January 7, 2025 • 35 mins
Step into the time capsule with DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray as Queue Points rewinds to the dawn of the millennium! From the global Y2K panic to the futuristic vibes that shaped music, fashion, and pop culture, this episode explores the fears, fun, and moments that defined the year 2000. Relive the hype of iconic hits, flashy music videos, and trendsetting TV shows like 106 & Park, and reflect on how Black culture embraced the sci-fi aesthetic of the new millennium. Packed with humor, sharp insights, and nostalgia, this episode is a celebration of resilience, creativity, and cultural evolution. Whether you lived through Y2K or are hearing about it for the first time, Queue Points is here to drop the needle on Black music history and keep the conversation spinning.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro Theme
00:16 Welcome to Queue Points Podcast
00:40 Reflecting on the Year 2000
01:44 Y2K: The Global Panic
03:25 Breaking Down the Y2K Bug
08:00 The Cultural Impact of Y2K
12:29 Hip Hop and the Millennium
23:35 The Legacy of 106 & Park
27:46 Fashion Trends of the 2000s
33:43 Conclusion and Farewell
34:58 Closing Theme
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DJ Sir Daniel (00:17):
Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points Podcast.
I am DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (00:22):
and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie
Ray Kornegay, the third Sir Daniel.
This was a moment in time thatyou literally had to be alive.
You have to be
DJ Sir Daniel (00:36):
there.
You had to be there.
It is exactly.
We're now in 2025.
It is exactly 25 years from theyear 2000 . We are, we we're
at, at the quarter mark, right?
Yeah.
25 years into the new millennium.
Mm-hmm . And likJay Rayaysaid, you had to be there.
(00:58):
There was just so much going on in 1999leading up to, to this remarkable change.
As a matter of fact.
The year 2000 was such a big deal thatA24 Films is releasing a disaster comedy
called Y2K and we are officially at theage where movies JRE are being made about
(01:22):
an era that we experienced firsthand.
Can you believe it?
Jay Ray (01:27):
You know what?
I am grateful that I am here andwe are here to experience it.
So can I believe it?
Sure, because I'm here and this is greatand we can have this fun conversation
to talk about this moment in time.
Now.
I'm curious for you, Sir Daniel.
So did this turn of the century,cause it was a big deal.
(01:49):
Were you excited or were you like anxious?
Like what was your, what was your mood?
DJ Sir Daniel (01:56):
I was a little bit of both more so because I was, um, in a, I was
in a, in a, in a state of transition.
Like, uh, how old was I?
99.
What was it?
I can't even remember.
Well, clearly I had to.
I was 22.
So you're probably like 24.
(02:17):
So 24, 25 actually.
Okay.
So I'm 25.
No, you're right.
24 going on 25.
And so I am trying to figure things out.
I think I'm about tograduate from Clark Atlanta.
Um, But I still don't, I'mtrying to get into radio.
(02:39):
I'm trying to just tryingto figure things out.
And there's a lot of stuff that isnot happening the way that I thought
it would, which is, I believe apredicament that a lot of young people
in college or at that quarter markof their life start to experience.
Yep.
So.
You're just trying, you're like,okay, it's, it's a sense of
(03:02):
what is, what is we going to do?
What am I about to do?
And then on top of that, theworld is on high alert, right?
Because some, some people didn'tplan for the numbers changes
from 99 to go to double zeros.
Yes.
That just threw us intoa whole form of turmoil.
(03:25):
So J Jay Ray, there's a whole Y2Ktheory, a whole Y2K disaster theory
that we all live through, but I wantyou to break it down for the people that
weren't there and also just, you know,jarred the people, their memory of the
people that were there to experience it.
Jay Ray (03:43):
Yes.
So.
Cool.
It's interesting that we are aboutto have this conversation because I
think we're so far removed from itthat it seems like a weird thing that
happened, but it really was real.
So I want to start with thenumber that I think is important.
This is according to computer world.
(04:04):
They did an article, um.
This was a feature story in 2000, okay?
The estimated worldwide cost of fixingthe Y 2K bug, according to analysts,
Capgemini America said $858 billion.
(04:30):
Wow.
Garner Group said $600 billion.
International Data Groupsaid $300 billion, so.
The Y2K issue cost us in 2000smoney between 300 billion
and 858 billion to fix.
(04:53):
So let's explain what Y2K was reallyabout and why everybody was so stressed.
So what happened was in, in the early daysof computer coding, Everything was new.
It was like hip hop back in the day.
You know what I'm saying?
It was new.
People was like, we doing,we doing computer things in
(05:15):
the, in the, in the 1900s.
Right.
And 1960, 1967 is 67.
That's how we program 67.
That's what year it is.
You, we know, you know, Iknow that's 1967, right?
But here's the, here's the gag.
The gag is, Those people weren'tthinking like, well, what happens
(05:38):
when it gets to the year 2000, right?
So what was the big problem?
One of the big problems was the numberingsystem that was built into the coding
of the time was using like two digitUh, month, year, month, day, year.
The problem with that is, ofcourse, when you hit 2000,
(06:00):
everything resets to zero, zero.
That's a mess.
Y'all right.
Done.
Done.
I wish I had that sound effect.
DJ Sir Daniel (06:08):
Right?
Jay Ray (06:09):
So the fear was.
Oh, crap.
When things reset to zero zero,we're talking banking problems.
We're talking everything that couldpossibly be a problem will be a problem
because the system will revert to zero.
Like the dates will revert back to zero.
So what had to happen and this issecond nature to us now, you can look
(06:31):
at the clock on your on your computerand it will give you the four digit
year before all of these folks did allof this work around the Y2K bug fix.
That was not a thing.
And
DJ Sir Daniel (06:48):
so that that really that put us into a tizzy.
There were people on television.
Um, talking heads that were concernedabout airplanes falling out of the sky.
And everything was going to, was goingto be calamity on New Year's Eve.
December 31st, 1995 at midnight, I mean,there were literally guys, do you, I don't
(07:15):
know if y'all recall about the discussionsabout, you know, um, people were clearing
out water from the supermarkets andcanned goods and, you know, make sure
you stock up your, you know, stock upyour home with canned goods just in case,
you know, the, the, the, the bankingsystems go down because then you can't go.
grocery shopping, and then you can't, youknow, and, and then you can't get gas.
(07:39):
So then there might be, you know, theywanted you to go fill up your tank.
And it was just so much fear mongeringthat sent really sent people into
a tizzy and You know, I think, Ithink a lot of us, Jay Ray, I'm
going to, and I'll count myself.
I'm going to use an I statementand I'll count myself in this.
(08:00):
A lot of us were thinking when we got tothe year 2000, we were thinking, Oh, it's
going to be like the Jetsons up in here.
Jay Ray (08:06):
Literally like all of a sudden, like the cars are
just going to start levitating.
I'm not sure why they would do that.
That's what we thought.
But.
And I would say to that point, and SirDaniel, I don't know if this is true for
you, but it was definitely true for me.
It was easy when midnight hit toimmediately downplay all of the,
(08:27):
the stuff that happened, all ofthe, the fear mongering, right?
It was immediately, see, nothinghappens, but Nothing happened because
between 300 billion and 800 billionwas spent to fix the thing that
would have been disastrous for us.
