05 14 25 We talk to Sheriff Leon Lott

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan, they're saying, like, oh, well,
this guy, you know, he's a criminal. No one person
gets to decide that you're a criminal, Kelly Nash. We
have a process, we have laws.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
You're not a criminal because the head of the government
of the country you live in says you're a criminal.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, WOC.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I remember when I first said out loud, I wish
we'd get quit giving Jasmine Crockett so much oxygen. Just
don't play any of her stupid comments. And then I've
forgotten who said on television that their theme for twenty
twenty six was let her speak, let her, let AOC speak,
let them speak, and broadcast it twenty four hours a day,

(00:44):
the same thing. I have now come around to that
thought process as well, and I agree with it, let
mayor Pete speak, let them all speak. As much as
the American people are not buying into the fact that
Donald Trump superseded the law. This guy been through the
process twice. He didn't do the process twice, and they're

(01:06):
still fighting to bring what Garcia back.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Ah, well, you know you and I laugh, and we
you know, yuck. It up over the fact that Americans
don't believe it. Americans didn't believe Kamala Harris. According to
the exit polling, seventy five percent of the people who
voted for Kamala Harris didn't believe her. So they didn't
believe her, and yet she I mean, we can say
that Donald Trump had a big victory, and he did,

(01:31):
but it was by like two million votes, right. Joe
Biden just pointed out on the view a lot more
people turned out for me than turned out for her,
and he wants to blame it on racism and sexism
and all these other things. I would say perhaps Joe
Biden had some ghosts voting for him as well. I
don't know, but either but she still wasn't off by much.

(01:53):
And she is literally one of the worst candidates of
all time. She is scary, and so you know, I
was listening to Ran Paul yesterday, Lord, and Rand Paul
made the point that he's concerned about what Donald Trump's
doing with all these executive orders, because he said, what's
to stop a president AOC from declaring a climate emergency

(02:15):
and immediately banning all gas running vehicles, all of them?
She could do it if she's the president of the
United States and say twenty thirty five or whatever, she
could just say a climate emergency. We've been warning you
and warning you, and now it's here. Donald Trump says,
we've got a border surge. That's an emergency, and now
I have the powers to do this, that and the

(02:36):
other thing. And you know you can't.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Trump umped the Andy a little bit. But it wasn't
like if Trump hadn't done that, she couldn't do the
same thing still because she could have because plainly is
allowed through the Oval Office and the availability. But it
fascinates me how and we talked to Ralph Norman about this.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
There are a lot of.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Things that we've been able to get through executive orders.
It could be overturned like that, just like the same
thing happened when Trump came in after Biden. But it
has to be codified into law. And that's why Congress
has really got to get a lot of things done.
And we're dragging our feet way too much on the
congressional side of that third third entity of government.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, you know, I think that there's a lot at
this point. I don't even know if Mike Johnson knows
all the things that have been put into the Big
Beautiful Bill. The Big Beautiful Bill is really everything that
sounds like yeah, the Big Beautiful Bill. It's like yeah, now,
I think because otherwise if Trump wasn't happy with what

(03:37):
Congress was doing, he's not bashful. He'll tell you. A
lot of political commentators are the ones that are saying
Congress has only passed what five bills this year, They've
got to do a lot more to codify everything that
Trump's doing, and so on and so forth. But really,
I think Trump is just putting everything into that big
beautiful bill, and if he can get that passed, well,

(03:57):
they want to do it like by the end of
the summer, right, Yes, that's the goal is getting done
like in July or something. If he can do that.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I wanted to get Memorial Day, but they had to
push you back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
After that is when Trump would then start dictating to
Mike Johnson, you need to do this, you need to
do that. I think Trump thinks everything's going swimmingly right.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
They do have a lot of the things that we're
hoping well, we don't see the finalized bill yet, but
a lot of the Doze efforts, in particular having to
do with the way that we do our a budgeting process.
So we got to get back down to a zero
sum budget line, so for these agencies can't run wild,
not only in the future under an AOC or whoever,
but even under a Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I believe that if I'm guessing now, and it's really
tough to put yourself into the mind of Donald Trump
because he's the only one who thinks like he thinks,
but I'm guessing that the reason he's not pushing Mike
Johnson to do more is because he feels like there's
an opportunity for Democrats and even some interesting re Republicans.

