04 12 25 The Jonathon and Kelly Show

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan Rush, more than fifty countries have approached the administration
about lowering their non tariff trade barriers, lowering their terriffs.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Kelly Nash, do you believe that President Trump's tariffs are
risking the chances of a recession?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I don't, and I think we could see from the
jobs number that we are moving forward.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Kristin Welker's question of recession has now evolved into do
you believe that the president is insane? Because that's what
the hedge fund managers are saying. This guy's insane, he's
off his hinges.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
He is trying to restructure the global economy and put
America back on top.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Now at the beginning of the week, actually at the
end of last week, and we referenced that just briefly
because we didn't have all the information. We record this
program on Fridays for Saturdays broadcasts, we were talking about
the jobs numbers that they come out. Then on Monday,
we had an opportunity to speak with doctor Joey von
Nesson You're going to hear from him in just a second,
to reference in particular South Carolina's economy. We also have

(01:09):
Now we've got a brand new way to celebrate the
South Carolina GOP. We're winning over hearts and minds.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Or is it just a rhino parade? I mean, what
is going on? We've got a lot of people coming
over to the Republican Party, but they don't feel very Republican.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
We've got a couple of things happening in the streets
of Richland County, certainly in the streets in every county
in South Carolina that is very concerning to our citizens.
We get to speak with the Richland County Sheriff Leon
Lot about some of the things that happened this past
couple of weeks here. That'll be coming up in segment four.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Did anything happen in DC this week? Maybe should we
cancel swamp talk?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
We might. We'll get back to the insane Golden Age
of America coming up, including a reference to go to showers. Hey,
what are we talking about here? We're coming up in
segment three, but we start with an abbreviated version of
a conversation we had on Monday. Kelly Nash, Welcome on
the phone for the University of South Carolina. Darla Moore

(02:05):
School of Business. He is a research economist. Doctor Joey
van Nessen.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Good morning, Good morning guys.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, good to have you here, doctor, And so we've
been talking about the jobs report, and that's interesting. Was
there inside that job's report you mentioned great news low
unemployment in our state. Where are we statewide? I noticed
nationally we went back up unemployment from four one to
four two.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
We did, and the national unemployment rate has hovered around
four percent plus or minus for the last year. In
South Carolina, we also currently have the same unemployment rate
as the national as the US does at four point
two percent, but ours has steadily moved upwards from a
low of three percent three point zero percent where we

(02:52):
were a little over a year ago and kicked up
to today where it is at four point two percent.
But the reason for that is that we've been going
through a reach ustment of our economy where we've come
off of a red hot level of demand that came
about during the pandemic period, where we had basically a
pandemic bubble which included six trillion dollars in stimulus and

(03:12):
a rapid labor market recovery that was unsustainably high demand
and so we've been tapering off of that high, coming
off of that bubble, and so that's why the unemployment
rate has been ticking up. Basically, lower job growth is
what we've been seeing in recent months, and we're getting
back to pre pandemic.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Norms there inside the unemployment numbers at U three and
then you got the U six. I mean, there are
all these determinations and a lot of it has to
do with the participation of the actual workforce at any
given point during the snapshot of the measurement. How is
our workforce number holding up?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
So our labor force participation rate is lower than the
national average, that is because of broader structural factors that
are different in South Carolina compared to the US. For example,
we have an older population, which means more retirees, not
as many pe people are working. We also have an
industry base that is more manufacturing heavy relative to the

(04:04):
national average, and if you look at workers in manufacturing,
they tend to retire in their fifties as opposed to
in their sixties, which is more the average for Americans
as a whole. And then you also have a large
military presence in South Carolina and a lot of military
retirees as well, and they have the option typically of
retiring earlier. For all those reasons, our labor force participation

(04:27):
rate tends to be lower than the national average by
about five percentage points. So at the national level it's
about sixty two percent, we're about fifty seven percent.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
All right, we're talking with doctor Joey van Nessen. Now
we're recording this on Monday morning. So depending on when
you're hearing this podcast, or perhaps you're hearing it back
on the radio on our weekend show or whatever, the
ground may have shifted under our feet even before this airs.
But if you were to speculate, which is tough to do.

