October 15, 2025 • 30 mins
We celebrate Rocktober by chatting with Mikal, the composer of the Halloween classic!
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Who dares to enter the? House quitters never give up.
Go ahead. Reckoning for all of quitters,
Never give up. Check off Christopher.
Check off Jen Pastorini. Check off Lindsay.
Hello, Drew. The great Ed Wynn, ladies and
gentlemen. I love him so much.
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Because I said quitters never give up and he said that's all
they do. Hello, party people it is.
Quitters never give up. Let's get this.
Let's get some more 2 eyeballs. Oh my God.
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All right, all right, all right.We'll have more of that a little
later. We got a special guest here for
that. Let's say hello to McHale Britt.
Am I saying that right in Become?
That's right. Awesome.
That's. Correct.
That's correct. There we go.
How you doing? I'm.
Good. Thanks for thanks for reaching
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out. Thanks for reaching out.
That was such a surprise. Yeah, Edwin and I are listening
to 2014 cuz he. Feels good, doesn't?
It does a little, yeah. It does.
Sorry. Sometimes my player just keeps
going. I press pause and it says, Nah,
I want to play again. Let's see, we're covering 2014
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and this is the this is the day,the week that they premiered 2
eyeballs, Kevin being asked for some Halloween songs and you
sent it in and. Yeah, as we were like setting up
there, I just, I just went and searched my e-mail for two
eyeballs and I'm like, oh, I have the original e-mail that I
sent. Yeah, it was kind of a shot in
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the dark. Nice, nice.
And so this is a song you wrote when you were 10 on a.
Casio like a rough estimate, youknow, we can't have an exact
date, but yes. OK.
And and it was on a Casio keyboard.
That's right. Oh nice.
No, wait, you said the name was different.
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It was the Hotshot. Oh, the hot licks.
Hot licks. Yeah, hot licks, OK.
The hot Where's the bell? Yeah, I was thinking, yeah, the
Hot Licks was like this. It was like electric guitar but
didn't have strings on it. It just had buttons.
But yeah, the Hot Licks, you'd probably go on eBay and probably
find AI don't I don't know what maybe they're.
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Yeah, I want one now, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 2X hot licks, LIXX.
OK as so at 10 years old you didwhat most bands dream of doing,
getting a hit song on K rock. Well, I recorded it for like, my
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future self, right? Like I didn't know at age 10
that it was going to reap such rewards in the future.
I I mean every Halloween we playthat song and that is one of the
all time best Halloween songs wehave.
Yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah.
How did you think to preserve it, to record it?
Because a lot of 10 year olds mess around with the keyboard
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and you know, that's it. It was just in my Nate, I think
I used to record, I would recordlike my own radio shows on
cassette tapes, you know, And I was just into recording on
cassette tapes. And I guess I'm like the family
archivist. I mean, I have, I still have
tons of cassette tapes. I really love cassette tapes.
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And yeah, I've just had it over the years.
And it was kind of like an inside joke amongst like friends
or family, like most people knewto.
Eyeballs, Eyeballs. Eyeballs.
Eyeballs. You know, So yeah.
All right, all right. I have part of the show, October
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7th, 2014 that we're going to play.
Well, we'll go ahead and listen through it and if we need to
stop, let me know. I don't know if I'm ready for
this. OK.
One final song and then we're going to make a plea.
If you can make music, make us some Halloween classics.
We would like to have more musicto play because every year it
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gets down to Halloween Spooks and Green and most of our
audience love it and I hate it and we argue over it and we
don't have any other choices. Yep.
We don't have any other choices.This is my.
This one came in. This is my favorite.
This is McCall. Britt and McCall recorded this
song with a Casio keyboard when he was 10.
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And he's sending this to us now as an adult, right?
Yes, OK, he was 10 years old when he made the song 2
Eyeballs. And here it is.
I'm in, right? Is everybody in just the
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production value is a loner Awesome. 2 Eyeballs.
A lot of lyrics. Is that the Best Song you've
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ever heard? Yes, it is that when he was 10.
So e-mail us, get a hold of us if you can.
You can get a hold of us throughthe website.
Our e-mail addresses are on there.
You can tweet us links to songs or whatever.
But we would like, we would likemore classics, more songs,
perhaps like that one to go to Ithink 2 Eyeballs.
Is the one to beat for sure. That's right.
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There it is, the first time it was played.
That was pretty cool to hear, actually.
Yeah, that was cool. There was a bunch of other
songs. There was songs submitted by
bands that did, you know, full recordings and everything but
yours by far was the one that got away the the leader by far
and and he's going to clip that for a moment later.
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But, and let's see, we also haveOctober 7th when you actually
were on Kevin and Bean and talked about the song.
Hi, Mikael. How are you, Sir?
Hey, good morning, Kevin and Bean.
Good morning, Lisa Mang. Good morning.
Pleasure to have you. I feel like we're talking to a
real life rock star right now. This is great for us, but.
It's my life has changed overnight.
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Yeah, so the call, you were 10 and we're going to play some of
two eyeballs here in a moment for folks.
But you were 10 when you recorded it.
How old are you now, Sir? I'm 35 now.
OK, so he's a high. School teacher.
Now how about that? Oh.
Really. How about that?
So when you think back on that magic day when inspiration
struck and you laid down to eyeballs as a 10 year old, tell
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tell me about what you remember.Well, I was a big fan of
thriller. Michael Jackson's Thriller,
right? And I think I just thought I
wanted to make my own version like that.
Looks pretty easy, like a scary dance song.
And were you a, were you a musical kid?
I mean, was this unusual for youto to write and record songs?
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Before you answer that, can we just go back that that it's?
