uh, she's right
Jay Ray (51:52):
in and I ordered a cup.
Some guy behind the back said, shut up.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:56):
And I did.
Pronto.
Jay Ray (51:58):
Quick, fast.
DJ Sir Daniel (51:59):
there with Slick Rick.
Like, she's, her narration is suchan important part of rap music.
And shout out to those peoplethat can entertain you and
spin a tale at the same time.
That takes a certain amount of skill.
So shout out to MC Lyte for that.
Um.
You know, shout out to SamGeorgie and all the and
Jay Ray (52:21):
Roughneck is a love song.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:23):
and roughneck.
Yes, indeed
Jay Ray (52:25):
It's a tacky love song.
And you listen toRoughneck now and I'm like,
DJ Sir Daniel (52:29):
Got to get a what?
Jay Ray (52:30):
this young man needs other, has other problems.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:35):
Okay, the last point of this, the last part
of this tangent that we're on.
So, people have caught on to thefact that MC Lyte, um, made a song
about messing around with a 17 yearold or a young man that turned About
Jay Ray (52:49):
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
DJ Sir Daniel (52:54):
listen back to that But I saw a video somebody one of these young
people found it and they were like, uh,Excuse me MC light you were talking about
Essaying somebody that's under 17 But yes,that's, that's a story for another day.
That's a story for another day.
Go ahead.
Jay Ray (53:13):
How Do I Love Thee by Queen Latifah.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:15):
Dope.
Yes, indeed.
Jay Ray (53:16):
do I love thee by Queen Latifah, which people do not
give that song enough credit.
You know, it's a hip house joint.
She's just kind of talking over it.
You know, it's very sensual.
She made a video for that song.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:29):
I love that one as well.
And yes, shout out to Viz again.
Mahogany by Rakim.
Also a dope.
A dope.
Oh, to the opposite sex.
Which a lot of rappersare, do very well about.
So listen, JRE, let's wrap it up realquick, cause I know we gotta let the
people go back to what they were doing,
Jay Ray (53:48):
Yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (53:48):
we gotta thank everybody for tuning in.
Jay Ray (53:50):
Absolutely, y'all.
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(54:11):
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We love y'all.
DJ Sir Daniel (54:25):
We sure do, and what do I always say in this life, you have
a choice, you can either pick up theneedle, or you can let the record play.
Peace to the lie!
Respect to the lie,
Jay Ray (54:35):
Okay.
We.
DJ Sir Daniel (54:37):
to her lie, this
Jay Ray (54:38):
We are not leaving until we talk about y'all.
Okay.
Real quick.
DJ Sir Daniel (54:45):
That girl is a star.
Shout Onijah.
Onijah is back home inthese United States.
She's already booked.
already so that's peaceto the lie, respect to the
lie, and respect to her lie.
Jay Ray (54:58):
She's amazing, y'all.
Like, I'm like, that womanis not well, but I love her.
DJ Sir Daniel (55:03):
She is not well at all but yes indeed.
Thank you for joining us forthis episode of Queue Points.
We'll see you on the next go round.
Peace to the
Jay Ray (55:13):
Peace.
My God, let it go.
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