(04:57):
Howard Lutnik is the Commerce Secretary and talking about manufacturing,
one of the things that Trump wants to do is
obviously get more manufacturing in America. I happen to agree
that I think it's a fantastic idea, especially as Scott
Bessen said, COVID exposed the supply chain, and we can't

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rely on other countries to produce our medicines and other things.
We need to be able to produce it in here.
But Lutnik points out that the vast majority of these
jobs that are going to be here will be done
by robots. So well, this, I mean, how does this
impact our economy in your estimation? Also, I guess part

(05:38):
B of that question is if we are using Americans
to produce stuff, they have to get paid a lot
more than we would be paying the Vietnamese. So wouldn't
that also drive up prices?

Speaker 6 (05:49):
That's exactly right, And there are trade offs associated with
tariffs and their trade offs associated with everything we You know,
anybody who's had an economics course knows the phrase there's
no such thing as a free lunch, right, And that's
because we're always looking at trade offs of different policies,
of different actions, and tariffs are no different. So what
we're facing is a scenario where if we do see

(06:10):
more manufacturing on shoring, which is what the Trump administration
is trying to do at least that's one of their goals,
we could potentially see some successes there where we have
more investments in different communities across the US, and that
can create jobs and incomes for local residents of those
communities and can create higher rates of long run growth.

(06:32):
And we've already seen some announcements from Hyundai and Honda
and Aldi and Mercedes and others that are looking to
potentially build more facilities in the US. That's the benefits side,
but then you do have the cost side, as you
mentioned that it is going to increase price levels because
moving manufacturing to the US. There's a reason that production
has been overseas because it's more efficient from a cost perspective,

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and so that will have impact on price levels and
especially in the short run, can put upward pressure on inflation.
And that's a major reason why we're seeing so much
back and forth in the stock market this week, because
there's a lot of concern among investors and among businesses
that we will see rising prices in the coming months
and that could affect business investment decisions and consumer purchasing

(07:18):
as well if prices rise this year.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Doctor von Nessen from the Darla Moore School of Business,
Scott Bessont made the case that the reason we had
to do this and do this now was because things.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
basically what he was saying was that he could see
in the economy the telltale signs of a collapse. He

(07:41):
said he saw these similar things going back into the
late nineties, ninety eight ninety nine, and then we started
to have some problems in the early two thousands. We
artificially propped ourselves up, and then the collapse came in
two thousand and eight. He said that this collapse would
be much worse. Just looking at whatever it is that

(08:04):
he's looking at it, I don't understand what he's looking at.
He's a genius. He did point out in that statement, though,
that eighty four percent of the stock market is owned
by the top ten percent in America. The rest of
the stock market, the other twelve percent is owned by
the forty percent below that top ten percent, and at

(08:24):
the last half of Americans fifty percent of Americans have
no investments in anything and are, the way he described them,
complete debtors. They owe money on everything. And that's what
he's talking about when he says the middle class has
been destroyed in America. There is no middle class, and
you cannot sustain a society without a middle class. Is

(08:46):
that an accurate statement? Because it doesn't feel like we're
on the verge of a collapse. It doesn't feel like
we were in an emergency. To anybody, well.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I would say that we're not on the verge collapse.
I don't think that that would be accurate to say,
but he's right and that we have had a period
where we are seeing many Americans who are having trouble
finding stable employment and that are looking for positions that
provide upward mobility and that's been a challenge for a

(09:15):
long time, and so providing more opportunities for Americans to
be able to find a career path that has a
significant and upward potential is very important. Manufacturing is certainly
one area where we could see some growth and that
could provide some potential there as well. And then the
other piece to that is focusing on job training because

(09:35):
we do have a labor shortage currently in the US.
Most employers over the last several years and across industry
sectors have not been able to find the workers that
they need. So job training for positions that are currently
open today is also another piece of that.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
To that end, I know you talk with a lot
of business community leaders and the like, and this is
one of the things you do in your job description. Chin,
are you hearing more and more conversations I've had. I
had some conversations with some CEOs that are very interested
in getting involved with the education of the young people,
even in the K through twelve certainly into the Tech
school and to the University of South Carolina and other
college campuses about being able to a introduce these young