It seems pretty easy to write scary dance songs.
Well, when you're 10, Kevin, youdon't know.
When you're 10, anything is possible, all right.
All right, go ahead. This is like probably one of my
first songs, but yeah, I was always interested in music.
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I had a bunch of Casio keyboards.
I think I. Recorded.
This on this old, I think it wason this old guitar toy called
the Hot Licks. Oh, I don't remember.
That either. The hot licks and you have
stayed with music. I see that you have a website
now and you you're doing all sorts of creative stuff, right?
Yeah, I do a lot of. I messed around with a lot of
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creative stuff, yes. OK, All right.
Can we hear a little bit of two eyeballs and then we get we have
some more questions for McCall because this is the one that the
listeners love for Holloway. First of all, high quality.
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I'm. Going to be honest, I don't
understand a word you're saying.Yeah.
Why? Why are you so far away from the
mic, McCall? Well, I was just recording on
like a boom box. Uh huh.
This is just like a boom box. Put a cassette tape in press
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record and you know, I was 10 years old, so I was just, I
wasn't really thinking about much else except just the.
Performance. Look, we love it.
Don't get us wrong, we love it. Now, Kevin, before you, before
you hit it again, before it getsinto the big two eyeballs hook,
here's what we've missed so far.Who dares to enter the House of
horrors, right? It all started on a night just
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like tonight. I heard a Creek.
It came from the attic, so I went inside and I think that's
where we pick it. You had to know a decent amount
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about music to do that weird chord change, right?
That's sort of scary. Minor key thing.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know how I knew that.
If you remember, and I know we're going back 25 years now,
but what was so scary about two eyeballs?
Like don't most people have two eyeballs like 1 eyeball?
That's scary. Why is too scary?
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Well, because they're rolling around.
They're not inside a head. They're not.
They're just rolling around in the attic.
We didn't get. That are they?
Are they floating in? Air or are they on the on the
floor in the attic? I always envision them like on
the floor of rolling. Are they together?
They. Might roll.
Are they side by side or is it just mayhem?
No. They're they're side by.
Side do you? Think they're they're from the
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same person. Yeah, I think they are.
We're trying to get into his psyche when he was like what he
thought when he was. I grew up on the East Coast
where you had addicts. Do they have addicts here?
No, they don't have basements here.
They don't have either for the most.
Part Well, I had an attic as a child, and the attic was pretty
like a pretty terrifying place. That was all I've.
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Got all right, so he here's a Creek in the attic.
He went inside, he saw two eyeballs.
And now the story continues. We find out something about what
McCall 10 year old McCall saw onthe news.
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No, that's I got to tell you, that's my favorite part because
you give yourself an echo. It's. 2.
Eyeballs, eyeballs, eyeballs. What?
What did you do with this song? Did you play this for friends or
family or anybody after you madeit?
Yeah, some of my close friends and family definitely know this
song. And I just, I felt like I was
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just sitting on gold for 25 years.
Sure. Well, you were just waiting for
for this moment to get it on K Rock.
You were. Right, you were sitting on gold
and today's the payoff, my friend.
All. Right at Thanksgiving every
year, everybody would go come on, play it, plan those later,
but play it. Let's see, what could the dream
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be? Of I can't imagine something
maybe you saw on the news and then also saw in his attic.
I can still see Radiohead covering this by the way.
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They ended up what? At a face.
At a face. So the eyeballs rolled around,
and then they found a face that didn't have eyeballs.
Yeah, like they found the faith they're supposed to be a part
of. Oh, I.
See that was also in the attic. Right.
Like they rolled, I guess they probably rolled down the stairs
and out the attic and. Then.
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Falls. It rolls off the table and out
the door. Right.
And then somebody out there justhappened to not have eyes.
Well, no, like probably the evilcharacter that these eyes once
belonged to. I see come.
On Kevin, pay attention. It's clear.
It's clear as day. It's all.
Yeah, it is. It's turning around with.
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The keyboard. Not from the attic.
Not from the attic. It did come from the attic.
No, no. Go up there.
Did you go up again? Now this part I can't even
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understand myself. So you don't know what you said?
I don't know that's correct. That's it.
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But. I think that I said that my dog
went up and then and came down with no with.
No. Wow, that is.
Terrifying. What a troubled. 10 year old you
were. Seriously.
They're called. So I always pictured it was like
a zombie that was up in the attic, Right, Right.
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Yeah, maybe. I mean, the beautiful thing
about art is that it's open to interpretation, so everyone has
their own, you know, nightmarishvision, and maybe that's why the
song works so well. Exactly.
Art is what you make it. Exactly.
Yeah. And that's really creative for a
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10 year old to do. It is.
Thank you. And I like how Kevin was talking
crap about you not remembering what you were saying when you
were 10 when Kevin can't remember what he said last
break. But yeah, that felt pretty good
to hear. I was a little nervous to hear
what I sounded like 10 years ago.
I haven't listened to it since then.
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I always remembered a friend of mine.
My memory of it is a friend heard that and he was like, he
kind of made me feel like, bro, you missed an opportunity.
You blew your opportunity like you should be.
You should have been promoting your music.
I used to do music under this name Nasty Millionaire.
Oh, that's the SoundCloud that it's on.
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Oh, it is it? OK.
So that's there. Yeah, that's why I pulled the, I
pulled the recording the full song.
Oh, oh, oh, you got it from there.
OK, cool. Yeah.
And so I just my memory at the time was like my friends made
that comment to me. And then I kind of like ever
since then felt bad like, Oh, I had my one moment and I blew.
But listening to it now, I'm like, oh, that sounded, that was
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really fun. That sounded good.
