05 06 25 A BILLION Dolllar Casino in SC?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show rush And you
want me to sit in my seat and stand idly
by and allow this craziness to happen, Kelly Nash, you
could come after me if you want, but you elected
me to stand up. You elected me to continue fighting on,
and I will fight on and Kelly show woc.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Seems like, how many Democrats do we have now begging
to be arrested for standing in the way of the
federal government, either with their sanctuary cities policies, the ice policies,
or the like.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, that's a little bit different. That's Tis James for
people who didn't recognize the voice. And she is been arrested, right,
I mean she is. She has already paid the price,
so to speak. She just hasn't been actually convicted. So
she's a little bit different than a lot of these
other Democrats who are like I'll be. She is the
legit obstructionist who ran on the campaign promise of arresting

(00:59):
Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
What she did and goes no one is above the law.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And now the irony of ironies, they're going to get
her on the exact same things that she actually accused
Donald Trump of.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like I saw the quote no one is above karma.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's a great one I saw today.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I was looking to a line because I was trying
to find a quote from Michelle Obama I overheard yesterday.
I was listening on my phone, so I couldn't back
it up and hear it again. And then by the
time I got to the house, I wasn't recording this show,
so I couldn't back it up. So she was describing
the Trump administration as being a wrecking ball. But I
swear the word she used was reckoning. So she described

(01:40):
the Trump administration as a reckoning ball, and I laughed
out loud, and I said, you're exactly right, Oh, it's
a reckoning.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, I just put in Michelle Obama reckoning. And there's
a video that was posted five days ago on something
called the Diary of a Ceo, where this video is
an hour twenty seven Yeah somewhere.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
What it's called in.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
The headline is Michelle Obama says, this is a scam.
People were running from all of these things, and Donald
Trump is a reckoning.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Ball, a reckoning ball.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So she apparently said that on a podcast meant the
Diary of a CEO people people had run from us
because we're black. She's still victimized. Now. Remember her daughters
could be deported at any minute. So we're on Obama Watch. Yeah,
so see when the Tom Holman will stop by the

(02:36):
Obama compound and take the two girls and ship them
off to all selfatore?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Do you think for a second, just because you're in us?
What was it?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Four? Yeah, she herself was not concerned for herself because
I have a four car motorcade and I am Michelle Obama.
That's right now. My daughters are slightly recognizable, and so
I fear for them. Be afraid, be very afraid, because
you don't know. Yesterday there was a thing happening on CNN.

(03:05):
I did a TikTok video about it, and then I
posted up on my other social media pages. CNN said
that there was the huge tragedy that was just going
through Cinco Demayo was that a lot of festivities had
been canceled or greatly diminished, and we were losing money

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all across the country because apparently illegals are afraid that
they're going to be deported if they gather in public.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Did in AOC tell them do not gather in public?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And they cut to a guy who's the president of
some sort of Mexican organization in Los Angeles, and he
said that, but of course, yes, they watched the news.
They see what's happening on the news, and then they're
all getting deport So now many of them are actually
considering leaving now. And I said, hold a second, wait

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a second, you're telling me that fake news CNN. The
only people who believe fake new CNN appear to be
illegal aliens. And the illegal aliens have heard you saying
that Tom Holman is just picking up Mexicans on mass
and deporting them. So they don't want and they're deporting themselves.
So I have to I actually had to say, thank you, CNN,

(04:19):
your fake news is making America great again. You're deporting them.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh well, the app is up now and they are
working out a couple of kinks so you could self
deport and collect your one thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Look, I hate to be that guy. I don't want
to be that guy, but I'm the guy who's going
to say, you know what, I don't like it, even
though what is it? This total like forty five hundred
dollars per immigrant and thirty five hundred of it goes
to the flying in paperwork to get them out of here.
But it would normally cost like seventeen thousand or something,
they said per immigrant. I would rather pay the money

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and not have the illegals be rewarded with the thousand
dollars They shouldn't. It just rubs me the wrong way.
It makes a lot of fiscal sense. I get it.
If I guess, am I more of a of a
I don't know what the word would be, a moral
purist than I am a fiscal conservative. Maybe that's my problem.