(10:15):
people to the opportunities that are coming having to do
with the AI and other robotics. Are you having more
and more are hearing more and more conversations about how
to train up our South Carolinians sooner or get involved
sooner so that we can have this workforce educated in
such a way to take advantage of the robotics on
the way.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yes, and that's something that South Carolina does extremely well
and it's been one of our major competitive advantages over
the years. And that's one reason that manufacturing has done
so well in our state and it's been the leading
driver of growth over the last fifteen to twenty years.
And bottom line is, we don't need to change our
strategy in South Carolina. We just need to do more
of it, more job training, We need to get more

(10:53):
invested early on as you mentioned in K through twelve
and provide students just open their eyes to the different
opportunities that are available in South Carolina and show them
what's available what's out there helped connect them to apprenticeships
and to internships, and I think that's really the secret sauce.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
And as a reminder, we had to only because of
the restraints of this program, because doctor Joey could be listening.
We don't feel like he short changed here. We had
to edit that conversation down, but you can hear it
in its entirety on our podcast.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, just look for rash Thought podcast. By the way,
somebody asked me, why do you guys even call it
rash thought. We haven't said it in a while. When
you put Rush in Nash together, you get rash.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
There you go, and it's a rash thought every day.
We share that on WVOC and across the state of
South Carolina. And politics makes for strange bedfellows. Who's in
bed with the Republicans. Didn't expect to see.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Him next the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Rush, we.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Stand ready to negotiate with the United States.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Indeed, we have offered zero for zero tariffs industrial goods.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Kelly Nash.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
We will eliminate the trade deficit with the United States,
and we're going to also eliminate traded areas.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, two of the world leaders
of then, because we record this program on Friday for
Saturday's broadcast, we talked about that on I guess it
was on Tuesday. We had two world leaders dropping their tariffs.
Now of fifty countries, now we have seventy five countries,
and we can get more into the ninety day pause
and the upheaval that's caused it, what's really behind it?

(12:29):
Coming up in swamp Talk here in a few minutes.
We'll also talk to Sheriff Leon Lott before this program
is over today. Hello, Kelly Nash Hi Jonathan. Now the
headlined Democrat Solicitor Pasco, David Pasco, who we spoke up
many times in this program. To join the GOP. I
had to read that line twice. Now the next line,

(12:50):
will he run for South Carolina Attorney General? Well, we
know he wants to be attorney general, and he's smart
enough to know if you want to win a state
wide contest, you probably know the wrong party.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Well, currently we're about a plus eighteen state, meaning if
you come in for a state office, it's usually going
to go something like fifty eight forty. You know when
I'm saying sixty forty two. That seems to be the
breakout for or excuse me, it would been a little
bit reversed, but either way, it's about an eighteen point
advantage for a Republican. So now the question becomes, can

(13:22):
David Pascal sell himself after spending a lifetime as a Democrat,
after endorsing Joe Biden, after saying that Joe Biden is
the most decent man I've met in American politics? Can
that guy convince you he's a Republican?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Nick Kelly, you sound that you're putting this all in
a political argument. This is about a personal stance. He
shows up in Somerville, right, a heavily Republican district, and
he's speaking there, and he actually came out and said,
I cannot in good faith be a member of a
political party that sheds more tears for violent criminals than
innocent victims. This is his life. He is, in fact

(14:01):
standing on the law, and he's standing on nearly the
Bible here because now he's had an epiphany on High
Holy Week.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well, you know what, I congratulate you on that, sir.
I'll also point out that he is now the twentieth
Democrat in South Carolina who is an elected official to
flip to the Republican party, specifically to run for state office.
It's a game they've been playing for many years, twenty recently.
Now you can go all the way back to strom
Thurman and that crew.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Okay, if you want to go back to politics, he
cleared that up for you. He has at times endorsed
Republicans over Democrats for law enforcement positions because public safety
should transcend partisan lines. That's what he told everybody, including
Republican solicitors Duffy Stone of Beefer County and Scarlett Wilson

(14:50):
of Charleston County. Yes, he has a Wilson endorsement if
he should choose to run for attorney general. It's not
Alan Wilson, it's not joe In Scarlett Wilson.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
You know, he did take a little shot I think
at Allen and at our current governor, Henry McMaster. He says, quote,
I'm not knocking our past AG's but for too long
AG has stood for aspiring governor in this state.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
That's that's a pretty good one. I don't know who
wrote it for him, but somebody owned his staff. So anyway,
here's the thing. Though he's already he's got such a
high mountain to climb here. I mean, Butcary Sellers on CNN,
I'm sure spewed all. I'm extremely disappointed that David Pascal
is leading the Democrat Party to further his political ambition