(08:47):
So I think that's really importantfor people to understand is yeah.
We we downplayed it at the time becausewe was young and foolish but computer
people was like nah son They saved allof them programmers saved the world
DJ Sir Daniel (09:02):
They were in their laps clacking away On their
keyboards because the keyboardsback then made a lot of noise.
So that's what i'm saying Here's my
Jay Ray (09:10):
keyboard.
It's a clackety clack
DJ Sir Daniel (09:11):
clack.
There you go And then and therest of y'all know the rest of
y'all was at watch night serviceWith your hands up in the air.
Oh lord jesus, you knowpraying that that lord.
Peace Keep the planes in the sky mostheavenly father and if and if it is time
for us to go home Let us go home with you.
Amen but It was Hassan
Jay Ray (09:30):
clackety clack clacking on his keyboard somewhere over in India
DJ Sir Daniel (09:35):
Shout out to
Jay Ray (09:36):
Hassan shout out to Hassan
DJ Sir Daniel (09:38):
And Abibi and everybody that kept the lights From glitching
the the yellow red and green lightsfrom glitching and we were able to
get home after Because Jay Ray i'mnot gonna lie me and my friend angel.
We were at a reggae club And and therewas a moment where we were kind of like
Standing still like, is everything okay?
(09:59):
I don't know what wethought was going to happen.
Like there was going to be, uh, um,uh, earthquake or something, or the
ground was going to open up, butI do know what people were doing.
Jay Ray.
A lot of people were getting it on as
Jay Ray (10:11):
they should have been.
Why not?
Because you know what babies had to beborn at some point, the baby's got to come
here, you know, 1999 to two thousands.
They gave us some very important people.
DJ Sir Daniel (10:24):
Sure, a lot of these people are about to, a lot of these important
people are about to turn 25 this year.
And there, there's just, here,this is a short list of, um, of
entertainers, some rappers thatwere born in the year 2000, Jay Ray.
I Spice.
I don't remember ice spice.
(10:45):
That is shady.
Why are we doing it?
2025?
Why are we doing that to ice spice?
Because she's you know,she she's taking a hiatus.
I don't know where she's been butshe famously well she in 2024 she
infamously dropped an album by the name
Jay Ray (11:00):
Y2K.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:03):
Because Cleo Trapper
Jay Ray (11:04):
took her out.
Cleo Trapper was like, nah, sis.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:07):
You know what?
I forgot about it.
That's what that was.
That was a really bad look.
That was a really bad look for Ice Spice,but a really good look for Cleo Trapper.
Yep.
She was born on January 1st, 2000.
She's one of those kids that wasborn on the first day of Y2K.
So.
(11:27):
Yes, Ice Spice is on thatlist, um, Flo Millie,
Jay Ray (11:31):
shout out to Flo Millie, Flo Millie who I,
DJ Sir Daniel (11:33):
I dig a lot, she's really cool, um, a young man by the name of 2C,
Jay Ray (11:38):
I have no idea who that is, yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (11:39):
the young people know who that is, 2C, uh, we know who Halle
Jay Ray (11:42):
Bailey is, we do know who Halle Bailey is, whose name still
confuses me, I'm like, I don't, Iget where your parents were doing,
but it's Bailey, not Barry, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (11:51):
It's Bailey, Bailey, Halle Bailey.
And one Willow Smith wasborn in the year 2000.
Jay Ray (11:58):
That's a gem right there.
That Willow Smith is the giftthat keeps on giving because
her album in 2024 went off.
It
DJ Sir Daniel (12:06):
sure did.
And if in case for those of youwho are under a rock and don't
know who her mom and dad are.
Her mother, of course, is JadaSmith, Jada Pinkett Smith,
Jay Ray (12:16):
Jada Pinkett Smith,
DJ Sir Daniel (12:18):
and her daddy is Mr.,
Mr., uh, Will, Willennium himself,
Jay Ray (12:25):
the
DJ Sir Daniel (12:25):
Willennium, remember that?
The Willennium!
Jay Ray (12:27):
That was a whole album.
DJ Sir Daniel (12:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was Mr, um, it was Mr, uh, WillSmith himself, the Fresh Prince, who
the millennium is actually, uh, anotherindication of everybody's obsession with
the year 2000 and the new millennium.
Everything was about the millennium.
(12:49):
And when I tell you.
Hip hop specifically went gung ho aboutthe new millennium and the Y2K aesthetic
because a lot of albums were based on itand the video aesthetics and treatments
were about being in the year 2000.
Yeah,
Jay Ray (13:07):
yeah, yeah.
Like, so what I will say was dope aboutthat is we definitely went to the future.
Immediately.
So you think of, for example,TLC's fan mail, where you got, you
know, your first kind of, um, yougot some AI happening in fan mail.
(13:29):
Right.
And shout out to left eye, ofcourse, who really came up with that
concept, but they were in the future.
Um, of course, one.
Missy Elliott was always in the future.
It felt like, but shewas really in the future.
Um, during the Y2K era, BustaRhymes was in the future, right?
(13:49):
So hip hop was like, listen,let's lean into this.
We're going to go sci fi.
We're going to go to the future andwe're going to take our folks with us.
And that's what we did, sir.
Daniel, we started, uh, doing allof our futuristic millennium stuff.
DJ Sir Daniel (14:06):
And apparently in the future, there's a lot of.
Glitching in in the music videos.
There was a lot of You know, a lot ofglitching as Usher calls it, that's
his dance now is that he calls it theglitching, but you know what the, we
have to pay respect to somebody who, whoreally may had a lot of input on those,
(14:28):
um, the visual aspect of a lot of thoseartists that you just mentioned, because
Hype Williams was a very, very importantfigure in In what our imagination of what
the year 2000 and beyond would look like.
And here we are 25 years later, andthere's some, you know, um, virtual
(14:49):
meetings, you and I doing the show justlike this, um, virtually is part of that.
Um, it was part of thataesthetic, but I think.
If we want to talk about how Williamsand his magnum opus, we cannot
talk about 1999 going into theyear 2000 and not talk about belly.
Jay Ray (15:13):
Yes.
And, and, and specifically the classicopening of belly, I think is just.
Because honestly, I haven't watchedBelly since the early 2000s.
It's probably worse than I remember.
DJ Sir Daniel (15:31):
You're not off.
You're not far off.
It's not, it's not one of those.
You're not going to Belly for likedialogue and really good dramatic acting.
That's not what you're there for.
Jay Ray (15:46):
But that vision of.
The blue and walking down the hall and yougot a crew and black folks look, you know,
the black men looking blue at midnight,like moonlight, you don't have to say
that's also beautiful to like being ableto like imagine us in that way and like
(16:09):
glowing and being beautiful in our skin
DJ Sir Daniel (16:14):
and dimensions.
Let's not forget that.
Yes.
The whole fish Island that
Jay Ray (16:18):
gave.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:21):
It's a different kind of texture to the way things looked.
Yeah, movies.
Jay Ray (16:25):
Yeah, man.
Um, so yeah, belly is that belly wasdefinitely a moment and hype William.
So if y'all haven't seenbelly, maybe we should do it.
Maybe we should do awatch party for belly.