(05:18):
Maybe I should just look at the bottom line and go,
my god, man, you're saving billions of dollars if they'll
just take the thousand and get the hell out of here.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, like a lot of people, we've been bottom line
driven on this entire border situation since it started. That
was even before actually Biden took office, when he told
you to surge the border surge it so, knowing how
much it costs, and that's a very conservative number, knowing
how much it cost per immigrant per year, Well.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's what I'm nine thousand dollars is what they say.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, that's woefully sue.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
It was like nine or eleven thousand dollars is what
they averaged because some look obviously some of the illegals
are actually working. Some of them are not on the services,
so it averages eleven thousand dollars per Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Short change yourself if you were a getaway because I
realized you had another more motivations to get away. You
were probably doing something illegal. But if you'd come across
in the port of entry, at least in the Biden administration,
then you would have walked into what was a guess,
a long line of office visits, even remotely set up

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in tents where they be to make sure that the
Democrats sign you up for everything, all the entitle.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Let's get what you're entitled to, get everything you're entitled to.
I wonder who is there an immigrant? We can find
a migrant, illegal whatever, who got the most money, not
necessarily straight cash home me, but they were. They took
advantage of the app They got a first class airfare
from the country of origin. They landed maybe somewhere like Miami.

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Then they were flown again to New York City. Then
they were put up in that four hundred dollars a
night hotel hell for say four or five months, and
then as we saw some of them being interviewed talking
in their native tongue, that they actually also received straight
cash Homie on I think it was a per diem
of around eighty dollars a day that they were getting.

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But then they also got the free cell phones and
they got access to free healthcare. Is those two moms
that were being interviewed were talking about they had one
kid who had that was it called the rodovirus or whatever,
and they don't know what it cost to fix them.
But they got all the medicines, they got to go
to the hospitals, They did all those types of things
which legal immigrant ran up a bill of say a

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quarter of a million dollars. We got one for a
quarter of a million. That's probably going to be the winner.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Ugh. So now we have AOC begg going to be
arrested a Hope home and arrests arrests her today. I
know that's what she wants. But you know something, I'm
good with it. Arrest her because she broke the law.
And Tis James already told you nobody's above the law.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's not Tom Holman's department to arrest AOC. She's not
an illegal.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
No, but she put up on her web page how
to avoid being detained or otherwise picked up by ice.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
But wouldn't that be Christy Nomes's job to arrest her.
I know she challenged Tom Holman, but she said, Tom Holman,
come and get me.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, he works under Christy nom Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think Christy Nome would have to be the one
who would authorize that, not Tom Holman.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, either one Homan ought to pick her up in
person and make sure she gets to pick out her
color jumpsuit that looks best with her skin tones. I
don't know which one's best to get her. The bugshot
that she wants to run against Trump for twenty twenty eight, well,
at this point, I mean she wants to be the martyr.
She's not pulling very begging, She's she's not pulling very well. No,

(08:46):
I mean they all want to Apparently they still want Kamala.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't know if they have. We seen a can't
We can't have had a poll yet. Since the Kamala speech,
will that affect her? You think negatively in the polling
because it was so horrific. I mean, she was a
horrible candidate and this is no worse than anything she
did on the campaign trail.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think there's by twenty people you got to talk to.
Those are the people to put together the polls.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
But there's like these there's no steelity the way you want.
There's a nostalgic feeling for people, like after they leave,
you can go good or bad on them. Like my
nostalgic feeling for George W. Bush is worse, I think
today than it was when we were living with George
wah totally. I think that when he came out with

(09:29):
the Patriot Act, I was apprehensive, I'll say, And as
it's played out in its unconstitutionality and what they've done
with that, it's my worst fears are come true. And
now I hate George W. Bush for in his entire presidency.
At the time, I don't think I felt that way.
But then there's also like Ronald Reagan. Perhaps I don't

(09:50):
remember feeling at the time as awesome as I do
now about Ronald Reagan. Like to me, Ronald Reagan is
the best president of my life, and I am living
under Donald Trump presidency. I still put Reagan above Trump.
At this point I got it, But maybe at that
time I don't maybe, But so for like Kamala Harris,
I think a lot of people are nostalgic for her because, oh,