(15:41):
to run for statewide office. I think he should resign
as solicitor when they didn't ask Biden to step down
when plainly he was capable. But that's not that's he
represents the people of Orangeboro County, Dorchester County, Calhoun County.
I wonder if David Pascal is now going to wrap
his arms around Donald Trump the same way wrapped his
arms around Joe Biden. I guess we never knew him.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
For all of you South Carolinians who's complained that this
is a red state that gets run like a blue state,
stop electing former Democrats.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
As we got an assembly full of them.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
At least give him some time, you know, because I
know some people throw it in your face. Well, Donald
Trump was a Democrat till twenty eleven or whatever. I
understand all that, but you know it was many years
later that he became a Republican presidential nominee.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well, again, it's not just becoory sellers. I mean even
from South Carolina. He got Democrats who are screaming about this.
I mean, I actually agree with Chrystille Spain. Who do
you think you're fooling, David? Do you think South Carolina
Republicans are going to let a twenty year Democrat solicitor
who suddenly has a change of heart to be their
nominee for attorney general. When South Carolina's GOP primary voters

(16:52):
reject you in twenty twenty six, don't expect the voters
in Calhoun, Dorchester, and Orangeburg to allow you to keep
your job.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'll also point out that you know, in the counties
that he was representing, those were won by Joe Biden.
I mean, he's representing a Democrat district. So maybe he's
just been a political animal the whole time. Maybe he's
not beholden to any ideology. He's just like, well, what
do I got to say to get elected?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh, he's going to be on the campaign trail, Kelly
saying all the right things. He is pro life, he
is pro death for criminals on death row. He's going
to make the legal case for you. It is strange,
though the Republican Party seems to celebrate this at the
same time, you take a conservative Republican. They're trying to

(17:36):
oust Curtis Loftus over here before now he's already launched
a lawsuit. He's got a good case, I think, or
at least he's certainly is going to have an opportunity
to stand before well as attorneys will the South Carolina
Supreme Court, because they want to make sure that they
kick him out of his job, even though he's already
announced he's going to run for reelection. They want to
kick him out of his job without impeaching him. They're

(17:57):
just going to fire him. Well, then that brings up
the state constitution. Can you do that? Well?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
And Curtis has had a career of trying to drain
the swamp in Colombia because Columbia is just as swampy
as DC.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Oh worse, so worse.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yeah, nobody in the legislature likes Curtis, and now that
they think they've got them, they don't. Curtis is going
to be very victorious there.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I believe. I want to go back to this line
because I love this. I cannot in good faith be
a member of a political party that sheds more tears
of violent criminals than innocent victims, he continues, but this
does not mean I'm changing who I am. There you go, Kelly,
You get the words right from the rhino's mouth. Or
was it the horse? Was it a donkey? Was it
an ass? I don't know what it was. It was

(18:40):
morphing right in front of me, like most political animals
in this state. Speaking of political animals, let's go ahead
and take a little take a little trip, if you
don't mind, up to DC and talk about what's going
on in the swamp.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Next The Jonathan and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush, I'm proud.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
To be the president for the workers, not the outsource.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
The president stands up from main Street, not Wall Street.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Kelly Nash, who protects the middle class, not the political class?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, and that is a sound argument.
He's fighting from main Street, not Wall Street. Although even
the high heels of Maria Bucdoromo got a little nervous
this week watching the ups and downs on the market.
We started the week with fifty countries. Before we know it,
we got seventy five. That's a lot of negotiating going

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on because he ain't doing cookie cutter. That's when you
put the ninety day pause on the market that had
been going down skyrocketed up and then it got a
little shaky again.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Well again, Wall Street is all about confidence. It really
has nothing to do with P and L and what
people really would like it to mean. It is gambling
and what is the mood. Donald Trump is trying to
reorganize the entire global economy. And basically, if you listen
to Scott Bessen, what he's telling you is that we
are way our GM. Our GDP is seventy five percent

(20:02):
about how much we buy, and we're buying on debt.
The American consumer is tapped out, so we need more manufacturing,
less purchasing. On the same thing, you look at China.
China is almost ninety percent manufacturing, only ten percent consumption.
It's completely backwards over there, and they're screwing their own people.