You know, for me it was like, you know, we, I think I, I hope
most people can relate to this. Like do you sometimes have
moments in your life when everything just aligns right?
Almost like manifestation, like it all.
It's just clear. So I remember I would just
listen to Kevin and Bean on the way.
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I worked at Venice High School and I would commute like an hour
from the East Side LA over to the West side, and I would
listen to Kevin Bean. So I heard that they were
looking for the Halloween song. And then just in that moment, I
just knew I was like, oh, duh, obviously I'm going to send them
two eyeballs and it's going to like, it's going to blow their
minds. And it was just like a very
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clear moment, like, just like, Idon't like, I just knew or
something. And I, I, you know, I've had a
few couple other moments like that in life, but it's cool
when, you know, when everything just kind of the universe lines
up like that. It became, well, it's Kevin and
Bean history. I mean, every Halloween or when
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we're listening to the podcast or whatever, it's like, and it's
just everyone loves that song. And you were the only one.
There was no other song that somebody submitted that they
picked in addition to, you know what I mean?
You were the only one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really into creativity and art
and, and I think I, you know, pursued it from like an ego
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standpoint or like from a career.
And what I love about art and music is it doesn't, it can
exist even if, even if there's only 10 or 20 people in the
world that appreciate something or, you know, yeah, I don't
know, Like it's if you just keepcreating, whether you're 10
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years old, whether you're 80 years old, like make a song and
play it for one friend, you know?
Yeah. So.
But it's cool. It's like a little this this
part of my life is like a littletidbit, you know?
And they do like when they do like Ice Breakers.
And what's a fun fact about yourself?
Like this is 1. I can always pull out.
That is like, you know, a fun little random quirky moment from
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from the history of my life. That's.
Cool. Yeah, definitely.
I mean, yeah. And I, I get that making art for
at least one person, that's pretty much how this podcast
works. We get like 1 listener.
We're shooting for 20 people in the world one of these days.
Yeah, Oh. Let's keep going with the clip.
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There's about a minute left on it.
Eddie wanted to say something. Eddie.
Oh I was just curious, did you ever remake it or did anyone
else do a cover of it? I think it would be an awesome
song to redo. Somebody maybe too tangentially
to you, I somebody like from K rock lore, like a fan reached
out to me once to do a cover song.
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I don't know who. I don't remember who, what their
name was or who they were or andyou know, I think I listened to
it and it just, I mean, apologies to whoever the person,
you know, it didn't capture it to me.
I'm like, it's cool. It was, it was an honor, but it
didn't capture the magic. So I would love for it to be
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covered. No, I never, I never covered it
again. I mean, I don't know how to
create that. Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn,
damn. I don't know how to ever like
recreate that successfully so. Yeah.
And the the cluster cords in there, I don't even know how I
would begin to transcribe those.I feel like as a 10, I feel like
it, I was just pushing my, I wasjust taking my hand flat, just
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going like, I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know what I was doing orhow I was doing that.
But I don't, you know, I took piano lessons a little bit like
my aunt is a piano teacher, I think.
And I took she taught me how to play funky town.
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Great song, great song. And I took piano lessons from
her for like AI don't know, not very long.
And I'm I'm I'm not a very proficient piano player by any
means. I can just play a couple chords.
But yeah, I don't know if that was before or after this or
what, but. Yeah, but the hot licks just had
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buttons, so I imagined it was like 4 or five buttons or three
buttons and you press a few of them at a time.
As I'm, yeah, I mean, as I'm thinking about this, I don't
know, definitely the hot licks might now just be a rumor.
As I'm listening to it, I'm like, maybe that wasn't the hot
licks. OK.
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What? Breaking news.
We broke the case. It may have just been the Casio
keyboard. The hot licks may have I had
another song called ESP It's a sixth Sense, and it was a song
about ESP. Maybe that was the I mean, hot
licks was definitely a very coolretro instrument that I had.
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But now that I'm thinking about it, that song may not have been
that may have just been Casio keyboard because the hot licks
wouldn't have done those two chords.
The hot licks pressed buttons and it'd be like more of those
syncopated. No, no, no.
OK, we'll never know, you know? It's just you'll never capture
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that magic again. It's just not going to be.
Yeah, yeah. My daughter's singing along.
And it's cool, Like, I, my kid, my kids totally know about two
eyeballs. I mean, they'll go 2 eyeballs.
Eyeballs, eyeballs. Like it, it carries.
You know, our job is to pass thetorch, you know?
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Definitely. Yeah.
Future generations can know of two eyeballs all.
Right. Let me play a little bit more of
it. It's like about a more a minute
more would. You say, is this your Best Song?
I always have to say it's in like the top three.
Sure. OK, well, there's no shame in
that, man. I mean, seriously, no shame in
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that right there. I am so happy that you.
I mean, it's amazing to me because I am terrible at keeping
stuff. Like, I don't have any of the
stuff from when I was a kid, butthe fact that you still had this
tape from when you were 10 is awesome.
And you were still able to put your hands on it and send it to
us is so cool. McCall.
Yeah, I'm glad you guys liked it.
I've been listening to you guys for a while and I know I know
your taste. Yeah, yeah, that's the Best Song
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Ever to us. Well.
I'm not joking. What I tell you, the listeners
have been going crazy for wanting it as a ringtone and
they want they want to hear the whole song.
So with your permission, we'd like to, you know, post it, put
it up on SoundCloud or somethinglike that so people can hear it
and have it. Do you mind?
Yeah, definitely. I would love that.
I think it needs to be free and available to the public.
There you go, ladies and gentlemen.
The great recording artist McCall joins us here on the
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Kevin Mitchell. Thanks for the time, Sir.
Cool. Thank you.