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what if she had won, it would have been so
much better. We didn't have Donald Trump in this war
with China and all this other craziness. But then they
see her speak again and they're like, oh, that's why
we didn't vote for her. She's a stupid idiot.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's hard to forget. But she came out to remind you.
Good for you, girl. You just keep coming on out,
all right. So now we've got that going on today,
and we did have a slight downturn yesterday as a
pe we mentioned that only get the record, Yeah, but
you needed that tenth day to tie the record. We
needed the record, but we didn't get that. And then

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we did get an interesting executive order having to do
with banning gain of function, which and they stopped just
short of saying, if we'd have had this in the
first Trump administration, that would have been great. But it
wasn't a problem until the end of the Trump administration
when we realized that we were funding the research that
ended up being gained in research that ended up jumping

(11:07):
the lab for COVID which now the Chinese are plainly
laying back at our feet. Is unc coming into the
conversation here because that was one of the other COVID labs.
I don't even know if you Wu and see Charlotte's
coming in? No, was it you u and see Charlotte?
I guess it was Chapel Hill. So in the Home office.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
But am I misremembering or did the science tell us
that they didn't do gain A function research?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
That's what Fauci told you, So then he would have.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Said, that's fine, ban it because we never did it.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, we never did it, all right, So we had
that come down yesterday. Yeah, and then we had the
revelation of what happened I guess two weeks ago at Newark.
So we had some major problems having to do with
our FAA secretary. And they're plainly laying this at the
feet of when Sean Duffy because we have I guess

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a system that goes back to like nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Maybe Duffy start this in nineteen ninety five and then
just not update it through the years.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, they've laid this at John Duffy's feet, and
they referenced that we're still using floppy disk. Okay, well,
that goes back to nineteen nineties and then or even
in the eighties. I guess, because I was gonna say,
if they were on the cutting edge, I'm sure they would.
The government's never on the cutting edge of anything, said
the South Carolinian whose information was released through the non

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secure Department of Revenue here in South Carolina. But I
don't lay that to the feet of Nikki Haley. I
lay that to feed the Carol Campbell.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, the federal government would for the retirement system, they
would kill for floppy disks right now. They just got
stockpiles of paper buried in a mountain somewhere.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
That is an amazing I can't wait to see a
documentary on this mountain storage facility. I had no idea
it existed until the musk era doge I guess introduction
of it. But I had no idea that we had
a facility. And I forgot it's called Steel Mountain or
something like that. Yeah, but this facility because of the lime,
I think it's the lime walls. I could be wrong

(13:03):
about the stone walls of this. I mean, this is
a world renowned storage facility. I mean the King of
the Royalty of England have documents stored there because of
its conditions for long term storage. Portraits and stuff and
all kinds of documents are stored there. But obviously one
of the we learned about it because a lot of

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the square footage is brought home by the fact that
we're still using wheels and hand trucks to move paper.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
How long did they say it takes for somebody to retire.
It was like six months, yes, So like if I
said today May sixth, I want to retire from the
federal government, I'm not allowed to retire until November six
something like that, because that's when they'll have it processed,
so then I can get my retirement package, my pension

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or whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
One of the dose guys said the other night, and
I think it was I've forgotten who was interview in them,
but they had a round table of these guys and
one of them said that one federal employee had thirty
seven palettes thirty seven palettes of paperwork just for him.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's amazing, just for him. Now, that was the interview
if it's the one that I'm thinking of that actually
introduced us to big balls.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yes, Jesse Waters did the interview.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's fantastic. Big Balls is out and out and about
I mean. And he was a great guy, just like
I anticipated him to be.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
And he looked exactly like you thought he would look.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like, twenty two years old and somebody who takes big chances.
He's big Balls.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And thus the name which he named in parody of
himself or the I guess of the gamers or the like.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
They said, they all take themselves too seriously, so I
want They all had nicknames like the Reckoning or whatever,
and he's like, I just reckon. I wanted to be
something not serious, so I just called myself Big Balls.
And I didn't think it would stick, but everybody seemed
to love it. So yeah, I'm big Ball for life, now.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
And we're still at about one hundred and fifty billion
that we saved on the Doze web page as of yesterday.
I have him been back today to see if that
number has moved up at all. But they keep talking
about all this money, and you keep thinking, gosh, you
found another three hundred and thirty million there, and you
found three hundred and thirty million here, and another five
hundred and sixty million. There at some point we get
to one fifty one billion, because we're a far acry