(20:25):
So what Scott Besen says, if we can get it
to be fair, it'd be great to have fifty to
fifty for both countries. Now, the way we're doing it
is we're going to try to isolate China. They're not
going to be able to sell. You see this week
you got South Korea here, Japan has been a big
importer of Chinese goods. They're here making a deal, and
basically that deal is going to include they haven't announced

(20:45):
this yet, but they are going to include limitations on
what you can import from China. We're going to isolate
them from the world and force them to negotiate.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Well, certainly China isn't being the bad guy in this,
and now has been able to put the spotlight on
it through the negotiations that were brought about. And I
thought it was interesting because not every country, but a
lot of countries wanted to make themselves, like Canada was
standing up and bowing up for a while. Mexico has
been suspiciously quiet. But then when the EU came out

(21:14):
with their statement, first they were going to do zero
zero so we have no tariff on either way, which
would have been great. Then they withdrew that, and I'm like,
who do you think your kidn are over? Do we
think for a second that the EU would ever align
themselves with China, which basically aligns themselves with Russia, given
that you need the US involved in NATO to protect

(21:37):
the continent, because if you think you're going to somehow
pull a fast one and make Donald Trump think that
you're not going to go along with some kind of
negotiated tarif deal. I don't know what it would shake
out to be, but nobody in the world would think
for a second that the EU, of all people, would
align themselves with Russia. Given what you've already been told
on MSNBC and you were told from the Ukrainians, you've

(21:58):
got to stop him now because he will can continue
as march across Europe and then we'll end up owning
the US. You got to stop putin well, and you
don't have to drive far to find a historical market
for peace. They you can find a cemetery filled with
the struggle with They've already been down that road. They're
not going to go to that road again. Who do
you think you're kidding around here, lady.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, maybe she is not kidding or kidding. I don't know,
but because when you look at the EU, it is
a muck, it is a wash in foreigners. Now they
are becoming a Muslim dominant society. So it's like saying,
would Iran go ahead and align themselves with China? Your
dang skippy EU is becoming the new Iran.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
I love the fact that after some of the hedge
fund managers who and you're right, Kelly, you thought it
was all about analytics and P and E. They like
to throw around acronyms we don't understand when you watch
Fox Business or CNBC, you get down to it. These
guys are emotional creatures when it comes to their Wall
Street trading, plainly by the swings we saw wildly up

(23:03):
and down this week. So the question now becomes as
some hedge funge manager supposedly or whispering is Trump insane?
Where you think we'll find out when he gets his
physical this week, where they do a noggin scan on him?
And I realized there's a medical terminology for that, but says,
I don't speak Wall Street. I like, I don't speak medical.

(23:23):
Is there a noggin scan we can get to find
out if Trump is insane? Look what he's doing to
not just the US economy but the world economy.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Back to Wall Street, you look at something like Netflix,
and the valuation on Netflix is three hundred and ninety
four billion dollars is what they Wall Street values Netflix at.
It has never turned a profit, and its entire history,
Netflix has lost money every year. Why would you value
it at three hundred and ninety four billion dollars because

(23:53):
you think sometime in the future they're gonna figure this out.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
They got.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
So that does and then you look at you look
at other companies that are turning huge profits, and they're
not getting anywhere near these kinds of.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Hellos like ads, Longmower Repair and Go to Service. Yeah
we're talking about they're too big to fail.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yeah, Ed, Dungaree and Lawnmarer made more money than Netflix
last year.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Play to Go Ahead. He teaching these Wall Street guys
how to do it. So we've got this thing over
evaluated the way that we like it. Oh wow. I
wonder if that affects our price on trades?