Oh. Shoot, I hung up on.
Him. Sorry.
I apologize. Now he's made it.
Just like the greats Paul McCartney and Bono, you got hung
up on. I remember, so I was thinking
also when I did that interview, so I told you I was working at
Venice High School. So I remember arriving at, you
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know, the school day starts at, like, 8.
And I worked with kids with autism.
And I remember having to leave the classroom.
And I'm, like, standing on my standing in, like, the parking
lot of Venice High School doing this interview, telling the
teacher the classroom I got to go do this thing.
Like, you know, I just need like, 10 minutes.
Let me just, like, run out real quick.
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Yeah. That's really cool.
I mean, and to just be on K rock.
I, I played in bands like in the90s and stuff like that.
Always dreaming to be on K rock and and I miss my shot.
So what are you doing now McCall?
You still teaching? I'm a psychotherapist.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
So I Yeah, that that mean this song, it it feels like a
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lifetime ago because I hadn't since that time.
I went back to school, got my master's degree in social work,
had two kids and. Yeah.
And I have a private practice inBurbank where I'm a therapist.
I specialize in trauma. I do EMDR if anyone knows what
that is, it's a type of trauma therapy and you know, other I
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treat just general I'd work withadults, depression, anxiety,
couples therapy. So yeah, none of my none of my
patients know about this part ofmy.
I like when my yeah, when my, when my past comes back to haunt
me. But but not that I would mind.
I mean, I would be happy. It just probably wouldn't be
appropriate if I was like just before we start therapy, let me
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tell you something. You should be playing it in the
waiting room. It's.
Not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea.
I think he's, I think he's analyzing Edwin and most of us
right now just figuring to figure out what's wrong.
With it, Were you ever able to monetize this at all because it
was on K Rock and they made it aringtone?
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Did you put it on YouTube or anything?
No. Well, it is on SoundCloud.
I don't think there's a lot of money on that one.
Yeah, yeah. No money, no money from this
but. And he said to put it out there
for the world because everybody needs to enjoy it.
I'm more into that aspect of of the arts is if if money is made,
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it's a bonus to just the thrill of sharing with the world.
But yeah, I mean, I guess if I was more business savvy, I could
have should have turned this into more.
That was the thing. There was like there was like a
bit of regret that I had that I didn't.
But I don't know that's. Well, you don't really know.
I mean, that was a song you madeand all of a sudden Kevin and
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being played it. Yeah.
So, you know, I could see where you wouldn't really know, you
know, what's going on and how tothe next step.
You did have fun though, and that's the important.
Thing yeah, I think that's what's important.
And then someone asked me earlier before we started
recording if I still do music. And so I do I haven't done any
recently just because I'm my I'mI'm busy working as a therapist
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and I have kids and all this stuff, but I still have I just
busted it out the other night. You know, I still have my
cassette machine. I have my Kasuke like I still
have all the vintage equipment like that's that's still what is
I'm excited by. Do you guys know the artist
Daniel Johnston? Daniel, no, I'm not familiar.
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He's like, there's a great documentary about him.
He was like schizophrenic. He had a thing where he was on
MTV once. Kurt Cobain.
He's, you know, Kurt Cobain's favorite shirt that says, hi,
how are you? And there's an alien on it.
Yeah, I've seen that. That's a Daniel Johnston shirt.
But Daniel Johnston, what I loveabout his music is it's all like
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it. It sounds like 2 eyeballs, like
it's all super lo fi. It's just like recorded in like
the shittiest way possible. But there's something but, but
there's something really beautiful about it.
And like his songwriting abilityis like incredible.
But I've always been drawn to that aspect of like music and
recording kind of like lo fi that that never I never really
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evolved out of that. Is he like Wesley Willis?
He's. Not he's not as no, he's more
like musically gifted than Wesley Willis.
He's not just like Wesley Williswas, just like, you know, just
like he was. Out there, yeah.
Yeah, just like a bizarre personality that was.
No, no, Daniel Johnson is like very talented as as a songwriter
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and lyricist. But yeah, but like, yeah,
there's a great. Yeah, his mental health.
There's a documentary about him that's really, really, really
cool. But yeah, Wesley will.
So good reference. There's a good one.
By the way, we're open to a Jingle from the Two Eyeballs guy
for our show if you want to create something if you got the
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keyboard out already. If that can get me back in the
home studio, I'll keep it in mind.
I'll keep it in mind. I'm just wait, you know, I don't
know, maybe I, maybe I have to wait a few more years before my
kids like grow up and go to college.
So I have some, have some more time.
I don't have the time, man. I don't have the time.
Just, you know, just. Keep it in mind.
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We'll pay you exactly what Kevin.
And being paid, you see? Yeah.
I I totally hear you. I got kids and I do this and
work full time and it's it's just crazy.
Yeah. But yeah.
All right. And did you want to promote
anything, McConnell? You want to promote the therapy
or anything like where to find you or anything like that?
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Look me up on Instagram therapy by Britt or you can just look at
mcalbert on Instagram. I do a bunch of like mental
health content, but or just go to nasty millionaire on band
camp. You can get all nasty
millionaire, all the recordings from like 2008.
They're all there. I don't really, again, like, I
don't really do that anymore, but I like that it exists and
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it's and it's all free for anyone that's interested.
Nice, nice. I got to jump off.
OK. All right.
Thank you for coming on. Had a great time.
Absolutely enjoy. Thanks for having me on.
See you next time. All right, take care.
Everybody have. A goodbye.
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Oh, I hung up on him. Keeping up the Kevin and Bean
tradition. Just like Kevin.
He shouldn't be your store by now.
Well, that was McCall Britt. He did the two eyeball song and
then look for them on Instagram like you said.