We might y'all wanty'all want us to do that.
Let us know.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:40):
Let us know, buy us a coffee, you see the little QR code
there in the corner, buy us a coffeeand let us know why you're sipping
it, should we do a watch party forBelly, it's, it's really superior.
Beautiful to look at.
Yeah.
I love it.
It's got some really funny scenes, butI think what the culmination of the
(17:05):
movie, it does happen on New Year's Eve.
Yeah.
1999 going into the new millennium,which I, let me tell you something.
People were ready to party As we shouldhave 31st 1999 And if y'all don't know
i've mentioned this before I was workingat hmv record store Um during this time
(17:27):
i've been working working there for threeyears And I can honestly tell you that
Maybe towards the the second quarter ofthe year A lot of people we started to see
this boost of people coming in You Askingfor Prince's 1999 album, whether it's CD,
(17:50):
whatever people were, do you have 1999?
And then as we got closer, like December.
Of 99, all the people were, theywere like, we've got, I've got to
have it because I got to drop thisin New Year's Eve, you know, 1999.
Yeah, man.
So it was like Prince, Prince was like,well, we know he was a genius, but was he
(18:12):
a genius with a, uh, what do they call it?
A crystal ball.
Yeah.
Jay Ray (18:18):
Listen, he, he named, uh, the three, he had a three disc set.
Call crystal ball.
He
DJ Sir Daniel (18:23):
sure did.
Jay Ray (18:24):
He did.
Um, and 1999, let me take a step back.
There is a weird thing aboutputting a year in a song.
So if you go back and listen to a tribecalled quest is midnight Marauders album.
Q tip does this whole bit,um, in the middle of, I can't
remember what song, but he says.
(18:44):
Extra P was large professor says,don't say the years right in the song,
so he couldn't say what year it was.
Right.
And that's kind of a sentiment, right?
You don't want to date the song.
However, Princess 1999was made in like 1982.
So Prince was in the future.
(19:05):
And it was so crazy because that isa jam you'll hear 1999 played on the
radio probably tomorrow Just turn onyour radio and classic r& b radio.
They're probably going to drop 1999because it is probably the the most
Recognizable song with a year in itstitle Ever made I don't know another
(19:26):
song that has a year as a titlethat is as well known as that song
DJ Sir Daniel (19:32):
Maybe the summer of 69 Maybe
Jay Ray (19:36):
I love that.
Shout out to Brian Adams.
Love that song.
You're right.
DJ Sir Daniel (19:40):
It does not hold as much weight as 1999 by Prince.
And you know, one of the reasons,another reason why I think it holds
so much weight or mythology with.
A lot of us is that for as old as longas I can remember, Jay Ray, I don't know
(20:00):
if you grew up with this, if you grew up,if you grew up with any kind of religion,
some Jesus, you have some Jesus, if youhad some Jesus in your life, you grew
up with any kind of religion, they werepounding the message of revelations.
Into our brains at a very earlystart because the world has been
coming to an end since it started
Jay Ray (20:21):
Like every 20 years some minister is making millions off
of the end of the year prophecy
DJ Sir Daniel (20:27):
exactly and you know prince Famously says in the, in the
lyrics, they, they say 2000 party over,
Jay Ray (20:38):
oops, out of time.
Honestly, it was, he was right.
Because if, if these people did, if,if Hassan and them didn't program it.
Hey, we would have been out of time.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:52):
That's it.
And so, yeah, I think really peoplereally thought that's part of the, the
vision, you know, that's why peoplewere, I'm pretty certain watch night
services was packed December 31st, 1999.
You probably, You could, youhad to get reservations to
get up in church at that time.
Jay Ray (21:11):
Can you see the red, the uh, the velvet rope at church?
DJ Sir Daniel (21:14):
Yes.
. Oh, absolutely.
There's somebody with a clipboard.
Uhhuh . Uhhuh.
. Okay.
I've got two . This isnot your regular usher.
I've got two front, but wewill need a credit card to
hold those two seats for you.
Can you do that?
Right.
Just go ahead and, but
Jay Ray (21:31):
it,
DJ Sir Daniel (21:31):
but it was the
Jay Ray (21:32):
credit card with the,
DJ Sir Daniel (21:34):
yeah, because there was no swiping back then.
Right.
So it is like.
And here's your carbon, we'll keepthis copy, here's your carbon copy,
and yes, now, if you're not here Butif you're not here, but by, um, by
1130, your seats can be given away.
So just letting you know, no refunds,no refunds is going to be, and I know
(21:56):
that there's a church that I live downthe street from not too far from that's
very popular here in the metro Atlantaarea, um, for having those kinds of, um,
you know, um, celebrity, uh, celebrityesque rules and foolishness that goes
along with going up into that church.
(22:17):
But of course that waslong, long, long ago.
Those things don't exist anymore.
But yes, I, you know, yes, kids, that'sexactly why 1999 has such an effect.
Effect on us, I think, uh, you know,we had a lot of music wise, like
Jay Ray was saying earlier, youknow, music was the music videos
(22:39):
were having this more futuristiclook and we got to give it up to the
television shows that were being born.
And then new year because all these newmusic videos and different, um, visuals
Were like videos were a must Oh, yeah thistime So there were some new platforms that
(23:05):
came about specifically In the year 2000.
Jay Ray (23:08):
Yeah, so and as we talk about these shows, I
think it's really important.
Um, the late 80s ushered in, um,sorry, the late 90s ushered in,
um, the new era of the pop star.
So this is when your, yourboy bands are emerging.
You have your backstreetboys is your Samantha.
(23:28):
Shout out to Samantha Moomba.
You got a Samantha Moomba.
You got it right.
You have Britney Spears,et cetera, et cetera.
So you see these shows emerging, butspecifically, um, in 2000, we have
one Oh six in park, which is BET.
Basically BET was like,we need a TRL over here.
One Oh six.
Tell me what
DJ Sir Daniel (23:48):
TRL stood for.
Jay Ray (23:50):
Total requests live.
And I don't know why they called theshow that because it was a countdown
show for my, wasn't it a countdown show?
DJ Sir Daniel (23:59):
It was a countdown show, but they also had like a futuristic
aspect to it where you can hop onlineand you can go to the MTV website and
you can make your requests on live.
And if they, And they, you just seethem pop up from time to time, like
such and such in Nebraska wants tosee, you know, Old Town, uh, whatever
song they were popular for back then.
(24:20):
And, you know, so there was that, thataspect of the virtual, um, computerized
way of asking for songs instead ofcalling up to a radio station or
to a video show for your requests.
Now the computer and theinternet is involved.
Jay Ray (24:35):
See, I had no, I, I didn't watch.
So I had grown, I was older, I wasan adult, you know what I'm saying?
So I didn't watch TRL.
Unless it was somebody going to be onTRL that I really wanted to see but
we of course on BET got 106 and ParkSo shout out to AJ and free Legend
DJ Sir Daniel (24:53):
free.
Yes,
Jay Ray (24:54):
AJ and free were legends and everybody came through 106 and Park It
was kind of a it was kind of a moment intime and then um Lou Pearlman actually,
this is the first season of making theband It came in 2000, and the first
season of Making the Band was focusedon Lou Perlman, who was responsible
(25:17):
for NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys.