Speaker 7 (24:27):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Oh does it now? Oh wow? Are Americans too stupid
to figure this out? Ooh? A lot of people are
invested because their four oh one k's are invested. Yeah,
we have to go along for the ride. Do Americans
think that he's insane? I don't know. He's shut down
the damn border.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Oh well, I mean yes, I think Americans are going
to say they love his policies. They're very I think
most people would say they're very nervous right now, and
it's a good time to be nervous because we are
apparently we're in a tractor beam being pulled towards China.
There is a ConfL with China coming the way I
see it playing out, hopefully it's just an economic battle,

(25:05):
which still sucks. I mean, we get a lot of
crap from China and it's really undervalued compared to what
it would cost to even have it be made in
Vietnam or someplace, so prices are going to go up.
But it could be even worse because the last play
China has if they get isolated from the world is
they're going to try to circle to Taiwan. And the
reason they're going to circle Taiwan is not only the

(25:26):
historical that they have with Taiwan and how they actually
believe it's part of their country, but more importantly, Taiwan
has come out as the number one manufacturer of chips
in the world, and until the US can catch up,
which is probably four to five years from now, we
need Taiwan to make those chips and if China cuts
us off, we're screwed. And you might have saw Donald Trump,
what was it Thursday in the Oval Office, looked over

(25:49):
at Pete Hegseth and said, Pete, you're gonna like it.
I'm giving you a trillion dollars to bulk up the military.
We are getting ready for war.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, because when you look at pushing g back into
the corner, I mean you think about the fact that
he is all powerful within the boundaries that he currently
rules over. If the economy went as south as a
lot of people would project that it would, now you've
got to start killing off your own citizens. You can't
afford to feed the populace over here, which would put
him in a position where he's going to get cagy

(26:17):
because he's going to be a wild animal back in
the corner. So when he does that, he's going to
do something to suddenly try to reshuffle the cards and
reset the deck and restage the world, which would be
as exactly as you say, take over Taiwan.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, and again, China is all in on ai And
right now it's kind of like the space race was
in the fifties and the sixties. Who can get to
the moon first is a big deal, and it is
a big deal.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Who's going to win?

Speaker 5 (26:42):
I forget the actual term that they use for Ai,
but it's like Sai. When you get to that Sai level,
you basically own the globe and whichever country gets their
first is going to own it. And so we're in
a race right now with China and they're all in
at the same time. Donald Trump understands leverage and that's
fantastic because you know a lot of people people when
they talk about Donald Trump, they act like he's a

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moron who just kind of stumbled into a billion dollars.
He took daddy's two million dollar gift. Okay, I know
a lot of people got two million dollars at some
point from somebody and they're broke that he got two
million dollars and he turned it into a billions, and
they keep saying, well, he went bankrupt. That is part
of his strategy right now. The debtor has the power.
We are the debt Tour. If we fold on our debt,

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China is screwed. And so they recognize that they don't
want us to try to and we also need to
keep buying their stuff. We have them over a barrel
now because we've become too big to fail.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, as we talked about one of our podcasts earlier,
in the week. I know that we have these seventy
five countries, and I'm sure the list has grown longer
by now, but we're going to put a night a
day pause on it, and we make sure we go
through this not a cookie cut of fashion, but individually tailored.
As he says, it's not a seat off the rack,
but you're going to get an individually tailored trade deal
for each country. And after it was widely reported that

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the bond market, not the stock market, the bond market
was what put him in a position that he had
to put a pause on it, I'm hoping that he
adds into the negotiation of all these countries. Hey, since
you've been making billions off of us for the past
fifty years, not only are we going to negotiate any
trade barriers, we're going to negotiate a percentage, but you
also have to buy X number of billions of dollars

(28:19):
in treasury bonds because we need to support the economy.
You don't want our economy to go dead because this
is the economy you're making all your money off of.
You're going to kill the golden goose.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Well, we need we need to fix our economy because
we are now at unsustainable levels, meaning we are about
to default on the loans, and that would send the
whole world into a tail spin. And so we the
interest that we pay on our debt is more than
the national defense, So it's unsustainable. We are collapsing as

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a society. And this is because of the pressure that
Joe Biden put We were going there anyway. We've been
on this trajectory now for forty plus years, but Joe
Biden really accelerated it over the last three years. And
so we need to We need those to fix it.
We need we need the economy to start operating again.
We need that manufacturing back here. You know, you saw

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Nancy Pelosi in the nineteen ninety six speech talking about
how we lost ten million manufacturing jobs from the middle
of this country they went to China. We need those
jobs back.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
And then we're going to run out of time with
this segment. Let me go ahead and apologize now, and
I will retract my statement as staying corrected by Kelly
Nasha now by Senator Kennedy, But we probably won't have
an opportunity to quote my favorite new House member, Jasmine Crockett.
But I do believe with Senator Kennedy that the new
mission statement for Republican Republicans should be let her speak. Yes,