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Who dares to enter the? House quitters never give up.
Go ahead. Reckoning for all of quitters,
Never give up. Check off Christopher.
Check off Jen Pastorini. Check off Lindsay.
Hello, Drew. The great Ed Wynn, ladies and
gentlemen. I love him so much.
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Because I said quitters never give up and he said that's all
they do. Hello, party people it is.
Quitters never give up. Let's get this.
Let's get some more 2 eyeballs. Oh my God.
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All right, all right, all right.We'll have more of that a little
later. We got a special guest here for
that. Let's say hello to McHale Britt.
Am I saying that right in Become?
That's right. Awesome.
That's. Correct.
That's correct. There we go.
How you doing? I'm.
Good. Thanks for thanks for reaching
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out. Thanks for reaching out.
That was such a surprise. Yeah, Edwin and I are listening
to 2014 cuz he. Feels good, doesn't?
It does a little, yeah. It does.
Sorry. Sometimes my player just keeps
going. I press pause and it says, Nah,
I want to play again. Let's see, we're covering 2014
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and this is the this is the day,the week that they premiered 2
eyeballs, Kevin being asked for some Halloween songs and you
sent it in and. Yeah, as we were like setting up
there, I just, I just went and searched my e-mail for two
eyeballs and I'm like, oh, I have the original e-mail that I
sent. Yeah, it was kind of a shot in
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the dark. Nice, nice.
And so this is a song you wrote when you were 10 on a.
Casio like a rough estimate, youknow, we can't have an exact
date, but yes. OK.
And and it was on a Casio keyboard.
That's right. Oh nice.
No, wait, you said the name was different.
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It was the Hotshot. Oh, the hot licks.
Hot licks. Yeah, hot licks, OK.
The hot Where's the bell? Yeah, I was thinking, yeah, the
Hot Licks was like this. It was like electric guitar but
didn't have strings on it. It just had buttons.
But yeah, the Hot Licks, you'd probably go on eBay and probably
find AI don't I don't know what maybe they're.
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Yeah, I want one now, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 2X hot licks, LIXX.
OK as so at 10 years old you didwhat most bands dream of doing,
getting a hit song on K rock. Well, I recorded it for like, my
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future self, right? Like I didn't know at age 10
that it was going to reap such rewards in the future.
I I mean every Halloween we playthat song and that is one of the
all time best Halloween songs wehave.
Yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah.
How did you think to preserve it, to record it?
Because a lot of 10 year olds mess around with the keyboard
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and you know, that's it. It was just in my Nate, I think
I used to record, I would recordlike my own radio shows on
cassette tapes, you know, And I was just into recording on
cassette tapes. And I guess I'm like the family
archivist. I mean, I have, I still have
tons of cassette tapes. I really love cassette tapes.
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And yeah, I've just had it over the years.
And it was kind of like an inside joke amongst like friends
or family, like most people knewto.
Eyeballs, Eyeballs. Eyeballs.
Eyeballs. You know, So yeah.
All right, all right. I have part of the show, October
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7th, 2014 that we're going to play.
Well, we'll go ahead and listen through it and if we need to
stop, let me know. I don't know if I'm ready for
this. OK.
One final song and then we're going to make a plea.
If you can make music, make us some Halloween classics.
We would like to have more musicto play because every year it
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gets down to Halloween Spooks and Green and most of our
audience love it and I hate it and we argue over it and we
don't have any other choices. Yep.
We don't have any other choices.This is my.
This one came in. This is my favorite.
This is McCall. Britt and McCall recorded this
song with a Casio keyboard when he was 10.
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And he's sending this to us now as an adult, right?
Yes, OK, he was 10 years old when he made the song 2
Eyeballs. And here it is.
I'm in, right? Is everybody in just the
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production value is a loner Awesome. 2 Eyeballs.
A lot of lyrics. Is that the Best Song you've
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ever heard? Yes, it is that when he was 10.
So e-mail us, get a hold of us if you can.
You can get a hold of us throughthe website.
Our e-mail addresses are on there.
You can tweet us links to songs or whatever.
But we would like, we would likemore classics, more songs,
perhaps like that one to go to Ithink 2 Eyeballs.
Is the one to beat for sure. That's right.
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There it is, the first time it was played.
That was pretty cool to hear, actually.
Yeah, that was cool. There was a bunch of other
songs. There was songs submitted by
bands that did, you know, full recordings and everything but
yours by far was the one that got away the the leader by far
and and he's going to clip that for a moment later.
(06:02):
But, and let's see, we also haveOctober 7th when you actually
were on Kevin and Bean and talked about the song.
Hi, Mikael. How are you, Sir?
Hey, good morning, Kevin and Bean.
Good morning, Lisa Mang. Good morning.
Pleasure to have you. I feel like we're talking to a
real life rock star right now. This is great for us, but.
It's my life has changed overnight.
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Yeah, so the call, you were 10 and we're going to play some of
two eyeballs here in a moment for folks.
But you were 10 when you recorded it.
How old are you now, Sir? I'm 35 now.
OK, so he's a high. School teacher.
Now how about that? Oh.
Really. How about that?
So when you think back on that magic day when inspiration
struck and you laid down to eyeballs as a 10 year old, tell
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tell me about what you remember.Well, I was a big fan of
thriller. Michael Jackson's Thriller,
right? And I think I just thought I
wanted to make my own version like that.
Looks pretty easy, like a scary dance song.
And were you a, were you a musical kid?
I mean, was this unusual for youto to write and record songs?
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Before you answer that, can we just go back that that it's?
It seems pretty easy to write scary dance songs.
Well, when you're 10, Kevin, youdon't know.