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from the trillion that does that musk reference. And even
with speaking with US Congressman Ralph Dorman, who if I
remember correctly, we're going to speak with tomorrow, said he
believes that. At see, by the end of the campaign
they said they're going to save two trillion without Ralph
Dorman said he thought it was going to be more
than that.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean that, I mean, it's crazy when you start
talking about trillions and trillions of dollars to get to
that level, Well, first off, they're not in the right departments.
I mean right, you had to stick to the big department.
You had to start with the Department of Defense. And
nobody on the right wants to hear that, but that
is the legit truth. The Department of Defense is rife

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with wasteful spending and we've all.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Known that since we were teenagers when we first heard
about the fifteen hundred dollars hammers.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, this was last updated. The Doze website. Savings has
not been updated in two days, no three days now,
So anything that you saw in the last three days
has not made it they're at one hundred and sixty
five billion dollars in savings, which is one and twenty
four dollars and eighty four cents for each taxpayer. So
you're not going to get that money back.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And we're still.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Waiting on a court decision on whether we can actually
have Doze going to Social Security to take a look
at what's going on there.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I didn't I thought we already had them in there.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now they're still blocking them from It was a court
rulin that came down. I thought it from a federal
judge about not allowing them to see americans private information.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
And they put a hold on the earth, which.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Is one of the craziest things that you would ever hear,
because they are employees of the federal government. Yea saying
that the federal government does not allow access to the
federal government information. That is the rule.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
They would not let Scott Bessett in there.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Let's see nineteen hours ago. I'll go to the most
liberal website I can find, MSNBC. Let's see what they're saying.
Those still wants access to the Social Security data. That's
a terrible idea, says Ryan beckwith your social Security records
are like a suitcase that you pack for a trip
and you want to keep them private. It's crasis.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Then why do I allow TSA to go through it?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, these people are legit insane. They are legit insane.
So yes, we want those to go through the Social
Security not to look at what I'm paying in or
getting paid out on. We want to find the people
who are not supposed to be because I thought that
was where they found in the Social Security records that
people were receiving Social Security benefits that were not even

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born yet, they were born one hundred and fifty years
in the future.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
We know for sure that there were people getting small
business loans who were nine.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Nine years old years old, but it wasn't there what
it was going to be born like the year twenty
and fifty or something.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
In the SBA.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
There are people who are actually getting small business loans
who are going to be born twenty.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Years from now. Yeah, that's that's birthday was twenty thirty five.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But now, could it be the stupidity of the people
working that we have typos that were even but you
would think the software system wouldn't even allow that to happen.
You would think that the software system I mean, for
people saying how many systems do we use? Right now,
I'm looking at two systems in front of me that
will not allow me to type in incorrect dates if
plainly it is hard.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
To happen or whatever. Yeah, but you and I work
in a private industry. This is the federal government we're
talking about. They might not even have floppy disks yet
at Social Security.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
And we've got Democrats now in CNN actually saying that
we should take the FAA and privatize it.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
What well, as long as one of their guys running it.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Exactly, I would suppose the Hunter Biden land a gig
on the board of some kind of software industry somewhere.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You know, we talked off the air about this that
Elon Musk made a statement last week that he thought
that within the next five years most of the good
surgeons will be replaced, and within eight years all surgeons,
the greatest of the great, will be replaced by robots
and AI.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
If this is one of the great benefits of having
five g and that we could have surgeons here remotely
located who could do surgeries on the battlefield in Afghanistan
or wherever, because they would hook it up to a computer,
and at that point it was still a human doing
the actual surgery, but it was able to use technology
where you could do it remotely.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But if that's true, if they can within eight years,
and I don't know that it is or it isn't,
but or in five years they can get most of
the surgeons replaced, see to me, I don't. I can't.
My brain can't figure out, well, what happens to the
surgeons because they are obviously high dollar earners and the
and when they are no longer high dollar earners, that