And he went down in flames, he, rest inpeace Lou Perlman, but he did a lot of
real icky stuff throughout the years.
He was making a bandand I think he made Tel
DJ Sir Daniel (25:32):
Yeah, that was his band.
Yeah,
Jay Ray (25:33):
that was his band.
So yeah, that was, uh, thepremiere of Making the band, which
eventually got taken over by Diddy.
Um, but I'm taken
DJ Sir Daniel (25:41):
over by MTV,
Jay Ray (25:42):
by MTV and then Diddy became kind of the face of it, but it was Lou
Pearlman and, but that premiered in 2000.
DJ Sir Daniel (25:50):
How ironic.
Lou Pearlman and Didier.
Ugh.
Wow.
Yikes.
But yeah, so those were, I and I.
That literally, those showsreally changed the industry.
They did.
They literally changed theindustry and we, we definitely
(26:10):
have to talk about reality showsbased on making people pop stars.
Jay Ray (26:18):
We do have to get to that topic, yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (26:20):
Because Some of them were successful and some of them were
not so successful . So we did, we, sowe definitely got that coming into the
year 2000 and shout out to BET May,um, 1 0 6 and Park was off of 14 years.
Jay Ray, that's a, that's a,that's nothing to shake a stick at.
That's, that's a long time.
Jay Ray (26:42):
Yeah.
And 1 0 6 and parks survived.
The abrupt departure of their big of theirmain hosts They literally survived that
like that was a big deal because for itfor most other shows That would kill the
thing because aj and free were so closelyattached to the format but Making I'm
(27:04):
sorry, uh, one oh six and park survivedit and they were able to continue on we
got roxy and uh, Terrence jay and so yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (27:11):
we got bow wow Jay Ray Bow wow to his credit.
He when he calls himself.
Mr.
106 in part.
He's not being um, What's the word?
Um He's not being, um,hyperbolic, hyperbolic.
That's exactly where I was looking.
I like that.
He's not, no, he's not, he'snot capping young people.
(27:33):
He's, he's not capping.
He really was Mr.
106 in part.
Like he grew up on the show and thenended up being a host on the show.
So yes, um, you literallywatched Bow Wow grow up.
Um, and one of the things that, Youknow, we saw 106 and Park and TRLJay
Ray was a lot of fashions Jesus Christ,I know that fashion Is cyclical?
(27:59):
And a lot of things come back, buti'm not looking forward to those.
Um, 2000s fashions Jesus Christ.
There was some choicesthat were made back then.
Jay Ray (28:10):
We might have the same one.
That's awful.
Those big ass white tees thatlike went down to your knees.
DJ Sir Daniel (28:20):
Yes, the extra the two tall to
Jay Ray (28:22):
the two tall tees and then And then I'm gonna give a
runner up when Nelly and them St.
Lunatic showed up with like the, the,the, the, the tape under their eyes
combined with those super huge jerseys.
I was over my life.
No, that's not cute.
DJ Sir Daniel (28:45):
I, you know, I'm so glad you mentioned Nelly because something
just came to me that a lot of you.
And I'm going to includemyself in this was, um, was
guilty of this boys and girls.
I don't know if you can imagineit, but I had a lot of hair back
in the early two thousands somuch so that I had straight backs.
(29:08):
Yes.
And at the end of thosestraight backs were beads.
Yes.
So every time I turn myhead, you can hear cracking.
So that's, that's one offense.
That's one egregious offense thatI committed back in the 2000s.
But then Jay Ray on top of that.
I was rocking multicolored do rags, ofcourse, how could you, how could you not?
(29:31):
Because the do rag was apart of your ensemble, right?
Your do rag had to match your oversized,um, throwback Jersey and whatever.
Um, law, they weren't even shorts.
They were like short pants.
They were, they went down to your ankle.
And, um, not only did, and so notonly was the durag, the durag wasn't
(29:55):
always tied up like it was meant to be.
The durag was flared out underneath a bigass cap to make it look like you had, if
you didn't have, um, braids or straightbacks or, or locks, the durag was like.
Boy hair, because I saw a lot ofpeople flipping back to do right.
(30:19):
Y'all did it.
I was there.
I saw it.
I saw y'all do it.
Don't try to act like you didn't do it.
But yes, that to me, that's one of themore egregious fashion, um, choices
that we made back in the, the twothousands along with, um, a lot of
business casual wear in the club.
And.
Jay Ray (30:40):
Yeah, I thought I thought so.
I literally was just um, I went down arabbit hole about this this thing because
um, I Remember, you know, I was going tothe club then you know what I'm saying?
Um, and One of the things that I haveforgotten about are the dress codes
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that they had the clubs didn't want thehippity hoppers coming into their club.
So you had to look like you had somegood sense in order to go to the club
and it was like, Oh, that's why wewas wearing business casual because
the clubs, we have to remember y'allhip hop wasn't the culture yet.
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Now hip hop is everything right?
So everybody is trying to look like arapper back then you were trying to look
like you were a nice safe business personor a student who wouldn't wreck your club.
DJ Sir Daniel (31:38):
Picture it.
The page boy hat cut to theside the oversized frames.
Yes.
Um, Jay Ray the vest the vestthe vest the vest over the button
down shirt and down shirt with thecollar open with the collar open.
But the best with the best waswas buttoned up and your shirt
(32:01):
underneath was flared out on it.
Oh my God.
It was so terrible looking.
It was.
So I was going to the
Jay Ray (32:07):
club we was going,
DJ Sir Daniel (32:09):
we were going to the club and I'm
Jay Ray (32:11):
chunky shoes because they weren't sneakers and you couldn't
do Tim's at a lot of places.
So you had to find a shoethat was sneaker like,
DJ Sir Daniel (32:19):
yes, like those sketches of those, um, hammer
Steve, Steve, Steve Madden's.
Yes,
Jay Ray (32:28):
Steve Madden.
DJ Sir Daniel (32:29):
Steve Madden, my God.
I do not look back.
The way I look back fondly on80s fashions, I do not look back
fondly on the year 2000 fashions.
I don't know how women were walkingaround because all the jeans
back then apparently, nothing,everything had to fit below your hip.
Yes.
So everybody had like, Like jeansthat went right above their crack.
(32:54):
And if you didn't have a flat stomach, youwere just, Oh, here's what the girls did.
If you didn't have a flatstomach, what they would do is.
They would have likethis, um, a tight camisole
Jay Ray (33:06):
Oh yeah.
That came down.
Yes.
That came down
DJ Sir Daniel (33:08):
to the, to, to their jeans to, to go over
their not so flat stomach uhhuh.
And then they would put on anothertight shirt above over the camisole.
It was a mess.
It was a mess.
You guys.
Um, yeah.
Thank, thank God for deliverance.
Oh, an evolution in fashion andthat you don't have to live through
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that anymore, but you can experienceit listening to Queue Points.
Jay Ray (33:34):
You can experience it listening to Queue Points and no
shade given what's going on in 2025.
We might be going back to that.
So y'all might be going back tobusiness casual in the clubs.
Just saying, but listen, y'all thankyou for tuning in as we refreshed
your memory for those who were thereand informed you about what it was
for those who weren't about Y2K.