When you're 10, anything is possible, all right.
All right, go ahead. This is like probably one of my
first songs, but yeah, I was always interested in music.
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I had a bunch of Casio keyboards.
I think I. Recorded.
This on this old, I think it wason this old guitar toy called
the Hot Licks. Oh, I don't remember.
That either. The hot licks and you have
stayed with music. I see that you have a website
now and you you're doing all sorts of creative stuff, right?
Yeah, I do a lot of. I messed around with a lot of
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creative stuff, yes. OK, All right.
Can we hear a little bit of two eyeballs and then we get we have
some more questions for McCall because this is the one that the
listeners love for Holloway. First of all, high quality.
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I'm. Going to be honest, I don't
understand a word you're saying.Yeah.
Why? Why are you so far away from the
mic, McCall? Well, I was just recording on
like a boom box. Uh huh.
This is just like a boom box. Put a cassette tape in press
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record and you know, I was 10 years old, so I was just, I
wasn't really thinking about much else except just the.
Performance. Look, we love it.
Don't get us wrong, we love it. Now, Kevin, before you, before
you hit it again, before it getsinto the big two eyeballs hook,
here's what we've missed so far.Who dares to enter the House of
horrors, right? It all started on a night just
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like tonight. I heard a Creek.
It came from the attic, so I went inside and I think that's
where we pick it. You had to know a decent amount
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about music to do that weird chord change, right?
That's sort of scary. Minor key thing.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know how I knew that.
If you remember, and I know we're going back 25 years now,
but what was so scary about two eyeballs?
Like don't most people have two eyeballs like 1 eyeball?
That's scary. Why is too scary?
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Well, because they're rolling around.
They're not inside a head. They're not.
They're just rolling around in the attic.
We didn't get. That are they?
Are they floating in? Air or are they on the on the
floor in the attic? I always envision them like on
the floor of rolling. Are they together?
They. Might roll.
Are they side by side or is it just mayhem?
No. They're they're side by.
Side do you? Think they're they're from the
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same person. Yeah, I think they are.
We're trying to get into his psyche when he was like what he
thought when he was. I grew up on the East Coast
where you had addicts. Do they have addicts here?
No, they don't have basements here.
They don't have either for the most.
Part Well, I had an attic as a child, and the attic was pretty
like a pretty terrifying place. That was all I've.
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Got all right, so he here's a Creek in the attic.
He went inside, he saw two eyeballs.
And now the story continues. We find out something about what
McCall 10 year old McCall saw onthe news.
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No, that's I got to tell you, that's my favorite part because
you give yourself an echo. It's. 2.
Eyeballs, eyeballs, eyeballs. What?
What did you do with this song? Did you play this for friends or
family or anybody after you madeit?
Yeah, some of my close friends and family definitely know this
song. And I just, I felt like I was
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just sitting on gold for 25 years.
Sure. Well, you were just waiting for
for this moment to get it on K Rock.
You were. Right, you were sitting on gold
and today's the payoff, my friend.
All. Right at Thanksgiving every
year, everybody would go come on, play it, plan those later,
but play it. Let's see, what could the dream
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be? Of I can't imagine something
maybe you saw on the news and then also saw in his attic.
I can still see Radiohead covering this by the way.
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They ended up what? At a face.
At a face. So the eyeballs rolled around,
and then they found a face that didn't have eyeballs.
Yeah, like they found the faith they're supposed to be a part
of. Oh, I.
See that was also in the attic. Right.
Like they rolled, I guess they probably rolled down the stairs
and out the attic and. Then.
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Falls. It rolls off the table and out
the door. Right.
And then somebody out there justhappened to not have eyes.
Well, no, like probably the evilcharacter that these eyes once
belonged to. I see come.
On Kevin, pay attention. It's clear.
It's clear as day. It's all.
Yeah, it is. It's turning around with.
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The keyboard. Not from the attic.
Not from the attic. It did come from the attic.
No, no. Go up there.
Did you go up again? Now this part I can't even
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understand myself. So you don't know what you said?
I don't know that's correct. That's it.
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But. I think that I said that my dog
went up and then and came down with no with.
No. Wow, that is.
Terrifying. What a troubled. 10 year old you
were. Seriously.
They're called. So I always pictured it was like
a zombie that was up in the attic, Right, Right.
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Yeah, maybe. I mean, the beautiful thing
about art is that it's open to interpretation, so everyone has
their own, you know, nightmarishvision, and maybe that's why the
song works so well. Exactly.
Art is what you make it. Exactly.
Yeah. And that's really creative for a
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10 year old to do. It is.
Thank you. And I like how Kevin was talking
crap about you not remembering what you were saying when you
were 10 when Kevin can't remember what he said last
break. But yeah, that felt pretty good
to hear. I was a little nervous to hear
what I sounded like 10 years ago.
I haven't listened to it since then.
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I always remembered a friend of mine.
My memory of it is a friend heard that and he was like, he
kind of made me feel like, bro, you missed an opportunity.
You blew your opportunity like you should be.
You should have been promoting your music.
I used to do music under this name Nasty Millionaire.
Oh, that's the SoundCloud that it's on.
(15:24):
Oh, it is it? OK.
So that's there. Yeah, that's why I pulled the, I
pulled the recording the full song.
Oh, oh, oh, you got it from there.
OK, cool. Yeah.
And so I just my memory at the time was like my friends made
that comment to me. And then I kind of like ever
since then felt bad like, Oh, I had my one moment and I blew.
But listening to it now, I'm like, oh, that sounded, that was
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really fun. That sounded good.
You know, for me it was like, you know, we, I think I, I hope
most people can relate to this. Like do you sometimes have
moments in your life when everything just aligns right?