(05:00):
I don't even if they're rhinos, they're just obstructionists, some
of them that they would use this moment to grant
stand slow down the process, and what if they came
back against whatever he was pushing. In the meantime, I
can get it done, let it ride for like a year,
year and a half, and then we'll jam it, you know,

(05:21):
get the votes going in twenty twenty six before the
mid terms. I'm sure thinking that might be his plan,
but again, he's never said.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Anything like that.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
If you can get his task cuts reinstated or keep
them from evaporating, and then get some of the items
we don't even know. Again, it's so ballbus now, I
like the big bulbous bill. Big balbus bill has got
so much in we don't even know what's in there.
We have to get the thing like a penata. Once
it gets voted on, just see what the hell falls out.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
We have to pass it to read it exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Because we don't even know. Because you're right, you got
to hit the sweet spot. There's gonna be a lot
of give and take in there to get the Democrats
to come along enough. And I guess the reconciliation you
don't have to have as many, but you do have
the obstructionists in the Rhinos who have their pet projects
and whatever.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But there's a lot of different things that are coming
out as we continue to hear more, not only from
the Biden administration. They we're gonna have to put it.
They were talking about they're gonna get a wheelchair. We're
gonna bring back FDRs fifth term? Is that what we're
gonna do here for the If he won re election,
that would be fun, so fun. All right? Anyway, there
he is. Now we've got to open the door, Nas
Welcome in the studio originally NNY Sheriff Leon Lie. Good

(06:27):
to see you.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Great to be with y'all again. Let me rephrase, y'all
got all these pink on today. Y'all should have gave
me a call and tell me what to weary' is
the pink out day?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, mine is, Simon just to be.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Minus pink, two different shades of pink. I'm gonna rephrase,
is this true real man can wear pink? John John
questioning whether I'm a real man right to my face, Jonathan,
You maybe I don't know about that thing that he's
got on. Come in. He is good to see if

(07:00):
y'all dressed in pink today, y'all are pretty in pink.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Pretty. I want to rephrase my statement, I'm glad to
see you smiling, because the last time I saw you,
you were doing a press conference and you were none
too happy.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
No, I hadn't been happy with these hoodlums, and I
called them hoodlums. People said, I tell you, look up
to what the hudlum means. So people know, yeah, well,
just see young people run around here with guns, just
shooting like crazy, and we're locking them up. I mean
we're locking up right and left. Clembia Place mall had
a shooting. We've arrested to there so far rested a mom,

(07:33):
got another mother for she was an accessory, accessory after
the fact, after the fact, involved in what was going
on with her son. So I mean we got away,
what does she do. She was very aware of what
he was doing and condone what they were doing, and

(07:54):
assisted in what they were doing and lied to the
police and so yeah, so she contribute. She was not
a mom. She's just and her two sons. You know,
every now and then we'll have a couple sons like
this that just are just hoodlums who run wild. These
two have been that way. They have been nothing but
stealing cars, shooting at people. They've been doing this for

(08:17):
years and mom just let them go right on and
do it. So the sixteen year old we arrested the
other day, her nineteen year old were still looking for him,
looking for two more that were involved in it too.
But we've made two arrests. We're actual shooters at the mall.
We've made two arrests there and the mom. So we
did that one. Then we also had the shootings in

(08:40):
Blthewood where I called it to shoot out Okay Corral,
but it was in BLFE Wood instead of Okay Corral.
You know, over seventy something bullet shot and we've made
some more arrest on that and were continuing to work
that and showed another video, showed two videos. Showed one
of the nineteen year old that we're looking at with
him and the gun in his hand at the gas
station extended magazine, just shooting bullets. Then showed in Blackwood