(29:44):
the person who spoke this week that really made me
laugh out loud was was Elizabeth Warren. Now, I wants
to make the charge that Donald Trump is actually guilty
of insider trading because he put out on social media
this should be a good time to buy while the
market's down, and this was him manipulating the market for
him to make billions. So it's all staged by Donald Trump,

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the master who does nothing but serve himself. Now, forget
about the fact that we've heard the phrase buy on
the dip all of our adult lives. Forget about the
fact that everybody knows that when the market goes up
and down there's opportunities both ways to make money. And
you don't even have to buy a put or a
stock option in order to do that. You just buy
it straight up. But to see Congress upset because somebody

(30:31):
could possibly be involved inside of trading was laugh out loud,
especially coming from Pocahontas. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
She Look, they'll do whatever they can to get Donald
Trump on anything, and they've been trying now for over
a decade and they just keep coming up short. This
is not going to there's nothing, There's no there there.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
And all of this news of the market has just
kind of pushed the Ukrainian Russian thing to a side.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, it's still going.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Wickoff is actually at negotiating table again. Now, remember we
record on Friday, so if something big happens between now
at the time this broadcast, you'll know why it's tape delayed. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
I mean, as I'm as we're here recording and I'm
actually watching him shake hands with Putin and so the
negotiations are about to begin.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I don't know what it's going to lead to.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
But again I believe that Donald Trump is absolutely ready.
He understands leverage again with Russia, and I think that
Russia doesn't want to keep going down this path. So
I think that we're going to get a deal.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
The Democrats are so afraid now that we close down
the border. If we can reset the negotiations with all
of the countries worldwide, put China in their place without
starting a war, and then be able to bring about
a safer environment for all of our communities through our
law enforcement with Ice. This is why they're now already

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talking about the next presidential election, and they're hoping that
their savior will come a save them, and that of
course will be Kamala Harris.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
That's great.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
I got one more thing to add to my prayer
listening high Holy week. Let her speak, Yes, let her speak. Hey,
We're gonna let shareff leyon Lot speak next.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Is outrageous as trying to get workers back into.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
The office, Kelly Nash.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
We actually had workers that showed up at the office
to protest having to come back to work at the office.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, WOC Kelly.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Nash, Welcome in the studio, Richly, Kenny Sheriff leyon Lot,
good to see you.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Good morning, Good morning, gentlemen. Great to be with you
and your listeners again. Well our monthly check in.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
That's right, we're checking in. I'm glad you came in
today because just looking at the headlines of the past
couple of days, I know you've been a very busy man.
You're not happy about it. I'm sure work.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
What happened at the Columbia Mall on two notch. A
lot of people still got questions.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Same thing I talk about all the time. A bunch
of group of young people with guns teammate against tem B.
They just happened to run into each other at the mall.
Of course, like everybody, they've got their guns with them.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Of course you got your guns, including.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
Your long gun that you have. Don't don't you take
your long gun into the mall?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Also, are you serious?

Speaker 7 (33:13):
And so Team A sees Team B and temb SE's
teammate and they said, oh, let's start shooting. So they
have a shootout. Unfortunately, an innocent bystander was hit. Of course,
none of them get shot. Yeah, the terrible shots, you know,
they shoot up the stores, they shoot some innocent guy.
And what was I guess probably the most egregious thing
to meet. There was a mom there with a baby

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and a stroller, caught right in the middle of it.
And course they all on video. Of course, people are
going to be going to jail.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
We catch them.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
They're being caught again. Ninety nine percent of the crime
that happens, we saw it. And this is another shooting
that's gonna happen, and they're gonna be held accountable for it.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I think everybody's seen the video. Outside of the waffle house.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
That was another big shootout we had. And what was
ironic about that is Life would had movies in the
park at Doco Park like a month ago, and this
is a family event. This is where families come watch
movies and stuff. And of course you had a bunch
of teenagers that come crash it and they get in
a fight, and then they stopped doing the pop up party.
They would go from one place to the next and