Almost like manifestation, like it all.
It's just clear. So I remember I would just
listen to Kevin and Bean on the way.
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I worked at Venice High School and I would commute like an hour
from the East Side LA over to the West side, and I would
listen to Kevin Bean. So I heard that they were
looking for the Halloween song. And then just in that moment, I
just knew I was like, oh, duh, obviously I'm going to send them
two eyeballs and it's going to like, it's going to blow their
minds. And it was just like a very
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clear moment, like, just like, Idon't like, I just knew or
something. And I, I, you know, I've had a
few couple other moments like that in life, but it's cool
when, you know, when everything just kind of the universe lines
up like that. It became, well, it's Kevin and
Bean history. I mean, every Halloween or when
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we're listening to the podcast or whatever, it's like, and it's
just everyone loves that song. And you were the only one.
There was no other song that somebody submitted that they
picked in addition to, you know what I mean?
You were the only one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really into creativity and art
and, and I think I, you know, pursued it from like an ego
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standpoint or like from a career.
And what I love about art and music is it doesn't, it can
exist even if, even if there's only 10 or 20 people in the
world that appreciate something or, you know, yeah, I don't
know, Like it's if you just keepcreating, whether you're 10
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years old, whether you're 80 years old, like make a song and
play it for one friend, you know?
Yeah. So.
But it's cool. It's like a little this this
part of my life is like a littletidbit, you know?
And they do like when they do like Ice Breakers.
And what's a fun fact about yourself?
Like this is 1. I can always pull out.
That is like, you know, a fun little random quirky moment from
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from the history of my life. That's.
Cool. Yeah, definitely.
I mean, yeah. And I, I get that making art for
at least one person, that's pretty much how this podcast
works. We get like 1 listener.
We're shooting for 20 people in the world one of these days.
Yeah, Oh. Let's keep going with the clip.
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There's about a minute left on it.
Eddie wanted to say something. Eddie.
Oh I was just curious, did you ever remake it or did anyone
else do a cover of it? I think it would be an awesome
song to redo. Somebody maybe too tangentially
to you, I somebody like from K rock lore, like a fan reached
out to me once to do a cover song.
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I don't know who. I don't remember who, what their
name was or who they were or andyou know, I think I listened to
it and it just, I mean, apologies to whoever the person,
you know, it didn't capture it to me.
I'm like, it's cool. It was, it was an honor, but it
didn't capture the magic. So I would love for it to be
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covered. No, I never, I never covered it
again. I mean, I don't know how to
create that. Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn,
damn. I don't know how to ever like
recreate that successfully so. Yeah.
And the the cluster cords in there, I don't even know how I
would begin to transcribe those.I feel like as a 10, I feel like
it, I was just pushing my, I wasjust taking my hand flat, just
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going like, I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know what I was doing orhow I was doing that.
But I don't, you know, I took piano lessons a little bit like
my aunt is a piano teacher, I think.
And I took she taught me how to play funky town.
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Great song, great song. And I took piano lessons from
her for like AI don't know, not very long.
And I'm I'm I'm not a very proficient piano player by any
means. I can just play a couple chords.
But yeah, I don't know if that was before or after this or
what, but. Yeah, but the hot licks just had
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buttons, so I imagined it was like 4 or five buttons or three
buttons and you press a few of them at a time.
As I'm, yeah, I mean, as I'm thinking about this, I don't
know, definitely the hot licks might now just be a rumor.
As I'm listening to it, I'm like, maybe that wasn't the hot
licks. OK.
(20:30):
What? Breaking news.
We broke the case. It may have just been the Casio
keyboard. The hot licks may have I had
another song called ESP It's a sixth Sense, and it was a song
about ESP. Maybe that was the I mean, hot
licks was definitely a very coolretro instrument that I had.
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But now that I'm thinking about it, that song may not have been
that may have just been Casio keyboard because the hot licks
wouldn't have done those two chords.
The hot licks pressed buttons and it'd be like more of those
syncopated. No, no, no.
OK, we'll never know, you know? It's just you'll never capture
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that magic again. It's just not going to be.
Yeah, yeah. My daughter's singing along.
And it's cool, Like, I, my kid, my kids totally know about two
eyeballs. I mean, they'll go 2 eyeballs.
Eyeballs, eyeballs. Like it, it carries.
You know, our job is to pass thetorch, you know?
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Definitely. Yeah.
Future generations can know of two eyeballs all.
Right. Let me play a little bit more of
it. It's like about a more a minute
more would. You say, is this your Best Song?
I always have to say it's in like the top three.
Sure. OK, well, there's no shame in
that, man. I mean, seriously, no shame in
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that right there. I am so happy that you.
I mean, it's amazing to me because I am terrible at keeping
stuff. Like, I don't have any of the
stuff from when I was a kid, butthe fact that you still had this
tape from when you were 10 is awesome.
And you were still able to put your hands on it and send it to
us is so cool. McCall.
Yeah, I'm glad you guys liked it.
I've been listening to you guys for a while and I know I know
your taste. Yeah, yeah, that's the Best Song
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Ever to us. Well.
I'm not joking. What I tell you, the listeners
have been going crazy for wanting it as a ringtone and
they want they want to hear the whole song.
So with your permission, we'd like to, you know, post it, put
it up on SoundCloud or somethinglike that so people can hear it
and have it. Do you mind?
Yeah, definitely. I would love that.
I think it needs to be free and available to the public.
There you go, ladies and gentlemen.
The great recording artist McCall joins us here on the
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Kevin Mitchell. Thanks for the time, Sir.
Cool. Thank you.
Oh. Shoot, I hung up on.
Him. Sorry.