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DJ Sir Daniel (34:30):
We absolutely do and as we always say at the end of the show
in this life, you have a choice Youcan either pick up the needle or you
can let the record play this becausethere are no numbers on the ends of
But I'm DJ so Daniel I'm Jay Ray y'alland this is Queue Points podcast dropping
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the needle on black music history Wewill see you on the next go round.
Peace.
Peace y'all
Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points Podcast.
I am DJ Sir Daniel,
Jay Ray (00:22):
and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie
Ray Kornegay, the third Sir Daniel.
This was a moment in time thatyou literally had to be alive.
You have to be
DJ Sir Daniel (00:36):
there.
You had to be there.
It is exactly.
We're now in 2025.
It is exactly 25 years from theyear 2000 . We are, we we're
at, at the quarter mark, right?
Yeah.
25 years into the new millennium.
Mm-hmm . And likJay Rayaysaid, you had to be there.
(00:58):
There was just so much going on in 1999leading up to, to this remarkable change.
As a matter of fact.
The year 2000 was such a big deal thatA24 Films is releasing a disaster comedy
called Y2K and we are officially at theage where movies JRE are being made about
(01:22):
an era that we experienced firsthand.
Can you believe it?
Jay Ray (01:27):
You know what?
I am grateful that I am here andwe are here to experience it.
So can I believe it?
Sure, because I'm here and this is greatand we can have this fun conversation
to talk about this moment in time.
Now.
I'm curious for you, Sir Daniel.
So did this turn of the century,cause it was a big deal.
(01:49):
Were you excited or were you like anxious?
Like what was your, what was your mood?
DJ Sir Daniel (01:56):
I was a little bit of both more so because I was, um, in a, I was
in a, in a, in a state of transition.
Like, uh, how old was I?
99.
What was it?
I can't even remember.
Well, clearly I had to.
I was 22.
So you're probably like 24.
(02:17):
So 24, 25 actually.
Okay.
So I'm 25.
No, you're right.
24 going on 25.
And so I am trying to figure things out.
I think I'm about tograduate from Clark Atlanta.
Um, But I still don't, I'mtrying to get into radio.
(02:39):
I'm trying to just tryingto figure things out.
And there's a lot of stuff that isnot happening the way that I thought
it would, which is, I believe apredicament that a lot of young people
in college or at that quarter markof their life start to experience.
Yep.
So.
You're just trying, you're like,okay, it's, it's a sense of
(03:02):
what is, what is we going to do?
What am I about to do?
And then on top of that, theworld is on high alert, right?
Because some, some people didn'tplan for the numbers changes
from 99 to go to double zeros.
Yes.
That just threw us intoa whole form of turmoil.
(03:25):
So J Jay Ray, there's a whole Y2Ktheory, a whole Y2K disaster theory
that we all live through, but I wantyou to break it down for the people that
weren't there and also just, you know,jarred the people, their memory of the
people that were there to experience it.
Jay Ray (03:43):
Yes.
So.
Cool.
It's interesting that we are aboutto have this conversation because I
think we're so far removed from itthat it seems like a weird thing that
happened, but it really was real.
So I want to start with thenumber that I think is important.
This is according to computer world.
(04:04):
They did an article, um.
This was a feature story in 2000, okay?
The estimated worldwide cost of fixingthe Y 2K bug, according to analysts,
Capgemini America said $858 billion.
(04:30):
Wow.
Garner Group said $600 billion.
International Data Groupsaid $300 billion, so.
The Y2K issue cost us in 2000smoney between 300 billion
and 858 billion to fix.
(04:53):
So let's explain what Y2K was reallyabout and why everybody was so stressed.
So what happened was in, in the early daysof computer coding, Everything was new.
It was like hip hop back in the day.
You know what I'm saying?
It was new.
People was like, we doing,we doing computer things in
(05:15):
the, in the, in the 1900s.
Right.
And 1960, 1967 is 67.
That's how we program 67.
That's what year it is.
You, we know, you know, Iknow that's 1967, right?
But here's the, here's the gag.
The gag is, Those people weren'tthinking like, well, what happens
(05:38):
when it gets to the year 2000, right?
So what was the big problem?
One of the big problems was the numberingsystem that was built into the coding
of the time was using like two digitUh, month, year, month, day, year.
The problem with that is, ofcourse, when you hit 2000,
(06:00):
everything resets to zero, zero.
That's a mess.
Y'all right.
Done.
Done.
I wish I had that sound effect.
DJ Sir Daniel (06:08):
Right?
Jay Ray (06:09):
So the fear was.
Oh, crap.
When things reset to zero zero,we're talking banking problems.
We're talking everything that couldpossibly be a problem will be a problem
because the system will revert to zero.
Like the dates will revert back to zero.
So what had to happen and this issecond nature to us now, you can look
(06:31):
at the clock on your on your computerand it will give you the four digit
year before all of these folks did allof this work around the Y2K bug fix.
That was not a thing.
And
DJ Sir Daniel (06:48):
so that that really that put us into a tizzy.
There were people on television.
Um, talking heads that were concernedabout airplanes falling out of the sky.
And everything was going to, was goingto be calamity on New Year's Eve.
December 31st, 1995 at midnight, I mean,there were literally guys, do you, I don't
(07:15):
know if y'all recall about the discussionsabout, you know, um, people were clearing
out water from the supermarkets andcanned goods and, you know, make sure
you stock up your, you know, stock upyour home with canned goods just in case,
you know, the, the, the, the bankingsystems go down because then you can't go.
grocery shopping, and then you can't, youknow, and, and then you can't get gas.
(07:39):
So then there might be, you know, theywanted you to go fill up your tank.
And it was just so much fear mongeringthat sent really sent people into
a tizzy and You know, I think, Ithink a lot of us, Jay Ray, I'm
going to, and I'll count myself.
I'm going to use an I statementand I'll count myself in this.
(08:00):
A lot of us were thinking when we got tothe year 2000, we were thinking, Oh, it's
going to be like the Jetsons up in here.
Jay Ray (08:06):
Literally like all of a sudden, like the cars are
just going to start levitating.
I'm not sure why they would do that.
That's what we thought.
But.
And I would say to that point, and SirDaniel, I don't know if this is true for
you, but it was definitely true for me.
It was easy when midnight hit toimmediately downplay all of the,
(08:27):
the stuff that happened, all ofthe, the fear mongering, right?
It was immediately, see, nothinghappens, but Nothing happened because
between 300 billion and 800 billionwas spent to fix the thing that
would have been disastrous for us.
(08:47):
So I think that's really importantfor people to understand is yeah.
We we downplayed it at the time becausewe was young and foolish but computer
people was like nah son They saved allof them programmers saved the world
DJ Sir Daniel (09:02):
They were in their laps clacking away On their
keyboards because the keyboardsback then made a lot of noise.
So that's what i'm saying Here's my
Jay Ray (09:10):
keyboard.
It's a clackety clack
DJ Sir Daniel (09:11):
clack.
There you go And then and therest of y'all know the rest of
y'all was at watch night serviceWith your hands up in the air.
Oh lord jesus, you knowpraying that that lord.
Peace Keep the planes in the sky mostheavenly father and if and if it is time
for us to go home Let us go home with you.