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would have to have an effect on their community. I
would think they're no longer buying sports cars, they're no
longer taking vacations, they're no longer doing whatever. But we
have a how many people short?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Are we?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Like one hundred and fifty thousand air traffic controllers short?
Shouldn't that be what we're using the AI to try
to fix now?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And you would imagine that since they've done everything they
can to expedite the process not only for the class
work or graduate work, college work, but also then for
the experience, because you got it, you can't just put
them in the box you've got to help grow them
up because it's a very pressure filled job. So it's
not only just dealing with the logistics of it, it's

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dealing with the personnel of it, which then brings you
to well, that'd be a great place for AI to
take over. But you're right, you would think that, and
I would think that Sean Duffy, who is claiming on
Thursday they're going to roll out this brand new plan
that he would have picked up the phone and go, hey,
can you get me big balls over here?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
So big balls that.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Come out and he'll roll out exactly what Kelly describes,
which is all computerized because it's all radar systems and
proximity and then clearance allowances and traffic coming in. It's
all kind of a computer process. It's just that we've
always then kind of relied on the man sitting in

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the seat who was making the call and talking to
these pilots to make sure they don't bump into each
other or a crossover in each other's airspace. Well, at
the same time, now we have outrage over the fact
that we had another close call with a helicopter because
some VIP and that's all we know. The person to
be could have been a one star general, could have
been Pete Headseth. We don't know, but some VIP wanted

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to take a tourism route around DC very close to
the same airport where we had the crash.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Well, I don't know, there's a lot wrong with the country.
Donald Trump is doing the best he can. I think
he's got some great people in place, and the Democrats
are fighting every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's how it's going to affect South Carolina's National Guard.
But Pete Hegseth did roll out some new I guess
parameters for leadership positions, generals and the like, in particular
with the National Guard. So we're going to see some
people cut back there as well.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well, I know Pete Hegseth is excited about Donald Trump's
announcement that really came out full force on Sunday about
having a particularly a parade for the United States Army
on June fourteenth, which is their two hundred and fiftieth
birthday in Washington, d C. And suddenly the Democrats all
day yesterday on television went complete doze on us. Do

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you know what that's going to cost? The upwards of
forty million dollars to have this parade, and then I
want you to know that it's coming from the training
budgets of each one of the branches, most particularly the Army,
so on and so forth. Donald Trump said, it's only
peanuts to what it's worth. And I think that it's
valuable to recognize that military morale is down, military enrollments

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are down. People, and we're getting a smaller and smaller
group of people who graduate from high school every year
who are actually eligible to be in the military because
they're mentally unstable. Many of them are struggling with suicidal thoughts.
You can't give this personal rifle, they can't enter the military,
so they're eliminated. And this is like literally a thousand

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times more for a high school graduate today than there
was in the eighties. At the same time, we have
a massive obesity problem. So it's like, of the high
school graduates, it's only like two percent are eligible to
even think of enlisting. Of those, it's a smaller and
smaller percentage because they see the TikTok videos the last

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several years with the transgendered military members and they're like,
I don't want to be a part of this. So
Donald Trump is trying to build morale and get the
enrollment up with the better quality of people, the highest
quality of people. And I looked it up this morning.
The US Navy budgeted one hundred and seventy one million

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dollars in nineteen eighty five in order to be a
part of the first ever Top Gun. They budgeted one
hundred and seventy one million dollars because they said the
morale of the Navy was low, we need to build
it up. One hundred and seventy one million again forty
years ago, and look what Top Gun did. Top Gun
not only built the morale up of the of the military,

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it made America proud and enrollments went up eight percent
that next year. So a forty million dollar parade is
peanuts and has the possibility of really helping to boostart
And now, if we're looking to save money, which I
always am, I think better quality people means you can