(09:04):
the two guys that were over at the car wash
and how they were just shooting. And you asked ones,
we like, what are you shooting at? I'm just shooting? Well,
who you're shooting at? I'm just shooting. We heard the shots,
we just start shooting. That's the mentality that they got.
And we had the first press conps. I talked about
the person driving the Maserati. You got one, Kelly, No,

(09:32):
we don't have a Maserati. Anyway, we got to be
identified and these are not all these people are people
think they're teenagers. We're talking about people in their twenties
now that are out there too. This individual driving the
Maserati ran over somebody and just kept on going. So
he's charged with hit and run. What's interesting on him

(09:53):
is that he was recently charged also with attempted murder
and plied down to a lesser charge and nothing happened
to him, so he's back at it. So it's just
it's yeah. The frustrating part is that we do our part.
We go out here and we work, work the butts off.
We work with the community and they help us get

(10:14):
these people identified, We make charges on them, and nothing happens.
Everybody's out on bond. Everyone of them's out on bond.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
We've talked about this before. Is there something that is
missing in our is it our is it our county government?
Is it our state government?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
What?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
What do we need to change?

Speaker 4 (10:31):
I think the prosecution, you know, I think the judges
actually do a good job, but their hands are tied
extent on what the case is brought before them, on
what the charge has been reduced to, and what recommend
recommendations has been made, and so they you know, once
the prosecutor and defense attorney agreed to that and tell

(10:54):
the the defendant that's what he's gonna get, then the
judge is pretty well obligated to go along with that.
I think that where we fall through the crack is
that these people have got here guns out here in
the community, shooting at people and hitting people, not really
being held accountable for it. They just they're out here
in our community continue to do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You know, a solicitor for our district is an elected position, correct,
You know, we really have to do something about the
people that we got to do something to encourage other
persons to run with this position and then help there
as a community for people to understand these are the
people that are allowing these criminals to plead down to
lesser charges and walk out the door.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean I'm held accountable, you know, if the
crime occurs, then I'm held accountable to do an investigation
and make an arrest. But after that point there's nobody
held accountable. And I just hate to say that's the
way our system is set up. You know, the community
will raise saying if a case goes unsolved by us,
but what happens to it later, then nobody really is

(11:57):
held accountable for that, And things are just able are
just done that people just don't know about.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And you've talked about statistically, the studies not just here
in Richland, County, but nationwide it holds true the amount
of crime is committed by such a small number of
people in the community.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, and those are the ones we need to hammer.
Pretty dag, I'm good and they don't get hammered. I
think our system does everything it can to keep people
from going to prison.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
If you could pick out five hundred people right now
in Ridgeland County and put them in jail, what do
you think the crimry would get there?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
It wouldn't have to be five hundred. I can pick
less than one hundred, and that would probably reduce our
crime by seventy five percent.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Wow, seventy five percent every one.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I could pick one hundred people that we know out
here are habitual criminals and take them off the street,
and you'd see a tremendous drop.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
And can we try like a ninety day test of that, Like,
we're just gonna put these guys in jail for ninety days.
Let's just see what happens. It'll be the summer of
peace in Richland County.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Actually propose something like that to the court system, is
that let's hammer those that are the worst of the worst, Yeah,
and get them moved through the court system. As fast
as we can and don't give them any negotiated deal.
It ain't happened. Chief Holbrooke and I that's something that

(13:20):
we've been pushing for for a long time. It's just
it's not happened. We're only one part of the criminal
justice system. We're the part who puts the lots of
people up after an investigation, but we don't have anything
to do with what happens afterwards.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And we love to hear people, not just in the church,
but people in the legislative position talk about how you
can't judge someone for one act. So what if we
just have brought back the three strikes and you're out
and change it a little bit so the third time
you're charged with something, you can't plea down to nothing.
You got to go before because if the solicitor and
the prosecutor make a deal, the judge's hands are tied