Amen but It was Hassan
Jay Ray (09:30):
clackety clack clacking on his keyboard somewhere over in India
DJ Sir Daniel (09:35):
Shout out to
Jay Ray (09:36):
Hassan shout out to Hassan
DJ Sir Daniel (09:38):
And Abibi and everybody that kept the lights From glitching
the the yellow red and green lightsfrom glitching and we were able to
get home after Because Jay Ray i'mnot gonna lie me and my friend angel.
We were at a reggae club And and therewas a moment where we were kind of like
Standing still like, is everything okay?
(09:59):
I don't know what wethought was going to happen.
Like there was going to be, uh, um,uh, earthquake or something, or the
ground was going to open up, butI do know what people were doing.
Jay Ray.
A lot of people were getting it on as
Jay Ray (10:11):
they should have been.
Why not?
Because you know what babies had to beborn at some point, the baby's got to come
here, you know, 1999 to two thousands.
They gave us some very important people.
DJ Sir Daniel (10:24):
Sure, a lot of these people are about to, a lot of these important
people are about to turn 25 this year.
And there, there's just, here,this is a short list of, um, of
entertainers, some rappers thatwere born in the year 2000, Jay Ray.
I Spice.
I don't remember ice spice.
(10:45):
That is shady.
Why are we doing it?
2025?
Why are we doing that to ice spice?
Because she's you know,she she's taking a hiatus.
I don't know where she's been butshe famously well she in 2024 she
infamously dropped an album by the name
Jay Ray (11:00):
Y2K.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:03):
Because Cleo Trapper
Jay Ray (11:04):
took her out.
Cleo Trapper was like, nah, sis.
DJ Sir Daniel (11:07):
You know what?
I forgot about it.
That's what that was.
That was a really bad look.
That was a really bad look for Ice Spice,but a really good look for Cleo Trapper.
Yep.
She was born on January 1st, 2000.
She's one of those kids that wasborn on the first day of Y2K.
So.
(11:27):
Yes, Ice Spice is on thatlist, um, Flo Millie,
Jay Ray (11:31):
shout out to Flo Millie, Flo Millie who I,
DJ Sir Daniel (11:33):
I dig a lot, she's really cool, um, a young man by the name of 2C,
Jay Ray (11:38):
I have no idea who that is, yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (11:39):
the young people know who that is, 2C, uh, we know who Halle
Jay Ray (11:42):
Bailey is, we do know who Halle Bailey is, whose name still
confuses me, I'm like, I don't, Iget where your parents were doing,
but it's Bailey, not Barry, right?
DJ Sir Daniel (11:51):
It's Bailey, Bailey, Halle Bailey.
And one Willow Smith wasborn in the year 2000.
Jay Ray (11:58):
That's a gem right there.
That Willow Smith is the giftthat keeps on giving because
her album in 2024 went off.
It
DJ Sir Daniel (12:06):
sure did.
And if in case for those of youwho are under a rock and don't
know who her mom and dad are.
Her mother, of course, is JadaSmith, Jada Pinkett Smith,
Jay Ray (12:16):
Jada Pinkett Smith,
DJ Sir Daniel (12:18):
and her daddy is Mr.,
Mr., uh, Will, Willennium himself,
Jay Ray (12:25):
the
DJ Sir Daniel (12:25):
Willennium, remember that?
The Willennium!
Jay Ray (12:27):
That was a whole album.
DJ Sir Daniel (12:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was Mr, um, it was Mr, uh, WillSmith himself, the Fresh Prince, who
the millennium is actually, uh, anotherindication of everybody's obsession with
the year 2000 and the new millennium.
Everything was about the millennium.
(12:49):
And when I tell you.
Hip hop specifically went gung ho aboutthe new millennium and the Y2K aesthetic
because a lot of albums were based on itand the video aesthetics and treatments
were about being in the year 2000.
Yeah,
Jay Ray (13:07):
yeah, yeah.
Like, so what I will say was dope aboutthat is we definitely went to the future.
Immediately.
So you think of, for example,TLC's fan mail, where you got, you
know, your first kind of, um, yougot some AI happening in fan mail.
(13:29):
Right.
And shout out to left eye, ofcourse, who really came up with that
concept, but they were in the future.
Um, of course, one.
Missy Elliott was always in the future.
It felt like, but shewas really in the future.
Um, during the Y2K era, BustaRhymes was in the future, right?
(13:49):
So hip hop was like, listen,let's lean into this.
We're going to go sci fi.
We're going to go to the future andwe're going to take our folks with us.
And that's what we did, sir.
Daniel, we started, uh, doing allof our futuristic millennium stuff.
DJ Sir Daniel (14:06):
And apparently in the future, there's a lot of.
Glitching in in the music videos.
There was a lot of You know, a lot ofglitching as Usher calls it, that's
his dance now is that he calls it theglitching, but you know what the, we
have to pay respect to somebody who, whoreally may had a lot of input on those,
(14:28):
um, the visual aspect of a lot of thoseartists that you just mentioned, because
Hype Williams was a very, very importantfigure in In what our imagination of what
the year 2000 and beyond would look like.
And here we are 25 years later, andthere's some, you know, um, virtual
(14:49):
meetings, you and I doing the show justlike this, um, virtually is part of that.
Um, it was part of thataesthetic, but I think.
If we want to talk about how Williamsand his magnum opus, we cannot
talk about 1999 going into theyear 2000 and not talk about belly.
Jay Ray (15:13):
Yes.
And, and, and specifically the classicopening of belly, I think is just.
Because honestly, I haven't watchedBelly since the early 2000s.
It's probably worse than I remember.
DJ Sir Daniel (15:31):
You're not off.
You're not far off.
It's not, it's not one of those.
You're not going to Belly for likedialogue and really good dramatic acting.
That's not what you're there for.
Jay Ray (15:46):
But that vision of.
The blue and walking down the hall and yougot a crew and black folks look, you know,
the black men looking blue at midnight,like moonlight, you don't have to say
that's also beautiful to like being ableto like imagine us in that way and like
(16:09):
glowing and being beautiful in our skin
DJ Sir Daniel (16:14):
and dimensions.
Let's not forget that.
Yes.
The whole fish Island that
Jay Ray (16:18):
gave.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:21):
It's a different kind of texture to the way things looked.
Yeah, movies.
Jay Ray (16:25):
Yeah, man.
Um, so yeah, belly is that belly wasdefinitely a moment and hype William.
So if y'all haven't seenbelly, maybe we should do it.
Maybe we should do awatch party for belly.
We might y'all wanty'all want us to do that.
Let us know.
DJ Sir Daniel (16:40):
Let us know, buy us a coffee, you see the little QR code
there in the corner, buy us a coffeeand let us know why you're sipping
it, should we do a watch party forBelly, it's, it's really superior.
Beautiful to look at.
Yeah.
I love it.
It's got some really funny scenes, butI think what the culmination of the
(17:05):
movie, it does happen on New Year's Eve.
Yeah.
1999 going into the new millennium,which I, let me tell you something.
People were ready to party As we shouldhave 31st 1999 And if y'all don't know
i've mentioned this before I was workingat hmv record store Um during this time
(17:27):
i've been working working there for threeyears And I can honestly tell you that
Maybe towards the the second quarter ofthe year A lot of people we started to see
this boost of people coming in You Askingfor Prince's 1999 album, whether it's CD,
(17:50):
whatever people were, do you have 1999?