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spend less money. You don't need as many of them.
But what is the word you.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Like to use?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Lethality? We're not lethal, we're soft. Toughen it up, brother.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, Well he's on a tirade to toughen it up,
and we're cutting out the duplication and the leadership.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Let's do it, and let's get rid of like generals
like Mark Milly.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Before we get out of here, we got to talk
about the uncivilized parts of South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Did you know that there was an uncivilized what does
he called the last bastion of civilization or something?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Coming up?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
In just a second, San Tea may soon be home
to South Carolina's first casino. The headline baits you with
that one in the Bursting Courier. The fight involves the
Kataba tribe and a GOP donor. They love making sure
everybody knows that the Swalla Sheaves and I'm not sure
if I'm saying his name correctly is an Upstate billionaire,
a casino developer. He's got a long history with working

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with the Kataba Indians. But he's a Republican mega donor.
And we'll make sure that you understand that he's not
He's not in aut it.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, the story talks about how he's spreading the
money around right now amongst Republicans in order to try
to win their favor in order to build out this
casino exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
And it's not like this is his first rodeo. I mean,
he's been working with the Kataba Indians in more than
one location and it has a long history with them. Now,
the thing that apparently has changed in his relationship with
the Kataba tribe has been the changing of the new
chief because in twenty twenty three, that's when you saw
Brian Harris become the chief for the Kataba Indian tribe.

(26:34):
Now his job is to make sure that he facilitates
the wants, needs and desires in a better future for
the tribe members.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, if I understand the story right, the Katabas already
had built like a decade or maybe twenty years ago.
They built a high stakes bingo thing in rock Hill
and then decided they wanted to have it in Myrtle Beach.
That fell apart.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
They said, Myrtle Beach, I forget it, we don't want it.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
So then they tried to do it in North Charleston,
and then they tried to do it in Columbia. All
of those things have been destroyed. They never got those
really off the ground, and they were working with chiefs
at that time. Chiefs then said let's move to North Carolina.
I think I got a little more pull with the
Republicans up there. So they went to Raleigh and went

(27:21):
over their state house, and then they were able to
open a casino which is now almost completely open, is
not quite open yet up somewhere outside of Charlotte. And
so then once it got opened or is about to open,
they basically kicked them out, so that he came back
to South Carolina. He did all the heavy lifted to

(27:42):
get it open up there. And apparently, according to some
of the people who work here, like Brad Huddo, he's
talked to the Katabas before and they said, look, we're
really focused on North Carolina. We have no opportunities in
South Carolina for a while. So Chiefs comes in and says,
I want to open this thing o the property now
at the former outlet centers there in Santy, I'd like

(28:04):
to build a casino there. I'm gonna bring in a
lot of jobs. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's a billion dollars here.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
So and like you said, he's invested the money with
the Republicans. The Republicans will take your money and vote
the right way.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And he's not asking for any tax incentives. But now
though he has to have the legislation.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, the new chief says, no surrebop. That's my that's
my rights, it's our domain. Only we get to have casinos.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Now because under state law, it's the Katapa Indian tribe
that has the availability previously passed legislation and allows us
to run gaming.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
But did I wasn't here in nineteen ninety three, and
I doubt that you would remember what they said in
nineteen ninety three. But when I read it here, it
sounds like they won the right in nineteen ninety act.
The dispute was resolved with the nineteen ninety three Kataba
Indian Tribe of South Carolina Land Claims Settlement Act. In
the addition to the promise of four thousand acres of land,
the agreement would have permitted the tribe to have legalized

(29:03):
games of chance, subject to state legislation. So, but it
doesn't say in there that you're the only ones who
have games of chance.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, But it's the only agreement in place. But so
it has written specifically to the Katabi Indian tribe.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
But I'm saying it doesn't give you a lifetime of
guarantees that you're the only ones who are going to
ever have gambling in South Carolina. It says you're the
first an agreement with you, and you took advantage of
it when you opened your high stakes Bengo Hall and
rock Hill. You did do something with it. And then
again it's it's pursuant to this state approving anything. So

(29:40):
the state shot down Myrtle Beach, North Charleston and Columbia.
But here we are, what is it nineteen ninety three,
We're thirty two years down the road and this guy
is saying, okay, I own this piece of property, could
be could be worth your while. And here comes the
chief and he's like, no, Sereba, only we get it.