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like whack them mold that you hit, you hit it
one it pops up somewhere else. That's what they were doing.
And so the Life with town council said will you
come and do a town hall meeting? I suggest, So
we had that last Wednesday. Went to the town hall meeting.
I had nine deputies there. There was the mayor, two
council people, newspaper reporter, a TV reporter, and three citizens.
And I told them, then you're one shooting away from

(34:38):
this area exploding and it's going to be on the spotlight.
But there was nobody to hear that. People were on
social media complaining and stuff, but when it came time
to actually be there, they didn't show up. Lo and
behold Saturday night, that's when we have it, and people
are going to jail on that too.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
I was just reading this story in LTx and there's
some citizen quoted in here. It says a free cult
says that there should be a curfew for people under
the age of twenty one after eleven PM. Blightwood Mayor
Sloan Griffin agreed. Is that something that you could ever
enforce a curfew after eleven for a nineteen year old?

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Well, they're actually looking at under eighteen. They are discussing
having a curfew in the town of Lifewood after I
think nine o'clock.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Nine o'clock it's going to be.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Quite early, so and yes, we will be able to
enforce it.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
You can, I can't enforce it.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
You can arrest like a seventeen year old for walking
down the street.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
Round is not the rest of them and goals to
get them off the street and have parents take some responsibility.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I want you to talk again about some of the
things that your department's doing to actually help young people
stay active and on the right track.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Are you Service division does all kinds of programs. We
do parent support groups. You got the summer coming up.
Last year we had over five hundred kids go to
different summer camps throughout the county, all basically free. Kids
can do anything from science camps, the sports camps, a
character camps. Whatever interest a child has, we have a
camp for them. We encourage parents and grandparents. If it's

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not our summer camp, have it at a church, have
it somewhere, but have something for them to do. Two
twelve year olds. We caught a couple of weeks ago,
two o'clock in the morning breaking in cars during the week.
First question we asked the mom, because there's no dad there,
why didn't you know your twelve year olds were in
the house.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
One of the things we've heard over and over again
from youngsters who got involved with gangs is that they
wanted to be a part of the game because it
felt like somebody cared about them.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah, if you don't get it at home.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
If you don't get it at home, they're going to
find somebody that they believe care is about the age
old dad. It is just true. Parenting. It's the hardest
job in the world. That's right, and also for single
moms it's doubly hard. Here's an opportunity to get your
young boys. If that should be the case or young
girls as well.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
It amazes me. Every morning on the way to the gym,
I hear a radio call go out. So and so
is called in report to this house. Their son or
daughter won't get up out of bed and go to school.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
And the deputy has to a deputy has to go
to the house and get that child up out of
bed and make them go to school. They will call us.
That is a nine to one one call in the morning.
We have to go, and the deputy goes, and they
always get up and they go to school.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Well, you can stop reaching. I'm gonna go to Medland
for a second. Can you imagine if your kid won't
get them go to school where they get up on
Sunday morning they go to Sunday school. Oh my, now
I done start at it right there. Here's the shortest
list of the World Game members I have met in
Sunday school. They're not there a parent or grandparent. One
of the good information on how to sound their kid.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
Up said they can call the Sheriff's department called me
five seven six three zero two one eight o three
five seven six three zero two one, or our website,
our CSD dot net and you'll be able to see
all the different programs for got.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
And again that interview could be heard in its entirety
on our podcast. We had to edit you down, Sheriff,
now cause you a long winded because Kelly, yeah, that
was me because of the time restraints with this program,
complain to Andrew that this program needs to be longer
on Saturdays. All right, So now, Kelly Nasher, you can
be going to the Masters tomorrow because obviously you're not

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there today.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
No, sir, nobody invited me and I don't have that
kind of cash.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, I will be watching it this afternoon, and I
love it because that is the best sleep time you
get on Sunday after church. And typically that is a
jim nance who's always involved in the broadcast or he
retire yet welcome to a guy stuck. Just that's the
best sleep effort. And then you wake up just in
time to see the final hole.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Oh if there's on some excitement.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, yeah, don't ever sleep past like five or sit
two hundred yards out.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
He's got three shots to win the Master.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Here you go, hey, listen, Monday, we'll be back on
WVOC and across the state with our rash thoughts. And
then of course we've been posting another podcast. We know
how to find that, so enjoy it and enjoy the
rest of your weekend. Here's the thought, bye bye. All right,
that's it for me.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
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