And then as we got closer, like December.
Of 99, all the people were, theywere like, we've got, I've got to
have it because I got to drop thisin New Year's Eve, you know, 1999.
Yeah, man.
So it was like Prince, Prince was like,well, we know he was a genius, but was he
(18:12):
a genius with a, uh, what do they call it?
A crystal ball.
Yeah.
Jay Ray (18:18):
Listen, he, he named, uh, the three, he had a three disc set.
Call crystal ball.
He
DJ Sir Daniel (18:23):
sure did.
Jay Ray (18:24):
He did.
Um, and 1999, let me take a step back.
There is a weird thing aboutputting a year in a song.
So if you go back and listen to a tribecalled quest is midnight Marauders album.
Q tip does this whole bit,um, in the middle of, I can't
remember what song, but he says.
(18:44):
Extra P was large professor says,don't say the years right in the song,
so he couldn't say what year it was.
Right.
And that's kind of a sentiment, right?
You don't want to date the song.
However, Princess 1999was made in like 1982.
So Prince was in the future.
(19:05):
And it was so crazy because that isa jam you'll hear 1999 played on the
radio probably tomorrow Just turn onyour radio and classic r& b radio.
They're probably going to drop 1999because it is probably the the most
Recognizable song with a year in itstitle Ever made I don't know another
(19:26):
song that has a year as a titlethat is as well known as that song
DJ Sir Daniel (19:32):
Maybe the summer of 69 Maybe
Jay Ray (19:36):
I love that.
Shout out to Brian Adams.
Love that song.
You're right.
DJ Sir Daniel (19:40):
It does not hold as much weight as 1999 by Prince.
And you know, one of the reasons,another reason why I think it holds
so much weight or mythology with.
A lot of us is that for as old as longas I can remember, Jay Ray, I don't know
(20:00):
if you grew up with this, if you grew up,if you grew up with any kind of religion,
some Jesus, you have some Jesus, if youhad some Jesus in your life, you grew
up with any kind of religion, they werepounding the message of revelations.
Into our brains at a very earlystart because the world has been
coming to an end since it started
Jay Ray (20:21):
Like every 20 years some minister is making millions off
of the end of the year prophecy
DJ Sir Daniel (20:27):
exactly and you know prince Famously says in the, in the
lyrics, they, they say 2000 party over,
Jay Ray (20:38):
oops, out of time.
Honestly, it was, he was right.
Because if, if these people did, if,if Hassan and them didn't program it.
Hey, we would have been out of time.
DJ Sir Daniel (20:52):
That's it.
And so, yeah, I think really peoplereally thought that's part of the, the
vision, you know, that's why peoplewere, I'm pretty certain watch night
services was packed December 31st, 1999.
You probably, You could, youhad to get reservations to
get up in church at that time.
Jay Ray (21:11):
Can you see the red, the uh, the velvet rope at church?
DJ Sir Daniel (21:14):
Yes.
. Oh, absolutely.
There's somebody with a clipboard.
Uhhuh . Uhhuh.
. Okay.
I've got two . This isnot your regular usher.
I've got two front, but wewill need a credit card to
hold those two seats for you.
Can you do that?
Right.
Just go ahead and, but
Jay Ray (21:31):
it,
DJ Sir Daniel (21:31):
but it was the
Jay Ray (21:32):
credit card with the,
DJ Sir Daniel (21:34):
yeah, because there was no swiping back then.
Right.
So it is like.
And here's your carbon, we'll keepthis copy, here's your carbon copy,
and yes, now, if you're not here Butif you're not here, but by, um, by
1130, your seats can be given away.
So just letting you know, no refunds,no refunds is going to be, and I know
(21:56):
that there's a church that I live downthe street from not too far from that's
very popular here in the metro Atlantaarea, um, for having those kinds of, um,
you know, um, celebrity, uh, celebrityesque rules and foolishness that goes
along with going up into that church.
(22:17):
But of course that waslong, long, long ago.
Those things don't exist anymore.
But yes, I, you know, yes, kids, that'sexactly why 1999 has such an effect.
Effect on us, I think, uh, you know,we had a lot of music wise, like
Jay Ray was saying earlier, youknow, music was the music videos
(22:39):
were having this more futuristiclook and we got to give it up to the
television shows that were being born.
And then new year because all these newmusic videos and different, um, visuals
Were like videos were a must Oh, yeah thistime So there were some new platforms that
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came about specifically In the year 2000.
Jay Ray (23:08):
Yeah, so and as we talk about these shows, I
think it's really important.
Um, the late 80s ushered in, um,sorry, the late 90s ushered in,
um, the new era of the pop star.
So this is when your, yourboy bands are emerging.
You have your backstreetboys is your Samantha.
(23:28):
Shout out to Samantha Moomba.
You got a Samantha Moomba.
You got it right.
You have Britney Spears,et cetera, et cetera.
So you see these shows emerging, butspecifically, um, in 2000, we have
one Oh six in park, which is BET.
Basically BET was like,we need a TRL over here.
One Oh six.
Tell me what
DJ Sir Daniel (23:48):
TRL stood for.
Jay Ray (23:50):
Total requests live.
And I don't know why they called theshow that because it was a countdown
show for my, wasn't it a countdown show?
DJ Sir Daniel (23:59):
It was a countdown show, but they also had like a futuristic
aspect to it where you can hop onlineand you can go to the MTV website and
you can make your requests on live.
And if they, And they, you just seethem pop up from time to time, like
such and such in Nebraska wants tosee, you know, Old Town, uh, whatever
song they were popular for back then.
(24:20):
And, you know, so there was that, thataspect of the virtual, um, computerized
way of asking for songs instead ofcalling up to a radio station or
to a video show for your requests.
Now the computer and theinternet is involved.
Jay Ray (24:35):
See, I had no, I, I didn't watch.
So I had grown, I was older, I wasan adult, you know what I'm saying?
So I didn't watch TRL.
Unless it was somebody going to be onTRL that I really wanted to see but
we of course on BET got 106 and ParkSo shout out to AJ and free Legend
DJ Sir Daniel (24:53):
free.
Yes,
Jay Ray (24:54):
AJ and free were legends and everybody came through 106 and Park It
was kind of a it was kind of a moment intime and then um Lou Pearlman actually,
this is the first season of making theband It came in 2000, and the first
season of Making the Band was focusedon Lou Perlman, who was responsible
(25:17):
for NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys.
And he went down in flames, he, rest inpeace Lou Perlman, but he did a lot of
real icky stuff throughout the years.
He was making a bandand I think he made Tel
DJ Sir Daniel (25:32):
Yeah, that was his band.
Yeah,
Jay Ray (25:33):
that was his band.
So yeah, that was, uh, thepremiere of Making the band, which
eventually got taken over by Diddy.
Um, but I'm taken
DJ Sir Daniel (25:41):
over by MTV,
Jay Ray (25:42):
by MTV and then Diddy became kind of the face of it, but it was Lou
Pearlman and, but that premiered in 2000.
DJ Sir Daniel (25:50):
How ironic.