(30:00):
I don't think that that's the right interpretation.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
No, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's going to be interesting to see two things. A.
How are you going to deal with the Kataba Indians
whether you reomy currently have in place? B Are you
going to be able to get legislation that allows it
to open it up outside of the Kataba Indians or
other any entity at all to allow Wallace chiefs to
come in and do this deal straight up or get
the availability of doing it, because you can have to

(30:24):
change the legislation. Certainly, you may end up, because of
the state constitution, actually going in deeper than that to
be able to get your one billion dollar casino built.
But when you start throwing down around a billion dollars
in what is we know as the Corridor of Shame,
then suddenly you get a lot of legislator's interest. And
as we pointed out before, these guys come cheaper than

(30:46):
you would imagine. So it's not like you got to
spend a whole lot of money over there at the
general as somebody to get enough support.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
You know. It's it's interesting to me, and I don't
mean to come off as insensitive, but tradition usually whoever
loses a battle or whatever a war, I should say,
that's the end of you. That's the that is that
that property now goes to the wind the spoils of war,

(31:17):
which would be the land and the treasure, if there's any,
that goes to the victor. Here in the United States,
we continue to try to make amends. I don't know why,
for for for taking somebody's land. Are we still trying
to accommodate the Mexicans because we took Texas and we

(31:37):
took California from them? No, I don't think we really
give a crap. And if they try to make a
big deal about it, you fought and you lost. So
I mean, it's the Israelis with the you know, the Palestinians.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Two state solution doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
They are it's this this, the Kataba Indians. How many
people are in there? And this guy who's the chief.
What's his name again?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Not a large Harris, Brian Harris.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I mean Brian Harris, not to be confused.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
With the assistant chief whose lass name is also Harris,
which makes a little difficult in reading the story.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Is Harris one of the rich Kataba Indian names? It
doesn't seem like that would be an Indian name. He
looks whiter than me.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
He doesn't look like Eli Cody, the guy I grew
up watching Shed Setteer because of the trash on the
side of the interstate. So it's not like, is that
kind of Indian? Okay, we're talking about modernized Indians, and
there are many people in South Carolina who have Kataba
Indian blood in them because of the tribe was so prominent.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Way back in the day.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Brian Harris could be the younger brother of Elizabeth Warren. Yes,
is that his relation to the Katabas. He might he
might have a little more Kataba blood than Pocahontas, as
we know what her twenty three of me showed up as.
But I again, I just don't understand why the state
still or the whatever. I get the fact that they

(33:00):
had this land, this was their land. They were based
in rock Hill, and that was a great thing at
that time. I know smallpox did a number on them.
I get all of that. There was obviously a bunch
of battles, yes, cowboys and Indians. But it's over. It's
been over.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, And I'm not going to speak directly to the
history of the tribe at the Kataba Indians or the
Saluta Indians or any other Indians that were indigenous to
this area now known as the state of South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I will say that South Carolina has only one federally
recognized tribe, which is the Katabas. So I don't know
if they were in Saluta, was that the Katabas or
is it a different Indian tribe, But that's the only
one that gets recognized.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
But the history, to my knowledge, the history of the
Kataba Indians with persons who had to come here from
Europe was a little more friendly than it was like
in the West when you were dealing with the Creeks
and a bunch of Indian tribes who were having none
of it, and that ended up being a battle to
the death. Pointed out most of them died.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And I mean we're talking about stuff that happened in
the seventeen hundreds for the most part. And you know,
the US has been very accommodating as best they can.
But I would argue also Indian reservations worst thing that's
ever happened to the Indians.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I mean, you've every documentary I've seen and I haven't
seen it. I haven't seen any of these from the Catabas.
I probably should come up. Any of the documentaries that
you see typically is what you would imagine from a
humanistic any human I don't care what your twenty three
of me report says about you. When you set it
up so that persons are going to be set up