(13:55):
before it even gets to his bench. Correct.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, but most of your mandatory sentencing now has just
went away. Nothing exists, the three strikes, it's not enforced anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I've heard from you so far that teenagers who were
armed on the streets who shouldn't be because they plead
down to a lesser charge in a previous offense. If
I happened to be across the street at a gas station,
I could be shot and killed or remember my family.
Because the teenager who pulled the gun wasn't even shooting
at anyone, he was just shooting.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Right and Columbia miles shooting the individuals that one of
the individuals shot was just a shopper who was walking
down the mall, uh and the bullet came and hit him.
The video that's really screamed at people. Who was the
mom who had the child in the stroller who got
caught in the crossfire, and how she knocked that stroller

(14:49):
over and grabbed that baby and covered that baby up.
She was caught in between the bullets.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Just almost like a scene out of the Untouchables.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Right, And it's you know, and I've said this every present,
it's something about a grace of God that we haven't
had so many people killed. I mean, there was over
twenty something rounds fired in Columbia play Small, over seventy
in Blifewood, and we didn't have anybody killed. Now we've
got people whose lives will never be the same again.
Sure you know that. Fortunately that baby, some little baby

(15:16):
will never remember that. Mom will always remember the man
walking down the mall who got shot, who was minding
his own business. You know, he'll never forget it. The
people in Blackwood, all those two hundred kids you've seen running,
they're gonna be scarred for life over that.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know, as we look at how it seemingly the
laws do, in fact, unfortunately fulfill their prophecy is criminal justice,
because the criminals are getting too much justice. Now, we've had,
as one of your press conferences, not only indicated, but
for twenty eight minutes, if I remember correctly, which is
a long press conference for me, I don't talk that long, agow.
I can tell you were very upset just by seeing

(15:53):
how long the press conference was. We have now persons
who work inside the defense side of these criminal justice
who these attorneys who are claiming that your department is
misrepresenting what actually happens during an investigation. And you have
people who are being detained or held otherwise who should
not be and were totally innocent of all charges.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, we had an attorney just flat out lie, just
flat out lie on accusations against one of my investigators.
And I usually don't respond to that, but this one
was just so egregious I had to. So we filed
a countersuit, which we've never done before. You've never done this,
We've never done this before. We sued them back. You
told lies on me. Let's go to court and you
prove your side, and I'm going to prove my side.

(16:38):
And so I had a press conference to talk about
that and pointed it out. This was a this was
a child molester. This was an illegal person in the
United States. He's been here for twenty years, he's been
on the run for twenty years. He's been accused of
child molesting before his own family, and here we get him,
we arrest him, and the defense attorney claims, well, your

(17:03):
investigator who speaks Spanish, and he speaks Spanish, he didn't
do this. It's right there. Videos shows it. It's right there.
But his charges get dismissed by the Solicitor's office prosecutional discretion.
They get dismissed. He's a child molester who and I
said this, God does not like child molesters. So this

(17:27):
gentleman has cancer, who's probably not going to be here
much longer due to his cancer. So what the criminal
justice system did not do to him. I think God's
going to take care of it. So there's a special
place in hell for child molesters. But an attorney just
got up and had a press conference, got a lot
of free publicity, didn't have to buy commercial on TV,
didn't have to put a billboard up. He got a
lot of free publicity by accusing us of framing his client,

(17:52):
which was an absolute lie. And so I responded to it,
and we countersuit them, So we'll go to court.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Can I ask, like Byron Gibson or is it Brian.
I forget Byron. He is the solicitor in Richmond County,
And I go to his website here and you can
all see it at sc solicitor five dot org. And
he's talking. It appears that what he's bragging about on
his website is the amount of quote twenty twenty four

(18:23):
successful diversion programs. And so they're bragging about the fact
that thousands of these people either didn't go to jail
or pled into some sort of program where they were educated,
which seems to be the opposite of what he should
be bragging about. Like on this page, I only see

(18:43):
literally it's like ten verdicts that he's proud of. The
rest of them are plea deals and they negotiated out.
Is this something where you, as the sheriff have the
opportunity to help promote somebody else who would be running
against it? Because Jonathan mentioned it's an elected position. If
the police are not happy with what's happening, can't they