Lou Pearlman and Didier.
Ugh.
Wow.
Yikes.
But yeah, so those were, I and I.
That literally, those showsreally changed the industry.
They did.
They literally changed theindustry and we, we definitely
(26:10):
have to talk about reality showsbased on making people pop stars.
Jay Ray (26:18):
We do have to get to that topic, yes.
DJ Sir Daniel (26:20):
Because Some of them were successful and some of them were
not so successful . So we did, we, sowe definitely got that coming into the
year 2000 and shout out to BET May,um, 1 0 6 and Park was off of 14 years.
Jay Ray, that's a, that's a,that's nothing to shake a stick at.
That's, that's a long time.
Jay Ray (26:42):
Yeah.
And 1 0 6 and parks survived.
The abrupt departure of their big of theirmain hosts They literally survived that
like that was a big deal because for itfor most other shows That would kill the
thing because aj and free were so closelyattached to the format but Making I'm
(27:04):
sorry, uh, one oh six and park survivedit and they were able to continue on we
got roxy and uh, Terrence jay and so yeah,
DJ Sir Daniel (27:11):
we got bow wow Jay Ray Bow wow to his credit.
He when he calls himself.
Mr.
106 in part.
He's not being um, What's the word?
Um He's not being, um,hyperbolic, hyperbolic.
That's exactly where I was looking.
I like that.
He's not, no, he's not, he'snot capping young people.
(27:33):
He's, he's not capping.
He really was Mr.
106 in part.
Like he grew up on the show and thenended up being a host on the show.
So yes, um, you literallywatched Bow Wow grow up.
Um, and one of the things that, Youknow, we saw 106 and Park and TRLJay
Ray was a lot of fashions Jesus Christ,I know that fashion Is cyclical?
(27:59):
And a lot of things come back, buti'm not looking forward to those.
Um, 2000s fashions Jesus Christ.
There was some choicesthat were made back then.
Jay Ray (28:10):
We might have the same one.
That's awful.
Those big ass white tees thatlike went down to your knees.
DJ Sir Daniel (28:20):
Yes, the extra the two tall to
Jay Ray (28:22):
the two tall tees and then And then I'm gonna give a
runner up when Nelly and them St.
Lunatic showed up with like the, the,the, the, the tape under their eyes
combined with those super huge jerseys.
I was over my life.
No, that's not cute.
DJ Sir Daniel (28:45):
I, you know, I'm so glad you mentioned Nelly because something
just came to me that a lot of you.
And I'm going to includemyself in this was, um, was
guilty of this boys and girls.
I don't know if you can imagineit, but I had a lot of hair back
in the early two thousands somuch so that I had straight backs.
(29:08):
Yes.
And at the end of thosestraight backs were beads.
Yes.
So every time I turn myhead, you can hear cracking.
So that's, that's one offense.
That's one egregious offense thatI committed back in the 2000s.
But then Jay Ray on top of that.
I was rocking multicolored do rags, ofcourse, how could you, how could you not?
(29:31):
Because the do rag was apart of your ensemble, right?
Your do rag had to match your oversized,um, throwback Jersey and whatever.
Um, law, they weren't even shorts.
They were like short pants.
They were, they went down to your ankle.
And, um, not only did, and so notonly was the durag, the durag wasn't
(29:55):
always tied up like it was meant to be.
The durag was flared out underneath a bigass cap to make it look like you had, if
you didn't have, um, braids or straightbacks or, or locks, the durag was like.
Boy hair, because I saw a lot ofpeople flipping back to do right.
(30:19):
Y'all did it.
I was there.
I saw it.
I saw y'all do it.
Don't try to act like you didn't do it.
But yes, that to me, that's one of themore egregious fashion, um, choices
that we made back in the, the twothousands along with, um, a lot of
business casual wear in the club.
And.
Jay Ray (30:40):
Yeah, I thought I thought so.
I literally was just um, I went down arabbit hole about this this thing because
um, I Remember, you know, I was going tothe club then you know what I'm saying?
Um, and One of the things that I haveforgotten about are the dress codes
(31:01):
that they had the clubs didn't want thehippity hoppers coming into their club.
So you had to look like you had somegood sense in order to go to the club
and it was like, Oh, that's why wewas wearing business casual because
the clubs, we have to remember y'allhip hop wasn't the culture yet.
(31:22):
Now hip hop is everything right?
So everybody is trying to look like arapper back then you were trying to look
like you were a nice safe business personor a student who wouldn't wreck your club.
DJ Sir Daniel (31:38):
Picture it.
The page boy hat cut to theside the oversized frames.
Yes.
Um, Jay Ray the vest the vestthe vest the vest over the button
down shirt and down shirt with thecollar open with the collar open.
But the best with the best waswas buttoned up and your shirt
(32:01):
underneath was flared out on it.
Oh my God.
It was so terrible looking.
It was.
So I was going to the
Jay Ray (32:07):
club we was going,
DJ Sir Daniel (32:09):
we were going to the club and I'm
Jay Ray (32:11):
chunky shoes because they weren't sneakers and you couldn't
do Tim's at a lot of places.
So you had to find a shoethat was sneaker like,
DJ Sir Daniel (32:19):
yes, like those sketches of those, um, hammer
Steve, Steve, Steve Madden's.
Yes,
Jay Ray (32:28):
Steve Madden.
DJ Sir Daniel (32:29):
Steve Madden, my God.
I do not look back.
The way I look back fondly on80s fashions, I do not look back
fondly on the year 2000 fashions.
I don't know how women were walkingaround because all the jeans
back then apparently, nothing,everything had to fit below your hip.
Yes.
So everybody had like, Like jeansthat went right above their crack.
(32:54):
And if you didn't have a flat stomach, youwere just, Oh, here's what the girls did.
If you didn't have a flatstomach, what they would do is.
They would have likethis, um, a tight camisole
Jay Ray (33:06):
Oh yeah.
That came down.
Yes.
That came down
DJ Sir Daniel (33:08):
to the, to, to their jeans to, to go over
their not so flat stomach uhhuh.
And then they would put on anothertight shirt above over the camisole.
It was a mess.
It was a mess.
You guys.
Um, yeah.
Thank, thank God for deliverance.
Oh, an evolution in fashion andthat you don't have to live through
(33:30):
that anymore, but you can experienceit listening to Queue Points.
Jay Ray (33:34):
You can experience it listening to Queue Points and no
shade given what's going on in 2025.
We might be going back to that.
So y'all might be going back tobusiness casual in the clubs.
Just saying, but listen, y'all thankyou for tuning in as we refreshed
your memory for those who were thereand informed you about what it was
for those who weren't about Y2K.
(33:56):
If you like Queue Points andyou are seeing us and you are
listening to us, thank you so much.
We appreciate you.
We love you.
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(34:18):
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We appreciate y'all.
DJ Sir Daniel (34:30):
We absolutely do and as we always say at the end of the show
in this life, you have a choice Youcan either pick up the needle or you
can let the record play this becausethere are no numbers on the ends of
But I'm DJ so Daniel I'm Jay Ray y'alland this is Queue Points podcast dropping
(34:51):
the needle on black music history Wewill see you on the next go round.
Peace.
Peace y'all
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