(34:37):
for life on the government doll it takes away all
the motivation of your life. Why try to be better?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Look at the alcoholism rates just alone in those types
of places, and then you know, I know there's going
to be the pushback of well, what about the traditions.
You got to save the heritage, you got to.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Do all that.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Look, okay, I am half. I'm a quarter Italian, probably
about a quarter in England in about half or so Irish.
I carry none of those traditions with me. I know
nothing about the Irish, the Italians, or the British, and
I don't want to. I want to be an American

(35:13):
and that's the only way you can thrive in the
land in which you choose. And my knowing the traditions
doesn't make for a richer, fuller American experience me assimilating.
My grandfather moved here as a baby and was told
by his parents, you better not speak Italian now. They
told him that an Italian because they didn't know English.

(35:33):
They struggled and fought like hell to try to learn
English before they died. But he native tongue was Italian.
He never had an Italian accent. When I spoke with
my grandfather, it's not like it was broken English. It
wasn't like he was like, and you better not learn it.
I want you to be an American. I don't want
you to be Italian American. I don't want you to

(35:54):
be English American. I want you to be American American.
That's the best way to thrive.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Well.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And again, to be clear, I do not know nearly
as much as I should, and I will effort to
learn more about the history of the Kataba Indians. But
we're talking about the I ninety five corridor where we
mentioned earlier it was described as a small out san Tea,
which to my knowledge is sanity. The only reason I
ever knew it existed is because that's where the best

(36:22):
fishing was for Largemouth past. San Tea, a small outpost
of civilization on the shores of Lake Marion.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's a hysterical description.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
So he's kind of point out there's nothing there. I mean,
he wants to be to come in and spend a
billion dollars. And if you never Google search shops at
San Tea outlet, google search that video. There's a couple
out there on YouTube where people just took a video
camera and took you through.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
There, like the ghost town.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Oh yeah, the di O remnants of the outlet mall.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I feel like that was open when I moved here,
though when did the malls?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
You know, I don't know where you were.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
It closed I moved here in three and I feel
like it was a thing still.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So the one thing that hasn't changed in history and
any of this article is that the dollar is what's
going to drive this story. So you've got an opportunity
South Carolina to see a billion dollars being spent by
one man who does not ask for any tax incentives.
He's not asking for jack squat other than the availability

(37:23):
of using property he owns to build a one billion
dollar casino.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
By the way, I just I'll be on the record,
I'm against it. I don't. I don't. I don't want
the casino. I understand what he's trying to do. I
certainly don't. I also don't agree though, with the Kataba
Indians that it should be their right alone. He paid
for the land, you didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And the other thing is this guy claims he wants
to build the Orangeburg County equivalent of BMW. That's not
even a close correlation between BMW one a casino. No,
I'm sorry, No, that's not even close.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I understand what he's trying to Look, it's great spend
because BMW employs a lot of people. Well, now he's
not talking about employing like the amount of people that
BMW is he's talking about a thousand people. They got
like four thousand up in North Carolina. But a billion
dollars is a lot to invest. And I'm sure that
the people of Sante, even those who were opposed to it,

(38:16):
would benefit from it, right Like you would have to
think that a big, fat casino would attract a lot
of people. I'm guessing I don't even know anymore, because
there's so gambling is so abundant in today's era, whether
it's on an app or if you want the thrill
of being in person, it's cheap flights to Vegas. Atlantic

(38:36):
Cities is a ghost town.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I mean, Jim, do we even talk here and talk
about it today? I heard him talk about it yesterday.
Here's Donald Trump, the man who's going to negotiate all
these business deals with the tariffs, and he's already been
filed for bankruptcy six times. He can't even make money,
Reverend now Sharpton said this, He couldn't even make money
running a casino where we all know the house always wins.
He said that on Sunday, Reverend.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
He's made a lot of money due he can make
his money again. It's called fleecing. Oh okay, he's a
great fleecer. Let me just speak for the lambs for
a moment. Okay, we're still screaming. Can Calarie hear us
still screaming? The fleecing continues.