(19:05):
take an active role in helping to get somebody in
that position who will actually prosecute people They can and
will you they can? Twenty six? Is he up in
twenty twenty six?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Is an election in twenty twenty six?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Okay, well, there you go, full court press time.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know, you mentioned someone a minute ago. And one
of the things that I'm fascinated about is not only
your ability to be a law enforcement officer, but I
guess because of that experience, you have a great grip
on society and the Morey's. It seems that I've never
been to prison, Thank God, I don't want to get it,
but I was always I always heard that even in prison,

(19:41):
child molesters were the worst. But it seems like over
the past decade or so, we've made it so much
easier for persons to kind of you know, carve out
a little place in society because they happen to be
a minor attracted person or you know, we're coming up
with ways to couch this so that they are not
a victim of the law. And you know, if they
happen to victimize of someone else, I mean that happens

(20:04):
all the time.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
But are prisons still the same way or is it
now filled? They haven't changed. Prison has not changed. Shyle
molesters or probably the lowest things in prison. There so
the only punishment there's justice. There's justice in the prison system.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
If you finally get them in prison, you get some
kind of justice up.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
And I think I'm gonna throw up the next time
I hear that a defense attorney or somebody gets up
in front of a judge and says, judge, you know
how bad Alvin ESK Glynn Detention Center is and and
you know, we don't need to send these people to
AVENESK Glenn because it's terrible. You know how you keep
from going to Alvin S Glenn. Don't commit a crime,
do not break the law. You will not go to

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Alvin S Glenn.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You know why Alvin S Glenn is so terrible because
it's filled with criminals.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Who was Alvin S. Glenn.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
He was He was a detention center officer that was
murdered by inmates who tried to escape. They choked him
to death one Sunday night and tried to escape.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
So he probably thinks the detention center is probably even
too good.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
For these people. Yeah, and they and the name of
the detention center after him. I mean, it was it
was a tragedy night, remember it very well going out
and how they tried to They choked him out, three
of them did, and then tried to escape. None of
them was successful.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
And so when you call these people monsters or animals,
people like you're dehumanizing them, but that the reality is
they are behaving like animals.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
And that's that's what they act like. And that's a
choice that they make. And in a society did it
to them. They had a terrible upbringing, they did that.
But I've seen so many young people who grew up
in single parent families who had all kinds of challenges
in life, but they made good decisions. They didn't resort
to crime. That is a choice you make. Yes, life

(21:52):
may be tougher some people than it is others. But
there is choices you can make that where you can
be successful in life. Nobody forces you to be a criminal.
Why I got to steal and rob and survive. Get
you can do you can go get a job, you
can do there's other things that you can do well.
You know, I can't do good in school. I mean

(22:15):
it's tough. We've got some kids who sleep in a
bathtub because that's the safest place. But I've seen those
kids be successful because they put their mind to it.
And I've seen these parents be successful. Who's had to
work three jobs just to support a family and survive,
but they were still that parent who taught to children
right from wrong and was there for them and knew

(22:37):
where they were at. So life is very tough for
some people. But that doesn't mean you got to be
a criminal, and then you shouldn't be rewarded because your
life was tough and you became a criminal and you
hurt somebody or you molest a child, and you go
he had a terrible upbringing.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Most people listening to this podcast are probably thinking in themselves.
If you're listening to the cast, that you're plugged into
your community or at least your state, and we need
to make sure that we do everything we can to
reach out to people who are just you know, isn't
it amazing how many people don't know what's going on
with the representatives of the General Assembly. They don't know
what's going on to county council, they know what's going
on with a city council. They don't know anything. They

(23:17):
just live their lives, and I get it. It's very
frustrating and trying to be a part of something. But
if unless we get a wave of people who actually
stand up and apply the community standards and allow the
sheriff and other law enforcement agencies wherever you live, to
be able to put not only put pressure on, but
then get out and vote to make sure we have
solicitors who are not going to plead down these cases