I apologize. Now he's made it.
Just like the greats Paul McCartney and Bono, you got hung
up on. I remember, so I was thinking
also when I did that interview, so I told you I was working at
Venice High School. So I remember arriving at, you
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know, the school day starts at, like, 8.
And I worked with kids with autism.
And I remember having to leave the classroom.
And I'm, like, standing on my standing in, like, the parking
lot of Venice High School doing this interview, telling the
teacher the classroom I got to go do this thing.
Like, you know, I just need like, 10 minutes.
Let me just, like, run out real quick.
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Yeah. That's really cool.
I mean, and to just be on K rock.
I, I played in bands like in the90s and stuff like that.
Always dreaming to be on K rock and and I miss my shot.
So what are you doing now McCall?
You still teaching? I'm a psychotherapist.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
So I Yeah, that that mean this song, it it feels like a
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lifetime ago because I hadn't since that time.
I went back to school, got my master's degree in social work,
had two kids and. Yeah.
And I have a private practice inBurbank where I'm a therapist.
I specialize in trauma. I do EMDR if anyone knows what
that is, it's a type of trauma therapy and you know, other I
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treat just general I'd work withadults, depression, anxiety,
couples therapy. So yeah, none of my none of my
patients know about this part ofmy.
I like when my yeah, when my, when my past comes back to haunt
me. But but not that I would mind.
I mean, I would be happy. It just probably wouldn't be
appropriate if I was like just before we start therapy, let me
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tell you something. You should be playing it in the
waiting room. It's.
Not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea.
I think he's, I think he's analyzing Edwin and most of us
right now just figuring to figure out what's wrong.
With it, Were you ever able to monetize this at all because it
was on K Rock and they made it aringtone?
(24:59):
Did you put it on YouTube or anything?
No. Well, it is on SoundCloud.
I don't think there's a lot of money on that one.
Yeah, yeah. No money, no money from this
but. And he said to put it out there
for the world because everybody needs to enjoy it.
I'm more into that aspect of of the arts is if if money is made,
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it's a bonus to just the thrill of sharing with the world.
But yeah, I mean, I guess if I was more business savvy, I could
have should have turned this into more.
That was the thing. There was like there was like a
bit of regret that I had that I didn't.
But I don't know that's. Well, you don't really know.
I mean, that was a song you madeand all of a sudden Kevin and
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being played it. Yeah.
So, you know, I could see where you wouldn't really know, you
know, what's going on and how tothe next step.
You did have fun though, and that's the important.
Thing yeah, I think that's what's important.
And then someone asked me earlier before we started
recording if I still do music. And so I do I haven't done any
recently just because I'm my I'mI'm busy working as a therapist
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and I have kids and all this stuff, but I still have I just
busted it out the other night. You know, I still have my
cassette machine. I have my Kasuke like I still
have all the vintage equipment like that's that's still what is
I'm excited by. Do you guys know the artist
Daniel Johnston? Daniel, no, I'm not familiar.
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He's like, there's a great documentary about him.
He was like schizophrenic. He had a thing where he was on
MTV once. Kurt Cobain.
He's, you know, Kurt Cobain's favorite shirt that says, hi,
how are you? And there's an alien on it.
Yeah, I've seen that. That's a Daniel Johnston shirt.
But Daniel Johnston, what I loveabout his music is it's all like
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it. It sounds like 2 eyeballs, like
it's all super lo fi. It's just like recorded in like
the shittiest way possible. But there's something but, but
there's something really beautiful about it.
And like his songwriting abilityis like incredible.
But I've always been drawn to that aspect of like music and
recording kind of like lo fi that that never I never really
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evolved out of that. Is he like Wesley Willis?
He's. Not he's not as no, he's more
like musically gifted than Wesley Willis.
He's not just like Wesley Williswas, just like, you know, just
like he was. Out there, yeah.
Yeah, just like a bizarre personality that was.
No, no, Daniel Johnson is like very talented as as a songwriter
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and lyricist. But yeah, but like, yeah,
there's a great. Yeah, his mental health.
There's a documentary about him that's really, really, really
cool. But yeah, Wesley will.
So good reference. There's a good one.
By the way, we're open to a Jingle from the Two Eyeballs guy
for our show if you want to create something if you got the
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keyboard out already. If that can get me back in the
home studio, I'll keep it in mind.
I'll keep it in mind. I'm just wait, you know, I don't
know, maybe I, maybe I have to wait a few more years before my
kids like grow up and go to college.
So I have some, have some more time.
I don't have the time, man. I don't have the time.
Just, you know, just. Keep it in mind.
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We'll pay you exactly what Kevin.
And being paid, you see? Yeah.
I I totally hear you. I got kids and I do this and
work full time and it's it's just crazy.
Yeah. But yeah.
All right. And did you want to promote
anything, McConnell? You want to promote the therapy
or anything like where to find you or anything like that?
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Look me up on Instagram therapy by Britt or you can just look at
mcalbert on Instagram. I do a bunch of like mental
health content, but or just go to nasty millionaire on band
camp. You can get all nasty
millionaire, all the recordings from like 2008.
They're all there. I don't really, again, like, I
don't really do that anymore, but I like that it exists and
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it's and it's all free for anyone that's interested.
Nice, nice. I got to jump off.
OK. All right.
Thank you for coming on. Had a great time.
Absolutely enjoy. Thanks for having me on.
See you next time. All right, take care.
Everybody have. A goodbye.
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Oh, I hung up on him. Keeping up the Kevin and Bean
tradition. Just like Kevin.
He shouldn't be your store by now.
Well, that was McCall Britt. He did the two eyeball song and
then look for them on Instagram like you said.
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