(23:37):
because what's happening is correct me if I'm wrong here.
We have a group of people that are being coddled
because of the way that we manipulate the law or
the solicitor allows and the plead down. Those people feed
money into the pond on not pond dealers, the bond
what do you call them, bondsmen? So the bondsmen to
make it a ton of frigging money. Now, where do
you think that money comes from? More criminal activity? The

(23:58):
bondsmen are probably the ones that are pumping all the
money into the political campaigns for the solicitors who were
listening to then the persons that they are working with
across the aisle to make sure we get these people
back out because that's the protected group, because it all
evolves around a dollar. Am I wrong on that?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Now? You very right on every bit of what you
just said.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So, and we have a money printing industry inside law
enforcement that allows us to be able to go pump
gas on a Tuesday morning and get shot from some
teenager across the street who wasn't shooting into anything because
he's out on a plea deal and his bondsman set
him up and he's got to be out there, and
because somebody shot of him, he just starts spraying bullets.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Correct. But I will say this that I have seen
a wave that you're talking about recently. Then it started
in January when I announced we were going to hold
parents accountable. I've seen a wave of support and people
thought I was crazy for doing it and that people
would just criticize me to it's been absolutely the opposite.

(25:01):
I think and what I hear from wherever I go.
You're doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing.
Time we heal parents accountable. That is the wave that
I've seen, because people are fed up with just like
you all, you said, you're fed up with this. People
are fed up from being victimized and these young people
running around here is continually committing crimes and nothing happened,

(25:25):
and people are sick of it. Regular good citizens are
sick of it, and you know, they're held accountable for
what they do and they see these parents need So
I have seen that wave. So there's a lot of
negative stuff, but there's also positive that. The positiveiff is
people are starting to have their voice get loud and
louder because they're tired of it, sick of it.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
President Trump said we're in the Golden era, but I
think we're actually into the common sense era, and this
is part of it. And the good news, you know,
just because we don't want to just be all doom
and gloom here, you're getting an award. I guess as
we record this this morning, it's probably coming up a
little bit later on today, and it's a sheriff lot
exhibits a rare combination of courage and leadership. Consistently putting

(26:05):
the needs of the community first inspires the department to
serve with dedication and honor. This is the founder of
something called Jack's Pack, which honors individuals who embody the
spirit of courage, kindness, and unwavering support. That's you, sir, Now,
that's us. That's I may have my name on it,
but that's us. That's the Richmond County Sheriff's Department. That's

(26:28):
what we stand for. You know, we live by I
guess our mission statement of one word is care, which
is being compassionate, accountable, respectful, and excellence.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's that. That is the cornerstone of everything that we
do within the department and outside of the apartment. So
that's the war that goes to the whole Sheriff's Department,
because yeah, we're one big team. We're one big team there.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, I'm glad to know that you're going to start
launching lawsuits and take it. Take these guys to corporate that.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
It's never happened before.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
For it was fascinating. I thought the most fascinating part
of that conference was when one of the reporters asked
you about another statement that had been made by a
different attorney, and you said, I hadn't even heard that one,
but give me the information. Will sue him too. I
love it. You can't just walk out and make these
statements about an investigator and then allow that to what

(27:21):
It's fascinating to me how we continue to allow this
type of manipulation of the law.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
You can write anything in a lawsuit that doesn't have
and it doesn't have to be factual. You can put
everything you want to make up. You can put in
there in that lawsuit, and then when it gets through court,
it all gets thrown out. But these lawyers have learned that. Okay, well,
I can follow all these outrageous things to call the
media up, give it to the media, and the media

(27:49):
is going they're gonna print it. They're gonna print it.
But then when it gets thrown out, there's no printing
on it then because all people know is what they
initially heard. And so you know, these lawyers used that
as a way to get free publicity, and this this
one did and I called him on it. He told
the media that he would have a response. That was

(28:10):
over a week ago. Two weeks now, two weeks hadn't
had a response yet.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Thank gefinitely a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Thank you for geting care

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Thank you, thank you for allowing me to be on
this show with your listeners.